From mhartle at nfb.org Thu Jul 1 00:16:27 2010 From: mhartle at nfb.org (Hartle, Mary Jo) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:16:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder for Youth Attending National Convention Message-ID: For all youth who will be attending National Convention ages 14-18 . don't forget about the NFB Youth Track "Best Throw Back Party Ever" on Tuesday. This will be held in the Metropolitan Ballroom, Tower Mezzanine from 7-10 p.m. Don't forget to pack your favorite digs from your favorite decade to wear that night. Prizes will be given to the "Best dressed!" The evening will be filled with games from the past, contests, and classic pop culture trivia. See you there! Mary Jo T. Hartle Mary Jo Thorpe-Hartle, MEd, NOMC Director of Education Jernigan Institute NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND 200 East Wells Street Baltimore, MD 21230 Phone: (410)659-9314 ext. 2407 Email: mhartle at nfb.org Fax: (410) 659-5129 Visit www.nfb.org From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 00:28:14 2010 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:28:14 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Inaccessible Technology Ruling References: Message-ID: <91A8F2E6-4575-40F3-A324-33F29607A829@gmail.com> Got this off of my nevada list. S This is a ruling from the U. S. Department of Education and the Office for Civil Rights dealing with the Inaccessible Technology used in education. It was framed around the inaccessible Kindle-like technology, however, it is clear OCR's warning is talking about all inaccessible technology used that would deny a student equal access to education. From a posting in the AHEAD Journal (Association on Higher Education And Disability) From: On Behalf Of U. S. Department of Education,Office for Civil Rights Assistant Secretary Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 11:47 AM Subject: Dear College or University President: Electronic Book Readers U.S.Department of Education, Office for Civil Rights Today, the Office for Civil Rights (OCR) in the U.S. Department of Education (Education) issues the attached guidance regarding the obligation of colleges and universities to ensure that students with disabilities have equal access to emerging technologies in education. The letter, a joint guidance from the Departments of Justice and Education, reminds colleges and universities of the legal standards in regard to accessibility, and applies those standards to electronic book readers. The letter states that it is impermissible under federal law for colleges and universities to use electronic book readers or similar technology in a teaching or classroom environment as long as the device remains inaccessible to individuals who are blind or have low vision and reasonable accommodation or modification for this type of technology do not exist or are not available. We encourage you to share the information in this letter widely with your staff. For additional information on the Dear Colleague Letter, visit OCR's website at http://www.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/letters/colleague-20100629.html http://www.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/letters/colleague-20100629.html Dear College or University President: We write to express concern on the part of the Department of Justice and the Department of Education that colleges and universities are using electronic book readers that are not accessible to students who are blind or have low vision and to seek your help in ensuring that this emerging technology is used in classroom settings in a manner that is permissible under federal law. A serious problem with some of these devices is that they lack an accessible text-to-speech function. Requiring use of an emerging technology in a classroom environment when the technology is inaccessible to an entire population of individuals with disabilities -individuals with visual disabilities - is discrimination prohibited by the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA) and Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 (Section 504) unless those individuals are provided accommodations or modifications that permit them to receive all the educational benefits provided by the technology in an equally effective and equally integrated manner. The Departments of Justice and Education share responsibility for protecting the rights of college and university students with disabilities. The Department of Justice is responsible for enforcement and implementation of title III of the ADA, which covers private colleges and universities, and the Departments of Justice and Education both have enforcement authority under title II of the ADA, which covers public universities. In addition, the Department of Education enforces Section 504 with respect to public and private colleges and universities that receive federal financial assistance from the Department of Education. As discussed below, the general requirements of Section 504 and the ADA reach equipment and technological devices when they are used by public entities or places of public accommodation as part of their programs, services, activities, goods, advantages, privileges, or accommodations. Under title III, individuals with disabilities, including students with visual impairments, may not be discriminated against in the full and equal enjoyment of all of the goods and services of private colleges and universities; they must receive an equal opportunity to participate in and benefit from these goods and services; and they must not be provided different or separate goods or services unless doing so is necessary to ensure that access to the goods and services is equally as effective as that provided to others.1 Under title II, qualified individuals with disabilities may not be excluded from participation in or denied the benefits of the services, programs, or activities of, nor subjected to discrimination by, public universities and colleges.2 Both title II and Section 504 prohibit colleges and universities from affording individuals with disabilities with an opportunity to participate in or benefit from college and university aids, benefits, and services that is unequal to the opportunity afforded others. Similarly, individuals with disabilities must be provided with aids, benefits, or services that provide an equal opportunity to achieve the same result or the same level of achievement as others.4 A college or university may provide an individual with a disability, or a class of individuals with disabilities, with a different or separate aid, benefit, or service only if doing so is necessary to ensure that the aid, benefit, or service is as effective as that provided to others.5 The Department of Justice recently entered into settlement agreements with colleges and universities that used the Kindle DX, an inaccessible, electronic book reader, in the classroom as part of a pilot study with Amazon.com, Inc. In summary, the universities agreed not to purchase, require, or recommend use of the Kindle DX, or any other dedicated electronic book reader, unless or until the device is fully accessible to individuals who are blind or have low vision, or the universities provide reasonable accommodation or modification so that a student can acquire the same information, engage in the same interactions, and enjoy the same services as sighted students with substantially equivalent ease of use. The texts of these agreements may be viewed on the Department of Justice's ADA Web site, www.ada.gov. (To find these settlements on www.ada.gov, search for "Kindle.") Consistent with the relief obtained by the Department of Justice in those matters, the Department of Education has also resolved similar complaints against colleges and universities. As officials of the agencies charged with enforcement and interpretation of the ADA and Section 504, we ask that you take steps to ensure that your college or university refrains from requiring the use of any electronic book reader, or other similar technology, in a teaching or classroom environment as long as the device remains inaccessible to individuals who are blind or have low vision. It is unacceptable for universities to use emerging technology without insisting that this technology be accessible to all students. Congress found when enacting the ADA that individuals with disabilities were uniquely disadvantaged in American society in critical areas such as education.6 Providing individuals with disabilities full and equal access to educational opportunities is as essential today as it was when the ADA was passed. In a Proclamation for National Disability Employment Awareness Month, President Obama underscored the need to "strengthen and expand the educational opportunities for individuals with disabilities," noting that, "[i]f we are to build a world free from unnecessary \barriers ... we must ensure that every American receives an education that prepares him or her for future success." http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/presidential-proclamation-national-disabilitv-employment-awareness-month (September 30, 2009) (emphasis added). Technology is the hallmark of the future, and technological competency is essential to preparing all students for future success. Emerging technologies are an educational resource that enhances learning for everyone, and perhaps especially for students with disabilities. Technological innovations have opened a virtual world of commerce, information, and education to many individuals with disabilities for whom access to the physical world remains challenging. Ensuring equal access to emerging technology in university and college classrooms is a means to the goal of full integration and equal educational opportunity for this nation's students with disabilities. With technological advances, procuring electronic book readers that are accessible should be neither costly nor difficult. We would like to work with you to ensure that America's technological advances are used for the benefit of all students. The Department of Justice operates a toll-free, technical assistance line to answer questions with regard to the requirements of federal laws protecting the rights of individuals with disabilities. For technical assistance, please call (800) 514-0301 (voice) or (800) 514-0383 (TTY). Specialists are available Monday through Friday from 9:30 AM until 5:30 PM (ET) except for Thursday, when the hours are 12:30 PM until 5:30 PM. These specialists have been trained specifically to address questions regarding accessible electronic book readers. Colleges, universities, and other stakeholders can also contact the Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights for technical assistance by going to OCR's Web site athttp://wdcrobcolp01.ed.gov/CFAPPS/OCR/contactus.cfm . Thomas Kearns Assistive Technician & ATACP Accessibility Specialist Disability Resource Center Truckee Meadows Community College 7000 Dandini Blvd. (RDMT 315-U) Reno, Nevada 89512 Wk: 775-673-7209 Fax 775-673-7207 Email: tkearns at tmcc.edu CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you believe you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. From m.barber at mchsi.com Thu Jul 1 00:31:48 2010 From: m.barber at mchsi.com (Michael D. Barber) Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 19:31:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Assistive Technology Trainers Division Meeting Agenda Message-ID: Agenda Assistive Technology Trainers division National Federation of the Blind July 5, 2010 6:30--10:00 PM Manchester Room, Tower Mezzanine Hilton Anatole Hotel 6:30 PM; Registration: Outside Manchester Room, $5 fee 7:00 PM; How You Can Use NFB-NEWSLINER: Rene West, NFB-NEWSLINE National Federation of the Blind 7:15 PM; What's New With Bookshare.org: Allison Hillaker, Collection Development Associate 7:25 PM; Never Fear, Windows 7 is hear! Cathyanne Murtha, Access Technology Institute 8:00 PM; Notetakers: A Panel Discussion: Richard Ring, Computer Instructor, Iowa Department for the Blind Adult Orientation Center; Michael Barber, Technology Analyst, Iowa Department for the Blind, 8:35 PM; What's Up, Mac? Earle Harrison, President, Handy Tech North America 9:10 PM; Business Meeting, election of officers and board 10:00 PM: Adjourn From jj at bestmidi.com Thu Jul 1 05:03:57 2010 From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 01:03:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Order your iBill Banknote Identifier for Pickup inDallas References: Message-ID: <5683E485AE2B4C14BF98416BC15AA73C@jage> As an update to this, in addition to iBills, we're also dropping the price on the BCScan Bar Code scanner to $279. You can preorder either of these for pick up in Dallas, or just stop by the booth to see them in action. BCScan allows you to identify over 5 million items from food to DVD's using an online, user-driven database. Plus, there is never a charge for a database update. For more information, please visit http://www.atguys.com See you in Dallas! J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com A premier Code Factory, KNFB Reader, and Sendero distributor ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Andrews" To: Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 11:36 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Order your iBill Banknote Identifier for Pickup inDallas > >>From: "J.J. Meddaugh" >>To: "David Andrews" >>Subject: Order your iBill Banknote Identifier for Pickup in Dallas >>Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 22:10:13 -0400 >> >>A T Guys wants to help you obtain one of the hottest new products of the >>year, the >>iBill Talking Banknote Identifier. If you will be attending the National >>Federation of the Blind convention in Dallas, you can order the iBill now >>and pick it up at >>our booth at convention. Save time and shipping costs by preordering your >>iBill for >>pick up at booth 63. To take advantage of this offer, use coupon code >>Dallas on the >>"Payment Information" screen when you place your online order at >>ATGuys.com. Act >>fast, as a limited number of iBill units are available. >>Go here to preorder your iBill >>http://www.atguys.com >> >>A T Guys >>Your Assistive Technology Experts >>A premier Code Factory, KNFB Reader, and Sendero distributor >>(269) 216-4798 >>http://www.atguys.com > > David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jj%40bestmidi.com > From aspooner at blindinc.org Thu Jul 1 13:12:36 2010 From: aspooner at blindinc.org (Al Spooner) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 08:12:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Song List for Karaoke Nite In-Reply-To: <000d01cb05f8$d707c4f0$85174ed0$@com> References: <000d01cb05f8$d707c4f0$85174ed0$@com> Message-ID: <53DC87065B034BB39D2AA5946700E5AB@blindinc.local> Hi All you convention-goers! For those of you who are interested in attending Karaoke Night, sponsored by BLIND, Incorporated on Saturday, July 3 from 8:00 - 12:00 PM. You can access the Karaoke song list from the web by going to the following website: http://www.blindinc.org/karaoke.htm See you all there! Al Spooner Assistant Director Outreach and Marketing Blindness Learning In New Dimensions, Incorporated (BLIND, Incorporated) 100 East 22nd Street Minneapolis, MN 55404 Office: 612-872-0100 Ext. 226 Toll Free: 800-597-9558 Fax: 612-872-9358 Web Site: www.blindinc.org Office E-mail: aspooner at blindinc.org From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Thu Jul 1 14:13:56 2010 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2010 10:13:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Technology, Print and Readers Message-ID: <20100701141356.21108.16032@web2> Darrel, I'm with you on this one. I was the young lady in incident one who contacted Mike Freeman. It seems to me that computer-generated documents leave no room for excuses as to why they're not accessible. As for the census, it's required by law that someone fill it out, so it seems reasonable that it should be covered under ADA or some similar law. As for competing in the job market, I say do whatever works. I'm one of those who doesn't hire a reader often, but that's because I don't need to most of the time. On the other hand, I'm certainly with Mike in that no blind person should use blindness and inaccessibility as an excuse not to at least try to get something done. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > Hello Everyone, > This is an excellent topic! :-) > Here in the 21st century, I expect virtually all computer-generated > documents and forms to be made accessible to me as a blind person. The > only exception might be documents that have been hand written, which > almost never happens these days. > In my way of thinking, if some information is accessible to a sighted > person, it ought also be made accessible to a blind person. That's equality. > I do agree that, when no equal access is provided, a blind person must > work with a sighted reader in order to get business done. > In the case of incident 1 with the U.S. Census, the federal agency needs > to go all the way with respect to making sure the entire census process > is fully accessible to blind citizens without need of sighted help. It's > simply our right as American tax paying citizens and probably required > by at least Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act. > In the case of incident 2, shame on the blind lawyer! He shouldn't have > allowed his thoughtlessness or unwillingness to get sighted help to > adversely affect his case and cause harm to his client! > If I were the blind lawyer, I would absolutely acquire the printed > documents as a normal part of the discovery process, and I would > certainly at least ask for the same materials in electronic format. I > would ask, but I would not just wait for the accessible copies in order > to move forward on my job. > I appreciate Gary's perspective on these issues, but feel Mike Freeman > is sometimes a bit too radical on the "use a reader" side of the scale. :( > Even in our personal business nowadays, Karen and I use the phone, > online banking and other websites to deal with our financial and > household needs. Even in the case of dealing with non-regulated > businesses, if they want us to do something, I now insist they work with > us in an accessible format. It has been my experience that, if I tell > the person I am blind and I need things done in a certain way in order > to meet their requirements, they actually will find a way to make the > information accessible! When worse comes to worse, I ask for managers > and let them know that, just like they have their company policies, I > have my own corporate policy that anyone I'm dealing with needs to > reasonably accommodate me. Believe it or not, this approach works, always! > So, my conclusion is that we shouldn't be afraid to ask for and demand > equal access to information and technology, but we need to be prepared > to do what needs to be done when that accessibility is not forthcoming > in a timely manner. > Blind people who demand equal access are actors, not victims. > Regards, > Darrell > On 6/30/2010 2:47 PM, Joe Orozco wrote: >> I thought this was an interesting article on this month's Monitor. Any >> thoughts?--Joe >> *** >>> From the Editor's Email Basket >> Technology, Access, and Personal Responsibility >> by Mike Freeman, Gary Wunder, and Dan Burke >>> From the Editor: Today's complex political, legal, and technological >> environment often creates complicated and ambiguous issues for blind people >> working >> to achieve equality, security, and opportunity for themselves and others. >> The NFB's philosophy of blindness is sound and pragmatic, but deciding to >> adhere >> to one's principles today and even determining what actions those principles >> demand can be a challenge. The following email exchange took place recently >> on the affiliate presidents listserv. The first message is from Mike >> Freeman, president of the NFB of Washington. The second is from Gary Wunder, >> president >> of the NFB of Missouri. The final one is from Dan Burke, president of the >> NFB of Montana. All three men are also members of the NFB board of directors >> and thoughtful shapers of NFB opinion and philosophy. Their concerns and >> cautions are worth serious thought. This is what they wrote: >> Fellow Affiliate Presidents: >> Mike Freeman >> We all know the basic tenets of NFB philosophy; we wouldn't be affiliate >> presidents were this not so. In most instances guidance from NFB philosophy >> is >> clear and straightforward. However, the most fascinating applications of NFB >> philosophy occur in situations that bring out its subtle nuances and force >> us to ponder what it means in the real world. >> In my opinion one of these areas of subtlety concerns our desire for >> accessible documents and other materials. When should we ask for them, when >> should >> we demand them, and when should we take responsibility for gaining access to >> them by our own efforts (including use of readers)? I am concerned that, as >> it becomes easier to get accessible materials, we are losing our edge in >> critical thinking and in adhering to NFB philosophy. I am becoming >> increasingly >> worried that more and more blind people-both NFB members and nonmembers-are >> failing to distinguish between that which is desirable and that which ought >> to be mandatory, between what should be ours by right and what is our own >> responsibility to procure for ourselves. The Americans with Disabilities Act >> and other laws have something to say about this under certain circumstances, >> but there is often room for disagreement, especially in employment >> situations, >> where I am afraid many blind people entering the workforce are confused >> about what is an employer's responsibility and what is the prospective >> employee's >> responsibility-where they begin and end, when failure to provide accessible >> materials is discrimination, and when it is just the way the world works. I >> am becoming increasingly concerned that we are not sufficiently educating >> our members in the arcana of NFB philosophy-a failing that is partly ours >> and >> partly that of the membership, who all too often want everything in >> ten-second sound bites. >> This concern was crystallized for me by two incidents that I observed during >> the past twenty-four hours. The first came from a question of one of our >> members >> (a staunch Federationist), and the second came from a post on our BlindLaw >> list. >> Incident one: A young lady called me up yesterday afternoon asking whether >> census forms were accessible and what blind folks who lived alone did to >> fill >> them out. I told her that I hadn't even considered the question; that I >> always just used an amanuensis and never worried about it. Apparently she >> called >> up the census office, and they have a form in Braille; she wondered how a >> blind person would handle this. I said that I supposed the Braille form was >> like >> the old Talking Book Topics Braille book request lists that had print under >> the Braille and one would just put a penciled line by the answer one wanted. >> My point is merely that in the old days we would never have even considered >> the question; we all just used an amanuensis to fill out the form, and that >> was that. To what extent is it the responsibility of the Census Bureau to >> provide accessible forms, and to what extent should we just accept that the >> world >> predominantly uses print and that, if we are to compete on terms of equality >> and, perhaps more important, demand the right to compete on terms of >> equality, >> we should just learn to handle the print ourselves? I know what Dr. Jernigan >> would say (or I think I do); in the no-longer-distributed publication "Why >> the NFB?," he took one letter-writer to task for complaining that he (Dr. >> Jernigan) had sent him some print correspondence. >> Incident two: A legitimate and interesting discussion has arisen on the >> BlindLaw mailing list concerning the rights of attorneys during the >> discovery process >> to receive materials in accessible form: what is the extent (if any) of >> these rights, and (a) whose responsibility it is to make documents >> accessible and >> (b) how should one get the job done, specifically with scanned PDF >> documents? The post that disturbed (nay, incensed) me was from a lawyer (I >> don't know >> whether or not he is in the NFB, and this is probably immaterial anyway) who >> said that one of his clients had gotten an adverse court ruling because the >> blind attorney hadn't been able to get a scanned PDF into a useable form in >> time to prevent it. >> I'm sorry, but this enrages me! Were I that attorney's client, I'd fire him >> and sue the pants off him for incompetence; if the attorney wishes to be >> accepted >> as being able to compete on terms of equality, he should actually compete, >> and in my opinion it is no one's responsibility but his to see that he has >> at >> hand all the material he needs to do the best job he can for his client. >> It will be interesting to see how others respond though I doubt many will >> put it in as stark terms as I do here. But my point is not to debate this >> particular >> issue: I am making like a foghorn in the night: ladies and gentlemen, we >> have a job to do. We not only need back-to-basics NFB philosophy seminars at >> the >> national level, but we need them in spades at the state-affiliate and >> local-chapter levels. The question then becomes how to get the membership to >> sit >> still long enough to absorb and consider the esoterica of NFB philosophy >> where the rubber really meets the road and get them to increase their >> critical >> thinking skills in this area, for I fear me greatly that we will face this >> issue more and more as the world increasingly adopts technologies and >> methodologies >> that involve use of sight under circumstances that heretofore they did not. >> Mike Freeman >> Hello Mike, >> Gary Wunder >> I really like your post and admire you for taking the time to put it out on >> a list like this. I have to tell you that I'm amazed that many people, some >> of them state presidents, don't even pay for readers on a regular basis. I >> can't imagine how people pay their bills, fill out forms, and do all of the >> other things that being a state president requires without setting up some >> human help along the way. To me it is just a built-in cost of being blind, >> one >> I have taken to be a given for a long, long time now. I cannot imagine >> trying to make it the responsibility of opposing counsel to provide my blind >> lawyer >> a document in an accessible format, and I would be mighty upset with any of >> our blind lawyers who told me my case had been lost because they did not >> read >> the material available. >> As for the census, our form was completed in less than five minutes by one >> of the readers we have come to our house. Currently we have two of them. One >> is a volunteer. The other uses the money she makes by working for us to buy >> groceries. Both of the people who work for us get something out of it, and, >> in addition to the reading we get, we get the joy that comes from the >> challenge of figuring out how to make our volunteer feel as good about >> knowing us >> as we feel about knowing her and the satisfaction of knowing that we have >> provided a job to someone who needs to eat. >> I think our people are indeed in need of some good Federation philosophy >> about technology and personal responsibility, but, when we hold such >> seminars, >> we will have to be mindful of several realities that can make determining >> what responsibility rests with us and what rests with others a bit more >> difficult >> in the twenty-first century than it was in 1940 or 1975. If discrimination >> is truly something which must be both detrimental and unreasonable, then >> there >> was little discrimination when sighted people would pass around plain pieces >> of white paper-plain to us because we could not determine the black or the >> red ink on them. I think there is no discrimination when sighted people sit >> around and talk about the expression on the face of the Mona Lisa or the >> genius >> of the painter who put it there, or how different pictures can convey a >> different message when viewed at a different angle. There is no >> discrimination >> if my daughter can do magic with the Paint Program provided in versions of >> Microsoft Windows, and I can do nothing with the same program. I want to >> drive, >> but currently there is no discrimination when my daughter of sixteen can get >> a license, and I cannot. At this point in our history these things are >> inherently >> visual. >> Now take the situation in which we have a device where everything can be >> recorded in a digital format, where every number and letter can be coded >> into a >> unique sequence that can be interpreted by a speech synthesizer, a Braille >> printer, or a text magnifier, and now consider that almost anybody who >> writes >> any kind of document uses this device. Then, to make it more glitzy, to >> allow for pictures more easily, or perhaps even to increase its security, >> they >> take what is inherently nonvisual and make it visual. Our own state >> government now writes most of its documents in Microsoft Word and then >> converts them >> to PDF for distribution. Is this sound public policy when the same state >> government and the federal government that provides most of the money for >> rehabilitation >> have entered into a contract with blind people saying, "If you will get the >> training and take going to work seriously, we will help you along the way?" >> Is it reasonable, when government and private industry actively support the >> creation, distribution, and purchase of project management tools that use >> numbers >> to calculate the criticality of a project and then turn those numbers into >> colors and graphs without providing a nonvisual solution so that we can get >> at those very numbers? >> As some of you may know, tomorrow I go to a two-day session for an >> orientation with the Cerner Corporation. Their goal for me is to teach me >> about their >> company and to show me the tools and techniques that will immediately make >> me a productive Cerner associate. I'm excited about the trip. I love >> learning >> about new technology and thrill at being on the cutting edge of a new >> electronic medical record. >> If I have any fear or reservations about that session, is it that I may not >> be capable of being a computer programmer? Absolutely not! Do I fear that I >> may behave in a socially inappropriate manner? No, I have no question about >> that. My fear is that, when they begin to show me the simplest of >> timekeeping >> functions, the way they track projects, and maybe even the way they sign >> into their system, we will find something in that mess that is inaccessible. >> Maybe >> it will be a button which was not coded as a button and therefore is not >> seen by a screen reader. Maybe it will look like a combo box but be nothing >> more >> than a series of links that in turn cause others to be displayed silently on >> the screen. >> At one of my recent jobs, the way one logged a problem was not only to have >> a user ID and password, but to carry around an electronic card which >> actually >> received a code that was changed every fifteen seconds. Only if you got >> these three elements could you file a problem for the vendor to fix. >> For me in this circumstance the question isn't whether I have a >> responsibility to deal with the printed word on a page, but whether I have >> the ability to >> decode a screen which, if created with nonvisual access in mind, I would >> have full access to, but, more times than not in the advanced world of >> technology, >> my needs as a blind person don't even place in the race to get something out >> the door. >> My point in writing all of this is to say that there is something of a >> shared responsibility for all of this information we are forced to cope with >> every >> day. If I am the one most personally affected, then I believe I am the one >> most personally responsible, yet, if that translates to the need to have >> somebody >> with me during three-fourths of my work week, I reject that as reasonable, >> whether I pay for that assistance or whether somehow my employer is willing >> to pay for it. It just makes no sense, especially since it is completely >> avoidable. >> I think all of this points to the absolute imperative that we pass H.R. >> 4533, the Technology Bill of Rights for the Blind Act. As I understand >> current law, >> there is nothing for blind people to do when their employment is threatened >> by technology which will not allow for nonvisual interaction except to sue >> their employer. This is not the way to show that you and they have a shared >> goal. This is not how a good employer-employee relationship is built. It is >> not the way you show your employer that you want to be a part of the team. >> At some point we must get to the place where these important decisions are >> handled >> at the procurement level and where a violation of the law is not revealed >> only after a blind employee finds himself at a significant disadvantage. >> So I'm all for a seminar, a back-to-basics, >> take-some-personal-responsibility gathering, but it will have to be one that >> grapples with the technology of >> today and not just a session where we say, "Well, of course you will, from >> time to time, need to hire the services of a sighted person to get along in >> the world, so get on with it." >> Gary Wunder >> Mike, et al.: >> Dan Burke >> Thanks for the post. I gave it plenty of thought this afternoon while >> thinning out the lilac hedge. Our previous efforts to ensure that electronic >> voting >> machines provided for in HAVA [Help America Vote Act] would be nonvisually >> accessible are an excellent example of Gary's points, as are our current >> efforts >> with the Technology Bill of Rights. Technology has changed the world in many >> respects because it can easily be made accessible. >> Part of my duties at the University of Montana includes supervising >> alternate media production, that is, primarily ensuring access to textbooks. >> I am also >> called on quite frequently to identify inaccessible documents. If, for >> example, I receive an inaccessible PDF, I engage in a conversation with its >> originators >> about dissemination of or deployment of such formats and give directions to >> resources for creating accessible documents. However, I don't then sit back >> and wait for the accessible document to come if I must read and digest the >> material in short order. I convert it or, since I have the luxury of >> high-speed >> scanners and student labor, have it converted. >> Philosophically, this question could be boiled down to whether blind people >> behave as actors or victims. I am keenly aware that, in fulfilling our ADA >> Title >> II obligation to provide accessible texts and documents in higher education, >> we may not always be preparing students to be actors in their professional >> lives. It is apparently quite possible to get all the way through law school >> without knowing how to convert paper or PDFs to accessible and usable >> documents. >> It may be posited that the lawyer in your story was a victim, or perhaps a >> less pejorative term might be recipient of accessibility. To be an actor in >> this case would require a strategy, the skills and resources or tools to get >> what one needed in a usable format in the most expedient manner--likely >> large >> amounts of material at times under severe deadlines. >> One tool in any such strategy, of course, is the old-fashioned, >> nontechnological use of a trained and reliable human reader. I use my >> knfbReader Mobile >> quite a bit now to go through personal mail, but, if I have been neglectful >> in keeping up with it (or just too busy), I revert to a reader as the most >> efficient way to get through a pile of mail in a hurry. The power company is >> not sympathetic to claims that I am not proficient in managing my personal >> business responsibilities. >> It's an excellent topic for a seminar discussion. >> Dan Burke >> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, >> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/darrell.shandrow%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From dandrews at visi.com Thu Jul 1 14:45:52 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2010 09:45:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Employment Seminar 2010 Message-ID: Evolutionary Employment; the Foundational Building Blocks Employment Committee National Federation of the Blind Saturday, July 3rd, 2010 Dallas, Texas AGENDA 9:00-9:30 a.m. Registration 9:30-10:00 a.m. Opening Session Buna Dahal Leadership Strategist DynamicBuna, Inc. Centennial, Colorado 10:00-11:00 a.m. Staying on the Cutting Edge Evolving Careers, Evolving Structures Dr. J. W. Smith Professor of Speech Communication Ohio University School of Communication Studies Athens, Ohio 11:00-11:30 a.m. Solutions at Hand Audience 11:30-1:00 p.m. Lunch 1:00-1:15 p.m. Print Media ­the Primary Cornerstone Renee West Marketing and Outreach Manager for NFB Newsline Department of Strategic Initiatives National Federation of the Blind Baltimore, Maryland 1:15-1:30 p.m. Professional Documents ­Well Engineered Mortar Barbara Gant Business Consultant Gant Associates, Inc. Hurst, Texas 1:30-2:00 p.m. Personal Connections ­the Second Cornerstone Audience 2:00-3:00 p.m. The Field of Geriatrics ­Are You Open to Remodeling? Aloma Bouma International Consultant Former Deputy Executive Director Baltimore Commission on Aging and Retirement Education Baltimore, Maryland Lynn Heitz Waiver Implementation Social Worker Office of Long Term Living Harrisburg, Pennsylvania Joe Ruffalo Program Manager Senior Community Independent Living Services Essex County, New Jersey 3:00-3:15 p.m. Planning and Design; Resources Robert Leslie Newman Vocational Rehabilitation Counselor Nebraska Commission for the Blind and Visually Impaired Omaha, Nebraska 3:15-3:30 p.m. Professional Literature ­the Third Cornerstone John Halverson Senior Program Management Analyst Department of Health and Human Services Office of Civil Rights Arlington, Virginia 3:30-4:30 p.m. Social Networking Media ­the New Cornerstone Jim Barbour Principal Systems Engineer Yahoo San Francisco, California 4:30-4:45 p.m. Reflections Audience 4:45-5:00 p.m. Closing Remarks David Andrews and long white cane Harry, dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 14:54:42 2010 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 10:54:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] super shuttle help Message-ID: Hi All! I know this is very last-minute but stupid me thought booking this super shuttle would be simple and it's not turning out as simply as I thought lol! Last night I tried to book my super shuttle online. I went to the direct link for our group code provided by the NFB and I was under the impression we would get a discounted price of $26 round-trip. When you book online, it gives several options for what kind of car/van you want...shared ride for 7 people a private SUV among many other options. Below each option it givs price information. I knew that for our discounted price for one-way it was $14 so I chose the shared van option since it seemed the cheapest. Since I will need the super shuttle for both arriving and departing I chose round-trip and selected the shared ride van first option for both ways. When it gave me my total price, it came out to $34. Does anyone know which option I should select to get the discounted $26 price I thought we were supposed to get with the discounted group rate? I should probably mention that the link I clicked took me to the direct page and it did have our group code on it...so I can't figure out why I'm not getting the $26 price. Has anyone else had this problem and if so which option did you select? Also, are most of you booking online or over the phone? Should I just book over the phone? Thanks, and sorry this is so last-minute...I really shouldn't wait until the last minute for things like this lol! Kerri From cowboy0210 at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 15:01:53 2010 From: cowboy0210 at gmail.com (cowboy0210 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 15:01:53 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] super shuttle help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <298490079-1277996515-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-174030909-@bda2889.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> It shows the full price but youv will receive the discounted price when checking out. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Kerri Kosten Sender: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 10:54:42 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; NFB Talk Mailing List Reply-To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] super shuttle help Hi All! I know this is very last-minute but stupid me thought booking this super shuttle would be simple and it's not turning out as simply as I thought lol! Last night I tried to book my super shuttle online. I went to the direct link for our group code provided by the NFB and I was under the impression we would get a discounted price of $26 round-trip. When you book online, it gives several options for what kind of car/van you want...shared ride for 7 people a private SUV among many other options. Below each option it givs price information. I knew that for our discounted price for one-way it was $14 so I chose the shared van option since it seemed the cheapest. Since I will need the super shuttle for both arriving and departing I chose round-trip and selected the shared ride van first option for both ways. When it gave me my total price, it came out to $34. Does anyone know which option I should select to get the discounted $26 price I thought we were supposed to get with the discounted group rate? I should probably mention that the link I clicked took me to the direct page and it did have our group code on it...so I can't figure out why I'm not getting the $26 price. Has anyone else had this problem and if so which option did you select? Also, are most of you booking online or over the phone? Should I just book over the phone? Thanks, and sorry this is so last-minute...I really shouldn't wait until the last minute for things like this lol! Kerri _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cowboy0210%40gmail.com From thisischris89 at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 15:06:18 2010 From: thisischris89 at gmail.com (Christoper Kchao) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:06:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] super shuttle help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18ABE1B4F52149F09D321EE4F54F4055@consumer281f9d> Hello, If I remember correctly, the form is a little strange about how it displays the fare. In any case, the discount should be reflected when you finally fill in payment details. In all honesty though, you may as well call if the same discount applies. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kerri Kosten Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 10:55 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; NFB Talk Mailing List Subject: [nabs-l] super shuttle help Hi All! I know this is very last-minute but stupid me thought booking this super shuttle would be simple and it's not turning out as simply as I thought lol! Last night I tried to book my super shuttle online. I went to the direct link for our group code provided by the NFB and I was under the impression we would get a discounted price of $26 round-trip. When you book online, it gives several options for what kind of car/van you want...shared ride for 7 people a private SUV among many other options. Below each option it givs price information. I knew that for our discounted price for one-way it was $14 so I chose the shared van option since it seemed the cheapest. Since I will need the super shuttle for both arriving and departing I chose round-trip and selected the shared ride van first option for both ways. When it gave me my total price, it came out to $34. Does anyone know which option I should select to get the discounted $26 price I thought we were supposed to get with the discounted group rate? I should probably mention that the link I clicked took me to the direct page and it did have our group code on it...so I can't figure out why I'm not getting the $26 price. Has anyone else had this problem and if so which option did you select? Also, are most of you booking online or over the phone? Should I just book over the phone? Thanks, and sorry this is so last-minute...I really shouldn't wait until the last minute for things like this lol! Kerri _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thisischris89%40gmai l.com From dandrews at visi.com Thu Jul 1 16:19:21 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:19:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Speak 4.5 for Symbian is Now Available! Message-ID: > >Caroline Ragot - Marketing Director >marketing at codefactory.es > >Mobile Speak 4.5 for Symbian > > >Mobile Speak 4.5 for Symbian is Now Available > > > > > >Touch Screen, Web Browser, Calendar, TweetS60, Nokia C5, C6, E5 & >E73 Mode, and More! > > > > >Terrassa (Barcelona), Spain, July 1st, 2010 > > > >Mobile Speak 4.5, a free update for all users of Mobile Speak 4.0, >is now available! Since the release of Mobile Speak 4.1, Code >Factory's Symbian development team has focused its efforts on two >main areas: Touch Screen and Web Browser support. > > >Using a Touch Screen Becomes as Easy as Using a Phone with Physical Keys > > > >Mobile Speak 4.5 includes two new touch screen interaction modes, >based on the concept of a standard joystick and a standard numeric >keypad. All of the physical keys used to control the screen reader >and phone in non touch screen devices have now been converted by >Mobile Speak into very intuitive virtual touch keys. It is therefore >easier and faster to enter text, dial a number or navigate through >the menus of your touch screen device > >The two new touch screen input methods are named Keypad mode and >Joystick mode. The Keypad mode is the default touch mode. You can >switch to the Joystick mode with command + volume up key, and then >use command + volume down key to go back to the Keypad mode. > >In Keypad mode, the touch screen is divided into 12 virtual keys, >arranged just like a phone keypad (1, 2, and 3 at the top; 4, 5, and >6 in the second row; 7, 8, and 9 in the third; and the star, 0, and >hash keys in the bottom row). By accessing the Keypad mode, you can >type numbers and letters just as with a physical keypad, including >using predictive text to compose text messages and email. This input >method allows you to enter text faster than either a virtual >keyboard or a review cursor with an onscreen keyboard. > >In addition, you can combine these virtual numeric keys with the >command key to perform command shortcuts, just as in previous >(non-touch) versions of Mobile Speak. For example, to mute Mobile >Speak, press the command key followed by the virtual 0 key at the >bottom center of the screen. Long-time users of Mobile Speak will >find this method of accessing commands familiar, and new users will >also find it a convenient alternative to the standard touch gestures. > >To access the left and right softkeys, delete characters, or press >enter, you can use a gesture called a "slide back" in one of four >directions. For example, to access the left softkey, you can perform >a "slide left and back" by sliding your finger right-to-left and >then left-to-right without releasing your finger or pausing between >the two motions. This gesture may take a few tries to be able to >perform it smoothly, but once you familiarize yourself with it, it >provides a quick and easy gesture to access common functions. > >Tip: To quickly become familiar with the virtual touch keys, >gestures and commands in Keypad mode, use the Keyboard Help mode. >This is activated and deactivated by pressing the Command key + long >press on the virtual key 5. > >Besides this Keypad mode, Mobile Speak 4.5 also features a Joystick >mode in which the touch screen is divided into 9 virtual keys, >arranged in a 3 x 3 grid. This touch input mode is intended for >users who prefer to interact with the phone using taps rather than >by slide gestures. The central key is joystick Enter, while the 4 >keys directly above, below, left and right of the joystick >correspond to the joystick up, down, left and right keys. The bottom >left key is the left softkey, and the bottom right key is the right >softkey, and the upper right key is the delete key (upper left is >unassigned). Therefore if you are scrolling a list, you only have to >make taps on the top center or bottom center of your touch screen to >scroll up and down the list. > > >Improved Web Browsing Experience > > > >Based on the extensive feedback of Mobile Speak's users and beta >testers, many bugs have been fixed in order to provide a much more >advanced web browsing experience. These include: > * Fixed problem that prevented some pages from being accessible > on certain devices. > * Fixed problem where reading whole screen by pressing 9 would > sometimes finish before the end of page is reached. > * Fixed problem on many newer devices where the amount of > kilobytes downloaded and remaining was not being spoken when > pressing joystick up (or down) while a page is loading. > * Fixed problem when entering text in Text Area field on some > web pages. Pressing joystick enter will now open the Text Area so > that text can be entered. > * Fixed problem where Combo boxes were not always selectable. > Pressing joystick enter will now open Combo boxes so that the > selection can be modified. > * Fixed problem on some newer phones which could cause a combo > box to open unintentionally when passing over the element with joystick moves. > * Fixed problem where a Combo box's contents were not > immediately refreshed with the new data after changing the combo > box selection. > * Fixed problem where some in-page links were not being jumped > to correctly. > * Fixed problem where the text of some elements was not being > spoken (affected some images, links or headers). > * Fixed various problems when moving up with joystick up, such > as: End of lists/tables was not spoken; all elements of combo box > were spoken; not symmetric to moving down with joystick down. > * Fixed problem when entering web address with T9 predictive > text active: it is no longer repeating full address each item a new > character is entered if the address starts with "http". > * Editor state is now spoken correctly (e.g. T9, alpha, number). > * After entering a password, its value is now displayed as > "****" when passing over the element with joystick moves, to improve privacy. > > > > More New Features > > > > * Support for the Nokia calendar application in several new > devices where it was not yet supported (e.g. E52, E72, E75, 6730, > C5) when in Month, Agenda or To-do views. > * Support for TweetS60, the popular > 3rd party Twitter client. > * Support for the > Focus > 40 Blue Braille portable device from Freedom Scientific. Listen to > Jonathan Mosen's demo at > http://www.codefactory.es/descargas/Audio/focus_40_blue.mp3 > > * Support for new phones: Nokia C5, Nokia C6, Nokia E5 and Nokia > E73 Mode (for T-Mobile USA). > * Changed T9 predictive text functionality so that, when > entering text in predictive mode and with Keyboard Echo set to > Characters, the whole word it spoken (just like it currently is > when Keyboard Echo is set to Characters and Words). Also speaking > the whole word when typing a space in predictive mode with keyboard > echo set to "Characters". > * Added feature to the user dictionary to allow the copying of > dictionaries between different voices. > * Added "Include in Toggle Profile command" setting in General > Tab. When set to Off, the Mobile Speak Profile is not included when > toggling profile with Command + Clear. Default is On for all profiles. > * Touch devices: Added new commands: Command + volume up and > Command + volume down. These allow you to easily cycle through > Mobile Speak's touchmodes : Keypad, Joystick, Quadrant, Review > Cursor and Stylus mode. > * Touch: Added Configuration option in General tab called "Touch > mode on startup" which allows you to select the Mobile Speak touch > mode that will be first active when Mobile Speak is launched. > * Activation: issues with SMS and Internet activation that > existed with some operators (e.g. AT&T) have now been resolved. > >Don't forget that Mobile Speak 4.5 is Cross Platform! Visit >http://codefactory.es/en/press.asp?id=388&y=2010&n=84 >to read the Mobile Speak 4.5 for Windows Mobile press release. > >If you are a new user, download Mobile Speak 4.5 now at >http://codefactory.es/en/downloads.asp?id=347 >and try it for 30 days for free. > >If you are a user of a previous version from Mobile Speak 4.0 and >wish to upgrade to Mobile Speak 4.5, contact your distributor to >purchase an upgrade license. In addition to all the improvements and >new features of Mobile Speak 4.0 and 4.5, if you purchase an upgrade >license, you will also get >Mobile Magnifier, >Mobile DAISY >Player, Color >Recognizer and the Games for free! To consult the complete list of >Code Factory's official distributors, visit >http://www.codefactory.es/en/page.asp?id=351 > > >To learn how to install Mobile Speak 4.5 for Symbian for the first >time, follow the instructions at >http://www.codefactory.es/descargas/family_4/ms45_userguide_symbian.html#_Toc265236570 > > >If upgrading from version 3.XX of Mobile Speak, make sure to FIRST >UNINSTALL all the Code Factory packages you have installed and then >RESTART the device. However if you already have version 4.XX >installed, just stop Mobile Speak and install v4.5. None of the TTS >packages have changed since v4.0, so there is no need to reinstall >them. For more information about upgrading, follow the instructions >at >http://www.codefactory.es/descargas/family_4/ms45_userguide_symbian.html#_Toc265236574 > > >To read more about Mobile Speak 4.0 visit >http://codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=318 > > > >About Code Factory > > > >Founded in 1998 and headquartered in Terrassa (Barcelona), Spain, >Code Factory is the global leader committed to the development of >products designed to eliminate barriers to the accessibility of >mobile technology for the blind and visually impaired. Today, Code >Factory is the leading provider of screen readers, screen >magnifiers, and Braille interfaces for the widest range of >mainstream mobile devices. Among Code Factory's customers are well >known organizations for the blind such as ONCE, and carriers such as >AT&T, Bouygues Telecom, SFR, TIM and Vodafone. Code Factory has also >built strong partnerships with mainstream multinational companies >like RIM, Nokia, Microsoft, and Hewlett Packard as well as leading >assistive technology companies such as HumanWare, Optelec and Sendero Group. > >For more information, feel free to contact Code Factory S.L.: > > >Code Factory, S.L., Rambla d'Egara 148 2-2, 08221 Terrassa (Barcelona) >HelpDesk, www.codefactory.es >Code Factory, S.L. - 2010 > David Andrews and long white cane Harry, dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From nabs.president at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 17:02:56 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:02:56 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Business Meeting Agenda! Message-ID: Hello NABS listers, Attached please find the agenda for our business meeting. Please note that we had a last-minute change with BookShare and I am not yet sure who will be speaking, which is why no name is listed. Three other announcements: 1. On Saturday night from 8:00-midnight, NABS is having a student hospitality gathering in Room 2372. Feel free to drop in whenever you want for snacks, games, and socializing. Please note, this didn't make it into the main agenda, so I'd appreciate if you can tell your friends and other students about this, especially students you know who are attending their first convention. 2. We have a new registration procedure this year: You'll only have to register if you haven't given us your contact info during the past year (since last convention). To shortcut the registration line, if you haven't registered online since last year's convention or at Washington Seminar, please go to www.nabslink.org and click the "Become a NABS Member" link to update your contact info in our database. If you register online, you'll be able to skip past the registration lineup at convention, simply pay your $5 dues and go in. The more people do this, the less crowded and chaotic the registration foyer will be. 3. We still need a couple more people to deal cards during Monte Carlo night. If you are interested, please email Darian Smith at dsmithnfb at gmail.com See everyone on Saturday! -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NABS Agenda Final.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 11825 bytes Desc: not available URL: From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Thu Jul 1 18:13:16 2010 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 11:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Business Meeting Agenda! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4289.38138.qm@web53806.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello Arielle, Would it be possible for me to get the NABS business meeting agenda in MicrosoftHello 2003 version? I think you sent in Microsoft 2007 and I am not able to open it on my computer. thanks Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Thu, 7/1/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: > From: Arielle Silverman > Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Business Meeting Agenda! > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Thursday, July 1, 2010, 12:02 PM > Hello NABS listers, > > Attached please find the agenda for our business meeting. > Please note > that we had a last-minute change with BookShare and I am > not yet sure > who will be speaking, which is why no name is listed. > > Three other announcements: > > 1. On Saturday night from 8:00-midnight, NABS is having a > student > hospitality gathering in Room 2372. Feel free to drop in > whenever you > want for snacks, games, and socializing. Please note, this > didn't make > it into the main agenda, so I'd appreciate if you can tell > your > friends and other students about this, especially students > you know > who are attending their first convention. > > 2. We have a new registration procedure this year: You'll > only have to > register if you haven't given us your contact info during > the past > year (since last convention). To shortcut the registration > line, if > you haven't registered online since last year's convention > or at > Washington Seminar, please go to > www.nabslink.org > and click the "Become a NABS Member" link to update your > contact info > in our database. If you register online, you'll be able to > skip past > the registration lineup at convention, simply pay your $5 > dues and go > in. The more people do this, the less crowded and chaotic > the > registration foyer will be. > > 3. We still need a couple more people to deal cards during > Monte Carlo > night. If you are interested, please email Darian Smith at > dsmithnfb at gmail.com > > See everyone on Saturday! > -- > Arielle Silverman > President, National Association of Blind Students > Phone:  602-502-2255 > Email: > nabs.president at gmail.com > Website: > www.nabslink.org > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 1 19:45:51 2010 From: pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net (Peter Donahue) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:45:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting Agenda and Recording References: Message-ID: <005e01cb1956$03137600$4001a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello everyone, I also had problems accessing the meeting agenda for the same reason. Sending the agenda in Word 2007 Format wasn't a very good idea. The best solution to prevent us from having issues with backward compatabillity is to place the agenda in the message body or to convert the file to good old ASCII Format. Then everyone can access the document. The agenda isn't even on the NABS Web Site either. Again this year we will be recording the NABS Annual Meeting. The recording will be posted to the NABS Web Site following the convention. A few pointers to help everyone be heard are in order. Whenever someone addresses the group they need to be at a microphone. Yelling and shouting across the room won't work as you must be at close range to be picked up. There were problems with last years recordings where people could bearely be heard due to their being far away from the microphone. We can set up a floor mic for audience members to address the meeting. I'll also have a wireless microphone that can be passed around. If someone can serve as a "Runner" to bring the mic to participants this will be a big help too. The main thing is to be sure everyone's voice is captured for recording purposes and so they can be heard by everyone else as the signal from the floor/roving microphones will also be fed back through the sound system. Your cooperation will be very much appreciated and can result in a shorter-running file as it will be easier to remove gaps of silence during post production. See you all in Dallas. Peter Donahue From nabs.president at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 20:12:05 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 14:12:05 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Agenda, Text Format Message-ID: As requested, here is the agenda in plain text format. Arielle -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org -------------- next part -------------- National Association of Blind Students Annual Business Meeting Agenda July 4, 2010 "Laying the Groundwork for Success" Hilton Anatole Hotel, Wedgwood Room 7:00-7:05 Call to Order and Welcome 7:05-7:35 New Developments at Blackboard Lil Tydings, Senior Manager, User Experience, Blackboard; Washington, D.C. 7:35-7:45 All About Apple: Info from the NFB Technology Team Anne Taylor, Director, International Braille and Technology Center, National Federation of the Blind 7:45-7:55 Reading Made Easy: What's New at BookShare 7:55-8:05 Learning Through Listening: News from RFB&D Annemarie Cooke, Consultant, Recording for the Blind and Dyslexic, Princeton, NJ 8:05-8:10 Update from the UVM Tactile Drawing Project Al Maneki, University of Vermont 8:10-8:20 Meeting the Employment Needs of Today's Blind Students Brian Hurley, National Industries for the Blind 8:20-8:35 What the NFB Means to Me Conchita Hernandez, Lincoln, NE Dezman Jackson, Ruston, LA 8:35-8:50 Past, Present and Future: Words from our National NFB President Marc Maurer, President, National Federation of the Blind 8:50-9:05 Updates from ETS, Newsline, and the Department of Education Ruth Loew, Assistant Director of Disability Policy, ETS Renee West, Manager of Marketing and Outreach for Sponsored Technology Programs, National Federation of the Blind Dave Rives, U.S. Department of Education 9:05-9:25 Introducing the 2010 NFB Scholarship Class Anil Lewis, Board Member, National Federation of the Blind 9:25-10:00 NABS Business Presidential Report Constitutional Amendment Proposal Elections 10:00 Adjourn From jsorozco at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 20:33:25 2010 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 16:33:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting Agenda and Recording In-Reply-To: <005e01cb1956$03137600$4001a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <005e01cb1956$03137600$4001a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Come on Peter. A technical guy like you knows there's a compatibility tool offered by Microsoft for just this thing. If we're trying to teach students how to compete equally later in their employment years, shouldn't we advocate that people find a workable solution available to the public rather than ask that the material be provided in a specific format? The tool can be downloaded here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=941b3470-3ae9-4aee- 8f43-c6bb74cd1466&displaylang=en Joe "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 3:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting Agenda and Recording Hello everyone, I also had problems accessing the meeting agenda for the same reason. Sending the agenda in Word 2007 Format wasn't a very good idea. The best solution to prevent us from having issues with backward compatabillity is to place the agenda in the message body or to convert the file to good old ASCII Format. Then everyone can access the document. The agenda isn't even on the NABS Web Site either. Again this year we will be recording the NABS Annual Meeting. The recording will be posted to the NABS Web Site following the convention. A few pointers to help everyone be heard are in order. Whenever someone addresses the group they need to be at a microphone. Yelling and shouting across the room won't work as you must be at close range to be picked up. There were problems with last years recordings where people could bearely be heard due to their being far away from the microphone. We can set up a floor mic for audience members to address the meeting. I'll also have a wireless microphone that can be passed around. If someone can serve as a "Runner" to bring the mic to participants this will be a big help too. The main thing is to be sure everyone's voice is captured for recording purposes and so they can be heard by everyone else as the signal from the floor/roving microphones will also be fed back through the sound system. Your cooperation will be very much appreciated and can result in a shorter-running file as it will be easier to remove gaps of silence during post production. See you all in Dallas. Peter Donahue _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco %40gmail.com From pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net Thu Jul 1 21:04:46 2010 From: pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net (Peter Donahue) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 16:04:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting Agenda and Recording References: <005e01cb1956$03137600$4001a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <001501cb1961$0a50ca20$4001a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Joe and everyone, That is if you use Microsoft Products. Not everyone does. If anyone has information about such compatibility tools please share them with the group. Peter Donahue who needs to break loose from his computer to get packed for convention. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Orozco" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Meeting Agenda and Recording Come on Peter. A technical guy like you knows there's a compatibility tool offered by Microsoft for just this thing. If we're trying to teach students how to compete equally later in their employment years, shouldn't we advocate that people find a workable solution available to the public rather than ask that the material be provided in a specific format? The tool can be downloaded here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=941b3470-3ae9-4aee- 8f43-c6bb74cd1466&displaylang=en Joe "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 3:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting Agenda and Recording Hello everyone, I also had problems accessing the meeting agenda for the same reason. Sending the agenda in Word 2007 Format wasn't a very good idea. The best solution to prevent us from having issues with backward compatabillity is to place the agenda in the message body or to convert the file to good old ASCII Format. Then everyone can access the document. The agenda isn't even on the NABS Web Site either. Again this year we will be recording the NABS Annual Meeting. The recording will be posted to the NABS Web Site following the convention. A few pointers to help everyone be heard are in order. Whenever someone addresses the group they need to be at a microphone. Yelling and shouting across the room won't work as you must be at close range to be picked up. There were problems with last years recordings where people could bearely be heard due to their being far away from the microphone. We can set up a floor mic for audience members to address the meeting. I'll also have a wireless microphone that can be passed around. If someone can serve as a "Runner" to bring the mic to participants this will be a big help too. The main thing is to be sure everyone's voice is captured for recording purposes and so they can be heard by everyone else as the signal from the floor/roving microphones will also be fed back through the sound system. Your cooperation will be very much appreciated and can result in a shorter-running file as it will be easier to remove gaps of silence during post production. See you all in Dallas. Peter Donahue _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue1%40sbcglobal.net From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com Thu Jul 1 21:06:30 2010 From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 16:06:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Proposed Amendment to NABS Constitution In-Reply-To: References: <00b701cb1947$634ca190$29e5e4b0$@com> <00b901cb194b$b2546cb0$16fd4610$@com> Message-ID: <00c301cb1961$47c13e80$d743bb80$@com> On behalf of Darian Smith and myself, I propose for consideration the following amendment to the NABS Constitution: In paragraph 1 of Article IV, strike the first sentence, which reads: "There shall be elected at the annual meeting of this organization in each odd numbered year: a President, a first Vice President, a second vice President, a Secretary, a Treasurer, and two (2) board members and in each even numbered year, two (2) board members." And in its place, insert the following: "There shall be elected at the annual meeting of this organization: in each even numbered year, a President, a Second Vice President, a Secretary, and two (2) board members, designated Board Member 2 and Board Member 4, and in each odd numbered year, A First Vice President, a Treasurer, and two (2) board members, designated Board Member 1 and Board Member 3." The result of this amendment would be to have, when all is said and done, 5 board positions elected in even numbered years and four elected in odd numbered years. A 5/4 split makes more sense than the current 7/2 setup. We believe that staggering elections in this manner serves the organization well by ensuring continuity of leadership and offering new board members the opportunity to work with those with more experience than themselves. An additional benefit of setting up the elections in this way would be to make certain that there is continuity in regards to the finances of the organization, because the President and Treasurer, the two officers with access to and responsibility for the financial assets of the organization, would be elected in alternating years, thus avoiding potential situations where the financial resources of NABS may be in limbo while an outgoing President and Treasurer are transferring authority to execute financial transactions to an incoming President and Treasurer. In practical terms, changing the elections in the way suggested above would also result in more frequent, but less time consuming elections. If the amendment is agreed to, much in the same way that Board Member 2 and Board Member 4 were elected to one year terms in 2009 to be up for reelection in an even year, 2010, the President, 2nd Vice President and Secretary would be elected for a one year term in 2011, so that their elections will be changed to even numbered years as well. By 2012, we would be in a normal cycle of electing the board on a 5/4 split as proposed above. We would urge anybody attending the NABS business meeting in Dallas to support this amendment. If you have any questions, concerns or comments, please do not hesitate to contact Darian or me to discuss. Thank you, and I look forward to seeing many of you in Dallas. Sincerely, Sean Whalen From marty.rahn at juno.com Fri Jul 2 00:21:24 2010 From: marty.rahn at juno.com (Marty Rahn) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 18:21:24 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Colorado asociation of blind students 5050 Raffle References: Message-ID: Hello everyone, There was a slight mix up with the prices of the raffle tickets. The tickets are being sold as follows: one ticket costs $2, and three tickets cost $5. My sincerest apologies! Thanks. Sincerely, Marty Rahn, President, Colorado Association of Blind Students ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Green" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:42 AM Subject: [nabs-l] Colorado asociation of blind students 5050 Raffle > The Colorado Association of Blind Students, (CABS), is holding a > fifty-fifty raffle! The proceeds from this Raffle will be used to support > OUR mentoring Program, which allows CABS members to mentor blind students > in the state of Colorado, and at the state school for the blind. We are > selling 1 ticket for $2, and five tickets for $3. The drawing will be > held at the Colorado state Convention on October 30, 2010. > > We offer three convenient ways to purchase tickets. > > 1.. Those attending National Convention in Dallas can buy tickets at the > Colorado table and from CABS members throughout the convention. > 2.. You may purchase tickets through PayPal at the following address: > Colorado.students at gmail.com > > And > > You can send a check or money order to the following address: > > Cabs fifty-fifty Raffle > > Attn: Melissa Green > > 2315 9th ave., Apt. 3306 > > Greeley, CO 80631 > > Checks and money orders should be made payable to: Colorado Asociation of > Blind Students. > > If you purchase tickets with a check or money order, please drop me an > email with your name and phone number to let me know that you have sent > money to purchase tickets. This information will only be used to notify > you whin your check or money order is received. > > Please send your name and phone number to: > > colorado.students at gmail.com, and place the words "raffle tickets" in the > subject line. > > Warmly, > Melissa Green > > > Cabs First vice president > > The most splendid achievement of all is the constant striving to surpass > yourself and to be worthy of your own approval. > Follow Cabs on twitter at: co blindstudents > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > TODAY: iPads for $123.74? > ALERT: iPads are being auctioned for 95% off today! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c2ae8986eeb65557cst06vuc > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marty.rahn%40juno.com > From dandrews at visi.com Fri Jul 2 02:15:50 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2010 21:15:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Last Minute Reminder- Story Telling Idol Message-ID: >From: "Robert Leslie Newman" >Subject: Last Minute Reminder- Story Telling Idol > >LAST MINUTE REMINDER > >Do you like to tell stories? Do you like to listen to tall or scary >stories? The NFB Writers' Division is hosting "Story Telling Idol." > >time- Sunday July 4th, 6:00 - 8:00 PM > >the place- Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine > >Cost- $5.00 at the door and $1.00 to tell a story. Idol winners >share in the take! > > >Robert Leslie Newman >President NFB Writers' division >Writers' Division Website- >http://www.nfb-writers-division.org >Personal Website- >http://www.thoughtprovoker.info David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From freethaught at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 03:41:17 2010 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.) Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 23:41:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A few reminders from the nabs board. References: Message-ID: <42D62A04C79D419A9E0A05A6D6480465@userf9b4fa60eb> Hello all, I just registered at the NABS site, and notice that the site will not let one register if the cell phone field is blank. I prefer not to provide my cell number, so made up some number to satisfy the form requirements. Sincerely, Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. Student, Western Governors University (617) 744-9716 Eastern time zone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darian Smith" To: "Minnesota Students" ; "Kentucky Students" ; "Colorado Center for the Blind mailing list" ; "cabs-talk" ; "New Jersey Students" ; ; "Florida Students" ; ; "Utah Students" ; "Nebraska" ; ; "tabs_students" ; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" ; "Tennessee Students" ; "Illinois Students" ; "Nyabs" ; ; "New Hampshire Students" ; "Louisiana Students" ; "New Mexico Association of Blind Students" ; ; "North Carolina Students" ; "Virginia Students" ; ; "List for NABS State Presidents" Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 3:42 PM Subject: [nabs-l] A few reminders from the nabs board. Hello fellow students, We are fast approaching convention (can you believe it?) A few announcements/reminders from the national Association of Blind Students: 1. Don’t forget to register online for the nabs meeting that will take place on Sunday, July 4. Registration is at 6 p.m. and the meeting begins at 7; but if you want to be sure to avoid the long lines, simply go to www.nabslink.org and look for the “become a member of the national association of blind students” link on the home page. Once you do that, all you will have to do is pay your $5 registration fee and you’ll be good to go! 2. On Saturday evening from 8:00 to midnight, NABS will be hosting a Student Hospitality Night in the Affiliate Action Suite, Room 2372. Drop in for snacks, games, and the chance to meet and mingle with other blind high school, college, graduate and nontraditional students. Feel free to drop in and out while also enjoying salsa dancing, karaoke, or the Rookie Roundup, a gathering for first-time convention attendees. Should you have any questions about any of our nabs events, please feel free to contact any of the nabs board and we would love to answer them for you! -- Darian Smith Board member National Association of Blind Students Skype: The_Blind_Truth Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/goldengateace “We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 2 13:51:24 2010 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 06:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] first timer convention scholarship Message-ID: <48490.94617.qm@web53803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hello all, I have been awarded NFB first timers scholarship (a award of $600) and upon my notice I was told that there will be a time when all the people receiving the award need to come and collect their debet card with $600. Does anyone know when we collect this? thanks Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller From kc2992a at student.american.edu Fri Jul 2 15:30:08 2010 From: kc2992a at student.american.edu (Katy Carroll) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 11:30:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] question concerning Technology Accessibility Act Message-ID: Hi all, Would the technologies affected in the Technology Bill of Rights for the Blind (H.R. 4533) include the touchscreens for media entertainment that are common on many planes used for long-distance and international flights? Best, -- Kathryn CARROLL BlueLaw International LLP 703-647-7508 Cell: 631-521-3018 From gera1027 at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 15:38:52 2010 From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 10:38:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] What's your experiences with IPods Nanos and Rockbox? Message-ID: <004c01cb19fc$af16c870$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1> Hi guys: surely in your free time when on vacation all of you use some sort of MP3 player? I'm wanting to know what your experiences are in using IPods Nano First and second Generation with Rockbox installed? Among those is if with Rockbox does ITunes still need to be used as an interface between IPod and PC TO TRANSFER FILES? AND ALSO HOW EASY OR HARD IS Rockbox's instalation on the IPod? does one need to reformat the iPod first or installing the rockbox directly does the trick? Thanks in advanced for any info you might have. Gerardo From jsorozco at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 19:41:03 2010 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 15:41:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare Experiences Message-ID: <202A710B18F844C38D0FF72DA54662C0@Rufus> Hello, Can anyone share their experiences with Bookshare? I let my subscription expire a couple years ago, and from what I remember, the selection was good but the quality only somewhat satisfying. Now I see that NLS is listing Bookshare books as part of their Web Braille collection, which is a little annoying because I'd prefer books with no mistakes. I know it must sound snobbish, but with the availability of Braille being so slim, the resources that are devoted to Braille I'd rather have clean copies of. Has the quality improved? Are there proofreading mechanisms in place to reduce what I once found to be glaring flaws? Thanks for any information. Best, Joe "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 21:25:51 2010 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (dsmithnfb at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 15:25:51 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] first timer convention scholarship In-Reply-To: <48490.94617.qm@web53803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <48490.94617.qm@web53803.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I believe you willbe further notify as towhen an where Darian Sent from my iPhone On Jul 2, 2010, at 7:51 AM, Anmol Bhatia wrote: > Hello all, > I have been awarded NFB first timers scholarship (a award of $600) and upon my notice I was told that there will be a time when all the people receiving the award need to come and collect their debet card with $600. Does anyone know when we collect this? > thanks > Anmol > > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. > Hellen Keller > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Fri Jul 2 21:30:05 2010 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 14:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] first timer convention scholarship In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <540209.33872.qm@web53802.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Thanks man, When will we have the community service group meeting? cAnmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Fri, 7/2/10, dsmithnfb at gmail.com wrote: > From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] first timer convention scholarship > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date: Friday, July 2, 2010, 4:25 PM > I believe you willbe further notify > as towhen an where >   Darian > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 2, 2010, at 7:51 AM, Anmol Bhatia > wrote: > > > Hello all, > > I have been awarded NFB first timers scholarship (a > award of $600) and upon my notice I was told that there will > be a time when all the people receiving the award need to > come and collect their debet card with $600. Does anyone > know when we collect this? > > thanks > > Anmol > > > > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never > make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at > times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. > > Hellen Keller > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From aadkins7 at verizon.net Fri Jul 2 22:58:24 2010 From: aadkins7 at verizon.net (Anita Adkins) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 18:58:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] vacation/Blindness Blog reminder Message-ID: <90A13A290EE648A98867C86D32E94C0D@AnitaAdkinsPC> Hello to Everyone, I will be switching everything to nomail or a similar as I will be out of town for the next couple of weeks. Just FYI, The Blindness Blog about how to travel as a blind person is now posted. I will not be able to send reminders for the next couple of weeks, so please remember to check for a new post each Friday evening. www.blindnessblog.blogspot.com Anita Remember, Jesus Loves You. Anita Adkins 81 E. Mechanic ST APT 207 Frostburg, MD 21532 p: 301-689-5212 c: 301-876-8669 aadkins7 at verizon.net From liamskitten at gmail.com Fri Jul 2 23:19:28 2010 From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Courtney Stover) Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 18:19:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare Experiences In-Reply-To: <202A710B18F844C38D0FF72DA54662C0@Rufus> References: <202A710B18F844C38D0FF72DA54662C0@Rufus> Message-ID: Joe, Bookshare's quality has improved exponentially. There have been a number of new developments within the collection. Firstly there are a number of publishing houses providing EPub copies of their titles to bookshare; I can't produce a full list off the top of my head, but if you'd like a list, I can give you the link to the section of bookshare's site that has one. The copy provided by publishers is nearly flawless in terms of scanning quality. There are lacks; sometimes, page numbers aren't provided. However, most of the books provided are fiction, so it really doesn't matter. As bookshare partners with more university and other presses primarily publishing research/scholarly matterial, they're looking in to methods to ensure that page numbers are always present in these types of books. Secondly, they've hired a number of independent contractors that now scan a large majority of the books not provided by publishers. The woman in charge of approving books for inclusion in the collection looks over these books carefully, and if there are a substantial number of scanning errors, they're sent back for rescanning, and the contractors aren't paid until they get it right. Thirdly, bookshare is no longer accepting fair quality scans. This will reduce the issues with quality substantially. Now, their only ratings are good and excellent, and while selections rated good aren't absolutely perfect, they're immensely better than fair. Also, they're replacing all fair quality submissions in the collection with excellent scans through their independent contractors. Finally, they've instituted something called a "quality report" If a book is reported as having substandard quality, it's reviewed by a bookshare employee. Usually, it's determined that these books need rescanning, and within one to two months, an excellent copy resides in the collection. There are still volunteers scanning for the collection; however, the woman approving books for the collection has really cracked down on things like large blocks of text that are illegible or missing pages. This means that often volunteer submissions are rejected, and the volunteer is asked to rescan. The volunteer submissions that make it in to the collection are really good; and if you find an unsatisfactory submission, a quality report should take care of the problem. If there are questions you have I didn't answer, let me know. Courtney On 7/2/10, Joe Orozco wrote: > Hello, > > Can anyone share their experiences with Bookshare? I let my subscription > expire a couple years ago, and from what I remember, the selection was good > but the quality only somewhat satisfying. Now I see that NLS is listing > Bookshare books as part of their Web Braille collection, which is a little > annoying because I'd prefer books with no mistakes. I know it must sound > snobbish, but with the availability of Braille being so slim, the resources > that are devoted to Braille I'd rather have clean copies of. Has the > quality improved? Are there proofreading mechanisms in place to reduce what > I once found to be glaring flaws? Thanks for any information. > > Best, > > Joe > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Sat Jul 3 02:07:01 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 21:07:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Alabama Students List Message-ID: I am pleased to be able to tell you that the Alabama Association of Blind Students now has its own list. It is called AABS-Forum. To join the list you can either go to: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/aabs-forum_nfbnet.org or send e-mail to aabs-forum-request at nfbnet.org and put the word subscribe in the subject line by itself. Dave David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From dandrews at visi.com Sat Jul 3 02:23:53 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2010 21:23:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare Experiences In-Reply-To: <202A710B18F844C38D0FF72DA54662C0@Rufus> References: <202A710B18F844C38D0FF72DA54662C0@Rufus> Message-ID: They have taken some steps to improve the quality, raised the bar a little, and got rid of some really bad stuff. It isn't perfect, but quite a bit better. Dave At 02:41 PM 7/2/2010, you wrote: >Hello, > >Can anyone share their experiences with Bookshare? I let my subscription >expire a couple years ago, and from what I remember, the selection was good >but the quality only somewhat satisfying. Now I see that NLS is listing >Bookshare books as part of their Web Braille collection, which is a little >annoying because I'd prefer books with no mistakes. I know it must sound >snobbish, but with the availability of Braille being so slim, the resources >that are devoted to Braille I'd rather have clean copies of. Has the >quality improved? Are there proofreading mechanisms in place to reduce what >I once found to be glaring flaws? Thanks for any information. > >Best, > >Joe David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From dandrews at visi.com Sun Jul 4 01:04:03 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 20:04:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible HD Radio Message-ID: I have used this radio a little -- and it does work. David Andrews >Hi Gang, > >I got the message below from the blind hams list. As this has to do >with an accessible >broadcast HD radio I thought I'd post it here. See >www.diceelectronics.com/itr100a-info >for more details. > >Dave > >Several months ago, someone on this list asked about an accessible HD >Radio. > >I replied that such a unit was on the horizon, but that I could not >disclose what I knew about it at the time. That was because I was part >of a volunteer advisory team from the International Association of >Audio Information Services, IAAIS, the organization of radio reading >service professionals, which was working with Dice Electronics toward >the release of this receiver. > >Below is information about the iTR-100A Vision Free HD Radio from the >Dice Electronics Website: > >This unit began shipping last week, but I strongly suspect quantities >are limited. > >Important Notes: > >1. The accessible model is the iTR-100A. > >2. The receiver also works for AM HD, although the information below >doesn't mention that fact. > >3. The radio reading service feature referenced below is *not the 67 >or 92 KHZ analogue FM sub-carrier. It is a new digital authorization >scheme to instruct an HD receiver to receive a digital Radio Reading >Service signal. All I can say about this feature is that it will be >tested in selected radio reading service stations soon. > >You will find the information which appears below my signature, along >with accessible downloadable documentation, and ordering information >for the radio in the iTR-100A link near the top of the Dice >Electronics website. > >http://www.diceelectronics.com > >Mike Duke, K5XU, Director, >Radio Reading Service of Mississippi > >Based on the popular DICE iTR-100 tabletop HD Radio(tm), this unit was >designed with special consideration for the visually impaired. >Practical voice prompts >and audible feedback have been added which makes operating the >iTR-100A simple and intuitive. > >Each button press is followed by an audio queue to help guide the user >through actions such as station browsing or setting up the alarm >clock. All buttons >and knobs are arranged and spaced apart with ease of use in mind. The >compact size of the unit makes it easy to enjoy the enhanced >noise-free sound quality >of HD Radio or RRS (Radio Reading Service) at home or in your office. > >iTR-100A Vision Free HD Radio Features > >Audio Feedback: Voice announcements are made to guide the user through >each button press. Radio station information, time and settings are >all assisted >by vocal queues. > >RRS Capable: Register the radio's serial number with a local Radio >Reading Service provider to access the RRS content. > > Alarm Clock: Announces the current time on wake and begins to play >preset radio station. > >Access to Multicast Channels: Access more content with HD Radio's >Multicast channels. These are HD2 and HD3 channels found on HD Radio >frequencies. > David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From dandrews at visi.com Sun Jul 4 01:11:31 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 20:11:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Freedom Scientific Announces PAC Mate Omni 6.5 Release Message-ID: > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > >Media Contact: Brad Davis >800-444-4443 or 727-803-8000 >www.FreedomScientific.com >Sales: info at FreedomScientific.com > >The World's Most Versatile Notetaker Extends Its Lead with Release of >PAC Mate Omni 6.5 (St. Petersburg, Florida - July 3, 2010) - Freedom >Scientific today announced the next release of its popular accessible >Pocket PC - PAC MateT Omni 6.5. Already an industry leader in >accessible mobile functionality for the blind, the free 6.5 release >for English language users expands the PAC Mate Omni's capabilities >with an array of new features: > >RealSpeakT Voices Since Freedom Scientific introduced the RealSpeak® >voices in JAWS®, MAGic®, and OpenBook®, many customers have enjoyed >the more natural sound, particularly for reading lengthy texts. Many >have asked for these voices with the PAC Mate Omni. With Release 6.5, >you can easily switch between Eloquence and RealSpeak synthesized >speech with a simple command from anywhere on the PAC Mate Omni. > >RealSpeak is available in many languages, further heightening the PAC >Mate Omni's appeal among those who work with multiple languages. > >Expanded settings dialogs in the PAC Mate Omni 6.5 provide thorough >independent control over primary and secondary voices and Braille >languages. > >TwitterT Client The popular social networking site Twitter has become a >huge hit with many blind people because it is exclusively text-based. >Freedom Scientific has collaborated with Trinket Software to include >support for its Twikini client in the PAC Mate Omni. Wherever you have >an Internet connection, you can tweet, check your mentions and direct >messages, and review your Twitter timeline. If your preference is for >Braille input, you can tweet in contracted Braille. > >Unified Instant Messaging with Mundu® IM The PAC Mate Omni continues to >offer free Windows LiveT Messenger support out of the box. With the 6. >5 release, we've added support for Mundu IM, a unified instant >messaging solution supporting a number of services including MSN®, >Yahoo®, ICQ®, AIMT, Google®, and Jabber®. Chat with your buddies in >real time, no matter what the service. The PAC Mate Omni with Mundu IM >gives the deaf blind access to the many relay services that interface >with AOL®, and instant messaging is available in contracted Braille, >letting messages fly back and forth even faster. Mundu IM is available >for purchase separately. > >Built-in FSReaderTDAISY Player Freedom Scientific's FSReader software >opens a world of accessible reading material for the visually impaired. >Used with Digital Accessible Information System (DAISY)-formatted >talking books, FSReader delivers a host of powerful navigation tools >for reading: > >a.. Go directly to a specific chapter, heading, or page b.. Set an >unlimited number of annotated bookmarks c.. Speed up or slow down >speech whether listening to a recorded narrator or synthesized speech >Download or purchase on CD DAISY 2.0 and DAISY 3.0 e-books (the >ANSI/NISO standard) like those available from www.Bookshare.org, and >browse, read, and study. Play AudioPlus® books from Recording for the >Blind & Dyslexic® (RFB&D®). > >There are numerous other enhancements and performance improvements in >the PAC Mate 6.5. Coupled with the powerful Microsoft Office® support, >e-mail options, and other applications already in the PAC Mate, the 6. >5 release continues to broaden the range of tasks one can accomplish on >the go with this multi-faceted device. > >Release 6.5 will be available in August as a free download from the >Freedom Scientific Web site. > >About Freedom Scientific Freedom Scientific is the leading worldwide >provider of assistive technology products for those with vision >impairments. The Company sells its products worldwide and has offices >in Florida and Switzerland. The Company's products have been >translated into 24 languages and are available in 55 countries. >Freedom also has a line of software products for those with learning >disabilities. > >Freedom Scientific®, PAC Mate OmniT, JAWS®, MAGic®, OpenBook®, and >FSReaderT are either trademarks or registered trademarks in the United >States and/or other countries. The names of actual companies and >products mentioned herein may be the trademarks of their respective >owners. David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From darrell.shandrow at gmail.com Sun Jul 4 01:53:50 2010 From: darrell.shandrow at gmail.com (Darrell Shandrow) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 18:53:50 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible HD Radio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C2FE9AE.8000606@gmail.com> Hello David, Does the radio just read out frequencies and other items internal to itself or can it also read the title streaming coming across too? On 7/3/2010 6:04 PM, David Andrews wrote: > I have used this radio a little -- and it does work. > > David Andrews > > >> Hi Gang, >> >> I got the message below from the blind hams list. As this has to do >> with an accessible >> broadcast HD radio I thought I'd post it here. See >> www.diceelectronics.com/itr100a-info >> for more details. >> >> Dave >> >> Several months ago, someone on this list asked about an accessible HD >> Radio. >> >> I replied that such a unit was on the horizon, but that I could not >> disclose what I knew about it at the time. That was because I was part >> of a volunteer advisory team from the International Association of >> Audio Information Services, IAAIS, the organization of radio reading >> service professionals, which was working with Dice Electronics toward >> the release of this receiver. >> >> Below is information about the iTR-100A Vision Free HD Radio from the >> Dice Electronics Website: >> >> This unit began shipping last week, but I strongly suspect quantities >> are limited. >> >> Important Notes: >> >> 1. The accessible model is the iTR-100A. >> >> 2. The receiver also works for AM HD, although the information below >> doesn't mention that fact. >> >> 3. The radio reading service feature referenced below is *not the 67 >> or 92 KHZ analogue FM sub-carrier. It is a new digital authorization >> scheme to instruct an HD receiver to receive a digital Radio Reading >> Service signal. All I can say about this feature is that it will be >> tested in selected radio reading service stations soon. >> >> You will find the information which appears below my signature, along >> with accessible downloadable documentation, and ordering information >> for the radio in the iTR-100A link near the top of the Dice >> Electronics website. >> >> http://www.diceelectronics.com >> >> Mike Duke, K5XU, Director, >> Radio Reading Service of Mississippi >> >> Based on the popular DICE iTR-100 tabletop HD Radio(tm), this unit was >> designed with special consideration for the visually impaired. >> Practical voice prompts >> and audible feedback have been added which makes operating the >> iTR-100A simple and intuitive. >> >> Each button press is followed by an audio queue to help guide the user >> through actions such as station browsing or setting up the alarm >> clock. All buttons >> and knobs are arranged and spaced apart with ease of use in mind. The >> compact size of the unit makes it easy to enjoy the enhanced >> noise-free sound quality >> of HD Radio or RRS (Radio Reading Service) at home or in your office. >> >> iTR-100A Vision Free HD Radio Features >> >> Audio Feedback: Voice announcements are made to guide the user through >> each button press. Radio station information, time and settings are >> all assisted >> by vocal queues. >> >> RRS Capable: Register the radio's serial number with a local Radio >> Reading Service provider to access the RRS content. >> >> Alarm Clock: Announces the current time on wake and begins to play >> preset radio station. >> >> Access to Multicast Channels: Access more content with HD Radio's >> Multicast channels. These are HD2 and HD3 channels found on HD Radio >> frequencies. >> > > David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/darrell.shandrow%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Sun Jul 4 02:04:43 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 21:04:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible HD Radio In-Reply-To: <4C2FE9AE.8000606@gmail.com> References: <4C2FE9AE.8000606@gmail.com> Message-ID: Just the frequencies etc., not the titles and other info. Dave At 08:53 PM 7/3/2010, you wrote: > Hello David, > >Does the radio just read out frequencies and other items internal to >itself or can it also read the title streaming coming across too? > >On 7/3/2010 6:04 PM, David Andrews wrote: >>I have used this radio a little -- and it does work. >> >>David Andrews >> >> >>>Hi Gang, >>> >>>I got the message below from the blind hams list. As this has to >>>do with an accessible >>>broadcast HD radio I thought I'd post it here. See >>>www.diceelectronics.com/itr100a-info >>>for more details. >>> >>>Dave >>> >>>Several months ago, someone on this list asked about an accessible HD >>>Radio. >>> >>>I replied that such a unit was on the horizon, but that I could not >>>disclose what I knew about it at the time. That was because I was part >>>of a volunteer advisory team from the International Association of >>>Audio Information Services, IAAIS, the organization of radio reading >>>service professionals, which was working with Dice Electronics toward >>>the release of this receiver. >>> >>>Below is information about the iTR-100A Vision Free HD Radio from the >>>Dice Electronics Website: >>> >>>This unit began shipping last week, but I strongly suspect quantities >>>are limited. >>> >>>Important Notes: >>> >>>1. The accessible model is the iTR-100A. >>> >>>2. The receiver also works for AM HD, although the information below >>>doesn't mention that fact. >>> >>>3. The radio reading service feature referenced below is *not the 67 >>>or 92 KHZ analogue FM sub-carrier. It is a new digital authorization >>>scheme to instruct an HD receiver to receive a digital Radio Reading >>>Service signal. All I can say about this feature is that it will be >>>tested in selected radio reading service stations soon. >>> >>>You will find the information which appears below my signature, along >>>with accessible downloadable documentation, and ordering information >>>for the radio in the iTR-100A link near the top of the Dice >>>Electronics website. >>> >>>http://www.diceelectronics.com >>> >>>Mike Duke, K5XU, Director, >>>Radio Reading Service of Mississippi >>> >>>Based on the popular DICE iTR-100 tabletop HD Radio(tm), this unit was >>>designed with special consideration for the visually impaired. >>>Practical voice prompts >>>and audible feedback have been added which makes operating the >>>iTR-100A simple and intuitive. >>> >>>Each button press is followed by an audio queue to help guide the user >>>through actions such as station browsing or setting up the alarm >>>clock. All buttons >>>and knobs are arranged and spaced apart with ease of use in mind. The >>>compact size of the unit makes it easy to enjoy the enhanced >>>noise-free sound quality >>>of HD Radio or RRS (Radio Reading Service) at home or in your office. >>> >>>iTR-100A Vision Free HD Radio Features >>> >>>Audio Feedback: Voice announcements are made to guide the user through >>>each button press. Radio station information, time and settings are >>>all assisted >>>by vocal queues. >>> >>>RRS Capable: Register the radio's serial number with a local Radio >>>Reading Service provider to access the RRS content. >>> >>> Alarm Clock: Announces the current time on wake and begins to play >>>preset radio station. >>> >>>Access to Multicast Channels: Access more content with HD Radio's >>>Multicast channels. These are HD2 and HD3 channels found on HD Radio >>>frequencies. David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From minesm at me.com Sun Jul 4 05:21:28 2010 From: minesm at me.com (Maurice Mines) Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 23:21:28 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible HD Radio In-Reply-To: References: <4C2FE9AE.8000606@gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh, I actually have a follow-up question somewhat? If so it only reads the frequencies so for instance if I'm listening to 97.1, HD one for instance? That's all that it will be? I think the reason why it only reads that is because the frequency information that the only thing that actually would stay constant in the display? I'm also assuming then that this would handle the newer radio reading service standard? I hope I'm understanding this all correctly? I look forward to reading your answer. And happy Fourth of July as well. On Jul 3, 2010, at 8:04 PM, David Andrews wrote: > Just the frequencies etc., not the titles and other info. > > Dave > > At 08:53 PM 7/3/2010, you wrote: >> Hello David, >> >> Does the radio just read out frequencies and other items internal to itself or can it also read the title streaming coming across too? >> >> On 7/3/2010 6:04 PM, David Andrews wrote: >>> I have used this radio a little -- and it does work. >>> >>> David Andrews >>> >>> >>>> Hi Gang, >>>> >>>> I got the message below from the blind hams list. As this has to do with an accessible >>>> broadcast HD radio I thought I'd post it here. See www.diceelectronics.com/itr100a-info >>>> for more details. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> Several months ago, someone on this list asked about an accessible HD >>>> Radio. >>>> >>>> I replied that such a unit was on the horizon, but that I could not >>>> disclose what I knew about it at the time. That was because I was part >>>> of a volunteer advisory team from the International Association of >>>> Audio Information Services, IAAIS, the organization of radio reading >>>> service professionals, which was working with Dice Electronics toward >>>> the release of this receiver. >>>> >>>> Below is information about the iTR-100A Vision Free HD Radio from the >>>> Dice Electronics Website: >>>> >>>> This unit began shipping last week, but I strongly suspect quantities >>>> are limited. >>>> >>>> Important Notes: >>>> >>>> 1. The accessible model is the iTR-100A. >>>> >>>> 2. The receiver also works for AM HD, although the information below >>>> doesn't mention that fact. >>>> >>>> 3. The radio reading service feature referenced below is *not the 67 >>>> or 92 KHZ analogue FM sub-carrier. It is a new digital authorization >>>> scheme to instruct an HD receiver to receive a digital Radio Reading >>>> Service signal. All I can say about this feature is that it will be >>>> tested in selected radio reading service stations soon. >>>> >>>> You will find the information which appears below my signature, along >>>> with accessible downloadable documentation, and ordering information >>>> for the radio in the iTR-100A link near the top of the Dice >>>> Electronics website. >>>> >>>> http://www.diceelectronics.com >>>> >>>> Mike Duke, K5XU, Director, >>>> Radio Reading Service of Mississippi >>>> >>>> Based on the popular DICE iTR-100 tabletop HD Radio(tm), this unit was >>>> designed with special consideration for the visually impaired. >>>> Practical voice prompts >>>> and audible feedback have been added which makes operating the >>>> iTR-100A simple and intuitive. >>>> >>>> Each button press is followed by an audio queue to help guide the user >>>> through actions such as station browsing or setting up the alarm >>>> clock. All buttons >>>> and knobs are arranged and spaced apart with ease of use in mind. The >>>> compact size of the unit makes it easy to enjoy the enhanced >>>> noise-free sound quality >>>> of HD Radio or RRS (Radio Reading Service) at home or in your office. >>>> >>>> iTR-100A Vision Free HD Radio Features >>>> >>>> Audio Feedback: Voice announcements are made to guide the user through >>>> each button press. Radio station information, time and settings are >>>> all assisted >>>> by vocal queues. >>>> >>>> RRS Capable: Register the radio's serial number with a local Radio >>>> Reading Service provider to access the RRS content. >>>> >>>> Alarm Clock: Announces the current time on wake and begins to play >>>> preset radio station. >>>> >>>> Access to Multicast Channels: Access more content with HD Radio's >>>> Multicast channels. These are HD2 and HD3 channels found on HD Radio >>>> frequencies. > > David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minesm%40me.com maurice amateur radio call sign,kd0iko. national Federation of the blind of Cole Rondo assisted newsline coordinator, office phone 970. 373-3076 Northern Colorado amateur radio club tried Vander, newsletter editor. University of Northern Colorado student e-mail address , mine1533 at bears.unco.edu. note this message has been dictate by using MacSpeech dictate, Some words may be spelled incorrectl, may also be in the wrong context. Please forgive any errors in the text of this communication. Thank you very much forreading this. From darrell.shandrow at gmail.com Sun Jul 4 12:55:09 2010 From: darrell.shandrow at gmail.com (Darrell Shandrow) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2010 05:55:09 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible HD Radio In-Reply-To: References: <4C2FE9AE.8000606@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C3084AD.2070705@gmail.com> Hello Maurice, Yes. This means the radio doesn't really provide true accessibility. Maybe it doesn't have real text-to-speech but relies on recorded voice guidance. In any case, the unit is disappointing and I won't bother getting one until a truly accessible HD Radio is available. :-( On 7/3/2010 10:21 PM, Maurice Mines wrote: > Oh, I actually have a follow-up question somewhat? If so it only reads the frequencies so for instance if I'm listening to 97.1, HD one for instance? That's all that it will be? I think the reason why it only reads that is because the frequency information that the only thing that actually would stay constant in the display? I'm also assuming then that this would handle the newer radio reading service standard? I hope I'm understanding this all correctly? I look forward to reading your answer. And happy Fourth of July as well. > On Jul 3, 2010, at 8:04 PM, David Andrews wrote: > >> Just the frequencies etc., not the titles and other info. >> >> Dave >> >> At 08:53 PM 7/3/2010, you wrote: >>> Hello David, >>> >>> Does the radio just read out frequencies and other items internal to itself or can it also read the title streaming coming across too? >>> >>> On 7/3/2010 6:04 PM, David Andrews wrote: >>>> I have used this radio a little -- and it does work. >>>> >>>> David Andrews >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Gang, >>>>> >>>>> I got the message below from the blind hams list. As this has to do with an accessible >>>>> broadcast HD radio I thought I'd post it here. See www.diceelectronics.com/itr100a-info >>>>> for more details. >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> Several months ago, someone on this list asked about an accessible HD >>>>> Radio. >>>>> >>>>> I replied that such a unit was on the horizon, but that I could not >>>>> disclose what I knew about it at the time. That was because I was part >>>>> of a volunteer advisory team from the International Association of >>>>> Audio Information Services, IAAIS, the organization of radio reading >>>>> service professionals, which was working with Dice Electronics toward >>>>> the release of this receiver. >>>>> >>>>> Below is information about the iTR-100A Vision Free HD Radio from the >>>>> Dice Electronics Website: >>>>> >>>>> This unit began shipping last week, but I strongly suspect quantities >>>>> are limited. >>>>> >>>>> Important Notes: >>>>> >>>>> 1. The accessible model is the iTR-100A. >>>>> >>>>> 2. The receiver also works for AM HD, although the information below >>>>> doesn't mention that fact. >>>>> >>>>> 3. The radio reading service feature referenced below is *not the 67 >>>>> or 92 KHZ analogue FM sub-carrier. It is a new digital authorization >>>>> scheme to instruct an HD receiver to receive a digital Radio Reading >>>>> Service signal. All I can say about this feature is that it will be >>>>> tested in selected radio reading service stations soon. >>>>> >>>>> You will find the information which appears below my signature, along >>>>> with accessible downloadable documentation, and ordering information >>>>> for the radio in the iTR-100A link near the top of the Dice >>>>> Electronics website. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.diceelectronics.com >>>>> >>>>> Mike Duke, K5XU, Director, >>>>> Radio Reading Service of Mississippi >>>>> >>>>> Based on the popular DICE iTR-100 tabletop HD Radio(tm), this unit was >>>>> designed with special consideration for the visually impaired. >>>>> Practical voice prompts >>>>> and audible feedback have been added which makes operating the >>>>> iTR-100A simple and intuitive. >>>>> >>>>> Each button press is followed by an audio queue to help guide the user >>>>> through actions such as station browsing or setting up the alarm >>>>> clock. All buttons >>>>> and knobs are arranged and spaced apart with ease of use in mind. The >>>>> compact size of the unit makes it easy to enjoy the enhanced >>>>> noise-free sound quality >>>>> of HD Radio or RRS (Radio Reading Service) at home or in your office. >>>>> >>>>> iTR-100A Vision Free HD Radio Features >>>>> >>>>> Audio Feedback: Voice announcements are made to guide the user through >>>>> each button press. Radio station information, time and settings are >>>>> all assisted >>>>> by vocal queues. >>>>> >>>>> RRS Capable: Register the radio's serial number with a local Radio >>>>> Reading Service provider to access the RRS content. >>>>> >>>>> Alarm Clock: Announces the current time on wake and begins to play >>>>> preset radio station. >>>>> >>>>> Access to Multicast Channels: Access more content with HD Radio's >>>>> Multicast channels. These are HD2 and HD3 channels found on HD Radio >>>>> frequencies. >> David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com >> Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minesm%40me.com > maurice amateur radio call sign,kd0iko. > national Federation of the blind of Cole Rondo assisted newsline coordinator, office phone 970. > 373-3076 Northern Colorado amateur radio club tried Vander, newsletter editor. University of Northern Colorado student e-mail address , mine1533 at bears.unco.edu. > note this message has been dictate by using MacSpeech dictate, Some words may be spelled incorrectl, may also be in the wrong context. > Please forgive any errors in the text of this communication. > Thank you very much forreading this. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/darrell.shandrow%40gmail.com From ginisd at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 4 16:35:42 2010 From: ginisd at sbcglobal.net (V Nork) Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 09:35:42 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible HD Radio In-Reply-To: <4C3084AD.2070705@gmail.com> References: <4C2FE9AE.8000606@gmail.com> <4C3084AD.2070705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0CCB9DFDF0B84C8A9C14D7726BA978DE@windows4c0ed96> Hello list, First, happy and festive fourth to all. This thread reminded me of a question that I have that is related to radio listening, but not specifically to HD radio..This is an open question to everyone, I am considering satellite radio. I would love to hear from anyone with information on this. It seems it would be educational to have a large sampling of broadcast music and talk, as is the case I think with satellite service such as Sirius radio. I would not mind paying a smallish monthly subscription fee which I think is typical with satellite radio. I am wondering how expensive the special receiver for satellite radio is? Where is the best place to buy this? Is it easy and somewhat accessible to use? I am interested in using it at home, somewhat like a tabletop radio. I would really be grateful for any input, Best, Ginnie -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darrell Shandrow Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 5:55 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible HD Radio Hello Maurice, Yes. This means the radio doesn't really provide true accessibility. Maybe it doesn't have real text-to-speech but relies on recorded voice guidance. In any case, the unit is disappointing and I won't bother getting one until a truly accessible HD Radio is available. :-( On 7/3/2010 10:21 PM, Maurice Mines wrote: > Oh, I actually have a follow-up question somewhat? If so it only reads the frequencies so for instance if I'm listening to 97.1, HD one for instance? That's all that it will be? I think the reason why it only reads that is because the frequency information that the only thing that actually would stay constant in the display? I'm also assuming then that this would handle the newer radio reading service standard? I hope I'm understanding this all correctly? I look forward to reading your answer. And happy Fourth of July as well. > On Jul 3, 2010, at 8:04 PM, David Andrews wrote: > >> Just the frequencies etc., not the titles and other info. >> >> Dave >> >> At 08:53 PM 7/3/2010, you wrote: >>> Hello David, >>> >>> Does the radio just read out frequencies and other items internal to itself or can it also read the title streaming coming across too? >>> >>> On 7/3/2010 6:04 PM, David Andrews wrote: >>>> I have used this radio a little -- and it does work. >>>> >>>> David Andrews >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Gang, >>>>> >>>>> I got the message below from the blind hams list. As this has to do with an accessible >>>>> broadcast HD radio I thought I'd post it here. See www.diceelectronics.com/itr100a-info >>>>> for more details. >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> Several months ago, someone on this list asked about an accessible HD >>>>> Radio. >>>>> >>>>> I replied that such a unit was on the horizon, but that I could not >>>>> disclose what I knew about it at the time. That was because I was part >>>>> of a volunteer advisory team from the International Association of >>>>> Audio Information Services, IAAIS, the organization of radio reading >>>>> service professionals, which was working with Dice Electronics toward >>>>> the release of this receiver. >>>>> >>>>> Below is information about the iTR-100A Vision Free HD Radio from the >>>>> Dice Electronics Website: >>>>> >>>>> This unit began shipping last week, but I strongly suspect quantities >>>>> are limited. >>>>> >>>>> Important Notes: >>>>> >>>>> 1. The accessible model is the iTR-100A. >>>>> >>>>> 2. The receiver also works for AM HD, although the information below >>>>> doesn't mention that fact. >>>>> >>>>> 3. The radio reading service feature referenced below is *not the 67 >>>>> or 92 KHZ analogue FM sub-carrier. It is a new digital authorization >>>>> scheme to instruct an HD receiver to receive a digital Radio Reading >>>>> Service signal. All I can say about this feature is that it will be >>>>> tested in selected radio reading service stations soon. >>>>> >>>>> You will find the information which appears below my signature, along >>>>> with accessible downloadable documentation, and ordering information >>>>> for the radio in the iTR-100A link near the top of the Dice >>>>> Electronics website. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.diceelectronics.com >>>>> >>>>> Mike Duke, K5XU, Director, >>>>> Radio Reading Service of Mississippi >>>>> >>>>> Based on the popular DICE iTR-100 tabletop HD Radio(tm), this unit was >>>>> designed with special consideration for the visually impaired. >>>>> Practical voice prompts >>>>> and audible feedback have been added which makes operating the >>>>> iTR-100A simple and intuitive. >>>>> >>>>> Each button press is followed by an audio queue to help guide the user >>>>> through actions such as station browsing or setting up the alarm >>>>> clock. All buttons >>>>> and knobs are arranged and spaced apart with ease of use in mind. The >>>>> compact size of the unit makes it easy to enjoy the enhanced >>>>> noise-free sound quality >>>>> of HD Radio or RRS (Radio Reading Service) at home or in your office. >>>>> >>>>> iTR-100A Vision Free HD Radio Features >>>>> >>>>> Audio Feedback: Voice announcements are made to guide the user through >>>>> each button press. Radio station information, time and settings are >>>>> all assisted >>>>> by vocal queues. >>>>> >>>>> RRS Capable: Register the radio's serial number with a local Radio >>>>> Reading Service provider to access the RRS content. >>>>> >>>>> Alarm Clock: Announces the current time on wake and begins to play >>>>> preset radio station. >>>>> >>>>> Access to Multicast Channels: Access more content with HD Radio's >>>>> Multicast channels. These are HD2 and HD3 channels found on HD Radio >>>>> frequencies. >> David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com >> Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minesm%40me.com > maurice amateur radio call sign,kd0iko. > national Federation of the blind of Cole Rondo assisted newsline coordinator, office phone 970. > 373-3076 Northern Colorado amateur radio club tried Vander, newsletter editor. University of Northern Colorado student e-mail address , mine1533 at bears.unco.edu. > note this message has been dictate by using MacSpeech dictate, Some words may be spelled incorrectl, may also be in the wrong context. > Please forgive any errors in the text of this communication. > Thank you very much forreading this. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/darrell.shandrow%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ginisd%40sbcglobal.n et From minesm at me.com Sun Jul 4 18:06:07 2010 From: minesm at me.com (Maurice Mines) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2010 12:06:07 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible HD Radio In-Reply-To: <4C3084AD.2070705@gmail.com> References: <4C2FE9AE.8000606@gmail.com> <4C3084AD.2070705@gmail.com> Message-ID: <93252ECE-C708-47A8-9DB8-67762165B63D@me.com> Hello, I have two very good Kenwood amateur radio transceivers. They give me the same information that we are discussing here in far in HD radio is concerned. I think that that would just be what is sufficient can. And less than there really is some meaningful need to have more information display, I think that for now that's good enough access. I think that we all have to decide just how much accessibility we want, and our were willing to pay for. I think that doing this with the radio is a good idea. My only concern is we should not necessarily have to pay a lot more money for the accessible unit then say the rest of the general public. For me having to amateur radio transceivers that have a $60 beach option is enough access to vital comfortable and operating equipment. Does this mean that I will never need cited help with the absolutely not. But choosing when and where to be concerned with accessibility is important I know that for some on this list that might seem a bit type let's think about how one of our esteemed national board members would look at, being that that esteemed national board member was my original chapter president, still is a very good friend, and is a bit of a technology hero if one can borrow a term. Have a great the rest of the Fourth of July, and let's continue the discussion hopefully. On Jul 4, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Darrell Shandrow wrote: > Hello Maurice, > > Yes. This means the radio doesn't really provide true accessibility. Maybe it doesn't have real text-to-speech but relies on recorded voice guidance. In any case, the unit is disappointing and I won't bother getting one until a truly accessible HD Radio is available. :-( > > On 7/3/2010 10:21 PM, Maurice Mines wrote: >> Oh, I actually have a follow-up question somewhat? If so it only reads the frequencies so for instance if I'm listening to 97.1, HD one for instance? That's all that it will be? I think the reason why it only reads that is because the frequency information that the only thing that actually would stay constant in the display? I'm also assuming then that this would handle the newer radio reading service standard? I hope I'm understanding this all correctly? I look forward to reading your answer. And happy Fourth of July as well. >> On Jul 3, 2010, at 8:04 PM, David Andrews wrote: >> >>> Just the frequencies etc., not the titles and other info. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 08:53 PM 7/3/2010, you wrote: >>>> Hello David, >>>> >>>> Does the radio just read out frequencies and other items internal to itself or can it also read the title streaming coming across too? >>>> >>>> On 7/3/2010 6:04 PM, David Andrews wrote: >>>>> I have used this radio a little -- and it does work. >>>>> >>>>> David Andrews >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Gang, >>>>>> >>>>>> I got the message below from the blind hams list. As this has to do with an accessible >>>>>> broadcast HD radio I thought I'd post it here. See www.diceelectronics.com/itr100a-info >>>>>> for more details. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> Several months ago, someone on this list asked about an accessible HD >>>>>> Radio. >>>>>> >>>>>> I replied that such a unit was on the horizon, but that I could not >>>>>> disclose what I knew about it at the time. That was because I was part >>>>>> of a volunteer advisory team from the International Association of >>>>>> Audio Information Services, IAAIS, the organization of radio reading >>>>>> service professionals, which was working with Dice Electronics toward >>>>>> the release of this receiver. >>>>>> >>>>>> Below is information about the iTR-100A Vision Free HD Radio from the >>>>>> Dice Electronics Website: >>>>>> >>>>>> This unit began shipping last week, but I strongly suspect quantities >>>>>> are limited. >>>>>> >>>>>> Important Notes: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. The accessible model is the iTR-100A. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. The receiver also works for AM HD, although the information below >>>>>> doesn't mention that fact. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. The radio reading service feature referenced below is *not the 67 >>>>>> or 92 KHZ analogue FM sub-carrier. It is a new digital authorization >>>>>> scheme to instruct an HD receiver to receive a digital Radio Reading >>>>>> Service signal. All I can say about this feature is that it will be >>>>>> tested in selected radio reading service stations soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> You will find the information which appears below my signature, along >>>>>> with accessible downloadable documentation, and ordering information >>>>>> for the radio in the iTR-100A link near the top of the Dice >>>>>> Electronics website. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.diceelectronics.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike Duke, K5XU, Director, >>>>>> Radio Reading Service of Mississippi >>>>>> >>>>>> Based on the popular DICE iTR-100 tabletop HD Radio(tm), this unit was >>>>>> designed with special consideration for the visually impaired. >>>>>> Practical voice prompts >>>>>> and audible feedback have been added which makes operating the >>>>>> iTR-100A simple and intuitive. >>>>>> >>>>>> Each button press is followed by an audio queue to help guide the user >>>>>> through actions such as station browsing or setting up the alarm >>>>>> clock. All buttons >>>>>> and knobs are arranged and spaced apart with ease of use in mind. The >>>>>> compact size of the unit makes it easy to enjoy the enhanced >>>>>> noise-free sound quality >>>>>> of HD Radio or RRS (Radio Reading Service) at home or in your office. >>>>>> >>>>>> iTR-100A Vision Free HD Radio Features >>>>>> >>>>>> Audio Feedback: Voice announcements are made to guide the user through >>>>>> each button press. Radio station information, time and settings are >>>>>> all assisted >>>>>> by vocal queues. >>>>>> >>>>>> RRS Capable: Register the radio's serial number with a local Radio >>>>>> Reading Service provider to access the RRS content. >>>>>> >>>>>> Alarm Clock: Announces the current time on wake and begins to play >>>>>> preset radio station. >>>>>> >>>>>> Access to Multicast Channels: Access more content with HD Radio's >>>>>> Multicast channels. These are HD2 and HD3 channels found on HD Radio >>>>>> frequencies. >>> David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com >>> Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minesm%40me.com >> maurice amateur radio call sign,kd0iko. >> national Federation of the blind of Cole Rondo assisted newsline coordinator, office phone 970. >> 373-3076 Northern Colorado amateur radio club tried Vander, newsletter editor. University of Northern Colorado student e-mail address , mine1533 at bears.unco.edu. >> note this message has been dictate by using MacSpeech dictate, Some words may be spelled incorrectl, may also be in the wrong context. >> Please forgive any errors in the text of this communication. >> Thank you very much forreading this. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/darrell.shandrow%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minesm%40me.com maurice amateur radio call sign,kd0iko. national Federation of the blind of Cole Rondo assisted newsline coordinator, office phone 970. 373-3076 Northern Colorado amateur radio club tried Vander, newsletter editor. University of Northern Colorado student e-mail address , mine1533 at bears.unco.edu. note this message has been dictate by using MacSpeech dictate, Some words may be spelled incorrectl, may also be in the wrong context. Please forgive any errors in the text of this communication. Thank you very much forreading this. From minesm at me.com Sun Jul 4 18:17:12 2010 From: minesm at me.com (Maurice Mines) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2010 12:17:12 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible HD Radio In-Reply-To: <0CCB9DFDF0B84C8A9C14D7726BA978DE@windows4c0ed96> References: <4C2FE9AE.8000606@gmail.com> <4C3084AD.2070705@gmail.com> <0CCB9DFDF0B84C8A9C14D7726BA978DE@windows4c0ed96> Message-ID: <8CCD9B88-F550-4F00-8A46-7A7CBE87FFE3@me.com> Hello, i.e. in a current serious radio subscriber, I use a receiver called the Spoleto to. I find it to be for the most part pretty accessible, for the things that I need. When I mean by that if you're listening to the radio why changing channels with the wheel center is recently easy, because I'd say roughly 85% of the channels have a verbal announcement as to their channel number, and type of music and/or other programming that they have on the channel. Also the radio if you choose to home option does have a remote that you can punch in whatever channel you wish to listen to. If you get the best of XM along with the music subscription, if you've tuned to a couple channeled in that range, you get a daily synopsis of what sporting events are playing in the best of XM and their channel assignments. So if that's what you're wishing to do then I would say that it is for the most part very accessible. I like the Spoleto to because I can listen to it at home with the home dock that I have, i.e. can sometimes listen to it while I'm trips, I do use it on our student admissions mentoring trips between really where I go to school and live, and Colorado Springs Colorado where the school for the deaf and blind is located. The stiletto two has a built-in satellite receiver, it also has headphones that have a satellite antenna in them. On this unit there is also a standard mini headphone jack soak you wish to plug in headphones other than the ones that are supplied you can do that. And for those that have significant others, and were spouses the dry. I believe that the car kit available for this unit is well. Pricing that I know of, is roughly 12 or $13 a month. In the package that I am subscribed to that gets me the music, and everything else did serious offers, plus the best of XM. Which for me is great because during football and basketball seasons I get most if not all of the games that are on the air. This has been a great help of course because I can follow the Denver Broncos even when I'm not in their broadcast area. To those that are at convention openings are going well. And to everyone have a great Fourth of July. On Jul 4, 2010, at 10:35 AM, V Nork wrote: > Hello list, First, happy and festive fourth to all. This thread reminded me > of a question that I have that is related to radio listening, but not > specifically to HD radio..This is an open question to everyone, I am > considering satellite radio. I would love to hear from anyone with > information on this. It seems it would be educational to have a large > sampling of broadcast music and talk, as is the case I think with satellite > service such as Sirius radio. I would not mind paying a smallish monthly > subscription fee which I think is typical with satellite radio. I am > wondering how expensive the special receiver for satellite radio is? Where > is the best place to buy this? Is it easy and somewhat accessible to use? I > am interested in using it at home, somewhat like a tabletop radio. I would > really be grateful for any input, Best, Ginnie > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Darrell Shandrow > Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 5:55 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible HD Radio > > Hello Maurice, > > Yes. This means the radio doesn't really provide true accessibility. > Maybe it doesn't have real text-to-speech but relies on recorded voice > guidance. In any case, the unit is disappointing and I won't bother > getting one until a truly accessible HD Radio is available. :-( > > On 7/3/2010 10:21 PM, Maurice Mines wrote: >> Oh, I actually have a follow-up question somewhat? If so it only reads the > frequencies so for instance if I'm listening to 97.1, HD one for instance? > That's all that it will be? I think the reason why it only reads that is > because the frequency information that the only thing that actually would > stay constant in the display? I'm also assuming then that this would handle > the newer radio reading service standard? I hope I'm understanding this all > correctly? I look forward to reading your answer. And happy Fourth of July > as well. >> On Jul 3, 2010, at 8:04 PM, David Andrews wrote: >> >>> Just the frequencies etc., not the titles and other info. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 08:53 PM 7/3/2010, you wrote: >>>> Hello David, >>>> >>>> Does the radio just read out frequencies and other items internal to > itself or can it also read the title streaming coming across too? >>>> >>>> On 7/3/2010 6:04 PM, David Andrews wrote: >>>>> I have used this radio a little -- and it does work. >>>>> >>>>> David Andrews >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Gang, >>>>>> >>>>>> I got the message below from the blind hams list. As this has to do > with an accessible >>>>>> broadcast HD radio I thought I'd post it here. See > www.diceelectronics.com/itr100a-info >>>>>> for more details. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> Several months ago, someone on this list asked about an accessible HD >>>>>> Radio. >>>>>> >>>>>> I replied that such a unit was on the horizon, but that I could not >>>>>> disclose what I knew about it at the time. That was because I was part >>>>>> of a volunteer advisory team from the International Association of >>>>>> Audio Information Services, IAAIS, the organization of radio reading >>>>>> service professionals, which was working with Dice Electronics toward >>>>>> the release of this receiver. >>>>>> >>>>>> Below is information about the iTR-100A Vision Free HD Radio from the >>>>>> Dice Electronics Website: >>>>>> >>>>>> This unit began shipping last week, but I strongly suspect quantities >>>>>> are limited. >>>>>> >>>>>> Important Notes: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. The accessible model is the iTR-100A. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. The receiver also works for AM HD, although the information below >>>>>> doesn't mention that fact. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. The radio reading service feature referenced below is *not the 67 >>>>>> or 92 KHZ analogue FM sub-carrier. It is a new digital authorization >>>>>> scheme to instruct an HD receiver to receive a digital Radio Reading >>>>>> Service signal. All I can say about this feature is that it will be >>>>>> tested in selected radio reading service stations soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> You will find the information which appears below my signature, along >>>>>> with accessible downloadable documentation, and ordering information >>>>>> for the radio in the iTR-100A link near the top of the Dice >>>>>> Electronics website. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.diceelectronics.com >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike Duke, K5XU, Director, >>>>>> Radio Reading Service of Mississippi >>>>>> >>>>>> Based on the popular DICE iTR-100 tabletop HD Radio(tm), this unit was >>>>>> designed with special consideration for the visually impaired. >>>>>> Practical voice prompts >>>>>> and audible feedback have been added which makes operating the >>>>>> iTR-100A simple and intuitive. >>>>>> >>>>>> Each button press is followed by an audio queue to help guide the user >>>>>> through actions such as station browsing or setting up the alarm >>>>>> clock. All buttons >>>>>> and knobs are arranged and spaced apart with ease of use in mind. The >>>>>> compact size of the unit makes it easy to enjoy the enhanced >>>>>> noise-free sound quality >>>>>> of HD Radio or RRS (Radio Reading Service) at home or in your office. >>>>>> >>>>>> iTR-100A Vision Free HD Radio Features >>>>>> >>>>>> Audio Feedback: Voice announcements are made to guide the user through >>>>>> each button press. Radio station information, time and settings are >>>>>> all assisted >>>>>> by vocal queues. >>>>>> >>>>>> RRS Capable: Register the radio's serial number with a local Radio >>>>>> Reading Service provider to access the RRS content. >>>>>> >>>>>> Alarm Clock: Announces the current time on wake and begins to play >>>>>> preset radio station. >>>>>> >>>>>> Access to Multicast Channels: Access more content with HD Radio's >>>>>> Multicast channels. These are HD2 and HD3 channels found on HD Radio >>>>>> frequencies. >>> David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com >>> Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minesm%40me.com >> maurice amateur radio call sign,kd0iko. >> national Federation of the blind of Cole Rondo assisted newsline > coordinator, office phone 970. >> 373-3076 Northern Colorado amateur radio club tried Vander, newsletter > editor. University of Northern Colorado student e-mail address , > mine1533 at bears.unco.edu. >> note this message has been dictate by using MacSpeech dictate, Some > words may be spelled incorrectl, may also be in the wrong context. >> Please forgive any errors in the text of this communication. >> Thank you very much forreading this. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/darrell.shandrow%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ginisd%40sbcglobal.n > et > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minesm%40me.com maurice amateur radio call sign,kd0iko. national Federation of the blind of Cole Rondo assisted newsline coordinator, office phone 970. 373-3076 Northern Colorado amateur radio club tried Vander, newsletter editor. University of Northern Colorado student e-mail address , mine1533 at bears.unco.edu. note this message has been dictate by using MacSpeech dictate, Some words may be spelled incorrectl, may also be in the wrong context. Please forgive any errors in the text of this communication. Thank you very much forreading this. From dandrews at visi.com Sun Jul 4 18:25:11 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:25:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible HD Radio In-Reply-To: References: <4C2FE9AE.8000606@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think the answer to your questions are yes and yes. It only reads frequencies, because it is done with sound files, there isn't TTS. When you say "new reading service standard," there isn't really such a standard. You can use a HD frequency and put conditional access on it -- but no one has done it yet. Dave At 12:21 AM 7/4/2010, you wrote: >Oh, I actually have a follow-up question somewhat? If so it only >reads the frequencies so for instance if I'm listening to 97.1, HD >one for instance? That's all that it will be? I think the reason why >it only reads that is because the frequency information that the >only thing that actually would stay constant in the display? I'm >also assuming then that this would handle the newer radio reading >service standard? I hope I'm understanding this all correctly? I >look forward to reading your answer. And happy Fourth of July as well. >On Jul 3, 2010, at 8:04 PM, David Andrews wrote: > > > Just the frequencies etc., not the titles and other info. > > > > Dave > > > > At 08:53 PM 7/3/2010, you wrote: > >> Hello David, > >> > >> Does the radio just read out frequencies and other items > internal to itself or can it also read the title streaming coming across too? > >> > >> On 7/3/2010 6:04 PM, David Andrews wrote: > >>> I have used this radio a little -- and it does work. > >>> > >>> David Andrews > >>> > >>> > >>>> Hi Gang, > >>>> > >>>> I got the message below from the blind hams list. As this has > to do with an accessible > >>>> broadcast HD radio I thought I'd post it here. See > www.diceelectronics.com/itr100a-info > >>>> for more details. > >>>> > >>>> Dave > >>>> > >>>> Several months ago, someone on this list asked about an accessible HD > >>>> Radio. > >>>> > >>>> I replied that such a unit was on the horizon, but that I could not > >>>> disclose what I knew about it at the time. That was because I was part > >>>> of a volunteer advisory team from the International Association of > >>>> Audio Information Services, IAAIS, the organization of radio reading > >>>> service professionals, which was working with Dice Electronics toward > >>>> the release of this receiver. > >>>> > >>>> Below is information about the iTR-100A Vision Free HD Radio from the > >>>> Dice Electronics Website: > >>>> > >>>> This unit began shipping last week, but I strongly suspect quantities > >>>> are limited. > >>>> > >>>> Important Notes: > >>>> > >>>> 1. The accessible model is the iTR-100A. > >>>> > >>>> 2. The receiver also works for AM HD, although the information below > >>>> doesn't mention that fact. > >>>> > >>>> 3. The radio reading service feature referenced below is *not the 67 > >>>> or 92 KHZ analogue FM sub-carrier. It is a new digital authorization > >>>> scheme to instruct an HD receiver to receive a digital Radio Reading > >>>> Service signal. All I can say about this feature is that it will be > >>>> tested in selected radio reading service stations soon. > >>>> > >>>> You will find the information which appears below my signature, along > >>>> with accessible downloadable documentation, and ordering information > >>>> for the radio in the iTR-100A link near the top of the Dice > >>>> Electronics website. > >>>> > >>>> http://www.diceelectronics.com > >>>> > >>>> Mike Duke, K5XU, Director, > >>>> Radio Reading Service of Mississippi > >>>> > >>>> Based on the popular DICE iTR-100 tabletop HD Radio(tm), this unit was > >>>> designed with special consideration for the visually impaired. > >>>> Practical voice prompts > >>>> and audible feedback have been added which makes operating the > >>>> iTR-100A simple and intuitive. > >>>> > >>>> Each button press is followed by an audio queue to help guide the user > >>>> through actions such as station browsing or setting up the alarm > >>>> clock. All buttons > >>>> and knobs are arranged and spaced apart with ease of use in mind. The > >>>> compact size of the unit makes it easy to enjoy the enhanced > >>>> noise-free sound quality > >>>> of HD Radio or RRS (Radio Reading Service) at home or in your office. > >>>> > >>>> iTR-100A Vision Free HD Radio Features > >>>> > >>>> Audio Feedback: Voice announcements are made to guide the user through > >>>> each button press. Radio station information, time and settings are > >>>> all assisted > >>>> by vocal queues. > >>>> > >>>> RRS Capable: Register the radio's serial number with a local Radio > >>>> Reading Service provider to access the RRS content. > >>>> > >>>> Alarm Clock: Announces the current time on wake and begins to play > >>>> preset radio station. > >>>> > >>>> Access to Multicast Channels: Access more content with HD Radio's > >>>> Multicast channels. These are HD2 and HD3 channels found on HD Radio > >>>> frequencies. > > > > David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com > > Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minesm%40me.com > >maurice amateur radio call sign,kd0iko. > national Federation of the blind of Cole Rondo assisted newsline > coordinator, office phone 970. >373-3076 Northern Colorado amateur radio club tried Vander, >newsletter editor. University of Northern Colorado student e-mail >address , mine1533 at bears.unco.edu. > note this message has been dictate by using MacSpeech > dictate, Some words may be spelled incorrectl, may also be in the > wrong context. >Please forgive any errors in the text of this communication. >Thank you very much forreading this. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 5249 (20100703) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From dandrews at visi.com Sun Jul 4 18:29:01 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 04 Jul 2010 13:29:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Article from Minneapolis Star-Tribune Science And Technology 2010 07 02 Message-ID: >From: NFB-NEWSLINE Online >To: David Andrews >Subject: Article from Minneapolis Star-Tribune >Science And Technology 2010 07 02 >Date: Sun, > 4 Jul 2010 00:51:42 -0400 (EDT) > >That driver must be blind! Someday he may be; >group to show high-tech car the blind can >drive By KEN THOMAS , Associated >Press WASHINGTON - Could a blind person >drive a car? Researchers are trying to make that >far-fetched notion a reality. The National >Federation of the Blind and Virginia Tech plan >to demonstrate a prototype vehicle next year >equipped with technology that helps a blind >person drive a car independently. The >technology, called "nonvisual interfaces," uses >sensors to let a blind driver maneuver a car >based on information transmitted to him about >his surroundings: whether another car or object >is nearby, in front of him or in a neighboring >lane. Advocates for the blind consider it a >"moon shot," a goal similar to President John F. >Kennedy's pledge to land a man on the moon. For >many blind people, driving a car long has been >considered impossible. But researchers hope the >project could revolutionize mobility and >challenge long-held assumptions about >limitations. We're exploring areas that have >previously been regarded as unexplorable," said >Dr. Marc Maurer, president of the National >Federation of the Blind. We're moving away from >the theory that blindness ends the capacity of >human beings to make contributions to society. >The Baltimore-based organization was announcing >its plans for the vehicle demonstration at a >news conference Friday in Daytona Beach, Fla. >Maurer first talked about building an automobile >that the blind could drive about a decade ago >when he launched the organization's research >institute. Some people thought I was crazy and >they thought, 'Why do you want us to raise money >for something that can't be done? Others thought >it was a great idea," Maurer said. Some people >were incredulous. Others thought the idea was >incredible. The vehicle has its roots in >Virginia Tech's 2007 entry into the DARPA Grand >Challenge, a competition for driverless vehicles >funded by the Defense Department's research arm. >The university's team won third place for a >self-driving vehicle that used sensors to >perceive traffic, avoid crashing into other cars >and objects and run like any other vehicle. >Following their success, Virginia Tech's team >responded to a challenge from the National >Federation of the Blind to help build a car that >could be driven by a blind person. Virginia Tech >first created a dune buggy as part of a >feasibility study that used sensor lasers and >cameras to act as the eyes of the vehicle. A >vibrating vest was used to direct the driver to >speed up, slow down or make turns. The blind >organization was impressed by the results and >urged the researchers to keep pushing. The >results will be demonstrated next January on a >modified Ford Escape sport utility vehicle at >the Daytona International Speedway before the >Rolex 24 race. The latest vehicle will use >nonvisual interfaces to help a blind driver >operate the car. One interface, called >DriveGrip, uses gloves with vibrating motors on >areas that cover the knuckles. The vibrations >signal to the driver when and where to turn. >Another interface, called AirPix, is a tablet >about half the size of a sheet of paper with >multiple air holes, almost like those found on >an air hockey game. Compressed air coming out of >the device helps inform the driver of his or her >surroundings, essentially creating a map of the >objects around a vehicle. It would show whether >there's another vehicle in a nearby lane or an >obstruction in the road. A blind person, who has >not yet been chosen, will drive the vehicle on a >course near the famed Daytona race track and >attempt to simulate a typical driving >experience. Dr. Dennis Hong, a mechanical >engineering professor at Virginia Tech who leads >the research, said the technology could someday >help a blind driver operate a vehicle but could >also be used on conventional vehicles to make >them safer or on other applications. Advocates >for the blind say it will take time before >society accepts the potential of blind drivers >and that the safety of the technology will need >to be proven through years of testing. But more >than anything, they say it's part of a broader >mission to change the way people perceive the >blind. Mark Riccobono, executive director of the >NFB's Jernigan Institute, said when he walks >down the street with his 3-year-old son, many >people might think he, as a blind person, is >being guided by his son. The idea that a >3-year-old takes care of me stems from what they >think about blindness," Riccobono said. That >will change when people see that we can do >something that they thought was >impossible." ___ Online: National >Federation of the >Blind: http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Default.asp © >2010 Star Tribune. All rights reserved. . > >This article is provided to you as a courtesy of >NFB-NEWSLINE® Online for your sole use. The >content of this E-mail is protected under >copyright law, and is not to be distributed in >any manner to others; infringement of our >non-dissemination agreement is strictly prohibited. > >Allowing someone to have access to this material >is in violation of the Terms of Use agreement >that you electronically signed when you signed >up for NFB-NEWSLINE® Online. Please do not >forward this E-mail or its attachments to any >other person or disseminate it in any manner. > >Thank you. > >The NFB-NEWSLINE® Team. David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From uconnresearcher at yahoo.com Tue Jul 6 13:27:36 2010 From: uconnresearcher at yahoo.com (Justin Rattner) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 06:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Technology Research - Univ. of Connecticut Message-ID: <177814.1832.qm@web120616.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Group, The following link is to a short academic survey designed to assess parent's attitudes towards a new technology that we hope may create a more engaging Braille reading experience for children. It also includes an accessible version for visually impaired respondents. If you’re a parent of a visually impaired child or have experience learning / reading Braille, please feel free to take it. http://www.zoomerang.com/Survey/WEB22AU2S3X345 Alternatively, if you have difficulty using the survey, please feel free to contact us Monday through Friday (9 – 5 pm EST) to take it over the phone. Thank you, Justin 860.728.2145 From dandrews at visi.com Tue Jul 6 20:54:57 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 15:54:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Android E-Mail and Barcode Reader Available Message-ID: > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > >Contact: Steve Jacobs >Phone: (614) 777-0660 >E-Mail: steve.jacobs at ideal-group.org > >Accessible Android E-Mail and Barcode Reader Available > >Open Source, Android Applications Released in >Support of Raising the Floor, Reducing the Cost, >and Leveling the Playing Field for Individuals with Disabilities > >HILLIARD, OH July 6, 2010 - IDEAL Group >Apps4Android, Inc. announced today the release >of the first Android e-mail reader for the >blind. The IDEAL K9 E-Mail® reader is accessible >using Google's Talkback and other Android >screenreaders. Also announced was the release of >IDEAL Item Identifier®, an Android-based barcode >reader. The barcode reader makes it possible to >quickly, easily, and accurately identify >products by using Android smartphones to read >barcodes on standard products. Both applications >have been open-sourced in support of the Raising >the Floor Initiative. http://raisingthefloor.net/ > >According to Steve Jacobs the President of IDEAL >Group, “Given the efforts Google has put into >Android, especially the work of their Eyes-Free >Project team, we are convinced that Google is >committed to making Android a world-class fully >accessible platform and we want to help Google get there faster.” > >IDEAL is also developing an open source Android >web browser for the blind. In addition, IDEAL is >developing an open source video magnification >application that enables individuals with low >vision to turn their Android smartphones into hand-held video magnifiers. > >Given the high cost of dedicated devices that >serve these purposes today, Jacobs hopes these >free, high-quality open source Android >applications will be Raising the Floor of >opportunities for individuals with print disabilities. > >Jacobs further stated, “While we plan to develop >accessible applications for other platforms in >the future, we love the openness of Android. It >makes it easy for developers to figure out how >programs function and has enabled us to innovate >much more rapidly and easily than on any other platform.” > >About IDEAL Group Apps4Android: > >Apps4Android, Inc. is dedicated to developing >low/no-cost, high-quality, Android applications >that enhance the quality-of-life, independence, >quality of education, and employability of >individuals with disabilities... and everyone >else! Apps4Android is the world’s largest >developer of speech-enabled Android applications >in the world with 750,000+ active users in 47 countries. For more information: >http://apps4android.org/ > >About Raising the Floor (RtF): > >Raising the Floor is an international consortium >of organizations and individuals focused on >ensuring that people experiencing disabilities, >literacy problems, or the effects of aging are >able to access and use all of the information, >resources, services, and communities available >on or through the Web. Of particular concern are >those with limited or no resources. For more information: >http://raisingthefloor.net/about > >### > >This work is supported in part with funds from >the National Institute on Disability and >Rehabilitation Research, U.S. Department of >Education, grant number H133E080022 to the >University of Wisconsin Trace R&D Center. Users >of IDEAL K9 E-Mail® and IDEAL Item Identifier® >should not assume endorsement by either the >Department of Education or the federal government. > David Andrews and long white cane Harry, dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From kylaann at cox.net Wed Jul 7 01:10:14 2010 From: kylaann at cox.net (Kyla Chittenden) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 20:10:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone vs mobile speaks Message-ID: I am in the market for a new cell phone and I'm wondering which rout I should go? An iphone or smart phone with mobile speaks? Do any of you have any helpful advice? I currently use the N75 with an older version of mobile speaks, and I like it okay (I'm only able to text and make/receive calls with it). I would like to have the ability to do more though. Any suggestions and comments would be greatly appreciated! Thanks a head of time! Kyla From darrell.shandrow at gmail.com Wed Jul 7 01:40:44 2010 From: darrell.shandrow at gmail.com (Darrell Shandrow) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:40:44 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone vs mobile speaks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C33DB1C.2090301@gmail.com> Hello Kyla, I like the reliable of the built-in VoiceOver screen reader on the iPhone. You'll do well with it if you're willing to learn something new. I'm referring to the accessible touch screen user interface. On 7/6/2010 6:10 PM, Kyla Chittenden wrote: > I am in the market for a new cell phone and I'm wondering which rout I should go? An iphone or smart phone with mobile speaks? Do any of you have any helpful advice? I currently use the N75 with an older version of mobile speaks, and I like it okay (I'm only able to text and make/receive calls with it). I would like to have the ability to do more though. Any suggestions and comments would be greatly appreciated! > Thanks a head of time! > Kyla > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/darrell.shandrow%40gmail.com From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Wed Jul 7 16:28:00 2010 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 12:28:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] styling your hair Message-ID: Hello, all (especially ladies), As we know, looking professional and presentable is very important for our success in the school and workplace, and I'm wondering whether you use any specific nonvisual technique to style your hair. I wear my hair shoulder-length and either pull it back or let it down depending on the day, and I do curl it for special occasions, but I don't do much in terms of styling on a daily basis. What has been your experience in this area? Any helpful tips to make our hair look nice without the use of a mirror? Thanks! Katie From ccook01 at knology.net Fri Jul 9 01:10:03 2010 From: ccook01 at knology.net (Corey Cook) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 21:10:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] repost? Message-ID: Hey can someone repost the info david posted about the email program for android? Corey Cook Email ccook01 at knology.net Facebook ccook01 at knology.net Skype coreym821 From liamskitten at gmail.com Fri Jul 9 01:18:27 2010 From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Courtney Stover) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 20:18:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] repost? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Corey, Here you are: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Steve Jacobs Phone: (614) 777-0660 E-Mail: steve.jacobs at ideal-group.org Accessible Android E-Mail and Barcode Reader Available Open Source, Android Applications Released in Support of Raising the Floor, Reducing the Cost, and Leveling the Playing Field for Individuals with Disabilities HILLIARD, OH July 6, 2010 - IDEAL Group Apps4Android, Inc. announced today the release of the first Android e-mail reader for the blind. The IDEAL K9 E-Mail® reader is accessible using Google's Talkback and other Android screenreaders. Also announced was the release of IDEAL Item Identifier®, an Android-based barcode reader. The barcode reader makes it possible to quickly, easily, and accurately identify products by using Android smartphones to read barcodes on standard products. Both applications have been open-sourced in support of the Raising the Floor Initiative. http://raisingthefloor.net/ According to Steve Jacobs the President of IDEAL Group, “Given the efforts Google has put into Android, especially the work of their Eyes-Free Project team, we are convinced that Google is committed to making Android a world-class fully accessible platform and we want to help Google get there faster.” IDEAL is also developing an open source Android web browser for the blind. In addition, IDEAL is developing an open source video magnification application that enables individuals with low vision to turn their Android smartphones into hand-held video magnifiers. Given the high cost of dedicated devices that serve these purposes today, Jacobs hopes these free, high-quality open source Android applications will be Raising the Floor of opportunities for individuals with print disabilities. Jacobs further stated, “While we plan to develop accessible applications for other platforms in the future, we love the openness of Android. It makes it easy for developers to figure out how programs function and has enabled us to innovate much more rapidly and easily than on any other platform.” About IDEAL Group Apps4Android: Apps4Android, Inc. is dedicated to developing low/no-cost, high-quality, Android applications that enhance the quality-of-life, independence, quality of education, and employability of individuals with disabilities... and everyone else! Apps4Android is the world’s largest developer of speech-enabled Android applications in the world with 750,000+ active users in 47 countries. For more information: http://apps4android.org/ About Raising the Floor (RtF): Raising the Floor is an international consortium of organizations and individuals focused on ensuring that people experiencing disabilities, literacy problems, or the effects of aging are able to access and use all of the information, resources, services, and communities available on or through the Web. Of particular concern are those with limited or no resources. For more information: http://raisingthefloor.net/about ### This work is supported in part with funds from the National Institute on Disability and Rehabilitation Research, U.S. Department of Education, grant number H133E080022 to the University of Wisconsin Trace R&D Center. Users of IDEAL K9 E-Mail® and IDEAL Item Identifier® should not assume endorsement by either the Department of Education or the federal government. Courtney On 7/8/10, Corey Cook wrote: > Hey can someone repost the info david posted about the email program for > android? > > > Corey Cook > Email > ccook01 at knology.net > Facebook > ccook01 at knology.net > Skype > coreym821 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com > From ccook01 at knology.net Fri Jul 9 01:22:34 2010 From: ccook01 at knology.net (Corey Cook) Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 21:22:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] repost? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Courtney Corey Cook Email ccook01 at knology.net Facebook ccook01 at knology.net Skype coreym821 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Courtney Stover Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 9:18 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] repost? Corey, Here you are: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Steve Jacobs Phone: (614) 777-0660 E-Mail: steve.jacobs at ideal-group.org Accessible Android E-Mail and Barcode Reader Available Open Source, Android Applications Released in Support of Raising the Floor, Reducing the Cost, and Leveling the Playing Field for Individuals with Disabilities HILLIARD, OH July 6, 2010 - IDEAL Group Apps4Android, Inc. announced today the release of the first Android e-mail reader for the blind. The IDEAL K9 E-MailR reader is accessible using Google's Talkback and other Android screenreaders. Also announced was the release of IDEAL Item IdentifierR, an Android-based barcode reader. The barcode reader makes it possible to quickly, easily, and accurately identify products by using Android smartphones to read barcodes on standard products. Both applications have been open-sourced in support of the Raising the Floor Initiative. http://raisingthefloor.net/ According to Steve Jacobs the President of IDEAL Group, "Given the efforts Google has put into Android, especially the work of their Eyes-Free Project team, we are convinced that Google is committed to making Android a world-class fully accessible platform and we want to help Google get there faster." IDEAL is also developing an open source Android web browser for the blind. In addition, IDEAL is developing an open source video magnification application that enables individuals with low vision to turn their Android smartphones into hand-held video magnifiers. Given the high cost of dedicated devices that serve these purposes today, Jacobs hopes these free, high-quality open source Android applications will be Raising the Floor of opportunities for individuals with print disabilities. Jacobs further stated, "While we plan to develop accessible applications for other platforms in the future, we love the openness of Android. It makes it easy for developers to figure out how programs function and has enabled us to innovate much more rapidly and easily than on any other platform." About IDEAL Group Apps4Android: Apps4Android, Inc. is dedicated to developing low/no-cost, high-quality, Android applications that enhance the quality-of-life, independence, quality of education, and employability of individuals with disabilities... and everyone else! Apps4Android is the world's largest developer of speech-enabled Android applications in the world with 750,000+ active users in 47 countries. For more information: http://apps4android.org/ About Raising the Floor (RtF): Raising the Floor is an international consortium of organizations and individuals focused on ensuring that people experiencing disabilities, literacy problems, or the effects of aging are able to access and use all of the information, resources, services, and communities available on or through the Web. Of particular concern are those with limited or no resources. For more information: http://raisingthefloor.net/about ### This work is supported in part with funds from the National Institute on Disability and Rehabilitation Research, U.S. Department of Education, grant number H133E080022 to the University of Wisconsin Trace R&D Center. Users of IDEAL K9 E-MailR and IDEAL Item IdentifierR should not assume endorsement by either the Department of Education or the federal government. Courtney On 7/8/10, Corey Cook wrote: > Hey can someone repost the info david posted about the email program for > android? > > > Corey Cook > Email > ccook01 at knology.net > Facebook > ccook01 at knology.net > Skype > coreym821 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail. com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ccook01%40knology.ne t From ignasicambra at gmail.com Fri Jul 9 07:59:44 2010 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 03:59:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone vs mobile speaks In-Reply-To: <4C33DB1C.2090301@gmail.com> References: <4C33DB1C.2090301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8A1F170D-7570-480A-99BD-EECA22D7D5B7@gmail.com> I would definitely get an iPhone. It's cheaper, and it works better. Plus, every time there is an update to the operating system, your screen reader will be updated as well. I honestly loved the touch screen interface from the very beginning, but wasn't sure if I would enjoy typing on the on-screen keyboard. After iOS 4 came out in june, though, a new typing mode called "touch typing" appeared. It works very very well for me. This existed on the iPad before, but it didn't come to the iPhone until now. An other thing that I love about it is the email program. I never read email as quickly as on the iPhone with any other mobile device. I've used both Windows Mobile with Mobile Speak, and other Nokia phones both with Talks and Mobile Speak. For me there is nothing as efficient as the iPhone, although I'm sure other people have different opinions. On Jul 6, 2010, at 9:40 PM, Darrell Shandrow wrote: > Hello Kyla, > > I like the reliable of the built-in VoiceOver screen reader on the iPhone. You'll do well with it if you're willing to learn something new. I'm referring to the accessible touch screen user interface. > > > On 7/6/2010 6:10 PM, Kyla Chittenden wrote: >> I am in the market for a new cell phone and I'm wondering which rout I should go? An iphone or smart phone with mobile speaks? Do any of you have any helpful advice? I currently use the N75 with an older version of mobile speaks, and I like it okay (I'm only able to text and make/receive calls with it). I would like to have the ability to do more though. Any suggestions and comments would be greatly appreciated! >> Thanks a head of time! >> Kyla >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/darrell.shandrow%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Sun Jul 11 16:57:02 2010 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 12:57:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Future Of Radio360 And So Much More On Tonight's Djd Invasion Message-ID: <73E0254F9369401183BB2556328DEA5B@radio360usa> Hi All! If you catch one episode of The Djd Invasion this summer, then tonight's the one you won't want to miss! Tonight's four hour plus show will be probably one of the most fast pased shows we've ever had, with something going on and happening at nearly every corner! The fun, as always begins tonight at 8 PM eastern on Radio360, and will feature A contest announcement Info on planned schedule changes and other related station announcements A new web site look with more cool features to soon be added Hear a Cash It Or Trash it track Hear some highlights over mostly this show and possibly the next one from this year's NFB convention, with my commentary to add to it And if that's not enough, join me in the second half, as Radio360 and Mojo Radio of http://www.mojoradio.us go head to head in a game, and Wes, Mojo's founder, and I provide you some great programming and music to rock you into your Monday morning on both 360 and Mojo Radio! As stated, tonight's show is going to be as action packed as you'll ever see a Djd Invasion show be, and you as the listener can participate! Send all comments/requests for songs and other communications to me by email, aol instant messenger, or msn messenger to the address live at radio360.us or, when the lines are open, call us up at 516-717-4425 by phone or through skype at radio360usa I am so excited about this show, and you should be too. So cool off with a hot program, The Djd Invasion, starting at 8 PM eastern (7 central, 6 mountain, 5 pacific). The link to listen is http://www.radio360.us/players/playerselection.shtml or feel free to put http://fast.icastcenter.com:9001 into your default media player of choice. Hope to see you all there! Best regards, Djd, host of The Djd Invasion on Radio360 http://www.radio360.us From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Sun Jul 11 17:11:13 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 13:11:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Future Of Radio360 And So Much More On Tonight's DjdInvasion References: <73E0254F9369401183BB2556328DEA5B@radio360usa> Message-ID: <75B87DE4119849A9ABB6AD31589CF6BF@hometwxakonvzn> Will be there David! RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dunphy" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 12:57 PM Subject: [nabs-l] The Future Of Radio360 And So Much More On Tonight's DjdInvasion > Hi All! > If you catch one episode of The Djd Invasion this summer, then tonight's > the one you won't want to miss! > Tonight's four hour plus show will be probably one of the most fast pased > shows we've ever had, with something going on and happening at nearly > every corner! > The fun, as always begins tonight at 8 PM eastern on Radio360, and will > feature > A contest announcement > Info on planned schedule changes and other related station announcements > A new web site look with more cool features to soon be added > Hear a Cash It Or Trash it track > Hear some highlights over mostly this show and possibly the next one from > this year's NFB convention, with my commentary to add to it > And if that's not enough, join me in the second half, as Radio360 and Mojo > Radio of > http://www.mojoradio.us > go head to head in a game, and Wes, Mojo's founder, and I provide you some > great programming and music to rock you into your Monday morning on both > 360 and Mojo Radio! > As stated, tonight's show is going to be as action packed as you'll ever > see a Djd Invasion show be, and you as the listener can participate! > Send all comments/requests for songs and other communications to me by > email, aol instant messenger, or msn messenger to the address > live at radio360.us > or, when the lines are open, call us up at > 516-717-4425 > by phone or through skype at > radio360usa > I am so excited about this show, and you should be too. So cool off with a > hot program, The Djd Invasion, starting at 8 PM eastern (7 central, 6 > mountain, 5 pacific). The link to listen is > http://www.radio360.us/players/playerselection.shtml > or feel free to put > http://fast.icastcenter.com:9001 > into your default media player of choice. > Hope to see you all there! > Best regards, > Djd, host of The Djd Invasion on Radio360 > http://www.radio360.us > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From freethaught at gmail.com Sun Jul 11 22:02:46 2010 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 18:02:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] iphone vs mobile speaks References: <4C33DB1C.2090301@gmail.com> <8A1F170D-7570-480A-99BD-EECA22D7D5B7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <72E8A4AAE4814919B341143F60F5B763@userf9b4fa60eb> If anyone decides that Mobile speak is the way to go for them, I am selling a Blackjack phone with a 2gb mini sd card, previous version of mobile speak and mobile geo for $500. Upgrading will cost you another 300, but I find this current set up is fine, except I am switching to an IPhone. Please write or call, I am willing to negotiate. Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. Student, Western Governors University (617) 744-9716 Eastern time zone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ignasi Cambra" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 3:59 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone vs mobile speaks >I would definitely get an iPhone. It's cheaper, and it works better. Plus, >every time there is an update to the operating system, your screen reader >will be updated as well. I honestly loved the touch screen interface from >the very beginning, but wasn't sure if I would enjoy typing on the >on-screen keyboard. After iOS 4 came out in june, though, a new typing mode >called "touch typing" appeared. It works very very well for me. This >existed on the iPad before, but it didn't come to the iPhone until now. > An other thing that I love about it is the email program. I never read > email as quickly as on the iPhone with any other mobile device. I've used > both Windows Mobile with Mobile Speak, and other Nokia phones both with > Talks and Mobile Speak. For me there is nothing as efficient as the > iPhone, although I'm sure other people have different opinions. > On Jul 6, 2010, at 9:40 PM, Darrell Shandrow wrote: > >> Hello Kyla, >> >> I like the reliable of the built-in VoiceOver screen reader on the >> iPhone. You'll do well with it if you're willing to learn something new. >> I'm referring to the accessible touch screen user interface. >> >> >> On 7/6/2010 6:10 PM, Kyla Chittenden wrote: >>> I am in the market for a new cell phone and I'm wondering which rout I >>> should go? An iphone or smart phone with mobile speaks? Do any of you >>> have any helpful advice? I currently use the N75 with an older version >>> of mobile speaks, and I like it okay (I'm only able to text and >>> make/receive calls with it). I would like to have the ability to do >>> more though. Any suggestions and comments would be greatly appreciated! >>> Thanks a head of time! >>> Kyla >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/darrell.shandrow%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com > From Jennie.Herreid at business.uconn.edu Mon Jul 12 15:51:21 2010 From: Jennie.Herreid at business.uconn.edu (Jennie Herreid) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:51:21 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Friendly Reminder: Braille Questionnaire - Univ. of Connecticut Message-ID: <7221B7C92134764EBFF9736912799011D67E@SBEXCH10STOR02.business.uconn.edu> Group, I understand that last week was a busy week for parents (and educators) of blind & visually impaired children with the national convention going on. Therefore, I am reposting my previous request to complete the university's short Braille Questionnaire: The following link is to a short academic survey designed to assess parent's attitudes towards a new technology that we hope may create a more engaging Braille reading experience for children. It also includes an accessible version for visually impaired respondents, which can be found within the cover letter. If you're a parent of a visually impaired child or have experience learning / reading Braille, please feel free to take it. You may also opt-in by providing your e-mail address for a chance to win a $25 iTunes's gift card. http://www.zoomerang.com/Survey/WEB22AU2S3X345 Alternatively, if you have difficulty using the survey, please feel free to contact us Monday through Friday (9 - 5 pm EST) to take it over the phone. Thank you, Jennie, Justin, Corey, and Chris Justin Rattner Research Analyst Connecticut Center For Entrepreneurship And Innovation (CCEI) University of Connecticut 222 Pitkin Street East Hartford, CT 06108 Tel: 860-728-2141 Justin.Rattner at Business.Uconn.Edu From jaedpo96 at aol.com Tue Jul 13 11:14:26 2010 From: jaedpo96 at aol.com (Polansky) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nabs-l] What's your experiences with IPods Nanos and Rockbox? In-Reply-To: 27413261 References: 27413261 Message-ID: <8CCF093B03512F4-19F8-7C82@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com> I use an ipod nano 5th generation. I use voiceover which is apple's screen reader that you download to your ipod, iphone, or ipad. It works verry well. -----Original Message----- From: Gerardo Corripio To: BlindStudents Sent: Fri, Jul 2, 2010 11:43 am Subject: [nabs-l] What's your experiences with IPods Nanos and Rockbox? Hi guys: surely in your free time when on vacation all of you use some sort of MP3 player? I'm wanting to know what your experiences are in using IPods Nano First and second Generation with Rockbox installed? Among those is if with Rockbox does ITunes still need to be used as an interface between IPod and PC TO TRANSFER FILES? AND ALSO HOW EASY OR HARD IS Rockbox's instalation on the IPod? does one need to reformat the iPod first or installing the rockbox directly does the trick? Thanks in advanced for any info you might have. Gerardo _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jaedpo96%40aol.com From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Tue Jul 13 16:05:23 2010 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:05:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The NFB Show Case Of Talent Airs Tonight Message-ID: <02E84C7A900E4060B3EBE6C6EDC62C86@radio360usa> Hi All! Please consider sending this one to others in the nfb who might be interested. Yearly at the NFB national convention, they have what is called The Show Case Of Talent, which is put together by The Performing Arts Division. As was done last year, the talent show was recorded, and will be aired for those who couldn't make it tonight starting at 8 PM eastern on Radio360. Meet our first performing arts scholarship winner and hear some great music starting at 8 PM eastern. You can listen by going to http://www.radio360.us/players/playerselection.shtml or put http://fast.icastcenter.com:9001 in to your default media player of choice at the above mentioned time. Enjoy a night of talent and fun right in front of your computer. >From David Dunphy, Performing Arts Division Board Member and Radio360 station owner http://www.radio360.us From dlawless86 at gmail.com Tue Jul 13 18:18:39 2010 From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 13:18:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] What's your experiences with IPods Nanos and Rockbox? In-Reply-To: <004c01cb19fc$af16c870$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1> References: <004c01cb19fc$af16c870$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1> Message-ID: <97C12194-4A55-4AF5-8C57-9E3FF1059EDF@gmail.com> Honestly, You would be better off buying one of the newer IPods. You won't get any kind of tech support by altering the IPod firmware. Also, the new IPods are for the most part fully accessible and are now more reasonably priced. Hope this helps, Domonique On Jul 2, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Gerardo Corripio wrote: > Hi guys: surely in your free time when on vacation all of you use some sort > of MP3 player? I'm wanting to know what your experiences are in using IPods > Nano First and second Generation with Rockbox installed? Among those is if > with Rockbox does ITunes still need to be used as an interface between IPod > and PC TO TRANSFER FILES? AND ALSO HOW EASY OR HARD IS Rockbox's instalation > on the IPod? does one need to reformat the iPod first or installing the > rockbox directly does the trick? > Thanks in advanced for any info you might have. > Gerardo > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com From chelseap08 at gmail.com Tue Jul 13 20:34:46 2010 From: chelseap08 at gmail.com (C Page) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:34:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Brailliant Braille Display for sale Message-ID: Hi, I am trying to sell a 40 cell Brailliant Braille display. The unit is in excellent condition. I am asking $3500 for it. If you are interested, please email me off list at chelseap08 at gmail.com. Thanks Chelsea -- Chelsea Page (601)618-5170 From nabs.president at gmail.com Wed Jul 14 04:25:04 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:25:04 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Bulletin Additions Message-ID: Hi all, Thanks to everyone who helped out with our NABS activities at convention! I will be sending out a bulletin early next week reporting on convention, and then will resume my first-Monday-of-the-month schedule in September. If you have events you'd like announced in the next bulletin, please send announcements to me by Sunday, July 18. Thanks! Arielle -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From dandrews at visi.com Wed Jul 14 09:37:20 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 04:37:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Your Support for Assistive Technology Message-ID: >Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:17:18 -0800 >From: Haben Girma >To: David Andrews >Subject: Your Support for Assistive Technology > >David, would you forward this to the lists please? > >On June 30, 2010, the House Subcommittee on Communications, >Technology and the Internet made an important and commendable move >to advance the 21st Century Communications and Video Accessibility >Act (H.R. 3101) a step ahead. The bill is aimed at making Internet, >telephone and other types of communication accessible to people with >disabilities. We are grateful to the House for this on behalf of >Americans who struggle everyday to participate in American society >because of their disabilities. But we are extremely disappointed >that the voices of America's un-served and small population of >persons with deaf-blindness were ignored by the House when Section >105B of H.R. 3101 was removed. >If Congress wants to ensure equal access to 21st century >communications for all Americans, then Section 105(B) should be >restored because without funding for technology development, >training, and distribution, Americans who are deaf-blind will simply >have to be left behind and further isolated. Equal access to >communications technology cannot happen without access to special >equipment for people who are deaf-blind. But the technology they use >is extremely expensive, and because they cannot afford it the >assistive technology industry decided to ignore them, while the rest >of Americans benefit from better and more advanced communication >technologies they can afford that enable them to participate in the >workplace and nearly all other aspects of American life. Many of the >same technologies may also benefit visually impaired and blind >Americans, in particular older Americans and blinded veterans who >served our nation -- it is a great way to reward our visually >impaired and blind service members. That is why we need Section >105(B) restored -- we want to include, not exclude, deaf-blind >Americans in H.R. 3101 so that the quality of life for all Americans >improves and deaf-blind people live independent and productive lives >and contribute to American society. But all Americans, including >members of Congress, will benefit from better communication with >their friends, colleagues, and fellow Americans who are deaf-blind. > >Please follow this link to sign an online petition that will send >letters to your congressional representatives. >http://www.petition2congress.com/2/3378/lend-your-voice-to-support-americas-forgotten-community/ > >Thank you! > >DeafBlind Young Adults in Action >American Association of the DeafBlind > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 5276 (20100713) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From jesusfreak262 at gmail.com Wed Jul 14 12:04:26 2010 From: jesusfreak262 at gmail.com (Bre B) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:04:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Language learning software Message-ID: <4C3DA7CA.7070203@gmail.com> Hello Yall, I was wondering if anyonw knows of an accessible language learning software. If so, where can I get it, and how much is it? Thanks Bre From tamwill009 at comcast.net Wed Jul 14 16:28:41 2010 From: tamwill009 at comcast.net (Tamika Williams) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:28:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Bulletin Additions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Arielle, You said that if we want to put an announcement in the bulletin to let you know by July 18th. Are you speaking of the bulletin that will be put out early next week or the one that will be put out in September? Tamika Williams, AABS President ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "Nebraska" ; "Kentucky Students" ; "Minnesota Students" ; "Colorado Students" ; "Arizona Students" ; "Illinois Students" ; "Kansas Students" ; "Louisiana Students" ; "Missouri" ; "Utah Students" ; "Michigan" ; "California Students" ; "New Hampshire Students" ; "Florida Students" ; "New Jersey Students" ; "Tennessee Students" ; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" ; "gabs" ; "North Carolina Students" ; ; "Ohio" ; "List for NABS State Presidents" ; "Virginia Students" Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:25 PM Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Bulletin Additions > Hi all, > > Thanks to everyone who helped out with our NABS activities at convention! > > I will be sending out a bulletin early next week reporting on > convention, and then will resume my first-Monday-of-the-month schedule > in September. If you have events you'd like announced in the next > bulletin, please send announcements to me by Sunday, July 18. Thanks! > Arielle > > -- > Arielle Silverman > President, National Association of Blind Students > Phone: 602-502-2255 > Email: > nabs.president at gmail.com > Website: > www.nabslink.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tamwill009%40comcast.net From alexandera.castillo at gmail.com Wed Jul 14 17:27:11 2010 From: alexandera.castillo at gmail.com (Alexander Castillo) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:27:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] a couple of questions on NABS Message-ID: Hi, some time ago, there was an anouncement on this list regarding NABS State presidents info and a new site going up. There were some contact details for submission of NABS state president name and contact info. Can anyone repost that message or give out the info? Also, I see that there is a list for NABS Sstate presidents, but while looking on nfbnet.org, I could not find it with the rest of the lists. Does anyone have info on that particular list as well? Thanks, Alex From mewhalen at gmail.com Wed Jul 14 18:27:07 2010 From: mewhalen at gmail.com (Meghan Whalen) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:27:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] a couple of questions on NABS References: Message-ID: <8C6AD561CCAD4C8B8E3A97E3B3EA9D49@YOURZVIRQM73LR> Alex: You can send contact information for the website to me at: mewhalen at gmail.com and I'll get it up for you. As for the state presidents list, I'm not sure how you get on it. I know it has closed membership and that subscribers must be approved before they receive list mail. Take care, Meghan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Castillo" To: "nabs-l" Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:27 PM Subject: [nabs-l] a couple of questions on NABS > Hi, some time ago, there was an anouncement on this list regarding > NABS State presidents info and a new site going up. There were some > contact details for submission of NABS state president name and > contact info. Can anyone repost that message or give out the info? > > Also, I see that there is a list for NABS Sstate presidents, but while > looking on nfbnet.org, I could not find it with the rest of the lists. > Does anyone have info on that particular list as well? > > Thanks, > Alex > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mewhalen%40gmail.com > From mewhalen at gmail.com Wed Jul 14 21:00:34 2010 From: mewhalen at gmail.com (Meghan Whalen) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 16:00:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Website questions, quandries and recruitment Message-ID: <319BA28AD2484251BF2FB94E10CBDA84@YOURZVIRQM73LR> Last month, we launched the new nabslink.org. It is, of course, a constant work in progress, so once again, I'm asking you to please provide any tips, concerns or suggestions. Please email me at mewhalen at gmail.com I'm also hoping that some folks have quality photos from convention that they think would be good up on the site. We're currently lacking in photos for the site, but as soon as we've got some good pictures, this will be remedied. Please send photos with brief descriptions to the above email address. Suggested photos would include but not be limited to: photos of you out and about on your campus, at work in your community etc. using adaptive tech, having fun at convention or anything else you think would be beneficial for the site. Please do not send photos without permission from those in the photos. If you could also let me know if you have a preference either way as to if your name is or isn't included in photo captions, it would be very much so appreciated. Finally, if anyone is interested in helping with the NABS site, please email me at: mewhalen at gmail.com and we'll set up a conference call within the next week or so to delegate and get things going. Thanks for reading, and I look forward to working with and serving you all in the next couple of years. Best, Meghan Whalen, Webmaster From jesusfreak262 at gmail.com Wed Jul 14 22:07:20 2010 From: jesusfreak262 at gmail.com (Bre B) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 18:07:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] What kind of experience do you have with Ipods, Nanos, and Rockbox? Message-ID: <4C3E3518.7030906@gmail.com> If you are thinking about buying a new Ipod, I definitely recommend the touch. You have to get the one that holds at least 32 gigs to have voice-over. All the software has been great. Bre From dlawless86 at gmail.com Wed Jul 14 22:38:29 2010 From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:38:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] What kind of experience do you have with Ipods, Nanos, and Rockbox? In-Reply-To: <4C3E3518.7030906@gmail.com> References: <4C3E3518.7030906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <99EAE052-AFEE-42BB-80D9-13292A99B39A@gmail.com> I agree. I've been using the IPod touch for a few months now and love it. I don't think it's worth altering the firmware with Rock Box. It's better to just get one that's accessible out of the box. Best Wishes, Domonique On Jul 14, 2010, at 5:07 PM, Bre B wrote: > If you are thinking about buying a new Ipod, I definitely recommend the touch. You have to get the one that holds at least 32 gigs to have voice-over. All the software has been great. > Bre > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Jul 15 04:03:11 2010 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 00:03:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] braille Note and internet connection Message-ID: <05184CD3C8FA49E683DE9B95AA01EAB7@Ashley> Hi all, Can anyone explain or give me links to how you connect your Braille Note to the internet. I have a WI-FI card and at my college I'm going to in the fall I am sure they have ethernet card capability. I don't know how it connects to the internet. I found commands for web browsing in the Braille Note user guide once you are connected. How good is the connection? Stable? Would you say its pretty easy to send/receive emails? Can you type email and search the web in Grade 2 braille? Will it tell you how many links are on a given web page just as jaws does? I have the M Power version with a 32 cell braille display. Thanks for any advice. Ashley From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Jul 15 05:41:24 2010 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:41:24 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] applying for a job Message-ID: Hello. I'm trying to write a good cover letter but my writing sucks big time. It is a job for the apple store in boston.I want to try and move there before the semester in january starts so I can learn the town and I figure living there would be a good idea. Any help in trying to write a good cover letter would be nice. I've googled but I am having writers block. Thanks all. From kc2992a at student.american.edu Thu Jul 15 05:46:56 2010 From: kc2992a at student.american.edu (Katy Carroll) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 01:46:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] applying for a job In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Sarah, writing cover letters just sucks. I try to stick to a format with three/four themed paragraphs. in the first, i introduce myself and state exactly what job I am seeking, in the second I concisely explain my qualifications for the job. Thirdly, I expand on what i think I can bring to the job/ mention when I would be available, mention that references are available (if necessary...) Let me know how you do. Best of luck, Kate On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Hello. I'm trying to write a good cover letter but my writing sucks big > time. > > It is a job for the apple store in boston.I want to try and move there > before the semester in january starts so I can learn the town and I figure > living there would be a good idea. > > Any help in trying to write a good cover letter would be nice. I've googled > but I am having writers block. > > Thanks all. > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kc2992a%40student.american.edu > -- Kathryn CARROLL BlueLaw International LLP 703-647-7508 Cell: 631-521-3018 From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Thu Jul 15 06:48:31 2010 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 02:48:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] braille Note and internet connection In-Reply-To: <05184CD3C8FA49E683DE9B95AA01EAB7@Ashley> References: <05184CD3C8FA49E683DE9B95AA01EAB7@Ashley> Message-ID: Hi, Ashley, Have you read the Connectivity chapter in the Braille Note user guide? It has some pretty detailed information about how to set up Internet connections using the Connectivity menu within the options menu. The connection itself is stable, but unfortunately, I would not consider the experience of web browsing using the Braille Note an ideal one as of Keysoft version 8. Yes, you can type emails in grade 2 braille, which is a big plus, but the Braille Note only supports the pop mail server (downloading messages directly onto the machine for reading), which is becoming less and less common in today's popular mail programs. It displays all web pages in grade 2 braille, but you have to type in computer braille when making search entries, and many websites that are perfectly acessible with JAWS are extremely slow or impossible to use with the Braille Note. I personally used the Braille Note a lot for both emailing and web browsing when I first got it, but over the years I have come to use my PC for most web-related tasks. I do still access the Internet with my Braille Note, but it is mostly for downloading books from Bookshare or NLS or just checking out the various NFB publications; I also take advantage of the instant messaging feature under Chat from time to time. I hope this information is helpful and feel free to let me know if you have any more specific questions about using the Braille Note on the Internet. I have been a Braille Note user for more than 5 years and I'm using a 32-cell, MPower model just like yours, so I would be happy to share any experience that may be helpful to you. Katie On 7/15/10, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Hi all, > > Can anyone explain or give me links to how you connect your Braille Note to > the internet. I have a WI-FI card and at my college I'm going to in the > fall I am sure they have ethernet card capability. > I don't know how it connects to the internet. I found commands for web > browsing in the Braille Note user guide once you are connected. > > How good is the connection? Stable? Would you say its pretty easy to > send/receive emails? Can you type email and search the web in Grade 2 > braille? Will it tell you how many links are on a given web page just as > jaws does? > > I have the M Power version with a 32 cell braille display. > > Thanks for any advice. > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From serenacucco at verizon.net Thu Jul 15 12:27:55 2010 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 08:27:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] braille Note and internet connection References: <05184CD3C8FA49E683DE9B95AA01EAB7@Ashley> Message-ID: <06062D100ACB4C388F37BCAB88DB30A1@Serene> I hope these difficulties have been resolved with the Apex and higher versions of Keysoft. I'm getting an Apex! Does anybody know? Thanks, Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Wang" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 2:48 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] braille Note and internet connection > Hi, Ashley, > Have you read the Connectivity chapter in the Braille Note user > guide? It has some pretty detailed information about how to set up > Internet connections using the Connectivity menu within the options > menu. The connection itself is stable, but unfortunately, I would not > consider the experience of web browsing using the Braille Note an > ideal one as of Keysoft version 8. Yes, you can type emails in grade 2 > braille, which is a big plus, but the Braille Note only supports the > pop mail server (downloading messages directly onto the machine for > reading), which is becoming less and less common in today's popular > mail programs. It displays all web pages in grade 2 braille, but you > have to type in computer braille when making search entries, and many > websites that are perfectly acessible with JAWS are extremely slow or > impossible to use with the Braille Note. I personally used the Braille > Note a lot for both emailing and web browsing when I first got it, but > over the years I have come to use my PC for most web-related tasks. I > do still access the Internet with my Braille Note, but it is mostly > for downloading books from Bookshare or NLS or just checking out the > various NFB publications; I also take advantage of the instant > messaging feature under Chat from time to time. > I hope this information is helpful and feel free to let me know if > you have any more specific questions about using the Braille Note on > the Internet. I have been a Braille Note user for more than 5 years > and I'm using a 32-cell, MPower model just like yours, so I would be > happy to share any experience that may be helpful to you. > Katie > > > On 7/15/10, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Can anyone explain or give me links to how you connect your Braille Note >> to >> the internet. I have a WI-FI card and at my college I'm going to in the >> fall I am sure they have ethernet card capability. >> I don't know how it connects to the internet. I found commands for web >> browsing in the Braille Note user guide once you are connected. >> >> How good is the connection? Stable? Would you say its pretty easy to >> send/receive emails? Can you type email and search the web in Grade 2 >> braille? Will it tell you how many links are on a given web page just as >> jaws does? >> >> I have the M Power version with a 32 cell braille display. >> >> Thanks for any advice. >> >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From c_for_chaos610 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 15 13:52:57 2010 From: c_for_chaos610 at yahoo.com (Sarah C) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 06:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic: Cousin Running for US Senate In Washington State Message-ID: <664276.35211.qm@web111915.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Everyone, My cousin Charles Allen is running for the US Senate in Washington State. I am spreading the word. Please feel free to visit his website: http://www.charlesallen2010.com/about-charles Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Charles-Allen-for-US-Senate/382741875182?ref=ts Twitter: http://twitter.com/Allen4Senate My cousin and I are very close. So when you have a moment, please visit these pages. Thank you and Vote Allen. -Sarah Chung From agrima at nbp.org Thu Jul 15 14:53:25 2010 From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 10:53:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] New Froggy book in print/braille Message-ID: <608A53B478A6461FA8AB493A9DD91986@nbp2.local> Here's the latest print/braille book from National Braille Press. -Tony Grima, NBP July 2010 Book Club Selection Froggy Eats Out By Jonathan London Print/braille edition, $5.99 In contracted braille Ages 4-8 It's Froggy's parents' anniversary, so the family heads out to Chez Yum, a hoity-toity restaurant with tablecloths and flower-filled vases. If you know anything about Froggy, you know this means trouble! Froggy only has a few rules to remember - "Be neat, be quiet, and don't put your feet on the table" - but it's absolutely not that simple. Froggy fidgets, shakes salt on his hand and licks it, bangs his spoon on the table, flips his spoon (bonk! oops!), pulls petals off flowers, sucks on sugar cubes (and ice cubes), and then simply must flop around singing. Just as he's getting down to actually eating, he spies his pretty classmate Frogilina, and an embarrassed Froggy ducks under the tablecloth, sending the spaghetti and sauce flying. The whole family gives up and heads to a local diner for burgers and flies. This fine addition to the much-loved Froggy series serves as a lighthearted way to approach table etiquette - but mostly it's just good messy fun. To order or read more about this book online, visit http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/BC1007-FROGEATS.html ****** To order any books, send payment to: NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302 Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext 20. Or order any of our books online at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html . From gera1027 at gmail.com Thu Jul 15 16:40:03 2010 From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:40:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ITunes 8 with IPods Nano 5th gen? Message-ID: <00bf01cb243c$62896400$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1> Hi guys: I have ITunes eight with jaws ten and am about to purchase an IPod 5th gen nano, thus my question will ITunes eight recognize and will I be able to activate the accessibility features and synch OK the IPod with ITunes eight? What have your experiences been with this combination? because I don't want to update ITunes until Jaws eleven in Spanish comes out later this year or early next year. Thanks in advanced for any info. Gerardo From tamwill009 at comcast.net Thu Jul 15 18:06:40 2010 From: tamwill009 at comcast.net (Tamika Williams) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:06:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] applying for a job In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Sarah and how have you been?, I have a sample of a cover letter that I had to create for my Career Planning class a couple of years ago and my professor thought it was great so I attached it and I hope it helps. I also have a book that I was using for that class and my cousin just used it last night to find templates and tips for creating a cover letter and resume, so let me know if you need that and I can have it to you in a couple of days. Wish you the best and hope all is well. Sincerely, Tamika Williams, AABS president E-mail: tamwill009 at comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Alawami" To: "nabs list list" Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 12:41 AM Subject: [nabs-l] applying for a job > Hello. I'm trying to write a good cover letter but my writing sucks big > time. > > It is a job for the apple store in boston.I want to try and move there > before the semester in january starts so I can learn the town and I figure > living there would be a good idea. > > Any help in trying to write a good cover letter would be nice. I've > googled but I am having writers block. > > Thanks all. > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tamwill009%40comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Tamika's Cover Letter.rtf Type: application/msword Size: 2232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From liamskitten at gmail.com Thu Jul 15 19:22:57 2010 From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Courtney Stover) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:22:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Off Topic: Cousin Running for US Senate In Washington State In-Reply-To: <664276.35211.qm@web111915.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <664276.35211.qm@web111915.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bringing this back on topic somewhat: Can you give us a quick summary of your cousin's position concerning disability rights? Courtney On 7/15/10, Sarah C wrote: > Hi Everyone, > My cousin Charles Allen is running for the US Senate in Washington State. > I am spreading the word. > Please feel free to visit his website: > http://www.charlesallen2010.com/about-charles > Facebook: > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Charles-Allen-for-US-Senate/382741875182?ref=ts > Twitter: > http://twitter.com/Allen4Senate > My cousin and I are very close. So when you have a moment, please visit > these > pages. > > Thank you and Vote Allen. > -Sarah Chung > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Thu Jul 15 19:25:41 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:25:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] applying for a job In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a few sample cover letters from my Career class at the rehab center, also. You'll find them below my message. But while I know convincing someone of the nonexistance of writer's block is as bad as trying to convince someone of the nonexistence of God, I want to try...writer's block does not exist! Use an outline to make sure you cover all the points. Mention why you are sending your resume (phone interview, referred by so-and-so, saw an advertisement, etc), what position you are applying for, and the basics of why you feel you should get the position. A controversial point that we discussed at last year's Student Seminar here in NC is whether or not to put that you're blind in the cover letter or resume. My position is that if you believe it is an advantage, then put it, but explain how it is an advantage. For example, many people who work at Apple stores do not understand the access technology that is available on iPhones, iPods, and the iPad. But as a blind person yourself, you very likely know a lot more about the build-in screenreader than the other employees. So, if you have worked with an iPhone or one of the other products, or if you've worked with the build-in screenreader on the Apple computers, then make sure to mention that in your cover letter or resume. However, I feel that mentioning you are blind just because you are blind is not a good idea. You need to show them how being blind is going to be *good* for the position. An example in another job would be the psychologist who is blind who says many clients feel more comfortable with her because she can't 'stare' at them and they can feel more relaxed without someone judging them, especially for clients who are shy, have an eating disorder, or something similar to those. Here are the sample cover letters I have: SAMPLE COVER LETTER #1 AND #2 Date: ______________________ Company Name: ____________________________ Company Address: ____________________________ ____________________________ ____________________________ Dear Mr./Ms. ________________: (Use either Letter 1 Version:) As we discussed in our recent telephone conversation, please consider the attached resume for the position of _____________________. I believe you will find that I have the type of experience and training you are seeking for this position. I also feel I have much to offer your organization and would be happy to forward letters of recommendation upon your request. I would be pleased to meet with you and discuss this position at your earliest convenience. Please call me at _________or you may contact me in writing at the address shown below. or Letter 2 Version: I am responding to your recent advertisement in the _________________________ for the position of _______________. Attached you will find my resume and letters of recommendation. As my resume indicates, I have experience in the areas of ___________________________, and _______________________. I am most interested in this position and would appreciate the opportunity to interview with you. You may reach me by telephone at ____________________ or at the address shown below. Thank you for your consideration. Sincerely, {Your Signature} Your Name Your Address ~Jewel On 7/15/10, Tamika Williams wrote: > Hey Sarah and how have you been?, > > I have a sample of a cover letter that I had to create for my Career > Planning class a couple of years ago and my professor thought it was great > so I attached it and I hope it helps. I also have a book that I was using > for that class and my cousin just used it last night to find templates and > tips for creating a cover letter and resume, so let me know if you need that > and I can have it to you in a couple of days. Wish you the best and hope all > is well. > > Sincerely, > Tamika Williams, AABS president > E-mail: tamwill009 at comcast.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sarah Alawami" > To: "nabs list list" > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 12:41 AM > Subject: [nabs-l] applying for a job > > >> Hello. I'm trying to write a good cover letter but my writing sucks big >> time. >> >> It is a job for the apple store in boston.I want to try and move there >> before the semester in january starts so I can learn the town and I figure >> >> living there would be a good idea. >> >> Any help in trying to write a good cover letter would be nice. I've >> googled but I am having writers block. >> >> Thanks all. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tamwill009%40comcast.net >> > From kramc11 at gmail.com Thu Jul 15 23:03:45 2010 From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:03:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] applying for a job In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can't help you with the cover letter, but I live in Boston and love it. It is a wonderful place to live. Just for fun you should read http://www.moondragon.org/moondragon/humor/humorboston.html and BTW you know you are from Boston when it's your God-given right to cut someone off in traffic and you know there are only 25 letters in the alphabet (no R's). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Alawami" To: "nabs list list" Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:41 AM Subject: [nabs-l] applying for a job > Hello. I'm trying to write a good cover letter but my writing sucks big > time. > > It is a job for the apple store in boston.I want to try and move there > before the semester in january starts so I can learn the town and I figure > living there would be a good idea. > > Any help in trying to write a good cover letter would be nice. I've > googled but I am having writers block. > > Thanks all. > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com From jp100 at earthlink.net Thu Jul 15 23:13:20 2010 From: jp100 at earthlink.net (Jim) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:13:20 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind folks and the IPhone Message-ID: <00c001cb2473$51f0ddd0$f5d29970$@net> Hello everyone, Lately, I've been seeing that the new IPhones have been coming out and have become somewhat accessible, especially for blind folks. I am totally blind and am interested to hear from other blind IPhone users. I am elegible for an upgrade from At&T, and I'm really tempted but want to know if it is really doable and a good investment. I want to hear your experiences and pros and cons. Also, how did you learn and what sorts of tutorials or manuals did you use? Talk to me! Jim P From brittney.urquhart at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 00:22:08 2010 From: brittney.urquhart at gmail.com (Brittney Urquhart) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 19:22:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind folks and the IPhone In-Reply-To: <00c001cb2473$51f0ddd0$f5d29970$@net> References: <00c001cb2473$51f0ddd0$f5d29970$@net> Message-ID: Hey Jim! I absolutely love my iPhone! It is completely accessible. The touch screen with Boice Over has a small learning curbe, but it's nothing you can't master within a few weeks. I learned the iPhone gestures from trial and error and the Apple website. I strongly suggest that you go to the ATT store and play around with the display phone to get a feel for the touch screen. If you come in contact with an ATT representative who is unfamiliar with the phone's accessibility features while testing it out, just ask them to go to Settings, then General, and then Accessibility to turn on Voice Over. Best Wishes, Brittney Sent from my iPhone On Jul 15, 2010, at 6:13 PM, "Jim" wrote: > Hello everyone, > > > > Lately, I've been seeing that the new IPhones have been coming out > and have > become somewhat accessible, especially for blind folks. > > I am totally blind and am interested to hear from other blind IPhone > users. > I am elegible for an upgrade from At&T, and I'm really tempted but > want to > know if it is really doable and a good investment. I want to hear > your > experiences and pros and cons. > > Also, how did you learn and what sorts of tutorials or manuals did > you use? > > Talk to me! > > > > Jim P > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brittney.urquhart%40gmail.com From alexandera.castillo at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 02:43:38 2010 From: alexandera.castillo at gmail.com (Alexander Castillo) Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 22:43:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Last minute hustle, book needed: Personality psychology domains of knowledge about human nature Larsen, Randy J. Message-ID: Hi all, as the title of this message says, this is a last minute hustle for a book. Turns out I'm in need of one more class and I have the chance to take it over the summer. Here is the title. Personality psychology domains of knowledge about human nature Larsen, Randy J. 4th Ed. The third Ed is unavailable on RFBD, and bookshare does not carry it. Has anyone had any luck with CourseSmart etexts? Last time I checked they were not accessible. Thanks, Alex From ignasicambra at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 04:06:06 2010 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 00:06:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind folks and the IPhone In-Reply-To: <00c001cb2473$51f0ddd0$f5d29970$@net> References: <00c001cb2473$51f0ddd0$f5d29970$@net> Message-ID: <9069A272-647A-4CEB-B770-D6296BCC2FE3@gmail.com> It is an excellent investment, and it is completely accessible. Every single application that comes with the phone is completely accessible, and in my experience, a huge majority of the applications I have downloaded from the app store are accessible. For me, there is nothing more efficient than an iPhone these days. It really allows me to browse the web or read emails etc just as quickly as I do it on my Mac. It is a little hard to get used to the on-screen keyboard, and you will type fairly slowly during the first few days or weeks. But after you get used to it, it works great. On Jul 15, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Jim wrote: > Hello everyone, > > > > Lately, I've been seeing that the new IPhones have been coming out and have > become somewhat accessible, especially for blind folks. > > I am totally blind and am interested to hear from other blind IPhone users. > I am elegible for an upgrade from At&T, and I'm really tempted but want to > know if it is really doable and a good investment. I want to hear your > experiences and pros and cons. > > Also, how did you learn and what sorts of tutorials or manuals did you use? > > Talk to me! > > > > Jim P > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Fri Jul 16 04:22:44 2010 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 00:22:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind folks and the IPhone References: <00c001cb2473$51f0ddd0$f5d29970$@net> <9069A272-647A-4CEB-B770-D6296BCC2FE3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6ECE9EB2C3B747C78762DFA3328945BE@D9P3ZND1> If typing is a worry http://www.solona.net/tactile-screen-protectors-for-apple-products-by-solona sells tactile screen protectors. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ignasi Cambra" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind folks and the IPhone > It is an excellent investment, and it is completely accessible. Every > single application that comes with the phone is completely accessible, and > in my experience, a huge majority of the applications I have downloaded > from the app store are accessible. For me, there is nothing more efficient > than an iPhone these days. It really allows me to browse the web or read > emails etc just as quickly as I do it on my Mac. > It is a little hard to get used to the on-screen keyboard, and you will > type fairly slowly during the first few days or weeks. But after you get > used to it, it works great. > On Jul 15, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Jim wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> >> >> Lately, I've been seeing that the new IPhones have been coming out and >> have >> become somewhat accessible, especially for blind folks. >> >> I am totally blind and am interested to hear from other blind IPhone >> users. >> I am elegible for an upgrade from At&T, and I'm really tempted but want >> to >> know if it is really doable and a good investment. I want to hear your >> experiences and pros and cons. >> >> Also, how did you learn and what sorts of tutorials or manuals did you >> use? >> >> Talk to me! >> >> >> >> Jim P >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > From tamwill009 at comcast.net Fri Jul 16 17:56:06 2010 From: tamwill009 at comcast.net (Tamika Williams) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:56:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind folks and the IPhone In-Reply-To: <00c001cb2473$51f0ddd0$f5d29970$@net> References: <00c001cb2473$51f0ddd0$f5d29970$@net> Message-ID: <1B48A187F6DA4A7A91152ADE188F783C@TamikaPC> Hello Jim, I too like others was very hesitant about purchasing the IPhone, but I turned out to love it after playing around with it on my free time for a couple of weeks. You have heard some upsides from me and others, now You ask what was some downsides, well there is a couple minor ones. One is the battery life is very short depending on how much you use it. You can keep it on lock and it will help preserve some of the battery, but me personally I have to put it on the charger about 2 or 3 times a day. Another one is while you are on the phone, your sound alerts are heard by the other person you are talking to. So if you receive another call, voicemail, text message, or someone is disconnecting off of a line it will all be heard by the person you are talking to. I don't know if there is a solution has been discovered for that yet. However, just like anything else there are going to be things you like and don't like, I think that the upsides definitely outweights the downsides. In addition, to access the voiceover feature you can also hith the home button 3 consecutive times quickly and it will toggle it on and off. Good luck in making your decission. Tamika Williams, AABS President ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" To: "Jim" Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:13 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Blind folks and the IPhone > Hello everyone, > > > > Lately, I've been seeing that the new IPhones have been coming out and > have > become somewhat accessible, especially for blind folks. > > I am totally blind and am interested to hear from other blind IPhone > users. > I am elegible for an upgrade from At&T, and I'm really tempted but want to > know if it is really doable and a good investment. I want to hear your > experiences and pros and cons. > > Also, how did you learn and what sorts of tutorials or manuals did you > use? > > Talk to me! > > > > Jim P > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tamwill009%40comcast.net From rmiller at osb.k12.ok.us Fri Jul 16 21:58:39 2010 From: rmiller at osb.k12.ok.us (Robert Miller) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:58:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Word 2007 and key tips In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey I was wondering if any one out there that's using Word 2007 can tell me if there is a keystroke that will cause the Key Tips to reappear. Once you first activate a ribbon the Key Tips appear, but if you use the tab key and move across the ribbon the Key Tips go away. The only way I know of getting them to reappear is to leave and reactivate the ribbon. If you can help me I would appreciate it. Thanks! Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org Date: Friday, July 16, 2010 12:07 pm Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 45, Issue 14 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." > From mworkman.lists at gmail.com Sat Jul 17 03:20:13 2010 From: mworkman.lists at gmail.com (Marc Workman) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 21:20:13 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind folks and the IPhone In-Reply-To: <1B48A187F6DA4A7A91152ADE188F783C@TamikaPC> References: <00c001cb2473$51f0ddd0$f5d29970$@net> <1B48A187F6DA4A7A91152ADE188F783C@TamikaPC> Message-ID: Hi, I used to have a bit of a problem with the battery that required me to charge it every night. The problem, and many blind users were having this problem, was that your phone wouldn't always go on stand by, even when you locked it. This meant that the battery was being drained as though you were using it, even though it was locked. Since I updated to OS 4, however, I have not had this problem, and I've been able to get on average three days without a charge. Admittedly,I'm not a very heavy user, but I believe the iPhone battery, at least since the upgrade, is comparable to other phones. Of course, this does involve locking the phone while it isn't in use, but I don't know why you would leave it unlocked if you weren't using it anyway. I imagine that having people be able to hear incoming texts would be a little annoying, but I tend almost exclusively to use the headphones while using the phone, so this has never been an issue for me. I've been using the iPhone for a little over a year now, and one really great thing about it that I haven't heard mentioned yet is that Voiceover has improved with every major update. It seems to me that, to often with new technology, an upgrade means that adaptive tech users are left behind temporarily until the adaptive tech companies are able to catch up. With the iPhone, the updates from 3 to 3.1, and from 3.1 to 4, both had major improvements in the functionality of voiceover, which to me suggests that including voiceover on the phone was not something done as a one off, that Apple is commited to making this work. Best, Marc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tamika Williams" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind folks and the IPhone > Hello Jim, > > I too like others was very hesitant about purchasing the IPhone, but I > turned out to love it after playing around with it on my free time for a > couple of weeks. You have heard some upsides from me and others, now You > ask what was some downsides, well there is a couple minor ones. One is the > battery life is very short depending on how much you use it. You can keep > it on lock and it will help preserve some of the battery, but me > personally I have to put it on the charger about 2 or 3 times a day. > Another one is while you are on the phone, your sound alerts are heard by > the other person you are talking to. So if you receive another call, > voicemail, text message, or someone is disconnecting off of a line it will > all be heard by the person you are talking to. I don't know if there is a > solution has been discovered for that yet. However, just like anything > else there are going to be things you like and don't like, I think that > the upsides definitely outweights the downsides. In addition, to access > the voiceover feature you can also hith the home button 3 consecutive > times quickly and it will toggle it on and off. Good luck in making your > decission. > > Tamika Williams, AABS President > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim" > To: "Jim" > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:13 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] Blind folks and the IPhone > > >> Hello everyone, >> >> >> >> Lately, I've been seeing that the new IPhones have been coming out and >> have >> become somewhat accessible, especially for blind folks. >> >> I am totally blind and am interested to hear from other blind IPhone >> users. >> I am elegible for an upgrade from At&T, and I'm really tempted but want >> to >> know if it is really doable and a good investment. I want to hear your >> experiences and pros and cons. >> >> Also, how did you learn and what sorts of tutorials or manuals did you >> use? >> >> Talk to me! >> >> >> >> Jim P >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tamwill009%40comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com From dlawless86 at gmail.com Sat Jul 17 04:11:18 2010 From: dlawless86 at gmail.com (Domonique Lawless) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 23:11:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] applying for a job In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Sarah, Are you currently at a University or college? Two of the most underutilized tools in colleges are the career services center and writing labs. I'd suggest making appointments at one or both of these places and have them give you as much advice as possible for your first draft. Once your first draft is done schedule as many appointments as needed until they tell you that you need no more help from them and that you have a stunning cover letter that every boss would want to have on their desk. I hope this helps! Good luck on the job hunt. Best Wishes, Domonique On Jul 15, 2010, at 12:41 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Hello. I'm trying to write a good cover letter but my writing sucks big time. > > It is a job for the apple store in boston.I want to try and move there before the semester in january starts so I can learn the town and I figure living there would be a good idea. > > Any help in trying to write a good cover letter would be nice. I've googled but I am having writers block. > > Thanks all. > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com From rockthebike at usfamily.net Sat Jul 17 16:36:56 2010 From: rockthebike at usfamily.net (Ron & the bears) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 11:36:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Tandem Bike riding Web Site Message-ID: I have been asked to circulate the following: Dave Andrews *** Would you enjoy getting out for a tandem bike ride? Http://bicyclingblind.org is a website dedicated to matching blind riders, (stokers) with sighted pilots. The site is free and keeps your contact information private until you are ready to exchange it. Log on and set up a profile. Then, you can find riders in your local area to share a bike ride. You may not even need to own a tandem if the pilot already has one! For additional information, please contact: christine at bicyclingblind.org or Ron Burzese at rockthebike at usfamily.net or 512-419-1372 *** From jsorozco at gmail.com Sat Jul 17 21:27:29 2010 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 17:27:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Review of the Icon or Braille+ Message-ID: <6FD158B6BE4A489B840494C8294D0949@Rufus> Hello, Is anyone out there using the Icon or Braille+? If so, would you mind sharing your thoughts? I currently use a Victor Stream, and it wasn't until today that I came across a description of this little device with greater storage capacity and a myriad of other features. I'd be curious to hear about stability, practical uses, keyboard comfort, etc. Also, unless something's been updated, can anyone tell if the wireless standard has been expanded to use G? Thanks for any tips. Best, Joe "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing From mikaelastevens at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 00:48:11 2010 From: mikaelastevens at gmail.com (Mikaela Stevens) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:48:11 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Visual Media Message-ID: Hello, Hope everyone is doing well! I have a concern that I think you can help me with. I am majoring in communication with a public speaking emphasis. Yesterday I registered for a visual media class that is required for my major. As you might have guessed by the title of the class, it will be a difficult one for a blind person, but I know it is possible. I am going to meet with my teacher this week to discuss alternate ways of doing this course. The three computer programs used in the class are adobe photo shop, adobe in design and adobe illustrator. Has anyone ever worked with these programs? What can I do to make this class accessible to me? Thank you in advance for the advice and help! Have a great week. -- Mikaela Stevens BYU-Idaho Student 208-585-8468 From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 02:34:34 2010 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 19:34:34 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] applying for a job In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3EAD1C1E-CF00-411F-9E87-E45551C4869F@gmail.com> Yeah thos rs have been replaced by a's. Now if you will excuse me I have to find where I packed my ca. lol! Thanks all for your help and I'll have somene look at it and see what they think. S On Jul 15, 2010, at 4:03 PM, Mark J. Cadigan wrote: > I can't help you with the cover letter, but I live in Boston and love it. It is a wonderful place to live. Just for fun you should read http://www.moondragon.org/moondragon/humor/humorboston.html and BTW you know you are from Boston when it's your God-given right to cut someone off in traffic and you know there are only 25 letters in the alphabet (no R's). > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Alawami" > To: "nabs list list" > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:41 AM > Subject: [nabs-l] applying for a job > > >> Hello. I'm trying to write a good cover letter but my writing sucks big time. >> >> It is a job for the apple store in boston.I want to try and move there before the semester in january starts so I can learn the town and I figure living there would be a good idea. >> >> Any help in trying to write a good cover letter would be nice. I've googled but I am having writers block. >> >> Thanks all. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 02:35:17 2010 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 19:35:17 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] applying for a job In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <238F3BFD-4613-4020-9C90-A0CC3AC89724@gmail.com> No I'm not at a university anymore. Mine is cutting so many things even staff and tey don't even answer there phones anymore. I left. plan b? S On Jul 16, 2010, at 9:11 PM, Domonique Lawless wrote: > Hi Sarah, > Are you currently at a University or college? Two of the most underutilized tools in colleges are the career services center and writing labs. I'd suggest making appointments at one or both of these places and have them give you as much advice as possible for your first draft. Once your first draft is done schedule as many appointments as needed until they tell you that you need no more help from them and that you have a stunning cover letter that every boss would want to have on their desk. I hope this helps! Good luck on the job hunt. > > Best Wishes, > Domonique > On Jul 15, 2010, at 12:41 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Hello. I'm trying to write a good cover letter but my writing sucks big time. >> >> It is a job for the apple store in boston.I want to try and move there before the semester in january starts so I can learn the town and I figure living there would be a good idea. >> >> Any help in trying to write a good cover letter would be nice. I've googled but I am having writers block. >> >> Thanks all. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlawless86%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 02:36:09 2010 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 19:36:09 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind folks and the IPhone In-Reply-To: <00c001cb2473$51f0ddd0$f5d29970$@net> References: <00c001cb2473$51f0ddd0$f5d29970$@net> Message-ID: <60BD0426-5E06-4C9B-ADA5-5A0AFB0B0AFC@gmail.com> Oh it's doable. I love my iphone very much and I do not leave home with out it. I can do everything on it, except it have it do my dishes and homework. lol! anyways I love my iphone and if you need any help wiht it just ask. S On Jul 15, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Jim wrote: > Hello everyone, > > > > Lately, I've been seeing that the new IPhones have been coming out and have > become somewhat accessible, especially for blind folks. > > I am totally blind and am interested to hear from other blind IPhone users. > I am elegible for an upgrade from At&T, and I'm really tempted but want to > know if it is really doable and a good investment. I want to hear your > experiences and pros and cons. > > Also, how did you learn and what sorts of tutorials or manuals did you use? > > Talk to me! > > > > Jim P > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 02:31:52 2010 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 19:31:52 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] applying for a job In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1EE5B6ED-1AA4-472D-B828-530A7C337CA8@gmail.com> The problem is the job is a general job meanign i don't know what I'll do at any given time of day, or day. but yeah I suck at writing cover letters! lol! S On Jul 14, 2010, at 10:46 PM, Katy Carroll wrote: > Dear Sarah, > > writing cover letters just sucks. I try to stick to a format with three/four > themed paragraphs. in the first, i introduce myself and state exactly what > job I am seeking, in the second I concisely explain my qualifications for > the job. Thirdly, I expand on what i think I can bring to the job/ mention > when I would be available, mention that references are available (if > necessary...) > > Let me know how you do. > > Best of luck, > Kate > > On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Hello. I'm trying to write a good cover letter but my writing sucks big >> time. >> >> It is a job for the apple store in boston.I want to try and move there >> before the semester in january starts so I can learn the town and I figure >> living there would be a good idea. >> >> Any help in trying to write a good cover letter would be nice. I've googled >> but I am having writers block. >> >> Thanks all. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kc2992a%40student.american.edu >> > > > > -- > Kathryn CARROLL > BlueLaw International LLP > 703-647-7508 > Cell: 631-521-3018 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 02:38:52 2010 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 19:38:52 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind folks and the IPhone In-Reply-To: References: <00c001cb2473$51f0ddd0$f5d29970$@net> <1B48A187F6DA4A7A91152ADE188F783C@TamikaPC> Message-ID: Actually I used my hdadset and my bf heard an incoming call as well as my alerts. He even said something to the effect of someone's calling you. lol! S On Jul 16, 2010, at 8:20 PM, Marc Workman wrote: > Hi, > > I used to have a bit of a problem with the battery that required me to charge it every night. The problem, and many blind users were having this problem, was that your phone wouldn't always go on stand by, even when you locked it. This meant that the battery was being drained as though you were using it, even though it was locked. Since I updated to OS 4, however, I have not had this problem, and I've been able to get on average three days without a charge. Admittedly,I'm not a very heavy user, but I believe the iPhone battery, at least since the upgrade, is comparable to other phones. Of course, this does involve locking the phone while it isn't in use, but I don't know why you would leave it unlocked if you weren't using it anyway. > > I imagine that having people be able to hear incoming texts would be a little annoying, but I tend almost exclusively to use the headphones while using the phone, so this has never been an issue for me. > > I've been using the iPhone for a little over a year now, and one really great thing about it that I haven't heard mentioned yet is that Voiceover has improved with every major update. It seems to me that, to often with new technology, an upgrade means that adaptive tech users are left behind temporarily until the adaptive tech companies are able to catch up. With the iPhone, the updates from 3 to 3.1, and from 3.1 to 4, both had major improvements in the functionality of voiceover, which to me suggests that including voiceover on the phone was not something done as a one off, that Apple is commited to making this work. > > Best, > > Marc > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tamika Williams" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 11:56 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind folks and the IPhone > > >> Hello Jim, >> >> I too like others was very hesitant about purchasing the IPhone, but I turned out to love it after playing around with it on my free time for a couple of weeks. You have heard some upsides from me and others, now You ask what was some downsides, well there is a couple minor ones. One is the battery life is very short depending on how much you use it. You can keep it on lock and it will help preserve some of the battery, but me personally I have to put it on the charger about 2 or 3 times a day. Another one is while you are on the phone, your sound alerts are heard by the other person you are talking to. So if you receive another call, voicemail, text message, or someone is disconnecting off of a line it will all be heard by the person you are talking to. I don't know if there is a solution has been discovered for that yet. However, just like anything else there are going to be things you like and don't like, I think that the upsides definitely outweights the downsides. In addition, to access the voiceover feature you can also hith the home button 3 consecutive times quickly and it will toggle it on and off. Good luck in making your decission. >> >> Tamika Williams, AABS President >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim" >> To: "Jim" >> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:13 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] Blind folks and the IPhone >> >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> >>> >>> Lately, I've been seeing that the new IPhones have been coming out and have >>> become somewhat accessible, especially for blind folks. >>> >>> I am totally blind and am interested to hear from other blind IPhone users. >>> I am elegible for an upgrade from At&T, and I'm really tempted but want to >>> know if it is really doable and a good investment. I want to hear your >>> experiences and pros and cons. >>> >>> Also, how did you learn and what sorts of tutorials or manuals did you use? >>> >>> Talk to me! >>> >>> >>> >>> Jim P >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tamwill009%40comcast.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marrie12%40gmail.com From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sun Jul 18 03:05:05 2010 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:05:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Visual Media In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Mikaela, I applaud your willingness to tackle such a visual class. The last time I used any of these programs was about ten years ago when I still had quite a bit of usable vision. Perhaps others on the list may have more insight on tackling this challenge, but here are a few ideas to get you started. I have absolutely no idea if any of these programs are compatible with screen readers, but if you still have some usable vision, you might want to look into using a screen magnification program when using these programs for the class. If this is not a viable option, then perhaps you might want to inquire if you are assigned to groups when working on assignments. I would imagine as a group member you could be an active member of the group by pitching ideas, writing any non-visual components of an assignment, or volunteering to present the assignment in front of the class if it is a part of the assignment. If you will be working on more solo projects, maybe working with a sighted assistant from the art or advertising department might be an option especially if the class is more about design principles rather than simply mastering the art of learning how to use these programs. You could possibly dictate how you would like the page to look like, and perhaps provide some elements to put on the page, or even do the work yourself with the sighted assistant looking over your shoulder. I really have no idea, I’m just trying to provide some possibilities. Although, you might want to post your question on the journalism list if it is still around. I would imagine a class like this would also be a requirement for journalism as well. But at any rate, best of luck in tackling such a visual class. Let us know how it turns out. Elizabeth > Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:48:11 -0600 > From: mikaelastevens at gmail.com > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Visual Media > > Hello, > > Hope everyone is doing well! I have a concern that I think you can > help me with. I am majoring in communication with a public speaking > emphasis. Yesterday I registered for a visual media class that is > required for my major. As you might have guessed by the title of the > class, it will be a difficult one for a blind person, but I know it is > possible. > > I am going to meet with my teacher this week to discuss alternate ways > of doing this course. The three computer programs used in the class > are adobe photo shop, adobe in design and adobe illustrator. > > Has anyone ever worked with these programs? What can I do to make this > class accessible to me? > > Thank you in advance for the advice and help! Have a great week. > > -- > Mikaela Stevens > BYU-Idaho Student > 208-585-8468 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 From dandrews at visi.com Sun Jul 18 03:16:44 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:16:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] a couple of questions on NABS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The nabs presidents list is a "private, hidden" list. I put people on when instructed to do so by a NABS officer -- usually the President. Dave At 12:27 PM 7/14/2010, you wrote: >Hi, some time ago, there was an anouncement on this list regarding >NABS State presidents info and a new site going up. There were some >contact details for submission of NABS state president name and >contact info. Can anyone repost that message or give out the info? > >Also, I see that there is a list for NABS Sstate presidents, but while >looking on nfbnet.org, I could not find it with the rest of the lists. >Does anyone have info on that particular list as well? David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From trillian551 at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 12:22:58 2010 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 08:22:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Review of the Icon or Braille+ In-Reply-To: <6FD158B6BE4A489B840494C8294D0949@Rufus> References: <6FD158B6BE4A489B840494C8294D0949@Rufus> Message-ID: Hi Joe, I had a Braille+ about two years ago, it was when it first came out. Unfortunately, i managed to lose mine and it was a tragic experience. It is a truly wonderful little machine. Navigating the internet is superb, the music player is fantastic, and listening to books and such is really great. The way the keyboard works is that you can use it as like a phone texting style or use the six braille buttons. Most times I opted for the braille style since I just don't like the texting style even with a phone. You can write like notes and stuff it's not meant to be a full blown notetaker, it's a PDA. I would highly, highly, recommend it. It's a great little machine and honestly I'm surprised it's not more popular. The portability and syncability is just awesome! Hope that helps! Mary F On 7/17/10, Joe Orozco wrote: > Hello, > > Is anyone out there using the Icon or Braille+? If so, would you mind > sharing your thoughts? I currently use a Victor Stream, and it wasn't until > today that I came across a description of this little device with greater > storage capacity and a myriad of other features. I'd be curious to hear > about stability, practical uses, keyboard comfort, etc. Also, unless > something's been updated, can anyone tell if the wireless standard has been > expanded to use G? Thanks for any tips. > > Best, > > Joe > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory University 2012 P.O. Box 123056 Atlanta Ga. 30322 Phone: 732-857-7004 "Books are the quietest and most constant of friends; they are the most accessible and wisest of counselors, and the most patient of teachers." Charles W. Eliot From haltaf at carrollu.edu Sun Jul 18 17:54:43 2010 From: haltaf at carrollu.edu (Hina) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:54:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] need help Message-ID: <2E7BBC06B40A448F8A52EFB1D330C7FD@DB8D43F1> hi friends, I am working on a project to help a university to make their campus accessible and would need some feedback from you all. please send me some of the recommendations that you think a university should implement for people with disabilities? which universities are good for people with disabilities? thanks. hina. From jsorozco at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 18:33:16 2010 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:33:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] need help In-Reply-To: <2E7BBC06B40A448F8A52EFB1D330C7FD@DB8D43F1> References: <2E7BBC06B40A448F8A52EFB1D330C7FD@DB8D43F1> Message-ID: <5DD34D1A4D4749FB8DEA47679A490AC8@Rufus> I don't understand why people insist on identifying universities that are friendly to people with disabilities. Forgive what may come across as a blunt tone, but if students are going to make a large time and money investment in higher education, they should select schools for their programs, not for the capacity of the disability service. At the Catholic University of America here in DC the disability office didn't even know I exist until the coordinator caught sight of me shortly before my graduation procession, and you know, I think I did alright. The natural argument that people raise at this point is that not all students are built the same. Some students need more help than others. >From this corner, the bottom line is that if by college a student has not figured out how to find readers, use scanners or negotiate testing environments with their professors, they ought to consider training at a center or dismiss the idea of going to college. After high school, education is an option, not a right. College is only a fraction of the rest of people's lives, and outside of the blindness field and government sector, there are no special accommodation offices in the workplace. Now, please do not misunderstand. If a college offers a wide range of accommodations, there is no reason why the student should not take advantage where he or she feels it necessary. Yet, stay in control of what you actually need versus what is prescribed, and remember not to become so dependent on these services that you are virtually helpless when you begin competing against your sighted peers in the job market. Respectfully, Joe "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Hina Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 1:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] need help hi friends, I am working on a project to help a university to make their campus accessible and would need some feedback from you all. please send me some of the recommendations that you think a university should implement for people with disabilities? which universities are good for people with disabilities? thanks. hina. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco %40gmail.com From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 19:10:49 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:10:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] need help In-Reply-To: <5DD34D1A4D4749FB8DEA47679A490AC8@Rufus> References: <2E7BBC06B40A448F8A52EFB1D330C7FD@DB8D43F1> <5DD34D1A4D4749FB8DEA47679A490AC8@Rufus> Message-ID: Jo, You may some good points, but such points, in my opinion, only pertain to pepople who were blind when they went to school. Many blind people became such after they graduated from high school, some long after. For example, I graduated from high school in 2003. I became blind in 2008, and I'll be starting my freshman year of college in the fall. I went to the North Carolina rehab center for the blind to learn basic techniques, but I didn't get into the college prep class because 1) there's only one teacher for the class, 2) there's a long waiting list for the class, and 3) there's a 15 week maximum at the rehab center. This upset me to no end, because now I'm trying to go to college with very little training in how to do so. I'm working with the DSS at the community college, and I don't think I could do it without their help. As for what to do for an accessible campus? First off, if there are steps, there should be a ramp. I've seen too many places on campuses where there are steps and the only way to go if you need a ramp is way on the other side of the area. The ramp should not be out of the way. And the stairs/steps must have a railing. Many people can use stairs, but only if they can hold on to a railing. There should also be curb cuts at all crosswalks and intersections. All rooms (classrooms, offices, conference rooms, etc) need to have Braille and large numbers, and the sign that has the numbers ain large print and Braille should be in the same place for every room if possible. At the community college I am attending in the fall, the sign is not in the same place for each classroom and that can make it hard to find the sign. When I'm rushing to find the right room number, I won't have time to fumble for a sign that's not there. Any building that has classroom on a second story should have an elevator. No classroom should be inaccessible because of stairs or steep inclines. Any heavy door should have an automatic opener with a button. This is not just for wheelchair-users. I use a white cane and a support cane. Between those and my rolling backpack on a rope...I have no hands to hold a door open! The same goes for someone who has a guide dog and uses a support cane and some walker-users. It's really hard to hold a door open while getting your walker through. All fire alarms should have both an audible and visual alarm, but the visual should not be at a strobe that causes seizures in people with photosensitive epilepsy. Any payphones available should have at least one with TTY capabilities, even better if that TTY also has a refreshable Braille display for the deafblind, though often deafblind persons have their own refreshable Braille display with them, so if not possible to provide one there, a TTY with Braille capabilities would be fine. A tactile map is a great thing to have available. Having one placed where the main map for sighted people is placed would be good, as well as one in the disability office. The disability office should have an embosser available for printing Braille as needed, and be willing to scan books into Word documents onto a CD or flash drive. Accessible computers should be available wherever there is a group of computers (for example, the library should have at least one computer with JAWS and one with ZoomText, and the disability office should have a bank of accessible computers). All sites that are used in classes and the website for the school itself should be fully accessible. If it is not, it should be re-designed to be accessible. If a website used for a class (for example, my Spanish class in the fall uses a website in conjunction with the book. It is accessible as far as I have been able to test it without the book). Other accessibility issues would include closed caption and descriptive services for videos shown for a class, water fountains that don't stick out into the hallway (a cane will not find it and a blind person may run into it, as I have in the past), and enough room between chairs, in hallways, and in doorways for a wheelchair to pass. Read the ADA's checklist for accessibility to get some more ideas. Accessibility is not about services so much as it is about universal design in structure of buildings, classes, and services. People with disabilities don't need extra services, just equal ones. ~Jewel On 7/18/10, Joe Orozco wrote: > I don't understand why people insist on identifying universities that are > friendly to people with disabilities. Forgive what may come across as a > blunt tone, but if students are going to make a large time and money > investment in higher education, they should select schools for their > programs, not for the capacity of the disability service. At the Catholic > University of America here in DC the disability office didn't even know I > exist until the coordinator caught sight of me shortly before my graduation > procession, and you know, I think I did alright. > > The natural argument that people raise at this point is that not all > students are built the same. Some students need more help than others. > >From this corner, the bottom line is that if by college a student has not > figured out how to find readers, use scanners or negotiate testing > environments with their professors, they ought to consider training at a > center or dismiss the idea of going to college. After high school, > education is an option, not a right. College is only a fraction of the rest > of people's lives, and outside of the blindness field and government sector, > there are no special accommodation offices in the workplace. > > Now, please do not misunderstand. If a college offers a wide range of > accommodations, there is no reason why the student should not take advantage > where he or she feels it necessary. Yet, stay in control of what you > actually need versus what is prescribed, and remember not to become so > dependent on these services that you are virtually helpless when you begin > competing against your sighted peers in the job market. > > Respectfully, > > Joe > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Hina > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 1:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] need help > > hi friends, > I am working on a project to help a university to make their > campus accessible and would need some feedback from you all. > please send me some of the recommendations that you think a > university should implement for people with disabilities? > > > which universities are good for people with disabilities? > thanks. > hina. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From mworkman.lists at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 19:20:54 2010 From: mworkman.lists at gmail.com (Marc Workman) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:20:54 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] need help In-Reply-To: <5DD34D1A4D4749FB8DEA47679A490AC8@Rufus> References: <2E7BBC06B40A448F8A52EFB1D330C7FD@DB8D43F1> <5DD34D1A4D4749FB8DEA47679A490AC8@Rufus> Message-ID: Joe said, I don't understand why people insist on identifying universities that are friendly to people with disabilities. Forgive what may come across as a blunt tone, but if students are going to make a large time and money investment in higher education, they should select schools for their programs, not for the capacity of the disability service. Marc says, The question was aimed at identifying ways in which services could be improved. This does not imply that anyone would select a university based on disability services. I do think, however, that it may factor in to ones decision in the same way city attractions, transportation, housing, and so on do. Joe said, the bottom line is that if by college a student has not figured out how to find readers, use scanners or negotiate testing environments with their professors, they ought to consider training at a center or dismiss the idea of going to college. Marc says, I suppose that sighted students that don't demonstrate these skills should also forego a college education. Joe said, After high school, education is an option, not a right. Marc says, True, but receiving the same quality of education that others receive when paying the same costs is a right. If colleges design there programs in such a way that some are disadvantaged or excluded all together, that is an injustice and should be viewed and treated as such. I take your point, Joe: the world is not perfect, and receiving assistance in college can make one less able to cope in the job market where such assistance is not available. This may be true, but it doesnt make it any less of an injustice that should be fought against. If the above statement is true, then the solution, to me, is that more should be done to ensure that the job market is accessible. I think the incredibly large percentage of unemployed and underemployed blind people supports this claim. The bottom line is that, if a product, service, or institution, is unnecessarily designed in such a way that a segment of the population is disadvanteged or excluded, this is a problem, and steps should be taken to eliminate the disadvantage or exclusion. It's not about babying people, or giving them special treatment, it is about recognizing that it is wrong for people in power to set things up in ways that perpetuate their dominance at the cost of disadvantageing and excluding others. Regards, Marc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Orozco" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] need help >I don't understand why people insist on identifying universities that are > friendly to people with disabilities. Forgive what may come across as a > blunt tone, but if students are going to make a large time and money > investment in higher education, they should select schools for their > programs, not for the capacity of the disability service. At the Catholic > University of America here in DC the disability office didn't even know I > exist until the coordinator caught sight of me shortly before my > graduation > procession, and you know, I think I did alright. > > The natural argument that people raise at this point is that not all > students are built the same. Some students need more help than others. >>From this corner, the bottom line is that if by college a student has not > figured out how to find readers, use scanners or negotiate testing > environments with their professors, they ought to consider training at a > center or dismiss the idea of going to college. After high school, > education is an option, not a right. College is only a fraction of the > rest > of people's lives, and outside of the blindness field and government > sector, > there are no special accommodation offices in the workplace. > > Now, please do not misunderstand. If a college offers a wide range of > accommodations, there is no reason why the student should not take > advantage > where he or she feels it necessary. Yet, stay in control of what you > actually need versus what is prescribed, and remember not to become so > dependent on these services that you are virtually helpless when you begin > competing against your sighted peers in the job market. > > Respectfully, > > Joe > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Hina > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 1:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] need help > > hi friends, > I am working on a project to help a university to make their > campus accessible and would need some feedback from you all. > please send me some of the recommendations that you think a > university should implement for people with disabilities? > > > which universities are good for people with disabilities? > thanks. > hina. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 18 19:30:41 2010 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] need help In-Reply-To: <5DD34D1A4D4749FB8DEA47679A490AC8@Rufus> Message-ID: <709669.56629.qm@web53805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Joe, I respectfully disagree with. Although you have valid points, but there is difference in university which are accessible and those who are not accessible and friendly for students with disabilities. First not all students are lucky enough to be able to eather by scanning software and other adoptive technology or have rehab buy one for them therefore, for those students unversities which have adoptive technology in there labs or library or at the disability services makes a huge difference. In addition, universities who have experience working with students whith disabilities and can assist their faculty in helping them on techniques on how to assist students with disabilities can determine a student's success. Having said all that, your point that students should select their university based on the program and the reputation and not where they stand on accessibility for students with disabilities, but all rankings accessibility for students with disabilities should also be included. I commend universities who are trying to make their campus accessible for students with disabilities. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Sun, 7/18/10, Joe Orozco wrote: > From: Joe Orozco > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] need help > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date: Sunday, July 18, 2010, 1:33 PM > I don't understand why people insist > on identifying universities that are > friendly to people with disabilities.  Forgive what > may come across as a > blunt tone, but if students are going to make a large time > and money > investment in higher education, they should select schools > for their > programs, not for the capacity of the disability > service.  At the Catholic > University of America here in DC the disability office > didn't even know I > exist until the coordinator caught sight of me shortly > before my graduation > procession, and you know, I think I did alright. > > The natural argument that people raise at this point is > that not all > students are built the same.  Some students need more > help than others. > >From this corner, the bottom line is that if by college > a student has not > figured out how to find readers, use scanners or negotiate > testing > environments with their professors, they ought to consider > training at a > center or dismiss the idea of going to college.  After > high school, > education is an option, not a right.  College is only > a fraction of the rest > of people's lives, and outside of the blindness field and > government sector, > there are no special accommodation offices in the > workplace. > > Now, please do not misunderstand.  If a college offers > a wide range of > accommodations, there is no reason why the student should > not take advantage > where he or she feels it necessary.  Yet, stay in > control of what you > actually need versus what is prescribed, and remember not > to become so > dependent on these services that you are virtually helpless > when you begin > competing against your sighted peers in the job market. > > Respectfully, > > Joe > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up > their sleeves, > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at > all."--Sam Ewing > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf Of Hina > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 1:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] need help > > hi friends, > I am working on a project to help a university to make > their > campus accessible and would need some feedback from you > all. > please send  me some of the recommendations that you > think a > university should implement for people with disabilities? > > > which universities are good for people with disabilities? > thanks. > hina. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account > info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sun Jul 18 19:36:09 2010 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:36:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] need help In-Reply-To: <2E7BBC06B40A448F8A52EFB1D330C7FD@DB8D43F1> References: <2E7BBC06B40A448F8A52EFB1D330C7FD@DB8D43F1> Message-ID: Hello hina, I am not quite sure what you mean when you say that you are working on a project to make a campus more accessible for students with disabilities. If you are concerned about the lack of Braille signs throughout the campus, then perhaps you might want to think about putting a group of people together who would be willing to work on such a project. I could see this as a good project for bringing awareness to Braille literacy. As far as which universities are good for people with disabilities, especially for those who are blind, I would probably say that any college or university that does not have a disabilities office or does not force you to work with the disabilities office would be the best way to go. While it is nice to have someone else do all the work when it comes to providing accommodations, it can be equally frustrating when they fail to follow through and do not do what they say they are going to do. Perhaps others have had a different experience, but I find working with the disabilities office to be more annoying and frustrating than helpful. I use their services only when necessary or when I do not have the resources to provide the accommodations on my own. When money is tight, you sometimes have to choose what you can live with and what you can live without. Sometimes I think life would be easier if I was not forced to work with the disabilities office to receive accommodations. As someone who has tried working with the disabilities office to improve the quality of accommodations on campus, I can tell you that it is a vary daunting and time-consuming task. While I am all for improving things so that everyone can benefit from it, there comes a point in time where you have to think more about yourself rather than trying to help out someone else. Hopefully this helps, Elizabeth > From: haltaf at carrollu.edu > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:54:43 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] need help > > hi friends, > I am working on a project to help a university to make their campus accessible and would need some feedback from you all. please send me some of the recommendations that you think a university should implement for people with disabilities? > > > which universities are good for people with disabilities? > thanks. > hina. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 From haltaf at carrollu.edu Sun Jul 18 19:41:23 2010 From: haltaf at carrollu.edu (Hina) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:41:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] need help References: <2E7BBC06B40A448F8A52EFB1D330C7FD@DB8D43F1><5DD34D1A4D4749FB8DEA47679A490AC8@Rufus> Message-ID: thanks jewel, i do appreciate your detailed response and i do agree that those who lose their sight later in life should be properly accomodated as well by colleges/universities. hina. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jewel S." To: ; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] need help Jo, You may some good points, but such points, in my opinion, only pertain to pepople who were blind when they went to school. Many blind people became such after they graduated from high school, some long after. For example, I graduated from high school in 2003. I became blind in 2008, and I'll be starting my freshman year of college in the fall. I went to the North Carolina rehab center for the blind to learn basic techniques, but I didn't get into the college prep class because 1) there's only one teacher for the class, 2) there's a long waiting list for the class, and 3) there's a 15 week maximum at the rehab center. This upset me to no end, because now I'm trying to go to college with very little training in how to do so. I'm working with the DSS at the community college, and I don't think I could do it without their help. As for what to do for an accessible campus? First off, if there are steps, there should be a ramp. I've seen too many places on campuses where there are steps and the only way to go if you need a ramp is way on the other side of the area. The ramp should not be out of the way. And the stairs/steps must have a railing. Many people can use stairs, but only if they can hold on to a railing. There should also be curb cuts at all crosswalks and intersections. All rooms (classrooms, offices, conference rooms, etc) need to have Braille and large numbers, and the sign that has the numbers ain large print and Braille should be in the same place for every room if possible. At the community college I am attending in the fall, the sign is not in the same place for each classroom and that can make it hard to find the sign. When I'm rushing to find the right room number, I won't have time to fumble for a sign that's not there. Any building that has classroom on a second story should have an elevator. No classroom should be inaccessible because of stairs or steep inclines. Any heavy door should have an automatic opener with a button. This is not just for wheelchair-users. I use a white cane and a support cane. Between those and my rolling backpack on a rope...I have no hands to hold a door open! The same goes for someone who has a guide dog and uses a support cane and some walker-users. It's really hard to hold a door open while getting your walker through. All fire alarms should have both an audible and visual alarm, but the visual should not be at a strobe that causes seizures in people with photosensitive epilepsy. Any payphones available should have at least one with TTY capabilities, even better if that TTY also has a refreshable Braille display for the deafblind, though often deafblind persons have their own refreshable Braille display with them, so if not possible to provide one there, a TTY with Braille capabilities would be fine. A tactile map is a great thing to have available. Having one placed where the main map for sighted people is placed would be good, as well as one in the disability office. The disability office should have an embosser available for printing Braille as needed, and be willing to scan books into Word documents onto a CD or flash drive. Accessible computers should be available wherever there is a group of computers (for example, the library should have at least one computer with JAWS and one with ZoomText, and the disability office should have a bank of accessible computers). All sites that are used in classes and the website for the school itself should be fully accessible. If it is not, it should be re-designed to be accessible. If a website used for a class (for example, my Spanish class in the fall uses a website in conjunction with the book. It is accessible as far as I have been able to test it without the book). Other accessibility issues would include closed caption and descriptive services for videos shown for a class, water fountains that don't stick out into the hallway (a cane will not find it and a blind person may run into it, as I have in the past), and enough room between chairs, in hallways, and in doorways for a wheelchair to pass. Read the ADA's checklist for accessibility to get some more ideas. Accessibility is not about services so much as it is about universal design in structure of buildings, classes, and services. People with disabilities don't need extra services, just equal ones. ~Jewel On 7/18/10, Joe Orozco wrote: > I don't understand why people insist on identifying universities that are > friendly to people with disabilities. Forgive what may come across as a > blunt tone, but if students are going to make a large time and money > investment in higher education, they should select schools for their > programs, not for the capacity of the disability service. At the Catholic > University of America here in DC the disability office didn't even know I > exist until the coordinator caught sight of me shortly before my > graduation > procession, and you know, I think I did alright. > > The natural argument that people raise at this point is that not all > students are built the same. Some students need more help than others. > >From this corner, the bottom line is that if by college a student has not > figured out how to find readers, use scanners or negotiate testing > environments with their professors, they ought to consider training at a > center or dismiss the idea of going to college. After high school, > education is an option, not a right. College is only a fraction of the > rest > of people's lives, and outside of the blindness field and government > sector, > there are no special accommodation offices in the workplace. > > Now, please do not misunderstand. If a college offers a wide range of > accommodations, there is no reason why the student should not take > advantage > where he or she feels it necessary. Yet, stay in control of what you > actually need versus what is prescribed, and remember not to become so > dependent on these services that you are virtually helpless when you begin > competing against your sighted peers in the job market. > > Respectfully, > > Joe > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Hina > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 1:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] need help > > hi friends, > I am working on a project to help a university to make their > campus accessible and would need some feedback from you all. > please send me some of the recommendations that you think a > university should implement for people with disabilities? > > > which universities are good for people with disabilities? > thanks. > hina. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haltaf%40carrollu.edu From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 18 19:43:58 2010 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] need help In-Reply-To: <2E7BBC06B40A448F8A52EFB1D330C7FD@DB8D43F1> Message-ID: <696421.65163.qm@web53805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Hina, My university (University of Arkansas at Little Rock) I think is a good model for campus accessibility for students with disabilities. When I graduated from high school and was considering this university, I heard that even though the campus was accessible , but the disability office was not that friendly and the faculty was not that understanding about how to help students with disabilities. How big is this university? It would not hurt a big university with some money to purchase some adaptive technology such as screen readers and ocr software. It would not hurt for the disability office to do a small workshop for faculty at the start of the fall semester before students start classes for the faculty on techniques for assisting students with disabilities and make them aware of accomadations available for them such as extra time on tests and so on. Form my personal experience most faculty have good ententions but they just forget somethings such as a blind student can not read the board so what they write on the board needs to be said orally. These are just some of my tips but email me off list or come on msn messenger and I am sure I will think of some more. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Sun, 7/18/10, Hina wrote: > From: Hina > Subject: [nabs-l] need help > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date: Sunday, July 18, 2010, 12:54 PM > hi friends, > I am working on a project to help a university to make > their campus accessible and would need some feedback from > you all. please send  me some of the recommendations > that you think a university should implement for people with > disabilities? > > > which universities are good for people with disabilities? > thanks. > hina. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From haltaf at carrollu.edu Sun Jul 18 19:44:25 2010 From: haltaf at carrollu.edu (Hina) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:44:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] need help References: <2E7BBC06B40A448F8A52EFB1D330C7FD@DB8D43F1> Message-ID: <77AAB8D6DB19474EAA49832931E425C8@DB8D43F1> thanks elizabeth, i know how frustrating it is to deal with disability offices and i have been through myself. that's why i am working to compile a list of things that can be done for future use and to help other universities as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth" To: Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] need help Hello hina, I am not quite sure what you mean when you say that you are working on a project to make a campus more accessible for students with disabilities. If you are concerned about the lack of Braille signs throughout the campus, then perhaps you might want to think about putting a group of people together who would be willing to work on such a project. I could see this as a good project for bringing awareness to Braille literacy. As far as which universities are good for people with disabilities, especially for those who are blind, I would probably say that any college or university that does not have a disabilities office or does not force you to work with the disabilities office would be the best way to go. While it is nice to have someone else do all the work when it comes to providing accommodations, it can be equally frustrating when they fail to follow through and do not do what they say they are going to do. Perhaps others have had a different experience, but I find working with the disabilities office to be more annoying and frustrating than helpful. I use their services only when necessary or when I do not have the resources to provide the accommodations on my own. When money is tight, you sometimes have to choose what you can live with and what you can live without. Sometimes I think life would be easier if I was not forced to work with the disabilities office to receive accommodations. As someone who has tried working with the disabilities office to improve the quality of accommodations on campus, I can tell you that it is a vary daunting and time-consuming task. While I am all for improving things so that everyone can benefit from it, there comes a point in time where you have to think more about yourself rather than trying to help out someone else. Hopefully this helps, Elizabeth > From: haltaf at carrollu.edu > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:54:43 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] need help > > hi friends, > I am working on a project to help a university to make their campus > accessible and would need some feedback from you all. please send me some > of the recommendations that you think a university should implement for > people with disabilities? > > > which universities are good for people with disabilities? > thanks. > hina. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccount&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haltaf%40carrollu.edu From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 18 19:51:19 2010 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] need help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <643412.42179.qm@web53808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I could not agree with you more Marc. By the way are you the same Marc who I met at the convention and I was suppose to call for some personal safety training? If so I am sorry but the convention was just so busy I really did notfind the time to train for some good quality time but it would still benefit me to get some training and if you know of any any trainers in the Little Rock and do not mind sharing I would really appreciate it. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Sun, 7/18/10, Marc Workman wrote: > From: Marc Workman > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] need help > To: jsorozco at gmail.com, "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date: Sunday, July 18, 2010, 2:20 PM > Joe said, > I don't understand why people insist on identifying > universities that are > friendly to people with disabilities.  Forgive what > may come across as a > blunt tone, but if students are going to make a large time > and money > investment in higher education, they should select schools > for their > programs, not for the capacity of the disability service. > > Marc says, > The question was aimed at identifying ways in which > services could be improved.  This does not imply that > anyone would select a university based on disability > services.  I do think, however, that it may factor in > to ones decision in the same way city attractions, > transportation, housing, and so on do. > > Joe said, > the bottom line is that if by college a student has not > figured out how to find readers, use scanners or negotiate > testing > environments with their professors, they ought to consider > training at a > center or dismiss the idea of going to college. > > Marc says, > I suppose that sighted students that don't demonstrate > these skills should also forego a college education. > > Joe said, > After high school, education is an option, not a right. > > Marc says, > True, but receiving the same quality of education that > others receive when paying the same costs is a right.  > If colleges design there programs in such a way that some > are disadvantaged or excluded all together, that is an > injustice and should be viewed and treated as such. > > I take your point, Joe: the world is not perfect, and > receiving assistance in college can make one less able to > cope in the job market where such assistance is not > available.  This may be true, but it doesnt make it any > less of an injustice that should be fought against.  If > the above statement is true, then the solution, to me, is > that more should be done to ensure that the job market is > accessible.  I think the incredibly large percentage of > unemployed and underemployed blind people supports this > claim. > > The bottom line is that, if a product, service, or > institution, is unnecessarily designed in such a way that a > segment of the population is disadvanteged or excluded, this > is a problem, and steps should be taken to eliminate the > disadvantage or exclusion.  It's not about babying > people, or giving them special treatment, it is about > recognizing that it is wrong for people in power to set > things up in ways that perpetuate their dominance at the > cost of disadvantageing and excluding others. > > Regards, > > Marc > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Orozco" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] need help > > > > I don't understand why people insist on identifying > universities that are > > friendly to people with disabilities.  Forgive > what may come across as a > > blunt tone, but if students are going to make a large > time and money > > investment in higher education, they should select > schools for their > > programs, not for the capacity of the disability > service.  At the Catholic > > University of America here in DC the disability office > didn't even know I > > exist until the coordinator caught sight of me shortly > before my graduation > > procession, and you know, I think I did alright. > > > > The natural argument that people raise at this point > is that not all > > students are built the same.  Some students need > more help than others. > >> From this corner, the bottom line is that if by > college a student has not > > figured out how to find readers, use scanners or > negotiate testing > > environments with their professors, they ought to > consider training at a > > center or dismiss the idea of going to college.  > After high school, > > education is an option, not a right.  College is > only a fraction of the rest > > of people's lives, and outside of the blindness field > and government sector, > > there are no special accommodation offices in the > workplace. > > > > Now, please do not misunderstand.  If a college > offers a wide range of > > accommodations, there is no reason why the student > should not take advantage > > where he or she feels it necessary.  Yet, stay in > control of what you > > actually need versus what is prescribed, and remember > not to become so > > dependent on these services that you are virtually > helpless when you begin > > competing against your sighted peers in the job > market. > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Joe > > > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some > turn up their sleeves, > > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at > all."