From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Jun  1 00:45:04 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 19:45:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] 2010 NFB convention agenda in DAISY format
Message-ID: <auto-000154486128@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>From: Greg Kearney <gkearney at gmail.com>
>Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 14:15:55 +0800
>To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books 
><dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>,  president at nfbutah.org, nfbnj
>  <nfbnj at comcast.net>
>Subject: [Dtb-talk] 2010 NFB convention agenda in DAISY format
>
>Once again we have undertaken to produce the NFB convention agenda 
>in DAISY format. The 2010 NFB convention agenda can be downloaded 
>from the following web page:
>
>www.guidedogswa.org
>
>The DAISY version features the following navigation features.
>
>Major sections are at the first navigation level.
>Days are at the second navigation level.
>Agenda items are at the third navigation level.
>
>See you all in Dallas.
>
>
>Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
>Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
>PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100
>Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
>Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
>Email: greg.kearney at guidedogswa.com.au
>Email: gkearney at gmail.com
>

                         David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
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From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Jun  1 00:57:46 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 19:57:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] F2010 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium
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>From: "Blake, Lou Ann" <LBlake at nfb.org>
>To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: [blindlaw] 2010 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium
>
>Dear Blindlaw list members:
>
>Links to recordings of the plenary sessions and keynote addresses from
>the 2010 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium are now available on
>the symposium Web page.  Go to http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Law_Symposium.asp
>to hear:
>
>Theme Keynote Address
>
>Tony Coelho, Chairman of the Board, American Association of People with
>Disabilities
>
>
>
>Panel I--Changing the Game
>
>Presenter: Richard Brown, Chief Judge, Wisconsin Court of Appeals
>
>Presenter: David Ferleger, Esquire, Law Office of David Ferleger
>
>
>
>2010 Keynote Address
>
>Thomas Perez, Assistant Attorney General, Civil Rights Division, United
>States Department of Justice
>
>
>
>Panel II--Education Plenary Session
>
>Presenter: Leslie Seid Margolis, Managing Attorney, Education Unit,
>Maryland Disability Law Center
>
>Presenter: Mark Weber, Vincent dePaul Professor of Law, DePaul
>University College of Law
>
>
>
>Panel III--Caucus/Open Discussion
>
>Facilitator: Andrew Imparato, President and CEO, American Association of
>People with Disabilities
>
>
>
>Panel IV--Access to Technology Plenary Session
>
>Presenter: Dan Goldstein, Partner, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
>
>Presenter: Mehgan Sidhu, Esquire, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
>
>
>
>Panel V--Medical Treatment/Ethics Plenary Session
>
>Presenter: Adrienne Asch, Director, Center for Ethics, Yeshiva
>University
>
>Presenter, Dan Brock, Director, Division of Medical Ethics, Harvard
>Medical School
>
>
>
>Lou Ann Blake, J.D.
>Law Symposium Coordinator
>Jacobus tenBroek Library
>Jernigan Institute
>NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
>200 East Wells Street
>     at Jernigan Place
>Baltimore, MD 21230
>Telephone: (410) 659-9314, ext. 2221
>Fax: (410) 659-5129
>E-mail: lblake at nfb.org <mailto:lblake at nfb.org>
>Web site: www.nfb.org <http://www.nfb.org/>
>

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From jty727 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  1 14:29:11 2010
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:29:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] disability law programs
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikTRvMVJ6KDLON9SWsQlVr4d78gizS3ha5Q8q9W@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikTRvMVJ6KDLON9SWsQlVr4d78gizS3ha5Q8q9W@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik8AZAYLtGqqQOiGC7w_DLRI-rmZDwqLrMpS7ym@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Katy!
I was the one asking about it and I greatly appreciate your help with this!
Justin

On 5/31/10, Katy Carroll <kc2992a at student.american.edu> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I remember someone not too far back asking which law schools have disability
> law programs. At the time, I only knew about Syracuse University and
> American University, but I recently found a directory of Disability Programs
> at law schools provided by the American Bar Association and thought I would
> share.
> The website is:
>
> http://new.abanet.org/disability/Pages/lawschools.aspx
>
> Enjoy!
>
> --
> Kathryn CARROLL
> BlueLaw International LLP
> 703-647-7508
> Cell: 631-521-3018
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From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun  1 16:26:25 2010
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Hai Nguyen)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:26:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Now reintroducing the Mobile Access Payment, MAP Program
Message-ID: <D1904043-0791-42E5-891C-18C8A514EA00@sbcglobal.net>



Tuesday, June 1, 2010
For Immediate Distribution

Sales contact:
Earle Harrison
651-636-5184
sales at handytech.us

 
Now reintroducing: Mobile Access Payment (MAP) Program

Handy Tech North America in partnership with Code Factory, are pleased to reintroduce a new financing option by which consumers may pay for any of the Code Factory products over a twelve month period, interest-free.

Are you tired of limited accessibility to mobile devices such as cell phones and PDA’s? Have you ever been in a situation where you could have greatly benefited from the use of an accessible GPS solution or Mobile screen reader, but couldn’t justify the purchase due to the up-front cost? If you’ve answered yes to any of these questions, you may be in a position to take advantage of HTNA’s Mobile Access Payment Program, MAP. Originally unveiled in April of 2009 as the first affordable means of obtaining access to mobile accessibility by allowing individuals to purchase mobile screen readers and GPS solutions through financing options. The MAP program was suspended for a short time due to a few individuals who elected to default on their financial commitment and limited recourse in HTNA’s efforts to collect on a debt. These few individuals really ruined the program for all of the honest people; however, now thanks to a new licensing system put into place by Code Factory, the opportunity is once again available.

The Mobile Access Payment (MAP) Program takes the sting out of your pocket book and in spite of a struggling global economy, makes this life changing technology attainable by people for whom the lump sum expenditure may be prohibitive.

United States residents may now purchase the award-winning Mobile Speak 4.0 mobile screen reader, Mobile Geo 2.5 GPS solution, as well as Mobile Speak Adventure and Mobile Speak Gold software bundle packages on the 12 month MAP payment program.

This program is currently only available for the United States residents purchasing their accessible solutions from Handy Tech North America, a company well known for their work in modifying mainstream off-the-shelf technology for use by people who are blind or have low vision and their high quality of service and support. Thanks to Code Factory’s talented software engineers, HTNA’s slogan "It’s all about adapting," now refers to purchasing options as well as products.

We're sorry; we are not able to offer hardware products such as mobile phones or GPS receivers on the MAP Program at this time. As always, your feedback is greatly appreciated.

For more information about the MAP program, visit the Handy Tech web site at: www.handytech.us.

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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Wed Jun  2 01:05:46 2010
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 19:05:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Hospitality Night at Convention!
Message-ID: <AANLkTilsVy1G27RZQm37sjjLaNJM9lz7h-_hhbHm0WUF@mail.gmail.com>

Dear students,

This year at the NFB national convention in Dallas, for the first
time, the National Association of Blind Students will be hosting a
hospitality night for students! Come to the Affiliate Action Suite
(room 2372 at the Hilton Anatole) on Saturday, July 3, between 8:00
p.m. and midnight for snacks, games, and informal mingling with other
blind high school, college, graduate and nontraditional students. Feel
free to drop in and out before or after the Rookie Roundup, karaoke,
or salsa dancing.

We weren't able to advertise this new NABS event in the main
convention agenda, so please help us spread the word about the NABS
hospitality night. Also, if you have ideas or suggestions for
activities, please pass them along by writing to me off-list at
nabs.president at gmail.com
I look forward to seeing many of you in Dallas!

-- 
Arielle Silverman
President, National Association of Blind Students
Phone:  602-502-2255
Email:
nabs.president at gmail.com
Website:
www.nabslink.org


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  2 05:10:01 2010
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 01:10:01 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] =?windows-1256?q?Means_Testing_for_College_Students=FE?=
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilsVy1G27RZQm37sjjLaNJM9lz7h-_hhbHm0WUF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilsVy1G27RZQm37sjjLaNJM9lz7h-_hhbHm0WUF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W5508544765604E19FD46D6BAD00@phx.gbl>


Hello List,
 
The Michigan Commission for the Blind is currently reviewing the policy they use to provide services to college students. After reviewing the proposed changes, it appears as though the biggest change they want to make to the policy is implementing a means test as a provision of services. Since I live in Michigan, I am not familiar with the various policies that are carried out in different states. Does anyone know if there are any state vocational rehabilitation programs that use means testing for college students, and if so, how means testing impacts the quality of services college students receive from their vocational rehabilitation agency? Additionally, does anyone know where I might be able to find more information about the use of means testing as a provision of services? 
 
One of the main arguments the agency is using to justify a means test is the fact that in most cases the income of the student’s parents is used to determine federal financial aid. They seem to believe that if the parents income is used to determine federal financial aid then the parents income should also be used to determine how much money the student can contribute to his or her vocational rehabilitation program. However, this does not seem right to me, as I believe the main purpose of the vocational rehabilitation program is to serve the individual, in this case the college student, and not necessarily the family as a whole. 
 
I also understand that the vocational rehabilitation agency cannot require individuals to use Social Security benefits to pay for services. Does anyone know if this applies to providing services to college students as well? The Michigan Commission for the Blind claims that by implementing a means test for college students that they are not violating this policy because the student can choose to pay for their portion of services any way they see fit. However, if the only means of income available to the student is through their Social Security benefits, then how else is the student expected to pay for their portion of services? 
 
Their answer to this argument is that if a student chooses to use their Social Security benefits to pay for their portion of services, then that is the students choice. But what they do not seem to understand is that in most cases the student does not have a choice when that is their only source of income. They also seem to believe that this burden should fall on the parents if the student cannot pay their portion of services. But this statement only leads me to believe that they are out of touch with the real world where many people in Michigan are struggling to keep their job, put food on the table, and make the mortgage payments on time if at all.
 
Any information you might be able to provide on this subject would be greatly appreciated. 
 
Thanks,
Elizabeth
 
 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
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From jty727 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  2 05:57:15 2010
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 01:57:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] =?utf-8?q?Means_Testing_for_College_Students=E2=80=8F?=
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W5508544765604E19FD46D6BAD00@phx.gbl>
References: <AANLkTilsVy1G27RZQm37sjjLaNJM9lz7h-_hhbHm0WUF@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL118-W5508544765604E19FD46D6BAD00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimvECds_rlmlLPArDzOGfHwVjcmf1xuR-NLUwJb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Elizabeth,
I live in Rochester, New York and my Vocational Rehab Counselor is out
of our Buffalo office because for the most part the Rochester Office
was closed down years ago.  In this office there currently is only one
main Vocational Counselor who I started with when I was about 15 and
had for a few months.  Finally when his response to every request
given was "no" my mom called and asked to be switched and its been
great ever since.  Now as far as your question, I've been receiving
services from our Comission for 2 years now and we don't have this
policy you speak of.  Everything is paid through the state up to a
certain amount.  For example, they only do $500 for books and supplies
and up to SState University of New York(SUNY) rates in terms of
tuition which is little under $2500 per semester(approximately $5,000
per year).  As their funding source the State gives them a certain
amount of money per year for Vocational Rehabilatational Services.
I hope this helps you,
Justin

On 6/2/10, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello List,
>
> The Michigan Commission for the Blind is currently reviewing the policy they
> use to provide services to college students. After reviewing the proposed
> changes, it appears as though the biggest change they want to make to the
> policy is implementing a means test as a provision of services. Since I live
> in Michigan, I am not familiar with the various policies that are carried
> out in different states. Does anyone know if there are any state vocational
> rehabilitation programs that use means testing for college students, and if
> so, how means testing impacts the quality of services college students
> receive from their vocational rehabilitation agency? Additionally, does
> anyone know where I might be able to find more information about the use of
> means testing as a provision of services?
>
> One of the main arguments the agency is using to justify a means test is the
> fact that in most cases the income of the student’s parents is used to
> determine federal financial aid. They seem to believe that if the parents
> income is used to determine federal financial aid then the parents income
> should also be used to determine how much money the student can contribute
> to his or her vocational rehabilitation program. However, this does not seem
> right to me, as I believe the main purpose of the vocational rehabilitation
> program is to serve the individual, in this case the college student, and
> not necessarily the family as a whole.
>
> I also understand that the vocational rehabilitation agency cannot require
> individuals to use Social Security benefits to pay for services. Does anyone
> know if this applies to providing services to college students as well? The
> Michigan Commission for the Blind claims that by implementing a means test
> for college students that they are not violating this policy because the
> student can choose to pay for their portion of services any way they see
> fit. However, if the only means of income available to the student is
> through their Social Security benefits, then how else is the student
> expected to pay for their portion of services?
>
> Their answer to this argument is that if a student chooses to use their
> Social Security benefits to pay for their portion of services, then that is
> the students choice. But what they do not seem to understand is that in most
> cases the student does not have a choice when that is their only source of
> income. They also seem to believe that this burden should fall on the
> parents if the student cannot pay their portion of services. But this
> statement only leads me to believe that they are out of touch with the real
> world where many people in Michigan are struggling to keep their job, put
> food on the table, and make the mortgage payments on time if at all.
>
> Any information you might be able to provide on this subject would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
>
>  		 	   		
> _________________________________________________________________
> The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with
> Hotmail.
> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5
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From jess28 at samobile.net  Wed Jun  2 12:22:45 2010
From: jess28 at samobile.net (Jessica)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 08:22:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] =?utf-8?q?Means_Testing_for_College_Students=E2=80=8F?=
Message-ID: <20100602122245.24175.62965@web2>

Elizabeth,
I have never had to pay anything for any of my vocational 
rehabilitation services and in over the 10 years I've been dealing with 
the state rehab agencies in three different states. First in Utah then 
in Vermont and right now in New York State. The flip side of that is I 
have a friend whom works at the state rehab center in Utah  did have to 
help pay for some of her education because she got some money from the 
death of her grandmother  I believe and plus both of her parents work 
or worked for the state Her mom worked or works at the State Tax 
Commission and Her father was or sitll is working for the University of 
Utah. In fact, the state didn't really have to put any money in to her 
when she attended the University of Utah because the fact that her 
father worked at the University she got a discount on tution and fees 
when she attended  the University.
Jessica

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From alexandera.castillo at gmail.com  Wed Jun  2 15:04:58 2010
From: alexandera.castillo at gmail.com (Alexander Castillo)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:04:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.59.1275411611.2059.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
References: <mailman.59.1275411611.2059.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinTZbAJpnD5RIJdTTGhby_HJGqRSGfn3MWKxVVh@mail.gmail.com>

Hi list, again I'm asking for books.... Does anyone have an electronic
copy of Susan Blackmore's Consciousness, and introduction (2004)? I'd
hate to spend my time scanning if the book is already out there. There
is an abreiviated copy on bookshare, but this won't do.

Thanks in advance,
Alex

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> Today's Topics:
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>    1. Cardtronics Settlement (David Andrews)
>    2. 2010 NFB Convention Agenda Now Available (David Andrews)
>    3. disability law programs (Katy Carroll)
>    4. 2010 NFB convention agenda in DAISY format (David Andrews)
>    5. F2010 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium (David Andrews)
>    6. Re: disability law programs (Justin Young)
>    7. Now reintroducing the Mobile Access Payment, MAP Program
>       (Hai Nguyen)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 17:42:14 -0500
> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Cardtronics Settlement
> Message-ID: <auto-000155943358 at mailfront1.g2host.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
> I have been asked to circulate the materials below.
>
> David Andrews
>
>
>
> The Proposed Remediation Plan provides as follows:
> (1)        All Cardtronics-owned ATMs in
> Massachusetts will be Voice-guided no later than June 30, 2010.
> (2)        By December 31, 2010, at least ninety
> percent (90%) of all transactions at covered ATMs
> occurring within the borders of Massachusetts
> will occur on ATMs that are Voice-guided.
> (3)        All Cardtronics-owned ATMs nationally
> will be Voice-guided no later than December 31,
> 2010, with the exception of Cardtronics-owned
> ATMs located in 7-Eleven stores  which will be
> Voice-guided no later than March 31, 2011.
> (4)        By March 31, 2011, at least ninety
> percent (90%) of all transactions at covered ATMs
> nationally will occur on ATMs that are Voice-guided.
> (5)        With the assistance of the NFB,
> Cardtronics has developed enhanced scripts for
> the great majority of the ATMs it owns.  With the
> exception of Cardtronics-owned ATMs located in
> 7-Eleven stores, on or before December 31, 2010
> Cardtronics will install enhanced scripts on all
> Cardtronics-owned ATMs, except where it is not
> technologically feasible to do so, in which
> cases, on or before December 31, 2010,
> Cardtronics shall either (i) replace such ATMs
> with ATMs on which an enhanced script can and
> will be installed, or (ii) remove such ATMs from
> the Cardtronics-owned fleet.  Cardtronics-owned
> ATMs located in 7-Eleven stores will be
> Voice-guided no later than March 31, 2011. Any
> script on any Cardtronics-owned ATM, including
> the enhanced scripts, shall meet the requirements
> set forth in the definition of ?Voice-guided? and
> ?Voice-Guidance? set forth in the Final Order[1]
> and as supplemented in paragraph 6 of this Order.
> (6)        With the exception of
> Cardtronics-owned ATMs located in 7-Eleven
> stores, by December 31, 2010, all
> Cardtronics-owned Voice-guided ATMs and those
> merchant-owned, Voice-guided ATMs that
> Cardtronics designates as making up a portion of
> the ninety percent (90%) transaction requirements
> of paragraphs 2 and 4 above, will have tactilely
> discernible controls, that is, operating
> mechanisms used in conjunction with speech output
> that can be located and operated by feel.  When a
> numeric keypad is part of the tactilely
> discernible controls, all function keys will be
> mapped to the numeric keypad and, except for
> those remaining Wincor ATMs installed in Target
> stores prior to June 2007, the numeric keypad
> will have an ?echo? effect such that the user?s
> numeric entries (other than the entry of a
> personal identification number) are repeated in
> voice form.  All tactilely discernible controls
> will otherwise comply with applicable
> regulations.  All Cardtronics-owned ATMs located
> in 7-Eleven stores will meet these requirements no later than March 31,
> 2011.
> (7)        With the exception of
> Cardtronics-owned ATMs located in 7-Eleven
> stores, by December 31, 2010, all
> Cardtronics-owned ATMs will have appropriate
> signage as identified in the Final Order Ex.
> 1.[2]  All Cardtronics-owned ATMs located in
> 7-Eleven stores will meet these requirements no
> later than March 31, 2011.  By December 31, 2010,
> Cardtronics will send such signage to each of its
> Merchant-owned customers that operate a
> Voice-guided ATM (with the exception of those
> customers for whom Cardtronics physically placed
> Braille signage on each of the customer?s
> Voice-guided ATMs after April 9, 2007) requesting
> that those customers install such signage on
> their Voice-guided ATMs.  Cardtronics will
> include a letter from the NFB describing the
> importance of such signage with its request.  On
> or before February 1, 2011, Cardtronics will
> provide the NFB with the approximate date on
> which it placed signage on each of the
> Merchant-owned Voice-guided ATMs or sent the appropriate signage by mail.
> (8)        By December 31, 2012, Cardtronics will
> cause to have inspected all Cardtronics-owned,
> non-branded ATMs to ensure that the Voice-guided
> features of these ATMs are in working
> condition.  Approximately 10,000 of these
> inspections shall take place in calendar years
> 2010 and 2011, with the balance taking place in
> calendar year 2012.  To the extent Cardtronics
> can demonstrate to Class counsel that within the
> first two years of conducting such inspections
> the Voice-guided features are in compliance with
> the definition of Voice-guidance, the parties
> shall meet to discuss the results of these
> inspections and may agree in writing that
> Cardtronics shall cause to have inspected a
> minimum of 1,000 Cardtronics-owned, non-branded
> ATMs each year for the remainder of the term of
> the Agreement.  These inspections will be
> documented in a manner showing that the person
> conducting the inspection used headphones to
> listen to the voice script on the
> ATM.  Similarly, in the course of conducting its
> routine inspections of Cardtronics-owned, branded
> ATMs, such inspections shall be documented in a
> manner showing that the person conducting the
> inspection used headphones to listen to the voice
> script on the ATM.  On a monthly basis,
> Cardtronics shall report the results of all
> inspections required by this paragraph to Class counsel.
> (9)        In addition to the reporting
> requirements identified in the Final Order,[3]
> Cardtronics will report monthly between June 1,
> 2010 and December 31, 2011.  For the period
> between June 1, 2010 and December 31, 2011,
> Cardtronics will add to the information it is
> currently reporting for each Cardtronics-owned
> ATM whether the enhanced script has been
> installed on the ATM, as well as the month and
> year of such installation.  No later than October
> 31, 2010, for each Cardtronics-owned ATM on which
> it is not technologically feasible to install an
> enhanced script, Cardtronics will indicate
> whether it will replace such ATM with a
> Voice-guided ATM or remove the ATM from the fleet.
> (10)      Cardtronics will keep its ATM locator
> on its website up to date as to whether a covered
> ATM is equipped with Voice-guidance.
> (11)      Notice of the Proposed Remediation Plan
> will be provided to the Class in the manner described below.
> (12)      In addition to the testing costs set
> forth in Final Order Ex. 1, Cardtronics will pay
> $60,000 to the NFB to be used for interim testing
> and other compliance monitoring by the NFB taking
> place in 2010 and the first quarter of 2011.  The
> NFB shall provide Cardtronics with invoices as
> testing is completed, to be payable by
> Cardtronics within 30 days of receipt of each invoice.
> (13)           Cardtronics will pay the NFB
> $145,000 for the reasonable fees and costs
> incurred by the NFB as a result of Cardtronics?
> failure to comply with the Final Order.  This
> amount includes attorneys? fees and testing costs
> that the NFB incurred due to the failure of
> Cardtronics to comply with the Final Order and
> shall be paid in two equal installments of
> $72,500, one upon the effective date of this
> Court?s final approval of the Proposed
> Remediation Plan and the second 60 days thereafter.
> (14)           The requirements set forth in
> Final Order Ex. 1 shall remain in effect, in
> whole or in part, for eight years from the date
> of this Court?s final approval of the Proposed
> Remediation Plan.  The Parties may agree in
> writing to extend the requirements of Final Order
> Ex. 1 further or the Court may so order in
> connection with paragraph 13.3.  Notwithstanding
> any expiration of Final Order Ex. 1, paragraphs
> 6, 7 and 13 of Final Order Ex. 1 shall continue
> to remain in effect in perpetuity.
> (15)           To the extent that the
> requirements set forth herein are inconsistent
> with any provision of Final Order Ex. 1, this
> Order controls.  All other terms and requirements
> of the Final Order, including Final Order Ex. 1,
> will remain in full force and effect.
>
>
>
> [1]  Final Order Ex. 1 at 4.
> [2]  See Final Order Ex. 1 at ? 4.2.
> [3]  See id. at ? 4.4.1.
>
>
>
>
> UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
> FOR THE DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS
>
> COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS, et al.,
>                                                  Plaintiffs,
> v.
> CARDTRONICS, INC., et al.,
>                                                  Defendants.
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>
>
>
>
> Civil Action No. 03-11206-MEL
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>
> NOTICE OF PROPOSED REMEDIATION PLAN CONCERNING
> FINAL ORDER RELATING TO CLASS ACTION SETTLEMENT
> AGREEMENT AND HEARING TO BE HELD ON September 15, 2010 @ 2:30pm
> TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE NATIONWIDE CLASS CERTIFIED
> BY THIS COURT TO INCLUDE BLIND PATRONS OF
> AUTOMATED TELLER MACHINES (?ATMs?) OWNED OR
> OPERATED BY EITHER CARDTRONICS, INC. OR
> CARDTRONICS USA, INC. (collectively, ?Cardtronics?)
>
> On December 4, 2007, this Court granted final
> approval of a class action settlement agreement
> entered into between Plaintiffs, the Commonwealth
> of Massachusetts, the National Federation of the
> Blind (?NFB?), and several individual blind
> persons, and Defendants, Cardtronics, Inc. and
> Cardtronics, LP (now Cardtronics USA, Inc.)
> (collectively ?Cardtronics?) concerning, among
> other things, the accessibility of ATMs owned or
> operated by Cardtronics to blind patrons under
> the Americans with Disabilities Act (?ADA?) and Massachusetts state laws.
>
> DUE TO CARDTRONICS? INABILITY TO MEET A NUMBER OF
> IMPORTANT REQUIREMENTS OF THIS COURT?S FINAL
> ORDER OF DECEMBER 4, 2007, THE PARTIES HAVE
> REACHED AGREEMENT ON A PROPOSED REMEDIATION PLAN,
> SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THIS COURT, THAT REQUIRES
> CARDTRONICS TO MEET ALL OF THEIR PRIOR
> OBLIGATIONS WITH EXTENSIONS OF TIME TO DO SO,
> PLUS ADDITIONAL OBLIGATIONS INTENDED TO ENSURE
> THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE CLASS ENJOY THE BENEFITS
> SET FORTH IN THE ORIGINAL SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND FINAL COURT ORDER.
> Cardtronics has agreed to a remediation plan that
> includes, among other actions, ensuring that with
> the exception of Cardtronics-owned ATMs located
> in 7-Eleven stores, all ATMs owned by Cardtronics
> will offer voice guidance through a standard
> headphone jack located on the face of the ATM by
> no later than December 31, 2010;
> Cardtronics-owned ATMs located in 7-Eleven stores
> will offer voice guidance through a standard
> headphone jack located on the face of the ATM by
> no later than March 31, 2011, and that by March
> 31, 2011, at least ninety percent (90%) of all
> Transactions at Covered ATMs shall occur on ATMs
> that are Voice-guided or otherwise accessible to
> Blind people.  Cardtronics has agreed to develop
> improved voice-guided scripts for all
> Cardtronics-owned ATMs to ensure that blind
> customers can easily access all ATM
> functions.  Cardtronics has also agreed to
> institute an inspection program intended to
> ensure that voice-guided ATMs remain operational
> for blind customers.  A full copy of the proposed
> remediation plan is available on the NFB?s
> website: <http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org and on
> the Cardtronics? website:
> <http://www.cardtronics.net/news/nfb_remediationplan.asp.>www.cardtronics.net/news/nfb_remediationplan.asp.
> The locations of the existing ATMs covered by the
> Final Order and by the proposed remediation plan,
> with designation of voice-guidance status, can be
> obtained through Cardtronics? ATM locator
> feature, available at
> <http://www.cardtronics.net/about/atmlocator.asp>www.cardtronics.net/about/atmlocator.asp.
>
>
> As part of the proposed remediation plan and
> subject to Court approval, Cardtronics has agreed
> to pay the amount of $145,000 in attorneys? fees
> to the attorneys representing the class.  These
> amounts will not detract from Cardtronics duties
> to provide accessible ATMs to the class.  The
> Court will conduct a hearing on the motion of
> class counsel for their attorneys? fees at the
> date and time set forth in the following
> paragraph.  Cardtronics has also agreed to pay an
> additional $60,000 to the NFB for testing that
> the NFB will conduct to ensure compliance with
> the remediation plan requirements.
>
> YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED, pursuant to Rule 23 of
> the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and an Order
> of the Court dated May 18, 2010, and as
> thereafter amended that a Final Approval Hearing
> will be held on September 15, 2010, at 2:30pm,
> before that Court in the United States
> Courthouse, One Courthouse Way, Boston,
> Massachusetts 02210.  The purpose of this Final
> Approval Hearing is to determine whether the
> proposed remediation plan should be approved by
> the Court as fair, reasonable and adequate and
> whether the application for award of attorneys?
> fees and reimbursement for expenses should be approved.
>
> Class Members who wish to object to the proposed
> settlement must provide notice of and explanation
> of their objection in writing to the Court at the
> address above, with copies to Counsel at the
> addresses provided below, no later than Monday,
> August 30, 2010.  Only Class Members filing
> timely objections may request to present their
> objections at the Final Approval Hearing.
>
> Office of the Massachusetts Attorney General Attn: Maura Healey, Esq.
> 100 Cambridge Street
> 11TH floor
> Boston, MA 02108
>
> Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
> Attn: Sharon Krevor-Weisbaum, Esq.
> 120 E. Baltimore Street
> Suite 1700
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> Joseph Kociubes, Esq.
> Bingham McCutchen LLP
> 150 Federal Street
> Boston, MA 02110-1726
>
> FOR FURTHER INFORMATION, VISIT
> <http://www.cardtronics.net/news/>www.cardtronics.net/news/
> OR CONTACT COUNSEL FOR THE PLAINTIFFS:
>
> Commonwealth of Massachusetts
> Office of Attorney General
> Disability Rights Project
> (617) 727-2200
> <http://www.mass.gov/ago>www.mass.gov/ago
>
> OR
>
> Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
> (410) 962-1030
> <http://www.browngold.com/>www.browngold.com
>
> EXCEPT AS INSTRUCTED IN THE NOTICE, PLEASE DO NOT CONTACT THE COURT.
>
>
>
>
> Dated:  May 18, 2010                          By Order of the
>                                                              United
> States District Court
>                                                              For
> the District of Massachusetts
>
>
> UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
> FOR THE DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS
>
> COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS, et al.,
>
>              Plaintiffs
>
> v.
>
> E*TRADE ACCESS, INC., et al.,
>
>              Defendants
>
>
>
>
> CIVIL ACTION NO. 03-11206-MEL
>
>
> FINAL ORDER AND JUDGMENT
>
>              Plaintiffs, Commonwealth of
> Massachusetts, National Federation of the Blind,
> Inc. (?NFB?), Adrienne Asch, Jennifer Bose, Norma
> Crosby, Dwight Sayer, Robert Crowley, Jr.,
> Raymond Wayne, Terri Uttermohlen, and Bryan
> Bashin, seek final approval of the class action
> settlement that was approved preliminarily by
> this Court on July 26, 2007.  See Memorandum and
> Order Granting Unopposed Motion for Preliminary
> Approval of Class Action Settlement and for
> Fairness Hearing (?Preliminary Approval
> Order?).  Specifically, Plaintiffs have moved the
> Court for an Order: (1) finding that the class
> action Settlement Agreement between Plaintiffs
> and Defendants, Cardtronics, LP, and Cardtronics,
> Inc. (collectively ?Cardtronics?), is a fair,
> reasonable and adequate settlement of all of the
> claims of the class against Defendants,
> overruling the single objection to the proposed
> settlement and finding that each class member
> shall be bound by the Settlement Agreement,
> including its release; (2) finding that the
> Notice published to the class satisfies the
> requirements of due process and Fed. R. Civ. P.
> 23; (3) approving an award of attorneys? fees and
> costs by Defendants to Plaintiff, NFB, in the
> amount of $900,000, as agreed to by the parties;
> (4) dismissing this lawsuit on the merits and
> with prejudice as to all claims in the lawsuit
> against all Defendants; (5) attaching and
> incorporating by reference the terms of the
> Settlement Agreement; and (6) retaining
> jurisdiction of all matters relating to the
> interpretation, administration, implementation,
> effectuation and enforcement of the Settlement Agreement.
> I.          Background
>              A.        Plaintiffs? Claims
>              Cardtronics currently owns and/or
> operates at least 23,300 ATMs throughout the
> United States, including approximately 15,000
> ATMs formerly owned and/or operated by Defendant
> E*TRADE Access, Inc.
> (?Access?).[1]  Approximately half of these ATMs
> are owned by independent merchants who are
> customers of Cardtronics (?Merchant-Owned
> ATMs?).  This litigation concerns Plaintiffs?
> request that Cardtronics?s fleet of ATMs be made
> accessible to and independently useable by blind
> people through the use of voice-guidance technology.
>              Some of the ATMs in the Cardtronics
> fleet already have voice guidance.  Those ATMs
> that are not currently voice-guided vary in their
> capacity to be made voice-guided.  Many newer
> machines have the capacity to be upgraded to
> provide voice-guidance through a straightforward
> retrofit process (?Upgradeable ATMs?).  Other,
> older, machines are not able to be upgraded and
> must be replaced completely in order to make voice guidance available.
>              Plaintiffs? Fourth Amended and
> Supplemental Class Action Complaint (?Fourth
> Amended Complaint?) alleges that Cardtronics has
> failed to make all of the ATMs it owns and/or
> operates accessible to blind individuals in
> violation of Title III of the ADA, 42
> U.S.C.    ?? 12181 et seq., and Section 4.34.5 of
> the Department of Justice Standards for
> Accessible Design, 28 C.F.R. pt. 36, app. A
> (?Standards?) (requiring that ATMs be ?accessible
> to and independently useable by persons with
> vision impairments?).  Title III is enforceable
> through a private right of action for injunctive
> relief and prevailing plaintiffs are entitled to
> attorneys? fees.  See 42 U.S.C. ?? 12188(a)(1),
> (2) and 12205.  Plaintiffs have also alleged
> violations of the Massachusetts Public
> Accommodations Act (?MPAA?), Mass. Gen. Laws ch.
> 272, ?? 92A and 98, and the Massachusetts Equal
> Rights Act (?MERA?), Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 93, ? 103.
>              Although numerous procedural and
> substantive disputes have arisen throughout this
> litigation, the case turns primarily on the
> vigorously contested issues of whether
> Defendants? ATMs are in violation of the
> Standards and, if they are, whether Plaintiffs
> are entitled to an injunction that would require
> Cardtronics to install voice-guidance
> capabilities on all ATMs it owns and/or operates,
> including Merchant-Owned ATMs.  The lawsuit also
> includes claims against Defendant E*TRADE Bank,
> Inc. concerning its banking policies applicable
> to consumers? use of the Cardtronics ATMs.  These
> claims are derivative of the claims addressing
> the accessibility of the Cardtronics ATMs.
>              B.        Pre-Filing Settlement Negotiations
>              On June 9, 2003, after lengthy
> negotiations, the Commonwealth and the NFB
> entered into a Partial Settlement Agreement
> (?PSA?) with Defendants Access and E*TRADE Bank,
> Inc. (collectively ?E*TRADE?), pursuant to which
> Access agreed to equip the ATMs it owned with
> voice guidance over a period of two and one-half
> years.  The parties were not able to reach
> agreement with respect to Merchant-Owned ATMs.
>
>              C.        Litigation
> On June 23, 2003, the Commonwealth and the NFB,
> along with several individual blind people and
> the NFB?s Massachusetts affiliate, filed the
> present suit against E*TRADE.  From its
> inception, this litigation has been
> hard-fought.  As fully detailed in the
> Preliminary Approval Order, this complex case
> involved numerous dispositive motions, voluminous
> document discovery and several significant
> discovery-related motions.
> II.        Summary of the Settlement
>              After an all-day mediation on April
> 9, 2007, and following further negotiations over
> the course of more than two months, the parties
> executed the Settlement Agreement on June 21, 2007.
>              In summary, the settlement requires:
>            All Cardtronics-Owned ATMs will be
> voice-guided by the end of this year, with two
> exceptions:  a set of approximately 1,600
> machines that already have voice-guidance, but do
> not have, as otherwise required by the Settlement
> Agreement, audible verification of all of the
> inputs by the ATM user; and a set of no more than
> 177 machines will be voice-guided by mid-2008.  (Settlement Agreement, ?
> 3.1.)
>            As of April 9, 2007 and going forward,
> Cardtronics will only install Cardtronics-Owned
> ATMs that are voice-guided.  (Settlement Agreement, ? 3.1)
>            As of April 9, 2007 and going forward,
> Cardtronics will only sell or make available to
> merchants ATMs that are voice-guided.  (Settlement Agreement,       ?
> 3.2.1.)
>            Cardtronics will identify the smallest
> subset of Merchant-Owned ATMs without voice
> guidance that collectively account for 80% of
> transactions at Merchant-Owned ATMs (?High Volume
> Merchants?) and will, within ninety (90) days of
> approval, offer those merchants that have
> Upgradeable ATMs the opportunity to upgrade to
> add voice guidance at no cost, and will offer
> those merchants whose machines are not
> upgradeable the opportunity to purchase a
> voice-guided machine at Cardtronics?s wholesale
> cost.  (Settlement Agreement, ? 3.2.2.)
>            Regardless of the outcome of this
> marketing plan, Cardtronics will ensure that, by
> July 1, 2010, at least ninety (90) percent of all
> transactions on the ATMs covered by the
> settlement occur on voice-guided ATMs.  (Settlement Agreement, ? 3.3.)
>            After July 1, 2010, Cardtronics will
> not add or renew any merchant-owned ATMs that are
> not voice-guided, so that any remaining ATMs
> constituting less than 10% of transaction volume
> that are not yet voice-guided will either become
> so or be eliminated.  (Settlement Agreement, ? 3.3.2.)
>            Any additional functions that are
> added to ATMs covered by the settlement will be
> accessible to blind patrons within ninety (90)
> days unless Cardtronics believes doing so would
> not be technically feasible without causing undue
> burden or delay, in which case the parties are to
> meet and confer to attempt to eliminate the
> obstructions to adding such new functions.  (Settlement Agreement, ? 3.7.)
>            Cardtronics-owned ATMs acquired after
> final approval of the settlement agreement shall
> be voice-guided within two (2) years;
> after-acquired Merchant-owned ATMs that are
> Merchant-Owned by High Volume Merchants will
> receive the upgrade or replacement offers
> described above.  (Settlement Agreement, ? 3.6.)
>            Cardtronics will provide web-based
> information and signage to assist blind patrons
> in identifying which of its ATMs are
> voice-guided.  (Settlement Agreement, ?? 4.1, 4.2.)
>            Cardtronics will report to Class
> Counsel throughout the term of the Settlement
> Agreement concerning the number of voice-guided
> ATMs and the percentage of transactions occurring
> on such ATMs, and that progress will be verified
> by Cardtronics and monitored by the NFB.  (Settlement Agreement, ? 4.4.)
>            Cardtronics must comply with any
> future regulatory requirements that impose
> additional requirements, but if regulations
> require less than the Settlement Agreement, the
> Settlement Agreement controls.  (Settlement Agreement ?5.1)
>            Class members will release claims for
> injunctive relief and attorneys? fees under Title
> III of the ADA, the MPAA, the MERA, and any other
> claims held by the named plaintiffs to the extent
> such claims relate to the accessibility of ATMs
> to blind people.  Class members also release
> claims for injunctive relief under state law to
> the extent it incorporates or is equivalent to
> Title III.  (Settlement Agreement, ?? 7.1, 7.2.)
>            Class members (excepting the named
> plaintiffs) do not release claims for
> damages.  (Settlement Agreement, ? 7.1.3.)
>            Cardtronics will pay $900,000 in
> attorneys? fees to the NFB and make a
> contribution of $100,000 to the local consumer
> aid fund of the Massachusetts Attorney
> General.  (Settlement Agreement, ?? 9.1, 9.2.)
>              Because the Settlement Agreement
> applies to all Cardtronics ATMs -- including
> former E*TRADE ATMs -- it supercedes the earlier
> PSA among E*TRADE, the Commonwealth, and the
> NFB.  Although E*TRADE is not a party to the
> Settlement Agreement, that agreement concludes
> this litigation and calls for the dismissal with
> prejudice of all claims in this case against all
> Defendants.  (Settlement Agreement, ?
> 2.7(c).)  The implementation of voice guidance on
> the ATMs makes it unnecessary for E*TRADE Bank to
> change its policies as sought in the lawsuit.
>              In the Settlement Agreement, the
> parties agreed that the Court should retain
> jurisdiction of this case for purposes of the
> interpretation, administration, implementation,
> effectuation, and enforcement of this
> Agreement.  (Settlement Agreement, ? 2.7(d).)  In
> addition, Defendants have withdrawn their
> opposition to Plaintiffs? motion for leave to
> file a Fourth Amended Complaint (Settlement
> Agreement, ? 2.1) and the Court has granted the
> parties? joint motion for certification of a
> settlement class, which includes all persons who
> are Blind patrons of ATMs covered by the Settlement Agreement.
> III.       Preliminary Approval
>              As mentioned, on July 26, 2007, this
> Court granted Plaintiffs? Unopposed Motion for
> Preliminary Approval of Class Action Settlement
> and scheduled a Fairness Hearing on the proposed
> settlement for December 4, 2007.  In the
> Preliminary Approval Order, the Court approved
> the parties? proposed plan for notifying class
> member of the settlement, as well as the form of
> the notice to be utilized for this purpose (?Notice?).
> IV.       Notice to the Class
>              The Court finds that the Notice
> approved in the Court?s Preliminary Approval
> Order was made available on Cardtronics?s website
> from approximately August 23, 2007 to November 1,
> 2007 and that a copy of the Notice was also
> available on the NFB?s website during that same period.
> The Court also finds that a copy of the Notice
> was mailed to a list of over 900 organizations,
> including a number composed of, and/or focused on
> the issues of, blind people.   Of those mailings,
> 36 were returned due to incorrect addresses.  The
> correct addresses were ascertained for 11 of
> those returned mailings and the Notice was then
> sent to those correct addresses.  In addition,
> the Notice was emailed to 1,036 email addresses
> relating to the organizations referenced above,
> with a cover letter requesting that the recipient
> post and forward the Notice.  Of those emails,
> 186 were returned as undeliverable.  Fifteen
> organizations to whom the Notice was emailed
> notified class counsel that they had forwarded
> the Notice to other individuals or lists of
> individuals thought to be class members.  Another
> ten organizations notified class counsel that
> they had posted the Notice on their
> websites.  The NFB sent the Notice to over 50
> email lists of blind individuals, including lists
> of blind lawyers, students, and travelers.  In
> each of these paper and electronic mailings,
> counsel for the class offered to provide Braille
> versions of the Notice and/or the Settlement
> Agreement.  Class counsel ultimately received and
> honored six requests for Braille documentation.
> The Court finds further that the Notice was
> published in the August/September edition of the
> Braille Monitor, which is the publication of the
> NFB and is regularly sent to its approximately
> 50,000 members, among others.  The Notice was
> also published in the September, 2007, edition of
> the Braille Forum, as well as in the New York
> Times, the Los Angeles Times, and USA Today on August 28, 2007.
> In addition, the Court finds that there has been
> only one objection to the proposed
> settlement.  This objection purports to be on
> behalf of Mason P. James, of Loveland, Texas, and
> states only that ?[m]e wish to object to the
> proposed settlement.?  See Objection by Mason P.
> James (Sept. 27, 2007, Paper No. 270).
>
> DISCUSSION
> I.          The Settlement Agreement is Granted Final Approval.
>              A court may approve the settlement
> of a class action only upon finding that it is
> ?fair, reasonable, and adequate.?  Fed. R. Civ.
> P. 23(e)(1)(C); see also City P?ship Co. v.
> Atlantic Acquisition Ltd. P?ship, 100 F.3d 1041,
> 1043 (1st Cir. 1996) (same).  The First Circuit
> has recognized a clear policy of encouraging
> settlements in class action cases, and has stated
> that ?[w]hen sufficient discovery has been
> provided and the parties have bargained at
> arms-length, there is a presumption in favor of
> the settlement.?  City P?ship, 100 F.3d at
> 1043.  In determining the fairness,
> reasonableness and adequacy of a proposed class
> action settlement, several courts in this
> district have looked to the following factors set
> forth in City of Detroit v. Grinnell Corp., 495
> F.2d 448, 463 (2d Cir. 1974), overruled on other
> grounds by Missouri v. Jenkins, 491 U.S. 274 (1989):
> (1) the complexity, expense and likely duration
> of the litigation; (2) the reaction of the class
> to the settlement; (3) the stage of the
> proceedings and the amount of discovery
> completed; (4) the risks of establishing
> liability; (5) the risks of establishing damages;
> (6) the risks of maintaining the class action
> through the trial; (7) the ability of the
> defendants to withstand a greater judgment; (8)
> the range of reasonableness of the settlement
> fund in light of the best possible recovery; (9)
> the range of reasonableness of the settlement
> fund to a possible recovery in light of all the
> attendant risks of litigation.
>
> For all of the reasons set forth in the Court?s
> Preliminary Approval Order, an analysis of these
> factors strongly supports this Court?s final
> approval of the Settlement Agreement as fair,
> reasonable and adequate.  In addition, this Court
> overrules the single objection to the proposed
> settlement, as no reasons were provided for that
> objection as required by the Notice approved by
> the Court.  Therefore, this Court also finds that
> all class members are bound by the Settlement
> Agreement, including its release provisions.
> II.        Notice to the Class
>              Rule 23(e) states that ?notice of
> the proposed dismissal or compromise shall be
> given to all members of the class in such manner
> as the court directs.?  The notice must satisfy
> Rule 23, as well as due process
> requirements.  Cf. Besinga v. United States, 923
> F.2d 133, 136-37 (9th Cir. 1991) (requirements of
> due process and Fed. R. Civ. P. 23(c)(2)(B) are
> similar).  ??[I]t is the court?s duty to ensure
> that the notice ordered is reasonably calculated
> to reach the absent class members.?  Reppert v.
> Marvin Lumber and Cedar Co., 359 F.3d 53, 56 (1st
> Cir. 2004) (citations omitted).  ?When individual
> notice is infeasible, notice by publication in a
> newspaper of national circulation . . .  is an
> acceptable substitute.?  Mirfasihi v. Fleet
> Mortgage Corp., 356 F.3d 781, 786 (7th Cir. 2004).
>              This Court finds that the notice
> program approved in its Preliminary Approval
> Order and now implemented by the parties was the
> best notice practicable under the circumstances
> and satisfied the requirements of due process and
> Fed. R. Civ. P. 23.  The parties represented that
> there was no readily accessible list of the
> potential class members in this case and that
> such a list likely could not be created without
> enormous effort and expenditure.  Notice here
> involved a combination of individual mailing --
> through the Braille Monitor and Braille Forum to
> tens of thousands of blind people -- and
> publication in three newspapers of national
> circulation:  The New York Times, Los Angeles
> Times, and USA Today.  Under these circumstances,
> individual notice was not required in order to
> satisfy the requirements of due process and Fed. R. Civ. P. 23.
> III.       Attorneys? Fees and Costs
>              Class counsel have submitted an
> Unopposed Petition for an Award of Attorneys?
> Fees and Costs, pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 23(h)
> and 54(d)(2).  Specifically, class counsel
> request that the Court approve an award of
> attorneys? fees and costs by Defendants to the
> NFB in the amount of $900,000, the amount agreed
> to by the parties as part of the class action settlement.
>              The ADA provides that courts may
> award the prevailing party its ?reasonable
> attorney?s fee, including litigation expenses,
> and costs.?  42 U.S.C. ? 12205.  Rules 23(h)(1)
> and (2) require that notice and an opportunity to
> object be provided.  In this case, the Notice
> sent pursuant to the Preliminary Approval Order
> included the amount of the fees and provided an
> opportunity to object and no class member has
> objected to the proposed fee award.
>              In evaluating a fee petition in a
> case such as this, the Court is to consider ?the
> reasonableness of the hours spent and the hourly
> rate sought.?  Weinberger v. Great Northern
> Nekoosa Corp., 925 F.2d 518, 529 (1st Cir. 1991)
> (quoting In re Spillance, 884 F.2d 642, 647 (1st
> Cir. 1989)).  After due consideration of the
> filings of class counsel and the relevant case
> law cited therein, this Court finds that a fee
> award in the amount of $900,000 is well within
> the bounds of reasonableness under the
> circumstances of this case.  The time spent by
> class counsel in litigating this complex case
> clearly was justified.  In addition, the lodestar
> amount ? calculated by multiplying these hours by
> reasonable prevailing rates ? is almost twice the
> amount agreed upon in the settlement.  The Court
> finds that the hourly rates charged by class
> counsel are commensurate with the rates charged
> by Boston attorneys of comparable experience in
> comparable matters and that the rates actually
> billed to the NFB were below those rates.  In
> addition, the award sought is well below the
> actual amount of fees and costs paid by the NFB
> in connection with this litigation.  For these
> reasons, the Court approves the fee award agreed
> to by the parties as part of the Settlement Agreement.
> IT IS HEREBY ORDERED, ADJUDGED AND DECREED THAT:
>              1.         This Court has
> jurisdiction over the subject matter of this
> lawsuit and over all of the parties to the
> lawsuit, including the named Plaintiffs, all
> members of the class, and Defendants.
>              2.         The Court adopts and
> incorporates the findings of the Preliminary
> Approval Order and hereby approves the Settlement
> Agreement as fair, reasonable and adequate in all
> respects.  This is especially so in view of the
> complexity, expense and probable duration of
> further litigation, the risks of establishing
> liability, the intensive arm?s length
> negotiations of experienced counsel and the
> reasonableness of the relief obtained,
> considering the range of possible outcomes and
> the attendant risks of litigation.
>              3.         The Court overrules the
> single objection to the settlement and finds that
> each class member is bound by the Settlement Agreement, including its
> release.
>              4.         The Court finds that the
> Notice published to the class satisfies the
> requirements of due process and Fed. R. Civ. P. 23.
>              5.         The Court finds that the
> attorneys? fees and costs sought by class counsel
> are reasonable and approves an award of fees and
> costs, in the amount of $900,000, as agreed to by the parties.
>              6.         The Court dismisses this
> lawsuit on the merits and with prejudice as to
> all claims in the lawsuit against all Defendants.
>              7.         The Court attaches hereto
> as Exhibit 1 and incorporates into this Final
> Order and Judgment the terms of the Settlement Agreement.
>              8.         The Court retains
> jurisdiction of all matters relating to the
> interpretation, administration, implementation,
> effectuation and enforcement of the Settlement Agreement.
>
>                                      It is so ordered.
>
> Dated:
> _________________________
>
>                                             U.S.D.J.
>
>
> 397837
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> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 18:12:32 -0500
> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] 2010 NFB Convention Agenda Now Available
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> Below is the text of the agenda for the 2010 NFB
> national convention.  You can also download a
> fully-formatted Word version from the link below.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> http://www.nfb.org/nfb/National_Convention.asp
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>
> THE MEMBERS OF THE
> NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND OF TEXAS
> WELCOME YOU TO THE
> 70th ANNUAL CONVENTION OF THE
> NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
>
> Marc Maurer, President
> National Federation of the Blind
> 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
> Baltimore, Maryland 21230
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> Mary Ellen Jernigan
> Executive Director for Operations and
> Chairwoman, Convention Organization and Activities
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> Angela Wolf, President
> National Federation of the Blind of Texas
> 314 East Highland Mall Blvd., Suite 353
> Austin, Texas 78752
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> Hilton Anatole Hotel
> 2201 Stemmons Freeway
> Dallas, Texas 75207
> (214) 748-1200
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>       The 70th annual convention of the National
> Federation of the Blind is being held in Dallas
> at the Hilton Anatole Hotel.  As usual, our hotel
> rates are very good: singles and doubles are $62;
> triples and quads are $67. In addition to the
> room rates, there is a fifteen percent occupancy
> tax.  There is no charge for children under
> sixteen in the room with parents as long as no
> extra bed is required.  Proof of convention
> registration is necessary, including the showing
> of an NFB registration badge if
> requested.  Otherwise, regular hotel rates must
> be paid.  The Hilton Anatole is a non-smoking
> hotel; smoking is permitted only on the Gossip
> patio and fifteen feet from any outside entrance.
>
> HILTON ANATOLE GEOGRAPHY
>          The Hilton Anatole consists of two main
> sections?the Atrium and the Tower. The Atrium
> section is further divided into Atrium I and
> Atrium II. At the lobby and mezzanine levels
> Atrium I, Atrium II, and the Tower are connected
> so that you can walk from Atrium I at the far
> east end of the hotel through Atrium II into the
> Tower at the far west end of the hotel as if it
> were one building.  During the time of our
> convention the entire central area of Atrium II
> at the lobby level will be undergoing substantial
> renovation.  This renovation will not impact our
> convention operation in any significant way since
> there will be a well-defined passageway linking
> Atrium I with the Tower.  This passageway will
> run east and west along the south side of Atrium II at the lobby level.
>       At levels above the mezzanine, Atrium I and
> Atrium II are contiguous with each other but not
> with the Tower?that is, to reach the sleeping
> rooms, you must use either the Atrium elevators
> or the Tower elevators, depending on which
> section your room is located in. The Tower
> sleeping room elevators do not stop at the
> mezzanine level. The Atrium sleeping room
> elevators stop at the mezzanine level, and you
> can reach the mezzanine level meeting rooms above
> the Atrium I lobby, the Atrium II lobby, and the
> Tower lobby. However, a flight of six or eight
> steps links the Atrium II mezzanine and the Tower
> mezzanine. If these steps are a problem, you can
> take a separate, single elevator that goes from
> the Tower lobby to the Tower mezzanine level.
> This elevator is located just west of the
> business center in the Tower lobby. At the west
> end of the Tower mezzanine is a stairway that
> leads to the Tower lobby. When you come down this
> stairway, you are facing east, and the Chantilly
> Ballroom is slightly ahead and on your right.
>       Atrium I is the farthest-east section of
> the hotel and sits slightly south of Atrium II.
> Think of the entire hotel as a high-top tennis
> shoe lying on its side with the sole running
> along the north side, the toe pointing west, and
> the open top to the south. The right angle formed
> where the back of the shoe meets the sole in the
> hotel?s architecture is actually cut on the
> diagonal so that, when entering the hotel on that
> diagonal, you are facing southwest.  Atrium I is
> much shorter in its north-south dimension than
> are Atrium II and the Tower on the east-west
> axis. After you step into the main entrance, a
> left turn takes you towards the check-in desk and Atrium I.
>       If you stand with your back to the check-in
> desk, you are facing west. Atrium I is on your
> left, and Atrium II is slightly to your right and
> straight ahead. The Atrium elevators and stairway
> and escalators to the mezzanine-level meeting
> rooms are located just across from the Atrium
> front desk and main entrance in the general area
> where the two Atria join.  Access to the
> temporary passageway between Atrium I and the
> Tower will be located here also.
>       The lobby level of Atrium I and the area
> south of the temporary Atrium II passageway
> contains several meeting rooms, a brand new
> restaurant called the Media Grill & Bar, and the
> Grand Ballroom, which is located on the south
> side of Atrium II. The Khmer Pavilion is located
> roughly above the Grand Ballroom.
>       The point at which the Atrium II lobby
> joins the Tower lobby is located just beyond the
> west end of the Grand Ballroom foyer.  The exact
> configuration of this juncture is unknown at the
> time of this writing because of the renovations
> in progress.  If any steps still remain by the
> time we arrive, there will be a ramp in place for wheelchair access.
>
>       HOTEL FOOD SERVICE
>       Breakfast will be available from 6:00 to
> 11:00 am in three locations: Common Ground in
> Atrium 1, serving grab-and-go continental
> breakfasts and ala carte items including hot
> breakfast sandwiches; The Terrace in Atrium 1
> serving full hot breakfasts; and Gossips
> (beginning at 6:30 am) in the Tower serving
> specialty coffees and ala carte items.
>       Lunch will be available from 11:00 am to
> 2:00 pm in the Common Ground serving soups,
> salads, deli and hot sandwiches, quick
> grab-and-go bag lunches, and other ala carte
> items; in The Terrace from 11:00 am to 2:00 pm
> serving a quick hot ?blue plate? special each
> day; in Gossips from 11:00 am to 3:00 pm serving
> deli sandwiches and ala carte items; and in the
> Media Grill & Bar (located on the south side of
> Atrium II between the Atrium escalators and the
> Grand Ballroom) from 11:00 am to 10:00 pm
> offering a full-scale lunch and dinner menu.
>       Dinner will be available in the Media Grill
> & Bar until 10:00 pm, with ?deep-night? bar and
> selected food service continuing until 2:00 am;
> in the Rathskeller (accessed from the Tower lobby
> across from the potpourri shop), serving a
> typical sports bar menu; and in Nana, the
> five-star restaurant located on the
> twenty-seventh floor of the Tower, from 6:30 to
> 10:30 pm.  In addition, sushi will be available
> in Gossips until 2:00 am; a variety of hot and
> cold lite fare will be available in the bar at
> Nana from 4:30 pm to 12:30 am; and room service
> is available on a twenty-four-hour basis.
>
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>
> TEXAS-STYLE BARBEQUE AND LIVE MUSIC IN ANATOLE PARK
>          Continue the excitement of convention
> opening day by enjoying a delicious Texas-style
> barbeque with family and friends under the stars in Anatole Park.
> Listen to the great acoustical sounds of one of
> Texas? top performing singers and songwriters,
> Brian Burns, with friends Tommy Alverson and
> Davin James, who bring Texas and American country
> music back to the heart of the matter.  All
> hosted by the NFB of Texas and all happening on
> Tuesday, July 6, starting at 6:00 pm.  Tickets
> (while they last) are $45 per person and can be
> purchased in the registration area.
>
> ROOKIE ROUNDUP
>            All first-time convention attendees
> are cordially invited to attend a reception from
> 8:00 to 10:00 pm on Saturday, July 3, in the
> Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby.  President
> Maurer and other Federation leaders will be on
> hand to welcome you to the convention and preview
> the week?s activities. Veteran conventioneers
> should urge all first-timers to attend this
> special event.  Also, first-time rookies are
> invited to join an informal, fun gathering on
> Monday, July 5, from 12:00 noon to 2:00 pm in the Affiliate Action Suite
> 2372.
>
>          REGISTRATION & PREREGISTRATION
>          Registration activities take place in
> the upper Chantilly foyer, Tower lobby beginning
> at 9:00 am on Sunday, July 4; at 8:30 am on
> Monday, July 5; and at other times as listed
> throughout the week.  The fee for registration at
> convention is $20 per person (if you
> preregistered before May 31, the fee was $15),
> and all those attending the convention (both
> local and outoftown people) are asked to
> register. Convention registration is a
> requirement for door prize eligibility and a
> number of other convention activities. We
> condition rates for hotel rooms on proof of
> registration, including the showing of an NFB
> registration badge if requested. Therefore,
> please register as soon as possible after arrival.
>
>          EXHIBITS
> Exhibits (excluding the NFB Independence Market)
> are on display in the Khmer Pavilion, Atrium
> third level.  Exhibit hall hours are:
>          Sunday          9:00 am to 5:00 pm
>          Monday          8:30 am to 5:00 pm
>          Tuesday                 Noon to 1:45 pm;
> Sponsors only from 7:00-10:00 pm
>          Wednesday       Noon to 1:45 pm and 7:00 to 10:00 pm
> There is a special event for sponsor-level
> exhibitors only on Tuesday, July 6, from 7:00 to
> 10:00 pm (see ?Special Attention? section and
> agenda listing for more information).  Sign up
> for NFB-NEWSLINE? at the NEWSLINE table.  Any
> alterations in the general session schedule which
> may occur during the convention will result in
> conforming shifts in the exhibit schedule and
> will be announced in the exhibit areas. A number
> of affiliated NFB divisions and committees have tables.
>
> INDEPENDENCE MARKET & SHOWROOM OF INNOVATION
>          The Independence Market and the Showroom
> of Innovation will be located in the Grand
> Ballroom, Atrium lobby.  NFB publications,
> products, devices, canes, Louis Braille
> commemorative coins, jewelry, and other items
> will be available. Also in the Showroom of
> Innovation you can preview the nonvisual
> interface technology that might empower driving
> and other advanced applications. Put your hands
> on the wheel, touch the first generation blind
> driver challenge vehicle, and glimpse into the
> future.  Be part of the revolution as we Race for
> Independence. Hours of operation for the Market and the Showroom are:
>          Sunday          9:00 am to 5:00 pm
>          Monday          8:30 am to 5:00 pm
>          Tuesday                 Noon to 1:45 pm
>          Wednesday       Noon to 1:45 pm?Note: Final time slot to visit
>                                  Independence
> Market and Showroom of Innovation.
>
> MEETINGS
>          General sessions of the convention
> convene at 9:00 am in the Chantilly Ballroom,
> Tower lobby on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday.
> The convention adjourns promptly at 5:00 pm on
> Thursday, July 8.  Please note that all requests
> for announcements by Dr. Maurer during general
> sessions must be submitted in Braille.
>
>          BANQUET AND BANQUET TICKET EXCHANGE
>          The banquet is being held in the
> Chantilly Ballroom, Tower lobby at 7:00 pm,
> Thursday, July 8.  Banquet tickets purchased at
> convention are $45.00 (the cost was $40 if
> purchased before May 31) and are on sale during
> registration on Sunday, Monday, and
> Tuesday.  Banquet tickets will not be available
> for purchase after Tuesday at 2:00 pm.
>          It will be necessary to have your
> banquet ticket with you to attend the banquet; it
> will be collected at the banquet table.
> Arrangements should be made for reserved table
> assignments by taking the ticket(s) you purchase
> to the Banquet Exchange Table in the Chantilly
> lobby area, where you may exchange either an
> individual ticket or a group of tickets for
> reserved seating.  Banquet tables seat ten people.
>
>
> RELIGIOUS SERVICES AND DEVOTIONS
>          On Sunday, July 4, Fr. Gregory Paul,
> C.P., will celebrate a Roman Catholic Mass at
> 6:30 am in the Wedgwood Room, Tower lobby.
>
>          Also on Sunday at 11:45 am services for
> the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
> will be held in the Wedgwood Room, Tower lobby.
>
>          Devotional services will be held in the
> Sapphire Room, Tower lobby at 8:00 am on Tuesday,
> Wednesday, and Thursday.  Services are
> nonsectarian and will end at least fifteen
> minutes prior to morning convention
> sessions.  Coordinated by the National
> Association of the Blind in Communities of Faith
> Division; Tom Anderson, President.
>
> K-NFB?S BLIO READER
> MAKING BOOKS ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
>       Printed books are becoming digital and
> accessible.  Blio is free e-reader software
> designed for presentation of digital
> media.  Developed and distributed by K-NFB
> Reading Technology, Inc., shop at the online Blio
> bookstore with access to over one million free
> books.  Read wherever you are by syncing your
> digital library to your mobile device. To learn
> more, visit the demonstration sessions listed in
> the agenda on Saturday, Sunday, and Wednesday.
>
> SPECIAL ATTENTION IS CALLED
> TO THE FOLLOWING ITEMS
> ? A Federation Information Desk will be in the
> registration area from Sunday morning, July 4,
> through Thursday, July 8, if you have questions
> or need assistance.  The Texas affiliate will
> also maintain a table near the hotel checkin desk
> in the main lobby to provide assistance and
> hospitality during much of the convention.
>
> ? When you register, you will be given a name
> badge. Please wear it at all times during the convention.
>
> ? The room number for the Presidential Suite is
> 2572.  Someone will be on hand in the
> Presidential Suite throughout most of the
> convention to greet you and make appointments for
> you with the President or anyone else you wish to
> see.  The Presidential Suite will not be open
> during the business sessions of the convention,
> the Monday morning Board of Directors meeting, or
> the Thursday evening banquet. Come to the
> Presidential Suite. You will be most welcome.
>
>
>
> ? The room number for Mary Ellen Jernigan,
> Chairwoman of Convention Organization and
> Activities, is 2472. Questions concerning hotel
> rooms, meeting rooms, banquet, scheduling,
> registration, and other matters dealing with
> convention arrangements should be referred to the
> Chairwoman of Convention Organization and Activities.
>
> ? Individuals needing to conduct business with
> the NFB Treasurer may do so by going to the Opal
> Room, Tower lobby on Tuesday, July 6, between
> 5:30 and 7:30 pm, or on Wednesday, July 7, between 12:00 noon and 2:00 pm.
>
> ? The Texas Suite (Angela Wolf, President) is 2272.
>
> ? The Affiliate Action and Rookie Activities
> Suite (Joanne Wilson and Pam Allen, Coordinators) is 2372.
>
> ? Child-care services for children between the
> ages of six weeks and ten years are available
> during convention sessions, most meetings, and
> the banquet.  Preregistration and payment by June
> 15 were required for child-care.
>
>          Child-care is organized and supervised
> by Carla McQuillan, the executive director of
> Main Street Montessori Association.  Alison
> McQuillan serves as the activities and staff
> coordinator.  Please note that child-care
> provides morning and afternoon snacks, but
> parents are required to provide lunch for their
> child(ren) every day. Times listed are the
> opening and closing times for child-care. A late
> fee of $10 per quarter-hour per child will be
> assessed for all late pickups.  Child-care hours are:
> Saturday, 7/3           8:30 am to 12:30 pm and 1:30 to 5:30 pm
> Sunday, 7/4             Closed
> Monday, 7/5             8:30 am to 12:30 pm and 1:30 to 5:30 pm
> Tuesday, 7/6            9:30 am to 12:30 pm and 1:30 to 5:30 pm
> Wednesday, 7/7          8:30 am to 12:30 pm and 1:30 to 5:30 pm
> Thursday, 7/8           8:30 am to 12:30 pm and 1:30 to 5:30 pm
> Banquet 7/8              6:30 pm to 30 minutes after banquet ends
>
> ? A Special Evening for Sponsor-Level
> Exhibitors:  Again this year, the exhibit hall
> will reopen from 7:00 to 10:00 pm on Tuesday,
> July 6, for a very special evening dedicated
> solely to Sponsor-Level Exhibitors. Come and
> bring a guest to say ?thank you? to our sponsors
> and to enjoy their interesting offers and demonstrations.
>
> ? The always popular Showcase of Talent is back
> again at 7:00 pm on Wednesday, July 7, presented
> by the Performing Arts Division.  Admission price
> is $5.00. If you would like to participate in the
> Showcase, make sure to sign up early by
> contacting a Performing Arts Division board member at the convention.
>
> ? Raffle tickets will not be sold in the
> registration area, and no raffles or other such
> drawings will take place during convention
> sessions or at the banquet. The single exception
> to this rule will be that national divisions may
> (if they request it in advance) conduct such
> drawings during the convention or at the
> banquet.  The Sapphire Room, Tower lobby will be
> set aside at 12:00 noon on Thursday, July 8, for
> all other drawings. Any group or affiliate
> wishing to conduct drawings at this time (or any
> person wishing to know the winners) may go at
> noon on Thursday to the Sapphire Room.
>
> AFFILIATED DIVISIONS, COMMITTEES, AND GROUPS
>          The Federation carries on its business
> through divisions, committees, and groups. The
> meetings of some of these have been scheduled for
> particular times and are listed in the agenda.
> Others have not been formally scheduled but will
> meet at the call of their chairpersons or
> presidents. If you have matters that you would
> like to discuss with any of the following
> divisions, committees, or groups, you should contact:
>
> Divisions:
> ? Agriculture and Equestrian: Fred Chambers, President;
> ? Assistive Technology Trainers:  Michael Barber, President;
> ? Classics, Antiques, and Rods or Special Interest Vehicles (CARS):
>          Joseph B. Naulty, President;
> ? Deaf-Blind: Burnell Brown, President;
> ? Diabetes Action Network for the Blind: Michael Freeman, President;
> ? Human Services: David Stayer, President;
> ? National Association of the Blind in Communities of Faith: Tom Anderson,
>          President;
> ? National Association of Blind Entrepreneurs: James R. Bonerbo,
>          President;
> ? National Association of Blind Lawyers: Scott LaBarre, President;
> ? National Association of Blind Merchants: Kevan Worley, President;
> ? National Association of Blind Office Professionals: Lisa Hall, President;
> ? National Association of Blind Piano Technicians: Don Mitchell, President;
> ? National Association of Blind Rehabilitation Professionals: Melody
>          Lindsey, President;
> ? National Association of Blind Students: Arielle Silverman, President;
> ? National Association of Blind Veterans: Dwight Sayer, President;
> ? National Association of Guide Dog Users: Marion Gwizdala, President;
> ? National Association to Promote the Use of
> Braille (NAPUB): Nadine Jacobson, President;
> Divisions, Continued:
> ? National Federation of the Blind in Computer Science: Curtis Chong,
>          President;
> ? National Federation of the Blind Krafters: Joyce Kane, President;
> ? National Federation of the Blind Seniors: Judy Sanders, President;
> ? National Organization of Blind Educators: Sheila Koenig, President;
> ? National Organization of Parents of Blind Children (NOPBC): Carol
>          Castellano, President;
> ? Performing Arts: Dennis H.R. Sumlin, President;
> ? Public Employees: Ivan Weich, President;
> ? Science and Engineering: John Miller, President;
> ? Sports and Recreation: Lisamaria Martinez, President;
> ? Travel and Tourism: Don Gillmore, President;
> ? Writers: Robert Leslie Newman, President.
>
> Committees:
> ? Ambassadors: Angela Wolf, Chairperson;
> ? Blind Educator of the Year Award: David Ticchi, Chairperson;
> ? Committee on Assistive Technology (COAT): Curtis Chong, Chairperson;
> ? Committee on Automobile and Pedestrian Safety (CAPS): Deborah Kent
>          Stein, Chairperson;
> ? Committee to Empower Underserved Populations (CEUP): Ron Brown,
>          Chairperson;
> ? Cultural Exchange and International Program: Diane McGeorge,
>          Chairperson;
> ? Distinguished Educator of Blind Children Award: Cathy Jackson,
>          Chairperson;
> ? Employment: Buna Dahal, Chairperson;
> ? Genetic Education: Barbara Pierce, Chairperson;
> ? Imagination Fund: Parnell Diggs, Chairperson;
> ? Jacobus tenBroek Award: Ramona Walhof, Chairperson;
> ? Jacobus tenBroek Memorial Fund: Tami Jones, Chairperson;
> ? Kenneth Jernigan Fund: Allen Harris, Chairperson;
> ? Library Services: David Hyde, Chairperson;
> ? Loan Fund: Donald C. Capps, Chairperson;
> ? Membership: Ron Gardner, Chairperson;
> ? Newel Perry Award: Allen Harris, Chairperson;
> ? Newsletter Publications: Norma Crosby, Chairperson;
> ? NFB-NEWSLINE? Steering: David DeNotaris, Chairperson;
> ? PAC Plan: Scott LaBarre, Chairperson;
> ? Planned Giving: John Halverson, Chairperson;
> ? Promotion, Evaluation, and Advancement of Technology: Gary Wunder,
>          Chairperson;
> Committees, Continued:
> ? Public Relations: Christopher Danielsen, Chairperson;
> ? Research and Development: Curtis Chong, Chairperson;
> ? Resolutions: Sharon Maneki, Chairperson;
> ? Scholarship: Anil Lewis, Chairperson;
> ? Shares Unlimited in NFB (SUN): Sandy Halverson, Chairperson;
> ? Spanish Translation: Norman Gardner, Chairperson;
> ? White Cane and Affiliate Finance: Alpidio Rol?n, Chairperson.
>
> Groups:
> ? Blind Musicians: Linda Mentink, Chairperson;
> ? Blind Parents: Deborah Kent Stein, Chairperson;
> ? Blind Professional Journalists: Elizabeth Campbell and Bryan Bashin,
>          Co-Chairpersons;
> ? Educators of Blind Children: Gail Wagner, Chairperson;
> ? Geordi's Engineers: Lorraine Rovig, Chairperson;
> ? Legislative Initiatives Discussion: Don Burns, Coordinator;
> ? Living History: Michael Freholm, Chairperson;
> ? NFB Ham Radio: D. Curtis Willoughby, Chairperson;
> ? NFB in Judaism: David Stayer, Chairperson;
> ? NFB Lions: Ramona Walhof and Milton Ota, Co-Chairpersons;
> ? Orientation and Mobility: Edward C. Bell, Chairperson;
> ? Professionals in Blindness Education: Heather Field, Chairperson
> ? Webmasters: Gary Wunder, Chairperson.
>
>
>          CONVENTION AGENDA
>   SATURDAY, JULY 3, 2010
>
> 7:30 - 8:45 am?HAM RADIO GROUP EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS
> Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
> Discuss convention frequencies, hotel
> architectural features, and distributing special
> FM receivers for the hearing-impaired and
> Spanish-speaking attendees. D. Curtis Willoughby (ka0vba), Chairperson
>
> 7:30 am - 6:30 pm?EDUCATION: TOP DOWN AND BOTTOM UP
> Parent, Teacher, Rehabilitation, and Orientation
> & Mobility Joint Conference for Families and
> Rehabilitation Professionals (7:30 to 8:45 am?Registration;
>
> 12:00 noon - 2:00 pm?NBPCB Awards Luncheon in Morocco Room)
> Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby
>          NOPBC Fees: Adults $30; Youth (13-18) $20; Children (5-12) $10
>          NBPCB Fees (includes lunch): Students $75; Professionals $100
>          Note: Conference admission included with either registration above.
> Sponsors: National Organization of Parents of
> Blind Children (NOPBC); National Blindness
> Professional Certification Board (NBPCB);
> National Association of Blind Rehabilitation
> Professionals (NABRP); and the Professional
> Development & Research Institute on Blindness
> (PDRIB) at the Louisiana Tech University.
> Chairpersons: Carol Castellano and Edward Bell
>
> 8:30 am?CHILD-CARE (Preregistration by June 15 was required)
> Batik A & B and Cardinal A & B Rooms, Atrium Mezzanine
> Please see ?Special Attention? section of agenda for further information.
>
> 8:30 - 11:30 am?WHAT?S NEW IN JAWS 11 AND A FIRST
> LOOK AT JAWS 12?FREEDOM SCIENTIFIC, INC.
> Senators Lecture Hall, Tower lobby
> Join Eric Damery, JAWS Product Manager, for an
> exciting and informative session covering the new
> details surrounding JAWS development during the
> past year.  In addition to many demonstrations of
> JAWS 11 with Research It, this will also be the
> first look at JAWS 12 scheduled for public beta in August 2010.
>
> 9:00 am - 12:00 noon?GW MICRO: SENSE NOTETAKER
> AND BOOKSENSE TRAINING (Registration: $10; refreshments provided)
> Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
> The Braille Sense Plus and other Sense notetakers
> are exciting devices in Braille notetaker
> technology.  Learn new features, including the GW
> Sense Navigation GPS.  See the BookSense in
> action; play your books and audio files with
> ease.  Raul Gallegos and Jeremy Curry. To register, call 260-489-3671.
>   SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued
>
> 9:00 am - 5:00 pm?NFB JERNIGAN INSTITUTE?S ACCESS TECHNOLOGY SEMINARS
> Governors Lecture Hall, Tower lobby
>
>      9:00 - 11:30 am?Apple?s Mac system, iPod series, iPhone, and iPad
>      1:00 - 2:00 pm?Ebay?s accessibility improvements
>      2:15 - 3:30 pm?Blackboard Learn, the online platform for education
>      3:45 - 5:00 pm?Accessing e-Books rapidly expanding market
>
> 9:00 am - 5:00 pm?EMPLOYMENT COMMITTEE SEMINAR
> Rosetta Room, Atrium mezzanine
>      9:00 am?Registration; 9:30 am?Seminar begins
> Staying on the cutting edge?what does it
> take?  If you are seeking a job or focused on
> career advancement, don't miss this excellent
> opportunity to explore the building blocks of
> evolutionary employment.  Buna Dahal, Chairperson
>
> 9:30 am - 2:30 pm?SENIORS SEMINAR: INTRO TO BLINDNESS SKILLS
> Sapphire Room, Tower lobby
> Please note?attendance is limited to around
> thirty-five people, so arrive promptly.  Blind
> instructors introduce seniors to basic blindness
> skills: Braille, use of the long white cane,
> games, etc.  Co-chaired by Ruth Sager and Ramona
> Walhof; Judy Sanders, President, NFB Seniors Division
>
> 10:30 am - 12:00 noon??WHERE PAST, PRESENT, AND
> FUTURE COME TOGETHER??NFB YOUTH TRACK (AGES 11 TO 18)
> Wyeth Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Kick off this year?s Youth Track activities with
> fun icebreakers and meet new friends.  This is
> also a time for youth to debate the age-old
> issues of blindness while putting a fresh new
> spin on them for today.  All Youth Track
> activities are sponsored by the NFB Jernigan
> Institute; Mary Jo Hartle, Coordinator
>
> 12:45 - 1:45 pm?WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?  NFB
> JERNIGAN INSTITUTE DISCUSSIONS?SESSION ONE
> (Session Two: Sunday at 5:30 pm; Session Three: Monday at 7:30 pm)
> Wyeth Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Session One covers research, history, and our literature.
> Moderated by Mark A. Riccobono, Executive Director, NFB Jernigan Institute
>
>
>   SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued
>
> 1:00 - 3:00 pm?FREEDOM SCIENTIFIC; OPENBOOK 9 AND
> PEARL PORTABLE READING SOLUTION
> Senators Lecture Hall, Tower lobby
> Have lightning fast OCR with OpenBook in a
> portable solution that folds up.  Connect via a
> USB port and scan documents. Have them read aloud
> using Eloquence voices or any of Real Speak Solo
> Direct human-sounding voices now available on
> OpenBook. Magnify work, write under the camera, and reformat text.
>
> 1:00 - 5:00 pm?HUMANWARE PRODUCT SHOWCASE AND USER GROUPS
> Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Sessions: 1:00 Breeze; 2:00 Portable Devices; 3:00 Stream; 4:00 BrailleNote
> Join HumanWare to learn about recent updates and
> share product tips. Give us your suggestions or
> ask questions about your favorite HumanWare
> product. Door Prizes for every session!
>
> 1:00 - 6:00 pm?KRAFTERS DIVISION CRAFT SHOW
> Topaz Room, Tower lobby
> If you are interested in crafts and appreciate
> hand-made items, this is the place to be!  Come
> and meet some very talented Federation crafters
> and purchase their beautiful items for sale. Joyce Kane, President
>
> 1:30 - 2:45 pm?EXPERIENCE THE BLIO READER: MAKING
> THE WORLD?S BOOKS ENJOYABLE, USABLE, AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
> Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Presented by James Gashel.
>
> 2:00 - 3:00 pm?NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS
>          The Conquest of Independence
>          Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
>          Helpful strategies for raising and working with a young blind
> child.
>          Instructor: Carla McQuillan
>
>          The Blind Student in Science Class
>          Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
>          Tools and techniques to include blind
> students in all aspects of science.
>          Instructors: Cary Supalo, Dr. Lillian
> Rankel, Marilyn Winograd, and Dr.
>          Andrew Greenberg
>
>   SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued
>
> NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS, Cont?d.
>          Braille Reading Rates
>          Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Your child can become a Braille-reading speed demon!
> Instructors: Jerry Whittle and Dr. Eric Vasiliauskas
>
> Let Your Child Grow Up!
> Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
> When is the right time to begin stepping back as a parent?
> Instructors: Rosy Carranza and Andrea Beasley
>
> 2:00 - 5:00 pm?GOAL BALL; SPORTS & REC DIVISION
> Gym, Verandah area
> Lisamaria Martinez, President
>
> 2:00 - 5:00 pm?GW MICRO: WINDOW-EYES TRAINING
> (Registration: $10; refreshments provided)
> Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Explore the power of Window-Eyes with advanced
> scripting support, Office 2010, Windows 7, and
> much more.  Come to see support for the Internet
> and scripting provided by a screen
> reader.  Presenters: Jeremy Curry and Raul
> Gallegos. To register, call 260-489-3671.
>
> 2:00 - 5:00 pm?YOUTH TRACK CONCURRENT WORKSHOP SESSIONS
>          Preparing for the Future:
>          Wyeth Room, Atrium mezzanine
>          2:00 - 3:30 pm?High School Readiness (ages 11-14)
>          3:30 - 5:00 pm?College Readiness (ages 14-18)
>
>          Working Out Workouts:
>          Travertine Room, Atrium mezzanine
>          2:00 - 3:30 pm?For ages 14-18
>          3:30 - 5:00 pm?For ages 11-14
>
>          Looking Good without Looking:
>          Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
>          2:00 - 3:30 pm?For ages 14-18
>          3:30 - 5:00 pm?For ages 11-14
>
>
>   SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued
>
> 3:00 - 4:30 pm?TEACHER RECRUITMENT INITIATIVE
> Affiliate Action Suite 2372
> If you are interested in improving the education
> of blind students, please join us. Learn how to
> contact universities in your area, put on
> recruitment presentations, and spread the word about this rewarding career.
> Hosted by the NFB Affiliate Action Team
>
> 3:00 - 4:45 pm?EXPERIENCE THE BLIO READER: MAKING
> THE WORLD?S BOOKS ENJOYABLE, USABLE, AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
> Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Presented by James Gashel.
>
> 3:15 - 4:15 pm?NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS
>
> ABC and 1, 2, 3
> Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Early literacy and number understanding at home and at school.
> Instructors:  Heather Field and Stephanie Kieszak-Holloway
>
> I Survived Math Class
> Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Tips to ensure your child understands, keeps up
> with, and even learns to love math.
>
>          Social Skills
>          Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine
>          Strategies for fostering the development
> of age-appropriate social skills.
>          Instructors: Denise Mackenstadt and Angela Frederick
>
>          Low Vision: Focus on Success
>          Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
>          Prepare your low vision child for
> success in school, at home, and in social
>          life.  Instructors: Marla Palmer and Mark Riccobono
>
> 4:30 - 5:30 pm?NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS
> Get Your Child Going!
> Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Enhance and promote independent movement in the
> young or delayed child.  Instructor: Denise Mackenstadt
>
>   SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued
>
> NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS, Cont?d.
>
> Technology
> Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Available technology; hear from students on how
> they employ it.  Instructors: Richard Holloway and blind students
>
>          Behavior: From Control to Support in Five Easy Lessons
>          Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
>          Steps to turn problem behavior into positive behavior.
>          Instructor: Dr. Jerry Petroff
>
>          Is Your Child Job Ready?
>          Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
>          Learn how your child can gain experience and skills.
>
> 5:00 - 7:00 pm?SPANISH SEMINAR
> Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Blindness is blindness, no matter what the
> language.  Meet new and old friends; learn about
> Federation philosophy and the truth about
> blindness?in Spanish.  Moderator: Alpidio Rol?n
>
> 5:00 - 8:00 pm?MIX-AND-MINGLE RECEPTION FOR
> PARENTS AND REHABILITATION PROFESSIONALS
> Morocco Room, Tower mezzanine
>
> 6:00 - 10:00 pm?NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF GUIDE DOG
> USERS (NAGDU) BUSINESS MEETING
> Emerald Room, Tower lobby
>    6:00 pm?Registration; 7:00 pm?Meeting begins
> Find out about legal cases that NAGDU and NFB are
> involved in; learn about the work and development
> of affiliate divisions; celebrate the launch of
> the NAGDU Education and Advocacy Hotline; elect
> your division leaders. Marion Gwizdala, President
>
>
>
>
>
>   SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued
>
> 6:30 - 10:00 pm?NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND OFFICE PROFESSIONALS
> Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
>     6:30 pm?Registration; 7:00 pm?Meeting begins
> Learn about new technology and how blind
> telephone operators, receptionists, customer
> service reps, Braille transcribers and
> proofreaders, and other office workers solve
> problems and challenges in the office setting.  Lisa Hall, President
>
> 7:00 - 8:30 pm?LIVING HISTORY GROUP
> Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Dedicated to recording, preserving, and
> appreciating Federation history.  Michael Freholm, Chairperson
>
> 7:00 - 9:00 pm?NOPBC FAMILY HOSPITALITY NIGHT
> Miro Room, Tower mezzanine
> Relax and chat in an informal atmosphere.  This
> is a great opportunity for new families to meet
> and connect with others.  Veteran parents will be
> on hand to welcome and provide information.
>
> 7:00 - 10:00 pm?INDEPENDENCE SCIENCE, LLC FOCUS GROUP ONE
> Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
> (Preregistration by May 15 was required to
> attend.) Independence Science LLC, in
> collaboration with Purdue University researchers,
> is collecting feedback on a new portable handheld
> data collection device for blind students to use
> in high school science laboratories.  (Focus
> Group Two meets Monday at 7:00 pm)
>
> 7:30 - 9:00 pm?knfbReader MOBILE USERS MEETING
> Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Conducted by Michael Hingson
>
> 7:30 - 11:00 pm?SALSA DANCE LESSIONS AND LATIN DANCE PARTY
> Metropolitan Ballroom, Tower mezzanine
> Get into the ?rhythm? of the convention?learn the
> salsa!  Group and individual instructions
> provided at any level of proficiency.  Fee of
> $5.00 benefits the NFB Spanish Translation
> Committee.  Add salsa dancing to your repertoire; people will be impressed.
>
>
>
>
>   SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued
>
> 8:00 - 9:00 pm?WHITE CANE AND AFFILIATE FINANCE COMMITTEE
> Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Alpidio Rol?n, Chairperson
>
> 8:00 - 10:00 pm?NFB LIONS GROUP
> Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine
> NFB members who would like to join a Lions Club
> or are already Lions are urged to meet to share
> ideas and experiences.  Please wear your shirts
> or vests for a photo. Co-Chairpersons: Ramona Walhof and Milton Ota
>
> 8:00 - 10:00 pm?ROOKIE ROUNDUP RECEPTION
> Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby
> First-time convention attendees?don?t miss this
> event!  President Maurer and former rookies will
> be on hand to welcome you and answer questions
> about the week?s activities. Casual dress.
> Coordinator: Pam Allen, Director of the Louisiana
> Center for the Blind and President of the NFB of Louisiana
>
> 8:00 pm - midnight?KARAOKE NIGHT?? (Admission: $5.00)
> Peacock Terrace, West Wing
> Enjoy music, door prizes, and a cash bar; meet
> BLIND, Incorporated?s students and alumni and
> share their experiences from training.  Here?s
> your chance to sing like a rock star; Braille
> song lists are available.  Hosted by BLIND, Inc.
>
> 9:00 - 10:00 pm?NFB AMBASSADORS COMMITTEE MEETING
> Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Angela Wolf, Chairperson
>
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>   SUNDAY, JULY 4, 2010
>
> 6:30 - 7:30 am?ROMAN CATHOLIC MASS
> Wedgwood Room, Tower lobby
> Father Gregory Paul, C.P., Celebrant
>
> 9:00 am - 5:00 pm?REGISTRATION ($20); BANQUET AND
> BARBEQUE TICKET SALES ($45 EACH); Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby
>
> 9:00 am - 5:00 pm?INDEPENDENCE MARKET AND
> SHOWROOM OF INNOVATION?Grand Ballroom, Atrium lobby
>
> 9:00 am 5:00 pm?EXHIBITS?Khmer Pavilion, Atrium, third level
>
> 11:45 am - 1:15 pm?CHURCH SERVICES FOR THE CHURCH
> OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
> Wedgwood Room, Tower lobby
>
> 1:00 - 2:00 pm?BLIND MUSICIANS GROUP
> Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Share ideas and tips and network with other blind musicians.
> Linda Mentink, Chairperson
>
> 1:00 - 5:00 pm?SELF-DEFENSE CLASS; SPORTS & REC DIVISION
> De Soto A & B Rooms, West Wing
> Lisamaria Martinez, President
>
> 1:00 - 5:00 pm?AUTO SHOW (CLASSICS, ANTIQUES, AND SPECIAL INTEREST VEHICLES)
> Clock Tower Parking Lot
> Presented by the NFB CARS Division; Joe Naulty, President
>
> 1:00 - 5:00 pm?NATIONAL CERTIFICATION IN LITERARY
> BRAILLE (NCLB) OFFICIAL EXAMINATION?SECTIONS ONE AND TWO
> Governors Lecture Hall, Tower lobby
> Participants must have preregistered.  Exam
> sections three and four are on Monday at 1:00
> pm.  Sponsored by the National Blindness Professional Certification Board
>
>
>
>   SUNDAY, JULY 4, Continued
>
> 1:00 - 6:30 pm?PROFESSIONALS IN BLINDNESS EDUCATION
> Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Heather Field, Chairperson
>
> 1:30 pm?RESOLUTIONS COMMITTEE
> Coronado Ballroom, West Wing
> Sharon Maneki, Chairperson
>
> 1:30 - 2:45 pm?EXPERIENCE THE BLIO READER: MAKING
> THE WORLD?S BOOKS ENJOYABLE, USABLE, AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
> Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Presented by James Gashel
>
> 2:00 - 4:30 pm?OPEN BRAILLE INITIATIVE
> Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
> To make access to Braille easier, a group of
> prominent Braille device manufacturers have come
> together to develop and maintain an Open Standard
> for communications between screen readers and
> Braille displays.  Do you want to know more? Join
> us for the OpenBraille initiative presentation.
>
> 2:30 - 5:30 pm?TRAVEL AND TOURISM DIVISION
> Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
> Don Gillmore, President
>
> 3:00 - 4:45 pm?EXPERIENCE THE BLIO READER: MAKING
> THE WORLD?S BOOKS ENJOYABLE, USABLE, AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
> Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Presented by James Gashel
>
> 3:00 - 5:00 pm?WHAT?S NEW WITH NFB-NEWSLINE?
> Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Learn about the NFB?s free audible newspaper
> service for the blind and visually
> impaired.  Topics cover Podable News, the new
> voices, the new on-demand article request
> feature, and more.  Sign up for NFB-NEWSLINE? at its exhibit hall table.
>
> 4:00 - 5:30 pm?SLATE MATES?NFB YOUTH TRACK (Ages 11-18)
> Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Pair up with members of the NFB Writers Division
> to learn the tricks of the trade to become a good
> writer.  Bring your questions, and put your interests to work.
>   SUNDAY, JULY 4, Continued
>
> 4:00 - 6:00 pm?FEDERATION REGENERATION
> Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Learn how to develop quality programs for youth
> in your state while regenerating your Federation
> spirit.  Presented by the NFB Jernigan Institute Education Team
>
> 4:30 - 6:00 pm?THIRTEENTH ANNUAL MOCK
> TRIAL?National Association of Blind Lawyers; Scott LaBarre, President
> Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby
> Admission: $5.00.  Federation lawyers are pitted
> against each other reenacting an old Federation
> case with the audience serving as the
> jury.  Although the subject matter is very
> serious, the courtroom portrayers are very entertaining.
>
> 5:30 - 6:30 pm?WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?  NFB
> JERNIGAN INSTITUTE DISCUSSIONS?SESSION TWO (Session Three: Monday at 7:30)
> Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Session Two covers access technology and product development.
> Moderated by Mark A. Riccobono, Executive Director, NFB Jernigan Institute
>
> 5:30 - 8:00 pm?NEWSLETTER PUBLICATIONS COMMITTEE
> Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Annual meeting and workshop for affiliate
> newsletter editors.  Norma Crosby, Chairperson
>
> 6:00 - 8:00 pm?STORY TIME IDOL?NFB WRITERS DIVISION
> Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Tell and/or listen to tall and scary
> stories.  Cost is $5.00 at the door and $1.00 to
> tell a story.  Idol winners share in the take!  Robert Leslie Newman,
> President
>
> 6:00 - 10:00 pm?NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS (NABS)
> Wedgwood Room, Tower lobby
>     6:00 pm?Registration ($5.00); 7:00 pm?Meeting
> Students, young professionals, parents, teachers,
> and anyone interested in learning about issues
> affecting blind students are welcome to attend.
> Arielle Silverman, President
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>   SUNDAY, JULY 4, Continued
>
> 6:30 - 8:00 pm?NFB AFFILIATE PRESIDENTS AND TREASURERS SEMINAR
> Rosetta Room, Atrium mezzanine
> All affiliate presidents and treasurers are asked
> to attend this session.  Topics include internal
> controls, state charitable registrations,
> end-of-year preparations, and discussing
> individual state issues with facilitators Charlie
> Brown, Ron Gardner, Bridgid Burke, and Nick Lambright
>
> 7:00 - 8:30 pm?MEET THE BLIND MONTH ACTIVITIES
> AND OTHER SPECIAL EVENTS SEMINAR: PLANS AND ACTION EQUAL SUCCESS
> Manchester Room, Tower mezzanine
> October is ?Meet the Blind Month.? Come and
> brainstorm with us as we look for fresh ideas for
> Meet the Blind Month!  Learn new fundraising
> ideas, and get your chapter ready to change
> public perceptions of blindness. Karen Zakhnini, NFB Jernigan Institute
>
> 7:00 - 8:30 pm?PUBLIC EMPLOYEES DIVISION
> Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Ivan Weich, President
>
> 7:00 - 10:00 pm?NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND VETERANS
> Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Discussing plans to increase our division
> membership in the coming year and holding elections.  Dwight Sayer,
> President
>
> 7:30 - 9:30 pm?MEMBERSHIP COMMITTEE: FINDING,
> ATTRACTING, AND KEEPING NEW MEMBERS IN OUR CHAPTERS AND AFFILIATES
> Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Success only comes before work in the
> dictionary.  Let?s discuss creative ideas to
> increase our membership. Ron Gardner, Chairperson
>
> 7:30 - 9:30 pm?LIBRARY SERVICES COMMITTEE
> Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
> David Hyde, Chairperson
>
> 7:30 - 9:30 pm?BLIND PARENTS GROUP
> Travertine Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Deborah Kent Stein, Chairperson
>
>
>
>   SUNDAY, JULY 4, Continued
>
> 8:00 - 9:00 pm?JUDAISM MEETING
> Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
> David Stayer, Chairperson, NFB in Judaism Group
>
> 8:00 - 9:30 pm?WEBMASTERS MEETING
> Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
> A meeting for all NFB affiliate and division
> Webmasters to discuss the importance of an
> informative, accessible, and visually attractive Website.
> Gary Wunder, Chairperson, Webmasters Group
>
> 9:00 - 10:00 pm?SPANISH TRANSLATION COMMITTEE
> Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Norman Gardner, Chairperson
>
>
>
>    MONDAY, JULY 5, 2010
>
> 8:30 am - 5:00 pm?INDEPENDENCE MARKET AND
> SHOWCASE OF INNOVATION?Grand Ballroom, Atrium lobby
>
> 8:30 am 5:00 pm?EXHIBITS?Khmer Pavilion, Atrium, third level
>
> 8:30 am - 5:00 pm?REGISTRATION ($20); BANQUET AND
> BARBEQUE TICKET SALES ($45 EACH); Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby
>
> 9:00 11:30 am?NFB BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING (Open to all)
> Chantilly Ballroom, Tower lobby
>
> 12:00 noon - 1:15 pm?THE DIVISION FOR ME?NFB YOUTH TRACK
> Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Meet-and-greet with division representatives to
> discover the NFB?s dynamic and diverse
> divisions.  Chat with knowledgeable reps about
> what?s happening now in their divisions and
> what?s in the works for the future.  Our
> divisions are progressive?join up and join in the fun.
>
> 12:00 noon - 2:00 pm?FIRST-TIME NFB CONVENTION ATTENDEES
> Affiliate Action Suite 2372
> Is this your first National Federation of the
> Blind convention? If so, please bring your own
> lunch and participate in a fun gathering; meet
> some friendly people and have your convention
> questions answered by experienced Federationists.
>
> 12:30 - 5:00 pm?DIABETES ACTION NETWORK (DAN) SEMINAR
> Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
>     12:30 pm?Registration; 1:00 pm?Meeting begins
> Learn about research updates on the use of
> insulin pens by Dr. Ann Williams, strategies to
> get medical insurance providers to cover diabetes
> management equipment accessible to the blind, and
> more.  Mike Freeman, President
>
> 12:30 - 5:00 pm?NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS (NABL)
> L?Entrecote Room, Atrium lobby
>     12:30 pm - Registration; 1:00 pm - Meeting begins
> Examine laws affecting blind people and others
> with disabilities; address ongoing struggles to
> gain equal access to Web sites, employment, legal
> texts and exams. Scott LaBarre, President
>
>
>    MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued
>
> 12:30 - 5:00 pm?NFB IN COMPUTER SCIENCE
> Rosetta Room, Atrium mezzanine
>     12:30 pm?Registration; 1:00 pm?Meeting begins
> Some of the topics include: the Macintosh as a
> productivity tool for the blind; Solona, a
> CAPTCHA-solving service; Association of
> Information Technology Professionals
> presentation; accessibility to Microsoft?s
> products by its director of accessibility, Rob
> Sinclair; elections; and much more.  Curtis Chong, President
>
> 12:30 - 5:00 pm?NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF THE BLIND IN COMMUNITIES OF FAITH
> Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
>     12:30 pm?Registration; 1:00 pm?Meeting begins
> The theme is ?Meeting Challenges: Gaining
> Opportunities.?  Speakers tell how their faith
> has helped them face and overcome challenges;
> also hear representatives from various
> faith-based libraries and publishing houses
> describe what their organizations do. Tom Anderson, President
>
> 12:30 - 5:00 pm?SPORTS AND RECREATION DIVISION ANNUAL MEETING
> Coronado Ballroom, West Wing
>     12:30 pm?Registration; 1:00 pm?Meeting begins
> Wear your sweats and come ready for hands-on
> presentations, audible darts, and more!  Lisamaria Martinez, President
>
> 1:00 3:00 pm?PUBLIC RELATIONS COMMITTEE MEETING & SEMINAR
> Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Don't wait for the media to discover you?come and
> share ideas and strategies on how to harness the
> power of the media! Topics: crafting press
> releases, pitching stories, and giving
> informative interviews. Chris Danielsen, Chairperson
>
> 1:00 - 4:00 pm?PERFORMING ARTS DIVISION
> Travertine Room, Atrium mezzanine
> General meeting with elections, an introduction
> to our new state divisions, and speakers.  Dennis H.R. Sumlin, President
>
> 1:00 - 4:15 pm?NOPBC DIVISION ANNUAL MEETING: ISSUES AND ADVANCES IN
> EDUCATION
> Sapphire Room, Tower lobby
> Carol Castellano, President
>
>
>   MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued
>
> 1:00 - 4:30 pm?NOPBC ACTIVITIES FOR MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOLERS
>
> 1:00 - 2:30 pm?Diggin? Into Science (ages 11-14)
> Miro Room, Tower mezzanine
> Hands-on science fun with instant snow, magnets, volcanoes, etc.
> Instructors: Dr. Lillian A. Rankel and Marilyn
> Winograd, with assistance from chemists Cary Supalo and Dr. Andrew Greenberg
>
> 3:00 - 4:30 pm?Peer-to-Peer Technology (ages 11-18)
> Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
> Calling all geeks to expound on technology you love and love to hate.
> Moderators: Jeremiah Beasley and John Fritz
>
> 3:00 - 4:30 pm?The Future Is Here in Science (ages 14-18)
>          Miro Room, Tower mezzanine
>          Hands-on chemistry activities; understanding chemical phenomena.
>          Instructors: Dr. Lillian A. Rankel,
> Marilyn Winograd, Cary Supalo, and Dr.
>          Andrew Greenberg
>
> 1:00 - 4:30 pm?NATIONAL ORGANIZATION OF BLIND EDUCATORS
> Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
>     1:00 pm?Registration; 1:30 pm?Meeting begins
> Blind teachers discuss techniques they use in
> their classrooms; participants also meet in
> groups specific to grade level and content areas
> of interest to create a network of mentors.  If
> you teach or are considering a career in teaching
> at any level, please join us. Sheila Koenig, President
>
> 1:00 5:00 pm?NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND
> MERCHANTS REVOLUTIONIZING RANDOLPH-SHEPPARD:
> CREATING NEW, ROBUST, AND DIVERSE SMALL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE BLIND
> De La Salle Room, West Wing
>    1:00 pm?Registration; 1:30 pm?Meeting begins
> The title says it all. Let?s continue to protect
> and defend the Randolph-Sheppard Program. The
> need to expand business opportunities and to
> develop new business initiatives for the blind of America is pressing.
> At Your Service, Kevan Worley, President
>
>
>
>
>   MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued
>
> 1:00 - 5:00 pm?NATIONAL CERTIFICATION IN LITERARY
> BRAILLE (NCLB) OFFICIAL EXAMINATION?SECTIONS THREE AND FOUR
> Governors Lecture Hall, Tower lobby
> Participants must have preregistered.  Sponsored
> by the National Blindness Professional Certification Board
>
> 1:00 - 5:00 pm?NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND REHABILITATION PROFESSIONALS
> Madrid Room, Tower mezzanine
>     1:00 pm?Registration; 2:00 pm?Meeting begins
> Network, share mutual interests, find placement
> strategies, and examine and discuss concerns and
> current issues.  Melody Lindsey, President
>
> 1:00 - 5:00 pm??SENIORS IN CHARGE??NFB SENIORS
> DIVISION MEETING AND (SOMEWHAT) SILENT AUCTION
> Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Join us to hear enthusiastic seniors share ideas
> about what they are doing; find out ways to
> spread our message of hope to seniors who have
> recently become blind.  And then, of course, we
> are also having our very popular not-so-silent auction. Judy Sanders,
> President
>
> 1:00 - 6:00 pm?HUMAN SERVICES DIVISION
> Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine
>     1:00?Registration; 2:00?Meeting begins; 5:00?Mingle and network
> Psychologists; social workers; counselors; and
> music, art, or dance therapists meet to discuss
> topics and network.  David Stayer, President
>
> 1:30 3:00 pm?CULTURAL EXCHANGE AND INTERNATIONAL PROGRAM COMMITTEE
> Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Diane McGeorge, Chairperson
>
> 1:30 - 4:30 pm?WRITERS DIVISION BUSINESS MEETING
> Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Update members on division business, announce the
> 2010 winners of the youth and adult writing
> contests, visit with a published author and
> member of the NFB, and plan for the future. Robert Leslie Newman, President
>
>
>    MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued
>
> 3:00 - 5:00 pm?NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND PIANO TECHNICIANS
> Wedgwood Room, Tower lobby
> Piano tuning has long been considered one of the
> stereotypical career choices for the blind.  Is
> this true? What can we do about it? Don Mitchell, President
>
> 5:00 - 6:30 pm?NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS (NABL) RECEPTION
> L?Entrecote Room, Atrium lobby
> For NABL members and seminar participants only to
> promote networking and fellowship within our
> membership. Hors d'oeuvres and cash bar available.
> Scott LaBarre, President
>
> 5:00 - 7:00 pm?BRAILLE BOOK FLEA MARKET
> De Soto A & B Rooms, West Wing
> A book lover?s dream! Browse tables of new and
> used Braille and print/Braille books.  UPS
> volunteers will ship the books to your home free
> of charge.  Donations requested to support the
> Braille Readers are Leaders program.  Cosponsored
> by NOPBC and NAPUB.  Coordinator: Peggy Chong
>
> 5:30 - 7:00 pm?KURZWEIL 1000 USERS? CONTINGENT
> Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Join the Kurzweil 1000 Users? Contingent!  Meet
> with Steve Baum, Vice President of Engineering,
> and share some Kurzweil 1000
> experiences.  Kurzweil 1000 is our
> state-of-the-art, text-to-speech and life
> navigation software for blind and visually impaired readers.
>
> 6:00 - 9:00 pm?INDOOR ROWING; SPORTS & REC DIVISION
> Coronado Ballroom, West Wing
> Lisamaria Martinez, President
>
> 6:00 - 10:00 pm?BACK TO BASICS: FOUNDATIONS IN
> MEMBERSHIP AND CHAPTER DEVELOPMENT
> Sapphire Room, Tower lobby
> Topics: running a purposeful chapter meeting,
> building membership, community projects and
> chapter fundraising, working with youth, and
> weaving Federation philosophy into local
> meetings.  Presented by the NFB Affiliate Action Team
>
>
>
>
>    MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued
>
> 6:00 - 10:00 pm?NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF GUIDE DOG
> USERS (NAGDU) SILVER ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION AND SEMINAR
> Emerald Room, Tower lobby
>     6:00 pm?Registration; 7:00 pm?Seminar begins
> Join us in celebrating twenty-five years of
> education and advocacy on behalf of guide dog
> users, recognize our founders and past leaders,
> initiate future projects, and ?test drive? a
> guide dog!  Marion Gwizdala, President
>
> 6:30 - 9:30 pm?SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING DIVISION
> Wyeth Room, Atrium mezzanine
>    6:30 pm?Registration; 7:00 pm?Meeting begins
> John Miller, President
>
> 6:30 - 10:00 pm?ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGY TRAINERS DIVISION
> Manchester Room, Tower mezzanine
>    6:30 pm?Registration; 7:00 pm?Meeting begins
> Topics: determining the right note taker for your
> student; plunging without fear into Windows 7
> with Cathyanne Murtha of Access Technology
> Institute; Jsay Pro; and teaching the Mac.  Michael Barber, President
>
> 7:00 - 8:30 pm??BROKEN-HEARTED RIVER TO FREEDOM?
> a play by Jerry Whittle (Admission: $5.00; Second
> Performance is at 9:00 pm)
> Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby
> A man loses his sight during the Civil War,
> returns home, and learns to deal with his
> blindness and family.  The play is performed by
> the Louisiana Center for the Blind Players;
> proceeds go to the Louisiana Center for the
> Blind?s summer training program for blind children.
>
> 7:00 - 9:00 pm?CLASSICS, ANTIQUES, AND RODS
> (CARS) DIVISION SEMINAR AND BUSINESS MEETING
> Obelisk B Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Come and hear speakers from automobile clubs talk
> about their activities and participate in the
> division business meeting. Joseph B. Naulty, President
>
> 7:00 - 9:00 pm?COMMITTEE TO EMPOWER UNDERSERVED POPULATIONS
> Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Ron Brown, Chairperson
>
>    MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued
>
> 7:00 - 9:00 pm?NATIONAL ASSOCIATION TO PROMOTE
> THE USE OF BRAILLE (NAPUB) SEMINAR
> Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Hear about the remaining commemorative Louis
> Braille silver dollars and how to get one, NFB
> Share Braille Website, and more.  Nadine Jacobson, President
>
> 7:00 - 10:00 pm?INDEPENDENCE SCIENCE FOCUS GROUP TWO
> Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
> (Preregistration by May 15 was required to
> attend.) Independence Science LLC, in
> collaboration with Purdue University researchers,
> is collecting feedback on a new portable handheld
> data collection device for blind students to use
> in high school science laboratories.
>
> 7:30 - 8:30 pm?ME AND THE GOSSIP GIRLS?NFB YOUTH TRACK
> Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine?Ages 11-14
> Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine?Ages 14-18
> Girls?bring your questions and thoughts about
> makeup, dating, or how to get more involved in
> your school.  Discussions will be led by blind
> mentors.  Parents, please respect this is for teens only!
>
> 7:30 - 8:30 pm? ME AND THE GUYS?NFB YOUTH TRACK
> Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine?Ages 11-14
> Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine?Ages 14-18
> Guys?talk about cars, dating, school, or how to
> nail that perfect job to make a little extra
> money.  Discussions will be led by blind mentors.
> Parents, please respect this is for teens only!
>
> 7:30 - 8:45 pm?WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?  NFB
> JERNIGAN INSTITUTE DISCUSSIONS?SESSION THREE
> Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Session Three covers education programs.
> Moderated by Mark A. Riccobono, Executive Director, NFB Jernigan Institute
>
> 7:30 - 10:00 pm?COMMITTEE FOR THE PROMOTION,
> EVALUATION, AND ADVANCEMENT OF TECHNOLOGY
> Travertine Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Hear exhibitors explain briefly what they are
> exhibiting and where they are located in the
> exhibit hall.  We will also evaluate the
> effectiveness of what our Committee is doing now
> and consider programs for the coming year. Gary Wunder, Chairperson
>    MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued
>
> 8:00 - 9:00 pm?FRIENDS OF RECOVERY MEETING
> Library Room, Tower mezzanine
> All convention delegates involved in or
> interested in twelve-step recovery programs are
> invited to attend.  A second Friends of Recovery
> meeting will be on Wednesday at 8:00 pm.  Coordinator: Gary Ray
>
> 9:00 - 10:30 pm??BROKEN-HEARTED RIVER TO FREEDOM?
> a play by Jerry Whittle (Admission: $5.00)
> Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby
> A man loses his sight during the Civil War,
> returns home, and learns to deal with his
> blindness and family.  The play is performed by
> the Louisiana Center for the Blind Players;
> proceeds go to the Louisiana Center for the
> Blind?s summer training program for blind children.
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>    TUESDAY, JULY 6, 2010
>
> 8:00 - 8:45 am?DEVOTIONS
> Sapphire Room, Tower lobby
>
> 8:15 8:45 am?REGISTRATION ($20); BANQUET AND
> BARBEQUE TICKET SALES ($45 EACH)?Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby
>
>
>
>          OPENING GENERAL SESSION
>
> 9:00 am INVOCATION
>
> 9:35 am WELCOMING CEREMONIES
>
> 9:55 am CELEBRATION OF FREEDOM: VETERANS RECOGNIZED
> Dwight Sayer, President, National Association of
> Blind Veterans, National Federation of the Blind; Winter Gardens, Florida
>
> 10:05 am        A DEFENSE DEPARTMENT PRIORITY FOR BLIND WOUNDED WARRIORS
> Colonel Donald Gagliano, M.D., Executive
> Director, Department of Defense/Department of
> Veterans Affairs Vision Center of Excellence; Washington, D.C.
>
> 10:20 am        ROLL CALL OF STATES AND APPOINTMENT OF NOMINATING COMMITTEE
>
> 11:45 am        REPORTS AND RESOLUTIONS
>
> 12:00 pm        ADJOURN
>
>
>
> 12:00 noon 12:30 pm and 1:30 - 2:00
> pm?REGISTRATION ($20); FINAL BANQUET TICKET SALES
> ($45)?Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby
>
> 12:00 noon - 1:45 pm?INDEPENDENCE MARKET AND
> SHOWROOM OF INNOVATION?Grand Ballroom, Atrium lobby
>
>
>    TUESDAY, JULY 6, Continued
>
> 12:00 noon 1:45 pm?EXHIBITS?Khmer Pavilion, Atrium, third level
>
> 12:15 - 1:45 pm?LOUISIANA CENTER FOR THE BLIND
> ALUMNI LUNCHEON; Pam Allen, Director
> Peacock Terrace, West Wing
>
>
>
> GENERAL SESSION
>
> 2:00 pm CALL TO ORDER
>
> 2:05 pm PRESIDENTIAL REPORT, Marc Maurer
>
> 3:00 pm THE FEDERATION IN THE WORLD FROM THE
> PERSPECTIVE OF THE BLIND CIVIL RIGHTS LEADER AND SENATOR IN THAILAND
>       Monthian Buntan, Senator; Bangkok, Thailand
>
> 3:20 pm THE BLIND DRIVER OPERATING A VEHICLE AT
> SPEED: CREATING THE TECHNOLOGY THAT PUTS THE CONTROLS UNDER OUR HANDS
> Parnell Diggs, Esq., Coordinator, Race for
> Independence; President, National Federation of
> the Blind of South Carolina; Garden City, South Carolina
>
> 3:35 pm SWEP AND THE BARS OF OUR PRISON
> Scott LaBarre, Esq., LaBarre Law Offices;
> President, National Federation of the Blind of Colorado; Denver, Colorado
>
> 3:50 pm THE XAVIER SOCIETY FOR THE BLIND: SERVING THE BLIND SINCE 1900
> Father John R. Sheehan, S.J., Chairman, Board of
> Directors, Xavier Society for the Blind; New York, New York
>
> 4:05 pm ONE MILLION BOOKS FOR THE PRINT DISABLED AND MORE TO COME
> Brewster Kahle, Digital Librarian; San Francisco, California
>
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>    TUESDAY, JULY 6, Continued
>
> 4:20 pm NOT JUST SURVIVING THE DISASTER OF
> SEPTEMBER 11 BUT PROVIDING LEADERSHIP IN A DEADLY EMERGENCY
> Michael Hingson, President, Michael Hingson Group; Novato, California
>
> 4:35 pm REPORTS AND RESOLUTIONS
>
> 5:00 pm ADJOURN
>
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>
> 5:30 - 6:30 pm?NOMINATING COMMITTEE
> De La Salle Room, West Wing
>
> 5:30 - 6:30 pm?NFB-LINK, OUR ONLINE MENTORING PROGRAM
> Affiliate Action Suite 2372
> Come help us honor the over 250 mentors that are
> a part of NFB-LINK and learn how you can become a
> mentor, too. NFB-LINK is our online mentoring
> program, and by becoming a mentor, you will see
> how a little time on the computer can make a huge
> difference. Current and future mentors, please attend!
>
> 6:00 pm?NFB OF TEXAS BARBEQUE AND LIVE MUSIC
> Anatole Park
> Enjoy eating a delicious Texas-style barbeque
> with all of the trimmings while listening to the
> music of singer/songwriter/guitarist Brian Burns,
> with friends Tommy Alverson and Davin James.
>
> 6:00 - 8:00 pm?AMERICAN FOUNDATION FOR THE BLIND
> INTRODUCES AccessWorld  EVERY MONTH AND NEW ONLINE COMMUNITY RESOURCES
> Peacock Terrace, West Wing
> You are invited to our informational reception.
> Announcing AFB AccessWorld, every month?more
> authors, more information, more often.
> CareerConnect, FamilyConnect, and SeniorSite
> offer newly-expanded opportunities. Network with
> families, seniors, and successful mentors. We look forward to meeting you.
>
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>    TUESDAY, JULY 6, Continued
>
> 6:00 - 9:00 pm?DEAFBLIND DIVISION BUSINESS MEETING & ELECTIONS
> Obelisk B Room, Atrium mezzanine
>     6:00 pm?Registration; 7:00 pm?Meeting begins
> Burnell Brown, President
>
> 6:30 - 8:00 pm?MUSIC TECH WORKSHOP
> Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Conducted by Cameron Strife; presented by the NFB Performing Arts Division
>
> 6:30 - 9:00 pm?COLORADO CENTER FOR THE BLIND OPEN HOUSE
> Topaz Room, Tower lobby
> Discover how good training can change your life. Julie Deden, Director
>
> 7:00 - 8:00 pm?ASTRONOMY AT YOUR FINGERTIPS (Ages 6-14)
> Morocco Room, Tower mezzanine
> Fun-filled astronomy-related activities in an
> out-of-this-world workshop!  Instructor: Noreen Grice
>
> 7:00 - 8:30 pm?BOOKSHARE AT NFB MEMBER PARTY
> Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Enjoy snacks and refreshments while meeting the
> Bookshare staff. This is your opportunity to talk
> with us and share your ideas; we?re here to
> listen.  Plan to have fun with contests,
> drawings, and interacting with your fellow
> members.  We look forward to seeing you.
>
> 7:00 - 8:30 pm?NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS
>          IEP Workshop for Beginners
>          Madrid Room, Tower mezzanine
>          Focusing on evaluations, goals, strategies, and the law.
>          Instructor: Carlton Walker
>
>          Getting to Yes
>          Manchester Room, Tower mezzanine
>          Getting the team to work together so that it benefits your child.
>          Instructor: Dan Frye
>
>          Tactile Maps and the Development of Spatial Awareness
>          Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
>          Exploring ways to promote the development of spatial awareness.
>          Instructor: Debbie Kent Stein
>    TUESDAY, JULY 6, Continued
>
> 7:00 - 9:00 pm?NFB KRAFTERS DIVISION BUSINESS MEETING
> Fleur-de-lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Unveiling new craft initiatives, including
> discussion on classes available via telephone
> conference and information on our Monday night
> nationwide chats. We are seeking teachers and students for crafting classes.
> Joyce Kane, President
>
> 7:00 - 9:00 pm?LEGISLATIVE STRATEGIES SEMINAR:
> MOVING LEGISLATION ON THE STATE AND NATIONAL LEVEL
> Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Each affiliate should send one representative.
> Learn the best methods of increasing support for
> our legislative priorities.  Changing lives
> through laws is our business. Led by Jesse
> Hartle, Lauren McLarney, and Ronza Othman
>
> 7:00 - 10:00 pm?A SPECIAL EVENING FOR SPONSOR-LEVEL EXHIBITORS
> Khmer Pavilion, Atrium, Third Level
> The exhibit hall reopens for an evening dedicated
> solely to sponsor-level exhibitors. Come and
> bring a guest to say ?thank you? to our sponsors and to
> enjoy their interesting offers and
> demonstrations. Our convention sponsors are:
> Title: Deque Systems, Inc.; Platinum: HumanWare
> and UPS; Gold: Freedom Scientific and Oracle;
> Silver: Adobe; Bronze: National Industries for
> the Blind (NIB); and Exhibit Hall: En-Vision
> America, GW Micro, Inc., Independence Science,
> LLC, Independent Living Aids (ILA), Intel
> Corporation, Olympus, Recording for the Blind &
> Dyslexic (RFB&D), Sendero Group, and Vanda Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
>
> 7:00 - 10:00 pm?THE BEST THROWBACK PARTY AND
> DANCE EVER!   NFB YOUTH TRACK (Ages 14-18)
> Metropolitan Ballroom, Tower mezzanine
> Choose your favorite decade and come dressed in
> your best digs.  Compete in hula hoop contests,
> learn the ?YMCA,? or show us your best moon walk
> while dressed as the late Michael Jackson in the
> 80?s.  Prizes will be given to the best-dressed
> or most creative throwback participants.
>
> 8:00 - 9:00 pm?BEP: U.S. CURRENCY IDENTIFICATION
> FOCUS GROUP Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Representatives of the U.S. Dept. of the
> Treasury?s Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP)
> and the Office of Product Development provide an
> update on BEP?s progress to provide blind
> individuals with access to U.S. currency and
> discuss concepts it is currently testing.
> (Session Two: Wednesday at 7:00 pm.)
>    TUESDAY, JULY 6, Continued
>
> 8:00 - 9:00 pm?PERFORMING ARTS DIVISION SEMINAR
> Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
> A seminar on division development; discuss the
> future of the Performing Arts Division and ways
> to make it even better.  Conducted by division
> board member, Jordy Stringer.  Dennis H.R. Sumlin, President
>
> 8:30 - 9:30 pm?HOW TO HOLD A VOTER REGISTRATION DRIVE IN SIX EASY STEPS
> Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Learn how to plan and host a voter registration
> drive that will attract new members to your
> chapter and serve your local community.
> Coordinator: Lou Ann Blake, NFB Jernigan Institute
>
> 8:30 - 10:00 pm?NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS
>
>          IEP Workshop for Veteran Parents
>          Madrid Room, Tower mezzanine
>          Instructor: Carlton Walker
>
>          Testing and Accommodations
>          Manchester Room, Tower mezzanine
>          Instructors: Barbara Mathews and a representative of the College
> Board
>
>          Adapting and Creating Useable Materials for Students
>          Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
>          Instructor: Pat Renfranz
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>    WEDNESDAY, JULY 7, 2010
>
> 8:00 - 8:45 am?DEVOTIONS
> Sapphire Room, Tower lobby
>
> 8:15 8:45 am?REGISTRATION ($20)?Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby
>
>
>
>          GENERAL SESSION
>
> 9:00 am INVOCATION
>
> 9:05 am ELECTIONS
>
> 9:50 am THE APEX AND OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AT HUMANWARE
> Gilles Pepin, Chief Executive Officer, HumanWare; Drummondville, Canada
>
> 10:10 am        THE FAILURE OF THE EDUCATIONAL
> SYSTEM IN MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE BLIND
>
> MARK RICCOBONO, Moderator; Executive Director,
> National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute; Baltimore, Maryland
>
> SHEILA AMATO, Ed.D., University Teacher Trainer; Massapequa Park, New York
>
> NOREEN GRICE, Founder and President of You Can Do
> Astronomy, LLC; New Britain, Connecticut
>
> LAURA WEBBER, Secretary, National Organization of
> Parents of Blind Children; Houston, Texas
>
> ERIC VASILIAUSKAS, M.D., parent and advocate; Los Angeles, California
>
> 11:10 am        ASSURING INTERNET ACCESSIBILITY
> Preety Kumar, Chief Executive Officer, Deque Systems, Inc.; Reston, Virginia
>
>
>    WEDNESDAY, JULY 7, Continued
>
> 11:30 am        REPORTS AND RESOLUTIONS
>
> 12:00 pm        ADJOURN
>
>
>
> 12:00 noon 12:30 pm and 1:30 - 2:00 pm?REGISTRATION ($20)
> Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby
>
> 12:00 noon - 1:45 pm?INDEPENDENCE MARKET AND
> SHOWROOM OF INNOVATION (Final time period to be
> open)?Grand Ballroom, Atrium lobby
>
> 12:00 noon 1:45 pm?EXHIBITS?Khmer Pavilion, Atrium, third level
>
>
>
>          GENERAL SESSION
>
> 2:00 pm CALL TO ORDER
>
> 2:05 pm FINANCIAL REPORT
>
> 3:05 pm STRATEGIC INITIATIVES REPORT
> John Par?, Executive Director for Strategic
> Initiatives, National Federation of the Blind; Baltimore, Maryland
>
> Jesse Hartle, Governmental Affairs Specialist,
> National Federation of the Blind; Baltimore, Maryland
>
> Lauren McLarney, Governmental Affairs Specialist,
> National Federation of the Blind; Baltimore, Maryland
>
> 3:35 pm REPORTS, RESOLUTIONS, AND OTHER BUSINESS
>
> 5:00 pm ADJOURN
>
>
>
>
>    WEDNESDAY, JULY 7, Continued
>
> 7:00 - 8:00 pm?BEP: U.S. CURRENCY IDENTIFICATION
> FOCUS GROUP Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Representatives of the U.S. Dept. of the
> Treasury?s Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP)
> and the Office of Product Development provide an
> update on BEP?s progress to provide blind
> individuals with access to U.S. currency and
> discuss concepts it is currently testing.
>
> 7:00 - 8:15 pm?EXPERIENCE THE BLIO READER: MAKING
> THE WORLD?S BOOKS ENJOYABLE, USABLE, AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
> Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Presented by James Gashel
>
> 7:00 - 8:30 pm?NFB IMAGINATION FUND GRANT-WRITING SEMINAR
> Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Each affiliate should send at least one
> representative to this seminar. Learn to plan,
> write, and submit a strong grant application;
> discover key points and strategies about how to
> identify appropriate funders and submit a winning
> proposal.  Mark A. Riccobono, Executive Director, NFB Jernigan Institute
>
> 7:00 - 9:00 pm?WHAT?S NEW WITH NFB-NEWSLINE?
> Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Learn about the NFB?s free audible newspaper
> service for the blind and visually
> impaired.  Topics cover Podable News, the new
> voices, the new on-demand article request
> feature, and more.  Sign up for NFB-NEWSLINE? at its exhibit hall table.
>
> 7:00 9:00 pm??SOCIAL SECURITY AND SUPPLEMENTAL
> SECURITY INCOME: WHAT APPLICANTS, ADVOCATES, AND
> RECIPIENTS SHOULD KNOW? SEMINAR
> Sapphire Room, Tower lobby
> Topics: Social Security and SSI benefits,
> including eligibility criteria, the application
> process, reporting obligations, and appeals
> process.  Also get information on the Medicare
> prescription drug benefit income subsidy program.
> Presenter: Ronza Othman
>
>
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>
>
>    WEDNESDAY, JULY 7, Continued
>
> 7:00 10:00 pm?EXHIBITS?Khmer Pavilion, Atrium third level
>
> 7:00 - 11:00 pm?TENTH ANNUAL SHOWCASE OF TALENT?Fee: $5.00
> Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby
> Register early by contacting Performing Arts
> Division leaders at the convention by Tuesday.
> Proceeds benefit the division?s scholarship
> program and other programs. Sponsored by the
> Performing Arts Division; Dennis H.R. Sumlin, President
>
> 7:00 - 11:00 pm?NON 24-HOUR SLEEP WAKE DISORDER SEMINAR
> Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Circadian rhythm sleep disorders in totally blind
> people. Total loss of light perception prevents
> synchronization of circadian body clock rhythms
> to the 24-hour day, leading to cyclic insomnia
> and daytime napping. The causes of this sleep
> disorder and possible treatment options will be presented and discussed.
>
> 7:30 - 9:00 pm?INTRODUCTION TO ORACLE SIEBEL CALL CENTER
> Obelisk B Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Don Mauck, Accessibility Evangelist at Oracle,
> will demonstrate the accessibility features built
> into the Oracle Siebel Call Center. Oracle CRM
> products are used by more than 4,000 enterprises
> and more than 4.6 million business users; these
> enterprises represent potential employment opportunities for the blind.
>
> 8:00 - 9:00 pm?FRIENDS OF RECOVERY MEETING
> Library Room, Tower mezzanine
> All convention delegates involved in or
> interested in twelve-step recovery programs are
> invited to attend.  Gary Ray, Coordinator
>
> 8:00 - 10:00 pm?COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOBILE AND
> PEDESTRIAN SAFETY (CAPS); Deborah Kent Stein, Chairperson
> Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
>
> 8:00 - 10:00 pm?COMMITTEE ON RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT
> Rosetta Room, Atrium mezzanine
> For the most part, technological developments
> tend to exclude blind people.  Developers must
> change the ways future technologies are
> designed.  Join us?perhaps you can suggest a
> technology or approach that nobody else has
> considered.  Curtis Chong, Chairperson
>
>
>    WEDNESDAY, JULY 7, Continued
>
> 8:00 - 11:30 pm?MONTE CARLO NIGHT
> Metropolitan Ballroom, Tower mezzanine
> Try your luck at any of the usual card games found on a casino floor.
> Sponsored by the National Association of Blind Students
>
> 8:30 - 9:45 pm?EXPERIENCE THE BLIO READER: MAKING
> THE WORLD?S BOOKS ENJOYABLE, USABLE, AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
> Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
> Presented by James Gashel
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>    THURSDAY, JULY 8, 2010
>
> 8:00 - 8:45 am?DEVOTIONS
> Sapphire Room, Tower lobby
>
> 8:15 8:45 am?REGISTRATION ($20)?Final opportunity to register.
> Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby
>
>
>
> GENERAL SESSION
> 9:00 am INVOCATION
>
> 9:05 am BUYING AND SELLING ONLINE: EBAY BUILDS
> ACCESSIBILITY FOR THE BLIND INTO ITS PLATFORM
> Dane Glasgow, Vice President, Buyer Experience
> Product Management, Ebay, Inc.; San Jose, California
>
> 9:20 am BRAILLE IS LITERACY
> Deane Blazie, Inventor; Hobe Sound, Florida
>
> 9:35 am EIGHTY-FOUR LANGUAGES AND GROWING
> Frank Kurt Cylke, Director, National Library
> Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped,
> Library of Congress; Washington, D.C.
>
> David Fernandez-Barrial, Foreign Language
> Librarian, National Library Service for the Blind
> and Physically Handicapped, Library of Congress; Washington, D.C.
>
> 9:55 am QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION
>
> 10:00 am        EDUCATING BLIND CHILDREN: CHANGING THE PARADIGM
> Fredric K. Schroeder, Ph.D.; Research Professor;
> San Diego State University; Vienna, Virginia
>
> 10:20 am        TOWARD FULL EMPLOYMENT FOR BLIND AMERICANS
> Lynnae Ruttledge, Commissioner, Rehabilitation
> Services Administration, United States Department
> of Education; Washington, D.C.
>
>
>
>    THURSDAY, JULY 8, Continued
>
> 10:35 am        ACCESSIBLE EDUCATION FOR ALL,
> INCLUDING THE BLIND: MEETING THE STANDARD
> Jessica Finnefrock, Senior Vice President,
> Product Development, Blackboard; Washington, D.C.
>
> 10:50 am        ACCESSIBLE DESIGN, A MODEL FOR THE FUTURE
> Steve Eastman, President, Target.com; Minneapolis, Minnesota
>
> 11:05 am        LOCATION-BASED SERVICES USING BUS
> STOP AND GEOCODED MEDIA CONTENT
> Mike May, Chief Executive Officer, Sendero Group; Davis, California
>
> 11:20 am        BLIND CAR BUILDER? WE?RE HERE TO TELL YOU!
> Marcus Simmons, Chief Executive Officer, Simmons
> BOSS CREATIONS; Southfield, Michigan
>
> 11:35 am        REPORTS AND RESOLUTIONS
>
> 12:00 pm        ADJOURN
>
>
>
> 12:00 noon - 1:45 pm?HAM RADIO GROUP BUSINESS MEETING
> Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
> D. Curtis Willoughby (ka0vba), Chairperson
>
> 12:00 noon - 1:45 pm?RAFFLES AND DRAWINGS
> Sapphire Room, Tower lobby
>
> 12:15 - 1:45 pm?EVERYTHING YOU'VE EVER WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THE NLS
> Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
> A question-and-answer session with Frank Kurt Cylke, Director, and staff of
> the
> National Library Service for the Blind and
> Physically Handicapped, Library of Congress.
>
>
>
>
>    THURSDAY, JULY 8, Continued
>
>
>
>          GENERAL SESSION
>
> 2:00 pm CALL TO ORDER
>
> 2:05 pm COPYRIGHT AND THE RIGHT TO READ
> Marybeth Peters, Esq., Register of Copyrights,
> Library of Congress, Copyright Office; Washington, D.C.
>
> 2:20 pm THE FUTURE OF BOOKS AND BEYOND
> Ray Kurzweil, President and Chief Executive
> Officer, K-NFB Reading Technology, Inc.; Wellesley Hills, Massachusetts
>
> 2:40 pm CALLING ALL DRIVERS: ADVANCING
> LEADERSHIP, COLLECTIVE ACTION, AND THE BOUNDARIES OF INDEPENDENCE
> Mark Riccobono, Executive Director, National
> Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute; Baltimore, Maryland
>
> 3:00 pm THE INTERFACE THAT TOUCHES THE MIND:
> ADVANCING BEYOND AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES
> Dennis Hong, Ph.D., Director, Robotics and
> Mechanisms Laboratory, Virginia Polytechnic Institute; Blacksburg, Virginia
>
> 3:15 pm A PRACTICING BLIND PHYSICIAN
> Timothy Cordes M.D./Ph.D., Resident in
> Psychiatry, University of Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics; Madison, Wisconsin
>
> 3:30 pm DR. JACOB BOLOTIN AWARD
> Gary Wunder, Chairperson, Dr. Jacob Bolotin Award
> Committee, and Secretary, National Federation of the Blind; Columbia,
> Missouri
>
> 4:10 pm DISABILITY POLICY FROM THE WHITE HOUSE
> Kareem Dale, Special Assistant to the President
> on Disability Policy; Washington, D.C.
>
> 4:25 pm REPORTS AND RESOLUTIONS
>
>
>    THURSDAY, JULY 8, Continued
>
> 5:00 pm ADJOURN
>
>
>
> 7:00 pm?BANQUET
> Chantilly Ballroom, Tower lobby
> INVOCATION
> MASTER OF CEREMONIES:  Fredric K. Schroeder
> INTRODUCTIONS AND PRESENTATIONS
> BANQUET ADDRESS: Marc Maurer
> SCHOLARSHIP AWARDS
>
> 11:00 pm?SCIENCE FICTION MEETING
> All persons interested in science fiction and
> fantasy are welcome to join in an open
> discussion.  Please contact Ed Meskys for room location.
>
>
>   Thank You...
>
>          The National Federation of the Blind
> acknowledges with gratitude our Title, Platinum,
> Gold, Silver, Bronze, and Exhibit Hall Convention
> Sponsors below. Their messages follow.
>
> Title Sponsor:
> Deque Systems, Inc.
>
> Platinum Sponsors:
> HumanWare
> UPS
>
> Gold Sponsors:
> Freedom Scientific
> Oracle
>
> Silver Sponsor:
> Adobe
>
> Bronze Sponsor:
> National Industries for the Blind (NIB)
>
> Exhibit Hall Sponsors:
> En-Vision America
> GW Micro, Inc.
> Independence Science, LLC
> Independent Living Aids (ILA)
> Intel Corporation
> Olympus
> Recording for the Blind & Dyslexic (RFB&D)
> Sendero Group
> Vanda Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
>
>
>
>                          David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
> Follow me on Twitter:  http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 19:39:46 -0400
> From: Katy Carroll <kc2992a at student.american.edu>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] disability law programs
> Message-ID:
> 	<AANLkTikTRvMVJ6KDLON9SWsQlVr4d78gizS3ha5Q8q9W at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi all,
>
> I remember someone not too far back asking which law schools have disability
> law programs. At the time, I only knew about Syracuse University and
> American University, but I recently found a directory of Disability Programs
> at law schools provided by the American Bar Association and thought I would
> share.
> The website is:
>
> http://new.abanet.org/disability/Pages/lawschools.aspx
>
> Enjoy!
>
> --
> Kathryn CARROLL
> BlueLaw International LLP
> 703-647-7508
> Cell: 631-521-3018
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 19:45:04 -0500
> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org,
> Subject: [nabs-l] 2010 NFB convention agenda in DAISY format
> Message-ID: <auto-000154486128 at mailfront2.g2host.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
>
>>From: Greg Kearney <gkearney at gmail.com>
>>Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 14:15:55 +0800
>>To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
>><dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>,  president at nfbutah.org, nfbnj
>>  <nfbnj at comcast.net>
>>Subject: [Dtb-talk] 2010 NFB convention agenda in DAISY format
>>
>>Once again we have undertaken to produce the NFB convention agenda
>>in DAISY format. The 2010 NFB convention agenda can be downloaded
>>from the following web page:
>>
>>www.guidedogswa.org
>>
>>The DAISY version features the following navigation features.
>>
>>Major sections are at the first navigation level.
>>Days are at the second navigation level.
>>Agenda items are at the third navigation level.
>>
>>See you all in Dallas.
>>
>>
>>Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
>>Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
>>PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100
>>Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
>>Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
>>Email: greg.kearney at guidedogswa.com.au
>>Email: gkearney at gmail.com
>>
>
>                          David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
> Follow me on Twitter:  http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 19:57:46 -0500
> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] F2010 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium
> Message-ID: <auto-000154486198 at mailfront2.g2host.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
>
>>From: "Blake, Lou Ann" <LBlake at nfb.org>
>>To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>Subject: [blindlaw] 2010 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium
>>
>>Dear Blindlaw list members:
>>
>>Links to recordings of the plenary sessions and keynote addresses from
>>the 2010 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium are now available on
>>the symposium Web page.  Go to http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Law_Symposium.asp
>>to hear:
>>
>>Theme Keynote Address
>>
>>Tony Coelho, Chairman of the Board, American Association of People with
>>Disabilities
>>
>>
>>
>>Panel I--Changing the Game
>>
>>Presenter: Richard Brown, Chief Judge, Wisconsin Court of Appeals
>>
>>Presenter: David Ferleger, Esquire, Law Office of David Ferleger
>>
>>
>>
>>2010 Keynote Address
>>
>>Thomas Perez, Assistant Attorney General, Civil Rights Division, United
>>States Department of Justice
>>
>>
>>
>>Panel II--Education Plenary Session
>>
>>Presenter: Leslie Seid Margolis, Managing Attorney, Education Unit,
>>Maryland Disability Law Center
>>
>>Presenter: Mark Weber, Vincent dePaul Professor of Law, DePaul
>>University College of Law
>>
>>
>>
>>Panel III--Caucus/Open Discussion
>>
>>Facilitator: Andrew Imparato, President and CEO, American Association of
>>People with Disabilities
>>
>>
>>
>>Panel IV--Access to Technology Plenary Session
>>
>>Presenter: Dan Goldstein, Partner, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
>>
>>Presenter: Mehgan Sidhu, Esquire, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
>>
>>
>>
>>Panel V--Medical Treatment/Ethics Plenary Session
>>
>>Presenter: Adrienne Asch, Director, Center for Ethics, Yeshiva
>>University
>>
>>Presenter, Dan Brock, Director, Division of Medical Ethics, Harvard
>>Medical School
>>
>>
>>
>>Lou Ann Blake, J.D.
>>Law Symposium Coordinator
>>Jacobus tenBroek Library
>>Jernigan Institute
>>NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
>>200 East Wells Street
>>     at Jernigan Place
>>Baltimore, MD 21230
>>Telephone: (410) 659-9314, ext. 2221
>>Fax: (410) 659-5129
>>E-mail: lblake at nfb.org <mailto:lblake at nfb.org>
>>Web site: www.nfb.org <http://www.nfb.org/>
>>
>
>                          David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
> Follow me on Twitter:  http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:29:11 -0400
> From: Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] disability law programs
> Message-ID:
> 	<AANLkTik8AZAYLtGqqQOiGC7w_DLRI-rmZDwqLrMpS7ym at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi Katy!
> I was the one asking about it and I greatly appreciate your help with this!
> Justin
>
> On 5/31/10, Katy Carroll <kc2992a at student.american.edu> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I remember someone not too far back asking which law schools have
>> disability
>> law programs. At the time, I only knew about Syracuse University and
>> American University, but I recently found a directory of Disability
>> Programs
>> at law schools provided by the American Bar Association and thought I
>> would
>> share.
>> The website is:
>>
>> http://new.abanet.org/disability/Pages/lawschools.aspx
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> --
>> Kathryn CARROLL
>> BlueLaw International LLP
>> 703-647-7508
>> Cell: 631-521-3018
>> _______________________________________________
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:26:25 -0500
> From: Hai Nguyen <gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net>
> To: NFB of Illinois Mailing List <il-talk at nfbnet.org>,
> 	iabs-talk at nfbnet.org,	National Association of Blind Students mailing
> 	list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Now reintroducing the Mobile Access Payment, MAP
> 	Program
> Message-ID: <D1904043-0791-42E5-891C-18C8A514EA00 at sbcglobal.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=windows-1252
>
>
>
> Tuesday, June 1, 2010
> For Immediate Distribution
>
> Sales contact:
> Earle Harrison
> 651-636-5184
> sales at handytech.us
>
>
> Now reintroducing: Mobile Access Payment (MAP) Program
>
> Handy Tech North America in partnership with Code Factory, are pleased to
> reintroduce a new financing option by which consumers may pay for any of the
> Code Factory products over a twelve month period, interest-free.
>
> Are you tired of limited accessibility to mobile devices such as cell phones
> and PDA?s? Have you ever been in a situation where you could have greatly
> benefited from the use of an accessible GPS solution or Mobile screen
> reader, but couldn?t justify the purchase due to the up-front cost? If
> you?ve answered yes to any of these questions, you may be in a position to
> take advantage of HTNA?s Mobile Access Payment Program, MAP. Originally
> unveiled in April of 2009 as the first affordable means of obtaining access
> to mobile accessibility by allowing individuals to purchase mobile screen
> readers and GPS solutions through financing options. The MAP program was
> suspended for a short time due to a few individuals who elected to default
> on their financial commitment and limited recourse in HTNA?s efforts to
> collect on a debt. These few individuals really ruined the program for all
> of the honest people; however, now thanks to a new licensing system put into
> place by Code Factory, the opportunity is once again available.
>
> The Mobile Access Payment (MAP) Program takes the sting out of your pocket
> book and in spite of a struggling global economy, makes this life changing
> technology attainable by people for whom the lump sum expenditure may be
> prohibitive.
>
> United States residents may now purchase the award-winning Mobile Speak 4.0
> mobile screen reader, Mobile Geo 2.5 GPS solution, as well as Mobile Speak
> Adventure and Mobile Speak Gold software bundle packages on the 12 month MAP
> payment program.
>
> This program is currently only available for the United States residents
> purchasing their accessible solutions from Handy Tech North America, a
> company well known for their work in modifying mainstream off-the-shelf
> technology for use by people who are blind or have low vision and their high
> quality of service and support. Thanks to Code Factory?s talented software
> engineers, HTNA?s slogan "It?s all about adapting," now refers to purchasing
> options as well as products.
>
> We're sorry; we are not able to offer hardware products such as mobile
> phones or GPS receivers on the MAP Program at this time. As always, your
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>
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From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com  Wed Jun  2 16:21:34 2010
From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:21:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Elections Conference Call
In-Reply-To: <mailman.59.1275411611.2059.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
References: <mailman.59.1275411611.2059.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <004401cb026f$acce7cb0$066b7610$@com>

Good afternoon,

On Sunday, June6th, at 8:30PM eastern, NABS will be holding a open meeting,
via conference call, to discuss NABS elections rules and procedures.

As you may recall, there was a survey put out to the membership on NABS
elections last fall. The conversation on this call will be directed by the
responses which were provided to questions on that survey.

The purpose of the call is to solicit input and suggestions on NABS'
elections procedures from our membership. Issues of particular interest for
discussion will include:

1) The possibility of a NABS nominating committee
2) The possibility of staggering the elections of officers and board members
differently than the current 7/2 split mandated by the recent constitutional
amendment
3) Basic rules on the conduct of elections, e.g. for how long candidates are
allowed to speak
4) Methods of vote counting; Is it important that only members vote? Is
there an alternative method of vote counting which would allow our elections
to be conducted independently by blind people?

The ad hoc committee charged with presenting election procedure
recommendations to the NABS Board is being CoChaired by Darian Smith and me.
If you have suggestions or input which you would like to share with the
committee and are unable to make the call, please email us at
smwhalenpsp at gmail.com and dsmithnfb at gmail.com.

Karen Anderson and Janice Jeang will also serve on the NABS elections
committee.

Here is the dial in information for Sunday's 8:30 eastern call:

Number: (712) 775-7100
Participant Code: 257963

We look forward to speaking with you on Sunday.

Thank you,

Sean Whalen



From aspooner at blindinc.org  Wed Jun  2 20:03:27 2010
From: aspooner at blindinc.org (Al Spooner)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:03:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] =?utf-8?q?Means_Testing_for_College_Students=C3=BE?=
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W5508544765604E19FD46D6BAD00@phx.gbl>
References: <AANLkTilsVy1G27RZQm37sjjLaNJM9lz7h-_hhbHm0WUF@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL118-W5508544765604E19FD46D6BAD00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <98C7ABB5FEFD4D598D9D5A64C91E45C9@blindinc.local>

Hi Elizabeth,

The Federal RSA regulations state that if you are a SSI recipient, that they cannot require you to contribute financially.  Please see below, taken from the Rehabilitation Act Regulations:

Sec. 361.54 Participation of individuals in cost of services based on financial need.

. . . (3) The designated state unit may not apply a financial needs test, or require the financial participation of the individual . . .
. . . (ii) As a condition for furnishing any vocational rehabilitation service if the individual in need of the service has been determined eligible for Social Security benefits under Titles II or XVI of the Social Security Act.

[Note: Title II (2) is Social Security Disability Insurance, and Title XVI (16) is SSI.] 

Al Spooner
Assistant Director
Outreach and Marketing
Blindness Learning In New Dimensions, Incorporated  (BLIND, Incorporated)
100 East 22nd Street
Minneapolis, MN 55404
Office: 612-872-0100 Ext. 226
Toll Free: 800-597-9558
Fax: 612-872-9358 
Web Site: www.blindinc.org
Office E-mail: aspooner at blindinc.org

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:10 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Means Testing for College Students‏


Hello List,
 
The Michigan Commission for the Blind is currently reviewing the policy they use to provide services to college students. After reviewing the proposed changes, it appears as though the biggest change they want to make to the policy is implementing a means test as a provision of services. Since I live in Michigan, I am not familiar with the various policies that are carried out in different states. Does anyone know if there are any state vocational rehabilitation programs that use means testing for college students, and if so, how means testing impacts the quality of services college students receive from their vocational rehabilitation agency? Additionally, does anyone know where I might be able to find more information about the use of means testing as a provision of services? 
 
One of the main arguments the agency is using to justify a means test is the fact that in most cases the income of the student’s parents is used to determine federal financial aid. They seem to believe that if the parents income is used to determine federal financial aid then the parents income should also be used to determine how much money the student can contribute to his or her vocational rehabilitation program. However, this does not seem right to me, as I believe the main purpose of the vocational rehabilitation program is to serve the individual, in this case the college student, and not necessarily the family as a whole. 
 
I also understand that the vocational rehabilitation agency cannot require individuals to use Social Security benefits to pay for services. Does anyone know if this applies to providing services to college students as well? The Michigan Commission for the Blind claims that by implementing a means test for college students that they are not violating this policy because the student can choose to pay for their portion of services any way they see fit. However, if the only means of income available to the student is through their Social Security benefits, then how else is the student expected to pay for their portion of services? 
 
Their answer to this argument is that if a student chooses to use their Social Security benefits to pay for their portion of services, then that is the students choice. But what they do not seem to understand is that in most cases the student does not have a choice when that is their only source of income. They also seem to believe that this burden should fall on the parents if the student cannot pay their portion of services. But this statement only leads me to believe that they are out of touch with the real world where many people in Michigan are struggling to keep their job, put food on the table, and make the mortgage payments on time if at all.
 
Any information you might be able to provide on this subject would be greatly appreciated. 
 
Thanks,
Elizabeth
 
 		 	   		  
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jun  2 20:22:41 2010
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 16:22:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] tiger braille software
Message-ID: <1AF0A336E99C401998FAA81FD11AD6BC@Ashley>

Hi All,

I might need to use the tiger transcription software to convert print to braille in a volunteer job.  
Has anyone used tiger?  What were your experiences?  Does it work well with jaws?  I know Duxbury braille translation software does.  My understanding is tiger does the same thing as Duxvurry.  

Does tiger translate graphics?  Thanks.

Ashley

From jty727 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  2 21:17:04 2010
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 17:17:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] tiger braille software
In-Reply-To: <1AF0A336E99C401998FAA81FD11AD6BC@Ashley>
References: <1AF0A336E99C401998FAA81FD11AD6BC@Ashley>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinYyqErKranqWhz9XKQTzbQRuh4Ud2SVF7Kjw-V@mail.gmail.com>

I don't have any first hand knowledge of tiger, but I've heard it can
produce the highest quality graphics in tacticle form.
Justin

On 6/2/10, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I might need to use the tiger transcription software to convert print to
> braille in a volunteer job.
> Has anyone used tiger?  What were your experiences?  Does it work well with
> jaws?  I know Duxbury braille translation software does.  My understanding
> is tiger does the same thing as Duxvurry.
>
> Does tiger translate graphics?  Thanks.
>
> Ashley
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From alena.roberts2282 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  3 00:21:17 2010
From: alena.roberts2282 at gmail.com (alena roberts)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 17:21:17 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] tiger braille software
In-Reply-To: <1AF0A336E99C401998FAA81FD11AD6BC@Ashley>
References: <1AF0A336E99C401998FAA81FD11AD6BC@Ashley>
Message-ID: <64C2FC2E-EE25-4975-9CF9-5CA4B4BC4595@gmail.com>

Ashley,

I worked for ViewPlus last summer. The tiger translation does a pretty good job. It is less work than ducksberry ask far as I know. It will translate graphics into tactile graphics, but if you don't have any vision than you won't be able to manipulate the graphics to be changed for the highest contrast. Let me know if you have any other specific questions, and I will do my best to answer them. Which tiger embosser will you be using?

Alena
On Jun 2, 2010, at 1:22 PM, <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I might need to use the tiger transcription software to convert print to braille in a volunteer job.  
> Has anyone used tiger?  What were your experiences?  Does it work well with jaws?  I know Duxbury braille translation software does.  My understanding is tiger does the same thing as Duxvurry.  
> 
> Does tiger translate graphics?  Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
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From JFreeh at nfb.org  Thu Jun  3 00:49:58 2010
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 19:49:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] National Conference of Bar Examiners Discriminates Against
 Blind Law School Graduates
Message-ID: <auto-000156341237@mailfront1.g2host.com>


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

cdanielsen at nfb.org


National Conference of Bar Examiners Discriminates
Against <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = 
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Blind Law School Graduates



Blind Law School Graduates File Complaint Against NCBE



Baltimore, Maryland (June 2, 2010): Three blind 
law school graduates registered to take the 
Maryland general bar exam in July 2010­Timothy R. 
Elder, Anne P. Blackfield, and Michael B. 
Witwer­filed a complaint today against the 
National Conference of Bar Examiners (NCBE) for 
violation of the Americans with Disabilities 
Act.  The complaint was filed because the 
Multistate Bar Examination (MBE), a section of 
the General Bar Examination that is offered and 
disseminated through the NCBE, is inaccessible to 
the blind.  Recent law school graduates must take 
and pass the General Bar Examination to qualify 
to practice law in the state of Maryland.



Each plaintiff asked the Maryland State Board of 
Law Examiners to take all parts of the General 
Bar Examination, including the MBE, on a computer 
equipped with screen access software, which 
converts what is on the screen into synthesized 
speech and magnified text.  The Maryland Board 
agreed to grant the accommodations for the MBE if 
NCBE allowed it to do so.  NCBE, however, refuses 
to allow the requested accommodations.



Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National 
Federation of the Blind, said: “As we have said 
before, those who control admission to the 
practice of law must themselves obey the law.  It 
is unconscionable that NCBE would engage in 
blatant discrimination against the blind and deny 
graduates the accommodations that they need to 
compete on an equal playing field with their 
sighted peers.  We will work tirelessly to ensure 
that all blind people are given their lawful 
right to take the bar exam and continue with their respective careers.”



The plaintiffs are represented with the support 
of the National Federation of the Blind by Daniel 
F. Goldstein and Mehgan Sidhu of the Baltimore 
firm Brown, Goldstein, and Levy; Laurence W. 
Paradis, Anna Levine, and Karla Gilbride of the 
Berkley firm Disability Rights Advocates; and 
Scott C. LaBarre of the Denver firm LaBarre Law Offices.





###





About the National Federation of the Blind

With more than 50,000 members, the National 
Federation of the Blind is the largest and most 
influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United States.  The NFB improves 
blind people’s lives through advocacy, education, 
research, technology, and programs encouraging 
independence and self-confidence.  It is the 
leading force in the blindness field today and 
the voice of the nation's blind.  In January 2004 
the NFB opened the National Federation of the 
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and 
training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind.