--Sam Ewing > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf Of Hina > > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 1:55 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > Subject: [nabs-l] need help > > > > hi friends, > > I am working on a project to help a university to make > their > > campus accessible and would need some feedback from > you all. > > please send  me some of the recommendations that > you think a > > university should implement for people with > disabilities? > > > > > > which universities are good for people with > disabilities? > > thanks. > > hina. > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account > > info for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco > > %40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jul 18 20:56:22 2010 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:56:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Review of the Icon or Braille+ References: <6FD158B6BE4A489B840494C8294D0949@Rufus> Message-ID: Where do you purchase these products? I know little about them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Orozco" To: "'NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List'" ; "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" ; "'Discussion list for NABS,National Alliance of Blind Students.'" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 5:27 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Review of the Icon or Braille+ > Hello, > > Is anyone out there using the Icon or Braille+? If so, would you mind > sharing your thoughts? I currently use a Victor Stream, and it wasn't > until > today that I came across a description of this little device with greater > storage capacity and a myriad of other features. I'd be curious to hear > about stability, practical uses, keyboard comfort, etc. Also, unless > something's been updated, can anyone tell if the wireless standard has > been > expanded to use G? Thanks for any tips. > > Best, > > Joe > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jul 18 21:33:57 2010 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 17:33:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] need help References: <2E7BBC06B40A448F8A52EFB1D330C7FD@DB8D43F1> Message-ID: <43A384F2114444D1A8C4C9964CCF3043@Ashley> Hina, What universities are good for people with disabilities is a matter of opinion. When you say accessible campus, do you mean accessible environment or accessible in terms of the academic curriculum. I don't know so I'll address both. For the environment I second what Jewel said. Any steps should be near a ramp rather than on the other side of the building. All steps should have railings. I find the railing very helpful for balance purposes. Elevators should be kept in good working order; I've been to campuses where the elevator is out of order and takes forever to get it fixed. The elevator should also have braille and raised print numbers. Curb cuts should be at all intersections. With good training a blind traveler should not need much modification to the environment. That said these things would be helpful in making orientation easier. 1. The university should have a tactile map of the campus available at student services and the disability office. 2. Braille and large print raised signs should be by each room. I've seen some restrooms without braille signs and I have to ask what it says or get closer and read it with my limited vision; I'm not kidding. You don't want to enter the wrong restroom! 3. Major entrances should have a button to automatically open the door. This is helpful since I have a cane in one hand and may have something in my other hand. 4. Some students have sensativity to lights. So ideally the flexibility to dim the lights in classrooms may be helpful. 5. If the university provides ATMS, they should have one with speech access. 6. Cafeteria staff should have training in helping students such as training in sighted guide . You need them to help you know what is at each station unless you have a friend walk the food line with you. 7. Keeping hallways uncluttered and the absence of such things as water fountains sticking out in the hallway is helpful. Like Jewel, I use a cane but I have hit a water fountain. Also keeping advertisements on stands out of the hall is helpful too. A cane may not always find them because the sign only has two legs that your cane may or may not contact. For access to academics, I agree with what was said. Websites for the school and class use should be accessible. It would be equal access also if the university purchased adaptive software and technology. Zoomtext and jaws should be available on computers in the library. Ideally I think the disability office should have CCTVs and OCR software as well. The university should be willing to scan textbooks or get them in electronic format. For class movies if they are not audio described and its unlikely they will be, the professor should let the blind student borrow the video so he/she can watch it with a reader. I ran into that problem too in a communication class. Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hina" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: [nabs-l] need help > hi friends, > I am working on a project to help a university to make their campus > accessible and would need some feedback from you all. please send me some > of the recommendations that you think a university should implement for > people with disabilities? > > > which universities are good for people with disabilities? > thanks. > hina. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > From jsorozco at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 21:38:19 2010 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 17:38:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] need help In-Reply-To: References: <2E7BBC06B40A448F8A52EFB1D330C7FD@DB8D43F1><5DD34D1A4D4749FB8DEA47679A490AC8@Rufus> Message-ID: <209BCCF30FBA426DA757E7816082216B@Rufus> Jewel, I think you took a better, broader approach to the question. I wondered if structural accessibility should be covered, and I guess my position is a little mixed. On the one hand, if an institution is receiving federal funds, it ought to make these physical accommodations happen for the people who need them. I do not like that people in wheelchairs need to sometimes cruise around the block to get into the same entrance. On the other hand, I wonder if excessive accommodations are limiting a person's capacity to deal with the rest of the world where people are not so considerate. Yes, public places are generally expected to have Braille signs, wheelchair ramps, and wider bathroom stalls, but is it cost efficient to create accessible bubbles on college campuses, or would it be preferable to advocate for a universally accessible design all around. I would personally be in favor of the latter so that physical university accessibility is more than just feel-good projects that make the administration feel as though they are making people with disabilities feel welcomed. Structural accommodations are a tough one for me, and I will admit to sitting on the fence about it. I'm afraid I disagree with the blindness later in life argument. A lot of things can happen to people later in life. This does not necessarily change people's mentality, and since we already see the varying degrees of disability services on campuses, I think we can agree that we will never be able to create the perfect disability office that ideally fits everyone's needs since disabilities dramatically range from the most obvious to the most subtle. I believe universities are places where people go to fulfill the specific task of obtaining higher education, not the place where people receive higher education and training simultaneously. Job interviews are pretty grim equalizers after college, and as much as I believe in equal rights, I think employers have a right to select the most qualified candidates based on what they can provide now, not what they could potentially provide later. Marc, Selecting disability-friendly universities is not the same as selecting cities, transportation, and housing. While the location of a school should certainly play into a person's choice, using the accessibility quality of a campus is like a business student choosing to attend Texas A&M because the people are super nice. Would this same person turn down the University of Texas even though the people are not as nice but it has a stronger business school? The quality of a school's accessibility is so contingent on the administration currently present at a school that it is like using an orange traffic cone as a landmark to find your way to a building's front door. It may not be there tomorrow. Yes, actually if sighted students can't exhibit these listed responsibilities, they too should reevaluate college. Contrary to popular myth, college is not for everyone, and there are enough successful people without college that no one should feel as if they have to attend a university to make something of themselves, but, if you want to go straight up blind versus sighted, then, yes, I think we'd all agree that blind people need to be that much more prepared than their sighted peers to excel in school or any other aspect of life for that matter. A school that provides great accessibility may only be running the risk of providing that person's training with a false sense of confidence. Your argument about higher education as a right would hold more weight if blind people were denied access to education. No one is being denied access to the university, and the same challenges blind students face in the classroom are the same challenges they are going to face in the workplace. Or, are you suggesting that all persons with a college degree have a right to a job after graduating? There are plenty of blind people who invest in college who still do not have a job, just as is true of sighted graduates. I do not agree that the answer is an accessible job market. To me, the answer is a better K-12 education system. Yes, I acknowledge all the people who come by a disability later in life should have proper recourse, but I think that responsibility falls on the shoulders of consumer groups like the NFB to continue advocating for accessible technology, better rehabilitation training standards, better Braille literacy rates, etc. for the community as a whole. And, I do not think people in power intentionally designed the college experience to shaft people with disabilities. The NFB president made it through one of the country's leading law schools with far less accommodations than we enjoy today. Are you going to tell me our generation is somehow less capable of accomplishing the same feat with far more technological advances? Anmol, Give me an example of a student who has not received some type of equipment assistance from their state agency. If they exist, NABS needs to short-lists these states and ramrod them into compliance. Even in cases where students attend private institutions receive some measure of assistance to purchase adaptive products. I see what you mean about experienced disability offices who can properly teach faculty what people with disabilities need, but then, isn't this part of our overarching problem? People pretending to know what we need? No one will be able to better convey to faculty what I need better than myself. To all, I realize I may be coming off as the NABS Grinch on this subject. I just don't want people to be lulled into collapsing a really good disability service college experience with the rest of reality. If you're currently stuck at a school where the only disability service is a one-man show where the man in question is never around, please bombard this list with questions. We need to hear from you, and if we can hook you up with a good member in your area to spend time showing you the ropes, then I guess that's what needs to happen. The point is, college is the beginning of the rest of your life. It may be tough as hell, but there is always a way to help you get through it. Best, Joe "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing From haltaf at carrollu.edu Sun Jul 18 22:21:09 2010 From: haltaf at carrollu.edu (Hina) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 17:21:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] need help References: <2E7BBC06B40A448F8A52EFB1D330C7FD@DB8D43F1><5DD34D1A4D4749FB8DEA47679A490AC8@Rufus> <209BCCF30FBA426DA757E7816082216B@Rufus> Message-ID: joe to answer your question as anmol said not everyone gets accessible equipment by state agency is that most of the international students who come to study in US do not qualify for state help and the only way for them to get any help is through their disability department. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Orozco" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] need help Jewel, I think you took a better, broader approach to the question. I wondered if structural accessibility should be covered, and I guess my position is a little mixed. On the one hand, if an institution is receiving federal funds, it ought to make these physical accommodations happen for the people who need them. I do not like that people in wheelchairs need to sometimes cruise around the block to get into the same entrance. On the other hand, I wonder if excessive accommodations are limiting a person's capacity to deal with the rest of the world where people are not so considerate. Yes, public places are generally expected to have Braille signs, wheelchair ramps, and wider bathroom stalls, but is it cost efficient to create accessible bubbles on college campuses, or would it be preferable to advocate for a universally accessible design all around. I would personally be in favor of the latter so that physical university accessibility is more than just feel-good projects that make the administration feel as though they are making people with disabilities feel welcomed. Structural accommodations are a tough one for me, and I will admit to sitting on the fence about it. I'm afraid I disagree with the blindness later in life argument. A lot of things can happen to people later in life. This does not necessarily change people's mentality, and since we already see the varying degrees of disability services on campuses, I think we can agree that we will never be able to create the perfect disability office that ideally fits everyone's needs since disabilities dramatically range from the most obvious to the most subtle. I believe universities are places where people go to fulfill the specific task of obtaining higher education, not the place where people receive higher education and training simultaneously. Job interviews are pretty grim equalizers after college, and as much as I believe in equal rights, I think employers have a right to select the most qualified candidates based on what they can provide now, not what they could potentially provide later. Marc, Selecting disability-friendly universities is not the same as selecting cities, transportation, and housing. While the location of a school should certainly play into a person's choice, using the accessibility quality of a campus is like a business student choosing to attend Texas A&M because the people are super nice. Would this same person turn down the University of Texas even though the people are not as nice but it has a stronger business school? The quality of a school's accessibility is so contingent on the administration currently present at a school that it is like using an orange traffic cone as a landmark to find your way to a building's front door. It may not be there tomorrow. Yes, actually if sighted students can't exhibit these listed responsibilities, they too should reevaluate college. Contrary to popular myth, college is not for everyone, and there are enough successful people without college that no one should feel as if they have to attend a university to make something of themselves, but, if you want to go straight up blind versus sighted, then, yes, I think we'd all agree that blind people need to be that much more prepared than their sighted peers to excel in school or any other aspect of life for that matter. A school that provides great accessibility may only be running the risk of providing that person's training with a false sense of confidence. Your argument about higher education as a right would hold more weight if blind people were denied access to education. No one is being denied access to the university, and the same challenges blind students face in the classroom are the same challenges they are going to face in the workplace. Or, are you suggesting that all persons with a college degree have a right to a job after graduating? There are plenty of blind people who invest in college who still do not have a job, just as is true of sighted graduates. I do not agree that the answer is an accessible job market. To me, the answer is a better K-12 education system. Yes, I acknowledge all the people who come by a disability later in life should have proper recourse, but I think that responsibility falls on the shoulders of consumer groups like the NFB to continue advocating for accessible technology, better rehabilitation training standards, better Braille literacy rates, etc. for the community as a whole. And, I do not think people in power intentionally designed the college experience to shaft people with disabilities. The NFB president made it through one of the country's leading law schools with far less accommodations than we enjoy today. Are you going to tell me our generation is somehow less capable of accomplishing the same feat with far more technological advances? Anmol, Give me an example of a student who has not received some type of equipment assistance from their state agency. If they exist, NABS needs to short-lists these states and ramrod them into compliance. Even in cases where students attend private institutions receive some measure of assistance to purchase adaptive products. I see what you mean about experienced disability offices who can properly teach faculty what people with disabilities need, but then, isn't this part of our overarching problem? People pretending to know what we need? No one will be able to better convey to faculty what I need better than myself. To all, I realize I may be coming off as the NABS Grinch on this subject. I just don't want people to be lulled into collapsing a really good disability service college experience with the rest of reality. If you're currently stuck at a school where the only disability service is a one-man show where the man in question is never around, please bombard this list with questions. We need to hear from you, and if we can hook you up with a good member in your area to spend time showing you the ropes, then I guess that's what needs to happen. The point is, college is the beginning of the rest of your life. It may be tough as hell, but there is always a way to help you get through it. Best, Joe "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/haltaf%40carrollu.edu From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 22:51:31 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 18:51:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] need help In-Reply-To: <209BCCF30FBA426DA757E7816082216B@Rufus> References: <2E7BBC06B40A448F8A52EFB1D330C7FD@DB8D43F1> <5DD34D1A4D4749FB8DEA47679A490AC8@Rufus> <209BCCF30FBA426DA757E7816082216B@Rufus> Message-ID: I think structural universal design is important. It should not be limited to universities, no. However, while many places are accessible to the disabled, often colleges do not know that their campus is inaccessible until someone points out to them what they need. And the need for ramps is nto just for people in wheelchairs. For example, I often have trouble getting up and down steps on my good days...on my bad days, I am lucky to do two steps. But the options are 1) go up the stairs, or 2) go all the way around to the ramp...more walking, more fatigue, is it worth it? I agree that the disability office is not everything. But the ability to go to someone and say "I need to learn this." and have them be able to teach you is a very important thing. After a few years at community college, I plan to go to Peace College. This is a private women's college. When I asked the tour guides and the advisor what the disability community was like on campus, they all said that it was nearly nonexistant. So no disability services. However, this is a college that believes in hands-on learning and believes in teaching people how to make things work for their particular needs...not just disability...also height, gender (admit it, women are still given the short end sometimes), personal learning style, family tradition, heritage, and much more. A school does not need a disability office to be a good school for someone with a disability, but the school needs to be willing to work with the person if they come across a problem. The school also needs to be willing to make changes to structures or classroom if either is really not accessible. Again I will use myself as an example. I have multiple disabilities. I am legally blind (3/350 in one eye, light perception in the other). I also have photosensitive epilepsy, which is considered a disability, though it is not disabling. I also have an undiagnosed condition (working toward a diagnosis) that causes severe nerve and joint pain and leaves me unable to do much of anything on some days, and fatigues me quickly. I also have mild dyscalculia, trouble with numbers and order. So, where should I go for college? I wanted to stay in the Raleigh area for now because my friends are here and I'm not ready to move so quickly. So, that narrowed it down to North Carolina State University, Meredith College, and Peace College. There is also Wake Technical Community College, which is where I am starting so I can find the scholarships and learn the ropes of college. So, down to three. I visited all three. NC State has an education program, but requires elementary education students to specialize in math and science. That's ok, I can specialize in science, but NC State is also very large. I could ask for special accommodation to have my classes placed so I don't have to walk so far, but at one point or antoher that is going to fail me and I'll be stuck walking too far for my body and go home exhausted the entire semester. NC State is such a large campus that I would be worried about getting lost in traffic and I hate crowds. So, disadvantages win. Not NC State. So, down to two. I had an interview with advisors from both schools and a tour of each and found Peace College to be more optimistic in their general outlook, more close-knit and traditional, and with their "hands-on" approach, I thought I could easily learn there, since I'm a tactile learner. Plus, they give special accommodations to every student, basing their education on their own needs, and the classes can be as small as three students...more one-on-one time with teachers and help as needed sounds good to me. The classes are in one of two buildings, connected by a bridge, so not much walking. Only one big disadvantage, the $25,000 a year tuition...so, I decided I am just going to have to find the scholarships and grants for it. Oh, one last advantage...peace College offers a double licensure in General Education and Special Education, with a double internship, something I have nto seen before. So, that's what I did to figure out which college I want. Merideth will be my second choice, of course, just in case. It depends on the person, not just their disability. A friend of mine goes to NC State and wouldn never consider a smaller college as beter. A student has to decide what they want in a school and choose on all of the needs, not just disability-based. My little novelette, Jewel On 7/18/10, Joe Orozco wrote: > Jewel, > > I think you took a better, broader approach to the question. I wondered if > structural accessibility should be covered, and I guess my position is a > little mixed. On the one hand, if an institution is receiving federal > funds, it ought to make these physical accommodations happen for the people > who need them. I do not like that people in wheelchairs need to sometimes > cruise around the block to get into the same entrance. On the other hand, I > wonder if excessive accommodations are limiting a person's capacity to deal > with the rest of the world where people are not so considerate. Yes, public > places are generally expected to have Braille signs, wheelchair ramps, and > wider bathroom stalls, but is it cost efficient to create accessible bubbles > on college campuses, or would it be preferable to advocate for a universally > accessible design all around. I would personally be in favor of the latter > so that physical university accessibility is more than just feel-good > projects that make the administration feel as though they are making people > with disabilities feel welcomed. Structural accommodations are a tough one > for me, and I will admit to sitting on the fence about it. > > I'm afraid I disagree with the blindness later in life argument. A lot of > things can happen to people later in life. This does not necessarily change > people's mentality, and since we already see the varying degrees of > disability services on campuses, I think we can agree that we will never be > able to create the perfect disability office that ideally fits everyone's > needs since disabilities dramatically range from the most obvious to the > most subtle. I believe universities are places where people go to fulfill > the specific task of obtaining higher education, not the place where people > receive higher education and training simultaneously. Job interviews are > pretty grim equalizers after college, and as much as I believe in equal > rights, I think employers have a right to select the most qualified > candidates based on what they can provide now, not what they could > potentially provide later. > > Marc, > > Selecting disability-friendly universities is not the same as selecting > cities, transportation, and housing. While the location of a school should > certainly play into a person's choice, using the accessibility quality of a > campus is like a business student choosing to attend Texas A&M because the > people are super nice. Would this same person turn down the University of > Texas even though the people are not as nice but it has a stronger business > school? The quality of a school's accessibility is so contingent on the > administration currently present at a school that it is like using an orange > traffic cone as a landmark to find your way to a building's front door. It > may not be there tomorrow. > > Yes, actually if sighted students can't exhibit these listed > responsibilities, they too should reevaluate college. Contrary to popular > myth, college is not for everyone, and there are enough successful people > without college that no one should feel as if they have to attend a > university to make something of themselves, but, if you want to go straight > up blind versus sighted, then, yes, I think we'd all agree that blind people > need to be that much more prepared than their sighted peers to excel in > school or any other aspect of life for that matter. A school that provides > great accessibility may only be running the risk of providing that person's > training with a false sense of confidence. > > Your argument about higher education as a right would hold more weight if > blind people were denied access to education. No one is being denied access > to the university, and the same challenges blind students face in the > classroom are the same challenges they are going to face in the workplace. > Or, are you suggesting that all persons with a college degree have a right > to a job after graduating? There are plenty of blind people who invest in > college who still do not have a job, just as is true of sighted graduates. > > I do not agree that the answer is an accessible job market. To me, the > answer is a better K-12 education system. Yes, I acknowledge all the people > who come by a disability later in life should have proper recourse, but I > think that responsibility falls on the shoulders of consumer groups like the > NFB to continue advocating for accessible technology, better rehabilitation > training standards, better Braille literacy rates, etc. for the community as > a whole. > > And, I do not think people in power intentionally designed the college > experience to shaft people with disabilities. The NFB president made it > through one of the country's leading law schools with far less > accommodations than we enjoy today. Are you going to tell me our generation > is somehow less capable of accomplishing the same feat with far more > technological advances? > > Anmol, > > Give me an example of a student who has not received some type of equipment > assistance from their state agency. If they exist, NABS needs to > short-lists these states and ramrod them into compliance. Even in cases > where students attend private institutions receive some measure of > assistance to purchase adaptive products. > > I see what you mean about experienced disability offices who can properly > teach faculty what people with disabilities need, but then, isn't this part > of our overarching problem? People pretending to know what we need? No one > will be able to better convey to faculty what I need better than myself. > > To all, > > I realize I may be coming off as the NABS Grinch on this subject. I just > don't want people to be lulled into collapsing a really good disability > service college experience with the rest of reality. If you're currently > stuck at a school where the only disability service is a one-man show where > the man in question is never around, please bombard this list with > questions. We need to hear from you, and if we can hook you up with a good > member in your area to spend time showing you the ropes, then I guess that's > what needs to happen. The point is, college is the beginning of the rest of > your life. It may be tough as hell, but there is always a way to help you > get through it. > > Best, > > Joe > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net Sun Jul 18 21:27:58 2010 From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Hai Nguyen) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:27:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Blindattic] Hello- Selling Victor Reader Stream. References: Message-ID: Begin forwarded message: > From: "Janice" > Date: July 18, 2010 3:57:52 PM CDT > To: > Subject: [Blindattic] Hello- Selling Victor Reader Stream. > Reply-To: Janice > > Hello All, > > My name is Janice and I am currently a student in Austin, TX. I am really excited to join this list and get a chance to know this community! > > I have a Gently used Victor Reader stream for sale. The Stream comes with the Elite case, NLS key already installed, and SD card. I will also throw in an extra Stream charger, if one is intrested, since I own two! Below I have copied and pasted a description of the device, from the internet: > > The Victor Reader Stream is the only DAISY player that offers you so much in such a small package. Download your favorite books and MP3s on your Victor Reader Stream and leave home with your library in the palm of your hand. This versatile, powerful Victor Reader Stream DAISY-MP3 player lets you read and navigate through complex books, such as reference manuals and school books, as well as novels and magazines. You can also use the Victor Reader Stream's built in Vocalizer text to speech voice to read books in text format such as Bookshare. And that's not all... the Victor Reader Stream has many more functions, including an integrated microphone to record voice notes. No other DAISY player offers you so much in such a small package... and at such an affordable price. > The Amazon and Humanware price is currently $359.99. > I am asking $250 plus shipping and handling. > Please email me if you are interested at- jpj1117 at gmail.com > Thanks much! > > Cheers, > > Janice Jeang > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > From jsorozco at gmail.com Sun Jul 18 23:59:36 2010 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 19:59:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] need help In-Reply-To: References: <2E7BBC06B40A448F8A52EFB1D330C7FD@DB8D43F1><5DD34D1A4D4749FB8DEA47679A490AC8@Rufus> <209BCCF30FBA426DA757E7816082216B@Rufus> Message-ID: <315304C662CC4649841E7325BC9EA591@Rufus> Hina, So what happens to these international students when they return home? Are there accessible technologies readily available? It would seem almost cruel to expose the students to a fully-equipped lab here in the States when they might be returning to a less than adequate environment. But, more to the point, I am not opposed to the availability of screen readers, scanners and other technology on campus, but I associate this availability more with maintaining a complete resource repository befitting a standard library or computer lab more than I would adequate disability services in general. If there are any international students who are studying in the United States who find they do not have adequate technology services to get through class, send me a note off-list. I can't promise anything but would be willing to harass some people. Jewel, I won't pretend to fully appreciate your situation. I simply can't relate. It must be tough, and yet, your having walked me through your decision-making process almost proves my point, because I have to wonder how things will unravel when you're ready to get a job. We have a choice about where we study. That is not a privilege so readily available when looking for a salary. I know you've got it together, and maybe you've got a plan. If so, I should take lessons in patience from you. It took me a month and a half to find a job in thriving Washington DC after my AmeriCorps assignment, and this period of time is so insignificant compared to some of my friends, blind or sighted. My point here is that in the foreseeable future we may not have as much flexibility in the job market as we might in our scholastic pursuits. At any rate, I realize I am an army of one here. People's minds are not likely to change, but speaking as someone who has now been working full-time for the past four years, I just want students to understand that the job market is not as cut and dry as the university environment. In college there are appeals and superiors you can pursue to rectify a wrong. There are laws and guidelines you can use to support your case for accessibility, but the ADA does not penetrate the private sector as easily as we would hope. "Reasonable accommodations" is something of a slippery concept to the struggling nonprofit, small business or uninformed corporation that could just as easily hire the sighted applicant with no special needs. I would never advance the notion that the job market is a big scary place where blind people will never succeed. There are too many examples of people who have proven otherwise. I am saying that accessibility, structural or academic, on the college campus is temporary. I am saying that your passion is greater than your fleeting comfort, that you should completely base your decision on universities according to your dreams and not a superficial bubble that will burst the moment you're truly out in the real world. College is a great time in your life. If the campus happens to boast an incredible system of accessibilities, even better, and if doesn't, never fear. You'll be a little more ahead of your peers come time for job searching. If anyone on campus, or if any feature of the school, is a real nuisance to your learning, let us know. I'll personally sign up to kick some ass on your behalf. You think I'm an annoying bastard on this list? Please. You ain't seen nothin'. Cordially, Joe "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing From mworkman.lists at gmail.com Mon Jul 19 02:03:02 2010 From: mworkman.lists at gmail.com (Marc Workman) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 20:03:02 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] need help In-Reply-To: <209BCCF30FBA426DA757E7816082216B@Rufus> References: <2E7BBC06B40A448F8A52EFB1D330C7FD@DB8D43F1><5DD34D1A4D4749FB8DEA47679A490AC8@Rufus> <209BCCF30FBA426DA757E7816082216B@Rufus> Message-ID: Joe said, The quality of a school's accessibility is so contingent on the administration currently present at a school that it is like using an orange traffic cone as a landmark to find your way to a building's front door. It may not be there tomorrow. Marc says, I'm not sure that a school's accessibility is really as fleeting as you suggest, but even if it is as fleeting as, for example, the sorts of clubs, campus security, student exchange programs, and so on that a university has, all things that can change over time, I don't think there is anything wrong with considering these factors when making a decision about which university to attend. Joe said, if you want to go straight up blind versus sighted, then, yes, I think we'd all agree that blind people need to be that much more prepared than their sighted peers to excel in school or any other aspect of life for that matter. Marc says, I do agree with this, but where we may disagree is that I see this as a problem that needs to be fixed, and you seem to think that this is just an inevitable fact of life that every blind person needs to accept. Joe said, Your argument about higher education as a right would hold more weight if blind people were denied access to education. No one is being denied access to the university, and the same challenges blind students face in the classroom are the same challenges they are going to face in the workplace. Marc says, I think you are working with a somewhat narrow view of access. Consider civil rights: it is not granting access to the bus if black people are forced to sit in the back. I think it is analagous to claim that access to a university requires more than simply admitting disabled students. If a university were built without including women's washrooms, not that ridiculous considering that women were not permitted to attend in the past, it would not be genuine access simply to admit women to the university without also offering them access to the washrooms. In other words, I think that true access includes all aspects of the university. I admit this is an ideal and not easily achieved, but it is something we should always be working towards. Joe said, Or, are you suggesting that all persons with a college degree have a right to a job after graduating? There are plenty of blind people who invest in college who still do not have a job, just as is true of sighted graduates. Marc says, If sighted people had the right to a job after graduating, then blind people should as well, but, as you point out, sighted people do not enjoy this right, so neither should blind people. Joe said, And, I do not think people in power intentionally designed the college experience to shaft people with disabilities. Marc says, I choose my words carefully, Joe. I never said that it was intentional, nor did I say that it was aimed at shafting anyone. I think it would be naive to think that those in power do not consider their own needs and interests when designing institutions like universities. It is less of an intention than a natural inclination. And it is not so much that disabled people are targeted as that disabled people are never considered in the first place. You're absolutely right that if you have to experience challenges in university that force you to acquire skills which are useful in the job market, then you will be better off for having gone through the experiences. The logic of this argument is problematic, though, because it's equally true that, if we do intentionally make things harder for people, resulting in those people acquiring useful skills, then making things harder for those people is a good thing. Why ever bother trying to improve access, since lesser access is almost certainly going to result in improved skills. I'm away from home right now and shouldn't be spending so much time on this, so I unfortunately have to drop this argument for now, but I'm sure there will be reason to come back to it in future. Best, Marc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Orozco" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2010 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] need help > Jewel, > > I think you took a better, broader approach to the question. I wondered > if > structural accessibility should be covered, and I guess my position is a > little mixed. On the one hand, if an institution is receiving federal > funds, it ought to make these physical accommodations happen for the > people > who need them. I do not like that people in wheelchairs need to sometimes > cruise around the block to get into the same entrance. On the other hand, > I > wonder if excessive accommodations are limiting a person's capacity to > deal > with the rest of the world where people are not so considerate. Yes, > public > places are generally expected to have Braille signs, wheelchair ramps, and > wider bathroom stalls, but is it cost efficient to create accessible > bubbles > on college campuses, or would it be preferable to advocate for a > universally > accessible design all around. I would personally be in favor of the > latter > so that physical university accessibility is more than just feel-good > projects that make the administration feel as though they are making > people > with disabilities feel welcomed. Structural accommodations are a tough > one > for me, and I will admit to sitting on the fence about it. > > I'm afraid I disagree with the blindness later in life argument. A lot of > things can happen to people later in life. This does not necessarily > change > people's mentality, and since we already see the varying degrees of > disability services on campuses, I think we can agree that we will never > be > able to create the perfect disability office that ideally fits everyone's > needs since disabilities dramatically range from the most obvious to the > most subtle. I believe universities are places where people go to fulfill > the specific task of obtaining higher education, not the place where > people > receive higher education and training simultaneously. Job interviews are > pretty grim equalizers after college, and as much as I believe in equal > rights, I think employers have a right to select the most qualified > candidates based on what they can provide now, not what they could > potentially provide later. > > Marc, > > Selecting disability-friendly universities is not the same as selecting > cities, transportation, and housing. While the location of a school > should > certainly play into a person's choice, using the accessibility quality of > a > campus is like a business student choosing to attend Texas A&M because the > people are super nice. Would this same person turn down the University of > Texas even though the people are not as nice but it has a stronger > business > school? The quality of a school's accessibility is so contingent on the > administration currently present at a school that it is like using an > orange > traffic cone as a landmark to find your way to a building's front door. > It > may not be there tomorrow. > > Yes, actually if sighted students can't exhibit these listed > responsibilities, they too should reevaluate college. Contrary to popular > myth, college is not for everyone, and there are enough successful people > without college that no one should feel as if they have to attend a > university to make something of themselves, but, if you want to go > straight > up blind versus sighted, then, yes, I think we'd all agree that blind > people > need to be that much more prepared than their sighted peers to excel in > school or any other aspect of life for that matter. A school that > provides > great accessibility may only be running the risk of providing that > person's > training with a false sense of confidence. > > Your argument about higher education as a right would hold more weight if > blind people were denied access to education. No one is being denied > access > to the university, and the same challenges blind students face in the > classroom are the same challenges they are going to face in the workplace. > Or, are you suggesting that all persons with a college degree have a right > to a job after graduating? There are plenty of blind people who invest in > college who still do not have a job, just as is true of sighted graduates. > > I do not agree that the answer is an accessible job market. To me, the > answer is a better K-12 education system. Yes, I acknowledge all the > people > who come by a disability later in life should have proper recourse, but I > think that responsibility falls on the shoulders of consumer groups like > the > NFB to continue advocating for accessible technology, better > rehabilitation > training standards, better Braille literacy rates, etc. for the community > as > a whole. > > And, I do not think people in power intentionally designed the college > experience to shaft people with disabilities. The NFB president made it > through one of the country's leading law schools with far less > accommodations than we enjoy today. Are you going to tell me our > generation > is somehow less capable of accomplishing the same feat with far more > technological advances? > > Anmol, > > Give me an example of a student who has not received some type of > equipment > assistance from their state agency. If they exist, NABS needs to > short-lists these states and ramrod them into compliance. Even in cases > where students attend private institutions receive some measure of > assistance to purchase adaptive products. > > I see what you mean about experienced disability offices who can properly > teach faculty what people with disabilities need, but then, isn't this > part > of our overarching problem? People pretending to know what we need? No > one > will be able to better convey to faculty what I need better than myself. > > To all, > > I realize I may be coming off as the NABS Grinch on this subject. I just > don't want people to be lulled into collapsing a really good disability > service college experience with the rest of reality. If you're currently > stuck at a school where the only disability service is a one-man show > where > the man in question is never around, please bombard this list with > questions. We need to hear from you, and if we can hook you up with a > good > member in your area to spend time showing you the ropes, then I guess > that's > what needs to happen. The point is, college is the beginning of the rest > of > your life. It may be tough as hell, but there is always a way to help you > get through it. > > Best, > > Joe > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 19 10:04:22 2010 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 03:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] need help In-Reply-To: <315304C662CC4649841E7325BC9EA591@Rufus> Message-ID: <925825.2550.qm@web53808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Joe, I was not really thinking about internation students when I made my point, but Hina does have a valid point. MMost international students are ellegible for rehab services but thats not the issue. From my understanding rehab is not required by law to pay for college and not not required by law to purchase adaptive technology and with many states facing budget crisis and voc rehab seeing some of their budget also being cut, alot more American students are not getting adaptive technology. So these are the students I am talking about. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Sun, 7/18/10, Joe Orozco wrote: > From: Joe Orozco > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] need help > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date: Sunday, July 18, 2010, 6:59 PM > Hina, > > So what happens to these international students when they > return home?  Are > there accessible technologies readily available?  It > would seem almost cruel > to expose the students to a fully-equipped lab here in the > States when they > might be returning to a less than adequate > environment.  But, more to the > point, I am not opposed to the availability of screen > readers, scanners and > other technology on campus, but I associate this > availability more with > maintaining a complete resource repository befitting a > standard library or > computer lab more than I would adequate disability services > in general.  If > there are any international students who are studying in > the United States > who find they do not have adequate technology services to > get through class, > send me a note off-list.  I can't promise anything but > would be willing to > harass some people. > > Jewel, > > I won't pretend to fully appreciate your situation.  I > simply can't relate. > It must be tough, and yet, your having walked me through > your > decision-making process almost proves my point, because I > have to wonder how > things will unravel when you're ready to get a job.  > We have a choice about > where we study.  That is not a privilege so readily > available when looking > for a salary.  I know you've got it together, and > maybe you've got a plan. > If so, I should take lessons in patience from you.  It > took me a month and a > half to find a job in thriving Washington DC after my > AmeriCorps assignment, > and this period of time is so insignificant compared to > some of my friends, > blind or sighted.  My point here is that in the > foreseeable future we may > not have as much flexibility in the job market as we might > in our scholastic > pursuits. > > At any rate, I realize I am an army of one here.  > People's minds are not > likely to change, but speaking as someone who has now been > working full-time > for the past four years, I just want students to understand > that the job > market is not as cut and dry as the university > environment.  In college > there are appeals and superiors you can pursue to rectify a > wrong.  There > are laws and guidelines you can use to support your case > for accessibility, > but the ADA does not penetrate the private sector as easily > as we would > hope.  "Reasonable accommodations" is something of a > slippery concept to the > struggling nonprofit, small business or uninformed > corporation that could > just as easily hire the sighted applicant with no special > needs.  I would > never advance the notion that the job market is a big scary > place where > blind people will never succeed.  There are too many > examples of people who > have proven otherwise.  I am saying that > accessibility, structural or > academic, on the college campus is temporary.  I am > saying that your passion > is greater than your fleeting comfort, that you should > completely base your > decision on universities according to your dreams and not a > superficial > bubble that will burst the moment you're truly out in the > real world. > College is a great time in your life.  If the campus > happens to boast an > incredible  system of accessibilities, even better, > and if doesn't, never > fear.  You'll be a little more ahead of your peers > come time for job > searching.  If anyone on campus, or if any feature of > the school, is a real > nuisance to your learning, let us know.  I'll > personally sign up to kick > some ass on your behalf.  You think I'm an annoying > bastard on this list? > Please.  You ain't seen nothin'. > > Cordially, > > Joe > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up > their sleeves, > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at > all."--Sam Ewing > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com Tue Jul 20 00:40:04 2010 From: blinddrummer1989 at hotmail.com (Juan Carlos Munoz) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 19:40:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Review of the Icon or Braille+ Message-ID: The Icon is available from Levelstar and the Braille Plus is available from American Printing House for the Blind. The Braille Plus is awesome, Joe. By itself it can do so much just being around my neck. I don't know the exact WiFi specs, but it definitely gets the job done. The latest software update introduced the ability to sync up with your Twitter account so now I can update the TABS account on the go. I will say though that it runs USB 1.1, so make time if you've got big or lots of files to put into it. The microphone is superb; You can record anywhere from 16K (voice mono) all the way to 320K (music stereo) mp3 files for lecture halls or conferences and save them to flash memory, an SD card or on its hard drive to move later. At $1,395, I don't think you'll be disappointed with what it can do. Let me know if you have any more questions about it. _________________________________________________________________ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 From nabs.president at gmail.com Tue Jul 20 01:49:18 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 19:49:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS July Bulletin! Message-ID: National Association of Blind Students >From the Desk of the President July 19, 2010 In This Bulletin: 1. Convetnntioneport! 2. State Division Announcements 1. Convention Report! As usual, we had a busy, productive, and fun NFB national convention, this time in Dallas, Texas, on July 3-8. As always we heard many informative and energizing speeches during our general sessions and the banquet. If you weren't at convention, or even if you were, you'll be able to read the presidential report, banquet address, resolutions, and other convention highlights in the August-September issue of the Braille Monitor. Details should be in the next NABS bulletin. NABS had some exciting activities as well. On Saturday afternoon, the NABS board put on high school and college readiness discussions for youth, and on Saturday night, we had a student hospitality night at convention for the first time in many years. Several students dropped in to hang out with us, some of whom were first-time convention attendees, and we hope to continue the student hospitality social at future conventions. On Sunday evening, we held our annual business meeting where we learned about new developments in access to academic materials, including the popular Blackboard Learn platform, and heard from two enthusiastic NABS members about the contribution the NFB has made in their lives. At the end of the meeting, we held elections for two of our board positions, and Meghan Whalen and Darian Smith were elected to serve an additional two-year term on the board. Personally, I enjoyed meeting some of our new members, and I hope that you will continue to be active in NABS and your local NFB affiliate. If you just joined NABS at this last convention and want to stay connected, I'd encourage you to find the NABS chapter in your state, if there is one. There's a list of NABS state chapters, and contacts for states that don't have NABS chapters yet, at www.nabslink.org You can either fan National Association of Blind Students on Facebook, follow us on Twitter, or keep reading the monthly bulletins to find out about upcoming student conference calls and our next in-person meeting at Washington Seminar. Finally, if you aren't on our email discussion list and would like to correspond with other NABS members, you can join by going to http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org State Division Announcements: >From New Mexico: We are selling mugs with pictures on them of different sceens of our state and they cost $10 per mug. Please contact me via email if people are interested in these mugs. I hope to eventually send out discriptions of each mug we have and are selling and those in a brochure we are using. Also we are selling T-shirts with the Whozit logo on the left brest and the text message acrynym for too good to be forgotten “2G2B4G,” just above the whozit, and the Louis Braille coin on the back of the shirt. We are selling them for buy one get one half off. The price is $10 for one shirt and $15 for two. We are selling 2XL for $12. Sizes range from small to 2XL. If you or anyone has any questions, please email me at nmabs.president at gmail.com. Thank you, Tara From California: Please see attached flyer. -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Are you speaking of the bulletin that will be put out > early next week or the one that will be put out in September? > > Tamika Williams, AABS President > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arielle Silverman" > To: "Nebraska" ; "Kentucky Students" > ; "Minnesota Students" ; "Colorado > Students" ; "Arizona Students" > ; "Illinois Students" ; > "Kansas Students" ; "Louisiana Students" > ; "Missouri" ; "Utah Students" > ; "Michigan" ; "California Students" > ; "New Hampshire Students" > ; "Florida Students" ; > "New Jersey Students" ; "Tennessee Students" > ; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > ; "gabs" ; "North Carolina Students" > ; ; "Ohio" ; "List > for NABS State Presidents" ; "Virginia Students" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:25 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Bulletin Additions > > >> Hi all, >> >> Thanks to everyone who helped out with our NABS activities at convention! >> >> I will be sending out a bulletin early next week reporting on >> convention, and then will resume my first-Monday-of-the-month schedule >> in September. If you have events you'd like announced in the next >> bulletin, please send announcements to me by Sunday, July 18. Thanks! >> Arielle >> >> -- >> Arielle Silverman >> President, National Association of Blind Students >> Phone: 602-502-2255 >> Email: >> nabs.president at gmail.com >> Website: >> www.nabslink.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tamwill009%40comcast.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From corbbo at gmail.com Tue Jul 20 04:13:45 2010 From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbbmacc O'Connor) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 00:13:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing the 2010 NFB of Virginia Scholarship Program! Message-ID: Hello! Please distribute this message as widely as possible. Attached you will find information and the application form for the 2010 National Federation of the Blind of Virginia James F. Nelson, Jr. Scholarship Program. Winners will receive a scholarship for $1,500, and an expenses-paid trip to the NFB of Virginia state convention in Falls Church, Va. to be held November 12-14, 2010. Legally-blind applicants from Virginia or attending school in the Commonwealth are eligible. (Note that this program is restricted to legally-blind students attending a full-time course of study during the 2010-2011 academic year.) All materials must be RECEIVED by the Scholarship Chairman by September 17, 2010. Please contact Chairman Corbb O'Connor with any questions at corbbo at gmail.com or (202) 684-6130. All decisions of the Scholarship Committee are final. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So, I contacted them to get imformation about the school, and i sent an email explaining that i was blind, and that if there was a question that they had on how i was to accomplish something, i would find an answer or talk to others who could help me. The email i got back stated that while they would love to help me achieve a carrier in dog training, they did have physical requirements. i looked on the site and foudn the requirement they meant, an i was wondering if there was a way i could get around this. a. Does the program require a minimal visual acuity? Yes, student must be able to visually observepersons and animals up to 150 feet away, and in a full circle peripherally. -- From, Val, the human, or Kayla, the yellow naped amazon parrot "your life is your's alone, rise up and live it!" From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Tue Jul 20 14:50:08 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 10:50:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility requirement for program question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, there is a way to "get around this." This is a violation of the ADA. There was a case of this happening at a chiropractorial school, requiring chiropractor students have a minimum visual acuity. This is disability discrimation! There are many blind dog trainers, even if the dog they train is their guide dog...doesn't matter, really. Guide dogs are not given training to jump over obstacles and such. The owner does that training. I highly suggest you speak to your local chapter of the NFB to see if they can help you fight this. If they don't have the resources, contact the national office. This is a clear violation of the ADA and obvious discrimination on the basis of vision and should be corrected ASAP. Good luck, and I'm sure you'll be a great trainer! ~Jewel On 7/20/10, Valerie Gibson wrote: > Hello, > > In the next year, as i'm finishing up my general education classes for > college, I would like to go into an animal training program. I think > i've said this before, but i would like to become a certified dog > trainer so that i can trained obediance, and then maybe work my way > into training service dogs such as therapy dogs. > > I have looked around and have heard of people who have trained their > own guide dogs. Also when i was 12, i took my akita to an obediance > class, and the trainer was very good about telling me how to do things > nonvisually with him. > > I love a lot of things, but working with animals is something i have > done my entire life. > > So, I contacted them to get imformation about the school, and i sent > an email explaining that i was blind, and that if there was a question > that they had on how i was to accomplish something, i would find an > answer or talk to others who could help me. > > The email i got back stated that while they would love to help me > achieve a carrier in dog training, they did have physical > requirements. > > i looked on the site and foudn the requirement they meant, an i was > wondering if there was a way i could get around this. > > a. Does the program require a minimal visual acuity? Yes, student must > be able to visually observepersons and animals up to 150 feet away, > and in a full circle peripherally. > > > -- > From, > Val, the human, > or > Kayla, the yellow naped amazon parrot > > "your life is your's alone, rise up and live it!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net Tue Jul 20 16:04:58 2010 From: pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net (Peter Donahue) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:04:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility requirement for program question References: Message-ID: <018201cb2825$4d9d5a50$4001a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Valerie and everyone, Don't rule out becoming a guide dog trainer. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Gibson" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 9:23 AM Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility requirement for program question Hello, In the next year, as i'm finishing up my general education classes for college, I would like to go into an animal training program. I think i've said this before, but i would like to become a certified dog trainer so that i can trained obediance, and then maybe work my way into training service dogs such as therapy dogs. I have looked around and have heard of people who have trained their own guide dogs. Also when i was 12, i took my akita to an obediance class, and the trainer was very good about telling me how to do things nonvisually with him. I love a lot of things, but working with animals is something i have done my entire life. So, I contacted them to get imformation about the school, and i sent an email explaining that i was blind, and that if there was a question that they had on how i was to accomplish something, i would find an answer or talk to others who could help me. The email i got back stated that while they would love to help me achieve a carrier in dog training, they did have physical requirements. i looked on the site and foudn the requirement they meant, an i was wondering if there was a way i could get around this. a. Does the program require a minimal visual acuity? Yes, student must be able to visually observepersons and animals up to 150 feet away, and in a full circle peripherally. -- From, Val, the human, or Kayla, the yellow naped amazon parrot "your life is your's alone, rise up and live it!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue1%40sbcglobal.net From mcikeyc at aol.com Tue Jul 20 19:33:53 2010 From: mcikeyc at aol.com (Michelle Clark) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:33:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Black board- working with the wrong version Message-ID: Dear Members, I am glad to have become a member of NABS this convention as I am beginning a new journey as a graduate student. This is the same journey I was beginning as I experienced vision loss six years ago. At the convention, I attended the sessions where representatives from Blackboard came and spoke with us but am wondering if anyone knows of additional sources I can get either tutorials, cheat sheets, etc that suit me as a blind user? Currently, my school is running on version 8 and I have spoken with them regarding upgrading to version 9.1 as BB indicates is the most current version. In the interim, school goes on and I am looking for thoughts of others. I appreciate your comments Thanks, Michelle Clark AKA Blind Woman Working on a PhD! From tamwill009 at comcast.net Tue Jul 20 20:15:08 2010 From: tamwill009 at comcast.net (Tamika Williams) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:15:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Bulletin Additions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43CC8792A12141D48189BC9ECFCCD2FE@TamikaPC> Well I do not know if you put announcements for raffles in the bulletin or not but that is what I wanted to put in the bulletin. I have included our message in the body of this e-mail below, just in case you will. We will need to post the winner and comments in the September bulletin also. If you could please tell me when do you need to have that announcement then I will be sure to have it to you by that time. The Alabama Association of Blind Students is raffling off an iPod Touch for its 2010 fund raiser. The winner of the raffle will receive a 32GB Apple ipod Touch. The drawing will be held Wednesday September 1, 2010, and the winner will be notified via phone and e-mail September 2. Tickets are $5 for one, or $10 for three. If you are interested in purchasing tickets for the raffle, please send all personal checks, money orders, or Cashier's checks to: Tamika Williams, AABS President 6060 Southbend Drive North Mobile, Alabama 36619 Please make all checks and money orders payable to Tamika Williams, AABS President, and include AABS iPod Fund Raiser in the memo line of all checks and money orders. On a separate sheet, please include, your name, e-mail address, and phone number in print or Braille. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact, Brittney Urquhart, AABS Vice-President, at blu0001 at auburn.edu Thank you in advance, Tamika ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, July 19, 2010 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Bulletin Additions > Hi Tamika, > > I was talking about today's bulletin-I'm sorry I didn't get back to > you in time. If you have sometime you'd like posted immediately, I can > send it out to the lists as a separate forward. > > Arielle > > On 7/14/10, Tamika Williams wrote: >> Hello Arielle, >> >> You said that if we want to put an announcement in the bulletin to let >> you >> know by July 18th. Are you speaking of the bulletin that will be put out >> early next week or the one that will be put out in September? >> >> Tamika Williams, AABS President >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Arielle Silverman" >> To: "Nebraska" ; "Kentucky Students" >> ; "Minnesota Students" ; "Colorado >> Students" ; "Arizona Students" >> ; "Illinois Students" >> ; >> "Kansas Students" ; "Louisiana Students" >> ; "Missouri" ; "Utah Students" >> ; "Michigan" ; "California Students" >> ; "New Hampshire Students" >> ; "Florida Students" >> ; >> "New Jersey Students" ; "Tennessee Students" >> ; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> ; "gabs" ; "North Carolina Students" >> ; ; "Ohio" ; "List >> for NABS State Presidents" ; "Virginia >> Students" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:25 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Bulletin Additions >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Thanks to everyone who helped out with our NABS activities at >>> convention! >>> >>> I will be sending out a bulletin early next week reporting on >>> convention, and then will resume my first-Monday-of-the-month schedule >>> in September. If you have events you'd like announced in the next >>> bulletin, please send announcements to me by Sunday, July 18. Thanks! >>> Arielle >>> >>> -- >>> Arielle Silverman >>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>> Phone: 602-502-2255 >>> Email: >>> nabs.president at gmail.com >>> Website: >>> www.nabslink.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tamwill009%40comcast.net >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Arielle Silverman > President, National Association of Blind Students > Phone: 602-502-2255 > Email: > nabs.president at gmail.com > Website: > www.nabslink.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tamwill009%40comcast.net From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Tue Jul 20 21:47:44 2010 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:47:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility requirement for program question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This sounds like that old rule they used to have to try to keep blind people from becoming Orientation and Mobility instructors. "You have to be able to see your student from how ever many feet away". I'm pretty sure the NFB handled that issue well. This is blatant discrimination against the blind. You might consider asking them what having that kind of visual acuity would accomplish in the program, and demonstrate or explain how you can accomplish the same tasks without it. I.E. if they say you need to be able to identify your animal at a distance with other animals around, explain that your animal can wear bells on its harness, and that you'll hear the difference between people moving around and animals moving around at a distance. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Jewel S. wrote: > Yes, there is a way to "get around this." This is a violation of the > ADA. There was a case of this happening at a chiropractorial school, > requiring chiropractor students have a minimum visual acuity. This is > disability discrimation! There are many blind dog trainers, even if > the dog they train is their guide dog...doesn't matter, really. Guide > dogs are not given training to jump over obstacles and such. The owner > does that training. > > I highly suggest you speak to your local chapter of the NFB to see if > they can help you fight this. If they don't have the resources, > contact the national office. This is a clear violation of the ADA and > obvious discrimination on the basis of vision and should be corrected > ASAP. > > Good luck, and I'm sure you'll be a great trainer! > > ~Jewel > > On 7/20/10, Valerie Gibson wrote: > > Hello, > > > > In the next year, as i'm finishing up my general education classes for > > college, I would like to go into an animal training program. I think > > i've said this before, but i would like to become a certified dog > > trainer so that i can trained obediance, and then maybe work my way > > into training service dogs such as therapy dogs. > > > > I have looked around and have heard of people who have trained their > > own guide dogs. Also when i was 12, i took my akita to an obediance > > class, and the trainer was very good about telling me how to do things > > nonvisually with him. > > > > I love a lot of things, but working with animals is something i have > > done my entire life. > > > > So, I contacted them to get imformation about the school, and i sent > > an email explaining that i was blind, and that if there was a question > > that they had on how i was to accomplish something, i would find an > > answer or talk to others who could help me. > > > > The email i got back stated that while they would love to help me > > achieve a carrier in dog training, they did have physical > > requirements. > > > > i looked on the site and foudn the requirement they meant, an i was > > wondering if there was a way i could get around this. > > > > a. Does the program require a minimal visual acuity? Yes, student must > > be able to visually observepersons and animals up to 150 feet away, > > and in a full circle peripherally. > > > > > > -- > > From, > > Val, the human, > > or > > Kayla, the yellow naped amazon parrot > > > > "your life is your's alone, rise up and live it!" > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Tue Jul 20 23:14:34 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 18:14:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The braille display that offers more Message-ID: > > >In addition to the below announcement we are happy to advise that 64-bit >USB drivers have also been developed for Windows XP, Vista and Windows 7 >as well as compatibility with JAWS version 11 pending approval from >Freedom Scientific. > > > >HumanWare logo. The power is in your hands > > > > >The braille display that offers more >g> > > >Take Note! Take Charge! > > >Did you know that the Apex, the thinnest and lightest note taker, also >functions as a powerful braille terminal? > > >More for your money > > >Quality refreshable braille is expensive and a braille display should >offer more functionality than just merely reading what a screen reader >speaks! Apex includes not only the acclaimed KeySoft suite of >applications but also provides the versatility of a powerful braille >terminal. > > >A versatile solution > > >BrailleNote Apex, functions as a braille display with your favorite >screen reader, whether you are using a Windows or Mac computer, an >iPhone or other mobile devices. Enjoy the accuracy of braille in >formatting MS Word documents, analyzing Excel worksheets, or simply >reading emails or text messages. Keys on the Apex allow navigation when >using a MAC or Windows computer, initiate various screen reader commands >and complement your reading mode and preferences. Input using the >braille or QWERTY keyboard when writing text. iPhone users can write in >contracted braille on the Apex when composing email or text messages and >read messages in privacy with braille output on the Apex while the >iPhone's speech is muted. > > >Extensive connectivity > > >Apex allows you to connect through a USB connection on its side, >allowing the display to be close to your keyboard for comfortable >ergonomics. Imagine giving a PowerPoint presentation with a Bluetooth >wireless connection, standing right in front of your audience, advancing >your slides and reading your outline in braille instead of being nestled >behind a desk! > > >Learn more > >Download our resource guide that will assist you in the setup and >interface of your screen reader of choice, and begin enjoying the >lightest, most versatile note taker and braille terminal on the market. >(.doc version >239752> ) (html version >239752> ) > > > > > > >(c)2010 HumanWare. > David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From dandrews at visi.com Wed Jul 21 01:54:59 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 20:54:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Apex/Breeze cases by EPI Message-ID: >From: "Al Eremita" >To: "Al Eremita" >Subject: Apex/Breeze cases by EPI > > > >Trekker >Breeze >Price $41.49 >TurtleBack has created a new soft form-fitted >custom leather case for the Trekker Breeze. This >case is made of high grade Napa leather that > fits snuggly around your unit, and has a > storage zipper compartment for your flash > cards. The case has been designed to enable the user to >easily utilize your Trekker Breeze while the >case is on the unit, and allows the unit to be >carried on a comfortable strap or clipped on your belt. >The unit may be used while walking, sitting or >simply standing. The case has easy access to the >headset jack, all the buttons USB port, and >SD flash memory cards. The case is manufactured >with high quality leather to provide durable >outer protection. This case comes a leather >covered belt clip on the back of the unit. EPI >continues the tradition of creating functional, >durable and beautiful fitted cases. >Made in the U.S.A. > >•Accessibility to data ports, headphone, all keys and other ports. > >•The zipper pocket may be used to store date cards, ear buds, etc. > >•Keyboard is exposed while the cover is open > >•Extremely durable with a superior design. > >https://www.executiveproductsinc.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1856 > > >Braille Note >APEX >Price $83.95 > >The TurtleBack Braille Note Apex Case will not >allow your unit to slip out of this case. It is >a form fit custom leather case and >designed to enable the Apex user to easily >utilize the note taker while the case is on the >unit and allow the unit to be carried on >a comfortable strap. The face of the unit is >covered with a zipper pocket cover which may be >opened/closed with magnet closures. >The zipper pocket cover may be flipped on to the >rear and secured under the unit if the user >needs to utilize the note taker while >walking. The large zipper pocket can store your >ear buds and other items which provides security >and protection. It is designed >to enable the user to utilize the note taker >while the case is on. The case is equipped with >a black plastic hooks to provide security, >durability and safety. EPI continues the >tradition of creating functional, durable and >beautiful fitted cases. Made in the U.S.A. > > >•The Braille Note Apex will not slip out of this case > >•Accessibility to data ports, headphone, all keys and other ports. > >•The zipper pocket may be used to store date cards, ear buds, etc. > >•Keyboard is exposed while the cover is open > >•Extremely durable with a superior design. > >https://www.executiveproductsinc.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1854 > > >Comments: >Executive Products has done an excellent job in >manufacturing an Apex case. In several weeks of >use, I have found that the case keeps the Apex >completely secure. The front thumb keys and all >the other controls are easy to access. There is >a slightly wider margin than the original Humanware >case had for closing the flap on the unit with >the magnets, which is another plus! Even though >there is, of necessity, a small strip of leather over the > top of the thumb keys, it does not in my opinion interfere with their use. > >This is an excellent case that I think will keep >your unit safe wherever you need to carry it for many years to come. > >Cindy > > >Executive Products Inc. >tback_yellow-1 > >12900 Bradley Ave. >Sylmar Ca. 91342. >Fax: 818-833-5798 >Office: 818-833-8822 >Mobile: 818-723-8444 >www.ExecutiveProductsinc.com David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From alc79 at drexel.edu Wed Jul 21 03:16:44 2010 From: alc79 at drexel.edu (Ashley Cwikla) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 23:16:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Greetings Message-ID: <77234c778eae.778eae77234c@drexel.edu> Hello to all I'm Ashley, a former student who recently graduated with a Masters in higher education administration from Drexel University. I am posting to this list to let students know that I am selling a BrailleNote mPower for $2,000 which I no longer need. I used it for only 3 months so it still works like new. It has a qwerty keyboard with a 40 sell display, bluetooth enabled and wireless connectivity among other features. I figured I would post it on this list in case anybody is in search for a note taker for their college or high school studies. Please do let me know of any other places to advertise this product. Please do respond if you are interested in purchasing this device. Thank you and looking forward to meeting you. Ashley Cwikla From liziswhatis at hotmail.com Wed Jul 21 18:16:44 2010 From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Botner) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:16:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Greetings In-Reply-To: <77234c778eae.778eae77234c@drexel.edu> References: <77234c778eae.778eae77234c@drexel.edu> Message-ID: HI, Actually, the MPower has a 32-cell display. They don't make a 40-cell model. I just wanted to clear up for confusion's sake. Take care, Liz E-mail: liziswhatis at hotmail.com Visit my Live Journal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/lizbot From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 21 19:33:18 2010 From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] GWU and UMD: Message-ID: <418441.81627.qm@web30901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A group of individuals are interested in some of the programs at both the University of Maryland in College park and George Washington University in Washington D.C. With this said, does anyone on the list currently attend or has anyone attended these institutions? If so, what were things like for those with visual disabilities? How were the accommodations offered? From corbbo at gmail.com Wed Jul 21 21:02:42 2010 From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbbmacc O'Connor) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:02:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GWU and UMD: In-Reply-To: <418441.81627.qm@web30901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <418441.81627.qm@web30901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I'm a student at The George Washington University. Their Disability Support Services is EVERYTHING that you could ever want from a school. They're happy to help you in ways that you ask, and are just as happy to let you make the accommodations that you may want on your own. (It's worth noting that you have to be pre-approved for the accommodations, but the process is very easy.) DSS is not pushy, and they're responsive. Their test taking services are great -- you fill out a form online, your professor hits a link in their e-mail, the test gets sent via e-mail, you go to DSS, and take the test with whatever accommodations you need ... computer, extra time, large print, etc. They're also really great with textbooks -- they try to order the e-text from publishers or they'll even cut and scan your books if they can't get it another way. I have *NOTHING bad to say about their great services and am happy to chat with whomever is interested. Corbb On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:33 PM, William ODonnell wrote: > A group of individuals are interested in some of the programs at both the University of Maryland in College park and George Washington University in Washington D.C.  With this said, does anyone on the list currently attend or has anyone attended these institutions? If so, what were things like for those with visual disabilities?  How were the accommodations offered? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com > From dlambert at aristotle.net Thu Jul 22 00:37:44 2010 From: dlambert at aristotle.net (Denna Lambert) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 20:37:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] GWU and UMD: In-Reply-To: References: <418441.81627.qm@web30901.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004001cb2936$1b02eb20$5108c160$@net> Hi William: I just completed my master's degree from GWU and took a course at UMD-CP. GWU is head and shoulders above UMD. But it is also what you pay for as well, GWU is a very pretty penny. As Corb said, the DSS office wasn't pushy. I used them when I needed to and if they didn't hear from me for a while, there were no worries. I was going to school part time and also working full-time. They were very timely in getting my books scanned, though I did have my employer do some of them as well. I really didn't depend on them for many things as I was able to either work things out with my professor for things like getting handouts electronically and even some of the testing. But for the testing accommodations that I did go through them for they were very flexible. Now, UMD on the other hand, yeah, let's just say don't go there. They have a DSS office, but as far as providing effective accommodations for blind students, I think they're pretty lacking. And when I was looking at grad schools I needed to know that if I requested an accommodation, I didn't have time to micromanage a DSS office to get what I needed. I just didn't have the time, nor the patience. I would preface my comments with if you don't anticipate needing a good deal of accommodations that would have to go through a DSS office, then UMD might be a good school for what ever you plan on studying. As with anything, I would say that your primary focus should be on getting into the school that best addresses your academic needs and interests. Secondly is working with your department on the accommodations you may need, how flexible do they seem, are the professors willing to work with you, are the kinds of questions that come to mind first. Finally should be the DSS office. I think what is somewhat concerning sometimes is where there are some schools who think that every single need that a student with a disability has to go through the DSS office. It's like the DSS office becomes the keeper and care-taker for students with disabilities. I feel that I like knowing the services are then when and if I need them, but I wouldn't make a decision on where I would go based on the DSS office but more on the philosophy of the department I'm going to be getting my degree from. Ok, enough from me. For the graduate level course I did take with UMD, I worked all of my accommodations with the professor. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Corbbmacc O'Connor Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 5:03 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GWU and UMD: I'm a student at The George Washington University. Their Disability Support Services is EVERYTHING that you could ever want from a school. They're happy to help you in ways that you ask, and are just as happy to let you make the accommodations that you may want on your own. (It's worth noting that you have to be pre-approved for the accommodations, but the process is very easy.) DSS is not pushy, and they're responsive. Their test taking services are great -- you fill out a form online, your professor hits a link in their e-mail, the test gets sent via e-mail, you go to DSS, and take the test with whatever accommodations you need ... computer, extra time, large print, etc. They're also really great with textbooks -- they try to order the e-text from publishers or they'll even cut and scan your books if they can't get it another way. I have *NOTHING bad to say about their great services and am happy to chat with whomever is interested. Corbb On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:33 PM, William ODonnell wrote: > A group of individuals are interested in some of the programs at both the University of Maryland in College park and George Washington University in Washington D.C.  With this said, does anyone on the list currently attend or has anyone attended these institutions? If so, what were things like for those with visual disabilities?  How were the accommodations offered? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/corbbo%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dlambert%40aristotle .net From catherine.1966 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 22 09:49:26 2010 From: catherine.1966 at yahoo.com (Catherine Newman) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 02:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] {Spam?} Message-ID: <814012.84741.qm@web46412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> http://tk8.mens-charge.com From troubleclark at gmail.com Thu Jul 22 12:06:14 2010 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 08:06:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] I have a brf and dazy question Message-ID: Dear Nabs I was wondering if you can make a BRF file and some how make it a Dazy file to be put on the Stream or the other way around? Sincerely, Nathan Clark From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Thu Jul 22 13:06:22 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 09:06:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment Message-ID: Dear all, I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. I begin classes August 16, and have been working toward getting some needed equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a refreshable Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette embosser, a scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury (spelling?), and JAWS for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my side to get this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned recently to a new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first position). She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let alone how to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for review of my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with that information, despite him having stated that I needed an assessment with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I asked him what the next step was again that he said that my counselor should have set up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, he had said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I needed to just wait for the referral to go through). Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the referral done, the paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At first, they told me it would take two to three weeks to get the equipment. Then they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take up to two months! Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the equipment I need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than getting a notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my slate and stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate for a few lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very badly, so I don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have a voice recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds to purchase one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my equipment comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to mean that I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has suggested places to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it also. When I asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop promised me by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the laptop I would purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if it's used, how can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for such a laptop? Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? SWhat should I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, who should I bring this up with? As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a way to record the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or complete worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on other students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and will not be able to participate when the class reads the books. I might as well not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From what DSB is telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before I get any of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a reasonable accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes and wait until next semester? I will not be able to participate appropriately in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be drastically effected by this. Any advice, please? Yours, Jewel Shuping Wake Tech Community College Raleigh, NC From rjaquiss at earthlink.net Thu Jul 22 14:32:13 2010 From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (Robert Jaquiss) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 09:32:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Grant Opportunities for student groups Message-ID: <648377F007E043DFA7A73EA3E14E38E3@D3DTZP41> RFP Alerts: Philanthropy News DigestHello: I thought the following might be of interest. Regards, Robert Jaquiss ----- Original Message ----- From: PND RFP Alerts To: Rjaquiss at earthlink.net Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 4:16 AM Subject: Today's RFPs from Philanthropy News Digest July 22, 2010 The following requests for proposals have been posted to Philanthropy News Digest: Student Groups Invited to Submit Entries for SeaWorld & Busch Gardens Environmental Excellence Awards Grants of up to $15,000 plus trips to SeaWorld will be awarded to schools and community groups working at the grassroots level to protect and preserve the environment.... 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If she isn't doing her job you need to say that to their direct supervisor. I am not sure on the laptop question. Best luck, Justin On 7/22/10, Jewel S. wrote: > Dear all, > > I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. I begin > classes August 16, and have been working toward getting some needed > equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a refreshable > Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette embosser, a > scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury (spelling?), and JAWS > for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my side to get > this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned recently to a > new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first position). > She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let alone how > to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for review of > my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with that > information, despite him having stated that I needed an assessment > with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I asked him what > the next step was again that he said that my counselor should have set > up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, he had > said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I needed to > just wait for the referral to go through). > > Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the referral done, the > paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At first, they > told me it would take two to three weeks to get the equipment. Then > they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take up to two > months! > > Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the equipment I > need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than getting a > notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my slate and > stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate for a few > lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very badly, so I > don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have a voice > recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds to purchase > one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). > > I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my equipment > comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to mean that > I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has suggested places > to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it also. When I > asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop promised me > by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the laptop I would > purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if it's used, how > can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for such a > laptop? > > Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? SWhat should > I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, who should I > bring this up with? > > As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a way to record > the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or complete > worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on other > students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and will not be > able to participate when the class reads the books. I might as well > not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From what DSB is > telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before I get any > of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a reasonable > accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes and wait > until next semester? I will not be able to participate appropriately > in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be drastically > effected by this. > > Any advice, please? > > Yours, > Jewel Shuping > Wake Tech Community College > Raleigh, NC > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From jsorozco at gmail.com Thu Jul 22 15:30:53 2010 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:30:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jewel, I see online that North Carolina just started a new fiscal year. This is bad, because this is when agencies can afford to lapse a little. If I were you, and taking your budget into consideration, this is my personal recommendation: 1. Take Justin's suggestion and go straight to the director of that field office. It's not your job to ease this counselor into her new position. Your first priority is getting what you need to be ready for school. Put your communications to the director in writing. Say in your first e-mail that you will follow up via telephone in a few days to talk about what can be done. Later, after your phone call, send another e-mail summarizing what was talked about. Always keep a written record of your communications. In the letter you should give a brief summary of the events to this point, but I would spend more time listing the equipment you need and a good justification for why you need them. This may somewhat minimize the need for an assessment if you can give concrete reasons for why the products are required. Also, rank your products in order of most important. The Victor Stream, for example, may be a necessity, but it could probably go near or at the bottom since your top priority is the ability to take notes in class. 2. Locate the individual or office that handles technology assessments. The more people you have inquiring into your case, the better, and even if they say they need to hear from your counselor, when your counselor calls the people will be familiar with you and have more of an incentive to act. 3. Talk to your NFB affiliate president. He or she may know of someone working in the agency who can look into your case. The affiliate should also prove to be a good advocate on your behalf. 4. Locate your nearest Lions Club. They may be able to step in and help with the cost of a netbook. If you can get that, you can use one of the free or reasonably priced screen readers while you wait for your other technology to arrive. The main thing is to get you something for the first day of class, and I think your Lions Club or Rotary Club should be able to generate $300 on your behalf. This is, at least, a start. I'm in a bit of a rush but can offer more later if you're still in a bind. Hopefully others will chime in as well. Best of luck, Joe "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jewel S. Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment Dear all, I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. I begin classes August 16, and have been working toward getting some needed equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a refreshable Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette embosser, a scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury (spelling?), and JAWS for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my side to get this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned recently to a new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first position). She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let alone how to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for review of my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with that information, despite him having stated that I needed an assessment with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I asked him what the next step was again that he said that my counselor should have set up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, he had said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I needed to just wait for the referral to go through). Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the referral done, the paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At first, they told me it would take two to three weeks to get the equipment. Then they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take up to two months! Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the equipment I need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than getting a notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my slate and stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate for a few lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very badly, so I don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have a voice recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds to purchase one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my equipment comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to mean that I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has suggested places to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it also. When I asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop promised me by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the laptop I would purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if it's used, how can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for such a laptop? Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? SWhat should I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, who should I bring this up with? As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a way to record the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or complete worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on other students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and will not be able to participate when the class reads the books. I might as well not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From what DSB is telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before I get any of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a reasonable accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes and wait until next semester? I will not be able to participate appropriately in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be drastically effected by this. Any advice, please? Yours, Jewel Shuping Wake Tech Community College Raleigh, NC _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco %40gmail.com From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Thu Jul 22 15:46:17 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:46:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment References: Message-ID: Take it up with her direct suppervisior, and try writting a justification letter. Why do you need the equipment? If that doesn't work, then request a hearing. Any one else have anything to say? RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Young" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment > In terms of who you should take it up with its her supervisor. If she > isn't doing her job you need to say that to their direct supervisor. > I am not sure on the laptop question. > Best luck, > Justin > > On 7/22/10, Jewel S. wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. I begin >> classes August 16, and have been working toward getting some needed >> equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a refreshable >> Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette embosser, a >> scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury (spelling?), and JAWS >> for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my side to get >> this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned recently to a >> new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first position). >> She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let alone how >> to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for review of >> my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with that >> information, despite him having stated that I needed an assessment >> with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I asked him what >> the next step was again that he said that my counselor should have set >> up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, he had >> said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I needed to >> just wait for the referral to go through). >> >> Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the referral done, the >> paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At first, they >> told me it would take two to three weeks to get the equipment. Then >> they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take up to two >> months! >> >> Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the equipment I >> need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than getting a >> notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my slate and >> stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate for a few >> lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very badly, so I >> don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have a voice >> recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds to purchase >> one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). >> >> I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my equipment >> comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to mean that >> I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has suggested places >> to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it also. When I >> asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop promised me >> by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the laptop I would >> purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if it's used, how >> can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for such a >> laptop? >> >> Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? SWhat should >> I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, who should I >> bring this up with? >> >> As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a way to record >> the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or complete >> worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on other >> students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and will not be >> able to participate when the class reads the books. I might as well >> not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From what DSB is >> telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before I get any >> of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a reasonable >> accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes and wait >> until next semester? I will not be able to participate appropriately >> in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be drastically >> effected by this. >> >> Any advice, please? >> >> Yours, >> Jewel Shuping >> Wake Tech Community College >> Raleigh, NC >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 22 18:04:18 2010 From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:04:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <952919.48697.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Please contact me off list. In the subject, please put the words: first name, Last name, and DSB. Thanks. --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Jewel S. wrote: > From: Jewel S. > Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 9:06 AM > Dear all, > > I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. > I begin > classes August 16, and have been working toward getting > some needed > equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a > refreshable > Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette > embosser, a > scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury > (spelling?), and JAWS > for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my > side to get > this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned > recently to a > new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first > position). > She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let > alone how > to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for > review of > my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with > that > information, despite him having stated that I needed an > assessment > with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I > asked him what > the next step was again that he said that my counselor > should have set > up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, > he had > said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I > needed to > just wait for the referral to go through). > > Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the > referral done, the > paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At > first, they > told me it would take two to three weeks to get the > equipment. Then > they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take > up to two > months! > > Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the > equipment I > need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than > getting a > notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my > slate and > stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate > for a few > lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very > badly, so I > don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have > a voice > recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds > to purchase > one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). > > I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my > equipment > comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to > mean that > I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has > suggested places > to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it > also. When I > asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop > promised me > by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the > laptop I would > purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if > it's used, how > can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for > such a > laptop? > > Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? > SWhat should > I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, > who should I > bring this up with? > > As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a > way to record > the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or > complete > worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on > other > students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and > will not be > able to participate when the class reads the books. I might > as well > not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From > what DSB is > telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before > I get any > of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a > reasonable > accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes > and wait > until next semester? I will not be able to participate > appropriately > in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be > drastically > effected by this. > > Any advice, please? > > Yours, > Jewel Shuping > Wake Tech Community College > Raleigh, NC > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/william.odonnell1%40yahoo.com > From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 22 18:28:30 2010 From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 11:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I would have to say that I agree with Joe on many of the points he has made. Also, keep some things “off record” with your councilor. I am referring to the suggestions of you purchasing a net book that you provided in your email. Remember the following approach: don’t ask, don’t tell or do not give any additional information than requested. In addition, always copy a supervisor when you’re documenting so the context of what you discuss is not altered or misrepresented at a later date. Finally, investigate whether or not your local independent living center has advocates that will speak on your behalf. Note: some colleges and universities have laptops or net books that disabled students can reserve from there DSS office for use during class. In regard to readers or reading services, some organizations for the blind as well as community centers have people from the community who volunteer who may assist you. In addition, check with your college or university to see if you can post an add requesting for volunteers to assist you when time is of the essence and your accommodations/equipment is not available. I say the following since it is a reality. Note: I do not want to discourage or scare you; however, throughout your college career, you will learn and see that you will need to liquidate all avenues since many times you will experience faulty services and accommodations while meeting important deadlines as any other student. You will need to be strong and always be your own advocate while never losing focus with your agenda. --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Joe Orozco wrote: > From: Joe Orozco > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:30 AM > Hi Jewel, > > I see online that North Carolina just started a new fiscal > year.  This is > bad, because this is when agencies can afford to lapse a > little.  If I were > you, and taking your budget into consideration, this is my > personal > recommendation: > > 1. Take Justin's suggestion and go straight to the director > of that field > office.  It's not your job to ease this counselor into > her new position. > Your first priority is getting what you need to be ready > for school.  Put > your communications to the director in writing.  Say > in your first e-mail > that you will follow up via telephone in a few days to talk > about what can > be done.  Later, after your phone call, send another > e-mail summarizing what > was talked about.  Always keep a written record of > your communications.  In > the letter you should give a brief summary of the events to > this point, but > I would spend more time listing the equipment you need and > a good > justification for why you need them.  This may > somewhat minimize the need > for an assessment if you can give concrete reasons for why > the products are > required.  Also, rank your products in order of most > important.  The Victor > Stream, for example, may be a necessity, but it could > probably go near or at > the bottom since your top priority is the ability to take > notes in class. > > 2. Locate the individual or office that handles technology > assessments.  The > more people you have inquiring into your case, the better, > and even if they > say they need to hear from your counselor, when your > counselor calls the > people will be familiar with you and have more of an > incentive to act. > > 3. Talk to your NFB affiliate president.  He or she > may know of someone > working in the agency who can look into your case.  > The affiliate should > also prove to be a good advocate on your behalf. > > 4. Locate your nearest Lions Club.  They may be able > to step in and help > with the cost of a netbook.  If you can get that, you > can use one of the > free or reasonably priced screen readers while you wait for > your other > technology to arrive.  The main thing is to get you > something for the first > day of class, and I think your Lions Club or Rotary Club > should be able to > generate $300 on your behalf. > > This is, at least, a start.  I'm in a bit of a rush > but can offer more later > if you're still in a bind.  Hopefully others will > chime in as well. > > Best of luck, > > Joe > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up > their sleeves, > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at > all."--Sam Ewing > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > On Behalf Of Jewel S. > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment > > Dear all, > > I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. > I begin > classes August 16, and have been working toward getting > some needed > equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a > refreshable > Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette > embosser, a > scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury > (spelling?), and JAWS > for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my > side to get > this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned > recently to a > new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first > position). > She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let > alone how > to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for > review of > my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with > that > information, despite him having stated that I needed an > assessment > with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I > asked him what > the next step was again that he said that my counselor > should have set > up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, > he had > said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I > needed to > just wait for the referral to go through). > > Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the > referral done, the > paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At > first, they > told me it would take two to three weeks to get the > equipment. Then > they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take > up to two > months! > > Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the > equipment I > need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than > getting a > notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my > slate and > stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate > for a few > lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very > badly, so I > don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have > a voice > recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds > to purchase > one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). > > I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my > equipment > comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to > mean that > I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has > suggested places > to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it > also. When I > asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop > promised me > by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the > laptop I would > purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if > it's used, how > can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for > such a > laptop? > > Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? > SWhat should > I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, > who should I > bring this up with? > > As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a > way to record > the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or > complete > worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on > other > students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and > will not be > able to participate when the class reads the books. I might > as well > not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From > what DSB is > telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before > I get any > of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a > reasonable > accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes > and wait > until next semester? I will not be able to participate > appropriately > in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be > drastically > effected by this. > > Any advice, please? > > Yours, > Jewel Shuping > Wake Tech Community College > Raleigh, NC > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account > info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/william.odonnell1%40yahoo.com > From nabs.president at gmail.com Thu Jul 22 21:44:52 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:44:52 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Jewel and all, This is an old story that I've heard way too many times from students. Your counselor's actions (or non-actions) are ridiculous and definitely need to be addressed with her supervisor(s). In the meantime, though, I think it's important to come up with a plan B that doesn't involve DSB at all, at least while you're waiting. A few ideas: 1. With rehab, I'd focus on getting the computer and scanner. The refreshable Braille display and embosser are nice, but they're luxuries, not necessities, in my opinion. Asking for just a couple pieces of equipment rather than the whole gamut may be less complicated/bureaucratic. 2. Does your school have an office for blind/disabled students? If so they very well might have equipment for loan, like computers, and they should have public-access scanners that you can walk in and use. If not, find out if there's anywhere else on campus (like the bookstore or library) where you can borrow or rent a computer for low or no cost. Perhaps family members or friends might have extra computers you can borrow? Once you have the computer, you should be able to download a free open-source screen reader to use with it. 2. The NFB has a technology loan program and your NFB affiliate might have one too. Call the NFB Braille and Technology Center at 410-659-9314 for details. Of course borrowing equipment for free is better than racking up interest, but it could be a last-resort, temporary option. 3. If you can't get a portable computer, see if any of the public computers on your campus are accessible (all Mac's are out of the box). What you may need to do in a pinch is use a voice recorder in class and then use the public computer for assignments. 4. Remember that www.rfbd.org provides books in audio format, and www.bookshare.org provides books for free in a text format that you can read on a regular computer (either the public computer or a rented one). 5. Don't forget that readers are low-tech and relatively cheap (usually $7 per hour) and if your school has a community service club, you might be able to find volunteer readers. If rehab is uncooperative, your school (either the disability resource center or the department of your major) may be willing to help pay for readers, at least initially while you wait for equipment. In short, while you should definitely nag rehab to get you what you need (especially the laptop, scanner, and perhaps an audio book player like a Stream), rehab isn't, and shouldn't be, your only option. I think the only piece of equipment that's really mission-critical is a computer, and that can be either a personal computer or a public computer. Even your local public library might have a public computer you can use. I'd recommend staying in your classes if at all possible. Textbooks can be read with readers (readers can even be students in your classes, who have to read the books anyway), or with a public scanner (which might be available in the library or DRC). Best of luck and please keep us posted on your progress. Arielle On 7/22/10, William ODonnell wrote: > I would have to say that I agree with Joe on many of the points he has made. > Also, keep some things “off record” with your councilor. I am referring to > the suggestions of you purchasing a net book that you provided in your > email. Remember the following approach: don’t ask, don’t tell or do not > give any additional information than requested. > In addition, always copy a supervisor when you’re documenting so the context > of what you discuss is not altered or misrepresented at a later date. > Finally, investigate whether or not your local independent living center has > advocates that will speak on your behalf. > Note: some colleges and universities have laptops or net books that disabled > students can reserve from there DSS office for use during class. In regard > to readers or reading services, some organizations for the blind as well as > community centers have people from the community who volunteer who may > assist you. In addition, check with your college or university to see if > you can post an add requesting for volunteers to assist you when time is of > the essence and your accommodations/equipment is not available. I say the > following since it is a reality. Note: I do not want to discourage or scare > you; however, throughout your college career, you will learn and see that > you will need to liquidate all avenues since many times you will experience > faulty services and accommodations while meeting important deadlines as any > other student. You will need to be strong and always be your own advocate > while never losing focus with your agenda. > > > --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Joe Orozco wrote: > >> From: Joe Orozco >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:30 AM >> Hi Jewel, >> >> I see online that North Carolina just started a new fiscal >> year.  This is >> bad, because this is when agencies can afford to lapse a >> little.  If I were >> you, and taking your budget into consideration, this is my >> personal >> recommendation: >> >> 1. Take Justin's suggestion and go straight to the director >> of that field >> office.  It's not your job to ease this counselor into >> her new position. >> Your first priority is getting what you need to be ready >> for school.  Put >> your communications to the director in writing.  Say >> in your first e-mail >> that you will follow up via telephone in a few days to talk >> about what can >> be done.  Later, after your phone call, send another >> e-mail summarizing what >> was talked about.  Always keep a written record of >> your communications.  In >> the letter you should give a brief summary of the events to >> this point, but >> I would spend more time listing the equipment you need and >> a good >> justification for why you need them.  This may >> somewhat minimize the need >> for an assessment if you can give concrete reasons for why >> the products are >> required.  Also, rank your products in order of most >> important.  The Victor >> Stream, for example, may be a necessity, but it could >> probably go near or at >> the bottom since your top priority is the ability to take >> notes in class. >> >> 2. Locate the individual or office that handles technology >> assessments.  The >> more people you have inquiring into your case, the better, >> and even if they >> say they need to hear from your counselor, when your >> counselor calls the >> people will be familiar with you and have more of an >> incentive to act. >> >> 3. Talk to your NFB affiliate president.  He or she >> may know of someone >> working in the agency who can look into your case. >> The affiliate should >> also prove to be a good advocate on your behalf. >> >> 4. Locate your nearest Lions Club.  They may be able >> to step in and help >> with the cost of a netbook.  If you can get that, you >> can use one of the >> free or reasonably priced screen readers while you wait for >> your other >> technology to arrive.  The main thing is to get you >> something for the first >> day of class, and I think your Lions Club or Rotary Club >> should be able to >> generate $300 on your behalf. >> >> This is, at least, a start.  I'm in a bit of a rush >> but can offer more later >> if you're still in a bind.  Hopefully others will >> chime in as well. >> >> Best of luck, >> >> Joe >> >> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up >> their sleeves, >> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at >> all."--Sam Ewing >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >> On Behalf Of Jewel S. >> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >> >> Dear all, >> >> I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. >> I begin >> classes August 16, and have been working toward getting >> some needed >> equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a >> refreshable >> Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette >> embosser, a >> scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury >> (spelling?), and JAWS >> for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my >> side to get >> this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned >> recently to a >> new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first >> position). >> She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let >> alone how >> to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for >> review of >> my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with >> that >> information, despite him having stated that I needed an >> assessment >> with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I >> asked him what >> the next step was again that he said that my counselor >> should have set >> up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, >> he had >> said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I >> needed to >> just wait for the referral to go through). >> >> Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the >> referral done, the >> paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At >> first, they >> told me it would take two to three weeks to get the >> equipment. Then >> they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take >> up to two >> months! >> >> Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the >> equipment I >> need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than >> getting a >> notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my >> slate and >> stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate >> for a few >> lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very >> badly, so I >> don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have >> a voice >> recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds >> to purchase >> one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). >> >> I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my >> equipment >> comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to >> mean that >> I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has >> suggested places >> to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it >> also. When I >> asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop >> promised me >> by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the >> laptop I would >> purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if >> it's used, how >> can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for >> such a >> laptop? >> >> Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? >> SWhat should >> I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, >> who should I >> bring this up with? >> >> As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a >> way to record >> the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or >> complete >> worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on >> other >> students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and >> will not be >> able to participate when the class reads the books. I might >> as well >> not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From >> what DSB is >> telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before >> I get any >> of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a >> reasonable >> accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes >> and wait >> until next semester? I will not be able to participate >> appropriately >> in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be >> drastically >> effected by this. >> >> Any advice, please? >> >> Yours, >> Jewel Shuping >> Wake Tech Community College >> Raleigh, NC >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account >> info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/william.odonnell1%40yahoo.com >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Jul 22 23:53:32 2010 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:53:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment References: Message-ID: <7813E63287044C59B0CE78F9C77C3635@Ashley> Hi Jewel, That is very unfortunate about your counselor's actions. I'd narrow down what you are asking for. I'd say the more essential things are the netbook, jaws, and and VR stream. The embosser and I think you mean Duxbury, the braille translation software are not essential. I'd say bring it up with the counselors supervisor. I would not go purchase a used laptop. You don't know what you're getting then and if it crashes on you you are in a bind again. Write a letter to the supervisor, probably the manager of the regional office, outlining why you need this equipment and your counselor's actions. Maybe if he/she is on your side they can speed up the order of equipment. Meanwhile stay in school! For notetaking, I'd say buy a voice recorder. Will you need a computer in class for online assignments? You mentioned completing worksheets in class. Generally classes are lecture/discussion based. What sort of class would need the completion of worksheets? For in class assignments your school should step in and help. If other students are using computers in class, then you should be provided one with jaws to complete your work. For doing assignments as others said, use a public computer. At my school the library has a computer with jaws and its reasonable for yours to have this as well. You must have a computer already with a screen reader since you wrote this message, why can't you use that one at home to complete school work? For reading books you can use RFB downloaded books and read it on a computer or use a reader. Ask classmates or a religious/service club at school to read for you. I think its optimal to read books on the go in a portable manner. With a VR stream you can record notes, download RFB books, and read text documents all in one unit! Plus you can place CD music on the sd card if you want as well. I think its so multi functional! So I'd say try and find other sources for the VR stream and fight rehab for the more expensive equipment like the netbook/jaws. The NFB has a technology loan program you could try. Maybe a lions or Rotery club would purchase the VR stream for you. Is there a lighthouse for the blind nearby? Maybe they could lend you one. A VR stream is under $400 which is pretty reasonable for all it can do. Hope things work out! Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jewel S." To: Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment > Dear all, > > I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. I begin > classes August 16, and have been working toward getting some needed > equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a refreshable > Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette embosser, a > scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury (spelling?), and JAWS > for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my side to get > this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned recently to a > new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first position). > She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let alone how > to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for review of > my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with that > information, despite him having stated that I needed an assessment > with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I asked him what > the next step was again that he said that my counselor should have set > up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, he had > said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I needed to > just wait for the referral to go through). > > Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the referral done, the > paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At first, they > told me it would take two to three weeks to get the equipment. Then > they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take up to two > months! > > Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the equipment I > need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than getting a > notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my slate and > stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate for a few > lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very badly, so I > don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have a voice > recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds to purchase > one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). > > I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my equipment > comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to mean that > I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has suggested places > to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it also. When I > asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop promised me > by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the laptop I would > purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if it's used, how > can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for such a > laptop? > > Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? SWhat should > I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, who should I > bring this up with? > > As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a way to record > the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or complete > worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on other > students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and will not be > able to participate when the class reads the books. I might as well > not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From what DSB is > telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before I get any > of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a reasonable > accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes and wait > until next semester? I will not be able to participate appropriately > in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be drastically > effected by this. > > Any advice, please? > > Yours, > Jewel Shuping > Wake Tech Community College > Raleigh, NC > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Jul 23 00:10:38 2010 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:10:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] O&M services through state agency for the blind Message-ID: <65CEBEE21BB2437DB0A8831AA6528B65@Ashley> Hi all, I wanted to vent here about a problem I have and see what sort of service your state agency provides. I'm in VA and the state agency is Department for the blind and Vision Impaired, DBVI. one skill I struggle with is O&M. I have tunnel vision and use a cane. I don't have a good sense of direction and my spatial abilities are lacking; Its hard for me to build a cognitive map in my head so if someone explains directions or a layout I cannot hold that in my head and comprehend it unless its drawn for me as a map on paper. Sometimes "drawing" on my skin with a finger helps me get the shape of something. I say this as background fo my situation. I am requesting O&M service from the agency. However my instructor really can't teach and he is rude. I mentioned to Corbb who I think worked with this instructor, that I really wanted the other instructor in the Fairfax office. He agreed with me. But they denied my request stating I had to work with the instructor assigned to my territory. This instructor gave me short lessons of less than an hour, cancelled many times, and had to rest on lessons because he did not feel well. When I complained about this comduct they just said that is not acceptable and the manager said he would speak to the instructor. Then we had a meeting to lay out goals and clarify the instructor's responsibility. They said it was the instructor's responsibility to plan lessons and bring me to places to learn my objectives. They also said I had a right to longer lessons. I was not happy with the meeting since the instructor hardly participated and gave no indication as to how he would improve and teach me. He clearly does not care. They, I mean the manager of the Fairfax office, tells me I may not get lessons but once a month because they are short staffed. I feel this is rediculous because I need more to meet my needs; like three or four times a month. The bottom line is they won't give me adaquate service. Giving me instruction with an impatient, rude, instructor is not quality service. The other instructor is university trained as well, but she is much better, has teaching abilities and a positive attitude. But I cannot have her because she is not assigned to my territory. I wish they would outsource OandM service to meet client's needs. There are many good OandMers here that don't work for the agency. I wish they would contract with someone. BTW I want to learn such things as better orientation strategies outside, crossing streets, and public transit. Can you tell me what your services were like in terms of quality and frequency of lessons if you had community O&M from an agency. I'm not sure what to do other than go up the chain of command with my complaint. Thanks. Ashley From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Jul 23 01:35:48 2010 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 19:35:48 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] O&M services through state agency for the blind In-Reply-To: <65CEBEE21BB2437DB0A8831AA6528B65@Ashley> References: <65CEBEE21BB2437DB0A8831AA6528B65@Ashley> Message-ID: Florida services were bad enough. The instructor I was assigned canceled eight times. I couldn't get O and M but once a week. I hope I can convince you, Ashley, to try CCB. The staf are all amazing, blind, and know how to travel. My orientation skills are pretty bad myself, but the CCB staff are determined to have me overcome this, and so am I. The NFB training centers are all about overcoming obstacles. Here, you can also learn Braille, computers/tech, and home management skills. Louisiana also has an NFB center, but I say CCB people are better travelers because we have to walk and take the train and bus to our center every day. I think that makes us better travelers because it makes us focus more on walking to the destination and gives us practice, but I hate route travel. Services with state agencies are pretty bad a lot of times, so I would recommend going to an NFB training center. Beth On 7/22/10, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Hi all, > I wanted to vent here about a problem I have and see what sort of service > your state agency provides. I'm in VA and the state agency is Department > for the blind and Vision Impaired, DBVI. > > > one skill I struggle with is O&M. I have tunnel vision and use a cane. I > don't have a good sense of direction and my spatial abilities are lacking; > Its hard for me to build a cognitive map in my head so if someone explains > directions or a layout I cannot hold that in my head and comprehend it > unless its drawn for me as a map on paper. Sometimes "drawing" on my skin > with a finger helps me get the shape of something. I say this as background > fo my situation. > > I am requesting O&M service from the agency. However my instructor really > can't teach and he is rude. I mentioned to Corbb who I think worked with > this instructor, that I really wanted the other instructor in the Fairfax > office. He agreed with me. But they denied my request stating I had to > work with the instructor assigned to my territory. This instructor gave me > short lessons of less than an hour, cancelled many times, and had to rest on > lessons because he did not feel well. > > When I complained about this comduct they just said that is not acceptable > and the manager said he would speak to the instructor. Then we had a > meeting to lay out goals and clarify the instructor's responsibility. They > said it was the instructor's responsibility to plan lessons and bring me to > places to learn my objectives. They also said I had a right to longer > lessons. > I was not happy with the meeting since the instructor hardly participated > and gave no indication as to how he would improve and teach me. He clearly > does not care. > > They, I mean the manager of the Fairfax office, tells me I may not get > lessons but once a month because they are short staffed. I feel this is > rediculous because I need more to meet my needs; like three or four times a > month. > > The bottom line is they won't give me adaquate service. Giving me > instruction with an impatient, rude, instructor is not quality service. The > other instructor is university trained as well, but she is much better, has > teaching abilities and a positive attitude. But I cannot have her because > she is not assigned to my territory. > > > I wish they would outsource OandM service to meet client's needs. There are > many good OandMers here that don't work for the agency. I wish they would > contract with someone. BTW I want to learn such things as better > orientation strategies outside, crossing streets, and public transit. > > Can you tell me what your services were like in terms of quality and > frequency of lessons if you had community O&M from an agency. I'm not sure > what to do other than go up the chain of command with my complaint. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com > From agrima at nbp.org Fri Jul 23 03:05:13 2010 From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 22:05:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NBP-Announce: Windows 7 and Vista Explained! 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Visit us at http://www.nbp.org From ignasicambra at gmail.com Fri Jul 23 10:02:57 2010 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 06:02:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: <7813E63287044C59B0CE78F9C77C3635@Ashley> References: <7813E63287044C59B0CE78F9C77C3635@Ashley> Message-ID: <57CC859A-2AFA-46F6-AE59-3C2047ACEAD2@gmail.com> You can also try to see if there are any Macintosh computers around your school. In my experience, most schools own several of these machines, and they are fully accessible. This would be helpful to you, at least until you get the equipment you actually want. On Jul 22, 2010, at 7:53 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi Jewel, > That is very unfortunate about your counselor's actions. I'd narrow down what you are asking for. I'd say the more essential things are the netbook, jaws, and and VR stream. The embosser and I think you mean Duxbury, the braille translation software are not essential. > I'd say bring it up with the counselors > supervisor. I would not go purchase a used laptop. You don't know what you're getting then and if it crashes on you you are in a bind again. > > Write a letter to the supervisor, probably the manager of the regional office, outlining why you need this equipment and your counselor's actions. Maybe if he/she is on your side they can speed up the order of equipment. > > Meanwhile stay in school! For notetaking, I'd say buy a voice recorder. > Will you need a computer in class for online assignments? You mentioned completing worksheets in class. Generally classes are lecture/discussion based. What sort of class would need the completion of worksheets? For in class assignments your school should step in and help. If other students are using computers in class, then you should be provided one with jaws to complete your work. > > > For doing assignments as others said, use a public computer. At my school the library has a computer with jaws and its reasonable for yours to have this as well. You must have a computer already with a screen reader since you wrote this message, why can't you use that one at home to complete school work? > > For reading books you can use RFB downloaded books and read it on a computer or use a reader. Ask classmates or a religious/service club at school > to read for you. > > I think its optimal to read books on the go in a portable manner. With a VR stream > you can record notes, download RFB books, and read text documents all in one unit! Plus you can place CD music on the sd card if you want as well. > I think its so multi functional! So I'd say try and find other sources for the VR stream and fight rehab for the more expensive equipment like the netbook/jaws. > The NFB has a technology loan program you could try. Maybe a lions or Rotery club would purchase the VR stream for you. Is there a lighthouse for the blind nearby? Maybe they could lend you one. A VR stream is under $400 > which is pretty reasonable for all it can do. > > Hope things work out! > > Ashley > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jewel S." > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM > Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment > > >> Dear all, >> >> I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. I begin >> classes August 16, and have been working toward getting some needed >> equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a refreshable >> Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette embosser, a >> scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury (spelling?), and JAWS >> for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my side to get >> this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned recently to a >> new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first position). >> She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let alone how >> to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for review of >> my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with that >> information, despite him having stated that I needed an assessment >> with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I asked him what >> the next step was again that he said that my counselor should have set >> up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, he had >> said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I needed to >> just wait for the referral to go through). >> >> Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the referral done, the >> paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At first, they >> told me it would take two to three weeks to get the equipment. Then >> they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take up to two >> months! >> >> Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the equipment I >> need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than getting a >> notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my slate and >> stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate for a few >> lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very badly, so I >> don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have a voice >> recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds to purchase >> one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). >> >> I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my equipment >> comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to mean that >> I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has suggested places >> to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it also. When I >> asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop promised me >> by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the laptop I would >> purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if it's used, how >> can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for such a >> laptop? >> >> Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? SWhat should >> I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, who should I >> bring this up with? >> >> As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a way to record >> the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or complete >> worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on other >> students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and will not be >> able to participate when the class reads the books. I might as well >> not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From what DSB is >> telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before I get any >> of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a reasonable >> accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes and wait >> until next semester? I will not be able to participate appropriately >> in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be drastically >> effected by this. >> >> Any advice, please? >> >> Yours, >> Jewel Shuping >> Wake Tech Community College >> Raleigh, NC >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Fri Jul 23 17:02:53 2010 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:02:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] O&M services through state agency for the blind In-Reply-To: References: <65CEBEE21BB2437DB0A8831AA6528B65@Ashley> Message-ID: Hi Ashley: I'm from W.VA...a very poor state that also has terrible services. I right now am trying to decide which center I want to go to, but when I was getting contracted O and M services it was pretty bad. The instructor I had only worked on route travel with me, which I hate and do not do very well with...I am much better and am excelling even without training with the structured discovery method. Our state agency is so bad that a few years ago they lost funding and had to close part of the building down. They now put you in a hotel to stay every night...I toured our state center once and could tell just from that one tour that it was pretty bad. I doubt that you'll get very good services from your state...I'd also recomend one of the NFB training centers...or at least one that has structured discovery cane travel. I believe the structured discovery method is much much better and you'll learn much more with it. Just my opinion! Kerri On 7/22/10, Beth wrote: > Florida services were bad enough. The instructor I was assigned > canceled eight times. I couldn't get O and M but once a week. I hope > I can convince you, Ashley, to try CCB. The staf are all amazing, > blind, and know how to travel. My orientation skills are pretty bad > myself, but the CCB staff are determined to have me overcome this, and > so am I. The NFB training centers are all about overcoming obstacles. > Here, you can also learn Braille, computers/tech, and home management > skills. Louisiana also has an NFB center, but I say CCB people are > better travelers because we have to walk and take the train and bus to > our center every day. I think that makes us better travelers because > it makes us focus more on walking to the destination and gives us > practice, but I hate route travel. Services with state agencies are > pretty bad a lot of times, so I would recommend going to an NFB > training center. > Beth > > On 7/22/10, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >> Hi all, >> I wanted to vent here about a problem I have and see what sort of service >> your state agency provides. I'm in VA and the state agency is Department >> for the blind and Vision Impaired, DBVI. >> >> >> one skill I struggle with is O&M. I have tunnel vision and use a cane. I >> don't have a good sense of direction and my spatial abilities are lacking; >> Its hard for me to build a cognitive map in my head so if someone explains >> directions or a layout I cannot hold that in my head and comprehend it >> unless its drawn for me as a map on paper. Sometimes "drawing" on my skin >> with a finger helps me get the shape of something. I say this as >> background >> fo my situation. >> >> I am requesting O&M service from the agency. However my instructor really >> can't teach and he is rude. I mentioned to Corbb who I think worked with >> this instructor, that I really wanted the other instructor in the Fairfax >> office. He agreed with me. But they denied my request stating I had to >> work with the instructor assigned to my territory. This instructor gave >> me >> short lessons of less than an hour, cancelled many times, and had to rest >> on >> lessons because he did not feel well. >> >> When I complained about this comduct they just said that is not acceptable >> and the manager said he would speak to the instructor. Then we had a >> meeting to lay out goals and clarify the instructor's responsibility. >> They >> said it was the instructor's responsibility to plan lessons and bring me >> to >> places to learn my objectives. They also said I had a right to longer >> lessons. >> I was not happy with the meeting since the instructor hardly participated >> and gave no indication as to how he would improve and teach me. He >> clearly >> does not care. >> >> They, I mean the manager of the Fairfax office, tells me I may not get >> lessons but once a month because they are short staffed. I feel this is >> rediculous because I need more to meet my needs; like three or four times >> a >> month. >> >> The bottom line is they won't give me adaquate service. Giving me >> instruction with an impatient, rude, instructor is not quality service. >> The >> other instructor is university trained as well, but she is much better, >> has >> teaching abilities and a positive attitude. But I cannot have her because >> she is not assigned to my territory. >> >> >> I wish they would outsource OandM service to meet client's needs. There >> are >> many good OandMers here that don't work for the agency. I wish they would >> contract with someone. BTW I want to learn such things as better >> orientation strategies outside, crossing streets, and public transit. >> >> Can you tell me what your services were like in terms of quality and >> frequency of lessons if you had community O&M from an agency. I'm not >> sure >> what to do other than go up the chain of command with my complaint. >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Jul 23 17:19:45 2010 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:19:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible digital recorders Message-ID: I'm looking into getting a digital recorder to record notes such as phone numbers at meetings and lectures. I am already aware that the VR stream and other blindness made notetakers have digital recording capability. But I am seeking a recorder that is small, light weight, durable, picks up audio at a range, and can organize notes by folders. I'd like something to fit in my purse so I don't have to carry around an extra bag although I do anyway to put my Braille Note in and other matterials from lectures if on campus. The problem with the Braille Note recording is it records in .WAV files and those are huge so you cannot fit many notes on a flash card. So what do you recommend? Which recorders are accessible or semi accessible? Some have beeps as you move around so you don't have to see the screen. If its not fully accessible which parts are? What is the voice range? I mean in a quiet room can it pick up a speaker's voice from several feet away? Does it have the capability to hook up to a computer and convert the notes to MP3s, upload to the internet or do other things with it? I'm thinking of getting this at Radio Shack or Best buy. Thanks! Ashley From brileyp at gmail.com Fri Jul 23 17:41:05 2010 From: brileyp at gmail.com (Briley Pollard) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 12:41:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> Hi all, I just wanted to offer that I don't agree that a Braille display is a "luxury", and that you shouldn't push for Voc Rehab to provide it. Is having print a "luxury", for sighted students? No. If Braille is your preferred reading medium, you shouldn't be forced to just get by with only audio if that is not how you best learn. They would never send a sighted student off to college and say, "Good luck getting by with no print books." Voc Rehab can provide this for you, and moving up the chain of command will achieve the quickest results. Every regional office has specific complaint procedures which you can request in writing from your councilor's manager. Just my thoughts, Briley On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Jewel and all, > > This is an old story that I've heard way too many times from students. > Your counselor's actions (or non-actions) are ridiculous and > definitely need to be addressed with her supervisor(s). In the > meantime, though, I think it's important to come up with a plan B that > doesn't involve DSB at all, at least while you're waiting. A few > ideas: > > 1. With rehab, I'd focus on getting the computer and scanner. The > refreshable Braille display and embosser are nice, but they're > luxuries, not necessities, in my opinion. Asking for just a couple > pieces of equipment rather than the whole gamut may be less > complicated/bureaucratic. > 2. Does your school have an office for blind/disabled students? If so > they very well might have equipment for loan, like computers, and they > should have public-access scanners that you can walk in and use. If > not, find out if there's anywhere else on campus (like the bookstore > or library) where you can borrow or rent a computer for low or no > cost. Perhaps family members or friends might have extra computers you > can borrow? Once you have the computer, you should be able to download > a free open-source screen reader to use with it. > 2. The NFB has a technology loan program and your NFB affiliate might > have one too. Call the NFB Braille and Technology Center at > 410-659-9314 for details. Of course borrowing equipment for free is > better than racking up interest, but it could be a last-resort, > temporary option. > 3. If you can't get a portable computer, see if any of the public > computers on your campus are accessible (all Mac's are out of the > box). What you may need to do in a pinch is use a voice recorder in > class and then use the public computer for assignments. > 4. Remember that > www.rfbd.org > provides books in audio format, and > www.bookshare.org > provides books for free in a text format that you can read on a > regular computer (either the public computer or a rented one). > 5. Don't forget that readers are low-tech and relatively cheap > (usually $7 per hour) and if your school has a community service club, > you might be able to find volunteer readers. If rehab is > uncooperative, your school (either the disability resource center or > the department of your major) may be willing to help pay for readers, > at least initially while you wait for equipment. > > In short, while you should definitely nag rehab to get you what you > need (especially the laptop, scanner, and perhaps an audio book player > like a Stream), rehab isn't, and shouldn't be, your only option. I > think the only piece of equipment that's really mission-critical is a > computer, and that can be either a personal computer or a public > computer. Even your local public library might have a public computer > you can use. I'd recommend staying in your classes if at all possible. > Textbooks can be read with readers (readers can even be students in > your classes, who have to read the books anyway), or with a public > scanner (which might be available in the library or DRC). > > Best of luck and please keep us posted on your progress. > Arielle > > On 7/22/10, William ODonnell wrote: >> I would have to say that I agree with Joe on many of the points he has made. >> Also, keep some things “off record” with your councilor. I am referring to >> the suggestions of you purchasing a net book that you provided in your >> email. Remember the following approach: don’t ask, don’t tell or do not >> give any additional information than requested. >> In addition, always copy a supervisor when you’re documenting so the context >> of what you discuss is not altered or misrepresented at a later date. >> Finally, investigate whether or not your local independent living center has >> advocates that will speak on your behalf. >> Note: some colleges and universities have laptops or net books that disabled >> students can reserve from there DSS office for use during class. In regard >> to readers or reading services, some organizations for the blind as well as >> community centers have people from the community who volunteer who may >> assist you. In addition, check with your college or university to see if >> you can post an add requesting for volunteers to assist you when time is of >> the essence and your accommodations/equipment is not available. I say the >> following since it is a reality. Note: I do not want to discourage or scare >> you; however, throughout your college career, you will learn and see that >> you will need to liquidate all avenues since many times you will experience >> faulty services and accommodations while meeting important deadlines as any >> other student. You will need to be strong and always be your own advocate >> while never losing focus with your agenda. >> >> >> --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Joe Orozco wrote: >> >>> From: Joe Orozco >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>> >>> Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:30 AM >>> Hi Jewel, >>> >>> I see online that North Carolina just started a new fiscal >>> year. This is >>> bad, because this is when agencies can afford to lapse a >>> little. If I were >>> you, and taking your budget into consideration, this is my >>> personal >>> recommendation: >>> >>> 1. Take Justin's suggestion and go straight to the director >>> of that field >>> office. It's not your job to ease this counselor into >>> her new position. >>> Your first priority is getting what you need to be ready >>> for school. Put >>> your communications to the director in writing. Say >>> in your first e-mail >>> that you will follow up via telephone in a few days to talk >>> about what can >>> be done. Later, after your phone call, send another >>> e-mail summarizing what >>> was talked about. Always keep a written record of >>> your communications. In >>> the letter you should give a brief summary of the events to >>> this point, but >>> I would spend more time listing the equipment you need and >>> a good >>> justification for why you need them. This may >>> somewhat minimize the need >>> for an assessment if you can give concrete reasons for why >>> the products are >>> required. Also, rank your products in order of most >>> important. The Victor >>> Stream, for example, may be a necessity, but it could >>> probably go near or at >>> the bottom since your top priority is the ability to take >>> notes in class. >>> >>> 2. Locate the individual or office that handles technology >>> assessments. The >>> more people you have inquiring into your case, the better, >>> and even if they >>> say they need to hear from your counselor, when your >>> counselor calls the >>> people will be familiar with you and have more of an >>> incentive to act. >>> >>> 3. Talk to your NFB affiliate president. He or she >>> may know of someone >>> working in the agency who can look into your case. >>> The affiliate should >>> also prove to be a good advocate on your behalf. >>> >>> 4. Locate your nearest Lions Club. They may be able >>> to step in and help >>> with the cost of a netbook. If you can get that, you >>> can use one of the >>> free or reasonably priced screen readers while you wait for >>> your other >>> technology to arrive. The main thing is to get you >>> something for the first >>> day of class, and I think your Lions Club or Rotary Club >>> should be able to >>> generate $300 on your behalf. >>> >>> This is, at least, a start. I'm in a bit of a rush >>> but can offer more later >>> if you're still in a bind. Hopefully others will >>> chime in as well. >>> >>> Best of luck, >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up >>> their sleeves, >>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at >>> all."--Sam Ewing >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>> On Behalf Of Jewel S. >>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. >>> I begin >>> classes August 16, and have been working toward getting >>> some needed >>> equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a >>> refreshable >>> Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette >>> embosser, a >>> scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury >>> (spelling?), and JAWS >>> for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my >>> side to get >>> this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned >>> recently to a >>> new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first >>> position). >>> She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let >>> alone how >>> to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for >>> review of >>> my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with >>> that >>> information, despite him having stated that I needed an >>> assessment >>> with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I >>> asked him what >>> the next step was again that he said that my counselor >>> should have set >>> up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, >>> he had >>> said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I >>> needed to >>> just wait for the referral to go through). >>> >>> Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the >>> referral done, the >>> paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At >>> first, they >>> told me it would take two to three weeks to get the >>> equipment. Then >>> they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take >>> up to two >>> months! >>> >>> Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the >>> equipment I >>> need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than >>> getting a >>> notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my >>> slate and >>> stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate >>> for a few >>> lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very >>> badly, so I >>> don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have >>> a voice >>> recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds >>> to purchase >>> one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). >>> >>> I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my >>> equipment >>> comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to >>> mean that >>> I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has >>> suggested places >>> to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it >>> also. When I >>> asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop >>> promised me >>> by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the >>> laptop I would >>> purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if >>> it's used, how >>> can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for >>> such a >>> laptop? >>> >>> Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? >>> SWhat should >>> I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, >>> who should I >>> bring this up with? >>> >>> As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a >>> way to record >>> the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or >>> complete >>> worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on >>> other >>> students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and >>> will not be >>> able to participate when the class reads the books. I might >>> as well >>> not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From >>> what DSB is >>> telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before >>> I get any >>> of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a >>> reasonable >>> accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes >>> and wait >>> until next semester? I will not be able to participate >>> appropriately >>> in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be >>> drastically >>> effected by this. >>> >>> Any advice, please? >>> >>> Yours, >>> Jewel Shuping >>> Wake Tech Community College >>> Raleigh, NC >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account >>> info for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>> account info for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/william.odonnell1%40yahoo.com >>> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Arielle Silverman > President, National Association of Blind Students > Phone: 602-502-2255 > Email: > nabs.president at gmail.com > Website: > www.nabslink.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Jul 23 17:59:06 2010 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:59:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] O&M services through state agency for the blind References: <65CEBEE21BB2437DB0A8831AA6528B65@Ashley> Message-ID: Kerri, I've gotten decent services in other areas. My VR is not responsibe in a timely manner but counselor I think that is the case with many states. I had technology services to learn my Braille Note and that was good training through a contracted tech trainer. I also had a low vision exam from a very good professional that was also contracted. I say this to state that not all services are bad. I believe there are great O and M people out there, maybe don't teach exactly like NFB does but they are great and have a variety of teaching methods for many types of people. Unfortunately, the instructor I have is not a good OandMer. For OandM there are two specialists through the office. One has an excellent reputation and a good attitude and she is conscientious. The other who I have is not. I want to learn in my own area and own transit system. I don't think I'd learn well from structured discovery. I need systematic instruction to learn an area and I don't do well by guess work and discovering on my own to learn anything especially OandM. There are many great O and M specialists out there and I think I'm going to insist they contract with an OandMer who can actually teach me if the current instructor does not improve. I went to our state rehab center and its a mix of traditional and NFB instruction since its run by a Federationist. I had a taste of mobility from an agency trained mobility person through NFB and it did not work. I hate compass directions for one thing. I cannot form a picture nor retain any info telling me Elm street goes south and Forest street goes west and walk a few blocks and turn west, etc. It does not make sense and never will. I need to do right/left or better yet tell me in terms of a clock. I mean say "you're standing at 12:00 and at 6:00 is Store A and 9:00 is store B etc. Structured discovery works well for those who can build a mental map and pick up and retain environmental information on their own. I really struggle with directional concepts. When I was young learning print I flipped the print B and D because they are opposites as you know if you saw them. D has a loop on the left and B has a loop on the right. I also learned braille after print because print they realized was not the best medium. I mention this as another example of flipping directions and misunderstanding them. Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerri Kosten" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] O&M services through state agency for the blind > Hi Ashley: > > I'm from W.VA...a very poor state that also has terrible services. > > I right now am trying to decide which center I want to go to, but when > I was getting contracted O and M services it was pretty bad. The > instructor I had only worked on route travel with me, which I hate and > do not do very well with...I am much better and am excelling even > without training with the structured discovery method. Our state > agency is so bad that a few years ago they lost funding and had to > close part of the building down. They now put you in a hotel to stay > every night...I toured our state center once and could tell just from > that one tour that it was pretty bad. > > I doubt that you'll get very good services from your state...I'd also > recomend one of the NFB training centers...or at least one that has > structured discovery cane travel. I believe the structured discovery > method is much much better and you'll learn much more with it. > > Just my opinion! > > Kerri > > On 7/22/10, Beth wrote: >> Florida services were bad enough. The instructor I was assigned >> canceled eight times. I couldn't get O and M but once a week. I hope >> I can convince you, Ashley, to try CCB. The staf are all amazing, >> blind, and know how to travel. My orientation skills are pretty bad >> myself, but the CCB staff are determined to have me overcome this, and >> so am I. The NFB training centers are all about overcoming obstacles. >> Here, you can also learn Braille, computers/tech, and home management >> skills. Louisiana also has an NFB center, but I say CCB people are >> better travelers because we have to walk and take the train and bus to >> our center every day. I think that makes us better travelers because >> it makes us focus more on walking to the destination and gives us >> practice, but I hate route travel. Services with state agencies are >> pretty bad a lot of times, so I would recommend going to an NFB >> training center. >> Beth >> >> On 7/22/10, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> I wanted to vent here about a problem I have and see what sort of >>> service >>> your state agency provides. I'm in VA and the state agency is >>> Department >>> for the blind and Vision Impaired, DBVI. >>> >>> >>> one skill I struggle with is O&M. I have tunnel vision and use a cane. >>> I >>> don't have a good sense of direction and my spatial abilities are >>> lacking; >>> Its hard for me to build a cognitive map in my head so if someone >>> explains >>> directions or a layout I cannot hold that in my head and comprehend it >>> unless its drawn for me as a map on paper. Sometimes "drawing" on my >>> skin >>> with a finger helps me get the shape of something. I say this as >>> background >>> fo my situation. >>> >>> I am requesting O&M service from the agency. However my instructor >>> really >>> can't teach and he is rude. I mentioned to Corbb who I think worked >>> with >>> this instructor, that I really wanted the other instructor in the >>> Fairfax >>> office. He agreed with me. But they denied my request stating I had to >>> work with the instructor assigned to my territory. This instructor gave >>> me >>> short lessons of less than an hour, cancelled many times, and had to >>> rest >>> on >>> lessons because he did not feel well. >>> >>> When I complained about this comduct they just said that is not >>> acceptable >>> and the manager said he would speak to the instructor. Then we had a >>> meeting to lay out goals and clarify the instructor's responsibility. >>> They >>> said it was the instructor's responsibility to plan lessons and bring me >>> to >>> places to learn my objectives. They also said I had a right to longer >>> lessons. >>> I was not happy with the meeting since the instructor hardly >>> participated >>> and gave no indication as to how he would improve and teach me. He >>> clearly >>> does not care. >>> >>> They, I mean the manager of the Fairfax office, tells me I may not get >>> lessons but once a month because they are short staffed. I feel this is >>> rediculous because I need more to meet my needs; like three or four >>> times >>> a >>> month. >>> >>> The bottom line is they won't give me adaquate service. Giving me >>> instruction with an impatient, rude, instructor is not quality service. >>> The >>> other instructor is university trained as well, but she is much better, >>> has >>> teaching abilities and a positive attitude. But I cannot have her >>> because >>> she is not assigned to my territory. >>> >>> >>> I wish they would outsource OandM service to meet client's needs. There >>> are >>> many good OandMers here that don't work for the agency. I wish they >>> would >>> contract with someone. BTW I want to learn such things as better >>> orientation strategies outside, crossing streets, and public transit. >>> >>> Can you tell me what your services were like in terms of quality and >>> frequency of lessons if you had community O&M from an agency. I'm not >>> sure >>> what to do other than go up the chain of command with my complaint. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloose%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Fri Jul 23 18:18:02 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:18:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: <721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> Message-ID: This is my feelings also. I do not think the refreshable Braille display is a luxury, but an essential tool for my learning. I am a visual and tactile learner, and have a lot of trouble learning by audio teaching only. I often have to re-read what JAWS has read to me several times, and have to rewind audio books if I have the least distraction (such as someone making a comment to me or the radio or tv or pretty much any background noise can distract me). A quick update. They want to do an accessment (laptop or PDA). I'm going to ask about justifying just getting the laptop, as I think it'll be the easiest way to go (more compatibility with programs, more connection with other students, less expensive for DSB, more versatile in future programs that I purchase). The supervisor was not in today; I will speak to him on Monday and get this all straightened out. ~Jewel On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: > Hi all, > > I just wanted to offer that I don't agree that a Braille display is a > "luxury", and that you shouldn't push for Voc Rehab to provide it. Is having > print a "luxury", for sighted students? No. If Braille is your preferred > reading medium, you shouldn't be forced to just get by with only audio if > that is not how you best learn. They would never send a sighted student off > to college and say, "Good luck getting by with no print books." Voc Rehab > can provide this for you, and moving up the chain of command will achieve > the quickest results. Every regional office has specific complaint > procedures which you can request in writing from your councilor's manager. > > Just my thoughts, > Briley > On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > >> Hi Jewel and all, >> >> This is an old story that I've heard way too many times from students. >> Your counselor's actions (or non-actions) are ridiculous and >> definitely need to be addressed with her supervisor(s). In the >> meantime, though, I think it's important to come up with a plan B that >> doesn't involve DSB at all, at least while you're waiting. A few >> ideas: >> >> 1. With rehab, I'd focus on getting the computer and scanner. The >> refreshable Braille display and embosser are nice, but they're >> luxuries, not necessities, in my opinion. Asking for just a couple >> pieces of equipment rather than the whole gamut may be less >> complicated/bureaucratic. >> 2. Does your school have an office for blind/disabled students? If so >> they very well might have equipment for loan, like computers, and they >> should have public-access scanners that you can walk in and use. If >> not, find out if there's anywhere else on campus (like the bookstore >> or library) where you can borrow or rent a computer for low or no >> cost. Perhaps family members or friends might have extra computers you >> can borrow? Once you have the computer, you should be able to download >> a free open-source screen reader to use with it. >> 2. The NFB has a technology loan program and your NFB affiliate might >> have one too. Call the NFB Braille and Technology Center at >> 410-659-9314 for details. Of course borrowing equipment for free is >> better than racking up interest, but it could be a last-resort, >> temporary option. >> 3. If you can't get a portable computer, see if any of the public >> computers on your campus are accessible (all Mac's are out of the >> box). What you may need to do in a pinch is use a voice recorder in >> class and then use the public computer for assignments. >> 4. Remember that >> www.rfbd.org >> provides books in audio format, and >> www.bookshare.org >> provides books for free in a text format that you can read on a >> regular computer (either the public computer or a rented one). >> 5. Don't forget that readers are low-tech and relatively cheap >> (usually $7 per hour) and if your school has a community service club, >> you might be able to find volunteer readers. If rehab is >> uncooperative, your school (either the disability resource center or >> the department of your major) may be willing to help pay for readers, >> at least initially while you wait for equipment. >> >> In short, while you should definitely nag rehab to get you what you >> need (especially the laptop, scanner, and perhaps an audio book player >> like a Stream), rehab isn't, and shouldn't be, your only option. I >> think the only piece of equipment that's really mission-critical is a >> computer, and that can be either a personal computer or a public >> computer. Even your local public library might have a public computer >> you can use. I'd recommend staying in your classes if at all possible. >> Textbooks can be read with readers (readers can even be students in >> your classes, who have to read the books anyway), or with a public >> scanner (which might be available in the library or DRC). >> >> Best of luck and please keep us posted on your progress. >> Arielle >> >> On 7/22/10, William ODonnell wrote: >>> I would have to say that I agree with Joe on many of the points he has >>> made. >>> Also, keep some things “off record” with your councilor. I am referring >>> to >>> the suggestions of you purchasing a net book that you provided in your >>> email. Remember the following approach: don’t ask, don’t tell or do not >>> give any additional information than requested. >>> In addition, always copy a supervisor when you’re documenting so the >>> context >>> of what you discuss is not altered or misrepresented at a later date. >>> Finally, investigate whether or not your local independent living center >>> has >>> advocates that will speak on your behalf. >>> Note: some colleges and universities have laptops or net books that >>> disabled >>> students can reserve from there DSS office for use during class. In >>> regard >>> to readers or reading services, some organizations for the blind as well >>> as >>> community centers have people from the community who volunteer who may >>> assist you. In addition, check with your college or university to see if >>> you can post an add requesting for volunteers to assist you when time is >>> of >>> the essence and your accommodations/equipment is not available. I say >>> the >>> following since it is a reality. Note: I do not want to discourage or >>> scare >>> you; however, throughout your college career, you will learn and see that >>> you will need to liquidate all avenues since many times you will >>> experience >>> faulty services and accommodations while meeting important deadlines as >>> any >>> other student. You will need to be strong and always be your own >>> advocate >>> while never losing focus with your agenda. >>> >>> >>> --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Joe Orozco wrote: >>> >>>> From: Joe Orozco >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>> >>>> Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:30 AM >>>> Hi Jewel, >>>> >>>> I see online that North Carolina just started a new fiscal >>>> year. This is >>>> bad, because this is when agencies can afford to lapse a >>>> little. If I were >>>> you, and taking your budget into consideration, this is my >>>> personal >>>> recommendation: >>>> >>>> 1. Take Justin's suggestion and go straight to the director >>>> of that field >>>> office. It's not your job to ease this counselor into >>>> her new position. >>>> Your first priority is getting what you need to be ready >>>> for school. Put >>>> your communications to the director in writing. Say >>>> in your first e-mail >>>> that you will follow up via telephone in a few days to talk >>>> about what can >>>> be done. Later, after your phone call, send another >>>> e-mail summarizing what >>>> was talked about. Always keep a written record of >>>> your communications. In >>>> the letter you should give a brief summary of the events to >>>> this point, but >>>> I would spend more time listing the equipment you need and >>>> a good >>>> justification for why you need them. This may >>>> somewhat minimize the need >>>> for an assessment if you can give concrete reasons for why >>>> the products are >>>> required. Also, rank your products in order of most >>>> important. The Victor >>>> Stream, for example, may be a necessity, but it could >>>> probably go near or at >>>> the bottom since your top priority is the ability to take >>>> notes in class. >>>> >>>> 2. Locate the individual or office that handles technology >>>> assessments. The >>>> more people you have inquiring into your case, the better, >>>> and even if they >>>> say they need to hear from your counselor, when your >>>> counselor calls the >>>> people will be familiar with you and have more of an >>>> incentive to act. >>>> >>>> 3. Talk to your NFB affiliate president. He or she >>>> may know of someone >>>> working in the agency who can look into your case. >>>> The affiliate should >>>> also prove to be a good advocate on your behalf. >>>> >>>> 4. Locate your nearest Lions Club. They may be able >>>> to step in and help >>>> with the cost of a netbook. If you can get that, you >>>> can use one of the >>>> free or reasonably priced screen readers while you wait for >>>> your other >>>> technology to arrive. The main thing is to get you >>>> something for the first >>>> day of class, and I think your Lions Club or Rotary Club >>>> should be able to >>>> generate $300 on your behalf. >>>> >>>> This is, at least, a start. I'm in a bit of a rush >>>> but can offer more later >>>> if you're still in a bind. Hopefully others will >>>> chime in as well. >>>> >>>> Best of luck, >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up >>>> their sleeves, >>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at >>>> all."--Sam Ewing >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>> On Behalf Of Jewel S. >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM >>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. >>>> I begin >>>> classes August 16, and have been working toward getting >>>> some needed >>>> equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a >>>> refreshable >>>> Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette >>>> embosser, a >>>> scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury >>>> (spelling?), and JAWS >>>> for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my >>>> side to get >>>> this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned >>>> recently to a >>>> new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first >>>> position). >>>> She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let >>>> alone how >>>> to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for >>>> review of >>>> my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with >>>> that >>>> information, despite him having stated that I needed an >>>> assessment >>>> with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I >>>> asked him what >>>> the next step was again that he said that my counselor >>>> should have set >>>> up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, >>>> he had >>>> said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I >>>> needed to >>>> just wait for the referral to go through). >>>> >>>> Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the >>>> referral done, the >>>> paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At >>>> first, they >>>> told me it would take two to three weeks to get the >>>> equipment. Then >>>> they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take >>>> up to two >>>> months! >>>> >>>> Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the >>>> equipment I >>>> need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than >>>> getting a >>>> notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my >>>> slate and >>>> stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate >>>> for a few >>>> lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very >>>> badly, so I >>>> don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have >>>> a voice >>>> recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds >>>> to purchase >>>> one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). >>>> >>>> I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my >>>> equipment >>>> comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to >>>> mean that >>>> I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has >>>> suggested places >>>> to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it >>>> also. When I >>>> asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop >>>> promised me >>>> by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the >>>> laptop I would >>>> purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if >>>> it's used, how >>>> can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for >>>> such a >>>> laptop? >>>> >>>> Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? >>>> SWhat should >>>> I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, >>>> who should I >>>> bring this up with? >>>> >>>> As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a >>>> way to record >>>> the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or >>>> complete >>>> worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on >>>> other >>>> students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and >>>> will not be >>>> able to participate when the class reads the books. I might >>>> as well >>>> not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From >>>> what DSB is >>>> telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before >>>> I get any >>>> of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a >>>> reasonable >>>> accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes >>>> and wait >>>> until next semester? I will not be able to participate >>>> appropriately >>>> in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be >>>> drastically >>>> effected by this. >>>> >>>> Any advice, please? >>>> >>>> Yours, >>>> Jewel Shuping >>>> Wake Tech Community College >>>> Raleigh, NC >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>> account >>>> info for nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>>> %40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>> account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/william.odonnell1%40yahoo.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Arielle Silverman >> President, National Association of Blind Students >> Phone: 602-502-2255 >> Email: >> nabs.president at gmail.com >> Website: >> www.nabslink.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Fri Jul 23 18:28:00 2010 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:28:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Navigating Festivals Message-ID: Hi All! I have a few questions about going to/navigating large, loud festivals as a blind person. There is a festival going on here called Mountain Fest. It is a festival for motor cyclists/bikers but it is also a regular festival with live music, food, games, contests, socialization, and people. I am not really into biking/motor cycling, but I really want to go for the food, socialization, music, people, and just to get out of the house. However, I as of yet can not find anyone to go with me. So, I was wondering...what is the best way to do this as a blind person? The festival is at a huge park called Milan Park. From what I've read, Milan Park has a huge huge hill which is very hard to walk up. The food and live music are at the bottom of the hill and it will be very crowded and there isn't much space to really sit anywhere. However, after you get the food you want, you can take a shuttle bus up to the top of the hill to a place called the Coal Bucket Saloon where they have drinks (I'm assuming both alcahol and non-alcahol) and there is more room to sit. So, unfortunately, as you can see this is not just a little thing where you can just walk around everywhere...I guess you have to get your food, then take the bus to the top of the hill. However, from what I've been told the food is very good...they have funnel cake, turkey legs, and this pork barbeque where you can get three different types of barbeque sauce on it...and who knows what else...that's just like two items of many. Also, I don't know if this is at the top or the bottom of the hill, but they have a stage for the live music, several motor cycle shows, tents where sponsors for the festival are set up, a kids corner, a vendor mall (I'm assuming sort of like the exhibit hall) where they will be selling motor cycle stuff, as well as Mountain Fest T-shirts and merchandise. I don't know where all the food vendors are but I know that there are several...all I know is the food is at the bottom of the hill and the Coal Bucket Saloon which has places to sit is at the top and you have to take a shuttle bus to get up to it. Should I just walk around and ask every person I hear for assistance/to point me in the right direction? The festival does have a website with contact info and Milan Park has a phone number...should I call ahead? If so, what should I tell them? Is it possible/proper for someone to assist me to get food and tell me what all the food vendors are and help me to the Coal Bucket Saloon to a seat? Then, I figure if I want more food or to go back down to the bottom of the hill I can figure it out or ask. I know there will be many people around...but I know many of them will be drinking. It will also be very loud. Are people at festivals usually nice? What about bikers? If I can not find anybody to go with, should I just not go? I know not going would be easier, but I have missed out on a couple of events that have gone on here in the past couple of months because of just not going. Is anyone on the list from Morgantown, W.VA or familiar with it, Mountain Fest, or Milan Park? I'd really like to go to this...even just for a couple of hours. Thanks for all info/help you can give! Kerri From brileyp at gmail.com Fri Jul 23 18:28:46 2010 From: brileyp at gmail.com (Briley Pollard) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 13:28:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi again, This resource is long, but really highlights Voc Rehab's responsibilities with specific RSA situations. This should help you a great deal. http://www.nls.org/vrron.htm Briley On Jul 23, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Jewel S. wrote: > This is my feelings also. I do not think the refreshable Braille > display is a luxury, but an essential tool for my learning. I am a > visual and tactile learner, and have a lot of trouble learning by > audio teaching only. I often have to re-read what JAWS has read to me > several times, and have to rewind audio books if I have the least > distraction (such as someone making a comment to me or the radio or tv > or pretty much any background noise can distract me). > > A quick update. They want to do an accessment (laptop or PDA). I'm > going to ask about justifying just getting the laptop, as I think > it'll be the easiest way to go (more compatibility with programs, more > connection with other students, less expensive for DSB, more versatile > in future programs that I purchase). The supervisor was not in today; > I will speak to him on Monday and get this all straightened out. > > ~Jewel > > On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I just wanted to offer that I don't agree that a Braille display is a >> "luxury", and that you shouldn't push for Voc Rehab to provide it. Is having >> print a "luxury", for sighted students? No. If Braille is your preferred >> reading medium, you shouldn't be forced to just get by with only audio if >> that is not how you best learn. They would never send a sighted student off >> to college and say, "Good luck getting by with no print books." Voc Rehab >> can provide this for you, and moving up the chain of command will achieve >> the quickest results. Every regional office has specific complaint >> procedures which you can request in writing from your councilor's manager. >> >> Just my thoughts, >> Briley >> On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> >>> Hi Jewel and all, >>> >>> This is an old story that I've heard way too many times from students. >>> Your counselor's actions (or non-actions) are ridiculous and >>> definitely need to be addressed with her supervisor(s). In the >>> meantime, though, I think it's important to come up with a plan B that >>> doesn't involve DSB at all, at least while you're waiting. A few >>> ideas: >>> >>> 1. With rehab, I'd focus on getting the computer and scanner. The >>> refreshable Braille display and embosser are nice, but they're >>> luxuries, not necessities, in my opinion. Asking for just a couple >>> pieces of equipment rather than the whole gamut may be less >>> complicated/bureaucratic. >>> 2. Does your school have an office for blind/disabled students? If so >>> they very well might have equipment for loan, like computers, and they >>> should have public-access scanners that you can walk in and use. If >>> not, find out if there's anywhere else on campus (like the bookstore >>> or library) where you can borrow or rent a computer for low or no >>> cost. Perhaps family members or friends might have extra computers you >>> can borrow? Once you have the computer, you should be able to download >>> a free open-source screen reader to use with it. >>> 2. The NFB has a technology loan program and your NFB affiliate might >>> have one too. Call the NFB Braille and Technology Center at >>> 410-659-9314 for details. Of course borrowing equipment for free is >>> better than racking up interest, but it could be a last-resort, >>> temporary option. >>> 3. If you can't get a portable computer, see if any of the public >>> computers on your campus are accessible (all Mac's are out of the >>> box). What you may need to do in a pinch is use a voice recorder in >>> class and then use the public computer for assignments. >>> 4. Remember that >>> www.rfbd.org >>> provides books in audio format, and >>> www.bookshare.org >>> provides books for free in a text format that you can read on a >>> regular computer (either the public computer or a rented one). >>> 5. Don't forget that readers are low-tech and relatively cheap >>> (usually $7 per hour) and if your school has a community service club, >>> you might be able to find volunteer readers. If rehab is >>> uncooperative, your school (either the disability resource center or >>> the department of your major) may be willing to help pay for readers, >>> at least initially while you wait for equipment. >>> >>> In short, while you should definitely nag rehab to get you what you >>> need (especially the laptop, scanner, and perhaps an audio book player >>> like a Stream), rehab isn't, and shouldn't be, your only option. I >>> think the only piece of equipment that's really mission-critical is a >>> computer, and that can be either a personal computer or a public >>> computer. Even your local public library might have a public computer >>> you can use. I'd recommend staying in your classes if at all possible. >>> Textbooks can be read with readers (readers can even be students in >>> your classes, who have to read the books anyway), or with a public >>> scanner (which might be available in the library or DRC). >>> >>> Best of luck and please keep us posted on your progress. >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 7/22/10, William ODonnell wrote: >>>> I would have to say that I agree with Joe on many of the points he has >>>> made. >>>> Also, keep some things “off record” with your councilor. I am referring >>>> to >>>> the suggestions of you purchasing a net book that you provided in your >>>> email. Remember the following approach: don’t ask, don’t tell or do not >>>> give any additional information than requested. >>>> In addition, always copy a supervisor when you’re documenting so the >>>> context >>>> of what you discuss is not altered or misrepresented at a later date. >>>> Finally, investigate whether or not your local independent living center >>>> has >>>> advocates that will speak on your behalf. >>>> Note: some colleges and universities have laptops or net books that >>>> disabled >>>> students can reserve from there DSS office for use during class. In >>>> regard >>>> to readers or reading services, some organizations for the blind as well >>>> as >>>> community centers have people from the community who volunteer who may >>>> assist you. In addition, check with your college or university to see if >>>> you can post an add requesting for volunteers to assist you when time is >>>> of >>>> the essence and your accommodations/equipment is not available. I say >>>> the >>>> following since it is a reality. Note: I do not want to discourage or >>>> scare >>>> you; however, throughout your college career, you will learn and see that >>>> you will need to liquidate all avenues since many times you will >>>> experience >>>> faulty services and accommodations while meeting important deadlines as >>>> any >>>> other student. You will need to be strong and always be your own >>>> advocate >>>> while never losing focus with your agenda. >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Joe Orozco wrote: >>>> >>>>> From: Joe Orozco >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>> >>>>> Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:30 AM >>>>> Hi Jewel, >>>>> >>>>> I see online that North Carolina just started a new fiscal >>>>> year. This is >>>>> bad, because this is when agencies can afford to lapse a >>>>> little. If I were >>>>> you, and taking your budget into consideration, this is my >>>>> personal >>>>> recommendation: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Take Justin's suggestion and go straight to the director >>>>> of that field >>>>> office. It's not your job to ease this counselor into >>>>> her new position. >>>>> Your first priority is getting what you need to be ready >>>>> for school. Put >>>>> your communications to the director in writing. Say >>>>> in your first e-mail >>>>> that you will follow up via telephone in a few days to talk >>>>> about what can >>>>> be done. Later, after your phone call, send another >>>>> e-mail summarizing what >>>>> was talked about. Always keep a written record of >>>>> your communications. In >>>>> the letter you should give a brief summary of the events to >>>>> this point, but >>>>> I would spend more time listing the equipment you need and >>>>> a good >>>>> justification for why you need them. This may >>>>> somewhat minimize the need >>>>> for an assessment if you can give concrete reasons for why >>>>> the products are >>>>> required. Also, rank your products in order of most >>>>> important. The Victor >>>>> Stream, for example, may be a necessity, but it could >>>>> probably go near or at >>>>> the bottom since your top priority is the ability to take >>>>> notes in class. >>>>> >>>>> 2. Locate the individual or office that handles technology >>>>> assessments. The >>>>> more people you have inquiring into your case, the better, >>>>> and even if they >>>>> say they need to hear from your counselor, when your >>>>> counselor calls the >>>>> people will be familiar with you and have more of an >>>>> incentive to act. >>>>> >>>>> 3. Talk to your NFB affiliate president. He or she >>>>> may know of someone >>>>> working in the agency who can look into your case. >>>>> The affiliate should >>>>> also prove to be a good advocate on your behalf. >>>>> >>>>> 4. Locate your nearest Lions Club. They may be able >>>>> to step in and help >>>>> with the cost of a netbook. If you can get that, you >>>>> can use one of the >>>>> free or reasonably priced screen readers while you wait for >>>>> your other >>>>> technology to arrive. The main thing is to get you >>>>> something for the first >>>>> day of class, and I think your Lions Club or Rotary Club >>>>> should be able to >>>>> generate $300 on your behalf. >>>>> >>>>> This is, at least, a start. I'm in a bit of a rush >>>>> but can offer more later >>>>> if you're still in a bind. Hopefully others will >>>>> chime in as well. >>>>> >>>>> Best of luck, >>>>> >>>>> Joe >>>>> >>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up >>>>> their sleeves, >>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at >>>>> all."--Sam Ewing >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>> On Behalf Of Jewel S. >>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM >>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. >>>>> I begin >>>>> classes August 16, and have been working toward getting >>>>> some needed >>>>> equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a >>>>> refreshable >>>>> Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette >>>>> embosser, a >>>>> scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury >>>>> (spelling?), and JAWS >>>>> for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my >>>>> side to get >>>>> this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned >>>>> recently to a >>>>> new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first >>>>> position). >>>>> She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let >>>>> alone how >>>>> to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for >>>>> review of >>>>> my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with >>>>> that >>>>> information, despite him having stated that I needed an >>>>> assessment >>>>> with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I >>>>> asked him what >>>>> the next step was again that he said that my counselor >>>>> should have set >>>>> up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, >>>>> he had >>>>> said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I >>>>> needed to >>>>> just wait for the referral to go through). >>>>> >>>>> Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the >>>>> referral done, the >>>>> paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At >>>>> first, they >>>>> told me it would take two to three weeks to get the >>>>> equipment. Then >>>>> they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take >>>>> up to two >>>>> months! >>>>> >>>>> Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the >>>>> equipment I >>>>> need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than >>>>> getting a >>>>> notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my >>>>> slate and >>>>> stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate >>>>> for a few >>>>> lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very >>>>> badly, so I >>>>> don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have >>>>> a voice >>>>> recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds >>>>> to purchase >>>>> one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). >>>>> >>>>> I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my >>>>> equipment >>>>> comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to >>>>> mean that >>>>> I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has >>>>> suggested places >>>>> to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it >>>>> also. When I >>>>> asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop >>>>> promised me >>>>> by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the >>>>> laptop I would >>>>> purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if >>>>> it's used, how >>>>> can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for >>>>> such a >>>>> laptop? >>>>> >>>>> Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? >>>>> SWhat should >>>>> I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, >>>>> who should I >>>>> bring this up with? >>>>> >>>>> As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a >>>>> way to record >>>>> the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or >>>>> complete >>>>> worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on >>>>> other >>>>> students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and >>>>> will not be >>>>> able to participate when the class reads the books. I might >>>>> as well >>>>> not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From >>>>> what DSB is >>>>> telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before >>>>> I get any >>>>> of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a >>>>> reasonable >>>>> accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes >>>>> and wait >>>>> until next semester? I will not be able to participate >>>>> appropriately >>>>> in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be >>>>> drastically >>>>> effected by this. >>>>> >>>>> Any advice, please? >>>>> >>>>> Yours, >>>>> Jewel Shuping >>>>> Wake Tech Community College >>>>> Raleigh, NC >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>> account >>>>> info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>> account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/william.odonnell1%40yahoo.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Arielle Silverman >>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>> Phone: 602-502-2255 >>> Email: >>> nabs.president at gmail.com >>> Website: >>> www.nabslink.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com From jty727 at gmail.com Fri Jul 23 18:36:29 2010 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 14:36:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible digital recorders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ashley, For many years now I've used a Digital Voice Recorder which is made by Olympus. I bought from BestBuy for $199.99. It records in .wma format and has a built in USB thing like a flash drive which allows you to put your files recorded on a computer. I believe its the WM311 or something like that. Hope this helps Justin On 7/23/10, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > I'm looking into getting a digital recorder to record notes such as phone > numbers at meetings and lectures. I am already aware that the VR stream and > other blindness made notetakers have digital recording capability. But I am > seeking a recorder that is small, light weight, durable, picks up audio at a > range, and can organize notes by folders. I'd like something to fit in my > purse so I don't have to carry around an extra bag although I do anyway to > put my Braille Note in and other matterials from lectures if on campus. > The problem with the Braille Note recording is it records in .WAV files and > those are huge so you cannot fit many notes on a flash card. > > So what do you recommend? Which recorders are > accessible or semi accessible? Some have beeps as you move around so you > don't have to see the screen. > If its not fully accessible which parts are? > What is the voice range? I mean in a quiet room can it pick up a speaker's > voice from several feet away? > Does it have the capability to hook up to a computer and convert the notes > to MP3s, upload to the internet or do other things with it? > > I'm thinking of getting this at Radio Shack or Best buy. > > Thanks! > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Fri Jul 23 21:39:44 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:39:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you for this resource. I wil lread it; it looks good. I can quote it in my complaints, I'm sure. ~Jewel On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: > Hi again, > > This resource is long, but really highlights Voc Rehab's responsibilities > with specific RSA situations. This should help you a great deal. > > http://www.nls.org/vrron.htm > > Briley > On Jul 23, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Jewel S. wrote: > >> This is my feelings also. I do not think the refreshable Braille >> display is a luxury, but an essential tool for my learning. I am a >> visual and tactile learner, and have a lot of trouble learning by >> audio teaching only. I often have to re-read what JAWS has read to me >> several times, and have to rewind audio books if I have the least >> distraction (such as someone making a comment to me or the radio or tv >> or pretty much any background noise can distract me). >> >> A quick update. They want to do an accessment (laptop or PDA). I'm >> going to ask about justifying just getting the laptop, as I think >> it'll be the easiest way to go (more compatibility with programs, more >> connection with other students, less expensive for DSB, more versatile >> in future programs that I purchase). The supervisor was not in today; >> I will speak to him on Monday and get this all straightened out. >> >> ~Jewel >> >> On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I just wanted to offer that I don't agree that a Braille display is a >>> "luxury", and that you shouldn't push for Voc Rehab to provide it. Is >>> having >>> print a "luxury", for sighted students? No. If Braille is your preferred >>> reading medium, you shouldn't be forced to just get by with only audio if >>> that is not how you best learn. They would never send a sighted student >>> off >>> to college and say, "Good luck getting by with no print books." Voc Rehab >>> can provide this for you, and moving up the chain of command will achieve >>> the quickest results. Every regional office has specific complaint >>> procedures which you can request in writing from your councilor's >>> manager. >>> >>> Just my thoughts, >>> Briley >>> On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Jewel and all, >>>> >>>> This is an old story that I've heard way too many times from students. >>>> Your counselor's actions (or non-actions) are ridiculous and >>>> definitely need to be addressed with her supervisor(s). In the >>>> meantime, though, I think it's important to come up with a plan B that >>>> doesn't involve DSB at all, at least while you're waiting. A few >>>> ideas: >>>> >>>> 1. With rehab, I'd focus on getting the computer and scanner. The >>>> refreshable Braille display and embosser are nice, but they're >>>> luxuries, not necessities, in my opinion. Asking for just a couple >>>> pieces of equipment rather than the whole gamut may be less >>>> complicated/bureaucratic. >>>> 2. Does your school have an office for blind/disabled students? If so >>>> they very well might have equipment for loan, like computers, and they >>>> should have public-access scanners that you can walk in and use. If >>>> not, find out if there's anywhere else on campus (like the bookstore >>>> or library) where you can borrow or rent a computer for low or no >>>> cost. Perhaps family members or friends might have extra computers you >>>> can borrow? Once you have the computer, you should be able to download >>>> a free open-source screen reader to use with it. >>>> 2. The NFB has a technology loan program and your NFB affiliate might >>>> have one too. Call the NFB Braille and Technology Center at >>>> 410-659-9314 for details. Of course borrowing equipment for free is >>>> better than racking up interest, but it could be a last-resort, >>>> temporary option. >>>> 3. If you can't get a portable computer, see if any of the public >>>> computers on your campus are accessible (all Mac's are out of the >>>> box). What you may need to do in a pinch is use a voice recorder in >>>> class and then use the public computer for assignments. >>>> 4. Remember that >>>> www.rfbd.org >>>> provides books in audio format, and >>>> www.bookshare.org >>>> provides books for free in a text format that you can read on a >>>> regular computer (either the public computer or a rented one). >>>> 5. Don't forget that readers are low-tech and relatively cheap >>>> (usually $7 per hour) and if your school has a community service club, >>>> you might be able to find volunteer readers. If rehab is >>>> uncooperative, your school (either the disability resource center or >>>> the department of your major) may be willing to help pay for readers, >>>> at least initially while you wait for equipment. >>>> >>>> In short, while you should definitely nag rehab to get you what you >>>> need (especially the laptop, scanner, and perhaps an audio book player >>>> like a Stream), rehab isn't, and shouldn't be, your only option. I >>>> think the only piece of equipment that's really mission-critical is a >>>> computer, and that can be either a personal computer or a public >>>> computer. Even your local public library might have a public computer >>>> you can use. I'd recommend staying in your classes if at all possible. >>>> Textbooks can be read with readers (readers can even be students in >>>> your classes, who have to read the books anyway), or with a public >>>> scanner (which might be available in the library or DRC). >>>> >>>> Best of luck and please keep us posted on your progress. >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>> On 7/22/10, William ODonnell wrote: >>>>> I would have to say that I agree with Joe on many of the points he has >>>>> made. >>>>> Also, keep some things “off record” with your councilor. I am >>>>> referring >>>>> to >>>>> the suggestions of you purchasing a net book that you provided in your >>>>> email. Remember the following approach: don’t ask, don’t tell or do >>>>> not >>>>> give any additional information than requested. >>>>> In addition, always copy a supervisor when you’re documenting so the >>>>> context >>>>> of what you discuss is not altered or misrepresented at a later date. >>>>> Finally, investigate whether or not your local independent living >>>>> center >>>>> has >>>>> advocates that will speak on your behalf. >>>>> Note: some colleges and universities have laptops or net books that >>>>> disabled >>>>> students can reserve from there DSS office for use during class. In >>>>> regard >>>>> to readers or reading services, some organizations for the blind as >>>>> well >>>>> as >>>>> community centers have people from the community who volunteer who may >>>>> assist you. In addition, check with your college or university to see >>>>> if >>>>> you can post an add requesting for volunteers to assist you when time >>>>> is >>>>> of >>>>> the essence and your accommodations/equipment is not available. I say >>>>> the >>>>> following since it is a reality. Note: I do not want to discourage or >>>>> scare >>>>> you; however, throughout your college career, you will learn and see >>>>> that >>>>> you will need to liquidate all avenues since many times you will >>>>> experience >>>>> faulty services and accommodations while meeting important deadlines as >>>>> any >>>>> other student. You will need to be strong and always be your own >>>>> advocate >>>>> while never losing focus with your agenda. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Joe Orozco wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> From: Joe Orozco >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>> >>>>>> Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:30 AM >>>>>> Hi Jewel, >>>>>> >>>>>> I see online that North Carolina just started a new fiscal >>>>>> year. This is >>>>>> bad, because this is when agencies can afford to lapse a >>>>>> little. If I were >>>>>> you, and taking your budget into consideration, this is my >>>>>> personal >>>>>> recommendation: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Take Justin's suggestion and go straight to the director >>>>>> of that field >>>>>> office. It's not your job to ease this counselor into >>>>>> her new position. >>>>>> Your first priority is getting what you need to be ready >>>>>> for school. Put >>>>>> your communications to the director in writing. Say >>>>>> in your first e-mail >>>>>> that you will follow up via telephone in a few days to talk >>>>>> about what can >>>>>> be done. Later, after your phone call, send another >>>>>> e-mail summarizing what >>>>>> was talked about. Always keep a written record of >>>>>> your communications. In >>>>>> the letter you should give a brief summary of the events to >>>>>> this point, but >>>>>> I would spend more time listing the equipment you need and >>>>>> a good >>>>>> justification for why you need them. This may >>>>>> somewhat minimize the need >>>>>> for an assessment if you can give concrete reasons for why >>>>>> the products are >>>>>> required. Also, rank your products in order of most >>>>>> important. The Victor >>>>>> Stream, for example, may be a necessity, but it could >>>>>> probably go near or at >>>>>> the bottom since your top priority is the ability to take >>>>>> notes in class. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Locate the individual or office that handles technology >>>>>> assessments. The >>>>>> more people you have inquiring into your case, the better, >>>>>> and even if they >>>>>> say they need to hear from your counselor, when your >>>>>> counselor calls the >>>>>> people will be familiar with you and have more of an >>>>>> incentive to act. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. Talk to your NFB affiliate president. He or she >>>>>> may know of someone >>>>>> working in the agency who can look into your case. >>>>>> The affiliate should >>>>>> also prove to be a good advocate on your behalf. >>>>>> >>>>>> 4. Locate your nearest Lions Club. They may be able >>>>>> to step in and help >>>>>> with the cost of a netbook. If you can get that, you >>>>>> can use one of the >>>>>> free or reasonably priced screen readers while you wait for >>>>>> your other >>>>>> technology to arrive. The main thing is to get you >>>>>> something for the first >>>>>> day of class, and I think your Lions Club or Rotary Club >>>>>> should be able to >>>>>> generate $300 on your behalf. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is, at least, a start. I'm in a bit of a rush >>>>>> but can offer more later >>>>>> if you're still in a bind. Hopefully others will >>>>>> chime in as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best of luck, >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe >>>>>> >>>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up >>>>>> their sleeves, >>>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at >>>>>> all."--Sam Ewing >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>> >>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>>> On Behalf Of Jewel S. >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM >>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. >>>>>> I begin >>>>>> classes August 16, and have been working toward getting >>>>>> some needed >>>>>> equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a >>>>>> refreshable >>>>>> Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette >>>>>> embosser, a >>>>>> scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury >>>>>> (spelling?), and JAWS >>>>>> for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my >>>>>> side to get >>>>>> this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned >>>>>> recently to a >>>>>> new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first >>>>>> position). >>>>>> She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let >>>>>> alone how >>>>>> to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for >>>>>> review of >>>>>> my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with >>>>>> that >>>>>> information, despite him having stated that I needed an >>>>>> assessment >>>>>> with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I >>>>>> asked him what >>>>>> the next step was again that he said that my counselor >>>>>> should have set >>>>>> up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, >>>>>> he had >>>>>> said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I >>>>>> needed to >>>>>> just wait for the referral to go through). >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the >>>>>> referral done, the >>>>>> paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At >>>>>> first, they >>>>>> told me it would take two to three weeks to get the >>>>>> equipment. Then >>>>>> they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take >>>>>> up to two >>>>>> months! >>>>>> >>>>>> Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the >>>>>> equipment I >>>>>> need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than >>>>>> getting a >>>>>> notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my >>>>>> slate and >>>>>> stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate >>>>>> for a few >>>>>> lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very >>>>>> badly, so I >>>>>> don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have >>>>>> a voice >>>>>> recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds >>>>>> to purchase >>>>>> one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). >>>>>> >>>>>> I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my >>>>>> equipment >>>>>> comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to >>>>>> mean that >>>>>> I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has >>>>>> suggested places >>>>>> to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it >>>>>> also. When I >>>>>> asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop >>>>>> promised me >>>>>> by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the >>>>>> laptop I would >>>>>> purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if >>>>>> it's used, how >>>>>> can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for >>>>>> such a >>>>>> laptop? >>>>>> >>>>>> Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? >>>>>> SWhat should >>>>>> I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, >>>>>> who should I >>>>>> bring this up with? >>>>>> >>>>>> As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a >>>>>> way to record >>>>>> the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or >>>>>> complete >>>>>> worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on >>>>>> other >>>>>> students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and >>>>>> will not be >>>>>> able to participate when the class reads the books. I might >>>>>> as well >>>>>> not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From >>>>>> what DSB is >>>>>> telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before >>>>>> I get any >>>>>> of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a >>>>>> reasonable >>>>>> accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes >>>>>> and wait >>>>>> until next semester? I will not be able to participate >>>>>> appropriately >>>>>> in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be >>>>>> drastically >>>>>> effected by this. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any advice, please? >>>>>> >>>>>> Yours, >>>>>> Jewel Shuping >>>>>> Wake Tech Community College >>>>>> Raleigh, NC >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>>> account >>>>>> info for nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>>> account info for nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/william.odonnell1%40yahoo.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Arielle Silverman >>>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>>> Phone: 602-502-2255 >>>> Email: >>>> nabs.president at gmail.com >>>> Website: >>>> www.nabslink.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Jul 23 22:37:42 2010 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:37:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible digital recorders References: Message-ID: Justin, I've heard other good things about the Olympus models. Will your Olympus record from a short distance such as ten feet and still pick up a speaker's voice if the room is quiet? I'm wondering how good it will do in a meeting or lecture if I'm in the front row. Was there enough auditory feedback to move from folder to folder and erase notes? Thanks. Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin Young" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible digital recorders > Hi Ashley, > For many years now I've used a Digital Voice Recorder which is made by > Olympus. I bought from BestBuy for $199.99. It records in .wma > format and has a built in USB thing like a flash drive which allows > you to put your files recorded on a computer. I believe its the WM311 > or something like that. > Hope this helps > Justin > > On 7/23/10, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >> I'm looking into getting a digital recorder to record notes such as phone >> numbers at meetings and lectures. I am already aware that the VR stream >> and >> other blindness made notetakers have digital recording capability. But I >> am >> seeking a recorder that is small, light weight, durable, picks up audio >> at a >> range, and can organize notes by folders. I'd like something to fit in >> my >> purse so I don't have to carry around an extra bag although I do anyway >> to >> put my Braille Note in and other matterials from lectures if on campus. >> The problem with the Braille Note recording is it records in .WAV files >> and >> those are huge so you cannot fit many notes on a flash card. >> >> So what do you recommend? Which recorders are >> accessible or semi accessible? Some have beeps as you move around so you >> don't have to see the screen. >> If its not fully accessible which parts are? >> What is the voice range? I mean in a quiet room can it pick up a >> speaker's >> voice from several feet away? >> Does it have the capability to hook up to a computer and convert the >> notes >> to MP3s, upload to the internet or do other things with it? >> >> I'm thinking of getting this at Radio Shack or Best buy. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Jul 23 22:58:47 2010 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:58:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Navigating Festivals References: Message-ID: <6D3B254F8B0940EBADAAC3A76899D994@Ashley> Hi Kerri, I think something like this would be more enjoyable with a friend. But if you still think you'd enjoy yourself alone, then go. I've not done something like this alone yet. I'd treat it though like any large area with crowds for mobility. You said there is a website for the festival. I'd look up on line for the information. What types of food? What type of music? Particular music you may want to listen to? This way you can go at a time when you'll get what you want. Generally festivals don't have performers all the time so planning ahead would allow you to get what you want from it. Yes I'd call ahead if it were me. I'd ask them about the setup such as where the different vendors are. You said " Is it possible/proper for someone to assist me to get food and tell me what all the food vendors are and help me to the Coal Bucket Saloon to a seat? Then, I figure if I want more food or to go back down to the> bottom of the hill I can figure it out or ask." In my opinion this is fine and certainly reasonable. This is a large place that is crowded and you don't want to inconvenience yourself or others by constantly asking where is the pizza stand? Is this the right way and is this the right line? If it were me I'd request assistance. Typically Kerri festivals have volunteers or information tables. Go to one of these tables and ask for assistance. Then you can walk with them to the food vendor areas and they can tell you what all the food vendors are and read you the options and pricing. Then yes they could direct you to a seat. If you ask for assistance and they cannot help you because they're too busy manning the table or something, use your sense of smell to locate the food area. Then ask someone where the appropriate line is for your food of choice. I think if you're going alone its best to have as much information as possible before hand. You can't walk around and explore what is there easily in a crowded area. Auditory sounds will not be as reliable in a crowd. But if you know what you want to do ahead of time, you can ask the appropriate questions and get there. Good luck. Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerri Kosten" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:28 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Navigating Festivals > Hi All! > > I have a few questions about going to/navigating large, loud festivals > as a blind person. > > There is a festival going on here called Mountain Fest. It is a > festival for motor cyclists/bikers but it is also a regular festival > with live music, food, games, contests, socialization, and people. I > am not really into biking/motor cycling, but I really want to go for > the food, socialization, music, people, and just to get out of the > house. However, I as of yet can not find anyone to go with me. So, I > was wondering...what is the best way to do this as a blind person? > > The festival is at a huge park called Milan Park. From what I've read, > Milan Park has a huge huge hill which is very hard to walk up. The > food and live music are at the bottom of the hill and it will be very > crowded and there isn't much space to really sit anywhere. However, > after you get the food you want, you can take a shuttle bus up to the > top of the hill to a place called the Coal Bucket Saloon where they > have drinks (I'm assuming both alcahol and non-alcahol) and there is > more room to sit. So, unfortunately, as you can see this is not just a > little thing where you can just walk around everywhere...I guess you > have to get your food, then take the bus to the top of the hill. > However, from what I've been told the food is very good...they have > funnel cake, turkey legs, and this pork barbeque where you can get > three different types of barbeque sauce on it...and who knows what > else...that's just like two items of many. > > Also, I don't know if this is at the top or the bottom of the hill, > but they have a stage for the live music, several motor cycle shows, > tents where sponsors for the festival are set up, a kids corner, a > vendor mall (I'm assuming sort of like the exhibit hall) where they > will be selling motor cycle stuff, as well as Mountain Fest T-shirts > and merchandise. I don't know where all the food vendors are but I > know that there are several...all I know is the food is at the bottom > of the hill and the Coal Bucket Saloon which has places to sit is at > the top and you have to take a shuttle bus to get up to it. > > Should I just walk around and ask every person I hear for > assistance/to point me in the right direction? > > The festival does have a website with contact info and Milan Park has > a phone number...should I call ahead? If so, what should I tell them? > Is it possible/proper for someone to assist me to get food and tell me > what all the food vendors are and help me to the Coal Bucket Saloon to > a seat? Then, I figure if I want more food or to go back down to the > bottom of the hill I can figure it out or ask. > > I know there will be many people around...but I know many of them will > be drinking. > > It will also be very loud. > > Are people at festivals usually nice? What about bikers? > > If I can not find anybody to go with, should I just not go? I know not > going would be easier, but I have missed out on a couple of events > that have gone on here in the past couple of months because of just > not going. > > Is anyone on the list from Morgantown, W.VA or familiar with it, > Mountain Fest, or Milan Park? > > I'd really like to go to this...even just for a couple of hours. > > > Thanks for all info/help you can give! > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > From jty727 at gmail.com Fri Jul 23 23:06:36 2010 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:06:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible digital recorders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've tested its range. It contans a sterio speaker which acks as mic when recording. I can say with my model you could be in the back even of a large auditorum and if all quiet you could hear the speaker as well if you were having a conversation with them and standing arms length away from them. I've had this one for about 2.5 years now and it is amazing. As for deleting its fine. I've not ever really gotten down the different folders, but I created folders for each course in terms of notes from classes that is what I can tell you. Hope this helps! Justin On 7/23/10, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Justin, > I've heard other good things about the Olympus models. Will your Olympus > record from a short distance such as ten feet and still pick up a speaker's > voice if the room is quiet? I'm wondering how good it will do in a meeting > or lecture if I'm in the front row. Was there enough auditory feedback to > move from folder to folder and erase notes? > > Thanks. > Ashley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Justin Young" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:36 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible digital recorders > > >> Hi Ashley, >> For many years now I've used a Digital Voice Recorder which is made by >> Olympus. I bought from BestBuy for $199.99. It records in .wma >> format and has a built in USB thing like a flash drive which allows >> you to put your files recorded on a computer. I believe its the WM311 >> or something like that. >> Hope this helps >> Justin >> >> On 7/23/10, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>> I'm looking into getting a digital recorder to record notes such as phone >>> numbers at meetings and lectures. I am already aware that the VR stream >>> and >>> other blindness made notetakers have digital recording capability. But I >>> >>> am >>> seeking a recorder that is small, light weight, durable, picks up audio >>> at a >>> range, and can organize notes by folders. I'd like something to fit in >>> my >>> purse so I don't have to carry around an extra bag although I do anyway >>> to >>> put my Braille Note in and other matterials from lectures if on campus. >>> The problem with the Braille Note recording is it records in .WAV files >>> and >>> those are huge so you cannot fit many notes on a flash card. >>> >>> So what do you recommend? Which recorders are >>> accessible or semi accessible? Some have beeps as you move around so you >>> don't have to see the screen. >>> If its not fully accessible which parts are? >>> What is the voice range? I mean in a quiet room can it pick up a >>> speaker's >>> voice from several feet away? >>> Does it have the capability to hook up to a computer and convert the >>> notes >>> to MP3s, upload to the internet or do other things with it? >>> >>> I'm thinking of getting this at Radio Shack or Best buy. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From kolby12091988 at gmail.com Fri Jul 23 23:34:08 2010 From: kolby12091988 at gmail.com (Kolby Garrison) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:34:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible digital recorders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009e01cb2abf$8cda7bc0$a68f7340$@com> Hello Ashley, I have the Olympus dm520, and I am very satisfied with it. It does all of the things that you are looking for. Kolby From jorgeapaez at mac.com Fri Jul 23 23:38:01 2010 From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:38:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] high quality recorders Message-ID: Hi All: I was wondering if anyone knew of a recorder that was accessible, and had very high quality. Something that can record both interview-style meetings, as well as classroom lectures. Thanks. Jorge From ignasicambra at gmail.com Fri Jul 23 23:44:28 2010 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:44:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] high quality recorders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you are going to record people speaking, you should really be OK with the Olympus models. They sound great for this kind of things. If you need to actually record high quality audio (live music etc) then it gets a little trickier, although there certainly is accessible equipment. On Jul 23, 2010, at 7:38 PM, Jorge Paez wrote: > Hi All: > I was wondering if anyone knew of a recorder that was accessible, and had very high quality. > Something that can record both interview-style meetings, as well as classroom lectures. > Thanks. > > > > Jorge > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From jsorozco at gmail.com Fri Jul 23 23:49:04 2010 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:49:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] high quality recorders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Olympus puts out high quality, accessible products. Joe "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Paez Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 7:38 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] high quality recorders Hi All: I was wondering if anyone knew of a recorder that was accessible, and had very high quality. Something that can record both interview-style meetings, as well as classroom lectures. Thanks. Jorge _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco %40gmail.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Sat Jul 24 04:30:02 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 22:30:02 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I think what I meant by "luxury" is the large Braille display that connects to a computer. While these are ideal, I think you can get almost the same degree of access with a portable Braille notetaker with a Braille display, such as a Braille Note or Pac Mate, and I believe portable notetakers are also cheaper than Braille display computer hookups. Jewel, I don't remember if you had requested both a Braille notetaker and a Braille display in your original equipment setup, but if you find yourself needing to negotiate, the Braille notetaker will give you lots of Braille functionality whether you choose to read your books on it or listen and take notes in Braille, as I do. Arielle On 7/23/10, Jewel S. wrote: > Thank you for this resource. I wil lread it; it looks good. I can > quote it in my complaints, I'm sure. > > ~Jewel > > On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >> Hi again, >> >> This resource is long, but really highlights Voc Rehab's responsibilities >> with specific RSA situations. This should help you a great deal. >> >> http://www.nls.org/vrron.htm >> >> Briley >> On Jul 23, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Jewel S. wrote: >> >>> This is my feelings also. I do not think the refreshable Braille >>> display is a luxury, but an essential tool for my learning. I am a >>> visual and tactile learner, and have a lot of trouble learning by >>> audio teaching only. I often have to re-read what JAWS has read to me >>> several times, and have to rewind audio books if I have the least >>> distraction (such as someone making a comment to me or the radio or tv >>> or pretty much any background noise can distract me). >>> >>> A quick update. They want to do an accessment (laptop or PDA). I'm >>> going to ask about justifying just getting the laptop, as I think >>> it'll be the easiest way to go (more compatibility with programs, more >>> connection with other students, less expensive for DSB, more versatile >>> in future programs that I purchase). The supervisor was not in today; >>> I will speak to him on Monday and get this all straightened out. >>> >>> ~Jewel >>> >>> On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I just wanted to offer that I don't agree that a Braille display is a >>>> "luxury", and that you shouldn't push for Voc Rehab to provide it. Is >>>> having >>>> print a "luxury", for sighted students? No. If Braille is your preferred >>>> reading medium, you shouldn't be forced to just get by with only audio >>>> if >>>> that is not how you best learn. They would never send a sighted student >>>> off >>>> to college and say, "Good luck getting by with no print books." Voc >>>> Rehab >>>> can provide this for you, and moving up the chain of command will >>>> achieve >>>> the quickest results. Every regional office has specific complaint >>>> procedures which you can request in writing from your councilor's >>>> manager. >>>> >>>> Just my thoughts, >>>> Briley >>>> On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Jewel and all, >>>>> >>>>> This is an old story that I've heard way too many times from students. >>>>> Your counselor's actions (or non-actions) are ridiculous and >>>>> definitely need to be addressed with her supervisor(s). In the >>>>> meantime, though, I think it's important to come up with a plan B that >>>>> doesn't involve DSB at all, at least while you're waiting. A few >>>>> ideas: >>>>> >>>>> 1. With rehab, I'd focus on getting the computer and scanner. The >>>>> refreshable Braille display and embosser are nice, but they're >>>>> luxuries, not necessities, in my opinion. Asking for just a couple >>>>> pieces of equipment rather than the whole gamut may be less >>>>> complicated/bureaucratic. >>>>> 2. Does your school have an office for blind/disabled students? If so >>>>> they very well might have equipment for loan, like computers, and they >>>>> should have public-access scanners that you can walk in and use. If >>>>> not, find out if there's anywhere else on campus (like the bookstore >>>>> or library) where you can borrow or rent a computer for low or no >>>>> cost. Perhaps family members or friends might have extra computers you >>>>> can borrow? Once you have the computer, you should be able to download >>>>> a free open-source screen reader to use with it. >>>>> 2. The NFB has a technology loan program and your NFB affiliate might >>>>> have one too. Call the NFB Braille and Technology Center at >>>>> 410-659-9314 for details. Of course borrowing equipment for free is >>>>> better than racking up interest, but it could be a last-resort, >>>>> temporary option. >>>>> 3. If you can't get a portable computer, see if any of the public >>>>> computers on your campus are accessible (all Mac's are out of the >>>>> box). What you may need to do in a pinch is use a voice recorder in >>>>> class and then use the public computer for assignments. >>>>> 4. Remember that >>>>> www.rfbd.org >>>>> provides books in audio format, and >>>>> www.bookshare.org >>>>> provides books for free in a text format that you can read on a >>>>> regular computer (either the public computer or a rented one). >>>>> 5. Don't forget that readers are low-tech and relatively cheap >>>>> (usually $7 per hour) and if your school has a community service club, >>>>> you might be able to find volunteer readers. If rehab is >>>>> uncooperative, your school (either the disability resource center or >>>>> the department of your major) may be willing to help pay for readers, >>>>> at least initially while you wait for equipment. >>>>> >>>>> In short, while you should definitely nag rehab to get you what you >>>>> need (especially the laptop, scanner, and perhaps an audio book player >>>>> like a Stream), rehab isn't, and shouldn't be, your only option. I >>>>> think the only piece of equipment that's really mission-critical is a >>>>> computer, and that can be either a personal computer or a public >>>>> computer. Even your local public library might have a public computer >>>>> you can use. I'd recommend staying in your classes if at all possible. >>>>> Textbooks can be read with readers (readers can even be students in >>>>> your classes, who have to read the books anyway), or with a public >>>>> scanner (which might be available in the library or DRC). >>>>> >>>>> Best of luck and please keep us posted on your progress. >>>>> Arielle >>>>> >>>>> On 7/22/10, William ODonnell wrote: >>>>>> I would have to say that I agree with Joe on many of the points he has >>>>>> made. >>>>>> Also, keep some things “off record” with your councilor. I am >>>>>> referring >>>>>> to >>>>>> the suggestions of you purchasing a net book that you provided in your >>>>>> email. Remember the following approach: don’t ask, don’t tell or do >>>>>> not >>>>>> give any additional information than requested. >>>>>> In addition, always copy a supervisor when you’re documenting so the >>>>>> context >>>>>> of what you discuss is not altered or misrepresented at a later date. >>>>>> Finally, investigate whether or not your local independent living >>>>>> center >>>>>> has >>>>>> advocates that will speak on your behalf. >>>>>> Note: some colleges and universities have laptops or net books that >>>>>> disabled >>>>>> students can reserve from there DSS office for use during class. In >>>>>> regard >>>>>> to readers or reading services, some organizations for the blind as >>>>>> well >>>>>> as >>>>>> community centers have people from the community who volunteer who may >>>>>> assist you. In addition, check with your college or university to see >>>>>> if >>>>>> you can post an add requesting for volunteers to assist you when time >>>>>> is >>>>>> of >>>>>> the essence and your accommodations/equipment is not available. I say >>>>>> the >>>>>> following since it is a reality. Note: I do not want to discourage or >>>>>> scare >>>>>> you; however, throughout your college career, you will learn and see >>>>>> that >>>>>> you will need to liquidate all avenues since many times you will >>>>>> experience >>>>>> faulty services and accommodations while meeting important deadlines >>>>>> as >>>>>> any >>>>>> other student. You will need to be strong and always be your own >>>>>> advocate >>>>>> while never losing focus with your agenda. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Joe Orozco wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Joe Orozco >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:30 AM >>>>>>> Hi Jewel, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I see online that North Carolina just started a new fiscal >>>>>>> year. This is >>>>>>> bad, because this is when agencies can afford to lapse a >>>>>>> little. If I were >>>>>>> you, and taking your budget into consideration, this is my >>>>>>> personal >>>>>>> recommendation: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Take Justin's suggestion and go straight to the director >>>>>>> of that field >>>>>>> office. It's not your job to ease this counselor into >>>>>>> her new position. >>>>>>> Your first priority is getting what you need to be ready >>>>>>> for school. Put >>>>>>> your communications to the director in writing. Say >>>>>>> in your first e-mail >>>>>>> that you will follow up via telephone in a few days to talk >>>>>>> about what can >>>>>>> be done. Later, after your phone call, send another >>>>>>> e-mail summarizing what >>>>>>> was talked about. Always keep a written record of >>>>>>> your communications. In >>>>>>> the letter you should give a brief summary of the events to >>>>>>> this point, but >>>>>>> I would spend more time listing the equipment you need and >>>>>>> a good >>>>>>> justification for why you need them. This may >>>>>>> somewhat minimize the need >>>>>>> for an assessment if you can give concrete reasons for why >>>>>>> the products are >>>>>>> required. Also, rank your products in order of most >>>>>>> important. The Victor >>>>>>> Stream, for example, may be a necessity, but it could >>>>>>> probably go near or at >>>>>>> the bottom since your top priority is the ability to take >>>>>>> notes in class. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. Locate the individual or office that handles technology >>>>>>> assessments. The >>>>>>> more people you have inquiring into your case, the better, >>>>>>> and even if they >>>>>>> say they need to hear from your counselor, when your >>>>>>> counselor calls the >>>>>>> people will be familiar with you and have more of an >>>>>>> incentive to act. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3. Talk to your NFB affiliate president. He or she >>>>>>> may know of someone >>>>>>> working in the agency who can look into your case. >>>>>>> The affiliate should >>>>>>> also prove to be a good advocate on your behalf. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 4. Locate your nearest Lions Club. They may be able >>>>>>> to step in and help >>>>>>> with the cost of a netbook. If you can get that, you >>>>>>> can use one of the >>>>>>> free or reasonably priced screen readers while you wait for >>>>>>> your other >>>>>>> technology to arrive. The main thing is to get you >>>>>>> something for the first >>>>>>> day of class, and I think your Lions Club or Rotary Club >>>>>>> should be able to >>>>>>> generate $300 on your behalf. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is, at least, a start. I'm in a bit of a rush >>>>>>> but can offer more later >>>>>>> if you're still in a bind. Hopefully others will >>>>>>> chime in as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best of luck, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joe >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up >>>>>>> their sleeves, >>>>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at >>>>>>> all."--Sam Ewing >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>>>> On Behalf Of Jewel S. >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM >>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. >>>>>>> I begin >>>>>>> classes August 16, and have been working toward getting >>>>>>> some needed >>>>>>> equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a >>>>>>> refreshable >>>>>>> Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette >>>>>>> embosser, a >>>>>>> scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury >>>>>>> (spelling?), and JAWS >>>>>>> for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my >>>>>>> side to get >>>>>>> this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned >>>>>>> recently to a >>>>>>> new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first >>>>>>> position). >>>>>>> She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let >>>>>>> alone how >>>>>>> to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for >>>>>>> review of >>>>>>> my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> information, despite him having stated that I needed an >>>>>>> assessment >>>>>>> with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I >>>>>>> asked him what >>>>>>> the next step was again that he said that my counselor >>>>>>> should have set >>>>>>> up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, >>>>>>> he had >>>>>>> said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I >>>>>>> needed to >>>>>>> just wait for the referral to go through). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the >>>>>>> referral done, the >>>>>>> paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At >>>>>>> first, they >>>>>>> told me it would take two to three weeks to get the >>>>>>> equipment. Then >>>>>>> they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take >>>>>>> up to two >>>>>>> months! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the >>>>>>> equipment I >>>>>>> need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than >>>>>>> getting a >>>>>>> notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my >>>>>>> slate and >>>>>>> stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate >>>>>>> for a few >>>>>>> lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very >>>>>>> badly, so I >>>>>>> don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have >>>>>>> a voice >>>>>>> recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds >>>>>>> to purchase >>>>>>> one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my >>>>>>> equipment >>>>>>> comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to >>>>>>> mean that >>>>>>> I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has >>>>>>> suggested places >>>>>>> to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it >>>>>>> also. When I >>>>>>> asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop >>>>>>> promised me >>>>>>> by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the >>>>>>> laptop I would >>>>>>> purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if >>>>>>> it's used, how >>>>>>> can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for >>>>>>> such a >>>>>>> laptop? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? >>>>>>> SWhat should >>>>>>> I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, >>>>>>> who should I >>>>>>> bring this up with? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a >>>>>>> way to record >>>>>>> the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or >>>>>>> complete >>>>>>> worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on >>>>>>> other >>>>>>> students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and >>>>>>> will not be >>>>>>> able to participate when the class reads the books. I might >>>>>>> as well >>>>>>> not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From >>>>>>> what DSB is >>>>>>> telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before >>>>>>> I get any >>>>>>> of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a >>>>>>> reasonable >>>>>>> accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes >>>>>>> and wait >>>>>>> until next semester? I will not be able to participate >>>>>>> appropriately >>>>>>> in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be >>>>>>> drastically >>>>>>> effected by this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any advice, please? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yours, >>>>>>> Jewel Shuping >>>>>>> Wake Tech Community College >>>>>>> Raleigh, NC >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>>>> account >>>>>>> info for nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>>>> account info for nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/william.odonnell1%40yahoo.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Arielle Silverman >>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>>>> Phone: 602-502-2255 >>>>> Email: >>>>> nabs.president at gmail.com >>>>> Website: >>>>> www.nabslink.org >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Sat Jul 24 15:10:20 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 11:10:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for that clarification. I requested either a Braille notetaker (such as the PacMate or BrailleNote) or a laptop with a refreshable Braille display. The person who did the initial assessment thought a laptop and refreshable Braille display would be a better set-up than a Braille notetaker for flexibility, ease of use, and usability with third-party programs such as my DaybyDay planning calendar. I agreed with this assessment, though if they gave me a Braille notetaker instead of the laptop-Braille display combination, I would not turn it down and would work with it I think about equally as well. My concern is that if I get a laptop, I must have a way to read my books and notes in Braille. The embosser will help with this, but putting my textbooks and notes all in hard-copy Braille is not feasible, I think, and a waste of paper. But I simply cannot listen to long segments of audio, especially when I'm supposed to be listening to the professor (I know I can read the book ahead of time, but in my Spanish class, at least, we will be doing a lot of reading aloud). I'm hoping to be on my way with getting this resolved Monday. It's really frustrating and I'm impatient about the weekend. I do appreciate everyone's input on this. It has given me many things to think about and some encouragement that I should be getting what I need for school. ~Jewel On 7/24/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > > I think what I meant by "luxury" is the large Braille display that > connects to a computer. While these are ideal, I think you can get > almost the same degree of access with a portable Braille notetaker > with a Braille display, such as a Braille Note or Pac Mate, and I > believe portable notetakers are also cheaper than Braille display > computer hookups. Jewel, I don't remember if you had requested both a > Braille notetaker and a Braille display in your original equipment > setup, but if you find yourself needing to negotiate, the Braille > notetaker will give you lots of Braille functionality whether you > choose to read your books on it or listen and take notes in Braille, > as I do. > > Arielle > > On 7/23/10, Jewel S. wrote: >> Thank you for this resource. I wil lread it; it looks good. I can >> quote it in my complaints, I'm sure. >> >> ~Jewel >> >> On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>> Hi again, >>> >>> This resource is long, but really highlights Voc Rehab's responsibilities >>> with specific RSA situations. This should help you a great deal. >>> >>> http://www.nls.org/vrron.htm >>> >>> Briley >>> On Jul 23, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Jewel S. wrote: >>> >>>> This is my feelings also. I do not think the refreshable Braille >>>> display is a luxury, but an essential tool for my learning. I am a >>>> visual and tactile learner, and have a lot of trouble learning by >>>> audio teaching only. I often have to re-read what JAWS has read to me >>>> several times, and have to rewind audio books if I have the least >>>> distraction (such as someone making a comment to me or the radio or tv >>>> or pretty much any background noise can distract me). >>>> >>>> A quick update. They want to do an accessment (laptop or PDA). I'm >>>> going to ask about justifying just getting the laptop, as I think >>>> it'll be the easiest way to go (more compatibility with programs, more >>>> connection with other students, less expensive for DSB, more versatile >>>> in future programs that I purchase). The supervisor was not in today; >>>> I will speak to him on Monday and get this all straightened out. >>>> >>>> ~Jewel >>>> >>>> On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I just wanted to offer that I don't agree that a Braille display is a >>>>> "luxury", and that you shouldn't push for Voc Rehab to provide it. Is >>>>> having >>>>> print a "luxury", for sighted students? No. If Braille is your >>>>> preferred >>>>> reading medium, you shouldn't be forced to just get by with only audio >>>>> if >>>>> that is not how you best learn. They would never send a sighted student >>>>> off >>>>> to college and say, "Good luck getting by with no print books." Voc >>>>> Rehab >>>>> can provide this for you, and moving up the chain of command will >>>>> achieve >>>>> the quickest results. Every regional office has specific complaint >>>>> procedures which you can request in writing from your councilor's >>>>> manager. >>>>> >>>>> Just my thoughts, >>>>> Briley >>>>> On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Jewel and all, >>>>>> >>>>>> This is an old story that I've heard way too many times from students. >>>>>> Your counselor's actions (or non-actions) are ridiculous and >>>>>> definitely need to be addressed with her supervisor(s). In the >>>>>> meantime, though, I think it's important to come up with a plan B that >>>>>> doesn't involve DSB at all, at least while you're waiting. A few >>>>>> ideas: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. With rehab, I'd focus on getting the computer and scanner. The >>>>>> refreshable Braille display and embosser are nice, but they're >>>>>> luxuries, not necessities, in my opinion. Asking for just a couple >>>>>> pieces of equipment rather than the whole gamut may be less >>>>>> complicated/bureaucratic. >>>>>> 2. Does your school have an office for blind/disabled students? If so >>>>>> they very well might have equipment for loan, like computers, and they >>>>>> should have public-access scanners that you can walk in and use. If >>>>>> not, find out if there's anywhere else on campus (like the bookstore >>>>>> or library) where you can borrow or rent a computer for low or no >>>>>> cost. Perhaps family members or friends might have extra computers you >>>>>> can borrow? Once you have the computer, you should be able to download >>>>>> a free open-source screen reader to use with it. >>>>>> 2. The NFB has a technology loan program and your NFB affiliate might >>>>>> have one too. Call the NFB Braille and Technology Center at >>>>>> 410-659-9314 for details. Of course borrowing equipment for free is >>>>>> better than racking up interest, but it could be a last-resort, >>>>>> temporary option. >>>>>> 3. If you can't get a portable computer, see if any of the public >>>>>> computers on your campus are accessible (all Mac's are out of the >>>>>> box). What you may need to do in a pinch is use a voice recorder in >>>>>> class and then use the public computer for assignments. >>>>>> 4. Remember that >>>>>> www.rfbd.org >>>>>> provides books in audio format, and >>>>>> www.bookshare.org >>>>>> provides books for free in a text format that you can read on a >>>>>> regular computer (either the public computer or a rented one). >>>>>> 5. Don't forget that readers are low-tech and relatively cheap >>>>>> (usually $7 per hour) and if your school has a community service club, >>>>>> you might be able to find volunteer readers. If rehab is >>>>>> uncooperative, your school (either the disability resource center or >>>>>> the department of your major) may be willing to help pay for readers, >>>>>> at least initially while you wait for equipment. >>>>>> >>>>>> In short, while you should definitely nag rehab to get you what you >>>>>> need (especially the laptop, scanner, and perhaps an audio book player >>>>>> like a Stream), rehab isn't, and shouldn't be, your only option. I >>>>>> think the only piece of equipment that's really mission-critical is a >>>>>> computer, and that can be either a personal computer or a public >>>>>> computer. Even your local public library might have a public computer >>>>>> you can use. I'd recommend staying in your classes if at all possible. >>>>>> Textbooks can be read with readers (readers can even be students in >>>>>> your classes, who have to read the books anyway), or with a public >>>>>> scanner (which might be available in the library or DRC). >>>>>> >>>>>> Best of luck and please keep us posted on your progress. >>>>>> Arielle >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/22/10, William ODonnell wrote: >>>>>>> I would have to say that I agree with Joe on many of the points he >>>>>>> has >>>>>>> made. >>>>>>> Also, keep some things “off record” with your councilor. I am >>>>>>> referring >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> the suggestions of you purchasing a net book that you provided in >>>>>>> your >>>>>>> email. Remember the following approach: don’t ask, don’t tell or do >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> give any additional information than requested. >>>>>>> In addition, always copy a supervisor when you’re documenting so the >>>>>>> context >>>>>>> of what you discuss is not altered or misrepresented at a later date. >>>>>>> Finally, investigate whether or not your local independent living >>>>>>> center >>>>>>> has >>>>>>> advocates that will speak on your behalf. >>>>>>> Note: some colleges and universities have laptops or net books that >>>>>>> disabled >>>>>>> students can reserve from there DSS office for use during class. In >>>>>>> regard >>>>>>> to readers or reading services, some organizations for the blind as >>>>>>> well >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> community centers have people from the community who volunteer who >>>>>>> may >>>>>>> assist you. In addition, check with your college or university to >>>>>>> see >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> you can post an add requesting for volunteers to assist you when time >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the essence and your accommodations/equipment is not available. I >>>>>>> say >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> following since it is a reality. Note: I do not want to discourage >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> scare >>>>>>> you; however, throughout your college career, you will learn and see >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> you will need to liquidate all avenues since many times you will >>>>>>> experience >>>>>>> faulty services and accommodations while meeting important deadlines >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> any >>>>>>> other student. You will need to be strong and always be your own >>>>>>> advocate >>>>>>> while never losing focus with your agenda. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Joe Orozco wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: Joe Orozco >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:30 AM >>>>>>>> Hi Jewel, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I see online that North Carolina just started a new fiscal >>>>>>>> year. This is >>>>>>>> bad, because this is when agencies can afford to lapse a >>>>>>>> little. If I were >>>>>>>> you, and taking your budget into consideration, this is my >>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>> recommendation: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. Take Justin's suggestion and go straight to the director >>>>>>>> of that field >>>>>>>> office. It's not your job to ease this counselor into >>>>>>>> her new position. >>>>>>>> Your first priority is getting what you need to be ready >>>>>>>> for school. Put >>>>>>>> your communications to the director in writing. Say >>>>>>>> in your first e-mail >>>>>>>> that you will follow up via telephone in a few days to talk >>>>>>>> about what can >>>>>>>> be done. Later, after your phone call, send another >>>>>>>> e-mail summarizing what >>>>>>>> was talked about. Always keep a written record of >>>>>>>> your communications. In >>>>>>>> the letter you should give a brief summary of the events to >>>>>>>> this point, but >>>>>>>> I would spend more time listing the equipment you need and >>>>>>>> a good >>>>>>>> justification for why you need them. This may >>>>>>>> somewhat minimize the need >>>>>>>> for an assessment if you can give concrete reasons for why >>>>>>>> the products are >>>>>>>> required. Also, rank your products in order of most >>>>>>>> important. The Victor >>>>>>>> Stream, for example, may be a necessity, but it could >>>>>>>> probably go near or at >>>>>>>> the bottom since your top priority is the ability to take >>>>>>>> notes in class. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2. Locate the individual or office that handles technology >>>>>>>> assessments. The >>>>>>>> more people you have inquiring into your case, the better, >>>>>>>> and even if they >>>>>>>> say they need to hear from your counselor, when your >>>>>>>> counselor calls the >>>>>>>> people will be familiar with you and have more of an >>>>>>>> incentive to act. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 3. Talk to your NFB affiliate president. He or she >>>>>>>> may know of someone >>>>>>>> working in the agency who can look into your case. >>>>>>>> The affiliate should >>>>>>>> also prove to be a good advocate on your behalf. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 4. Locate your nearest Lions Club. They may be able >>>>>>>> to step in and help >>>>>>>> with the cost of a netbook. If you can get that, you >>>>>>>> can use one of the >>>>>>>> free or reasonably priced screen readers while you wait for >>>>>>>> your other >>>>>>>> technology to arrive. The main thing is to get you >>>>>>>> something for the first >>>>>>>> day of class, and I think your Lions Club or Rotary Club >>>>>>>> should be able to >>>>>>>> generate $300 on your behalf. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is, at least, a start. I'm in a bit of a rush >>>>>>>> but can offer more later >>>>>>>> if you're still in a bind. Hopefully others will >>>>>>>> chime in as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best of luck, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Joe >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up >>>>>>>> their sleeves, >>>>>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at >>>>>>>> all."--Sam Ewing >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Jewel S. >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM >>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. >>>>>>>> I begin >>>>>>>> classes August 16, and have been working toward getting >>>>>>>> some needed >>>>>>>> equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a >>>>>>>> refreshable >>>>>>>> Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette >>>>>>>> embosser, a >>>>>>>> scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury >>>>>>>> (spelling?), and JAWS >>>>>>>> for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my >>>>>>>> side to get >>>>>>>> this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned >>>>>>>> recently to a >>>>>>>> new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first >>>>>>>> position). >>>>>>>> She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let >>>>>>>> alone how >>>>>>>> to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for >>>>>>>> review of >>>>>>>> my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> information, despite him having stated that I needed an >>>>>>>> assessment >>>>>>>> with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I >>>>>>>> asked him what >>>>>>>> the next step was again that he said that my counselor >>>>>>>> should have set >>>>>>>> up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, >>>>>>>> he had >>>>>>>> said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I >>>>>>>> needed to >>>>>>>> just wait for the referral to go through). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the >>>>>>>> referral done, the >>>>>>>> paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At >>>>>>>> first, they >>>>>>>> told me it would take two to three weeks to get the >>>>>>>> equipment. Then >>>>>>>> they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take >>>>>>>> up to two >>>>>>>> months! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the >>>>>>>> equipment I >>>>>>>> need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than >>>>>>>> getting a >>>>>>>> notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my >>>>>>>> slate and >>>>>>>> stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate >>>>>>>> for a few >>>>>>>> lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very >>>>>>>> badly, so I >>>>>>>> don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have >>>>>>>> a voice >>>>>>>> recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds >>>>>>>> to purchase >>>>>>>> one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my >>>>>>>> equipment >>>>>>>> comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to >>>>>>>> mean that >>>>>>>> I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has >>>>>>>> suggested places >>>>>>>> to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it >>>>>>>> also. When I >>>>>>>> asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop >>>>>>>> promised me >>>>>>>> by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the >>>>>>>> laptop I would >>>>>>>> purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if >>>>>>>> it's used, how >>>>>>>> can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for >>>>>>>> such a >>>>>>>> laptop? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? >>>>>>>> SWhat should >>>>>>>> I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, >>>>>>>> who should I >>>>>>>> bring this up with? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a >>>>>>>> way to record >>>>>>>> the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or >>>>>>>> complete >>>>>>>> worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on >>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>> students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and >>>>>>>> will not be >>>>>>>> able to participate when the class reads the books. I might >>>>>>>> as well >>>>>>>> not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From >>>>>>>> what DSB is >>>>>>>> telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before >>>>>>>> I get any >>>>>>>> of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a >>>>>>>> reasonable >>>>>>>> accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes >>>>>>>> and wait >>>>>>>> until next semester? I will not be able to participate >>>>>>>> appropriately >>>>>>>> in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be >>>>>>>> drastically >>>>>>>> effected by this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any advice, please? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yours, >>>>>>>> Jewel Shuping >>>>>>>> Wake Tech Community College >>>>>>>> Raleigh, NC >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>>>>> account >>>>>>>> info for nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>>>>> account info for nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/william.odonnell1%40yahoo.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Arielle Silverman >>>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>>>>> Phone: 602-502-2255 >>>>>> Email: >>>>>> nabs.president at gmail.com >>>>>> Website: >>>>>> www.nabslink.org >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Arielle Silverman > President, National Association of Blind Students > Phone: 602-502-2255 > Email: > nabs.president at gmail.com > Website: > www.nabslink.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Sat Jul 24 17:43:18 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 12:43:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Eye Research Participants Sought, yoga intervention for symptoms related to severe visual impairment Message-ID: Hello! I am writing to invite you to consider participating as a volunteer in a research study: "Development of a yoga intervention for symptoms related to severe visual impairment". It is being conducted at the Lions Vision Research and Rehabilitation Center, a division of the Wilmer Eye Institute at Johns Hopkins University. The purpose of this study is to develop and evaluate a yoga intervention specifically for people with severe vision loss due to retinitis pigmentosa or other ocular diseases. The yoga will combine postures, breathing, and meditation to try to help visually impaired people who may be experiencing problems with sleep, stress or balance. Yoga is easily implemented and accessible regardless of level of experience. Dr. Pamela Jeter, who has previous experience teaching yoga to people with visual impairments, will lead the classes. Prior to the yoga program, you will take several tests to find out if you are eligible. These include standard vision tests, a balance test, and questionnaires about sleep, mood and your general health. Your eyes will need to be dilated for one of the vision tests. You will repeat the same tests after the yoga intervention. During the 8-week yoga intervention phase, you will participate in a yoga class with an instructor once a week at our center at the Johns Hopkins Medical campus in Baltimore. You will be asked to practice yoga twice a week on your own at home following an audio CD. The entire study will require your participation for a total of about 12-weeks for approximately 3-4 hours per week. To qualify for participation in the study, one must have a visual acuity of 20/200 or worse, but better than light perception, and/or a visual field that is less than 20 degrees, in the better eye. Your vision will be evaluated at the first session to determine that your current level of vision falls into the range we wish to evaluate during this study. We will also request records from your last eye exam to be abreast of your current diagnosis and visual status. At the end of the study, we will offer you a modest honorarium of $25 for your participation. In addition, we will offer parking validation for the study visits to our center. We will give you a yoga mat to use for the intervention and to continue with your practice at home when the study ends. We very much appreciate your willingness to consider participation in this research study. Your participation in Hopkins research is of great importance to progress in managing eye diseases and their effects. If interested, please send an email to Dr. Pamela Jeter at pjeter1 at jhmi.edu. You may also contact her by phone at 410-5026434. She looks forward to working with you. Principal Investigator: Ava Bittner, O.D. Study team: Gislin Dagnelie, Ph.D. and Pam Jeter, Ph.D. Affiliation: Lions Vision Research and Rehabilitation Center, a division of the Wilmer Eye Institute at Johns Hopkins University Application Number: NA_00039032 David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From nabs.president at gmail.com Sat Jul 24 21:44:32 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:44:32 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jewel, I wonder if you can ask for a laptop with JAWS, a Braille notetaker, and a scanner. That's the setup I use and I've been very pleased with it-electronic books and notes can be read on the Braille Note's Braille display, while the laptop can be used for the third-party applications you described. I tried bringing a Braille embosser to college my first year, and I found myself never using it since I had Braille access on my notetaker and, as you mention, Brailling textbooks yourself is quite labor-intensive. Best of luck! Arielle On 7/24/10, Jewel S. wrote: > Thanks for that clarification. I requested either a Braille notetaker > (such as the PacMate or BrailleNote) or a laptop with a refreshable > Braille display. The person who did the initial assessment thought a > laptop and refreshable Braille display would be a better set-up than a > Braille notetaker for flexibility, ease of use, and usability with > third-party programs such as my DaybyDay planning calendar. I agreed > with this assessment, though if they gave me a Braille notetaker > instead of the laptop-Braille display combination, I would not turn it > down and would work with it I think about equally as well. My concern > is that if I get a laptop, I must have a way to read my books and > notes in Braille. The embosser will help with this, but putting my > textbooks and notes all in hard-copy Braille is not feasible, I think, > and a waste of paper. But I simply cannot listen to long segments of > audio, especially when I'm supposed to be listening to the professor > (I know I can read the book ahead of time, but in my Spanish class, at > least, we will be doing a lot of reading aloud). > > I'm hoping to be on my way with getting this resolved Monday. It's > really frustrating and I'm impatient about the weekend. > > I do appreciate everyone's input on this. It has given me many things > to think about and some encouragement that I should be getting what I > need for school. > > ~Jewel > > On 7/24/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I think what I meant by "luxury" is the large Braille display that >> connects to a computer. While these are ideal, I think you can get >> almost the same degree of access with a portable Braille notetaker >> with a Braille display, such as a Braille Note or Pac Mate, and I >> believe portable notetakers are also cheaper than Braille display >> computer hookups. Jewel, I don't remember if you had requested both a >> Braille notetaker and a Braille display in your original equipment >> setup, but if you find yourself needing to negotiate, the Braille >> notetaker will give you lots of Braille functionality whether you >> choose to read your books on it or listen and take notes in Braille, >> as I do. >> >> Arielle >> >> On 7/23/10, Jewel S. wrote: >>> Thank you for this resource. I wil lread it; it looks good. I can >>> quote it in my complaints, I'm sure. >>> >>> ~Jewel >>> >>> On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>> Hi again, >>>> >>>> This resource is long, but really highlights Voc Rehab's >>>> responsibilities >>>> with specific RSA situations. This should help you a great deal. >>>> >>>> http://www.nls.org/vrron.htm >>>> >>>> Briley >>>> On Jul 23, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Jewel S. wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is my feelings also. I do not think the refreshable Braille >>>>> display is a luxury, but an essential tool for my learning. I am a >>>>> visual and tactile learner, and have a lot of trouble learning by >>>>> audio teaching only. I often have to re-read what JAWS has read to me >>>>> several times, and have to rewind audio books if I have the least >>>>> distraction (such as someone making a comment to me or the radio or tv >>>>> or pretty much any background noise can distract me). >>>>> >>>>> A quick update. They want to do an accessment (laptop or PDA). I'm >>>>> going to ask about justifying just getting the laptop, as I think >>>>> it'll be the easiest way to go (more compatibility with programs, more >>>>> connection with other students, less expensive for DSB, more versatile >>>>> in future programs that I purchase). The supervisor was not in today; >>>>> I will speak to him on Monday and get this all straightened out. >>>>> >>>>> ~Jewel >>>>> >>>>> On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I just wanted to offer that I don't agree that a Braille display is a >>>>>> "luxury", and that you shouldn't push for Voc Rehab to provide it. Is >>>>>> having >>>>>> print a "luxury", for sighted students? No. If Braille is your >>>>>> preferred >>>>>> reading medium, you shouldn't be forced to just get by with only audio >>>>>> if >>>>>> that is not how you best learn. They would never send a sighted >>>>>> student >>>>>> off >>>>>> to college and say, "Good luck getting by with no print books." Voc >>>>>> Rehab >>>>>> can provide this for you, and moving up the chain of command will >>>>>> achieve >>>>>> the quickest results. Every regional office has specific complaint >>>>>> procedures which you can request in writing from your councilor's >>>>>> manager. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just my thoughts, >>>>>> Briley >>>>>> On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Jewel and all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is an old story that I've heard way too many times from >>>>>>> students. >>>>>>> Your counselor's actions (or non-actions) are ridiculous and >>>>>>> definitely need to be addressed with her supervisor(s). In the >>>>>>> meantime, though, I think it's important to come up with a plan B >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> doesn't involve DSB at all, at least while you're waiting. A few >>>>>>> ideas: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. With rehab, I'd focus on getting the computer and scanner. The >>>>>>> refreshable Braille display and embosser are nice, but they're >>>>>>> luxuries, not necessities, in my opinion. Asking for just a couple >>>>>>> pieces of equipment rather than the whole gamut may be less >>>>>>> complicated/bureaucratic. >>>>>>> 2. Does your school have an office for blind/disabled students? If so >>>>>>> they very well might have equipment for loan, like computers, and >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> should have public-access scanners that you can walk in and use. If >>>>>>> not, find out if there's anywhere else on campus (like the bookstore >>>>>>> or library) where you can borrow or rent a computer for low or no >>>>>>> cost. Perhaps family members or friends might have extra computers >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> can borrow? Once you have the computer, you should be able to >>>>>>> download >>>>>>> a free open-source screen reader to use with it. >>>>>>> 2. The NFB has a technology loan program and your NFB affiliate might >>>>>>> have one too. Call the NFB Braille and Technology Center at >>>>>>> 410-659-9314 for details. Of course borrowing equipment for free is >>>>>>> better than racking up interest, but it could be a last-resort, >>>>>>> temporary option. >>>>>>> 3. If you can't get a portable computer, see if any of the public >>>>>>> computers on your campus are accessible (all Mac's are out of the >>>>>>> box). What you may need to do in a pinch is use a voice recorder in >>>>>>> class and then use the public computer for assignments. >>>>>>> 4. Remember that >>>>>>> www.rfbd.org >>>>>>> provides books in audio format, and >>>>>>> www.bookshare.org >>>>>>> provides books for free in a text format that you can read on a >>>>>>> regular computer (either the public computer or a rented one). >>>>>>> 5. Don't forget that readers are low-tech and relatively cheap >>>>>>> (usually $7 per hour) and if your school has a community service >>>>>>> club, >>>>>>> you might be able to find volunteer readers. If rehab is >>>>>>> uncooperative, your school (either the disability resource center or >>>>>>> the department of your major) may be willing to help pay for readers, >>>>>>> at least initially while you wait for equipment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In short, while you should definitely nag rehab to get you what you >>>>>>> need (especially the laptop, scanner, and perhaps an audio book >>>>>>> player >>>>>>> like a Stream), rehab isn't, and shouldn't be, your only option. I >>>>>>> think the only piece of equipment that's really mission-critical is a >>>>>>> computer, and that can be either a personal computer or a public >>>>>>> computer. Even your local public library might have a public computer >>>>>>> you can use. I'd recommend staying in your classes if at all >>>>>>> possible. >>>>>>> Textbooks can be read with readers (readers can even be students in >>>>>>> your classes, who have to read the books anyway), or with a public >>>>>>> scanner (which might be available in the library or DRC). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best of luck and please keep us posted on your progress. >>>>>>> Arielle >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/22/10, William ODonnell wrote: >>>>>>>> I would have to say that I agree with Joe on many of the points he >>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>> made. >>>>>>>> Also, keep some things “off record” with your councilor. I am >>>>>>>> referring >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> the suggestions of you purchasing a net book that you provided in >>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>> email. Remember the following approach: don’t ask, don’t tell or do >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> give any additional information than requested. >>>>>>>> In addition, always copy a supervisor when you’re documenting so the >>>>>>>> context >>>>>>>> of what you discuss is not altered or misrepresented at a later >>>>>>>> date. >>>>>>>> Finally, investigate whether or not your local independent living >>>>>>>> center >>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>> advocates that will speak on your behalf. >>>>>>>> Note: some colleges and universities have laptops or net books that >>>>>>>> disabled >>>>>>>> students can reserve from there DSS office for use during class. In >>>>>>>> regard >>>>>>>> to readers or reading services, some organizations for the blind as >>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> community centers have people from the community who volunteer who >>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>> assist you. In addition, check with your college or university to >>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> you can post an add requesting for volunteers to assist you when >>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the essence and your accommodations/equipment is not available. I >>>>>>>> say >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> following since it is a reality. Note: I do not want to discourage >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> scare >>>>>>>> you; however, throughout your college career, you will learn and see >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> you will need to liquidate all avenues since many times you will >>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>> faulty services and accommodations while meeting important deadlines >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>> other student. You will need to be strong and always be your own >>>>>>>> advocate >>>>>>>> while never losing focus with your agenda. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Joe Orozco wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: Joe Orozco >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:30 AM >>>>>>>>> Hi Jewel, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I see online that North Carolina just started a new fiscal >>>>>>>>> year. This is >>>>>>>>> bad, because this is when agencies can afford to lapse a >>>>>>>>> little. If I were >>>>>>>>> you, and taking your budget into consideration, this is my >>>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>>> recommendation: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. Take Justin's suggestion and go straight to the director >>>>>>>>> of that field >>>>>>>>> office. It's not your job to ease this counselor into >>>>>>>>> her new position. >>>>>>>>> Your first priority is getting what you need to be ready >>>>>>>>> for school. Put >>>>>>>>> your communications to the director in writing. Say >>>>>>>>> in your first e-mail >>>>>>>>> that you will follow up via telephone in a few days to talk >>>>>>>>> about what can >>>>>>>>> be done. Later, after your phone call, send another >>>>>>>>> e-mail summarizing what >>>>>>>>> was talked about. Always keep a written record of >>>>>>>>> your communications. In >>>>>>>>> the letter you should give a brief summary of the events to >>>>>>>>> this point, but >>>>>>>>> I would spend more time listing the equipment you need and >>>>>>>>> a good >>>>>>>>> justification for why you need them. This may >>>>>>>>> somewhat minimize the need >>>>>>>>> for an assessment if you can give concrete reasons for why >>>>>>>>> the products are >>>>>>>>> required. Also, rank your products in order of most >>>>>>>>> important. The Victor >>>>>>>>> Stream, for example, may be a necessity, but it could >>>>>>>>> probably go near or at >>>>>>>>> the bottom since your top priority is the ability to take >>>>>>>>> notes in class. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2. Locate the individual or office that handles technology >>>>>>>>> assessments. The >>>>>>>>> more people you have inquiring into your case, the better, >>>>>>>>> and even if they >>>>>>>>> say they need to hear from your counselor, when your >>>>>>>>> counselor calls the >>>>>>>>> people will be familiar with you and have more of an >>>>>>>>> incentive to act. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3. Talk to your NFB affiliate president. He or she >>>>>>>>> may know of someone >>>>>>>>> working in the agency who can look into your case. >>>>>>>>> The affiliate should >>>>>>>>> also prove to be a good advocate on your behalf. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 4. Locate your nearest Lions Club. They may be able >>>>>>>>> to step in and help >>>>>>>>> with the cost of a netbook. If you can get that, you >>>>>>>>> can use one of the >>>>>>>>> free or reasonably priced screen readers while you wait for >>>>>>>>> your other >>>>>>>>> technology to arrive. The main thing is to get you >>>>>>>>> something for the first >>>>>>>>> day of class, and I think your Lions Club or Rotary Club >>>>>>>>> should be able to >>>>>>>>> generate $300 on your behalf. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is, at least, a start. I'm in a bit of a rush >>>>>>>>> but can offer more later >>>>>>>>> if you're still in a bind. Hopefully others will >>>>>>>>> chime in as well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best of luck, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Joe >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up >>>>>>>>> their sleeves, >>>>>>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at >>>>>>>>> all."--Sam Ewing >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Jewel S. >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM >>>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. >>>>>>>>> I begin >>>>>>>>> classes August 16, and have been working toward getting >>>>>>>>> some needed >>>>>>>>> equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a >>>>>>>>> refreshable >>>>>>>>> Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette >>>>>>>>> embosser, a >>>>>>>>> scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury >>>>>>>>> (spelling?), and JAWS >>>>>>>>> for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my >>>>>>>>> side to get >>>>>>>>> this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned >>>>>>>>> recently to a >>>>>>>>> new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first >>>>>>>>> position). >>>>>>>>> She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let >>>>>>>>> alone how >>>>>>>>> to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for >>>>>>>>> review of >>>>>>>>> my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> information, despite him having stated that I needed an >>>>>>>>> assessment >>>>>>>>> with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I >>>>>>>>> asked him what >>>>>>>>> the next step was again that he said that my counselor >>>>>>>>> should have set >>>>>>>>> up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, >>>>>>>>> he had >>>>>>>>> said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I >>>>>>>>> needed to >>>>>>>>> just wait for the referral to go through). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the >>>>>>>>> referral done, the >>>>>>>>> paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At >>>>>>>>> first, they >>>>>>>>> told me it would take two to three weeks to get the >>>>>>>>> equipment. Then >>>>>>>>> they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take >>>>>>>>> up to two >>>>>>>>> months! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the >>>>>>>>> equipment I >>>>>>>>> need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than >>>>>>>>> getting a >>>>>>>>> notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my >>>>>>>>> slate and >>>>>>>>> stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate >>>>>>>>> for a few >>>>>>>>> lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very >>>>>>>>> badly, so I >>>>>>>>> don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have >>>>>>>>> a voice >>>>>>>>> recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds >>>>>>>>> to purchase >>>>>>>>> one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my >>>>>>>>> equipment >>>>>>>>> comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to >>>>>>>>> mean that >>>>>>>>> I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has >>>>>>>>> suggested places >>>>>>>>> to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it >>>>>>>>> also. When I >>>>>>>>> asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop >>>>>>>>> promised me >>>>>>>>> by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the >>>>>>>>> laptop I would >>>>>>>>> purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if >>>>>>>>> it's used, how >>>>>>>>> can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for >>>>>>>>> such a >>>>>>>>> laptop? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? >>>>>>>>> SWhat should >>>>>>>>> I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, >>>>>>>>> who should I >>>>>>>>> bring this up with? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a >>>>>>>>> way to record >>>>>>>>> the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or >>>>>>>>> complete >>>>>>>>> worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on >>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>> students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and >>>>>>>>> will not be >>>>>>>>> able to participate when the class reads the books. I might >>>>>>>>> as well >>>>>>>>> not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From >>>>>>>>> what DSB is >>>>>>>>> telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before >>>>>>>>> I get any >>>>>>>>> of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a >>>>>>>>> reasonable >>>>>>>>> accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes >>>>>>>>> and wait >>>>>>>>> until next semester? I will not be able to participate >>>>>>>>> appropriately >>>>>>>>> in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be >>>>>>>>> drastically >>>>>>>>> effected by this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Any advice, please? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yours, >>>>>>>>> Jewel Shuping >>>>>>>>> Wake Tech Community College >>>>>>>>> Raleigh, NC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>>>>>> account >>>>>>>>> info for nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>>>>>> account info for nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/william.odonnell1%40yahoo.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Arielle Silverman >>>>>>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>>>>>> Phone: 602-502-2255 >>>>>>> Email: >>>>>>> nabs.president at gmail.com >>>>>>> Website: >>>>>>> www.nabslink.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Arielle Silverman >> President, National Association of Blind Students >> Phone: 602-502-2255 >> Email: >> nabs.president at gmail.com >> Website: >> www.nabslink.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Sun Jul 25 00:25:31 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 20:25:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> Message-ID: DSB told me that they would get either a Braille notetaker OR a laptop with a refreshable Braille display, but not both. ~Jewel On 7/24/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Jewel, > > I wonder if you can ask for a laptop with JAWS, a Braille notetaker, > and a scanner. That's the setup I use and I've been very pleased with > it-electronic books and notes can be read on the Braille Note's > Braille display, while the laptop can be used for the third-party > applications you described. I tried bringing a Braille embosser to > college my first year, and I found myself never using it since I had > Braille access on my notetaker and, as you mention, Brailling > textbooks yourself is quite labor-intensive. > > Best of luck! > Arielle > > On 7/24/10, Jewel S. wrote: >> Thanks for that clarification. I requested either a Braille notetaker >> (such as the PacMate or BrailleNote) or a laptop with a refreshable >> Braille display. The person who did the initial assessment thought a >> laptop and refreshable Braille display would be a better set-up than a >> Braille notetaker for flexibility, ease of use, and usability with >> third-party programs such as my DaybyDay planning calendar. I agreed >> with this assessment, though if they gave me a Braille notetaker >> instead of the laptop-Braille display combination, I would not turn it >> down and would work with it I think about equally as well. My concern >> is that if I get a laptop, I must have a way to read my books and >> notes in Braille. The embosser will help with this, but putting my >> textbooks and notes all in hard-copy Braille is not feasible, I think, >> and a waste of paper. But I simply cannot listen to long segments of >> audio, especially when I'm supposed to be listening to the professor >> (I know I can read the book ahead of time, but in my Spanish class, at >> least, we will be doing a lot of reading aloud). >> >> I'm hoping to be on my way with getting this resolved Monday. It's >> really frustrating and I'm impatient about the weekend. >> >> I do appreciate everyone's input on this. It has given me many things >> to think about and some encouragement that I should be getting what I >> need for school. >> >> ~Jewel >> >> On 7/24/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I think what I meant by "luxury" is the large Braille display that >>> connects to a computer. While these are ideal, I think you can get >>> almost the same degree of access with a portable Braille notetaker >>> with a Braille display, such as a Braille Note or Pac Mate, and I >>> believe portable notetakers are also cheaper than Braille display >>> computer hookups. Jewel, I don't remember if you had requested both a >>> Braille notetaker and a Braille display in your original equipment >>> setup, but if you find yourself needing to negotiate, the Braille >>> notetaker will give you lots of Braille functionality whether you >>> choose to read your books on it or listen and take notes in Braille, >>> as I do. >>> >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 7/23/10, Jewel S. wrote: >>>> Thank you for this resource. I wil lread it; it looks good. I can >>>> quote it in my complaints, I'm sure. >>>> >>>> ~Jewel >>>> >>>> On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>>> Hi again, >>>>> >>>>> This resource is long, but really highlights Voc Rehab's >>>>> responsibilities >>>>> with specific RSA situations. This should help you a great deal. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.nls.org/vrron.htm >>>>> >>>>> Briley >>>>> On Jul 23, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Jewel S. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This is my feelings also. I do not think the refreshable Braille >>>>>> display is a luxury, but an essential tool for my learning. I am a >>>>>> visual and tactile learner, and have a lot of trouble learning by >>>>>> audio teaching only. I often have to re-read what JAWS has read to me >>>>>> several times, and have to rewind audio books if I have the least >>>>>> distraction (such as someone making a comment to me or the radio or tv >>>>>> or pretty much any background noise can distract me). >>>>>> >>>>>> A quick update. They want to do an accessment (laptop or PDA). I'm >>>>>> going to ask about justifying just getting the laptop, as I think >>>>>> it'll be the easiest way to go (more compatibility with programs, more >>>>>> connection with other students, less expensive for DSB, more versatile >>>>>> in future programs that I purchase). The supervisor was not in today; >>>>>> I will speak to him on Monday and get this all straightened out. >>>>>> >>>>>> ~Jewel >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just wanted to offer that I don't agree that a Braille display is a >>>>>>> "luxury", and that you shouldn't push for Voc Rehab to provide it. Is >>>>>>> having >>>>>>> print a "luxury", for sighted students? No. If Braille is your >>>>>>> preferred >>>>>>> reading medium, you shouldn't be forced to just get by with only >>>>>>> audio >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> that is not how you best learn. They would never send a sighted >>>>>>> student >>>>>>> off >>>>>>> to college and say, "Good luck getting by with no print books." Voc >>>>>>> Rehab >>>>>>> can provide this for you, and moving up the chain of command will >>>>>>> achieve >>>>>>> the quickest results. Every regional office has specific complaint >>>>>>> procedures which you can request in writing from your councilor's >>>>>>> manager. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just my thoughts, >>>>>>> Briley >>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Jewel and all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is an old story that I've heard way too many times from >>>>>>>> students. >>>>>>>> Your counselor's actions (or non-actions) are ridiculous and >>>>>>>> definitely need to be addressed with her supervisor(s). In the >>>>>>>> meantime, though, I think it's important to come up with a plan B >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> doesn't involve DSB at all, at least while you're waiting. A few >>>>>>>> ideas: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. With rehab, I'd focus on getting the computer and scanner. The >>>>>>>> refreshable Braille display and embosser are nice, but they're >>>>>>>> luxuries, not necessities, in my opinion. Asking for just a couple >>>>>>>> pieces of equipment rather than the whole gamut may be less >>>>>>>> complicated/bureaucratic. >>>>>>>> 2. Does your school have an office for blind/disabled students? If >>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>> they very well might have equipment for loan, like computers, and >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> should have public-access scanners that you can walk in and use. If >>>>>>>> not, find out if there's anywhere else on campus (like the bookstore >>>>>>>> or library) where you can borrow or rent a computer for low or no >>>>>>>> cost. Perhaps family members or friends might have extra computers >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> can borrow? Once you have the computer, you should be able to >>>>>>>> download >>>>>>>> a free open-source screen reader to use with it. >>>>>>>> 2. The NFB has a technology loan program and your NFB affiliate >>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>> have one too. Call the NFB Braille and Technology Center at >>>>>>>> 410-659-9314 for details. Of course borrowing equipment for free is >>>>>>>> better than racking up interest, but it could be a last-resort, >>>>>>>> temporary option. >>>>>>>> 3. If you can't get a portable computer, see if any of the public >>>>>>>> computers on your campus are accessible (all Mac's are out of the >>>>>>>> box). What you may need to do in a pinch is use a voice recorder in >>>>>>>> class and then use the public computer for assignments. >>>>>>>> 4. Remember that >>>>>>>> www.rfbd.org >>>>>>>> provides books in audio format, and >>>>>>>> www.bookshare.org >>>>>>>> provides books for free in a text format that you can read on a >>>>>>>> regular computer (either the public computer or a rented one). >>>>>>>> 5. Don't forget that readers are low-tech and relatively cheap >>>>>>>> (usually $7 per hour) and if your school has a community service >>>>>>>> club, >>>>>>>> you might be able to find volunteer readers. If rehab is >>>>>>>> uncooperative, your school (either the disability resource center or >>>>>>>> the department of your major) may be willing to help pay for >>>>>>>> readers, >>>>>>>> at least initially while you wait for equipment. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In short, while you should definitely nag rehab to get you what you >>>>>>>> need (especially the laptop, scanner, and perhaps an audio book >>>>>>>> player >>>>>>>> like a Stream), rehab isn't, and shouldn't be, your only option. I >>>>>>>> think the only piece of equipment that's really mission-critical is >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> computer, and that can be either a personal computer or a public >>>>>>>> computer. Even your local public library might have a public >>>>>>>> computer >>>>>>>> you can use. I'd recommend staying in your classes if at all >>>>>>>> possible. >>>>>>>> Textbooks can be read with readers (readers can even be students in >>>>>>>> your classes, who have to read the books anyway), or with a public >>>>>>>> scanner (which might be available in the library or DRC). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best of luck and please keep us posted on your progress. >>>>>>>> Arielle >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7/22/10, William ODonnell wrote: >>>>>>>>> I would have to say that I agree with Joe on many of the points he >>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>> made. >>>>>>>>> Also, keep some things “off record” with your councilor. I am >>>>>>>>> referring >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> the suggestions of you purchasing a net book that you provided in >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> email. Remember the following approach: don’t ask, don’t tell or >>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> give any additional information than requested. >>>>>>>>> In addition, always copy a supervisor when you’re documenting so >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> context >>>>>>>>> of what you discuss is not altered or misrepresented at a later >>>>>>>>> date. >>>>>>>>> Finally, investigate whether or not your local independent living >>>>>>>>> center >>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>> advocates that will speak on your behalf. >>>>>>>>> Note: some colleges and universities have laptops or net books that >>>>>>>>> disabled >>>>>>>>> students can reserve from there DSS office for use during class. >>>>>>>>> In >>>>>>>>> regard >>>>>>>>> to readers or reading services, some organizations for the blind as >>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> community centers have people from the community who volunteer who >>>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>>> assist you. In addition, check with your college or university to >>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>> you can post an add requesting for volunteers to assist you when >>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the essence and your accommodations/equipment is not available. I >>>>>>>>> say >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> following since it is a reality. Note: I do not want to discourage >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> scare >>>>>>>>> you; however, throughout your college career, you will learn and >>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> you will need to liquidate all avenues since many times you will >>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>> faulty services and accommodations while meeting important >>>>>>>>> deadlines >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>> other student. You will need to be strong and always be your own >>>>>>>>> advocate >>>>>>>>> while never losing focus with your agenda. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Joe Orozco wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: Joe Orozco >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:30 AM >>>>>>>>>> Hi Jewel, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I see online that North Carolina just started a new fiscal >>>>>>>>>> year. This is >>>>>>>>>> bad, because this is when agencies can afford to lapse a >>>>>>>>>> little. If I were >>>>>>>>>> you, and taking your budget into consideration, this is my >>>>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>>>> recommendation: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. Take Justin's suggestion and go straight to the director >>>>>>>>>> of that field >>>>>>>>>> office. It's not your job to ease this counselor into >>>>>>>>>> her new position. >>>>>>>>>> Your first priority is getting what you need to be ready >>>>>>>>>> for school. Put >>>>>>>>>> your communications to the director in writing. Say >>>>>>>>>> in your first e-mail >>>>>>>>>> that you will follow up via telephone in a few days to talk >>>>>>>>>> about what can >>>>>>>>>> be done. Later, after your phone call, send another >>>>>>>>>> e-mail summarizing what >>>>>>>>>> was talked about. Always keep a written record of >>>>>>>>>> your communications. In >>>>>>>>>> the letter you should give a brief summary of the events to >>>>>>>>>> this point, but >>>>>>>>>> I would spend more time listing the equipment you need and >>>>>>>>>> a good >>>>>>>>>> justification for why you need them. This may >>>>>>>>>> somewhat minimize the need >>>>>>>>>> for an assessment if you can give concrete reasons for why >>>>>>>>>> the products are >>>>>>>>>> required. Also, rank your products in order of most >>>>>>>>>> important. The Victor >>>>>>>>>> Stream, for example, may be a necessity, but it could >>>>>>>>>> probably go near or at >>>>>>>>>> the bottom since your top priority is the ability to take >>>>>>>>>> notes in class. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2. Locate the individual or office that handles technology >>>>>>>>>> assessments. The >>>>>>>>>> more people you have inquiring into your case, the better, >>>>>>>>>> and even if they >>>>>>>>>> say they need to hear from your counselor, when your >>>>>>>>>> counselor calls the >>>>>>>>>> people will be familiar with you and have more of an >>>>>>>>>> incentive to act. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 3. Talk to your NFB affiliate president. He or she >>>>>>>>>> may know of someone >>>>>>>>>> working in the agency who can look into your case. >>>>>>>>>> The affiliate should >>>>>>>>>> also prove to be a good advocate on your behalf. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 4. Locate your nearest Lions Club. They may be able >>>>>>>>>> to step in and help >>>>>>>>>> with the cost of a netbook. If you can get that, you >>>>>>>>>> can use one of the >>>>>>>>>> free or reasonably priced screen readers while you wait for >>>>>>>>>> your other >>>>>>>>>> technology to arrive. The main thing is to get you >>>>>>>>>> something for the first >>>>>>>>>> day of class, and I think your Lions Club or Rotary Club >>>>>>>>>> should be able to >>>>>>>>>> generate $300 on your behalf. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is, at least, a start. I'm in a bit of a rush >>>>>>>>>> but can offer more later >>>>>>>>>> if you're still in a bind. Hopefully others will >>>>>>>>>> chime in as well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best of luck, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Joe >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up >>>>>>>>>> their sleeves, >>>>>>>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at >>>>>>>>>> all."--Sam Ewing >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Jewel S. >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM >>>>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. >>>>>>>>>> I begin >>>>>>>>>> classes August 16, and have been working toward getting >>>>>>>>>> some needed >>>>>>>>>> equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a >>>>>>>>>> refreshable >>>>>>>>>> Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette >>>>>>>>>> embosser, a >>>>>>>>>> scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury >>>>>>>>>> (spelling?), and JAWS >>>>>>>>>> for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my >>>>>>>>>> side to get >>>>>>>>>> this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned >>>>>>>>>> recently to a >>>>>>>>>> new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first >>>>>>>>>> position). >>>>>>>>>> She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let >>>>>>>>>> alone how >>>>>>>>>> to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for >>>>>>>>>> review of >>>>>>>>>> my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> information, despite him having stated that I needed an >>>>>>>>>> assessment >>>>>>>>>> with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I >>>>>>>>>> asked him what >>>>>>>>>> the next step was again that he said that my counselor >>>>>>>>>> should have set >>>>>>>>>> up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, >>>>>>>>>> he had >>>>>>>>>> said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I >>>>>>>>>> needed to >>>>>>>>>> just wait for the referral to go through). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the >>>>>>>>>> referral done, the >>>>>>>>>> paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At >>>>>>>>>> first, they >>>>>>>>>> told me it would take two to three weeks to get the >>>>>>>>>> equipment. Then >>>>>>>>>> they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take >>>>>>>>>> up to two >>>>>>>>>> months! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the >>>>>>>>>> equipment I >>>>>>>>>> need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than >>>>>>>>>> getting a >>>>>>>>>> notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my >>>>>>>>>> slate and >>>>>>>>>> stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate >>>>>>>>>> for a few >>>>>>>>>> lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very >>>>>>>>>> badly, so I >>>>>>>>>> don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have >>>>>>>>>> a voice >>>>>>>>>> recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds >>>>>>>>>> to purchase >>>>>>>>>> one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my >>>>>>>>>> equipment >>>>>>>>>> comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to >>>>>>>>>> mean that >>>>>>>>>> I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has >>>>>>>>>> suggested places >>>>>>>>>> to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it >>>>>>>>>> also. When I >>>>>>>>>> asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop >>>>>>>>>> promised me >>>>>>>>>> by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the >>>>>>>>>> laptop I would >>>>>>>>>> purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if >>>>>>>>>> it's used, how >>>>>>>>>> can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for >>>>>>>>>> such a >>>>>>>>>> laptop? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? >>>>>>>>>> SWhat should >>>>>>>>>> I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, >>>>>>>>>> who should I >>>>>>>>>> bring this up with? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a >>>>>>>>>> way to record >>>>>>>>>> the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or >>>>>>>>>> complete >>>>>>>>>> worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on >>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>> students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and >>>>>>>>>> will not be >>>>>>>>>> able to participate when the class reads the books. I might >>>>>>>>>> as well >>>>>>>>>> not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From >>>>>>>>>> what DSB is >>>>>>>>>> telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before >>>>>>>>>> I get any >>>>>>>>>> of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a >>>>>>>>>> reasonable >>>>>>>>>> accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes >>>>>>>>>> and wait >>>>>>>>>> until next semester? I will not be able to participate >>>>>>>>>> appropriately >>>>>>>>>> in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be >>>>>>>>>> drastically >>>>>>>>>> effected by this. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Any advice, please? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yours, >>>>>>>>>> Jewel Shuping >>>>>>>>>> Wake Tech Community College >>>>>>>>>> Raleigh, NC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>>>>>>> account >>>>>>>>>> info for nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>>>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your 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http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From brileyp at gmail.com Sun Jul 25 00:37:50 2010 From: brileyp at gmail.com (Briley Pollard) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 19:37:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> Message-ID: If you will be most successful with a notetaker and lap-top, they will get you both. It won't be difficult to justify. Stick to your guns. You'll get what you need. Briley On Jul 24, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Jewel S. wrote: > DSB told me that they would get either a Braille notetaker OR a laptop > with a refreshable Braille display, but not both. > > ~Jewel > > On 7/24/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> Hi Jewel, >> >> I wonder if you can ask for a laptop with JAWS, a Braille notetaker, >> and a scanner. That's the setup I use and I've been very pleased with >> it-electronic books and notes can be read on the Braille Note's >> Braille display, while the laptop can be used for the third-party >> applications you described. I tried bringing a Braille embosser to >> college my first year, and I found myself never using it since I had >> Braille access on my notetaker and, as you mention, Brailling >> textbooks yourself is quite labor-intensive. >> >> Best of luck! >> Arielle >> >> On 7/24/10, Jewel S. wrote: >>> Thanks for that clarification. I requested either a Braille notetaker >>> (such as the PacMate or BrailleNote) or a laptop with a refreshable >>> Braille display. The person who did the initial assessment thought a >>> laptop and refreshable Braille display would be a better set-up than a >>> Braille notetaker for flexibility, ease of use, and usability with >>> third-party programs such as my DaybyDay planning calendar. I agreed >>> with this assessment, though if they gave me a Braille notetaker >>> instead of the laptop-Braille display combination, I would not turn it >>> down and would work with it I think about equally as well. My concern >>> is that if I get a laptop, I must have a way to read my books and >>> notes in Braille. The embosser will help with this, but putting my >>> textbooks and notes all in hard-copy Braille is not feasible, I think, >>> and a waste of paper. But I simply cannot listen to long segments of >>> audio, especially when I'm supposed to be listening to the professor >>> (I know I can read the book ahead of time, but in my Spanish class, at >>> least, we will be doing a lot of reading aloud). >>> >>> I'm hoping to be on my way with getting this resolved Monday. It's >>> really frustrating and I'm impatient about the weekend. >>> >>> I do appreciate everyone's input on this. It has given me many things >>> to think about and some encouragement that I should be getting what I >>> need for school. >>> >>> ~Jewel >>> >>> On 7/24/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I think what I meant by "luxury" is the large Braille display that >>>> connects to a computer. While these are ideal, I think you can get >>>> almost the same degree of access with a portable Braille notetaker >>>> with a Braille display, such as a Braille Note or Pac Mate, and I >>>> believe portable notetakers are also cheaper than Braille display >>>> computer hookups. Jewel, I don't remember if you had requested both a >>>> Braille notetaker and a Braille display in your original equipment >>>> setup, but if you find yourself needing to negotiate, the Braille >>>> notetaker will give you lots of Braille functionality whether you >>>> choose to read your books on it or listen and take notes in Braille, >>>> as I do. >>>> >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>> On 7/23/10, Jewel S. wrote: >>>>> Thank you for this resource. I wil lread it; it looks good. I can >>>>> quote it in my complaints, I'm sure. >>>>> >>>>> ~Jewel >>>>> >>>>> On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>>>> Hi again, >>>>>> >>>>>> This resource is long, but really highlights Voc Rehab's >>>>>> responsibilities >>>>>> with specific RSA situations. This should help you a great deal. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.nls.org/vrron.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> Briley >>>>>> On Jul 23, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Jewel S. wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> This is my feelings also. I do not think the refreshable Braille >>>>>>> display is a luxury, but an essential tool for my learning. I am a >>>>>>> visual and tactile learner, and have a lot of trouble learning by >>>>>>> audio teaching only. I often have to re-read what JAWS has read to me >>>>>>> several times, and have to rewind audio books if I have the least >>>>>>> distraction (such as someone making a comment to me or the radio or tv >>>>>>> or pretty much any background noise can distract me). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A quick update. They want to do an accessment (laptop or PDA). I'm >>>>>>> going to ask about justifying just getting the laptop, as I think >>>>>>> it'll be the easiest way to go (more compatibility with programs, more >>>>>>> connection with other students, less expensive for DSB, more versatile >>>>>>> in future programs that I purchase). The supervisor was not in today; >>>>>>> I will speak to him on Monday and get this all straightened out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ~Jewel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I just wanted to offer that I don't agree that a Braille display is a >>>>>>>> "luxury", and that you shouldn't push for Voc Rehab to provide it. Is >>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>> print a "luxury", for sighted students? No. If Braille is your >>>>>>>> preferred >>>>>>>> reading medium, you shouldn't be forced to just get by with only >>>>>>>> audio >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> that is not how you best learn. They would never send a sighted >>>>>>>> student >>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>> to college and say, "Good luck getting by with no print books." Voc >>>>>>>> Rehab >>>>>>>> can provide this for you, and moving up the chain of command will >>>>>>>> achieve >>>>>>>> the quickest results. Every regional office has specific complaint >>>>>>>> procedures which you can request in writing from your councilor's >>>>>>>> manager. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just my thoughts, >>>>>>>> Briley >>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Jewel and all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is an old story that I've heard way too many times from >>>>>>>>> students. >>>>>>>>> Your counselor's actions (or non-actions) are ridiculous and >>>>>>>>> definitely need to be addressed with her supervisor(s). In the >>>>>>>>> meantime, though, I think it's important to come up with a plan B >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> doesn't involve DSB at all, at least while you're waiting. A few >>>>>>>>> ideas: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. With rehab, I'd focus on getting the computer and scanner. The >>>>>>>>> refreshable Braille display and embosser are nice, but they're >>>>>>>>> luxuries, not necessities, in my opinion. Asking for just a couple >>>>>>>>> pieces of equipment rather than the whole gamut may be less >>>>>>>>> complicated/bureaucratic. >>>>>>>>> 2. Does your school have an office for blind/disabled students? If >>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>> they very well might have equipment for loan, like computers, and >>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>> should have public-access scanners that you can walk in and use. If >>>>>>>>> not, find out if there's anywhere else on campus (like the bookstore >>>>>>>>> or library) where you can borrow or rent a computer for low or no >>>>>>>>> cost. Perhaps family members or friends might have extra computers >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> can borrow? Once you have the computer, you should be able to >>>>>>>>> download >>>>>>>>> a free open-source screen reader to use with it. >>>>>>>>> 2. The NFB has a technology loan program and your NFB affiliate >>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>> have one too. Call the NFB Braille and Technology Center at >>>>>>>>> 410-659-9314 for details. Of course borrowing equipment for free is >>>>>>>>> better than racking up interest, but it could be a last-resort, >>>>>>>>> temporary option. >>>>>>>>> 3. If you can't get a portable computer, see if any of the public >>>>>>>>> computers on your campus are accessible (all Mac's are out of the >>>>>>>>> box). What you may need to do in a pinch is use a voice recorder in >>>>>>>>> class and then use the public computer for assignments. >>>>>>>>> 4. Remember that >>>>>>>>> www.rfbd.org >>>>>>>>> provides books in audio format, and >>>>>>>>> www.bookshare.org >>>>>>>>> provides books for free in a text format that you can read on a >>>>>>>>> regular computer (either the public computer or a rented one). >>>>>>>>> 5. Don't forget that readers are low-tech and relatively cheap >>>>>>>>> (usually $7 per hour) and if your school has a community service >>>>>>>>> club, >>>>>>>>> you might be able to find volunteer readers. If rehab is >>>>>>>>> uncooperative, your school (either the disability resource center or >>>>>>>>> the department of your major) may be willing to help pay for >>>>>>>>> readers, >>>>>>>>> at least initially while you wait for equipment. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In short, while you should definitely nag rehab to get you what you >>>>>>>>> need (especially the laptop, scanner, and perhaps an audio book >>>>>>>>> player >>>>>>>>> like a Stream), rehab isn't, and shouldn't be, your only option. I >>>>>>>>> think the only piece of equipment that's really mission-critical is >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> computer, and that can be either a personal computer or a public >>>>>>>>> computer. Even your local public library might have a public >>>>>>>>> computer >>>>>>>>> you can use. I'd recommend staying in your classes if at all >>>>>>>>> possible. >>>>>>>>> Textbooks can be read with readers (readers can even be students in >>>>>>>>> your classes, who have to read the books anyway), or with a public >>>>>>>>> scanner (which might be available in the library or DRC). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best of luck and please keep us posted on your progress. >>>>>>>>> Arielle >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7/22/10, William ODonnell wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I would have to say that I agree with Joe on many of the points he >>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>> made. >>>>>>>>>> Also, keep some things “off record” with your councilor. I am >>>>>>>>>> referring >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> the suggestions of you purchasing a net book that you provided in >>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>> email. Remember the following approach: don’t ask, don’t tell or >>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> give any additional information than requested. >>>>>>>>>> In addition, always copy a supervisor when you’re documenting so >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> context >>>>>>>>>> of what you discuss is not altered or misrepresented at a later >>>>>>>>>> date. >>>>>>>>>> Finally, investigate whether or not your local independent living >>>>>>>>>> center >>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>> advocates that will speak on your behalf. >>>>>>>>>> Note: some colleges and universities have laptops or net books that >>>>>>>>>> disabled >>>>>>>>>> students can reserve from there DSS office for use during class. >>>>>>>>>> In >>>>>>>>>> regard >>>>>>>>>> to readers or reading services, some organizations for the blind as >>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>> community centers have people from the community who volunteer who >>>>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>>>> assist you. In addition, check with your college or university to >>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>> you can post an add requesting for volunteers to assist you when >>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> the essence and your accommodations/equipment is not available. I >>>>>>>>>> say >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> following since it is a reality. Note: I do not want to discourage >>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>> scare >>>>>>>>>> you; however, throughout your college career, you will learn and >>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> you will need to liquidate all avenues since many times you will >>>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>>> faulty services and accommodations while meeting important >>>>>>>>>> deadlines >>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>> other student. You will need to be strong and always be your own >>>>>>>>>> advocate >>>>>>>>>> while never losing focus with your agenda. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Joe Orozco wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From: Joe Orozco >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:30 AM >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jewel, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I see online that North Carolina just started a new fiscal >>>>>>>>>>> year. This is >>>>>>>>>>> bad, because this is when agencies can afford to lapse a >>>>>>>>>>> little. If I were >>>>>>>>>>> you, and taking your budget into consideration, this is my >>>>>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>>>>> recommendation: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 1. Take Justin's suggestion and go straight to the director >>>>>>>>>>> of that field >>>>>>>>>>> office. It's not your job to ease this counselor into >>>>>>>>>>> her new position. >>>>>>>>>>> Your first priority is getting what you need to be ready >>>>>>>>>>> for school. Put >>>>>>>>>>> your communications to the director in writing. Say >>>>>>>>>>> in your first e-mail >>>>>>>>>>> that you will follow up via telephone in a few days to talk >>>>>>>>>>> about what can >>>>>>>>>>> be done. Later, after your phone call, send another >>>>>>>>>>> e-mail summarizing what >>>>>>>>>>> was talked about. Always keep a written record of >>>>>>>>>>> your communications. In >>>>>>>>>>> the letter you should give a brief summary of the events to >>>>>>>>>>> this point, but >>>>>>>>>>> I would spend more time listing the equipment you need and >>>>>>>>>>> a good >>>>>>>>>>> justification for why you need them. This may >>>>>>>>>>> somewhat minimize the need >>>>>>>>>>> for an assessment if you can give concrete reasons for why >>>>>>>>>>> the products are >>>>>>>>>>> required. Also, rank your products in order of most >>>>>>>>>>> important. The Victor >>>>>>>>>>> Stream, for example, may be a necessity, but it could >>>>>>>>>>> probably go near or at >>>>>>>>>>> the bottom since your top priority is the ability to take >>>>>>>>>>> notes in class. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Locate the individual or office that handles technology >>>>>>>>>>> assessments. The >>>>>>>>>>> more people you have inquiring into your case, the better, >>>>>>>>>>> and even if they >>>>>>>>>>> say they need to hear from your counselor, when your >>>>>>>>>>> counselor calls the >>>>>>>>>>> people will be familiar with you and have more of an >>>>>>>>>>> incentive to act. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Talk to your NFB affiliate president. He or she >>>>>>>>>>> may know of someone >>>>>>>>>>> working in the agency who can look into your case. >>>>>>>>>>> The affiliate should >>>>>>>>>>> also prove to be a good advocate on your behalf. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 4. Locate your nearest Lions Club. They may be able >>>>>>>>>>> to step in and help >>>>>>>>>>> with the cost of a netbook. If you can get that, you >>>>>>>>>>> can use one of the >>>>>>>>>>> free or reasonably priced screen readers while you wait for >>>>>>>>>>> your other >>>>>>>>>>> technology to arrive. The main thing is to get you >>>>>>>>>>> something for the first >>>>>>>>>>> day of class, and I think your Lions Club or Rotary Club >>>>>>>>>>> should be able to >>>>>>>>>>> generate $300 on your behalf. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is, at least, a start. I'm in a bit of a rush >>>>>>>>>>> but can offer more later >>>>>>>>>>> if you're still in a bind. Hopefully others will >>>>>>>>>>> chime in as well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best of luck, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Joe >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up >>>>>>>>>>> their sleeves, >>>>>>>>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at >>>>>>>>>>> all."--Sam Ewing >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Jewel S. >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM >>>>>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. >>>>>>>>>>> I begin >>>>>>>>>>> classes August 16, and have been working toward getting >>>>>>>>>>> some needed >>>>>>>>>>> equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a >>>>>>>>>>> refreshable >>>>>>>>>>> Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette >>>>>>>>>>> embosser, a >>>>>>>>>>> scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury >>>>>>>>>>> (spelling?), and JAWS >>>>>>>>>>> for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my >>>>>>>>>>> side to get >>>>>>>>>>> this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned >>>>>>>>>>> recently to a >>>>>>>>>>> new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first >>>>>>>>>>> position). >>>>>>>>>>> She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let >>>>>>>>>>> alone how >>>>>>>>>>> to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for >>>>>>>>>>> review of >>>>>>>>>>> my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> information, despite him having stated that I needed an >>>>>>>>>>> assessment >>>>>>>>>>> with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I >>>>>>>>>>> asked him what >>>>>>>>>>> the next step was again that he said that my counselor >>>>>>>>>>> should have set >>>>>>>>>>> up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, >>>>>>>>>>> he had >>>>>>>>>>> said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I >>>>>>>>>>> needed to >>>>>>>>>>> just wait for the referral to go through). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the >>>>>>>>>>> referral done, the >>>>>>>>>>> paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At >>>>>>>>>>> first, they >>>>>>>>>>> told me it would take two to three weeks to get the >>>>>>>>>>> equipment. Then >>>>>>>>>>> they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take >>>>>>>>>>> up to two >>>>>>>>>>> months! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the >>>>>>>>>>> equipment I >>>>>>>>>>> need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than >>>>>>>>>>> getting a >>>>>>>>>>> notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my >>>>>>>>>>> slate and >>>>>>>>>>> stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate >>>>>>>>>>> for a few >>>>>>>>>>> lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very >>>>>>>>>>> badly, so I >>>>>>>>>>> don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have >>>>>>>>>>> a voice >>>>>>>>>>> recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds >>>>>>>>>>> to purchase >>>>>>>>>>> one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my >>>>>>>>>>> equipment >>>>>>>>>>> comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to >>>>>>>>>>> mean that >>>>>>>>>>> I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has >>>>>>>>>>> suggested places >>>>>>>>>>> to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it >>>>>>>>>>> also. When I >>>>>>>>>>> asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop >>>>>>>>>>> promised me >>>>>>>>>>> by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the >>>>>>>>>>> laptop I would >>>>>>>>>>> purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if >>>>>>>>>>> it's used, how >>>>>>>>>>> can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for >>>>>>>>>>> such a >>>>>>>>>>> laptop? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? >>>>>>>>>>> SWhat should >>>>>>>>>>> I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, >>>>>>>>>>> who should I >>>>>>>>>>> bring this up with? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a >>>>>>>>>>> way to record >>>>>>>>>>> the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or >>>>>>>>>>> complete >>>>>>>>>>> worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on >>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>> students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and >>>>>>>>>>> will not be >>>>>>>>>>> able to participate when the class reads the books. I might >>>>>>>>>>> as well >>>>>>>>>>> not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From >>>>>>>>>>> what DSB is >>>>>>>>>>> telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before >>>>>>>>>>> I get any >>>>>>>>>>> of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a >>>>>>>>>>> reasonable >>>>>>>>>>> accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes >>>>>>>>>>> and wait >>>>>>>>>>> until next semester? I will not be able to participate >>>>>>>>>>> appropriately >>>>>>>>>>> in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be >>>>>>>>>>> drastically >>>>>>>>>>> effected by this. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Any advice, please? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yours, >>>>>>>>>>> Jewel Shuping >>>>>>>>>>> Wake Tech Community College >>>>>>>>>>> Raleigh, NC >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>>>>>>>> account >>>>>>>>>>> info for nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>>>>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> To 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http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Arielle Silverman >>>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>>> Phone: 602-502-2255 >>>> Email: >>>> nabs.president at gmail.com >>>> Website: >>>> www.nabslink.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Arielle Silverman >> President, National Association of Blind Students >> Phone: 602-502-2255 >> Email: >> nabs.president at gmail.com >> Website: >> www.nabslink.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jul 25 02:13:48 2010 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 22:13:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com><721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Briley, A rehab agency will not buy duplicate equipment serving the same purpose especially in tight budget times. A laptop with braille display or braille notetaker serve the same purpose; both provide that braille output Jewel said would be most conducive to learning. So no they won't buy a laptop with braille display and braille notetaker. However I have heard of VR clients receiving a braille notetaker and laptop, but nothing external with the laptop such as braille display. If you have a braille notetaker you can use its display hooked up to a computer and I imagine you could hook it to a laptop too. Having equipment serving the same function is hard to justify. Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Briley Pollard" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment If you will be most successful with a notetaker and lap-top, they will get you both. It won't be difficult to justify. Stick to your guns. You'll get what you need. Briley On Jul 24, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Jewel S. wrote: > DSB told me that they would get either a Braille notetaker OR a laptop > with a refreshable Braille display, but not both. > > ~Jewel > > On 7/24/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> Hi Jewel, >> >> I wonder if you can ask for a laptop with JAWS, a Braille notetaker, >> and a scanner. That's the setup I use and I've been very pleased with >> it-electronic books and notes can be read on the Braille Note's >> Braille display, while the laptop can be used for the third-party >> applications you described. I tried bringing a Braille embosser to >> college my first year, and I found myself never using it since I had >> Braille access on my notetaker and, as you mention, Brailling >> textbooks yourself is quite labor-intensive. >> >> Best of luck! >> Arielle >> >> On 7/24/10, Jewel S. wrote: >>> Thanks for that clarification. I requested either a Braille notetaker >>> (such as the PacMate or BrailleNote) or a laptop with a refreshable >>> Braille display. The person who did the initial assessment thought a >>> laptop and refreshable Braille display would be a better set-up than a >>> Braille notetaker for flexibility, ease of use, and usability with >>> third-party programs such as my DaybyDay planning calendar. I agreed >>> with this assessment, though if they gave me a Braille notetaker >>> instead of the laptop-Braille display combination, I would not turn it >>> down and would work with it I think about equally as well. My concern >>> is that if I get a laptop, I must have a way to read my books and >>> notes in Braille. The embosser will help with this, but putting my >>> textbooks and notes all in hard-copy Braille is not feasible, I think, >>> and a waste of paper. But I simply cannot listen to long segments of >>> audio, especially when I'm supposed to be listening to the professor >>> (I know I can read the book ahead of time, but in my Spanish class, at >>> least, we will be doing a lot of reading aloud). >>> >>> I'm hoping to be on my way with getting this resolved Monday. It's >>> really frustrating and I'm impatient about the weekend. >>> >>> I do appreciate everyone's input on this. It has given me many things >>> to think about and some encouragement that I should be getting what I >>> need for school. >>> >>> ~Jewel >>> >>> On 7/24/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I think what I meant by "luxury" is the large Braille display that >>>> connects to a computer. While these are ideal, I think you can get >>>> almost the same degree of access with a portable Braille notetaker >>>> with a Braille display, such as a Braille Note or Pac Mate, and I >>>> believe portable notetakers are also cheaper than Braille display >>>> computer hookups. Jewel, I don't remember if you had requested both a >>>> Braille notetaker and a Braille display in your original equipment >>>> setup, but if you find yourself needing to negotiate, the Braille >>>> notetaker will give you lots of Braille functionality whether you >>>> choose to read your books on it or listen and take notes in Braille, >>>> as I do. >>>> >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>> On 7/23/10, Jewel S. wrote: >>>>> Thank you for this resource. I wil lread it; it looks good. I can >>>>> quote it in my complaints, I'm sure. >>>>> >>>>> ~Jewel >>>>> >>>>> On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>>>> Hi again, >>>>>> >>>>>> This resource is long, but really highlights Voc Rehab's >>>>>> responsibilities >>>>>> with specific RSA situations. This should help you a great deal. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.nls.org/vrron.htm >>>>>> >>>>>> Briley >>>>>> On Jul 23, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Jewel S. wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> This is my feelings also. I do not think the refreshable Braille >>>>>>> display is a luxury, but an essential tool for my learning. I am a >>>>>>> visual and tactile learner, and have a lot of trouble learning by >>>>>>> audio teaching only. I often have to re-read what JAWS has read to >>>>>>> me >>>>>>> several times, and have to rewind audio books if I have the least >>>>>>> distraction (such as someone making a comment to me or the radio or >>>>>>> tv >>>>>>> or pretty much any background noise can distract me). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A quick update. They want to do an accessment (laptop or PDA). I'm >>>>>>> going to ask about justifying just getting the laptop, as I think >>>>>>> it'll be the easiest way to go (more compatibility with programs, >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> connection with other students, less expensive for DSB, more >>>>>>> versatile >>>>>>> in future programs that I purchase). The supervisor was not in >>>>>>> today; >>>>>>> I will speak to him on Monday and get this all straightened out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ~Jewel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I just wanted to offer that I don't agree that a Braille display is >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> "luxury", and that you shouldn't push for Voc Rehab to provide it. >>>>>>>> Is >>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>> print a "luxury", for sighted students? No. If Braille is your >>>>>>>> preferred >>>>>>>> reading medium, you shouldn't be forced to just get by with only >>>>>>>> audio >>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>> that is not how you best learn. They would never send a sighted >>>>>>>> student >>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>> to college and say, "Good luck getting by with no print books." Voc >>>>>>>> Rehab >>>>>>>> can provide this for you, and moving up the chain of command will >>>>>>>> achieve >>>>>>>> the quickest results. Every regional office has specific complaint >>>>>>>> procedures which you can request in writing from your councilor's >>>>>>>> manager. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just my thoughts, >>>>>>>> Briley >>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Jewel and all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is an old story that I've heard way too many times from >>>>>>>>> students. >>>>>>>>> Your counselor's actions (or non-actions) are ridiculous and >>>>>>>>> definitely need to be addressed with her supervisor(s). In the >>>>>>>>> meantime, though, I think it's important to come up with a plan B >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> doesn't involve DSB at all, at least while you're waiting. A few >>>>>>>>> ideas: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. With rehab, I'd focus on getting the computer and scanner. The >>>>>>>>> refreshable Braille display and embosser are nice, but they're >>>>>>>>> luxuries, not necessities, in my opinion. Asking for just a couple >>>>>>>>> pieces of equipment rather than the whole gamut may be less >>>>>>>>> complicated/bureaucratic. >>>>>>>>> 2. Does your school have an office for blind/disabled students? If >>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>> they very well might have equipment for loan, like computers, and >>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>> should have public-access scanners that you can walk in and use. >>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>> not, find out if there's anywhere else on campus (like the >>>>>>>>> bookstore >>>>>>>>> or library) where you can borrow or rent a computer for low or no >>>>>>>>> cost. Perhaps family members or friends might have extra computers >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> can borrow? Once you have the computer, you should be able to >>>>>>>>> download >>>>>>>>> a free open-source screen reader to use with it. >>>>>>>>> 2. The NFB has a technology loan program and your NFB affiliate >>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>> have one too. Call the NFB Braille and Technology Center at >>>>>>>>> 410-659-9314 for details. Of course borrowing equipment for free >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> better than racking up interest, but it could be a last-resort, >>>>>>>>> temporary option. >>>>>>>>> 3. If you can't get a portable computer, see if any of the public >>>>>>>>> computers on your campus are accessible (all Mac's are out of the >>>>>>>>> box). What you may need to do in a pinch is use a voice recorder >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> class and then use the public computer for assignments. >>>>>>>>> 4. Remember that >>>>>>>>> www.rfbd.org >>>>>>>>> provides books in audio format, and >>>>>>>>> www.bookshare.org >>>>>>>>> provides books for free in a text format that you can read on a >>>>>>>>> regular computer (either the public computer or a rented one). >>>>>>>>> 5. Don't forget that readers are low-tech and relatively cheap >>>>>>>>> (usually $7 per hour) and if your school has a community service >>>>>>>>> club, >>>>>>>>> you might be able to find volunteer readers. If rehab is >>>>>>>>> uncooperative, your school (either the disability resource center >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> the department of your major) may be willing to help pay for >>>>>>>>> readers, >>>>>>>>> at least initially while you wait for equipment. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In short, while you should definitely nag rehab to get you what >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> need (especially the laptop, scanner, and perhaps an audio book >>>>>>>>> player >>>>>>>>> like a Stream), rehab isn't, and shouldn't be, your only option. I >>>>>>>>> think the only piece of equipment that's really mission-critical >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> computer, and that can be either a personal computer or a public >>>>>>>>> computer. Even your local public library might have a public >>>>>>>>> computer >>>>>>>>> you can use. I'd recommend staying in your classes if at all >>>>>>>>> possible. >>>>>>>>> Textbooks can be read with readers (readers can even be students >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> your classes, who have to read the books anyway), or with a public >>>>>>>>> scanner (which might be available in the library or DRC). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best of luck and please keep us posted on your progress. >>>>>>>>> Arielle >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7/22/10, William ODonnell wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I would have to say that I agree with Joe on many of the points >>>>>>>>>> he >>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>> made. >>>>>>>>>> Also, keep some things “off record” with your councilor. I am >>>>>>>>>> referring >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> the suggestions of you purchasing a net book that you provided in >>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>> email. Remember the following approach: don’t ask, don’t tell or >>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> give any additional information than requested. >>>>>>>>>> In addition, always copy a supervisor when you’re documenting so >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> context >>>>>>>>>> of what you discuss is not altered or misrepresented at a later >>>>>>>>>> date. >>>>>>>>>> Finally, investigate whether or not your local independent living >>>>>>>>>> center >>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>> advocates that will speak on your behalf. >>>>>>>>>> Note: some colleges and universities have laptops or net books >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> disabled >>>>>>>>>> students can reserve from there DSS office for use during class. >>>>>>>>>> In >>>>>>>>>> regard >>>>>>>>>> to readers or reading services, some organizations for the blind >>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>> community centers have people from the community who volunteer >>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>>>> assist you. In addition, check with your college or university >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>> you can post an add requesting for volunteers to assist you when >>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> the essence and your accommodations/equipment is not available. >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> say >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> following since it is a reality. Note: I do not want to >>>>>>>>>> discourage >>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>> scare >>>>>>>>>> you; however, throughout your college career, you will learn and >>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> you will need to liquidate all avenues since many times you will >>>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>>> faulty services and accommodations while meeting important >>>>>>>>>> deadlines >>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>> other student. You will need to be strong and always be your own >>>>>>>>>> advocate >>>>>>>>>> while never losing focus with your agenda. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Joe Orozco wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From: Joe Orozco >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:30 AM >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jewel, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I see online that North Carolina just started a new fiscal >>>>>>>>>>> year. This is >>>>>>>>>>> bad, because this is when agencies can afford to lapse a >>>>>>>>>>> little. If I were >>>>>>>>>>> you, and taking your budget into consideration, this is my >>>>>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>>>>> recommendation: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 1. Take Justin's suggestion and go straight to the director >>>>>>>>>>> of that field >>>>>>>>>>> office. It's not your job to ease this counselor into >>>>>>>>>>> her new position. >>>>>>>>>>> Your first priority is getting what you need to be ready >>>>>>>>>>> for school. Put >>>>>>>>>>> your communications to the director in writing. Say >>>>>>>>>>> in your first e-mail >>>>>>>>>>> that you will follow up via telephone in a few days to talk >>>>>>>>>>> about what can >>>>>>>>>>> be done. Later, after your phone call, send another >>>>>>>>>>> e-mail summarizing what >>>>>>>>>>> was talked about. Always keep a written record of >>>>>>>>>>> your communications. In >>>>>>>>>>> the letter you should give a brief summary of the events to >>>>>>>>>>> this point, but >>>>>>>>>>> I would spend more time listing the equipment you need and >>>>>>>>>>> a good >>>>>>>>>>> justification for why you need them. This may >>>>>>>>>>> somewhat minimize the need >>>>>>>>>>> for an assessment if you can give concrete reasons for why >>>>>>>>>>> the products are >>>>>>>>>>> required. Also, rank your products in order of most >>>>>>>>>>> important. The Victor >>>>>>>>>>> Stream, for example, may be a necessity, but it could >>>>>>>>>>> probably go near or at >>>>>>>>>>> the bottom since your top priority is the ability to take >>>>>>>>>>> notes in class. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Locate the individual or office that handles technology >>>>>>>>>>> assessments. The >>>>>>>>>>> more people you have inquiring into your case, the better, >>>>>>>>>>> and even if they >>>>>>>>>>> say they need to hear from your counselor, when your >>>>>>>>>>> counselor calls the >>>>>>>>>>> people will be familiar with you and have more of an >>>>>>>>>>> incentive to act. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 3. Talk to your NFB affiliate president. He or she >>>>>>>>>>> may know of someone >>>>>>>>>>> working in the agency who can look into your case. >>>>>>>>>>> The affiliate should >>>>>>>>>>> also prove to be a good advocate on your behalf. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 4. Locate your nearest Lions Club. They may be able >>>>>>>>>>> to step in and help >>>>>>>>>>> with the cost of a netbook. If you can get that, you >>>>>>>>>>> can use one of the >>>>>>>>>>> free or reasonably priced screen readers while you wait for >>>>>>>>>>> your other >>>>>>>>>>> technology to arrive. The main thing is to get you >>>>>>>>>>> something for the first >>>>>>>>>>> day of class, and I think your Lions Club or Rotary Club >>>>>>>>>>> should be able to >>>>>>>>>>> generate $300 on your behalf. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is, at least, a start. I'm in a bit of a rush >>>>>>>>>>> but can offer more later >>>>>>>>>>> if you're still in a bind. Hopefully others will >>>>>>>>>>> chime in as well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best of luck, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Joe >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up >>>>>>>>>>> their sleeves, >>>>>>>>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at >>>>>>>>>>> all."--Sam Ewing >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Jewel S. >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM >>>>>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. >>>>>>>>>>> I begin >>>>>>>>>>> classes August 16, and have been working toward getting >>>>>>>>>>> some needed >>>>>>>>>>> equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a >>>>>>>>>>> refreshable >>>>>>>>>>> Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette >>>>>>>>>>> embosser, a >>>>>>>>>>> scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury >>>>>>>>>>> (spelling?), and JAWS >>>>>>>>>>> for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my >>>>>>>>>>> side to get >>>>>>>>>>> this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned >>>>>>>>>>> recently to a >>>>>>>>>>> new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first >>>>>>>>>>> position). >>>>>>>>>>> She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let >>>>>>>>>>> alone how >>>>>>>>>>> to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for >>>>>>>>>>> review of >>>>>>>>>>> my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> information, despite him having stated that I needed an >>>>>>>>>>> assessment >>>>>>>>>>> with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I >>>>>>>>>>> asked him what >>>>>>>>>>> the next step was again that he said that my counselor >>>>>>>>>>> should have set >>>>>>>>>>> up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, >>>>>>>>>>> he had >>>>>>>>>>> said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I >>>>>>>>>>> needed to >>>>>>>>>>> just wait for the referral to go through). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the >>>>>>>>>>> referral done, the >>>>>>>>>>> paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At >>>>>>>>>>> first, they >>>>>>>>>>> told me it would take two to three weeks to get the >>>>>>>>>>> equipment. Then >>>>>>>>>>> they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take >>>>>>>>>>> up to two >>>>>>>>>>> months! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the >>>>>>>>>>> equipment I >>>>>>>>>>> need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than >>>>>>>>>>> getting a >>>>>>>>>>> notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my >>>>>>>>>>> slate and >>>>>>>>>>> stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate >>>>>>>>>>> for a few >>>>>>>>>>> lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very >>>>>>>>>>> badly, so I >>>>>>>>>>> don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have >>>>>>>>>>> a voice >>>>>>>>>>> recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds >>>>>>>>>>> to purchase >>>>>>>>>>> one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my >>>>>>>>>>> equipment >>>>>>>>>>> comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to >>>>>>>>>>> mean that >>>>>>>>>>> I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has >>>>>>>>>>> suggested places >>>>>>>>>>> to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it >>>>>>>>>>> also. When I >>>>>>>>>>> asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop >>>>>>>>>>> promised me >>>>>>>>>>> by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the >>>>>>>>>>> laptop I would >>>>>>>>>>> purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if >>>>>>>>>>> it's used, how >>>>>>>>>>> can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for >>>>>>>>>>> such a >>>>>>>>>>> laptop? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? >>>>>>>>>>> SWhat should >>>>>>>>>>> I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, >>>>>>>>>>> who should I >>>>>>>>>>> bring this up with? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a >>>>>>>>>>> way to record >>>>>>>>>>> the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or >>>>>>>>>>> complete >>>>>>>>>>> worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on >>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>> students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and >>>>>>>>>>> will not be >>>>>>>>>>> able to participate when the class reads the books. I might >>>>>>>>>>> as well >>>>>>>>>>> not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From >>>>>>>>>>> what DSB is >>>>>>>>>>> telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before >>>>>>>>>>> I get any >>>>>>>>>>> of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a >>>>>>>>>>> reasonable >>>>>>>>>>> accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes >>>>>>>>>>> and wait >>>>>>>>>>> until next semester? I will not be able to participate >>>>>>>>>>> appropriately >>>>>>>>>>> in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be >>>>>>>>>>> drastically >>>>>>>>>>> effected by this. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Any advice, please? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yours, >>>>>>>>>>> Jewel Shuping >>>>>>>>>>> Wake Tech Community College >>>>>>>>>>> Raleigh, NC >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>>>>>>>> account >>>>>>>>>>> info for nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>>>>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> To 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-0400 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com><721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Jewel, You wouldn't need both anyway. If you have a braille notetaker you have access to the braille display and can read any text or .brf format with the display. If you have a laptop with an external braille display you have all the functions of a PC plus braille output. Arielle suggested the braille notetaker, laptop with speech access, and scanner. That seems like a good combo. But if you have a home PC you may not need the laptop for portable notetaking if you have the braille notetaker. Anyway, rehab bought me the combo Arielle has only I had a standard desktop PC not laptop. They bought me a computer, braille notetaker which is a Braille Note, and scanner with Openbook software. You want a lot of equipment. I understand why you want a Juliet embosser and Duxbury. Having hard copy braille is very helpful for studying some notes; reading on a display is just not the same. However I'd pick the top things you want and work on getting the rest later or through other funding sources. You might be able to buy used equipment such as an embosser from a friend or member of your NFB affiliate. The lions club is a great source of help as well. Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jewel S." To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment DSB told me that they would get either a Braille notetaker OR a laptop with a refreshable Braille display, but not both. ~Jewel On 7/24/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Jewel, > > I wonder if you can ask for a laptop with JAWS, a Braille notetaker, > and a scanner. That's the setup I use and I've been very pleased with > it-electronic books and notes can be read on the Braille Note's > Braille display, while the laptop can be used for the third-party > applications you described. I tried bringing a Braille embosser to > college my first year, and I found myself never using it since I had > Braille access on my notetaker and, as you mention, Brailling > textbooks yourself is quite labor-intensive. > > Best of luck! > Arielle > > On 7/24/10, Jewel S. wrote: >> Thanks for that clarification. I requested either a Braille notetaker >> (such as the PacMate or BrailleNote) or a laptop with a refreshable >> Braille display. The person who did the initial assessment thought a >> laptop and refreshable Braille display would be a better set-up than a >> Braille notetaker for flexibility, ease of use, and usability with >> third-party programs such as my DaybyDay planning calendar. I agreed >> with this assessment, though if they gave me a Braille notetaker >> instead of the laptop-Braille display combination, I would not turn it >> down and would work with it I think about equally as well. My concern >> is that if I get a laptop, I must have a way to read my books and >> notes in Braille. The embosser will help with this, but putting my >> textbooks and notes all in hard-copy Braille is not feasible, I think, >> and a waste of paper. But I simply cannot listen to long segments of >> audio, especially when I'm supposed to be listening to the professor >> (I know I can read the book ahead of time, but in my Spanish class, at >> least, we will be doing a lot of reading aloud). >> >> I'm hoping to be on my way with getting this resolved Monday. It's >> really frustrating and I'm impatient about the weekend. >> >> I do appreciate everyone's input on this. It has given me many things >> to think about and some encouragement that I should be getting what I >> need for school. >> >> ~Jewel >> >> On 7/24/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I think what I meant by "luxury" is the large Braille display that >>> connects to a computer. While these are ideal, I think you can get >>> almost the same degree of access with a portable Braille notetaker >>> with a Braille display, such as a Braille Note or Pac Mate, and I >>> believe portable notetakers are also cheaper than Braille display >>> computer hookups. Jewel, I don't remember if you had requested both a >>> Braille notetaker and a Braille display in your original equipment >>> setup, but if you find yourself needing to negotiate, the Braille >>> notetaker will give you lots of Braille functionality whether you >>> choose to read your books on it or listen and take notes in Braille, >>> as I do. >>> >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 7/23/10, Jewel S. wrote: >>>> Thank you for this resource. I wil lread it; it looks good. I can >>>> quote it in my complaints, I'm sure. >>>> >>>> ~Jewel >>>> >>>> On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>>> Hi again, >>>>> >>>>> This resource is long, but really highlights Voc Rehab's >>>>> responsibilities >>>>> with specific RSA situations. This should help you a great deal. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.nls.org/vrron.htm >>>>> >>>>> Briley >>>>> On Jul 23, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Jewel S. wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This is my feelings also. I do not think the refreshable Braille >>>>>> display is a luxury, but an essential tool for my learning. I am a >>>>>> visual and tactile learner, and have a lot of trouble learning by >>>>>> audio teaching only. I often have to re-read what JAWS has read to me >>>>>> several times, and have to rewind audio books if I have the least >>>>>> distraction (such as someone making a comment to me or the radio or >>>>>> tv >>>>>> or pretty much any background noise can distract me). >>>>>> >>>>>> A quick update. They want to do an accessment (laptop or PDA). I'm >>>>>> going to ask about justifying just getting the laptop, as I think >>>>>> it'll be the easiest way to go (more compatibility with programs, >>>>>> more >>>>>> connection with other students, less expensive for DSB, more >>>>>> versatile >>>>>> in future programs that I purchase). The supervisor was not in today; >>>>>> I will speak to him on Monday and get this all straightened out. >>>>>> >>>>>> ~Jewel >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just wanted to offer that I don't agree that a Braille display is >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> "luxury", and that you shouldn't push for Voc Rehab to provide it. >>>>>>> Is >>>>>>> having >>>>>>> print a "luxury", for sighted students? No. If Braille is your >>>>>>> preferred >>>>>>> reading medium, you shouldn't be forced to just get by with only >>>>>>> audio >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> that is not how you best learn. They would never send a sighted >>>>>>> student >>>>>>> off >>>>>>> to college and say, "Good luck getting by with no print books." Voc >>>>>>> Rehab >>>>>>> can provide this for you, and moving up the chain of command will >>>>>>> achieve >>>>>>> the quickest results. Every regional office has specific complaint >>>>>>> procedures which you can request in writing from your councilor's >>>>>>> manager. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just my thoughts, >>>>>>> Briley >>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Jewel and all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is an old story that I've heard way too many times from >>>>>>>> students. >>>>>>>> Your counselor's actions (or non-actions) are ridiculous and >>>>>>>> definitely need to be addressed with her supervisor(s). In the >>>>>>>> meantime, though, I think it's important to come up with a plan B >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> doesn't involve DSB at all, at least while you're waiting. A few >>>>>>>> ideas: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. With rehab, I'd focus on getting the computer and scanner. The >>>>>>>> refreshable Braille display and embosser are nice, but they're >>>>>>>> luxuries, not necessities, in my opinion. Asking for just a couple >>>>>>>> pieces of equipment rather than the whole gamut may be less >>>>>>>> complicated/bureaucratic. >>>>>>>> 2. Does your school have an office for blind/disabled students? If >>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>> they very well might have equipment for loan, like computers, and >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> should have public-access scanners that you can walk in and use. If >>>>>>>> not, find out if there's anywhere else on campus (like the >>>>>>>> bookstore >>>>>>>> or library) where you can borrow or rent a computer for low or no >>>>>>>> cost. Perhaps family members or friends might have extra computers >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> can borrow? Once you have the computer, you should be able to >>>>>>>> download >>>>>>>> a free open-source screen reader to use with it. >>>>>>>> 2. The NFB has a technology loan program and your NFB affiliate >>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>> have one too. Call the NFB Braille and Technology Center at >>>>>>>> 410-659-9314 for details. Of course borrowing equipment for free is >>>>>>>> better than racking up interest, but it could be a last-resort, >>>>>>>> temporary option. >>>>>>>> 3. If you can't get a portable computer, see if any of the public >>>>>>>> computers on your campus are accessible (all Mac's are out of the >>>>>>>> box). What you may need to do in a pinch is use a voice recorder in >>>>>>>> class and then use the public computer for assignments. >>>>>>>> 4. Remember that >>>>>>>> www.rfbd.org >>>>>>>> provides books in audio format, and >>>>>>>> www.bookshare.org >>>>>>>> provides books for free in a text format that you can read on a >>>>>>>> regular computer (either the public computer or a rented one). >>>>>>>> 5. Don't forget that readers are low-tech and relatively cheap >>>>>>>> (usually $7 per hour) and if your school has a community service >>>>>>>> club, >>>>>>>> you might be able to find volunteer readers. If rehab is >>>>>>>> uncooperative, your school (either the disability resource center >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> the department of your major) may be willing to help pay for >>>>>>>> readers, >>>>>>>> at least initially while you wait for equipment. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In short, while you should definitely nag rehab to get you what you >>>>>>>> need (especially the laptop, scanner, and perhaps an audio book >>>>>>>> player >>>>>>>> like a Stream), rehab isn't, and shouldn't be, your only option. I >>>>>>>> think the only piece of equipment that's really mission-critical is >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> computer, and that can be either a personal computer or a public >>>>>>>> computer. Even your local public library might have a public >>>>>>>> computer >>>>>>>> you can use. I'd recommend staying in your classes if at all >>>>>>>> possible. >>>>>>>> Textbooks can be read with readers (readers can even be students in >>>>>>>> your classes, who have to read the books anyway), or with a public >>>>>>>> scanner (which might be available in the library or DRC). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best of luck and please keep us posted on your progress. >>>>>>>> Arielle >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7/22/10, William ODonnell wrote: >>>>>>>>> I would have to say that I agree with Joe on many of the points he >>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>> made. >>>>>>>>> Also, keep some things “off record” with your councilor. I am >>>>>>>>> referring >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> the suggestions of you purchasing a net book that you provided in >>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>> email. Remember the following approach: don’t ask, don’t tell or >>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>> give any additional information than requested. >>>>>>>>> In addition, always copy a supervisor when you’re documenting so >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> context >>>>>>>>> of what you discuss is not altered or misrepresented at a later >>>>>>>>> date. >>>>>>>>> Finally, investigate whether or not your local independent living >>>>>>>>> center >>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>> advocates that will speak on your behalf. >>>>>>>>> Note: some colleges and universities have laptops or net books >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> disabled >>>>>>>>> students can reserve from there DSS office for use during class. >>>>>>>>> In >>>>>>>>> regard >>>>>>>>> to readers or reading services, some organizations for the blind >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> community centers have people from the community who volunteer who >>>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>>> assist you. In addition, check with your college or university to >>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>> you can post an add requesting for volunteers to assist you when >>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the essence and your accommodations/equipment is not available. I >>>>>>>>> say >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> following since it is a reality. Note: I do not want to >>>>>>>>> discourage >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> scare >>>>>>>>> you; however, throughout your college career, you will learn and >>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> you will need to liquidate all avenues since many times you will >>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>> faulty services and accommodations while meeting important >>>>>>>>> deadlines >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>> other student. You will need to be strong and always be your own >>>>>>>>> advocate >>>>>>>>> while never losing focus with your agenda. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Joe Orozco wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: Joe Orozco >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:30 AM >>>>>>>>>> Hi Jewel, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I see online that North Carolina just started a new fiscal >>>>>>>>>> year. This is >>>>>>>>>> bad, because this is when agencies can afford to lapse a >>>>>>>>>> little. If I were >>>>>>>>>> you, and taking your budget into consideration, this is my >>>>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>>>> recommendation: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. Take Justin's suggestion and go straight to the director >>>>>>>>>> of that field >>>>>>>>>> office. It's not your job to ease this counselor into >>>>>>>>>> her new position. >>>>>>>>>> Your first priority is getting what you need to be ready >>>>>>>>>> for school. Put >>>>>>>>>> your communications to the director in writing. Say >>>>>>>>>> in your first e-mail >>>>>>>>>> that you will follow up via telephone in a few days to talk >>>>>>>>>> about what can >>>>>>>>>> be done. Later, after your phone call, send another >>>>>>>>>> e-mail summarizing what >>>>>>>>>> was talked about. Always keep a written record of >>>>>>>>>> your communications. In >>>>>>>>>> the letter you should give a brief summary of the events to >>>>>>>>>> this point, but >>>>>>>>>> I would spend more time listing the equipment you need and >>>>>>>>>> a good >>>>>>>>>> justification for why you need them. This may >>>>>>>>>> somewhat minimize the need >>>>>>>>>> for an assessment if you can give concrete reasons for why >>>>>>>>>> the products are >>>>>>>>>> required. Also, rank your products in order of most >>>>>>>>>> important. The Victor >>>>>>>>>> Stream, for example, may be a necessity, but it could >>>>>>>>>> probably go near or at >>>>>>>>>> the bottom since your top priority is the ability to take >>>>>>>>>> notes in class. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2. Locate the individual or office that handles technology >>>>>>>>>> assessments. The >>>>>>>>>> more people you have inquiring into your case, the better, >>>>>>>>>> and even if they >>>>>>>>>> say they need to hear from your counselor, when your >>>>>>>>>> counselor calls the >>>>>>>>>> people will be familiar with you and have more of an >>>>>>>>>> incentive to act. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 3. Talk to your NFB affiliate president. He or she >>>>>>>>>> may know of someone >>>>>>>>>> working in the agency who can look into your case. >>>>>>>>>> The affiliate should >>>>>>>>>> also prove to be a good advocate on your behalf. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 4. Locate your nearest Lions Club. They may be able >>>>>>>>>> to step in and help >>>>>>>>>> with the cost of a netbook. If you can get that, you >>>>>>>>>> can use one of the >>>>>>>>>> free or reasonably priced screen readers while you wait for >>>>>>>>>> your other >>>>>>>>>> technology to arrive. The main thing is to get you >>>>>>>>>> something for the first >>>>>>>>>> day of class, and I think your Lions Club or Rotary Club >>>>>>>>>> should be able to >>>>>>>>>> generate $300 on your behalf. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is, at least, a start. I'm in a bit of a rush >>>>>>>>>> but can offer more later >>>>>>>>>> if you're still in a bind. Hopefully others will >>>>>>>>>> chime in as well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best of luck, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Joe >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up >>>>>>>>>> their sleeves, >>>>>>>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at >>>>>>>>>> all."--Sam Ewing >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Jewel S. >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM >>>>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. >>>>>>>>>> I begin >>>>>>>>>> classes August 16, and have been working toward getting >>>>>>>>>> some needed >>>>>>>>>> equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a >>>>>>>>>> refreshable >>>>>>>>>> Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette >>>>>>>>>> embosser, a >>>>>>>>>> scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury >>>>>>>>>> (spelling?), and JAWS >>>>>>>>>> for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my >>>>>>>>>> side to get >>>>>>>>>> this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned >>>>>>>>>> recently to a >>>>>>>>>> new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first >>>>>>>>>> position). >>>>>>>>>> She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let >>>>>>>>>> alone how >>>>>>>>>> to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for >>>>>>>>>> review of >>>>>>>>>> my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> information, despite him having stated that I needed an >>>>>>>>>> assessment >>>>>>>>>> with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I >>>>>>>>>> asked him what >>>>>>>>>> the next step was again that he said that my counselor >>>>>>>>>> should have set >>>>>>>>>> up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, >>>>>>>>>> he had >>>>>>>>>> said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I >>>>>>>>>> needed to >>>>>>>>>> just wait for the referral to go through). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the >>>>>>>>>> referral done, the >>>>>>>>>> paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At >>>>>>>>>> first, they >>>>>>>>>> told me it would take two to three weeks to get the >>>>>>>>>> equipment. Then >>>>>>>>>> they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take >>>>>>>>>> up to two >>>>>>>>>> months! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the >>>>>>>>>> equipment I >>>>>>>>>> need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than >>>>>>>>>> getting a >>>>>>>>>> notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my >>>>>>>>>> slate and >>>>>>>>>> stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate >>>>>>>>>> for a few >>>>>>>>>> lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very >>>>>>>>>> badly, so I >>>>>>>>>> don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have >>>>>>>>>> a voice >>>>>>>>>> recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds >>>>>>>>>> to purchase >>>>>>>>>> one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my >>>>>>>>>> equipment >>>>>>>>>> comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to >>>>>>>>>> mean that >>>>>>>>>> I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has >>>>>>>>>> suggested places >>>>>>>>>> to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it >>>>>>>>>> also. When I >>>>>>>>>> asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop >>>>>>>>>> promised me >>>>>>>>>> by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the >>>>>>>>>> laptop I would >>>>>>>>>> purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if >>>>>>>>>> it's used, how >>>>>>>>>> can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for >>>>>>>>>> such a >>>>>>>>>> laptop? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? >>>>>>>>>> SWhat should >>>>>>>>>> I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, >>>>>>>>>> who should I >>>>>>>>>> bring this up with? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a >>>>>>>>>> way to record >>>>>>>>>> the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or >>>>>>>>>> complete >>>>>>>>>> worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on >>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>> students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and >>>>>>>>>> will not be >>>>>>>>>> able to participate when the class reads the books. I might >>>>>>>>>> as well >>>>>>>>>> not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From >>>>>>>>>> what DSB is >>>>>>>>>> telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before >>>>>>>>>> I get any >>>>>>>>>> of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a >>>>>>>>>> reasonable >>>>>>>>>> accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes >>>>>>>>>> and wait >>>>>>>>>> until next semester? I will not be able to participate >>>>>>>>>> appropriately >>>>>>>>>> in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be >>>>>>>>>> drastically >>>>>>>>>> effected by this. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Any advice, please? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yours, >>>>>>>>>> Jewel Shuping >>>>>>>>>> Wake Tech Community College >>>>>>>>>> Raleigh, NC >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>>>>>>> account >>>>>>>>>> info for nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>>>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your 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at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Arielle Silverman > President, National Association of Blind Students > Phone: 602-502-2255 > Email: > nabs.president at gmail.com > Website: > www.nabslink.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From brileyp at gmail.com Sun Jul 25 03:31:22 2010 From: brileyp at gmail.com (Briley Pollard) Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 22:31:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com><721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <09D5014C-37B6-4403-BEFC-48604001C7B2@gmail.com> A notetaker and a netbook do not serve the same purpose since they don't perform the same functions. They fulfill separate but equally important educational needs. Briley On Jul 24, 2010, at 9:13 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Briley, > A rehab agency will not buy duplicate equipment serving the same purpose especially in tight budget times. A > laptop with braille display or > braille notetaker serve the same purpose; both provide that braille output Jewel said would be most conducive to learning. > So no they won't buy a laptop with braille display and braille notetaker. However I have heard of VR clients receiving a braille notetaker and laptop, but nothing external with the laptop such as braille display. If you have a braille notetaker you can use its display > hooked up to a computer and I imagine you could hook it to a laptop too. > Having equipment serving the same function is hard to justify. > > Ashley > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Briley Pollard" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 8:37 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment > > > If you will be most successful with a notetaker and lap-top, they will get you both. It won't be difficult to justify. Stick to your guns. You'll get what you need. > > Briley > On Jul 24, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Jewel S. wrote: > >> DSB told me that they would get either a Braille notetaker OR a laptop >> with a refreshable Braille display, but not both. >> >> ~Jewel >> >> On 7/24/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> Hi Jewel, >>> >>> I wonder if you can ask for a laptop with JAWS, a Braille notetaker, >>> and a scanner. That's the setup I use and I've been very pleased with >>> it-electronic books and notes can be read on the Braille Note's >>> Braille display, while the laptop can be used for the third-party >>> applications you described. I tried bringing a Braille embosser to >>> college my first year, and I found myself never using it since I had >>> Braille access on my notetaker and, as you mention, Brailling >>> textbooks yourself is quite labor-intensive. >>> >>> Best of luck! >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 7/24/10, Jewel S. wrote: >>>> Thanks for that clarification. I requested either a Braille notetaker >>>> (such as the PacMate or BrailleNote) or a laptop with a refreshable >>>> Braille display. The person who did the initial assessment thought a >>>> laptop and refreshable Braille display would be a better set-up than a >>>> Braille notetaker for flexibility, ease of use, and usability with >>>> third-party programs such as my DaybyDay planning calendar. I agreed >>>> with this assessment, though if they gave me a Braille notetaker >>>> instead of the laptop-Braille display combination, I would not turn it >>>> down and would work with it I think about equally as well. My concern >>>> is that if I get a laptop, I must have a way to read my books and >>>> notes in Braille. The embosser will help with this, but putting my >>>> textbooks and notes all in hard-copy Braille is not feasible, I think, >>>> and a waste of paper. But I simply cannot listen to long segments of >>>> audio, especially when I'm supposed to be listening to the professor >>>> (I know I can read the book ahead of time, but in my Spanish class, at >>>> least, we will be doing a lot of reading aloud). >>>> >>>> I'm hoping to be on my way with getting this resolved Monday. It's >>>> really frustrating and I'm impatient about the weekend. >>>> >>>> I do appreciate everyone's input on this. It has given me many things >>>> to think about and some encouragement that I should be getting what I >>>> need for school. >>>> >>>> ~Jewel >>>> >>>> On 7/24/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I think what I meant by "luxury" is the large Braille display that >>>>> connects to a computer. While these are ideal, I think you can get >>>>> almost the same degree of access with a portable Braille notetaker >>>>> with a Braille display, such as a Braille Note or Pac Mate, and I >>>>> believe portable notetakers are also cheaper than Braille display >>>>> computer hookups. Jewel, I don't remember if you had requested both a >>>>> Braille notetaker and a Braille display in your original equipment >>>>> setup, but if you find yourself needing to negotiate, the Braille >>>>> notetaker will give you lots of Braille functionality whether you >>>>> choose to read your books on it or listen and take notes in Braille, >>>>> as I do. >>>>> >>>>> Arielle >>>>> >>>>> On 7/23/10, Jewel S. wrote: >>>>>> Thank you for this resource. I wil lread it; it looks good. I can >>>>>> quote it in my complaints, I'm sure. >>>>>> >>>>>> ~Jewel >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>>>>> Hi again, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This resource is long, but really highlights Voc Rehab's >>>>>>> responsibilities >>>>>>> with specific RSA situations. This should help you a great deal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.nls.org/vrron.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Briley >>>>>>> On Jul 23, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Jewel S. wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is my feelings also. I do not think the refreshable Braille >>>>>>>> display is a luxury, but an essential tool for my learning. I am a >>>>>>>> visual and tactile learner, and have a lot of trouble learning by >>>>>>>> audio teaching only. I often have to re-read what JAWS has read to me >>>>>>>> several times, and have to rewind audio books if I have the least >>>>>>>> distraction (such as someone making a comment to me or the radio or tv >>>>>>>> or pretty much any background noise can distract me). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A quick update. They want to do an accessment (laptop or PDA). I'm >>>>>>>> going to ask about justifying just getting the laptop, as I think >>>>>>>> it'll be the easiest way to go (more compatibility with programs, more >>>>>>>> connection with other students, less expensive for DSB, more versatile >>>>>>>> in future programs that I purchase). The supervisor was not in today; >>>>>>>> I will speak to him on Monday and get this all straightened out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ~Jewel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just wanted to offer that I don't agree that a Braille display is a >>>>>>>>> "luxury", and that you shouldn't push for Voc Rehab to provide it. Is >>>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>>> print a "luxury", for sighted students? No. If Braille is your >>>>>>>>> preferred >>>>>>>>> reading medium, you shouldn't be forced to just get by with only >>>>>>>>> audio >>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>> that is not how you best learn. They would never send a sighted >>>>>>>>> student >>>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>>> to college and say, "Good luck getting by with no print books." Voc >>>>>>>>> Rehab >>>>>>>>> can provide this for you, and moving up the chain of command will >>>>>>>>> achieve >>>>>>>>> the quickest results. Every regional office has specific complaint >>>>>>>>> procedures which you can request in writing from your councilor's >>>>>>>>> manager. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just my thoughts, >>>>>>>>> Briley >>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Jewel and all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is an old story that I've heard way too many times from >>>>>>>>>> students. >>>>>>>>>> Your counselor's actions (or non-actions) are ridiculous and >>>>>>>>>> definitely need to be addressed with her supervisor(s). In the >>>>>>>>>> meantime, though, I think it's important to come up with a plan B >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> doesn't involve DSB at all, at least while you're waiting. A few >>>>>>>>>> ideas: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. With rehab, I'd focus on getting the computer and scanner. The >>>>>>>>>> refreshable Braille display and embosser are nice, but they're >>>>>>>>>> luxuries, not necessities, in my opinion. Asking for just a couple >>>>>>>>>> pieces of equipment rather than the whole gamut may be less >>>>>>>>>> complicated/bureaucratic. >>>>>>>>>> 2. Does your school have an office for blind/disabled students? If >>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>> they very well might have equipment for loan, like computers, and >>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>> should have public-access scanners that you can walk in and use. If >>>>>>>>>> not, find out if there's anywhere else on campus (like the bookstore >>>>>>>>>> or library) where you can borrow or rent a computer for low or no >>>>>>>>>> cost. Perhaps family members or friends might have extra computers >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> can borrow? Once you have the computer, you should be able to >>>>>>>>>> download >>>>>>>>>> a free open-source screen reader to use with it. >>>>>>>>>> 2. The NFB has a technology loan program and your NFB affiliate >>>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>>> have one too. Call the NFB Braille and Technology Center at >>>>>>>>>> 410-659-9314 for details. Of course borrowing equipment for free is >>>>>>>>>> better than racking up interest, but it could be a last-resort, >>>>>>>>>> temporary option. >>>>>>>>>> 3. If you can't get a portable computer, see if any of the public >>>>>>>>>> computers on your campus are accessible (all Mac's are out of the >>>>>>>>>> box). What you may need to do in a pinch is use a voice recorder in >>>>>>>>>> class and then use the public computer for assignments. >>>>>>>>>> 4. Remember that >>>>>>>>>> www.rfbd.org >>>>>>>>>> provides books in audio format, and >>>>>>>>>> www.bookshare.org >>>>>>>>>> provides books for free in a text format that you can read on a >>>>>>>>>> regular computer (either the public computer or a rented one). >>>>>>>>>> 5. Don't forget that readers are low-tech and relatively cheap >>>>>>>>>> (usually $7 per hour) and if your school has a community service >>>>>>>>>> club, >>>>>>>>>> you might be able to find volunteer readers. If rehab is >>>>>>>>>> uncooperative, your school (either the disability resource center or >>>>>>>>>> the department of your major) may be willing to help pay for >>>>>>>>>> readers, >>>>>>>>>> at least initially while you wait for equipment. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In short, while you should definitely nag rehab to get you what you >>>>>>>>>> need (especially the laptop, scanner, and perhaps an audio book >>>>>>>>>> player >>>>>>>>>> like a Stream), rehab isn't, and shouldn't be, your only option. I >>>>>>>>>> think the only piece of equipment that's really mission-critical is >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> computer, and that can be either a personal computer or a public >>>>>>>>>> computer. Even your local public library might have a public >>>>>>>>>> computer >>>>>>>>>> you can use. I'd recommend staying in your classes if at all >>>>>>>>>> possible. >>>>>>>>>> Textbooks can be read with readers (readers can even be students in >>>>>>>>>> your classes, who have to read the books anyway), or with a public >>>>>>>>>> scanner (which might be available in the library or DRC). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best of luck and please keep us posted on your progress. >>>>>>>>>> Arielle >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 7/22/10, William ODonnell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I would have to say that I agree with Joe on many of the points he >>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>> made. >>>>>>>>>>> Also, keep some things “off record” with your councilor. I am >>>>>>>>>>> referring >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> the suggestions of you purchasing a net book that you provided in >>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>> email. Remember the following approach: don’t ask, don’t tell or >>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> give any additional information than requested. >>>>>>>>>>> In addition, always copy a supervisor when you’re documenting so >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> context >>>>>>>>>>> of what you discuss is not altered or misrepresented at a later >>>>>>>>>>> date. >>>>>>>>>>> Finally, investigate whether or not your local independent living >>>>>>>>>>> center >>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>> advocates that will speak on your behalf. >>>>>>>>>>> Note: some colleges and universities have laptops or net books that >>>>>>>>>>> disabled >>>>>>>>>>> students can reserve from there DSS office for use during class. >>>>>>>>>>> In >>>>>>>>>>> regard >>>>>>>>>>> to readers or reading services, some organizations for the blind as >>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>> community centers have people from the community who volunteer who >>>>>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>>>>> assist you. In addition, check with your college or university to >>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>> you can post an add requesting for volunteers to assist you when >>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> the essence and your accommodations/equipment is not available. I >>>>>>>>>>> say >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> following since it is a reality. Note: I do not want to discourage >>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>> scare >>>>>>>>>>> you; however, throughout your college career, you will learn and >>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> you will need to liquidate all avenues since many times you will >>>>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>>>> faulty services and accommodations while meeting important >>>>>>>>>>> deadlines >>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>> other student. You will need to be strong and always be your own >>>>>>>>>>> advocate >>>>>>>>>>> while never losing focus with your agenda. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Joe Orozco wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Joe Orozco >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:30 AM >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jewel, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I see online that North Carolina just started a new fiscal >>>>>>>>>>>> year. This is >>>>>>>>>>>> bad, because this is when agencies can afford to lapse a >>>>>>>>>>>> little. If I were >>>>>>>>>>>> you, and taking your budget into consideration, this is my >>>>>>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>>>>>> recommendation: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Take Justin's suggestion and go straight to the director >>>>>>>>>>>> of that field >>>>>>>>>>>> office. It's not your job to ease this counselor into >>>>>>>>>>>> her new position. >>>>>>>>>>>> Your first priority is getting what you need to be ready >>>>>>>>>>>> for school. Put >>>>>>>>>>>> your communications to the director in writing. Say >>>>>>>>>>>> in your first e-mail >>>>>>>>>>>> that you will follow up via telephone in a few days to talk >>>>>>>>>>>> about what can >>>>>>>>>>>> be done. Later, after your phone call, send another >>>>>>>>>>>> e-mail summarizing what >>>>>>>>>>>> was talked about. Always keep a written record of >>>>>>>>>>>> your communications. In >>>>>>>>>>>> the letter you should give a brief summary of the events to >>>>>>>>>>>> this point, but >>>>>>>>>>>> I would spend more time listing the equipment you need and >>>>>>>>>>>> a good >>>>>>>>>>>> justification for why you need them. This may >>>>>>>>>>>> somewhat minimize the need >>>>>>>>>>>> for an assessment if you can give concrete reasons for why >>>>>>>>>>>> the products are >>>>>>>>>>>> required. Also, rank your products in order of most >>>>>>>>>>>> important. The Victor >>>>>>>>>>>> Stream, for example, may be a necessity, but it could >>>>>>>>>>>> probably go near or at >>>>>>>>>>>> the bottom since your top priority is the ability to take >>>>>>>>>>>> notes in class. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Locate the individual or office that handles technology >>>>>>>>>>>> assessments. The >>>>>>>>>>>> more people you have inquiring into your case, the better, >>>>>>>>>>>> and even if they >>>>>>>>>>>> say they need to hear from your counselor, when your >>>>>>>>>>>> counselor calls the >>>>>>>>>>>> people will be familiar with you and have more of an >>>>>>>>>>>> incentive to act. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Talk to your NFB affiliate president. He or she >>>>>>>>>>>> may know of someone >>>>>>>>>>>> working in the agency who can look into your case. >>>>>>>>>>>> The affiliate should >>>>>>>>>>>> also prove to be a good advocate on your behalf. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Locate your nearest Lions Club. They may be able >>>>>>>>>>>> to step in and help >>>>>>>>>>>> with the cost of a netbook. If you can get that, you >>>>>>>>>>>> can use one of the >>>>>>>>>>>> free or reasonably priced screen readers while you wait for >>>>>>>>>>>> your other >>>>>>>>>>>> technology to arrive. The main thing is to get you >>>>>>>>>>>> something for the first >>>>>>>>>>>> day of class, and I think your Lions Club or Rotary Club >>>>>>>>>>>> should be able to >>>>>>>>>>>> generate $300 on your behalf. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is, at least, a start. I'm in a bit of a rush >>>>>>>>>>>> but can offer more later >>>>>>>>>>>> if you're still in a bind. Hopefully others will >>>>>>>>>>>> chime in as well. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best of luck, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Joe >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up >>>>>>>>>>>> their sleeves, >>>>>>>>>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at >>>>>>>>>>>> all."--Sam Ewing >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Jewel S. >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM >>>>>>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. >>>>>>>>>>>> I begin >>>>>>>>>>>> classes August 16, and have been working toward getting >>>>>>>>>>>> some needed >>>>>>>>>>>> equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a >>>>>>>>>>>> refreshable >>>>>>>>>>>> Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette >>>>>>>>>>>> embosser, a >>>>>>>>>>>> scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury >>>>>>>>>>>> (spelling?), and JAWS >>>>>>>>>>>> for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my >>>>>>>>>>>> side to get >>>>>>>>>>>> this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned >>>>>>>>>>>> recently to a >>>>>>>>>>>> new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first >>>>>>>>>>>> position). >>>>>>>>>>>> She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let >>>>>>>>>>>> alone how >>>>>>>>>>>> to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for >>>>>>>>>>>> review of >>>>>>>>>>>> my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> information, despite him having stated that I needed an >>>>>>>>>>>> assessment >>>>>>>>>>>> with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I >>>>>>>>>>>> asked him what >>>>>>>>>>>> the next step was again that he said that my counselor >>>>>>>>>>>> should have set >>>>>>>>>>>> up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, >>>>>>>>>>>> he had >>>>>>>>>>>> said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I >>>>>>>>>>>> needed to >>>>>>>>>>>> just wait for the referral to go through). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the >>>>>>>>>>>> referral done, the >>>>>>>>>>>> paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At >>>>>>>>>>>> first, they >>>>>>>>>>>> told me it would take two to three weeks to get the >>>>>>>>>>>> equipment. Then >>>>>>>>>>>> they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take >>>>>>>>>>>> up to two >>>>>>>>>>>> months! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the >>>>>>>>>>>> equipment I >>>>>>>>>>>> need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than >>>>>>>>>>>> getting a >>>>>>>>>>>> notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my >>>>>>>>>>>> slate and >>>>>>>>>>>> stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate >>>>>>>>>>>> for a few >>>>>>>>>>>> lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very >>>>>>>>>>>> badly, so I >>>>>>>>>>>> don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have >>>>>>>>>>>> a voice >>>>>>>>>>>> recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds >>>>>>>>>>>> to purchase >>>>>>>>>>>> one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my >>>>>>>>>>>> equipment >>>>>>>>>>>> comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to >>>>>>>>>>>> mean that >>>>>>>>>>>> I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has >>>>>>>>>>>> suggested places >>>>>>>>>>>> to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it >>>>>>>>>>>> also. When I >>>>>>>>>>>> asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop >>>>>>>>>>>> promised me >>>>>>>>>>>> by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the >>>>>>>>>>>> laptop I would >>>>>>>>>>>> purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if >>>>>>>>>>>> it's used, how >>>>>>>>>>>> can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for >>>>>>>>>>>> such a >>>>>>>>>>>> laptop? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? >>>>>>>>>>>> SWhat should >>>>>>>>>>>> I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, >>>>>>>>>>>> who should I >>>>>>>>>>>> bring this up with? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a >>>>>>>>>>>> way to record >>>>>>>>>>>> the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or >>>>>>>>>>>> complete >>>>>>>>>>>> worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on >>>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>> students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and >>>>>>>>>>>> will not be >>>>>>>>>>>> able to participate when the class reads the books. I might >>>>>>>>>>>> as well >>>>>>>>>>>> not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From >>>>>>>>>>>> what DSB is >>>>>>>>>>>> telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before >>>>>>>>>>>> I get any >>>>>>>>>>>> of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a >>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable >>>>>>>>>>>> accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes >>>>>>>>>>>> and wait >>>>>>>>>>>> until next semester? I will not be able to participate >>>>>>>>>>>> appropriately >>>>>>>>>>>> in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be >>>>>>>>>>>> drastically >>>>>>>>>>>> effected by this. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any advice, please? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yours, >>>>>>>>>>>> Jewel Shuping >>>>>>>>>>>> Wake Tech Community College >>>>>>>>>>>> Raleigh, NC >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>>>>>>>>> account >>>>>>>>>>>> info for nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>>>>>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>> 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nabs.president at gmail.com >>> Website: >>> www.nabslink.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com From guitargirl89 at windstream.net Sun Jul 25 16:17:06 2010 From: guitargirl89 at windstream.net (stacy timberlake) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 12:17:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: <09D5014C-37B6-4403-BEFC-48604001C7B2@gmail.com> References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com><721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> <09D5014C-37B6-4403-BEFC-48604001C7B2@gmail.com> Message-ID: When you are agreeing to accept a laptop rather than a notetaker consider whether you plan on taking notes in class or recording your classes and taking notes based on your recordings. If you plan on taking notes in class consider whether you are really a fast enough typist to do this effectively. (I personally am MUCH faster at typing on my Braille note than I am on a traditional keyboard--even though I am pretty fast on a keyboard) This could be part of your argument in favor of receiving both pieces of equipment. I am a junior in college and I find both my laptop and notetaker crucial so don't give up! Also be aware that there are other methods in which to get both devices. If you are unable to get them through your counselor explore charitable organizations such as the lions club, but bare in mind that if you HAVE to accept only one the note taker is MUCH more expensive than a laptop and it has refreshable Braille. Bare in mind that every other student at your college has to undertake the expense of a laptop so it is not completely unreasonable for you to do the same (also most colleges have payment plans to fund the purchase of a laptop) If your counselor refuses to purchase both I would push for a note taker as well as the software required to make the laptop accessible for you. (If you show your counselor now that you are willing to take on some of the expense as well they will be more likely to assist you with the additional expenses that come up as you continue your education) -Stacy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Briley Pollard" To: "Ashley Bramlett" ; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment A notetaker and a netbook do not serve the same purpose since they don't perform the same functions. They fulfill separate but equally important educational needs. Briley On Jul 24, 2010, at 9:13 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Briley, > A rehab agency will not buy duplicate equipment serving the same purpose > especially in tight budget times. A > laptop with braille display or > braille notetaker serve the same purpose; both provide that braille output > Jewel said would be most conducive to learning. > So no they won't buy a laptop with braille display and braille notetaker. > However I have heard of VR clients receiving a braille notetaker and > laptop, but nothing external with the laptop such as braille display. If > you have a braille notetaker you can use its display > hooked up to a computer and I imagine you could hook it to a laptop too. > Having equipment serving the same function is hard to justify. > > Ashley > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Briley Pollard" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 8:37 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment > > > If you will be most successful with a notetaker and lap-top, they will get > you both. It won't be difficult to justify. Stick to your guns. You'll get > what you need. > > Briley > On Jul 24, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Jewel S. wrote: > >> DSB told me that they would get either a Braille notetaker OR a laptop >> with a refreshable Braille display, but not both. >> >> ~Jewel >> >> On 7/24/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> Hi Jewel, >>> >>> I wonder if you can ask for a laptop with JAWS, a Braille notetaker, >>> and a scanner. That's the setup I use and I've been very pleased with >>> it-electronic books and notes can be read on the Braille Note's >>> Braille display, while the laptop can be used for the third-party >>> applications you described. I tried bringing a Braille embosser to >>> college my first year, and I found myself never using it since I had >>> Braille access on my notetaker and, as you mention, Brailling >>> textbooks yourself is quite labor-intensive. >>> >>> Best of luck! >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 7/24/10, Jewel S. wrote: >>>> Thanks for that clarification. I requested either a Braille notetaker >>>> (such as the PacMate or BrailleNote) or a laptop with a refreshable >>>> Braille display. The person who did the initial assessment thought a >>>> laptop and refreshable Braille display would be a better set-up than a >>>> Braille notetaker for flexibility, ease of use, and usability with >>>> third-party programs such as my DaybyDay planning calendar. I agreed >>>> with this assessment, though if they gave me a Braille notetaker >>>> instead of the laptop-Braille display combination, I would not turn it >>>> down and would work with it I think about equally as well. My concern >>>> is that if I get a laptop, I must have a way to read my books and >>>> notes in Braille. The embosser will help with this, but putting my >>>> textbooks and notes all in hard-copy Braille is not feasible, I think, >>>> and a waste of paper. But I simply cannot listen to long segments of >>>> audio, especially when I'm supposed to be listening to the professor >>>> (I know I can read the book ahead of time, but in my Spanish class, at >>>> least, we will be doing a lot of reading aloud). >>>> >>>> I'm hoping to be on my way with getting this resolved Monday. It's >>>> really frustrating and I'm impatient about the weekend. >>>> >>>> I do appreciate everyone's input on this. It has given me many things >>>> to think about and some encouragement that I should be getting what I >>>> need for school. >>>> >>>> ~Jewel >>>> >>>> On 7/24/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I think what I meant by "luxury" is the large Braille display that >>>>> connects to a computer. While these are ideal, I think you can get >>>>> almost the same degree of access with a portable Braille notetaker >>>>> with a Braille display, such as a Braille Note or Pac Mate, and I >>>>> believe portable notetakers are also cheaper than Braille display >>>>> computer hookups. Jewel, I don't remember if you had requested both a >>>>> Braille notetaker and a Braille display in your original equipment >>>>> setup, but if you find yourself needing to negotiate, the Braille >>>>> notetaker will give you lots of Braille functionality whether you >>>>> choose to read your books on it or listen and take notes in Braille, >>>>> as I do. >>>>> >>>>> Arielle >>>>> >>>>> On 7/23/10, Jewel S. wrote: >>>>>> Thank you for this resource. I wil lread it; it looks good. I can >>>>>> quote it in my complaints, I'm sure. >>>>>> >>>>>> ~Jewel >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>>>>> Hi again, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This resource is long, but really highlights Voc Rehab's >>>>>>> responsibilities >>>>>>> with specific RSA situations. This should help you a great deal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.nls.org/vrron.htm >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Briley >>>>>>> On Jul 23, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Jewel S. wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is my feelings also. I do not think the refreshable Braille >>>>>>>> display is a luxury, but an essential tool for my learning. I am a >>>>>>>> visual and tactile learner, and have a lot of trouble learning by >>>>>>>> audio teaching only. I often have to re-read what JAWS has read to >>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>> several times, and have to rewind audio books if I have the least >>>>>>>> distraction (such as someone making a comment to me or the radio or >>>>>>>> tv >>>>>>>> or pretty much any background noise can distract me). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A quick update. They want to do an accessment (laptop or PDA). I'm >>>>>>>> going to ask about justifying just getting the laptop, as I think >>>>>>>> it'll be the easiest way to go (more compatibility with programs, >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> connection with other students, less expensive for DSB, more >>>>>>>> versatile >>>>>>>> in future programs that I purchase). The supervisor was not in >>>>>>>> today; >>>>>>>> I will speak to him on Monday and get this all straightened out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ~Jewel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just wanted to offer that I don't agree that a Braille display >>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>> "luxury", and that you shouldn't push for Voc Rehab to provide it. >>>>>>>>> Is >>>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>>> print a "luxury", for sighted students? No. If Braille is your >>>>>>>>> preferred >>>>>>>>> reading medium, you shouldn't be forced to just get by with only >>>>>>>>> audio >>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>> that is not how you best learn. They would never send a sighted >>>>>>>>> student >>>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>>> to college and say, "Good luck getting by with no print books." >>>>>>>>> Voc >>>>>>>>> Rehab >>>>>>>>> can provide this for you, and moving up the chain of command will >>>>>>>>> achieve >>>>>>>>> the quickest results. Every regional office has specific complaint >>>>>>>>> procedures which you can request in writing from your councilor's >>>>>>>>> manager. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just my thoughts, >>>>>>>>> Briley >>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Jewel and all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is an old story that I've heard way too many times from >>>>>>>>>> students. >>>>>>>>>> Your counselor's actions (or non-actions) are ridiculous and >>>>>>>>>> definitely need to be addressed with her supervisor(s). In the >>>>>>>>>> meantime, though, I think it's important to come up with a plan B >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> doesn't involve DSB at all, at least while you're waiting. A few >>>>>>>>>> ideas: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. With rehab, I'd focus on getting the computer and scanner. The >>>>>>>>>> refreshable Braille display and embosser are nice, but they're >>>>>>>>>> luxuries, not necessities, in my opinion. Asking for just a >>>>>>>>>> couple >>>>>>>>>> pieces of equipment rather than the whole gamut may be less >>>>>>>>>> complicated/bureaucratic. >>>>>>>>>> 2. Does your school have an office for blind/disabled students? >>>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>> they very well might have equipment for loan, like computers, and >>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>> should have public-access scanners that you can walk in and use. >>>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>>> not, find out if there's anywhere else on campus (like the >>>>>>>>>> bookstore >>>>>>>>>> or library) where you can borrow or rent a computer for low or no >>>>>>>>>> cost. Perhaps family members or friends might have extra >>>>>>>>>> computers >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> can borrow? Once you have the computer, you should be able to >>>>>>>>>> download >>>>>>>>>> a free open-source screen reader to use with it. >>>>>>>>>> 2. The NFB has a technology loan program and your NFB affiliate >>>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>>> have one too. Call the NFB Braille and Technology Center at >>>>>>>>>> 410-659-9314 for details. Of course borrowing equipment for free >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> better than racking up interest, but it could be a last-resort, >>>>>>>>>> temporary option. >>>>>>>>>> 3. If you can't get a portable computer, see if any of the public >>>>>>>>>> computers on your campus are accessible (all Mac's are out of the >>>>>>>>>> box). What you may need to do in a pinch is use a voice recorder >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> class and then use the public computer for assignments. >>>>>>>>>> 4. Remember that >>>>>>>>>> www.rfbd.org >>>>>>>>>> provides books in audio format, and >>>>>>>>>> www.bookshare.org >>>>>>>>>> provides books for free in a text format that you can read on a >>>>>>>>>> regular computer (either the public computer or a rented one). >>>>>>>>>> 5. Don't forget that readers are low-tech and relatively cheap >>>>>>>>>> (usually $7 per hour) and if your school has a community service >>>>>>>>>> club, >>>>>>>>>> you might be able to find volunteer readers. If rehab is >>>>>>>>>> uncooperative, your school (either the disability resource center >>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>> the department of your major) may be willing to help pay for >>>>>>>>>> readers, >>>>>>>>>> at least initially while you wait for equipment. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In short, while you should definitely nag rehab to get you what >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> need (especially the laptop, scanner, and perhaps an audio book >>>>>>>>>> player >>>>>>>>>> like a Stream), rehab isn't, and shouldn't be, your only option. >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> think the only piece of equipment that's really mission-critical >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> computer, and that can be either a personal computer or a public >>>>>>>>>> computer. Even your local public library might have a public >>>>>>>>>> computer >>>>>>>>>> you can use. I'd recommend staying in your classes if at all >>>>>>>>>> possible. >>>>>>>>>> Textbooks can be read with readers (readers can even be students >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> your classes, who have to read the books anyway), or with a >>>>>>>>>> public >>>>>>>>>> scanner (which might be available in the library or DRC). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best of luck and please keep us posted on your progress. >>>>>>>>>> Arielle >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 7/22/10, William ODonnell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I would have to say that I agree with Joe on many of the points >>>>>>>>>>> he >>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>> made. >>>>>>>>>>> Also, keep some things “off record” with your councilor. I am >>>>>>>>>>> referring >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> the suggestions of you purchasing a net book that you provided >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>> email. Remember the following approach: don’t ask, don’t tell >>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> give any additional information than requested. >>>>>>>>>>> In addition, always copy a supervisor when you’re documenting so >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> context >>>>>>>>>>> of what you discuss is not altered or misrepresented at a later >>>>>>>>>>> date. >>>>>>>>>>> Finally, investigate whether or not your local independent >>>>>>>>>>> living >>>>>>>>>>> center >>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>> advocates that will speak on your behalf. >>>>>>>>>>> Note: some colleges and universities have laptops or net books >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> disabled >>>>>>>>>>> students can reserve from there DSS office for use during class. >>>>>>>>>>> In >>>>>>>>>>> regard >>>>>>>>>>> to readers or reading services, some organizations for the blind >>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>> community centers have people from the community who volunteer >>>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>>>>> assist you. In addition, check with your college or university >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>> you can post an add requesting for volunteers to assist you when >>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> the essence and your accommodations/equipment is not available. >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> say >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> following since it is a reality. Note: I do not want to >>>>>>>>>>> discourage >>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>> scare >>>>>>>>>>> you; however, throughout your college career, you will learn and >>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> you will need to liquidate all avenues since many times you will >>>>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>>>> faulty services and accommodations while meeting important >>>>>>>>>>> deadlines >>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>> other student. You will need to be strong and always be your >>>>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>>>> advocate >>>>>>>>>>> while never losing focus with your agenda. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Joe Orozco wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Joe Orozco >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:30 AM >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jewel, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I see online that North Carolina just started a new fiscal >>>>>>>>>>>> year. This is >>>>>>>>>>>> bad, because this is when agencies can afford to lapse a >>>>>>>>>>>> little. If I were >>>>>>>>>>>> you, and taking your budget into consideration, this is my >>>>>>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>>>>>> recommendation: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Take Justin's suggestion and go straight to the director >>>>>>>>>>>> of that field >>>>>>>>>>>> office. It's not your job to ease this counselor into >>>>>>>>>>>> her new position. >>>>>>>>>>>> Your first priority is getting what you need to be ready >>>>>>>>>>>> for school. Put >>>>>>>>>>>> your communications to the director in writing. Say >>>>>>>>>>>> in your first e-mail >>>>>>>>>>>> that you will follow up via telephone in a few days to talk >>>>>>>>>>>> about what can >>>>>>>>>>>> be done. Later, after your phone call, send another >>>>>>>>>>>> e-mail summarizing what >>>>>>>>>>>> was talked about. Always keep a written record of >>>>>>>>>>>> your communications. In >>>>>>>>>>>> the letter you should give a brief summary of the events to >>>>>>>>>>>> this point, but >>>>>>>>>>>> I would spend more time listing the equipment you need and >>>>>>>>>>>> a good >>>>>>>>>>>> justification for why you need them. This may >>>>>>>>>>>> somewhat minimize the need >>>>>>>>>>>> for an assessment if you can give concrete reasons for why >>>>>>>>>>>> the products are >>>>>>>>>>>> required. Also, rank your products in order of most >>>>>>>>>>>> important. The Victor >>>>>>>>>>>> Stream, for example, may be a necessity, but it could >>>>>>>>>>>> probably go near or at >>>>>>>>>>>> the bottom since your top priority is the ability to take >>>>>>>>>>>> notes in class. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Locate the individual or office that handles technology >>>>>>>>>>>> assessments. The >>>>>>>>>>>> more people you have inquiring into your case, the better, >>>>>>>>>>>> and even if they >>>>>>>>>>>> say they need to hear from your counselor, when your >>>>>>>>>>>> counselor calls the >>>>>>>>>>>> people will be familiar with you and have more of an >>>>>>>>>>>> incentive to act. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Talk to your NFB affiliate president. He or she >>>>>>>>>>>> may know of someone >>>>>>>>>>>> working in the agency who can look into your case. >>>>>>>>>>>> The affiliate should >>>>>>>>>>>> also prove to be a good advocate on your behalf. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Locate your nearest Lions Club. They may be able >>>>>>>>>>>> to step in and help >>>>>>>>>>>> with the cost of a netbook. If you can get that, you >>>>>>>>>>>> can use one of the >>>>>>>>>>>> free or reasonably priced screen readers while you wait for >>>>>>>>>>>> your other >>>>>>>>>>>> technology to arrive. The main thing is to get you >>>>>>>>>>>> something for the first >>>>>>>>>>>> day of class, and I think your Lions Club or Rotary Club >>>>>>>>>>>> should be able to >>>>>>>>>>>> generate $300 on your behalf. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This is, at least, a start. I'm in a bit of a rush >>>>>>>>>>>> but can offer more later >>>>>>>>>>>> if you're still in a bind. Hopefully others will >>>>>>>>>>>> chime in as well. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best of luck, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Joe >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up >>>>>>>>>>>> their sleeves, >>>>>>>>>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at >>>>>>>>>>>> all."--Sam Ewing >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Jewel S. >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM >>>>>>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. >>>>>>>>>>>> I begin >>>>>>>>>>>> classes August 16, and have been working toward getting >>>>>>>>>>>> some needed >>>>>>>>>>>> equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a >>>>>>>>>>>> refreshable >>>>>>>>>>>> Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette >>>>>>>>>>>> embosser, a >>>>>>>>>>>> scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury >>>>>>>>>>>> (spelling?), and JAWS >>>>>>>>>>>> for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my >>>>>>>>>>>> side to get >>>>>>>>>>>> this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned >>>>>>>>>>>> recently to a >>>>>>>>>>>> new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first >>>>>>>>>>>> position). >>>>>>>>>>>> She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let >>>>>>>>>>>> alone how >>>>>>>>>>>> to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for >>>>>>>>>>>> review of >>>>>>>>>>>> my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> information, despite him having stated that I needed an >>>>>>>>>>>> assessment >>>>>>>>>>>> with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I >>>>>>>>>>>> asked him what >>>>>>>>>>>> the next step was again that he said that my counselor >>>>>>>>>>>> should have set >>>>>>>>>>>> up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, >>>>>>>>>>>> he had >>>>>>>>>>>> said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I >>>>>>>>>>>> needed to >>>>>>>>>>>> just wait for the referral to go through). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the >>>>>>>>>>>> referral done, the >>>>>>>>>>>> paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At >>>>>>>>>>>> first, they >>>>>>>>>>>> told me it would take two to three weeks to get the >>>>>>>>>>>> equipment. Then >>>>>>>>>>>> they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take >>>>>>>>>>>> up to two >>>>>>>>>>>> months! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the >>>>>>>>>>>> equipment I >>>>>>>>>>>> need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than >>>>>>>>>>>> getting a >>>>>>>>>>>> notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my >>>>>>>>>>>> slate and >>>>>>>>>>>> stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate >>>>>>>>>>>> for a few >>>>>>>>>>>> lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very >>>>>>>>>>>> badly, so I >>>>>>>>>>>> don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have >>>>>>>>>>>> a voice >>>>>>>>>>>> recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds >>>>>>>>>>>> to purchase >>>>>>>>>>>> one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my >>>>>>>>>>>> equipment >>>>>>>>>>>> comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to >>>>>>>>>>>> mean that >>>>>>>>>>>> I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has >>>>>>>>>>>> suggested places >>>>>>>>>>>> to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it >>>>>>>>>>>> also. When I >>>>>>>>>>>> asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop >>>>>>>>>>>> promised me >>>>>>>>>>>> by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the >>>>>>>>>>>> laptop I would >>>>>>>>>>>> purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if >>>>>>>>>>>> it's used, how >>>>>>>>>>>> can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for >>>>>>>>>>>> such a >>>>>>>>>>>> laptop? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? >>>>>>>>>>>> SWhat should >>>>>>>>>>>> I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, >>>>>>>>>>>> who should I >>>>>>>>>>>> bring this up with? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a >>>>>>>>>>>> way to record >>>>>>>>>>>> the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or >>>>>>>>>>>> complete >>>>>>>>>>>> worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on >>>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>> students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and >>>>>>>>>>>> will not be >>>>>>>>>>>> able to participate when the class reads the books. I might >>>>>>>>>>>> as well >>>>>>>>>>>> not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From >>>>>>>>>>>> what DSB is >>>>>>>>>>>> telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before >>>>>>>>>>>> I get any >>>>>>>>>>>> of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a >>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable >>>>>>>>>>>> accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes >>>>>>>>>>>> and wait >>>>>>>>>>>> until next semester? I will not be able to participate >>>>>>>>>>>> appropriately >>>>>>>>>>>> in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be >>>>>>>>>>>> drastically >>>>>>>>>>>> effected by this. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any advice, please? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yours, >>>>>>>>>>>> Jewel Shuping >>>>>>>>>>>> Wake Tech Community College >>>>>>>>>>>> Raleigh, NC >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>>>>>>>>> account >>>>>>>>>>>> info for nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>>>>>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>> 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3027 - Release Date: 07/25/10 06:36:00 From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Sun Jul 25 18:06:35 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 14:06:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> <09D5014C-37B6-4403-BEFC-48604001C7B2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you, that's good food for though. I know I am a decent typer. When typing from the top of my head, I can type up to 80 wpm. When typing what is on an audio recording, I can typ up to 60 wpm, though it is often closer to 50 wpm. I'm going to see how soon the assessment can be done for this, but would really like to do the assessment rather than trying to justify one over the other on my own. I'll keep you guys updated on how it goes. ~Jewel On 7/25/10, stacy timberlake wrote: > When you are agreeing to accept a laptop rather than a notetaker > consider whether you plan on taking notes in class or recording your classes > and taking notes based on your recordings. If you plan on taking notes in > class consider whether you are really a fast enough typist to do this > effectively. (I personally am MUCH faster at typing on my Braille note than > I am on a traditional keyboard--even though I am pretty fast on a keyboard) > This could be part of your argument in favor of receiving both pieces of > equipment. I am a junior in college and I find both my laptop and notetaker > crucial so don't give up! > Also be aware that there are other methods in which to get both devices. If > you are unable to get them through your counselor explore charitable > organizations such as the lions club, but bare in mind that if you HAVE to > accept only one the note taker is MUCH more expensive than a laptop and it > has refreshable Braille. Bare in mind that every other student at your > college has to undertake the expense of a laptop so it is not completely > unreasonable for you to do the same (also most colleges have payment plans > to fund the purchase of a laptop) > If your counselor refuses to purchase both I would push for a note taker as > well as the software required to make the laptop accessible for you. (If > you show your counselor now that you are willing to take on some of the > expense as well they will be more likely to assist you with the additional > expenses that come up as you continue your education) > -Stacy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Briley Pollard" > To: "Ashley Bramlett" ; "National Association of > Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 11:31 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment > > > A notetaker and a netbook do not serve the same purpose since they don't > perform the same functions. They fulfill separate but equally important > educational needs. > > Briley > On Jul 24, 2010, at 9:13 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >> Briley, >> A rehab agency will not buy duplicate equipment serving the same purpose >> especially in tight budget times. A >> laptop with braille display or >> braille notetaker serve the same purpose; both provide that braille output >> >> Jewel said would be most conducive to learning. >> So no they won't buy a laptop with braille display and braille notetaker. >> However I have heard of VR clients receiving a braille notetaker and >> laptop, but nothing external with the laptop such as braille display. If >> you have a braille notetaker you can use its display >> hooked up to a computer and I imagine you could hook it to a laptop too. >> Having equipment serving the same function is hard to justify. >> >> Ashley >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Briley Pollard" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 8:37 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >> >> >> If you will be most successful with a notetaker and lap-top, they will get >> >> you both. It won't be difficult to justify. Stick to your guns. You'll get >> >> what you need. >> >> Briley >> On Jul 24, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Jewel S. wrote: >> >>> DSB told me that they would get either a Braille notetaker OR a laptop >>> with a refreshable Braille display, but not both. >>> >>> ~Jewel >>> >>> On 7/24/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>> Hi Jewel, >>>> >>>> I wonder if you can ask for a laptop with JAWS, a Braille notetaker, >>>> and a scanner. That's the setup I use and I've been very pleased with >>>> it-electronic books and notes can be read on the Braille Note's >>>> Braille display, while the laptop can be used for the third-party >>>> applications you described. I tried bringing a Braille embosser to >>>> college my first year, and I found myself never using it since I had >>>> Braille access on my notetaker and, as you mention, Brailling >>>> textbooks yourself is quite labor-intensive. >>>> >>>> Best of luck! >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>> On 7/24/10, Jewel S. wrote: >>>>> Thanks for that clarification. I requested either a Braille notetaker >>>>> (such as the PacMate or BrailleNote) or a laptop with a refreshable >>>>> Braille display. The person who did the initial assessment thought a >>>>> laptop and refreshable Braille display would be a better set-up than a >>>>> Braille notetaker for flexibility, ease of use, and usability with >>>>> third-party programs such as my DaybyDay planning calendar. I agreed >>>>> with this assessment, though if they gave me a Braille notetaker >>>>> instead of the laptop-Braille display combination, I would not turn it >>>>> down and would work with it I think about equally as well. My concern >>>>> is that if I get a laptop, I must have a way to read my books and >>>>> notes in Braille. The embosser will help with this, but putting my >>>>> textbooks and notes all in hard-copy Braille is not feasible, I think, >>>>> and a waste of paper. But I simply cannot listen to long segments of >>>>> audio, especially when I'm supposed to be listening to the professor >>>>> (I know I can read the book ahead of time, but in my Spanish class, at >>>>> least, we will be doing a lot of reading aloud). >>>>> >>>>> I'm hoping to be on my way with getting this resolved Monday. It's >>>>> really frustrating and I'm impatient about the weekend. >>>>> >>>>> I do appreciate everyone's input on this. It has given me many things >>>>> to think about and some encouragement that I should be getting what I >>>>> need for school. >>>>> >>>>> ~Jewel >>>>> >>>>> On 7/24/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I think what I meant by "luxury" is the large Braille display that >>>>>> connects to a computer. While these are ideal, I think you can get >>>>>> almost the same degree of access with a portable Braille notetaker >>>>>> with a Braille display, such as a Braille Note or Pac Mate, and I >>>>>> believe portable notetakers are also cheaper than Braille display >>>>>> computer hookups. Jewel, I don't remember if you had requested both a >>>>>> Braille notetaker and a Braille display in your original equipment >>>>>> setup, but if you find yourself needing to negotiate, the Braille >>>>>> notetaker will give you lots of Braille functionality whether you >>>>>> choose to read your books on it or listen and take notes in Braille, >>>>>> as I do. >>>>>> >>>>>> Arielle >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/23/10, Jewel S. wrote: >>>>>>> Thank you for this resource. I wil lread it; it looks good. I can >>>>>>> quote it in my complaints, I'm sure. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ~Jewel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi again, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This resource is long, but really highlights Voc Rehab's >>>>>>>> responsibilities >>>>>>>> with specific RSA situations. This should help you a great deal. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.nls.org/vrron.htm >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Briley >>>>>>>> On Jul 23, 2010, at 1:18 PM, Jewel S. wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is my feelings also. I do not think the refreshable Braille >>>>>>>>> display is a luxury, but an essential tool for my learning. I am a >>>>>>>>> visual and tactile learner, and have a lot of trouble learning by >>>>>>>>> audio teaching only. I often have to re-read what JAWS has read to >>>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>>> several times, and have to rewind audio books if I have the least >>>>>>>>> distraction (such as someone making a comment to me or the radio or >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> tv >>>>>>>>> or pretty much any background noise can distract me). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A quick update. They want to do an accessment (laptop or PDA). I'm >>>>>>>>> going to ask about justifying just getting the laptop, as I think >>>>>>>>> it'll be the easiest way to go (more compatibility with programs, >>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>> connection with other students, less expensive for DSB, more >>>>>>>>> versatile >>>>>>>>> in future programs that I purchase). The supervisor was not in >>>>>>>>> today; >>>>>>>>> I will speak to him on Monday and get this all straightened out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ~Jewel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I just wanted to offer that I don't agree that a Braille display >>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>> "luxury", and that you shouldn't push for Voc Rehab to provide it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is >>>>>>>>>> having >>>>>>>>>> print a "luxury", for sighted students? No. If Braille is your >>>>>>>>>> preferred >>>>>>>>>> reading medium, you shouldn't be forced to just get by with only >>>>>>>>>> audio >>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>> that is not how you best learn. They would never send a sighted >>>>>>>>>> student >>>>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>>>> to college and say, "Good luck getting by with no print books." >>>>>>>>>> Voc >>>>>>>>>> Rehab >>>>>>>>>> can provide this for you, and moving up the chain of command will >>>>>>>>>> achieve >>>>>>>>>> the quickest results. Every regional office has specific complaint >>>>>>>>>> procedures which you can request in writing from your councilor's >>>>>>>>>> manager. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just my thoughts, >>>>>>>>>> Briley >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jewel and all, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is an old story that I've heard way too many times from >>>>>>>>>>> students. >>>>>>>>>>> Your counselor's actions (or non-actions) are ridiculous and >>>>>>>>>>> definitely need to be addressed with her supervisor(s). In the >>>>>>>>>>> meantime, though, I think it's important to come up with a plan B >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> doesn't involve DSB at all, at least while you're waiting. A few >>>>>>>>>>> ideas: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 1. With rehab, I'd focus on getting the computer and scanner. The >>>>>>>>>>> refreshable Braille display and embosser are nice, but they're >>>>>>>>>>> luxuries, not necessities, in my opinion. Asking for just a >>>>>>>>>>> couple >>>>>>>>>>> pieces of equipment rather than the whole gamut may be less >>>>>>>>>>> complicated/bureaucratic. >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Does your school have an office for blind/disabled students? >>>>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>> they very well might have equipment for loan, like computers, and >>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>> should have public-access scanners that you can walk in and use. >>>>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>>>> not, find out if there's anywhere else on campus (like the >>>>>>>>>>> bookstore >>>>>>>>>>> or library) where you can borrow or rent a computer for low or no >>>>>>>>>>> cost. Perhaps family members or friends might have extra >>>>>>>>>>> computers >>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>> can borrow? Once you have the computer, you should be able to >>>>>>>>>>> download >>>>>>>>>>> a free open-source screen reader to use with it. >>>>>>>>>>> 2. The NFB has a technology loan program and your NFB affiliate >>>>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>>>> have one too. Call the NFB Braille and Technology Center at >>>>>>>>>>> 410-659-9314 for details. Of course borrowing equipment for free >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> better than racking up interest, but it could be a last-resort, >>>>>>>>>>> temporary option. >>>>>>>>>>> 3. If you can't get a portable computer, see if any of the public >>>>>>>>>>> computers on your campus are accessible (all Mac's are out of the >>>>>>>>>>> box). What you may need to do in a pinch is use a voice recorder >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> class and then use the public computer for assignments. >>>>>>>>>>> 4. Remember that >>>>>>>>>>> www.rfbd.org >>>>>>>>>>> provides books in audio format, and >>>>>>>>>>> www.bookshare.org >>>>>>>>>>> provides books for free in a text format that you can read on a >>>>>>>>>>> regular computer (either the public computer or a rented one). >>>>>>>>>>> 5. Don't forget that readers are low-tech and relatively cheap >>>>>>>>>>> (usually $7 per hour) and if your school has a community service >>>>>>>>>>> club, >>>>>>>>>>> you might be able to find volunteer readers. If rehab is >>>>>>>>>>> uncooperative, your school (either the disability resource center >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>> the department of your major) may be willing to help pay for >>>>>>>>>>> readers, >>>>>>>>>>> at least initially while you wait for equipment. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In short, while you should definitely nag rehab to get you what >>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>> need (especially the laptop, scanner, and perhaps an audio book >>>>>>>>>>> player >>>>>>>>>>> like a Stream), rehab isn't, and shouldn't be, your only option. >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> think the only piece of equipment that's really mission-critical >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> computer, and that can be either a personal computer or a public >>>>>>>>>>> computer. Even your local public library might have a public >>>>>>>>>>> computer >>>>>>>>>>> you can use. I'd recommend staying in your classes if at all >>>>>>>>>>> possible. >>>>>>>>>>> Textbooks can be read with readers (readers can even be students >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> your classes, who have to read the books anyway), or with a >>>>>>>>>>> public >>>>>>>>>>> scanner (which might be available in the library or DRC). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Best of luck and please keep us posted on your progress. >>>>>>>>>>> Arielle >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 7/22/10, William ODonnell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> I would have to say that I agree with Joe on many of the points >>>>>>>>>>>> he >>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>> made. >>>>>>>>>>>> Also, keep some things “off record” with your councilor. I am >>>>>>>>>>>> referring >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> the suggestions of you purchasing a net book that you provided >>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>> email. Remember the following approach: don’t ask, don’t tell >>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>> give any additional information than requested. >>>>>>>>>>>> In addition, always copy a supervisor when you’re documenting so >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> context >>>>>>>>>>>> of what you discuss is not altered or misrepresented at a later >>>>>>>>>>>> date. >>>>>>>>>>>> Finally, investigate whether or not your local independent >>>>>>>>>>>> living >>>>>>>>>>>> center >>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>> advocates that will speak on your behalf. >>>>>>>>>>>> Note: some colleges and universities have laptops or net books >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> disabled >>>>>>>>>>>> students can reserve from there DSS office for use during class. >>>>>>>>>>>> In >>>>>>>>>>>> regard >>>>>>>>>>>> to readers or reading services, some organizations for the blind >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>> community centers have people from the community who volunteer >>>>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>>>> may >>>>>>>>>>>> assist you. In addition, check with your college or university >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>> you can post an add requesting for volunteers to assist you when >>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> the essence and your accommodations/equipment is not available. >>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> say >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> following since it is a reality. Note: I do not want to >>>>>>>>>>>> discourage >>>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>>> scare >>>>>>>>>>>> you; however, throughout your college career, you will learn and >>>>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> you will need to liquidate all avenues since many times you will >>>>>>>>>>>> experience >>>>>>>>>>>> faulty services and accommodations while meeting important >>>>>>>>>>>> deadlines >>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>> other student. You will need to be strong and always be your >>>>>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>>>>> advocate >>>>>>>>>>>> while never losing focus with your agenda. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Joe Orozco wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Joe Orozco >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:30 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jewel, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I see online that North Carolina just started a new fiscal >>>>>>>>>>>>> year. This is >>>>>>>>>>>>> bad, because this is when agencies can afford to lapse a >>>>>>>>>>>>> little. If I were >>>>>>>>>>>>> you, and taking your budget into consideration, this is my >>>>>>>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>>>>>>> recommendation: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Take Justin's suggestion and go straight to the director >>>>>>>>>>>>> of that field >>>>>>>>>>>>> office. It's not your job to ease this counselor into >>>>>>>>>>>>> her new position. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Your first priority is getting what you need to be ready >>>>>>>>>>>>> for school. Put >>>>>>>>>>>>> your communications to the director in writing. Say >>>>>>>>>>>>> in your first e-mail >>>>>>>>>>>>> that you will follow up via telephone in a few days to talk >>>>>>>>>>>>> about what can >>>>>>>>>>>>> be done. Later, after your phone call, send another >>>>>>>>>>>>> e-mail summarizing what >>>>>>>>>>>>> was talked about. Always keep a written record of >>>>>>>>>>>>> your communications. In >>>>>>>>>>>>> the letter you should give a brief summary of the events to >>>>>>>>>>>>> this point, but >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would spend more time listing the equipment you need and >>>>>>>>>>>>> a good >>>>>>>>>>>>> justification for why you need them. This may >>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhat minimize the need >>>>>>>>>>>>> for an assessment if you can give concrete reasons for why >>>>>>>>>>>>> the products are >>>>>>>>>>>>> required. Also, rank your products in order of most >>>>>>>>>>>>> important. The Victor >>>>>>>>>>>>> Stream, for example, may be a necessity, but it could >>>>>>>>>>>>> probably go near or at >>>>>>>>>>>>> the bottom since your top priority is the ability to take >>>>>>>>>>>>> notes in class. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Locate the individual or office that handles technology >>>>>>>>>>>>> assessments. The >>>>>>>>>>>>> more people you have inquiring into your case, the better, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and even if they >>>>>>>>>>>>> say they need to hear from your counselor, when your >>>>>>>>>>>>> counselor calls the >>>>>>>>>>>>> people will be familiar with you and have more of an >>>>>>>>>>>>> incentive to act. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Talk to your NFB affiliate president. He or she >>>>>>>>>>>>> may know of someone >>>>>>>>>>>>> working in the agency who can look into your case. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The affiliate should >>>>>>>>>>>>> also prove to be a good advocate on your behalf. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Locate your nearest Lions Club. They may be able >>>>>>>>>>>>> to step in and help >>>>>>>>>>>>> with the cost of a netbook. If you can get that, you >>>>>>>>>>>>> can use one of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> free or reasonably priced screen readers while you wait for >>>>>>>>>>>>> your other >>>>>>>>>>>>> technology to arrive. The main thing is to get you >>>>>>>>>>>>> something for the first >>>>>>>>>>>>> day of class, and I think your Lions Club or Rotary Club >>>>>>>>>>>>> should be able to >>>>>>>>>>>>> generate $300 on your behalf. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is, at least, a start. I'm in a bit of a rush >>>>>>>>>>>>> but can offer more later >>>>>>>>>>>>> if you're still in a bind. Hopefully others will >>>>>>>>>>>>> chime in as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best of luck, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up >>>>>>>>>>>>> their sleeves, >>>>>>>>>>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at >>>>>>>>>>>>> all."--Sam Ewing >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Behalf Of Jewel S. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I begin >>>>>>>>>>>>> classes August 16, and have been working toward getting >>>>>>>>>>>>> some needed >>>>>>>>>>>>> equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a >>>>>>>>>>>>> refreshable >>>>>>>>>>>>> Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette >>>>>>>>>>>>> embosser, a >>>>>>>>>>>>> scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury >>>>>>>>>>>>> (spelling?), and JAWS >>>>>>>>>>>>> for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my >>>>>>>>>>>>> side to get >>>>>>>>>>>>> this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned >>>>>>>>>>>>> recently to a >>>>>>>>>>>>> new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first >>>>>>>>>>>>> position). >>>>>>>>>>>>> She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let >>>>>>>>>>>>> alone how >>>>>>>>>>>>> to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for >>>>>>>>>>>>> review of >>>>>>>>>>>>> my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with >>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>> information, despite him having stated that I needed an >>>>>>>>>>>>> assessment >>>>>>>>>>>>> with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I >>>>>>>>>>>>> asked him what >>>>>>>>>>>>> the next step was again that he said that my counselor >>>>>>>>>>>>> should have set >>>>>>>>>>>>> up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, >>>>>>>>>>>>> he had >>>>>>>>>>>>> said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I >>>>>>>>>>>>> needed to >>>>>>>>>>>>> just wait for the referral to go through). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the >>>>>>>>>>>>> referral done, the >>>>>>>>>>>>> paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At >>>>>>>>>>>>> first, they >>>>>>>>>>>>> told me it would take two to three weeks to get the >>>>>>>>>>>>> equipment. Then >>>>>>>>>>>>> they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take >>>>>>>>>>>>> up to two >>>>>>>>>>>>> months! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> equipment I >>>>>>>>>>>>> need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than >>>>>>>>>>>>> getting a >>>>>>>>>>>>> notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my >>>>>>>>>>>>> slate and >>>>>>>>>>>>> stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate >>>>>>>>>>>>> for a few >>>>>>>>>>>>> lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very >>>>>>>>>>>>> badly, so I >>>>>>>>>>>>> don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have >>>>>>>>>>>>> a voice >>>>>>>>>>>>> recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds >>>>>>>>>>>>> to purchase >>>>>>>>>>>>> one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my >>>>>>>>>>>>> equipment >>>>>>>>>>>>> comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to >>>>>>>>>>>>> mean that >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has >>>>>>>>>>>>> suggested places >>>>>>>>>>>>> to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it >>>>>>>>>>>>> also. When I >>>>>>>>>>>>> asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop >>>>>>>>>>>>> promised me >>>>>>>>>>>>> by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the >>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop I would >>>>>>>>>>>>> purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if >>>>>>>>>>>>> it's used, how >>>>>>>>>>>>> can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for >>>>>>>>>>>>> such a >>>>>>>>>>>>> laptop? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? >>>>>>>>>>>>> SWhat should >>>>>>>>>>>>> I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, >>>>>>>>>>>>> who should I >>>>>>>>>>>>> bring this up with? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a >>>>>>>>>>>>> way to record >>>>>>>>>>>>> the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or >>>>>>>>>>>>> complete >>>>>>>>>>>>> worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on >>>>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>>> students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> will not be >>>>>>>>>>>>> able to participate when the class reads the books. I might >>>>>>>>>>>>> as well >>>>>>>>>>>>> not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From >>>>>>>>>>>>> what DSB is >>>>>>>>>>>>> telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before >>>>>>>>>>>>> I get any >>>>>>>>>>>>> of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a >>>>>>>>>>>>> reasonable >>>>>>>>>>>>> accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes >>>>>>>>>>>>> and wait >>>>>>>>>>>>> until next semester? I will not be able to participate >>>>>>>>>>>>> appropriately >>>>>>>>>>>>> in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be >>>>>>>>>>>>> drastically >>>>>>>>>>>>> effected by this. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Any advice, please? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yours, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jewel Shuping >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wake Tech Community College >>>>>>>>>>>>> Raleigh, NC >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>>>>>>>>>> account >>>>>>>>>>>>> info for nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>>>>>>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> 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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.441 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3027 - Release Date: 07/25/10 > 06:36:00 > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Sun Jul 25 20:26:45 2010 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:26:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Radio360 Out, ShockWaveRadio Is In Message-ID: <00D3EB39984E4F099D870CF01B4A23E2@radio360usa> Hi All! Those of you may remember the various monthly emails I'd send out about Radio360 and the shows I did there. In light of some problems with 360, it was felt that a restart in station, web site look, image, etc, were all in order. So on July 19, ShockWaveRadio launched! Feel free to check it out at http://www.shockwaveradio.net and fill out a dj application if there is any interest in broadcasting with us. Details are below about the debut of The Djd Invasion on ShockWave! Enjoy. Greetings All! I'm excited to announce that The Djd Invasion, which previously aired on the now closed Radio360, makes its grand debut on ShockWaveRadio tonight starting at 8 PM eastern, and this is a show you won't want to miss. As part of tonight's show, we've got A great mix of pop, country, oldies, your requests and more One of those famous Djd Invasion technology rants/debates Your requests And the first listener giveaway in ShockWaveRadio history! Here's how it works. If we hit the 30 listener mark within the first two hours, four listeners will compete in an in-show game for the chance at a ten dollar Amazon gift card. If we set our new record and hit 50, we'll up it to 20 or 30 dollars! So tell your friends, come listen, and celebrate the debut of The Djd Invasion to ShockWaveRadio! As stated above, requests are most welcome. They can be made to me by email, aim or msn messengers at the address liveradio at shockwaveradio.net Or when the lines are open, you can call in by dialing 516-209-3796 to talk with us live using your phone, or add shockwaveradio1 to your skype to chat with us live on air. Also, feel free to follow us on twitter at shockwaveradio1 So to listen, save this email, spread the word to your friends, and at any time between 8 PM and 12 AM eastern tonight, log on to http://www.shockwaveradio.net/players/playerselection.shtml or put http://fast.icastcenter.com:9050 into your computer's default media player, what ever works best for you. Hope to see you all there! >From David Dunphy, AKA Djd, host of The Djd Invasion http://www.shockwaveradio.net From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Sun Jul 25 21:53:25 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 17:53:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Radio360 Out, ShockWaveRadio Is In References: <00D3EB39984E4F099D870CF01B4A23E2@radio360usa> Message-ID: I incourrage any one to apply for shockwave Radio. When David was doing 360, I was a DJ on the station where I did a show known as the abundant life. David is a great person to work with. While he likes for his DJ's to have fun, he's also clear as to what he expects from his DJ's. It doesn't matter if you're blind or sighted, You can still be a DJ on shockwave radio! Just go to www.shockwaveradio.net, and fill the DJ application! David and staff are helpful, and they're willing to work with you! So If you think Braudcasting is your thing, then come over to shockwave radio: www.shockwaveradio.net And fill out the application! RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dunphy" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 4:26 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Radio360 Out, ShockWaveRadio Is In > Hi All! > Those of you may remember the various monthly emails I'd send out about > Radio360 and the shows I did there. > In light of some problems with 360, it was felt that a restart in station, > web site look, image, etc, were all in order. So on July 19, > ShockWaveRadio launched! > Feel free to check it out at > http://www.shockwaveradio.net > and fill out a dj application if there is any interest in broadcasting > with us. > Details are below about the debut of The Djd Invasion on ShockWave! Enjoy. > Greetings All! > I'm excited to announce that The Djd Invasion, which previously aired on > the now closed Radio360, makes its grand debut on ShockWaveRadio tonight > starting at 8 PM eastern, and this is a show you won't want to miss. > As part of tonight's show, we've got > A great mix of pop, country, oldies, your requests and more > One of those famous Djd Invasion technology rants/debates > Your requests > And the first listener giveaway in ShockWaveRadio history! > Here's how it works. > If we hit the 30 listener mark within the first two hours, four listeners > will compete in an in-show game for the chance at a ten dollar Amazon gift > card. > If we set our new record and hit 50, we'll up it to 20 or 30 dollars! > So tell your friends, come listen, and celebrate the debut of The Djd > Invasion to ShockWaveRadio! > As stated above, requests are most welcome. They can be made to me by > email, aim or msn messengers at the address > liveradio at shockwaveradio.net > Or when the lines are open, you can call in by dialing > 516-209-3796 > to talk with us live using your phone, or add > shockwaveradio1 > to your skype to chat with us live on air. > Also, feel free to follow us on twitter at > shockwaveradio1 > > So to listen, save this email, spread the word to your friends, and at any > time between 8 PM and 12 AM eastern tonight, log on to > http://www.shockwaveradio.net/players/playerselection.shtml > or put > http://fast.icastcenter.com:9050 > into your computer's default media player, what ever works best for you. > Hope to see you all there! >>From David Dunphy, AKA Djd, host of The Djd Invasion > http://www.shockwaveradio.net > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From serenacucco at verizon.net Mon Jul 26 01:13:28 2010 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 21:13:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment References: Message-ID: <6DB9B9B883BB447EA7EBCE89AFC6815F@Serene> Sounds like your rehab agency screwed you over! (sorry for the language.) Talk to your counselor's supervisor! Renting a laptop may be cheaper than you think. I haven't had to do this, but my parents did mention that buying one isn't too expensive, so, I'm guessing, renting one isn't, either. You're not alone in having to deal with rehab agencies. I'm in the middle of a similar problem with my commission for the blind ... They know what they're doing, but my counselor wasn't being very responsive, until I emailed her and carbon copied her supervisor. I'm still waiting to trade in my old BrailleNote for a newer model. I know the Humanware sales representative for my state, so she's being as helpful as she can, despite the bureaucracy of the Commission. Good luck! Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jewel S." To: Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment > Dear all, > > I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. I begin > classes August 16, and have been working toward getting some needed > equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a refreshable > Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette embosser, a > scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury (spelling?), and JAWS > for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my side to get > this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned recently to a > new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first position). > She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let alone how > to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for review of > my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with that > information, despite him having stated that I needed an assessment > with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I asked him what > the next step was again that he said that my counselor should have set > up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, he had > said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I needed to > just wait for the referral to go through). > > Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the referral done, the > paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At first, they > told me it would take two to three weeks to get the equipment. Then > they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take up to two > months! > > Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the equipment I > need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than getting a > notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my slate and > stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate for a few > lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very badly, so I > don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have a voice > recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds to purchase > one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). > > I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my equipment > comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to mean that > I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has suggested places > to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it also. When I > asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop promised me > by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the laptop I would > purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if it's used, how > can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for such a > laptop? > > Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? SWhat should > I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, who should I > bring this up with? > > As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a way to record > the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or complete > worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on other > students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and will not be > able to participate when the class reads the books. I might as well > not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From what DSB is > telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before I get any > of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a reasonable > accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes and wait > until next semester? I will not be able to participate appropriately > in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be drastically > effected by this. > > Any advice, please? > > Yours, > Jewel Shuping > Wake Tech Community College > Raleigh, NC > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From serenacucco at verizon.net Mon Jul 26 01:37:34 2010 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 21:37:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com><721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48D17C6453974245B7F62516B692AACA@Serene> Have you ever used a BrailleNote? The Apex, the newest model, has wireless capability and multiple USB ports. Therefore, a laptop with a Braille display isn't necessarily the best technology for your future. The fact that a laptop is less expensive for your agency to buy really shouldn't matter to you as a consumer. You're being too nice to the agency! What you need/want matters most. Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jewel S." To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment This is my feelings also. I do not think the refreshable Braille display is a luxury, but an essential tool for my learning. I am a visual and tactile learner, and have a lot of trouble learning by audio teaching only. I often have to re-read what JAWS has read to me several times, and have to rewind audio books if I have the least distraction (such as someone making a comment to me or the radio or tv or pretty much any background noise can distract me). A quick update. They want to do an accessment (laptop or PDA). I'm going to ask about justifying just getting the laptop, as I think it'll be the easiest way to go (more compatibility with programs, more connection with other students, less expensive for DSB, more versatile in future programs that I purchase). The supervisor was not in today; I will speak to him on Monday and get this all straightened out. ~Jewel On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: > Hi all, > > I just wanted to offer that I don't agree that a Braille display is a > "luxury", and that you shouldn't push for Voc Rehab to provide it. Is > having > print a "luxury", for sighted students? No. If Braille is your preferred > reading medium, you shouldn't be forced to just get by with only audio if > that is not how you best learn. They would never send a sighted student > off > to college and say, "Good luck getting by with no print books." Voc Rehab > can provide this for you, and moving up the chain of command will achieve > the quickest results. Every regional office has specific complaint > procedures which you can request in writing from your councilor's manager. > > Just my thoughts, > Briley > On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > >> Hi Jewel and all, >> >> This is an old story that I've heard way too many times from students. >> Your counselor's actions (or non-actions) are ridiculous and >> definitely need to be addressed with her supervisor(s). In the >> meantime, though, I think it's important to come up with a plan B that >> doesn't involve DSB at all, at least while you're waiting. A few >> ideas: >> >> 1. With rehab, I'd focus on getting the computer and scanner. The >> refreshable Braille display and embosser are nice, but they're >> luxuries, not necessities, in my opinion. Asking for just a couple >> pieces of equipment rather than the whole gamut may be less >> complicated/bureaucratic. >> 2. Does your school have an office for blind/disabled students? If so >> they very well might have equipment for loan, like computers, and they >> should have public-access scanners that you can walk in and use. If >> not, find out if there's anywhere else on campus (like the bookstore >> or library) where you can borrow or rent a computer for low or no >> cost. Perhaps family members or friends might have extra computers you >> can borrow? Once you have the computer, you should be able to download >> a free open-source screen reader to use with it. >> 2. The NFB has a technology loan program and your NFB affiliate might >> have one too. Call the NFB Braille and Technology Center at >> 410-659-9314 for details. Of course borrowing equipment for free is >> better than racking up interest, but it could be a last-resort, >> temporary option. >> 3. If you can't get a portable computer, see if any of the public >> computers on your campus are accessible (all Mac's are out of the >> box). What you may need to do in a pinch is use a voice recorder in >> class and then use the public computer for assignments. >> 4. Remember that >> www.rfbd.org >> provides books in audio format, and >> www.bookshare.org >> provides books for free in a text format that you can read on a >> regular computer (either the public computer or a rented one). >> 5. Don't forget that readers are low-tech and relatively cheap >> (usually $7 per hour) and if your school has a community service club, >> you might be able to find volunteer readers. If rehab is >> uncooperative, your school (either the disability resource center or >> the department of your major) may be willing to help pay for readers, >> at least initially while you wait for equipment. >> >> In short, while you should definitely nag rehab to get you what you >> need (especially the laptop, scanner, and perhaps an audio book player >> like a Stream), rehab isn't, and shouldn't be, your only option. I >> think the only piece of equipment that's really mission-critical is a >> computer, and that can be either a personal computer or a public >> computer. Even your local public library might have a public computer >> you can use. I'd recommend staying in your classes if at all possible. >> Textbooks can be read with readers (readers can even be students in >> your classes, who have to read the books anyway), or with a public >> scanner (which might be available in the library or DRC). >> >> Best of luck and please keep us posted on your progress. >> Arielle >> >> On 7/22/10, William ODonnell wrote: >>> I would have to say that I agree with Joe on many of the points he has >>> made. >>> Also, keep some things “off record” with your councilor. I am referring >>> to >>> the suggestions of you purchasing a net book that you provided in your >>> email. Remember the following approach: don’t ask, don’t tell or do not >>> give any additional information than requested. >>> In addition, always copy a supervisor when you’re documenting so the >>> context >>> of what you discuss is not altered or misrepresented at a later date. >>> Finally, investigate whether or not your local independent living center >>> has >>> advocates that will speak on your behalf. >>> Note: some colleges and universities have laptops or net books that >>> disabled >>> students can reserve from there DSS office for use during class. In >>> regard >>> to readers or reading services, some organizations for the blind as well >>> as >>> community centers have people from the community who volunteer who may >>> assist you. In addition, check with your college or university to see >>> if >>> you can post an add requesting for volunteers to assist you when time is >>> of >>> the essence and your accommodations/equipment is not available. I say >>> the >>> following since it is a reality. Note: I do not want to discourage or >>> scare >>> you; however, throughout your college career, you will learn and see >>> that >>> you will need to liquidate all avenues since many times you will >>> experience >>> faulty services and accommodations while meeting important deadlines as >>> any >>> other student. You will need to be strong and always be your own >>> advocate >>> while never losing focus with your agenda. >>> >>> >>> --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Joe Orozco wrote: >>> >>>> From: Joe Orozco >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>> >>>> Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:30 AM >>>> Hi Jewel, >>>> >>>> I see online that North Carolina just started a new fiscal >>>> year. This is >>>> bad, because this is when agencies can afford to lapse a >>>> little. If I were >>>> you, and taking your budget into consideration, this is my >>>> personal >>>> recommendation: >>>> >>>> 1. Take Justin's suggestion and go straight to the director >>>> of that field >>>> office. It's not your job to ease this counselor into >>>> her new position. >>>> Your first priority is getting what you need to be ready >>>> for school. Put >>>> your communications to the director in writing. Say >>>> in your first e-mail >>>> that you will follow up via telephone in a few days to talk >>>> about what can >>>> be done. Later, after your phone call, send another >>>> e-mail summarizing what >>>> was talked about. Always keep a written record of >>>> your communications. In >>>> the letter you should give a brief summary of the events to >>>> this point, but >>>> I would spend more time listing the equipment you need and >>>> a good >>>> justification for why you need them. This may >>>> somewhat minimize the need >>>> for an assessment if you can give concrete reasons for why >>>> the products are >>>> required. Also, rank your products in order of most >>>> important. The Victor >>>> Stream, for example, may be a necessity, but it could >>>> probably go near or at >>>> the bottom since your top priority is the ability to take >>>> notes in class. >>>> >>>> 2. Locate the individual or office that handles technology >>>> assessments. The >>>> more people you have inquiring into your case, the better, >>>> and even if they >>>> say they need to hear from your counselor, when your >>>> counselor calls the >>>> people will be familiar with you and have more of an >>>> incentive to act. >>>> >>>> 3. Talk to your NFB affiliate president. He or she >>>> may know of someone >>>> working in the agency who can look into your case. >>>> The affiliate should >>>> also prove to be a good advocate on your behalf. >>>> >>>> 4. Locate your nearest Lions Club. They may be able >>>> to step in and help >>>> with the cost of a netbook. If you can get that, you >>>> can use one of the >>>> free or reasonably priced screen readers while you wait for >>>> your other >>>> technology to arrive. The main thing is to get you >>>> something for the first >>>> day of class, and I think your Lions Club or Rotary Club >>>> should be able to >>>> generate $300 on your behalf. >>>> >>>> This is, at least, a start. I'm in a bit of a rush >>>> but can offer more later >>>> if you're still in a bind. Hopefully others will >>>> chime in as well. >>>> >>>> Best of luck, >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up >>>> their sleeves, >>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at >>>> all."--Sam Ewing >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>> On Behalf Of Jewel S. >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM >>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. >>>> I begin >>>> classes August 16, and have been working toward getting >>>> some needed >>>> equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a >>>> refreshable >>>> Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette >>>> embosser, a >>>> scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury >>>> (spelling?), and JAWS >>>> for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my >>>> side to get >>>> this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned >>>> recently to a >>>> new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first >>>> position). >>>> She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let >>>> alone how >>>> to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for >>>> review of >>>> my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with >>>> that >>>> information, despite him having stated that I needed an >>>> assessment >>>> with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I >>>> asked him what >>>> the next step was again that he said that my counselor >>>> should have set >>>> up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, >>>> he had >>>> said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I >>>> needed to >>>> just wait for the referral to go through). >>>> >>>> Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the >>>> referral done, the >>>> paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At >>>> first, they >>>> told me it would take two to three weeks to get the >>>> equipment. Then >>>> they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take >>>> up to two >>>> months! >>>> >>>> Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the >>>> equipment I >>>> need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than >>>> getting a >>>> notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my >>>> slate and >>>> stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate >>>> for a few >>>> lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very >>>> badly, so I >>>> don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have >>>> a voice >>>> recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds >>>> to purchase >>>> one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). >>>> >>>> I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my >>>> equipment >>>> comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to >>>> mean that >>>> I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has >>>> suggested places >>>> to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it >>>> also. When I >>>> asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop >>>> promised me >>>> by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the >>>> laptop I would >>>> purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if >>>> it's used, how >>>> can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for >>>> such a >>>> laptop? >>>> >>>> Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? >>>> SWhat should >>>> I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, >>>> who should I >>>> bring this up with? >>>> >>>> As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a >>>> way to record >>>> the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or >>>> complete >>>> worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on >>>> other >>>> students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and >>>> will not be >>>> able to participate when the class reads the books. I might >>>> as well >>>> not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From >>>> what DSB is >>>> telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before >>>> I get any >>>> of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a >>>> reasonable >>>> accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes >>>> and wait >>>> until next semester? I will not be able to participate >>>> appropriately >>>> in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be >>>> drastically >>>> effected by this. >>>> >>>> Any advice, please? >>>> >>>> Yours, >>>> Jewel Shuping >>>> Wake Tech Community College >>>> Raleigh, NC >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>> account >>>> info for nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>>> %40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>> account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/william.odonnell1%40yahoo.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Arielle Silverman >> President, National Association of Blind Students >> Phone: 602-502-2255 >> Email: >> nabs.president at gmail.com >> Website: >> www.nabslink.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From serenacucco at verizon.net Mon Jul 26 01:59:08 2010 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 21:59:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Navigating Festivals References: Message-ID: Hi Kerrie, Asking for assistance at the festival is definitely fine and a wize idea. Calling ahead would probably work. One thing to know: just cuz people are probably drinking doesn't mean they can't help you out. Sure, being with a sober friend/person in charge is ideal, but someone who is drunk can help you, even if he/she has to give you sighted guide cuz he/she can't figure out left and right. At my college, there was an annual campus party called Quad Jam. I often went with friends, but once had to go alone. Since I knew my campus well, I was able to travel alone, only getting assistance with food. Luckily, an acquaintance of mine saw me and walked with me to the BQ and found someone to assist me. Good luck at your festival! Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerri Kosten" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:28 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Navigating Festivals > Hi All! > > I have a few questions about going to/navigating large, loud festivals > as a blind person. > > There is a festival going on here called Mountain Fest. It is a > festival for motor cyclists/bikers but it is also a regular festival > with live music, food, games, contests, socialization, and people. I > am not really into biking/motor cycling, but I really want to go for > the food, socialization, music, people, and just to get out of the > house. However, I as of yet can not find anyone to go with me. So, I > was wondering...what is the best way to do this as a blind person? > > The festival is at a huge park called Milan Park. From what I've read, > Milan Park has a huge huge hill which is very hard to walk up. The > food and live music are at the bottom of the hill and it will be very > crowded and there isn't much space to really sit anywhere. However, > after you get the food you want, you can take a shuttle bus up to the > top of the hill to a place called the Coal Bucket Saloon where they > have drinks (I'm assuming both alcahol and non-alcahol) and there is > more room to sit. So, unfortunately, as you can see this is not just a > little thing where you can just walk around everywhere...I guess you > have to get your food, then take the bus to the top of the hill. > However, from what I've been told the food is very good...they have > funnel cake, turkey legs, and this pork barbeque where you can get > three different types of barbeque sauce on it...and who knows what > else...that's just like two items of many. > > Also, I don't know if this is at the top or the bottom of the hill, > but they have a stage for the live music, several motor cycle shows, > tents where sponsors for the festival are set up, a kids corner, a > vendor mall (I'm assuming sort of like the exhibit hall) where they > will be selling motor cycle stuff, as well as Mountain Fest T-shirts > and merchandise. I don't know where all the food vendors are but I > know that there are several...all I know is the food is at the bottom > of the hill and the Coal Bucket Saloon which has places to sit is at > the top and you have to take a shuttle bus to get up to it. > > Should I just walk around and ask every person I hear for > assistance/to point me in the right direction? > > The festival does have a website with contact info and Milan Park has > a phone number...should I call ahead? If so, what should I tell them? > Is it possible/proper for someone to assist me to get food and tell me > what all the food vendors are and help me to the Coal Bucket Saloon to > a seat? Then, I figure if I want more food or to go back down to the > bottom of the hill I can figure it out or ask. > > I know there will be many people around...but I know many of them will > be drinking. > > It will also be very loud. > > Are people at festivals usually nice? What about bikers? > > If I can not find anybody to go with, should I just not go? I know not > going would be easier, but I have missed out on a couple of events > that have gone on here in the past couple of months because of just > not going. > > Is anyone on the list from Morgantown, W.VA or familiar with it, > Mountain Fest, or Milan Park? > > I'd really like to go to this...even just for a couple of hours. > > > Thanks for all info/help you can give! > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Mon Jul 26 16:11:45 2010 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:11:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Navigating Festivals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Serena and All! Thanks for the suggestions. Just to give an update, I didn't end up going to the festival. First of all, it was way to hot to be walking all around outside. Also, there were like 30,000 bikers in town for it and not something anyone blind or sighted should've gone to on their own. Also, with all the bikers in town on the roads and not knowing how to drive properly, it was very hard for cabs to take people to and from the festival. In fact, one of the cab drivers I frequently take came very close to getting into an accident because he was trapped in with like six or eight bikers in front of him and a couple behind him. The ones behind him kept coming up on him and gunning their engines then falling back. When he could finally go, the bikers behind him passed him and blocked his way causing him to swerve into another lane and almost hit an oncoming car. It was crazy here with all the bikers...it wasn't just a little festival...it was huge and I'm sure there were several accidents between the bikers and motorists! Our county fair is coming up in about two weeks. For some reason, the fair was stopped for a few years so I'm excited. The fair is being held at the same location as Mountain Fest was, Milan Park. I looked online at the schedule yesterday and it's gonna be pretty big too but of course nothing like Mountain Fest and much more of a family friendly thing. So, I'll definitely take your advice for that! The fair doesn't open until the evening, around 5 PM so it shouldn't be too hot! Anyway, thanks so much! Kerri On 7/25/10, Serena wrote: > Hi Kerrie, > > Asking for assistance at the festival is definitely fine and a wize idea. > Calling ahead would probably work. One thing to know: just cuz people are > probably drinking doesn't mean they can't help you out. Sure, being with a > sober friend/person in charge is ideal, but someone who is drunk can help > you, even if he/she has to give you sighted guide cuz he/she can't figure > out left and right. At my college, there was an annual campus party called > Quad Jam. I often went with friends, but once had to go alone. Since I > knew > my campus well, I was able to travel alone, only getting assistance with > food. Luckily, an acquaintance of mine saw me and walked with me to the BQ > and found someone to assist me. > > Good luck at your festival! > > Serena > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kerri Kosten" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:28 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Navigating Festivals > > >> Hi All! >> >> I have a few questions about going to/navigating large, loud festivals >> as a blind person. >> >> There is a festival going on here called Mountain Fest. It is a >> festival for motor cyclists/bikers but it is also a regular festival >> with live music, food, games, contests, socialization, and people. I >> am not really into biking/motor cycling, but I really want to go for >> the food, socialization, music, people, and just to get out of the >> house. However, I as of yet can not find anyone to go with me. So, I >> was wondering...what is the best way to do this as a blind person? >> >> The festival is at a huge park called Milan Park. From what I've read, >> Milan Park has a huge huge hill which is very hard to walk up. The >> food and live music are at the bottom of the hill and it will be very >> crowded and there isn't much space to really sit anywhere. However, >> after you get the food you want, you can take a shuttle bus up to the >> top of the hill to a place called the Coal Bucket Saloon where they >> have drinks (I'm assuming both alcahol and non-alcahol) and there is >> more room to sit. So, unfortunately, as you can see this is not just a >> little thing where you can just walk around everywhere...I guess you >> have to get your food, then take the bus to the top of the hill. >> However, from what I've been told the food is very good...they have >> funnel cake, turkey legs, and this pork barbeque where you can get >> three different types of barbeque sauce on it...and who knows what >> else...that's just like two items of many. >> >> Also, I don't know if this is at the top or the bottom of the hill, >> but they have a stage for the live music, several motor cycle shows, >> tents where sponsors for the festival are set up, a kids corner, a >> vendor mall (I'm assuming sort of like the exhibit hall) where they >> will be selling motor cycle stuff, as well as Mountain Fest T-shirts >> and merchandise. I don't know where all the food vendors are but I >> know that there are several...all I know is the food is at the bottom >> of the hill and the Coal Bucket Saloon which has places to sit is at >> the top and you have to take a shuttle bus to get up to it. >> >> Should I just walk around and ask every person I hear for >> assistance/to point me in the right direction? >> >> The festival does have a website with contact info and Milan Park has >> a phone number...should I call ahead? If so, what should I tell them? >> Is it possible/proper for someone to assist me to get food and tell me >> what all the food vendors are and help me to the Coal Bucket Saloon to >> a seat? Then, I figure if I want more food or to go back down to the >> bottom of the hill I can figure it out or ask. >> >> I know there will be many people around...but I know many of them will >> be drinking. >> >> It will also be very loud. >> >> Are people at festivals usually nice? What about bikers? >> >> If I can not find anybody to go with, should I just not go? I know not >> going would be easier, but I have missed out on a couple of events >> that have gone on here in the past couple of months because of just >> not going. >> >> Is anyone on the list from Morgantown, W.VA or familiar with it, >> Mountain Fest, or Milan Park? >> >> I'd really like to go to this...even just for a couple of hours. >> >> >> Thanks for all info/help you can give! >> Kerri >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > From earle at handytech.us Mon Jul 26 16:22:05 2010 From: earle at handytech.us (Earle Harrison) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 11:22:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Olympus DM4 Now Available from Handy Tech North America Message-ID: <00b401cb2cde$b195af90$14c10eb0$@us> The Olympus DM4 is available from Handy Tech North America for $299 plus shipping in the united states and we have them in stock. 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DM-4 also features Nuance Vocalizer for text-to-speech to provide voice guidance, enabling visually challenged users to achieve equal accessibility while capturing recordings or moving through the device's menu, folders and set-up options. Users are also able to hear file details like date, time, artist, title and preset keyword to easily identify files without having to listen to them. The unit is compatible with "PCs" and "MAC". Package includes DM-4, Lithium- Ion Battery, AC Adapter, Olympus Sonority Software, Stereo Earphones, USB Cable, USB Adapter, Carrying case, Strap, Instruction Manual. From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Mon Jul 26 17:05:13 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:05:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Navigating Festivals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yea...when I read your message about a biker festival, I figured it'd be pretty crazy. I would never go to a place like that alone. I'd go only if one of my biker friends were around and able to go too (no one's going to mess with a biker's girl). I am so not into going to these big festivals, though, but I know some are, that's why I didn't say anything. The fair is a much, much better idea. I would definitely suggest going with a friend. Fairs are so much more fun in a group, seriously. I've never had as much fun alone at a festival or fair as when I'm with a group. The more, the better! You can always split into smaller groups later. If you have a romantic interest, a fair is a wonderful place to go out on a date. He can show you how well he can do the games to get you a prize, and you can show him how "brave" you are on the wild rides. Just don't throw up all over the both of you in tthe middle of a ride that changes direction...no, it didn't happen to me, but I saw it happen once. A girl was riding with her boyfriend...this was a ride that switches directions very suddenly. She threw up just as the ride switched direction and the vomit slammed back into her face and her boyfriend's...ewww!!! So yea...that was gross. But fairs are lots of fun. Just watch out for the crowds! ~Jewel On 7/26/10, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hey Serena and All! > > Thanks for the suggestions. > > Just to give an update, I didn't end up going to the festival. > > First of all, it was way to hot to be walking all around outside. > > Also, there were like 30,000 bikers in town for it and not something > anyone blind or sighted should've gone to on their own. > > Also, with all the bikers in town on the roads and not knowing how to > drive properly, it was very hard for cabs to take people to and from > the festival. In fact, one of the cab drivers I frequently take came > very close to getting into an accident because he was trapped in with > like six or eight bikers in front of him and a couple behind him. The > ones behind him kept coming up on him and gunning their engines then > falling back. When he could finally go, the bikers behind him passed > him and blocked his way causing him to swerve into another lane and > almost hit an oncoming car. > > It was crazy here with all the bikers...it wasn't just a little > festival...it was huge and I'm sure there were several accidents > between the bikers and motorists! > > Our county fair is coming up in about two weeks. For some reason, the > fair was stopped for a few years so I'm excited. The fair is being > held at the same location as Mountain Fest was, Milan Park. I looked > online at the schedule yesterday and it's gonna be pretty big too but > of course nothing like Mountain Fest and much more of a family > friendly thing. So, I'll definitely take your advice for that! > > The fair doesn't open until the evening, around 5 PM so it shouldn't be too > hot! > > Anyway, thanks so much! > > Kerri > > On 7/25/10, Serena wrote: >> Hi Kerrie, >> >> Asking for assistance at the festival is definitely fine and a wize idea. >> Calling ahead would probably work. One thing to know: just cuz people are >> probably drinking doesn't mean they can't help you out. Sure, being with >> a >> sober friend/person in charge is ideal, but someone who is drunk can help >> you, even if he/she has to give you sighted guide cuz he/she can't figure >> out left and right. At my college, there was an annual campus party >> called >> Quad Jam. I often went with friends, but once had to go alone. Since I >> knew >> my campus well, I was able to travel alone, only getting assistance with >> food. Luckily, an acquaintance of mine saw me and walked with me to the >> BQ >> and found someone to assist me. >> >> Good luck at your festival! >> >> Serena >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kerri Kosten" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:28 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Navigating Festivals >> >> >>> Hi All! >>> >>> I have a few questions about going to/navigating large, loud festivals >>> as a blind person. >>> >>> There is a festival going on here called Mountain Fest. It is a >>> festival for motor cyclists/bikers but it is also a regular festival >>> with live music, food, games, contests, socialization, and people. I >>> am not really into biking/motor cycling, but I really want to go for >>> the food, socialization, music, people, and just to get out of the >>> house. However, I as of yet can not find anyone to go with me. So, I >>> was wondering...what is the best way to do this as a blind person? >>> >>> The festival is at a huge park called Milan Park. From what I've read, >>> Milan Park has a huge huge hill which is very hard to walk up. The >>> food and live music are at the bottom of the hill and it will be very >>> crowded and there isn't much space to really sit anywhere. However, >>> after you get the food you want, you can take a shuttle bus up to the >>> top of the hill to a place called the Coal Bucket Saloon where they >>> have drinks (I'm assuming both alcahol and non-alcahol) and there is >>> more room to sit. So, unfortunately, as you can see this is not just a >>> little thing where you can just walk around everywhere...I guess you >>> have to get your food, then take the bus to the top of the hill. >>> However, from what I've been told the food is very good...they have >>> funnel cake, turkey legs, and this pork barbeque where you can get >>> three different types of barbeque sauce on it...and who knows what >>> else...that's just like two items of many. >>> >>> Also, I don't know if this is at the top or the bottom of the hill, >>> but they have a stage for the live music, several motor cycle shows, >>> tents where sponsors for the festival are set up, a kids corner, a >>> vendor mall (I'm assuming sort of like the exhibit hall) where they >>> will be selling motor cycle stuff, as well as Mountain Fest T-shirts >>> and merchandise. I don't know where all the food vendors are but I >>> know that there are several...all I know is the food is at the bottom >>> of the hill and the Coal Bucket Saloon which has places to sit is at >>> the top and you have to take a shuttle bus to get up to it. >>> >>> Should I just walk around and ask every person I hear for >>> assistance/to point me in the right direction? >>> >>> The festival does have a website with contact info and Milan Park has >>> a phone number...should I call ahead? If so, what should I tell them? >>> Is it possible/proper for someone to assist me to get food and tell me >>> what all the food vendors are and help me to the Coal Bucket Saloon to >>> a seat? Then, I figure if I want more food or to go back down to the >>> bottom of the hill I can figure it out or ask. >>> >>> I know there will be many people around...but I know many of them will >>> be drinking. >>> >>> It will also be very loud. >>> >>> Are people at festivals usually nice? What about bikers? >>> >>> If I can not find anybody to go with, should I just not go? I know not >>> going would be easier, but I have missed out on a couple of events >>> that have gone on here in the past couple of months because of just >>> not going. >>> >>> Is anyone on the list from Morgantown, W.VA or familiar with it, >>> Mountain Fest, or Milan Park? >>> >>> I'd really like to go to this...even just for a couple of hours. >>> >>> >>> Thanks for all info/help you can give! >>> Kerri >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Mon Jul 26 17:31:56 2010 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:31:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Navigating Festivals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi: Yes, I'm thinking the fair would be much better. I don't like having to go to these things alone...it's just that I live in a very small town and don't have very many friends so often don't have anyone to go with and I hate not getting out of the house. The fair is very popular though so I'm thinking I can find a few people to go with...it shouldn't be too bad. I don't have a boyfriend so that's not an option. And, I never throw up on rides...and I love roller coasters...the faster, the better for me lol! Kerri On 7/26/10, Jewel S. wrote: > Yea...when I read your message about a biker festival, I figured it'd > be pretty crazy. I would never go to a place like that alone. I'd go > only if one of my biker friends were around and able to go too (no > one's going to mess with a biker's girl). I am so not into going to > these big festivals, though, but I know some are, that's why I didn't > say anything. > > The fair is a much, much better idea. I would definitely suggest going > with a friend. Fairs are so much more fun in a group, seriously. I've > never had as much fun alone at a festival or fair as when I'm with a > group. The more, the better! You can always split into smaller groups > later. If you have a romantic interest, a fair is a wonderful place to > go out on a date. He can show you how well he can do the games to get > you a prize, and you can show him how "brave" you are on the wild > rides. Just don't throw up all over the both of you in tthe middle of > a ride that changes direction...no, it didn't happen to me, but I saw > it happen once. A girl was riding with her boyfriend...this was a ride > that switches directions very suddenly. She threw up just as the ride > switched direction and the vomit slammed back into her face and her > boyfriend's...ewww!!! So yea...that was gross. But fairs are lots of > fun. Just watch out for the crowds! > > ~Jewel > > On 7/26/10, Kerri Kosten wrote: >> Hey Serena and All! >> >> Thanks for the suggestions. >> >> Just to give an update, I didn't end up going to the festival. >> >> First of all, it was way to hot to be walking all around outside. >> >> Also, there were like 30,000 bikers in town for it and not something >> anyone blind or sighted should've gone to on their own. >> >> Also, with all the bikers in town on the roads and not knowing how to >> drive properly, it was very hard for cabs to take people to and from >> the festival. In fact, one of the cab drivers I frequently take came >> very close to getting into an accident because he was trapped in with >> like six or eight bikers in front of him and a couple behind him. The >> ones behind him kept coming up on him and gunning their engines then >> falling back. When he could finally go, the bikers behind him passed >> him and blocked his way causing him to swerve into another lane and >> almost hit an oncoming car. >> >> It was crazy here with all the bikers...it wasn't just a little >> festival...it was huge and I'm sure there were several accidents >> between the bikers and motorists! >> >> Our county fair is coming up in about two weeks. For some reason, the >> fair was stopped for a few years so I'm excited. The fair is being >> held at the same location as Mountain Fest was, Milan Park. I looked >> online at the schedule yesterday and it's gonna be pretty big too but >> of course nothing like Mountain Fest and much more of a family >> friendly thing. So, I'll definitely take your advice for that! >> >> The fair doesn't open until the evening, around 5 PM so it shouldn't be >> too >> hot! >> >> Anyway, thanks so much! >> >> Kerri >> >> On 7/25/10, Serena wrote: >>> Hi Kerrie, >>> >>> Asking for assistance at the festival is definitely fine and a wize idea. >>> Calling ahead would probably work. One thing to know: just cuz people >>> are >>> probably drinking doesn't mean they can't help you out. Sure, being with >>> a >>> sober friend/person in charge is ideal, but someone who is drunk can help >>> you, even if he/she has to give you sighted guide cuz he/she can't figure >>> out left and right. At my college, there was an annual campus party >>> called >>> Quad Jam. I often went with friends, but once had to go alone. Since I >>> knew >>> my campus well, I was able to travel alone, only getting assistance with >>> food. Luckily, an acquaintance of mine saw me and walked with me to the >>> BQ >>> and found someone to assist me. >>> >>> Good luck at your festival! >>> >>> Serena >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Kerri Kosten" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:28 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Navigating Festivals >>> >>> >>>> Hi All! >>>> >>>> I have a few questions about going to/navigating large, loud festivals >>>> as a blind person. >>>> >>>> There is a festival going on here called Mountain Fest. It is a >>>> festival for motor cyclists/bikers but it is also a regular festival >>>> with live music, food, games, contests, socialization, and people. I >>>> am not really into biking/motor cycling, but I really want to go for >>>> the food, socialization, music, people, and just to get out of the >>>> house. However, I as of yet can not find anyone to go with me. So, I >>>> was wondering...what is the best way to do this as a blind person? >>>> >>>> The festival is at a huge park called Milan Park. From what I've read, >>>> Milan Park has a huge huge hill which is very hard to walk up. The >>>> food and live music are at the bottom of the hill and it will be very >>>> crowded and there isn't much space to really sit anywhere. However, >>>> after you get the food you want, you can take a shuttle bus up to the >>>> top of the hill to a place called the Coal Bucket Saloon where they >>>> have drinks (I'm assuming both alcahol and non-alcahol) and there is >>>> more room to sit. So, unfortunately, as you can see this is not just a >>>> little thing where you can just walk around everywhere...I guess you >>>> have to get your food, then take the bus to the top of the hill. >>>> However, from what I've been told the food is very good...they have >>>> funnel cake, turkey legs, and this pork barbeque where you can get >>>> three different types of barbeque sauce on it...and who knows what >>>> else...that's just like two items of many. >>>> >>>> Also, I don't know if this is at the top or the bottom of the hill, >>>> but they have a stage for the live music, several motor cycle shows, >>>> tents where sponsors for the festival are set up, a kids corner, a >>>> vendor mall (I'm assuming sort of like the exhibit hall) where they >>>> will be selling motor cycle stuff, as well as Mountain Fest T-shirts >>>> and merchandise. I don't know where all the food vendors are but I >>>> know that there are several...all I know is the food is at the bottom >>>> of the hill and the Coal Bucket Saloon which has places to sit is at >>>> the top and you have to take a shuttle bus to get up to it. >>>> >>>> Should I just walk around and ask every person I hear for >>>> assistance/to point me in the right direction? >>>> >>>> The festival does have a website with contact info and Milan Park has >>>> a phone number...should I call ahead? If so, what should I tell them? >>>> Is it possible/proper for someone to assist me to get food and tell me >>>> what all the food vendors are and help me to the Coal Bucket Saloon to >>>> a seat? Then, I figure if I want more food or to go back down to the >>>> bottom of the hill I can figure it out or ask. >>>> >>>> I know there will be many people around...but I know many of them will >>>> be drinking. >>>> >>>> It will also be very loud. >>>> >>>> Are people at festivals usually nice? What about bikers? >>>> >>>> If I can not find anybody to go with, should I just not go? I know not >>>> going would be easier, but I have missed out on a couple of events >>>> that have gone on here in the past couple of months because of just >>>> not going. >>>> >>>> Is anyone on the list from Morgantown, W.VA or familiar with it, >>>> Mountain Fest, or Milan Park? >>>> >>>> I'd really like to go to this...even just for a couple of hours. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for all info/help you can give! >>>> Kerri >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > From nabs.president at gmail.com Mon Jul 26 18:10:24 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:10:24 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Navigating Festivals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jewel, your friend's vomit story sounds very gross, but also something she and her boyfriend will still remember in thirty years! Arielle On 7/26/10, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hi: > > Yes, I'm thinking the fair would be much better. > > I don't like having to go to these things alone...it's just that I > live in a very small town and don't have very many friends so often > don't have anyone to go with and I hate not getting out of the house. > > The fair is very popular though so I'm thinking I can find a few > people to go with...it shouldn't be too bad. > > I don't have a boyfriend so that's not an option. > > And, I never throw up on rides...and I love roller coasters...the > faster, the better for me lol! > > Kerri > > On 7/26/10, Jewel S. wrote: >> Yea...when I read your message about a biker festival, I figured it'd >> be pretty crazy. I would never go to a place like that alone. I'd go >> only if one of my biker friends were around and able to go too (no >> one's going to mess with a biker's girl). I am so not into going to >> these big festivals, though, but I know some are, that's why I didn't >> say anything. >> >> The fair is a much, much better idea. I would definitely suggest going >> with a friend. Fairs are so much more fun in a group, seriously. I've >> never had as much fun alone at a festival or fair as when I'm with a >> group. The more, the better! You can always split into smaller groups >> later. If you have a romantic interest, a fair is a wonderful place to >> go out on a date. He can show you how well he can do the games to get >> you a prize, and you can show him how "brave" you are on the wild >> rides. Just don't throw up all over the both of you in tthe middle of >> a ride that changes direction...no, it didn't happen to me, but I saw >> it happen once. A girl was riding with her boyfriend...this was a ride >> that switches directions very suddenly. She threw up just as the ride >> switched direction and the vomit slammed back into her face and her >> boyfriend's...ewww!!! So yea...that was gross. But fairs are lots of >> fun. Just watch out for the crowds! >> >> ~Jewel >> >> On 7/26/10, Kerri Kosten wrote: >>> Hey Serena and All! >>> >>> Thanks for the suggestions. >>> >>> Just to give an update, I didn't end up going to the festival. >>> >>> First of all, it was way to hot to be walking all around outside. >>> >>> Also, there were like 30,000 bikers in town for it and not something >>> anyone blind or sighted should've gone to on their own. >>> >>> Also, with all the bikers in town on the roads and not knowing how to >>> drive properly, it was very hard for cabs to take people to and from >>> the festival. In fact, one of the cab drivers I frequently take came >>> very close to getting into an accident because he was trapped in with >>> like six or eight bikers in front of him and a couple behind him. The >>> ones behind him kept coming up on him and gunning their engines then >>> falling back. When he could finally go, the bikers behind him passed >>> him and blocked his way causing him to swerve into another lane and >>> almost hit an oncoming car. >>> >>> It was crazy here with all the bikers...it wasn't just a little >>> festival...it was huge and I'm sure there were several accidents >>> between the bikers and motorists! >>> >>> Our county fair is coming up in about two weeks. For some reason, the >>> fair was stopped for a few years so I'm excited. The fair is being >>> held at the same location as Mountain Fest was, Milan Park. I looked >>> online at the schedule yesterday and it's gonna be pretty big too but >>> of course nothing like Mountain Fest and much more of a family >>> friendly thing. So, I'll definitely take your advice for that! >>> >>> The fair doesn't open until the evening, around 5 PM so it shouldn't be >>> too >>> hot! >>> >>> Anyway, thanks so much! >>> >>> Kerri >>> >>> On 7/25/10, Serena wrote: >>>> Hi Kerrie, >>>> >>>> Asking for assistance at the festival is definitely fine and a wize >>>> idea. >>>> Calling ahead would probably work. One thing to know: just cuz people >>>> are >>>> probably drinking doesn't mean they can't help you out. Sure, being >>>> with >>>> a >>>> sober friend/person in charge is ideal, but someone who is drunk can >>>> help >>>> you, even if he/she has to give you sighted guide cuz he/she can't >>>> figure >>>> out left and right. At my college, there was an annual campus party >>>> called >>>> Quad Jam. I often went with friends, but once had to go alone. Since I >>>> knew >>>> my campus well, I was able to travel alone, only getting assistance with >>>> food. Luckily, an acquaintance of mine saw me and walked with me to the >>>> BQ >>>> and found someone to assist me. >>>> >>>> Good luck at your festival! >>>> >>>> Serena >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Kerri Kosten" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:28 PM >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Navigating Festivals >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi All! >>>>> >>>>> I have a few questions about going to/navigating large, loud festivals >>>>> as a blind person. >>>>> >>>>> There is a festival going on here called Mountain Fest. It is a >>>>> festival for motor cyclists/bikers but it is also a regular festival >>>>> with live music, food, games, contests, socialization, and people. I >>>>> am not really into biking/motor cycling, but I really want to go for >>>>> the food, socialization, music, people, and just to get out of the >>>>> house. However, I as of yet can not find anyone to go with me. So, I >>>>> was wondering...what is the best way to do this as a blind person? >>>>> >>>>> The festival is at a huge park called Milan Park. From what I've read, >>>>> Milan Park has a huge huge hill which is very hard to walk up. The >>>>> food and live music are at the bottom of the hill and it will be very >>>>> crowded and there isn't much space to really sit anywhere. However, >>>>> after you get the food you want, you can take a shuttle bus up to the >>>>> top of the hill to a place called the Coal Bucket Saloon where they >>>>> have drinks (I'm assuming both alcahol and non-alcahol) and there is >>>>> more room to sit. So, unfortunately, as you can see this is not just a >>>>> little thing where you can just walk around everywhere...I guess you >>>>> have to get your food, then take the bus to the top of the hill. >>>>> However, from what I've been told the food is very good...they have >>>>> funnel cake, turkey legs, and this pork barbeque where you can get >>>>> three different types of barbeque sauce on it...and who knows what >>>>> else...that's just like two items of many. >>>>> >>>>> Also, I don't know if this is at the top or the bottom of the hill, >>>>> but they have a stage for the live music, several motor cycle shows, >>>>> tents where sponsors for the festival are set up, a kids corner, a >>>>> vendor mall (I'm assuming sort of like the exhibit hall) where they >>>>> will be selling motor cycle stuff, as well as Mountain Fest T-shirts >>>>> and merchandise. I don't know where all the food vendors are but I >>>>> know that there are several...all I know is the food is at the bottom >>>>> of the hill and the Coal Bucket Saloon which has places to sit is at >>>>> the top and you have to take a shuttle bus to get up to it. >>>>> >>>>> Should I just walk around and ask every person I hear for >>>>> assistance/to point me in the right direction? >>>>> >>>>> The festival does have a website with contact info and Milan Park has >>>>> a phone number...should I call ahead? If so, what should I tell them? >>>>> Is it possible/proper for someone to assist me to get food and tell me >>>>> what all the food vendors are and help me to the Coal Bucket Saloon to >>>>> a seat? Then, I figure if I want more food or to go back down to the >>>>> bottom of the hill I can figure it out or ask. >>>>> >>>>> I know there will be many people around...but I know many of them will >>>>> be drinking. >>>>> >>>>> It will also be very loud. >>>>> >>>>> Are people at festivals usually nice? What about bikers? >>>>> >>>>> If I can not find anybody to go with, should I just not go? I know not >>>>> going would be easier, but I have missed out on a couple of events >>>>> that have gone on here in the past couple of months because of just >>>>> not going. >>>>> >>>>> Is anyone on the list from Morgantown, W.VA or familiar with it, >>>>> Mountain Fest, or Milan Park? >>>>> >>>>> I'd really like to go to this...even just for a couple of hours. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for all info/help you can give! >>>>> Kerri >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From pyyhkala at gmail.com Mon Jul 26 18:20:27 2010 From: pyyhkala at gmail.com (Mika Pyyhkala) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:20:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Olympus DM4 Now Available from Handy Tech North America In-Reply-To: <00b401cb2cde$b195af90$14c10eb0$@us> References: <00b401cb2cde$b195af90$14c10eb0$@us> Message-ID: Do you include some sort of tutorial or more accessible version of the manual, or button layout descriptions? Thanks, Mika Pyyhkala http://twitter.com/pyyhkala On 7/26/10, Earle Harrison wrote: > > The Olympus DM4 is available from Handy Tech North America for $299 plus > shipping in the united states and we have them in stock. If you would like > to purchase, or have questions, please don't hesitate to call: > > 651-636-5184 option 1 > > Or send e-mail to: > > info at handytech.us > > Olympus has released the "DM-4" Digital Audio Device. The DM-4 is a > specialty recorder, designed for a specific market and is only available to > specialty Dealers in the Assistive Technology Markets (Low Vision and > Blindness, Speech, > Hearing, Learning Disabilities, Physical Impairments). > > Olympus DM-4 > The Olympus DM-4 incorporates a Large Color LCD Display, easy to use menus > for audio recording, editing and playback of podcasts, music, audio books, > text > books and DAISY books. > > The DM-4 offers an internal memory of 8GB for over 2,000 hours of recording. > > It also features an external microSD slot that allow for up to an additional > 16GB > of memory. Users can enjoy a wide variety of media for work and leisure, > including audio recordings, music, audio books, podcasts and images. > > It offers sophisticated features like Voice Guidance, Voice Commands, Text > to > Speech, DAISY (Digital Accessible System) and supports Audible.com books, > MP3, WMA and PCM formats. Olympus also includes OLYMPUS SONORITY, > sound editing software. > > The DM-4 is a DAISY Player Certified by Daisy Consortium, meaning it can > play digitally recorded material in the DAISY talking book format popular > with > the visually impaired and those with Dyslexia and other learning > disabilities. > > The DM-4 features robust Speech Recognition capabilities that are powered by > > Nuance VoCon 3200, Nuance's trusted Speech Recognition engine users are > able to speak commands that allow them to access folders and set-up options, > > and easily add items to their lists and calendars. Pre-defined keywords > such > as "work", "travel", "memo" and more can be added to audio files making it > easier to access files by using your voice. > > DM-4 also features Nuance Vocalizer for text-to-speech to provide voice > guidance, enabling visually challenged users to achieve equal accessibility > while > capturing recordings or moving through the device's menu, folders and set-up > > options. Users are also able to hear file details like date, time, artist, > title and > preset keyword to easily identify files without having to listen to them. > > The unit is compatible with "PCs" and "MAC". Package includes DM-4, > Lithium- > Ion Battery, AC Adapter, Olympus Sonority Software, Stereo Earphones, USB > Cable, USB Adapter, Carrying case, Strap, Instruction Manual. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pyyhkala%40gmail.com > From nabs.president at gmail.com Mon Jul 26 22:45:11 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 16:45:11 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: <48D17C6453974245B7F62516B692AACA@Serene> References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> <48D17C6453974245B7F62516B692AACA@Serene> Message-ID: Hi all, You may already know this, but you can get a netbook for $200-$400 which in my opinion is almost as good as a laptop-and also considerably easier to carry. Arielle On 7/25/10, Serena wrote: > Have you ever used a BrailleNote? The Apex, the newest model, has wireless > capability and multiple USB ports. Therefore, a laptop with a Braille > display isn't necessarily the best technology for your future. The fact > that a laptop is less expensive for your agency to buy really shouldn't > matter to you as a consumer. You're being too nice to the agency! What you > need/want matters most. > > Serena > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jewel S." > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:18 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment > > > This is my feelings also. I do not think the refreshable Braille > display is a luxury, but an essential tool for my learning. I am a > visual and tactile learner, and have a lot of trouble learning by > audio teaching only. I often have to re-read what JAWS has read to me > several times, and have to rewind audio books if I have the least > distraction (such as someone making a comment to me or the radio or tv > or pretty much any background noise can distract me). > > A quick update. They want to do an accessment (laptop or PDA). I'm > going to ask about justifying just getting the laptop, as I think > it'll be the easiest way to go (more compatibility with programs, more > connection with other students, less expensive for DSB, more versatile > in future programs that I purchase). The supervisor was not in today; > I will speak to him on Monday and get this all straightened out. > > ~Jewel > > On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I just wanted to offer that I don't agree that a Braille display is a >> "luxury", and that you shouldn't push for Voc Rehab to provide it. Is >> having >> print a "luxury", for sighted students? No. If Braille is your preferred >> reading medium, you shouldn't be forced to just get by with only audio if >> that is not how you best learn. They would never send a sighted student >> off >> to college and say, "Good luck getting by with no print books." Voc Rehab >> can provide this for you, and moving up the chain of command will achieve >> the quickest results. Every regional office has specific complaint >> procedures which you can request in writing from your councilor's manager. >> >> Just my thoughts, >> Briley >> On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> >>> Hi Jewel and all, >>> >>> This is an old story that I've heard way too many times from students. >>> Your counselor's actions (or non-actions) are ridiculous and >>> definitely need to be addressed with her supervisor(s). In the >>> meantime, though, I think it's important to come up with a plan B that >>> doesn't involve DSB at all, at least while you're waiting. A few >>> ideas: >>> >>> 1. With rehab, I'd focus on getting the computer and scanner. The >>> refreshable Braille display and embosser are nice, but they're >>> luxuries, not necessities, in my opinion. Asking for just a couple >>> pieces of equipment rather than the whole gamut may be less >>> complicated/bureaucratic. >>> 2. Does your school have an office for blind/disabled students? If so >>> they very well might have equipment for loan, like computers, and they >>> should have public-access scanners that you can walk in and use. If >>> not, find out if there's anywhere else on campus (like the bookstore >>> or library) where you can borrow or rent a computer for low or no >>> cost. Perhaps family members or friends might have extra computers you >>> can borrow? Once you have the computer, you should be able to download >>> a free open-source screen reader to use with it. >>> 2. The NFB has a technology loan program and your NFB affiliate might >>> have one too. Call the NFB Braille and Technology Center at >>> 410-659-9314 for details. Of course borrowing equipment for free is >>> better than racking up interest, but it could be a last-resort, >>> temporary option. >>> 3. If you can't get a portable computer, see if any of the public >>> computers on your campus are accessible (all Mac's are out of the >>> box). What you may need to do in a pinch is use a voice recorder in >>> class and then use the public computer for assignments. >>> 4. Remember that >>> www.rfbd.org >>> provides books in audio format, and >>> www.bookshare.org >>> provides books for free in a text format that you can read on a >>> regular computer (either the public computer or a rented one). >>> 5. Don't forget that readers are low-tech and relatively cheap >>> (usually $7 per hour) and if your school has a community service club, >>> you might be able to find volunteer readers. If rehab is >>> uncooperative, your school (either the disability resource center or >>> the department of your major) may be willing to help pay for readers, >>> at least initially while you wait for equipment. >>> >>> In short, while you should definitely nag rehab to get you what you >>> need (especially the laptop, scanner, and perhaps an audio book player >>> like a Stream), rehab isn't, and shouldn't be, your only option. I >>> think the only piece of equipment that's really mission-critical is a >>> computer, and that can be either a personal computer or a public >>> computer. Even your local public library might have a public computer >>> you can use. I'd recommend staying in your classes if at all possible. >>> Textbooks can be read with readers (readers can even be students in >>> your classes, who have to read the books anyway), or with a public >>> scanner (which might be available in the library or DRC). >>> >>> Best of luck and please keep us posted on your progress. >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 7/22/10, William ODonnell wrote: >>>> I would have to say that I agree with Joe on many of the points he has >>>> made. >>>> Also, keep some things “off record” with your councilor. I am referring >>>> to >>>> the suggestions of you purchasing a net book that you provided in your >>>> email. Remember the following approach: don’t ask, don’t tell or do not >>>> give any additional information than requested. >>>> In addition, always copy a supervisor when you’re documenting so the >>>> context >>>> of what you discuss is not altered or misrepresented at a later date. >>>> Finally, investigate whether or not your local independent living center >>>> has >>>> advocates that will speak on your behalf. >>>> Note: some colleges and universities have laptops or net books that >>>> disabled >>>> students can reserve from there DSS office for use during class. In >>>> regard >>>> to readers or reading services, some organizations for the blind as well >>>> as >>>> community centers have people from the community who volunteer who may >>>> assist you. In addition, check with your college or university to see >>>> if >>>> you can post an add requesting for volunteers to assist you when time is >>>> of >>>> the essence and your accommodations/equipment is not available. I say >>>> the >>>> following since it is a reality. Note: I do not want to discourage or >>>> scare >>>> you; however, throughout your college career, you will learn and see >>>> that >>>> you will need to liquidate all avenues since many times you will >>>> experience >>>> faulty services and accommodations while meeting important deadlines as >>>> any >>>> other student. You will need to be strong and always be your own >>>> advocate >>>> while never losing focus with your agenda. >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Joe Orozco wrote: >>>> >>>>> From: Joe Orozco >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>> >>>>> Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:30 AM >>>>> Hi Jewel, >>>>> >>>>> I see online that North Carolina just started a new fiscal >>>>> year. This is >>>>> bad, because this is when agencies can afford to lapse a >>>>> little. If I were >>>>> you, and taking your budget into consideration, this is my >>>>> personal >>>>> recommendation: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Take Justin's suggestion and go straight to the director >>>>> of that field >>>>> office. It's not your job to ease this counselor into >>>>> her new position. >>>>> Your first priority is getting what you need to be ready >>>>> for school. Put >>>>> your communications to the director in writing. Say >>>>> in your first e-mail >>>>> that you will follow up via telephone in a few days to talk >>>>> about what can >>>>> be done. Later, after your phone call, send another >>>>> e-mail summarizing what >>>>> was talked about. Always keep a written record of >>>>> your communications. In >>>>> the letter you should give a brief summary of the events to >>>>> this point, but >>>>> I would spend more time listing the equipment you need and >>>>> a good >>>>> justification for why you need them. This may >>>>> somewhat minimize the need >>>>> for an assessment if you can give concrete reasons for why >>>>> the products are >>>>> required. Also, rank your products in order of most >>>>> important. The Victor >>>>> Stream, for example, may be a necessity, but it could >>>>> probably go near or at >>>>> the bottom since your top priority is the ability to take >>>>> notes in class. >>>>> >>>>> 2. Locate the individual or office that handles technology >>>>> assessments. The >>>>> more people you have inquiring into your case, the better, >>>>> and even if they >>>>> say they need to hear from your counselor, when your >>>>> counselor calls the >>>>> people will be familiar with you and have more of an >>>>> incentive to act. >>>>> >>>>> 3. Talk to your NFB affiliate president. He or she >>>>> may know of someone >>>>> working in the agency who can look into your case. >>>>> The affiliate should >>>>> also prove to be a good advocate on your behalf. >>>>> >>>>> 4. Locate your nearest Lions Club. They may be able >>>>> to step in and help >>>>> with the cost of a netbook. If you can get that, you >>>>> can use one of the >>>>> free or reasonably priced screen readers while you wait for >>>>> your other >>>>> technology to arrive. The main thing is to get you >>>>> something for the first >>>>> day of class, and I think your Lions Club or Rotary Club >>>>> should be able to >>>>> generate $300 on your behalf. >>>>> >>>>> This is, at least, a start. I'm in a bit of a rush >>>>> but can offer more later >>>>> if you're still in a bind. Hopefully others will >>>>> chime in as well. >>>>> >>>>> Best of luck, >>>>> >>>>> Joe >>>>> >>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up >>>>> their sleeves, >>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at >>>>> all."--Sam Ewing >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>> On Behalf Of Jewel S. >>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM >>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. >>>>> I begin >>>>> classes August 16, and have been working toward getting >>>>> some needed >>>>> equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a >>>>> refreshable >>>>> Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette >>>>> embosser, a >>>>> scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury >>>>> (spelling?), and JAWS >>>>> for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my >>>>> side to get >>>>> this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned >>>>> recently to a >>>>> new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first >>>>> position). >>>>> She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let >>>>> alone how >>>>> to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for >>>>> review of >>>>> my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with >>>>> that >>>>> information, despite him having stated that I needed an >>>>> assessment >>>>> with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I >>>>> asked him what >>>>> the next step was again that he said that my counselor >>>>> should have set >>>>> up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, >>>>> he had >>>>> said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I >>>>> needed to >>>>> just wait for the referral to go through). >>>>> >>>>> Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the >>>>> referral done, the >>>>> paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At >>>>> first, they >>>>> told me it would take two to three weeks to get the >>>>> equipment. Then >>>>> they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take >>>>> up to two >>>>> months! >>>>> >>>>> Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the >>>>> equipment I >>>>> need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than >>>>> getting a >>>>> notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my >>>>> slate and >>>>> stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate >>>>> for a few >>>>> lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very >>>>> badly, so I >>>>> don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have >>>>> a voice >>>>> recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds >>>>> to purchase >>>>> one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). >>>>> >>>>> I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my >>>>> equipment >>>>> comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to >>>>> mean that >>>>> I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has >>>>> suggested places >>>>> to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it >>>>> also. When I >>>>> asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop >>>>> promised me >>>>> by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the >>>>> laptop I would >>>>> purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if >>>>> it's used, how >>>>> can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for >>>>> such a >>>>> laptop? >>>>> >>>>> Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? >>>>> SWhat should >>>>> I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, >>>>> who should I >>>>> bring this up with? >>>>> >>>>> As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a >>>>> way to record >>>>> the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or >>>>> complete >>>>> worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on >>>>> other >>>>> students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and >>>>> will not be >>>>> able to participate when the class reads the books. I might >>>>> as well >>>>> not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From >>>>> what DSB is >>>>> telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before >>>>> I get any >>>>> of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a >>>>> reasonable >>>>> accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes >>>>> and wait >>>>> until next semester? I will not be able to participate >>>>> appropriately >>>>> in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be >>>>> drastically >>>>> effected by this. >>>>> >>>>> Any advice, please? >>>>> >>>>> Yours, >>>>> Jewel Shuping >>>>> Wake Tech Community College >>>>> Raleigh, NC >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>> account >>>>> info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>> account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/william.odonnell1%40yahoo.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Arielle Silverman >>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>> Phone: 602-502-2255 >>> Email: >>> nabs.president at gmail.com >>> Website: >>> www.nabslink.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Mon Jul 26 23:02:08 2010 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:02:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com><721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com><48D17C6453974245B7F62516B692AACA@Serene> Message-ID: <05D422CE47A64422B83620E3CCF8172D@hometwxakonvzn> What is a netbook, and how are they different than a laptop? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment Hi all, You may already know this, but you can get a netbook for $200-$400 which in my opinion is almost as good as a laptop-and also considerably easier to carry. Arielle On 7/25/10, Serena wrote: > Have you ever used a BrailleNote? The Apex, the newest model, has > wireless > capability and multiple USB ports. Therefore, a laptop with a Braille > display isn't necessarily the best technology for your future. The fact > that a laptop is less expensive for your agency to buy really shouldn't > matter to you as a consumer. You're being too nice to the agency! What > you > need/want matters most. > > Serena > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jewel S." > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:18 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment > > > This is my feelings also. I do not think the refreshable Braille > display is a luxury, but an essential tool for my learning. I am a > visual and tactile learner, and have a lot of trouble learning by > audio teaching only. I often have to re-read what JAWS has read to me > several times, and have to rewind audio books if I have the least > distraction (such as someone making a comment to me or the radio or tv > or pretty much any background noise can distract me). > > A quick update. They want to do an accessment (laptop or PDA). I'm > going to ask about justifying just getting the laptop, as I think > it'll be the easiest way to go (more compatibility with programs, more > connection with other students, less expensive for DSB, more versatile > in future programs that I purchase). The supervisor was not in today; > I will speak to him on Monday and get this all straightened out. > > ~Jewel > > On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I just wanted to offer that I don't agree that a Braille display is a >> "luxury", and that you shouldn't push for Voc Rehab to provide it. Is >> having >> print a "luxury", for sighted students? No. If Braille is your preferred >> reading medium, you shouldn't be forced to just get by with only audio if >> that is not how you best learn. They would never send a sighted student >> off >> to college and say, "Good luck getting by with no print books." Voc Rehab >> can provide this for you, and moving up the chain of command will achieve >> the quickest results. Every regional office has specific complaint >> procedures which you can request in writing from your councilor's >> manager. >> >> Just my thoughts, >> Briley >> On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> >>> Hi Jewel and all, >>> >>> This is an old story that I've heard way too many times from students. >>> Your counselor's actions (or non-actions) are ridiculous and >>> definitely need to be addressed with her supervisor(s). In the >>> meantime, though, I think it's important to come up with a plan B that >>> doesn't involve DSB at all, at least while you're waiting. A few >>> ideas: >>> >>> 1. With rehab, I'd focus on getting the computer and scanner. The >>> refreshable Braille display and embosser are nice, but they're >>> luxuries, not necessities, in my opinion. Asking for just a couple >>> pieces of equipment rather than the whole gamut may be less >>> complicated/bureaucratic. >>> 2. Does your school have an office for blind/disabled students? If so >>> they very well might have equipment for loan, like computers, and they >>> should have public-access scanners that you can walk in and use. If >>> not, find out if there's anywhere else on campus (like the bookstore >>> or library) where you can borrow or rent a computer for low or no >>> cost. Perhaps family members or friends might have extra computers you >>> can borrow? Once you have the computer, you should be able to download >>> a free open-source screen reader to use with it. >>> 2. The NFB has a technology loan program and your NFB affiliate might >>> have one too. Call the NFB Braille and Technology Center at >>> 410-659-9314 for details. Of course borrowing equipment for free is >>> better than racking up interest, but it could be a last-resort, >>> temporary option. >>> 3. If you can't get a portable computer, see if any of the public >>> computers on your campus are accessible (all Mac's are out of the >>> box). What you may need to do in a pinch is use a voice recorder in >>> class and then use the public computer for assignments. >>> 4. Remember that >>> www.rfbd.org >>> provides books in audio format, and >>> www.bookshare.org >>> provides books for free in a text format that you can read on a >>> regular computer (either the public computer or a rented one). >>> 5. Don't forget that readers are low-tech and relatively cheap >>> (usually $7 per hour) and if your school has a community service club, >>> you might be able to find volunteer readers. If rehab is >>> uncooperative, your school (either the disability resource center or >>> the department of your major) may be willing to help pay for readers, >>> at least initially while you wait for equipment. >>> >>> In short, while you should definitely nag rehab to get you what you >>> need (especially the laptop, scanner, and perhaps an audio book player >>> like a Stream), rehab isn't, and shouldn't be, your only option. I >>> think the only piece of equipment that's really mission-critical is a >>> computer, and that can be either a personal computer or a public >>> computer. Even your local public library might have a public computer >>> you can use. I'd recommend staying in your classes if at all possible. >>> Textbooks can be read with readers (readers can even be students in >>> your classes, who have to read the books anyway), or with a public >>> scanner (which might be available in the library or DRC). >>> >>> Best of luck and please keep us posted on your progress. >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 7/22/10, William ODonnell wrote: >>>> I would have to say that I agree with Joe on many of the points he has >>>> made. >>>> Also, keep some things “off record” with your councilor. I am >>>> referring >>>> to >>>> the suggestions of you purchasing a net book that you provided in your >>>> email. Remember the following approach: don’t ask, don’t tell or do >>>> not >>>> give any additional information than requested. >>>> In addition, always copy a supervisor when you’re documenting so the >>>> context >>>> of what you discuss is not altered or misrepresented at a later date. >>>> Finally, investigate whether or not your local independent living >>>> center >>>> has >>>> advocates that will speak on your behalf. >>>> Note: some colleges and universities have laptops or net books that >>>> disabled >>>> students can reserve from there DSS office for use during class. In >>>> regard >>>> to readers or reading services, some organizations for the blind as >>>> well >>>> as >>>> community centers have people from the community who volunteer who may >>>> assist you. In addition, check with your college or university to see >>>> if >>>> you can post an add requesting for volunteers to assist you when time >>>> is >>>> of >>>> the essence and your accommodations/equipment is not available. I say >>>> the >>>> following since it is a reality. Note: I do not want to discourage or >>>> scare >>>> you; however, throughout your college career, you will learn and see >>>> that >>>> you will need to liquidate all avenues since many times you will >>>> experience >>>> faulty services and accommodations while meeting important deadlines as >>>> any >>>> other student. You will need to be strong and always be your own >>>> advocate >>>> while never losing focus with your agenda. >>>> >>>> >>>> --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Joe Orozco wrote: >>>> >>>>> From: Joe Orozco >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>> >>>>> Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:30 AM >>>>> Hi Jewel, >>>>> >>>>> I see online that North Carolina just started a new fiscal >>>>> year. This is >>>>> bad, because this is when agencies can afford to lapse a >>>>> little. If I were >>>>> you, and taking your budget into consideration, this is my >>>>> personal >>>>> recommendation: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Take Justin's suggestion and go straight to the director >>>>> of that field >>>>> office. It's not your job to ease this counselor into >>>>> her new position. >>>>> Your first priority is getting what you need to be ready >>>>> for school. Put >>>>> your communications to the director in writing. Say >>>>> in your first e-mail >>>>> that you will follow up via telephone in a few days to talk >>>>> about what can >>>>> be done. Later, after your phone call, send another >>>>> e-mail summarizing what >>>>> was talked about. Always keep a written record of >>>>> your communications. In >>>>> the letter you should give a brief summary of the events to >>>>> this point, but >>>>> I would spend more time listing the equipment you need and >>>>> a good >>>>> justification for why you need them. This may >>>>> somewhat minimize the need >>>>> for an assessment if you can give concrete reasons for why >>>>> the products are >>>>> required. Also, rank your products in order of most >>>>> important. The Victor >>>>> Stream, for example, may be a necessity, but it could >>>>> probably go near or at >>>>> the bottom since your top priority is the ability to take >>>>> notes in class. >>>>> >>>>> 2. Locate the individual or office that handles technology >>>>> assessments. The >>>>> more people you have inquiring into your case, the better, >>>>> and even if they >>>>> say they need to hear from your counselor, when your >>>>> counselor calls the >>>>> people will be familiar with you and have more of an >>>>> incentive to act. >>>>> >>>>> 3. Talk to your NFB affiliate president. He or she >>>>> may know of someone >>>>> working in the agency who can look into your case. >>>>> The affiliate should >>>>> also prove to be a good advocate on your behalf. >>>>> >>>>> 4. Locate your nearest Lions Club. They may be able >>>>> to step in and help >>>>> with the cost of a netbook. If you can get that, you >>>>> can use one of the >>>>> free or reasonably priced screen readers while you wait for >>>>> your other >>>>> technology to arrive. The main thing is to get you >>>>> something for the first >>>>> day of class, and I think your Lions Club or Rotary Club >>>>> should be able to >>>>> generate $300 on your behalf. >>>>> >>>>> This is, at least, a start. I'm in a bit of a rush >>>>> but can offer more later >>>>> if you're still in a bind. Hopefully others will >>>>> chime in as well. >>>>> >>>>> Best of luck, >>>>> >>>>> Joe >>>>> >>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up >>>>> their sleeves, >>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at >>>>> all."--Sam Ewing >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>> On Behalf Of Jewel S. >>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM >>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. >>>>> I begin >>>>> classes August 16, and have been working toward getting >>>>> some needed >>>>> equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a >>>>> refreshable >>>>> Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette >>>>> embosser, a >>>>> scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury >>>>> (spelling?), and JAWS >>>>> for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my >>>>> side to get >>>>> this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned >>>>> recently to a >>>>> new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first >>>>> position). >>>>> She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let >>>>> alone how >>>>> to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for >>>>> review of >>>>> my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with >>>>> that >>>>> information, despite him having stated that I needed an >>>>> assessment >>>>> with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I >>>>> asked him what >>>>> the next step was again that he said that my counselor >>>>> should have set >>>>> up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, >>>>> he had >>>>> said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I >>>>> needed to >>>>> just wait for the referral to go through). >>>>> >>>>> Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the >>>>> referral done, the >>>>> paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At >>>>> first, they >>>>> told me it would take two to three weeks to get the >>>>> equipment. Then >>>>> they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take >>>>> up to two >>>>> months! >>>>> >>>>> Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the >>>>> equipment I >>>>> need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than >>>>> getting a >>>>> notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my >>>>> slate and >>>>> stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate >>>>> for a few >>>>> lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very >>>>> badly, so I >>>>> don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have >>>>> a voice >>>>> recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds >>>>> to purchase >>>>> one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). >>>>> >>>>> I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my >>>>> equipment >>>>> comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to >>>>> mean that >>>>> I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has >>>>> suggested places >>>>> to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it >>>>> also. When I >>>>> asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop >>>>> promised me >>>>> by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the >>>>> laptop I would >>>>> purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if >>>>> it's used, how >>>>> can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for >>>>> such a >>>>> laptop? >>>>> >>>>> Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? >>>>> SWhat should >>>>> I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, >>>>> who should I >>>>> bring this up with? >>>>> >>>>> As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a >>>>> way to record >>>>> the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or >>>>> complete >>>>> worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on >>>>> other >>>>> students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and >>>>> will not be >>>>> able to participate when the class reads the books. I might >>>>> as well >>>>> not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From >>>>> what DSB is >>>>> telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before >>>>> I get any >>>>> of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a >>>>> reasonable >>>>> accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes >>>>> and wait >>>>> until next semester? I will not be able to participate >>>>> appropriately >>>>> in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be >>>>> drastically >>>>> effected by this. >>>>> >>>>> Any advice, please? >>>>> >>>>> Yours, >>>>> Jewel Shuping >>>>> Wake Tech Community College >>>>> Raleigh, NC >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>> account >>>>> info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>> account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/william.odonnell1%40yahoo.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Arielle Silverman >>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>> Phone: 602-502-2255 >>> Email: >>> nabs.president at gmail.com >>> Website: >>> www.nabslink.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Mon Jul 26 23:41:30 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:41:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: <05D422CE47A64422B83620E3CCF8172D@hometwxakonvzn> References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> <48D17C6453974245B7F62516B692AACA@Serene> <05D422CE47A64422B83620E3CCF8172D@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: A netbook is essentially an inexpensive notebook computer. They are smaller in size, and have a less powerful processor, and usually USB and network connections, no floppy drives, no cd-rom or dvd drives etc. They generally sell in the $200 to $500 range. Dave At 06:02 PM 7/26/2010, you wrote: >What is a netbook, and how are they different than a laptop? >----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" > >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 6:45 PM >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment > > >Hi all, > >You may already know this, but you can get a netbook for $200-$400 >which in my opinion is almost as good as a laptop-and also >considerably easier to carry. > >Arielle > >On 7/25/10, Serena wrote: >>Have you ever used a BrailleNote? The Apex, the newest model, has wireless >>capability and multiple USB ports. Therefore, a laptop with a Braille >>display isn't necessarily the best technology for your future. The fact >>that a laptop is less expensive for your agency to buy really shouldn't >>matter to you as a consumer. You're being too nice to the agency! What you >>need/want matters most. >> >>Serena >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jewel S." >>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >>Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:18 PM >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >> >> >>This is my feelings also. I do not think the refreshable Braille >>display is a luxury, but an essential tool for my learning. I am a >>visual and tactile learner, and have a lot of trouble learning by >>audio teaching only. I often have to re-read what JAWS has read to me >>several times, and have to rewind audio books if I have the least >>distraction (such as someone making a comment to me or the radio or tv >>or pretty much any background noise can distract me). >> >>A quick update. They want to do an accessment (laptop or PDA). I'm >>going to ask about justifying just getting the laptop, as I think >>it'll be the easiest way to go (more compatibility with programs, more >>connection with other students, less expensive for DSB, more versatile >>in future programs that I purchase). The supervisor was not in today; >>I will speak to him on Monday and get this all straightened out. >> >>~Jewel >> >>On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>Hi all, >>> >>>I just wanted to offer that I don't agree that a Braille display is a >>>"luxury", and that you shouldn't push for Voc Rehab to provide it. Is >>>having >>>print a "luxury", for sighted students? No. If Braille is your preferred >>>reading medium, you shouldn't be forced to just get by with only audio if >>>that is not how you best learn. They would never send a sighted student >>>off >>>to college and say, "Good luck getting by with no print books." Voc Rehab >>>can provide this for you, and moving up the chain of command will achieve >>>the quickest results. Every regional office has specific complaint >>>procedures which you can request in writing from your councilor's manager. >>> >>>Just my thoughts, >>>Briley >>>On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> >>>>Hi Jewel and all, >>>> >>>>This is an old story that I've heard way too many times from students. >>>>Your counselor's actions (or non-actions) are ridiculous and >>>>definitely need to be addressed with her supervisor(s). In the >>>>meantime, though, I think it's important to come up with a plan B that >>>>doesn't involve DSB at all, at least while you're waiting. A few >>>>ideas: >>>> >>>>1. With rehab, I'd focus on getting the computer and scanner. The >>>>refreshable Braille display and embosser are nice, but they're >>>>luxuries, not necessities, in my opinion. Asking for just a couple >>>>pieces of equipment rather than the whole gamut may be less >>>>complicated/bureaucratic. >>>>2. Does your school have an office for blind/disabled students? If so >>>>they very well might have equipment for loan, like computers, and they >>>>should have public-access scanners that you can walk in and use. If >>>>not, find out if there's anywhere else on campus (like the bookstore >>>>or library) where you can borrow or rent a computer for low or no >>>>cost. Perhaps family members or friends might have extra computers you >>>>can borrow? Once you have the computer, you should be able to download >>>>a free open-source screen reader to use with it. >>>>2. The NFB has a technology loan program and your NFB affiliate might >>>>have one too. Call the NFB Braille and Technology Center at >>>>410-659-9314 for details. Of course borrowing equipment for free is >>>>better than racking up interest, but it could be a last-resort, >>>>temporary option. >>>>3. If you can't get a portable computer, see if any of the public >>>>computers on your campus are accessible (all Mac's are out of the >>>>box). What you may need to do in a pinch is use a voice recorder in >>>>class and then use the public computer for assignments. >>>>4. Remember that >>>>www.rfbd.org >>>>provides books in audio format, and >>>>www.bookshare.org >>>>provides books for free in a text format that you can read on a >>>>regular computer (either the public computer or a rented one). >>>>5. Don't forget that readers are low-tech and relatively cheap >>>>(usually $7 per hour) and if your school has a community service club, >>>>you might be able to find volunteer readers. If rehab is >>>>uncooperative, your school (either the disability resource center or >>>>the department of your major) may be willing to help pay for readers, >>>>at least initially while you wait for equipment. >>>> >>>>In short, while you should definitely nag rehab to get you what you >>>>need (especially the laptop, scanner, and perhaps an audio book player >>>>like a Stream), rehab isn't, and shouldn't be, your only option. I >>>>think the only piece of equipment that's really mission-critical is a >>>>computer, and that can be either a personal computer or a public >>>>computer. Even your local public library might have a public computer >>>>you can use. I'd recommend staying in your classes if at all possible. >>>>Textbooks can be read with readers (readers can even be students in >>>>your classes, who have to read the books anyway), or with a public >>>>scanner (which might be available in the library or DRC). >>>> >>>>Best of luck and please keep us posted on your progress. >>>>Arielle >>>> >>>>On 7/22/10, William ODonnell wrote: >>>>>I would have to say that I agree with Joe on many of the points he has >>>>>made. >>>>>Also, keep some things "off record" with your councilor. I am referring >>>>>to >>>>>the suggestions of you purchasing a net book that you provided in your >>>>>email. Remember the following approach: don't ask, don't tell or do not >>>>>give any additional information than requested. >>>>>In addition, always copy a supervisor when you're documenting so the >>>>>context >>>>>of what you discuss is not altered or misrepresented at a later date. >>>>>Finally, investigate whether or not your local independent living center >>>>>has >>>>>advocates that will speak on your behalf. >>>>>Note: some colleges and universities have laptops or net books that >>>>>disabled >>>>>students can reserve from there DSS office for use during class. In >>>>>regard >>>>>to readers or reading services, some organizations for the blind as well >>>>>as >>>>>community centers have people from the community who volunteer who may >>>>>assist you. In addition, check with your college or university to see >>>>>if >>>>>you can post an add requesting for volunteers to assist you when time is >>>>>of >>>>>the essence and your accommodations/equipment is not available. I say >>>>>the >>>>>following since it is a reality. Note: I do not want to discourage or >>>>>scare >>>>>you; however, throughout your college career, you will learn and see >>>>>that >>>>>you will need to liquidate all avenues since many times you will >>>>>experience >>>>>faulty services and accommodations while meeting important deadlines as >>>>>any >>>>>other student. You will need to be strong and always be your own >>>>>advocate >>>>>while never losing focus with your agenda. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>--- On Thu, 7/22/10, Joe Orozco wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>From: Joe Orozco >>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>>To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>> >>>>>>Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:30 AM >>>>>>Hi Jewel, >>>>>> >>>>>>I see online that North Carolina just started a new fiscal >>>>>>year. This is >>>>>>bad, because this is when agencies can afford to lapse a >>>>>>little. If I were >>>>>>you, and taking your budget into consideration, this is my >>>>>>personal >>>>>>recommendation: >>>>>> >>>>>>1. Take Justin's suggestion and go straight to the director >>>>>>of that field >>>>>>office. It's not your job to ease this counselor into >>>>>>her new position. >>>>>>Your first priority is getting what you need to be ready >>>>>>for school. Put >>>>>>your communications to the director in writing. Say >>>>>>in your first e-mail >>>>>>that you will follow up via telephone in a few days to talk >>>>>>about what can >>>>>>be done. Later, after your phone call, send another >>>>>>e-mail summarizing what >>>>>>was talked about. Always keep a written record of >>>>>>your communications. In >>>>>>the letter you should give a brief summary of the events to >>>>>>this point, but >>>>>>I would spend more time listing the equipment you need and >>>>>>a good >>>>>>justification for why you need them. This may >>>>>>somewhat minimize the need >>>>>>for an assessment if you can give concrete reasons for why >>>>>>the products are >>>>>>required. Also, rank your products in order of most >>>>>>important. The Victor >>>>>>Stream, for example, may be a necessity, but it could >>>>>>probably go near or at >>>>>>the bottom since your top priority is the ability to take >>>>>>notes in class. >>>>>> >>>>>>2. Locate the individual or office that handles technology >>>>>>assessments. The >>>>>>more people you have inquiring into your case, the better, >>>>>>and even if they >>>>>>say they need to hear from your counselor, when your >>>>>>counselor calls the >>>>>>people will be familiar with you and have more of an >>>>>>incentive to act. >>>>>> >>>>>>3. Talk to your NFB affiliate president. He or she >>>>>>may know of someone >>>>>>working in the agency who can look into your case. >>>>>>The affiliate should >>>>>>also prove to be a good advocate on your behalf. >>>>>> >>>>>>4. Locate your nearest Lions Club. They may be able >>>>>>to step in and help >>>>>>with the cost of a netbook. If you can get that, you >>>>>>can use one of the >>>>>>free or reasonably priced screen readers while you wait for >>>>>>your other >>>>>>technology to arrive. The main thing is to get you >>>>>>something for the first >>>>>>day of class, and I think your Lions Club or Rotary Club >>>>>>should be able to >>>>>>generate $300 on your behalf. >>>>>> >>>>>>This is, at least, a start. I'm in a bit of a rush >>>>>>but can offer more later >>>>>>if you're still in a bind. Hopefully others will >>>>>>chime in as well. >>>>>> >>>>>>Best of luck, >>>>>> >>>>>>Joe >>>>>> >>>>>>"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up >>>>>>their sleeves, >>>>>>some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at >>>>>>all."