From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Jun  3 01:09:39 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 20:09:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Used Technology for Sale
Message-ID: <auto-000154846117@mailfront2.g2host.com>

I have been asked to circulate the following information about the 
availability of some used technology.  I am told he is a very reputable source.

Dave


>From: "Patrick J. Fischer" <pfischer at accessibility.net>
>To: "'David Andrews'" <dandrews at visi.com>
>
>KNFB Mobile reader with a Nokia N86 phone that is new and never 
>registered $1000,
>Humanware victor reader streams for $329.00
>Enhanced Vision Pebble hand-held video magnifier new for $415.00.
>iBills new $99.00
>             Free shipping on these items.
>
>People can contact me at 
><mailto:pfischer at accessibility.net>pfischer at accessibility.net or 
>phone 402-491-3191 and leave message.
>
>Thank you Dave!
>Pat Fischer

                         David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
Follow me on Twitter:  http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920

From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  3 01:16:19 2010
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:16:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] =?utf-8?q?Means_Testing_for_College_Students=C3=BE?=
In-Reply-To: <98C7ABB5FEFD4D598D9D5A64C91E45C9@blindinc.local>
References: <AANLkTilsVy1G27RZQm37sjjLaNJM9lz7h-_hhbHm0WUF@mail.gmail.com>,
	<COL118-W5508544765604E19FD46D6BAD00@phx.gbl>,
	<98C7ABB5FEFD4D598D9D5A64C91E45C9@blindinc.local>
Message-ID: <COL118-W8D695AF8BFF08E2E1651FBAD10@phx.gbl>


Hi Al,

 

Thank you for your response. These regulations should come in handy when making the argument against a means test. But how exactly do you make this argument when the agency isn't exactly calling it a means test though?  and I'm still not quite sure if this answers the question as to whether or not the income of the student's parents would count as a comperable benefit for services as the agency seems to be claiming. I don't know, perhaps I'm posting this on the wrong list, but I just thought I would give it a try I guess. 

 

Elizabeth

 

 
> From: aspooner at blindinc.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:03:27 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Means Testing for College Studentsþ
> 
> Hi Elizabeth,
> 
> The Federal RSA regulations state that if you are a SSI recipient, that they cannot require you to contribute financially. Please see below, taken from the Rehabilitation Act Regulations:
> 
> Sec. 361.54 Participation of individuals in cost of services based on financial need.
> 
> . . . (3) The designated state unit may not apply a financial needs test, or require the financial participation of the individual . . .
> . . . (ii) As a condition for furnishing any vocational rehabilitation service if the individual in need of the service has been determined eligible for Social Security benefits under Titles II or XVI of the Social Security Act.
> 
> [Note: Title II (2) is Social Security Disability Insurance, and Title XVI (16) is SSI.] 
> 
> Al Spooner
> Assistant Director
> Outreach and Marketing
> Blindness Learning In New Dimensions, Incorporated (BLIND, Incorporated)
> 100 East 22nd Street
> Minneapolis, MN 55404
> Office: 612-872-0100 Ext. 226
> Toll Free: 800-597-9558
> Fax: 612-872-9358 
> Web Site: www.blindinc.org
> Office E-mail: aspooner at blindinc.org
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:10 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Means Testing for College Students‏
> 
> 
> Hello List,
> 
> The Michigan Commission for the Blind is currently reviewing the policy they use to provide services to college students. After reviewing the proposed changes, it appears as though the biggest change they want to make to the policy is implementing a means test as a provision of services. Since I live in Michigan, I am not familiar with the various policies that are carried out in different states. Does anyone know if there are any state vocational rehabilitation programs that use means testing for college students, and if so, how means testing impacts the quality of services college students receive from their vocational rehabilitation agency? Additionally, does anyone know where I might be able to find more information about the use of means testing as a provision of services? 
> 
> One of the main arguments the agency is using to justify a means test is the fact that in most cases the income of the student’s parents is used to determine federal financial aid. They seem to believe that if the parents income is used to determine federal financial aid then the parents income should also be used to determine how much money the student can contribute to his or her vocational rehabilitation program. However, this does not seem right to me, as I believe the main purpose of the vocational rehabilitation program is to serve the individual, in this case the college student, and not necessarily the family as a whole. 
> 
> I also understand that the vocational rehabilitation agency cannot require individuals to use Social Security benefits to pay for services. Does anyone know if this applies to providing services to college students as well? The Michigan Commission for the Blind claims that by implementing a means test for college students that they are not violating this policy because the student can choose to pay for their portion of services any way they see fit. However, if the only means of income available to the student is through their Social Security benefits, then how else is the student expected to pay for their portion of services? 
> 
> Their answer to this argument is that if a student chooses to use their Social Security benefits to pay for their portion of services, then that is the students choice. But what they do not seem to understand is that in most cases the student does not have a choice when that is their only source of income. They also seem to believe that this burden should fall on the parents if the student cannot pay their portion of services. But this statement only leads me to believe that they are out of touch with the real world where many people in Michigan are struggling to keep their job, put food on the table, and make the mortgage payments on time if at all.
> 
> Any information you might be able to provide on this subject would be greatly appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Jun  3 01:44:27 2010
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:44:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] tiger braille software
References: <1AF0A336E99C401998FAA81FD11AD6BC@Ashley>
	<64C2FC2E-EE25-4975-9CF9-5CA4B4BC4595@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <92C4BCD86AB54BA08D2ABCFF34C50906@Ashley>

Hi Alena,
What did you do at View plus?
You say the tiger translation translates graphics into
tactile graphics. Which kind of graphics?  Simple diagrams?  I doubt it 
would do pictures.

I don't have enough vision to  manipulate graphics but there would be 
sighted help available.
Does this software have menus and short cut key commands likeDuxbury does? 
For instance emboss is under the file menu  or Control E will bring up the 
emboss dialogue box in
Duxbury.
Thanks.
Ashley
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "alena roberts" <alena.roberts2282 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] tiger braille software


> Ashley,
>
> I worked for ViewPlus last summer. The tiger translation does a pretty 
> good job. It is less work than ducksberry ask far as I know. It will 
> translate graphics into tactile graphics, but if you don't have any vision 
> than you won't be able to manipulate the graphics to be changed for the 
> highest contrast. Let me know if you have any other specific questions, 
> and I will do my best to answer them. Which tiger embosser will you be 
> using?
>
> Alena
> On Jun 2, 2010, at 1:22 PM, <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I might need to use the tiger transcription software to convert print to 
>> braille in a volunteer job.
>> Has anyone used tiger?  What were your experiences?  Does it work well 
>> with jaws?  I know Duxbury braille translation software does.  My 
>> understanding is tiger does the same thing as Duxvurry.
>>
>> Does tiger translate graphics?  Thanks.
>>
>> Ashley
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> nabs-l:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alena.roberts2282%40gmail.com
>
>
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From alena.roberts2282 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  3 02:16:05 2010
From: alena.roberts2282 at gmail.com (alena roberts)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 19:16:05 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] tiger braille software
In-Reply-To: <92C4BCD86AB54BA08D2ABCFF34C50906@Ashley>
References: <1AF0A336E99C401998FAA81FD11AD6BC@Ashley>
	<64C2FC2E-EE25-4975-9CF9-5CA4B4BC4595@gmail.com>
	<92C4BCD86AB54BA08D2ABCFF34C50906@Ashley>
Message-ID: <9037CD50-F02B-4DC3-A79C-B3ABD92C4AB4@gmail.com>

Ashley,

I was in charge of doing social media for them. The tiger software works in microsoft word so it uses their menus and it's own. There are shortcuts, and if you know word, than tiger translation will be easy to use. It can make tactile representations of pictures. That's what the specialty of the tiger embossers is. The dots can have different heights, so that's what gives contrast to the graphics. Does this answer your questions?

Alena
On Jun 2, 2010, at 6:44 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:

> Hi Alena,
> What did you do at View plus?
> You say the tiger translation translates graphics into
> tactile graphics. Which kind of graphics?  Simple diagrams?  I doubt it would do pictures.
> 
> I don't have enough vision to  manipulate graphics but there would be sighted help available.
> Does this software have menus and short cut key commands likeDuxbury does? For instance emboss is under the file menu  or Control E will bring up the emboss dialogue box in
> Duxbury.
> Thanks.
> Ashley
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "alena roberts" <alena.roberts2282 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] tiger braille software
> 
> 
>> Ashley,
>> 
>> I worked for ViewPlus last summer. The tiger translation does a pretty good job. It is less work than ducksberry ask far as I know. It will translate graphics into tactile graphics, but if you don't have any vision than you won't be able to manipulate the graphics to be changed for the highest contrast. Let me know if you have any other specific questions, and I will do my best to answer them. Which tiger embosser will you be using?
>> 
>> Alena
>> On Jun 2, 2010, at 1:22 PM, <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I might need to use the tiger transcription software to convert print to braille in a volunteer job.
>>> Has anyone used tiger?  What were your experiences?  Does it work well with jaws?  I know Duxbury braille translation software does.  My understanding is tiger does the same thing as Duxvurry.
>>> 
>>> Does tiger translate graphics?  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alena.roberts2282%40gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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From sunspot005 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  3 07:04:07 2010
From: sunspot005 at gmail.com (Peter Wolfe)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 02:04:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] An Intro
Message-ID: <AANLkTimhY8qTK1M66bQ8l47AjufcEJ597fdgdBK6VENw@mail.gmail.com>

-- 
Peter
Webmaster
http://www.darkstruggle.com
webmaster at darkstruggle.com
alternative e-mail
sunspot005 at gmail.com

To NABS:


    My name is Peter, who is a blind college student at Auburn
University. My major in my junior year is social science/history
education with no minor. However, I'm doing research into changing it
into computer scinece/computer informational systems or software
engineering. If any of you are the aforementioned three of computers
in your under graduate degree, can you please e-mail me? I use
Window-Eyes 7.2, XP, and have a relatively fast internet speed. I am
looking for some general guidelines in taking calculus in college at a
four  year university from a precalculus without taking neimith cause
of going blind later in life. I have several other questions about
which I have concerns about computers that me and you can speak about
when you contact me off list. Thanks for listening to this e-mail.

sincerely, Peter


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Thu Jun  3 13:34:11 2010
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 06:34:11 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs membership committee convention conference call
Message-ID: <AANLkTikPqbCRqDwNR6G_RUr-xDA5aRE-pNwkZxvM3i1Y@mail.gmail.com>

Happy Summer Fellow Students!

  We have made it through yet another school year/semester and  now we
look ahead to the summer and National Convention!
 In preparation for this week-long amazing event,  the national
Association of  Blind Students membership committee is pleased to
present to you a convention conference call.
  On this call, we  will be talking about what generally goes on
during  convention including the ajenda for the student meeting and
other  must- visits and experiences as a part of  the action- packed
week that will be.
 So, bring your questions and advice to our final conference call
before we all make our way to Dallas Texas.

 Call Info:
 When: Sunday, June 6,
 Time 7p.m. EST
Phone number: 712.775.7100 passcode 257963

 Of course, the call will also be streamed and archived for your
listening pleasure should you be unable to  join the conversation.
 As always, thank you for your support, and we look forward to
speaking with you all on Sunday!
 The Nabs membership committee









-- 
Darian Smith
Skype: The_Blind_Truth
Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com
“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are
spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin


From aspooner at blindinc.org  Thu Jun  3 13:41:46 2010
From: aspooner at blindinc.org (Al Spooner)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 08:41:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] =?iso-8859-1?q?Means_Testing_for_College_Students=FE?=
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W8D695AF8BFF08E2E1651FBAD10@phx.gbl>
References: <AANLkTilsVy1G27RZQm37sjjLaNJM9lz7h-_hhbHm0WUF@mail.gmail.com>,
	<COL118-W5508544765604E19FD46D6BAD00@phx.gbl>,
	<98C7ABB5FEFD4D598D9D5A64C91E45C9@blindinc.local>
	<COL118-W8D695AF8BFF08E2E1651FBAD10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4A8A811F193541FEB25B089105640605@blindinc.local>

Hi Elizabeth,

Well, I would hope that this thread might be helpful to other students that
may be faced with this situation sometime in the future, but if you would
like to e-mail me directly, that would be just fine too.  My e-mail address
is: aspooner at blindinc.org

Without having all of the details of your situation, current living
arrangements and more specifics regarding your current college status and
situation, etc., I can only give you some general parameters.

The law is quite clear, as an adult receiving SSI you are not obligated to
contribute financially, regardless of what the VR agency wants to call it.  

They cannot include your parent's income.  They may argue that you are
living with them (I do not know if you are or not), but if you are, they see
this as you being supported by this family income.  This is a little grey
area, but ultimately if you can provide evidence to them that you are
self-supporting, (using your SSI as your means of support) then this
evidence is the proof that you are not receiving financial support from your
family.  

If you are using only your SSI for support, and living in an apartment or
dorm during college, the time that you spend in the summer with your parents
should not be considered as financial support either.  You can avoid this
possibility even further by paying your parents a small amount for rent
while you are there.

Al Spooner
Assistant Director
Outreach and Marketing
Blindness Learning In New Dimensions, Incorporated  (BLIND, Incorporated)
100 East 22nd Street
Minneapolis, MN 55404
Office: 612-872-0100 Ext. 226
Toll Free: 800-597-9558
Fax: 612-872-9358 
Web Site: www.blindinc.org
Office E-mail: aspooner at blindinc.org

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Elizabeth
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:16 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Means Testing for College Students


Hi Al,

Thank you for your response. These regulations should come in handy when
making the argument against a means test. But how exactly do you make this
argument when the agency isn't exactly calling it a means test though?  and
I'm still not quite sure if this answers the question as to whether or not
the income of the student's parents would count as a comperable benefit for
services as the agency seems to be claiming. I don't know, perhaps I'm
posting this on the wrong list, but I just thought I would give it a try I
guess. 

 

Elizabeth

 

 
> From: aspooner at blindinc.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:03:27 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Means Testing for College Studentsþ
> 
> Hi Elizabeth,
> 
> The Federal RSA regulations state that if you are a SSI recipient, that
they cannot require you to contribute financially. Please see below, taken
from the Rehabilitation Act Regulations:
> 
> Sec. 361.54 Participation of individuals in cost of services based on
financial need.
> 
> . . . (3) The designated state unit may not apply a financial needs test,
or require the financial participation of the individual . . .
> . . . (ii) As a condition for furnishing any vocational rehabilitation
service if the individual in need of the service has been determined
eligible for Social Security benefits under Titles II or XVI of the Social
Security Act.
> 
> [Note: Title II (2) is Social Security Disability Insurance, and Title XVI
(16) is SSI.] 
> 
> Al Spooner
> Assistant Director
> Outreach and Marketing
> Blindness Learning In New Dimensions, Incorporated (BLIND, Incorporated)
> 100 East 22nd Street
> Minneapolis, MN 55404
> Office: 612-872-0100 Ext. 226
> Toll Free: 800-597-9558
> Fax: 612-872-9358 
> Web Site: www.blindinc.org
> Office E-mail: aspooner at blindinc.org
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Elizabeth
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:10 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Means Testing for College Students?
> 
> 
> Hello List,
> 
> The Michigan Commission for the Blind is currently reviewing the policy
they use to provide services to college students. After reviewing the
proposed changes, it appears as though the biggest change they want to make
to the policy is implementing a means test as a provision of services. Since
I live in Michigan, I am not familiar with the various policies that are
carried out in different states. Does anyone know if there are any state
vocational rehabilitation programs that use means testing for college
students, and if so, how means testing impacts the quality of services
college students receive from their vocational rehabilitation agency?
Additionally, does anyone know where I might be able to find more
information about the use of means testing as a provision of services? 
> 
> One of the main arguments the agency is using to justify a means test is
the fact that in most cases the income of the student’s parents is used to
determine federal financial aid. They seem to believe that if the parents
income is used to determine federal financial aid then the parents income
should also be used to determine how much money the student can contribute
to his or her vocational rehabilitation program. However, this does not seem
right to me, as I believe the main purpose of the vocational rehabilitation
program is to serve the individual, in this case the college student, and
not necessarily the family as a whole. 
> 
> I also understand that the vocational rehabilitation agency cannot require
individuals to use Social Security benefits to pay for services. Does anyone
know if this applies to providing services to college students as well? The
Michigan Commission for the Blind claims that by implementing a means test
for college students that they are not violating this policy because the
student can choose to pay for their portion of services any way they see
fit. However, if the only means of income available to the student is
through their Social Security benefits, then how else is the student
expected to pay for their portion of services? 
> 
> Their answer to this argument is that if a student chooses to use their
Social Security benefits to pay for their portion of services, then that is
the students choice. But what they do not seem to understand is that in most
cases the student does not have a choice when that is their only source of
income. They also seem to believe that this burden should fall on the
parents if the student cannot pay their portion of services. But this
statement only leads me to believe that they are out of touch with the real
world where many people in Michigan are struggling to keep their job, put
food on the table, and make the mortgage payments on time if at all.
> 
> Any information you might be able to provide on this subject would be
greatly appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
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From jlastar at comcast.net  Thu Jun  3 15:46:35 2010
From: jlastar at comcast.net (Jennifer Applegate)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 10:46:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 44, Issue 2
References: <mailman.21.1275498003.13694.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <89C58B894B46495EB0083FBA070FF6EC@YOURH99HMLEC97>

Hi, my name is Jennifer Applegate, and I am a college student from Texas.  I 
am the secretary of the Houston NFB.  I am looking for a female to room with 
for two nights so that I can let my parents stay in my room for those 
nights.  If anyone can help please email me at jlastar at comcast.net or call 
me at 832-687-5199.
Thanks,
Jennifer Applegate
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:00 PM
Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 44, Issue 2


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> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. NABS Hospitality Night at Convention! (Arielle Silverman)
>   2. Means Testing for College Students? (Elizabeth)
>   3. Re: Means Testing for College Students? (Justin Young)
>   4. Re: Means Testing for College Students? (Jessica)
>   5. Re: nabs-l Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 (Alexander Castillo)
>   6. NABS Elections Conference Call (Sean Whalen)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 19:05:46 -0600
> From: Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com>
> To: arizona-students at nfbnet.org, cabs-talk at nfbnet.org,
> cabs at nfbnet.org, fabs at nfbnet.org, gabs at nfbnet.org,
> iabs-talk at nfbnet.org, kabs at nfbnet.org, nfbkabs at nfbnet.org,
> nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org, la-students at nfbnet.org,
> mi-abs at nfbnet.org, mn-abs at nfbnet.org, mabs at nfbnet.org,
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org, nebraska-students at nfbnet.org,
> new-hampshire-students at nfbnet.org, njabs-talk at nfbnet.org,
> ncabs at nfbnet.org, oabs at nfbnet.org, tabs at nfbnet.org, uabs at nfbnet.org,
> vabs at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Hospitality Night at Convention!
> Message-ID:
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>
> Dear students,
>
> This year at the NFB national convention in Dallas, for the first
> time, the National Association of Blind Students will be hosting a
> hospitality night for students! Come to the Affiliate Action Suite
> (room 2372 at the Hilton Anatole) on Saturday, July 3, between 8:00
> p.m. and midnight for snacks, games, and informal mingling with other
> blind high school, college, graduate and nontraditional students. Feel
> free to drop in and out before or after the Rookie Roundup, karaoke,
> or salsa dancing.
>
> We weren't able to advertise this new NABS event in the main
> convention agenda, so please help us spread the word about the NABS
> hospitality night. Also, if you have ideas or suggestions for
> activities, please pass them along by writing to me off-list at
> nabs.president at gmail.com
> I look forward to seeing many of you in Dallas!
>
> -- 
> Arielle Silverman
> President, National Association of Blind Students
> Phone:  602-502-2255
> Email:
> nabs.president at gmail.com
> Website:
> www.nabslink.org
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 01:10:01 -0400
> From: Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Means Testing for College Students?
> Message-ID: <COL118-W5508544765604E19FD46D6BAD00 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256"
>
>
> Hello List,
>
> The Michigan Commission for the Blind is currently reviewing the policy 
> they use to provide services to college students. After reviewing the 
> proposed changes, it appears as though the biggest change they want to 
> make to the policy is implementing a means test as a provision of 
> services. Since I live in Michigan, I am not familiar with the various 
> policies that are carried out in different states. Does anyone know if 
> there are any state vocational rehabilitation programs that use means 
> testing for college students, and if so, how means testing impacts the 
> quality of services college students receive from their vocational 
> rehabilitation agency? Additionally, does anyone know where I might be 
> able to find more information about the use of means testing as a 
> provision of services?
>
> One of the main arguments the agency is using to justify a means test is 
> the fact that in most cases the income of the student?s parents is used to 
> determine federal financial aid. They seem to believe that if the parents 
> income is used to determine federal financial aid then the parents income 
> should also be used to determine how much money the student can contribute 
> to his or her vocational rehabilitation program. However, this does not 
> seem right to me, as I believe the main purpose of the vocational 
> rehabilitation program is to serve the individual, in this case the 
> college student, and not necessarily the family as a whole.
>
> I also understand that the vocational rehabilitation agency cannot require 
> individuals to use Social Security benefits to pay for services. Does 
> anyone know if this applies to providing services to college students as 
> well? The Michigan Commission for the Blind claims that by implementing a 
> means test for college students that they are not violating this policy 
> because the student can choose to pay for their portion of services any 
> way they see fit. However, if the only means of income available to the 
> student is through their Social Security benefits, then how else is the 
> student expected to pay for their portion of services?
>
> Their answer to this argument is that if a student chooses to use their 
> Social Security benefits to pay for their portion of services, then that 
> is the students choice. But what they do not seem to understand is that in 
> most cases the student does not have a choice when that is their only 
> source of income. They also seem to believe that this burden should fall 
> on the parents if the student cannot pay their portion of services. But 
> this statement only leads me to believe that they are out of touch with 
> the real world where many people in Michigan are struggling to keep their 
> job, put food on the table, and make the mortgage payments on time if at 
> all.
>
> Any information you might be able to provide on this subject would be 
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with 
> Hotmail.
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 01:57:15 -0400
> From: Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Means Testing for College Students?
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTimvECds_rlmlLPArDzOGfHwVjcmf1xuR-NLUwJb at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Hi Elizabeth,
> I live in Rochester, New York and my Vocational Rehab Counselor is out
> of our Buffalo office because for the most part the Rochester Office
> was closed down years ago.  In this office there currently is only one
> main Vocational Counselor who I started with when I was about 15 and
> had for a few months.  Finally when his response to every request
> given was "no" my mom called and asked to be switched and its been
> great ever since.  Now as far as your question, I've been receiving
> services from our Comission for 2 years now and we don't have this
> policy you speak of.  Everything is paid through the state up to a
> certain amount.  For example, they only do $500 for books and supplies
> and up to SState University of New York(SUNY) rates in terms of
> tuition which is little under $2500 per semester(approximately $5,000
> per year).  As their funding source the State gives them a certain
> amount of money per year for Vocational Rehabilatational Services.
> I hope this helps you,
> Justin
>
> On 6/2/10, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello List,
>>
>> The Michigan Commission for the Blind is currently reviewing the policy 
>> they
>> use to provide services to college students. After reviewing the proposed
>> changes, it appears as though the biggest change they want to make to the
>> policy is implementing a means test as a provision of services. Since I 
>> live
>> in Michigan, I am not familiar with the various policies that are carried
>> out in different states. Does anyone know if there are any state 
>> vocational
>> rehabilitation programs that use means testing for college students, and 
>> if
>> so, how means testing impacts the quality of services college students
>> receive from their vocational rehabilitation agency? Additionally, does
>> anyone know where I might be able to find more information about the use 
>> of
>> means testing as a provision of services?
>>
>> One of the main arguments the agency is using to justify a means test is 
>> the
>> fact that in most cases the income of the student?s parents is used to
>> determine federal financial aid. They seem to believe that if the parents
>> income is used to determine federal financial aid then the parents income
>> should also be used to determine how much money the student can 
>> contribute
>> to his or her vocational rehabilitation program. However, this does not 
>> seem
>> right to me, as I believe the main purpose of the vocational 
>> rehabilitation
>> program is to serve the individual, in this case the college student, and
>> not necessarily the family as a whole.
>>
>> I also understand that the vocational rehabilitation agency cannot 
>> require
>> individuals to use Social Security benefits to pay for services. Does 
>> anyone
>> know if this applies to providing services to college students as well? 
>> The
>> Michigan Commission for the Blind claims that by implementing a means 
>> test
>> for college students that they are not violating this policy because the
>> student can choose to pay for their portion of services any way they see
>> fit. However, if the only means of income available to the student is
>> through their Social Security benefits, then how else is the student
>> expected to pay for their portion of services?
>>
>> Their answer to this argument is that if a student chooses to use their
>> Social Security benefits to pay for their portion of services, then that 
>> is
>> the students choice. But what they do not seem to understand is that in 
>> most
>> cases the student does not have a choice when that is their only source 
>> of
>> income. They also seem to believe that this burden should fall on the
>> parents if the student cannot pay their portion of services. But this
>> statement only leads me to believe that they are out of touch with the 
>> real
>> world where many people in Michigan are struggling to keep their job, put
>> food on the table, and make the mortgage payments on time if at all.
>>
>> Any information you might be able to provide on this subject would be
>> greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with
>> Hotmail.
>> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 08:22:45 -0400
> From: Jessica <jess28 at samobile.net>
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Means Testing for College Students?
> Message-ID: <20100602122245.24175.62965 at web2>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"
>
> Elizabeth,
> I have never had to pay anything for any of my vocational
> rehabilitation services and in over the 10 years I've been dealing with
> the state rehab agencies in three different states. First in Utah then
> in Vermont and right now in New York State. The flip side of that is I
> have a friend whom works at the state rehab center in Utah  did have to
> help pay for some of her education because she got some money from the
> death of her grandmother  I believe and plus both of her parents work
> or worked for the state Her mom worked or works at the State Tax
> Commission and Her father was or sitll is working for the University of
> Utah. In fact, the state didn't really have to put any money in to her
> when she attended the University of Utah because the fact that her
> father worked at the University she got a discount on tution and fees
> when she attended  the University.
> Jessica
>
> -- 
> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network.  Visit
> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:04:58 -0400
> From: Alexander Castillo <alexandera.castillo at gmail.com>
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
> Message-ID:
> <AANLkTinTZbAJpnD5RIJdTTGhby_HJGqRSGfn3MWKxVVh at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi list, again I'm asking for books.... Does anyone have an electronic
> copy of Susan Blackmore's Consciousness, and introduction (2004)? I'd
> hate to spend my time scanning if the book is already out there. There
> is an abreiviated copy on bookshare, but this won't do.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Alex
>
> On 6/1/10, nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org <nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to
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>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>    1. Cardtronics Settlement (David Andrews)
>>    2. 2010 NFB Convention Agenda Now Available (David Andrews)
>>    3. disability law programs (Katy Carroll)
>>    4. 2010 NFB convention agenda in DAISY format (David Andrews)
>>    5. F2010 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium (David Andrews)
>>    6. Re: disability law programs (Justin Young)
>>    7. Now reintroducing the Mobile Access Payment, MAP Program
>>       (Hai Nguyen)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 17:42:14 -0500
>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Cardtronics Settlement
>> Message-ID: <auto-000155943358 at mailfront1.g2host.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed
>>
>> I have been asked to circulate the materials below.
>>
>> David Andrews
>>
>>
>>
>> The Proposed Remediation Plan provides as follows:
>> (1)        All Cardtronics-owned ATMs in
>> Massachusetts will be Voice-guided no later than June 30, 2010.
>> (2)        By December 31, 2010, at least ninety
>> percent (90%) of all transactions at covered ATMs
>> occurring within the borders of Massachusetts
>> will occur on ATMs that are Voice-guided.
>> (3)        All Cardtronics-owned ATMs nationally
>> will be Voice-guided no later than December 31,
>> 2010, with the exception of Cardtronics-owned
>> ATMs located in 7-Eleven stores  which will be
>> Voice-guided no later than March 31, 2011.
>> (4)        By March 31, 2011, at least ninety
>> percent (90%) of all transactions at covered ATMs
>> nationally will occur on ATMs that are Voice-guided.
>> (5)        With the assistance of the NFB,
>> Cardtronics has developed enhanced scripts for
>> the great majority of the ATMs it owns.  With the
>> exception of Cardtronics-owned ATMs located in
>> 7-Eleven stores, on or before December 31, 2010
>> Cardtronics will install enhanced scripts on all
>> Cardtronics-owned ATMs, except where it is not
>> technologically feasible to do so, in which
>> cases, on or before December 31, 2010,
>> Cardtronics shall either (i) replace such ATMs
>> with ATMs on which an enhanced script can and
>> will be installed, or (ii) remove such ATMs from
>> the Cardtronics-owned fleet.  Cardtronics-owned
>> ATMs located in 7-Eleven stores will be
>> Voice-guided no later than March 31, 2011. Any
>> script on any Cardtronics-owned ATM, including
>> the enhanced scripts, shall meet the requirements
>> set forth in the definition of ?Voice-guided? and
>> ?Voice-Guidance? set forth in the Final Order[1]
>> and as supplemented in paragraph 6 of this Order.
>> (6)        With the exception of
>> Cardtronics-owned ATMs located in 7-Eleven
>> stores, by December 31, 2010, all
>> Cardtronics-owned Voice-guided ATMs and those
>> merchant-owned, Voice-guided ATMs that
>> Cardtronics designates as making up a portion of
>> the ninety percent (90%) transaction requirements
>> of paragraphs 2 and 4 above, will have tactilely
>> discernible controls, that is, operating
>> mechanisms used in conjunction with speech output
>> that can be located and operated by feel.  When a
>> numeric keypad is part of the tactilely
>> discernible controls, all function keys will be
>> mapped to the numeric keypad and, except for
>> those remaining Wincor ATMs installed in Target
>> stores prior to June 2007, the numeric keypad
>> will have an ?echo? effect such that the user?s
>> numeric entries (other than the entry of a
>> personal identification number) are repeated in
>> voice form.  All tactilely discernible controls
>> will otherwise comply with applicable
>> regulations.  All Cardtronics-owned ATMs located
>> in 7-Eleven stores will meet these requirements no later than March 31,
>> 2011.
>> (7)        With the exception of
>> Cardtronics-owned ATMs located in 7-Eleven
>> stores, by December 31, 2010, all
>> Cardtronics-owned ATMs will have appropriate
>> signage as identified in the Final Order Ex.
>> 1.[2]  All Cardtronics-owned ATMs located in
>> 7-Eleven stores will meet these requirements no
>> later than March 31, 2011.  By December 31, 2010,
>> Cardtronics will send such signage to each of its
>> Merchant-owned customers that operate a
>> Voice-guided ATM (with the exception of those
>> customers for whom Cardtronics physically placed
>> Braille signage on each of the customer?s
>> Voice-guided ATMs after April 9, 2007) requesting
>> that those customers install such signage on
>> their Voice-guided ATMs.  Cardtronics will
>> include a letter from the NFB describing the
>> importance of such signage with its request.  On
>> or before February 1, 2011, Cardtronics will
>> provide the NFB with the approximate date on
>> which it placed signage on each of the
>> Merchant-owned Voice-guided ATMs or sent the appropriate signage by mail.
>> (8)        By December 31, 2012, Cardtronics will
>> cause to have inspected all Cardtronics-owned,
>> non-branded ATMs to ensure that the Voice-guided
>> features of these ATMs are in working
>> condition.  Approximately 10,000 of these
>> inspections shall take place in calendar years
>> 2010 and 2011, with the balance taking place in
>> calendar year 2012.  To the extent Cardtronics
>> can demonstrate to Class counsel that within the
>> first two years of conducting such inspections
>> the Voice-guided features are in compliance with
>> the definition of Voice-guidance, the parties
>> shall meet to discuss the results of these
>> inspections and may agree in writing that
>> Cardtronics shall cause to have inspected a
>> minimum of 1,000 Cardtronics-owned, non-branded
>> ATMs each year for the remainder of the term of
>> the Agreement.  These inspections will be
>> documented in a manner showing that the person
>> conducting the inspection used headphones to
>> listen to the voice script on the
>> ATM.  Similarly, in the course of conducting its
>> routine inspections of Cardtronics-owned, branded
>> ATMs, such inspections shall be documented in a
>> manner showing that the person conducting the
>> inspection used headphones to listen to the voice
>> script on the ATM.  On a monthly basis,
>> Cardtronics shall report the results of all
>> inspections required by this paragraph to Class counsel.
>> (9)        In addition to the reporting
>> requirements identified in the Final Order,[3]
>> Cardtronics will report monthly between June 1,
>> 2010 and December 31, 2011.  For the period
>> between June 1, 2010 and December 31, 2011,
>> Cardtronics will add to the information it is
>> currently reporting for each Cardtronics-owned
>> ATM whether the enhanced script has been
>> installed on the ATM, as well as the month and
>> year of such installation.  No later than October
>> 31, 2010, for each Cardtronics-owned ATM on which
>> it is not technologically feasible to install an
>> enhanced script, Cardtronics will indicate
>> whether it will replace such ATM with a
>> Voice-guided ATM or remove the ATM from the fleet.
>> (10)      Cardtronics will keep its ATM locator
>> on its website up to date as to whether a covered
>> ATM is equipped with Voice-guidance.
>> (11)      Notice of the Proposed Remediation Plan
>> will be provided to the Class in the manner described below.
>> (12)      In addition to the testing costs set
>> forth in Final Order Ex. 1, Cardtronics will pay
>> $60,000 to the NFB to be used for interim testing
>> and other compliance monitoring by the NFB taking
>> place in 2010 and the first quarter of 2011.  The
>> NFB shall provide Cardtronics with invoices as
>> testing is completed, to be payable by
>> Cardtronics within 30 days of receipt of each invoice.
>> (13)           Cardtronics will pay the NFB
>> $145,000 for the reasonable fees and costs
>> incurred by the NFB as a result of Cardtronics?
>> failure to comply with the Final Order.  This
>> amount includes attorneys? fees and testing costs
>> that the NFB incurred due to the failure of
>> Cardtronics to comply with the Final Order and
>> shall be paid in two equal installments of
>> $72,500, one upon the effective date of this
>> Court?s final approval of the Proposed
>> Remediation Plan and the second 60 days thereafter.
>> (14)           The requirements set forth in
>> Final Order Ex. 1 shall remain in effect, in
>> whole or in part, for eight years from the date
>> of this Court?s final approval of the Proposed
>> Remediation Plan.  The Parties may agree in
>> writing to extend the requirements of Final Order
>> Ex. 1 further or the Court may so order in
>> connection with paragraph 13.3.  Notwithstanding
>> any expiration of Final Order Ex. 1, paragraphs
>> 6, 7 and 13 of Final Order Ex. 1 shall continue
>> to remain in effect in perpetuity.
>> (15)           To the extent that the
>> requirements set forth herein are inconsistent
>> with any provision of Final Order Ex. 1, this
>> Order controls.  All other terms and requirements
>> of the Final Order, including Final Order Ex. 1,
>> will remain in full force and effect.
>>
>>
>>
>> [1]  Final Order Ex. 1 at 4.
>> [2]  See Final Order Ex. 1 at ? 4.2.
>> [3]  See id. at ? 4.4.1.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
>> FOR THE DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS
>>
>> COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS, et al.,
>>                                                  Plaintiffs,
>> v.
>> CARDTRONICS, INC., et al.,
>>                                                  Defendants.
>>
>> )
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Civil Action No. 03-11206-MEL
>>
>>
>>
>> )
>> )
>> )
>> )
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>> )
>> )
>> )
>> )
>>
>>
>> NOTICE OF PROPOSED REMEDIATION PLAN CONCERNING
>> FINAL ORDER RELATING TO CLASS ACTION SETTLEMENT
>> AGREEMENT AND HEARING TO BE HELD ON September 15, 2010 @ 2:30pm
>> TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE NATIONWIDE CLASS CERTIFIED
>> BY THIS COURT TO INCLUDE BLIND PATRONS OF
>> AUTOMATED TELLER MACHINES (?ATMs?) OWNED OR
>> OPERATED BY EITHER CARDTRONICS, INC. OR
>> CARDTRONICS USA, INC. (collectively, ?Cardtronics?)
>>
>> On December 4, 2007, this Court granted final
>> approval of a class action settlement agreement
>> entered into between Plaintiffs, the Commonwealth
>> of Massachusetts, the National Federation of the
>> Blind (?NFB?), and several individual blind
>> persons, and Defendants, Cardtronics, Inc. and
>> Cardtronics, LP (now Cardtronics USA, Inc.)
>> (collectively ?Cardtronics?) concerning, among
>> other things, the accessibility of ATMs owned or
>> operated by Cardtronics to blind patrons under
>> the Americans with Disabilities Act (?ADA?) and Massachusetts state laws.
>>
>> DUE TO CARDTRONICS? INABILITY TO MEET A NUMBER OF
>> IMPORTANT REQUIREMENTS OF THIS COURT?S FINAL
>> ORDER OF DECEMBER 4, 2007, THE PARTIES HAVE
>> REACHED AGREEMENT ON A PROPOSED REMEDIATION PLAN,
>> SUBJECT TO APPROVAL BY THIS COURT, THAT REQUIRES
>> CARDTRONICS TO MEET ALL OF THEIR PRIOR
>> OBLIGATIONS WITH EXTENSIONS OF TIME TO DO SO,
>> PLUS ADDITIONAL OBLIGATIONS INTENDED TO ENSURE
>> THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE CLASS ENJOY THE BENEFITS
>> SET FORTH IN THE ORIGINAL SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT AND FINAL COURT ORDER.
>> Cardtronics has agreed to a remediation plan that
>> includes, among other actions, ensuring that with
>> the exception of Cardtronics-owned ATMs located
>> in 7-Eleven stores, all ATMs owned by Cardtronics
>> will offer voice guidance through a standard
>> headphone jack located on the face of the ATM by
>> no later than December 31, 2010;
>> Cardtronics-owned ATMs located in 7-Eleven stores
>> will offer voice guidance through a standard
>> headphone jack located on the face of the ATM by
>> no later than March 31, 2011, and that by March
>> 31, 2011, at least ninety percent (90%) of all
>> Transactions at Covered ATMs shall occur on ATMs
>> that are Voice-guided or otherwise accessible to
>> Blind people.  Cardtronics has agreed to develop
>> improved voice-guided scripts for all
>> Cardtronics-owned ATMs to ensure that blind
>> customers can easily access all ATM
>> functions.  Cardtronics has also agreed to
>> institute an inspection program intended to
>> ensure that voice-guided ATMs remain operational
>> for blind customers.  A full copy of the proposed
>> remediation plan is available on the NFB?s
>> website: <http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org and on
>> the Cardtronics? website:
>> <http://www.cardtronics.net/news/nfb_remediationplan.asp.>www.cardtronics.net/news/nfb_remediationplan.asp.
>> The locations of the existing ATMs covered by the
>> Final Order and by the proposed remediation plan,
>> with designation of voice-guidance status, can be
>> obtained through Cardtronics? ATM locator
>> feature, available at
>> <http://www.cardtronics.net/about/atmlocator.asp>www.cardtronics.net/about/atmlocator.asp.
>>
>>
>> As part of the proposed remediation plan and
>> subject to Court approval, Cardtronics has agreed
>> to pay the amount of $145,000 in attorneys? fees
>> to the attorneys representing the class.  These
>> amounts will not detract from Cardtronics duties
>> to provide accessible ATMs to the class.  The
>> Court will conduct a hearing on the motion of
>> class counsel for their attorneys? fees at the
>> date and time set forth in the following
>> paragraph.  Cardtronics has also agreed to pay an
>> additional $60,000 to the NFB for testing that
>> the NFB will conduct to ensure compliance with
>> the remediation plan requirements.
>>
>> YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED, pursuant to Rule 23 of
>> the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure and an Order
>> of the Court dated May 18, 2010, and as
>> thereafter amended that a Final Approval Hearing
>> will be held on September 15, 2010, at 2:30pm,
>> before that Court in the United States
>> Courthouse, One Courthouse Way, Boston,
>> Massachusetts 02210.  The purpose of this Final
>> Approval Hearing is to determine whether the
>> proposed remediation plan should be approved by
>> the Court as fair, reasonable and adequate and
>> whether the application for award of attorneys?
>> fees and reimbursement for expenses should be approved.
>>
>> Class Members who wish to object to the proposed
>> settlement must provide notice of and explanation
>> of their objection in writing to the Court at the
>> address above, with copies to Counsel at the
>> addresses provided below, no later than Monday,
>> August 30, 2010.  Only Class Members filing
>> timely objections may request to present their
>> objections at the Final Approval Hearing.
>>
>> Office of the Massachusetts Attorney General Attn: Maura Healey, Esq.
>> 100 Cambridge Street
>> 11TH floor
>> Boston, MA 02108
>>
>> Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
>> Attn: Sharon Krevor-Weisbaum, Esq.
>> 120 E. Baltimore Street
>> Suite 1700
>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>>
>> Joseph Kociubes, Esq.
>> Bingham McCutchen LLP
>> 150 Federal Street
>> Boston, MA 02110-1726
>>
>> FOR FURTHER INFORMATION, VISIT
>> <http://www.cardtronics.net/news/>www.cardtronics.net/news/
>> OR CONTACT COUNSEL FOR THE PLAINTIFFS:
>>
>> Commonwealth of Massachusetts
>> Office of Attorney General
>> Disability Rights Project
>> (617) 727-2200
>> <http://www.mass.gov/ago>www.mass.gov/ago
>>
>> OR
>>
>> Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
>> (410) 962-1030
>> <http://www.browngold.com/>www.browngold.com
>>
>> EXCEPT AS INSTRUCTED IN THE NOTICE, PLEASE DO NOT CONTACT THE COURT.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dated:  May 18, 2010                          By Order of the
>>                                                              United
>> States District Court
>>                                                              For
>> the District of Massachusetts
>>
>>
>> UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
>> FOR THE DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS
>>
>> COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS, et al.,
>>
>>              Plaintiffs
>>
>> v.
>>
>> E*TRADE ACCESS, INC., et al.,
>>
>>              Defendants
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> CIVIL ACTION NO. 03-11206-MEL
>>
>>
>> FINAL ORDER AND JUDGMENT
>>
>>              Plaintiffs, Commonwealth of
>> Massachusetts, National Federation of the Blind,
>> Inc. (?NFB?), Adrienne Asch, Jennifer Bose, Norma
>> Crosby, Dwight Sayer, Robert Crowley, Jr.,
>> Raymond Wayne, Terri Uttermohlen, and Bryan
>> Bashin, seek final approval of the class action
>> settlement that was approved preliminarily by
>> this Court on July 26, 2007.  See Memorandum and
>> Order Granting Unopposed Motion for Preliminary
>> Approval of Class Action Settlement and for
>> Fairness Hearing (?Preliminary Approval
>> Order?).  Specifically, Plaintiffs have moved the
>> Court for an Order: (1) finding that the class
>> action Settlement Agreement between Plaintiffs
>> and Defendants, Cardtronics, LP, and Cardtronics,
>> Inc. (collectively ?Cardtronics?), is a fair,
>> reasonable and adequate settlement of all of the
>> claims of the class against Defendants,
>> overruling the single objection to the proposed
>> settlement and finding that each class member
>> shall be bound by the Settlement Agreement,
>> including its release; (2) finding that the
>> Notice published to the class satisfies the
>> requirements of due process and Fed. R. Civ. P.
>> 23; (3) approving an award of attorneys? fees and
>> costs by Defendants to Plaintiff, NFB, in the
>> amount of $900,000, as agreed to by the parties;
>> (4) dismissing this lawsuit on the merits and
>> with prejudice as to all claims in the lawsuit
>> against all Defendants; (5) attaching and
>> incorporating by reference the terms of the
>> Settlement Agreement; and (6) retaining
>> jurisdiction of all matters relating to the
>> interpretation, administration, implementation,
>> effectuation and enforcement of the Settlement Agreement.
>> I.          Background
>>              A.        Plaintiffs? Claims
>>              Cardtronics currently owns and/or
>> operates at least 23,300 ATMs throughout the
>> United States, including approximately 15,000
>> ATMs formerly owned and/or operated by Defendant
>> E*TRADE Access, Inc.
>> (?Access?).[1]  Approximately half of these ATMs
>> are owned by independent merchants who are
>> customers of Cardtronics (?Merchant-Owned
>> ATMs?).  This litigation concerns Plaintiffs?
>> request that Cardtronics?s fleet of ATMs be made
>> accessible to and independently useable by blind
>> people through the use of voice-guidance technology.
>>              Some of the ATMs in the Cardtronics
>> fleet already have voice guidance.  Those ATMs
>> that are not currently voice-guided vary in their
>> capacity to be made voice-guided.  Many newer
>> machines have the capacity to be upgraded to
>> provide voice-guidance through a straightforward
>> retrofit process (?Upgradeable ATMs?).  Other,
>> older, machines are not able to be upgraded and
>> must be replaced completely in order to make voice guidance available.
>>              Plaintiffs? Fourth Amended and
>> Supplemental Class Action Complaint (?Fourth
>> Amended Complaint?) alleges that Cardtronics has
>> failed to make all of the ATMs it owns and/or
>> operates accessible to blind individuals in
>> violation of Title III of the ADA, 42
>> U.S.C.    ?? 12181 et seq., and Section 4.34.5 of
>> the Department of Justice Standards for
>> Accessible Design, 28 C.F.R. pt. 36, app. A
>> (?Standards?) (requiring that ATMs be ?accessible
>> to and independently useable by persons with
>> vision impairments?).  Title III is enforceable
>> through a private right of action for injunctive
>> relief and prevailing plaintiffs are entitled to
>> attorneys? fees.  See 42 U.S.C. ?? 12188(a)(1),
>> (2) and 12205.  Plaintiffs have also alleged
>> violations of the Massachusetts Public
>> Accommodations Act (?MPAA?), Mass. Gen. Laws ch.
>> 272, ?? 92A and 98, and the Massachusetts Equal
>> Rights Act (?MERA?), Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 93, ? 103.
>>              Although numerous procedural and
>> substantive disputes have arisen throughout this
>> litigation, the case turns primarily on the
>> vigorously contested issues of whether
>> Defendants? ATMs are in violation of the
>> Standards and, if they are, whether Plaintiffs
>> are entitled to an injunction that would require
>> Cardtronics to install voice-guidance
>> capabilities on all ATMs it owns and/or operates,
>> including Merchant-Owned ATMs.  The lawsuit also
>> includes claims against Defendant E*TRADE Bank,
>> Inc. concerning its banking policies applicable
>> to consumers? use of the Cardtronics ATMs.  These
>> claims are derivative of the claims addressing
>> the accessibility of the Cardtronics ATMs.
>>              B.        Pre-Filing Settlement Negotiations
>>              On June 9, 2003, after lengthy
>> negotiations, the Commonwealth and the NFB
>> entered into a Partial Settlement Agreement
>> (?PSA?) with Defendants Access and E*TRADE Bank,
>> Inc. (collectively ?E*TRADE?), pursuant to which
>> Access agreed to equip the ATMs it owned with
>> voice guidance over a period of two and one-half
>> years.  The parties were not able to reach
>> agreement with respect to Merchant-Owned ATMs.
>>
>>              C.        Litigation
>> On June 23, 2003, the Commonwealth and the NFB,
>> along with several individual blind people and
>> the NFB?s Massachusetts affiliate, filed the
>> present suit against E*TRADE.  From its
>> inception, this litigation has been
>> hard-fought.  As fully detailed in the
>> Preliminary Approval Order, this complex case
>> involved numerous dispositive motions, voluminous
>> document discovery and several significant
>> discovery-related motions.
>> II.        Summary of the Settlement
>>              After an all-day mediation on April
>> 9, 2007, and following further negotiations over
>> the course of more than two months, the parties
>> executed the Settlement Agreement on June 21, 2007.
>>              In summary, the settlement requires:
>>            All Cardtronics-Owned ATMs will be
>> voice-guided by the end of this year, with two
>> exceptions:  a set of approximately 1,600
>> machines that already have voice-guidance, but do
>> not have, as otherwise required by the Settlement
>> Agreement, audible verification of all of the
>> inputs by the ATM user; and a set of no more than
>> 177 machines will be voice-guided by mid-2008.  (Settlement Agreement, ?
>> 3.1.)
>>            As of April 9, 2007 and going forward,
>> Cardtronics will only install Cardtronics-Owned
>> ATMs that are voice-guided.  (Settlement Agreement, ? 3.1)
>>            As of April 9, 2007 and going forward,
>> Cardtronics will only sell or make available to
>> merchants ATMs that are voice-guided.  (Settlement Agreement,       ?
>> 3.2.1.)
>>            Cardtronics will identify the smallest
>> subset of Merchant-Owned ATMs without voice
>> guidance that collectively account for 80% of
>> transactions at Merchant-Owned ATMs (?High Volume
>> Merchants?) and will, within ninety (90) days of
>> approval, offer those merchants that have
>> Upgradeable ATMs the opportunity to upgrade to
>> add voice guidance at no cost, and will offer
>> those merchants whose machines are not
>> upgradeable the opportunity to purchase a
>> voice-guided machine at Cardtronics?s wholesale
>> cost.  (Settlement Agreement, ? 3.2.2.)
>>            Regardless of the outcome of this
>> marketing plan, Cardtronics will ensure that, by
>> July 1, 2010, at least ninety (90) percent of all
>> transactions on the ATMs covered by the
>> settlement occur on voice-guided ATMs.  (Settlement Agreement, ? 3.3.)
>>            After July 1, 2010, Cardtronics will
>> not add or renew any merchant-owned ATMs that are
>> not voice-guided, so that any remaining ATMs
>> constituting less than 10% of transaction volume
>> that are not yet voice-guided will either become
>> so or be eliminated.  (Settlement Agreement, ? 3.3.2.)
>>            Any additional functions that are
>> added to ATMs covered by the settlement will be
>> accessible to blind patrons within ninety (90)
>> days unless Cardtronics believes doing so would
>> not be technically feasible without causing undue
>> burden or delay, in which case the parties are to
>> meet and confer to attempt to eliminate the
>> obstructions to adding such new functions.  (Settlement Agreement, ? 
>> 3.7.)
>>            Cardtronics-owned ATMs acquired after
>> final approval of the settlement agreement shall
>> be voice-guided within two (2) years;
>> after-acquired Merchant-owned ATMs that are
>> Merchant-Owned by High Volume Merchants will
>> receive the upgrade or replacement offers
>> described above.  (Settlement Agreement, ? 3.6.)
>>            Cardtronics will provide web-based
>> information and signage to assist blind patrons
>> in identifying which of its ATMs are
>> voice-guided.  (Settlement Agreement, ?? 4.1, 4.2.)
>>            Cardtronics will report to Class
>> Counsel throughout the term of the Settlement
>> Agreement concerning the number of voice-guided
>> ATMs and the percentage of transactions occurring
>> on such ATMs, and that progress will be verified
>> by Cardtronics and monitored by the NFB.  (Settlement Agreement, ? 4.4.)
>>            Cardtronics must comply with any
>> future regulatory requirements that impose
>> additional requirements, but if regulations
>> require less than the Settlement Agreement, the
>> Settlement Agreement controls.  (Settlement Agreement ?5.1)
>>            Class members will release claims for
>> injunctive relief and attorneys? fees under Title
>> III of the ADA, the MPAA, the MERA, and any other
>> claims held by the named plaintiffs to the extent
>> such claims relate to the accessibility of ATMs
>> to blind people.  Class members also release
>> claims for injunctive relief under state law to
>> the extent it incorporates or is equivalent to
>> Title III.  (Settlement Agreement, ?? 7.1, 7.2.)
>>            Class members (excepting the named
>> plaintiffs) do not release claims for
>> damages.  (Settlement Agreement, ? 7.1.3.)
>>            Cardtronics will pay $900,000 in
>> attorneys? fees to the NFB and make a
>> contribution of $100,000 to the local consumer
>> aid fund of the Massachusetts Attorney
>> General.  (Settlement Agreement, ?? 9.1, 9.2.)
>>              Because the Settlement Agreement
>> applies to all Cardtronics ATMs -- including
>> former E*TRADE ATMs -- it supercedes the earlier
>> PSA among E*TRADE, the Commonwealth, and the
>> NFB.  Although E*TRADE is not a party to the
>> Settlement Agreement, that agreement concludes
>> this litigation and calls for the dismissal with
>> prejudice of all claims in this case against all
>> Defendants.  (Settlement Agreement, ?
>> 2.7(c).)  The implementation of voice guidance on
>> the ATMs makes it unnecessary for E*TRADE Bank to
>> change its policies as sought in the lawsuit.
>>              In the Settlement Agreement, the
>> parties agreed that the Court should retain
>> jurisdiction of this case for purposes of the
>> interpretation, administration, implementation,
>> effectuation, and enforcement of this
>> Agreement.  (Settlement Agreement, ? 2.7(d).)  In
>> addition, Defendants have withdrawn their
>> opposition to Plaintiffs? motion for leave to
>> file a Fourth Amended Complaint (Settlement
>> Agreement, ? 2.1) and the Court has granted the
>> parties? joint motion for certification of a
>> settlement class, which includes all persons who
>> are Blind patrons of ATMs covered by the Settlement Agreement.
>> III.       Preliminary Approval
>>              As mentioned, on July 26, 2007, this
>> Court granted Plaintiffs? Unopposed Motion for
>> Preliminary Approval of Class Action Settlement
>> and scheduled a Fairness Hearing on the proposed
>> settlement for December 4, 2007.  In the
>> Preliminary Approval Order, the Court approved
>> the parties? proposed plan for notifying class
>> member of the settlement, as well as the form of
>> the notice to be utilized for this purpose (?Notice?).
>> IV.       Notice to the Class
>>              The Court finds that the Notice
>> approved in the Court?s Preliminary Approval
>> Order was made available on Cardtronics?s website
>> from approximately August 23, 2007 to November 1,
>> 2007 and that a copy of the Notice was also
>> available on the NFB?s website during that same period.
>> The Court also finds that a copy of the Notice
>> was mailed to a list of over 900 organizations,
>> including a number composed of, and/or focused on
>> the issues of, blind people.   Of those mailings,
>> 36 were returned due to incorrect addresses.  The
>> correct addresses were ascertained for 11 of
>> those returned mailings and the Notice was then
>> sent to those correct addresses.  In addition,
>> the Notice was emailed to 1,036 email addresses
>> relating to the organizations referenced above,
>> with a cover letter requesting that the recipient
>> post and forward the Notice.  Of those emails,
>> 186 were returned as undeliverable.  Fifteen
>> organizations to whom the Notice was emailed
>> notified class counsel that they had forwarded
>> the Notice to other individuals or lists of
>> individuals thought to be class members.  Another
>> ten organizations notified class counsel that
>> they had posted the Notice on their
>> websites.  The NFB sent the Notice to over 50
>> email lists of blind individuals, including lists
>> of blind lawyers, students, and travelers.  In
>> each of these paper and electronic mailings,
>> counsel for the class offered to provide Braille
>> versions of the Notice and/or the Settlement
>> Agreement.  Class counsel ultimately received and
>> honored six requests for Braille documentation.
>> The Court finds further that the Notice was
>> published in the August/September edition of the
>> Braille Monitor, which is the publication of the
>> NFB and is regularly sent to its approximately
>> 50,000 members, among others.  The Notice was
>> also published in the September, 2007, edition of
>> the Braille Forum, as well as in the New York
>> Times, the Los Angeles Times, and USA Today on August 28, 2007.
>> In addition, the Court finds that there has been
>> only one objection to the proposed
>> settlement.  This objection purports to be on
>> behalf of Mason P. James, of Loveland, Texas, and
>> states only that ?[m]e wish to object to the
>> proposed settlement.?  See Objection by Mason P.
>> James (Sept. 27, 2007, Paper No. 270).
>>
>> DISCUSSION
>> I.          The Settlement Agreement is Granted Final Approval.
>>              A court may approve the settlement
>> of a class action only upon finding that it is
>> ?fair, reasonable, and adequate.?  Fed. R. Civ.
>> P. 23(e)(1)(C); see also City P?ship Co. v.
>> Atlantic Acquisition Ltd. P?ship, 100 F.3d 1041,
>> 1043 (1st Cir. 1996) (same).  The First Circuit
>> has recognized a clear policy of encouraging
>> settlements in class action cases, and has stated
>> that ?[w]hen sufficient discovery has been
>> provided and the parties have bargained at
>> arms-length, there is a presumption in favor of
>> the settlement.?  City P?ship, 100 F.3d at
>> 1043.  In determining the fairness,
>> reasonableness and adequacy of a proposed class
>> action settlement, several courts in this
>> district have looked to the following factors set
>> forth in City of Detroit v. Grinnell Corp., 495
>> F.2d 448, 463 (2d Cir. 1974), overruled on other
>> grounds by Missouri v. Jenkins, 491 U.S. 274 (1989):
>> (1) the complexity, expense and likely duration
>> of the litigation; (2) the reaction of the class
>> to the settlement; (3) the stage of the
>> proceedings and the amount of discovery
>> completed; (4) the risks of establishing
>> liability; (5) the risks of establishing damages;
>> (6) the risks of maintaining the class action
>> through the trial; (7) the ability of the
>> defendants to withstand a greater judgment; (8)
>> the range of reasonableness of the settlement
>> fund in light of the best possible recovery; (9)
>> the range of reasonableness of the settlement
>> fund to a possible recovery in light of all the
>> attendant risks of litigation.
>>
>> For all of the reasons set forth in the Court?s
>> Preliminary Approval Order, an analysis of these
>> factors strongly supports this Court?s final
>> approval of the Settlement Agreement as fair,
>> reasonable and adequate.  In addition, this Court
>> overrules the single objection to the proposed
>> settlement, as no reasons were provided for that
>> objection as required by the Notice approved by
>> the Court.  Therefore, this Court also finds that
>> all class members are bound by the Settlement
>> Agreement, including its release provisions.
>> II.        Notice to the Class
>>              Rule 23(e) states that ?notice of
>> the proposed dismissal or compromise shall be
>> given to all members of the class in such manner
>> as the court directs.?  The notice must satisfy
>> Rule 23, as well as due process
>> requirements.  Cf. Besinga v. United States, 923
>> F.2d 133, 136-37 (9th Cir. 1991) (requirements of
>> due process and Fed. R. Civ. P. 23(c)(2)(B) are
>> similar).  ??[I]t is the court?s duty to ensure
>> that the notice ordered is reasonably calculated
>> to reach the absent class members.?  Reppert v.
>> Marvin Lumber and Cedar Co., 359 F.3d 53, 56 (1st
>> Cir. 2004) (citations omitted).  ?When individual
>> notice is infeasible, notice by publication in a
>> newspaper of national circulation . . .  is an
>> acceptable substitute.?  Mirfasihi v. Fleet
>> Mortgage Corp., 356 F.3d 781, 786 (7th Cir. 2004).
>>              This Court finds that the notice
>> program approved in its Preliminary Approval
>> Order and now implemented by the parties was the
>> best notice practicable under the circumstances
>> and satisfied the requirements of due process and
>> Fed. R. Civ. P. 23.  The parties represented that
>> there was no readily accessible list of the
>> potential class members in this case and that
>> such a list likely could not be created without
>> enormous effort and expenditure.  Notice here
>> involved a combination of individual mailing --
>> through the Braille Monitor and Braille Forum to
>> tens of thousands of blind people -- and
>> publication in three newspapers of national
>> circulation:  The New York Times, Los Angeles
>> Times, and USA Today.  Under these circumstances,
>> individual notice was not required in order to
>> satisfy the requirements of due process and Fed. R. Civ. P. 23.
>> III.       Attorneys? Fees and Costs
>>              Class counsel have submitted an
>> Unopposed Petition for an Award of Attorneys?
>> Fees and Costs, pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 23(h)
>> and 54(d)(2).  Specifically, class counsel
>> request that the Court approve an award of
>> attorneys? fees and costs by Defendants to the
>> NFB in the amount of $900,000, the amount agreed
>> to by the parties as part of the class action settlement.
>>              The ADA provides that courts may
>> award the prevailing party its ?reasonable
>> attorney?s fee, including litigation expenses,
>> and costs.?  42 U.S.C. ? 12205.  Rules 23(h)(1)
>> and (2) require that notice and an opportunity to
>> object be provided.  In this case, the Notice
>> sent pursuant to the Preliminary Approval Order
>> included the amount of the fees and provided an
>> opportunity to object and no class member has
>> objected to the proposed fee award.
>>              In evaluating a fee petition in a
>> case such as this, the Court is to consider ?the
>> reasonableness of the hours spent and the hourly
>> rate sought.?  Weinberger v. Great Northern
>> Nekoosa Corp., 925 F.2d 518, 529 (1st Cir. 1991)
>> (quoting In re Spillance, 884 F.2d 642, 647 (1st
>> Cir. 1989)).  After due consideration of the
>> filings of class counsel and the relevant case
>> law cited therein, this Court finds that a fee
>> award in the amount of $900,000 is well within
>> the bounds of reasonableness under the
>> circumstances of this case.  The time spent by
>> class counsel in litigating this complex case
>> clearly was justified.  In addition, the lodestar
>> amount ? calculated by multiplying these hours by
>> reasonable prevailing rates ? is almost twice the
>> amount agreed upon in the settlement.  The Court
>> finds that the hourly rates charged by class
>> counsel are commensurate with the rates charged
>> by Boston attorneys of comparable experience in
>> comparable matters and that the rates actually
>> billed to the NFB were below those rates.  In
>> addition, the award sought is well below the
>> actual amount of fees and costs paid by the NFB
>> in connection with this litigation.  For these
>> reasons, the Court approves the fee award agreed
>> to by the parties as part of the Settlement Agreement.
>> IT IS HEREBY ORDERED, ADJUDGED AND DECREED THAT:
>>              1.         This Court has
>> jurisdiction over the subject matter of this
>> lawsuit and over all of the parties to the
>> lawsuit, including the named Plaintiffs, all
>> members of the class, and Defendants.
>>              2.         The Court adopts and
>> incorporates the findings of the Preliminary
>> Approval Order and hereby approves the Settlement
>> Agreement as fair, reasonable and adequate in all
>> respects.  This is especially so in view of the
>> complexity, expense and probable duration of
>> further litigation, the risks of establishing
>> liability, the intensive arm?s length
>> negotiations of experienced counsel and the
>> reasonableness of the relief obtained,
>> considering the range of possible outcomes and
>> the attendant risks of litigation.
>>              3.         The Court overrules the
>> single objection to the settlement and finds that
>> each class member is bound by the Settlement Agreement, including its
>> release.
>>              4.         The Court finds that the
>> Notice published to the class satisfies the
>> requirements of due process and Fed. R. Civ. P. 23.
>>              5.         The Court finds that the
>> attorneys? fees and costs sought by class counsel
>> are reasonable and approves an award of fees and
>> costs, in the amount of $900,000, as agreed to by the parties.
>>              6.         The Court dismisses this
>> lawsuit on the merits and with prejudice as to
>> all claims in the lawsuit against all Defendants.
>>              7.         The Court attaches hereto
>> as Exhibit 1 and incorporates into this Final
>> Order and Judgment the terms of the Settlement Agreement.
>>              8.         The Court retains
>> jurisdiction of all matters relating to the
>> interpretation, administration, implementation,
>> effectuation and enforcement of the Settlement Agreement.
>>
>>                                      It is so ordered.
>>
>> Dated:
>> _________________________
>>
>>                                             U.S.D.J.
>>
>>
>> 397837
>>
>>
>> [1] On or about June 2, 2004, Cardtronics LP acquired Access?s ATM 
>> business.
>>
>>
>>                          David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
>> Follow me on Twitter:  http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 18:12:32 -0500
>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] 2010 NFB Convention Agenda Now Available
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>> Below is the text of the agenda for the 2010 NFB
>> national convention.  You can also download a
>> fully-formatted Word version from the link below.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.nfb.org/nfb/National_Convention.asp
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>> THE MEMBERS OF THE
>> NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND OF TEXAS
>> WELCOME YOU TO THE
>> 70th ANNUAL CONVENTION OF THE
>> NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
>>
>> Marc Maurer, President
>> National Federation of the Blind
>> 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
>> Baltimore, Maryland 21230
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>> Mary Ellen Jernigan
>> Executive Director for Operations and
>> Chairwoman, Convention Organization and Activities
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>> Angela Wolf, President
>> National Federation of the Blind of Texas
>> 314 East Highland Mall Blvd., Suite 353
>> Austin, Texas 78752
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>> Hilton Anatole Hotel
>> 2201 Stemmons Freeway
>> Dallas, Texas 75207
>> (214) 748-1200
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>>       The 70th annual convention of the National
>> Federation of the Blind is being held in Dallas
>> at the Hilton Anatole Hotel.  As usual, our hotel
>> rates are very good: singles and doubles are $62;
>> triples and quads are $67. In addition to the
>> room rates, there is a fifteen percent occupancy
>> tax.  There is no charge for children under
>> sixteen in the room with parents as long as no
>> extra bed is required.  Proof of convention
>> registration is necessary, including the showing
>> of an NFB registration badge if
>> requested.  Otherwise, regular hotel rates must
>> be paid.  The Hilton Anatole is a non-smoking
>> hotel; smoking is permitted only on the Gossip
>> patio and fifteen feet from any outside entrance.
>>
>> HILTON ANATOLE GEOGRAPHY
>>          The Hilton Anatole consists of two main
>> sections?the Atrium and the Tower. The Atrium
>> section is further divided into Atrium I and
>> Atrium II. At the lobby and mezzanine levels
>> Atrium I, Atrium II, and the Tower are connected
>> so that you can walk from Atrium I at the far
>> east end of the hotel through Atrium II into the
>> Tower at the far west end of the hotel as if it
>> were one building.  During the time of our
>> convention the entire central area of Atrium II
>> at the lobby level will be undergoing substantial
>> renovation.  This renovation will not impact our
>> convention operation in any significant way since
>> there will be a well-defined passageway linking
>> Atrium I with the Tower.  This passageway will
>> run east and west along the south side of Atrium II at the lobby level.
>>       At levels above the mezzanine, Atrium I and
>> Atrium II are contiguous with each other but not
>> with the Tower?that is, to reach the sleeping
>> rooms, you must use either the Atrium elevators
>> or the Tower elevators, depending on which
>> section your room is located in. The Tower
>> sleeping room elevators do not stop at the
>> mezzanine level. The Atrium sleeping room
>> elevators stop at the mezzanine level, and you
>> can reach the mezzanine level meeting rooms above
>> the Atrium I lobby, the Atrium II lobby, and the
>> Tower lobby. However, a flight of six or eight
>> steps links the Atrium II mezzanine and the Tower
>> mezzanine. If these steps are a problem, you can
>> take a separate, single elevator that goes from
>> the Tower lobby to the Tower mezzanine level.
>> This elevator is located just west of the
>> business center in the Tower lobby. At the west
>> end of the Tower mezzanine is a stairway that
>> leads to the Tower lobby. When you come down this
>> stairway, you are facing east, and the Chantilly
>> Ballroom is slightly ahead and on your right.
>>       Atrium I is the farthest-east section of
>> the hotel and sits slightly south of Atrium II.
>> Think of the entire hotel as a high-top tennis
>> shoe lying on its side with the sole running
>> along the north side, the toe pointing west, and
>> the open top to the south. The right angle formed
>> where the back of the shoe meets the sole in the
>> hotel?s architecture is actually cut on the
>> diagonal so that, when entering the hotel on that
>> diagonal, you are facing southwest.  Atrium I is
>> much shorter in its north-south dimension than
>> are Atrium II and the Tower on the east-west
>> axis. After you step into the main entrance, a
>> left turn takes you towards the check-in desk and Atrium I.
>>       If you stand with your back to the check-in
>> desk, you are facing west. Atrium I is on your
>> left, and Atrium II is slightly to your right and
>> straight ahead. The Atrium elevators and stairway
>> and escalators to the mezzanine-level meeting
>> rooms are located just across from the Atrium
>> front desk and main entrance in the general area
>> where the two Atria join.  Access to the
>> temporary passageway between Atrium I and the
>> Tower will be located here also.
>>       The lobby level of Atrium I and the area
>> south of the temporary Atrium II passageway
>> contains several meeting rooms, a brand new
>> restaurant called the Media Grill & Bar, and the
>> Grand Ballroom, which is located on the south
>> side of Atrium II. The Khmer Pavilion is located
>> roughly above the Grand Ballroom.
>>       The point at which the Atrium II lobby
>> joins the Tower lobby is located just beyond the
>> west end of the Grand Ballroom foyer.  The exact
>> configuration of this juncture is unknown at the
>> time of this writing because of the renovations
>> in progress.  If any steps still remain by the
>> time we arrive, there will be a ramp in place for wheelchair access.
>>
>>       HOTEL FOOD SERVICE
>>       Breakfast will be available from 6:00 to
>> 11:00 am in three locations: Common Ground in
>> Atrium 1, serving grab-and-go continental
>> breakfasts and ala carte items including hot
>> breakfast sandwiches; The Terrace in Atrium 1
>> serving full hot breakfasts; and Gossips
>> (beginning at 6:30 am) in the Tower serving
>> specialty coffees and ala carte items.
>>       Lunch will be available from 11:00 am to
>> 2:00 pm in the Common Ground serving soups,
>> salads, deli and hot sandwiches, quick
>> grab-and-go bag lunches, and other ala carte
>> items; in The Terrace from 11:00 am to 2:00 pm
>> serving a quick hot ?blue plate? special each
>> day; in Gossips from 11:00 am to 3:00 pm serving
>> deli sandwiches and ala carte items; and in the
>> Media Grill & Bar (located on the south side of
>> Atrium II between the Atrium escalators and the
>> Grand Ballroom) from 11:00 am to 10:00 pm
>> offering a full-scale lunch and dinner menu.
>>       Dinner will be available in the Media Grill
>> & Bar until 10:00 pm, with ?deep-night? bar and
>> selected food service continuing until 2:00 am;
>> in the Rathskeller (accessed from the Tower lobby
>> across from the potpourri shop), serving a
>> typical sports bar menu; and in Nana, the
>> five-star restaurant located on the
>> twenty-seventh floor of the Tower, from 6:30 to
>> 10:30 pm.  In addition, sushi will be available
>> in Gossips until 2:00 am; a variety of hot and
>> cold lite fare will be available in the bar at
>> Nana from 4:30 pm to 12:30 am; and room service
>> is available on a twenty-four-hour basis.
>>
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>>
>> TEXAS-STYLE BARBEQUE AND LIVE MUSIC IN ANATOLE PARK
>>          Continue the excitement of convention
>> opening day by enjoying a delicious Texas-style
>> barbeque with family and friends under the stars in Anatole Park.
>> Listen to the great acoustical sounds of one of
>> Texas? top performing singers and songwriters,
>> Brian Burns, with friends Tommy Alverson and
>> Davin James, who bring Texas and American country
>> music back to the heart of the matter.  All
>> hosted by the NFB of Texas and all happening on
>> Tuesday, July 6, starting at 6:00 pm.  Tickets
>> (while they last) are $45 per person and can be
>> purchased in the registration area.
>>
>> ROOKIE ROUNDUP
>>            All first-time convention attendees
>> are cordially invited to attend a reception from
>> 8:00 to 10:00 pm on Saturday, July 3, in the
>> Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby.  President
>> Maurer and other Federation leaders will be on
>> hand to welcome you to the convention and preview
>> the week?s activities. Veteran conventioneers
>> should urge all first-timers to attend this
>> special event.  Also, first-time rookies are
>> invited to join an informal, fun gathering on
>> Monday, July 5, from 12:00 noon to 2:00 pm in the Affiliate Action Suite
>> 2372.
>>
>>          REGISTRATION & PREREGISTRATION
>>          Registration activities take place in
>> the upper Chantilly foyer, Tower lobby beginning
>> at 9:00 am on Sunday, July 4; at 8:30 am on
>> Monday, July 5; and at other times as listed
>> throughout the week.  The fee for registration at
>> convention is $20 per person (if you
>> preregistered before May 31, the fee was $15),
>> and all those attending the convention (both
>> local and outoftown people) are asked to
>> register. Convention registration is a
>> requirement for door prize eligibility and a
>> number of other convention activities. We
>> condition rates for hotel rooms on proof of
>> registration, including the showing of an NFB
>> registration badge if requested. Therefore,
>> please register as soon as possible after arrival.
>>
>>          EXHIBITS
>> Exhibits (excluding the NFB Independence Market)
>> are on display in the Khmer Pavilion, Atrium
>> third level.  Exhibit hall hours are:
>>          Sunday          9:00 am to 5:00 pm
>>          Monday          8:30 am to 5:00 pm
>>          Tuesday                 Noon to 1:45 pm;
>> Sponsors only from 7:00-10:00 pm
>>          Wednesday       Noon to 1:45 pm and 7:00 to 10:00 pm
>> There is a special event for sponsor-level
>> exhibitors only on Tuesday, July 6, from 7:00 to
>> 10:00 pm (see ?Special Attention? section and
>> agenda listing for more information).  Sign up
>> for NFB-NEWSLINE? at the NEWSLINE table.  Any
>> alterations in the general session schedule which
>> may occur during the convention will result in
>> conforming shifts in the exhibit schedule and
>> will be announced in the exhibit areas. A number
>> of affiliated NFB divisions and committees have tables.
>>
>> INDEPENDENCE MARKET & SHOWROOM OF INNOVATION
>>          The Independence Market and the Showroom
>> of Innovation will be located in the Grand
>> Ballroom, Atrium lobby.  NFB publications,
>> products, devices, canes, Louis Braille
>> commemorative coins, jewelry, and other items
>> will be available. Also in the Showroom of
>> Innovation you can preview the nonvisual
>> interface technology that might empower driving
>> and other advanced applications. Put your hands
>> on the wheel, touch the first generation blind
>> driver challenge vehicle, and glimpse into the
>> future.  Be part of the revolution as we Race for
>> Independence. Hours of operation for the Market and the Showroom are:
>>          Sunday          9:00 am to 5:00 pm
>>          Monday          8:30 am to 5:00 pm
>>          Tuesday                 Noon to 1:45 pm
>>          Wednesday       Noon to 1:45 pm?Note: Final time slot to visit
>>                                  Independence
>> Market and Showroom of Innovation.
>>
>> MEETINGS
>>          General sessions of the convention
>> convene at 9:00 am in the Chantilly Ballroom,
>> Tower lobby on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday.
>> The convention adjourns promptly at 5:00 pm on
>> Thursday, July 8.  Please note that all requests
>> for announcements by Dr. Maurer during general
>> sessions must be submitted in Braille.
>>
>>          BANQUET AND BANQUET TICKET EXCHANGE
>>          The banquet is being held in the
>> Chantilly Ballroom, Tower lobby at 7:00 pm,
>> Thursday, July 8.  Banquet tickets purchased at
>> convention are $45.00 (the cost was $40 if
>> purchased before May 31) and are on sale during
>> registration on Sunday, Monday, and
>> Tuesday.  Banquet tickets will not be available
>> for purchase after Tuesday at 2:00 pm.
>>          It will be necessary to have your
>> banquet ticket with you to attend the banquet; it
>> will be collected at the banquet table.
>> Arrangements should be made for reserved table
>> assignments by taking the ticket(s) you purchase
>> to the Banquet Exchange Table in the Chantilly
>> lobby area, where you may exchange either an
>> individual ticket or a group of tickets for
>> reserved seating.  Banquet tables seat ten people.
>>
>>
>> RELIGIOUS SERVICES AND DEVOTIONS
>>          On Sunday, July 4, Fr. Gregory Paul,
>> C.P., will celebrate a Roman Catholic Mass at
>> 6:30 am in the Wedgwood Room, Tower lobby.
>>
>>          Also on Sunday at 11:45 am services for
>> the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
>> will be held in the Wedgwood Room, Tower lobby.
>>
>>          Devotional services will be held in the
>> Sapphire Room, Tower lobby at 8:00 am on Tuesday,
>> Wednesday, and Thursday.  Services are
>> nonsectarian and will end at least fifteen
>> minutes prior to morning convention
>> sessions.  Coordinated by the National
>> Association of the Blind in Communities of Faith
>> Division; Tom Anderson, President.
>>
>> K-NFB?S BLIO READER
>> MAKING BOOKS ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
>>       Printed books are becoming digital and
>> accessible.  Blio is free e-reader software
>> designed for presentation of digital
>> media.  Developed and distributed by K-NFB
>> Reading Technology, Inc., shop at the online Blio
>> bookstore with access to over one million free
>> books.  Read wherever you are by syncing your
>> digital library to your mobile device. To learn
>> more, visit the demonstration sessions listed in
>> the agenda on Saturday, Sunday, and Wednesday.
>>
>> SPECIAL ATTENTION IS CALLED
>> TO THE FOLLOWING ITEMS
>> ? A Federation Information Desk will be in the
>> registration area from Sunday morning, July 4,
>> through Thursday, July 8, if you have questions
>> or need assistance.  The Texas affiliate will
>> also maintain a table near the hotel checkin desk
>> in the main lobby to provide assistance and
>> hospitality during much of the convention.
>>
>> ? When you register, you will be given a name
>> badge. Please wear it at all times during the convention.
>>
>> ? The room number for the Presidential Suite is
>> 2572.  Someone will be on hand in the
>> Presidential Suite throughout most of the
>> convention to greet you and make appointments for
>> you with the President or anyone else you wish to
>> see.  The Presidential Suite will not be open
>> during the business sessions of the convention,
>> the Monday morning Board of Directors meeting, or
>> the Thursday evening banquet. Come to the
>> Presidential Suite. You will be most welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> ? The room number for Mary Ellen Jernigan,
>> Chairwoman of Convention Organization and
>> Activities, is 2472. Questions concerning hotel
>> rooms, meeting rooms, banquet, scheduling,
>> registration, and other matters dealing with
>> convention arrangements should be referred to the
>> Chairwoman of Convention Organization and Activities.
>>
>> ? Individuals needing to conduct business with
>> the NFB Treasurer may do so by going to the Opal
>> Room, Tower lobby on Tuesday, July 6, between
>> 5:30 and 7:30 pm, or on Wednesday, July 7, between 12:00 noon and 2:00 
>> pm.
>>
>> ? The Texas Suite (Angela Wolf, President) is 2272.
>>
>> ? The Affiliate Action and Rookie Activities
>> Suite (Joanne Wilson and Pam Allen, Coordinators) is 2372.
>>
>> ? Child-care services for children between the
>> ages of six weeks and ten years are available
>> during convention sessions, most meetings, and
>> the banquet.  Preregistration and payment by June
>> 15 were required for child-care.
>>
>>          Child-care is organized and supervised
>> by Carla McQuillan, the executive director of
>> Main Street Montessori Association.  Alison
>> McQuillan serves as the activities and staff
>> coordinator.  Please note that child-care
>> provides morning and afternoon snacks, but
>> parents are required to provide lunch for their
>> child(ren) every day. Times listed are the
>> opening and closing times for child-care. A late
>> fee of $10 per quarter-hour per child will be
>> assessed for all late pickups.  Child-care hours are:
>> Saturday, 7/3           8:30 am to 12:30 pm and 1:30 to 5:30 pm
>> Sunday, 7/4             Closed
>> Monday, 7/5             8:30 am to 12:30 pm and 1:30 to 5:30 pm
>> Tuesday, 7/6            9:30 am to 12:30 pm and 1:30 to 5:30 pm
>> Wednesday, 7/7          8:30 am to 12:30 pm and 1:30 to 5:30 pm
>> Thursday, 7/8           8:30 am to 12:30 pm and 1:30 to 5:30 pm
>> Banquet 7/8              6:30 pm to 30 minutes after banquet ends
>>
>> ? A Special Evening for Sponsor-Level
>> Exhibitors:  Again this year, the exhibit hall
>> will reopen from 7:00 to 10:00 pm on Tuesday,
>> July 6, for a very special evening dedicated
>> solely to Sponsor-Level Exhibitors. Come and
>> bring a guest to say ?thank you? to our sponsors
>> and to enjoy their interesting offers and demonstrations.
>>
>> ? The always popular Showcase of Talent is back
>> again at 7:00 pm on Wednesday, July 7, presented
>> by the Performing Arts Division.  Admission price
>> is $5.00. If you would like to participate in the
>> Showcase, make sure to sign up early by
>> contacting a Performing Arts Division board member at the convention.
>>
>> ? Raffle tickets will not be sold in the
>> registration area, and no raffles or other such
>> drawings will take place during convention
>> sessions or at the banquet. The single exception
>> to this rule will be that national divisions may
>> (if they request it in advance) conduct such
>> drawings during the convention or at the
>> banquet.  The Sapphire Room, Tower lobby will be
>> set aside at 12:00 noon on Thursday, July 8, for
>> all other drawings. Any group or affiliate
>> wishing to conduct drawings at this time (or any
>> person wishing to know the winners) may go at
>> noon on Thursday to the Sapphire Room.
>>
>> AFFILIATED DIVISIONS, COMMITTEES, AND GROUPS
>>          The Federation carries on its business
>> through divisions, committees, and groups. The
>> meetings of some of these have been scheduled for
>> particular times and are listed in the agenda.
>> Others have not been formally scheduled but will
>> meet at the call of their chairpersons or
>> presidents. If you have matters that you would
>> like to discuss with any of the following
>> divisions, committees, or groups, you should contact:
>>
>> Divisions:
>> ? Agriculture and Equestrian: Fred Chambers, President;
>> ? Assistive Technology Trainers:  Michael Barber, President;
>> ? Classics, Antiques, and Rods or Special Interest Vehicles (CARS):
>>          Joseph B. Naulty, President;
>> ? Deaf-Blind: Burnell Brown, President;
>> ? Diabetes Action Network for the Blind: Michael Freeman, President;
>> ? Human Services: David Stayer, President;
>> ? National Association of the Blind in Communities of Faith: Tom 
>> Anderson,
>>          President;
>> ? National Association of Blind Entrepreneurs: James R. Bonerbo,
>>          President;
>> ? National Association of Blind Lawyers: Scott LaBarre, President;
>> ? National Association of Blind Merchants: Kevan Worley, President;
>> ? National Association of Blind Office Professionals: Lisa Hall, 
>> President;
>> ? National Association of Blind Piano Technicians: Don Mitchell, 
>> President;
>> ? National Association of Blind Rehabilitation Professionals: Melody
>>          Lindsey, President;
>> ? National Association of Blind Students: Arielle Silverman, President;
>> ? National Association of Blind Veterans: Dwight Sayer, President;
>> ? National Association of Guide Dog Users: Marion Gwizdala, President;
>> ? National Association to Promote the Use of
>> Braille (NAPUB): Nadine Jacobson, President;
>> Divisions, Continued:
>> ? National Federation of the Blind in Computer Science: Curtis Chong,
>>          President;
>> ? National Federation of the Blind Krafters: Joyce Kane, President;
>> ? National Federation of the Blind Seniors: Judy Sanders, President;
>> ? National Organization of Blind Educators: Sheila Koenig, President;
>> ? National Organization of Parents of Blind Children (NOPBC): Carol
>>          Castellano, President;
>> ? Performing Arts: Dennis H.R. Sumlin, President;
>> ? Public Employees: Ivan Weich, President;
>> ? Science and Engineering: John Miller, President;
>> ? Sports and Recreation: Lisamaria Martinez, President;
>> ? Travel and Tourism: Don Gillmore, President;
>> ? Writers: Robert Leslie Newman, President.
>>
>> Committees:
>> ? Ambassadors: Angela Wolf, Chairperson;
>> ? Blind Educator of the Year Award: David Ticchi, Chairperson;
>> ? Committee on Assistive Technology (COAT): Curtis Chong, Chairperson;
>> ? Committee on Automobile and Pedestrian Safety (CAPS): Deborah Kent
>>          Stein, Chairperson;
>> ? Committee to Empower Underserved Populations (CEUP): Ron Brown,
>>          Chairperson;
>> ? Cultural Exchange and International Program: Diane McGeorge,
>>          Chairperson;
>> ? Distinguished Educator of Blind Children Award: Cathy Jackson,
>>          Chairperson;
>> ? Employment: Buna Dahal, Chairperson;
>> ? Genetic Education: Barbara Pierce, Chairperson;
>> ? Imagination Fund: Parnell Diggs, Chairperson;
>> ? Jacobus tenBroek Award: Ramona Walhof, Chairperson;
>> ? Jacobus tenBroek Memorial Fund: Tami Jones, Chairperson;
>> ? Kenneth Jernigan Fund: Allen Harris, Chairperson;
>> ? Library Services: David Hyde, Chairperson;
>> ? Loan Fund: Donald C. Capps, Chairperson;
>> ? Membership: Ron Gardner, Chairperson;
>> ? Newel Perry Award: Allen Harris, Chairperson;
>> ? Newsletter Publications: Norma Crosby, Chairperson;
>> ? NFB-NEWSLINE? Steering: David DeNotaris, Chairperson;
>> ? PAC Plan: Scott LaBarre, Chairperson;
>> ? Planned Giving: John Halverson, Chairperson;
>> ? Promotion, Evaluation, and Advancement of Technology: Gary Wunder,
>>          Chairperson;
>> Committees, Continued:
>> ? Public Relations: Christopher Danielsen, Chairperson;
>> ? Research and Development: Curtis Chong, Chairperson;
>> ? Resolutions: Sharon Maneki, Chairperson;
>> ? Scholarship: Anil Lewis, Chairperson;
>> ? Shares Unlimited in NFB (SUN): Sandy Halverson, Chairperson;
>> ? Spanish Translation: Norman Gardner, Chairperson;
>> ? White Cane and Affiliate Finance: Alpidio Rol?n, Chairperson.
>>
>> Groups:
>> ? Blind Musicians: Linda Mentink, Chairperson;
>> ? Blind Parents: Deborah Kent Stein, Chairperson;
>> ? Blind Professional Journalists: Elizabeth Campbell and Bryan Bashin,
>>          Co-Chairpersons;
>> ? Educators of Blind Children: Gail Wagner, Chairperson;
>> ? Geordi's Engineers: Lorraine Rovig, Chairperson;
>> ? Legislative Initiatives Discussion: Don Burns, Coordinator;
>> ? Living History: Michael Freholm, Chairperson;
>> ? NFB Ham Radio: D. Curtis Willoughby, Chairperson;
>> ? NFB in Judaism: David Stayer, Chairperson;
>> ? NFB Lions: Ramona Walhof and Milton Ota, Co-Chairpersons;
>> ? Orientation and Mobility: Edward C. Bell, Chairperson;
>> ? Professionals in Blindness Education: Heather Field, Chairperson
>> ? Webmasters: Gary Wunder, Chairperson.
>>
>>
>>          CONVENTION AGENDA
>>   SATURDAY, JULY 3, 2010
>>
>> 7:30 - 8:45 am?HAM RADIO GROUP EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS
>> Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
>> Discuss convention frequencies, hotel
>> architectural features, and distributing special
>> FM receivers for the hearing-impaired and
>> Spanish-speaking attendees. D. Curtis Willoughby (ka0vba), Chairperson
>>
>> 7:30 am - 6:30 pm?EDUCATION: TOP DOWN AND BOTTOM UP
>> Parent, Teacher, Rehabilitation, and Orientation
>> & Mobility Joint Conference for Families and
>> Rehabilitation Professionals (7:30 to 8:45 am?Registration;
>>
>> 12:00 noon - 2:00 pm?NBPCB Awards Luncheon in Morocco Room)
>> Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby
>>          NOPBC Fees: Adults $30; Youth (13-18) $20; Children (5-12) $10
>>          NBPCB Fees (includes lunch): Students $75; Professionals $100
>>          Note: Conference admission included with either registration 
>> above.
>> Sponsors: National Organization of Parents of
>> Blind Children (NOPBC); National Blindness
>> Professional Certification Board (NBPCB);
>> National Association of Blind Rehabilitation
>> Professionals (NABRP); and the Professional
>> Development & Research Institute on Blindness
>> (PDRIB) at the Louisiana Tech University.
>> Chairpersons: Carol Castellano and Edward Bell
>>
>> 8:30 am?CHILD-CARE (Preregistration by June 15 was required)
>> Batik A & B and Cardinal A & B Rooms, Atrium Mezzanine
>> Please see ?Special Attention? section of agenda for further information.
>>
>> 8:30 - 11:30 am?WHAT?S NEW IN JAWS 11 AND A FIRST
>> LOOK AT JAWS 12?FREEDOM SCIENTIFIC, INC.
>> Senators Lecture Hall, Tower lobby
>> Join Eric Damery, JAWS Product Manager, for an
>> exciting and informative session covering the new
>> details surrounding JAWS development during the
>> past year.  In addition to many demonstrations of
>> JAWS 11 with Research It, this will also be the
>> first look at JAWS 12 scheduled for public beta in August 2010.
>>
>> 9:00 am - 12:00 noon?GW MICRO: SENSE NOTETAKER
>> AND BOOKSENSE TRAINING (Registration: $10; refreshments provided)
>> Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> The Braille Sense Plus and other Sense notetakers
>> are exciting devices in Braille notetaker
>> technology.  Learn new features, including the GW
>> Sense Navigation GPS.  See the BookSense in
>> action; play your books and audio files with
>> ease.  Raul Gallegos and Jeremy Curry. To register, call 260-489-3671.
>>   SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued
>>
>> 9:00 am - 5:00 pm?NFB JERNIGAN INSTITUTE?S ACCESS TECHNOLOGY SEMINARS
>> Governors Lecture Hall, Tower lobby
>>
>>      9:00 - 11:30 am?Apple?s Mac system, iPod series, iPhone, and iPad
>>      1:00 - 2:00 pm?Ebay?s accessibility improvements
>>      2:15 - 3:30 pm?Blackboard Learn, the online platform for education
>>      3:45 - 5:00 pm?Accessing e-Books rapidly expanding market
>>
>> 9:00 am - 5:00 pm?EMPLOYMENT COMMITTEE SEMINAR
>> Rosetta Room, Atrium mezzanine
>>      9:00 am?Registration; 9:30 am?Seminar begins
>> Staying on the cutting edge?what does it
>> take?  If you are seeking a job or focused on
>> career advancement, don't miss this excellent
>> opportunity to explore the building blocks of
>> evolutionary employment.  Buna Dahal, Chairperson
>>
>> 9:30 am - 2:30 pm?SENIORS SEMINAR: INTRO TO BLINDNESS SKILLS
>> Sapphire Room, Tower lobby
>> Please note?attendance is limited to around
>> thirty-five people, so arrive promptly.  Blind
>> instructors introduce seniors to basic blindness
>> skills: Braille, use of the long white cane,
>> games, etc.  Co-chaired by Ruth Sager and Ramona
>> Walhof; Judy Sanders, President, NFB Seniors Division
>>
>> 10:30 am - 12:00 noon??WHERE PAST, PRESENT, AND
>> FUTURE COME TOGETHER??NFB YOUTH TRACK (AGES 11 TO 18)
>> Wyeth Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Kick off this year?s Youth Track activities with
>> fun icebreakers and meet new friends.  This is
>> also a time for youth to debate the age-old
>> issues of blindness while putting a fresh new
>> spin on them for today.  All Youth Track
>> activities are sponsored by the NFB Jernigan
>> Institute; Mary Jo Hartle, Coordinator
>>
>> 12:45 - 1:45 pm?WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?  NFB
>> JERNIGAN INSTITUTE DISCUSSIONS?SESSION ONE
>> (Session Two: Sunday at 5:30 pm; Session Three: Monday at 7:30 pm)
>> Wyeth Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Session One covers research, history, and our literature.
>> Moderated by Mark A. Riccobono, Executive Director, NFB Jernigan 
>> Institute
>>
>>
>>   SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued
>>
>> 1:00 - 3:00 pm?FREEDOM SCIENTIFIC; OPENBOOK 9 AND
>> PEARL PORTABLE READING SOLUTION
>> Senators Lecture Hall, Tower lobby
>> Have lightning fast OCR with OpenBook in a
>> portable solution that folds up.  Connect via a
>> USB port and scan documents. Have them read aloud
>> using Eloquence voices or any of Real Speak Solo
>> Direct human-sounding voices now available on
>> OpenBook. Magnify work, write under the camera, and reformat text.
>>
>> 1:00 - 5:00 pm?HUMANWARE PRODUCT SHOWCASE AND USER GROUPS
>> Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Sessions: 1:00 Breeze; 2:00 Portable Devices; 3:00 Stream; 4:00 
>> BrailleNote
>> Join HumanWare to learn about recent updates and
>> share product tips. Give us your suggestions or
>> ask questions about your favorite HumanWare
>> product. Door Prizes for every session!
>>
>> 1:00 - 6:00 pm?KRAFTERS DIVISION CRAFT SHOW
>> Topaz Room, Tower lobby
>> If you are interested in crafts and appreciate
>> hand-made items, this is the place to be!  Come
>> and meet some very talented Federation crafters
>> and purchase their beautiful items for sale. Joyce Kane, President
>>
>> 1:30 - 2:45 pm?EXPERIENCE THE BLIO READER: MAKING
>> THE WORLD?S BOOKS ENJOYABLE, USABLE, AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
>> Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Presented by James Gashel.
>>
>> 2:00 - 3:00 pm?NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS
>>          The Conquest of Independence
>>          Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
>>          Helpful strategies for raising and working with a young blind
>> child.
>>          Instructor: Carla McQuillan
>>
>>          The Blind Student in Science Class
>>          Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
>>          Tools and techniques to include blind
>> students in all aspects of science.
>>          Instructors: Cary Supalo, Dr. Lillian
>> Rankel, Marilyn Winograd, and Dr.
>>          Andrew Greenberg
>>
>>   SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued
>>
>> NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS, Cont?d.
>>          Braille Reading Rates
>>          Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Your child can become a Braille-reading speed demon!
>> Instructors: Jerry Whittle and Dr. Eric Vasiliauskas
>>
>> Let Your Child Grow Up!
>> Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> When is the right time to begin stepping back as a parent?
>> Instructors: Rosy Carranza and Andrea Beasley
>>
>> 2:00 - 5:00 pm?GOAL BALL; SPORTS & REC DIVISION
>> Gym, Verandah area
>> Lisamaria Martinez, President
>>
>> 2:00 - 5:00 pm?GW MICRO: WINDOW-EYES TRAINING
>> (Registration: $10; refreshments provided)
>> Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Explore the power of Window-Eyes with advanced
>> scripting support, Office 2010, Windows 7, and
>> much more.  Come to see support for the Internet
>> and scripting provided by a screen
>> reader.  Presenters: Jeremy Curry and Raul
>> Gallegos. To register, call 260-489-3671.
>>
>> 2:00 - 5:00 pm?YOUTH TRACK CONCURRENT WORKSHOP SESSIONS
>>          Preparing for the Future:
>>          Wyeth Room, Atrium mezzanine
>>          2:00 - 3:30 pm?High School Readiness (ages 11-14)
>>          3:30 - 5:00 pm?College Readiness (ages 14-18)
>>
>>          Working Out Workouts:
>>          Travertine Room, Atrium mezzanine
>>          2:00 - 3:30 pm?For ages 14-18
>>          3:30 - 5:00 pm?For ages 11-14
>>
>>          Looking Good without Looking:
>>          Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
>>          2:00 - 3:30 pm?For ages 14-18
>>          3:30 - 5:00 pm?For ages 11-14
>>
>>
>>   SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued
>>
>> 3:00 - 4:30 pm?TEACHER RECRUITMENT INITIATIVE
>> Affiliate Action Suite 2372
>> If you are interested in improving the education
>> of blind students, please join us. Learn how to
>> contact universities in your area, put on
>> recruitment presentations, and spread the word about this rewarding 
>> career.
>> Hosted by the NFB Affiliate Action Team
>>
>> 3:00 - 4:45 pm?EXPERIENCE THE BLIO READER: MAKING
>> THE WORLD?S BOOKS ENJOYABLE, USABLE, AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
>> Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Presented by James Gashel.
>>
>> 3:15 - 4:15 pm?NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS
>>
>> ABC and 1, 2, 3
>> Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Early literacy and number understanding at home and at school.
>> Instructors:  Heather Field and Stephanie Kieszak-Holloway
>>
>> I Survived Math Class
>> Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Tips to ensure your child understands, keeps up
>> with, and even learns to love math.
>>
>>          Social Skills
>>          Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine
>>          Strategies for fostering the development
>> of age-appropriate social skills.
>>          Instructors: Denise Mackenstadt and Angela Frederick
>>
>>          Low Vision: Focus on Success
>>          Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
>>          Prepare your low vision child for
>> success in school, at home, and in social
>>          life.  Instructors: Marla Palmer and Mark Riccobono
>>
>> 4:30 - 5:30 pm?NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS
>> Get Your Child Going!
>> Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Enhance and promote independent movement in the
>> young or delayed child.  Instructor: Denise Mackenstadt
>>
>>   SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued
>>
>> NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS, Cont?d.
>>
>> Technology
>> Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Available technology; hear from students on how
>> they employ it.  Instructors: Richard Holloway and blind students
>>
>>          Behavior: From Control to Support in Five Easy Lessons
>>          Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
>>          Steps to turn problem behavior into positive behavior.
>>          Instructor: Dr. Jerry Petroff
>>
>>          Is Your Child Job Ready?
>>          Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
>>          Learn how your child can gain experience and skills.
>>
>> 5:00 - 7:00 pm?SPANISH SEMINAR
>> Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Blindness is blindness, no matter what the
>> language.  Meet new and old friends; learn about
>> Federation philosophy and the truth about
>> blindness?in Spanish.  Moderator: Alpidio Rol?n
>>
>> 5:00 - 8:00 pm?MIX-AND-MINGLE RECEPTION FOR
>> PARENTS AND REHABILITATION PROFESSIONALS
>> Morocco Room, Tower mezzanine
>>
>> 6:00 - 10:00 pm?NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF GUIDE DOG
>> USERS (NAGDU) BUSINESS MEETING
>> Emerald Room, Tower lobby
>>    6:00 pm?Registration; 7:00 pm?Meeting begins
>> Find out about legal cases that NAGDU and NFB are
>> involved in; learn about the work and development
>> of affiliate divisions; celebrate the launch of
>> the NAGDU Education and Advocacy Hotline; elect
>> your division leaders. Marion Gwizdala, President
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued
>>
>> 6:30 - 10:00 pm?NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND OFFICE PROFESSIONALS
>> Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
>>     6:30 pm?Registration; 7:00 pm?Meeting begins
>> Learn about new technology and how blind
>> telephone operators, receptionists, customer
>> service reps, Braille transcribers and
>> proofreaders, and other office workers solve
>> problems and challenges in the office setting.  Lisa Hall, President
>>
>> 7:00 - 8:30 pm?LIVING HISTORY GROUP
>> Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Dedicated to recording, preserving, and
>> appreciating Federation history.  Michael Freholm, Chairperson
>>
>> 7:00 - 9:00 pm?NOPBC FAMILY HOSPITALITY NIGHT
>> Miro Room, Tower mezzanine
>> Relax and chat in an informal atmosphere.  This
>> is a great opportunity for new families to meet
>> and connect with others.  Veteran parents will be
>> on hand to welcome and provide information.
>>
>> 7:00 - 10:00 pm?INDEPENDENCE SCIENCE, LLC FOCUS GROUP ONE
>> Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> (Preregistration by May 15 was required to
>> attend.) Independence Science LLC, in
>> collaboration with Purdue University researchers,
>> is collecting feedback on a new portable handheld
>> data collection device for blind students to use
>> in high school science laboratories.  (Focus
>> Group Two meets Monday at 7:00 pm)
>>
>> 7:30 - 9:00 pm?knfbReader MOBILE USERS MEETING
>> Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Conducted by Michael Hingson
>>
>> 7:30 - 11:00 pm?SALSA DANCE LESSIONS AND LATIN DANCE PARTY
>> Metropolitan Ballroom, Tower mezzanine
>> Get into the ?rhythm? of the convention?learn the
>> salsa!  Group and individual instructions
>> provided at any level of proficiency.  Fee of
>> $5.00 benefits the NFB Spanish Translation
>> Committee.  Add salsa dancing to your repertoire; people will be 
>> impressed.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   SATURDAY, JULY 3, Continued
>>
>> 8:00 - 9:00 pm?WHITE CANE AND AFFILIATE FINANCE COMMITTEE
>> Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Alpidio Rol?n, Chairperson
>>
>> 8:00 - 10:00 pm?NFB LIONS GROUP
>> Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> NFB members who would like to join a Lions Club
>> or are already Lions are urged to meet to share
>> ideas and experiences.  Please wear your shirts
>> or vests for a photo. Co-Chairpersons: Ramona Walhof and Milton Ota
>>
>> 8:00 - 10:00 pm?ROOKIE ROUNDUP RECEPTION
>> Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby
>> First-time convention attendees?don?t miss this
>> event!  President Maurer and former rookies will
>> be on hand to welcome you and answer questions
>> about the week?s activities. Casual dress.
>> Coordinator: Pam Allen, Director of the Louisiana
>> Center for the Blind and President of the NFB of Louisiana
>>
>> 8:00 pm - midnight?KARAOKE NIGHT?? (Admission: $5.00)
>> Peacock Terrace, West Wing
>> Enjoy music, door prizes, and a cash bar; meet
>> BLIND, Incorporated?s students and alumni and
>> share their experiences from training.  Here?s
>> your chance to sing like a rock star; Braille
>> song lists are available.  Hosted by BLIND, Inc.
>>
>> 9:00 - 10:00 pm?NFB AMBASSADORS COMMITTEE MEETING
>> Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Angela Wolf, Chairperson
>>
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>>
>>   SUNDAY, JULY 4, 2010
>>
>> 6:30 - 7:30 am?ROMAN CATHOLIC MASS
>> Wedgwood Room, Tower lobby
>> Father Gregory Paul, C.P., Celebrant
>>
>> 9:00 am - 5:00 pm?REGISTRATION ($20); BANQUET AND
>> BARBEQUE TICKET SALES ($45 EACH); Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby
>>
>> 9:00 am - 5:00 pm?INDEPENDENCE MARKET AND
>> SHOWROOM OF INNOVATION?Grand Ballroom, Atrium lobby
>>
>> 9:00 am 5:00 pm?EXHIBITS?Khmer Pavilion, Atrium, third level
>>
>> 11:45 am - 1:15 pm?CHURCH SERVICES FOR THE CHURCH
>> OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
>> Wedgwood Room, Tower lobby
>>
>> 1:00 - 2:00 pm?BLIND MUSICIANS GROUP
>> Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Share ideas and tips and network with other blind musicians.
>> Linda Mentink, Chairperson
>>
>> 1:00 - 5:00 pm?SELF-DEFENSE CLASS; SPORTS & REC DIVISION
>> De Soto A & B Rooms, West Wing
>> Lisamaria Martinez, President
>>
>> 1:00 - 5:00 pm?AUTO SHOW (CLASSICS, ANTIQUES, AND SPECIAL INTEREST 
>> VEHICLES)
>> Clock Tower Parking Lot
>> Presented by the NFB CARS Division; Joe Naulty, President
>>
>> 1:00 - 5:00 pm?NATIONAL CERTIFICATION IN LITERARY
>> BRAILLE (NCLB) OFFICIAL EXAMINATION?SECTIONS ONE AND TWO
>> Governors Lecture Hall, Tower lobby
>> Participants must have preregistered.  Exam
>> sections three and four are on Monday at 1:00
>> pm.  Sponsored by the National Blindness Professional Certification Board
>>
>>
>>
>>   SUNDAY, JULY 4, Continued
>>
>> 1:00 - 6:30 pm?PROFESSIONALS IN BLINDNESS EDUCATION
>> Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Heather Field, Chairperson
>>
>> 1:30 pm?RESOLUTIONS COMMITTEE
>> Coronado Ballroom, West Wing
>> Sharon Maneki, Chairperson
>>
>> 1:30 - 2:45 pm?EXPERIENCE THE BLIO READER: MAKING
>> THE WORLD?S BOOKS ENJOYABLE, USABLE, AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
>> Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Presented by James Gashel
>>
>> 2:00 - 4:30 pm?OPEN BRAILLE INITIATIVE
>> Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> To make access to Braille easier, a group of
>> prominent Braille device manufacturers have come
>> together to develop and maintain an Open Standard
>> for communications between screen readers and
>> Braille displays.  Do you want to know more? Join
>> us for the OpenBraille initiative presentation.
>>
>> 2:30 - 5:30 pm?TRAVEL AND TOURISM DIVISION
>> Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
>> Don Gillmore, President
>>
>> 3:00 - 4:45 pm?EXPERIENCE THE BLIO READER: MAKING
>> THE WORLD?S BOOKS ENJOYABLE, USABLE, AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
>> Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Presented by James Gashel
>>
>> 3:00 - 5:00 pm?WHAT?S NEW WITH NFB-NEWSLINE?
>> Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Learn about the NFB?s free audible newspaper
>> service for the blind and visually
>> impaired.  Topics cover Podable News, the new
>> voices, the new on-demand article request
>> feature, and more.  Sign up for NFB-NEWSLINE? at its exhibit hall table.
>>
>> 4:00 - 5:30 pm?SLATE MATES?NFB YOUTH TRACK (Ages 11-18)
>> Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Pair up with members of the NFB Writers Division
>> to learn the tricks of the trade to become a good
>> writer.  Bring your questions, and put your interests to work.
>>   SUNDAY, JULY 4, Continued
>>
>> 4:00 - 6:00 pm?FEDERATION REGENERATION
>> Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Learn how to develop quality programs for youth
>> in your state while regenerating your Federation
>> spirit.  Presented by the NFB Jernigan Institute Education Team
>>
>> 4:30 - 6:00 pm?THIRTEENTH ANNUAL MOCK
>> TRIAL?National Association of Blind Lawyers; Scott LaBarre, President
>> Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby
>> Admission: $5.00.  Federation lawyers are pitted
>> against each other reenacting an old Federation
>> case with the audience serving as the
>> jury.  Although the subject matter is very
>> serious, the courtroom portrayers are very entertaining.
>>
>> 5:30 - 6:30 pm?WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?  NFB
>> JERNIGAN INSTITUTE DISCUSSIONS?SESSION TWO (Session Three: Monday at 
>> 7:30)
>> Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Session Two covers access technology and product development.
>> Moderated by Mark A. Riccobono, Executive Director, NFB Jernigan 
>> Institute
>>
>> 5:30 - 8:00 pm?NEWSLETTER PUBLICATIONS COMMITTEE
>> Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Annual meeting and workshop for affiliate
>> newsletter editors.  Norma Crosby, Chairperson
>>
>> 6:00 - 8:00 pm?STORY TIME IDOL?NFB WRITERS DIVISION
>> Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Tell and/or listen to tall and scary
>> stories.  Cost is $5.00 at the door and $1.00 to
>> tell a story.  Idol winners share in the take!  Robert Leslie Newman,
>> President
>>
>> 6:00 - 10:00 pm?NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS (NABS)
>> Wedgwood Room, Tower lobby
>>     6:00 pm?Registration ($5.00); 7:00 pm?Meeting
>> Students, young professionals, parents, teachers,
>> and anyone interested in learning about issues
>> affecting blind students are welcome to attend.
>> Arielle Silverman, President
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>   SUNDAY, JULY 4, Continued
>>
>> 6:30 - 8:00 pm?NFB AFFILIATE PRESIDENTS AND TREASURERS SEMINAR
>> Rosetta Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> All affiliate presidents and treasurers are asked
>> to attend this session.  Topics include internal
>> controls, state charitable registrations,
>> end-of-year preparations, and discussing
>> individual state issues with facilitators Charlie
>> Brown, Ron Gardner, Bridgid Burke, and Nick Lambright
>>
>> 7:00 - 8:30 pm?MEET THE BLIND MONTH ACTIVITIES
>> AND OTHER SPECIAL EVENTS SEMINAR: PLANS AND ACTION EQUAL SUCCESS
>> Manchester Room, Tower mezzanine
>> October is ?Meet the Blind Month.? Come and
>> brainstorm with us as we look for fresh ideas for
>> Meet the Blind Month!  Learn new fundraising
>> ideas, and get your chapter ready to change
>> public perceptions of blindness. Karen Zakhnini, NFB Jernigan Institute
>>
>> 7:00 - 8:30 pm?PUBLIC EMPLOYEES DIVISION
>> Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Ivan Weich, President
>>
>> 7:00 - 10:00 pm?NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND VETERANS
>> Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Discussing plans to increase our division
>> membership in the coming year and holding elections.  Dwight Sayer,
>> President
>>
>> 7:30 - 9:30 pm?MEMBERSHIP COMMITTEE: FINDING,
>> ATTRACTING, AND KEEPING NEW MEMBERS IN OUR CHAPTERS AND AFFILIATES
>> Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Success only comes before work in the
>> dictionary.  Let?s discuss creative ideas to
>> increase our membership. Ron Gardner, Chairperson
>>
>> 7:30 - 9:30 pm?LIBRARY SERVICES COMMITTEE
>> Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
>> David Hyde, Chairperson
>>
>> 7:30 - 9:30 pm?BLIND PARENTS GROUP
>> Travertine Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Deborah Kent Stein, Chairperson
>>
>>
>>
>>   SUNDAY, JULY 4, Continued
>>
>> 8:00 - 9:00 pm?JUDAISM MEETING
>> Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> David Stayer, Chairperson, NFB in Judaism Group
>>
>> 8:00 - 9:30 pm?WEBMASTERS MEETING
>> Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> A meeting for all NFB affiliate and division
>> Webmasters to discuss the importance of an
>> informative, accessible, and visually attractive Website.
>> Gary Wunder, Chairperson, Webmasters Group
>>
>> 9:00 - 10:00 pm?SPANISH TRANSLATION COMMITTEE
>> Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Norman Gardner, Chairperson
>>
>>
>>
>>    MONDAY, JULY 5, 2010
>>
>> 8:30 am - 5:00 pm?INDEPENDENCE MARKET AND
>> SHOWCASE OF INNOVATION?Grand Ballroom, Atrium lobby
>>
>> 8:30 am 5:00 pm?EXHIBITS?Khmer Pavilion, Atrium, third level
>>
>> 8:30 am - 5:00 pm?REGISTRATION ($20); BANQUET AND
>> BARBEQUE TICKET SALES ($45 EACH); Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby
>>
>> 9:00 11:30 am?NFB BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING (Open to all)
>> Chantilly Ballroom, Tower lobby
>>
>> 12:00 noon - 1:15 pm?THE DIVISION FOR ME?NFB YOUTH TRACK
>> Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Meet-and-greet with division representatives to
>> discover the NFB?s dynamic and diverse
>> divisions.  Chat with knowledgeable reps about
>> what?s happening now in their divisions and
>> what?s in the works for the future.  Our
>> divisions are progressive?join up and join in the fun.
>>
>> 12:00 noon - 2:00 pm?FIRST-TIME NFB CONVENTION ATTENDEES
>> Affiliate Action Suite 2372
>> Is this your first National Federation of the
>> Blind convention? If so, please bring your own
>> lunch and participate in a fun gathering; meet
>> some friendly people and have your convention
>> questions answered by experienced Federationists.
>>
>> 12:30 - 5:00 pm?DIABETES ACTION NETWORK (DAN) SEMINAR
>> Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
>>     12:30 pm?Registration; 1:00 pm?Meeting begins
>> Learn about research updates on the use of
>> insulin pens by Dr. Ann Williams, strategies to
>> get medical insurance providers to cover diabetes
>> management equipment accessible to the blind, and
>> more.  Mike Freeman, President
>>
>> 12:30 - 5:00 pm?NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS (NABL)
>> L?Entrecote Room, Atrium lobby
>>     12:30 pm - Registration; 1:00 pm - Meeting begins
>> Examine laws affecting blind people and others
>> with disabilities; address ongoing struggles to
>> gain equal access to Web sites, employment, legal
>> texts and exams. Scott LaBarre, President
>>
>>
>>    MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued
>>
>> 12:30 - 5:00 pm?NFB IN COMPUTER SCIENCE
>> Rosetta Room, Atrium mezzanine
>>     12:30 pm?Registration; 1:00 pm?Meeting begins
>> Some of the topics include: the Macintosh as a
>> productivity tool for the blind; Solona, a
>> CAPTCHA-solving service; Association of
>> Information Technology Professionals
>> presentation; accessibility to Microsoft?s
>> products by its director of accessibility, Rob
>> Sinclair; elections; and much more.  Curtis Chong, President
>>
>> 12:30 - 5:00 pm?NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF THE BLIND IN COMMUNITIES OF FAITH
>> Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine
>>     12:30 pm?Registration; 1:00 pm?Meeting begins
>> The theme is ?Meeting Challenges: Gaining
>> Opportunities.?  Speakers tell how their faith
>> has helped them face and overcome challenges;
>> also hear representatives from various
>> faith-based libraries and publishing houses
>> describe what their organizations do. Tom Anderson, President
>>
>> 12:30 - 5:00 pm?SPORTS AND RECREATION DIVISION ANNUAL MEETING
>> Coronado Ballroom, West Wing
>>     12:30 pm?Registration; 1:00 pm?Meeting begins
>> Wear your sweats and come ready for hands-on
>> presentations, audible darts, and more!  Lisamaria Martinez, President
>>
>> 1:00 3:00 pm?PUBLIC RELATIONS COMMITTEE MEETING & SEMINAR
>> Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Don't wait for the media to discover you?come and
>> share ideas and strategies on how to harness the
>> power of the media! Topics: crafting press
>> releases, pitching stories, and giving
>> informative interviews. Chris Danielsen, Chairperson
>>
>> 1:00 - 4:00 pm?PERFORMING ARTS DIVISION
>> Travertine Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> General meeting with elections, an introduction
>> to our new state divisions, and speakers.  Dennis H.R. Sumlin, President
>>
>> 1:00 - 4:15 pm?NOPBC DIVISION ANNUAL MEETING: ISSUES AND ADVANCES IN
>> EDUCATION
>> Sapphire Room, Tower lobby
>> Carol Castellano, President
>>
>>
>>   MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued
>>
>> 1:00 - 4:30 pm?NOPBC ACTIVITIES FOR MIDDLE AND HIGH SCHOOLERS
>>
>> 1:00 - 2:30 pm?Diggin? Into Science (ages 11-14)
>> Miro Room, Tower mezzanine
>> Hands-on science fun with instant snow, magnets, volcanoes, etc.
>> Instructors: Dr. Lillian A. Rankel and Marilyn
>> Winograd, with assistance from chemists Cary Supalo and Dr. Andrew 
>> Greenberg
>>
>> 3:00 - 4:30 pm?Peer-to-Peer Technology (ages 11-18)
>> Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
>> Calling all geeks to expound on technology you love and love to hate.
>> Moderators: Jeremiah Beasley and John Fritz
>>
>> 3:00 - 4:30 pm?The Future Is Here in Science (ages 14-18)
>>          Miro Room, Tower mezzanine
>>          Hands-on chemistry activities; understanding chemical phenomena.
>>          Instructors: Dr. Lillian A. Rankel,
>> Marilyn Winograd, Cary Supalo, and Dr.
>>          Andrew Greenberg
>>
>> 1:00 - 4:30 pm?NATIONAL ORGANIZATION OF BLIND EDUCATORS
>> Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
>>     1:00 pm?Registration; 1:30 pm?Meeting begins
>> Blind teachers discuss techniques they use in
>> their classrooms; participants also meet in
>> groups specific to grade level and content areas
>> of interest to create a network of mentors.  If
>> you teach or are considering a career in teaching
>> at any level, please join us. Sheila Koenig, President
>>
>> 1:00 5:00 pm?NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND
>> MERCHANTS REVOLUTIONIZING RANDOLPH-SHEPPARD:
>> CREATING NEW, ROBUST, AND DIVERSE SMALL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE 
>> BLIND
>> De La Salle Room, West Wing
>>    1:00 pm?Registration; 1:30 pm?Meeting begins
>> The title says it all. Let?s continue to protect
>> and defend the Randolph-Sheppard Program. The
>> need to expand business opportunities and to
>> develop new business initiatives for the blind of America is pressing.
>> At Your Service, Kevan Worley, President
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued
>>
>> 1:00 - 5:00 pm?NATIONAL CERTIFICATION IN LITERARY
>> BRAILLE (NCLB) OFFICIAL EXAMINATION?SECTIONS THREE AND FOUR
>> Governors Lecture Hall, Tower lobby
>> Participants must have preregistered.  Sponsored
>> by the National Blindness Professional Certification Board
>>
>> 1:00 - 5:00 pm?NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND REHABILITATION PROFESSIONALS
>> Madrid Room, Tower mezzanine
>>     1:00 pm?Registration; 2:00 pm?Meeting begins
>> Network, share mutual interests, find placement
>> strategies, and examine and discuss concerns and
>> current issues.  Melody Lindsey, President
>>
>> 1:00 - 5:00 pm??SENIORS IN CHARGE??NFB SENIORS
>> DIVISION MEETING AND (SOMEWHAT) SILENT AUCTION
>> Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Join us to hear enthusiastic seniors share ideas
>> about what they are doing; find out ways to
>> spread our message of hope to seniors who have
>> recently become blind.  And then, of course, we
>> are also having our very popular not-so-silent auction. Judy Sanders,
>> President
>>
>> 1:00 - 6:00 pm?HUMAN SERVICES DIVISION
>> Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine
>>     1:00?Registration; 2:00?Meeting begins; 5:00?Mingle and network
>> Psychologists; social workers; counselors; and
>> music, art, or dance therapists meet to discuss
>> topics and network.  David Stayer, President
>>
>> 1:30 3:00 pm?CULTURAL EXCHANGE AND INTERNATIONAL PROGRAM COMMITTEE
>> Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Diane McGeorge, Chairperson
>>
>> 1:30 - 4:30 pm?WRITERS DIVISION BUSINESS MEETING
>> Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Update members on division business, announce the
>> 2010 winners of the youth and adult writing
>> contests, visit with a published author and
>> member of the NFB, and plan for the future. Robert Leslie Newman, 
>> President
>>
>>
>>    MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued
>>
>> 3:00 - 5:00 pm?NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND PIANO TECHNICIANS
>> Wedgwood Room, Tower lobby
>> Piano tuning has long been considered one of the
>> stereotypical career choices for the blind.  Is
>> this true? What can we do about it? Don Mitchell, President
>>
>> 5:00 - 6:30 pm?NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND LAWYERS (NABL) RECEPTION
>> L?Entrecote Room, Atrium lobby
>> For NABL members and seminar participants only to
>> promote networking and fellowship within our
>> membership. Hors d'oeuvres and cash bar available.
>> Scott LaBarre, President
>>
>> 5:00 - 7:00 pm?BRAILLE BOOK FLEA MARKET
>> De Soto A & B Rooms, West Wing
>> A book lover?s dream! Browse tables of new and
>> used Braille and print/Braille books.  UPS
>> volunteers will ship the books to your home free
>> of charge.  Donations requested to support the
>> Braille Readers are Leaders program.  Cosponsored
>> by NOPBC and NAPUB.  Coordinator: Peggy Chong
>>
>> 5:30 - 7:00 pm?KURZWEIL 1000 USERS? CONTINGENT
>> Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Join the Kurzweil 1000 Users? Contingent!  Meet
>> with Steve Baum, Vice President of Engineering,
>> and share some Kurzweil 1000
>> experiences.  Kurzweil 1000 is our
>> state-of-the-art, text-to-speech and life
>> navigation software for blind and visually impaired readers.
>>
>> 6:00 - 9:00 pm?INDOOR ROWING; SPORTS & REC DIVISION
>> Coronado Ballroom, West Wing
>> Lisamaria Martinez, President
>>
>> 6:00 - 10:00 pm?BACK TO BASICS: FOUNDATIONS IN
>> MEMBERSHIP AND CHAPTER DEVELOPMENT
>> Sapphire Room, Tower lobby
>> Topics: running a purposeful chapter meeting,
>> building membership, community projects and
>> chapter fundraising, working with youth, and
>> weaving Federation philosophy into local
>> meetings.  Presented by the NFB Affiliate Action Team
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued
>>
>> 6:00 - 10:00 pm?NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF GUIDE DOG
>> USERS (NAGDU) SILVER ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION AND SEMINAR
>> Emerald Room, Tower lobby
>>     6:00 pm?Registration; 7:00 pm?Seminar begins
>> Join us in celebrating twenty-five years of
>> education and advocacy on behalf of guide dog
>> users, recognize our founders and past leaders,
>> initiate future projects, and ?test drive? a
>> guide dog!  Marion Gwizdala, President
>>
>> 6:30 - 9:30 pm?SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING DIVISION
>> Wyeth Room, Atrium mezzanine
>>    6:30 pm?Registration; 7:00 pm?Meeting begins
>> John Miller, President
>>
>> 6:30 - 10:00 pm?ASSISTIVE TECHNOLOGY TRAINERS DIVISION
>> Manchester Room, Tower mezzanine
>>    6:30 pm?Registration; 7:00 pm?Meeting begins
>> Topics: determining the right note taker for your
>> student; plunging without fear into Windows 7
>> with Cathyanne Murtha of Access Technology
>> Institute; Jsay Pro; and teaching the Mac.  Michael Barber, President
>>
>> 7:00 - 8:30 pm??BROKEN-HEARTED RIVER TO FREEDOM?
>> a play by Jerry Whittle (Admission: $5.00; Second
>> Performance is at 9:00 pm)
>> Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby
>> A man loses his sight during the Civil War,
>> returns home, and learns to deal with his
>> blindness and family.  The play is performed by
>> the Louisiana Center for the Blind Players;
>> proceeds go to the Louisiana Center for the
>> Blind?s summer training program for blind children.
>>
>> 7:00 - 9:00 pm?CLASSICS, ANTIQUES, AND RODS
>> (CARS) DIVISION SEMINAR AND BUSINESS MEETING
>> Obelisk B Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Come and hear speakers from automobile clubs talk
>> about their activities and participate in the
>> division business meeting. Joseph B. Naulty, President
>>
>> 7:00 - 9:00 pm?COMMITTEE TO EMPOWER UNDERSERVED POPULATIONS
>> Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Ron Brown, Chairperson
>>
>>    MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued
>>
>> 7:00 - 9:00 pm?NATIONAL ASSOCIATION TO PROMOTE
>> THE USE OF BRAILLE (NAPUB) SEMINAR
>> Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Hear about the remaining commemorative Louis
>> Braille silver dollars and how to get one, NFB
>> Share Braille Website, and more.  Nadine Jacobson, President
>>
>> 7:00 - 10:00 pm?INDEPENDENCE SCIENCE FOCUS GROUP TWO
>> Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> (Preregistration by May 15 was required to
>> attend.) Independence Science LLC, in
>> collaboration with Purdue University researchers,
>> is collecting feedback on a new portable handheld
>> data collection device for blind students to use
>> in high school science laboratories.
>>
>> 7:30 - 8:30 pm?ME AND THE GOSSIP GIRLS?NFB YOUTH TRACK
>> Dardenelles Room, Atrium mezzanine?Ages 11-14
>> Inverness Room, Atrium mezzanine?Ages 14-18
>> Girls?bring your questions and thoughts about
>> makeup, dating, or how to get more involved in
>> your school.  Discussions will be led by blind
>> mentors.  Parents, please respect this is for teens only!
>>
>> 7:30 - 8:30 pm? ME AND THE GUYS?NFB YOUTH TRACK
>> Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine?Ages 11-14
>> Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine?Ages 14-18
>> Guys?talk about cars, dating, school, or how to
>> nail that perfect job to make a little extra
>> money.  Discussions will be led by blind mentors.
>> Parents, please respect this is for teens only!
>>
>> 7:30 - 8:45 pm?WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?  NFB
>> JERNIGAN INSTITUTE DISCUSSIONS?SESSION THREE
>> Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Session Three covers education programs.
>> Moderated by Mark A. Riccobono, Executive Director, NFB Jernigan 
>> Institute
>>
>> 7:30 - 10:00 pm?COMMITTEE FOR THE PROMOTION,
>> EVALUATION, AND ADVANCEMENT OF TECHNOLOGY
>> Travertine Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Hear exhibitors explain briefly what they are
>> exhibiting and where they are located in the
>> exhibit hall.  We will also evaluate the
>> effectiveness of what our Committee is doing now
>> and consider programs for the coming year. Gary Wunder, Chairperson
>>    MONDAY, JULY 5, Continued
>>
>> 8:00 - 9:00 pm?FRIENDS OF RECOVERY MEETING
>> Library Room, Tower mezzanine
>> All convention delegates involved in or
>> interested in twelve-step recovery programs are
>> invited to attend.  A second Friends of Recovery
>> meeting will be on Wednesday at 8:00 pm.  Coordinator: Gary Ray
>>
>> 9:00 - 10:30 pm??BROKEN-HEARTED RIVER TO FREEDOM?
>> a play by Jerry Whittle (Admission: $5.00)
>> Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby
>> A man loses his sight during the Civil War,
>> returns home, and learns to deal with his
>> blindness and family.  The play is performed by
>> the Louisiana Center for the Blind Players;
>> proceeds go to the Louisiana Center for the
>> Blind?s summer training program for blind children.
>>
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>>    TUESDAY, JULY 6, 2010
>>
>> 8:00 - 8:45 am?DEVOTIONS
>> Sapphire Room, Tower lobby
>>
>> 8:15 8:45 am?REGISTRATION ($20); BANQUET AND
>> BARBEQUE TICKET SALES ($45 EACH)?Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby
>>
>>
>>
>>          OPENING GENERAL SESSION
>>
>> 9:00 am INVOCATION
>>
>> 9:35 am WELCOMING CEREMONIES
>>
>> 9:55 am CELEBRATION OF FREEDOM: VETERANS RECOGNIZED
>> Dwight Sayer, President, National Association of
>> Blind Veterans, National Federation of the Blind; Winter Gardens, Florida
>>
>> 10:05 am        A DEFENSE DEPARTMENT PRIORITY FOR BLIND WOUNDED WARRIORS
>> Colonel Donald Gagliano, M.D., Executive
>> Director, Department of Defense/Department of
>> Veterans Affairs Vision Center of Excellence; Washington, D.C.
>>
>> 10:20 am        ROLL CALL OF STATES AND APPOINTMENT OF NOMINATING 
>> COMMITTEE
>>
>> 11:45 am        REPORTS AND RESOLUTIONS
>>
>> 12:00 pm        ADJOURN
>>
>>
>>
>> 12:00 noon 12:30 pm and 1:30 - 2:00
>> pm?REGISTRATION ($20); FINAL BANQUET TICKET SALES
>> ($45)?Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby
>>
>> 12:00 noon - 1:45 pm?INDEPENDENCE MARKET AND
>> SHOWROOM OF INNOVATION?Grand Ballroom, Atrium lobby
>>
>>
>>    TUESDAY, JULY 6, Continued
>>
>> 12:00 noon 1:45 pm?EXHIBITS?Khmer Pavilion, Atrium, third level
>>
>> 12:15 - 1:45 pm?LOUISIANA CENTER FOR THE BLIND
>> ALUMNI LUNCHEON; Pam Allen, Director
>> Peacock Terrace, West Wing
>>
>>
>>
>> GENERAL SESSION
>>
>> 2:00 pm CALL TO ORDER
>>
>> 2:05 pm PRESIDENTIAL REPORT, Marc Maurer
>>
>> 3:00 pm THE FEDERATION IN THE WORLD FROM THE
>> PERSPECTIVE OF THE BLIND CIVIL RIGHTS LEADER AND SENATOR IN THAILAND
>>       Monthian Buntan, Senator; Bangkok, Thailand
>>
>> 3:20 pm THE BLIND DRIVER OPERATING A VEHICLE AT
>> SPEED: CREATING THE TECHNOLOGY THAT PUTS THE CONTROLS UNDER OUR HANDS
>> Parnell Diggs, Esq., Coordinator, Race for
>> Independence; President, National Federation of
>> the Blind of South Carolina; Garden City, South Carolina
>>
>> 3:35 pm SWEP AND THE BARS OF OUR PRISON
>> Scott LaBarre, Esq., LaBarre Law Offices;
>> President, National Federation of the Blind of Colorado; Denver, Colorado
>>
>> 3:50 pm THE XAVIER SOCIETY FOR THE BLIND: SERVING THE BLIND SINCE 1900
>> Father John R. Sheehan, S.J., Chairman, Board of
>> Directors, Xavier Society for the Blind; New York, New York
>>
>> 4:05 pm ONE MILLION BOOKS FOR THE PRINT DISABLED AND MORE TO COME
>> Brewster Kahle, Digital Librarian; San Francisco, California
>>
>>
>>
>>    TUESDAY, JULY 6, Continued
>>
>> 4:20 pm NOT JUST SURVIVING THE DISASTER OF
>> SEPTEMBER 11 BUT PROVIDING LEADERSHIP IN A DEADLY EMERGENCY
>> Michael Hingson, President, Michael Hingson Group; Novato, California
>>
>> 4:35 pm REPORTS AND RESOLUTIONS
>>
>> 5:00 pm ADJOURN
>>
>>
>>
>> 5:30 - 6:30 pm?NOMINATING COMMITTEE
>> De La Salle Room, West Wing
>>
>> 5:30 - 6:30 pm?NFB-LINK, OUR ONLINE MENTORING PROGRAM
>> Affiliate Action Suite 2372
>> Come help us honor the over 250 mentors that are
>> a part of NFB-LINK and learn how you can become a
>> mentor, too. NFB-LINK is our online mentoring
>> program, and by becoming a mentor, you will see
>> how a little time on the computer can make a huge
>> difference. Current and future mentors, please attend!
>>
>> 6:00 pm?NFB OF TEXAS BARBEQUE AND LIVE MUSIC
>> Anatole Park
>> Enjoy eating a delicious Texas-style barbeque
>> with all of the trimmings while listening to the
>> music of singer/songwriter/guitarist Brian Burns,
>> with friends Tommy Alverson and Davin James.
>>
>> 6:00 - 8:00 pm?AMERICAN FOUNDATION FOR THE BLIND
>> INTRODUCES AccessWorld  EVERY MONTH AND NEW ONLINE COMMUNITY RESOURCES
>> Peacock Terrace, West Wing
>> You are invited to our informational reception.
>> Announcing AFB AccessWorld, every month?more
>> authors, more information, more often.
>> CareerConnect, FamilyConnect, and SeniorSite
>> offer newly-expanded opportunities. Network with
>> families, seniors, and successful mentors. We look forward to meeting 
>> you.
>>
>>
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>>
>>    TUESDAY, JULY 6, Continued
>>
>> 6:00 - 9:00 pm?DEAFBLIND DIVISION BUSINESS MEETING & ELECTIONS
>> Obelisk B Room, Atrium mezzanine
>>     6:00 pm?Registration; 7:00 pm?Meeting begins
>> Burnell Brown, President
>>
>> 6:30 - 8:00 pm?MUSIC TECH WORKSHOP
>> Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Conducted by Cameron Strife; presented by the NFB Performing Arts 
>> Division
>>
>> 6:30 - 9:00 pm?COLORADO CENTER FOR THE BLIND OPEN HOUSE
>> Topaz Room, Tower lobby
>> Discover how good training can change your life. Julie Deden, Director
>>
>> 7:00 - 8:00 pm?ASTRONOMY AT YOUR FINGERTIPS (Ages 6-14)
>> Morocco Room, Tower mezzanine
>> Fun-filled astronomy-related activities in an
>> out-of-this-world workshop!  Instructor: Noreen Grice
>>
>> 7:00 - 8:30 pm?BOOKSHARE AT NFB MEMBER PARTY
>> Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Enjoy snacks and refreshments while meeting the
>> Bookshare staff. This is your opportunity to talk
>> with us and share your ideas; we?re here to
>> listen.  Plan to have fun with contests,
>> drawings, and interacting with your fellow
>> members.  We look forward to seeing you.
>>
>> 7:00 - 8:30 pm?NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS
>>          IEP Workshop for Beginners
>>          Madrid Room, Tower mezzanine
>>          Focusing on evaluations, goals, strategies, and the law.
>>          Instructor: Carlton Walker
>>
>>          Getting to Yes
>>          Manchester Room, Tower mezzanine
>>          Getting the team to work together so that it benefits your 
>> child.
>>          Instructor: Dan Frye
>>
>>          Tactile Maps and the Development of Spatial Awareness
>>          Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
>>          Exploring ways to promote the development of spatial awareness.
>>          Instructor: Debbie Kent Stein
>>    TUESDAY, JULY 6, Continued
>>
>> 7:00 - 9:00 pm?NFB KRAFTERS DIVISION BUSINESS MEETING
>> Fleur-de-lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Unveiling new craft initiatives, including
>> discussion on classes available via telephone
>> conference and information on our Monday night
>> nationwide chats. We are seeking teachers and students for crafting 
>> classes.
>> Joyce Kane, President
>>
>> 7:00 - 9:00 pm?LEGISLATIVE STRATEGIES SEMINAR:
>> MOVING LEGISLATION ON THE STATE AND NATIONAL LEVEL
>> Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Each affiliate should send one representative.
>> Learn the best methods of increasing support for
>> our legislative priorities.  Changing lives
>> through laws is our business. Led by Jesse
>> Hartle, Lauren McLarney, and Ronza Othman
>>
>> 7:00 - 10:00 pm?A SPECIAL EVENING FOR SPONSOR-LEVEL EXHIBITORS
>> Khmer Pavilion, Atrium, Third Level
>> The exhibit hall reopens for an evening dedicated
>> solely to sponsor-level exhibitors. Come and
>> bring a guest to say ?thank you? to our sponsors and to
>> enjoy their interesting offers and
>> demonstrations. Our convention sponsors are:
>> Title: Deque Systems, Inc.; Platinum: HumanWare
>> and UPS; Gold: Freedom Scientific and Oracle;
>> Silver: Adobe; Bronze: National Industries for
>> the Blind (NIB); and Exhibit Hall: En-Vision
>> America, GW Micro, Inc., Independence Science,
>> LLC, Independent Living Aids (ILA), Intel
>> Corporation, Olympus, Recording for the Blind &
>> Dyslexic (RFB&D), Sendero Group, and Vanda Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
>>
>> 7:00 - 10:00 pm?THE BEST THROWBACK PARTY AND
>> DANCE EVER!   NFB YOUTH TRACK (Ages 14-18)
>> Metropolitan Ballroom, Tower mezzanine
>> Choose your favorite decade and come dressed in
>> your best digs.  Compete in hula hoop contests,
>> learn the ?YMCA,? or show us your best moon walk
>> while dressed as the late Michael Jackson in the
>> 80?s.  Prizes will be given to the best-dressed
>> or most creative throwback participants.
>>
>> 8:00 - 9:00 pm?BEP: U.S. CURRENCY IDENTIFICATION
>> FOCUS GROUP Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Representatives of the U.S. Dept. of the
>> Treasury?s Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP)
>> and the Office of Product Development provide an
>> update on BEP?s progress to provide blind
>> individuals with access to U.S. currency and
>> discuss concepts it is currently testing.
>> (Session Two: Wednesday at 7:00 pm.)
>>    TUESDAY, JULY 6, Continued
>>
>> 8:00 - 9:00 pm?PERFORMING ARTS DIVISION SEMINAR
>> Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> A seminar on division development; discuss the
>> future of the Performing Arts Division and ways
>> to make it even better.  Conducted by division
>> board member, Jordy Stringer.  Dennis H.R. Sumlin, President
>>
>> 8:30 - 9:30 pm?HOW TO HOLD A VOTER REGISTRATION DRIVE IN SIX EASY STEPS
>> Edelweiss Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Learn how to plan and host a voter registration
>> drive that will attract new members to your
>> chapter and serve your local community.
>> Coordinator: Lou Ann Blake, NFB Jernigan Institute
>>
>> 8:30 - 10:00 pm?NOPBC CONCURRENT SESSIONS FOR PARENTS
>>
>>          IEP Workshop for Veteran Parents
>>          Madrid Room, Tower mezzanine
>>          Instructor: Carlton Walker
>>
>>          Testing and Accommodations
>>          Manchester Room, Tower mezzanine
>>          Instructors: Barbara Mathews and a representative of the College
>> Board
>>
>>          Adapting and Creating Useable Materials for Students
>>          Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
>>          Instructor: Pat Renfranz
>>
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>>    WEDNESDAY, JULY 7, 2010
>>
>> 8:00 - 8:45 am?DEVOTIONS
>> Sapphire Room, Tower lobby
>>
>> 8:15 8:45 am?REGISTRATION ($20)?Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby
>>
>>
>>
>>          GENERAL SESSION
>>
>> 9:00 am INVOCATION
>>
>> 9:05 am ELECTIONS
>>
>> 9:50 am THE APEX AND OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AT HUMANWARE
>> Gilles Pepin, Chief Executive Officer, HumanWare; Drummondville, Canada
>>
>> 10:10 am        THE FAILURE OF THE EDUCATIONAL
>> SYSTEM IN MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE BLIND
>>
>> MARK RICCOBONO, Moderator; Executive Director,
>> National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute; Baltimore, Maryland
>>
>> SHEILA AMATO, Ed.D., University Teacher Trainer; Massapequa Park, New 
>> York
>>
>> NOREEN GRICE, Founder and President of You Can Do
>> Astronomy, LLC; New Britain, Connecticut
>>
>> LAURA WEBBER, Secretary, National Organization of
>> Parents of Blind Children; Houston, Texas
>>
>> ERIC VASILIAUSKAS, M.D., parent and advocate; Los Angeles, California
>>
>> 11:10 am        ASSURING INTERNET ACCESSIBILITY
>> Preety Kumar, Chief Executive Officer, Deque Systems, Inc.; Reston, 
>> Virginia
>>
>>
>>    WEDNESDAY, JULY 7, Continued
>>
>> 11:30 am        REPORTS AND RESOLUTIONS
>>
>> 12:00 pm        ADJOURN
>>
>>
>>
>> 12:00 noon 12:30 pm and 1:30 - 2:00 pm?REGISTRATION ($20)
>> Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby
>>
>> 12:00 noon - 1:45 pm?INDEPENDENCE MARKET AND
>> SHOWROOM OF INNOVATION (Final time period to be
>> open)?Grand Ballroom, Atrium lobby
>>
>> 12:00 noon 1:45 pm?EXHIBITS?Khmer Pavilion, Atrium, third level
>>
>>
>>
>>          GENERAL SESSION
>>
>> 2:00 pm CALL TO ORDER
>>
>> 2:05 pm FINANCIAL REPORT
>>
>> 3:05 pm STRATEGIC INITIATIVES REPORT
>> John Par?, Executive Director for Strategic
>> Initiatives, National Federation of the Blind; Baltimore, Maryland
>>
>> Jesse Hartle, Governmental Affairs Specialist,
>> National Federation of the Blind; Baltimore, Maryland
>>
>> Lauren McLarney, Governmental Affairs Specialist,
>> National Federation of the Blind; Baltimore, Maryland
>>
>> 3:35 pm REPORTS, RESOLUTIONS, AND OTHER BUSINESS
>>
>> 5:00 pm ADJOURN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    WEDNESDAY, JULY 7, Continued
>>
>> 7:00 - 8:00 pm?BEP: U.S. CURRENCY IDENTIFICATION
>> FOCUS GROUP Steuben Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Representatives of the U.S. Dept. of the
>> Treasury?s Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP)
>> and the Office of Product Development provide an
>> update on BEP?s progress to provide blind
>> individuals with access to U.S. currency and
>> discuss concepts it is currently testing.
>>
>> 7:00 - 8:15 pm?EXPERIENCE THE BLIO READER: MAKING
>> THE WORLD?S BOOKS ENJOYABLE, USABLE, AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
>> Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Presented by James Gashel
>>
>> 7:00 - 8:30 pm?NFB IMAGINATION FUND GRANT-WRITING SEMINAR
>> Fleur-de-Lis B Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Each affiliate should send at least one
>> representative to this seminar. Learn to plan,
>> write, and submit a strong grant application;
>> discover key points and strategies about how to
>> identify appropriate funders and submit a winning
>> proposal.  Mark A. Riccobono, Executive Director, NFB Jernigan Institute
>>
>> 7:00 - 9:00 pm?WHAT?S NEW WITH NFB-NEWSLINE?
>> Lalique Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Learn about the NFB?s free audible newspaper
>> service for the blind and visually
>> impaired.  Topics cover Podable News, the new
>> voices, the new on-demand article request
>> feature, and more.  Sign up for NFB-NEWSLINE? at its exhibit hall table.
>>
>> 7:00 9:00 pm??SOCIAL SECURITY AND SUPPLEMENTAL
>> SECURITY INCOME: WHAT APPLICANTS, ADVOCATES, AND
>> RECIPIENTS SHOULD KNOW? SEMINAR
>> Sapphire Room, Tower lobby
>> Topics: Social Security and SSI benefits,
>> including eligibility criteria, the application
>> process, reporting obligations, and appeals
>> process.  Also get information on the Medicare
>> prescription drug benefit income subsidy program.
>> Presenter: Ronza Othman
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    WEDNESDAY, JULY 7, Continued
>>
>> 7:00 10:00 pm?EXHIBITS?Khmer Pavilion, Atrium third level
>>
>> 7:00 - 11:00 pm?TENTH ANNUAL SHOWCASE OF TALENT?Fee: $5.00
>> Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium lobby
>> Register early by contacting Performing Arts
>> Division leaders at the convention by Tuesday.
>> Proceeds benefit the division?s scholarship
>> program and other programs. Sponsored by the
>> Performing Arts Division; Dennis H.R. Sumlin, President
>>
>> 7:00 - 11:00 pm?NON 24-HOUR SLEEP WAKE DISORDER SEMINAR
>> Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Circadian rhythm sleep disorders in totally blind
>> people. Total loss of light perception prevents
>> synchronization of circadian body clock rhythms
>> to the 24-hour day, leading to cyclic insomnia
>> and daytime napping. The causes of this sleep
>> disorder and possible treatment options will be presented and discussed.
>>
>> 7:30 - 9:00 pm?INTRODUCTION TO ORACLE SIEBEL CALL CENTER
>> Obelisk B Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Don Mauck, Accessibility Evangelist at Oracle,
>> will demonstrate the accessibility features built
>> into the Oracle Siebel Call Center. Oracle CRM
>> products are used by more than 4,000 enterprises
>> and more than 4.6 million business users; these
>> enterprises represent potential employment opportunities for the blind.
>>
>> 8:00 - 9:00 pm?FRIENDS OF RECOVERY MEETING
>> Library Room, Tower mezzanine
>> All convention delegates involved in or
>> interested in twelve-step recovery programs are
>> invited to attend.  Gary Ray, Coordinator
>>
>> 8:00 - 10:00 pm?COMMITTEE ON AUTOMOBILE AND
>> PEDESTRIAN SAFETY (CAPS); Deborah Kent Stein, Chairperson
>> Fleur-de-Lis A Room, Atrium mezzanine
>>
>> 8:00 - 10:00 pm?COMMITTEE ON RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT
>> Rosetta Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> For the most part, technological developments
>> tend to exclude blind people.  Developers must
>> change the ways future technologies are
>> designed.  Join us?perhaps you can suggest a
>> technology or approach that nobody else has
>> considered.  Curtis Chong, Chairperson
>>
>>
>>    WEDNESDAY, JULY 7, Continued
>>
>> 8:00 - 11:30 pm?MONTE CARLO NIGHT
>> Metropolitan Ballroom, Tower mezzanine
>> Try your luck at any of the usual card games found on a casino floor.
>> Sponsored by the National Association of Blind Students
>>
>> 8:30 - 9:45 pm?EXPERIENCE THE BLIO READER: MAKING
>> THE WORLD?S BOOKS ENJOYABLE, USABLE, AND ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE!
>> Peridot Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> Presented by James Gashel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    THURSDAY, JULY 8, 2010
>>
>> 8:00 - 8:45 am?DEVOTIONS
>> Sapphire Room, Tower lobby
>>
>> 8:15 8:45 am?REGISTRATION ($20)?Final opportunity to register.
>> Chantilly Foyer Area, Tower lobby
>>
>>
>>
>> GENERAL SESSION
>> 9:00 am INVOCATION
>>
>> 9:05 am BUYING AND SELLING ONLINE: EBAY BUILDS
>> ACCESSIBILITY FOR THE BLIND INTO ITS PLATFORM
>> Dane Glasgow, Vice President, Buyer Experience
>> Product Management, Ebay, Inc.; San Jose, California
>>
>> 9:20 am BRAILLE IS LITERACY
>> Deane Blazie, Inventor; Hobe Sound, Florida
>>
>> 9:35 am EIGHTY-FOUR LANGUAGES AND GROWING
>> Frank Kurt Cylke, Director, National Library
>> Service for the Blind and Physically Handicapped,
>> Library of Congress; Washington, D.C.
>>
>> David Fernandez-Barrial, Foreign Language
>> Librarian, National Library Service for the Blind
>> and Physically Handicapped, Library of Congress; Washington, D.C.
>>
>> 9:55 am QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION
>>
>> 10:00 am        EDUCATING BLIND CHILDREN: CHANGING THE PARADIGM
>> Fredric K. Schroeder, Ph.D.; Research Professor;
>> San Diego State University; Vienna, Virginia
>>
>> 10:20 am        TOWARD FULL EMPLOYMENT FOR BLIND AMERICANS
>> Lynnae Ruttledge, Commissioner, Rehabilitation
>> Services Administration, United States Department
>> of Education; Washington, D.C.
>>
>>
>>
>>    THURSDAY, JULY 8, Continued
>>
>> 10:35 am        ACCESSIBLE EDUCATION FOR ALL,
>> INCLUDING THE BLIND: MEETING THE STANDARD
>> Jessica Finnefrock, Senior Vice President,
>> Product Development, Blackboard; Washington, D.C.
>>
>> 10:50 am        ACCESSIBLE DESIGN, A MODEL FOR THE FUTURE
>> Steve Eastman, President, Target.com; Minneapolis, Minnesota
>>
>> 11:05 am        LOCATION-BASED SERVICES USING BUS
>> STOP AND GEOCODED MEDIA CONTENT
>> Mike May, Chief Executive Officer, Sendero Group; Davis, California
>>
>> 11:20 am        BLIND CAR BUILDER? WE?RE HERE TO TELL YOU!
>> Marcus Simmons, Chief Executive Officer, Simmons
>> BOSS CREATIONS; Southfield, Michigan
>>
>> 11:35 am        REPORTS AND RESOLUTIONS
>>
>> 12:00 pm        ADJOURN
>>
>>
>>
>> 12:00 noon - 1:45 pm?HAM RADIO GROUP BUSINESS MEETING
>> Milan Room, Tower mezzanine
>> D. Curtis Willoughby (ka0vba), Chairperson
>>
>> 12:00 noon - 1:45 pm?RAFFLES AND DRAWINGS
>> Sapphire Room, Tower lobby
>>
>> 12:15 - 1:45 pm?EVERYTHING YOU'VE EVER WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THE NLS
>> Obelisk A Room, Atrium mezzanine
>> A question-and-answer session with Frank Kurt Cylke, Director, and staff 
>> of
>> the
>> National Library Service for the Blind and
>> Physically Handicapped, Library of Congress.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    THURSDAY, JULY 8, Continued
>>
>>
>>
>>          GENERAL SESSION
>>
>> 2:00 pm CALL TO ORDER
>>
>> 2:05 pm COPYRIGHT AND THE RIGHT TO READ
>> Marybeth Peters, Esq., Register of Copyrights,
>> Library of Congress, Copyright Office; Washington, D.C.
>>
>> 2:20 pm THE FUTURE OF BOOKS AND BEYOND
>> Ray Kurzweil, President and Chief Executive
>> Officer, K-NFB Reading Technology, Inc.; Wellesley Hills, Massachusetts
>>
>> 2:40 pm CALLING ALL DRIVERS: ADVANCING
>> LEADERSHIP, COLLECTIVE ACTION, AND THE BOUNDARIES OF INDEPENDENCE
>> Mark Riccobono, Executive Director, National
>> Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute; Baltimore, Maryland
>>
>> 3:00 pm THE INTERFACE THAT TOUCHES THE MIND:
>> ADVANCING BEYOND AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES
>> Dennis Hong, Ph.D., Director, Robotics and
>> Mechanisms Laboratory, Virginia Polytechnic Institute; Blacksburg, 
>> Virginia
>>
>> 3:15 pm A PRACTICING BLIND PHYSICIAN
>> Timothy Cordes M.D./Ph.D., Resident in
>> Psychiatry, University of Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics; Madison, 
>> Wisconsin
>>
>> 3:30 pm DR. JACOB BOLOTIN AWARD
>> Gary Wunder, Chairperson, Dr. Jacob Bolotin Award
>> Committee, and Secretary, National Federation of the Blind; Columbia,
>> Missouri
>>
>> 4:10 pm DISABILITY POLICY FROM THE WHITE HOUSE
>> Kareem Dale, Special Assistant to the President
>> on Disability Policy; Washington, D.C.
>>
>> 4:25 pm REPORTS AND RESOLUTIONS
>>
>>
>>    THURSDAY, JULY 8, Continued
>>
>> 5:00 pm ADJOURN
>>
>>
>>
>> 7:00 pm?BANQUET
>> Chantilly Ballroom, Tower lobby
>> INVOCATION
>> MASTER OF CEREMONIES:  Fredric K. Schroeder
>> INTRODUCTIONS AND PRESENTATIONS
>> BANQUET ADDRESS: Marc Maurer
>> SCHOLARSHIP AWARDS
>>
>> 11:00 pm?SCIENCE FICTION MEETING
>> All persons interested in science fiction and
>> fantasy are welcome to join in an open
>> discussion.  Please contact Ed Meskys for room location.
>>
>>
>>   Thank You...
>>
>>          The National Federation of the Blind
>> acknowledges with gratitude our Title, Platinum,
>> Gold, Silver, Bronze, and Exhibit Hall Convention
>> Sponsors below. Their messages follow.
>>
>> Title Sponsor:
>> Deque Systems, Inc.
>>
>> Platinum Sponsors:
>> HumanWare
>> UPS
>>
>> Gold Sponsors:
>> Freedom Scientific
>> Oracle
>>
>> Silver Sponsor:
>> Adobe
>>
>> Bronze Sponsor:
>> National Industries for the Blind (NIB)
>>
>> Exhibit Hall Sponsors:
>> En-Vision America
>> GW Micro, Inc.
>> Independence Science, LLC
>> Independent Living Aids (ILA)
>> Intel Corporation
>> Olympus
>> Recording for the Blind & Dyslexic (RFB&D)
>> Sendero Group
>> Vanda Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
>>
>>
>>
>>                          David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
>> Follow me on Twitter:  http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 19:39:46 -0400
>> From: Katy Carroll <kc2992a at student.american.edu>
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] disability law programs
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTikTRvMVJ6KDLON9SWsQlVr4d78gizS3ha5Q8q9W at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I remember someone not too far back asking which law schools have 
>> disability
>> law programs. At the time, I only knew about Syracuse University and
>> American University, but I recently found a directory of Disability 
>> Programs
>> at law schools provided by the American Bar Association and thought I 
>> would
>> share.
>> The website is:
>>
>> http://new.abanet.org/disability/Pages/lawschools.aspx
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> --
>> Kathryn CARROLL
>> BlueLaw International LLP
>> 703-647-7508
>> Cell: 631-521-3018
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 19:45:04 -0500
>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org,
>> Subject: [nabs-l] 2010 NFB convention agenda in DAISY format
>> Message-ID: <auto-000154486128 at mailfront2.g2host.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>
>>
>>>From: Greg Kearney <gkearney at gmail.com>
>>>Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 14:15:55 +0800
>>>To: Discussion of Digital Talking Books
>>><dtb-talk at nfbnet.org>,  president at nfbutah.org, nfbnj
>>>  <nfbnj at comcast.net>
>>>Subject: [Dtb-talk] 2010 NFB convention agenda in DAISY format
>>>
>>>Once again we have undertaken to produce the NFB convention agenda
>>>in DAISY format. The 2010 NFB convention agenda can be downloaded
>>>from the following web page:
>>>
>>>www.guidedogswa.org
>>>
>>>The DAISY version features the following navigation features.
>>>
>>>Major sections are at the first navigation level.
>>>Days are at the second navigation level.
>>>Agenda items are at the third navigation level.
>>>
>>>See you all in Dallas.
>>>
>>>
>>>Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
>>>Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
>>>PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 
>>>6100
>>>Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
>>>Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
>>>Email: greg.kearney at guidedogswa.com.au
>>>Email: gkearney at gmail.com
>>>
>>
>>                          David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
>> Follow me on Twitter:  http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 19:57:46 -0500
>> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] F2010 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium
>> Message-ID: <auto-000154486198 at mailfront2.g2host.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>>
>>
>>>From: "Blake, Lou Ann" <LBlake at nfb.org>
>>>To: "NFBnet Blind Law Mailing List" <blindlaw at nfbnet.org>
>>>Subject: [blindlaw] 2010 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium
>>>
>>>Dear Blindlaw list members:
>>>
>>>Links to recordings of the plenary sessions and keynote addresses from
>>>the 2010 Jacobus tenBroek Disability Law Symposium are now available on
>>>the symposium Web page.  Go to http://www.nfb.org/nfb/Law_Symposium.asp
>>>to hear:
>>>
>>>Theme Keynote Address
>>>
>>>Tony Coelho, Chairman of the Board, American Association of People with
>>>Disabilities
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Panel I--Changing the Game
>>>
>>>Presenter: Richard Brown, Chief Judge, Wisconsin Court of Appeals
>>>
>>>Presenter: David Ferleger, Esquire, Law Office of David Ferleger
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>2010 Keynote Address
>>>
>>>Thomas Perez, Assistant Attorney General, Civil Rights Division, United
>>>States Department of Justice
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Panel II--Education Plenary Session
>>>
>>>Presenter: Leslie Seid Margolis, Managing Attorney, Education Unit,
>>>Maryland Disability Law Center
>>>
>>>Presenter: Mark Weber, Vincent dePaul Professor of Law, DePaul
>>>University College of Law
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Panel III--Caucus/Open Discussion
>>>
>>>Facilitator: Andrew Imparato, President and CEO, American Association of
>>>People with Disabilities
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Panel IV--Access to Technology Plenary Session
>>>
>>>Presenter: Dan Goldstein, Partner, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
>>>
>>>Presenter: Mehgan Sidhu, Esquire, Brown, Goldstein & Levy, LLP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Panel V--Medical Treatment/Ethics Plenary Session
>>>
>>>Presenter: Adrienne Asch, Director, Center for Ethics, Yeshiva
>>>University
>>>
>>>Presenter, Dan Brock, Director, Division of Medical Ethics, Harvard
>>>Medical School
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Lou Ann Blake, J.D.
>>>Law Symposium Coordinator
>>>Jacobus tenBroek Library
>>>Jernigan Institute
>>>NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
>>>200 East Wells Street
>>>     at Jernigan Place
>>>Baltimore, MD 21230
>>>Telephone: (410) 659-9314, ext. 2221
>>>Fax: (410) 659-5129
>>>E-mail: lblake at nfb.org <mailto:lblake at nfb.org>
>>>Web site: www.nfb.org <http://www.nfb.org/>
>>>
>>
>>                          David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
>> Follow me on Twitter:  http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:29:11 -0400
>> From: Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com>
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] disability law programs
>> Message-ID:
>> <AANLkTik8AZAYLtGqqQOiGC7w_DLRI-rmZDwqLrMpS7ym at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> Hi Katy!
>> I was the one asking about it and I greatly appreciate your help with 
>> this!
>> Justin
>>
>> On 5/31/10, Katy Carroll <kc2992a at student.american.edu> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I remember someone not too far back asking which law schools have
>>> disability
>>> law programs. At the time, I only knew about Syracuse University and
>>> American University, but I recently found a directory of Disability
>>> Programs
>>> at law schools provided by the American Bar Association and thought I
>>> would
>>> share.
>>> The website is:
>>>
>>> http://new.abanet.org/disability/Pages/lawschools.aspx
>>>
>>> Enjoy!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kathryn CARROLL
>>> BlueLaw International LLP
>>> 703-647-7508
>>> Cell: 631-521-3018
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:26:25 -0500
>> From: Hai Nguyen <gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: NFB of Illinois Mailing List <il-talk at nfbnet.org>,
>> iabs-talk at nfbnet.org, National Association of Blind Students mailing
>> list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Now reintroducing the Mobile Access Payment, MAP
>> Program
>> Message-ID: <D1904043-0791-42E5-891C-18C8A514EA00 at sbcglobal.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>
>>
>>
>> Tuesday, June 1, 2010
>> For Immediate Distribution
>>
>> Sales contact:
>> Earle Harrison
>> 651-636-5184
>> sales at handytech.us
>>
>>
>> Now reintroducing: Mobile Access Payment (MAP) Program
>>
>> Handy Tech North America in partnership with Code Factory, are pleased to
>> reintroduce a new financing option by which consumers may pay for any of 
>> the
>> Code Factory products over a twelve month period, interest-free.
>>
>> Are you tired of limited accessibility to mobile devices such as cell 
>> phones
>> and PDA?s? Have you ever been in a situation where you could have greatly
>> benefited from the use of an accessible GPS solution or Mobile screen
>> reader, but couldn?t justify the purchase due to the up-front cost? If
>> you?ve answered yes to any of these questions, you may be in a position 
>> to
>> take advantage of HTNA?s Mobile Access Payment Program, MAP. Originally
>> unveiled in April of 2009 as the first affordable means of obtaining 
>> access
>> to mobile accessibility by allowing individuals to purchase mobile screen
>> readers and GPS solutions through financing options. The MAP program was
>> suspended for a short time due to a few individuals who elected to 
>> default
>> on their financial commitment and limited recourse in HTNA?s efforts to
>> collect on a debt. These few individuals really ruined the program for 
>> all
>> of the honest people; however, now thanks to a new licensing system put 
>> into
>> place by Code Factory, the opportunity is once again available.
>>
>> The Mobile Access Payment (MAP) Program takes the sting out of your 
>> pocket
>> book and in spite of a struggling global economy, makes this life 
>> changing
>> technology attainable by people for whom the lump sum expenditure may be
>> prohibitive.
>>
>> United States residents may now purchase the award-winning Mobile Speak 
>> 4.0
>> mobile screen reader, Mobile Geo 2.5 GPS solution, as well as Mobile 
>> Speak
>> Adventure and Mobile Speak Gold software bundle packages on the 12 month 
>> MAP
>> payment program.
>>
>> This program is currently only available for the United States residents
>> purchasing their accessible solutions from Handy Tech North America, a
>> company well known for their work in modifying mainstream off-the-shelf
>> technology for use by people who are blind or have low vision and their 
>> high
>> quality of service and support. Thanks to Code Factory?s talented 
>> software
>> engineers, HTNA?s slogan "It?s all about adapting," now refers to 
>> purchasing
>> options as well as products.
>>
>> We're sorry; we are not able to offer hardware products such as mobile
>> phones or GPS receivers on the MAP Program at this time. As always, your
>> feedback is greatly appreciated.
>>
>> For more information about the MAP program, visit the Handy Tech web site
>> at: www.handytech.us.
>>
>> For more information about Code Factory products, visit the Code Factory 
>> web
>> site at: www.codefactory.es.
>>
>> Please note: The MAP program is being offered by Handy Tech North America
>> and Code Factory. All sales are final and under no circumstances will
>> adjustments to payments be made due to changes or fluctuations in retail
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>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:21:34 -0500
> From: "Sean Whalen" <smwhalenpsp at gmail.com>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Elections Conference Call
> Message-ID: <004401cb026f$acce7cb0$066b7610$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Good afternoon,
>
> On Sunday, June6th, at 8:30PM eastern, NABS will be holding a open 
> meeting,
> via conference call, to discuss NABS elections rules and procedures.
>
> As you may recall, there was a survey put out to the membership on NABS
> elections last fall. The conversation on this call will be directed by the
> responses which were provided to questions on that survey.
>
> The purpose of the call is to solicit input and suggestions on NABS'
> elections procedures from our membership. Issues of particular interest 
> for
> discussion will include:
>
> 1) The possibility of a NABS nominating committee
> 2) The possibility of staggering the elections of officers and board 
> members
> differently than the current 7/2 split mandated by the recent 
> constitutional
> amendment
> 3) Basic rules on the conduct of elections, e.g. for how long candidates 
> are
> allowed to speak
> 4) Methods of vote counting; Is it important that only members vote? Is
> there an alternative method of vote counting which would allow our 
> elections
> to be conducted independently by blind people?
>
> The ad hoc committee charged with presenting election procedure
> recommendations to the NABS Board is being CoChaired by Darian Smith and 
> me.
> If you have suggestions or input which you would like to share with the
> committee and are unable to make the call, please email us at
> smwhalenpsp at gmail.com and dsmithnfb at gmail.com.
>
> Karen Anderson and Janice Jeang will also serve on the NABS elections
> committee.
>
> Here is the dial in information for Sunday's 8:30 eastern call:
>
> Number: (712) 775-7100
> Participant Code: 257963
>
> We look forward to speaking with you on Sunday.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Sean Whalen
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  3 20:30:20 2010
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 16:30:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Means Testing for College Students
In-Reply-To: <4A8A811F193541FEB25B089105640605@blindinc.local>
References: <AANLkTilsVy1G27RZQm37sjjLaNJM9lz7h-_hhbHm0WUF@mail.gmail.com>, ,
	<COL118-W5508544765604E19FD46D6BAD00@phx.gbl>, ,
	<98C7ABB5FEFD4D598D9D5A64C91E45C9@blindinc.local>,
	<COL118-W8D695AF8BFF08E2E1651FBAD10@phx.gbl>,
	<4A8A811F193541FEB25B089105640605@blindinc.local>
Message-ID: <COL118-W218D38DDECE9907B26F631BAD10@phx.gbl>