--Sam Ewing >>>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>> >>>>>>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>>>On Behalf Of Jewel S. >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM >>>>>>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>> >>>>>>Dear all, >>>>>> >>>>>>I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. >>>>>>I begin >>>>>>classes August 16, and have been working toward getting >>>>>>some needed >>>>>>equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a >>>>>>refreshable >>>>>>Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette >>>>>>embosser, a >>>>>>scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury >>>>>>(spelling?), and JAWS >>>>>>for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my >>>>>>side to get >>>>>>this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned >>>>>>recently to a >>>>>>new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first >>>>>>position). >>>>>>She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let >>>>>>alone how >>>>>>to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for >>>>>>review of >>>>>>my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with >>>>>>that >>>>>>information, despite him having stated that I needed an >>>>>>assessment >>>>>>with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I >>>>>>asked him what >>>>>>the next step was again that he said that my counselor >>>>>>should have set >>>>>>up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, >>>>>>he had >>>>>>said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I >>>>>>needed to >>>>>>just wait for the referral to go through). >>>>>> >>>>>>Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the >>>>>>referral done, the >>>>>>paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At >>>>>>first, they >>>>>>told me it would take two to three weeks to get the >>>>>>equipment. Then >>>>>>they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take >>>>>>up to two >>>>>>months! >>>>>> >>>>>>Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the >>>>>>equipment I >>>>>>need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than >>>>>>getting a >>>>>>notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my >>>>>>slate and >>>>>>stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate >>>>>>for a few >>>>>>lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very >>>>>>badly, so I >>>>>>don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have >>>>>>a voice >>>>>>recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds >>>>>>to purchase >>>>>>one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). >>>>>> >>>>>>I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my >>>>>>equipment >>>>>>comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to >>>>>>mean that >>>>>>I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has >>>>>>suggested places >>>>>>to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it >>>>>>also. When I >>>>>>asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop >>>>>>promised me >>>>>>by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the >>>>>>laptop I would >>>>>>purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if >>>>>>it's used, how >>>>>>can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for >>>>>>such a >>>>>>laptop? >>>>>> >>>>>>Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? >>>>>>SWhat should >>>>>>I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, >>>>>>who should I >>>>>>bring this up with? >>>>>> >>>>>>As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a >>>>>>way to record >>>>>>the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or >>>>>>complete >>>>>>worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on >>>>>>other >>>>>>students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and >>>>>>will not be >>>>>>able to participate when the class reads the books. I might >>>>>>as well >>>>>>not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From >>>>>>what DSB is >>>>>>telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before >>>>>>I get any >>>>>>of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a >>>>>>reasonable >>>>>>accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes >>>>>>and wait >>>>>>until next semester? I will not be able to participate >>>>>>appropriately >>>>>>in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be >>>>>>drastically >>>>>>effected by this. >>>>>> >>>>>>Any advice, please? >>>>>> >>>>>>Yours, >>>>>>Jewel Shuping >>>>>>Wake Tech Community College >>>>>>Raleigh, NC >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>>>account >>>>>>info for nabs-l: >>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>>>>>%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>>>account info for nabs-l: >>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/william.odonnell1%40yahoo.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Arielle Silverman >>>>President, National Association of Blind Students >>>>Phone: 602-502-2255 >>>>Email: >>>>nabs.president at gmail.com >>>>Website: >>>>www.nabslink.org >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > > >-- >Arielle Silverman >President, National Association of Blind Students >Phone: 602-502-2255 >Email: >nabs.president at gmail.com >Website: >www.nabslink.org > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 5315 (20100726) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com > > David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 01:12:44 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:12:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> <48D17C6453974245B7F62516B692AACA@Serene> <05D422CE47A64422B83620E3CCF8172D@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: Someone told me that notebooks don't have the memory capacity to run JAWS and Microsoft Office at the same time. Is this true? I was told a netbook would not fit my needs for school, that a laptop is what I need. And...an update! I talked to my VR counselor's supervisor. He told me that if I can get the man who did the initial assessment to recommend a laptop and provide the specs for it (memory capacity, programs needed such as JAWS and Microsoft Office, etc) and sent that recommendation with the others to my counselor, she could process it quicker and while it would take 30 days from the day she submitted the order to when I got my equipment, I would be able to get a few ideas before school. For instance, since the Victor Stream is a comparitively inexpensive item and is not customized, I would have one by the time school starts if we go the order in this week (a possibility if the man who did the assessment got his paperwork over to my counselor in the next few days, which is possible). And with the $500 that DSB provides for books and supplies, I would be able to get the 32 gb flash drive I need for my textbooks (DSS will put my textbook word documents on a flash drive, if I provide the flash drive, which would make it easier to get it on the Victor or on a laptop). I'll also have a recording device, since that's built in the Victor Stream. In this way, I'll be able to start classes and not fall behind. It won't be perfect, but there won't be a whole lot going on the first week of classes, and I can make do with what I have, along with readers and possibly a notetaker for the week after that. So there we go. It's a start. As long as they do this, I'll be all right, I think. On 7/26/10, David Andrews wrote: > A netbook is essentially an inexpensive notebook computer. They are > smaller in size, and have a less powerful processor, and usually USB > and network connections, no floppy drives, no cd-rom or dvd drives etc. > > They generally sell in the $200 to $500 range. > > Dave > > At 06:02 PM 7/26/2010, you wrote: >>What is a netbook, and how are they different than a laptop? >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" >> >>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >>Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 6:45 PM >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >> >> >>Hi all, >> >>You may already know this, but you can get a netbook for $200-$400 >>which in my opinion is almost as good as a laptop-and also >>considerably easier to carry. >> >>Arielle >> >>On 7/25/10, Serena wrote: >>>Have you ever used a BrailleNote? The Apex, the newest model, has >>> wireless >>>capability and multiple USB ports. Therefore, a laptop with a Braille >>>display isn't necessarily the best technology for your future. The fact >>>that a laptop is less expensive for your agency to buy really shouldn't >>>matter to you as a consumer. You're being too nice to the agency! What >>> you >>>need/want matters most. >>> >>>Serena >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Jewel S." >>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>>Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:18 PM >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>> >>> >>>This is my feelings also. I do not think the refreshable Braille >>>display is a luxury, but an essential tool for my learning. I am a >>>visual and tactile learner, and have a lot of trouble learning by >>>audio teaching only. I often have to re-read what JAWS has read to me >>>several times, and have to rewind audio books if I have the least >>>distraction (such as someone making a comment to me or the radio or tv >>>or pretty much any background noise can distract me). >>> >>>A quick update. They want to do an accessment (laptop or PDA). I'm >>>going to ask about justifying just getting the laptop, as I think >>>it'll be the easiest way to go (more compatibility with programs, more >>>connection with other students, less expensive for DSB, more versatile >>>in future programs that I purchase). The supervisor was not in today; >>>I will speak to him on Monday and get this all straightened out. >>> >>>~Jewel >>> >>>On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: >>>>Hi all, >>>> >>>>I just wanted to offer that I don't agree that a Braille display is a >>>>"luxury", and that you shouldn't push for Voc Rehab to provide it. Is >>>>having >>>>print a "luxury", for sighted students? No. If Braille is your preferred >>>>reading medium, you shouldn't be forced to just get by with only audio if >>>>that is not how you best learn. They would never send a sighted student >>>>off >>>>to college and say, "Good luck getting by with no print books." Voc Rehab >>>>can provide this for you, and moving up the chain of command will achieve >>>>the quickest results. Every regional office has specific complaint >>>>procedures which you can request in writing from your councilor's >>>> manager. >>>> >>>>Just my thoughts, >>>>Briley >>>>On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hi Jewel and all, >>>>> >>>>>This is an old story that I've heard way too many times from students. >>>>>Your counselor's actions (or non-actions) are ridiculous and >>>>>definitely need to be addressed with her supervisor(s). In the >>>>>meantime, though, I think it's important to come up with a plan B that >>>>>doesn't involve DSB at all, at least while you're waiting. A few >>>>>ideas: >>>>> >>>>>1. With rehab, I'd focus on getting the computer and scanner. The >>>>>refreshable Braille display and embosser are nice, but they're >>>>>luxuries, not necessities, in my opinion. Asking for just a couple >>>>>pieces of equipment rather than the whole gamut may be less >>>>>complicated/bureaucratic. >>>>>2. Does your school have an office for blind/disabled students? If so >>>>>they very well might have equipment for loan, like computers, and they >>>>>should have public-access scanners that you can walk in and use. If >>>>>not, find out if there's anywhere else on campus (like the bookstore >>>>>or library) where you can borrow or rent a computer for low or no >>>>>cost. Perhaps family members or friends might have extra computers you >>>>>can borrow? Once you have the computer, you should be able to download >>>>>a free open-source screen reader to use with it. >>>>>2. The NFB has a technology loan program and your NFB affiliate might >>>>>have one too. Call the NFB Braille and Technology Center at >>>>>410-659-9314 for details. Of course borrowing equipment for free is >>>>>better than racking up interest, but it could be a last-resort, >>>>>temporary option. >>>>>3. If you can't get a portable computer, see if any of the public >>>>>computers on your campus are accessible (all Mac's are out of the >>>>>box). What you may need to do in a pinch is use a voice recorder in >>>>>class and then use the public computer for assignments. >>>>>4. Remember that >>>>>www.rfbd.org >>>>>provides books in audio format, and >>>>>www.bookshare.org >>>>>provides books for free in a text format that you can read on a >>>>>regular computer (either the public computer or a rented one). >>>>>5. Don't forget that readers are low-tech and relatively cheap >>>>>(usually $7 per hour) and if your school has a community service club, >>>>>you might be able to find volunteer readers. If rehab is >>>>>uncooperative, your school (either the disability resource center or >>>>>the department of your major) may be willing to help pay for readers, >>>>>at least initially while you wait for equipment. >>>>> >>>>>In short, while you should definitely nag rehab to get you what you >>>>>need (especially the laptop, scanner, and perhaps an audio book player >>>>>like a Stream), rehab isn't, and shouldn't be, your only option. I >>>>>think the only piece of equipment that's really mission-critical is a >>>>>computer, and that can be either a personal computer or a public >>>>>computer. Even your local public library might have a public computer >>>>>you can use. I'd recommend staying in your classes if at all possible. >>>>>Textbooks can be read with readers (readers can even be students in >>>>>your classes, who have to read the books anyway), or with a public >>>>>scanner (which might be available in the library or DRC). >>>>> >>>>>Best of luck and please keep us posted on your progress. >>>>>Arielle >>>>> >>>>>On 7/22/10, William ODonnell wrote: >>>>>>I would have to say that I agree with Joe on many of the points he has >>>>>>made. >>>>>>Also, keep some things "off record" with your councilor. I am >>>>>> referring >>>>>>to >>>>>>the suggestions of you purchasing a net book that you provided in your >>>>>>email. Remember the following approach: don't ask, don't tell or do >>>>>> not >>>>>>give any additional information than requested. >>>>>>In addition, always copy a supervisor when you're documenting so the >>>>>>context >>>>>>of what you discuss is not altered or misrepresented at a later date. >>>>>>Finally, investigate whether or not your local independent living >>>>>> center >>>>>>has >>>>>>advocates that will speak on your behalf. >>>>>>Note: some colleges and universities have laptops or net books that >>>>>>disabled >>>>>>students can reserve from there DSS office for use during class. In >>>>>>regard >>>>>>to readers or reading services, some organizations for the blind as >>>>>> well >>>>>>as >>>>>>community centers have people from the community who volunteer who may >>>>>>assist you. In addition, check with your college or university to see >>>>>>if >>>>>>you can post an add requesting for volunteers to assist you when time >>>>>> is >>>>>>of >>>>>>the essence and your accommodations/equipment is not available. I say >>>>>>the >>>>>>following since it is a reality. Note: I do not want to discourage or >>>>>>scare >>>>>>you; however, throughout your college career, you will learn and see >>>>>>that >>>>>>you will need to liquidate all avenues since many times you will >>>>>>experience >>>>>>faulty services and accommodations while meeting important deadlines as >>>>>>any >>>>>>other student. You will need to be strong and always be your own >>>>>>advocate >>>>>>while never losing focus with your agenda. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>--- On Thu, 7/22/10, Joe Orozco wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>From: Joe Orozco >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>>>To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:30 AM >>>>>>>Hi Jewel, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I see online that North Carolina just started a new fiscal >>>>>>>year. This is >>>>>>>bad, because this is when agencies can afford to lapse a >>>>>>>little. If I were >>>>>>>you, and taking your budget into consideration, this is my >>>>>>>personal >>>>>>>recommendation: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>1. Take Justin's suggestion and go straight to the director >>>>>>>of that field >>>>>>>office. It's not your job to ease this counselor into >>>>>>>her new position. >>>>>>>Your first priority is getting what you need to be ready >>>>>>>for school. Put >>>>>>>your communications to the director in writing. Say >>>>>>>in your first e-mail >>>>>>>that you will follow up via telephone in a few days to talk >>>>>>>about what can >>>>>>>be done. Later, after your phone call, send another >>>>>>>e-mail summarizing what >>>>>>>was talked about. Always keep a written record of >>>>>>>your communications. In >>>>>>>the letter you should give a brief summary of the events to >>>>>>>this point, but >>>>>>>I would spend more time listing the equipment you need and >>>>>>>a good >>>>>>>justification for why you need them. This may >>>>>>>somewhat minimize the need >>>>>>>for an assessment if you can give concrete reasons for why >>>>>>>the products are >>>>>>>required. Also, rank your products in order of most >>>>>>>important. The Victor >>>>>>>Stream, for example, may be a necessity, but it could >>>>>>>probably go near or at >>>>>>>the bottom since your top priority is the ability to take >>>>>>>notes in class. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>2. Locate the individual or office that handles technology >>>>>>>assessments. The >>>>>>>more people you have inquiring into your case, the better, >>>>>>>and even if they >>>>>>>say they need to hear from your counselor, when your >>>>>>>counselor calls the >>>>>>>people will be familiar with you and have more of an >>>>>>>incentive to act. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>3. Talk to your NFB affiliate president. He or she >>>>>>>may know of someone >>>>>>>working in the agency who can look into your case. >>>>>>>The affiliate should >>>>>>>also prove to be a good advocate on your behalf. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>4. Locate your nearest Lions Club. They may be able >>>>>>>to step in and help >>>>>>>with the cost of a netbook. If you can get that, you >>>>>>>can use one of the >>>>>>>free or reasonably priced screen readers while you wait for >>>>>>>your other >>>>>>>technology to arrive. The main thing is to get you >>>>>>>something for the first >>>>>>>day of class, and I think your Lions Club or Rotary Club >>>>>>>should be able to >>>>>>>generate $300 on your behalf. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>This is, at least, a start. I'm in a bit of a rush >>>>>>>but can offer more later >>>>>>>if you're still in a bind. Hopefully others will >>>>>>>chime in as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Best of luck, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Joe >>>>>>> >>>>>>>"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up >>>>>>>their sleeves, >>>>>>>some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at >>>>>>>all."--Sam Ewing >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>>>>On Behalf Of Jewel S. >>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM >>>>>>>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Dear all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. >>>>>>>I begin >>>>>>>classes August 16, and have been working toward getting >>>>>>>some needed >>>>>>>equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a >>>>>>>refreshable >>>>>>>Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette >>>>>>>embosser, a >>>>>>>scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury >>>>>>>(spelling?), and JAWS >>>>>>>for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my >>>>>>>side to get >>>>>>>this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned >>>>>>>recently to a >>>>>>>new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first >>>>>>>position). >>>>>>>She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let >>>>>>>alone how >>>>>>>to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for >>>>>>>review of >>>>>>>my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with >>>>>>>that >>>>>>>information, despite him having stated that I needed an >>>>>>>assessment >>>>>>>with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I >>>>>>>asked him what >>>>>>>the next step was again that he said that my counselor >>>>>>>should have set >>>>>>>up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, >>>>>>>he had >>>>>>>said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I >>>>>>>needed to >>>>>>>just wait for the referral to go through). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the >>>>>>>referral done, the >>>>>>>paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At >>>>>>>first, they >>>>>>>told me it would take two to three weeks to get the >>>>>>>equipment. Then >>>>>>>they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take >>>>>>>up to two >>>>>>>months! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the >>>>>>>equipment I >>>>>>>need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than >>>>>>>getting a >>>>>>>notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my >>>>>>>slate and >>>>>>>stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate >>>>>>>for a few >>>>>>>lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very >>>>>>>badly, so I >>>>>>>don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have >>>>>>>a voice >>>>>>>recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds >>>>>>>to purchase >>>>>>>one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my >>>>>>>equipment >>>>>>>comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to >>>>>>>mean that >>>>>>>I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has >>>>>>>suggested places >>>>>>>to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it >>>>>>>also. When I >>>>>>>asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop >>>>>>>promised me >>>>>>>by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the >>>>>>>laptop I would >>>>>>>purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if >>>>>>>it's used, how >>>>>>>can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for >>>>>>>such a >>>>>>>laptop? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? >>>>>>>SWhat should >>>>>>>I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, >>>>>>>who should I >>>>>>>bring this up with? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a >>>>>>>way to record >>>>>>>the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or >>>>>>>complete >>>>>>>worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on >>>>>>>other >>>>>>>students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and >>>>>>>will not be >>>>>>>able to participate when the class reads the books. I might >>>>>>>as well >>>>>>>not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From >>>>>>>what DSB is >>>>>>>telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before >>>>>>>I get any >>>>>>>of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a >>>>>>>reasonable >>>>>>>accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes >>>>>>>and wait >>>>>>>until next semester? I will not be able to participate >>>>>>>appropriately >>>>>>>in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be >>>>>>>drastically >>>>>>>effected by this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Any advice, please? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Yours, >>>>>>>Jewel Shuping >>>>>>>Wake Tech Community College >>>>>>>Raleigh, NC >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>>>>account >>>>>>>info for nabs-l: >>>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco >>>>>>>%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >>>>>>>account info for nabs-l: >>>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/william.odonnell1%40yahoo.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>Arielle Silverman >>>>>President, National Association of Blind Students >>>>>Phone: 602-502-2255 >>>>>Email: >>>>>nabs.president at gmail.com >>>>>Website: >>>>>www.nabslink.org >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >> >> >>-- >>Arielle Silverman >>President, National Association of Blind Students >>Phone: 602-502-2255 >>Email: >>nabs.president at gmail.com >>Website: >>www.nabslink.org >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com >> >> >>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >>signature database 5315 (20100726) __________ >> >>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >>http://www.eset.com >> >> > > David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com > Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > -- ~Jewel Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind! Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 01:45:23 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:45:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Work-Study Programs Message-ID: I'm interested in doing a work-study program to help finance my studies, especially after attending Peace College, if I can afford it ($25k a year is sure a lot!). Does anyone have experience with work-study programs? What did you do, and how did it work out? What pros and cons did you discover? From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Jul 27 02:21:36 2010 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 22:21:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com><721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com><48D17C6453974245B7F62516B692AACA@Serene><05D422CE47A64422B83620E3CCF8172D@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: <304F3D8A8DA448F1A5B5BE81AE95466A@Ashley> Jewel, Thanks for the update. Its good you're a great advocate! So you decided to go the laptop way not the braille notetaker. Since you don't have the braille display of a notetaker, I hope they'll provide you the display with your laptop. On your list of equipment, The VR stream is least expensive. So I'm glad they can get that for you fast and you'll have it by the time school starts! The Vr stream is a recorder, book player, text reader and more so I think you'll be impressed with it. What did they say about the other equipment such as a scanner? Keep on them and it will turn out alright. Sincerely, Ashley From nabs.president at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 02:59:11 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:59:11 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: <304F3D8A8DA448F1A5B5BE81AE95466A@Ashley> References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> <48D17C6453974245B7F62516B692AACA@Serene> <05D422CE47A64422B83620E3CCF8172D@hometwxakonvzn> <304F3D8A8DA448F1A5B5BE81AE95466A@Ashley> Message-ID: Hi all, I use JAWS and MS-Office all the time on my netbook (an Acer Aspire One) without problems. Arielle On 7/26/10, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Jewel, > > Thanks for the update. Its good you're a great advocate! > So you decided to go the laptop way not the braille notetaker. Since you > don't have the braille display of a notetaker, I hope they'll provide you > the display with your laptop. On your list of equipment, The VR stream is > least expensive. So I'm glad they can get that for you fast and you'll have > it by the time school starts! The Vr stream is a recorder, book player, > text reader and more so I think you'll be impressed with it. > > What did they say about the other equipment such as a scanner? Keep on them > and it will turn out alright. > > Sincerely, > Ashley > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From nabs.president at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 03:06:22 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 21:06:22 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Announcement from Alabama Message-ID: This didn't make it into the bulletin.. The Alabama Association of Blind Students is raffling off an iPod Touch for its 2010 fund raiser. The winner of the raffle will receive a 32GB Apple ipod Touch. The drawing will be held Wednesday September 1, 2010, and the winner will be notified via phone and e-mail September 2. Tickets are $5 for one, or $10 for three. If you are interested in purchasing tickets for the raffle, please send all personal checks, money orders, or Cashier's checks to: Tamika Williams, AABS President 6060 Southbend Drive North Mobile, Alabama 36619 Please make all checks and money orders payable to Tamika Williams, AABS President, and include AABS iPod Fund Raiser in the memo line of all checks and money orders. On a separate sheet, please include, your name, e-mail address, and phone number in print or Braille. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact, Brittney Urquhart, AABS Vice-President, at blu0001 at auburn.edu Thank you in advance, Tamika From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 03:22:22 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:22:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> <48D17C6453974245B7F62516B692AACA@Serene> <05D422CE47A64422B83620E3CCF8172D@hometwxakonvzn> <304F3D8A8DA448F1A5B5BE81AE95466A@Ashley> Message-ID: I decided to go with the laptop because of its flexibility with third-party programs, ease of connection with the embosser and scanner, and ease of direct connection with other students (I have a document, I put it on a flash drive, give it to another student, they put it on their computer, no translating the file, vice versa). They will be getting a refreshable Braille display to use with the laptop; that was one of the recommendations that was emphasized, because I am so not an audio learner. I did the tutorial for the Victor Stream at rehab and learned quite a bit about it, and agree that it will be awesome and very helpful It will allow me to keep up with my classes until the other equipment comes in. The other equipment will also be coming. I just emphasized the laptop and Braille display as the most important for school. The other equipment include a scanner, Juliette embosser, and a talking scientific calculator (for science and math classes...my little calculator was of very little help with even high school level maths beyond the very basic). I did contact the local chapter president (my adopted mama, actually) and the state president, as well as the supervisor. They all know that I am very independent, but am willing to ask for advise...they know that they shouldn't do things *for* me since if they do that, I'll never learn how to do it myself, but they know that if they tell me how to do something, I'll do it. So that's what happened. They told me how to do what I wanted to do, and I went and did it...most of it at home on the phone so it didn't exhaust me from walking all over in the heat. I'm quite proud of my work, but I've still got lots to do! Tomorrow I gotta call Wake Tech to see if they got the financial aid note from DoE so my tuition is covered (tuition is due Friday) and so I can get my books and supplies. I still haven't heard from the person who did the assessment about getting the recommendations over to my VR counselor, but i'll be on his tail all day tomorrow. I can be merrily annoying when I want to be. At the same time, I'm fighting the leasing office to return my deposit from the move...it's almost a month late and they gave no notice of withholding, so they owe me the full amount back, $495, which I plan on saving toward my Orlando trip next June/July. That's a whole nother mess, but I'm right on their tails, too. Self-advocacy is very important, but I'm still just learning it, as I was a very withdrawn, timid child. I kept away from people because I didn't want to be hurt by them as I had been hurt so many times by bullies and back-stabbing "friends." I was abused emotionally and mentally as a child (my therapist says from what I tell her, my mother may be a true sadist). So, now I'm learning to stick up for myself and not withdraw into myself when someone attacks my opinion, beliefs, or assertions. *smiles* On 7/26/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > > I use JAWS and MS-Office all the time on my netbook (an Acer Aspire > One) without problems. > > Arielle > > On 7/26/10, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Jewel, >> >> Thanks for the update. Its good you're a great advocate! >> So you decided to go the laptop way not the braille notetaker. Since you >> don't have the braille display of a notetaker, I hope they'll provide you >> the display with your laptop. On your list of equipment, The VR stream is >> least expensive. So I'm glad they can get that for you fast and you'll >> have >> it by the time school starts! The Vr stream is a recorder, book player, >> text reader and more so I think you'll be impressed with it. >> >> What did they say about the other equipment such as a scanner? Keep on >> them >> and it will turn out alright. >> >> Sincerely, >> Ashley >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Arielle Silverman > President, National Association of Blind Students > Phone: 602-502-2255 > Email: > nabs.president at gmail.com > Website: > www.nabslink.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > -- ~Jewel Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind! Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 04:44:59 2010 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 00:44:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> <48D17C6453974245B7F62516B692AACA@Serene> <05D422CE47A64422B83620E3CCF8172D@hometwxakonvzn> <304F3D8A8DA448F1A5B5BE81AE95466A@Ashley> Message-ID: Hi, jewel, Thanks for the update and sharing your personal experiences. I have been following this thread and am really impressed with your self-advocacy efforts. I have always used a braille notetaker in the classroom, but I'm sure the laptop and braille display combination would work well for you as you said you are a fast typist! I'm happy to hear that things are moving in a positive direction for you to get the essential equipment in a timely manner. Keep up the good work; I'm sure you will be a successful college student with your determination and perseverance. best of luck and keep us posted! Katie On 7/26/10, Jewel S. wrote: > I decided to go with the laptop because of its flexibility with > third-party programs, ease of connection with the embosser and > scanner, and ease of direct connection with other students (I have a > document, I put it on a flash drive, give it to another student, they > put it on their computer, no translating the file, vice versa). They > will be getting a refreshable Braille display to use with the laptop; > that was one of the recommendations that was emphasized, because I am > so not an audio learner. > > I did the tutorial for the Victor Stream at rehab and learned quite a > bit about it, and agree that it will be awesome and very helpful It > will allow me to keep up with my classes until the other equipment > comes in. > > The other equipment will also be coming. I just emphasized the laptop > and Braille display as the most important for school. The other > equipment include a scanner, Juliette embosser, and a talking > scientific calculator (for science and math classes...my little > calculator was of very little help with even high school level maths > beyond the very basic). > > I did contact the local chapter president (my adopted mama, actually) > and the state president, as well as the supervisor. They all know that > I am very independent, but am willing to ask for advise...they know > that they shouldn't do things *for* me since if they do that, I'll > never learn how to do it myself, but they know that if they tell me > how to do something, I'll do it. So that's what happened. They told me > how to do what I wanted to do, and I went and did it...most of it at > home on the phone so it didn't exhaust me from walking all over in the > heat. I'm quite proud of my work, but I've still got lots to do! > Tomorrow I gotta call Wake Tech to see if they got the financial aid > note from DoE so my tuition is covered (tuition is due Friday) and so > I can get my books and supplies. I still haven't heard from the person > who did the assessment about getting the recommendations over to my VR > counselor, but i'll be on his tail all day tomorrow. I can be merrily > annoying when I want to be. > > At the same time, I'm fighting the leasing office to return my deposit > from the move...it's almost a month late and they gave no notice of > withholding, so they owe me the full amount back, $495, which I plan > on saving toward my Orlando trip next June/July. That's a whole nother > mess, but I'm right on their tails, too. > > Self-advocacy is very important, but I'm still just learning it, as I > was a very withdrawn, timid child. I kept away from people because I > didn't want to be hurt by them as I had been hurt so many times by > bullies and back-stabbing "friends." I was abused emotionally and > mentally as a child (my therapist says from what I tell her, my mother > may be a true sadist). So, now I'm learning to stick up for myself and > not withdraw into myself when someone attacks my opinion, beliefs, or > assertions. *smiles* > > On 7/26/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I use JAWS and MS-Office all the time on my netbook (an Acer Aspire >> One) without problems. >> >> Arielle >> >> On 7/26/10, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Jewel, >>> >>> Thanks for the update. Its good you're a great advocate! >>> So you decided to go the laptop way not the braille notetaker. Since you >>> don't have the braille display of a notetaker, I hope they'll provide you >>> the display with your laptop. On your list of equipment, The VR stream is >>> least expensive. So I'm glad they can get that for you fast and you'll >>> have >>> it by the time school starts! The Vr stream is a recorder, book player, >>> text reader and more so I think you'll be impressed with it. >>> >>> What did they say about the other equipment such as a scanner? Keep on >>> them >>> and it will turn out alright. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> Ashley >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Arielle Silverman >> President, National Association of Blind Students >> Phone: 602-502-2255 >> Email: >> nabs.president at gmail.com >> Website: >> www.nabslink.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > ~Jewel > Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind! > Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From nabs.president at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 05:43:20 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:43:20 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> <48D17C6453974245B7F62516B692AACA@Serene> <05D422CE47A64422B83620E3CCF8172D@hometwxakonvzn> <304F3D8A8DA448F1A5B5BE81AE95466A@Ashley> Message-ID: Hi all, Jewel, I'm glad everything is going to work out with your equipment. Laptops are fine, but just for the benefit of other students who may need to purchase their own computing equipment, all the same functionalities of word processing, Internet connectivity, spreadsheet management, file sharing, etc. are available on a netbook as well as a laptop. Netbooks have USB drive, serial port, and ethernet port (or at least mine does) and you can buy an external USB-connected CD/DVD drive for about $30. I haven't tried the netbook with less common applications such as Duxbury, but the basic MS-Office programs and Internet, email, etc. run fine on a netbook. Again, it's great if rehab agrees to get you a laptop, but if you need to fund your own equipment, a netbook should be fine. On 7/26/10, Katie Wang wrote: > Hi, jewel, > Thanks for the update and sharing your personal experiences. I have > been following this thread and am really impressed with your > self-advocacy efforts. I have always used a braille notetaker in the > classroom, but I'm sure the laptop and braille display combination > would work well for you as you said you are a fast typist! I'm happy > to hear that things are moving in a positive direction for you to get > the essential equipment in a timely manner. Keep up the good work; I'm > sure you will be a successful college student with your determination > and perseverance. best of luck and keep us posted! > Katie > > > On 7/26/10, Jewel S. wrote: >> I decided to go with the laptop because of its flexibility with >> third-party programs, ease of connection with the embosser and >> scanner, and ease of direct connection with other students (I have a >> document, I put it on a flash drive, give it to another student, they >> put it on their computer, no translating the file, vice versa). They >> will be getting a refreshable Braille display to use with the laptop; >> that was one of the recommendations that was emphasized, because I am >> so not an audio learner. >> >> I did the tutorial for the Victor Stream at rehab and learned quite a >> bit about it, and agree that it will be awesome and very helpful It >> will allow me to keep up with my classes until the other equipment >> comes in. >> >> The other equipment will also be coming. I just emphasized the laptop >> and Braille display as the most important for school. The other >> equipment include a scanner, Juliette embosser, and a talking >> scientific calculator (for science and math classes...my little >> calculator was of very little help with even high school level maths >> beyond the very basic). >> >> I did contact the local chapter president (my adopted mama, actually) >> and the state president, as well as the supervisor. They all know that >> I am very independent, but am willing to ask for advise...they know >> that they shouldn't do things *for* me since if they do that, I'll >> never learn how to do it myself, but they know that if they tell me >> how to do something, I'll do it. So that's what happened. They told me >> how to do what I wanted to do, and I went and did it...most of it at >> home on the phone so it didn't exhaust me from walking all over in the >> heat. I'm quite proud of my work, but I've still got lots to do! >> Tomorrow I gotta call Wake Tech to see if they got the financial aid >> note from DoE so my tuition is covered (tuition is due Friday) and so >> I can get my books and supplies. I still haven't heard from the person >> who did the assessment about getting the recommendations over to my VR >> counselor, but i'll be on his tail all day tomorrow. I can be merrily >> annoying when I want to be. >> >> At the same time, I'm fighting the leasing office to return my deposit >> from the move...it's almost a month late and they gave no notice of >> withholding, so they owe me the full amount back, $495, which I plan >> on saving toward my Orlando trip next June/July. That's a whole nother >> mess, but I'm right on their tails, too. >> >> Self-advocacy is very important, but I'm still just learning it, as I >> was a very withdrawn, timid child. I kept away from people because I >> didn't want to be hurt by them as I had been hurt so many times by >> bullies and back-stabbing "friends." I was abused emotionally and >> mentally as a child (my therapist says from what I tell her, my mother >> may be a true sadist). So, now I'm learning to stick up for myself and >> not withdraw into myself when someone attacks my opinion, beliefs, or >> assertions. *smiles* >> >> On 7/26/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I use JAWS and MS-Office all the time on my netbook (an Acer Aspire >>> One) without problems. >>> >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 7/26/10, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> Jewel, >>>> >>>> Thanks for the update. Its good you're a great advocate! >>>> So you decided to go the laptop way not the braille notetaker. Since >>>> you >>>> don't have the braille display of a notetaker, I hope they'll provide >>>> you >>>> the display with your laptop. On your list of equipment, The VR stream >>>> is >>>> least expensive. So I'm glad they can get that for you fast and you'll >>>> have >>>> it by the time school starts! The Vr stream is a recorder, book player, >>>> text reader and more so I think you'll be impressed with it. >>>> >>>> What did they say about the other equipment such as a scanner? Keep on >>>> them >>>> and it will turn out alright. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Arielle Silverman >>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>> Phone: 602-502-2255 >>> Email: >>> nabs.president at gmail.com >>> Website: >>> www.nabslink.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> ~Jewel >> Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind! >> Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From nimerjaber1 at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 05:55:18 2010 From: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com (Nimer Jaber) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 00:55:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> <48D17C6453974245B7F62516B692AACA@Serene> <05D422CE47A64422B83620E3CCF8172D@hometwxakonvzn> <304F3D8A8DA448F1A5B5BE81AE95466A@Ashley> Message-ID: I also use a netbook and all basic wordprocessing, internet and email apps work well. I highly advise you to try something different if you intend to do photo or video editing for whatever reason, but for school purposes it will work fine. Thanks Nimer J On 27/07/2010, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > > Jewel, I'm glad everything is going to work out with your equipment. > Laptops are fine, but just for the benefit of other students who may > need to purchase their own computing equipment, all the same > functionalities of word processing, Internet connectivity, > spreadsheet management, file sharing, etc. are available on a netbook > as well as a laptop. Netbooks have USB drive, serial port, and > ethernet port (or at least mine does) and you can buy an external > USB-connected CD/DVD drive for about $30. I haven't tried the netbook > with less common applications such as Duxbury, but the basic MS-Office > programs and Internet, email, etc. run fine on a netbook. Again, it's > great if rehab agrees to get you a laptop, but if you need to fund > your own equipment, a netbook should be fine. > > On 7/26/10, Katie Wang wrote: >> Hi, jewel, >> Thanks for the update and sharing your personal experiences. I have >> been following this thread and am really impressed with your >> self-advocacy efforts. I have always used a braille notetaker in the >> classroom, but I'm sure the laptop and braille display combination >> would work well for you as you said you are a fast typist! I'm happy >> to hear that things are moving in a positive direction for you to get >> the essential equipment in a timely manner. Keep up the good work; I'm >> sure you will be a successful college student with your determination >> and perseverance. best of luck and keep us posted! >> Katie >> >> >> On 7/26/10, Jewel S. wrote: >>> I decided to go with the laptop because of its flexibility with >>> third-party programs, ease of connection with the embosser and >>> scanner, and ease of direct connection with other students (I have a >>> document, I put it on a flash drive, give it to another student, they >>> put it on their computer, no translating the file, vice versa). They >>> will be getting a refreshable Braille display to use with the laptop; >>> that was one of the recommendations that was emphasized, because I am >>> so not an audio learner. >>> >>> I did the tutorial for the Victor Stream at rehab and learned quite a >>> bit about it, and agree that it will be awesome and very helpful It >>> will allow me to keep up with my classes until the other equipment >>> comes in. >>> >>> The other equipment will also be coming. I just emphasized the laptop >>> and Braille display as the most important for school. The other >>> equipment include a scanner, Juliette embosser, and a talking >>> scientific calculator (for science and math classes...my little >>> calculator was of very little help with even high school level maths >>> beyond the very basic). >>> >>> I did contact the local chapter president (my adopted mama, actually) >>> and the state president, as well as the supervisor. They all know that >>> I am very independent, but am willing to ask for advise...they know >>> that they shouldn't do things *for* me since if they do that, I'll >>> never learn how to do it myself, but they know that if they tell me >>> how to do something, I'll do it. So that's what happened. They told me >>> how to do what I wanted to do, and I went and did it...most of it at >>> home on the phone so it didn't exhaust me from walking all over in the >>> heat. I'm quite proud of my work, but I've still got lots to do! >>> Tomorrow I gotta call Wake Tech to see if they got the financial aid >>> note from DoE so my tuition is covered (tuition is due Friday) and so >>> I can get my books and supplies. I still haven't heard from the person >>> who did the assessment about getting the recommendations over to my VR >>> counselor, but i'll be on his tail all day tomorrow. I can be merrily >>> annoying when I want to be. >>> >>> At the same time, I'm fighting the leasing office to return my deposit >>> from the move...it's almost a month late and they gave no notice of >>> withholding, so they owe me the full amount back, $495, which I plan >>> on saving toward my Orlando trip next June/July. That's a whole nother >>> mess, but I'm right on their tails, too. >>> >>> Self-advocacy is very important, but I'm still just learning it, as I >>> was a very withdrawn, timid child. I kept away from people because I >>> didn't want to be hurt by them as I had been hurt so many times by >>> bullies and back-stabbing "friends." I was abused emotionally and >>> mentally as a child (my therapist says from what I tell her, my mother >>> may be a true sadist). So, now I'm learning to stick up for myself and >>> not withdraw into myself when someone attacks my opinion, beliefs, or >>> assertions. *smiles* >>> >>> On 7/26/10, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I use JAWS and MS-Office all the time on my netbook (an Acer Aspire >>>> One) without problems. >>>> >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>> On 7/26/10, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>> Jewel, >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the update. Its good you're a great advocate! >>>>> So you decided to go the laptop way not the braille notetaker. Since >>>>> you >>>>> don't have the braille display of a notetaker, I hope they'll provide >>>>> you >>>>> the display with your laptop. On your list of equipment, The VR stream >>>>> is >>>>> least expensive. So I'm glad they can get that for you fast and you'll >>>>> have >>>>> it by the time school starts! The Vr stream is a recorder, book >>>>> player, >>>>> text reader and more so I think you'll be impressed with it. >>>>> >>>>> What did they say about the other equipment such as a scanner? Keep on >>>>> them >>>>> and it will turn out alright. >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> Ashley >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Arielle Silverman >>>> President, National Association of Blind Students >>>> Phone: 602-502-2255 >>>> Email: >>>> nabs.president at gmail.com >>>> Website: >>>> www.nabslink.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ~Jewel >>> Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind! >>> Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Arielle Silverman > President, National Association of Blind Students > Phone: 602-502-2255 > Email: > nabs.president at gmail.com > Website: > www.nabslink.org > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > From jess28 at samobile.net Tue Jul 27 12:56:38 2010 From: jess28 at samobile.net (Jess sA Mobile) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:56:38 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Work-Study Programs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07b301cb2d8b$27418320$75c48960$@net> Jewel, Generally, when you apply for the FAFSA they ask you if you are interested in applying for work study. Jessica -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jewel S. Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 7:45 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Work-Study Programs I'm interested in doing a work-study program to help finance my studies, especially after attending Peace College, if I can afford it ($25k a year is sure a lot!). Does anyone have experience with work-study programs? What did you do, and how did it work out? What pros and cons did you discover? _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jess28%40samobile.ne t From rmiller at osb.k12.ok.us Tue Jul 27 13:54:23 2010 From: rmiller at osb.k12.ok.us (Robert Miller) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:54:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility issues with Blackboard using JAWS or WindowEyes. Message-ID: <93C1C7E20B6A40E397B391CECF266AC6@osb.local> Below is an email I received concerning access to Distance Learning applications such as Blackboard, when using different applications. JAWS and WindowEyes are among the list. I don't have access to an Blackboard account, but I thought of all of you. Many of you are JAWS or WindowEyes users and you use Blackboard all the time. I was hoping you might have time to read the short email below and give us your input. I would then, forward your input to the person who sent the email. I've included the person's phone number and email address if you would like to discuss these issues directly. Thank you! Email: I have been asked to query you folks about any known issues with software/hardware accessibility in correlation to distance Learning applications such as Blackboard. We are trying to put together a list of issues with applications such as JAWS, Dragon Naturally Speaking, WindowEyes, Closed Captioning, etc. might have with distance learning applications such as Blackboard. Can you all provide some considerations that you feel should be taken in to account or are possible problems. I am looking for technical issues in as much detail as you can provide. I know this is short notice but our Director has made this a high priority and I will need your responses as soon as you can get them to me. Your input is valued. Thanks Jonathan Woodward Information Services Administrator Oklahoma Department of Rehabilitation Services 405-951-3428 Desk 405-426-2888 Cell jwoodward at okdrs.gov From minesm at me.com Tue Jul 27 16:16:36 2010 From: minesm at me.com (Maurice Mines) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:16:36 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Blackboard questions, your post to the national Association of blind students was Message-ID: <54059FCB-5760-4D55-9BA5-BA42870793C2@me.com> Hello, I continue that I recently health University of Northern Colorado finish the certification of blackboard 94 leaves of myself and other blind students on our campus. I use Jaws for Windows, window eyes, and in my graduate program in educational technology I use the Mac quite heavily. I've had absolutely no major problems using blackboard either in the evaluation phase of blackboard nine order in actual for real coursework. I also have other disabilities that I have to accommodate while using blackboard and would be happy to answer some questions on the other two. I have a written expression disorder a.k.a. I use a cousin of Dragon NaturallySpeaking called MacSpeech Dictate in order to write this message. Half of the significant hearing last sol I use braille as well. As far as technical specifications go. My blackboard tests and certifying blackboard nine were done on an HP Pavilion desktop PC running Windows 7 professional 64-bit so vast I use the 64-bit version of Jaws, and the 64-bit version of window eyes. I also tested this with the 32-bit version of Windows on both a MacBook and iMac specifications the virtual machine which was also running Windows 7 was configured with approximately 2 GB of RAM and two processor cores. The host machines MacBook 2.4 GHz processor for gig of RAM running Mac OSx 10.6.4 with VM Ware fusion 3.2. Jaws version 11 32-bit window eyes version 7.2 32-bit note the 64-bit versions of both of these two screenwriters were used on the HP Pavilion desktop machine running at 2.66 GHz core two dual +2 a.k.a. four processors. Continuing with the Apple specifications iMac running at 2.66 GHz core two duo hard drive on the MacBook 250 GB the iMac 1 TB. I also further tested this by using a Gateway network, and unfortunately the results were not nearly as positive when using them that book so I do have some concerns with the net book when running either jobs or window eyes and using blackboard however due to the rearing variety of net books and their configurations I would simply say work with the student and/or students to attempt to resolve the issues is that, MacSpeech Dictate a.k.a. Dragon is what it would be in the PC world I only use blackboard and the dictation software while using the Apple Mac operating system and Safari so I don't have any feedback on how well the dictation might work in Windows. It's hard to dictation goes blackboard was tested again with both the iMac and the MacBook both machines had MacOS X 10.6.4, MacSpeech Dictate 1.5 acts if you have any further questions comments or concerns please send me e-mail at my student e-mail address listed below, if you need to talk to me via phone please feel free to give me a call at 970-352-1833 I hope this helps you out you do have my permission to use my comments as you see fit. I do have however asked that if you do use my comments in case I am asked about them could you please kindly provided me a copy of those comments if it is appropriate that you very much for reading this and have a great day. maurice amateur radio call sign,kd0iko. national Federation of the blind of Cole Rondo assisted newsline coordinator, office phone 970. 373-3076 Northern Colorado amateur radio club tried Vander, newsletter editor. University of Northern Colorado student e-mail address , mine1533 at bears.unco.edu. note this message has been dictate by using MacSpeech dictate, Some words may be spelled incorrectl, may also be in the wrong context. Please forgive any errors in the text of this communication. Thank you very much forreading this. From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 16:47:31 2010 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:47:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] I did it! Message-ID: Hi listers! I am proud to say that I am now a certified massage therapist! I graduated yesterday and am now looking for a job and working on my certification as a massage therapist from the state!! Rania, From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 16:50:47 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:50:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility issues with Blackboard using JAWS or WindowEyes. In-Reply-To: <93C1C7E20B6A40E397B391CECF266AC6@osb.local> References: <93C1C7E20B6A40E397B391CECF266AC6@osb.local> Message-ID: The only concern I have is that when there's a video, blind students might as well be listening to audio, since there is never Descriptive Video Services, nor a text-based description of what is being seen in the video. Being unable to see does not mean that what we aren't seeing is not important! On 7/27/10, Robert Miller wrote: > Below is an email I received concerning access to Distance Learning > applications such as Blackboard, when using different applications. JAWS > and WindowEyes are among the list. I don't have access to an Blackboard > account, but I thought of all of you. Many of you are JAWS or WindowEyes > users and you use Blackboard all the time. I was hoping you might have time > to read the short email below and give us your input. I would then, forward > your input to the person who sent the email. I've included the person's > phone number and email address if you would like to discuss these issues > directly. Thank you! > > Email: > > I have been asked to query you folks about any known issues with > software/hardware accessibility in correlation to distance Learning > applications such as Blackboard. > > > We are trying to put together a list of issues with applications such as > JAWS, Dragon Naturally Speaking, WindowEyes, Closed Captioning, etc. might > have with distance learning applications such as Blackboard. Can you all > provide some considerations that you feel should be taken in to account or > are possible problems. I am looking for technical issues in as much detail > as you can provide. > > > I know this is short notice but our Director has made this a high priority > and I will need your responses as soon as you can get them to me. Your > input is valued. > > > Thanks > > Jonathan Woodward > > Information Services Administrator > > Oklahoma Department of Rehabilitation Services > > 405-951-3428 Desk > > 405-426-2888 Cell > > jwoodward at okdrs.gov > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > -- ~Jewel Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind! Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 16:46:04 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 12:46:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Work-Study Programs In-Reply-To: <07b301cb2d8b$27418320$75c48960$@net> References: <07b301cb2d8b$27418320$75c48960$@net> Message-ID: Yes, I checked the box. But as I'm sill waiting on my FAFSA due to a loan in rehab from years ago, I haven't gotten to speak to someone. I was just interested in other people's expereiences in work-study...I don't really know anything about it. On 7/27/10, Jess sA Mobile wrote: > Jewel, > Generally, when you apply for the FAFSA they ask you if you are interested > in applying for work study. > Jessica > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Jewel S. > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 7:45 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Work-Study Programs > > I'm interested in doing a work-study program to help finance my > studies, especially after attending Peace College, if I can afford it > ($25k a year is sure a lot!). Does anyone have experience with > work-study programs? What did you do, and how did it work out? What > pros and cons did you discover? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jess28%40samobile.ne > t > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > -- ~Jewel Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind! Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com From alena.roberts2282 at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 17:21:41 2010 From: alena.roberts2282 at gmail.com (alena roberts) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 10:21:41 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] I did it! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Congrats on finishing. It's been quite the journey. I wish you the best in the future. Alena On Jul 27, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Rania Ismail wrote: > Hi listers! > I am proud to say that I am now a certified massage therapist! > I graduated yesterday and am now looking for a job and working on my > certification as a massage therapist from the state!! > Rania, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alena.roberts2282%40gmail.com From serenacucco at verizon.net Tue Jul 27 17:29:05 2010 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:29:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] I did it! References: Message-ID: Congratulations! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rania Ismail" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 12:47 PM Subject: [nabs-l] I did it! > Hi listers! > I am proud to say that I am now a certified massage therapist! > I graduated yesterday and am now looking for a job and working on my > certification as a massage therapist from the state!! > Rania, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From jess28 at samobile.net Tue Jul 27 20:07:29 2010 From: jess28 at samobile.net (Jess sA Mobile) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:07:29 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] I did it! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0a5901cb2dc7$5881e240$0985a6c0$@net> Congratulations Rania, Good Luck . Jessica -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rania Ismail Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:48 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] I did it! Hi listers! I am proud to say that I am now a certified massage therapist! I graduated yesterday and am now looking for a job and working on my certification as a massage therapist from the state!! Rania, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jess28%40samobile.ne t From liamskitten at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 19:21:55 2010 From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Courtney Stover) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:21:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] I did it! In-Reply-To: <0a5901cb2dc7$5881e240$0985a6c0$@net> References: <0a5901cb2dc7$5881e240$0985a6c0$@net> Message-ID: Rania, Congratulations! I've followed your trials and tribulations with the commission for the blind through this list; you've had to overcome some pretty large hurtles, and you managed it. Best of luck on the job front. Courtney On 7/27/10, Jess sA Mobile wrote: > Congratulations Rania, > Good Luck . > Jessica > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Rania Ismail > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:48 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] I did it! > > Hi listers! > I am proud to say that I am now a certified massage therapist! > I graduated yesterday and am now looking for a job and working on my > certification as a massage therapist from the state!! > Rania, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jess28%40samobile.ne > t > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com > From jorgeapaez at mac.com Tue Jul 27 22:35:44 2010 From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:35:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: URGENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE PASS TO ALL YOUR CO... References: Message-ID: <674CD401-4547-4DFE-A77B-0F5CB05586C3@mac.com> Jorge Paez --- President And CEO: Paez Production Networks Please note: this message may contain confidential and/or classified information. Such information is only revealed to the person to whom this communication is directed to. If you have received this message in error, please type "error" in the subject line for the reply message and destroy any and all copies of this message and/or any accompanying media. Begin forwarded message: > From: Daniel > Date: July 26, 2010 4:28:00 PM CDT > To: Aidan McKeever , Anarose Lipkin , Audrey Schading , Betsy Armstrong , Carol Landry , Crista Earl , Dalia Sakas , David Cohen , Dylan Roth , Eliza Dumais , Freedem Scientific , Giamina Venturo , HumanWare LTD , Jocelyn Cohen , Johanna Frederick , John Diodato , Jonah Garnick , Jonathon Moe , Jorge Paez , Juliet Basraoui , Katie Bignell , Kelli Kruger , Keyarra Francois , Lisa Santamarina , Liz Neal , Macy Drake , Mark Santiago , Matteo Mobilio , Matthew Gerloven , Mayya Etis , Meggan Lugo , Molly Reid , Oliver Hubbard , Oliver Hubbard , Ratcliffe , Rebecca Wettick , Sarah-Palmer Garrette , Sophie Samuel , Sophie Sharps , Troy Smith , Yerko Difonis , Zachary Meinecke , Zulema Parmar > Subject: Fw: URGENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE PASS TO ALL YOUR CO... > > > > ---- Original Message ------ > From: "Mignon Gillen" Subject: Fw: URGENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE PASS TO ALL YOUR CO... > Date sent: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:10:37 -0400 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dubby Riffert > To: Borne, Chuck ; Borne, Maxie ; de la Barre, Pierre ; Gaudin, Leo ; LaBarre, Denise ; Banerjee, Hari ; Bolton, Marti ; Borne, Lisa ; Busse, Helmut ; Mizerski, Jacek ; Nickell, Gabriel ; Gillen, Mignon ; Kukrus, Hannelore ; Jarrard, Patricia ; Pfister, Janelle ; Riffert, Rainer ; Turner, Malcolm > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:31 PM > Subject: Fwd: URGENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE PASS TO ALL YOUR CO... > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: "John W. Capone Sr" To: adrianeblank at yahoo.com, caponema at eatel.net, "Claude Shaheen" , "Dubby Riffert" , feecapone at hotmail.com, "Frank Latino" , "John W." , "John W. Capone, Jr." , "JOHN JOHN" , jwilcap at eatel.net, kelatino at yahoo.com, "mark capone" , "stacey horsley" Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 10:50:27 PM > Subject: FW: URGENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE PASS TO ALL YOUR CO... > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > From: pp2piglet at aol.com > Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 22:38:06 -0400 > Subject: Fwd: Fw: URGENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE PASS TO ALL YOUR CO... > To: ladydancer2328 at gmail.com; tcathys at hotmail.com; jeanneeason at hotmail.com; jbridger49 at aol.com; lanceford4 at aol.com; dkulawiak at msn.com; swift70346 at hotmail.com; sndugas at bellsouth.net; scrrjr323 at yahoo.com > > > > > > --Forwarded Message Attachment-- > From: seab12 at att.net > To: ;@smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com > Subject: Fw: URGENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE PASS TO ALL YOUR CO... > Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:00:52 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THIS IS TRUE ACCORDING TO SNOPES.COM > > > URGENT!!! PLEASE CIRCULATE to your friends, family and contacts. > > In the coming days, DO NOT open any message with an attachment called: Black in the White House, regardless of who sent it to you. It is a virus that opens an Olympics torch that burns the whole hard disk C of your computer. This virus comes from a known person who you have in your list. > > Directions: You should send this message to all of your contacts. It is better to receive this e-mail 25 times than to receive the virus and open it. If you receive a message called Black in the White House even if sent by a friend, do not open, and shut down your machine immediately. It is the worst virus announced by CNN. This new virus has been discovered recently it has been classified by Microsoft as the virus most destructive ever. > This virus was discovered yesterday afternoon by McAfee. There is no repair yet for this kind of virus. This virus simply destroys the Zero Sector of the hard disk, where vital information function is stored. > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. See how. From kramc11 at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 22:49:57 2010 From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:49:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: URGENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE PASS TOALL YOUR CO... In-Reply-To: <674CD401-4547-4DFE-A77B-0F5CB05586C3@mac.com> References: <674CD401-4547-4DFE-A77B-0F5CB05586C3@mac.com> Message-ID: <39F1E5CF05BE4357B60CB63C8C5F8AEB@SonyPC> This is a false alarm. According to http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/invitation.asp this is just a rehashing of an old prank chainmail. And, I can't find any CNN reference. We should try to keep these lists clear of unsubstantiated emails promising doom and gloom. They will only serve to spread panic. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Paez" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Cc: "NFBnet Music Talk Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:35 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: URGENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE PASS TOALL YOUR CO... > > Jorge Paez > > > --- > President And CEO: > Paez Production Networks > > > > > > Please note: > this message may contain confidential and/or classified information. > Such information is only revealed to the person to whom this communication > is directed to. > If you have received this message in error, please type "error" in the > subject line for the reply message and destroy any and all copies of this > message and/or any accompanying media. > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Daniel >> Date: July 26, 2010 4:28:00 PM CDT >> To: Aidan McKeever , Anarose Lipkin >> , Audrey Schading , Betsy >> Armstrong , Carol Landry >> , Crista Earl , Dalia Sakas >> , David Cohen , Dylan Roth >> , Eliza Dumais , >> Freedem Scientific , Giamina Venturo >> , HumanWare LTD , >> Jocelyn Cohen , Johanna Frederick >> , John Diodato , Jonah >> Garnick , Jonathon Moe >> , Jorge Paez , Juliet Basraoui >> , Katie Bignell , Kelli >> Kruger , Keyarra Francois >> , Lisa Santamarina , Liz >> Neal , Macy Drake , Mark Santiago >> , Matteo Mobilio , >> Matthew Gerloven , Mayya Etis , >> Meggan Lugo , Molly Reid >> , Oliver Hubbard , Oliver >> Hubbard , Ratcliffe >> , Rebecca Wettick , >> Sarah-Palmer Garrette , Sophie Samuel >> , Sophie Sharps , >> Troy Smith , Yerko Difonis >> , Zachary Meinecke , Zulema >> Parmar >> Subject: Fw: URGENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE PASS TO ALL YOUR >> CO... >> >> >> >> ---- Original Message ------ >> From: "Mignon Gillen" > Subject: Fw: URGENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE PASS TO ALL YOUR >> CO... >> Date sent: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:10:37 -0400 >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Dubby Riffert >> To: Borne, Chuck ; Borne, Maxie ; de la Barre, Pierre ; Gaudin, Leo ; >> LaBarre, Denise ; Banerjee, Hari ; Bolton, Marti ; Borne, Lisa ; Busse, >> Helmut ; Mizerski, Jacek ; Nickell, Gabriel ; Gillen, Mignon ; Kukrus, >> Hannelore ; Jarrard, Patricia ; Pfister, Janelle ; Riffert, Rainer ; >> Turner, Malcolm >> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:31 PM >> Subject: Fwd: URGENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE PASS TO ALL YOUR >> CO... >> >> >> >> ----- Forwarded Message ----- >> From: "John W. Capone Sr" > To: adrianeblank at yahoo.com, caponema at eatel.net, "Claude Shaheen" >> , "Dubby Riffert" , >> feecapone at hotmail.com, "Frank Latino" , "John W." >> , "John W. Capone, Jr." , "JOHN >> JOHN" , jwilcap at eatel.net, kelatino at yahoo.com, >> "mark capone" , "stacey horsley" >> > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 10:50:27 PM >> Subject: FW: URGENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE PASS TO ALL YOUR >> CO... >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> --------------- >> From: pp2piglet at aol.com >> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 22:38:06 -0400 >> Subject: Fwd: Fw: URGENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE PASS TO ALL >> YOUR CO... >> To: ladydancer2328 at gmail.com; tcathys at hotmail.com; >> jeanneeason at hotmail.com; jbridger49 at aol.com; lanceford4 at aol.com; >> dkulawiak at msn.com; swift70346 at hotmail.com; sndugas at bellsouth.net; >> scrrjr323 at yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> >> --Forwarded Message Attachment-- >> From: seab12 at att.net >> To: ;@smtp106.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com >> Subject: Fw: URGENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE PASS TO ALL YOUR >> CO... >> Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 07:00:52 -0500 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> THIS IS TRUE ACCORDING TO SNOPES.COM >> >> >> URGENT!!! PLEASE CIRCULATE to your friends, >> family and contacts. >> >> In the coming days, DO NOT open any message >> with an attachment called: Black in the White House, regardless of who >> sent it to you. It is a virus that opens an Olympics torch that burns >> the whole hard disk C of your computer. This virus comes from a known >> person who you have in your list. >> >> Directions: You should send this message to >> all of your contacts. It is better to receive this e-mail 25 times than >> to receive the virus and open it. If you receive a message called Black >> in the White House even if sent by a friend, do not open, and shut down >> your machine immediately. It is the worst virus announced by CNN. This >> new virus has been discovered recently it has been classified by >> Microsoft as the virus most destructive ever. >> This virus was discovered yesterday afternoon >> by McAfee. There is no repair yet for this kind of virus. This virus >> simply destroys the Zero Sector of the hard disk, where vital information >> function is stored. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> --------------- >> Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from >> your inbox. See how. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 22:55:32 2010 From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:55:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Work-Study Programs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00b801cb2dde$d19dcb00$74d96100$@com> Hi Jewel, I worked for our student support services office at the University of Wisconsin tutoring students under the work study program. As you know, you must indicate your interest in a work study award on the FAFSA. When you get your financial aid award, if you qualify, there will be a particular amount for work study. You can earn up to that amount by working a work study job. Many campus jobs are set aside for work study award recipients. The jobs that are work study are, for the most part, all the same types of jobs that any student can get working for the school. I, a work study recipient, worked alongside student tutors who were not work study recipients. I knew other work study recipients who worked in the libraries and cafeterias. There are a pretty broad range of options available. Receiving work study just makes it a bit easier to get a job, because some jobs are only available to those receiving work study as part of their financial aid award. Best of luck, Sean From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Jul 27 23:33:03 2010 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:33:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible digital recorders References: <009e01cb2abf$8cda7bc0$a68f7340$@com> Message-ID: Kolby, The DM 520 does a lot; read about it online. How much was this? Do the menus talk? Thanks. Ashley From jty727 at gmail.com Tue Jul 27 23:55:03 2010 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:55:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible digital recorders In-Reply-To: References: <009e01cb2abf$8cda7bc0$a68f7340$@com> Message-ID: yes it has a visual display. Its more a matter of knowing where the buttons are. On 7/27/10, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Kolby, > The DM 520 does a lot; read about it online. How much was this? Do the > menus talk? > > Thanks. > Ashley > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Wed Jul 28 00:07:15 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:07:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment In-Reply-To: References: <56028.60919.qm@web30903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <721426C1-472A-4268-B6A8-98C5818860D9@gmail.com> <48D17C6453974245B7F62516B692AACA@Serene> <05D422CE47A64422B83620E3CCF8172D@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: Be careful of your terms -- you used notebook, laptop, and net book, all in one or two sentences. Most people use laptop and notebook interchangeably. The appropriate laptop will do anything you want. A net book is smaller, and in general they have less capacity, hard drive storage and memory. Most have either one gigabyte or two gigabytes of memory. You will need two gigs to run JAWS, Word etc. properly. Most laptops will take two gigs, or 4 gigs, or more. Dave p.s. Hope this helps. DA At 08:12 PM 7/26/2010, you wrote: >Someone told me that notebooks don't have the memory capacity to run >JAWS and Microsoft Office at the same time. Is this true? I was told a >netbook would not fit my needs for school, that a laptop is what I >need. > >And...an update! I talked to my VR counselor's supervisor. He told me >that if I can get the man who did the initial assessment to recommend >a laptop and provide the specs for it (memory capacity, programs >needed such as JAWS and Microsoft Office, etc) and sent that >recommendation with the others to my counselor, she could process it >quicker and while it would take 30 days from the day she submitted the >order to when I got my equipment, I would be able to get a few ideas >before school. For instance, since the Victor Stream is a >comparitively inexpensive item and is not customized, I would have one >by the time school starts if we go the order in this week (a >possibility if the man who did the assessment got his paperwork over >to my counselor in the next few days, which is possible). And with the >$500 that DSB provides for books and supplies, I would be able to get >the 32 gb flash drive I need for my textbooks (DSS will put my >textbook word documents on a flash drive, if I provide the flash >drive, which would make it easier to get it on the Victor or on a >laptop). I'll also have a recording device, since that's built in the >Victor Stream. In this way, I'll be able to start classes and not fall >behind. It won't be perfect, but there won't be a whole lot going on >the first week of classes, and I can make do with what I have, along >with readers and possibly a notetaker for the week after that. > >So there we go. It's a start. As long as they do this, I'll be all >right, I think. > >On 7/26/10, David Andrews wrote: > > A netbook is essentially an inexpensive notebook computer. They are > > smaller in size, and have a less powerful processor, and usually USB > > and network connections, no floppy drives, no cd-rom or dvd drives etc. > > > > They generally sell in the $200 to $500 range. > > > > Dave > > > > At 06:02 PM 7/26/2010, you wrote: > >>What is a netbook, and how are they different than a laptop? > >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" > >> > >>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >> > >>Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 6:45 PM > >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment > >> > >> > >>Hi all, > >> > >>You may already know this, but you can get a netbook for $200-$400 > >>which in my opinion is almost as good as a laptop-and also > >>considerably easier to carry. > >> > >>Arielle > >> > >>On 7/25/10, Serena wrote: > >>>Have you ever used a BrailleNote? The Apex, the newest model, has > >>> wireless > >>>capability and multiple USB ports. Therefore, a laptop with a Braille > >>>display isn't necessarily the best technology for your future. The fact > >>>that a laptop is less expensive for your agency to buy really shouldn't > >>>matter to you as a consumer. You're being too nice to the agency! What > >>> you > >>>need/want matters most. > >>> > >>>Serena > >>> > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>From: "Jewel S." > >>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >>> > >>>Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 2:18 PM > >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment > >>> > >>> > >>>This is my feelings also. I do not think the refreshable Braille > >>>display is a luxury, but an essential tool for my learning. I am a > >>>visual and tactile learner, and have a lot of trouble learning by > >>>audio teaching only. I often have to re-read what JAWS has read to me > >>>several times, and have to rewind audio books if I have the least > >>>distraction (such as someone making a comment to me or the radio or tv > >>>or pretty much any background noise can distract me). > >>> > >>>A quick update. They want to do an accessment (laptop or PDA). I'm > >>>going to ask about justifying just getting the laptop, as I think > >>>it'll be the easiest way to go (more compatibility with programs, more > >>>connection with other students, less expensive for DSB, more versatile > >>>in future programs that I purchase). The supervisor was not in today; > >>>I will speak to him on Monday and get this all straightened out. > >>> > >>>~Jewel > >>> > >>>On 7/23/10, Briley Pollard wrote: > >>>>Hi all, > >>>> > >>>>I just wanted to offer that I don't agree that a Braille display is a > >>>>"luxury", and that you shouldn't push for Voc Rehab to provide it. Is > >>>>having > >>>>print a "luxury", for sighted students? No. If Braille is your preferred > >>>>reading medium, you shouldn't be forced to just get by with only audio if > >>>>that is not how you best learn. They would never send a sighted student > >>>>off > >>>>to college and say, "Good luck getting by with no print books." Voc Rehab > >>>>can provide this for you, and moving up the chain of command will achieve > >>>>the quickest results. Every regional office has specific complaint > >>>>procedures which you can request in writing from your councilor's > >>>> manager. > >>>> > >>>>Just my thoughts, > >>>>Briley > >>>>On Jul 22, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>Hi Jewel and all, > >>>>> > >>>>>This is an old story that I've heard way too many times from students. > >>>>>Your counselor's actions (or non-actions) are ridiculous and > >>>>>definitely need to be addressed with her supervisor(s). In the > >>>>>meantime, though, I think it's important to come up with a plan B that > >>>>>doesn't involve DSB at all, at least while you're waiting. A few > >>>>>ideas: > >>>>> > >>>>>1. With rehab, I'd focus on getting the computer and scanner. The > >>>>>refreshable Braille display and embosser are nice, but they're > >>>>>luxuries, not necessities, in my opinion. Asking for just a couple > >>>>>pieces of equipment rather than the whole gamut may be less > >>>>>complicated/bureaucratic. > >>>>>2. Does your school have an office for blind/disabled students? If so > >>>>>they very well might have equipment for loan, like computers, and they > >>>>>should have public-access scanners that you can walk in and use. If > >>>>>not, find out if there's anywhere else on campus (like the bookstore > >>>>>or library) where you can borrow or rent a computer for low or no > >>>>>cost. Perhaps family members or friends might have extra computers you > >>>>>can borrow? Once you have the computer, you should be able to download > >>>>>a free open-source screen reader to use with it. > >>>>>2. The NFB has a technology loan program and your NFB affiliate might > >>>>>have one too. Call the NFB Braille and Technology Center at > >>>>>410-659-9314 for details. Of course borrowing equipment for free is > >>>>>better than racking up interest, but it could be a last-resort, > >>>>>temporary option. > >>>>>3. If you can't get a portable computer, see if any of the public > >>>>>computers on your campus are accessible (all Mac's are out of the > >>>>>box). What you may need to do in a pinch is use a voice recorder in > >>>>>class and then use the public computer for assignments. > >>>>>4. Remember that > >>>>>www.rfbd.org > >>>>>provides books in audio format, and > >>>>>www.bookshare.org > >>>>>provides books for free in a text format that you can read on a > >>>>>regular computer (either the public computer or a rented one). > >>>>>5. Don't forget that readers are low-tech and relatively cheap > >>>>>(usually $7 per hour) and if your school has a community service club, > >>>>>you might be able to find volunteer readers. If rehab is > >>>>>uncooperative, your school (either the disability resource center or > >>>>>the department of your major) may be willing to help pay for readers, > >>>>>at least initially while you wait for equipment. > >>>>> > >>>>>In short, while you should definitely nag rehab to get you what you > >>>>>need (especially the laptop, scanner, and perhaps an audio book player > >>>>>like a Stream), rehab isn't, and shouldn't be, your only option. I > >>>>>think the only piece of equipment that's really mission-critical is a > >>>>>computer, and that can be either a personal computer or a public > >>>>>computer. Even your local public library might have a public computer > >>>>>you can use. I'd recommend staying in your classes if at all possible. > >>>>>Textbooks can be read with readers (readers can even be students in > >>>>>your classes, who have to read the books anyway), or with a public > >>>>>scanner (which might be available in the library or DRC). > >>>>> > >>>>>Best of luck and please keep us posted on your progress. > >>>>>Arielle > >>>>> > >>>>>On 7/22/10, William ODonnell wrote: > >>>>>>I would have to say that I agree with Joe on many of the points he has > >>>>>>made. > >>>>>>Also, keep some things "off record" with your councilor. I am > >>>>>> referring > >>>>>>to > >>>>>>the suggestions of you purchasing a net book that you provided in your > >>>>>>email. Remember the following approach: don't ask, don't tell or do > >>>>>> not > >>>>>>give any additional information than requested. > >>>>>>In addition, always copy a supervisor when you're documenting so the > >>>>>>context > >>>>>>of what you discuss is not altered or misrepresented at a later date. > >>>>>>Finally, investigate whether or not your local independent living > >>>>>> center > >>>>>>has > >>>>>>advocates that will speak on your behalf. > >>>>>>Note: some colleges and universities have laptops or net books that > >>>>>>disabled > >>>>>>students can reserve from there DSS office for use during class. In > >>>>>>regard > >>>>>>to readers or reading services, some organizations for the blind as > >>>>>> well > >>>>>>as > >>>>>>community centers have people from the community who volunteer who may > >>>>>>assist you. In addition, check with your college or university to see > >>>>>>if > >>>>>>you can post an add requesting for volunteers to assist you when time > >>>>>> is > >>>>>>of > >>>>>>the essence and your accommodations/equipment is not available. I say > >>>>>>the > >>>>>>following since it is a reality. Note: I do not want to discourage or > >>>>>>scare > >>>>>>you; however, throughout your college career, you will learn and see > >>>>>>that > >>>>>>you will need to liquidate all avenues since many times you will > >>>>>>experience > >>>>>>faulty services and accommodations while meeting important deadlines as > >>>>>>any > >>>>>>other student. You will need to be strong and always be your own > >>>>>>advocate > >>>>>>while never losing focus with your agenda. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>--- On Thu, 7/22/10, Joe Orozco wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>From: Joe Orozco > >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment > >>>>>>>To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 11:30 AM > >>>>>>>Hi Jewel, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>I see online that North Carolina just started a new fiscal > >>>>>>>year. This is > >>>>>>>bad, because this is when agencies can afford to lapse a > >>>>>>>little. If I were > >>>>>>>you, and taking your budget into consideration, this is my > >>>>>>>personal > >>>>>>>recommendation: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>1. Take Justin's suggestion and go straight to the director > >>>>>>>of that field > >>>>>>>office. It's not your job to ease this counselor into > >>>>>>>her new position. > >>>>>>>Your first priority is getting what you need to be ready > >>>>>>>for school. Put > >>>>>>>your communications to the director in writing. Say > >>>>>>>in your first e-mail > >>>>>>>that you will follow up via telephone in a few days to talk > >>>>>>>about what can > >>>>>>>be done. Later, after your phone call, send another > >>>>>>>e-mail summarizing what > >>>>>>>was talked about. Always keep a written record of > >>>>>>>your communications. In > >>>>>>>the letter you should give a brief summary of the events to > >>>>>>>this point, but > >>>>>>>I would spend more time listing the equipment you need and > >>>>>>>a good > >>>>>>>justification for why you need them. This may > >>>>>>>somewhat minimize the need > >>>>>>>for an assessment if you can give concrete reasons for why > >>>>>>>the products are > >>>>>>>required. Also, rank your products in order of most > >>>>>>>important. The Victor > >>>>>>>Stream, for example, may be a necessity, but it could > >>>>>>>probably go near or at > >>>>>>>the bottom since your top priority is the ability to take > >>>>>>>notes in class. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>2. Locate the individual or office that handles technology > >>>>>>>assessments. The > >>>>>>>more people you have inquiring into your case, the better, > >>>>>>>and even if they > >>>>>>>say they need to hear from your counselor, when your > >>>>>>>counselor calls the > >>>>>>>people will be familiar with you and have more of an > >>>>>>>incentive to act. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>3. Talk to your NFB affiliate president. He or she > >>>>>>>may know of someone > >>>>>>>working in the agency who can look into your case. > >>>>>>>The affiliate should > >>>>>>>also prove to be a good advocate on your behalf. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>4. Locate your nearest Lions Club. They may be able > >>>>>>>to step in and help > >>>>>>>with the cost of a netbook. If you can get that, you > >>>>>>>can use one of the > >>>>>>>free or reasonably priced screen readers while you wait for > >>>>>>>your other > >>>>>>>technology to arrive. The main thing is to get you > >>>>>>>something for the first > >>>>>>>day of class, and I think your Lions Club or Rotary Club > >>>>>>>should be able to > >>>>>>>generate $300 on your behalf. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>This is, at least, a start. I'm in a bit of a rush > >>>>>>>but can offer more later > >>>>>>>if you're still in a bind. Hopefully others will > >>>>>>>chime in as well. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Best of luck, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Joe > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up > >>>>>>>their sleeves, > >>>>>>>some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at > >>>>>>>all."--Sam Ewing > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] > >>>>>>>On Behalf Of Jewel S. > >>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:06 AM > >>>>>>>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] DSB delaying needed equipment > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Dear all, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>I am having serious issues with DSB here in North Carolina. > >>>>>>>I begin > >>>>>>>classes August 16, and have been working toward getting > >>>>>>>some needed > >>>>>>>equipment. This equipment is a netbook with JAWS, a > >>>>>>>refreshable > >>>>>>>Braille display, a VictorStream Reader, a Juliette > >>>>>>>embosser, a > >>>>>>>scanner, OpenBook scanning program and Dusxbury > >>>>>>>(spelling?), and JAWS > >>>>>>>for my home computer. I have been working very hard on my > >>>>>>>side to get > >>>>>>>this done in time for classes. However, I was reassigned > >>>>>>>recently to a > >>>>>>>new VR counselor (by new, I mean green...this is her first > >>>>>>>position). > >>>>>>>She did not even know who the assessment person *was*, let > >>>>>>>alone how > >>>>>>>to do an assessment referral, so after I saw one person for > >>>>>>>review of > >>>>>>>my home computer and basic needs, she did nothing with > >>>>>>>that > >>>>>>>information, despite him having stated that I needed an > >>>>>>>assessment > >>>>>>>with a particular computer teacher. It was not until I > >>>>>>>asked him what > >>>>>>>the next step was again that he said that my counselor > >>>>>>>should have set > >>>>>>>up the assessment (when I had talked to him the first time, > >>>>>>>he had > >>>>>>>said that my VR counselor would see the referral sent and I > >>>>>>>needed to > >>>>>>>just wait for the referral to go through). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Now, because of my counselor's delay in getting the > >>>>>>>referral done, the > >>>>>>>paperwork has not even been submitted for my equipment. At > >>>>>>>first, they > >>>>>>>told me it would take two to three weeks to get the > >>>>>>>equipment. Then > >>>>>>>they said one month. Now they are saying that it could take > >>>>>>>up to two > >>>>>>>months! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Classes start August 16, and I do not have any of the > >>>>>>>equipment I > >>>>>>>need. The only method of note-taking I have (other than > >>>>>>>getting a > >>>>>>>notetaker to take notes for me, which I'd rather not) is my > >>>>>>>slate and > >>>>>>>stylus. With my physical problems, I can only use a slate > >>>>>>>for a few > >>>>>>>lines at a time before my wrist and arm begin to hurt very > >>>>>>>badly, so I > >>>>>>>don't see that as a possibility at all. I do not even have > >>>>>>>a voice > >>>>>>>recorder, though I am considering whether I have the funds > >>>>>>>to purchase > >>>>>>>one myself (I am on a very tight budget these days). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>I have suggested the solution of renting a laptop until my > >>>>>>>equipment > >>>>>>>comes in. However, my counselor seems to have taken that to > >>>>>>>mean that > >>>>>>>I am willing to buy a used laptop on my own. She has > >>>>>>>suggested places > >>>>>>>to purchase used laptops and said she will look into it > >>>>>>>also. When I > >>>>>>>asked her whether this would take the place of the laptop > >>>>>>>promised me > >>>>>>>by DSB, she didn't answer directly but told me that the > >>>>>>>laptop I would > >>>>>>>purchase would last me throughout my curriculum. But if > >>>>>>>it's used, how > >>>>>>>can she be so sure? And how does she expect me to pay for > >>>>>>>such a > >>>>>>>laptop? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Is this appropriate action on the behlaf of my counselor? > >>>>>>>SWhat should > >>>>>>>I expect to happen? If she is not doing things properly, > >>>>>>>who should I > >>>>>>>bring this up with? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>As I said, classes start in a few weeks. I do not have a > >>>>>>>way to record > >>>>>>>the classes, type notes, read my books in class, or > >>>>>>>complete > >>>>>>>worksheets in class. I will basically be stuck relying on > >>>>>>>other > >>>>>>>students to take notes for me, read exercises to me, and > >>>>>>>will not be > >>>>>>>able to participate when the class reads the books. I might > >>>>>>>as well > >>>>>>>not even attend class, for all I will be able to do! From > >>>>>>>what DSB is > >>>>>>>telling me, it will be halfway through the semester before > >>>>>>>I get any > >>>>>>>of my needed equipment. Is the renting of a laptop a > >>>>>>>reasonable > >>>>>>>accommodation while I wait, or should I drop these classes > >>>>>>>and wait > >>>>>>>until next semester? I will not be able to participate > >>>>>>>appropriately > >>>>>>>in class without even a laptop, and my grades will be > >>>>>>>drastically > >>>>>>>effected by this. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Any advice, please? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Yours, > >>>>>>>Jewel Shuping > >>>>>>>Wake Tech Community College > >>>>>>>Raleigh, NC > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>nabs-l mailing list > >>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > >>>>>>>account > >>>>>>>info for nabs-l: > >>>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco > >>>>>>>%40gmail.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>nabs-l mailing list > >>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > >>>>>>>account info for nabs-l: > >>>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/willi > am.odonnell1%40yahoo.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list > >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>>>nabs-l: > >>>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.p > resident%40gmail.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>-- > >>>>>Arielle Silverman > >>>>>President, National Association of Blind Students > >>>>>Phone: 602-502-2255 > >>>>>Email: > >>>>>nabs.president at gmail.com > >>>>>Website: > >>>>>www.nabslink.org > >>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>nabs-l mailing list > >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>>nabs-l: > >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brileyp > %40gmail.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>nabs-l mailing list > >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>nabs-l: > >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekitt > ykat2%40gmail.com > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>nabs-l mailing list > >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>nabs-l: > >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacuc > co%40verizon.net > >>> > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>nabs-l mailing list > >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>nabs-l: > >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.pres > ident%40gmail.com > >> > >> > >>-- > >>Arielle Silverman > >>President, National Association of Blind Students > >>Phone: 602-502-2255 > >>Email: > >>nabs.president at gmail.com > >>Website: > >>www.nabslink.org > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjac > ksandefur%40gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com > >> > >> > >>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > >>signature database 5315 (20100726) __________ > >> > >>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >> > >>http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > > > > David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com > > Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > > > > David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From dandrews at visi.com Wed Jul 28 00:16:47 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 19:16:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility issues with Blackboard using JAWS or WindowEyes. In-Reply-To: <93C1C7E20B6A40E397B391CECF266AC6@osb.local> References: <93C1C7E20B6A40E397B391CECF266AC6@osb.local> Message-ID: There have been problems with Blackboard and other distance learning software packages in the past. At the recent NFB national convention it was announced that the latest version of Blackboard, 9.1, is accessible to screen reader users. Only this version though -- earlier versions may be partially accessible, but not completely. Dave At 08:54 AM 7/27/2010, you wrote: >Below is an email I received concerning access to Distance Learning >applications such as Blackboard, when using different >applications. JAWS and WindowEyes are among the list. I don't have >access to an Blackboard account, but I thought of all of you. Many >of you are JAWS or WindowEyes users and you use Blackboard all the >time. I was hoping you might have time to read the short email >below and give us your input. I would then, forward your input to >the person who sent the email. I've included the person's phone >number and email address if you would like to discuss these issues >directly. Thank you! > >Email: > >I have been asked to query you folks about any known issues with >software/hardware accessibility in correlation to distance Learning >applications such as Blackboard. > > >We are trying to put together a list of issues with applications >such as JAWS, Dragon Naturally Speaking, WindowEyes, Closed >Captioning, etc. might have with distance learning applications such >as Blackboard. Can you all provide some considerations that you >feel should be taken in to account or are possible problems. I am >looking for technical issues in as much detail as you can provide. > > >I know this is short notice but our Director has made this a high >priority and I will need your responses as soon as you can get them >to me. Your input is valued. > > >Thanks > >Jonathan Woodward > >Information Services Administrator > >Oklahoma Department of Rehabilitation Services > >405-951-3428 Desk > >405-426-2888 Cell > >jwoodward at okdrs.gov David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From kolby12091988 at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 01:42:40 2010 From: kolby12091988 at gmail.com (Kolby Garrison) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:42:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible digital recorders In-Reply-To: References: <009e01cb2abf$8cda7bc0$a68f7340$@com> Message-ID: <007401cb2df6$2b87b5b0$82972110$@com> Hello Ashley, Yes the dm520 menus are accessible because the unit has built in voice guidance. I purchased my unit from amazon for $150.00. The recorder's range is very good using the internal microphones, and if you have external microphones it is even better. I purchased a set of omnidirectional stereo microphones from giant squid audio labs for around $50.00. Kolby From dandrews at visi.com Wed Jul 28 02:39:36 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:39:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] [musictlk] Fwd: URGENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE PASS TO ALL YOUR CO... In-Reply-To: <674CD401-4547-4DFE-A77B-0F5CB05586C3@mac.com> References: <674CD401-4547-4DFE-A77B-0F5CB05586C3@mac.com> Message-ID: This message is not true. I looked it up on snopes.com and it is your typical e-mail hoax so please ignore. 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This new virus has been > discovered recently it has been classified by Microsoft as the > virus most destructive ever. > > This virus was discovered yesterday > afternoon by McAfee. There is no repair yet for this kind of > virus. This virus simply destroys the Zero Sector of the hard > disk, where vital information function is stored. > > > > David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From cnaylor073 at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 04:37:10 2010 From: cnaylor073 at gmail.com (Christina Mitchell) Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 21:37:10 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] I did it! In-Reply-To: References: <0a5901cb2dc7$5881e240$0985a6c0$@net> Message-ID: Rania, Way to go! Congrats to you, and I wish you luck in finding a job. On 7/27/10, Courtney Stover wrote: > Rania, > > Congratulations! I've followed your trials and tribulations with the > commission for the blind through this list; you've had to overcome > some pretty large hurtles, and you managed it. Best of luck on the > job front. > Courtney > > On 7/27/10, Jess sA Mobile wrote: >> Congratulations Rania, >> Good Luck . >> Jessica >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Rania Ismail >> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:48 AM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] I did it! >> >> Hi listers! >> I am proud to say that I am now a certified massage therapist! >> I graduated yesterday and am now looking for a job and working on my >> certification as a massage therapist from the state!! >> Rania, >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jess28%40samobile.ne >> t >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnaylor073%40gmail.com > -- Christina, 26 with bilateral facial cleft and total blindness. www.worldcf.org/forums From jackson.dezman at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 05:43:29 2010 From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 00:43:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] I did it! References: Message-ID: <0EA7790507E941A588D26A5E8AD676A7@Dezman> Rania, congrads. I know this has meant so much to you for so long. I wish you the best and a long and happy career. Dezman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rania Ismail" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 11:47 AM Subject: [nabs-l] I did it! > Hi listers! > I am proud to say that I am now a certified massage therapist! > I graduated yesterday and am now looking for a job and working on my > certification as a massage therapist from the state!! > Rania, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com > From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 07:03:15 2010 From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 02:03:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Slate Committee Conference Call this Sunday Message-ID: <00d801cb2e22$f3b48190$db1d84b0$@com> Good evening, I am writing to let anybody who is interested know that the Student Slate Committee will be having a conference call this Sunday, August 1st, at 8:00 eastern time. Anybody who is interested in either writing an article for the Slate or helping us to identify potential authors with interesting stories to tell is most welcome to attend. The dial in information is as follows: Number: (712) 775-7100 Participant Code: 257963 As always, thank you for your help, and we look forward to talking with you on Sunday. Take care, Sean From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 14:41:58 2010 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:41:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] navigating parking lots/open spaces and other travel questions Message-ID: Hi All! I hve a few more travel questions I wanted to ask. First, what is the best way to navigate parking lots and those driveways in the parking lots you sometimes have to cross? Cars can come in and out of them and there is no landmarks or anything...it's just one big open space. The reason I am asking is because I live in a big apartment complex. To take the trash out, you have to go all the way across the parking lot. For the most part, the parking lot has a curb along it which I can follow with my cane, but there are two places where the curb ends and you have to cross this driveway/street like thing (I don't know what it's exactly called.) Anyway, there are no landmarks and no curb...you have to go straight across it and pick up the curb on the other side. I've been told that cars can come in and out of the driveway things, but I imagine it's not too busy. However, it terrifies me that a car is going to come while I am crossing and hit me. Do I just make sure to listen before crossing and try to cross as fast as I can? Also, veering is a huge problem for me. I know most blind people can not walk in an exact straight line but what is the best way for me to cross this driveway and stay as straight as possible so I can catch the curb on the other side and not get myself lost? I've read that keeping the cane centered like near the middle of the stomach, where the belly button is helps. I've also read that walking fast and trying to keep your feet straight helps. I was taught at convention how to use the two-point touch technique with my palm up, moving only my wrist. Is there anything else I can do? It scares me that I'm going to get really lost when taking the trash out and end up getting in hthe middle of the drive way thingy. Also, because I didn't know the hotel at convention, like everyone else I got very used to getting lost and wandering around and asking assistance to get where I wanted. It made me get over my fear of getting lost in huge buildings. However, I am still very scared about getting lost outdoors. What is the best way to deal with this? Is it the same concept as getting lost inside a building...jjust walk around, and ask assistance when you hear someone coming? I know this will sound very irrational, but I guess in a building you only have so much space, so many floors. Outside, you have the whole world...it never ends...there is no limit! I hope that doesn't sound too dumb. How did you get over fears of getting lost outdoors? I really want to try taking my own trash out independently but I am terrified of veering when crossing that driveway thing, getting hit while crossing, or getting really lost and not being able to find the building my apartment is in. There are like 10 different buildings, and they are building more! There is a pool on one side of the parking lot, the trash thing, and a clubhouse...and you have to cross the parking lot to get to all of them...so it's a huge open area with the various apartment buildings spread out all over. I could have an orientation and mobility instructor come and help me, but there aren't any good ones here and I hate route travel...I know I can do this myself if I can get over these silly fears! And, finally...when you are using your cane and you are in a hallway looking for a certain door or just going along a hallway where there is a wall on either side with doors along it...do you still use the two-point touch technique or do you switch to more of a constant contact technique where you slide the cane from side to side? Thanks so much and hope these questions don't sound too dumb. Kerri From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 15:11:22 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:11:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] navigating parking lots/open spaces and other travel questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a similar circumstance to deal with at my apartments. To get out of the parking lot, I have to cross a large parking lot, or go all the way around on the sidewalk and walk on the side of the driveway when the sidewalk ends. Can you see well enough to see the white lines in the parking lot? These can be a big help. On bright sunny days, I can just make out the lines, and as long as I am at the spot where the line ends, I know I'm on target to not run into any cars or be in the middle of nowhere. If you can't see the lines, what other landmarks can you find? Is there a center "aisle" in the parking lot, like is often seen in the parking lots of stores (a curb and grass)? If so, walking on that would be of great help, I'm sure. Other than that, my best suggestion is to stick to the curb until you feel more comfortable crossing the open parking lot. I have only just started crossing the open lot myself as I start to get comfortable doing so. As for finding your apartment, are there any landmarks nearby? For example, my apartment is the only one with just two steps down to the building. The other buildings all have several up or several down (this was on purpose...because of my trouble with balance, stairs can be dangerous for me). Also, about a hundred feet to the left of my building is a turn in the sidewalk ninety degrees. To the right is a zig-zag left then right. If I end up at either sidewalks and walk to the direction I think my apartment is in, I look for these features in the sidewalk to show me where I am. Additionally, smells can be of great help, good or bad. I know when I'm at the dumpster because goodness, does it stink! I know where the spot to cross from the middle of the round-about is because there is a lovely crepe myrtle in blossom right where I need to cross. This won't always be there (the smell, not the tree), but it helps for now, and I have other ways to know. Sounds are also good to use. There are several young Chicano children who live in the apartment building next to mine. They play outside their building each afternoon, so when I come home, I aim for just right of them, and often turn up directly in front of my steps! At the round-about outside my apartment complex, I use the crepe myrtle's smell, but I also listen for cars coming from Marcom Street. If there is one coming, I hear where they are and aim about 10 feet to the left of that, often making it directly at the sidewalk or grass to the right or left of the sidewalk where I can easily find the sidewalk. Use all your senses to figure out where you are, where you are going, and what you are doing. Find landmarks (or at your apartment, make one), and go straight when you can. When it comes to crossing a driveway, it is better to go too far from the open area or road than too far away. So, if you are on the right side of the road, veer right if in doubt, and if you're on the left side of the street, veer left if in doubt. Because of my balance problems, I veer often. My O&M instructor saw this and gave me the tip that when in doubt, move away from the road rather than toward it. If you're in the driveway, you're safer than if you are in the open parking lot or road. This won't help much with a driveway connecting to a parking lot, but when you're crossing a driveway connected to a street, listen to the cars on the street. Keep them at an even distance and you'll be going straight. If you veer too far away from the road, you'll hear that the cars are further away, and if you veer too close, the cars will sound way too close. Listen to the cars as you travel, and you'll be able to correct your path across a driveway or intersecting street. Also, if there is a car waiting on the intersecting street or in the driveway, use their placement as a target. If they are too far forward, aim to go behind them by a minimum of 10 feet to avoid getting hit if they back up suddenly. If you feel they are not too close to the road, go in front of them about 5 feet so they can see you. I noted above that you can make your own landmarks for some places, like your apartment. A very simple way to do a last-minute check before putting the key in is to put a rubber band around the doorknob. I did this when all the doors looked the same tactilely and I kept trying to put my key in someone else's door. If your leasing office allows it, you can put a large potted plant or other item outside your apartment to use as a landmark. Most companies will allow plants and outside furniture. That's all I have for now. I hope it helped! On 7/28/10, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hi All! > > I hve a few more travel questions I wanted to ask. > > First, what is the best way to navigate parking lots and those > driveways in the parking lots you sometimes have to cross? Cars can > come in and out of them and there is no landmarks or anything...it's > just one big open space. > > The reason I am asking is because I live in a big apartment complex. > To take the trash out, you have to go all the way across the parking > lot. For the most part, the parking lot has a curb along it which I > can follow with my cane, but there are two places where the curb ends > and you have to cross this driveway/street like thing (I don't know > what it's exactly called.) Anyway, there are no landmarks and no > curb...you have to go straight across it and pick up the curb on the > other side. > > I've been told that cars can come in and out of the driveway things, > but I imagine it's not too busy. However, it terrifies me that a car > is going to come while I am crossing and hit me. Do I just make sure > to listen before crossing and try to cross as fast as I can? > > Also, veering is a huge problem for me. I know most blind people can > not walk in an exact straight line but what is the best way for me to > cross this driveway and stay as straight as possible so I can catch > the curb on the other side and not get myself lost? I've read that > keeping the cane centered like near the middle of the stomach, where > the belly button is helps. I've also read that walking fast and trying > to keep your feet straight helps. I was taught at convention how to > use the two-point touch technique with my palm up, moving only my > wrist. Is there anything else I can do? It scares me that I'm going to > get really lost when taking the trash out and end up getting in hthe > middle of the drive way thingy. > > Also, because I didn't know the hotel at convention, like everyone > else I got very used to getting lost and wandering around and asking > assistance to get where I wanted. It made me get over my fear of > getting lost in huge buildings. However, I am still very scared about > getting lost outdoors. What is the best way to deal with this? Is it > the same concept as getting lost inside a building...jjust walk > around, and ask assistance when you hear someone coming? I know this > will sound very irrational, but I guess in a building you only have so > much space, so many floors. Outside, you have the whole world...it > never ends...there is no limit! I hope that doesn't sound too dumb. > How did you get over fears of getting lost outdoors? > > I really want to try taking my own trash out independently but I am > terrified of veering when crossing that driveway thing, getting hit > while crossing, or getting really lost and not being able to find the > building my apartment is in. There are like 10 different buildings, > and they are building more! There is a pool on one side of the parking > lot, the trash thing, and a clubhouse...and you have to cross the > parking lot to get to all of them...so it's a huge open area with the > various apartment buildings spread out all over. > > I could have an orientation and mobility instructor come and help me, > but there aren't any good ones here and I hate route travel...I know I > can do this myself if I can get over these silly fears! > > And, finally...when you are using your cane and you are in a hallway > looking for a certain door or just going along a hallway where there > is a wall on either side with doors along it...do you still use the > two-point touch technique or do you switch to more of a constant > contact technique where you slide the cane from side to side? > > Thanks so much and hope these questions don't sound too dumb. > > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > -- ~Jewel Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind! Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com From kaybaycar at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 16:42:25 2010 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:42:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] navigating parking lots/open spaces and other travel questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Kerri. I used to be very scared too of walking in open spaces like parking lots. It's hard to figure out where things are because everything is so spread out. It might help you and make you feel a little more at ease to have a sighted friend or family member walk behind you as you go across the parking lot to the dumpster for the first time. They wouldn't have to say anything unless you got lost. It might make you feel better to know if you are doing it all right. It's scarier to get lost outside because it's harder to find people to ask for help, and it's so wide open. I know exactly how you feel. Good luck. On 7/28/10, Jewel S. wrote: > I have a similar circumstance to deal with at my apartments. To get > out of the parking lot, I have to cross a large parking lot, or go all > the way around on the sidewalk and walk on the side of the driveway > when the sidewalk ends. > > Can you see well enough to see the white lines in the parking lot? > These can be a big help. On bright sunny days, I can just make out the > lines, and as long as I am at the spot where the line ends, I know I'm > on target to not run into any cars or be in the middle of nowhere. > > If you can't see the lines, what other landmarks can you find? Is > there a center "aisle" in the parking lot, like is often seen in the > parking lots of stores (a curb and grass)? If so, walking on that > would be of great help, I'm sure. > > Other than that, my best suggestion is to stick to the curb until you > feel more comfortable crossing the open parking lot. I have only just > started crossing the open lot myself as I start to get comfortable > doing so. > > As for finding your apartment, are there any landmarks nearby? For > example, my apartment is the only one with just two steps down to the > building. The other buildings all have several up or several down > (this was on purpose...because of my trouble with balance, stairs can > be dangerous for me). Also, about a hundred feet to the left of my > building is a turn in the sidewalk ninety degrees. To the right is a > zig-zag left then right. If I end up at either sidewalks and walk to > the direction I think my apartment is in, I look for these features in > the sidewalk to show me where I am. > > Additionally, smells can be of great help, good or bad. I know when > I'm at the dumpster because goodness, does it stink! I know where the > spot to cross from the middle of the round-about is because there is a > lovely crepe myrtle in blossom right where I need to cross. This won't > always be there (the smell, not the tree), but it helps for now, and I > have other ways to know. > > Sounds are also good to use. There are several young Chicano children > who live in the apartment building next to mine. They play outside > their building each afternoon, so when I come home, I aim for just > right of them, and often turn up directly in front of my steps! At the > round-about outside my apartment complex, I use the crepe myrtle's > smell, but I also listen for cars coming from Marcom Street. If there > is one coming, I hear where they are and aim about 10 feet to the left > of that, often making it directly at the sidewalk or grass to the > right or left of the sidewalk where I can easily find the sidewalk. > > Use all your senses to figure out where you are, where you are going, > and what you are doing. Find landmarks (or at your apartment, make > one), and go straight when you can. > > When it comes to crossing a driveway, it is better to go too far from > the open area or road than too far away. So, if you are on the right > side of the road, veer right if in doubt, and if you're on the left > side of the street, veer left if in doubt. Because of my balance > problems, I veer often. My O&M instructor saw this and gave me the tip > that when in doubt, move away from the road rather than toward it. If > you're in the driveway, you're safer than if you are in the open > parking lot or road. > > This won't help much with a driveway connecting to a parking lot, but > when you're crossing a driveway connected to a street, listen to the > cars on the street. Keep them at an even distance and you'll be going > straight. If you veer too far away from the road, you'll hear that the > cars are further away, and if you veer too close, the cars will sound > way too close. Listen to the cars as you travel, and you'll be able to > correct your path across a driveway or intersecting street. Also, if > there is a car waiting on the intersecting street or in the driveway, > use their placement as a target. If they are too far forward, aim to > go behind them by a minimum of 10 feet to avoid getting hit if they > back up suddenly. If you feel they are not too close to the road, go > in front of them about 5 feet so they can see you. > > I noted above that you can make your own landmarks for some places, > like your apartment. A very simple way to do a last-minute check > before putting the key in is to put a rubber band around the doorknob. > I did this when all the doors looked the same tactilely and I kept > trying to put my key in someone else's door. If your leasing office > allows it, you can put a large potted plant or other item outside your > apartment to use as a landmark. Most companies will allow plants and > outside furniture. > > That's all I have for now. I hope it helped! > > > > On 7/28/10, Kerri Kosten wrote: >> Hi All! >> >> I hve a few more travel questions I wanted to ask. >> >> First, what is the best way to navigate parking lots and those >> driveways in the parking lots you sometimes have to cross? Cars can >> come in and out of them and there is no landmarks or anything...it's >> just one big open space. >> >> The reason I am asking is because I live in a big apartment complex. >> To take the trash out, you have to go all the way across the parking >> lot. For the most part, the parking lot has a curb along it which I >> can follow with my cane, but there are two places where the curb ends >> and you have to cross this driveway/street like thing (I don't know >> what it's exactly called.) Anyway, there are no landmarks and no >> curb...you have to go straight across it and pick up the curb on the >> other side. >> >> I've been told that cars can come in and out of the driveway things, >> but I imagine it's not too busy. However, it terrifies me that a car >> is going to come while I am crossing and hit me. Do I just make sure >> to listen before crossing and try to cross as fast as I can? >> >> Also, veering is a huge problem for me. I know most blind people can >> not walk in an exact straight line but what is the best way for me to >> cross this driveway and stay as straight as possible so I can catch >> the curb on the other side and not get myself lost? I've read that >> keeping the cane centered like near the middle of the stomach, where >> the belly button is helps. I've also read that walking fast and trying >> to keep your feet straight helps. I was taught at convention how to >> use the two-point touch technique with my palm up, moving only my >> wrist. Is there anything else I can do? It scares me that I'm going to >> get really lost when taking the trash out and end up getting in hthe >> middle of the drive way thingy. >> >> Also, because I didn't know the hotel at convention, like everyone >> else I got very used to getting lost and wandering around and asking >> assistance to get where I wanted. It made me get over my fear of >> getting lost in huge buildings. However, I am still very scared about >> getting lost outdoors. What is the best way to deal with this? Is it >> the same concept as getting lost inside a building...jjust walk >> around, and ask assistance when you hear someone coming? I know this >> will sound very irrational, but I guess in a building you only have so >> much space, so many floors. Outside, you have the whole world...it >> never ends...there is no limit! I hope that doesn't sound too dumb. >> How did you get over fears of getting lost outdoors? >> >> I really want to try taking my own trash out independently but I am >> terrified of veering when crossing that driveway thing, getting hit >> while crossing, or getting really lost and not being able to find the >> building my apartment is in. There are like 10 different buildings, >> and they are building more! There is a pool on one side of the parking >> lot, the trash thing, and a clubhouse...and you have to cross the >> parking lot to get to all of them...so it's a huge open area with the >> various apartment buildings spread out all over. >> >> I could have an orientation and mobility instructor come and help me, >> but there aren't any good ones here and I hate route travel...I know I >> can do this myself if I can get over these silly fears! >> >> And, finally...when you are using your cane and you are in a hallway >> looking for a certain door or just going along a hallway where there >> is a wall on either side with doors along it...do you still use the >> two-point touch technique or do you switch to more of a constant >> contact technique where you slide the cane from side to side? >> >> Thanks so much and hope these questions don't sound too dumb. >> >> Kerri >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > ~Jewel > Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind! > Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie McG Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding Eyes for the Blind "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 From tamwill009 at comcast.net Wed Jul 28 17:09:24 2010 From: tamwill009 at comcast.net (Tamika Williams) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:09:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] navigating parking lots/open spaces and other travelquestions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34EE7EE553A849CA9333C04F6C452918@TamikaPC> Hello Kerri, Well first i want to say that nothing that concerns you is too dumb to ask. If you do not know then asking is a part of researching your answer. I think that you are doing the right thing by asking the members of this list because we all have had starting points or rough times which means surely someone on this list, including myself, has had similar situations. To get to the point of your questions though, I think you have a really good amount of information about the parking lot and its' surrounding to navigate it. Jewel hit some really good pointers, so take that and what others will say to you and choose what best fits your situation and just go for it. If you don't do it that fear will always be there, but you will be surprised at what you could do if you just got over that fear. Just a few words of encouragement. Go for it! Best wishes, Tamika Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerri Kosten" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: [nabs-l] navigating parking lots/open spaces and other travelquestions > Hi All! > > I hve a few more travel questions I wanted to ask. > > First, what is the best way to navigate parking lots and those > driveways in the parking lots you sometimes have to cross? Cars can > come in and out of them and there is no landmarks or anything...it's > just one big open space. > > The reason I am asking is because I live in a big apartment complex. > To take the trash out, you have to go all the way across the parking > lot. For the most part, the parking lot has a curb along it which I > can follow with my cane, but there are two places where the curb ends > and you have to cross this driveway/street like thing (I don't know > what it's exactly called.) Anyway, there are no landmarks and no > curb...you have to go straight across it and pick up the curb on the > other side. > > I've been told that cars can come in and out of the driveway things, > but I imagine it's not too busy. However, it terrifies me that a car > is going to come while I am crossing and hit me. Do I just make sure > to listen before crossing and try to cross as fast as I can? > > Also, veering is a huge problem for me. I know most blind people can > not walk in an exact straight line but what is the best way for me to > cross this driveway and stay as straight as possible so I can catch > the curb on the other side and not get myself lost? I've read that > keeping the cane centered like near the middle of the stomach, where > the belly button is helps. I've also read that walking fast and trying > to keep your feet straight helps. I was taught at convention how to > use the two-point touch technique with my palm up, moving only my > wrist. Is there anything else I can do? It scares me that I'm going to > get really lost when taking the trash out and end up getting in hthe > middle of the drive way thingy. > > Also, because I didn't know the hotel at convention, like everyone > else I got very used to getting lost and wandering around and asking > assistance to get where I wanted. It made me get over my fear of > getting lost in huge buildings. However, I am still very scared about > getting lost outdoors. What is the best way to deal with this? Is it > the same concept as getting lost inside a building...jjust walk > around, and ask assistance when you hear someone coming? I know this > will sound very irrational, but I guess in a building you only have so > much space, so many floors. Outside, you have the whole world...it > never ends...there is no limit! I hope that doesn't sound too dumb. > How did you get over fears of getting lost outdoors? > > I really want to try taking my own trash out independently but I am > terrified of veering when crossing that driveway thing, getting hit > while crossing, or getting really lost and not being able to find the > building my apartment is in. There are like 10 different buildings, > and they are building more! There is a pool on one side of the parking > lot, the trash thing, and a clubhouse...and you have to cross the > parking lot to get to all of them...so it's a huge open area with the > various apartment buildings spread out all over. > > I could have an orientation and mobility instructor come and help me, > but there aren't any good ones here and I hate route travel...I know I > can do this myself if I can get over these silly fears! > > And, finally...when you are using your cane and you are in a hallway > looking for a certain door or just going along a hallway where there > is a wall on either side with doors along it...do you still use the > two-point touch technique or do you switch to more of a constant > contact technique where you slide the cane from side to side? > > Thanks so much and hope these questions don't sound too dumb. > > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tamwill009%40comcast.net From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 17:21:43 2010 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:21:43 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] navigating parking lots/open spaces and other travel questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kerri, all very good questions. as for the crossing a driveway and making sure you contact the desired corner, i would first put my back to the sidewalk I am wishing to leave, or line up my heels to the curb I wish to leave, hold my cane centered as always, but instead of arking it, just hold it centered once I start my crossing, I find I keep a very straight line in those situations where I am most concerned with vereing. Of course you are going to have to listen for trafic, but in a parking lot such as in an apartment complex, chances are the amount of traffic you will get is not too bad at all. If you want to give it a dry run and see what issues you are having, you might do that. If you need land marks on your dry run; who's to say you can't bring some; a chair, an orange cone, something that you can contact with your cane to help you to break down the route. I know it can be frightening to give figuring out a route a go, but I think that if you take what your trying to figure out and break it down into steps, it will be easier for you and not as stressful. as for traveling in the public outdoors, you can always ask for directions from the general public. Stores, eateries, gatherings of people at a streetcorner or on the sidewalk are good people to ask because they are right there and have agood vantage point of what's around them and can give you good information alot of the time. I hope that helps, and keep the questions coming! Darian Smith On 7/28/10, Julie McGinnity wrote: > Hi Kerri. > > I used to be very scared too of walking in open spaces like parking > lots. It's hard to figure out where things are because everything is > so spread out. It might help you and make you feel a little more at > ease to have a sighted friend or family member walk behind you as you > go across the parking lot to the dumpster for the first time. They > wouldn't have to say anything unless you got lost. It might make you > feel better to know if you are doing it all right. It's scarier to > get lost outside because it's harder to find people to ask for help, > and it's so wide open. I know exactly how you feel. > > Good luck. > > On 7/28/10, Jewel S. wrote: >> I have a similar circumstance to deal with at my apartments. To get >> out of the parking lot, I have to cross a large parking lot, or go all >> the way around on the sidewalk and walk on the side of the driveway >> when the sidewalk ends. >> >> Can you see well enough to see the white lines in the parking lot? >> These can be a big help. On bright sunny days, I can just make out the >> lines, and as long as I am at the spot where the line ends, I know I'm >> on target to not run into any cars or be in the middle of nowhere. >> >> If you can't see the lines, what other landmarks can you find? Is >> there a center "aisle" in the parking lot, like is often seen in the >> parking lots of stores (a curb and grass)? If so, walking on that >> would be of great help, I'm sure. >> >> Other than that, my best suggestion is to stick to the curb until you >> feel more comfortable crossing the open parking lot. I have only just >> started crossing the open lot myself as I start to get comfortable >> doing so. >> >> As for finding your apartment, are there any landmarks nearby? For >> example, my apartment is the only one with just two steps down to the >> building. The other buildings all have several up or several down >> (this was on purpose...because of my trouble with balance, stairs can >> be dangerous for me). Also, about a hundred feet to the left of my >> building is a turn in the sidewalk ninety degrees. To the right is a >> zig-zag left then right. If I end up at either sidewalks and walk to >> the direction I think my apartment is in, I look for these features in >> the sidewalk to show me where I am. >> >> Additionally, smells can be of great help, good or bad. I know when >> I'm at the dumpster because goodness, does it stink! I know where the >> spot to cross from the middle of the round-about is because there is a >> lovely crepe myrtle in blossom right where I need to cross. This won't >> always be there (the smell, not the tree), but it helps for now, and I >> have other ways to know. >> >> Sounds are also good to use. There are several young Chicano children >> who live in the apartment building next to mine. They play outside >> their building each afternoon, so when I come home, I aim for just >> right of them, and often turn up directly in front of my steps! At the >> round-about outside my apartment complex, I use the crepe myrtle's >> smell, but I also listen for cars coming from Marcom Street. If there >> is one coming, I hear where they are and aim about 10 feet to the left >> of that, often making it directly at the sidewalk or grass to the >> right or left of the sidewalk where I can easily find the sidewalk. >> >> Use all your senses to figure out where you are, where you are going, >> and what you are doing. Find landmarks (or at your apartment, make >> one), and go straight when you can. >> >> When it comes to crossing a driveway, it is better to go too far from >> the open area or road than too far away. So, if you are on the right >> side of the road, veer right if in doubt, and if you're on the left >> side of the street, veer left if in doubt. Because of my balance >> problems, I veer often. My O&M instructor saw this and gave me the tip >> that when in doubt, move away from the road rather than toward it. If >> you're in the driveway, you're safer than if you are in the open >> parking lot or road. >> >> This won't help much with a driveway connecting to a parking lot, but >> when you're crossing a driveway connected to a street, listen to the >> cars on the street. Keep them at an even distance and you'll be going >> straight. If you veer too far away from the road, you'll hear that the >> cars are further away, and if you veer too close, the cars will sound >> way too close. Listen to the cars as you travel, and you'll be able to >> correct your path across a driveway or intersecting street. Also, if >> there is a car waiting on the intersecting street or in the driveway, >> use their placement as a target. If they are too far forward, aim to >> go behind them by a minimum of 10 feet to avoid getting hit if they >> back up suddenly. If you feel they are not too close to the road, go >> in front of them about 5 feet so they can see you. >> >> I noted above that you can make your own landmarks for some places, >> like your apartment. A very simple way to do a last-minute check >> before putting the key in is to put a rubber band around the doorknob. >> I did this when all the doors looked the same tactilely and I kept >> trying to put my key in someone else's door. If your leasing office >> allows it, you can put a large potted plant or other item outside your >> apartment to use as a landmark. Most companies will allow plants and >> outside furniture. >> >> That's all I have for now. I hope it helped! >> >> >> >> On 7/28/10, Kerri Kosten wrote: >>> Hi All! >>> >>> I hve a few more travel questions I wanted to ask. >>> >>> First, what is the best way to navigate parking lots and those >>> driveways in the parking