Hello Al,
 
Thank you once again for responding to my message. I am not speaking from any particular personal situation, but rather on a broader basis as the Michigan Commission for the Blind looks at changing their overall policy for delivering services to college students. I am simply trying to find arguments to prevent the agency from adopting a means test despite what they want to call it when and if it comes up in a public meeting set for Monday, June 21, 2010. I am simply trying to do my part to make sure that the Commission adopts a new policy that actually follows federal regulations and favors the rights of blind college students.
 
Do you know who I could contact off the list that might be able to clarify some of the grey matters on this issue? As I write this response, I am wondering if it is right for the Commission to basically take away a student’s Social Security benefits and provide them with a monthly living allowance, or force a student to take out a loan to pay for a state sponsored college that does not charge the highest rates among state sponsored colleges in Michigan? I am currently not a client of the Commission, so I cannot say for sure what their current practices are in regards to providing services to college students, but these are a few things that I have heard as I try to gain a better understanding of the problems blind college students are facing in the state of Michigan
 
Thanks,
Elizabeth.

 
> From: aspooner at blindinc.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 08:41:46 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Means Testing for College Studentsþ
> 
> Hi Elizabeth,
> 
> Well, I would hope that this thread might be helpful to other students that
> may be faced with this situation sometime in the future, but if you would
> like to e-mail me directly, that would be just fine too. My e-mail address
> is: aspooner at blindinc.org
> 
> Without having all of the details of your situation, current living
> arrangements and more specifics regarding your current college status and
> situation, etc., I can only give you some general parameters.
> 
> The law is quite clear, as an adult receiving SSI you are not obligated to
> contribute financially, regardless of what the VR agency wants to call it. 
> 
> They cannot include your parent's income. They may argue that you are
> living with them (I do not know if you are or not), but if you are, they see
> this as you being supported by this family income. This is a little grey
> area, but ultimately if you can provide evidence to them that you are
> self-supporting, (using your SSI as your means of support) then this
> evidence is the proof that you are not receiving financial support from your
> family. 
> 
> If you are using only your SSI for support, and living in an apartment or
> dorm during college, the time that you spend in the summer with your parents
> should not be considered as financial support either. You can avoid this
> possibility even further by paying your parents a small amount for rent
> while you are there.
> 
> Al Spooner
> Assistant Director
> Outreach and Marketing
> Blindness Learning In New Dimensions, Incorporated (BLIND, Incorporated)
> 100 East 22nd Street
> Minneapolis, MN 55404
> Office: 612-872-0100 Ext. 226
> Toll Free: 800-597-9558
> Fax: 612-872-9358 
> Web Site: www.blindinc.org
> Office E-mail: aspooner at blindinc.org
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Elizabeth
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 8:16 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Means Testing for College Students
> 
> 
> Hi Al,
> 
> Thank you for your response. These regulations should come in handy when
> making the argument against a means test. But how exactly do you make this
> argument when the agency isn't exactly calling it a means test though? and
> I'm still not quite sure if this answers the question as to whether or not
> the income of the student's parents would count as a comperable benefit for
> services as the agency seems to be claiming. I don't know, perhaps I'm
> posting this on the wrong list, but I just thought I would give it a try I
> guess. 
> 
> 
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > From: aspooner at blindinc.org
> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:03:27 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Means Testing for College Studentsþ
> > 
> > Hi Elizabeth,
> > 
> > The Federal RSA regulations state that if you are a SSI recipient, that
> they cannot require you to contribute financially. Please see below, taken
> from the Rehabilitation Act Regulations:
> > 
> > Sec. 361.54 Participation of individuals in cost of services based on
> financial need.
> > 
> > . . . (3) The designated state unit may not apply a financial needs test,
> or require the financial participation of the individual . . .
> > . . . (ii) As a condition for furnishing any vocational rehabilitation
> service if the individual in need of the service has been determined
> eligible for Social Security benefits under Titles II or XVI of the Social
> Security Act.
> > 
> > [Note: Title II (2) is Social Security Disability Insurance, and Title XVI
> (16) is SSI.] 
> > 
> > Al Spooner
> > Assistant Director
> > Outreach and Marketing
> > Blindness Learning In New Dimensions, Incorporated (BLIND, Incorporated)
> > 100 East 22nd Street
> > Minneapolis, MN 55404
> > Office: 612-872-0100 Ext. 226
> > Toll Free: 800-597-9558
> > Fax: 612-872-9358 
> > Web Site: www.blindinc.org
> > Office E-mail: aspooner at blindinc.org
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Elizabeth
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 12:10 AM
> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [nabs-l] Means Testing for College Students?
> > 
> > 
> > Hello List,
> > 
> > The Michigan Commission for the Blind is currently reviewing the policy
> they use to provide services to college students. After reviewing the
> proposed changes, it appears as though the biggest change they want to make
> to the policy is implementing a means test as a provision of services. Since
> I live in Michigan, I am not familiar with the various policies that are
> carried out in different states. Does anyone know if there are any state
> vocational rehabilitation programs that use means testing for college
> students, and if so, how means testing impacts the quality of services
> college students receive from their vocational rehabilitation agency?
> Additionally, does anyone know where I might be able to find more
> information about the use of means testing as a provision of services? 
> > 
> > One of the main arguments the agency is using to justify a means test is
> the fact that in most cases the income of the student’s parents is used to
> determine federal financial aid. They seem to believe that if the parents
> income is used to determine federal financial aid then the parents income
> should also be used to determine how much money the student can contribute
> to his or her vocational rehabilitation program. However, this does not seem
> right to me, as I believe the main purpose of the vocational rehabilitation
> program is to serve the individual, in this case the college student, and
> not necessarily the family as a whole. 
> > 
> > I also understand that the vocational rehabilitation agency cannot require
> individuals to use Social Security benefits to pay for services. Does anyone
> know if this applies to providing services to college students as well? The
> Michigan Commission for the Blind claims that by implementing a means test
> for college students that they are not violating this policy because the
> student can choose to pay for their portion of services any way they see
> fit. However, if the only means of income available to the student is
> through their Social Security benefits, then how else is the student
> expected to pay for their portion of services? 
> > 
> > Their answer to this argument is that if a student chooses to use their
> Social Security benefits to pay for their portion of services, then that is
> the students choice. But what they do not seem to understand is that in most
> cases the student does not have a choice when that is their only source of
> income. They also seem to believe that this burden should fall on the
> parents if the student cannot pay their portion of services. But this
> statement only leads me to believe that they are out of touch with the real
> world where many people in Michigan are struggling to keep their job, put
> food on the table, and make the mortgage payments on time if at all.
> > 
> > Any information you might be able to provide on this subject would be
> greatly appreciated. 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Elizabeth
> > 
> > 
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From kerrik2006 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 05:28:19 2010
From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 01:28:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
Message-ID: <AANLkTilOPv1Tu1Hqf_48LFpSdVEflZw24ufx3ZZGgcRn@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All!!

I hope these questions are not off-topic for this list. I understand
there is  a blind cooks list, but since I am a 22-year-old college
student I wanted to get some answers from other students.

I know very little about cooking. My parents refuse to teach me how to
do anything with the stove (I'm talking about the stove, not oven) and
think I should make everything in either the microwave, or George
Foreman grill.

I live in an area where the closest NFB chapter is an hour away so I
don't really have any other blind people that can come over to help
me.

I can make a few things, mainly chicken (just put a boneless chicken
breast on the George Foreman grill), tacos (I cook the hamburger in
the Microwave, make the taco sauce in the microwave, and use hard taco
shells), sloppy joes (same thing, cook the hamburger in the microwave
and add the sloppy joe sauce), and steaks (George Foreman grill.)

I can also use the toaster for fixing waffles, and strudles.

I can fix hotdogs and pancakes in the microwave.

As you can see, this is very limiting and gets old after a while. I
would like to learn how to fix other things but don't know how without
a blind person teaching me.

Two things I'd like to do in particular are learning how to brown
hamburger properly on the stove, and fixing eggs but I am afraid to
just begin messing with the stove because without it being labeled
properly and not knowing what I'm doing I could easily start a fire.

For the oven, I use one of those small small toaster ovens. It has a
dial and I put dots beside the knob to tell the temperature but since
the dots are just dots I often can't tell which temperature I am
actually setting the oven to. I have my own apartment and it has one
of those huge ovens but my parents won't allow me to label it. It's
electric, not gas so there are no flames but I can't get them to see
it my way. They refuse to teach me how to fix even the simplest things
on the stove because they do not want to be responsible for me burning
my fingers or having grease splatter on me.

Do any of you have any suggestions?

What things can I buy that you can fix in the oven? I've been told
things like chicken nuggets, tator tots...

Where can I find good recipes to begin trying to cook other things?

Can many of you cook well or is this the level you are on?

Is there any way to learn to fix eggs or brown hamburger without
having another blind person teach me?

How do you have your ovens/stoves labeled?

How do you find out directions on packages? I've tried looking up the
directions for things like hamburger helper on the internet but I get
results such as "how to make home made hamburger helper," and all I
want is the oven time/temperature on the package.

Can I fix hamburger helper by cooking the hamburger meat in the
microwave, then fixing the noodles/sauce in the microwave and mixing
it all together?

When I go grocery shopping, is it appropriate to ask the shopping
assistant to read me the package directions (at least the cooking time
and oven temperature) and jot it down?

When grocery shopping, how do you make sure to get the best prices on
your items? Is it appropriate to ask the shopping assistant to look in
one of those sales papers to see any of the items on the list is on
sale? If so, are they usually willing to do these extra things?


I am going to training eventually, but in the mean time it frustrates
me not being able to fix hardly anything!

When I stay at my parents house (they live really really close so I
can come to their house often) they fix real dinners that taste so
good and it makes me not want to go back to my apartment because I
hate my cooking because I don't really fix things properly. My parents
are not that good at cooking themselves, but they fry their food and
it's cooked right so it tastes good whereas I'm trying to brown
hamburger in the microwave for example which isn't really how your
supposed to do it.

Thanks so much for any help!

Kerri


From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 07:16:46 2010
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 03:16:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilOPv1Tu1Hqf_48LFpSdVEflZw24ufx3ZZGgcRn@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilOPv1Tu1Hqf_48LFpSdVEflZw24ufx3ZZGgcRn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79058413-1286-4025-B906-21A804B53AD5@gmail.com>

There are actually many things that you can make in the oven. Actually pretty much anything can be made in the oven :) and I personally like it better than using the stove, just because it's not nearly as messy and it doesn't make the kitchen smell or anything... I have a few pans that I use for cooking in the oven. Some are bigger than others, and depending on what I'm making I just choose one of them. I bought one of those big oven gloves that basically cover your hand and part of your lower arm. It's rather hard to get burned with one of those lol... For most things, it's a matter of putting whatever you want to cook into the pan, sometimes a little bit of oil depending on what it is, salt and pepper...and then put the pan into the oven. You need to know how much time you need to cook whatever you're making and yes, finding someone to label your oven would be a good idea. But given that you're in college, finding a friend to do that for you shouldn't be too hard... With one of these gloves that I'm telling you about, removing the pan from the oven is really safe.
So basically, you might need a little bit of training to use the stove, but you should really be able to work with an oven...
On Jun 4, 2010, at 1:28 AM, Kerri Kosten wrote:

> Hi All!!
> 
> I hope these questions are not off-topic for this list. I understand
> there is  a blind cooks list, but since I am a 22-year-old college
> student I wanted to get some answers from other students.
> 
> I know very little about cooking. My parents refuse to teach me how to
> do anything with the stove (I'm talking about the stove, not oven) and
> think I should make everything in either the microwave, or George
> Foreman grill.
> 
> I live in an area where the closest NFB chapter is an hour away so I
> don't really have any other blind people that can come over to help
> me.
> 
> I can make a few things, mainly chicken (just put a boneless chicken
> breast on the George Foreman grill), tacos (I cook the hamburger in
> the Microwave, make the taco sauce in the microwave, and use hard taco
> shells), sloppy joes (same thing, cook the hamburger in the microwave
> and add the sloppy joe sauce), and steaks (George Foreman grill.)
> 
> I can also use the toaster for fixing waffles, and strudles.
> 
> I can fix hotdogs and pancakes in the microwave.
> 
> As you can see, this is very limiting and gets old after a while. I
> would like to learn how to fix other things but don't know how without
> a blind person teaching me.
> 
> Two things I'd like to do in particular are learning how to brown
> hamburger properly on the stove, and fixing eggs but I am afraid to
> just begin messing with the stove because without it being labeled
> properly and not knowing what I'm doing I could easily start a fire.
> 
> For the oven, I use one of those small small toaster ovens. It has a
> dial and I put dots beside the knob to tell the temperature but since
> the dots are just dots I often can't tell which temperature I am
> actually setting the oven to. I have my own apartment and it has one
> of those huge ovens but my parents won't allow me to label it. It's
> electric, not gas so there are no flames but I can't get them to see
> it my way. They refuse to teach me how to fix even the simplest things
> on the stove because they do not want to be responsible for me burning
> my fingers or having grease splatter on me.
> 
> Do any of you have any suggestions?
> 
> What things can I buy that you can fix in the oven? I've been told
> things like chicken nuggets, tator tots...
> 
> Where can I find good recipes to begin trying to cook other things?
> 
> Can many of you cook well or is this the level you are on?
> 
> Is there any way to learn to fix eggs or brown hamburger without
> having another blind person teach me?
> 
> How do you have your ovens/stoves labeled?
> 
> How do you find out directions on packages? I've tried looking up the
> directions for things like hamburger helper on the internet but I get
> results such as "how to make home made hamburger helper," and all I
> want is the oven time/temperature on the package.
> 
> Can I fix hamburger helper by cooking the hamburger meat in the
> microwave, then fixing the noodles/sauce in the microwave and mixing
> it all together?
> 
> When I go grocery shopping, is it appropriate to ask the shopping
> assistant to read me the package directions (at least the cooking time
> and oven temperature) and jot it down?
> 
> When grocery shopping, how do you make sure to get the best prices on
> your items? Is it appropriate to ask the shopping assistant to look in
> one of those sales papers to see any of the items on the list is on
> sale? If so, are they usually willing to do these extra things?
> 
> 
> I am going to training eventually, but in the mean time it frustrates
> me not being able to fix hardly anything!
> 
> When I stay at my parents house (they live really really close so I
> can come to their house often) they fix real dinners that taste so
> good and it makes me not want to go back to my apartment because I
> hate my cooking because I don't really fix things properly. My parents
> are not that good at cooking themselves, but they fry their food and
> it's cooked right so it tastes good whereas I'm trying to brown
> hamburger in the microwave for example which isn't really how your
> supposed to do it.
> 
> Thanks so much for any help!
> 
> Kerri
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com


From kramc11 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 11:54:34 2010
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 07:54:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
In-Reply-To: <79058413-1286-4025-B906-21A804B53AD5@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilOPv1Tu1Hqf_48LFpSdVEflZw24ufx3ZZGgcRn@mail.gmail.com>
	<79058413-1286-4025-B906-21A804B53AD5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55420B1E7D3C40AAB71D73020972659B@SonyPC>

I label my appliances with a combination of bump dots and stick on Braille 
labels. Once you determine a system that works for you the first part of 
your problem is solved. I am by no means a 5 star chef, but I can make 
various things on the stove, but as it was pointed out earlier the oven is a 
lot easier. Probably the easiest thing to cook on the stove is anything you 
just put in a pot and boiled, EG soups and hard boiled eggs. If you learn to 
use the oven, that will allow you to expand your options tremendously. I 
always have to ask someone to read the instructions, but if I will be making 
it again, I just write the instructions down in my recipes folder on my 
computer. Make certen you have a good pair of oven gloves, or even welder's 
gloves when you start cooking.

If there is a Trader Joe's around where you are, a lot of there meals just 
require being warmed up in the oven. That might be easiest for you at first.

Doing things such as browning hamburger just require a frying pan and a 
spatula. Once you know how to use the stove, it is just a simple matter of 
moving the hamburger around in the pan so that it doesn't stick, and get's 
cooked on all sides. Once you get that basic technique, cooking sausages, 
scrambled eggs, hotdogs, and home fries among other things is quite similar.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 3:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking questions


> There are actually many things that you can make in the oven. Actually 
> pretty much anything can be made in the oven :) and I personally like it 
> better than using the stove, just because it's not nearly as messy and it 
> doesn't make the kitchen smell or anything... I have a few pans that I use 
> for cooking in the oven. Some are bigger than others, and depending on 
> what I'm making I just choose one of them. I bought one of those big oven 
> gloves that basically cover your hand and part of your lower arm. It's 
> rather hard to get burned with one of those lol... For most things, it's a 
> matter of putting whatever you want to cook into the pan, sometimes a 
> little bit of oil depending on what it is, salt and pepper...and then put 
> the pan into the oven. You need to know how much time you need to cook 
> whatever you're making and yes, finding someone to label your oven would 
> be a good idea. But given that you're in college, finding a friend to do 
> that for you shouldn't be too hard... With one of these gloves that I'm 
> telling you about, removing the pan from the oven is really safe.
> So basically, you might need a little bit of training to use the stove, 
> but you should really be able to work with an oven...
> On Jun 4, 2010, at 1:28 AM, Kerri Kosten wrote:
>
>> Hi All!!
>>
>> I hope these questions are not off-topic for this list. I understand
>> there is  a blind cooks list, but since I am a 22-year-old college
>> student I wanted to get some answers from other students.
>>
>> I know very little about cooking. My parents refuse to teach me how to
>> do anything with the stove (I'm talking about the stove, not oven) and
>> think I should make everything in either the microwave, or George
>> Foreman grill.
>>
>> I live in an area where the closest NFB chapter is an hour away so I
>> don't really have any other blind people that can come over to help
>> me.
>>
>> I can make a few things, mainly chicken (just put a boneless chicken
>> breast on the George Foreman grill), tacos (I cook the hamburger in
>> the Microwave, make the taco sauce in the microwave, and use hard taco
>> shells), sloppy joes (same thing, cook the hamburger in the microwave
>> and add the sloppy joe sauce), and steaks (George Foreman grill.)
>>
>> I can also use the toaster for fixing waffles, and strudles.
>>
>> I can fix hotdogs and pancakes in the microwave.
>>
>> As you can see, this is very limiting and gets old after a while. I
>> would like to learn how to fix other things but don't know how without
>> a blind person teaching me.
>>
>> Two things I'd like to do in particular are learning how to brown
>> hamburger properly on the stove, and fixing eggs but I am afraid to
>> just begin messing with the stove because without it being labeled
>> properly and not knowing what I'm doing I could easily start a fire.
>>
>> For the oven, I use one of those small small toaster ovens. It has a
>> dial and I put dots beside the knob to tell the temperature but since
>> the dots are just dots I often can't tell which temperature I am
>> actually setting the oven to. I have my own apartment and it has one
>> of those huge ovens but my parents won't allow me to label it. It's
>> electric, not gas so there are no flames but I can't get them to see
>> it my way. They refuse to teach me how to fix even the simplest things
>> on the stove because they do not want to be responsible for me burning
>> my fingers or having grease splatter on me.
>>
>> Do any of you have any suggestions?
>>
>> What things can I buy that you can fix in the oven? I've been told
>> things like chicken nuggets, tator tots...
>>
>> Where can I find good recipes to begin trying to cook other things?
>>
>> Can many of you cook well or is this the level you are on?
>>
>> Is there any way to learn to fix eggs or brown hamburger without
>> having another blind person teach me?
>>
>> How do you have your ovens/stoves labeled?
>>
>> How do you find out directions on packages? I've tried looking up the
>> directions for things like hamburger helper on the internet but I get
>> results such as "how to make home made hamburger helper," and all I
>> want is the oven time/temperature on the package.
>>
>> Can I fix hamburger helper by cooking the hamburger meat in the
>> microwave, then fixing the noodles/sauce in the microwave and mixing
>> it all together?
>>
>> When I go grocery shopping, is it appropriate to ask the shopping
>> assistant to read me the package directions (at least the cooking time
>> and oven temperature) and jot it down?
>>
>> When grocery shopping, how do you make sure to get the best prices on
>> your items? Is it appropriate to ask the shopping assistant to look in
>> one of those sales papers to see any of the items on the list is on
>> sale? If so, are they usually willing to do these extra things?
>>
>>
>> I am going to training eventually, but in the mean time it frustrates
>> me not being able to fix hardly anything!
>>
>> When I stay at my parents house (they live really really close so I
>> can come to their house often) they fix real dinners that taste so
>> good and it makes me not want to go back to my apartment because I
>> hate my cooking because I don't really fix things properly. My parents
>> are not that good at cooking themselves, but they fry their food and
>> it's cooked right so it tastes good whereas I'm trying to brown
>> hamburger in the microwave for example which isn't really how your
>> supposed to do it.
>>
>> Thanks so much for any help!
>>
>> Kerri
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From haltaf at carrollu.edu  Fri Jun  4 12:17:20 2010
From: haltaf at carrollu.edu (Hina)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 07:17:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
References: <AANLkTilOPv1Tu1Hqf_48LFpSdVEflZw24ufx3ZZGgcRn@mail.gmail.com><79058413-1286-4025-B906-21A804B53AD5@gmail.com>
	<55420B1E7D3C40AAB71D73020972659B@SonyPC>
Message-ID: <0DF3E41C622F47DF9B612D51838B23A0@DB8D43F1>

hi kerrie and all,
i am in the same situation as kerrie and just moved to my apartment and 
don't know how to use stove specially gass stove. do you have any tips? i am 
very nervous because i am an international student and no one in my family 
let me use any stove or oven at all and now i am here and have no idea how 
to use oven and gass stove. i am international and might not have resources 
to attend the  training as well, so any help will be much appreciated. 
please send me some good recipies as well as i am starting from  scratch.
i can not have pork, beef and turkey but i would highly appreciate any help.
you can write me off list if you like at:
haltaf at carrollu.edu
hina.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking questions


I label my appliances with a combination of bump dots and stick on Braille
labels. Once you determine a system that works for you the first part of
your problem is solved. I am by no means a 5 star chef, but I can make
various things on the stove, but as it was pointed out earlier the oven is a
lot easier. Probably the easiest thing to cook on the stove is anything you
just put in a pot and boiled, EG soups and hard boiled eggs. If you learn to
use the oven, that will allow you to expand your options tremendously. I
always have to ask someone to read the instructions, but if I will be making
it again, I just write the instructions down in my recipes folder on my
computer. Make certen you have a good pair of oven gloves, or even welder's
gloves when you start cooking.

If there is a Trader Joe's around where you are, a lot of there meals just
require being warmed up in the oven. That might be easiest for you at first.

Doing things such as browning hamburger just require a frying pan and a
spatula. Once you know how to use the stove, it is just a simple matter of
moving the hamburger around in the pan so that it doesn't stick, and get's
cooked on all sides. Once you get that basic technique, cooking sausages,
scrambled eggs, hotdogs, and home fries among other things is quite similar.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 3:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking questions


> There are actually many things that you can make in the oven. Actually
> pretty much anything can be made in the oven :) and I personally like it
> better than using the stove, just because it's not nearly as messy and it
> doesn't make the kitchen smell or anything... I have a few pans that I use
> for cooking in the oven. Some are bigger than others, and depending on
> what I'm making I just choose one of them. I bought one of those big oven
> gloves that basically cover your hand and part of your lower arm. It's
> rather hard to get burned with one of those lol... For most things, it's a
> matter of putting whatever you want to cook into the pan, sometimes a
> little bit of oil depending on what it is, salt and pepper...and then put
> the pan into the oven. You need to know how much time you need to cook
> whatever you're making and yes, finding someone to label your oven would
> be a good idea. But given that you're in college, finding a friend to do
> that for you shouldn't be too hard... With one of these gloves that I'm
> telling you about, removing the pan from the oven is really safe.
> So basically, you might need a little bit of training to use the stove,
> but you should really be able to work with an oven...
> On Jun 4, 2010, at 1:28 AM, Kerri Kosten wrote:
>
>> Hi All!!
>>
>> I hope these questions are not off-topic for this list. I understand
>> there is  a blind cooks list, but since I am a 22-year-old college
>> student I wanted to get some answers from other students.
>>
>> I know very little about cooking. My parents refuse to teach me how to
>> do anything with the stove (I'm talking about the stove, not oven) and
>> think I should make everything in either the microwave, or George
>> Foreman grill.
>>
>> I live in an area where the closest NFB chapter is an hour away so I
>> don't really have any other blind people that can come over to help
>> me.
>>
>> I can make a few things, mainly chicken (just put a boneless chicken
>> breast on the George Foreman grill), tacos (I cook the hamburger in
>> the Microwave, make the taco sauce in the microwave, and use hard taco
>> shells), sloppy joes (same thing, cook the hamburger in the microwave
>> and add the sloppy joe sauce), and steaks (George Foreman grill.)
>>
>> I can also use the toaster for fixing waffles, and strudles.
>>
>> I can fix hotdogs and pancakes in the microwave.
>>
>> As you can see, this is very limiting and gets old after a while. I
>> would like to learn how to fix other things but don't know how without
>> a blind person teaching me.
>>
>> Two things I'd like to do in particular are learning how to brown
>> hamburger properly on the stove, and fixing eggs but I am afraid to
>> just begin messing with the stove because without it being labeled
>> properly and not knowing what I'm doing I could easily start a fire.
>>
>> For the oven, I use one of those small small toaster ovens. It has a
>> dial and I put dots beside the knob to tell the temperature but since
>> the dots are just dots I often can't tell which temperature I am
>> actually setting the oven to. I have my own apartment and it has one
>> of those huge ovens but my parents won't allow me to label it. It's
>> electric, not gas so there are no flames but I can't get them to see
>> it my way. They refuse to teach me how to fix even the simplest things
>> on the stove because they do not want to be responsible for me burning
>> my fingers or having grease splatter on me.
>>
>> Do any of you have any suggestions?
>>
>> What things can I buy that you can fix in the oven? I've been told
>> things like chicken nuggets, tator tots...
>>
>> Where can I find good recipes to begin trying to cook other things?
>>
>> Can many of you cook well or is this the level you are on?
>>
>> Is there any way to learn to fix eggs or brown hamburger without
>> having another blind person teach me?
>>
>> How do you have your ovens/stoves labeled?
>>
>> How do you find out directions on packages? I've tried looking up the
>> directions for things like hamburger helper on the internet but I get
>> results such as "how to make home made hamburger helper," and all I
>> want is the oven time/temperature on the package.
>>
>> Can I fix hamburger helper by cooking the hamburger meat in the
>> microwave, then fixing the noodles/sauce in the microwave and mixing
>> it all together?
>>
>> When I go grocery shopping, is it appropriate to ask the shopping
>> assistant to read me the package directions (at least the cooking time
>> and oven temperature) and jot it down?
>>
>> When grocery shopping, how do you make sure to get the best prices on
>> your items? Is it appropriate to ask the shopping assistant to look in
>> one of those sales papers to see any of the items on the list is on
>> sale? If so, are they usually willing to do these extra things?
>>
>>
>> I am going to training eventually, but in the mean time it frustrates
>> me not being able to fix hardly anything!
>>
>> When I stay at my parents house (they live really really close so I
>> can come to their house often) they fix real dinners that taste so
>> good and it makes me not want to go back to my apartment because I
>> hate my cooking because I don't really fix things properly. My parents
>> are not that good at cooking themselves, but they fry their food and
>> it's cooked right so it tastes good whereas I'm trying to brown
>> hamburger in the microwave for example which isn't really how your
>> supposed to do it.
>>
>> Thanks so much for any help!
>>
>> Kerri
>>
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From kea.anderson at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 13:26:39 2010
From: kea.anderson at gmail.com (Karen Anderson)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:26:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Cooking Questions
Message-ID: <AANLkTimftDBB2_FvwxzmM_sdy_gIJfOOdp9kUKq1hKuv@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

These are all good questions, and there isn't one thing that works for
everyone. I recently graduated from the Louisiana Center for the
Blind, and I think getting good training is one of the best things a
blind person can do. But I realize that it isn't always the right time
for training, so here are some of my suggestions in the mean time.

To start out, there are lots of meals that can be made in the
microwave. Frozen dinners only require that you take the plastic tray
out of the box, peel back the plastic a little way, and cook it until
all of the food is hot. There are also single serving packages of Mac
and cheese and hamburger helper, along with things like mini pizzas
and pizza roles, that can be cooked in the microwave. And let's not
forget our childhood friend spaghetios. These aren't particularly
amazing, but they work.

As someone who lives alone, I love my little toaster oven mostly
because i don't see the need to heat up a big oven when I'm just
cooking for myself. Anything that can be baked in a standard oven can,
in theory, be cooked in a toaster oven. I've even gone so far as to
buy buckets of frozen cookie dough and make cookies one or 2 at a time
so I can have fresh cookies whenever I want them. Frozen chicken
nuggets, French fries, tater tots and the like are also good in the
oven. It is fine to ask the person helping you shop to read the
directions on things, and with things like chicken nuggets if you
can't remember the directions you can cook them until you hear them
sizzling and they feel crispy to the touch. You can use a fork to
touch the item, and if the top of the chicken nugget feels rough and
crunchy under the fork it is usually done. You can also carefully
touch the food with the tip of your finger. If you take the food out,
bite into it, and decide it is still cold in the middle you can always
put it back in the oven for a few minutes.
If your oven is already marked, like I think you said yours is Kerri,
then you can ask a sighted friend or neighbor to come and tell you
which dot marks which temperature. Hopefully it is marked in a logical
way so that 1 dot is at 250 degrees, the next at 300, 350, and so
forth. The temperature gets higher the farther to the right you turn
the dial.

the stove may be a little more intimidating, but with practice you can
become comfortable with it, too.
To brown hamburger, place the defrosted meat into a frying pan. Turn
the stove onto medium heat, which means the dial is pointed at what
would be 5 or 6 o'clock. Hold the handle of the pan with one hand and
take a spatula in the other. Find the meat with the spatula, and use
it to chop the meat into little pieces by pressing down on the meat,
then finding the big chunk of meat again and repeating the process.
Once the meat has been chopped into pieces, use the spatula to
continue stirring. While the meat is cooking it will be sizzling, and
it will feel sort of wet and slippery under the spatula. When it is
done the sizzling will slow down and get much softer, and the meat
will feel coarse when you stir it with the spatula.

To scramble eggs, crack them into a bowl and add a little milk and
seasoning. Then beat them with a fork until they feel all liquidy,
rather than being able to feel the yolk in with the liquid. Then put a
frying pan on the stove and turn it to medium heat. Put just a little
butter in the bottom of the pan, and once it is melted pour the eggs
into the pan. Take a spatula and stir the eggs continuously until they
start to feel thicker and almost chunky. Then, take the pan off the
stove, put your eggs on a plate, and enjoy them.

Keep in mind that you are probably going to make mistakes while you
are learning, and not everything is going to come out perfectly the
first time. The best thing to do is to keep trying and learn from your
mistakes. If you burn the meat one time, the next time you cook it
take it off the heat a little sooner. And remember that sighted people
burn things, too, so it isn't just because you are blind. The hardest
part of all of this is getting up the nerve to try it for the first
time.

I hope this helps. If you have more questions, feel free to ask.

Karen


From rjaquiss at earthlink.net  Fri Jun  4 14:09:44 2010
From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (Robert Jaquiss)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:09:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
References: <AANLkTilOPv1Tu1Hqf_48LFpSdVEflZw24ufx3ZZGgcRn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0665BF4D74B42838B4FA958ED3618CA@D3DTZP41>

Hello Kerri:

     I just read Karen's comments about browning hamberger. Here is how I do 
it.
I have a stock pot that has a heavy bottom. This is very IMPORTANT! I put 
the raw hamburger in it and break it up. Then setting the stove on high, I 
stir with a metal spatula or metal spoon. I have some tools that have long 
handles and are intended for this purpose. I pay attention and when the 
spoon or spatula moves through the meat, it is done.

For taco filling, I add one cup of water and a package of Taco Bell 
seasoning. This is then mixed well with the heat turned down low. Stir 
occasionally and cook slowly for about 30 minutes. Be sure to work across 
all the pan or you may get some of the taco filling stuck and burned on. I 
like using my stock pot since it has high sides and there is less chance of 
slopping food on the stove.

Regards,

Robert

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerri Kosten" <kerrik2006 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 12:28 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions


> Hi All!!
>
> I hope these questions are not off-topic for this list. I understand
> there is  a blind cooks list, but since I am a 22-year-old college
> student I wanted to get some answers from other students.
>
> I know very little about cooking. My parents refuse to teach me how to
> do anything with the stove (I'm talking about the stove, not oven) and
> think I should make everything in either the microwave, or George
> Foreman grill.
>
> I live in an area where the closest NFB chapter is an hour away so I
> don't really have any other blind people that can come over to help
> me.
>
> I can make a few things, mainly chicken (just put a boneless chicken
> breast on the George Foreman grill), tacos (I cook the hamburger in
> the Microwave, make the taco sauce in the microwave, and use hard taco
> shells), sloppy joes (same thing, cook the hamburger in the microwave
> and add the sloppy joe sauce), and steaks (George Foreman grill.)
>
> I can also use the toaster for fixing waffles, and strudles.
>
> I can fix hotdogs and pancakes in the microwave.
>
> As you can see, this is very limiting and gets old after a while. I
> would like to learn how to fix other things but don't know how without
> a blind person teaching me.
>
> Two things I'd like to do in particular are learning how to brown
> hamburger properly on the stove, and fixing eggs but I am afraid to
> just begin messing with the stove because without it being labeled
> properly and not knowing what I'm doing I could easily start a fire.
>
> For the oven, I use one of those small small toaster ovens. It has a
> dial and I put dots beside the knob to tell the temperature but since
> the dots are just dots I often can't tell which temperature I am
> actually setting the oven to. I have my own apartment and it has one
> of those huge ovens but my parents won't allow me to label it. It's
> electric, not gas so there are no flames but I can't get them to see
> it my way. They refuse to teach me how to fix even the simplest things
> on the stove because they do not want to be responsible for me burning
> my fingers or having grease splatter on me.
>
> Do any of you have any suggestions?
>
> What things can I buy that you can fix in the oven? I've been told
> things like chicken nuggets, tator tots...
>
> Where can I find good recipes to begin trying to cook other things?
>
> Can many of you cook well or is this the level you are on?
>
> Is there any way to learn to fix eggs or brown hamburger without
> having another blind person teach me?
>
> How do you have your ovens/stoves labeled?
>
> How do you find out directions on packages? I've tried looking up the
> directions for things like hamburger helper on the internet but I get
> results such as "how to make home made hamburger helper," and all I
> want is the oven time/temperature on the package.
>
> Can I fix hamburger helper by cooking the hamburger meat in the
> microwave, then fixing the noodles/sauce in the microwave and mixing
> it all together?
>
> When I go grocery shopping, is it appropriate to ask the shopping
> assistant to read me the package directions (at least the cooking time
> and oven temperature) and jot it down?
>
> When grocery shopping, how do you make sure to get the best prices on
> your items? Is it appropriate to ask the shopping assistant to look in
> one of those sales papers to see any of the items on the list is on
> sale? If so, are they usually willing to do these extra things?
>
>
> I am going to training eventually, but in the mean time it frustrates
> me not being able to fix hardly anything!
>
> When I stay at my parents house (they live really really close so I
> can come to their house often) they fix real dinners that taste so
> good and it makes me not want to go back to my apartment because I
> hate my cooking because I don't really fix things properly. My parents
> are not that good at cooking themselves, but they fry their food and
> it's cooked right so it tastes good whereas I'm trying to brown
> hamburger in the microwave for example which isn't really how your
> supposed to do it.
>
> Thanks so much for any help!
>
> Kerri
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun  4 15:10:29 2010
From: william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com (William ODonnell)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 08:10:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilOPv1Tu1Hqf_48LFpSdVEflZw24ufx3ZZGgcRn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <422341.23587.qm@web30904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Please write me off list.  I would like to help you.  You are able to ask those in the store who are assisting you to give you an idea of what the labels say.  I am able to read the store circulars however, if I am in a situation where JFW or any speech program System access, voice over, or NVDA can not read them, I ask for generalizations IE specific meat products, produce, etc.  I only ask about those products I am interested in so the person does not feel like I am a burden on them.  As far as the cooking with the oven is concerned, the dials work in a clock-wise direction where the low temperatures begin with the first turn and gradually increase as the dials are turned in a clockwise motion.  The burners work in the opposite format.  The first turn to the write is in the high format and the temperature decreases as you turn the knob in a clockwise direction.  Finally, are there any resources for the blind in your area?  What is your zip code?  Why
 do your parents have so much control over you if you live on your own?
Thanks


--- On Fri, 6/4/10, Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 1:28 AM
> Hi All!!
> 
> I hope these questions are not off-topic for this list. I
> understand
> there is  a blind cooks list, but since I am a
> 22-year-old college
> student I wanted to get some answers from other students.
> 
> I know very little about cooking. My parents refuse to
> teach me how to
> do anything with the stove (I'm talking about the stove,
> not oven) and
> think I should make everything in either the microwave, or
> George
> Foreman grill.
> 
> I live in an area where the closest NFB chapter is an hour
> away so I
> don't really have any other blind people that can come over
> to help
> me.
> 
> I can make a few things, mainly chicken (just put a
> boneless chicken
> breast on the George Foreman grill), tacos (I cook the
> hamburger in
> the Microwave, make the taco sauce in the microwave, and
> use hard taco
> shells), sloppy joes (same thing, cook the hamburger in the
> microwave
> and add the sloppy joe sauce), and steaks (George Foreman
> grill.)
> 
> I can also use the toaster for fixing waffles, and
> strudles.
> 
> I can fix hotdogs and pancakes in the microwave.
> 
> As you can see, this is very limiting and gets old after a
> while. I
> would like to learn how to fix other things but don't know
> how without
> a blind person teaching me.
> 
> Two things I'd like to do in particular are learning how to
> brown
> hamburger properly on the stove, and fixing eggs but I am
> afraid to
> just begin messing with the stove because without it being
> labeled
> properly and not knowing what I'm doing I could easily
> start a fire.
> 
> For the oven, I use one of those small small toaster ovens.
> It has a
> dial and I put dots beside the knob to tell the temperature
> but since
> the dots are just dots I often can't tell which temperature
> I am
> actually setting the oven to. I have my own apartment and
> it has one
> of those huge ovens but my parents won't allow me to label
> it. It's
> electric, not gas so there are no flames but I can't get
> them to see
> it my way. They refuse to teach me how to fix even the
> simplest things
> on the stove because they do not want to be responsible for
> me burning
> my fingers or having grease splatter on me.
> 
> Do any of you have any suggestions?
> 
> What things can I buy that you can fix in the oven? I've
> been told
> things like chicken nuggets, tator tots...
> 
> Where can I find good recipes to begin trying to cook other
> things?
> 
> Can many of you cook well or is this the level you are on?
> 
> Is there any way to learn to fix eggs or brown hamburger
> without
> having another blind person teach me?
> 
> How do you have your ovens/stoves labeled?
> 
> How do you find out directions on packages? I've tried
> looking up the
> directions for things like hamburger helper on the internet
> but I get
> results such as "how to make home made hamburger helper,"
> and all I
> want is the oven time/temperature on the package.
> 
> Can I fix hamburger helper by cooking the hamburger meat in
> the
> microwave, then fixing the noodles/sauce in the microwave
> and mixing
> it all together?
> 
> When I go grocery shopping, is it appropriate to ask the
> shopping
> assistant to read me the package directions (at least the
> cooking time
> and oven temperature) and jot it down?
> 
> When grocery shopping, how do you make sure to get the best
> prices on
> your items? Is it appropriate to ask the shopping assistant
> to look in
> one of those sales papers to see any of the items on the
> list is on
> sale? If so, are they usually willing to do these extra
> things?
> 
> 
> I am going to training eventually, but in the mean time it
> frustrates
> me not being able to fix hardly anything!
> 
> When I stay at my parents house (they live really really
> close so I
> can come to their house often) they fix real dinners that
> taste so
> good and it makes me not want to go back to my apartment
> because I
> hate my cooking because I don't really fix things properly.
> My parents
> are not that good at cooking themselves, but they fry their
> food and
> it's cooked right so it tastes good whereas I'm trying to
> brown
> hamburger in the microwave for example which isn't really
> how your
> supposed to do it.
> 
> Thanks so much for any help!
> 
> Kerri
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
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From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 19:36:52 2010
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:36:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Cooking Questions
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimftDBB2_FvwxzmM_sdy_gIJfOOdp9kUKq1hKuv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimftDBB2_FvwxzmM_sdy_gIJfOOdp9kUKq1hKuv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiltYdSddekKsE0X2PjkYa4MdBhoWDEDLnVynaB9@mail.gmail.com>

What was this in reply to?

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Karen Anderson <kea.anderson at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> These are all good questions, and there isn't one thing that works for
> everyone. I recently graduated from the Louisiana Center for the
> Blind, and I think getting good training is one of the best things a
> blind person can do. But I realize that it isn't always the right time
> for training, so here are some of my suggestions in the mean time.
>
> To start out, there are lots of meals that can be made in the
> microwave. Frozen dinners only require that you take the plastic tray
> out of the box, peel back the plastic a little way, and cook it until
> all of the food is hot. There are also single serving packages of Mac
> and cheese and hamburger helper, along with things like mini pizzas
> and pizza roles, that can be cooked in the microwave. And let's not
> forget our childhood friend spaghetios. These aren't particularly
> amazing, but they work.
>
> As someone who lives alone, I love my little toaster oven mostly
> because i don't see the need to heat up a big oven when I'm just
> cooking for myself. Anything that can be baked in a standard oven can,
> in theory, be cooked in a toaster oven. I've even gone so far as to
> buy buckets of frozen cookie dough and make cookies one or 2 at a time
> so I can have fresh cookies whenever I want them. Frozen chicken
> nuggets, French fries, tater tots and the like are also good in the
> oven. It is fine to ask the person helping you shop to read the
> directions on things, and with things like chicken nuggets if you
> can't remember the directions you can cook them until you hear them
> sizzling and they feel crispy to the touch. You can use a fork to
> touch the item, and if the top of the chicken nugget feels rough and
> crunchy under the fork it is usually done. You can also carefully
> touch the food with the tip of your finger. If you take the food out,
> bite into it, and decide it is still cold in the middle you can always
> put it back in the oven for a few minutes.
> If your oven is already marked, like I think you said yours is Kerri,
> then you can ask a sighted friend or neighbor to come and tell you
> which dot marks which temperature. Hopefully it is marked in a logical
> way so that 1 dot is at 250 degrees, the next at 300, 350, and so
> forth. The temperature gets higher the farther to the right you turn
> the dial.
>
> the stove may be a little more intimidating, but with practice you can
> become comfortable with it, too.
> To brown hamburger, place the defrosted meat into a frying pan. Turn
> the stove onto medium heat, which means the dial is pointed at what
> would be 5 or 6 o'clock. Hold the handle of the pan with one hand and
> take a spatula in the other. Find the meat with the spatula, and use
> it to chop the meat into little pieces by pressing down on the meat,
> then finding the big chunk of meat again and repeating the process.
> Once the meat has been chopped into pieces, use the spatula to
> continue stirring. While the meat is cooking it will be sizzling, and
> it will feel sort of wet and slippery under the spatula. When it is
> done the sizzling will slow down and get much softer, and the meat
> will feel coarse when you stir it with the spatula.
>
> To scramble eggs, crack them into a bowl and add a little milk and
> seasoning. Then beat them with a fork until they feel all liquidy,
> rather than being able to feel the yolk in with the liquid. Then put a
> frying pan on the stove and turn it to medium heat. Put just a little
> butter in the bottom of the pan, and once it is melted pour the eggs
> into the pan. Take a spatula and stir the eggs continuously until they
> start to feel thicker and almost chunky. Then, take the pan off the
> stove, put your eggs on a plate, and enjoy them.
>
> Keep in mind that you are probably going to make mistakes while you
> are learning, and not everything is going to come out perfectly the
> first time. The best thing to do is to keep trying and learn from your
> mistakes. If you burn the meat one time, the next time you cook it
> take it off the heat a little sooner. And remember that sighted people
> burn things, too, so it isn't just because you are blind. The hardest
> part of all of this is getting up the nerve to try it for the first
> time.
>
> I hope this helps. If you have more questions, feel free to ask.
>
> Karen
>
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From jess28 at samobile.net  Fri Jun  4 20:35:42 2010
From: jess28 at samobile.net (Jessica)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:35:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] =?utf-8?q?Means_Testing_for_College_Students=C3=BE?=
Message-ID: <20100604203542.12720.62574@web3>

Al and all,
Social Security Adminstration the people whom pay out the SSI Do say by 
law that your parents are allowed to ask you to pay rent. I do believe 
the whole time I was on SSI while I was living with my mom she charged 
me rent. They do have a rule I believe where your parents can't charge 
you the entire amount of your SSI I believe it's only a half or a third 
of the amount. Also, keep in mind to it also depends on how much you 
recieve in SSI.
Jessica

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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 21:06:17 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 17:06:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Cooking Questions
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiltYdSddekKsE0X2PjkYa4MdBhoWDEDLnVynaB9@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTiltYdSddekKsE0X2PjkYa4MdBhoWDEDLnVynaB9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8CD8CF244CA476CB8AD3B3F422F53EF@Rufus>

I'd be interested to know how people negotiate the grill.  Specifically,
what techniques do you use to tell between well done and medium well, medium
rare and such.  I'm not afraid of the grill itself, but I've always been
hesitant to serve guests meat that is not cooked to the condition they
requested.  Jim Gashel once taught me a timed system, but this was in 2003.
I've since forgotten the increments.  Anyway, excellent thread.  Maybe this
could be one of those How To Files?

Joe

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some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie Principato
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 3:37 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cooking Questions

What was this in reply to?

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Karen Anderson 
<kea.anderson at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> These are all good questions, and there isn't one thing that works for
> everyone. I recently graduated from the Louisiana Center for the
> Blind, and I think getting good training is one of the best things a
> blind person can do. But I realize that it isn't always the right time
> for training, so here are some of my suggestions in the mean time.
>
> To start out, there are lots of meals that can be made in the
> microwave. Frozen dinners only require that you take the plastic tray
> out of the box, peel back the plastic a little way, and cook it until
> all of the food is hot. There are also single serving packages of Mac
> and cheese and hamburger helper, along with things like mini pizzas
> and pizza roles, that can be cooked in the microwave. And let's not
> forget our childhood friend spaghetios. These aren't particularly
> amazing, but they work.
>
> As someone who lives alone, I love my little toaster oven mostly
> because i don't see the need to heat up a big oven when I'm just
> cooking for myself. Anything that can be baked in a standard oven can,
> in theory, be cooked in a toaster oven. I've even gone so far as to
> buy buckets of frozen cookie dough and make cookies one or 2 at a time
> so I can have fresh cookies whenever I want them. Frozen chicken
> nuggets, French fries, tater tots and the like are also good in the
> oven. It is fine to ask the person helping you shop to read the
> directions on things, and with things like chicken nuggets if you
> can't remember the directions you can cook them until you hear them
> sizzling and they feel crispy to the touch. You can use a fork to
> touch the item, and if the top of the chicken nugget feels rough and
> crunchy under the fork it is usually done. You can also carefully
> touch the food with the tip of your finger. If you take the food out,
> bite into it, and decide it is still cold in the middle you can always
> put it back in the oven for a few minutes.
> If your oven is already marked, like I think you said yours is Kerri,
> then you can ask a sighted friend or neighbor to come and tell you
> which dot marks which temperature. Hopefully it is marked in a logical
> way so that 1 dot is at 250 degrees, the next at 300, 350, and so
> forth. The temperature gets higher the farther to the right you turn
> the dial.
>
> the stove may be a little more intimidating, but with practice you can
> become comfortable with it, too.
> To brown hamburger, place the defrosted meat into a frying pan. Turn
> the stove onto medium heat, which means the dial is pointed at what
> would be 5 or 6 o'clock. Hold the handle of the pan with one hand and
> take a spatula in the other. Find the meat with the spatula, and use
> it to chop the meat into little pieces by pressing down on the meat,
> then finding the big chunk of meat again and repeating the process.
> Once the meat has been chopped into pieces, use the spatula to
> continue stirring. While the meat is cooking it will be sizzling, and
> it will feel sort of wet and slippery under the spatula. When it is
> done the sizzling will slow down and get much softer, and the meat
> will feel coarse when you stir it with the spatula.
>
> To scramble eggs, crack them into a bowl and add a little milk and
> seasoning. Then beat them with a fork until they feel all liquidy,
> rather than being able to feel the yolk in with the liquid. Then put a
> frying pan on the stove and turn it to medium heat. Put just a little
> butter in the bottom of the pan, and once it is melted pour the eggs
> into the pan. Take a spatula and stir the eggs continuously until they
> start to feel thicker and almost chunky. Then, take the pan off the
> stove, put your eggs on a plate, and enjoy them.
>
> Keep in mind that you are probably going to make mistakes while you
> are learning, and not everything is going to come out perfectly the
> first time. The best thing to do is to keep trying and learn from your
> mistakes. If you burn the meat one time, the next time you cook it
> take it off the heat a little sooner. And remember that sighted people
> burn things, too, so it isn't just because you are blind. The hardest
> part of all of this is getting up the nerve to try it for the first
> time.
>
> I hope this helps. If you have more questions, feel free to ask.
>
> Karen
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jun  4 21:10:14 2010
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 17:10:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
References: <AANLkTilOPv1Tu1Hqf_48LFpSdVEflZw24ufx3ZZGgcRn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72FC8399055D41B5BB52C9366C5FCA82@Ashley>

Hi Kerri,
I think your parents need to speak to competent blind cooks or do some 
research on blind cooking techniques.
If you are in an apartment on your own I don't understand why its your 
parent's decission whether or not you choose to label and use your real 
oven.  Using a toaster oven is limiting!  I did not grow up having one. 
Just use a real oven; everything you do in a toaster oven can be done in a 
real oven.

Get a friend or reader to assist you in labeling your oven and stove.
If your oven is electric there are no flames so its safer.
Its sad to hear of parents acting like this.  What do they expect you to do? 
They won't be around forever and you can't live off microwaved food all the 
time.

To label use dots or some sort of glue and let it dry for a day.  If you 
have an electric oven with numbers use dimo tape to braille label it.
Independent living Aids sells labeling tools.  Also label in a systematic 
way such as a dot at 300 and then 350 degrees.  You say you don't recall 
what the dots mean on your toaster oven.  That is real important!  Get 
someone to tell you where its labeled.

I was in a similar situation growing up and just started learning to cook 
with rehab teachers and training at our local center and other blind cooks.
My parents did not teach me how to cook either particularly with the stove. 
They encouraged me to use the microwave.  My dad showed me how to use our 
toaster.  With it I made frozen waffles as you did and toast.
So I know where you're coming from.


In my opinion the oven is easier to use.  But with practice you will get the 
stove too.

I think you should have an more experienced cook, blind or sighted, show you 
some cooking techniques and safety measures.  Use oven mits or gloves for 
the oven; there are even some that cover most of your arm.  Another safety 
tip is to hold the handle of a pan or pot on the stove.  This usually does 
not get hot and that way your pot or pan won't slide.

To start you could cook frozen dinners in the microwave or oven.  Cooking 
from scratch is more healthy though.  Many products just require you to cook 
until boiling on the stove.  For instance canned vegetables you just warm up 
till hot.  Canned soups you cook till boiling.
Those canned products are simple to start out with.  You could also buy 
Kraft Mac and cheese.  Its a great side dish; have it with baked chicken or 
frozen dinner and you have a meal with carbs and protein.
Even easier is Easy Mac wich can be cooked in the microwave.
You can learn to brown beef or scramble eggs but I think it may help to have 
someone show you so you ensure its done cooking.
You can also make healthy food that you don't even have to cook.  For 
instance different types of salad and fruit salad are good options.

I'll describe how to
brown beef although I'll admit I'm not confident in that either because I 
can't see if the meat is cooked and done all the way.  To brown beef you 
need a frying pan and spatula.  Place the beef in the pan.  Turn on medium 
heat.
Then break the meat up into small pieces with a spatula.  Stir the beef 
around.  It will sizzle.  When its done drain the grease off it unless you 
buy very lean meat.  I recommend that.

For scrambled eggs, that is easier.  Beat the eggs in a bowl with a fork. 
In a frying pan spray cooking spray or melt butter.  Add milk to the eggs. 
Then pour the liquid eggs into the frying pan.
Stir the eggs in the pan.  When they are lumpy they are done.

Your other questions
I'll insert them with my answers.

What things can I buy that you can fix in the oven? I've been told
things like chicken nuggets, tator tots...

Yes that's true.  Don't just use frozen items.  I'd say chicken is a healthy 
thing to cook and its not a processed food.  I have trouble turning the 
chicken over though.  Chicken tenderloins cook all the way through; you 
don't have to flip them.  Healthy Choice and Lean Cuisine frozen foods are 
good and have less salt; all are doable in the oven.

  Caseroles, meatloaf, and baked goods can be cooked in the oven.  Many 
things work.

Where can I find good recipes to begin trying to cook other things?
I believe NLS has cookbooks.  You can also search for recipies online. The 
site www.cooks.com has many choices.

How do you have your ovens/stoves labeled?
Kerri, everyone is different here.  I memorized the stove positions.  The 
electric oven is labeled with braille labels.  I have the main buttons 
labeled such as the numbers, bake, and clear.


How do you find out directions on packages?
I wonder that too.  I guess have someone read them.  Maybe record or braille 
them once they are read so you know for next time.


When I go grocery shopping, is it appropriate to ask the shopping
assistant to read me the package directions (at least the cooking time
and oven temperature) and jot it down?

Yes, sometimes.  If its a few items I'd say yes.  But if its a bunch of 
things I'd say no since that gets time consuming.  I had store assistants 
read me the ingredients needed on a box to ensure I was buying all 
ingredients.  They may have read cooking instructions too.  They did not 
seem to mind.

When grocery shopping, how do you make sure to get the best prices on your 
items? Is it appropriate to ask the shopping assistant to look in
one of those sales papers to see any of the items on the list is on
sale? If so, are they usually willing to do these extra things?

I don't think they have time to search through sales papers for you.  I 
think that's partly your job to be ready with coupons or know what's on 
sale.  Coupons are in the papers, usually the Sunday paper.  You can ask a 
reader or friend for help.  Many store chains have their sale items online. 
Check their website for sale items.

To get the best prices, I also ask what is on sale sometimes at the store. 
I ask them to read prices of different brands.  Typically the store brand is 
cheaper than the national brand.  Off season produce will be more expensive 
than in-season produce.  Sugary cereal such as Captin crunch is more 
expensive than a grainy cereal like cheerios.

I don't think you neccessarily need a blind person to show you.  A patient 
sighted person hands on
can teach you some cooking techniques.  The safety precautions, food storage 
tips and cleanlyness of the kitchen are not
blindness specific things.  So ask around and learn.  Then tell your parents 
what you learned and maybe they'll feel you're safer in the kitchen.

Ashley
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kerri Kosten" <kerrik2006 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 1:28 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions


> Hi All!!
>
> I hope these questions are not off-topic for this list. I understand
> there is  a blind cooks list, but since I am a 22-year-old college
> student I wanted to get some answers from other students.
>
> I know very little about cooking. My parents refuse to teach me how to
> do anything with the stove (I'm talking about the stove, not oven) and
> think I should make everything in either the microwave, or George
> Foreman grill.
>
> I live in an area where the closest NFB chapter is an hour away so I
    > don't really have any other blind people that can come over to help
> me.
>
> I can make a few things, mainly chicken (just put a boneless chicken
> breast on the George Foreman grill), tacos (I cook the hamburger in
> the Microwave, make the taco sauce in the microwave, and use hard taco
> shells), sloppy joes (same thing, cook the hamburger in the microwave
> and add the sloppy joe sauce), and steaks (George Foreman grill.)
>
> I can also use the toaster for fixing waffles, and strudles.
>
> I can fix hotdogs and pancakes in the microwave.
>
> As you can see, this is very limiting and gets old after a while. I
> would like to learn how to fix other things but don't know how without
> a blind person teaching me.
>
> Two things I'd like to do in particular are learning how to brown
> hamburger properly on the stove, and fixing eggs but I am afraid to
> just begin messing with the stove because without it being labeled
> properly and not knowing what I'm doing I could easily start a fire.
>
> For the oven, I use one of those small small toaster ovens. It has a
> dial and I put dots beside the knob to tell the temperature but since
> the dots are just dots I often can't tell which temperature I am
> actually setting the oven to. I have my own apartment and it has one
> of those huge ovens but my parents won't allow me to label it. It's
> electric, not gas so there are no flames but I can't get them to see
> it my way. They refuse to teach me how to fix even the simplest things
> on the stove because they do not want to be responsible for me burning
> my fingers or having grease splatter on me.
>
> Do any of you have any suggestions?
>
> What things can I buy that you can fix in the oven? I've been told
> things like chicken nuggets, tator tots...
>
> Where can I find good recipes to begin trying to cook other things?
>
> Can many of you cook well or is this the level you are on?
>
> Is there any way to learn to fix eggs or brown hamburger without
> having another blind person teach me?
>
> How do you have your ovens/stoves labeled?
>
> How do you find out directions on packages? I've tried looking up the
> directions for things like hamburger helper on the internet but I get
> results such as "how to make home made hamburger helper," and all I
> want is the oven time/temperature on the package.
>
> Can I fix hamburger helper by cooking the hamburger meat in the
> microwave, then fixing the noodles/sauce in the microwave and mixing
> it all together?
>
> When I go grocery shopping, is it appropriate to ask the shopping
> assistant to read me the package directions (at least the cooking time
> and oven temperature) and jot it down?
>
> When grocery shopping, how do you make sure to get the best prices on
> your items? Is it appropriate to ask the shopping assistant to look in
> one of those sales papers to see any of the items on the list is on
> sale? If so, are they usually willing to do these extra things?
>
>
> I am going to training eventually, but in the mean time it frustrates
> me not being able to fix hardly anything!
>
> When I stay at my parents house (they live really really close so I
> can come to their house often) they fix real dinners that taste so
> good and it makes me not want to go back to my apartment because I
> hate my cooking because I don't really fix things properly. My parents
> are not that good at cooking themselves, but they fry their food and
> it's cooked right so it tastes good whereas I'm trying to brown
> hamburger in the microwave for example which isn't really how your
> supposed to do it.
>
> Thanks so much for any help!
>
> Kerri
>
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From ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 21:13:50 2010
From: ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com (Ben J. Bloomgren)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 14:13:50 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Cooking Questions
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiltYdSddekKsE0X2PjkYa4MdBhoWDEDLnVynaB9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4c096c9d.22f78e0a.12f4.5e03@mx.google.com>

The thing is, you must practice. I'm a lazy bumb, so cooking is not exactly
my thing... However, the knowledge that training brings is not as easy to
lose as one would think.

Ben 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Jamie Principato
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 12:37
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cooking Questions

What was this in reply to?

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Karen Anderson
<kea.anderson at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> These are all good questions, and there isn't one thing that works for
> everyone. I recently graduated from the Louisiana Center for the
> Blind, and I think getting good training is one of the best things a
> blind person can do. But I realize that it isn't always the right time
> for training, so here are some of my suggestions in the mean time.
>
> To start out, there are lots of meals that can be made in the
> microwave. Frozen dinners only require that you take the plastic tray
> out of the box, peel back the plastic a little way, and cook it until
> all of the food is hot. There are also single serving packages of Mac
> and cheese and hamburger helper, along with things like mini pizzas
> and pizza roles, that can be cooked in the microwave. And let's not
> forget our childhood friend spaghetios. These aren't particularly
> amazing, but they work.
>
> As someone who lives alone, I love my little toaster oven mostly
> because i don't see the need to heat up a big oven when I'm just
> cooking for myself. Anything that can be baked in a standard oven can,
> in theory, be cooked in a toaster oven. I've even gone so far as to
> buy buckets of frozen cookie dough and make cookies one or 2 at a time
> so I can have fresh cookies whenever I want them. Frozen chicken
> nuggets, French fries, tater tots and the like are also good in the
> oven. It is fine to ask the person helping you shop to read the
> directions on things, and with things like chicken nuggets if you
> can't remember the directions you can cook them until you hear them
> sizzling and they feel crispy to the touch. You can use a fork to
> touch the item, and if the top of the chicken nugget feels rough and
> crunchy under the fork it is usually done. You can also carefully
> touch the food with the tip of your finger. If you take the food out,
> bite into it, and decide it is still cold in the middle you can always
> put it back in the oven for a few minutes.
> If your oven is already marked, like I think you said yours is Kerri,
> then you can ask a sighted friend or neighbor to come and tell you
> which dot marks which temperature. Hopefully it is marked in a logical
> way so that 1 dot is at 250 degrees, the next at 300, 350, and so
> forth. The temperature gets higher the farther to the right you turn
> the dial.
>
> the stove may be a little more intimidating, but with practice you can
> become comfortable with it, too.
> To brown hamburger, place the defrosted meat into a frying pan. Turn
> the stove onto medium heat, which means the dial is pointed at what
> would be 5 or 6 o'clock. Hold the handle of the pan with one hand and
> take a spatula in the other. Find the meat with the spatula, and use
> it to chop the meat into little pieces by pressing down on the meat,
> then finding the big chunk of meat again and repeating the process.
> Once the meat has been chopped into pieces, use the spatula to
> continue stirring. While the meat is cooking it will be sizzling, and
> it will feel sort of wet and slippery under the spatula. When it is
> done the sizzling will slow down and get much softer, and the meat
> will feel coarse when you stir it with the spatula.
>
> To scramble eggs, crack them into a bowl and add a little milk and
> seasoning. Then beat them with a fork until they feel all liquidy,
> rather than being able to feel the yolk in with the liquid. Then put a
> frying pan on the stove and turn it to medium heat. Put just a little
> butter in the bottom of the pan, and once it is melted pour the eggs
> into the pan. Take a spatula and stir the eggs continuously until they
> start to feel thicker and almost chunky. Then, take the pan off the
> stove, put your eggs on a plate, and enjoy them.
>
> Keep in mind that you are probably going to make mistakes while you
> are learning, and not everything is going to come out perfectly the
> first time. The best thing to do is to keep trying and learn from your
> mistakes. If you burn the meat one time, the next time you cook it
> take it off the heat a little sooner. And remember that sighted people
> burn things, too, so it isn't just because you are blind. The hardest
> part of all of this is getting up the nerve to try it for the first
> time.
>
> I hope this helps. If you have more questions, feel free to ask.
>
> Karen
>
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From ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 21:26:47 2010
From: ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com (Ben J. Bloomgren)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 14:26:47 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Cooking Questions
In-Reply-To: <C8CD8CF244CA476CB8AD3B3F422F53EF@Rufus>
Message-ID: <4c096fa6.29f88e0a.118c.67d3@mx.google.com>

We never went over that up at CCB... I'd never thought of that!