lots you sometimes have to cross? Cars can >>> come in and out of them and there is no landmarks or anything...it's >>> just one big open space. >>> >>> The reason I am asking is because I live in a big apartment complex. >>> To take the trash out, you have to go all the way across the parking >>> lot. For the most part, the parking lot has a curb along it which I >>> can follow with my cane, but there are two places where the curb ends >>> and you have to cross this driveway/street like thing (I don't know >>> what it's exactly called.) Anyway, there are no landmarks and no >>> curb...you have to go straight across it and pick up the curb on the >>> other side. >>> >>> I've been told that cars can come in and out of the driveway things, >>> but I imagine it's not too busy. However, it terrifies me that a car >>> is going to come while I am crossing and hit me. Do I just make sure >>> to listen before crossing and try to cross as fast as I can? >>> >>> Also, veering is a huge problem for me. I know most blind people can >>> not walk in an exact straight line but what is the best way for me to >>> cross this driveway and stay as straight as possible so I can catch >>> the curb on the other side and not get myself lost? I've read that >>> keeping the cane centered like near the middle of the stomach, where >>> the belly button is helps. I've also read that walking fast and trying >>> to keep your feet straight helps. I was taught at convention how to >>> use the two-point touch technique with my palm up, moving only my >>> wrist. Is there anything else I can do? It scares me that I'm going to >>> get really lost when taking the trash out and end up getting in hthe >>> middle of the drive way thingy. >>> >>> Also, because I didn't know the hotel at convention, like everyone >>> else I got very used to getting lost and wandering around and asking >>> assistance to get where I wanted. It made me get over my fear of >>> getting lost in huge buildings. However, I am still very scared about >>> getting lost outdoors. What is the best way to deal with this? Is it >>> the same concept as getting lost inside a building...jjust walk >>> around, and ask assistance when you hear someone coming? I know this >>> will sound very irrational, but I guess in a building you only have so >>> much space, so many floors. Outside, you have the whole world...it >>> never ends...there is no limit! I hope that doesn't sound too dumb. >>> How did you get over fears of getting lost outdoors? >>> >>> I really want to try taking my own trash out independently but I am >>> terrified of veering when crossing that driveway thing, getting hit >>> while crossing, or getting really lost and not being able to find the >>> building my apartment is in. There are like 10 different buildings, >>> and they are building more! There is a pool on one side of the parking >>> lot, the trash thing, and a clubhouse...and you have to cross the >>> parking lot to get to all of them...so it's a huge open area with the >>> various apartment buildings spread out all over. >>> >>> I could have an orientation and mobility instructor come and help me, >>> but there aren't any good ones here and I hate route travel...I know I >>> can do this myself if I can get over these silly fears! >>> >>> And, finally...when you are using your cane and you are in a hallway >>> looking for a certain door or just going along a hallway where there >>> is a wall on either side with doors along it...do you still use the >>> two-point touch technique or do you switch to more of a constant >>> contact technique where you slide the cane from side to side? >>> >>> Thanks so much and hope these questions don't sound too dumb. >>> >>> Kerri >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> ~Jewel >> Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind! >> Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Julie McG > Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera > Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding > Eyes for the Blind > > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > -- Darian Smith Skype: The_Blind_Truth Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/goldengateace “We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin From kat.bottner at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 17:48:43 2010 From: kat.bottner at gmail.com (Kat Bottner) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:48:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] navigating parking lots/open spaces and other travel questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Kerri, I totally agree with Darrian here, it's a good idea to just do a try run of any route, or if you don't feel comfortable doing it alone, why not ask a family member or a friend to go with you at first,so if need be they can point out things,such as land marks you can use, that maybe you don't find yourself. I know for me, having mobility instruction helps a great deal, that's what I did when I moved from my mom's into the apartment complex I'm in now. Although I don't have to cross that big of a parking lot to get to the dumpster, I do cross the drive way thing that the cars use for getting into the parking lot who live in the complex. I'm not sure how your complex is layed out, or how far the parking lot is to your apartment building, but it helps me to find a path, a side walk, or walk way to trail for easy getting to the dumpster and back to my building. I hope this helps, and hope you can figure out a solution to this challenge that works for you! Also, like Darrian has already mentioned, keep the questions coming, no question should be not asked just because you may think it's dumb or you're not sure how someone might react, just ask, and you might be surprised of what response you'll get. Take Care, Kat On 7/28/10, Darian Smith wrote: > Kerri, > all very good questions. > as for the crossing a driveway and making sure you contact the > desired corner, i would first put my back to the sidewalk I am > wishing to leave, or line up my heels to the curb I wish to leave, > hold my cane centered as always, but instead of arking it, just hold > it centered once I start my crossing, I find I keep a very straight > line in those situations where I am most concerned with vereing. Of > course you are going to have to listen for trafic, but in a parking > lot such as in an apartment complex, chances are the amount of > traffic you will get is not too bad at all. If you want to give it a > dry run and see what issues you are having, you might do that. If you > need land marks on your dry run; who's to say you can't bring some; a > chair, an orange cone, something that you can contact with your cane > to help you to break down the route. > I know it can be frightening to give figuring out a route a go, but > I think that if you take what your trying to figure out and break it > down into steps, it will be easier for you and not as stressful. > as for traveling in the public outdoors, you can always ask for > directions from the general public. Stores, eateries, gatherings of > people at a streetcorner or on the sidewalk are good people to ask > because they are right there and have agood vantage point of what's > around them and can give you good information alot of the time. > I hope that helps, and keep the questions coming! > Darian Smith > > > On 7/28/10, Julie McGinnity wrote: >> Hi Kerri. >> >> I used to be very scared too of walking in open spaces like parking >> lots. It's hard to figure out where things are because everything is >> so spread out. It might help you and make you feel a little more at >> ease to have a sighted friend or family member walk behind you as you >> go across the parking lot to the dumpster for the first time. They >> wouldn't have to say anything unless you got lost. It might make you >> feel better to know if you are doing it all right. It's scarier to >> get lost outside because it's harder to find people to ask for help, >> and it's so wide open. I know exactly how you feel. >> >> Good luck. >> >> On 7/28/10, Jewel S. wrote: >>> I have a similar circumstance to deal with at my apartments. To get >>> out of the parking lot, I have to cross a large parking lot, or go all >>> the way around on the sidewalk and walk on the side of the driveway >>> when the sidewalk ends. >>> >>> Can you see well enough to see the white lines in the parking lot? >>> These can be a big help. On bright sunny days, I can just make out the >>> lines, and as long as I am at the spot where the line ends, I know I'm >>> on target to not run into any cars or be in the middle of nowhere. >>> >>> If you can't see the lines, what other landmarks can you find? Is >>> there a center "aisle" in the parking lot, like is often seen in the >>> parking lots of stores (a curb and grass)? If so, walking on that >>> would be of great help, I'm sure. >>> >>> Other than that, my best suggestion is to stick to the curb until you >>> feel more comfortable crossing the open parking lot. I have only just >>> started crossing the open lot myself as I start to get comfortable >>> doing so. >>> >>> As for finding your apartment, are there any landmarks nearby? For >>> example, my apartment is the only one with just two steps down to the >>> building. The other buildings all have several up or several down >>> (this was on purpose...because of my trouble with balance, stairs can >>> be dangerous for me). Also, about a hundred feet to the left of my >>> building is a turn in the sidewalk ninety degrees. To the right is a >>> zig-zag left then right. If I end up at either sidewalks and walk to >>> the direction I think my apartment is in, I look for these features in >>> the sidewalk to show me where I am. >>> >>> Additionally, smells can be of great help, good or bad. I know when >>> I'm at the dumpster because goodness, does it stink! I know where the >>> spot to cross from the middle of the round-about is because there is a >>> lovely crepe myrtle in blossom right where I need to cross. This won't >>> always be there (the smell, not the tree), but it helps for now, and I >>> have other ways to know. >>> >>> Sounds are also good to use. There are several young Chicano children >>> who live in the apartment building next to mine. They play outside >>> their building each afternoon, so when I come home, I aim for just >>> right of them, and often turn up directly in front of my steps! At the >>> round-about outside my apartment complex, I use the crepe myrtle's >>> smell, but I also listen for cars coming from Marcom Street. If there >>> is one coming, I hear where they are and aim about 10 feet to the left >>> of that, often making it directly at the sidewalk or grass to the >>> right or left of the sidewalk where I can easily find the sidewalk. >>> >>> Use all your senses to figure out where you are, where you are going, >>> and what you are doing. Find landmarks (or at your apartment, make >>> one), and go straight when you can. >>> >>> When it comes to crossing a driveway, it is better to go too far from >>> the open area or road than too far away. So, if you are on the right >>> side of the road, veer right if in doubt, and if you're on the left >>> side of the street, veer left if in doubt. Because of my balance >>> problems, I veer often. My O&M instructor saw this and gave me the tip >>> that when in doubt, move away from the road rather than toward it. If >>> you're in the driveway, you're safer than if you are in the open >>> parking lot or road. >>> >>> This won't help much with a driveway connecting to a parking lot, but >>> when you're crossing a driveway connected to a street, listen to the >>> cars on the street. Keep them at an even distance and you'll be going >>> straight. If you veer too far away from the road, you'll hear that the >>> cars are further away, and if you veer too close, the cars will sound >>> way too close. Listen to the cars as you travel, and you'll be able to >>> correct your path across a driveway or intersecting street. Also, if >>> there is a car waiting on the intersecting street or in the driveway, >>> use their placement as a target. If they are too far forward, aim to >>> go behind them by a minimum of 10 feet to avoid getting hit if they >>> back up suddenly. If you feel they are not too close to the road, go >>> in front of them about 5 feet so they can see you. >>> >>> I noted above that you can make your own landmarks for some places, >>> like your apartment. A very simple way to do a last-minute check >>> before putting the key in is to put a rubber band around the doorknob. >>> I did this when all the doors looked the same tactilely and I kept >>> trying to put my key in someone else's door. If your leasing office >>> allows it, you can put a large potted plant or other item outside your >>> apartment to use as a landmark. Most companies will allow plants and >>> outside furniture. >>> >>> That's all I have for now. I hope it helped! >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/28/10, Kerri Kosten wrote: >>>> Hi All! >>>> >>>> I hve a few more travel questions I wanted to ask. >>>> >>>> First, what is the best way to navigate parking lots and those >>>> driveways in the parking lots you sometimes have to cross? Cars can >>>> come in and out of them and there is no landmarks or anything...it's >>>> just one big open space. >>>> >>>> The reason I am asking is because I live in a big apartment complex. >>>> To take the trash out, you have to go all the way across the parking >>>> lot. For the most part, the parking lot has a curb along it which I >>>> can follow with my cane, but there are two places where the curb ends >>>> and you have to cross this driveway/street like thing (I don't know >>>> what it's exactly called.) Anyway, there are no landmarks and no >>>> curb...you have to go straight across it and pick up the curb on the >>>> other side. >>>> >>>> I've been told that cars can come in and out of the driveway things, >>>> but I imagine it's not too busy. However, it terrifies me that a car >>>> is going to come while I am crossing and hit me. Do I just make sure >>>> to listen before crossing and try to cross as fast as I can? >>>> >>>> Also, veering is a huge problem for me. I know most blind people can >>>> not walk in an exact straight line but what is the best way for me to >>>> cross this driveway and stay as straight as possible so I can catch >>>> the curb on the other side and not get myself lost? I've read that >>>> keeping the cane centered like near the middle of the stomach, where >>>> the belly button is helps. I've also read that walking fast and trying >>>> to keep your feet straight helps. I was taught at convention how to >>>> use the two-point touch technique with my palm up, moving only my >>>> wrist. Is there anything else I can do? It scares me that I'm going to >>>> get really lost when taking the trash out and end up getting in hthe >>>> middle of the drive way thingy. >>>> >>>> Also, because I didn't know the hotel at convention, like everyone >>>> else I got very used to getting lost and wandering around and asking >>>> assistance to get where I wanted. It made me get over my fear of >>>> getting lost in huge buildings. However, I am still very scared about >>>> getting lost outdoors. What is the best way to deal with this? Is it >>>> the same concept as getting lost inside a building...jjust walk >>>> around, and ask assistance when you hear someone coming? I know this >>>> will sound very irrational, but I guess in a building you only have so >>>> much space, so many floors. Outside, you have the whole world...it >>>> never ends...there is no limit! I hope that doesn't sound too dumb. >>>> How did you get over fears of getting lost outdoors? >>>> >>>> I really want to try taking my own trash out independently but I am >>>> terrified of veering when crossing that driveway thing, getting hit >>>> while crossing, or getting really lost and not being able to find the >>>> building my apartment is in. There are like 10 different buildings, >>>> and they are building more! There is a pool on one side of the parking >>>> lot, the trash thing, and a clubhouse...and you have to cross the >>>> parking lot to get to all of them...so it's a huge open area with the >>>> various apartment buildings spread out all over. >>>> >>>> I could have an orientation and mobility instructor come and help me, >>>> but there aren't any good ones here and I hate route travel...I know I >>>> can do this myself if I can get over these silly fears! >>>> >>>> And, finally...when you are using your cane and you are in a hallway >>>> looking for a certain door or just going along a hallway where there >>>> is a wall on either side with doors along it...do you still use the >>>> two-point touch technique or do you switch to more of a constant >>>> contact technique where you slide the cane from side to side? >>>> >>>> Thanks so much and hope these questions don't sound too dumb. >>>> >>>> Kerri >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ~Jewel >>> Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind! >>> Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Julie McG >> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera >> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding >> Eyes for the Blind >> >> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >> life." >> John 3:16 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Darian Smith > Skype: The_Blind_Truth > Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com > Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/goldengateace > > > “We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are > spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kat.bottner%40gmail.com > From mcikeyc at aol.com Wed Jul 28 17:55:23 2010 From: mcikeyc at aol.com (Michelle Clark) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:55:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Black Board Message-ID: Hi David and others, One of the good things I got out of the sessions in which BB representatives spoke at the convention was that Version 9.1 was the most accessible. They also asked us to approach our schools to determine what version they were running on. To my dismay, I learned the school is running on 8.0. They tell be they are looking into upgrading, but I do understand in the interim, I must deal with the current one. At least the Disability Services Department seems to want to help as well as the instructor by making documents, etc assessable to me in alternate formats. I am awaiting an answer and the actual upgrade but the semester stills moves forward. In the meantime, I must keep on truckin'. Thanks, Michelle Clark From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 18:06:38 2010 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:06:38 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] navigating parking lots/open spaces and other travel questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ah, and I forgot one thing, while navigating in a building I am wanting to find a particular roon on a side of the hallway, Igo to an oldie but goodie; shorelining (contacting the wall I amnearest to and where I think that door is with my cane . I'm still using two point or constintcontact (whatever you want to use in this case), but I would make shure that my ark is contacting that wall I want. I hope that makes sense Darian On 7/28/10, Kat Bottner wrote: > Hey Kerri, > I totally agree with Darrian here, it's a good idea to just do a try > run of any route, or if you don't feel comfortable doing it alone, why > not ask a family member or a friend to go with you at first,so if need > be they can point out things,such as land marks you can use, that > maybe you don't find yourself. I know for me, having mobility > instruction helps a great deal, that's what I did when I moved from my > mom's into the apartment complex I'm in now. Although I don't have to > cross that big of a parking lot to get to the dumpster, I do cross the > drive way thing that the cars use for getting into the parking lot who > live in the complex. I'm not sure how your complex is layed out, or > how far the parking lot is to your apartment building, but it helps me > to find a path, a side walk, or walk way to trail for easy getting to > the dumpster and back to my building. I hope this helps, and hope you > can figure out a solution to this challenge that works for you! Also, > like Darrian has already mentioned, keep the questions coming, no > question should be not asked just because you may think it's dumb or > you're not sure how someone might react, just ask, and you might be > surprised of what response you'll get. > > Take Care, > Kat > > On 7/28/10, Darian Smith wrote: >> Kerri, >> all very good questions. >> as for the crossing a driveway and making sure you contact the >> desired corner, i would first put my back to the sidewalk I am >> wishing to leave, or line up my heels to the curb I wish to leave, >> hold my cane centered as always, but instead of arking it, just hold >> it centered once I start my crossing, I find I keep a very straight >> line in those situations where I am most concerned with vereing. Of >> course you are going to have to listen for trafic, but in a parking >> lot such as in an apartment complex, chances are the amount of >> traffic you will get is not too bad at all. If you want to give it a >> dry run and see what issues you are having, you might do that. If you >> need land marks on your dry run; who's to say you can't bring some; a >> chair, an orange cone, something that you can contact with your cane >> to help you to break down the route. >> I know it can be frightening to give figuring out a route a go, but >> I think that if you take what your trying to figure out and break it >> down into steps, it will be easier for you and not as stressful. >> as for traveling in the public outdoors, you can always ask for >> directions from the general public. Stores, eateries, gatherings of >> people at a streetcorner or on the sidewalk are good people to ask >> because they are right there and have agood vantage point of what's >> around them and can give you good information alot of the time. >> I hope that helps, and keep the questions coming! >> Darian Smith >> >> >> On 7/28/10, Julie McGinnity wrote: >>> Hi Kerri. >>> >>> I used to be very scared too of walking in open spaces like parking >>> lots. It's hard to figure out where things are because everything is >>> so spread out. It might help you and make you feel a little more at >>> ease to have a sighted friend or family member walk behind you as you >>> go across the parking lot to the dumpster for the first time. They >>> wouldn't have to say anything unless you got lost. It might make you >>> feel better to know if you are doing it all right. It's scarier to >>> get lost outside because it's harder to find people to ask for help, >>> and it's so wide open. I know exactly how you feel. >>> >>> Good luck. >>> >>> On 7/28/10, Jewel S. wrote: >>>> I have a similar circumstance to deal with at my apartments. To get >>>> out of the parking lot, I have to cross a large parking lot, or go all >>>> the way around on the sidewalk and walk on the side of the driveway >>>> when the sidewalk ends. >>>> >>>> Can you see well enough to see the white lines in the parking lot? >>>> These can be a big help. On bright sunny days, I can just make out the >>>> lines, and as long as I am at the spot where the line ends, I know I'm >>>> on target to not run into any cars or be in the middle of nowhere. >>>> >>>> If you can't see the lines, what other landmarks can you find? Is >>>> there a center "aisle" in the parking lot, like is often seen in the >>>> parking lots of stores (a curb and grass)? If so, walking on that >>>> would be of great help, I'm sure. >>>> >>>> Other than that, my best suggestion is to stick to the curb until you >>>> feel more comfortable crossing the open parking lot. I have only just >>>> started crossing the open lot myself as I start to get comfortable >>>> doing so. >>>> >>>> As for finding your apartment, are there any landmarks nearby? For >>>> example, my apartment is the only one with just two steps down to the >>>> building. The other buildings all have several up or several down >>>> (this was on purpose...because of my trouble with balance, stairs can >>>> be dangerous for me). Also, about a hundred feet to the left of my >>>> building is a turn in the sidewalk ninety degrees. To the right is a >>>> zig-zag left then right. If I end up at either sidewalks and walk to >>>> the direction I think my apartment is in, I look for these features in >>>> the sidewalk to show me where I am. >>>> >>>> Additionally, smells can be of great help, good or bad. I know when >>>> I'm at the dumpster because goodness, does it stink! I know where the >>>> spot to cross from the middle of the round-about is because there is a >>>> lovely crepe myrtle in blossom right where I need to cross. This won't >>>> always be there (the smell, not the tree), but it helps for now, and I >>>> have other ways to know. >>>> >>>> Sounds are also good to use. There are several young Chicano children >>>> who live in the apartment building next to mine. They play outside >>>> their building each afternoon, so when I come home, I aim for just >>>> right of them, and often turn up directly in front of my steps! At the >>>> round-about outside my apartment complex, I use the crepe myrtle's >>>> smell, but I also listen for cars coming from Marcom Street. If there >>>> is one coming, I hear where they are and aim about 10 feet to the left >>>> of that, often making it directly at the sidewalk or grass to the >>>> right or left of the sidewalk where I can easily find the sidewalk. >>>> >>>> Use all your senses to figure out where you are, where you are going, >>>> and what you are doing. Find landmarks (or at your apartment, make >>>> one), and go straight when you can. >>>> >>>> When it comes to crossing a driveway, it is better to go too far from >>>> the open area or road than too far away. So, if you are on the right >>>> side of the road, veer right if in doubt, and if you're on the left >>>> side of the street, veer left if in doubt. Because of my balance >>>> problems, I veer often. My O&M instructor saw this and gave me the tip >>>> that when in doubt, move away from the road rather than toward it. If >>>> you're in the driveway, you're safer than if you are in the open >>>> parking lot or road. >>>> >>>> This won't help much with a driveway connecting to a parking lot, but >>>> when you're crossing a driveway connected to a street, listen to the >>>> cars on the street. Keep them at an even distance and you'll be going >>>> straight. If you veer too far away from the road, you'll hear that the >>>> cars are further away, and if you veer too close, the cars will sound >>>> way too close. Listen to the cars as you travel, and you'll be able to >>>> correct your path across a driveway or intersecting street. Also, if >>>> there is a car waiting on the intersecting street or in the driveway, >>>> use their placement as a target. If they are too far forward, aim to >>>> go behind them by a minimum of 10 feet to avoid getting hit if they >>>> back up suddenly. If you feel they are not too close to the road, go >>>> in front of them about 5 feet so they can see you. >>>> >>>> I noted above that you can make your own landmarks for some places, >>>> like your apartment. A very simple way to do a last-minute check >>>> before putting the key in is to put a rubber band around the doorknob. >>>> I did this when all the doors looked the same tactilely and I kept >>>> trying to put my key in someone else's door. If your leasing office >>>> allows it, you can put a large potted plant or other item outside your >>>> apartment to use as a landmark. Most companies will allow plants and >>>> outside furniture. >>>> >>>> That's all I have for now. I hope it helped! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/28/10, Kerri Kosten wrote: >>>>> Hi All! >>>>> >>>>> I hve a few more travel questions I wanted to ask. >>>>> >>>>> First, what is the best way to navigate parking lots and those >>>>> driveways in the parking lots you sometimes have to cross? Cars can >>>>> come in and out of them and there is no landmarks or anything...it's >>>>> just one big open space. >>>>> >>>>> The reason I am asking is because I live in a big apartment complex. >>>>> To take the trash out, you have to go all the way across the parking >>>>> lot. For the most part, the parking lot has a curb along it which I >>>>> can follow with my cane, but there are two places where the curb ends >>>>> and you have to cross this driveway/street like thing (I don't know >>>>> what it's exactly called.) Anyway, there are no landmarks and no >>>>> curb...you have to go straight across it and pick up the curb on the >>>>> other side. >>>>> >>>>> I've been told that cars can come in and out of the driveway things, >>>>> but I imagine it's not too busy. However, it terrifies me that a car >>>>> is going to come while I am crossing and hit me. Do I just make sure >>>>> to listen before crossing and try to cross as fast as I can? >>>>> >>>>> Also, veering is a huge problem for me. I know most blind people can >>>>> not walk in an exact straight line but what is the best way for me to >>>>> cross this driveway and stay as straight as possible so I can catch >>>>> the curb on the other side and not get myself lost? I've read that >>>>> keeping the cane centered like near the middle of the stomach, where >>>>> the belly button is helps. I've also read that walking fast and trying >>>>> to keep your feet straight helps. I was taught at convention how to >>>>> use the two-point touch technique with my palm up, moving only my >>>>> wrist. Is there anything else I can do? It scares me that I'm going to >>>>> get really lost when taking the trash out and end up getting in hthe >>>>> middle of the drive way thingy. >>>>> >>>>> Also, because I didn't know the hotel at convention, like everyone >>>>> else I got very used to getting lost and wandering around and asking >>>>> assistance to get where I wanted. It made me get over my fear of >>>>> getting lost in huge buildings. However, I am still very scared about >>>>> getting lost outdoors. What is the best way to deal with this? Is it >>>>> the same concept as getting lost inside a building...jjust walk >>>>> around, and ask assistance when you hear someone coming? I know this >>>>> will sound very irrational, but I guess in a building you only have so >>>>> much space, so many floors. Outside, you have the whole world...it >>>>> never ends...there is no limit! I hope that doesn't sound too dumb. >>>>> How did you get over fears of getting lost outdoors? >>>>> >>>>> I really want to try taking my own trash out independently but I am >>>>> terrified of veering when crossing that driveway thing, getting hit >>>>> while crossing, or getting really lost and not being able to find the >>>>> building my apartment is in. There are like 10 different buildings, >>>>> and they are building more! There is a pool on one side of the parking >>>>> lot, the trash thing, and a clubhouse...and you have to cross the >>>>> parking lot to get to all of them...so it's a huge open area with the >>>>> various apartment buildings spread out all over. >>>>> >>>>> I could have an orientation and mobility instructor come and help me, >>>>> but there aren't any good ones here and I hate route travel...I know I >>>>> can do this myself if I can get over these silly fears! >>>>> >>>>> And, finally...when you are using your cane and you are in a hallway >>>>> looking for a certain door or just going along a hallway where there >>>>> is a wall on either side with doors along it...do you still use the >>>>> two-point touch technique or do you switch to more of a constant >>>>> contact technique where you slide the cane from side to side? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks so much and hope these questions don't sound too dumb. >>>>> >>>>> Kerri >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ~Jewel >>>> Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind! >>>> Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Julie McG >>> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera >>> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding >>> Eyes for the Blind >>> >>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >>> life." >>> John 3:16 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Darian Smith >> Skype: The_Blind_Truth >> Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com >> Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/goldengateace >> >> >> “We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are >> spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kat.bottner%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > -- Darian Smith Skype: The_Blind_Truth Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/goldengateace “We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin From kc2992a at student.american.edu Wed Jul 28 19:27:22 2010 From: kc2992a at student.american.edu (Katy Carroll) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:27:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Slate Committee Conference Call this Sunday In-Reply-To: <00d801cb2e22$f3b48190$db1d84b0$@com> References: <00d801cb2e22$f3b48190$db1d84b0$@com> Message-ID: I would like to participate; I think I can make it. Best, Kate Carroll On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Sean Whalen wrote: > Good evening, > > > > I am writing to let anybody who is interested know that the Student Slate > Committee will be having a conference call this Sunday, August 1st, at 8:00 > eastern time. Anybody who is interested in either writing an article for > the > Slate or helping us to identify potential authors with interesting stories > to tell is most welcome to attend. The dial in information is as follows: > > > > Number: (712) 775-7100 > > Participant Code: 257963 > > > > As always, thank you for your help, and we look forward to talking with you > on Sunday. > > > > Take care, > > > > Sean > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kc2992a%40student.american.edu > -- Kathryn CARROLL BlueLaw International LLP 703-647-7508 Cell: 631-521-3018 From kc2992a at student.american.edu Wed Jul 28 19:42:46 2010 From: kc2992a at student.american.edu (Katy Carroll) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:42:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Slate Committee Conference Call this Sunday In-Reply-To: References: <00d801cb2e22$f3b48190$db1d84b0$@com> Message-ID: When is the next deadline for student Slate submissions? On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Katy Carroll wrote: > I would like to participate; I think I can make it. > > Best, > Kate Carroll > > > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Sean Whalen wrote: > >> Good evening, >> >> >> >> I am writing to let anybody who is interested know that the Student Slate >> Committee will be having a conference call this Sunday, August 1st, at >> 8:00 >> eastern time. Anybody who is interested in either writing an article for >> the >> Slate or helping us to identify potential authors with interesting stories >> to tell is most welcome to attend. The dial in information is as follows: >> >> >> >> Number: (712) 775-7100 >> >> Participant Code: 257963 >> >> >> >> As always, thank you for your help, and we look forward to talking with >> you >> on Sunday. >> >> >> >> Take care, >> >> >> >> Sean >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kc2992a%40student.american.edu >> > > > > -- > Kathryn CARROLL > BlueLaw International LLP > 703-647-7508 > Cell: 631-521-3018 > > -- Kathryn CARROLL BlueLaw International LLP 703-647-7508 Cell: 631-521-3018 From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Jul 28 19:47:42 2010 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:47:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] access to gmail Message-ID: <0CD4C44ED9E8456E91E3990AB9D64BB6@Ashley> Hi all, Is there a way to make gmail accessible to jaws 11? I am hoping to use GMAIL for another email account but run into access issues clicking on messages to read them with jaws. It reads me the message sender and subject line but I can't get to the message. Thanks. Ashley From brice.smith319 at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 19:55:20 2010 From: brice.smith319 at gmail.com (Brice Smith) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:55:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] access to gmail In-Reply-To: <0CD4C44ED9E8456E91E3990AB9D64BB6@Ashley> References: <0CD4C44ED9E8456E91E3990AB9D64BB6@Ashley> Message-ID: Set your Gmail default view to the basic html version. You can also access the html site at mail.google.com/mail/h. Brice On 7/28/10, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Hi all, > Is there a way to make gmail accessible to jaws 11? I am hoping to use > GMAIL for another email account but run into access issues clicking on > messages to read them with jaws. It reads me the message sender and subject > line but I can't get to the message. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brice.smith319%40gmail.com > From kaybaycar at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 19:57:30 2010 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:57:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] access to gmail In-Reply-To: <0CD4C44ED9E8456E91E3990AB9D64BB6@Ashley> References: <0CD4C44ED9E8456E91E3990AB9D64BB6@Ashley> Message-ID: Hi. Did you find the "view as HTML" link. If you find that one, then you can view everything as links. The only thing it won't let you do as far as I know is enter contacts in HTML. I may be wrong about this. I've had my gmail account forever, so if you have anymore questions feel free to ask. Good luck. On 7/28/10, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Hi all, > Is there a way to make gmail accessible to jaws 11? I am hoping to use > GMAIL for another email account but run into access issues clicking on > messages to read them with jaws. It reads me the message sender and subject > line but I can't get to the message. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie McG Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding Eyes for the Blind "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Jul 28 20:29:47 2010 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:29:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] navigating parking lots/open spaces and other travelquestions References: Message-ID: <35062A1C0E1F4D98AF3C8E66E9E20E3B@Ashley> Hi Kerri, Good questions. I also veer when I can't see the path ahead such as night and I am also scared of getting lost outside. I know exactly the feeling. As Julie said outside is so wide open and its harder to find people to ask questions and get help. I think practice will help you feel better. Also you might want to read up on safety precautions. Generally, walking in an city with other pedestrians is safer. There is safety in numbers. Is there a friend nearby? Let someone know you trust where you're going so if you are missing, they know where approximately to find you. You might want to get a whistle if you feel vulnerable. Something noisy like that will scare muggers away hopefully. Also definately carry a cell phone. I cannot help you with the veering and walking straight across to find the curb and trash area. Maybe asking someone to help you find landmarks would help. Just listen for cars and perhaps take the trash out at a less busy time. Check with the owner of the complex. But I would imagine middle of the day would be less busy because many residents will have left for work. Is there a crosswalk you can feel with your cane or see? If you have no vision, relying on landmarks and perhaps a raised crosswalk would help. I believe in modifying the environment to some extent for us. Some Federationists don't but I believe implementing such accessible designs helps all of the public. Some accessible features might be a tactile crosswalk, making a signal that is audible there so you can cross and have the right of way, or placing a landmark on the other side of the curb for you as an orientation clue. As for finding the right apartment building, find landmarks. Is there something distinct about your building vs others? Sounds? Maybe smells of flowers? For finding your door, you could place something by your door or on the door as long as there's no rules against it. Putting a rubber band or ribbon on the doorknob would help. A wreath or decoration on the door would work if you can see it from a short distance. Flowers by the door is another option. You said "However, I am still very scared about getting lost outdoors. What is the best way to deal with this? Is it the same concept as getting lost inside a building...jjust walk around, and ask assistance when you hear someone coming?" Yes, that is what I've done so far and blind travelers indicate they ask lots of questions in unfamiliar places. So far though I'm not employed yet and have not been many places unfamiliar. I know how you feel; its a scary world and often pedestrians are not given much consideration. Outside don't get too near people. Observe the environment and ask someone you might trust. Pedestrians gathering at street corners are generally helpful. Unless you're in a tourist area like DC, pedestrians likely know the area and can ive you good information on what they see around the block or what is nearby. Don't ask anyone that is smelly or talking in a bad manner. I don't want to scare you, but around bus shelters and subway stations I've observed some loud behavior, cursing, and people that could have been on drugs or homeless. So yes ask questions, but do so carefully. Other generally safe places to solicit assistance or information is stores, malls, and eateries. Finally, your cane question. When walking in a hall with your cane, where there's doors along the sides, I use constant contact. Indoors, I don't feel you need the info of tapping the cane and besides you can feel the door openings if you touch the side of the hall with your cane. Also I don't like nor need the noise of the cane taps in this environment. HTH, Ashley From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Jul 28 20:39:32 2010 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:39:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] access to gmail References: <0CD4C44ED9E8456E91E3990AB9D64BB6@Ashley> Message-ID: <453D51A894F34E94974BCBD7BAF8CF23@Ashley> Hi, Yes after some searching I found the HTML setting. IF I click to make it default, does it save that setting and won't change to standard unless I change it? Also, lots of links along the side of the page. What commands are best to get to the text of the email? Would the heading command, H, work? I don't know if there's always a heading at the top of a message. Thanks. Ashley From nabs.president at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 21:01:41 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:01:41 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] navigating parking lots/open spaces and other travelquestions In-Reply-To: <35062A1C0E1F4D98AF3C8E66E9E20E3B@Ashley> References: <35062A1C0E1F4D98AF3C8E66E9E20E3B@Ashley> Message-ID: Hi Kerri and all, I'll write more later but just wanted to say that moving cars in parking lots aren't a major safety hazard. When I was growing up I was always taught to avoid walking in parking lots or crossing driveways and it wasn't until I went to Louisiana that I realized that walking in a parking lot isn't a big deal. Cars move slowly and they won't pull out if they see you crossing their path. Even if some idiot is speeding in a parking lot, you'll hear them coming and you can simply stand still and let them go by. When I cross a driveway or an uncontrolled street, I usually stand and count to five and if it's quiet for five seconds and I don't hear anyone coming after five seconds, I judge that it's safe. Even if someone is coming, if you can't hear them when you start crossing, they're too far away to hit you before you finish crossing. Sighted people often fear that we won't detect cars in time to avoid crossing their path, but the fact is that except for some very quiet hybrids, almost allcars make enough noise to be detectable by the time they're close enough to require your attention. Arielle On 7/28/10, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi Kerri, > > Good questions. I also veer when I can't see the path ahead such as night > and I am also scared of getting lost outside. I know exactly the feeling. > As Julie said outside is so wide open and its harder to find people to ask > questions and get help. I think practice will help you feel better. Also > you might want to read up on safety precautions. Generally, walking in an > city with other pedestrians is safer. There is safety in numbers. Is there > a friend nearby? Let someone know you trust where you're going so if you > are missing, they know where approximately to find you. You might want to > get a whistle if you feel vulnerable. Something noisy like that will scare > muggers away hopefully. Also definately carry a cell phone. > > I cannot help you with the veering and walking straight across to find the > curb and trash area. Maybe asking someone to help you find landmarks would > help. > Just listen for cars and perhaps take the trash out at a less busy time. > Check with the owner of the complex. But I would imagine middle of the day > would be less busy because many residents will have left for work. > Is there a crosswalk you can feel with your cane or see? If you have no > vision, relying on landmarks and perhaps a raised crosswalk would help. > I believe in modifying the environment to some extent for us. Some > Federationists don't but I believe implementing such accessible designs > helps all of the public. > Some accessible features might be a tactile crosswalk, making a signal that > is audible there so you can cross and have the right of way, or placing a > landmark on the other side of the curb for you as an orientation clue. > > As for finding the right apartment building, find landmarks. Is there > something distinct about your building vs others? Sounds? Maybe smells of > flowers? For finding your door, you could place something by your door or > on the door as long as there's no rules against it. Putting a rubber band > or ribbon on the doorknob would help. A wreath or decoration on the door > would work if you can see it from a short distance. Flowers by the door is > another option. > > You said > "However, I am still very scared about > getting lost outdoors. What is the best way to deal with this? Is it the > same concept as getting lost inside a building...jjust walk > around, and ask assistance when you hear someone coming?" > > Yes, that is what I've done so far and blind travelers indicate they ask > lots of questions in unfamiliar places. So far though I'm not employed yet > and have not been many places unfamiliar. I know how you feel; its a scary > world and often pedestrians are not given much consideration. > Outside don't get too near people. Observe the environment and ask someone > you might trust. Pedestrians gathering at street corners are generally > helpful. Unless you're in a tourist area like DC, pedestrians likely know > the area and can ive you good information on what they see around the block > or what is nearby. > Don't ask anyone that is smelly or talking in a bad manner. I don't want to > scare you, but around bus shelters and subway stations I've observed some > loud behavior, cursing, and people that could have been on drugs or > homeless. > So yes ask questions, but do so carefully. Other generally safe places to > solicit assistance or information is stores, malls, and eateries. > > Finally, your cane question. When walking in a hall with your cane, where > there's doors along the sides, I use constant contact. Indoors, I don't > feel you need the info of tapping the cane and besides you can feel the door > openings if you touch the side of the hall with your cane. Also I don't > like nor need the noise of the cane taps in this environment. > > HTH, > Ashley > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com > -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 21:07:16 2010 From: ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com (Ben J. Bloomgren) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:07:16 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] navigating parking lots/open spaces and othertravelquestions References: <35062A1C0E1F4D98AF3C8E66E9E20E3B@Ashley> Message-ID: <9DC98FE6D15A416BB027A90B36411F5F@Netbook> If available, I use the traffic that I hear by the entrance or exit of the parking lot. For example, the King Supers at Littleton and Broadway has a parking lot that you have to cross to get from the road to the store. Luckily, Littleton and Broadway are huge roads, so they give ample traffic noise that you can follow. If not, see if there's a line of cars. Parking spaces are usually in a line on one end, so you'd walk on one side or the other. Those are my tips. Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] navigating parking lots/open spaces and othertravelquestions > Hi Kerri, > > Good questions. I also veer when I can't see the path ahead such as night > and I am also scared of getting lost outside. I know exactly the feeling. > As Julie said outside is so wide open and its harder to find people to > ask questions and get help. I think practice will help you feel better. > Also you might want to read up on safety precautions. Generally, walking > in an city with other pedestrians is safer. There is safety in numbers. > Is there a friend nearby? Let someone know you trust where you're going > so if you are missing, they know where approximately to find you. You > might want to get a whistle if you feel vulnerable. Something noisy like > that will scare muggers away hopefully. Also definately carry a cell > phone. > > I cannot help you with the veering and walking straight across to find the > curb and trash area. Maybe asking someone to help you find landmarks > would help. > Just listen for cars and perhaps take the trash out at a less busy time. > Check with the owner of the complex. But I would imagine middle of the > day would be less busy because many residents will have left for work. > Is there a crosswalk you can feel with your cane or see? If you have no > vision, relying on landmarks and perhaps a raised crosswalk would help. > I believe in modifying the environment to some extent for us. Some > Federationists don't but I believe implementing such accessible designs > helps all of the public. > Some accessible features might be a tactile crosswalk, making a signal > that is audible there so you can cross and have the right of way, or > placing a landmark on the other side of the curb for you as an orientation > clue. > > As for finding the right apartment building, find landmarks. Is there > something distinct about your building vs others? Sounds? Maybe smells > of flowers? For finding your door, you could place something by your door > or on the door as long as there's no rules against it. Putting a rubber > band or ribbon on the doorknob would help. A wreath or decoration on the > door would work if you can see it from a short distance. Flowers by the > door is another option. > > You said > "However, I am still very scared about > getting lost outdoors. What is the best way to deal with this? Is it the > same concept as getting lost inside a building...jjust walk > around, and ask assistance when you hear someone coming?" > > Yes, that is what I've done so far and blind travelers indicate they ask > lots of questions in unfamiliar places. So far though I'm not employed > yet and have not been many places unfamiliar. I know how you feel; its a > scary world and often pedestrians are not given much consideration. > Outside don't get too near people. Observe the environment and ask > someone you might trust. Pedestrians gathering at street corners are > generally helpful. Unless you're in a tourist area like DC, pedestrians > likely know the area and can ive you good information on what they see > around the block or what is nearby. > Don't ask anyone that is smelly or talking in a bad manner. I don't want > to scare you, but around bus shelters and subway stations I've observed > some loud behavior, cursing, and people that could have been on drugs or > homeless. > So yes ask questions, but do so carefully. Other generally safe places to > solicit assistance or information is stores, malls, and eateries. > > Finally, your cane question. When walking in a hall with your cane, > where there's doors along the sides, I use constant contact. Indoors, I > don't feel you need the info of tapping the cane and besides you can feel > the door openings if you touch the side of the hall with your cane. Also > I don't like nor need the noise of the cane taps in this environment. > > HTH, > Ashley > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ben.j.bloomgren%40gmail.com From jsorozco at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 21:21:39 2010 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:21:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] navigating parking lots/open spaces and othertravelquestions In-Reply-To: References: <35062A1C0E1F4D98AF3C8E66E9E20E3B@Ashley> Message-ID: <3B53637E81334C8DBFF84855514621AD@Rufus> Hi Kerri, I realize the list is an excellent resource of information. Yet, with something like mobility, it's really a matter of getting out there and doing it. Do you have an instructor that works with you? Are they teaching you well? The list, I feel, should positively supplement what you learn on your lessons, but I hope there is someone dedicated, even just a blind person, who is getting out there and showing you how to navigate different scenarios. Personally, I would walk the perimeter of the parking lot, get a feel for what lies around the edges, and if one day I should stray from a straight course, I will at least have something of an idea of where I wind up. Telling me that the parking lot is big is very subjective. I'd need to get a mental picture of what big really feels like. Best of luck to you, Joe "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing From jty727 at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 21:32:53 2010 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:32:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] access to gmail In-Reply-To: <453D51A894F34E94974BCBD7BAF8CF23@Ashley> References: <0CD4C44ED9E8456E91E3990AB9D64BB6@Ashley> <453D51A894F34E94974BCBD7BAF8CF23@Ashley> Message-ID: Hi Ashley! I've used gmail for years. If you are a JAWS user when in your gmail account I would suggest go to list of links and hit "b" which will go to "Basic Html". to make it your default go to "set Basic html as default". As for headdings, when you open a message I would suggest hit "shift + h". the last headding will be your message. It won't go directly to your message, but you use down arrow and it will get to your message. Hope thiss helps! Justin On 7/28/10, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi, > Yes after some searching I found the HTML setting. IF I click to make it > default, does it save that setting and won't change to standard unless I > change it? Also, lots of links along the side of the page. What commands > are best to get to the text of the email? Would the heading command, H, > work? I don't know if there's always a heading at the top of a message. > > Thanks. > Ashley > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Jul 28 21:43:28 2010 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:43:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] navigating parking lots/open spaces andothertravelquestions References: <35062A1C0E1F4D98AF3C8E66E9E20E3B@Ashley> <3B53637E81334C8DBFF84855514621AD@Rufus> Message-ID: <9FD550AA99C546C4AA7CFA4EE4CE1D62@Ashley> Hi Joe, Excellent advice. I forgot about that strategy. How obvious. Kerri, its important for mobility to have someone work with you. Perhaps a blind person from your NFB chapter. You really need that! Its unfortunate you had bad experiences with O&M specialists. I had a great one until she left the agency and now my current one is terrible and can't teach. If no blind people are available maybe a friend can help with orientation. Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Orozco" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] navigating parking lots/open spaces andothertravelquestions > Hi Kerri, > > I realize the list is an excellent resource of information. Yet, with > something like mobility, it's really a matter of getting out there and > doing > it. Do you have an instructor that works with you? Are they teaching you > well? The list, I feel, should positively supplement what you learn on > your > lessons, but I hope there is someone dedicated, even just a blind person, > who is getting out there and showing you how to navigate different > scenarios. Personally, I would walk the perimeter of the parking lot, get > a > feel for what lies around the edges, and if one day I should stray from a > straight course, I will at least have something of an idea of where I wind > up. Telling me that the parking lot is big is very subjective. I'd need > to > get a mental picture of what big really feels like. > > Best of luck to you, > > Joe > > "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, > some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 22:03:57 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:03:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] access to gmail In-Reply-To: References: <0CD4C44ED9E8456E91E3990AB9D64BB6@Ashley> <453D51A894F34E94974BCBD7BAF8CF23@Ashley> Message-ID: Instead of hitting the down arrow, when I hit shift + H to get to the last sender (last heading), I then hit N for non-link text, and that almost always sends me to the beginning of the e-mail, except when it doesn't *grin* Usually, the only reason it wouldn't send me to the beginning of the e-mail is if the beginning is a link or graphic, which is not very common. Also, because GMail uses conversational mode, it stacks the e-mails. Thus, any e-mail that has the same subject will be placed with the others of that subject. This took a bit of time for me to get used to, but if you find the link "Expand All" within the conversation, it will show all the e-mails in that conversation, and each sender's name will be a heading. So, you can use shift + H to get to the last sender, then repeat to get to the message before that, and so on until you get to the Subject heading. GMail has a large number of pages with information about using their e-mail system with a screenreader on GMail Help: Using GMail with a Screenreader http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=90559 Using the Basic HTML mode with a screenreader http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=146375 Among the browser-based email clients, I have found GMail to be the most accessible, but not all features of Google are as accessible, including Google Wave, which I don't think is usable by a screenreader-user. On 7/28/10, Justin Young wrote: > Hi Ashley! > I've used gmail for years. If you are a JAWS user when in your gmail > account I would suggest go to list of links and hit "b" which will go > to "Basic Html". to make it your default go to "set Basic html as > default". As for headdings, when you open a message I would suggest > hit "shift + h". the last headding will be your message. It won't go > directly to your message, but you use down arrow and it will get to > your message. > Hope thiss helps! > Justin > > On 7/28/10, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi, >> Yes after some searching I found the HTML setting. IF I click to make it >> default, does it save that setting and won't change to standard unless I >> change it? Also, lots of links along the side of the page. What commands >> are best to get to the text of the email? Would the heading command, H, >> work? I don't know if there's always a heading at the top of a message. >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > -- ~Jewel Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind! Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com From freespirit328 at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 22:11:43 2010 From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:11:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Issues with Kurzweil and applying for housing Message-ID: Hi all, This may possibly be a long post, so I'll get right to it. I've applied for housing, and I am currently waiting for approval for a wheelchair and sensory accessible apartment. However, this will probably take forever because my parents are wining about filling out a questionaire. Now I know this might be wrong to do, but I'm so frustrated with them that I don't really care. I have asked my Dad to give me the questinaire so I can scan it and print out the bloody answers so all he has to do is copy them onto the form. Do you think he has given the form to me? Nope, I'm still waiting...going on six days now. I was given another questionaire from another housing authority I applied at however, but when I scanned it, it was unreadable. I don't know if it was mostly handwritten or what. So I'm trying to take care of this issue, but if Kurzweil won't read the dumb form to me, there's nothing I can do. Any suggestions? Thanks, Jennifer ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ Shop my store for the latest and greatest in beauty and wellness products! www.youravon.com/jaberdeen Get paid to read email! http://www.sendearnings.com/?r=ref1487633 From serenacucco at verizon.net Wed Jul 28 22:16:56 2010 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:16:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Issues with Kurzweil and applying for housing References: Message-ID: Why won't your dad just help you out? You could ask a friend or neighbor to read it to you. Depending on how long it is, paying the friend/neighbor might help. Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" To: "NABS-L" Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:11 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Issues with Kurzweil and applying for housing > Hi all, > > This may possibly be a long post, so I'll get right to it. > > I've applied for housing, and I am currently waiting for approval for a > wheelchair and sensory accessible apartment. However, this will probably > take forever because my parents are wining about filling out a > questionaire. > > Now I know this might be wrong to do, but I'm so frustrated with them that > I don't really care. I have asked my Dad to give me the questinaire so I > can scan it and print out the bloody answers so all he has to do is copy > them onto the form. Do you think he has given the form to me? Nope, I'm > still waiting...going on six days now. > > I was given another questionaire from another housing authority I applied > at however, but when I scanned it, it was unreadable. I don't know if it > was mostly handwritten or what. > > So I'm trying to take care of this issue, but if Kurzweil won't read the > dumb form to me, there's nothing I can do. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Jennifer > > ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ > Shop my store for the latest and greatest in beauty and wellness products! > www.youravon.com/jaberdeen > > Get paid to read email! > http://www.sendearnings.com/?r=ref1487633 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From freespirit328 at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 22:20:17 2010 From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:20:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Issues with Kurzweil and applying for housing References: Message-ID: <72AB77DF93D945D18975B28CC692E464@Gateway> Hi Serena, I think I'll do that if I ever get the form in my hand. I was hoping to get this done by Friday because I have to stop at the housing authority anyway to drop off the form my doctor filled out. Hopefully something positive happens. Jen ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ Shop my store for the latest and greatest in beauty and wellness products! www.youravon.com/jaberdeen Get paid to read email! http://www.sendearnings.com/?r=ref1487633 From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Jul 28 22:20:46 2010 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:20:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Issues with Kurzweil and applying for housing References: Message-ID: <36DADC1C76AD4BB4B65C5AEB876944F1@Ashley> Jennifer, That's too bad they are not cooperating. Do they not want you go obtain your own place? Maybe they're just busy. I think forms of this nature are best filled out with a trusted human reader. They can place a signature guide where you need to sign as well. So if your scanner won't read the text, look for another reader other than your dad. Do you have readers from college? Maybe they would work? Other family members in the area? If your rehab counselor is helpful maybe they would be a reader/scribe for you. Another idea is to ask for the form in braille or another accessible format. That seems reasonable to me. Then you can type your answers and use someone to write your answers on the form later. I hope you can work it out. Ashley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" To: "NABS-L" Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:11 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Issues with Kurzweil and applying for housing > Hi all, > > This may possibly be a long post, so I'll get right to it. > > I've applied for housing, and I am currently waiting for approval for a > wheelchair and sensory accessible apartment. However, this will probably > take forever because my parents are wining about filling out a > questionaire. > > Now I know this might be wrong to do, but I'm so frustrated with them that > I don't really care. I have asked my Dad to give me the questinaire so I > can scan it and print out the bloody answers so all he has to do is copy > them onto the form. Do you think he has given the form to me? Nope, I'm > still waiting...going on six days now. > > I was given another questionaire from another housing authority I applied > at however, but when I scanned it, it was unreadable. I don't know if it > was mostly handwritten or what. > > So I'm trying to take care of this issue, but if Kurzweil won't read the > dumb form to me, there's nothing I can do. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Jennifer > > ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ > Shop my store for the latest and greatest in beauty and wellness products! > www.youravon.com/jaberdeen > > Get paid to read email! > http://www.sendearnings.com/?r=ref1487633 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > From freespirit328 at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 22:27:22 2010 From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:27:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Issues with Kurzweil and applying for housing References: <36DADC1C76AD4BB4B65C5AEB876944F1@Ashley> Message-ID: <12151EF4171A4EA39E10A5F65A25FC80@Gateway> Hi Ashley, Thanks, I'll see about some of those suggestions. I have someone who I might be able to ask to help me out, although I'm not sure if she will or not seeing my folks are the ones who are suppose to fill it out. It's not that they don't want me to get my own place. This all came about because I wanted my boyfriend to move in with me. My Mother said no, so this is how I got my way about the need to move out. Not that it really matters what they want, but it does make it a lot easier, or so I thought. They're just too lazy to fill it out. Television is much more important I guess. Jen ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ Shop my store for the latest and greatest in beauty and wellness products! www.youravon.com/jaberdeen Get paid to read email! http://www.sendearnings.com/?r=ref1487633 From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 22:31:21 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:31:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] navigating parking lots/open spaces andothertravelquestions In-Reply-To: <9FD550AA99C546C4AA7CFA4EE4CE1D62@Ashley> References: <35062A1C0E1F4D98AF3C8E66E9E20E3B@Ashley> <3B53637E81334C8DBFF84855514621AD@Rufus> <9FD550AA99C546C4AA7CFA4EE4CE1D62@Ashley> Message-ID: I agree that parking lots are not usually a hazard, however sometimes they can be. I was once hit in the side of the knee by a car backing out of a parking spot. I was listening from the other parking spots and the driver of the car actually stuck his head out and told me I could go, that he would wait. Then, I was halfway across when he backed out right into me without looking! He would have kept backing up if someone hadn't run over and beat on his window to get him to stop, because I don't move fast enough to get out of the way. I tried, but couldn't. It left a nice little bruise on my knee, but that was all, so i guess I wasn't in much danger...I was just shocked that a driver would tell me to go then back out anyway...I guess he got impatient, but I was right in his path! And then he just drove off without checking that I was all right, and no one got the license plate. It was a very frustrating, angering situation. Not to get people worried about parking lots, but be careful! Also, some people zoom through a parking lot at top speeds, cutting across parking spaces that are empty...I've seen them, they are crazy. On 7/28/10, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi Joe, > Excellent advice. I forgot about that strategy. How obvious. Kerri, its > important for mobility to have someone work with you. Perhaps a blind > person from your NFB chapter. You really need that! Its unfortunate you > had bad experiences with O&M specialists. I had a great one until she left > the agency and now my current one is terrible and can't teach. If no blind > people are available maybe a friend can help with orientation. > > Ashley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe Orozco" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] navigating parking lots/open spaces > andothertravelquestions > > >> Hi Kerri, >> >> I realize the list is an excellent resource of information. Yet, with >> something like mobility, it's really a matter of getting out there and >> doing >> it. Do you have an instructor that works with you? Are they teaching you >> well? The list, I feel, should positively supplement what you learn on >> your >> lessons, but I hope there is someone dedicated, even just a blind person, >> who is getting out there and showing you how to navigate different >> scenarios. Personally, I would walk the perimeter of the parking lot, get >> >> a >> feel for what lies around the edges, and if one day I should stray from a >> straight course, I will at least have something of an idea of where I wind >> up. Telling me that the parking lot is big is very subjective. I'd need >> to >> get a mental picture of what big really feels like. >> >> Best of luck to you, >> >> Joe >> >> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, >> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > -- ~Jewel Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind! Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 22:36:01 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:36:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Issues with Kurzweil and applying for housing In-Reply-To: <12151EF4171A4EA39E10A5F65A25FC80@Gateway> References: <36DADC1C76AD4BB4B65C5AEB876944F1@Ashley> <12151EF4171A4EA39E10A5F65A25FC80@Gateway> Message-ID: Is this a form that only your parents can fill out? If not, why not get someone at the Housing Authority office to help you fill it out? They can also provide a new form. Otherwise, you could get someone else (a volunteer reader, a neighbour, or a counselor) to help you. If it has to be done by your parents, sit them down and tell them that you need about 15 minutes of their time to fill out the forms. Let them do it while watching TV if they want...people can do both at the same time. Or suggest they do it during commercials...do they really want to sit there listening to people tell them what to buy? Parents can be stupid sometimes; get on their tails and keep at it if you have to, or go to someone else if you can. On 7/28/10, Jennifer Aberdeen wrote: > Hi Ashley, > > Thanks, I'll see about some of those suggestions. I have someone who I might > be able to ask to help me out, although I'm not sure if she will or not > seeing my folks are the ones who are suppose to fill it out. > > It's not that they don't want me to get my own place. This all came about > because I wanted my boyfriend to move in with me. My Mother said no, so this > is how I got my way about the need to move out. Not that it really matters > what they want, but it does make it a lot easier, or so I thought. > > They're just too lazy to fill it out. Television is much more important I > guess. > > Jen > ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ > Shop my store for the latest and greatest in beauty and wellness products! > www.youravon.com/jaberdeen > > Get paid to read email! > http://www.sendearnings.com/?r=ref1487633 > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > -- ~Jewel Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind! Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com From freespirit328 at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 23:02:52 2010 From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:02:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Issues with Kurzweil and applying for housing References: <36DADC1C76AD4BB4B65C5AEB876944F1@Ashley><12151EF4171A4EA39E10A5F65A25FC80@Gateway> Message-ID: <2EC79BC5A9D644339F359B4F155E8AD6@Gateway> I'm not sure if it is a requirement for getting an apartment. The housing authority sent this questionaire to my parents because they are my land lords so to speak. It's more about my character than anything else. I guess my folks are just wining about it because of the way I pay rent; I don't give them $200 every month, instead I pay so much of the cable bill and by food with my food stamps. My Dad especially is worried about that because he claims me as a dependent on his taxes and he doesn't claim income. I told him he doesn't have to worry about that because I told the Housing authority this, but he's still wining. I'll ask him for the form again though. Maybe this time I'll be lucky and get it from him.. If I were able to get in his bedroom I'd going snooping myself, but that's one of the reasons I need my own place; this one is not wheelchair accessible. Jen ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ Shop my store for the latest and greatest in beauty and wellness products! www.youravon.com/jaberdeen Get paid to read email! http://www.sendearnings.com/?r=ref1487633 From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 28 23:13:35 2010 From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 16:13:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Issues with Kurzweil and applying for housing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <496663.2581.qm@web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Many of housing forms dwaling with assisted living and programs for those needing special assistence require hand-written answers in a special ink or on a special paper given from the housing department. Can a local group for the blind help you with filling out your papers? Do they offer "reader services?" Hope this helps. --- On Wed, 7/28/10, Jennifer Aberdeen wrote: > From: Jennifer Aberdeen > Subject: [nabs-l] Issues with Kurzweil and applying for housing > To: "NABS-L" > Date: Wednesday, July 28, 2010, 6:11 PM > Hi all, > > This may possibly be a long post, so I'll get right to it. > > I've applied for housing, and I am currently waiting for > approval for a wheelchair and sensory accessible apartment. > However, this will probably take forever because my parents > are wining about filling out a questionaire. > > Now I know this might be wrong to do, but I'm so frustrated > with them that I don't really care. I have asked my Dad to > give me the questinaire so I can scan it and print out the > bloody answers so all he has to do is copy them onto the > form. Do you think he has given the form to me? Nope, I'm > still waiting...going on six days now. > > I was given another questionaire from another housing > authority I applied at however, but when I scanned it, it > was unreadable. I don't know if it was mostly handwritten or > what. > > So I'm trying to take care of this issue, but if Kurzweil > won't read the dumb form to me, there's nothing I can do. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Jennifer > > ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ > Shop my store for the latest and greatest in beauty and > wellness products! > www.youravon.com/jaberdeen > > Get paid to read email! > http://www.sendearnings.com/?r=ref1487633 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/william.odonnell1%40yahoo.com > From brownbears at mchsi.com Wed Jul 28 23:24:06 2010 From: brownbears at mchsi.com (Miranda brown) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:24:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Walking Alone and Marching Together Message-ID: <0D48032FCBDE44D5B6B78F9B130EB14B@MIRANDA> Hi, I know this has been posted before but does anyone know where I can find the book Walking Alone and Marching together in a format that I can download to my victor reader stream? Thank you for your help in advance. Miranda From jsorozco at gmail.com Wed Jul 28 23:28:20 2010 From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:28:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Issues with Kurzweil and applying for housing In-Reply-To: <496663.2581.qm@web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <496663.2581.qm@web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <235E9385A26049639C965FC52722996D@Rufus> Can't the housing program itself provide someone to help fill out the paperwork? It's not an unreasonable request, and it's to their benefit to get one more resident. I guess I wouldn't see this as an accommodation as much as a friendly gesture I would offer someone if I were sighted. Joe "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of William ODonnell Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Issues with Kurzweil and applying for housing Many of housing forms dwaling with assisted living and programs for those needing special assistence require hand-written answers in a special ink or on a special paper given from the housing department. Can a local group for the blind help you with filling out your papers? Do they offer "reader services?" Hope this helps. --- On Wed, 7/28/10, Jennifer Aberdeen wrote: > From: Jennifer Aberdeen > Subject: [nabs-l] Issues with Kurzweil and applying for housing > To: "NABS-L" > Date: Wednesday, July 28, 2010, 6:11 PM > Hi all, > > This may possibly be a long post, so I'll get right to it. > > I've applied for housing, and I am currently waiting for > approval for a wheelchair and sensory accessible apartment. > However, this will probably take forever because my parents > are wining about filling out a questionaire. > > Now I know this might be wrong to do, but I'm so frustrated > with them that I don't really care. I have asked my Dad to > give me the questinaire so I can scan it and print out the > bloody answers so all he has to do is copy them onto the > form. Do you think he has given the form to me? Nope, I'm > still waiting...going on six days now. > > I was given another questionaire from another housing > authority I applied at however, but when I scanned it, it > was unreadable. I don't know if it was mostly handwritten or > what. > > So I'm trying to take care of this issue, but if Kurzweil > won't read the dumb form to me, there's nothing I can do. > > Any suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Jennifer > > ________________________________________________________________ ___________________________________ > Shop my store for the latest and greatest in beauty and > wellness products! > www.youravon.com/jaberdeen > > Get paid to read email! > http://www.sendearnings.com/?r=ref1487633 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/william. odonnell1%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsorozco %40gmail.com From aphelps at BISM.org Thu Jul 29 00:02:46 2010 From: aphelps at BISM.org (Amy Phelps) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 20:02:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Walking Alone and Marching Together In-Reply-To: <0D48032FCBDE44D5B6B78F9B130EB14B@MIRANDA> References: <0D48032FCBDE44D5B6B78F9B130EB14B@MIRANDA> Message-ID: <144BBD32E57C5045B736FBC8D447D0EC02AEBEB0@blindmail.BISM.COM> http://www.nfb.org/nfb/WAMT.asp Thanks! Amy C. Phelps   Find out more about our summer program for blind and low vision high school students Independence 2010! "...given proper training and opportunity, the average blind person can do the average job in the average place of business and do it as well as his or her sighted neighbor..." Freedom for the Blind, James H. Omvig Confidentiality Note:  The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miranda brown Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 7:24 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: [nabs-l] Walking Alone and Marching Together Hi, I know this has been posted before but does anyone know where I can find the book Walking Alone and Marching together in a format that I can download to my victor reader stream? Thank you for your help in advance. Miranda _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aphelps%40bism.org From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca Thu Jul 29 01:35:11 2010 From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:35:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Math Majors Anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100728213511.08ne5g0ti8k44oww@webmail.utoronto.ca> I'm in a math-related field too (actuarial science) and would love to help in any way I can. Please pass along my e-mail. we can connect over skype as well if he wishes. the blind math mailing list is fabulous; definitely check that out too. hth, sarah Quoting Katie Wang : > Hi, Elizabeth, > Yes, the math list is definitely a great resource. In addition, I > was a statistics major in undergrad and had to take quite a few > math-related courses, so I would be happy to talk to your friend if he > has any specific questions. I will not be at convention but feel free > to pass my email address along. > Katie > > On 6/29/10, Elizabeth wrote: >> >> Thanks for the idea. I did not check to see if there was a math email list, >> so thanks for pointing that out to me. I will be sure to pass this >> information on to him. >> >> >> >> Elizabeth >> >> >> >> >>> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 22:40:15 -0500 >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> From: dandrews at visi.com >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Math Majors Anyone? >>> >>> One good source of information is the "blind math" list we host. To >>> join go to: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org >>> >>> At 07:41 PM 6/28/2010, you wrote: >>> >>> >Hello List, >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >I know that national convention is shortly upon us, but I am sending >>> >out this message while I happen to be thinking about it. I met >>> >someone who will be starting college this fall while attending a >>> >college policy meeting last week. He has an interest in majoring in >>> >math or some other related field, and would like to speak with other >>> >more experienced students to serve as a mentor. >>> > >>> >>> David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com >>> Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with >> Hotmail. >> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sarah.jevnikar%40utoronto.ca > From freespirit328 at gmail.com Thu Jul 29 01:34:55 2010 From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:34:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Update Re: Issues with Kurzweil and applying for housing References: <496663.2581.qm@web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <235E9385A26049639C965FC52722996D@Rufus> Message-ID: Just wanted to give you an update on the paperwork for housing. I finally got it. I was thinking it must be really complicated if my folks are wining so much, but when I scanned it and read it, I was laughing so hard...it was ridiculous. There were ten yes or no questions and a space at the end for comments. So I opened a word document and typed the answers plus wrote in a comment. Then I printed it out and gave it back to my Dad. I told him I wanted it back by Friday so I can drop it off. I don't trust them with mailing it back to housing authority. Jen ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ Shop my store for the latest and greatest in beauty and wellness products! www.youravon.com/jaberdeen Get paid to read email! http://www.sendearnings.com/?r=ref1487633 From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com Thu Jul 29 01:47:35 2010 From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Update Re: Issues with Kurzweil and applying for housing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <537044.37798.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Insure that the housing othority will except the answers printed out and not on the orriginal sheets that they provided. --- On Wed, 7/28/10, Jennifer Aberdeen wrote: > From: Jennifer Aberdeen > Subject: [nabs-l] Update Re: Issues with Kurzweil and applying for housing > To: jsorozco at gmail.com, "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date: Wednesday, July 28, 2010, 9:34 PM > Just wanted to give you an update on > the paperwork for housing. I finally got it. > > I was thinking it must be really complicated if my folks > are wining so much, but when I scanned it and read it, I was > laughing so hard...it was ridiculous. There were ten yes or > no questions and a space at the end for comments. So I > opened a word document and typed the answers plus wrote in a > comment. Then I printed it out and gave it back to my Dad. I > told him I wanted it back by Friday so I can drop it off. I > don't trust them with mailing it back to housing authority. > > Jen > ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ > Shop my store for the latest and greatest in beauty and > wellness products! > www.youravon.com/jaberdeen > > Get paid to read email! > http://www.sendearnings.com/?r=ref1487633 > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/william.odonnell1%40yahoo.com > From freespirit328 at gmail.com Thu Jul 29 02:04:39 2010 From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:04:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Update Re: Issues with Kurzweil and applying forhousing References: <537044.37798.qm@web30907.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <561D991D27D04590B38043D222EBECD9@Gateway> Oh, he'll copy them onto the form. It needs a signiture too. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ Shop my store for the latest and greatest in beauty and wellness products! www.youravon.com/jaberdeen Get paid to read email! http://www.sendearnings.com/?r=ref1487633 From ccook01 at knology.net Thu Jul 29 03:50:25 2010 From: ccook01 at knology.net (Corey Cook) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:50:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] access to gmail In-Reply-To: References: <0CD4C44ED9E8456E91E3990AB9D64BB6@Ashley> Message-ID: I also want to point out that you can have your gmail come to your outlook inbox if you have ms outlook. Corey Cook Email ccook01 at knology.net Facebook ccook01 at knology.net Skype coreym821 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brice Smith Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 3:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] access to gmail Set your Gmail default view to the basic html version. You can also access the html site at mail.google.com/mail/h. Brice On 7/28/10, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Hi all, > Is there a way to make gmail accessible to jaws 11? I am hoping to use > GMAIL for another email account but run into access issues clicking on > messages to read them with jaws. It reads me the message sender and subject > line but I can't get to the message. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brice.smith319%40gma il.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ccook01%40knology.ne t From minesm at me.com Thu Jul 29 05:05:05 2010 From: minesm at me.com (Maurice Mines) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:05:05 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Update Re: Issues with Kurzweil and applying for housing In-Reply-To: References: <496663.2581.qm@web30905.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <235E9385A26049639C965FC52722996D@Rufus> Message-ID: <5598274F-AFBC-4BC9-A040-1DB2B414B8E9@me.com> Well, did you keep a copy of your answers? Always hold on their documentation, a very good lesson to learn.. Have a good one. On Jul 28, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Jennifer Aberdeen wrote: > Just wanted to give you an update on the paperwork for housing. I finally got it. > > I was thinking it must be really complicated if my folks are wining so much, but when I scanned it and read it, I was laughing so hard...it was ridiculous. There were ten yes or no questions and a space at the end for comments. So I opened a word document and typed the answers plus wrote in a comment. Then I printed it out and gave it back to my Dad. I told him I wanted it back by Friday so I can drop it off. I don't trust them with mailing it back to housing authority. > > Jen > ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ > Shop my store for the latest and greatest in beauty and wellness products! > www.youravon.com/jaberdeen > > Get paid to read email! > http://www.sendearnings.com/?r=ref1487633 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minesm%40me.com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Thu Jul 29 11:07:22 2010 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 06:07:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] access to gmail In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I can't seem to solve their audio CAPTCHA, any hints on that? On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:03:57 -0400, Jewel S. wrote: >Instead of hitting the down arrow, when I hit shift + H to get to the >last sender (last heading), I then hit N for non-link text, and that >almost always sends me to the beginning of the e-mail, except when it >doesn't *grin* Usually, the only reason it wouldn't send me to the >beginning of the e-mail is if the beginning is a link or graphic, >which is not very common. >Also, because GMail uses conversational mode, it stacks the e-mails. >Thus, any e-mail that has the same subject will be placed with the >others of that subject. This took a bit of time for me to get used to, >but if you find the link "Expand All" within the conversation, it will >show all the e-mails in that conversation, and each sender's name will >be a heading. So, you can use shift + H to get to the last sender, >then repeat to get to the message before that, and so on until you get >to the Subject heading. >GMail has a large number of pages with information about using their >e-mail system with a screenreader on GMail Help: >Using GMail with a Screenreader >http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=90559 >Using the Basic HTML mode with a screenreader >http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=146375 >Among the browser-based email clients, I have found GMail to be the >most accessible, but not all features of Google are as accessible, >including Google Wave, which I don't think is usable by a >screenreader-user. >On 7/28/10, Justin Young wrote: >> Hi Ashley! >> I've used gmail for years. If you are a JAWS user when in your gmail >> account I would suggest go to list of links and hit "b" which will go >> to "Basic Html". to make it your default go to "set Basic html as >> default". As for headdings, when you open a message I would suggest >> hit "shift + h". the last headding will be your message. It won't go >> directly to your message, but you use down arrow and it will get to >> your message. >> Hope thiss helps! >> Justin >> >> On 7/28/10, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi, >>> Yes after some searching I found the HTML setting. IF I click to make it >>> default, does it save that setting and won't change to standard unless I >>> change it? Also, lots of links along the side of the page. What commands >>> are best to get to the text of the email? Would the heading command, H, >>> work? I don't know if there's always a heading at the top of a message. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> >-- >~Jewel >Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind! >Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From hope.paulos at gmail.com Thu Jul 29 12:17:19 2010 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:17:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Miller Analogy test Message-ID: <2E105109596C485F9BCED829CBD144CA@Espy> Hello all, I am going to be attending graduate school in the not-too-distant future. In order to do so, I will need to take either the GRE or the Miller Analogy Test. Since the MAT is shorter, I have chosen to take this one. Have any of you taken it? If so, if you could provide tips for finding accessible study materials, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Hope Paulos __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5323 (20100729) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From billreif at ameritech.net Thu Jul 29 12:36:47 2010 From: billreif at ameritech.net (Bill Reif) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 07:36:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] [il-talk] [Fwd: Input Sought On Forthcoming Accessibility Changes To Currency] Message-ID: <4C5175DF.6020908@ameritech.net> I normally don't forward Braille Forum articles to this list. However, I believe this one needs to be shared, as accessible money is coming and we may want some input as to how that gets implemented. Contrary to popular misconception, the NFB is not, and has not been, against currency modifications that make it more accessible to us. Our disagreements with the ACB have regarded only the means of getting there. (I personally would love for the Feds to buy us all K-NFB Readers for money identification through the only nationally-authorized dealer. ) I will post further if or when I determine the specific modifications the NFB may be proposing. Cordially, Bill -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Accessible Devices Input Sought On Forthcoming Accessibility Changes To Currency Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:03:22 -0500 From: Accessible Devices To: Accessible Devices List We believe this to be something many of you will want to take part in. Braille Forum, July 2010 On May 20, the Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) published a notice in the Federal Register outlining the recommendations they propose to make to the Secretary of the Treasury regarding how to provide people who are blind and visually impaired with meaningful access to U.S. currency. Before finalizing their recommendations, the BEP is seeking public comment on their proposals. Comments are due by August 18 and both individuals and organizations are encouraged to provide input. Below is a summary of the BEP proposal, and a list of some of the specific questions to which they are seeking answers. Space does not permit us to publish the entire notice here, but if you would like to read it in its entirety, visit http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2010/2010-12091.htm or contact the ACB national office for a copy in electronic format or on tape. BEP Recommendations I. Tactile Feature: BEP will develop and incorporate a raised tactile feature that will accommodate people who are blind and visually impaired. This feature will enable blind and visually impaired individuals to identify currency by touching the tactile feature. According to BEP, their study demonstrated that raised tactile features allow most blind and visually impaired individuals to denominate currency. Indeed, this kind of feature is used in some foreign currency, and the study's data indicated that this feature was more effective than virtually every other kind of accommodation tested, including different-sized notes. Additionally, a raised tactile feature would not cause a major disruption to the general population because the notes will not appear substantially different from their current form. BEP noted that the selection of the raised tactile feature will require additional targeted research, testing, and consideration of the public comments. Nonetheless, the significant benefits of notes with a tactile feature, including the excellent accuracy results the blind and visually impaired achieved with them, the ease of use evidenced both by the usability tests and applicable scientific research, and the relatively minimal impact on the general U.S. population, supports the inclusion of a raised tactile feature as a recommended accommodation despite its challenges. Based on experience, independent research, and the study, BEP believes it can develop a raised tactile feature that is durable and can be incorporated into its existing manufacturing systems at a reasonable cost, coincident with the introduction of the next design series of U.S. currency. BEP invites comment on its proposal to incorporate raised tactile features in the next redesign of its currency. II. Large, High-Contrast Numerals: BEP began incorporating large, high-contrast numerals into Federal Reserve notes beginning with the Series 1996 design $50 note in October 1997. In March 2008, BEP increased the size of the large high-contrast numeral with the introduction of the Series 2006 $5 note. The feedback received from visually impaired individuals has been positive. This feature will be continued in the new-design $100 note, which is the last in the Series 2004 family of designs. Because BEP has experience printing this feature and the visually impaired community has provided positive feedback on it, BEP proposes to continue using this feature in the next design for U.S. currency. BEP is aware, however, that there may be a number of options concerning the size, color, placement, background contrast and other features for these large numerals that may improve accessibility of currency for people with low vision. BEP invites comment from the public, including people with low vision, about the best choices for the proposed large, high-contrast numerals. III. Supplemental Currency Reader Program: BEP will establish a supplemental currency reader distribution program. The purpose of the program is to provide blind and visually impaired people a means that can be used independently to correctly identify the denomination of U.S. currency. In compliance with legal requirements, BEP will loan a currency reader device to all blind and visually impaired U.S. citizens and legal residents who wish to avail themselves of this program. The individual may borrow the reader for as long as the individual desires the assistance of the reader. Before a reader is distributed, BEP first will verify that the requestor is eligible. Under the reader program, individuals who are United States citizens or people legally residing in the United States who are blind or visually impaired and who need a reader to accurately identify the denomination of U.S. currency will be able to obtain a reader at no cost to the individual. BEP will define blind or visually impaired under the same definition as the study, with the following change to the study's definition of visual impairment: The reader program will not extend to visually impaired individuals whose impairment is corrected with ordinary eyeglasses or contact lenses. BEP is considering the scope of an appropriate verification framework to determine eligibility to receive a reader. Specifically, it is considering a framework inspired by the eligibility requirements that the Library of Congress uses when loaning library materials to blind and other disabled persons as set forth in 36 CFR 701.6. Under that framework, applicants may submit verification of their eligibility from a "competent authority." BEP would define a "competent authority" as one of the following: doctors of medicine, doctors of osteopathy, doctors of optometry, registered nurses, and licensed practical nurses. Alternatively, if a person who is blind or visually impaired has verification of visual impairment from another federal agency, including the Social Security Administration, the Library of Congress, or a state or local agency, that person need only submit a copy of that verification. BEP is inviting comments on whether this verification system is appropriate, or whether other frameworks would be more appropriate. Parents or legal guardians of a blind or visually impaired child under 18, and caregivers, legal guardians, or those with power of attorney for a U.S. citizen or someone legally residing in the U.S. may act as a proxy on behalf of the blind or visually impaired child or represented individual and request a currency reader. BEP will require verification for the child or represented individual. BEP will solicit and award a single, long-term contract to implement the currency reader program. The contractor will be designated as the Currency Reader Program Coordinator (CRPC). Once the program is operational, a potentially eligible person may request a currency reader by contacting the CRPC and completing and submitting a request form. Depending on the verification framework adopted, upon verification of eligibility, the person will be provided a reader. BEP is seeking answers to the following questions. 1. What would be the ideal placement of the raised tactile feature? In what kind of pattern or patterns should the raised tactile feature be arranged? 2. How should the large, high-contrast numerals be incorporated? In other words, what colors should BEP use, what is the optimal size of the numerals, and where should the numerals be placed on the note? 3. What background colors would provide the highest color contrast for people who are visually impaired? 4. What technological solutions should BEP explore to help people who are blind and visually impaired denominate currency? 5. What is the nature of the burden, if any, on the general public of including a raised tactile feature on U.S. currency? 6. If there are any burdens imposed on the public by a raised tactile feature on currency, how can such burdens be minimized? 7. What is the nature of the burden, if any, on industry and business of including a raised tactile feature on U.S. currency? 8. If there are such burdens, how can they be minimized? 9. Does the supplemental currency reader program impose a burden on the blind and visually impaired? 10. If so, what are those burdens, and how can they be minimized? 11. Does a verification process of the currency reader program inspired by the Library of Congress process impose too a great a burden on the blind and visually impaired? 12. If so, what are those burdens, and how can they be minimized? 13. Alternatively, if a person who is blind or visually impaired has verification of visual impairment from another federal agency (such as the Social Security Administration or Library of Congress), or a state or local agency, should BEP allow that person to submit a copy of that verification in order to satisfy a proof of visual impairment requirement in order to obtain a currency reader? If so, what burdens might this impose, and how can those burdens be minimized? 14. Should BEP consider working with local governments and/or state agencies to deliver the currency readers? 15. Should BEP consider additional or different criteria when determining eligibility for the currency reader program? 16. What administrative and/or operational challenges does the currency reader program create? ACB will be filing comments, so readers should feel free to give us your input on these issues. For further information about how to file comments, or for a copy of the full proposal, contact Barbara LeMoine in the national office either by phone, (202) 467-5081, or by e-mail, blemoine at acb.org _______________________________________________ il-talk mailing list il-talk at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/il-talk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for il-talk: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/il-talk_nfbnet.org/gymnastdave%40sbcglobal.net From ignasicambra at gmail.com Thu Jul 29 13:37:42 2010 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 09:37:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] access to gmail In-Reply-To: <453D51A894F34E94974BCBD7BAF8CF23@Ashley> References: <0CD4C44ED9E8456E91E3990AB9D64BB6@Ashley> <453D51A894F34E94974BCBD7BAF8CF23@Ashley> Message-ID: The gmail site is actually full of headings, but yes, navigating through them should eventually take you pretty close to the message body. I generally use Imap for my gmail account though. I find it more efficient than using the web interface, and I can do exactly the same things. On Jul 28, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi, > Yes after some searching I found the HTML setting. IF I click to make it default, does it save that setting and won't change to standard unless I change it? Also, lots of links along the side of the page. What commands are best to get to the text of the email? Would the heading command, H, work? I don't know if there's always a heading at the top of a message. > > Thanks. > Ashley > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From l.sterling0 at gmail.com Thu Jul 29 14:18:45 2010 From: l.sterling0 at gmail.com (lsterling0) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 09:18:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] access to gmail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005701cb2f28$f4f81f10$dee85d30$@com> I use firefox and webvisum for the times I need to get past these pesky things. Hth Lou Owner of vipspouses a list for visually impaired and blind individuals to discuss frustrations in their lives. for an invertation To join contact lsterling0 at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:07 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] access to gmail I can't seem to solve their audio CAPTCHA, any hints on that? On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:03:57 -0400, Jewel S. wrote: >Instead of hitting the down arrow, when I hit shift + H to get to the >last sender (last heading), I then hit N for non-link text, and that >almost always sends me to the beginning of the e-mail, except when it >doesn't *grin* Usually, the only reason it wouldn't send me to the >beginning of the e-mail is if the beginning is a link or graphic, >which is not very common. >Also, because GMail uses conversational mode, it stacks the e-mails. >Thus, any e-mail that has the same subject will be placed with the >others of that subject. This took a bit of time for me to get used to, >but if you find the link "Expand All" within the conversation, it will >show all the e-mails in that conversation, and each sender's name will >be a heading. So, you can use shift + H to get to the last sender, >then repeat to get to the message before that, and so on until you get >to the Subject heading. >GMail has a large number of pages with information about using their >e-mail system with a screenreader on GMail Help: >Using GMail with a Screenreader >http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=90559 >Using the Basic HTML mode with a screenreader >http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=146375 >Among the browser-based email clients, I have found GMail to be the >most accessible, but not all features of Google are as accessible, >including Google Wave, which I don't think is usable by a >screenreader-user. >On 7/28/10, Justin Young wrote: >> Hi Ashley! >> I've used gmail for years. If you are a JAWS user when in your gmail >> account I would suggest go to list of links and hit "b" which will go >> to "Basic Html". to make it your default go to "set Basic html as >> default". As for headdings, when you open a message I would suggest >> hit "shift + h". the last headding will be your message. It won't go >> directly to your message, but you use down arrow and it will get to >> your message. >> Hope thiss helps! >> Justin >> >> On 7/28/10, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi, >>> Yes after some searching I found the HTML setting. IF I click to make it >>> default, does it save that setting and won't change to standard unless I >>> change it? Also, lots of links along the side of the page. What commands >>> are best to get to the text of the email? Would the heading command, H, >>> work? I don't know if there's always a heading at the top of a message. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmai l.com >> >-- >~Jewel >Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind! >Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40vi si.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/l.sterling0%40gmail. com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Thu Jul 29 15:21:40 2010 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:21:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] access to gmail In-Reply-To: <005701cb2f28$f4f81f10$dee85d30$@com> References: <005701cb2f28$f4f81f10$dee85d30$@com> Message-ID: <82E50D59-374A-4F84-8D0E-2FEAF0D6E7ED@gmail.com> Or you can also use www.solona.net. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 29, 2010, at 10:18 AM, lsterling0 wrote: > I use firefox and webvisum for the times I need to get past these pesky > things. > Hth > Lou > > Owner of vipspouses a list for visually impaired and blind individuals to > discuss frustrations in their lives. > for an invertation To join contact > lsterling0 at gmail.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Steve Jacobson > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:07 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] access to gmail > > I can't seem to solve their audio CAPTCHA, any hints on that? > > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:03:57 -0400, Jewel S. wrote: > >> Instead of hitting the down arrow, when I hit shift + H to get to the >> last sender (last heading), I then hit N for non-link text, and that >> almost always sends me to the beginning of the e-mail, except when it >> doesn't *grin* Usually, the only reason it wouldn't send me to the >> beginning of the e-mail is if the beginning is a link or graphic, >> which is not very common. > >> Also, because GMail uses conversational mode, it stacks the e-mails. >> Thus, any e-mail that has the same subject will be placed with the >> others of that subject. This took a bit of time for me to get used to, >> but if you find the link "Expand All" within the conversation, it will >> show all the e-mails in that conversation, and each sender's name will >> be a heading. So, you can use shift + H to get to the last sender, >> then repeat to get to the message before that, and so on until you get >> to the Subject heading. > >> GMail has a large number of pages with information about using their >> e-mail system with a screenreader on GMail Help: > >> Using GMail with a Screenreader >> http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=90559 > >> Using the Basic HTML mode with a screenreader >> http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=146375 > >> Among the browser-based email clients, I have found GMail to be the >> most accessible, but not all features of Google are as accessible, >> including Google Wave, which I don't think is usable by a >> screenreader-user. > >> On 7/28/10, Justin Young wrote: >>> Hi Ashley! >>> I've used gmail for years. If you are a JAWS user when in your gmail >>> account I would suggest go to list of links and hit "b" which will go >>> to "Basic Html". to make it your default go to "set Basic html as >>> default". As for headdings, when you open a message I would suggest >>> hit "shift + h". the last headding will be your message. It won't go >>> directly to your message, but you use down arrow and it will get to >>> your message. >>> Hope thiss helps! >>> Justin >>> >>> On 7/28/10, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> Yes after some searching I found the HTML setting. IF I click to make > it >>>> default, does it save that setting and won't change to standard unless I >>>> change it? Also, lots of links along the side of the page. What > commands >>>> are best to get to the text of the email? Would the heading command, H, >>>> work? I don't know if there's always a heading at the top of a message. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmai > l.com >>> > > >> -- >> ~Jewel >> Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind! >> Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40vi > si.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/l.sterling0%40gmail. > com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Thu Jul 29 15:27:46 2010 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:27:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] access to gmail In-Reply-To: <005701cb2f28$f4f81f10$dee85d30$@com> References: <005701cb2f28$f4f81f10$dee85d30$@com> Message-ID: If you can't figure out the audible capcha, you could send a screenshot of the visual captcha to Solona to be translated for you. They have a great Capcha translation volunteer-based program. To do this, go to Solona at: http://www.solona.net/ Sign up, then choose the Capcha service. It gives detailed descriptions on how to do a screenshot and send it to them. They can quickly get back to you with the Capcha. They recommend that if you do this, send them a screenshot of the Capcha before filling out the rest of the form, then fill out the form while you wait for the reply. Just a suggestion for those of us who don't like tha audio capchas on Google...I actually prefer Yahoo's *gasp* On 7/29/10, lsterling0 wrote: > I use firefox and webvisum for the times I need to get past these pesky > things. > Hth > Lou > > Owner of vipspouses a list for visually impaired and blind individuals to > discuss frustrations in their lives. > for an invertation To join contact > lsterling0 at gmail.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Steve Jacobson > Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:07 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] access to gmail > > I can't seem to solve their audio CAPTCHA, any hints on that? > > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:03:57 -0400, Jewel S. wrote: > >>Instead of hitting the down arrow, when I hit shift + H to get to the >>last sender (last heading), I then hit N for non-link text, and that >>almost always sends me to the beginning of the e-mail, except when it >>doesn't *grin* Usually, the only reason it wouldn't send me to the >>beginning of the e-mail is if the beginning is a link or graphic, >>which is not very common. > >>Also, because GMail uses conversational mode, it stacks the e-mails. >>Thus, any e-mail that has the same subject will be placed with the >>others of that subject. This took a bit of time for me to get used to, >>but if you find the link "Expand All" within the conversation, it will >>show all the e-mails in that conversation, and each sender's name will >>be a heading. So, you can use shift + H to get to the last sender, >>then repeat to get to the message before that, and so on until you get >>to the Subject heading. > >>GMail has a large number of pages with information about using their >>e-mail system with a screenreader on GMail Help: > >>Using GMail with a Screenreader >>http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=90559 > >>Using the Basic HTML mode with a screenreader >>http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=146375 > >>Among the browser-based email clients, I have found GMail to be the >>most accessible, but not all features of Google are as accessible, >>including Google Wave, which I don't think is usable by a >>screenreader-user. > >>On 7/28/10, Justin Young wrote: >>> Hi Ashley! >>> I've used gmail for years. If you are a JAWS user when in your gmail >>> account I would suggest go to list of links and hit "b" which will go >>> to "Basic Html". to make it your default go to "set Basic html as >>> default". As for headdings, when you open a message I would suggest >>> hit "shift + h". the last headding will be your message. It won't go >>> directly to your message, but you use down arrow and it will get to >>> your message. >>> Hope thiss helps! >>> Justin >>> >>> On 7/28/10, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> Yes after some searching I found the HTML setting. IF I click to make > it >>>> default, does it save that setting and won't change to standard unless I >>>> change it? Also, lots of links along the side of the page. What > commands >>>> are best to get to the text of the email? Would the heading command, H, >>>> work? I don't know if there's always a heading at the top of a message. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmai > l.com >>> > > >>-- >>~Jewel >>Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind! >>Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40vi > si.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/l.sterling0%40gmail. > com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > -- ~Jewel Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind! Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com From dandrews at visi.com Thu Jul 29 17:28:51 2010 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:28:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: National Federation of the Blind Commends Amazon on Unveiling of New Accessible Kindle Message-ID: >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > >CONTACT: > >Chris Danielsen > >Director of Public Relations > >National Federation of the Blind > >(410) 659-9314, extension 2330 > >(410) 262-1281 (Cell) > >cdanielsen at nfb.org > > > >National Federation of the Blind Commends Amazon > on Unveiling of New Accessible Kindle > > > >Baltimore, Maryland (July 29, 2010): The National Federation of the >Blind (NFB) today commended Amazon on the unveiling of a new, >accessible Kindle. Amazon announced Wednesday that the new Kindle >will come equipped with a voice guide that reads all menu options >aloud so blind and other print-disabled people can navigate the device menus. > > > >Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, >said: "We commend Amazon on the unveiling of a new Kindle that blind >and print-disabled people can use. In order to compete in today's >digital society, blind and print-disabled people must be able to >access the same reading technologies as the sighted. The National >Federation of the Blind has long been urging Amazon to make its >reading device accessible, and we are pleased that our efforts have >come to fruition." > > > >In June 2009 the National Federation of the Blind and the American >Council of the Blind (ACB) filed suit against Arizona State >University (ASU) to prevent the university from deploying Amazon's >Kindle DX electronic reading device as a means of distributing >electronic textbooks to its students because the device cannot be >used by blind students. The Kindle DX featured text-to-speech >technology that can read textbooks aloud to blind students. The >menus of the device were not accessible to the blind, however, >making it impossible for a blind user to purchase books from >Amazon's Kindle store, select a book to read, activate the >text-to-speech feature, and use the advanced reading functions >available on the Kindle DX. > > > >For more information on the National Federation of the Blind, please >visit www.nfb.org. > > > > > >### > > > >About the National Federation of the Blind > >With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind >is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind >people in the United States. The NFB improves blind people's lives >through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs >encouraging independence and self-confidence. It is the leading >force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's >blind. In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of >the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center >in the United States for the blind led by the blind. David Andrews and long white cane Harry, dandrews at visi.com Follow me on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920 From nabs.president at gmail.com Thu Jul 29 22:31:58 2010 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:31:58 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Brown, Goldstein & Levy 2011 Disability Rights Fellowship Message-ID: I have been asked to post the following announcement: In September 2009, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP welcomed its first disability rights fellow. We are now accepting applications for our third annual Disability Rights Fellowship to begin in September 2011. The Fellowship offers a recent law school graduate or judicial clerk with a disability the opportunity to participate for a year in all phases of disability rights litigation at our firm in Baltimore, Maryland. Brown, Goldstein & Levy is a 14-lawyer law firm devoted principally to litigation. The firm has developed a national reputation for its high-profile, high-impact disability rights cases. The one-year fellowship will begin in September 2011. The application deadline is November 15, 2010. Please visit our website for additional details about the fellowship and the firm and to download an application: www.browngold.com. [End Announcement] Mehgan Sidhu Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP 120 East Baltimore Street, Suite 1700 Baltimore, Maryland 21202 410-962-1030 x1324 410-385-0869 (fax) ms at browngold.com www.browngold.com Celebrating our 25th Anniversary 1984 – 2009 Please consider the environment before printing this email. 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Thank you! -- Arielle Silverman President, National Association of Blind Students Phone: 602-502-2255 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Website: www.nabslink.org From ms at browngold.com Fri Jul 30 02:49:13 2010 From: ms at browngold.com (Mehgan Sidhu) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:49:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Brown, Goldstein & Levy 2011 Disability Rights Fellowship Message-ID: Dear Listserv Members, I hope those of you who are recent graduates (0 to 3 years out of law school) will consider applying to Brown, Goldstein and Levy's 3rd annual disability rights fellowship, to begin in fall 2011. It is a wonderful opportunity and a great place to work! Please see the announcement below for details. In September 2009, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP welcomed its first disability rights fellow. We are now accepting applications for our third annual Disability Rights Fellowship to begin in September 2011. The Fellowship offers a recent law school graduate or judicial clerk with a disability the opportunity to participate for a year in all phases of disability rights litigation at our firm in Baltimore, Maryland. Brown, Goldstein & Levy is a 14-lawyer law firm devoted principally to litigation. The firm has developed a national reputation for its high-profile, high-impact disability rights cases. The one-year fellowship will begin in September 2011. The application deadline is November 15, 2010. Please visit our website for additional details about the fellowship and the firm and to download an application: www.browngold.com. Mehgan Sidhu Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP 120 East Baltimore Street, Suite 1700 Baltimore, Maryland 21202 410-962-1030 x1324 410-385-0869 (fax) ms at browngold.com www.browngold.com Celebrating our 25th Anniversary 1984 - 2009 Please consider the environment before printing this email. Confidentiality Notice This e-mail may contain confidential information that may also be legally privileged and that is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient or an authorized agent of the recipient, please be advised that any dissemination or copying of this e-mail, or taking of any action in reliance on the information contained herein, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me immediately by use of the reply button, and then delete the e-mail from your system. Thank you! From jackson.dezman at gmail.com Fri Jul 30 04:50:22 2010 From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 23:50:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] navigating parking lots/open spaces and other travelquestions References: Message-ID: Kerri, A lot of good info on this topic from the list. As for locating things in wide open spaces such as parking lots, it might also be helpful to use the echo feedback you get from tapping your cane. For instance, as I'm walking in the general direction of where I know the dumpster is in my complex, I'll stop every so often and tap my cane against the pavement and if I receive a echo bouncing back off of something that I may be looking for in that direction,, I follow the echo as I cue in more on the object. This also works quite nicely for walking through large parking lots to locate buildings. Since building entrances typically face a street, put your back to traffic and walk away from it using techniques such as the echo feedback which I just described, shopping carts in the case of stores, doors opening closing, etc, to manage in these situations. I might also add that canes with metal tips such as the NFB carbon fiber or fiberglass canes work best for getting the feedback you need from the environment. Hope the helps, Dezman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerri Kosten" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: [nabs-l] navigating parking lots/open spaces and other travelquestions > Hi All! > > I hve a few more travel questions I wanted to ask. > > First, what is the best way to navigate parking lots and those > driveways in the parking lots you sometimes have to cross? Cars can > come in and out of them and there is no landmarks or anything...it's > just one big open space. > > The reason I am asking is because I live in a big apartment complex. > To take the trash out, you have to go all the way across the parking > lot. For the most part, the parking lot has a curb along it which I > can follow with my cane, but there are two places where the curb ends > and you have to cross this driveway/street like thing (I don't know > what it's exactly called.) Anyway, there are no landmarks and no > curb...you have to go straight across it and pick up the curb on the > other side. > > I've been told that cars can come in and out of the driveway things, > but I imagine it's not too busy. However, it terrifies me that a car > is going to come while I am crossing and hit me. Do I just make sure > to listen before crossing and try to cross as fast as I can? > > Also, veering is a huge problem for me. I know most blind people can > not walk in an exact straight line but what is the best way for me to > cross this driveway and stay as straight as possible so I can catch > the curb on the other side and not get myself lost? I've read that > keeping the cane centered like near the middle of the stomach, where > the belly button is helps. I've also read that walking fast and trying > to keep your feet straight helps. I was taught at convention how to > use the two-point touch technique with my palm up, moving only my > wrist. Is there anything else I can do? It scares me that I'm going to > get really lost when taking the trash out and end up getting in hthe > middle of the drive way thingy. > > Also, because I didn't know the hotel at convention, like everyone > else I got very used to getting lost and wandering around and asking > assistance to get where I wanted. It made me get over my fear of > getting lost in huge buildings. However, I am still very scared about > getting lost outdoors. What is the best way to deal with this? Is it > the same concept as getting lost inside a building...jjust walk > around, and ask assistance when you hear someone coming? I know this > will sound very irrational, but I guess in a building you only have so > much space, so many floors. Outside, you have the whole world...it > never ends...there is no limit! I hope that doesn't sound too dumb. > How did you get over fears of getting lost outdoors? > > I really want to try taking my own trash out independently but I am > terrified of veering when crossing that driveway thing, getting hit > while crossing, or getting really lost and not being able to find the > building my apartment is in. There are like 10 different buildings, > and they are building more! There is a pool on one side of the parking > lot, the trash thing, and a clubhouse...and you have to cross the > parking lot to get to all of them...so it's a huge open area with the > various apartment buildings spread out all over. > > I could have an orientation and mobility instructor come and help me, > but there aren't any good ones here and I hate route travel...I know I > can do this myself if I can get over these silly fears! > > And, finally...when you are using your cane and you are in a hallway > looking for a certain door or just going along a hallway where there > is a wall on either side with doors along it...do you still use the > two-point touch technique or do you switch to more of a constant > contact technique where you slide the cane from side to side? > > Thanks so much and hope these questions don't sound too dumb. > > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jackson.dezman%40gmail.com > From serenacucco at verizon.net Fri Jul 30 15:21:32 2010 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:21:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote question Message-ID: <0132024293AD4E2282517A602F61EA95@Serene> Hi Nabsters, I have a BrailleNote classic that's really old, so my state Commission is getting me a new one. I was told I won't get the new one before the start of graduate school, so The College of NJ is loaning me a BN to use in the intirum. I don't know the model of the loaner BN yet. If the loaner BN is a Classic, is it really necessary to transfer my files on to my computer? Or can I simply put them on my compact flash card and then transfer them into the loaner BN? Another possible senario: If the loaner BN is an Empower, is the answer to my question different? I.E. Can I use a compact flash card with an Empower? I know Empowers have a USB port. Thanks, Serena From rjaquiss at earthlink.net Fri Jul 30 15:38:38 2010 From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (Robert Jaquiss) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:38:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote question References: <0132024293AD4E2282517A602F61EA95@Serene> Message-ID: Hello Serena: I suggest putting your files on a flash card, and backing them up on your computer as well. The Mpower does have a flash card slot. Regards, Robert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Serena" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:21 AM Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote question > Hi Nabsters, > > I have a BrailleNote classic that's really old, so my state Commission is > getting me a new one. I was told I won't get the new one before the start > of graduate school, so The College of NJ is loaning me a BN to use in the > intirum. I don't know the model of the loaner BN yet. If the loaner BN > is a Classic, is it really necessary to transfer my files on to my > computer? Or can I simply put them on my compact flash card and then > transfer them into the loaner BN? Another possible senario: If the loaner > BN is an Empower, is the answer to my question different? I.E. Can I use > a compact flash card with an Empower? I know Empowers have a USB port. > > Thanks, > Serena > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rjaquiss%40earthlink.net From blind.biker94 at gmail.com Fri Jul 30 23:42:53 2010 From: blind.biker94 at gmail.com (Zach--the blind bike rider) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:42:53 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote question In-Reply-To: <0132024293AD4E2282517A602F61EA95@Serene> References: <0132024293AD4E2282517A602F61EA95@Serene> Message-ID: the mpower has a cf card slot, however their newest model--the apex--does not. for more questions subscribe to their mailing list as http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote_list.humanware.com Zach Dreicer Phone: +1 505 750 8483 Skype: chickerland google talk ID/Facebook: blind.biker94 at gmail.com My Telespace: +1 575 802 8600 ext. 8495 Are you a blind student in any level of education? If so, please join me on the blind-education list! To join: point your browser to: Http://freelists.org/list/blind-education are you interested in electronics? Then send a message to electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com with subscribe in the subject. NOTICE this message may contain confidential information. Such information is only revealed to the person to whom this communication is directed. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Serena" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 9:21 AM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote question > Hi Nabsters, > > I have a BrailleNote classic that's really old, so my state Commission is > getting me a new one. I was told I won't get the new one before the start > of graduate school, so The College of NJ is loaning me a BN to use in the > intirum. I don't know the model of the loaner BN yet. If the loaner BN > is a Classic, is it really necessary to transfer my files on to my > computer? Or can I simply put them on my compact flash card and then > transfer them into the loaner BN? Another possible senario: If the loaner > BN is an Empower, is the answer to my question different? I.E. Can I use > a compact flash card with an Empower? I know Empowers have a USB port. > > Thanks, > Serena > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blind.biker94%40gmail.com From blind.biker94 at gmail.com Sat Jul 31 00:07:49 2010 From: blind.biker94 at gmail.com (Zach--the blind bike rider) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:07:49 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] access to gmail In-Reply-To: <0CD4C44ED9E8456E91E3990AB9D64BB6@Ashley> References: <0CD4C44ED9E8456E91E3990AB9D64BB6@Ashley> Message-ID: <708166DE343E42E183E1DEC3820E5F96@zachPC> hi Ashley, have you tried using outlook express? Zach Dreicer Phone: +1 505 750 8483 Skype: chickerland google talk ID/Facebook: blind.biker94 at gmail.com My Telespace: +1 575 802 8600 ext. 8495 Are you a blind student in any level of education? If so, please join me on the blind-education list! To join: point your browser to: Http://freelists.org/list/blind-education are you interested in electronics? Then send a message to electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com with subscribe in the subject. NOTICE this message may contain confidential information. Such information is only revealed to the person to whom this communication is directed. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message. -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 1:47 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: [nabs-l] access to gmail > Hi all, > Is there a way to make gmail accessible to jaws 11? I am hoping to use > GMAIL for another email account but run into access issues clicking on > messages to read them with jaws. It reads me the message sender and > subject line but I can't get to the message. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blind.biker94%40gmail.com From serenacucco at verizon.net Sat Jul 31 00:41:37 2010 From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:41:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote question References: <0132024293AD4E2282517A602F61EA95@Serene> Message-ID: <7C65C7344461486BB3F5857085084FF8@Serene> Hi Zach and Robert, Thank you both for your help. I successfully transferred all my files from my old BN to the loaner BN. Serena ----- Original Message ----- From: ""Zach--the blind bike rider"" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BrailleNote question > the mpower has a cf card slot, however their newest model--the apex--does > not. for more questions subscribe to their mailing list as > http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote_list.humanware.com > Zach Dreicer > Phone: +1 505 750 8483 > Skype: chickerland > google talk ID/Facebook: blind.biker94 at gmail.com > My Telespace: +1 575 802 8600 ext. 8495 > Are you a blind student in any level of education? If so, please join me > on the blind-education list! To join: point your browser to: > Http://freelists.org/list/blind-education > > are you interested in electronics? Then send a message to > electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com > with subscribe in the subject. > NOTICE > this message may contain confidential information. Such information is > only revealed to the person to whom this communication is directed. If you > have received this message in error, please contact the sender and destroy > all copies of this message. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Serena" > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 9:21 AM > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote question > >> Hi Nabsters, >> >> I have a BrailleNote classic that's really old, so my state Commission is >> getting me a new one. I was told I won't get the new one before the >> start of graduate school, so The College of NJ is loaning me a BN to use >> in the intirum. I don't know the model of the loaner BN yet. If the >> loaner BN is a Classic, is it really necessary to transfer my files on to >> my computer? Or can I simply put them on my compact flash card and then >> transfer them into the loaner BN? Another possible senario: If the >> loaner BN is an Empower, is the answer to my question different? I.E. >> Can I use a compact flash card with an Empower? I know Empowers have a >> USB port. >> >> Thanks, >> Serena >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blind.biker94%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sat Jul 31 13:58:40 2010 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 06:58:40 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] The National Association of Blind Students Presents: Meet your nabs committees. Message-ID: Happy Summer Fellow Students! We hope that wherever your travels took / are taking you enable you to gain enjoyment and excitement. For all of you that were able to join us in Dallas, thank you for sharing in another great convention. For those who were there in spirit; thank you for doing just that and we are excited to get to see you in Orlando next year! But, enough about the past and the future; we’re here now in the present, and as you all know, there’s a lot of work and exciting things to get done! With that, your nabs board is getting ready for another great year working with and serving you. As you probably know by now, the national Association of Blind Students operates year-round via its board of directors; many of us co-chair committees that are vital to the success of the division. On Sunday, August 8 at 7 p.m. eastern time We will be holding a conference call that we would like to invite all of you, our fellow students, to attend. On this call, we will introduce the various committees we have, what these committees do, and the board members who chair them. It is at this call where we are looking for any of you who have a wit for websites, feel for fundraising, eye for editing and writing or a mind for membership building who might have that itch to join a committee. Maybe you have an idea for a committee? Bring that too! We would appreciate your attendance, encourage your sharing of suggestions and ideas, but more than that, welcome your participation in all of our committees! So, come and join us, work with us, let us get to know each other and how we can change what it means to be a blind student together! Information: What: Getting to know the Nabs Committees When: Sunday, August 8. 7 p.m. EST. How: Call-in at 712.775.7100 (pass code 257963) Or listen via www.nabslinkaudio.org Thank you and we look forward to getting to know and work with you all. With warm regards, The committees of the national association of blind students -- Darian Smith Skype: The_Blind_Truth Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/goldengateace “We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin From blind.biker94 at gmail.com Sat Jul 31 14:09:15 2010 From: blind.biker94 at gmail.com (Zach--the blind bike rider) Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 08:09:15 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote question In-Reply-To: <7C65C7344461486BB3F5857085084FF8@Serene> References: <0132024293AD4E2282517A602F61EA95@Serene> <7C65C7344461486BB3F5857085084FF8@Serene> Message-ID: no problem! You have the link too if you need it. Zach Dreicer Phone: +1 505 750 8483 Skype: chickerland google talk ID/Facebook: blind.biker94 at gmail.com My Telespace: +1 575 802 8600 ext. 8495 Are you a blind student in any level of education? If so, please join me on the blind-education list! To join: point your browser to: Http://freelists.org/list/blind-education are you interested in electronics? Then send a message to electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com with subscribe in the subject. NOTICE this message may contain confidential information. Such information is only revealed to the person to whom this communication is directed. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Serena" Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 6:41 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BrailleNote question > Hi Zach and Robert, > > Thank you both for your help. I successfully transferred all my files > from my old BN to the loaner BN. > > Serena > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ""Zach--the blind bike rider"" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 7:42 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BrailleNote question > > >> the mpower has a cf card slot, however their newest model--the apex--does >> not. for more questions subscribe to their mailing list as >> http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote_list.humanware.com >> Zach Dreicer >> Phone: +1 505 750 8483 >> Skype: chickerland >> google talk ID/Facebook: blind.biker94 at gmail.com >> My Telespace: +1 575 802 8600 ext. 8495 >> Are you a blind student in any level of education? If so, please join me >> on the blind-education list! To join: point your browser to: >> Http://freelists.org/list/blind-education >> >> are you interested in electronics? Then send a message to >> electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com >> with subscribe in the subject. >> NOTICE >> this message may contain confidential information. Such information is >> only revealed to the person to whom this communication is directed. If >> you have received this message in error, please contact the sender and >> destroy all copies of this message. >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Serena" >> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 9:21 AM >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote question >> >>> Hi Nabsters, >>> >>> I have a BrailleNote classic that's really old, so my state Commission >>> is getting me a new one. I was told I won't get the new one before the >>> start of graduate school, so The College of NJ is loaning me a BN to use >>> in the intirum. I don't know the model of the loaner BN yet. If the >>> loaner BN is a Classic, is it really necessary to transfer my files on >>> to my computer? Or can I simply put them on my compact flash card and >>> then transfer them into the loaner BN? Another possible senario: If the >>> loaner BN is an Empower, is the answer to my question different? I.E. >>> Can I use a compact flash card with an Empower? I know Empowers have a >>> USB port. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Serena >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blind.biker94%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/serenacucco%40verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blind.biker94%40gmail.com