Ben 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 14:06
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cooking Questions

I'd be interested to know how people negotiate the grill.  Specifically,
what techniques do you use to tell between well done and medium well, medium
rare and such.  I'm not afraid of the grill itself, but I've always been
hesitant to serve guests meat that is not cooked to the condition they
requested.  Jim Gashel once taught me a timed system, but this was in 2003.
I've since forgotten the increments.  Anyway, excellent thread.  Maybe this
could be one of those How To Files?

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie Principato
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 3:37 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cooking Questions

What was this in reply to?

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Karen Anderson 
<kea.anderson at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> These are all good questions, and there isn't one thing that works for
> everyone. I recently graduated from the Louisiana Center for the
> Blind, and I think getting good training is one of the best things a
> blind person can do. But I realize that it isn't always the right time
> for training, so here are some of my suggestions in the mean time.
>
> To start out, there are lots of meals that can be made in the
> microwave. Frozen dinners only require that you take the plastic tray
> out of the box, peel back the plastic a little way, and cook it until
> all of the food is hot. There are also single serving packages of Mac
> and cheese and hamburger helper, along with things like mini pizzas
> and pizza roles, that can be cooked in the microwave. And let's not
> forget our childhood friend spaghetios. These aren't particularly
> amazing, but they work.
>
> As someone who lives alone, I love my little toaster oven mostly
> because i don't see the need to heat up a big oven when I'm just
> cooking for myself. Anything that can be baked in a standard oven can,
> in theory, be cooked in a toaster oven. I've even gone so far as to
> buy buckets of frozen cookie dough and make cookies one or 2 at a time
> so I can have fresh cookies whenever I want them. Frozen chicken
> nuggets, French fries, tater tots and the like are also good in the
> oven. It is fine to ask the person helping you shop to read the
> directions on things, and with things like chicken nuggets if you
> can't remember the directions you can cook them until you hear them
> sizzling and they feel crispy to the touch. You can use a fork to
> touch the item, and if the top of the chicken nugget feels rough and
> crunchy under the fork it is usually done. You can also carefully
> touch the food with the tip of your finger. If you take the food out,
> bite into it, and decide it is still cold in the middle you can always
> put it back in the oven for a few minutes.
> If your oven is already marked, like I think you said yours is Kerri,
> then you can ask a sighted friend or neighbor to come and tell you
> which dot marks which temperature. Hopefully it is marked in a logical
> way so that 1 dot is at 250 degrees, the next at 300, 350, and so
> forth. The temperature gets higher the farther to the right you turn
> the dial.
>
> the stove may be a little more intimidating, but with practice you can
> become comfortable with it, too.
> To brown hamburger, place the defrosted meat into a frying pan. Turn
> the stove onto medium heat, which means the dial is pointed at what
> would be 5 or 6 o'clock. Hold the handle of the pan with one hand and
> take a spatula in the other. Find the meat with the spatula, and use
> it to chop the meat into little pieces by pressing down on the meat,
> then finding the big chunk of meat again and repeating the process.
> Once the meat has been chopped into pieces, use the spatula to
> continue stirring. While the meat is cooking it will be sizzling, and
> it will feel sort of wet and slippery under the spatula. When it is
> done the sizzling will slow down and get much softer, and the meat
> will feel coarse when you stir it with the spatula.
>
> To scramble eggs, crack them into a bowl and add a little milk and
> seasoning. Then beat them with a fork until they feel all liquidy,
> rather than being able to feel the yolk in with the liquid. Then put a
> frying pan on the stove and turn it to medium heat. Put just a little
> butter in the bottom of the pan, and once it is melted pour the eggs
> into the pan. Take a spatula and stir the eggs continuously until they
> start to feel thicker and almost chunky. Then, take the pan off the
> stove, put your eggs on a plate, and enjoy them.
>
> Keep in mind that you are probably going to make mistakes while you
> are learning, and not everything is going to come out perfectly the
> first time. The best thing to do is to keep trying and learn from your
> mistakes. If you burn the meat one time, the next time you cook it
> take it off the heat a little sooner. And remember that sighted people
> burn things, too, so it isn't just because you are blind. The hardest
> part of all of this is getting up the nerve to try it for the first
> time.
>
> I hope this helps. If you have more questions, feel free to ask.
>
> Karen
>
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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Fri Jun  4 22:33:09 2010
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 22:33:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
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hello carrie and all,

wow! what a huge thread this to have on this list for this topic. to answer one of your questions i learned how to cook by my mom and also before i lost a lot of my vision i was in culinary arts for a living which was a long time ago. in not letting you cook in your own place isn't being independent imo! what i have done is label my toasteroven with puffy paint and my oven and stove are labeled with bump dots and my microwave is in braille with braille labels on it.

you have a right to label them since they are your appliances in your own aopartment so you can live independtally. as to asking the shopper helper what's on the package i do this so, i know what's in them and also what's on sale. most shopper helpers don't mind it but, some do.

i don't have the shopper helper read me the sales ads because this takes up too much time... as for reading the pacckage driections at home i use a reader for it or i use my cctv to read them.

i hope these ideas and suggestions will helpp you out. take care and, i will talk to you soon.


hugs,
from amy

----- Original Message -----
From: Kerri Kosten 
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
Sent: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 05:28:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions

Hi All!!

I hope these questions are not off-topic for this list. I understand
there is  a blind cooks list, but since I am a 22-year-old college
student I wanted to get some answers from other students.

I know very little about cooking. My parents refuse to teach me how to
do anything with the stove (I'm talking about the stove, not oven) and
think I should make everything in either the microwave, or George
Foreman grill.

I live in an area where the closest NFB chapter is an hour away so I
don't really have any other blind people that can come over to help
me.

I can make a few things, mainly chicken (just put a boneless chicken
breast on the George Foreman grill), tacos (I cook the hamburger in
the Microwave, make the taco sauce in the microwave, and use hard taco
shells), sloppy joes (same thing, cook the hamburger in the microwave
and add the sloppy joe sauce), and steaks (George Foreman grill.)

I can also use the toaster for fixing waffles, and strudles.

I can fix hotdogs and pancakes in the microwave.

As you can see, this is very limiting and gets old after a while. I
would like to learn how to fix other things but don't know how without
a blind person teaching me.

Two things I'd like to do in particular are learning how to brown
hamburger properly on the stove, and fixing eggs but I am afraid to
just begin messing with the stove because without it being labeled
properly and not knowing what I'm doing I could easily start a fire.

For the oven, I use one of those small small toaster ovens. It has a
dial and I put dots beside the knob to tell the temperature but since
the dots are just dots I often can't tell which temperature I am
actually setting the oven to. I have my own apartment and it has one
of those huge ovens but my parents won't allow me to label it. It's
electric, not gas so there are no flames but I can't get them to see
it my way. They refuse to teach me how to fix even the simplest things
on the stove because they do not want to be responsible for me burning
my fingers or having grease splatter on me.

Do any of you have any suggestions?

What things can I buy that you can fix in the oven? I've been told
things like chicken nuggets, tator tots...

Where can I find good recipes to begin trying to cook other things?

Can many of you cook well or is this the level you are on?

Is there any way to learn to fix eggs or brown hamburger without
having another blind person teach me?

How do you have your ovens/stoves labeled?

How do you find out directions on packages? I've tried looking up the
directions for things like hamburger helper on the internet but I get
results such as "how to make home made hamburger helper," and all I
want is the oven time/temperature on the package.

Can I fix hamburger helper by cooking the hamburger meat in the
microwave, then fixing the noodles/sauce in the microwave and mixing
it all together?

When I go grocery shopping, is it appropriate to ask the shopping
assistant to read me the package directions (at least the cooking time
and oven temperature) and jot it down?

When grocery shopping, how do you make sure to get the best prices on
your items? Is it appropriate to ask the shopping assistant to look in
one of those sales papers to see any of the items on the list is on
sale? If so, are they usually willing to do these extra things?


I am going to training eventually, but in the mean time it frustrates
me not being able to fix hardly anything!

When I stay at my parents house (they live really really close so I
can come to their house often) they fix real dinners that taste so
good and it makes me not want to go back to my apartment because I
hate my cooking because I don't really fix things properly. My parents
are not that good at cooking themselves, but they fry their food and
it's cooked right so it tastes good whereas I'm trying to brown
hamburger in the microwave for example which isn't really how your
supposed to do it.

Thanks so much for any help!

Kerri

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From mewhalen at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 23:01:03 2010
From: mewhalen at gmail.com (Meghan Whalen)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 18:01:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Win a WII and Support Guide Dog Access
Message-ID: <FBFCC11095354C86A7BCF73B8BF90F87@ALVIN>

Please distribute as widely as possible.

The Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users is raffling off a Nintendo WII.  Winners will also have the option of taking home the cash equivalent instead.  Second place is $100 and third place is $50.  The drawing will be held on September 12, 2010 in Milwaukee at the Double Tree Hotel.

Tickets are $2 for 1 or $5 for 3.

Funds from this raffle will go to support our guide dog symposium coming up in September in which we will be educating service dog users throughout the state and nation on their rights with their dogs.  We will also be holding a run/walk at the end of the event.  All dog users across the nation are encouraged and welcome to attend  Stay tuned for more information regarding the symposium.

If you are interested, please send an email to mewhalen at gmail.com with your name, address, phone number and number of tickets you are purchasing.  If possible, please include the same information in print or Braille when sending a check to:

Meghan Whalen, President
Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users
2566 Hoard St
apt. 2
Madison WI 53704

Checks should be made out to WAGDU.

Thank you very much in advance for your support.

Best,
Meghan Whalen, President
Wisconsin Association of Guide Dog Users

From ginisd at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jun  4 23:43:52 2010
From: ginisd at sbcglobal.net (V Nork)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:43:52 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Cooking Questions
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimftDBB2_FvwxzmM_sdy_gIJfOOdp9kUKq1hKuv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimftDBB2_FvwxzmM_sdy_gIJfOOdp9kUKq1hKuv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <553BE94A8F65484DA3B56A3C8BFB383F@windows4c0ed96>

Karen, Thanks  so much for your thoughts, cooking is really  such  an
individual thing, and it is easy to get into a rut.   I used to love gourmet
cooking but I am a bit rusty since my eyesight deteriorated  in the last
five years from partial to very limited vision.  But I am rethinking things
so as to adapt.  One question is, is the toaster oven difficult to clean
without sighted help?   I think it can be a crumb magnet.  Also, do you or
anyone else have a link to a blind cooks list?  Thanks, Ginny

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Karen Anderson
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 6:27 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Cooking Questions

Hi All,

These are all good questions, and there isn't one thing that works for
everyone. I recently graduated from the Louisiana Center for the
Blind, and I think getting good training is one of the best things a
blind person can do. But I realize that it isn't always the right time
for training, so here are some of my suggestions in the mean time.

To start out, there are lots of meals that can be made in the
microwave. Frozen dinners only require that you take the plastic tray
out of the box, peel back the plastic a little way, and cook it until
all of the food is hot. There are also single serving packages of Mac
and cheese and hamburger helper, along with things like mini pizzas
and pizza roles, that can be cooked in the microwave. And let's not
forget our childhood friend spaghetios. These aren't particularly
amazing, but they work.

As someone who lives alone, I love my little toaster oven mostly
because i don't see the need to heat up a big oven when I'm just
cooking for myself. Anything that can be baked in a standard oven can,
in theory, be cooked in a toaster oven. I've even gone so far as to
buy buckets of frozen cookie dough and make cookies one or 2 at a time
so I can have fresh cookies whenever I want them. Frozen chicken
nuggets, French fries, tater tots and the like are also good in the
oven. It is fine to ask the person helping you shop to read the
directions on things, and with things like chicken nuggets if you
can't remember the directions you can cook them until you hear them
sizzling and they feel crispy to the touch. You can use a fork to
touch the item, and if the top of the chicken nugget feels rough and
crunchy under the fork it is usually done. You can also carefully
touch the food with the tip of your finger. If you take the food out,
bite into it, and decide it is still cold in the middle you can always
put it back in the oven for a few minutes.
If your oven is already marked, like I think you said yours is Kerri,
then you can ask a sighted friend or neighbor to come and tell you
which dot marks which temperature. Hopefully it is marked in a logical
way so that 1 dot is at 250 degrees, the next at 300, 350, and so
forth. The temperature gets higher the farther to the right you turn
the dial.

the stove may be a little more intimidating, but with practice you can
become comfortable with it, too.
To brown hamburger, place the defrosted meat into a frying pan. Turn
the stove onto medium heat, which means the dial is pointed at what
would be 5 or 6 o'clock. Hold the handle of the pan with one hand and
take a spatula in the other. Find the meat with the spatula, and use
it to chop the meat into little pieces by pressing down on the meat,
then finding the big chunk of meat again and repeating the process.
Once the meat has been chopped into pieces, use the spatula to
continue stirring. While the meat is cooking it will be sizzling, and
it will feel sort of wet and slippery under the spatula. When it is
done the sizzling will slow down and get much softer, and the meat
will feel coarse when you stir it with the spatula.

To scramble eggs, crack them into a bowl and add a little milk and
seasoning. Then beat them with a fork until they feel all liquidy,
rather than being able to feel the yolk in with the liquid. Then put a
frying pan on the stove and turn it to medium heat. Put just a little
butter in the bottom of the pan, and once it is melted pour the eggs
into the pan. Take a spatula and stir the eggs continuously until they
start to feel thicker and almost chunky. Then, take the pan off the
stove, put your eggs on a plate, and enjoy them.

Keep in mind that you are probably going to make mistakes while you
are learning, and not everything is going to come out perfectly the
first time. The best thing to do is to keep trying and learn from your
mistakes. If you burn the meat one time, the next time you cook it
take it off the heat a little sooner. And remember that sighted people
burn things, too, so it isn't just because you are blind. The hardest
part of all of this is getting up the nerve to try it for the first
time.

I hope this helps. If you have more questions, feel free to ask.

Karen

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jun  4 23:50:56 2010
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 19:50:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] recipies in alternative formats
Message-ID: <D2CBE93BE6E040DD8AB33E8E3A914534@Ashley>

Hi All,
Kerri asked an excellent question.  I wanted to follow up since it was a question buried among many cooking questions.

Going online such as to www.cooks.com is a way to obtain recipies.  

But where else do you look to begin trying to cook other things?  Many recipies online seem more advanced.

Are there braille cookbooks with some beginner recipies? If so, which do you recommend?  I know NLS has cookbooks but they are mainly audio versions and I don't want that.  

There are subscriptions out there for cooking magizines such as Southern living.  But are there some in an accessible format?  


Thanks!

Ashley

From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 23:55:38 2010
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 19:55:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Cooking Questions
In-Reply-To: <553BE94A8F65484DA3B56A3C8BFB383F@windows4c0ed96>
References: <AANLkTimftDBB2_FvwxzmM_sdy_gIJfOOdp9kUKq1hKuv@mail.gmail.com>
	<553BE94A8F65484DA3B56A3C8BFB383F@windows4c0ed96>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikTv2S4Bq9l5dajzOWb3WXrqulDEVL-HYyDWOvo@mail.gmail.com>

I'd never really thought about telling doneness when grilling. I knew a
blind person could use a grill with relative ease, as I remember doing so
under sleep shades at a student seminar once in Baltimore but I forgot how
we determined how much the meat had cooked.

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:43 PM, V Nork <ginisd at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Karen, Thanks  so much for your thoughts, cooking is really  such  an
> individual thing, and it is easy to get into a rut.   I used to love
> gourmet
> cooking but I am a bit rusty since my eyesight deteriorated  in the last
> five years from partial to very limited vision.  But I am rethinking things
> so as to adapt.  One question is, is the toaster oven difficult to clean
> without sighted help?   I think it can be a crumb magnet.  Also, do you or
> anyone else have a link to a blind cooks list?  Thanks, Ginny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Karen Anderson
> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 6:27 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Cooking Questions
>
> Hi All,
>
> These are all good questions, and there isn't one thing that works for
> everyone. I recently graduated from the Louisiana Center for the
> Blind, and I think getting good training is one of the best things a
> blind person can do. But I realize that it isn't always the right time
> for training, so here are some of my suggestions in the mean time.
>
> To start out, there are lots of meals that can be made in the
> microwave. Frozen dinners only require that you take the plastic tray
> out of the box, peel back the plastic a little way, and cook it until
> all of the food is hot. There are also single serving packages of Mac
> and cheese and hamburger helper, along with things like mini pizzas
> and pizza roles, that can be cooked in the microwave. And let's not
> forget our childhood friend spaghetios. These aren't particularly
> amazing, but they work.
>
> As someone who lives alone, I love my little toaster oven mostly
> because i don't see the need to heat up a big oven when I'm just
> cooking for myself. Anything that can be baked in a standard oven can,
> in theory, be cooked in a toaster oven. I've even gone so far as to
> buy buckets of frozen cookie dough and make cookies one or 2 at a time
> so I can have fresh cookies whenever I want them. Frozen chicken
> nuggets, French fries, tater tots and the like are also good in the
> oven. It is fine to ask the person helping you shop to read the
> directions on things, and with things like chicken nuggets if you
> can't remember the directions you can cook them until you hear them
> sizzling and they feel crispy to the touch. You can use a fork to
> touch the item, and if the top of the chicken nugget feels rough and
> crunchy under the fork it is usually done. You can also carefully
> touch the food with the tip of your finger. If you take the food out,
> bite into it, and decide it is still cold in the middle you can always
> put it back in the oven for a few minutes.
> If your oven is already marked, like I think you said yours is Kerri,
> then you can ask a sighted friend or neighbor to come and tell you
> which dot marks which temperature. Hopefully it is marked in a logical
> way so that 1 dot is at 250 degrees, the next at 300, 350, and so
> forth. The temperature gets higher the farther to the right you turn
> the dial.
>
> the stove may be a little more intimidating, but with practice you can
> become comfortable with it, too.
> To brown hamburger, place the defrosted meat into a frying pan. Turn
> the stove onto medium heat, which means the dial is pointed at what
> would be 5 or 6 o'clock. Hold the handle of the pan with one hand and
> take a spatula in the other. Find the meat with the spatula, and use
> it to chop the meat into little pieces by pressing down on the meat,
> then finding the big chunk of meat again and repeating the process.
> Once the meat has been chopped into pieces, use the spatula to
> continue stirring. While the meat is cooking it will be sizzling, and
> it will feel sort of wet and slippery under the spatula. When it is
> done the sizzling will slow down and get much softer, and the meat
> will feel coarse when you stir it with the spatula.
>
> To scramble eggs, crack them into a bowl and add a little milk and
> seasoning. Then beat them with a fork until they feel all liquidy,
> rather than being able to feel the yolk in with the liquid. Then put a
> frying pan on the stove and turn it to medium heat. Put just a little
> butter in the bottom of the pan, and once it is melted pour the eggs
> into the pan. Take a spatula and stir the eggs continuously until they
> start to feel thicker and almost chunky. Then, take the pan off the
> stove, put your eggs on a plate, and enjoy them.
>
> Keep in mind that you are probably going to make mistakes while you
> are learning, and not everything is going to come out perfectly the
> first time. The best thing to do is to keep trying and learn from your
> mistakes. If you burn the meat one time, the next time you cook it
> take it off the heat a little sooner. And remember that sighted people
> burn things, too, so it isn't just because you are blind. The hardest
> part of all of this is getting up the nerve to try it for the first
> time.
>
> I hope this helps. If you have more questions, feel free to ask.
>
> Karen
>
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Sat Jun  5 01:15:44 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 21:15:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] recipies in alternative formats
In-Reply-To: <D2CBE93BE6E040DD8AB33E8E3A914534@Ashley>
References: <D2CBE93BE6E040DD8AB33E8E3A914534@Ashley>
Message-ID: <AA287CBF36DC4659AA44F1435408AAAA@Rufus>

The Iowa Department for the Blind has a great four-volume Braille cookbook
we used to teach students in the summer transition program.  Actually, I'm
glad the point about cookbooks came up, because I've been meaning to buy a
set.  At any rate, there are some great categories from appetizers to main
courses, and the recipes are easy to follow.  There's a great recipe for
meatballs with grape jelly, and if you've never had such a thing, I'm
telling you it's what a friend from Louisiana would call good enough to slap
yo mamma.  Check it out on the IDB catalogue.

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
bookwormahb at earthlink.net
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 7:51 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] recipies in alternative formats

Hi All,
Kerri asked an excellent question.  I wanted to follow up since 
it was a question buried among many cooking questions.

Going online such as to www.cooks.com is a way to obtain recipies.  

But where else do you look to begin trying to cook other 
things?  Many recipies online seem more advanced.

Are there braille cookbooks with some beginner recipies? If so, 
which do you recommend?  I know NLS has cookbooks but they are 
mainly audio versions and I don't want that.  

There are subscriptions out there for cooking magizines such as 
Southern living.  But are there some in an accessible format?  


Thanks!

Ashley
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From chelseap08 at gmail.com  Sat Jun  5 01:26:59 2010
From: chelseap08 at gmail.com (C Page)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:26:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Cooking Questions
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When I grill, whether it be on the George foreman or on a propain or
charcoal grill,  I normally use an item such as a fork or something
sharp and if the meat is not real firm then it is probably not well
done.  A toaster is great when you are an individual who likes to cook
small amounts of stuff.  They're so easy to clean as most come with a
removable pan inside that you just take out and wash.  Another quick
and easy meal is stirfry.  You can cook this meal in the microwave.
You just have to ask a sighted person to read you the directions or
just dump it in a skillet and experiment with it.

On 6/4/10, Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd never really thought about telling doneness when grilling. I knew a
> blind person could use a grill with relative ease, as I remember doing so
> under sleep shades at a student seminar once in Baltimore but I forgot how
> we determined how much the meat had cooked.
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:43 PM, V Nork <ginisd at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Karen, Thanks  so much for your thoughts, cooking is really  such  an
>> individual thing, and it is easy to get into a rut.   I used to love
>> gourmet
>> cooking but I am a bit rusty since my eyesight deteriorated  in the last
>> five years from partial to very limited vision.  But I am rethinking
>> things
>> so as to adapt.  One question is, is the toaster oven difficult to clean
>> without sighted help?   I think it can be a crumb magnet.  Also, do you or
>> anyone else have a link to a blind cooks list?  Thanks, Ginny
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Karen Anderson
>> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 6:27 AM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Cooking Questions
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> These are all good questions, and there isn't one thing that works for
>> everyone. I recently graduated from the Louisiana Center for the
>> Blind, and I think getting good training is one of the best things a
>> blind person can do. But I realize that it isn't always the right time
>> for training, so here are some of my suggestions in the mean time.
>>
>> To start out, there are lots of meals that can be made in the
>> microwave. Frozen dinners only require that you take the plastic tray
>> out of the box, peel back the plastic a little way, and cook it until
>> all of the food is hot. There are also single serving packages of Mac
>> and cheese and hamburger helper, along with things like mini pizzas
>> and pizza roles, that can be cooked in the microwave. And let's not
>> forget our childhood friend spaghetios. These aren't particularly
>> amazing, but they work.
>>
>> As someone who lives alone, I love my little toaster oven mostly
>> because i don't see the need to heat up a big oven when I'm just
>> cooking for myself. Anything that can be baked in a standard oven can,
>> in theory, be cooked in a toaster oven. I've even gone so far as to
>> buy buckets of frozen cookie dough and make cookies one or 2 at a time
>> so I can have fresh cookies whenever I want them. Frozen chicken
>> nuggets, French fries, tater tots and the like are also good in the
>> oven. It is fine to ask the person helping you shop to read the
>> directions on things, and with things like chicken nuggets if you
>> can't remember the directions you can cook them until you hear them
>> sizzling and they feel crispy to the touch. You can use a fork to
>> touch the item, and if the top of the chicken nugget feels rough and
>> crunchy under the fork it is usually done. You can also carefully
>> touch the food with the tip of your finger. If you take the food out,
>> bite into it, and decide it is still cold in the middle you can always
>> put it back in the oven for a few minutes.
>> If your oven is already marked, like I think you said yours is Kerri,
>> then you can ask a sighted friend or neighbor to come and tell you
>> which dot marks which temperature. Hopefully it is marked in a logical
>> way so that 1 dot is at 250 degrees, the next at 300, 350, and so
>> forth. The temperature gets higher the farther to the right you turn
>> the dial.
>>
>> the stove may be a little more intimidating, but with practice you can
>> become comfortable with it, too.
>> To brown hamburger, place the defrosted meat into a frying pan. Turn
>> the stove onto medium heat, which means the dial is pointed at what
>> would be 5 or 6 o'clock. Hold the handle of the pan with one hand and
>> take a spatula in the other. Find the meat with the spatula, and use
>> it to chop the meat into little pieces by pressing down on the meat,
>> then finding the big chunk of meat again and repeating the process.
>> Once the meat has been chopped into pieces, use the spatula to
>> continue stirring. While the meat is cooking it will be sizzling, and
>> it will feel sort of wet and slippery under the spatula. When it is
>> done the sizzling will slow down and get much softer, and the meat
>> will feel coarse when you stir it with the spatula.
>>
>> To scramble eggs, crack them into a bowl and add a little milk and
>> seasoning. Then beat them with a fork until they feel all liquidy,
>> rather than being able to feel the yolk in with the liquid. Then put a
>> frying pan on the stove and turn it to medium heat. Put just a little
>> butter in the bottom of the pan, and once it is melted pour the eggs
>> into the pan. Take a spatula and stir the eggs continuously until they
>> start to feel thicker and almost chunky. Then, take the pan off the
>> stove, put your eggs on a plate, and enjoy them.
>>
>> Keep in mind that you are probably going to make mistakes while you
>> are learning, and not everything is going to come out perfectly the
>> first time. The best thing to do is to keep trying and learn from your
>> mistakes. If you burn the meat one time, the next time you cook it
>> take it off the heat a little sooner. And remember that sighted people
>> burn things, too, so it isn't just because you are blind. The hardest
>> part of all of this is getting up the nerve to try it for the first
>> time.
>>
>> I hope this helps. If you have more questions, feel free to ask.
>>
>> Karen
>>
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(601)618-5170


From chelseap08 at gmail.com  Sat Jun  5 01:35:35 2010
From: chelseap08 at gmail.com (C Page)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:35:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Hanheld magnifier needed
Message-ID: <AANLkTimZn_ije9BDLTPQpR0P3kliuMppaRWqnpI-erBG@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, everyone!
I am wondering if anyone knows where I might find a used handheld
magnifier such a Pico from.  Any suggestions would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks
Chelsea

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(601)618-5170


From kerrik2006 at gmail.com  Sat Jun  5 01:41:56 2010
From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 21:41:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Cooking Questions
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Hi Karen and All!

Thanks so much for the help/tips.

A few things. First, you are absolutely right...it is my own apartment
and I will find a sighted person to help me label and make sure I know
which temperature my toaster oven begins on.

Like Karen, I do happen to live alone so for me cooking things in the
toaster oven is probably best since it is smaller and the oven that
came with my apartment is one of those huge huge ones.

My question is though, can you fix casseroles in the toaster oven? Is
it big enough for that? Mine is small, and fits a 13-inch standard pan
but it can't fit a huge pan. One thing I like and have found the
recipe for is Green bean Casserole...could a toaster oven fix
something like that?

I think one of my biggest problems is I put limitations on my own
cooking. See, my parents never really let me grocery shop...they did
it and made everything for me. So, now that I'm living on my own, I
have trouble of thinking of different things to cook besides just the
standard things I know I can cook like the chicken, tacos,
hotdogs...ETC.

I guess it's just a matter of researching for different recipes and
trying new things.

I will give those frozen dinners a try and try to get more
creative/find more/different recipes and things to make.

Thanks again for everything!

Kerri

On 6/4/10, Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd never really thought about telling doneness when grilling. I knew a
> blind person could use a grill with relative ease, as I remember doing so
> under sleep shades at a student seminar once in Baltimore but I forgot how
> we determined how much the meat had cooked.
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:43 PM, V Nork <ginisd at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Karen, Thanks  so much for your thoughts, cooking is really  such  an
>> individual thing, and it is easy to get into a rut.   I used to love
>> gourmet
>> cooking but I am a bit rusty since my eyesight deteriorated  in the last
>> five years from partial to very limited vision.  But I am rethinking
>> things
>> so as to adapt.  One question is, is the toaster oven difficult to clean
>> without sighted help?   I think it can be a crumb magnet.  Also, do you or
>> anyone else have a link to a blind cooks list?  Thanks, Ginny
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Karen Anderson
>> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 6:27 AM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Cooking Questions
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> These are all good questions, and there isn't one thing that works for
>> everyone. I recently graduated from the Louisiana Center for the
>> Blind, and I think getting good training is one of the best things a
>> blind person can do. But I realize that it isn't always the right time
>> for training, so here are some of my suggestions in the mean time.
>>
>> To start out, there are lots of meals that can be made in the
>> microwave. Frozen dinners only require that you take the plastic tray
>> out of the box, peel back the plastic a little way, and cook it until
>> all of the food is hot. There are also single serving packages of Mac
>> and cheese and hamburger helper, along with things like mini pizzas
>> and pizza roles, that can be cooked in the microwave. And let's not
>> forget our childhood friend spaghetios. These aren't particularly
>> amazing, but they work.
>>
>> As someone who lives alone, I love my little toaster oven mostly
>> because i don't see the need to heat up a big oven when I'm just
>> cooking for myself. Anything that can be baked in a standard oven can,
>> in theory, be cooked in a toaster oven. I've even gone so far as to
>> buy buckets of frozen cookie dough and make cookies one or 2 at a time
>> so I can have fresh cookies whenever I want them. Frozen chicken
>> nuggets, French fries, tater tots and the like are also good in the
>> oven. It is fine to ask the person helping you shop to read the
>> directions on things, and with things like chicken nuggets if you
>> can't remember the directions you can cook them until you hear them
>> sizzling and they feel crispy to the touch. You can use a fork to
>> touch the item, and if the top of the chicken nugget feels rough and
>> crunchy under the fork it is usually done. You can also carefully
>> touch the food with the tip of your finger. If you take the food out,
>> bite into it, and decide it is still cold in the middle you can always
>> put it back in the oven for a few minutes.
>> If your oven is already marked, like I think you said yours is Kerri,
>> then you can ask a sighted friend or neighbor to come and tell you
>> which dot marks which temperature. Hopefully it is marked in a logical
>> way so that 1 dot is at 250 degrees, the next at 300, 350, and so
>> forth. The temperature gets higher the farther to the right you turn
>> the dial.
>>
>> the stove may be a little more intimidating, but with practice you can
>> become comfortable with it, too.
>> To brown hamburger, place the defrosted meat into a frying pan. Turn
>> the stove onto medium heat, which means the dial is pointed at what
>> would be 5 or 6 o'clock. Hold the handle of the pan with one hand and
>> take a spatula in the other. Find the meat with the spatula, and use
>> it to chop the meat into little pieces by pressing down on the meat,
>> then finding the big chunk of meat again and repeating the process.
>> Once the meat has been chopped into pieces, use the spatula to
>> continue stirring. While the meat is cooking it will be sizzling, and
>> it will feel sort of wet and slippery under the spatula. When it is
>> done the sizzling will slow down and get much softer, and the meat
>> will feel coarse when you stir it with the spatula.
>>
>> To scramble eggs, crack them into a bowl and add a little milk and
>> seasoning. Then beat them with a fork until they feel all liquidy,
>> rather than being able to feel the yolk in with the liquid. Then put a
>> frying pan on the stove and turn it to medium heat. Put just a little
>> butter in the bottom of the pan, and once it is melted pour the eggs
>> into the pan. Take a spatula and stir the eggs continuously until they
>> start to feel thicker and almost chunky. Then, take the pan off the
>> stove, put your eggs on a plate, and enjoy them.
>>
>> Keep in mind that you are probably going to make mistakes while you
>> are learning, and not everything is going to come out perfectly the
>> first time. The best thing to do is to keep trying and learn from your
>> mistakes. If you burn the meat one time, the next time you cook it
>> take it off the heat a little sooner. And remember that sighted people
>> burn things, too, so it isn't just because you are blind. The hardest
>> part of all of this is getting up the nerve to try it for the first
>> time.
>>
>> I hope this helps. If you have more questions, feel free to ask.
>>
>> Karen
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From rjaquiss at earthlink.net  Sat Jun  5 02:34:48 2010
From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (Robert Jaquiss)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 21:34:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Cooking Questions
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Hello:

     For those who are interested, there is a cooking list on nfbnet.
The site is:
http://www.nfbnet.org
Find Join Lists and then read down the lists.
You can also do a Google search with the terms
blind cooking
or
blind cooking show

These searches will return a number of results. Enjoy!

Regards,

Robert Jaquiss, President
Greater Ouachita Chapter
National Federation of the Blind
Email: rjaquiss at earthlink.net


From harryhogue at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  5 04:12:03 2010
From: harryhogue at yahoo.com (Harry Hogue)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 23:12:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Cooking Questions
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Kerri,
It is
 Often as simple as saying to yourself, "Hmmm, I sure liked the... (fill in
the blank) that I had at this or that restaurant... I think I'd like to try
and find a recipe for it."  Keep in mind, also, that there are a million
different ways of making a single dish, and everyone will put their own
touch on a recipe; therefore, if something you had in a restaurant doesn't
taste the same at home after you make it, never fear:  chances are good that
if your mom made it would taste different from the restaurant's version as
well, and some of this has a lot to do with the fact that restaurants keep
many of their recipes secret.  There are so-called "copy-cat" recipes, which
purport to be identical versions, but perhaps made with slightly different
ingredients, cooking methods, etc.  Most of all, instead of thinking, "What
can I cook?"  Think, "What kinds of food do I like to eat?"  And go from
there.  Also, there is no such thing as an ideal recipe/or the way something
should be.  If you make something and it tastes good to you, is cooked so
you wouldn't' become sick from it (in the case of meats etc), then you're
fine.  As first, I would encourage you to follow recipes to get familiar
with the process of cooking, and then once you are comfortable with a recipe
(tacos on the stove, browning the meat, making the taco seasoning, etc. then
you could perhaps experiment a bit -- add more of this, less of that,
substitute an ingredient in place of another ingredient, and so forth.

As far as grocery shopping, look on websites of grocery stores like
Wal-Mart, Kroger, Rainbow, etc. and look at the different food products they
offer.  Within the store itself, your groceries will be divided into
categories -- dairy (milk, eggs, etc), produce (fruits/vegetables), and so
on.  I have a wonderful cookbook written for blind people which may be of
use to you; I will send it to you if you are interested.

I hope this helps; if you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to
ask.

Harry Hogue

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Kerri Kosten
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 8:42 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Cooking Questions

Hi Karen and All!

Thanks so much for the help/tips.

A few things. First, you are absolutely right...it is my own apartment
and I will find a sighted person to help me label and make sure I know
which temperature my toaster oven begins on.

Like Karen, I do happen to live alone so for me cooking things in the
toaster oven is probably best since it is smaller and the oven that
came with my apartment is one of those huge huge ones.

My question is though, can you fix casseroles in the toaster oven? Is
it big enough for that? Mine is small, and fits a 13-inch standard pan
but it can't fit a huge pan. One thing I like and have found the
recipe for is Green bean Casserole...could a toaster oven fix
something like that?

I think one of my biggest problems is I put limitations on my own
cooking. See, my parents never really let me grocery shop...they did
it and made everything for me. So, now that I'm living on my own, I
have trouble of thinking of different things to cook besides just the
standard things I know I can cook like the chicken, tacos,
hotdogs...ETC.

I guess it's just a matter of researching for different recipes and
trying new things.

I will give those frozen dinners a try and try to get more
creative/find more/different recipes and things to make.

Thanks again for everything!

Kerri

On 6/4/10, Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd never really thought about telling doneness when grilling. I knew a
> blind person could use a grill with relative ease, as I remember doing so
> under sleep shades at a student seminar once in Baltimore but I forgot how
> we determined how much the meat had cooked.
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:43 PM, V Nork <ginisd at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Karen, Thanks  so much for your thoughts, cooking is really  such  an
>> individual thing, and it is easy to get into a rut.   I used to love
>> gourmet
>> cooking but I am a bit rusty since my eyesight deteriorated  in the last
>> five years from partial to very limited vision.  But I am rethinking
>> things
>> so as to adapt.  One question is, is the toaster oven difficult to clean
>> without sighted help?   I think it can be a crumb magnet.  Also, do you
or
>> anyone else have a link to a blind cooks list?  Thanks, Ginny
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Karen Anderson
>> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 6:27 AM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Cooking Questions
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> These are all good questions, and there isn't one thing that works for
>> everyone. I recently graduated from the Louisiana Center for the
>> Blind, and I think getting good training is one of the best things a
>> blind person can do. But I realize that it isn't always the right time
>> for training, so here are some of my suggestions in the mean time.
>>
>> To start out, there are lots of meals that can be made in the
>> microwave. Frozen dinners only require that you take the plastic tray
>> out of the box, peel back the plastic a little way, and cook it until
>> all of the food is hot. There are also single serving packages of Mac
>> and cheese and hamburger helper, along with things like mini pizzas
>> and pizza roles, that can be cooked in the microwave. And let's not
>> forget our childhood friend spaghetios. These aren't particularly
>> amazing, but they work.
>>
>> As someone who lives alone, I love my little toaster oven mostly
>> because i don't see the need to heat up a big oven when I'm just
>> cooking for myself. Anything that can be baked in a standard oven can,
>> in theory, be cooked in a toaster oven. I've even gone so far as to
>> buy buckets of frozen cookie dough and make cookies one or 2 at a time
>> so I can have fresh cookies whenever I want them. Frozen chicken
>> nuggets, French fries, tater tots and the like are also good in the
>> oven. It is fine to ask the person helping you shop to read the
>> directions on things, and with things like chicken nuggets if you
>> can't remember the directions you can cook them until you hear them
>> sizzling and they feel crispy to the touch. You can use a fork to
>> touch the item, and if the top of the chicken nugget feels rough and
>> crunchy under the fork it is usually done. You can also carefully
>> touch the food with the tip of your finger. If you take the food out,
>> bite into it, and decide it is still cold in the middle you can always
>> put it back in the oven for a few minutes.
>> If your oven is already marked, like I think you said yours is Kerri,
>> then you can ask a sighted friend or neighbor to come and tell you
>> which dot marks which temperature. Hopefully it is marked in a logical
>> way so that 1 dot is at 250 degrees, the next at 300, 350, and so
>> forth. The temperature gets higher the farther to the right you turn
>> the dial.
>>
>> the stove may be a little more intimidating, but with practice you can
>> become comfortable with it, too.
>> To brown hamburger, place the defrosted meat into a frying pan. Turn
>> the stove onto medium heat, which means the dial is pointed at what
>> would be 5 or 6 o'clock. Hold the handle of the pan with one hand and
>> take a spatula in the other. Find the meat with the spatula, and use
>> it to chop the meat into little pieces by pressing down on the meat,
>> then finding the big chunk of meat again and repeating the process.
>> Once the meat has been chopped into pieces, use the spatula to
>> continue stirring. While the meat is cooking it will be sizzling, and
>> it will feel sort of wet and slippery under the spatula. When it is
>> done the sizzling will slow down and get much softer, and the meat
>> will feel coarse when you stir it with the spatula.
>>
>> To scramble eggs, crack them into a bowl and add a little milk and
>> seasoning. Then beat them with a fork until they feel all liquidy,
>> rather than being able to feel the yolk in with the liquid. Then put a
>> frying pan on the stove and turn it to medium heat. Put just a little
>> butter in the bottom of the pan, and once it is melted pour the eggs
>> into the pan. Take a spatula and stir the eggs continuously until they
>> start to feel thicker and almost chunky. Then, take the pan off the
>> stove, put your eggs on a plate, and enjoy them.
>>
>> Keep in mind that you are probably going to make mistakes while you
>> are learning, and not everything is going to come out perfectly the
>> first time. The best thing to do is to keep trying and learn from your
>> mistakes. If you burn the meat one time, the next time you cook it
>> take it off the heat a little sooner. And remember that sighted people
>> burn things, too, so it isn't just because you are blind. The hardest
>> part of all of this is getting up the nerve to try it for the first
>> time.
>>
>> I hope this helps. If you have more questions, feel free to ask.
>>
>> Karen
>>
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From jlastar at comcast.net  Sat Jun  5 15:43:11 2010
From: jlastar at comcast.net (Jennifer Applegate)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:43:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] scholarships
Message-ID: <9378772C761D4799B3722E4108246202@YOURH99HMLEC97>

Has anyone heard if they are a winner?

From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sat Jun  5 19:07:12 2010
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 12:07:12 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Nabs membership committee conference call -
	National Convention
Message-ID: <AANLkTikDee8cN4lEnubsnkF33Y0bdr1wMN0-aE--lyGo@mail.gmail.com>

Happy Summer Fellow Students!

  We have made it through yet another school year/semester and  now we
look ahead to the summer and National Convention!
 In preparation for this week-long amazing event,  the national
Association of  Blind Students membership committee is pleased to
present to you a convention conference call.
  On this call, we  will be talking about what generally goes on
during  convention including the ajenda for the student meeting and
other  must- visits and experiences as a part of  the action- packed
week that will be.
 So, bring your questions and advice to our final conference call
before we all make our way to Dallas Texas.

 Call Info:
 When: Sunday, June 6,
 Time 7p.m. EST
Phone number: 712.775.7100 passcode 257963

 Of course, the call will also be streamed and archived for your
listening pleasure should you be unable to  join the conversation.
 As always, thank you for your support, and we look forward to
speaking with you all on Sunday!
 The Nabs membership committee









-- 
Darian Smith
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spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin


From jorgeapaez at mac.com  Sun Jun  6 00:55:58 2010
From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 20:55:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] mac lending needed
Message-ID: <36622773-0B5A-4801-810D-C48651CB56B8@mac.com>

Hi guys:
I have a friend who would want to land a Mac for a few weeks, figure out if he likes it first, and I heard a post about it earlier on this list.
Can anyone mention a place likely to have a branch in Huston Texas?

Thanks.

Jorge



From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Sun Jun  6 13:34:41 2010
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 09:34:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
In-Reply-To: <72FC8399055D41B5BB52C9366C5FCA82@Ashley>
References: <AANLkTilOPv1Tu1Hqf_48LFpSdVEflZw24ufx3ZZGgcRn@mail.gmail.com>
	<72FC8399055D41B5BB52C9366C5FCA82@Ashley>
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I prefer a real oven too. It's much bigger than a toaster oven, which means that, at least for me, it's easier to manipulate stuff inside. Basically it's very hot inside any type of oven, except in a regular big oven it's easier for me to do things without having to try not to touch anything so I don't get burned. A toaster oven is fine, but it's limiting and if you want to cook for you plus a couple of people or something, it will be slower.
On Jun 4, 2010, at 5:10 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:

> Hi Kerri,
> I think your parents need to speak to competent blind cooks or do some research on blind cooking techniques.
> If you are in an apartment on your own I don't understand why its your parent's decission whether or not you choose to label and use your real oven.  Using a toaster oven is limiting!  I did not grow up having one. Just use a real oven; everything you do in a toaster oven can be done in a real oven.
> 
> Get a friend or reader to assist you in labeling your oven and stove.
> If your oven is electric there are no flames so its safer.
> Its sad to hear of parents acting like this.  What do they expect you to do? They won't be around forever and you can't live off microwaved food all the time.
> 
> To label use dots or some sort of glue and let it dry for a day.  If you have an electric oven with numbers use dimo tape to braille label it.
> Independent living Aids sells labeling tools.  Also label in a systematic way such as a dot at 300 and then 350 degrees.  You say you don't recall what the dots mean on your toaster oven.  That is real important!  Get someone to tell you where its labeled.
> 
> I was in a similar situation growing up and just started learning to cook with rehab teachers and training at our local center and other blind cooks.
> My parents did not teach me how to cook either particularly with the stove. They encouraged me to use the microwave.  My dad showed me how to use our toaster.  With it I made frozen waffles as you did and toast.
> So I know where you're coming from.
> 
> 
> In my opinion the oven is easier to use.  But with practice you will get the stove too.
> 
> I think you should have an more experienced cook, blind or sighted, show you some cooking techniques and safety measures.  Use oven mits or gloves for the oven; there are even some that cover most of your arm.  Another safety tip is to hold the handle of a pan or pot on the stove.  This usually does not get hot and that way your pot or pan won't slide.
> 
> To start you could cook frozen dinners in the microwave or oven.  Cooking from scratch is more healthy though.  Many products just require you to cook until boiling on the stove.  For instance canned vegetables you just warm up till hot.  Canned soups you cook till boiling.
> Those canned products are simple to start out with.  You could also buy Kraft Mac and cheese.  Its a great side dish; have it with baked chicken or frozen dinner and you have a meal with carbs and protein.
> Even easier is Easy Mac wich can be cooked in the microwave.
> You can learn to brown beef or scramble eggs but I think it may help to have someone show you so you ensure its done cooking.
> You can also make healthy food that you don't even have to cook.  For instance different types of salad and fruit salad are good options.
> 
> I'll describe how to
> brown beef although I'll admit I'm not confident in that either because I can't see if the meat is cooked and done all the way.  To brown beef you need a frying pan and spatula.  Place the beef in the pan.  Turn on medium heat.
> Then break the meat up into small pieces with a spatula.  Stir the beef around.  It will sizzle.  When its done drain the grease off it unless you buy very lean meat.  I recommend that.
> 
> For scrambled eggs, that is easier.  Beat the eggs in a bowl with a fork. In a frying pan spray cooking spray or melt butter.  Add milk to the eggs. Then pour the liquid eggs into the frying pan.
> Stir the eggs in the pan.  When they are lumpy they are done.
> 
> Your other questions
> I'll insert them with my answers.
> 
> What things can I buy that you can fix in the oven? I've been told
> things like chicken nuggets, tator tots...
> 
> Yes that's true.  Don't just use frozen items.  I'd say chicken is a healthy thing to cook and its not a processed food.  I have trouble turning the chicken over though.  Chicken tenderloins cook all the way through; you don't have to flip them.  Healthy Choice and Lean Cuisine frozen foods are good and have less salt; all are doable in the oven.
> 
> Caseroles, meatloaf, and baked goods can be cooked in the oven.  Many things work.
> 
> Where can I find good recipes to begin trying to cook other things?
> I believe NLS has cookbooks.  You can also search for recipies online. The site www.cooks.com has many choices.
> 
> How do you have your ovens/stoves labeled?
> Kerri, everyone is different here.  I memorized the stove positions.  The electric oven is labeled with braille labels.  I have the main buttons labeled such as the numbers, bake, and clear.
> 
> 
> How do you find out directions on packages?
> I wonder that too.  I guess have someone read them.  Maybe record or braille them once they are read so you know for next time.
> 
> 
> When I go grocery shopping, is it appropriate to ask the shopping
> assistant to read me the package directions (at least the cooking time
> and oven temperature) and jot it down?
> 
> Yes, sometimes.  If its a few items I'd say yes.  But if its a bunch of things I'd say no since that gets time consuming.  I had store assistants read me the ingredients needed on a box to ensure I was buying all ingredients.  They may have read cooking instructions too.  They did not seem to mind.
> 
> When grocery shopping, how do you make sure to get the best prices on your items? Is it appropriate to ask the shopping assistant to look in
> one of those sales papers to see any of the items on the list is on
> sale? If so, are they usually willing to do these extra things?
> 
> I don't think they have time to search through sales papers for you.  I think that's partly your job to be ready with coupons or know what's on sale.  Coupons are in the papers, usually the Sunday paper.  You can ask a reader or friend for help.  Many store chains have their sale items online. Check their website for sale items.
> 
> To get the best prices, I also ask what is on sale sometimes at the store. I ask them to read prices of different brands.  Typically the store brand is cheaper than the national brand.  Off season produce will be more expensive than in-season produce.  Sugary cereal such as Captin crunch is more expensive than a grainy cereal like cheerios.
> 
> I don't think you neccessarily need a blind person to show you.  A patient sighted person hands on
> can teach you some cooking techniques.  The safety precautions, food storage tips and cleanlyness of the kitchen are not
> blindness specific things.  So ask around and learn.  Then tell your parents what you learned and maybe they'll feel you're safer in the kitchen.
> 
> Ashley
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kerri Kosten" <kerrik2006 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 1:28 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
> 
> 
>> Hi All!!
>> 
>> I hope these questions are not off-topic for this list. I understand
>> there is  a blind cooks list, but since I am a 22-year-old college
>> student I wanted to get some answers from other students.
>> 
>> I know very little about cooking. My parents refuse to teach me how to
>> do anything with the stove (I'm talking about the stove, not oven) and
>> think I should make everything in either the microwave, or George
>> Foreman grill.
>> 
>> I live in an area where the closest NFB chapter is an hour away so I
>   > don't really have any other blind people that can come over to help
>> me.
>> 
>> I can make a few things, mainly chicken (just put a boneless chicken
>> breast on the George Foreman grill), tacos (I cook the hamburger in
>> the Microwave, make the taco sauce in the microwave, and use hard taco
>> shells), sloppy joes (same thing, cook the hamburger in the microwave
>> and add the sloppy joe sauce), and steaks (George Foreman grill.)
>> 
>> I can also use the toaster for fixing waffles, and strudles.
>> 
>> I can fix hotdogs and pancakes in the microwave.
>> 
>> As you can see, this is very limiting and gets old after a while. I
>> would like to learn how to fix other things but don't know how without
>> a blind person teaching me.
>> 
>> Two things I'd like to do in particular are learning how to brown
>> hamburger properly on the stove, and fixing eggs but I am afraid to
>> just begin messing with the stove because without it being labeled
>> properly and not knowing what I'm doing I could easily start a fire.
>> 
>> For the oven, I use one of those small small toaster ovens. It has a
>> dial and I put dots beside the knob to tell the temperature but since
>> the dots are just dots I often can't tell which temperature I am
>> actually setting the oven to. I have my own apartment and it has one
>> of those huge ovens but my parents won't allow me to label it. It's
>> electric, not gas so there are no flames but I can't get them to see
>> it my way. They refuse to teach me how to fix even the simplest things
>> on the stove because they do not want to be responsible for me burning
>> my fingers or having grease splatter on me.
>> 
>> Do any of you have any suggestions?
>> 
>> What things can I buy that you can fix in the oven? I've been told
>> things like chicken nuggets, tator tots...
>> 
>> Where can I find good recipes to begin trying to cook other things?
>> 
>> Can many of you cook well or is this the level you are on?
>> 
>> Is there any way to learn to fix eggs or brown hamburger without
>> having another blind person teach me?
>> 
>> How do you have your ovens/stoves labeled?
>> 
>> How do you find out directions on packages? I've tried looking up the
>> directions for things like hamburger helper on the internet but I get
>> results such as "how to make home made hamburger helper," and all I
>> want is the oven time/temperature on the package.
>> 
>> Can I fix hamburger helper by cooking the hamburger meat in the
>> microwave, then fixing the noodles/sauce in the microwave and mixing
>> it all together?
>> 
>> When I go grocery shopping, is it appropriate to ask the shopping
>> assistant to read me the package directions (at least the cooking time
>> and oven temperature) and jot it down?
>> 
>> When grocery shopping, how do you make sure to get the best prices on
>> your items? Is it appropriate to ask the shopping assistant to look in
>> one of those sales papers to see any of the items on the list is on
>> sale? If so, are they usually willing to do these extra things?
>> 
>> 
>> I am going to training eventually, but in the mean time it frustrates
>> me not being able to fix hardly anything!
>> 
>> When I stay at my parents house (they live really really close so I
>> can come to their house often) they fix real dinners that taste so
>> good and it makes me not want to go back to my apartment because I
>> hate my cooking because I don't really fix things properly. My parents
>> are not that good at cooking themselves, but they fry their food and
>> it's cooked right so it tastes good whereas I'm trying to brown
>> hamburger in the microwave for example which isn't really how your
>> supposed to do it.
>> 
>> Thanks so much for any help!
>> 
>> Kerri
>> 
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From jesusfreak262 at gmail.com  Sun Jun  6 14:04:36 2010
From: jesusfreak262 at gmail.com (Bre B)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 10:04:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking
Message-ID: <4C0BAAF4.9090903@gmail.com>

Hi,
I am getting ready to enter my senior year in high school. i am so glad 
all this has come up. This has answered a lot of my questions. I can use 
the microwave, oven, and stove some. I have never tried making meet on 
the stove, so this will help a lot.
I most certainly don't want to live out of the microwave all my life.
Thanks all
Bre


From daydreamingncolor at gmail.com  Sun Jun  6 19:20:50 2010
From: daydreamingncolor at gmail.com (Aziza C)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:20:50 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NYC Cuts Special Education Services,
	students forced to sign wavers to their rights.
Message-ID: <346A3340E5C54C898A81E1955A18E913@D2F1J2M1>

http://school-staff-issues.suite101.com/article.cfm/nyc-school-ends-special-ed-exemplary-teacher-targeted

From sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca  Sun Jun  6 19:26:51 2010
From: sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca (sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 15:26:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] recipies in alternative formats
In-Reply-To: <AA287CBF36DC4659AA44F1435408AAAA@Rufus>
References: <D2CBE93BE6E040DD8AB33E8E3A914534@Ashley>
	<AA287CBF36DC4659AA44F1435408AAAA@Rufus>
Message-ID: <20100606152651.2r4bj2rr4000k00k@webmail.utoronto.ca>

Hi all,
I haven't tried all of their recipes, but the National Braille Press  
has some decent cookbooks, some of which are written by blind cooks.
Here's the webpage where you can find a list of adult books under the  
subcategory of home and health. All the cookbooks they have are within  
this list of 30 titles.

http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/process.html?subcat_id=6&heading=AdultBooksddHomeHealth&mv_nextpage=publicationsfbrowse_results&mv_todo=return



Quoting Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com>:

> The Iowa Department for the Blind has a great four-volume Braille cookbook
> we used to teach students in the summer transition program.  Actually, I'm
> glad the point about cookbooks came up, because I've been meaning to buy a
> set.  At any rate, there are some great categories from appetizers to main
> courses, and the recipes are easy to follow.  There's a great recipe for
> meatballs with grape jelly, and if you've never had such a thing, I'm
> telling you it's what a friend from Louisiana would call good enough to slap
> yo mamma.  Check it out on the IDB catalogue.
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 7:51 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] recipies in alternative formats
>
> Hi All,
> Kerri asked an excellent question.  I wanted to follow up since
> it was a question buried among many cooking questions.
>
> Going online such as to www.cooks.com is a way to obtain recipies.
>
> But where else do you look to begin trying to cook other
> things?  Many recipies online seem more advanced.
>
> Are there braille cookbooks with some beginner recipies? If so,
> which do you recommend?  I know NLS has cookbooks but they are
> mainly audio versions and I don't want that.
>
> There are subscriptions out there for cooking magizines such as
> Southern living.  But are there some in an accessible format?
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ashley
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From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Sun Jun  6 20:09:27 2010
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 16:09:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] How To Access Tonight's Conference Call Using Your Computer
References: <r2s85ff10071005032033ta82945fewa5e53a6e851bc195@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <690F3903C8A04253876EA53FF73BE906@radio360usa>

Hi All!
Can't call in to the call tonight? Want to listen using your pc to learn 
everything you've always wanted to know about convention, but were afraid to 
ask?
Well, as a result of the fact that I managed to sky dive from 13500 feet in 
the air down to safety, I can bring you this call using a stream that you 
can access via the internet.
At 7 PM eastern, go to
http://www.nabslinkaudio.org/listenlive.html
to access links for listening.
Alternatively, you can put the following url into your default media player:
http://sc2.icastcenter.com:10161
Can't make the call? No problem. A recording of it will be made available 
for download within 24 hours of the call's end.
Got questions? Email them to
david.dunphy at nabslinkaudio.org
All the best,
David Dunphy

*****
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and over again?
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arielle Silverman" <nabs.president at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 11:33 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB-Past, Present and Future


> Hi all,
>
> Whenever a question arises regarding NFB philosophy, the person asking
> the question is often advised to read books or listen to long speeches
> in order to find the answer. But to me the essence of NFB philosophy
> is very simple and can be conveyed with the sentence, "It is
> respectable to be blind." A single sentence, which can be stated in a
> single breath. The rest, I believe, is our collective opinions about
> how the respectability of blind people can best be affirmed and
> upheld. People can and do debate about the details, the policy
> positions and the program priorities that the organized blind should
> take toward the end of respectability. But the core of our philosophy,
> the notion that blindness is respectable and that the blind deserve
> dignity, is in my opinion a truth that very few people would argue
> against. And I fully believe that many people who choose to affiliate
> with the ACB, or not to join a blindness organization at all, are
> still NFB-ers at heart because they are committed to the
> respectability of being blind and they demonstrate it through their
> daily actions and full participation in society. I don't believe the
> NFB will be gone in fifty years because this basic truth will still
> exist and will still need our effort to keep respectability a reality
> for the blind.
>
> I will say that I don't agree with all the policy decisions and
> priorities that the NFB has taken in recent years. If it were up to
> me, for instance, I would spend much less time and resources on Web
> accessibility lawsuits and more energy trying to improve the quality
> of education at state schools for the blind, or the accessibility of
> entry-level jobs so blind teens can work in the same kinds of
> part-time jobs as their sighted peers and develop a sense of
> self-reliance. I don't agree fully with our Social Security Earnings
> legislation, and I have felt disappointed by the lack of concrete
> plans to match our rhetoric about fixing the Braille literacy crisis.
> I also don't agree with some of the political norms that have become
> widely accepted in the Federation on the national and state levels.
> However, I recognize that the NFB is run by human beings and that our
> programs not only depend on funding, but also tend to reflect the
> particular whims of our leaders and their preferences, talents,
> strengths and weaknesses. I am aware that while I am president of
> NABS, our student division will probably be strong in some areas and
> weak in others corresponding to my particular interests. It's
> something we can remedy by involving a diverse group of leaders, but
> it can't be fully avoided.
>
> I too sometimes feel burned out, and sometimes perceive our national
> convention as more like a big sales outfit than like the meeting of a
> civil rights organization. However, I keep working in the Federation
> and I plan to do so forever because I recognize that there is still
> more work to be done to make respectability a reality for all blind
> people. There are still blind people of all ages and backgrounds who
> haven't yet realized what their potential is or how to reach it. And
> daily encounters with the public remind me that the truth about
> blindness is a surprise rather than a given for many of our sighted
> brethren. Furthermore, I recognize that our organization cannot
> possibly get better in my eyes if I don't make myself part of the
> solution. I believe that it is up to our newer members and
> particularly our younger members to identify new issues, new points of
> change, and to bring them to the attention of the current leadership.
>
> I often hear from national and state NFB leaders that students are
> important because we are the future leaders of the organization. This
> mantra, while well-intentioned, I think is only part of the story. We
> are the future of the NFB but we are part of the present as well. We
> have important contributions to make that we can put into practice
> today, in NABS and also in our affiliates, and we are capable of
> engaging in full-fledged leadership. For example, I know that the
> Wisconsin student division just hosted their affiliate's state
> convention. I also know of at least one state student division that
> managed the legislative appointments for their affiliate's Washington
> Seminar delegation. Whether or not we hold elected offices in our
> chapters or affiliates, we can always involve ourselves by offering to
> serve on committees, head up projects, or present novel ideas to the
> leadership. The key is to figure out how to make a solution happen,
> and to offer to do the necessary work, instead of merely complaining
> about the problem.
>
> Arielle
>
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sun Jun  6 20:29:52 2010
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 13:29:52 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] national Association of Blind Students membership
	conference call: National Convention- Today!
Message-ID: <AANLkTikSx2NehgiaOWqqxo0gNtOrw2lXe4ctwyhPWWp2@mail.gmail.com>

Happy Summer Fellow Students!

  We have made it through yet another school year/semester and  now we
look ahead to the summer and National Convention!
 In preparation for this week-long amazing event,  the national
Association of  Blind Students membership committee is pleased to
present to you a convention conference call.
  On this call, we  will be talking about what generally goes on
during  convention including the ajenda for the student meeting and
other  must- visits and experiences as a part of  the action- packed
week that will be.
 So, bring your questions and advice to our final conference call
before we all make our way to Dallas Texas.

 Call Info:
 When: Sunday, June 6,
 Time 7p.m. EST
Phone number: 712.775.7100 passcode 257963

 Of course, the call will also be streamed and archived for your
listening pleasure should you be unable to  join the conversation.
 As always, thank you for your support, and we look forward to
speaking with you all on Sunday!
 The Nabs membership committee









-- 
Darian Smith
Skype: The_Blind_Truth
Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com
“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are
spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin


From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com  Sun Jun  6 20:36:33 2010
From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 15:36:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
In-Reply-To: <mailman.21.1275670803.20807.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
References: <mailman.21.1275670803.20807.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <00f201cb05b7$f3dde230$db99a690$@com>

Hi,

I am just reading this cooking thread, and will throw in a few thoughts. A
lot of good tips have been shared already, but here are a few others:

First, let me caution you that not all ovens and/or stoves have controls
which work in the same way. I have had appliances where clockwise got hotter
and where clockwise turned down the heat. Likewise with ovens. There is no
standard. Verify how the controls work, and mark or label them in a logical
way. As has been suggested, if your parents won't help you, have a friend do
it. While your parents certainly are well-intentioned they are limiting you
completely unnecessarily. For many blind people, cooking is second nature.
While I am no gourmet, I am certainly proficient in the kitchen, and
probably better than most males in their twenties.

One general tip is to approach tasks in the kitchen systematically. Whether
you are frosting a cake, breaking up ground beef or turkey, or mixing in a
seasoning packet, use a consistent method. Don't just toss a chunk of meet
in the pan and randomly stab at it with a spatula. While this will surely
work to a degree, it is far more efficient and effective to, for instance,
work your way around the outer edge of the meet, breaking it apart and
pushing the broken meet away from the large piece. This works especially if
the meet you are browning is frozen. There are infinite other ways, but have
an approach. As far as how to know when it is done, the feel is important,
but you can also smell when meat is cooked. Between the sound, feel and
smell, it is not too difficult to determine; and, if you get it wrong once
or twice, you know better for the next time.

Don't be afraid of gas stoves. They, in my opinion, are better than electric
ones. You can hear the gas click and the flame ignite on a gas stove. You
can also gauge the intensity of the flame by holding your hand above it or
listening to it.

For cooking chicken, fish or burgers, I prefer a Forman grill. In fact, I
just purchased a new one. Things taste better grilled (even if they are fake
grilled indoors on an electric grill). This said, I am no stranger to pan
frying, broiling and grilling an a gas grill. You can purchase tong-like
spatulas that allow you to grip a piece of meat and flip it over. I,
personally, just use a standard spatula. You can use your cooking utensil to
feel where things are. If you have two burgers in a frying pan, feel where
they are with the spatula, find the edge of one, slide the spatula under the
burger and lift it out of the pan. As was mentioned in another post, you can
hold onto the handle of the pan to increase stability and ensure that you
don't move the pan around. I often simply touch the top of the burger or
chicken breast with one hand while I slide the spatula underneath it. Keep
in mind, the face up side of the meet is not going to be that hot. I know
some people have a fair amount of uneasiness dealing with stovetop cooking,
but, in reality, you can even touch the pan without injuring yourself, as
long as you do so quickly. All of this applies equally to broiling and
grilling, except for the part about touching the pan. I wouldn't touch the
grill.

Using knives was not mentioned, but I know that knife use by blind folks
inspires paranoia among the general public as do few other things. So, in
case anybody is wondering, let me assuring you that chopping, slicing,
dicing and mincing are all very doable without sight. The knife is in one
hand, and you know where your other hand is, so don't cut it off. Ok, that
sounds a bit flippant, but, seriously, it isn't like you're going to hurt
yourself unless you are wielding the knife like a maniac, or, possibly, if
one has very poor spatial awareness, which can be a legitimate concern. When
slicing bread, cheese, tomatoes and the like, it can be difficult to make
nice even slices. For the most part, practice is what will help you there.
Two small tips: Hold the item you are slicing very steady and do not let it
move or shift positions and when cutting be cognizant of the angle of the
knife blade to the counter top. You want to keep the blade perpendicular to
the surface on which you are working. The good news is that unevenly sliced
sharp Wisconsin cheddar cheese is equally delicious to the evenly slice
variety. Unless you're preparing a party platter, don't sweat it too much.
You will get better in time. And, tomatoes suck anyway.

If you want to chop something, an onion for example, first cut it in half so
it has a flat surface upon which to rest. Then, place the tip of your knife
on the cutting board with the blade facing down and the object to be chopped
underneath it. I am right handed, so the knife is in my right hand. I use my
left hand to hold the onion steady and start with the knife at the right
side of the onion. Keep the knife tip on the cutting surface and repeatedly
bring  the blade down and raise it back up. Each time you make a cut, use
the knife to push what has been cut off to the side, in my case the right
side, while keeping the knife tip stationary. Each time you cut, pivot the
knife slightly toward your non-knife-holding hand. Repeat the process until
the entire onion, or whatever else, is chopped.

The bottom line is that a blind person can do anything in the kitchen that
anybody else can do. Fears of injury, while understandable on some level,
are ill-founded. As long as you think about what you are doing and exercise
a reasonable level of caution, you will not injure yourself. Things might be
difficult until you get used to them, but you will never be able to get used
to them unless you practice. Just go for it. Being able to cook is a vital
part of being able to take care of yourself as an independent adult.

Sorry this got so long. I never thought I would use the word "spatula" so
many times in the course of 10 minutes!

I hope that somebody finds something useful in this post. If nothing else,
take it as an advertisement for delicious Wisconsin cheese.

All the best,

Sean



From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Jun  6 22:53:38 2010
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 18:53:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
In-Reply-To: <00f201cb05b7$f3dde230$db99a690$@com>
References: <mailman.21.1275670803.20807.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>,
	<00f201cb05b7$f3dde230$db99a690$@com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W4441B1AE6A8CC8A209BA1EBAD40@phx.gbl>


Hmm… is that suppose to be some kind of subliminal message to buy some Wisconsin cheese curds at national convention provided that they are still selling them? Although I do agree that adding cheese, regardless of what kind it may be, has the tendency to make almost any kind of food taste better. 
 
But as for experimenting in the kitchen, my advice is that it never hurts to give it a try. I have always thought of cooking to be more of an art rather than a science, so if you somehow mess up and make a mistake, it just gives you an idea about what you might want to do or not do the next time you give it a try. 
 
And if your vegetables are not cut and chopped into the exact same shape and size, no one will probably notice but you. The fact that something is not cut perfectly only tells me that it must have been something home made which always seems to taste better than something that was bought at the store.
 
And if you somehow manage to hurt yourself while cooking, chances are that you are not the only person that it has happened to and you will most likely live through the experience. I remember hearing Rachel Ray say that she cut herself on one of her first cooking shows which only shows that it can happen to anyone. But it also shows that it does not always have to be a big deal when it does happen.
 
Anyways, happy cooking.
Elizabeth

 
> From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 15:36:33 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking questions
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am just reading this cooking thread, and will throw in a few thoughts. A
> lot of good tips have been shared already, but here are a few others:
> 
> First, let me caution you that not all ovens and/or stoves have controls
> which work in the same way. I have had appliances where clockwise got hotter
> and where clockwise turned down the heat. Likewise with ovens. There is no
> standard. Verify how the controls work, and mark or label them in a logical
> way. As has been suggested, if your parents won't help you, have a friend do
> it. While your parents certainly are well-intentioned they are limiting you
> completely unnecessarily. For many blind people, cooking is second nature.
> While I am no gourmet, I am certainly proficient in the kitchen, and
> probably better than most males in their twenties.
> 
> One general tip is to approach tasks in the kitchen systematically. Whether
> you are frosting a cake, breaking up ground beef or turkey, or mixing in a
> seasoning packet, use a consistent method. Don't just toss a chunk of meet
> in the pan and randomly stab at it with a spatula. While this will surely
> work to a degree, it is far more efficient and effective to, for instance,
> work your way around the outer edge of the meet, breaking it apart and
> pushing the broken meet away from the large piece. This works especially if
> the meet you are browning is frozen. There are infinite other ways, but have
> an approach. As far as how to know when it is done, the feel is important,
> but you can also smell when meat is cooked. Between the sound, feel and
> smell, it is not too difficult to determine; and, if you get it wrong once
> or twice, you know better for the next time.
> 
> Don't be afraid of gas stoves. They, in my opinion, are better than electric
> ones. You can hear the gas click and the flame ignite on a gas stove. You
> can also gauge the intensity of the flame by holding your hand above it or
> listening to it.
> 
> For cooking chicken, fish or burgers, I prefer a Forman grill. In fact, I
> just purchased a new one. Things taste better grilled (even if they are fake
> grilled indoors on an electric grill). This said, I am no stranger to pan
> frying, broiling and grilling an a gas grill. You can purchase tong-like
> spatulas that allow you to grip a piece of meat and flip it over. I,
> personally, just use a standard spatula. You can use your cooking utensil to
> feel where things are. If you have two burgers in a frying pan, feel where
> they are with the spatula, find the edge of one, slide the spatula under the
> burger and lift it out of the pan. As was mentioned in another post, you can
> hold onto the handle of the pan to increase stability and ensure that you
> don't move the pan around. I often simply touch the top of the burger or
> chicken breast with one hand while I slide the spatula underneath it. Keep
> in mind, the face up side of the meet is not going to be that hot. I know
> some people have a fair amount of uneasiness dealing with stovetop cooking,
> but, in reality, you can even touch the pan without injuring yourself, as
> long as you do so quickly. All of this applies equally to broiling and
> grilling, except for the part about touching the pan. I wouldn't touch the
> grill.
> 
> Using knives was not mentioned, but I know that knife use by blind folks
> inspires paranoia among the general public as do few other things. So, in
> case anybody is wondering, let me assuring you that chopping, slicing,
> dicing and mincing are all very doable without sight. The knife is in one
> hand, and you know where your other hand is, so don't cut it off. Ok, that
> sounds a bit flippant, but, seriously, it isn't like you're going to hurt
> yourself unless you are wielding the knife like a maniac, or, possibly, if
> one has very poor spatial awareness, which can be a legitimate concern. When
> slicing bread, cheese, tomatoes and the like, it can be difficult to make
> nice even slices. For the most part, practice is what will help you there.
> Two small tips: Hold the item you are slicing very steady and do not let it
> move or shift positions and when cutting be cognizant of the angle of the
> knife blade to the counter top. You want to keep the blade perpendicular to
> the surface on which you are working. The good news is that unevenly sliced
> sharp Wisconsin cheddar cheese is equally delicious to the evenly slice
> variety. Unless you're preparing a party platter, don't sweat it too much.
> You will get better in time. And, tomatoes suck anyway.
> 
> If you want to chop something, an onion for example, first cut it in half so
> it has a flat surface upon which to rest. Then, place the tip of your knife
> on the cutting board with the blade facing down and the object to be chopped
> underneath it. I am right handed, so the knife is in my right hand. I use my
> left hand to hold the onion steady and start with the knife at the right
> side of the onion. Keep the knife tip on the cutting surface and repeatedly
> bring the blade down and raise it back up. Each time you make a cut, use
> the knife to push what has been cut off to the side, in my case the right
> side, while keeping the knife tip stationary. Each time you cut, pivot the
> knife slightly toward your non-knife-holding hand. Repeat the process until
> the entire onion, or whatever else, is chopped.
> 
> The bottom line is that a blind person can do anything in the kitchen that
> anybody else can do. Fears of injury, while understandable on some level,
> are ill-founded. As long as you think about what you are doing and exercise
> a reasonable level of caution, you will not injure yourself. Things might be
> difficult until you get used to them, but you will never be able to get used
> to them unless you practice. Just go for it. Being able to cook is a vital
> part of being able to take care of yourself as an independent adult.
> 
> Sorry this got so long. I never thought I would use the word "spatula" so
> many times in the course of 10 minutes!
> 
> I hope that somebody finds something useful in this post. If nothing else,
> take it as an advertisement for delicious Wisconsin cheese.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Sean
> 
> 
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From hernandezlegorreta at gmail.com  Sun Jun  6 23:44:27 2010
From: hernandezlegorreta at gmail.com (Conchita Hernandez Legorreta)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 18:44:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Translators at Convention
Message-ID: <AANLkTimdmUeuIWEdM38fMJg3kAk2KuK6Gw2uELJxGrJg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,This is Conchita. This is a follow up to the NABS phone
conference. If you are a fluent Spanish speaker and are interested in
simultaneous interpretation during convention please send me an email
to
hernandezlegorreta at gmail.comThere was an idea about people who speak
other languages. If you are interested please feel free to contact me.
Please keep in mind that this is a very rigorous interpretation
because it happens during general session. Thank you and see you all
at convention!

María De La Concepción Hernández LegorretaConchitaGreat spirits have
always encountered violent opposition from mediocre mindsAlbert
Einstein


From jfetter at nd.edu  Sun Jun  6 23:59:03 2010
From: jfetter at nd.edu (James Fetter)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 19:59:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Academics Meeting
Message-ID: <4C0C3647.1000000@nd.edu>

Dear All,
I am planning to hold the meeting of blind academics and those 
interested in academic careers as a special interest group within the 
meeting of the National Organization of Blind Educators (NOBE), which is 
on Monday the 5th from 1:00-4:30 PM. The meeting is structured to allow 
for smaller break-out sessions based on content area and grade level, 
and some of the general discussion is useful for those planning to teach 
at the college level as well. Depending on attendance and interest, we 
can continue the conversation informally after the meeting, which will 
give those who cannot attend the NOBE meeting a chance to join in. If 
you are interested in this group and this time doesn't work for you, 
please get in touch with me, so that I can arrange to meet with you 
separately at Convention and put you on the listserve of those who are 
interested, which I will set up after the convention.
All Best,
James

-- 
James Fetter
University of Notre Dame
Department of Political Science
217 O'Shaughnessy
Notre Dame, IN 46556
574-323-4891
jfetter at nd.edu



From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Mon Jun  7 00:20:40 2010
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 20:20:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Translator for convention...
Message-ID: <EFBF6FFD-1B3E-4299-AE73-95281DDF8B9F@gmail.com>

Hello all,
Someone said in the conference call that there is a need for spanish translators. I'm from Spain, and I'll be at the national convention. There is some events I must attend, but other than that I'll be free most of the time and can help with translation. I can help with french speaking people too. Please contact me off list if there's anything I can do.
Thanks!

Ignasi

From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  7 04:11:32 2010
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 00:11:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Academics Meeting
In-Reply-To: <4C0C3647.1000000@nd.edu>
References: <4C0C3647.1000000@nd.edu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTillS1vlL2a1vzf2DXVSAtMkie_v5DyPwuRqVStn@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, James,
  I'm a graduate student in social psychology at Yale University, and
I'm interested in your blind academics group as I plan to teach at the
college level when I graduate. I will not be able to attend Convention
this year but would appreciate if you can add me to the mailing list
of this group so that I can be part of any informal discussions you
may have after the meeting. Thanks so much for organizing this!
   Katie Wang

On 6/6/10, James Fetter <jfetter at nd.edu> wrote:
> Dear All,
> I am planning to hold the meeting of blind academics and those
> interested in academic careers as a special interest group within the
> meeting of the National Organization of Blind Educators (NOBE), which is
> on Monday the 5th from 1:00-4:30 PM. The meeting is structured to allow
> for smaller break-out sessions based on content area and grade level,
> and some of the general discussion is useful for those planning to teach
> at the college level as well. Depending on attendance and interest, we
> can continue the conversation informally after the meeting, which will
> give those who cannot attend the NOBE meeting a chance to join in. If
> you are interested in this group and this time doesn't work for you,
> please get in touch with me, so that I can arrange to meet with you
> separately at Convention and put you on the listserve of those who are
> interested, which I will set up after the convention.
> All Best,
> James
>
> --
> James Fetter
> University of Notre Dame
> Department of Political Science
> 217 O'Shaughnessy
> Notre Dame, IN 46556
> 574-323-4891
> jfetter at nd.edu
>
>
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From harryhogue at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  7 04:16:28 2010
From: harryhogue at yahoo.com (Harry Hogue)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 23:16:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Translator for convention...
In-Reply-To: <EFBF6FFD-1B3E-4299-AE73-95281DDF8B9F@gmail.com>
References: <EFBF6FFD-1B3E-4299-AE73-95281DDF8B9F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000c01cb05f8$34315e30$9c941a90$@com>

Hello everyone,
I will be coming with BLIND, Inc. from Minnesota, and may have
responsibilities supervising some students during convention, but if there
is a need for Spanish translation, I would also like to put out there that I
speak Spanish and am willing to help translate where needed.  Contact me if
further information is required.

Sincerely,

Harry Hogue

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Ignasi Cambra
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 7:21 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Translator for convention...

Hello all,
Someone said in the conference call that there is a need for spanish
translators. I'm from Spain, and I'll be at the national convention. There
is some events I must attend, but other than that I'll be free most of the
time and can help with translation. I can help with french speaking people
too. Please contact me off list if there's anything I can do.
Thanks!

Ignasi
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From harryhogue at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  7 04:21:01 2010
From: harryhogue at yahoo.com (Harry Hogue)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 23:21:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Translators at Convention
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimdmUeuIWEdM38fMJg3kAk2KuK6Gw2uELJxGrJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimdmUeuIWEdM38fMJg3kAk2KuK6Gw2uELJxGrJg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01cb05f8$d707c4f0$85174ed0$@com>

Hello, I wish to withdraw my offer to help translate at convention, as I do
not feel competent to to do simultaneous interpretation; consecutive would
be better for me.

Sorry and thank you.

Harry

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Conchita Hernandez Legorreta
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 6:44 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Translators at Convention

Hello,This is Conchita. This is a follow up to the NABS phone
conference. If you are a fluent Spanish speaker and are interested in
simultaneous interpretation during convention please send me an email
to
hernandezlegorreta at gmail.comThere was an idea about people who speak
other languages. If you are interested please feel free to contact me.
Please keep in mind that this is a very rigorous interpretation
because it happens during general session. Thank you and see you all
at convention!

María De La Concepción Hernández LegorretaConchitaGreat spirits have
always encountered violent opposition from mediocre mindsAlbert
Einstein

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From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun  7 04:24:17 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:24:17 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Academics Meeting
References: <4C0C3647.1000000@nd.edu>
	<AANLkTillS1vlL2a1vzf2DXVSAtMkie_v5DyPwuRqVStn@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008e01cb05f9$4b3fa950$6601a8c0@server>

Hello Katie,
Congratulations on your academic success.  Yale has a great department in 
social psychology.
Warmest regards,
Dennis Clark

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Katie Wang" <bunnykatie6 at gmail.com>
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> Hi, James,
>  I'm a graduate student in social psychology at Yale University, and
> I'm interested in your blind academics group as I plan to teach at the
> college level when I graduate. I will not be able to attend Convention
> this year but would appreciate if you can add me to the mailing list
> of this group so that I can be part of any informal discussions you
> may have after the meeting. Thanks so much for organizing this!
>   Katie Wang
>
> On 6/6/10, James Fetter <jfetter at nd.edu> wrote:
>> Dear All,
>> I am planning to hold the meeting of blind academics and those
>> interested in academic careers as a special interest group within the
>> meeting of the National Organization of Blind Educators (NOBE), which is
>> on Monday the 5th from 1:00-4:30 PM. The meeting is structured to allow
>> for smaller break-out sessions based on content area and grade level,
>> and some of the general discussion is useful for those planning to teach
>> at the college level as well. Depending on attendance and interest, we
>> can continue the conversation informally after the meeting, which will
>> give those who cannot attend the NOBE meeting a chance to join in. If
>> you are interested in this group and this time doesn't work for you,
>> please get in touch with me, so that I can arrange to meet with you
>> separately at Convention and put you on the listserve of those who are
>> interested, which I will set up after the convention.
>> All Best,
>> James
>>
>> --
>> James Fetter
>> University of Notre Dame
>> Department of Political Science
>> 217 O'Shaughnessy
>> Notre Dame, IN 46556
>> 574-323-4891
>> jfetter at nd.edu
>>
>>
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From trillian551 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  7 05:08:10 2010
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 01:08:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
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Hello All!
Cooking is fun and infinitely healthier than frozen dinners or take
out, which will never taste the same. Part of it is that once you have
made your first fried egg, even if it looks like someone not so much
fried it as tried to kill it, you made it, and so you are damn well
sure to enjoy it. I belive there are some sort of cutting instruments
that help cut tomatoes and such straighter. But it is definitely a
matter of practice, and  remember you can always buy cherry tomatoes!
If it's your first time doing something, pay attention, and time
things. If your steak is a litter rarer than you wanted it, see how
long you cooked it for and then just add a few minutes. With meats,
use a moderate temp, since a very high  temp on the stove will ofter
burn the outside while letting the inside still raw. Ok, it's late so
I can't htink of anyhting else, but get a recipe book and an apron,
and go at it!
If no one else eats it there's more for you. Lol.
Mary

On 6/6/10, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hmm… is that suppose to be some kind of subliminal message to buy some
> Wisconsin cheese curds at national convention provided that they are still
> selling them? Although I do agree that adding cheese, regardless of what
> kind it may be, has the tendency to make almost any kind of food taste
> better.
>
> But as for experimenting in the kitchen, my advice is that it never hurts to
> give it a try. I have always thought of cooking to be more of an art rather
> than a science, so if you somehow mess up and make a mistake, it just gives
> you an idea about what you might want to do or not do the next time you give
> it a try.
>
> And if your vegetables are not cut and chopped into the exact same shape and
> size, no one will probably notice but you. The fact that something is not
> cut perfectly only tells me that it must have been something home made which
> always seems to taste better than something that was bought at the store.
>
> And if you somehow manage to hurt yourself while cooking, chances are that
> you are not the only person that it has happened to and you will most likely
> live through the experience. I remember hearing Rachel Ray say that she cut
> herself on one of her first cooking shows which only shows that it can
> happen to anyone. But it also shows that it does not always have to be a big
> deal when it does happen.
>
> Anyways, happy cooking.
> Elizabeth
>
>
>> From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 15:36:33 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking questions
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am just reading this cooking thread, and will throw in a few thoughts. A
>> lot of good tips have been shared already, but here are a few others:
>>
>> First, let me caution you that not all ovens and/or stoves have controls
>> which work in the same way. I have had appliances where clockwise got
>> hotter
>> and where clockwise turned down the heat. Likewise with ovens. There is no
>> standard. Verify how the controls work, and mark or label them in a
>> logical
>> way. As has been suggested, if your parents won't help you, have a friend
>> do
>> it. While your parents certainly are well-intentioned they are limiting
>> you
>> completely unnecessarily. For many blind people, cooking is second nature.
>> While I am no gourmet, I am certainly proficient in the kitchen, and
>> probably better than most males in their twenties.
>>
>> One general tip is to approach tasks in the kitchen systematically.
>> Whether
>> you are frosting a cake, breaking up ground beef or turkey, or mixing in a
>> seasoning packet, use a consistent method. Don't just toss a chunk of meet
>> in the pan and randomly stab at it with a spatula. While this will surely
>> work to a degree, it is far more efficient and effective to, for instance,
>> work your way around the outer edge of the meet, breaking it apart and
>> pushing the broken meet away from the large piece. This works especially
>> if
>> the meet you are browning is frozen. There are infinite other ways, but
>> have
>> an approach. As far as how to know when it is done, the feel is important,
>> but you can also smell when meat is cooked. Between the sound, feel and
>> smell, it is not too difficult to determine; and, if you get it wrong once
>> or twice, you know better for the next time.
>>
>> Don't be afraid of gas stoves. They, in my opinion, are better than
>> electric
>> ones. You can hear the gas click and the flame ignite on a gas stove. You
>> can also gauge the intensity of the flame by holding your hand above it or
>> listening to it.
>>
>> For cooking chicken, fish or burgers, I prefer a Forman grill. In fact, I
>> just purchased a new one. Things taste better grilled (even if they are
>> fake
>> grilled indoors on an electric grill). This said, I am no stranger to pan
>> frying, broiling and grilling an a gas grill. You can purchase tong-like
>> spatulas that allow you to grip a piece of meat and flip it over. I,
>> personally, just use a standard spatula. You can use your cooking utensil
>> to
>> feel where things are. If you have two burgers in a frying pan, feel where
>> they are with the spatula, find the edge of one, slide the spatula under
>> the
>> burger and lift it out of the pan. As was mentioned in another post, you
>> can
>> hold onto the handle of the pan to increase stability and ensure that you
>> don't move the pan around. I often simply touch the top of the burger or
>> chicken breast with one hand while I slide the spatula underneath it. Keep
>> in mind, the face up side of the meet is not going to be that hot. I know
>> some people have a fair amount of uneasiness dealing with stovetop
>> cooking,
>> but, in reality, you can even touch the pan without injuring yourself, as
>> long as you do so quickly. All of this applies equally to broiling and
>> grilling, except for the part about touching the pan. I wouldn't touch the
>> grill.
>>
>> Using knives was not mentioned, but I know that knife use by blind folks
>> inspires paranoia among the general public as do few other things. So, in
>> case anybody is wondering, let me assuring you that chopping, slicing,
>> dicing and mincing are all very doable without sight. The knife is in one
>> hand, and you know where your other hand is, so don't cut it off. Ok, that
>> sounds a bit flippant, but, seriously, it isn't like you're going to hurt
>> yourself unless you are wielding the knife like a maniac, or, possibly, if
>> one has very poor spatial awareness, which can be a legitimate concern.
>> When
>> slicing bread, cheese, tomatoes and the like, it can be difficult to make
>> nice even slices. For the most part, practice is what will help you there.
>> Two small tips: Hold the item you are slicing very steady and do not let
>> it
>> move or shift positions and when cutting be cognizant of the angle of the
>> knife blade to the counter top. You want to keep the blade perpendicular
>> to
>> the surface on which you are working. The good news is that unevenly
>> sliced
>> sharp Wisconsin cheddar cheese is equally delicious to the evenly slice
>> variety. Unless you're preparing a party platter, don't sweat it too much.
>> You will get better in time. And, tomatoes suck anyway.
>>
>> If you want to chop something, an onion for example, first cut it in half
>> so
>> it has a flat surface upon which to rest. Then, place the tip of your
>> knife
>> on the cutting board with the blade facing down and the object to be
>> chopped
>> underneath it. I am right handed, so the knife is in my right hand. I use
>> my
>> left hand to hold the onion steady and start with the knife at the right
>> side of the onion. Keep the knife tip on the cutting surface and
>> repeatedly
>> bring the blade down and raise it back up. Each time you make a cut, use
>> the knife to push what has been cut off to the side, in my case the right
>> side, while keeping the knife tip stationary. Each time you cut, pivot the
>> knife slightly toward your non-knife-holding hand. Repeat the process
>> until
>> the entire onion, or whatever else, is chopped.
>>
>> The bottom line is that a blind person can do anything in the kitchen that
>> anybody else can do. Fears of injury, while understandable on some level,
>> are ill-founded. As long as you think about what you are doing and
>> exercise
>> a reasonable level of caution, you will not injure yourself. Things might
>> be
>> difficult until you get used to them, but you will never be able to get
>> used
>> to them unless you practice. Just go for it. Being able to cook is a vital
>> part of being able to take care of yourself as an independent adult.
>>
>> Sorry this got so long. I never thought I would use the word "spatula" so
>> many times in the course of 10 minutes!
>>
>> I hope that somebody finds something useful in this post. If nothing else,
>> take it as an advertisement for delicious Wisconsin cheese.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
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From alexandera.castillo at gmail.com  Mon Jun  7 14:38:13 2010
From: alexandera.castillo at gmail.com (Alexander Castillo)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:38:13 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Late request: Room for convention
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Hi all, I realize this is a late request, however I am in search of a
room for national convention. Here is a bit about myself.

My name is Alex, I'm a graduating senior with Psych and PolySci
majors, a minor in Rel if that's interesting to you. I’m the president
of the NY state student division, a non-conventional student,
outgoing, and probably not wanting to stay in the room for most of the
time I'll be in Dallas.

I absolutely respect privacy; however, I'm not opposed to more than
one roommate, or late entries and exits out of the room. Email me off
list if you are interested in sharing a room at:

AlexanderA.Castillo at gmail.com

Thanks for reading,
Alex


From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun  7 15:55:02 2010
From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Hai Nguyen)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:55:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] mac lending needed
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Good morning Jorge, 
I know that some Apple stores and or Apple resellers will allow individuals to rent Macs. This is generally for a week at a time. Is this individual affiliated with a university? If so, they may consider checking out a Mac lab to play with VoiceOver.
hth
Hai

On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:55 PM, Jorge Paez wrote:

> Hi guys:
> I have a friend who would want to land a Mac for a few weeks, figure out if he likes it first, and I heard a post about it earlier on this list.
> Can anyone mention a place likely to have a branch in Huston Texas?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Jorge
> 
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Mon Jun  7 16:41:15 2010
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 12:41:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] mac lending needed
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Hey,
An other option is to just buy a mac, and return it if you don't like it. It's not the best way, but that's why apple has a return policy anyway. You can order it from the Apple Store, and I can't remember if they give you 14 or 30 days to return it. That way, if you like the Mac you are trying, you can just keep it...

IC
On Jun 7, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Hai Nguyen wrote:

> Good morning Jorge, 
> I know that some Apple stores and or Apple resellers will allow individuals to rent Macs. This is generally for a week at a time. Is this individual affiliated with a university? If so, they may consider checking out a Mac lab to play with VoiceOver.
> hth
> Hai
> 
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:55 PM, Jorge Paez wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys:
>> I have a friend who would want to land a Mac for a few weeks, figure out if he likes it first, and I heard a post about it earlier on this list.
>> Can anyone mention a place likely to have a branch in Huston Texas?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Jorge
>> 
>> 
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From trillian551 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  7 17:50:49 2010
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 13:50:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Blindmath] Blind Ambition: Tim Cordes one of the few
	sightless doctors in the country
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From: "Lankford, Corinne" <corinne.lankford at vanderbilt.edu>
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:49:09 -0500
Subject: [Blindmath] Blind Ambition: Tim Cordes one of the few
sightless doctors in the country
To:

Great inspiring story!
http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/health_med_fit/article_2699c69d-668f-5eea-9410-6f7f29b0befa.html

Blind ambition: Tim Cordes one of the few sightless doctors in the country

TODD FINKELMEYER | The Capital Times | tfinkelmeyer at madison.com |
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It's not uncommon for co-workers to stumble upon Tim Cordes sitting in the dark.

"I couldn't function in the dark, but he 'sees,'" says Dr. Nancy
Barklage, who recalls entering a room prior to a UW Health staff
meeting, turning on the lights and finding Cordes quietly working on
his laptop while waiting for others to arrive. "I've experienced this
a number of times now and it still kind of puts you into his reality."

Cordes is blind.

As an infant, he was diagnosed with Leber's disease, a rare
degenerative condition of the retina that gradually steals one's
sight. Cordes still remembers one of the first times he heard someone
trying to explain how his impending blindness would affect his life.
"Your son can be president of the United States, but he's never going
to fly a plane or drive a car," an ophthalmologist explained to his
parents when Cordes was about 7.

"And as a young boy who liked planes and cars, that was one of my
first indications that things wouldn't necessarily go smoothly," says
Cordes. "That made me sad."

He never did fly a plane or drive a car. In fact, when most of his
friends in Cedar Falls, Iowa, were learning to drive, a 16-year-old
Cordes got his first guide dog, a German shepherd named Electra.

But Cordes didn't shrink from life. He's now a 34-year-old
trailblazing physician who is wrapping up the third year of a
four-year residency program with UW-Madison's department of
psychiatry.

"He has overcome challenges that most of us have just never been faced
with," says Barklage, an associate professor of psychiatry who has
supervised Cordes' work at UW Health's Psychiatric Institute and
Clinic the past three years.

Cordes has been reticent to share his story, not wanting to become a
poster boy for overcoming visual disabilities. But he's slowly
becoming more at ease telling his inspirational tale. Earlier this
spring, the husband and father of two young boys wowed 450 members of
the Madison Civics Club with a speech at Monona Terrace titled, "How I
See Possibilities." In July, he'll give a similar talk in Dallas at
the National Federation of the Blind's annual convention. And he
contributed a chapter for a book to be published later this summer by
the Association of American Medical Colleges that is designed to guide
medical schools in accommodating students with disabilities. Cordes'
chapter deals with the use of service animals.

"Thirteen years ago, I was knocking on a lot of closed doors," Cordes
says of his struggles to have medical schools seriously consider him
as a candidate for admittance. "So the fact a book is coming out
describing the issues people with disabilities face and ways to
accommodate them, I think is tremendous progress."

Cordes was valedictorian of his class at the University of Notre Dame
in 1998, posting a 3.99 GPA while earning an undergraduate degree in
biochemistry and conducting research on antibiotics. He then was
accepted into the UW School of Medicine and Public Health's medical
scientist training program, completing the notoriously challenging
sequence that requires a student to finish both medical school and a
Ph.D.-level research program.

Over the years, Cordes also earned black belts in jujitsu and tae kwon
do, carried the Olympic torch during its cross-country journey to the
Salt Lake City Games in 2002, and developed computer software that
uses a number of musical instruments, varying tones and left-right
speakers to allow those with vision problems to conceptualize and
study protein structures.

Despite these made-for-the-big-screen qualities to his life, Cordes
remains leery of being put on a pedestal: "I look forward to a world
where people with disabilities do what they can and what they want,
and it's not exciting or it's not different."

Dr. Brad Schwartz still remembers the paperwork Cordes forwarded to
the UW Medical School when applying to the medical scientist training
program.

While most attempting to head down this path are high achievers,
Schwartz says Cordes stood out from the pack due to his Medical
College Admission Test scores, 3.99 GPA in a demanding major and his
interesting research on antibiotics. It was a reference letter from a
Notre Dame researcher, however, that floored Schwartz, who was
director of the program in the spring of 1998.

"It's just this incredible, glowing letter," says Schwartz, now the
dean of the University of Illinois-Urbana's College of Medicine. "And
then you get to the last line, and it says, 'This is all the more
remarkable because Tim is blind.' We're all thinking, 'Oh my God!'"

Schwartz says his admissions review committee agreed Cordes was a
"one-in-a-million" candidate and assumed "every program in the country
would be fighting to get him because he was so remarkable."

But that wasn't the case. In fact, Cordes applied to eight schools,
but no one else showed interest. During one med school exit interview,
doctors and researchers at a rival Big Ten Conference institution made
it clear to Cordes, who has only a limited amount of light perception,
that there was no way a blind student could complete the school's
required coursework and rotations to earn a medical degree.

Cordes doesn't appear bitter about these rejections, but his mother,
Therese Cordes, acknowledges it was a difficult time for her son. "To
have someone tell Tim he's not good enough, despite all he
accomplished, was very, very tough on him," she says.

Even at UW-Madison, those close to the situation say some top medical
school administrators were adamantly opposed to admitting Cordes.
Concerns centered on two factors: the cost to make all the necessary
accommodations for a blind student; and the fear that the Association
of American Medical Colleges might frown on a school admitting a
student who couldn't see.

In the end, Schwartz stood his ground against the naysayers and Cordes
was ultimately one of 143 students earning a slot in med school out of
2,300 who applied. Although no official records are kept and there are
various scales to measure the extent of vision loss, published reports
in 1998 indicated Cordes was only the second blind person ever
admitted to a U.S. medical school. The first was David Hartman, a 1976
Temple grad and psychiatrist in Virginia whom Cordes considers a role
model.

Some members of the Medical School were guarded about Cordes' chances
of success at first, says Schwartz. "But I can tell you, each year
that he went along he won over more and more people," he says. In the
years to come, Cordes would learn the lessons and complete the tasks
asked of every other doctor-in-training.

In the classroom, he used books on tape and in Braille to learn the
fundamentals. He also relied heavily on a computer that could read
downloaded texts and e-mails at a blistering 500 words per minute -
something Cordes can easily understand but would sound like gibberish
to someone accustomed to normal-paced speech. The university also
provided him with a machine - "It looks a little like an Easy-Bake
oven," says Cordes - that makes raised-line drawings so he could
interpret images using his sense of touch.

In the lab, he helped dissect a human cadaver and used his fingers to
identify the various nerves, muscles and organs. "I was the guy who
reached into the chest and pulled out the lungs," says Cordes. When it
came to hospital rotations, he helped deliver babies (earning Student
of the Year honors in the obstetrics and gynecology rotation),
observed surgery - "I felt blood flowing through an aorta" - and
intubated patients during an anesthesiology rotation.

The school also hired "visual describers" to tag along with Cordes and
his seeing-eye dog to help Cordes read paper charts or act as his eyes
during a physical exam. In 2004, he earned the title of medical
doctor.

His Ph.D. work centered on biomolecular chemistry and the makeup of
proteins, a field that relies heavily on colorful, computer-generated
models of complex molecular structures. Out of necessity, Cordes wrote
a computer program that replicates the 3-D images using a range of
audio tones and surround-sound speakers, allowing him to "visualize"
the proteins in his head. In 2007 he earned his Ph.D.

Although Cordes isn't one to puff out his chest and say "I told you
so," he is proud of the fact he never allowed others to squash his
dreams. "Choosing to ignore what other people say, when they say it
can't be done, is a powerful tool," says Cordes.

When Cordes started his medical school journey more than a decade ago,
he had no desire to work directly with patients. Research was his
passion, and the medical scientist training program is designed to
develop people who can bridge the gap between basic research and
clinical work.

"I think it was just intellectual curiosity," Cordes said of the
research-first focus.

But while working his way through the various rotations during his
third year of medical school, Cordes started to zero in on a specialty
and re-think his career options. He knew he couldn't be a radiologist
but thought any other area was up for grabs. A four-week psychiatry
rotation at the William S. Middleton Memorial Veterans Hospital stood
out.

"I was lucky and had a really great psychiatrist running the ward I
was on," Cordes says of Dr. Tony Braus. "Some of the patients we saw
there really got better in a relatively short time, and we could see
some improvements in people."

While he enjoyed interacting with the patients, Cordes also saw the
potential to conduct groundbreaking research in the study and
treatment of mental disorders. "There is just a lot we don't know," he
says. "In other places of medicine, some of the more fundamental
questions have been asked and answered, but in psychiatry we are just
starting to ask them."

So after earning his M.D. and Ph.D., Cordes in 2007 entered a
four-year, psychiatry research track residency program, which allows
him to spend time working with patients and conducting research.
Although he notes there has been no single "ah-ha" moment, Cordes says
it's becoming clear his desire to work as a clinician and teacher of
future doctors is stronger than his drive to focus solely on research.

Cordes' typical week currently consists of two-and-a-half days at the
Veterans Hospital, where he helps supervise the medical interns in an
inpatient psychiatry unit, and one full day of outpatient care at a UW
Health clinic in University Research Park, where he oversees more than
100 patients. He also spends a half-day attending lectures and gets
one full day for research. His research mainly consists of mining data
and searching for interesting patterns using the Midlife Development
in the United States
survey<http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/ICPSR/series/00203>, which
examines the lives of people ages 30 to 70 in such areas as physical
health, psychological well-being and factors that might lead to mental
illness.

At the Veterans Hospital, he also worked on a clinical trial
systematically rating symptoms in patients with post-traumatic stress
disorder.

While he has a proven track record as a researcher, Cordes is also
earning kudos as a clinician.

"In psychiatry, part of what we do is getting to know patients,
establishing a rapport and trying to understand what's going on with
them so we can help them out," says Art Walaszek, the residency
training director for UW-Madison's department of psychiatry. "And Tim
just has an incredible, natural ability to put people at ease and
communicate and listen to them. I don't know exactly how he does it,
but he just has this awareness of what's going on with the patient."

Body language and expressions often convey information to therapists,
but Cordes is able to pick up on these cues despite his sight
limitations. He says he's "gotten good at listening to people - not
just what they're saying but hearing how their body moves or what
direction they're talking in."

Colleagues say they can't recall an instance in which a patient did
not want to be seen by Cordes because he is blind. In fact, says
Braus, Cordes' disability seemingly allows him to more easily connect
with patients.

"It's almost like Tim has more credibility with some patients," says
Braus, who today works at the VA's outpatient clinic. "Tim knows what
it means to recover from something or to be able to compensate or
overcome a problem. People at some level seem to relate to that."

It's not easy keeping pace with Cordes - even if you can see.

With sprinkles just starting to fall one dreary spring morning, Cordes
and Vance - his loyal guide dog for the past nine years - walk briskly
from the bus stop to his office.

The ride from near his home on Madison's East Side to UW Health's
Psychiatric Institute and Clinic, which is across town in University
Research Park, takes about 40 minutes - not bad considering Cordes has
to transfer buses on the UW-Madison campus. The jaunt from the final
stop to the clinic takes about five minutes at a quick pace. Somehow,
Cordes narrowly misses several potholes on the driveway leading to his
office. Those who have watched Cordes for years insist he has some
sort of internal radar.

"He has this like, Zen, where he can walk through the living room and
not step on all my son's trains," says his wife, Blue-leaf, a native
of India and a 1994 Madison East grad who met Cordes while
interviewing for the M.D.-Ph.D. program, which she also completed. "I
don't know how he does it without falling and hurting himself."

Before long, Cordes is heading up a set of stairs leading to a back
entrance of the clinic. He scans his security badge to gain entry to
the facility; it's just past 7 a.m.

Using his sharp memory and displaying complete trust in Vance, Cordes
quickly moves down a hall to his office, drops off his jacket and
backpack, and heads back down a hallway to separate locked rooms that
house medical records and the mail. He intuitively slides his hand
over the keypad security system, and quickly taps out the code.
Inside, Braille labels allow him to promptly grab the correct patient
records and mail.

Back in his office, he sets the papers neatly on his desk before
flipping open his laptop and scanning through e-mails using
screen-reading software that ticks off the messages in quick order.
Like clockwork, Jeanne Harris, one of Cordes' visual describers,
arrives in the office at 7:10 a.m. to read over any faxed-in requests
for prescription refills or hand-written notes, charts or surveys
Cordes can't read himself. (For many printed materials, he can take a
picture of a document with his smart phone, and a program will read it
to him.)

Ten minutes later, the paperwork is cleared, Vance is resting on the
floor in the office, and Cordes is preparing for a day of
numbers-crunching research on his computer.

It's easy to be impressed by how efficiently Cordes operates, but he
wishes others would view it as ordinary. "Just like you, I have a job
to do and I figured out how to do it," he explains. "To me, it's
gratifying how profoundly routine this all seems at times."

Even those closest to Cordes - the ones who have never doubted his
potential - confess it's difficult to view this all as merely routine.

Therese Cordes still has vivid memories from three decades ago when
she put a 2-year-old Tim in the car and drove him to meet with the
University of Iowa's highly regarded pediatric ophthalmologists. The
experts there gave her little hope, rattling off a list of things her
only son would never be able to do.

"I cried all the way home," says Therese, "and then decided to forget
everything they told me."

Tim Cordes credits his mother for being a rock of emotional support
over the years, while his father, an engineer, was pragmatically
supportive - the problem-solver and the one who helped Tim get up to
speed with many of the technological gizmos he relies on.

It also didn't hurt that Cordes was being pushed by two older,
successful sisters, both of whom were valedictorians of their high
school class (Tim finished as runner-up during his senior year) before
also moving on to Notre Dame.

Earlier this spring, Therese Cordes was in tears again after her son
got a standing ovation following his riveting speech to the Madison
Civics Club. "He's inspirational," said the proud mother.

What, exactly, the future holds for Cordes isn't clear. After he
completes the four-year residency program in July of 2011, he's
considering additional training so he can help people with drug
addiction problems. Another option is to land a position working with
military veterans suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder and
severe brain injuries, work Cordes enjoys and finds rewarding.

No matter what direction Cordes ultimately decides to push his career,
he has no intention of becoming part of what he calls "today's
risk-averse society."

"I went to a playground with my son and I found out what passes for a
teeter-totter these days," he explained during his civics club speech.
"It's a U-shaped, spring-loaded contraption that assures nobody gets
too high off the ground or nobody comes down too hard."

Cordes adds proudly: "I learned to swing on monkey bars - which I
could not see well - over asphalt. I learned that if you fall it
hurts, so you try not to fall. But it's still worth swinging."


Corinne Lankford
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Mon Jun  7 20:26:11 2010
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 13:26:11 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Thank you from the membership committee!
Message-ID: <AANLkTilag8eWuLJrt6su1xKZlRkAkDUjfo3IjLMCeISv@mail.gmail.com>

On behalf of the membership committee of the National Association of
Blind Students (Liz Botner,  Candice Chapman, Antonio Guimaraes,
nabslink audio coordanator David Dumphy and co-Chair Janice Jeang)
 I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone for Joining
not only last night’s call, but  taking part in each of our calls over
the  past several months.  Your support, interest and ideas have been
much appreciated and  will always be most welcome as  Nabs moves
forward with creating  innovative  ways to engage the student
membership in  discussions and activities that  they feel are worthy
ventures.

 As always,  should you have suggestions for  future conference calls,
ideas on how to improve what we already do, have  new ideas for
projects, or just want to get involved in any way with the membership
committee;  please feel free to get in touch withus via the  below
contact information.
Janice Jeang Co- Chair: Janice.jeang at gmail.com

Darian Smith Co Chair: Dsmithnfb at gmail.com

General Membership committee inbox: nabs.membership at gmail.com



Want to  Stay updated on what nabs is doing?
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participation.
 See you in Dallas!



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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Mon Jun  7 21:51:49 2010
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 14:51:49 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Blindmath] Blind Ambition: Tim Cordes one of the
	fewsightless doctors in the country
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I like the part about the guide dog.  That's kind of my joke:
Sighted people can drive at 16, blind people can get a guide dog at 16.

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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:49:09 -0500
Subject: [Blindmath] Blind Ambition: Tim Cordes one of the few
sightless doctors in the country
To:

Great inspiring story!
http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/health_med_fit/article_2699c69d-668f-5eea-9410-6f7f29b0befa.html

Blind ambition: Tim Cordes one of the few sightless doctors in the country

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It's not uncommon for co-workers to stumble upon Tim Cordes sitting in the 
dark.

"I couldn't function in the dark, but he 'sees,'" says Dr. Nancy
Barklage, who recalls entering a room prior to a UW Health staff
meeting, turning on the lights and finding Cordes quietly working on
his laptop while waiting for others to arrive. "I've experienced this
a number of times now and it still kind of puts you into his reality."

Cordes is blind.

As an infant, he was diagnosed with Leber's disease, a rare
degenerative condition of the retina that gradually steals one's
sight. Cordes still remembers one of the first times he heard someone
trying to explain how his impending blindness would affect his life.
"Your son can be president of the United States, but he's never going
to fly a plane or drive a car," an ophthalmologist explained to his
parents when Cordes was about 7.

"And as a young boy who liked planes and cars, that was one of my
first indications that things wouldn't necessarily go smoothly," says
Cordes. "That made me sad."

He never did fly a plane or drive a car. In fact, when most of his
friends in Cedar Falls, Iowa, were learning to drive, a 16-year-old
Cordes got his first guide dog, a German shepherd named Electra.

But Cordes didn't shrink from life. He's now a 34-year-old
trailblazing physician who is wrapping up the third year of a
four-year residency program with UW-Madison's department of
psychiatry.

"He has overcome challenges that most of us have just never been faced
with," says Barklage, an associate professor of psychiatry who has
supervised Cordes' work at UW Health's Psychiatric Institute and
Clinic the past three years.

Cordes has been reticent to share his story, not wanting to become a
poster boy for overcoming visual disabilities. But he's slowly
becoming more at ease telling his inspirational tale. Earlier this
spring, the husband and father of two young boys wowed 450 members of
the Madison Civics Club with a speech at Monona Terrace titled, "How I
See Possibilities." In July, he'll give a similar talk in Dallas at
the National Federation of the Blind's annual convention. And he
contributed a chapter for a book to be published later this summer by
the Association of American Medical Colleges that is designed to guide
medical schools in accommodating students with disabilities. Cordes'
chapter deals with the use of service animals.

"Thirteen years ago, I was knocking on a lot of closed doors," Cordes
says of his struggles to have medical schools seriously consider him
as a candidate for admittance. "So the fact a book is coming out
describing the issues people with disabilities face and ways to
accommodate them, I think is tremendous progress."

Cordes was valedictorian of his class at the University of Notre Dame
in 1998, posting a 3.99 GPA while earning an undergraduate degree in
biochemistry and conducting research on antibiotics. He then was
accepted into the UW School of Medicine and Public Health's medical
scientist training program, completing the notoriously challenging
sequence that requires a student to finish both medical school and a
Ph.D.-level research program.

Over the years, Cordes also earned black belts in jujitsu and tae kwon
do, carried the Olympic torch during its cross-country journey to the
Salt Lake City Games in 2002, and developed computer software that
uses a number of musical instruments, varying tones and left-right
speakers to allow those with vision problems to conceptualize and
study protein structures.

Despite these made-for-the-big-screen qualities to his life, Cordes
remains leery of being put on a pedestal: "I look forward to a world
where people with disabilities do what they can and what they want,
and it's not exciting or it's not different."

Dr. Brad Schwartz still remembers the paperwork Cordes forwarded to
the UW Medical School when applying to the medical scientist training
program.

While most attempting to head down this path are high achievers,
Schwartz says Cordes stood out from the pack due to his Medical
College Admission Test scores, 3.99 GPA in a demanding major and his
interesting research on antibiotics. It was a reference letter from a
Notre Dame researcher, however, that floored Schwartz, who was
director of the program in the spring of 1998.

"It's just this incredible, glowing letter," says Schwartz, now the
dean of the University of Illinois-Urbana's College of Medicine. "And
then you get to the last line, and it says, 'This is all the more
remarkable because Tim is blind.' We're all thinking, 'Oh my God!'"

Schwartz says his admissions review committee agreed Cordes was a
"one-in-a-million" candidate and assumed "every program in the country
would be fighting to get him because he was so remarkable."

But that wasn't the case. In fact, Cordes applied to eight schools,
but no one else showed interest. During one med school exit interview,
doctors and researchers at a rival Big Ten Conference institution made
it clear to Cordes, who has only a limited amount of light perception,
that there was no way a blind student could complete the school's
required coursework and rotations to earn a medical degree.

Cordes doesn't appear bitter about these rejections, but his mother,
Therese Cordes, acknowledges it was a difficult time for her son. "To
have someone tell Tim he's not good enough, despite all he
accomplished, was very, very tough on him," she says.

Even at UW-Madison, those close to the situation say some top medical
school administrators were adamantly opposed to admitting Cordes.
Concerns centered on two factors: the cost to make all the necessary
accommodations for a blind student; and the fear that the Association
of American Medical Colleges might frown on a school admitting a
student who couldn't see.

In the end, Schwartz stood his ground against the naysayers and Cordes
was ultimately one of 143 students earning a slot in med school out of
2,300 who applied. Although no official records are kept and there are
various scales to measure the extent of vision loss, published reports
in 1998 indicated Cordes was only the second blind person ever
admitted to a U.S. medical school. The first was David Hartman, a 1976
Temple grad and psychiatrist in Virginia whom Cordes considers a role
model.

Some members of the Medical School were guarded about Cordes' chances
of success at first, says Schwartz. "But I can tell you, each year
that he went along he won over more and more people," he says. In the
years to come, Cordes would learn the lessons and complete the tasks
asked of every other doctor-in-training.

In the classroom, he used books on tape and in Braille to learn the
fundamentals. He also relied heavily on a computer that could read
downloaded texts and e-mails at a blistering 500 words per minute -
something Cordes can easily understand but would sound like gibberish
to someone accustomed to normal-paced speech. The university also
provided him with a machine - "It looks a little like an Easy-Bake
oven," says Cordes - that makes raised-line drawings so he could
interpret images using his sense of touch.

In the lab, he helped dissect a human cadaver and used his fingers to
identify the various nerves, muscles and organs. "I was the guy who
reached into the chest and pulled out the lungs," says Cordes. When it
came to hospital rotations, he helped deliver babies (earning Student
of the Year honors in the obstetrics and gynecology rotation),
observed surgery - "I felt blood flowing through an aorta" - and
intubated patients during an anesthesiology rotation.

The school also hired "visual describers" to tag along with Cordes and
his seeing-eye dog to help Cordes read paper charts or act as his eyes
during a physical exam. In 2004, he earned the title of medical
doctor.

His Ph.D. work centered on biomolecular chemistry and the makeup of
proteins, a field that relies heavily on colorful, computer-generated
models of complex molecular structures. Out of necessity, Cordes wrote
a computer program that replicates the 3-D images using a range of
audio tones and surround-sound speakers, allowing him to "visualize"
the proteins in his head. In 2007 he earned his Ph.D.

Although Cordes isn't one to puff out his chest and say "I told you
so," he is proud of the fact he never allowed others to squash his
dreams. "Choosing to ignore what other people say, when they say it
can't be done, is a powerful tool," says Cordes.

When Cordes started his medical school journey more than a decade ago,
he had no desire to work directly with patients. Research was his
passion, and the medical scientist training program is designed to
develop people who can bridge the gap between basic research and
clinical work.

"I think it was just intellectual curiosity," Cordes said of the
research-first focus.

But while working his way through the various rotations during his
third year of medical school, Cordes started to zero in on a specialty
and re-think his career options. He knew he couldn't be a radiologist
but thought any other area was up for grabs. A four-week psychiatry
rotation at the William S. Middleton Memorial Veterans Hospital stood
out.

"I was lucky and had a really great psychiatrist running the ward I
was on," Cordes says of Dr. Tony Braus. "Some of the patients we saw
there really got better in a relatively short time, and we could see
some improvements in people."

While he enjoyed interacting with the patients, Cordes also saw the
potential to conduct groundbreaking research in the study and
treatment of mental disorders. "There is just a lot we don't know," he
says. "In other places of medicine, some of the more fundamental
questions have been asked and answered, but in psychiatry we are just
starting to ask them."

So after earning his M.D. and Ph.D., Cordes in 2007 entered a
four-year, psychiatry research track residency program, which allows
him to spend time working with patients and conducting research.
Although he notes there has been no single "ah-ha" moment, Cordes says
it's becoming clear his desire to work as a clinician and teacher of
future doctors is stronger than his drive to focus solely on research.

Cordes' typical week currently consists of two-and-a-half days at the
Veterans Hospital, where he helps supervise the medical interns in an
inpatient psychiatry unit, and one full day of outpatient care at a UW
Health clinic in University Research Park, where he oversees more than
100 patients. He also spends a half-day attending lectures and gets
one full day for research. His research mainly consists of mining data
and searching for interesting patterns using the Midlife Development
in the United States
survey<http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/ICPSR/series/00203>, which
examines the lives of people ages 30 to 70 in such areas as physical
health, psychological well-being and factors that might lead to mental
illness.

At the Veterans Hospital, he also worked on a clinical trial
systematically rating symptoms in patients with post-traumatic stress
disorder.

While he has a proven track record as a researcher, Cordes is also
earning kudos as a clinician.

"In psychiatry, part of what we do is getting to know patients,
establishing a rapport and trying to understand what's going on with
them so we can help them out," says Art Walaszek, the residency
training director for UW-Madison's department of psychiatry. "And Tim
just has an incredible, natural ability to put people at ease and
communicate and listen to them. I don't know exactly how he does it,
but he just has this awareness of what's going on with the patient."

Body language and expressions often convey information to therapists,
but Cordes is able to pick up on these cues despite his sight
limitations. He says he's "gotten good at listening to people - not
just what they're saying but hearing how their body moves or what
direction they're talking in."

Colleagues say they can't recall an instance in which a patient did
not want to be seen by Cordes because he is blind. In fact, says
Braus, Cordes' disability seemingly allows him to more easily connect
with patients.

"It's almost like Tim has more credibility with some patients," says
Braus, who today works at the VA's outpatient clinic. "Tim knows what
it means to recover from something or to be able to compensate or
overcome a problem. People at some level seem to relate to that."

It's not easy keeping pace with Cordes - even if you can see.

With sprinkles just starting to fall one dreary spring morning, Cordes
and Vance - his loyal guide dog for the past nine years - walk briskly
from the bus stop to his office.

The ride from near his home on Madison's East Side to UW Health's
Psychiatric Institute and Clinic, which is across town in University
Research Park, takes about 40 minutes - not bad considering Cordes has
to transfer buses on the UW-Madison campus. The jaunt from the final
stop to the clinic takes about five minutes at a quick pace. Somehow,
Cordes narrowly misses several potholes on the driveway leading to his
office. Those who have watched Cordes for years insist he has some
sort of internal radar.

"He has this like, Zen, where he can walk through the living room and
not step on all my son's trains," says his wife, Blue-leaf, a native
of India and a 1994 Madison East grad who met Cordes while
interviewing for the M.D.-Ph.D. program, which she also completed. "I
don't know how he does it without falling and hurting himself."

Before long, Cordes is heading up a set of stairs leading to a back
entrance of the clinic. He scans his security badge to gain entry to
the facility; it's just past 7 a.m.

Using his sharp memory and displaying complete trust in Vance, Cordes
quickly moves down a hall to his office, drops off his jacket and
backpack, and heads back down a hallway to separate locked rooms that
house medical records and the mail. He intuitively slides his hand
over the keypad security system, and quickly taps out the code.
Inside, Braille labels allow him to promptly grab the correct patient
records and mail.

Back in his office, he sets the papers neatly on his desk before
flipping open his laptop and scanning through e-mails using
screen-reading software that ticks off the messages in quick order.
Like clockwork, Jeanne Harris, one of Cordes' visual describers,
arrives in the office at 7:10 a.m. to read over any faxed-in requests
for prescription refills or hand-written notes, charts or surveys
Cordes can't read himself. (For many printed materials, he can take a
picture of a document with his smart phone, and a program will read it
to him.)

Ten minutes later, the paperwork is cleared, Vance is resting on the
floor in the office, and Cordes is preparing for a day of
numbers-crunching research on his computer.

It's easy to be impressed by how efficiently Cordes operates, but he
wishes others would view it as ordinary. "Just like you, I have a job
to do and I figured out how to do it," he explains. "To me, it's
gratifying how profoundly routine this all seems at times."

Even those closest to Cordes - the ones who have never doubted his
potential - confess it's difficult to view this all as merely routine.

Therese Cordes still has vivid memories from three decades ago when
she put a 2-year-old Tim in the car and drove him to meet with the
University of Iowa's highly regarded pediatric ophthalmologists. The
experts there gave her little hope, rattling off a list of things her
only son would never be able to do.

"I cried all the way home," says Therese, "and then decided to forget
everything they told me."

Tim Cordes credits his mother for being a rock of emotional support
over the years, while his father, an engineer, was pragmatically
supportive - the problem-solver and the one who helped Tim get up to
speed with many of the technological gizmos he relies on.

It also didn't hurt that Cordes was being pushed by two older,
successful sisters, both of whom were valedictorians of their high
school class (Tim finished as runner-up during his senior year) before
also moving on to Notre Dame.

Earlier this spring, Therese Cordes was in tears again after her son
got a standing ovation following his riveting speech to the Madison
Civics Club. "He's inspirational," said the proud mother.

What, exactly, the future holds for Cordes isn't clear. After he
completes the four-year residency program in July of 2011, he's
considering additional training so he can help people with drug
addiction problems. Another option is to land a position working with
military veterans suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder and
severe brain injuries, work Cordes enjoys and finds rewarding.

No matter what direction Cordes ultimately decides to push his career,
he has no intention of becoming part of what he calls "today's
risk-averse society."

"I went to a playground with my son and I found out what passes for a
teeter-totter these days," he explained during his civics club speech.
"It's a U-shaped, spring-loaded contraption that assures nobody gets
too high off the ground or nobody comes down too hard."

Cordes adds proudly: "I learned to swing on monkey bars - which I
could not see well - over asphalt. I learned that if you fall it
hurts, so you try not to fall. But it's still worth swinging."


Corinne Lankford
EAD Disability Services Specialist
New office title name:  "Equal Opportunity, Affirmative Action, and
Disability Services Department"
Vanderbilt University

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-- 
Mary Fernandez
Emory University 2012
P.O. Box 123056
Atlanta Ga.
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most accessible and wisest of counselors, and the most patient of
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From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Tue Jun  8 07:19:02 2010
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (NabslinkAudioWebMaster)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 01:19:02 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] New Djd Invasion Show Available For Download
Message-ID: <mailman.4.1772982258.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>



Greetings!
This is an automatic notification to let you know that a new show has been uploaded, and is now ready for you to download.

Title: The Nabs Conference Call For June 2010
Description: Come listen to or download this call and learn about the Nabs events that will be going on at this year's NFB National Convention in Dallas Texas. Find out how you can meet the Nabs board, participate in our yearly business meeting at convention, and so much more on this highly informative convention-related call. This will be our last Nabs conference call until August of 2010.

You can download the show directly at:
http://www.nabslinkaudio.org/audio/presentations/June2010Call.mp3

Alternatively you can visit the archive page at:
http://archives.radio360.us/thedjdinvasion/

Regards,

The Radio360 Ghost, Bringing you your favorite show archives one program at a time
http://www.radio360.us


From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Tue Jun  8 17:55:50 2010
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:55:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] my apologies
Message-ID: <1B8E27569FE140DFA5778E45B2F78F4B@radio360usa>

Hi All!
I want to apologize for the confusion regarding the email that got sent out concerning the archive of the convention conference call from Sunday night.
The script sent out the wrong email, so for that I apologize. This will be fixed for the next call.
In the mean time, head on over to
http://www.nabslinkaudio.org/audio/presentations
to stream or download your copy of the call.
Thanks.
>From David

From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Tue Jun  8 17:56:09 2010
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:56:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Your Invitation To Check Out The Radio360 1 Year Birthday
	Party Tonight
Message-ID: <99B079B35A3146A49C09A08D842FC039@radio360usa>

Greetings All!
Feel free to forward this on to anyone you think would be interested in the following.
On Monday, June 8, 2009, after many sleepless nights and long hours of testing, Radio360 launched its first live program!
Some said we'd never stay afloat.
And a year later, on Tuesday, June 8, 2010, Radio360 is still very much alive, and we're planning on celebrating our birthday tonight starting at 8 PM eastern, and you're invited!

Tonight's party will consist of the following:
1. Four hourly drawings for small gift cards or netflix subscriptions. To put your name in the drawing, email
djd at radio360.us
with your name and email. Four names will be selected
2. An interview with a young lady who makes some fascinating music, Briley Pollard
3. Some great music both upbeat and slow, but all good songs plus your requests
4. Some other surprises thrown in along the way
and
5. Our grand prize cash giveaway!
How much can we give away? That depends on you. Listen in throughout the first two hours of the show and whatever our listener peak is determines how much cash is awarded in the final hour, as our first four callers compete in an intense game of Press Your Luck with the chance to take home the money! So spread the word and tune in! The more we have, the higher the giveaway! Stay tuned for the cue to call in and take a stab at getting lucky and bringing home some green!
During the birthday, which will be hosted by me, Hope, Meka of The Musicscape Cafe and more, if you wish to get in touch, feel free to email, msn message, or aol instant message in at the address
live at radio360.us
or when the lines are open, you can call in at
516-717-4425
by phone or through skype at the address
radio360usa
I cannot wait for our one year birthday celebration tonight, and I hope as many of you as possible will be able to attend.
Joining the party is easy. Just save this email, and at 8 PM eastern (7 PM central, 6 PM mountain and 5 PM pacific) either go to
http://www.radio360.us/players/playerselection.shtml
to tune in or put
http://fast.icastcenter.com:9001
into your default media player.
So bring your birthdeay spirit, and ojoin us for our 1 year birthday party! See you there!
Best regards,
David Dunphy, Radio360 station owner and host of The Djd Invasion
http://www.radio360.us

From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Tue Jun  8 19:24:12 2010
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:24:12 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] my apologies
In-Reply-To: <1B8E27569FE140DFA5778E45B2F78F4B@radio360usa>
References: <1B8E27569FE140DFA5778E45B2F78F4B@radio360usa>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikVK0ZnJkL4yH8BOEyeVI4Pxl_jLmh33bHfc3oe@mail.gmail.com>

David,
 I believe I can speak for both the membership committee and  the
general membership (though I wouldn't make a habit of doing it) when I
 express great amounts of appreciation for the work you've done with
regards to getting  the audio side of  the membership calls up and
available.  I've enjoyed listening to both  of the calls and  know
that  this would not be  possible without your hard work.
 So, I have  only to say Thank you!
 Darian


On 6/8/10, David Dunphy <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All!
> I want to apologize for the confusion regarding the email that got sent out
> concerning the archive of the convention conference call from Sunday night.
> The script sent out the wrong email, so for that I apologize. This will be
> fixed for the next call.
> In the mean time, head on over to
> http://www.nabslinkaudio.org/audio/presentations
> to stream or download your copy of the call.
> Thanks.
> >From David
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“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are
spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin


From nabs.president at gmail.com  Wed Jun  9 03:19:29 2010
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 21:19:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Special Convention Bulletin!
Message-ID: <AANLkTilRyABTiQ3ZIhamPwWp3laN7PAHDE_xfmtktMAR@mail.gmail.com>

National Association of Blind Students
>From the Desk of the President
June 8, 2010
Special Bulletin: NFB Convention Highlights
	In just 26 days members of the National Federation of the Blind will
gather in Dallas for the 61st NFB national convention. The convention
promises to be a fun and enriching experience for first-time attendees
and veteran members alike. Come to reconnect with old friends and make
new ones, to learn about the latest in blindness programs and
technology, and to be part of the process of changing what it means to
be blind!
	Attached please find the full schedule of convention activities (the
convention agenda). In this bulletin I have included information about
NABS activities and a summary of other convention events. Please
consult the attached agenda for information about activities not
listed here in the bulletin. Please also consult the first three pages
of the agenda for information about the layout of our convention
hotel, the Hilton Anatole, and dining options within the hotel. The
Hilton Anatole is located at 2201 Stemmons Freeway Dallas, TX 75207
Hotel phone: 214-748-1200
       If you have won an NFB scholarship or other convention award,
you may be required or invited to attend events not listed here; you
will be notified individually about these additional events.
	At this time the convention hotel rooms are all reserved. If you
still need a room, contact your affiliate president to find out if
anyone going from your state has a space in their room. If not, then
contact me at Nabs.president at gmail.com
If you are flying to Dallas, taxi and SuperShuttle service are
available to take you to the Hilton Anatole. Average SuperShuttle
fares run at about $18; average taxi fares run at about $40 from the
Dallas/Fort Worth airport and about $20 from the Dallas/Love Field
airport. You can reserve a SuperShuttle trip in advance by going to
www.supershuttle.com
or, if you are traveling in a group, catch a taxi outside the main terminal.
I look forward to seeing all of you in Dallas!
Schedule of Highlighted Convention Activities
Saturday July 3, 2010
Saturday features several technology seminars, including a session
about improvements in Blackboard accessibility. Consult the agenda for
details and room locations. There will also be special sessions for
middle and high school students on Saturday afternoon which NABS will
be conducting where teens can discuss issues and concerns about
preparing for high school and college. Exact times for these and other
teen sessions are listed in the agenda.
Finally, there will be goalball (sponsored by the Sports and
Recreation Division) on Saturday afternoon and an all-day employment
seminar on Saturday.
On Saturday evening from 8:00 to midnight, NABS will be hosting a
Student Hospitality Night in the Affiliate Action Suite, Room
2372.	Drop in for snacks, games, and the chance to meet and mingle
with other blind high school, college, graduate and nontraditional
students. Feel free to drop in and out while also enjoying salsa
dancing, karaoke, or the Rookie Roundup, a gathering for first-time
convention attendees.
Sunday July 4, 2010
On Sunday both the exhibit hall and the NFB Independence Market and
Showroom of Innovation will open. Come to the Exhibit Hall to browse
information and products from leading assistive technology vendors and
to learn about our NFB training centers. Come to the Independence
Market to buy canes, watches, and other blindness products, to pick up
NFB literature, and to explore new innovations such as the Blind
Driver Challenge. Both the exhibit hall and the Independence Market
will be open on Sunday and Monday all day and on Tuesday and Wednesday
during the lunch break. NABS will have a table in the exhibit hall
where we will be selling water bottles and passing out student
information packets. Come see us!
Sunday is also a good time to pick up your registration materials if
you pre-registered, or to purchase them if you didn't. The
registration desk will also be open on Monday and on Tuesday,
Wednesday, and Thursday mornings before the general session.
Check the agenda for programs on Sunday including the meeting of the
Resolutions Committee and the Mock Trial, where the National
Association of Blind Lawyers will provide a comical reenactment of a
serious legal case involving discrimination against the blind. There
will also be a writing workshop for youth ages 11 to 19.
On Sunday evening from 7:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. NABS will have its
annual business meeting. Come early to register with us, or register
online now by going to
www.nabslink.org
Annual NABS dues, which you will need to pay in order to vote in the
elections, are $5. At our meeting we will hear about exciting new
developments with the Blackboard learning platform and other news, and
we will hear from NFB President Maurer and from a  few of our student
members about their experiences being in the NFB. We will also be
electing two of our board members. Join our business meeting to learn
the latest about issues affecting us as blind students, and become a
part of our organization.
Monday July 5, 2010

	On Monday morning we will have the national NFB Board of Directors
meeting, an open meeting where a variety of announcements about the
convention and other general NFB matters will be given. On Monday
afternoon and evening, a variety of NFB divisions will hold their
annual meetings. Many NFB divisions are organized by shared
professional interests, such as the National Association of Blind
Lawyers, the National Association of Blind Educators, the Science and
Engineering Division, and the Human Services Division. Check the
agenda to find the division meeting(s) you want to attend. This is a
great opportunity to meet blind people working in your field of study
and to learn about the latest developments in techniques that can be
useful to you in your career.
Finally, on Monday evening, check out the teen talk sessions (separate
Q&A sessions for boys and girls), the indoor rowing workshop and the
annual play performed by students at the Louisiana Center for the
Blind. All proceeds from the play support the teen summer program at
the LCB!

Tuesday July 6, 2010
	Tuesday is the first of three days of general sessions. A highlight
of the Tuesday session is the presidential report, when Dr. Maurer
updates us on what the NFB has been doing over the past year and what
work is still ahead of us. Check the agenda for a detailed description
of the General Session program for Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.
On Tuesday evening, the NFB of Texas will be hosting a Texas-style
barbeque and live music in Anatole Park, just outside the hotel.
Barbeque tickets can be purchased for $45 during registration. There
will also be more teen activities and an open house for the Colorado
Center for the Blind.

Wednesday July 7, 2010
	On Wednesday we have more general sessions in the morning and
afternoon. On Wednesday night NABS will be holding our annual Monte
Carlo Night fund-raiser. Pay $10 to purchase chips and play
casino-style card games; whoever has the most chips at the end of the
night will win a cash prize. The Performing Arts Division is also
hosting their annual Showcase of Talent on Wednesday night, and the
exhibit hall will be open for the last time.

Thursday July 8, 2010
	On Thursday we will have one final day of general sessions, followed
by the banquet in the evening. If you didn’t pre-register for the
convention, you can purchase your banquet ticket for $45 during
registration. I personally find the banquet and especially Dr.
Maurer’s presidential address to be one of the most fun and inspiring
parts of the convention. It reminds us of where we the blind of this
country have come from, where we are going and that we are all united
in the business of changing what it means to be blind.


-- 
Arielle Silverman
President, National Association of Blind Students
Phone:  602-502-2255
Email:
nabs.president at gmail.com
Website:
www.nabslink.org
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Wed Jun  9 04:57:12 2010
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 22:57:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Student Slate and New NABS Website!
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Hi again all,

Attached please find the summer 2010 issue of the Student Slate, the
quarterly publication of the National Association of Blind Students.
As you will read in the Editor's Introduction in the Slate, we have
just completed a revamp of the NABS website! Go to
www.nabslink.org
to check out the new site, and let us know what you think!

I look forward to seeing many of you in Dallas!

Arielle Silverman, President
National Association of Blind Students
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Wed Jun  9 04:34:08 2010
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 22:34:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
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Hi all,

I'm sorry it's taken me a few days to respond to this thread. Here are
some things that haven't been mentioned yet:

Labeling: I think if you are a rehab client, you should be able to get
someone to come and label your stove and ovens for free, although a
sighted friend or reader should be able to do this with you in just a
few minutes.
I actually don't have any fancy Braille labeling technology at the
moment, so I just have dots on my microwave and oven dial. I have one
dot at 300 degrees and the  second dot at 400 degrees, so I know it's
at 350 degrees when the dial is halfway between the two dots.
Unless you are baking something like a cake or cookies, I don't think
exact oven temperature is critical, if you're just cooking a casserole
or piece of meat or fish.
I have never felt the need to label my stove dial--I just ask someone
to tell me which direction to turn it to get to "high". Usually once
you get it on "high" if you keep turning the dial in the same
direction, the temperature will go down to medium, and then low.

-- I don't know how common this is, but the grocery chain here in CO
(King Soopers/Kroger) has a specialty meat section where you can buy
meat and chicken that are already seasoned and prepared, and all you
have to do is bake it or cook it on a Foreman grill. For example,
sometimes I will buy beef Wellingtons (individual steaks wrapped in
phyllo dough), Black and Bleu burgers (jumbo meat patties seasoned
with black pepper and stuffed with blue cheese), or chicken grillers
(chicken breasts stuffed with meat, cheese, etc.) These prepared meats
will come with cooking directions, which your assistant can read to
you while you're in the store, and can be cooked in a toaster oven or
on a Foreman grill.
-- Many tasty and healthy side dishes can be cooked easily in the
microwave including rice, Rice-a-Roni, fresh vegetables, whole
potatoes (just poke a few holes in it with a fork first), or potato
wedges. I've cooked rice and veggies both on  the stove and  in the
microwave and I don't notice a big difference.  Combining some rice,
potatoes or veggies with a baked  or grilled meat can make a
satisfying and low-fuss meal that won't taste as processed as Easy Mac
or hot dogs.
-- As long as you have oven mitts, a regular oven should be just as
safe as a toaster oven.
-- To locate stove burners, make sure your stovetop is completely
clear of clutter, turn on one of the burners, and then use your hand
above the stovetop to feel for the heat and position your pan such
that the flame is covered. If you can feel more heat on one side of
the pan than the other, adjust the pan's position until the heat is
covered up or even on both sides of the pan. As long as your stovetop
is cleared of everything except the pan of food you are cooking, this
isn't a fire hazard.
-- To the very good instructions about browning meat on the stove, I
would just add not to be afraid to use your hands, if you need to. For
example, after washing my hands, I will often use them to break up the
ground meat before I turn on the heat to cook it, and then wash my
hands again (I'll also do this if I'm making a meat loaf). I might
also take a little meat out of the pan and touch it to see if it's
done, once it starts to feel done under the spatula (raw meat is
slimy!) I don't see anything wrong with this as long as you wash your
hands before and after touching food. In fact, I will often fill the
sink up with warm soapy water while I am cooking and use it to rinse
my hands periodically throughout the process.
--For recipes, I stumbled on a good website,
busycooks.about.com
They have a lot of recipes designed to minimize time and effort
including a collection of "five-ingredient" recipes, which I
personally like because my kitchen is tiny and I don't have a lot of
pantry space. However, these recipes are also very good. My only
caution is that the recipes tend to be scaled for 4-6 people, so if
you live alone, you'll probably want to cut the recipe in half, or
freeze the leftovers.
-- I will close by describing how to cook pasta, since that is one of
my favorite foods. You will want to use a deep pot and preferably one
that has two handles (handles don't get hot). I know most people
advise listening to determine when the water is boiling, but I
personally find it hard to discern with my ears when the water
transitions from almost-boiling to boiling proper. So, what I will do
is touch the handles of the pot and feel the vibrations, and when the
handles are vibrating strongly and rhythmically, the water is boiling.

Once the water boils simply add the pasta to the pot, wait for it to
boil again and turn the heat down to medium. Different pasta boxes
will suggest different cooking times; I will usually wait 5-7 minutes
and then take a little out with a slotted spoon, run it under cold
water and taste it to see when it is done (undercooked pasta will be
very obvious!)

To drain pasta I would recommend using a large colander that fills up
most of your sink, especially if you're still learning. That way, if
you don't quite line your pot up with the colander, most of the pasta
will still end up in the colander rather than the sink. The big
colanders are also less likely to tip if you bump them with the pot
while trying to line up. Pouring pasta into a colander is pretty safe
and easy, but if it makes you nervous, you can do it wearing oven
gloves.

I hope this is helpful, and feel free to continue asking these questions.

Arielle

On 6/6/10, Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello All!
> Cooking is fun and infinitely healthier than frozen dinners or take
> out, which will never taste the same. Part of it is that once you have
> made your first fried egg, even if it looks like someone not so much
> fried it as tried to kill it, you made it, and so you are damn well
> sure to enjoy it. I belive there are some sort of cutting instruments
> that help cut tomatoes and such straighter. But it is definitely a
> matter of practice, and  remember you can always buy cherry tomatoes!
> If it's your first time doing something, pay attention, and time
> things. If your steak is a litter rarer than you wanted it, see how
> long you cooked it for and then just add a few minutes. With meats,
> use a moderate temp, since a very high  temp on the stove will ofter
> burn the outside while letting the inside still raw. Ok, it's late so
> I can't htink of anyhting else, but get a recipe book and an apron,
> and go at it!
> If no one else eats it there's more for you. Lol.
> Mary
>
> On 6/6/10, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hmm… is that suppose to be some kind of subliminal message to buy some
>> Wisconsin cheese curds at national convention provided that they are still
>> selling them? Although I do agree that adding cheese, regardless of what
>> kind it may be, has the tendency to make almost any kind of food taste
>> better.
>>
>> But as for experimenting in the kitchen, my advice is that it never hurts
>> to
>> give it a try. I have always thought of cooking to be more of an art
>> rather
>> than a science, so if you somehow mess up and make a mistake, it just
>> gives
>> you an idea about what you might want to do or not do the next time you
>> give
>> it a try.
>>
>> And if your vegetables are not cut and chopped into the exact same shape
>> and
>> size, no one will probably notice but you. The fact that something is not
>> cut perfectly only tells me that it must have been something home made
>> which
>> always seems to taste better than something that was bought at the store.
>>
>> And if you somehow manage to hurt yourself while cooking, chances are that
>> you are not the only person that it has happened to and you will most
>> likely
>> live through the experience. I remember hearing Rachel Ray say that she
>> cut
>> herself on one of her first cooking shows which only shows that it can
>> happen to anyone. But it also shows that it does not always have to be a
>> big
>> deal when it does happen.
>>
>> Anyways, happy cooking.
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>
>>> From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 15:36:33 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking questions
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am just reading this cooking thread, and will throw in a few thoughts.
>>> A
>>> lot of good tips have been shared already, but here are a few others:
>>>
>>> First, let me caution you that not all ovens and/or stoves have controls
>>> which work in the same way. I have had appliances where clockwise got
>>> hotter
>>> and where clockwise turned down the heat. Likewise with ovens. There is
>>> no
>>> standard. Verify how the controls work, and mark or label them in a
>>> logical
>>> way. As has been suggested, if your parents won't help you, have a friend
>>> do
>>> it. While your parents certainly are well-intentioned they are limiting
>>> you
>>> completely unnecessarily. For many blind people, cooking is second
>>> nature.
>>> While I am no gourmet, I am certainly proficient in the kitchen, and
>>> probably better than most males in their twenties.
>>>
>>> One general tip is to approach tasks in the kitchen systematically.
>>> Whether
>>> you are frosting a cake, breaking up ground beef or turkey, or mixing in
>>> a
>>> seasoning packet, use a consistent method. Don't just toss a chunk of
>>> meet
>>> in the pan and randomly stab at it with a spatula. While this will surely
>>> work to a degree, it is far more efficient and effective to, for
>>> instance,
>>> work your way around the outer edge of the meet, breaking it apart and
>>> pushing the broken meet away from the large piece. This works especially
>>> if
>>> the meet you are browning is frozen. There are infinite other ways, but
>>> have
>>> an approach. As far as how to know when it is done, the feel is
>>> important,
>>> but you can also smell when meat is cooked. Between the sound, feel and
>>> smell, it is not too difficult to determine; and, if you get it wrong
>>> once
>>> or twice, you know better for the next time.
>>>
>>> Don't be afraid of gas stoves. They, in my opinion, are better than
>>> electric
>>> ones. You can hear the gas click and the flame ignite on a gas stove. You
>>> can also gauge the intensity of the flame by holding your hand above it
>>> or
>>> listening to it.
>>>
>>> For cooking chicken, fish or burgers, I prefer a Forman grill. In fact, I
>>> just purchased a new one. Things taste better grilled (even if they are
>>> fake
>>> grilled indoors on an electric grill). This said, I am no stranger to pan
>>> frying, broiling and grilling an a gas grill. You can purchase tong-like
>>> spatulas that allow you to grip a piece of meat and flip it over. I,
>>> personally, just use a standard spatula. You can use your cooking utensil
>>> to
>>> feel where things are. If you have two burgers in a frying pan, feel
>>> where
>>> they are with the spatula, find the edge of one, slide the spatula under
>>> the
>>> burger and lift it out of the pan. As was mentioned in another post, you
>>> can
>>> hold onto the handle of the pan to increase stability and ensure that you
>>> don't move the pan around. I often simply touch the top of the burger or
>>> chicken breast with one hand while I slide the spatula underneath it.
>>> Keep
>>> in mind, the face up side of the meet is not going to be that hot. I know
>>> some people have a fair amount of uneasiness dealing with stovetop
>>> cooking,
>>> but, in reality, you can even touch the pan without injuring yourself, as
>>> long as you do so quickly. All of this applies equally to broiling and
>>> grilling, except for the part about touching the pan. I wouldn't touch
>>> the
>>> grill.
>>>
>>> Using knives was not mentioned, but I know that knife use by blind folks
>>> inspires paranoia among the general public as do few other things. So, in
>>> case anybody is wondering, let me assuring you that chopping, slicing,
>>> dicing and mincing are all very doable without sight. The knife is in one
>>> hand, and you know where your other hand is, so don't cut it off. Ok,
>>> that
>>> sounds a bit flippant, but, seriously, it isn't like you're going to hurt
>>> yourself unless you are wielding the knife like a maniac, or, possibly,
>>> if
>>> one has very poor spatial awareness, which can be a legitimate concern.
>>> When
>>> slicing bread, cheese, tomatoes and the like, it can be difficult to make
>>> nice even slices. For the most part, practice is what will help you
>>> there.
>>> Two small tips: Hold the item you are slicing very steady and do not let
>>> it
>>> move or shift positions and when cutting be cognizant of the angle of the
>>> knife blade to the counter top. You want to keep the blade perpendicular
>>> to
>>> the surface on which you are working. The good news is that unevenly
>>> sliced
>>> sharp Wisconsin cheddar cheese is equally delicious to the evenly slice
>>> variety. Unless you're preparing a party platter, don't sweat it too
>>> much.
>>> You will get better in time. And, tomatoes suck anyway.
>>>
>>> If you want to chop something, an onion for example, first cut it in half
>>> so
>>> it has a flat surface upon which to rest. Then, place the tip of your
>>> knife
>>> on the cutting board with the blade facing down and the object to be
>>> chopped
>>> underneath it. I am right handed, so the knife is in my right hand. I use
>>> my
>>> left hand to hold the onion steady and start with the knife at the right
>>> side of the onion. Keep the knife tip on the cutting surface and
>>> repeatedly
>>> bring the blade down and raise it back up. Each time you make a cut, use
>>> the knife to push what has been cut off to the side, in my case the right
>>> side, while keeping the knife tip stationary. Each time you cut, pivot
>>> the
>>> knife slightly toward your non-knife-holding hand. Repeat the process
>>> until
>>> the entire onion, or whatever else, is chopped.
>>>
>>> The bottom line is that a blind person can do anything in the kitchen
>>> that
>>> anybody else can do. Fears of injury, while understandable on some level,
>>> are ill-founded. As long as you think about what you are doing and
>>> exercise
>>> a reasonable level of caution, you will not injure yourself. Things might
>>> be
>>> difficult until you get used to them, but you will never be able to get
>>> used
>>> to them unless you practice. Just go for it. Being able to cook is a
>>> vital
>>> part of being able to take care of yourself as an independent adult.
>>>
>>> Sorry this got so long. I never thought I would use the word "spatula" so
>>> many times in the course of 10 minutes!
>>>
>>> I hope that somebody finds something useful in this post. If nothing
>>> else,
>>> take it as an advertisement for delicious Wisconsin cheese.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
>>>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 22:34:08 
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking questions

Hi all,

I'm sorry it's taken me a few days to respond to this thread. Here are
some things that haven't been mentioned yet:

Labeling: I think if you are a rehab client, you should be able to get
someone to come and label your stove and ovens for free, although a
sighted friend or reader should be able to do this with you in just a
few minutes.
I actually don't have any fancy Braille labeling technology at the
moment, so I just have dots on my microwave and oven dial. I have one
dot at 300 degrees and the  second dot at 400 degrees, so I know it's
at 350 degrees when the dial is halfway between the two dots.
Unless you are baking something like a cake or cookies, I don't think
exact oven temperature is critical, if you're just cooking a casserole
or piece of meat or fish.
I have never felt the need to label my stove dial--I just ask someone
to tell me which direction to turn it to get to "high". Usually once
you get it on "high" if you keep turning the dial in the same
direction, the temperature will go down to medium, and then low.

-- I don't know how common this is, but the grocery chain here in CO
(King Soopers/Kroger) has a specialty meat section where you can buy
meat and chicken that are already seasoned and prepared, and all you
have to do is bake it or cook it on a Foreman grill. For example,
sometimes I will buy beef Wellingtons (individual steaks wrapped in
phyllo dough), Black and Bleu burgers (jumbo meat patties seasoned
with black pepper and stuffed with blue cheese), or chicken grillers
(chicken breasts stuffed with meat, cheese, etc.) These prepared meats
will come with cooking directions, which your assistant can read to
you while you're in the store, and can be cooked in a toaster oven or
on a Foreman grill.
-- Many tasty and healthy side dishes can be cooked easily in the
microwave including rice, Rice-a-Roni, fresh vegetables, whole
potatoes (just poke a few holes in it with a fork first), or potato
wedges. I've cooked rice and veggies both on  the stove and  in the
microwave and I don't notice a big difference.  Combining some rice,
potatoes or veggies with a baked  or grilled meat can make a
satisfying and low-fuss meal that won't taste as processed as Easy Mac
or hot dogs.
-- As long as you have oven mitts, a regular oven should be just as
safe as a toaster oven.
-- To locate stove burners, make sure your stovetop is completely
clear of clutter, turn on one of the burners, and then use your hand
above the stovetop to feel for the heat and position your pan such
that the flame is covered. If you can feel more heat on one side of
the pan than the other, adjust the pan's position until the heat is
covered up or even on both sides of the pan. As long as your stovetop
is cleared of everything except the pan of food you are cooking, this
isn't a fire hazard.
-- To the very good instructions about browning meat on the stove, I
would just add not to be afraid to use your hands, if you need to. For
example, after washing my hands, I will often use them to break up the
ground meat before I turn on the heat to cook it, and then wash my
hands again (I'll also do this if I'm making a meat loaf). I might
also take a little meat out of the pan and touch it to see if it's
done, once it starts to feel done under the spatula (raw meat is
slimy!) I don't see anything wrong with this as long as you wash your
hands before and after touching food. In fact, I will often fill the
sink up with warm soapy water while I am cooking and use it to rinse
my hands periodically throughout the process.
--For recipes, I stumbled on a good website,
busycooks.about.com
They have a lot of recipes designed to minimize time and effort
including a collection of "five-ingredient" recipes, which I
personally like because my kitchen is tiny and I don't have a lot of
pantry space. However, these recipes are also very good. My only
caution is that the recipes tend to be scaled for 4-6 people, so if
you live alone, you'll probably want to cut the recipe in half, or
freeze the leftovers.
-- I will close by describing how to cook pasta, since that is one of
my favorite foods. You will want to use a deep pot and preferably one
that has two handles (handles don't get hot). I know most people
advise listening to determine when the water is boiling, but I
personally find it hard to discern with my ears when the water
transitions from almost-boiling to boiling proper. So, what I will do
is touch the handles of the pot and feel the vibrations, and when the
handles are vibrating strongly and rhythmically, the water is boiling.

Once the water boils simply add the pasta to the pot, wait for it to
boil again and turn the heat down to medium. Different pasta boxes
will suggest different cooking times; I will usually wait 5-7 minutes
and then take a little out with a slotted spoon, run it under cold
water and taste it to see when it is done (undercooked pasta will be
very obvious!)

To drain pasta I would recommend using a large colander that fills up
most of your sink, especially if you're still learning. That way, if
you don't quite line your pot up with the colander, most of the pasta
will still end up in the colander rather than the sink. The big
colanders are also less likely to tip if you bump them with the pot
while trying to line up. Pouring pasta into a colander is pretty safe
and easy, but if it makes you nervous, you can do it wearing oven
gloves.

I hope this is helpful, and feel free to continue asking these questions.

Arielle

On 6/6/10, Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello All!
> Cooking is fun and infinitely healthier than frozen dinners or take
> out, which will never taste the same. Part of it is that once you have
> made your first fried egg, even if it looks like someone not so much
> fried it as tried to kill it, you made it, and so you are damn well
> sure to enjoy it. I belive there are some sort of cutting instruments
> that help cut tomatoes and such straighter. But it is definitely a
> matter of practice, and  remember you can always buy cherry tomatoes!
> If it's your first time doing something, pay attention, and time
> things. If your steak is a litter rarer than you wanted it, see how
> long you cooked it for and then just add a few minutes. With meats,
> use a moderate temp, since a very high  temp on the stove will ofter
> burn the outside while letting the inside still raw. Ok, it's late so
> I can't htink of anyhting else, but get a recipe book and an apron,
> and go at it!
> If no one else eats it there's more for you. Lol.
> Mary
>
> On 6/6/10, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hmm… is that suppose to be some kind of subliminal message to buy some
>> Wisconsin cheese curds at national convention provided that they are still
>> selling them? Although I do agree that adding cheese, regardless of what
>> kind it may be, has the tendency to make almost any kind of food taste
>> better.
>>
>> But as for experimenting in the kitchen, my advice is that it never hurts
>> to
>> give it a try. I have always thought of cooking to be more of an art
>> rather
>> than a science, so if you somehow mess up and make a mistake, it just
>> gives
>> you an idea about what you might want to do or not do the next time you
>> give
>> it a try.
>>
>> And if your vegetables are not cut and chopped into the exact same shape
>> and
>> size, no one will probably notice but you. The fact that something is not
>> cut perfectly only tells me that it must have been something home made
>> which
>> always seems to taste better than something that was bought at the store.
>>
>> And if you somehow manage to hurt yourself while cooking, chances are that
>> you are not the only person that it has happened to and you will most
>> likely
>> live through the experience. I remember hearing Rachel Ray say that she
>> cut
>> herself on one of her first cooking shows which only shows that it can
>> happen to anyone. But it also shows that it does not always have to be a
>> big
>> deal when it does happen.
>>
>> Anyways, happy cooking.
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>
>>> From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 15:36:33 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking questions
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am just reading this cooking thread, and will throw in a few thoughts.
>>> A
>>> lot of good tips have been shared already, but here are a few others:
>>>
>>> First, let me caution you that not all ovens and/or stoves have controls
>>> which work in the same way. I have had appliances where clockwise got
>>> hotter
>>> and where clockwise turned down the heat. Likewise with ovens. There is
>>> no
>>> standard. Verify how the controls work, and mark or label them in a
>>> logical
>>> way. As has been suggested, if your parents won't help you, have a friend
>>> do
>>> it. While your parents certainly are well-intentioned they are limiting
>>> you
>>> completely unnecessarily. For many blind people, cooking is second
>>> nature.
>>> While I am no gourmet, I am certainly proficient in the kitchen, and
>>> probably better than most males in their twenties.
>>>
>>> One general tip is to approach tasks in the kitchen systematically.
>>> Whether
>>> you are frosting a cake, breaking up ground beef or turkey, or mixing in
>>> a
>>> seasoning packet, use a consistent method. Don't just toss a chunk of
>>> meet
>>> in the pan and randomly stab at it with a spatula. While this will surely
>>> work to a degree, it is far more efficient and effective to, for
>>> instance,
>>> work your way around the outer edge of the meet, breaking it apart and
>>> pushing the broken meet away from the large piece. This works especially
>>> if
>>> the meet you are browning is frozen. There are infinite other ways, but
>>> have
>>> an approach. As far as how to know when it is done, the feel is
>>> important,
>>> but you can also smell when meat is cooked. Between the sound, feel and
>>> smell, it is not too difficult to determine; and, if you get it wrong
>>> once
>>> or twice, you know better for the next time.
>>>
>>> Don't be afraid of gas stoves. They, in my opinion, are better than
>>> electric
>>> ones. You can hear the gas click and the flame ignite on a gas stove. You
>>> can also gauge the intensity of the flame by holding your hand above it
>>> or
>>> listening to it.
>>>
>>> For cooking chicken, fish or burgers, I prefer a Forman grill. In fact, I
>>> just purchased a new one. Things taste better grilled (even if they are
>>> fake
>>> grilled indoors on an electric grill). This said, I am no stranger to pan
>>> frying, broiling and grilling an a gas grill. You can purchase tong-like
>>> spatulas that allow you to grip a piece of meat and flip it over. I,
>>> personally, just use a standard spatula. You can use your cooking utensil
>>> to
>>> feel where things are. If you have two burgers in a frying pan, feel
>>> where
>>> they are with the spatula, find the edge of one, slide the spatula under
>>> the
>>> burger and lift it out of the pan. As was mentioned in another post, you
>>> can
>>> hold onto the handle of the pan to increase stability and ensure that you
>>> don't move the pan around. I often simply touch the top of the burger or
>>> chicken breast with one hand while I slide the spatula underneath it.
>>> Keep
>>> in mind, the face up side of the meet is not going to be that hot. I know
>>> some people have a fair amount of uneasiness dealing with stovetop
>>> cooking,
>>> but, in reality, you can even touch the pan without injuring yourself, as
>>> long as you do so quickly. All of this applies equally to broiling and
>>> grilling, except for the part about touching the pan. I wouldn't touch
>>> the
>>> grill.
>>>
>>> Using knives was not mentioned, but I know that knife use by blind folks
>>> inspires paranoia among the general public as do few other things. So, in
>>> case anybody is wondering, let me assuring you that chopping, slicing,
>>> dicing and mincing are all very doable without sight. The knife is in one
>>> hand, and you know where your other hand is, so don't cut it off. Ok,
>>> that
>>> sounds a bit flippant, but, seriously, it isn't like you're going to hurt
>>> yourself unless you are wielding the knife like a maniac, or, possibly,
>>> if
>>> one has very poor spatial awareness, which can be a legitimate concern.
>>> When
>>> slicing bread, cheese, tomatoes and the like, it can be difficult to make
>>> nice even slices. For the most part, practice is what will help you
>>> there.
>>> Two small tips: Hold the item you are slicing very steady and do not let
>>> it
>>> move or shift positions and when cutting be cognizant of the angle of the
>>> knife blade to the counter top. You want to keep the blade perpendicular
>>> to
>>> the surface on which you are working. The good news is that unevenly
>>> sliced
>>> sharp Wisconsin cheddar cheese is equally delicious to the evenly slice
>>> variety. Unless you're preparing a party platter, don't sweat it too
>>> much.
>>> You will get better in time. And, tomatoes suck anyway.
>>>
>>> If you want to chop something, an onion for example, first cut it in half
>>> so
>>> it has a flat surface upon which to rest. Then, place the tip of your
>>> knife
>>> on the cutting board with the blade facing down and the object to be
>>> chopped
>>> underneath it. I am right handed, so the knife is in my right hand. I use
>>> my
>>> left hand to hold the onion steady and start with the knife at the right
>>> side of the onion. Keep the knife tip on the cutting surface and
>>> repeatedly
>>> bring the blade down and raise it back up. Each time you make a cut, use
>>> the knife to push what has been cut off to the side, in my case the right
>>> side, while keeping the knife tip stationary. Each time you cut, pivot
>>> the
>>> knife slightly toward your non-knife-holding hand. Repeat the process
>>> until
>>> the entire onion, or whatever else, is chopped.
>>>
>>> The bottom line is that a blind person can do anything in the kitchen
>>> that
>>> anybody else can do. Fears of injury, while understandable on some level,
>>> are ill-founded. As long as you think about what you are doing and
>>> exercise
>>> a reasonable level of caution, you will not injure yourself. Things might
>>> be
>>> difficult until you get used to them, but you will never be able to get
>>> used
>>> to them unless you practice. Just go for it. Being able to cook is a
>>> vital
>>> part of being able to take care of yourself as an independent adult.
>>>
>>> Sorry this got so long. I never thought I would use the word "spatula" so
>>> many times in the course of 10 minutes!
>>>
>>> I hope that somebody finds something useful in this post. If nothing
>>> else,
>>> take it as an advertisement for delicious Wisconsin cheese.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
>>>
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Wed Jun  9 13:47:35 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 09:47:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: TABS Southern Strums
Message-ID: <B65B888FFC854D3E8CE6FA451F82BC0E@Rufus>

Subject: [Nabs-presidents] TABS Southern Strums

Southern Strums Comes to Dallas Texas.   From the Desk of the President:
The
Texas Association of Blind Students is pleased to announce the return of
Southern Strums!
Southern Strums is TABS' biggest fundraiser of the year and our biggest
event second only to our Spring Conference. Southern Strums provides a
showcase for blind musicians to play for convention goers from all
over the United
States.
The event will be held on Monday July 5,2010 from 7:00pm-11:00pm. at
*Uptown
Bar* & *Grill* <http://www.uptownbarandgrill.com/>

www.uptownbarandgrill.com

2523 McKinney Avenue
Dallas, TX 75201-1964
(214) 969-9433



The Uptown Bar and Grill boasts it has the "best burgers in Dallas" and
offers half price burgers on the day it hosts our Southern Strums.

The venue is conveniently located just 2.5 miles away from the Hilton
Anatole Hotel. Get Directions from Mapquest
Here<http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Dallas&1s=TX&1a=2201+N+Stemmons+Fwy&1z=
75207-2801&1y=US&1l=32.801313&1g=-96.827068&1v=ADDRESS&2pn=Uptown+Bar+&+Gril
l&2c=Dallas&2s=TX&2a=2523+McKinney+Ave&2z=75201&2y=US&2l=32.795399&2g=-96.80
2002&2v=ADDRESS&2id=263856644>
.

We are aware that the hotel does not have a shuttle, and so TABS is pleased
to announce that we will be providing transportation between the bar and
hotel from 6:30pm-11:15pm at no cost to those who purchase a Southern Strums
ticket.

Come support our Student Division while enjoying great food, drinks, music
and mingling all for just $5!

For more information, please visit:

www.nfb-texas.org/tabs.html



if you would like to participate in Southern Strums, email Juan Munoz at
jcmunoz1989 at gmail.com





Juan Del Rosario

President

Texas Association of Blind Students
7823 Comal St.

Houston TX. 77051

Phone; 713-320-5519
Email; delrosariomartinez.juan at gmail.com





-- 
-Juan Del Rosario
President
Texas Association of Blind Students
www.nfb-texas.org/tabs.html
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From agrima at nbp.org  Wed Jun  9 15:49:00 2010
From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:49:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] New board book: "A, You're Adorable..."
Message-ID: <0E7F1B6BCDDF4AF7B35E483CDBF583FA@nbp2.local>

Here's the latest board book from NBP.
-Tony Grima, NBP

A You're Adorable
by Martha Alexander
Print/braille board book, $6.99
Ages Baby-Preschool
This book is in EITHER uncontracted braille or contracted braille -
please specify!


A you're adorable
B you're so beautiful
C you're a cutie full of charms . . . 

This charming ABC song book uses the lyrics of the 1940s song
(popularized by Perry Como, among others) to create a lovely and lyrical
alternative to the standard ABC song.

For those familiar with the song, it will be difficult not to sing
along, but the lyrics can be read aloud by the musically challenged. (If
you're not familiar with the song, visit the book's webpage below for a
link to "The Lawrence Welk Show" version!)

Readers will be delighted by this delicious traipse through the alphabet
- now available in a sturdy board book format that's perfect for babies
and toddlers. 

To order, visit:
http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/BB-ADORE.html


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NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302
Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext
20. Or order any of our books online at
http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html .




From JFreeh at nfb.org  Wed Jun  9 16:41:05 2010
From: JFreeh at nfb.org (Freeh,
	Jessica)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:41:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Law Schools Discriminate Against Blind Applicants
Message-ID: <auto-000157284973@mailfront1.g2host.com>


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



CONTACT:

Chris Danielsen

Director of Public Relations

National Federation of the Blind

(410) 659-9314, extension 2330

(410) 262-1281 (Cell)

<mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org






Law Schools Discriminate Against Blind Applicants




National Federation of the Blind Files Suit Against Four California Law Schools



San Francisco, California (June 9, 2010): The 
National Federation of the Blind (NFB), the 
nation’s oldest and largest organization of blind 
people, and three blind students who have applied 
or are considering applying to law school in 
California­Deepa Goraya, Bruce J. Sexton, and 
Claire Stanley­filed an amended lawsuit yesterday 
against the Law School Admissions Council and 
four California law schools for violating 
provisions of the California Disabled Persons 
Act, the Unruh Civil Rights Act, and the 
Americans with Disabilities Act.  The suit was 
filed because the law schools require or 
encourage applicants to use a centralized 
Internet-based application process provided by 
the Law School Admissions Council (LSAC) through 
its Web site (<http://www.lsac.org/>www.lsac.org) 
that is inaccessible to blind law school 
applicants.  Blind students must seek sighted 
assistance to use the LSAC system.  Furthermore, 
blind law school applicants cannot perform other 
tasks on the LSAC Web site, such as downloading 
official study materials for the Law School 
Admissions Test (LSAT) that is required by almost 
all <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = 
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" 
/>U.S. law schools.  The four law schools are: 
University of California Hastings College of the 
Law, Thomas Jefferson School of Law, Whittier Law 
School, and Chapman University School of Law.



Blind people access Web sites on computers 
equipped with screen access software that 
converts what is on the screen into synthesized 
speech or Braille.  The keyboard is used instead 
of a mouse to navigate the Web site and click on 
selected links or buttons.  If a Web site is 
improperly coded, however, blind computer users 
cannot access or interact with the site.  The law 
school applications available on lsac.org are 
completely inaccessible to screen readers, 
requiring blind users to resort to sighted 
assistance in order to complete their law school 
applications.  In addition, the practice tests 
and preparation materials for the LSAT are not 
available in an electronic format that is accessible to blind computer users.

Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National 
Federation of the Blind, said: “The National 
Federation of the Blind demands that those who 
control admission to the practice of law obey the 
law.  For too long, blind people have experienced 
barriers to entering the legal profession, 
despite a long history of success and 
distinguished service by blind attorneys and 
judges.  The National Federation of the Blind 
will not sit quietly while the LSAC willfully 
refuses to provide the same services to blind 
people seeking admission to law school that it 
does to the sighted.  The LSAC is engaging in 
blatant discrimination against the blind and we 
will not stand for it.  Since all of the schools 
named in our amended complaint either require or 
strongly encourage applicants to use the 
inaccessible LSAC application system, they too 
are actively discriminating against blind 
applicants and we will ask the courts to hold them responsible for doing so.”



The National Federation of the Blind and Ms. 
Goraya originally filed suit against the LSAC for 
its inaccessible Web site in February of 
2009.  The complaint filed today amends that 
action.  The National Federation of the Blind 
recently filed complaints with the United States 
Department of Justice against nine other law 
schools across the United States that use the 
LSAC online application system.  The Civil Rights 
Division of the Justice Department is investigating those complaints.



Plaintiffs are represented in this matter by 
Daniel F. Goldstein and Mehgan Sidhu of the 
Baltimore firm Brown, Goldstein, and Levy; 
Laurence W. Paradis, Anna Levine, and Karla 
Gilbride of the Berkley firm Disability Rights 
Advocates; and Scott C. LaBarre of the Denver firm LaBarre Law Offices.





###





About the National Federation of the Blind



With more than 50,000 members, the National 
Federation of the Blind is the largest and most 
influential membership organization of blind 
people in the United States.  The NFB improves 
blind people’s lives through advocacy, education, 
research, technology, and programs encouraging 
independence and self-confidence.  It is the 
leading force in the blindness field today and 
the voice of the nation's blind.  In January 2004 
the NFB opened the National Federation of the 
Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and 
training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind.


From jj at bestmidi.com  Wed Jun  9 16:44:50 2010
From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:44:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] [Mi-abs] FW: TABS Southern Strums
References: <B65B888FFC854D3E8CE6FA451F82BC0E@Rufus>
Message-ID: <0AC7B9B7424544359438D6711505785D@jage>

Given the price of food in the hotel, this sounds like it could be a 
win-win.
----- Original Message ----- 
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Students'" <cabs-talk at nfbnet.org>; "'Colorado Center'" 
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Students'" <fabs at nfbnet.org>; "'Illinois Students'" <iabs-talk at nfbnet.org>; 
"'Kansas Students'" <kabs at nfbnet.org>; "'Kentucky Students'" 
<nfbkabs at nfbnet.org>; "'Louisiana Students'" <la-students at nfbnet.org>; 
"'Michigan'" <mi-abs at nfbnet.org>; "'Minnesota Students'" 
<mn-abs at nfbnet.org>; "'Missouri'" <mabs at nfbnet.org>; "'National'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; "'Nebraska'" <nebraska-students at nfbnet.org>; "'New 
Hampshire Students'" <new-hampshire-students at nfbnet.org>; "'New Jersey 
Students'" <njabs-talk at nfbnet.org>; "'North Carolina Students'" 
<ncabs at nfbnet.org>; "'Ohio'" <oabs at nfbnet.org>; "'Pennsylvania'" 
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Students'" <vabs at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 9:47 AM
Subject: [Mi-abs] FW: TABS Southern Strums


> Subject: [Nabs-presidents] TABS Southern Strums
>
> Southern Strums Comes to Dallas Texas.   From the Desk of the President:
> The
> Texas Association of Blind Students is pleased to announce the return of
> Southern Strums!
> Southern Strums is TABS' biggest fundraiser of the year and our biggest
> event second only to our Spring Conference. Southern Strums provides a
> showcase for blind musicians to play for convention goers from all
> over the United
> States.
> The event will be held on Monday July 5,2010 from 7:00pm-11:00pm. at
> *Uptown
> Bar* & *Grill* <http://www.uptownbarandgrill.com/>
>
> www.uptownbarandgrill.com
>
> 2523 McKinney Avenue
> Dallas, TX 75201-1964
> (214) 969-9433
>
>
>
> The Uptown Bar and Grill boasts it has the "best burgers in Dallas" and
> offers half price burgers on the day it hosts our Southern Strums.
>
> The venue is conveniently located just 2.5 miles away from the Hilton
> Anatole Hotel. Get Directions from Mapquest
> Here<http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Dallas&1s=TX&1a=2201+N+Stemmons+Fwy&1z=
> 75207-2801&1y=US&1l=32.801313&1g=-96.827068&1v=ADDRESS&2pn=Uptown+Bar+&+Gril
> l&2c=Dallas&2s=TX&2a=2523+McKinney+Ave&2z=75201&2y=US&2l=32.795399&2g=-96.80
> 2002&2v=ADDRESS&2id=263856644>
> .
>
> We are aware that the hotel does not have a shuttle, and so TABS is 
> pleased
> to announce that we will be providing transportation between the bar and
> hotel from 6:30pm-11:15pm at no cost to those who purchase a Southern 
> Strums
> ticket.
>
> Come support our Student Division while enjoying great food, drinks, music
> and mingling all for just $5!
>
> For more information, please visit:
>
> www.nfb-texas.org/tabs.html
>
>
>
> if you would like to participate in Southern Strums, email Juan Munoz at
> jcmunoz1989 at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> Juan Del Rosario
>
> President
>
> Texas Association of Blind Students
> 7823 Comal St.
>
> Houston TX. 77051
>
> Phone; 713-320-5519
> Email; delrosariomartinez.juan at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> -Juan Del Rosario
> President
> Texas Association of Blind Students
> www.nfb-texas.org/tabs.html
>


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From rloew at ETS.ORG  Wed Jun  9 17:29:20 2010
From: rloew at ETS.ORG (Loew, Ruth)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:29:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] blind students in ASL courses
Message-ID: <BA343F32003E4A40B7646F98EE9E23B809E6618E@rosnt115.etslan.org>

Hi - I'm a sighted lurker on this listserv.  I know many of you from
NABS meetings at the NFB Conventions and Washington Seminars.

I participate in another listserv for people who work with deaf and hard
of hearing college students.  Today someone raised an interesting
question: a blind student has registered for an ASL (American Sign
Language) class, and the Disability Services counselor is looking for
suggestions as to how to make the class accessible and meaningful.  

I know that some NABS members have taken ASL courses.  Do any of you
have ideas I could pass on to my colleagues?  You may contact me
off-list at RLoew at ets.org; or, if you think the discussion would be of
interest to others, feel free to post to the list, and I'll see your
responses there.  Thanks!

Ruth C. Loew, Ph.D.
Assistant Director
Office of Disability Policy, ETS



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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Jun  9 18:56:07 2010
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 11:56:07 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <AANLkTinKBiLK_FBwgwBmKr54nGG5i7VXpUUbkbx8uP8G@mail.gmail.com>

Hello fellow students,
 As you all know,  the National association of blind students is
planning a lot of exciting things at national convention. What you may
not know however is that we as a board  can’t do  all of it ourselves.
So we would  very much  appreciate your help in making  The nabs
activities a success this year!
 Where we would most appreciate your assistance is in two areas:
1.  assistance  in staffing the nabs table  located in the exhibit hall.
 Here you will be partnered up  with a nabs board member selling
water bottles and handing out nabs literature.  The schedule  for
tabling looks like this:
 Sunday, July 4:
 Shift  1. 9:00 a.m. – 11:30 a.m.
Shift 2. 11:30 a.m. – 2:15 p.m.
Shift 3. 2:15p.m. – 5:00 p.m.
Monday, July 5:
shift 4:  8:30 a.m. – 10:45 a.m.
Shift 5: 10:45 a.m. – 1:00 p.m.
Shift 6: 1:00 p.m. – 3:15 p.m.
Shift 7. 3:15 p.m. – 5:00p.m.
Tuesday, July 6:
Shift 8: 12 noon – 1:45 p.m.
Wendsday, July 7:
Shift 9:
12 noon – 1:45 p.m.



As you can see, we have  nine shifts, so  if you contact me with your
preference, I will be more  than happy to get you scheduled in!

2. Staffing the nabs monte carlo night fund raiser. This is a great
opportunity to work shoulder to shoulder with us  in putting together
one of our most successful events that we do.  For this we will  need:
 Individuals who can work  an early shift ( 7:00 p.m. - 9:30 p.m.
Those  individuals will be asked to either
a.	Marshal.
b.	Set up for the event
c.	Deal card games( blackjack, poker, holdemand other such games)
 We will also need Late shift workers (9:30 p.m. – 12:00 a.m.)  Those
individuals would be asked to:
a.	deal card games (blackjack, poker, holdem and other such games)
b.	assist with event clean- up and playing  chip  counting.

Please let me know what shift(s) you are interested in working
(exhibit hall, monte carlo or both). If Monte carlo,  please let me
know what job you would like to take on, if you would like to deal and
what games  you would like to deal (blackjack, poker, holdem or other
such games).
 This is a great opportunity for you to meet the nabs board, and us to
get to know you. As well, this is  an equally great opportunity for
you  to meet a lot of new people and have some fun at the same time.
 Please contact me by July 1 if interested.
 I can be contacted at: dsmithnfb at gmail.com

 Thank you   so much for your interest  and I look forward to hearing
from you all real soon
 And of course, See you in dallas!!!
  Best,
  Darian


-- 
Darian Smith
Board member
National Association of Blind Students

Skype: The_Blind_Truth
Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com
“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are
spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Jun  9 19:19:06 2010
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 12:19:06 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs needs your help at convention! are you in?
Message-ID: <AANLkTilXVW4dkT7bxvydpW4jmCKp3qst28zVsKnm2BX5@mail.gmail.com>

*sorry for the re-post folks. Wel, at least you can't say you didn't
get the message! :)
Hello fellow students,
 As you all know,  the National association of blind students is
planning a lot of exciting things at national convention. What you may
not know however is that we as a board  can’t do  all of it ourselves.
So we would  very much  appreciate your help in making  The nabs
activities a success this year!
 Where we would most appreciate your assistance is in two areas:
1.  assistance  in staffing the nabs table  located in the exhibit hall.
 Here you will be partnered up  with a nabs board member selling
water bottles and handing out nabs literature.  The schedule  for
tabling looks like this:
 Sunday, July 4:
 Shift  1. 9:00 a.m. – 11:30 a.m.
Shift 2. 11:30 a.m. – 2:15 p.m.
Shift 3. 2:15p.m. – 5:00 p.m.
Monday, July 5:
shift 4:  8:30 a.m. – 10:45 a.m.
Shift 5: 10:45 a.m. – 1:00 p.m.
Shift 6: 1:00 p.m. – 3:15 p.m.
Shift 7. 3:15 p.m. – 5:00p.m.
Tuesday, July 6:
Shift 8: 12 noon – 1:45 p.m.
Wendsday, July 7:
Shift 9:
12 noon – 1:45 p.m.



As you can see, we have  nine shifts, so  if you contact me with your
preference, I will be more  than happy to get you scheduled in!

2. Staffing the nabs monte carlo night fund raiser. This is a great
opportunity to work shoulder to shoulder with us  in putting together
one of our most successful events that we do.  For this we will  need:
 Individuals who can work  an early shift ( 7:00 p.m. - 9:30 p.m.
Those  individuals will be asked to either
a.	Marshal.
b.	Set up for the event
c.	Deal card games( blackjack, poker, holdemand other such games)
 We will also need Late shift workers (9:30 p.m. – 12:00 a.m.)  Those
individuals would be asked to:
a.	deal card games (blackjack, poker, holdem and other such games)
b.	assist with event clean- up and playing  chip  counting.

Please let me know what shift(s) you are interested in working
(exhibit hall, monte carlo or both). If Monte carlo,  please let me
know what job you would like to take on, if you would like to deal and
what games  you would like to deal (blackjack, poker, holdem or other
such games).
 This is a great opportunity for you to meet the nabs board, and us to
get to know you. As well, this is  an equally great opportunity for
you  to meet a lot of new people and have some fun at the same time.
 Please contact me by July 1 if interested.
 I can be contacted at: dsmithnfb at gmail.com

 Thank you   so much for your interest  and I look forward to hearing
from you all real soon
 And of course, See you in dallas!!!
  Best,
  Darian


-- 
Darian Smith
Board member
 National Association of blind students
Skype: The_Blind_Truth
Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com
“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are
spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin


From gera1027 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  9 19:35:18 2010
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 14:35:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Vacation tatus
Message-ID: <000301cb080a$e67a9700$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1>

Sorry for not knowing where to ask but could the moderators put me on 
vacation status? Please write me privately to let me know to whom to write 
to reestablish regular email status upon my return. Sorry again for the 
nature of the email.
Gerardo 



From serenacucco at verizon.net  Wed Jun  9 21:13:50 2010
From: serenacucco at verizon.net (Serena)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:13:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] blind students in ASL courses
References: <BA343F32003E4A40B7646F98EE9E23B809E6618E@rosnt115.etslan.org>
Message-ID: <7784BDB268834481B851837045B0D056@Serene>

Hi Ruth,

Although I'm not currently taking an ASL course, I'm learning it on my own 
to make communication with a deaf-blind friend easier.  The student you're 
referring to will need someone who knows tactile ASL (ASL signed into 
someone's hands) so the student will be able to understand the signs.  I 
also recommend that the student get 2 great books:

The Joy of Signing  I don't recall the author's name, but, if the student is 
a member of the National Library Service, he/she can get it in Web Braille 
from the NLS website.  The book teaches quite a bit about the grammar rules 
of ASL.  To give you and the student fair warning, one drawback of the book 
is that it includes so-called "signs" that deaf adults wouldn't really use. 
E.G. adding "ed" to a verb to make it past tense.  There is no past tense in 
ASL!  For this reason, I recommend an ASL pocket dictionary.

Marium Webster's Pocket American Sign Language Dictionary  This dictionary 
isn't available from NLS or any other resource for blind students.  Having 
said that, it's really worth the student's buying the print copy from Barns 
and Noble and having someone be a reader for any signs he/she wants 
clarification about!

Serena


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> NABS meetings at the NFB Conventions and Washington Seminars.
>
> I participate in another listserv for people who work with deaf and hard
> of hearing college students.  Today someone raised an interesting
> question: a blind student has registered for an ASL (American Sign
> Language) class, and the Disability Services counselor is looking for
> suggestions as to how to make the class accessible and meaningful.
>
> I know that some NABS members have taken ASL courses.  Do any of you
> have ideas I could pass on to my colleagues?  You may contact me
> off-list at RLoew at ets.org; or, if you think the discussion would be of
> interest to others, feel free to post to the list, and I'll see your
> responses there.  Thanks!
>
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From jorgeapaez at mac.com  Wed Jun  9 22:37:43 2010
From: jorgeapaez at mac.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 18:37:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] newsline
Message-ID: <7D8F08D0-C0CA-41D8-8186-09CD896A9527@mac.com>

Hi all.
Just had a quick question.
I used to have a newsline membership but forgot my id pin.
How can I do something so it is resent?

Thanks.

Jorge





From kc2992a at student.american.edu  Thu Jun 10 01:16:58 2010
From: kc2992a at student.american.edu (Katy Carroll)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 21:16:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] newsline
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*Hi Jorge,

I once lost my pin number and I called the number at Newsline, was able to
verify my info with someone and they gave me my PIN.

The #...
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On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com> wrote:

> Hi all.
> Just had a quick question.
> I used to have a newsline membership but forgot my id pin.
> How can I do something so it is resent?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 10 04:17:32 2010
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 00:17:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] newsline
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In most cases, there is a Newsline Coordinator in your state who can look up your information. I would suggest that you contact your state affiliate President to find out who this person is in your particular state. 
 
Hope this helps,
Elizabeth

 
> From: jorgeapaez at mac.com
> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 18:37:43 -0400
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] newsline
> 
> Hi all.
> Just had a quick question.
> I used to have a newsline membership but forgot my id pin.
> How can I do something so it is resent?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Jorge
> 
> 
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From kerrik2006 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 10 06:31:36 2010
From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 02:31:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
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Hi Arielle and All!

Thanks for all this info, and it was very helpful!

I dohave one question though.

The already-prepared meat sounds just like what I need as well as
pretty tasty/simple to cook!

We have Krogers where I live...would the specialty meat section be in
Krogers or is it just Safeway stores it's in?

I am just asking because I have never heard of these already-prepared
meats before and they sound really good!

I am going to have somebody help me label my oven and show me where
the knobs for the burners are.

I may just alternate between my toaster oven and my big oven depending
on how I feel and what I am making.

I will also make sure to have someone tell me which temperature the
toaster oven labels start on and I may actually remove a couple of
labels...I liked Arielle's idea of labeling every hundred degrees so
in between is 350!

Thanks again for all this...great thread, great tips...it was very helpful!

Kerri

On 6/9/10, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm sorry it's taken me a few days to respond to this thread. Here are
> some things that haven't been mentioned yet:
>
> Labeling: I think if you are a rehab client, you should be able to get
> someone to come and label your stove and ovens for free, although a
> sighted friend or reader should be able to do this with you in just a
> few minutes.
> I actually don't have any fancy Braille labeling technology at the
> moment, so I just have dots on my microwave and oven dial. I have one
> dot at 300 degrees and the  second dot at 400 degrees, so I know it's
> at 350 degrees when the dial is halfway between the two dots.
> Unless you are baking something like a cake or cookies, I don't think
> exact oven temperature is critical, if you're just cooking a casserole
> or piece of meat or fish.
> I have never felt the need to label my stove dial--I just ask someone
> to tell me which direction to turn it to get to "high". Usually once
> you get it on "high" if you keep turning the dial in the same
> direction, the temperature will go down to medium, and then low.
>
> -- I don't know how common this is, but the grocery chain here in CO
> (King Soopers/Kroger) has a specialty meat section where you can buy
> meat and chicken that are already seasoned and prepared, and all you
> have to do is bake it or cook it on a Foreman grill. For example,
> sometimes I will buy beef Wellingtons (individual steaks wrapped in
> phyllo dough), Black and Bleu burgers (jumbo meat patties seasoned
> with black pepper and stuffed with blue cheese), or chicken grillers
> (chicken breasts stuffed with meat, cheese, etc.) These prepared meats
> will come with cooking directions, which your assistant can read to
> you while you're in the store, and can be cooked in a toaster oven or
> on a Foreman grill.
> -- Many tasty and healthy side dishes can be cooked easily in the
> microwave including rice, Rice-a-Roni, fresh vegetables, whole
> potatoes (just poke a few holes in it with a fork first), or potato
> wedges. I've cooked rice and veggies both on  the stove and  in the
> microwave and I don't notice a big difference.  Combining some rice,
> potatoes or veggies with a baked  or grilled meat can make a
> satisfying and low-fuss meal that won't taste as processed as Easy Mac
> or hot dogs.
> -- As long as you have oven mitts, a regular oven should be just as
> safe as a toaster oven.
> -- To locate stove burners, make sure your stovetop is completely
> clear of clutter, turn on one of the burners, and then use your hand
> above the stovetop to feel for the heat and position your pan such
> that the flame is covered. If you can feel more heat on one side of
> the pan than the other, adjust the pan's position until the heat is
> covered up or even on both sides of the pan. As long as your stovetop
> is cleared of everything except the pan of food you are cooking, this
> isn't a fire hazard.
> -- To the very good instructions about browning meat on the stove, I
> would just add not to be afraid to use your hands, if you need to. For
> example, after washing my hands, I will often use them to break up the
> ground meat before I turn on the heat to cook it, and then wash my
> hands again (I'll also do this if I'm making a meat loaf). I might
> also take a little meat out of the pan and touch it to see if it's
> done, once it starts to feel done under the spatula (raw meat is
> slimy!) I don't see anything wrong with this as long as you wash your
> hands before and after touching food. In fact, I will often fill the
> sink up with warm soapy water while I am cooking and use it to rinse
> my hands periodically throughout the process.
> --For recipes, I stumbled on a good website,
> busycooks.about.com
> They have a lot of recipes designed to minimize time and effort
> including a collection of "five-ingredient" recipes, which I
> personally like because my kitchen is tiny and I don't have a lot of
> pantry space. However, these recipes are also very good. My only
> caution is that the recipes tend to be scaled for 4-6 people, so if
> you live alone, you'll probably want to cut the recipe in half, or
> freeze the leftovers.
> -- I will close by describing how to cook pasta, since that is one of
> my favorite foods. You will want to use a deep pot and preferably one
> that has two handles (handles don't get hot). I know most people
> advise listening to determine when the water is boiling, but I
> personally find it hard to discern with my ears when the water
> transitions from almost-boiling to boiling proper. So, what I will do
> is touch the handles of the pot and feel the vibrations, and when the
> handles are vibrating strongly and rhythmically, the water is boiling.
>
> Once the water boils simply add the pasta to the pot, wait for it to
> boil again and turn the heat down to medium. Different pasta boxes
> will suggest different cooking times; I will usually wait 5-7 minutes
> and then take a little out with a slotted spoon, run it under cold
> water and taste it to see when it is done (undercooked pasta will be
> very obvious!)
>
> To drain pasta I would recommend using a large colander that fills up
> most of your sink, especially if you're still learning. That way, if
> you don't quite line your pot up with the colander, most of the pasta
> will still end up in the colander rather than the sink. The big
> colanders are also less likely to tip if you bump them with the pot
> while trying to line up. Pouring pasta into a colander is pretty safe
> and easy, but if it makes you nervous, you can do it wearing oven
> gloves.
>
> I hope this is helpful, and feel free to continue asking these questions.
>
> Arielle
>
> On 6/6/10, Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello All!
>> Cooking is fun and infinitely healthier than frozen dinners or take
>> out, which will never taste the same. Part of it is that once you have
>> made your first fried egg, even if it looks like someone not so much
>> fried it as tried to kill it, you made it, and so you are damn well
>> sure to enjoy it. I belive there are some sort of cutting instruments
>> that help cut tomatoes and such straighter. But it is definitely a
>> matter of practice, and  remember you can always buy cherry tomatoes!
>> If it's your first time doing something, pay attention, and time
>> things. If your steak is a litter rarer than you wanted it, see how
>> long you cooked it for and then just add a few minutes. With meats,
>> use a moderate temp, since a very high  temp on the stove will ofter
>> burn the outside while letting the inside still raw. Ok, it's late so
>> I can't htink of anyhting else, but get a recipe book and an apron,
>> and go at it!
>> If no one else eats it there's more for you. Lol.
>> Mary
>>
>> On 6/6/10, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm… is that suppose to be some kind of subliminal message to buy some
>>> Wisconsin cheese curds at national convention provided that they are
>>> still
>>> selling them? Although I do agree that adding cheese, regardless of what
>>> kind it may be, has the tendency to make almost any kind of food taste
>>> better.
>>>
>>> But as for experimenting in the kitchen, my advice is that it never hurts
>>> to
>>> give it a try. I have always thought of cooking to be more of an art
>>> rather
>>> than a science, so if you somehow mess up and make a mistake, it just
>>> gives
>>> you an idea about what you might want to do or not do the next time you
>>> give
>>> it a try.
>>>
>>> And if your vegetables are not cut and chopped into the exact same shape
>>> and
>>> size, no one will probably notice but you. The fact that something is not
>>> cut perfectly only tells me that it must have been something home made
>>> which
>>> always seems to taste better than something that was bought at the store.
>>>
>>> And if you somehow manage to hurt yourself while cooking, chances are
>>> that
>>> you are not the only person that it has happened to and you will most
>>> likely
>>> live through the experience. I remember hearing Rachel Ray say that she
>>> cut
>>> herself on one of her first cooking shows which only shows that it can
>>> happen to anyone. But it also shows that it does not always have to be a
>>> big
>>> deal when it does happen.
>>>
>>> Anyways, happy cooking.
>>> Elizabeth
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 15:36:33 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking questions
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am just reading this cooking thread, and will throw in a few thoughts.
>>>> A
>>>> lot of good tips have been shared already, but here are a few others:
>>>>
>>>> First, let me caution you that not all ovens and/or stoves have controls
>>>> which work in the same way. I have had appliances where clockwise got
>>>> hotter
>>>> and where clockwise turned down the heat. Likewise with ovens. There is
>>>> no
>>>> standard. Verify how the controls work, and mark or label them in a
>>>> logical
>>>> way. As has been suggested, if your parents won't help you, have a
>>>> friend
>>>> do
>>>> it. While your parents certainly are well-intentioned they are limiting
>>>> you
>>>> completely unnecessarily. For many blind people, cooking is second
>>>> nature.
>>>> While I am no gourmet, I am certainly proficient in the kitchen, and
>>>> probably better than most males in their twenties.
>>>>
>>>> One general tip is to approach tasks in the kitchen systematically.
>>>> Whether
>>>> you are frosting a cake, breaking up ground beef or turkey, or mixing in
>>>> a
>>>> seasoning packet, use a consistent method. Don't just toss a chunk of
>>>> meet
>>>> in the pan and randomly stab at it with a spatula. While this will
>>>> surely
>>>> work to a degree, it is far more efficient and effective to, for
>>>> instance,
>>>> work your way around the outer edge of the meet, breaking it apart and
>>>> pushing the broken meet away from the large piece. This works especially
>>>> if
>>>> the meet you are browning is frozen. There are infinite other ways, but
>>>> have
>>>> an approach. As far as how to know when it is done, the feel is
>>>> important,
>>>> but you can also smell when meat is cooked. Between the sound, feel and
>>>> smell, it is not too difficult to determine; and, if you get it wrong
>>>> once
>>>> or twice, you know better for the next time.
>>>>
>>>> Don't be afraid of gas stoves. They, in my opinion, are better than
>>>> electric
>>>> ones. You can hear the gas click and the flame ignite on a gas stove.
>>>> You
>>>> can also gauge the intensity of the flame by holding your hand above it
>>>> or
>>>> listening to it.
>>>>
>>>> For cooking chicken, fish or burgers, I prefer a Forman grill. In fact,
>>>> I
>>>> just purchased a new one. Things taste better grilled (even if they are
>>>> fake
>>>> grilled indoors on an electric grill). This said, I am no stranger to
>>>> pan
>>>> frying, broiling and grilling an a gas grill. You can purchase tong-like
>>>> spatulas that allow you to grip a piece of meat and flip it over. I,
>>>> personally, just use a standard spatula. You can use your cooking
>>>> utensil
>>>> to
>>>> feel where things are. If you have two burgers in a frying pan, feel
>>>> where
>>>> they are with the spatula, find the edge of one, slide the spatula under
>>>> the
>>>> burger and lift it out of the pan. As was mentioned in another post, you
>>>> can
>>>> hold onto the handle of the pan to increase stability and ensure that
>>>> you
>>>> don't move the pan around. I often simply touch the top of the burger or
>>>> chicken breast with one hand while I slide the spatula underneath it.
>>>> Keep
>>>> in mind, the face up side of the meet is not going to be that hot. I
>>>> know
>>>> some people have a fair amount of uneasiness dealing with stovetop
>>>> cooking,
>>>> but, in reality, you can even touch the pan without injuring yourself,
>>>> as
>>>> long as you do so quickly. All of this applies equally to broiling and
>>>> grilling, except for the part about touching the pan. I wouldn't touch
>>>> the
>>>> grill.
>>>>
>>>> Using knives was not mentioned, but I know that knife use by blind folks
>>>> inspires paranoia among the general public as do few other things. So,
>>>> in
>>>> case anybody is wondering, let me assuring you that chopping, slicing,
>>>> dicing and mincing are all very doable without sight. The knife is in
>>>> one
>>>> hand, and you know where your other hand is, so don't cut it off. Ok,
>>>> that
>>>> sounds a bit flippant, but, seriously, it isn't like you're going to
>>>> hurt
>>>> yourself unless you are wielding the knife like a maniac, or, possibly,
>>>> if
>>>> one has very poor spatial awareness, which can be a legitimate concern.
>>>> When
>>>> slicing bread, cheese, tomatoes and the like, it can be difficult to
>>>> make
>>>> nice even slices. For the most part, practice is what will help you
>>>> there.
>>>> Two small tips: Hold the item you are slicing very steady and do not let
>>>> it
>>>> move or shift positions and when cutting be cognizant of the angle of
>>>> the
>>>> knife blade to the counter top. You want to keep the blade perpendicular
>>>> to
>>>> the surface on which you are working. The good news is that unevenly
>>>> sliced
>>>> sharp Wisconsin cheddar cheese is equally delicious to the evenly slice
>>>> variety. Unless you're preparing a party platter, don't sweat it too
>>>> much.
>>>> You will get better in time. And, tomatoes suck anyway.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to chop something, an onion for example, first cut it in
>>>> half
>>>> so
>>>> it has a flat surface upon which to rest. Then, place the tip of your
>>>> knife
>>>> on the cutting board with the blade facing down and the object to be
>>>> chopped
>>>> underneath it. I am right handed, so the knife is in my right hand. I
>>>> use
>>>> my
>>>> left hand to hold the onion steady and start with the knife at the right
>>>> side of the onion. Keep the knife tip on the cutting surface and
>>>> repeatedly
>>>> bring the blade down and raise it back up. Each time you make a cut, use
>>>> the knife to push what has been cut off to the side, in my case the
>>>> right
>>>> side, while keeping the knife tip stationary. Each time you cut, pivot
>>>> the
>>>> knife slightly toward your non-knife-holding hand. Repeat the process
>>>> until
>>>> the entire onion, or whatever else, is chopped.
>>>>
>>>> The bottom line is that a blind person can do anything in the kitchen
>>>> that
>>>> anybody else can do. Fears of injury, while understandable on some
>>>> level,
>>>> are ill-founded. As long as you think about what you are doing and
>>>> exercise
>>>> a reasonable level of caution, you will not injure yourself. Things
>>>> might
>>>> be
>>>> difficult until you get used to them, but you will never be able to get
>>>> used
>>>> to them unless you practice. Just go for it. Being able to cook is a
>>>> vital
>>>> part of being able to take care of yourself as an independent adult.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry this got so long. I never thought I would use the word "spatula"
>>>> so
>>>> many times in the course of 10 minutes!
>>>>
>>>> I hope that somebody finds something useful in this post. If nothing
>>>> else,
>>>> take it as an advertisement for delicious Wisconsin cheese.
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>>
>>>> Sean
>>>>
>>>>
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From liamskitten at gmail.com  Thu Jun 10 07:10:48 2010
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Courtney Stover)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 02:10:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
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Kerri,

Crogers does carry preprepared meats such as the microwaveable bacon
mentioned on this list.  They are in the ordinary meat section, but
they are usually on a separate shelf or separated in some other way
from the other meat.  However, they are not in a specialty section.
If you obtain assistance from a store employee with your shopping,
they should be able to spot them fairly easily.
Hope this helps,
Courtney

On 6/10/10, Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Arielle and All!
>
> Thanks for all this info, and it was very helpful!
>
> I dohave one question though.
>
> The already-prepared meat sounds just like what I need as well as
> pretty tasty/simple to cook!
>
> We have Krogers where I live...would the specialty meat section be in
> Krogers or is it just Safeway stores it's in?
>
> I am just asking because I have never heard of these already-prepared
> meats before and they sound really good!
>
> I am going to have somebody help me label my oven and show me where
> the knobs for the burners are.
>
> I may just alternate between my toaster oven and my big oven depending
> on how I feel and what I am making.
>
> I will also make sure to have someone tell me which temperature the
> toaster oven labels start on and I may actually remove a couple of
> labels...I liked Arielle's idea of labeling every hundred degrees so
> in between is 350!
>
> Thanks again for all this...great thread, great tips...it was very helpful!
>
> Kerri
>
> On 6/9/10, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm sorry it's taken me a few days to respond to this thread. Here are
>> some things that haven't been mentioned yet:
>>
>> Labeling: I think if you are a rehab client, you should be able to get
>> someone to come and label your stove and ovens for free, although a
>> sighted friend or reader should be able to do this with you in just a
>> few minutes.
>> I actually don't have any fancy Braille labeling technology at the
>> moment, so I just have dots on my microwave and oven dial. I have one
>> dot at 300 degrees and the  second dot at 400 degrees, so I know it's
>> at 350 degrees when the dial is halfway between the two dots.
>> Unless you are baking something like a cake or cookies, I don't think
>> exact oven temperature is critical, if you're just cooking a casserole
>> or piece of meat or fish.
>> I have never felt the need to label my stove dial--I just ask someone
>> to tell me which direction to turn it to get to "high". Usually once
>> you get it on "high" if you keep turning the dial in the same
>> direction, the temperature will go down to medium, and then low.
>>
>> -- I don't know how common this is, but the grocery chain here in CO
>> (King Soopers/Kroger) has a specialty meat section where you can buy
>> meat and chicken that are already seasoned and prepared, and all you
>> have to do is bake it or cook it on a Foreman grill. For example,
>> sometimes I will buy beef Wellingtons (individual steaks wrapped in
>> phyllo dough), Black and Bleu burgers (jumbo meat patties seasoned
>> with black pepper and stuffed with blue cheese), or chicken grillers
>> (chicken breasts stuffed with meat, cheese, etc.) These prepared meats
>> will come with cooking directions, which your assistant can read to
>> you while you're in the store, and can be cooked in a toaster oven or
>> on a Foreman grill.
>> -- Many tasty and healthy side dishes can be cooked easily in the
>> microwave including rice, Rice-a-Roni, fresh vegetables, whole
>> potatoes (just poke a few holes in it with a fork first), or potato
>> wedges. I've cooked rice and veggies both on  the stove and  in the
>> microwave and I don't notice a big difference.  Combining some rice,
>> potatoes or veggies with a baked  or grilled meat can make a
>> satisfying and low-fuss meal that won't taste as processed as Easy Mac
>> or hot dogs.
>> -- As long as you have oven mitts, a regular oven should be just as
>> safe as a toaster oven.
>> -- To locate stove burners, make sure your stovetop is completely
>> clear of clutter, turn on one of the burners, and then use your hand
>> above the stovetop to feel for the heat and position your pan such
>> that the flame is covered. If you can feel more heat on one side of
>> the pan than the other, adjust the pan's position until the heat is
>> covered up or even on both sides of the pan. As long as your stovetop
>> is cleared of everything except the pan of food you are cooking, this
>> isn't a fire hazard.
>> -- To the very good instructions about browning meat on the stove, I
>> would just add not to be afraid to use your hands, if you need to. For
>> example, after washing my hands, I will often use them to break up the
>> ground meat before I turn on the heat to cook it, and then wash my
>> hands again (I'll also do this if I'm making a meat loaf). I might
>> also take a little meat out of the pan and touch it to see if it's
>> done, once it starts to feel done under the spatula (raw meat is
>> slimy!) I don't see anything wrong with this as long as you wash your
>> hands before and after touching food. In fact, I will often fill the
>> sink up with warm soapy water while I am cooking and use it to rinse
>> my hands periodically throughout the process.
>> --For recipes, I stumbled on a good website,
>> busycooks.about.com
>> They have a lot of recipes designed to minimize time and effort
>> including a collection of "five-ingredient" recipes, which I
>> personally like because my kitchen is tiny and I don't have a lot of
>> pantry space. However, these recipes are also very good. My only
>> caution is that the recipes tend to be scaled for 4-6 people, so if
>> you live alone, you'll probably want to cut the recipe in half, or
>> freeze the leftovers.
>> -- I will close by describing how to cook pasta, since that is one of
>> my favorite foods. You will want to use a deep pot and preferably one
>> that has two handles (handles don't get hot). I know most people
>> advise listening to determine when the water is boiling, but I
>> personally find it hard to discern with my ears when the water
>> transitions from almost-boiling to boiling proper. So, what I will do
>> is touch the handles of the pot and feel the vibrations, and when the
>> handles are vibrating strongly and rhythmically, the water is boiling.
>>
>> Once the water boils simply add the pasta to the pot, wait for it to
>> boil again and turn the heat down to medium. Different pasta boxes
>> will suggest different cooking times; I will usually wait 5-7 minutes
>> and then take a little out with a slotted spoon, run it under cold
>> water and taste it to see when it is done (undercooked pasta will be
>> very obvious!)
>>
>> To drain pasta I would recommend using a large colander that fills up
>> most of your sink, especially if you're still learning. That way, if
>> you don't quite line your pot up with the colander, most of the pasta
>> will still end up in the colander rather than the sink. The big
>> colanders are also less likely to tip if you bump them with the pot
>> while trying to line up. Pouring pasta into a colander is pretty safe
>> and easy, but if it makes you nervous, you can do it wearing oven
>> gloves.
>>
>> I hope this is helpful, and feel free to continue asking these questions.
>>
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 6/6/10, Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello All!
>>> Cooking is fun and infinitely healthier than frozen dinners or take
>>> out, which will never taste the same. Part of it is that once you have
>>> made your first fried egg, even if it looks like someone not so much
>>> fried it as tried to kill it, you made it, and so you are damn well
>>> sure to enjoy it. I belive there are some sort of cutting instruments
>>> that help cut tomatoes and such straighter. But it is definitely a
>>> matter of practice, and  remember you can always buy cherry tomatoes!
>>> If it's your first time doing something, pay attention, and time
>>> things. If your steak is a litter rarer than you wanted it, see how
>>> long you cooked it for and then just add a few minutes. With meats,
>>> use a moderate temp, since a very high  temp on the stove will ofter
>>> burn the outside while letting the inside still raw. Ok, it's late so
>>> I can't htink of anyhting else, but get a recipe book and an apron,
>>> and go at it!
>>> If no one else eats it there's more for you. Lol.
>>> Mary
>>>
>>> On 6/6/10, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hmm… is that suppose to be some kind of subliminal message to buy some
>>>> Wisconsin cheese curds at national convention provided that they are
>>>> still
>>>> selling them? Although I do agree that adding cheese, regardless of what
>>>> kind it may be, has the tendency to make almost any kind of food taste
>>>> better.
>>>>
>>>> But as for experimenting in the kitchen, my advice is that it never
>>>> hurts
>>>> to
>>>> give it a try. I have always thought of cooking to be more of an art
>>>> rather
>>>> than a science, so if you somehow mess up and make a mistake, it just
>>>> gives
>>>> you an idea about what you might want to do or not do the next time you
>>>> give
>>>> it a try.
>>>>
>>>> And if your vegetables are not cut and chopped into the exact same shape
>>>> and
>>>> size, no one will probably notice but you. The fact that something is
>>>> not
>>>> cut perfectly only tells me that it must have been something home made
>>>> which
>>>> always seems to taste better than something that was bought at the
>>>> store.
>>>>
>>>> And if you somehow manage to hurt yourself while cooking, chances are
>>>> that
>>>> you are not the only person that it has happened to and you will most
>>>> likely
>>>> live through the experience. I remember hearing Rachel Ray say that she
>>>> cut
>>>> herself on one of her first cooking shows which only shows that it can
>>>> happen to anyone. But it also shows that it does not always have to be a
>>>> big
>>>> deal when it does happen.
>>>>
>>>> Anyways, happy cooking.
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 15:36:33 -0500
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking questions
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am just reading this cooking thread, and will throw in a few
>>>>> thoughts.
>>>>> A
>>>>> lot of good tips have been shared already, but here are a few others:
>>>>>
>>>>> First, let me caution you that not all ovens and/or stoves have
>>>>> controls
>>>>> which work in the same way. I have had appliances where clockwise got
>>>>> hotter
>>>>> and where clockwise turned down the heat. Likewise with ovens. There is
>>>>> no
>>>>> standard. Verify how the controls work, and mark or label them in a
>>>>> logical
>>>>> way. As has been suggested, if your parents won't help you, have a
>>>>> friend
>>>>> do
>>>>> it. While your parents certainly are well-intentioned they are limiting
>>>>> you
>>>>> completely unnecessarily. For many blind people, cooking is second
>>>>> nature.
>>>>> While I am no gourmet, I am certainly proficient in the kitchen, and
>>>>> probably better than most males in their twenties.
>>>>>
>>>>> One general tip is to approach tasks in the kitchen systematically.
>>>>> Whether
>>>>> you are frosting a cake, breaking up ground beef or turkey, or mixing
>>>>> in
>>>>> a
>>>>> seasoning packet, use a consistent method. Don't just toss a chunk of
>>>>> meet
>>>>> in the pan and randomly stab at it with a spatula. While this will
>>>>> surely
>>>>> work to a degree, it is far more efficient and effective to, for
>>>>> instance,
>>>>> work your way around the outer edge of the meet, breaking it apart and
>>>>> pushing the broken meet away from the large piece. This works
>>>>> especially
>>>>> if
>>>>> the meet you are browning is frozen. There are infinite other ways, but
>>>>> have
>>>>> an approach. As far as how to know when it is done, the feel is
>>>>> important,
>>>>> but you can also smell when meat is cooked. Between the sound, feel and
>>>>> smell, it is not too difficult to determine; and, if you get it wrong
>>>>> once
>>>>> or twice, you know better for the next time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't be afraid of gas stoves. They, in my opinion, are better than
>>>>> electric
>>>>> ones. You can hear the gas click and the flame ignite on a gas stove.
>>>>> You
>>>>> can also gauge the intensity of the flame by holding your hand above it
>>>>> or
>>>>> listening to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> For cooking chicken, fish or burgers, I prefer a Forman grill. In fact,
>>>>> I
>>>>> just purchased a new one. Things taste better grilled (even if they are
>>>>> fake
>>>>> grilled indoors on an electric grill). This said, I am no stranger to
>>>>> pan
>>>>> frying, broiling and grilling an a gas grill. You can purchase
>>>>> tong-like
>>>>> spatulas that allow you to grip a piece of meat and flip it over. I,
>>>>> personally, just use a standard spatula. You can use your cooking
>>>>> utensil
>>>>> to
>>>>> feel where things are. If you have two burgers in a frying pan, feel
>>>>> where
>>>>> they are with the spatula, find the edge of one, slide the spatula
>>>>> under
>>>>> the
>>>>> burger and lift it out of the pan. As was mentioned in another post,
>>>>> you
>>>>> can
>>>>> hold onto the handle of the pan to increase stability and ensure that
>>>>> you
>>>>> don't move the pan around. I often simply touch the top of the burger
>>>>> or
>>>>> chicken breast with one hand while I slide the spatula underneath it.
>>>>> Keep
>>>>> in mind, the face up side of the meet is not going to be that hot. I
>>>>> know
>>>>> some people have a fair amount of uneasiness dealing with stovetop
>>>>> cooking,
>>>>> but, in reality, you can even touch the pan without injuring yourself,
>>>>> as
>>>>> long as you do so quickly. All of this applies equally to broiling and
>>>>> grilling, except for the part about touching the pan. I wouldn't touch
>>>>> the
>>>>> grill.
>>>>>
>>>>> Using knives was not mentioned, but I know that knife use by blind
>>>>> folks
>>>>> inspires paranoia among the general public as do few other things. So,
>>>>> in
>>>>> case anybody is wondering, let me assuring you that chopping, slicing,
>>>>> dicing and mincing are all very doable without sight. The knife is in
>>>>> one
>>>>> hand, and you know where your other hand is, so don't cut it off. Ok,
>>>>> that
>>>>> sounds a bit flippant, but, seriously, it isn't like you're going to
>>>>> hurt
>>>>> yourself unless you are wielding the knife like a maniac, or, possibly,
>>>>> if
>>>>> one has very poor spatial awareness, which can be a legitimate concern.
>>>>> When
>>>>> slicing bread, cheese, tomatoes and the like, it can be difficult to
>>>>> make
>>>>> nice even slices. For the most part, practice is what will help you
>>>>> there.
>>>>> Two small tips: Hold the item you are slicing very steady and do not
>>>>> let
>>>>> it
>>>>> move or shift positions and when cutting be cognizant of the angle of
>>>>> the
>>>>> knife blade to the counter top. You want to keep the blade
>>>>> perpendicular
>>>>> to
>>>>> the surface on which you are working. The good news is that unevenly
>>>>> sliced
>>>>> sharp Wisconsin cheddar cheese is equally delicious to the evenly slice
>>>>> variety. Unless you're preparing a party platter, don't sweat it too
>>>>> much.
>>>>> You will get better in time. And, tomatoes suck anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want to chop something, an onion for example, first cut it in
>>>>> half
>>>>> so
>>>>> it has a flat surface upon which to rest. Then, place the tip of your
>>>>> knife
>>>>> on the cutting board with the blade facing down and the object to be
>>>>> chopped
>>>>> underneath it. I am right handed, so the knife is in my right hand. I
>>>>> use
>>>>> my
>>>>> left hand to hold the onion steady and start with the knife at the
>>>>> right
>>>>> side of the onion. Keep the knife tip on the cutting surface and
>>>>> repeatedly
>>>>> bring the blade down and raise it back up. Each time you make a cut,
>>>>> use
>>>>> the knife to push what has been cut off to the side, in my case the
>>>>> right
>>>>> side, while keeping the knife tip stationary. Each time you cut, pivot
>>>>> the
>>>>> knife slightly toward your non-knife-holding hand. Repeat the process
>>>>> until
>>>>> the entire onion, or whatever else, is chopped.
>>>>>
>>>>> The bottom line is that a blind person can do anything in the kitchen
>>>>> that
>>>>> anybody else can do. Fears of injury, while understandable on some
>>>>> level,
>>>>> are ill-founded. As long as you think about what you are doing and
>>>>> exercise
>>>>> a reasonable level of caution, you will not injure yourself. Things
>>>>> might
>>>>> be
>>>>> difficult until you get used to them, but you will never be able to get
>>>>> used
>>>>> to them unless you practice. Just go for it. Being able to cook is a
>>>>> vital
>>>>> part of being able to take care of yourself as an independent adult.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry this got so long. I never thought I would use the word "spatula"
>>>>> so
>>>>> many times in the course of 10 minutes!
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope that somebody finds something useful in this post. If nothing
>>>>> else,
>>>>> take it as an advertisement for delicious Wisconsin cheese.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sean
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> --
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>>> Emory University 2012
>>> P.O. Box 123056
>>> Atlanta Ga.
>>> 30322
>>> Phone: 732-857-7004
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>> Phone:  602-502-2255
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From brileyp at gmail.com  Thu Jun 10 13:57:14 2010
From: brileyp at gmail.com (Briley Pollard)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 08:57:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] blind students in ASL courses
In-Reply-To: <BA343F32003E4A40B7646F98EE9E23B809E6618E@rosnt115.etslan.org>
References: <BA343F32003E4A40B7646F98EE9E23B809E6618E@rosnt115.etslan.org>
Message-ID: <F5EE79B8-E06C-4246-B722-4EB595B276ED@gmail.com>

Hello,

Have you contacted the Deafblind division of the NFB? While this student isn't deafblind himself, I think they would have excellent suggestions as to how to accommodate the blind student for this course.

http://www.nfb.org/nfb/deaf-blind_resources.asp?SnID=2

This resource list may be of some use to you. 
Hope this helps.

Briley Pollard 
On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Loew, Ruth wrote:

> Hi - I'm a sighted lurker on this listserv.  I know many of you from
> NABS meetings at the NFB Conventions and Washington Seminars.
> 
> I participate in another listserv for people who work with deaf and hard
> of hearing college students.  Today someone raised an interesting
> question: a blind student has registered for an ASL (American Sign
> Language) class, and the Disability Services counselor is looking for
> suggestions as to how to make the class accessible and meaningful.  
> 
> I know that some NABS members have taken ASL courses.  Do any of you
> have ideas I could pass on to my colleagues?  You may contact me
> off-list at RLoew at ets.org; or, if you think the discussion would be of
> interest to others, feel free to post to the list, and I'll see your
> responses there.  Thanks!
> 
> Ruth C. Loew, Ph.D.
> Assistant Director
> Office of Disability Policy, ETS
> 
> 
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From jlastar at comcast.net  Thu Jun 10 18:20:37 2010
From: jlastar at comcast.net (Jennifer Applegate)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:20:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] scholarships
Message-ID: <000301cb08c9$a21c3f40$e654bdc0$@net>

Has anyone heard if they are a winner yet?


From nijat1989 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 10 19:31:16 2010
From: nijat1989 at gmail.com (Nijat Worley)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:31:16 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Need a roommate for convention?
Message-ID: <AANLkTinVy7AzYO1-o1TRDh1Epv53Qt-xkRGDnmJHr1k-@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings fellow students,
   this is Nijat, and  I was wondering if anybody needed a roommate
for the National Convention this July. If you need a roommate please
contact me off list. I have a room booked, and we can work out the
details. I just want one roommate. My e-mail is nijat1989 at gmail.com
   Thanks,
   Nijat


From trillian551 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 10 20:03:51 2010
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 16:03:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] scholarships
In-Reply-To: <000301cb08c9$a21c3f40$e654bdc0$@net>
References: <000301cb08c9$a21c3f40$e654bdc0$@net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikzTa0jkZd5E9ZR0hg2E2sQOUj-WWk9ienbpJWq@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Jennifer,
Yes, the list of scholarship winners was published, and all winners
have been notified. However, do not be discouraged if you applied,
many people apply more than once for a scholarship, and just getting
more involved in the NFB will help you grow over the next year.
Good luck in everything.
Mary


On 6/10/10, Jennifer Applegate <jlastar at comcast.net> wrote:
> Has anyone heard if they are a winner yet?
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From cowboy0210 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 10 20:29:42 2010
From: cowboy0210 at gmail.com (Kevin Ledford)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 14:29:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] 2009 National Federation of the Blind Annual Report is Now
	Available!
In-Reply-To: <000601cb08da$40f79050$c2e6b0f0$@net>
References: <000601cb08da$40f79050$c2e6b0f0$@net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikge3c8R2IpYjJNTzwA_NVfVoDpabYP5oU7Lg9m@mail.gmail.com>

The 2009 National Federation of the Blind Annual Report is Now Available!

Take a look back on all of the accomplishments of the National Federation of
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The 2009 Annual Report is available online as an accessible PDF file
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Report_Accessible.pdf)
or a BRF file
(<http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/documents/brf/2009_NFB_Annual_Report.BRF
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Thu Jun 10 21:03:24 2010
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 17:03:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] blind students in ASL courses
Message-ID: <20100610210324.24827.54285@web3>

Not necessarily. Many, if not most,  of the
deaf/blind folks in the NFB prefer assisted listening over ASL. that 
doesn't mean one shouldn't try to contact the Deaf/Blind division, I'm 
just saying that it might be difficult to get the information you 
request. You might also go to the American Association of the 
Deaf/Blind (AADB) web site at http://www.aadb.org.

I took ASL classes. I would highly recommend using a tactile 
interpreter. Your school's DSS should provide that service. Your 
tactile interpreter is responsible for signing anything she or he sees 
in the classroom and identifying who is signing what. Your interpreter 
can be Deaf or hearing depending on how your class is structured. 
Hopefully, your ASL instructor is Deaf and uses ASL on a pretty regular 
basis if not all the time.

You'll undoubtedly hit a few obstacles as you work in ASL. The fact is 
that both the Deaf and blind communities consider the deaf/blind to be 
more handicapped than themselves. (the Deaf community more than the 
blind). When I was taking ASL, I noticed that the Deaf people I signed 
to didn't know what to do with me. Once they figured out that I'm a 
tactile signer, they'd sign with me. Unfortunately, they grabbed my 
hands a lot because they didn't think I could follow their hands by 
touch to know what they were saying. In a large gathering of deaf 
people, it's also really difficult to interact because people can sign 
across the room from each other and you'd never know it. Once you find 
someone to talk to, you then meet the difficulties I've just described. 
I'd highly recommend making friends in the Deaf community and going to 
Deaf gatherings with them so they can help you break down those barriers.

Let me know by e-mail if you have any specific questions on tactile 
signing techniques. My e-mail is loneblindjedi at samobile.net.

Respectfully,
Jedi
Original message:
> Hello,

> Have you contacted the Deafblind division of the NFB? While this 
> student isn't deafblind himself, I think they would have excellent 
> suggestions as to how to accommodate the blind student for this course.

> http://www.nfb.org/nfb/deaf-blind_resources.asp?SnID=2

> This resource list may be of some use to you.
> Hope this helps.

> Briley Pollard
> On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Loew, Ruth wrote:

>> Hi - I'm a sighted lurker on this listserv.  I know many of you from
>> NABS meetings at the NFB Conventions and Washington Seminars.

>> I participate in another listserv for people who work with deaf and hard
>> of hearing college students.  Today someone raised an interesting
>> question: a blind student has registered for an ASL (American Sign
>> Language) class, and the Disability Services counselor is looking for
>> suggestions as to how to make the class accessible and meaningful.

>> I know that some NABS members have taken ASL courses.  Do any of you
>> have ideas I could pass on to my colleagues?  You may contact me
>> off-list at RLoew at ets.org; or, if you think the discussion would be of
>> interest to others, feel free to post to the list, and I'll see your
>> responses there.  Thanks!

>> Ruth C. Loew, Ph.D.
>> Assistant Director
>> Office of Disability Policy, ETS



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From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Jun 11 03:37:10 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:37:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Dallas/Fort Worth Restaurant Guide 2010
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>Here is the 2010 Restaurant Guide for our 2010 National Convention.


Dave




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From JHartle at nfb.org  Fri Jun 11 03:53:46 2010
From: JHartle at nfb.org (Hartle,
	Jesse)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 22:53:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Alert-Update on the Motor Vehicle Safety Act
 of 2010
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Fellow Federationists:

I am writing to report that all of our hard work on the issue of 
silent cars continues to pay off.  Language that will protect the 
blind and others from the danger posed by silent hybrid and electric 
vehicles has been favorably reported to the United States Senate by 
the Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation as part of the 
Motor Vehicle Safety Act of 2010 (S. 3302).  This legislation, which 
is a comprehensive bill to address numerous vehicle safety issues 
raised by the recent Toyota recalls, now includes language agreed to 
by the National Federation of the Blind and others.  This language, 
if enacted into law, will require the Department of Transportation to 
issue regulations requiring a minimum sound standard for hybrid and 
electric automobiles.

This victory is a product of our hard work and the cooperation of the 
automobile industry, but we will need to remain vigilant to make sure 
that this language becomes law.  The House and Senate must still pass 
their respective versions of the Motor Vehicle Safety Act of 2010, 
and then any differences between the bills will have to be reconciled 
in a conference committee.  We will keep you apprised of developments 
and let you know when action needs to be taken to secure a final 
victory that will protect the blind and others from the dangers posed 
by silent vehicle technology.

Thank you again for all you do.

Jesse M. Hartle
Government Programs Specialist
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
Telephone:  (410) 659-9314, extension 2233
E-mail: <mailto:jhartle at nfb.org>jhartle at nfb.org

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From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 11 05:30:46 2010
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 01:30:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
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Hi, Kerry and all,
  Thanks so much for all the great cooking tips you have shared on
this thread. I have been following it closely, and since getting my
own apartment is my next goal in terms of independent living this is
definitely very helpful. One question though: Does any of you have
stores in your area where you can order groceries on-line and they
will deliver it to you? How does that experience compare to shopping
with an assistant from the store? I have heard that this service works
very well for some people, and I do have such a store (Stop&Shop) in
my town, so I just want to hear your thoughts. Thanks again!
   Katie

On 6/10/10, Courtney Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com> wrote:
> Kerri,
>
> Crogers does carry preprepared meats such as the microwaveable bacon
> mentioned on this list.  They are in the ordinary meat section, but
> they are usually on a separate shelf or separated in some other way
> from the other meat.  However, they are not in a specialty section.
> If you obtain assistance from a store employee with your shopping,
> they should be able to spot them fairly easily.
> Hope this helps,
> Courtney
>
> On 6/10/10, Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Arielle and All!
>>
>> Thanks for all this info, and it was very helpful!
>>
>> I dohave one question though.
>>
>> The already-prepared meat sounds just like what I need as well as
>> pretty tasty/simple to cook!
>>
>> We have Krogers where I live...would the specialty meat section be in
>> Krogers or is it just Safeway stores it's in?
>>
>> I am just asking because I have never heard of these already-prepared
>> meats before and they sound really good!
>>
>> I am going to have somebody help me label my oven and show me where
>> the knobs for the burners are.
>>
>> I may just alternate between my toaster oven and my big oven depending
>> on how I feel and what I am making.
>>
>> I will also make sure to have someone tell me which temperature the
>> toaster oven labels start on and I may actually remove a couple of
>> labels...I liked Arielle's idea of labeling every hundred degrees so
>> in between is 350!
>>
>> Thanks again for all this...great thread, great tips...it was very
>> helpful!
>>
>> Kerri
>>
>> On 6/9/10, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm sorry it's taken me a few days to respond to this thread. Here are
>>> some things that haven't been mentioned yet:
>>>
>>> Labeling: I think if you are a rehab client, you should be able to get
>>> someone to come and label your stove and ovens for free, although a
>>> sighted friend or reader should be able to do this with you in just a
>>> few minutes.
>>> I actually don't have any fancy Braille labeling technology at the
>>> moment, so I just have dots on my microwave and oven dial. I have one
>>> dot at 300 degrees and the  second dot at 400 degrees, so I know it's
>>> at 350 degrees when the dial is halfway between the two dots.
>>> Unless you are baking something like a cake or cookies, I don't think
>>> exact oven temperature is critical, if you're just cooking a casserole
>>> or piece of meat or fish.
>>> I have never felt the need to label my stove dial--I just ask someone
>>> to tell me which direction to turn it to get to "high". Usually once
>>> you get it on "high" if you keep turning the dial in the same
>>> direction, the temperature will go down to medium, and then low.
>>>
>>> -- I don't know how common this is, but the grocery chain here in CO
>>> (King Soopers/Kroger) has a specialty meat section where you can buy
>>> meat and chicken that are already seasoned and prepared, and all you
>>> have to do is bake it or cook it on a Foreman grill. For example,
>>> sometimes I will buy beef Wellingtons (individual steaks wrapped in
>>> phyllo dough), Black and Bleu burgers (jumbo meat patties seasoned
>>> with black pepper and stuffed with blue cheese), or chicken grillers
>>> (chicken breasts stuffed with meat, cheese, etc.) These prepared meats
>>> will come with cooking directions, which your assistant can read to
>>> you while you're in the store, and can be cooked in a toaster oven or
>>> on a Foreman grill.
>>> -- Many tasty and healthy side dishes can be cooked easily in the
>>> microwave including rice, Rice-a-Roni, fresh vegetables, whole
>>> potatoes (just poke a few holes in it with a fork first), or potato
>>> wedges. I've cooked rice and veggies both on  the stove and  in the
>>> microwave and I don't notice a big difference.  Combining some rice,
>>> potatoes or veggies with a baked  or grilled meat can make a
>>> satisfying and low-fuss meal that won't taste as processed as Easy Mac
>>> or hot dogs.
>>> -- As long as you have oven mitts, a regular oven should be just as
>>> safe as a toaster oven.
>>> -- To locate stove burners, make sure your stovetop is completely
>>> clear of clutter, turn on one of the burners, and then use your hand
>>> above the stovetop to feel for the heat and position your pan such
>>> that the flame is covered. If you can feel more heat on one side of
>>> the pan than the other, adjust the pan's position until the heat is
>>> covered up or even on both sides of the pan. As long as your stovetop
>>> is cleared of everything except the pan of food you are cooking, this
>>> isn't a fire hazard.
>>> -- To the very good instructions about browning meat on the stove, I
>>> would just add not to be afraid to use your hands, if you need to. For
>>> example, after washing my hands, I will often use them to break up the
>>> ground meat before I turn on the heat to cook it, and then wash my
>>> hands again (I'll also do this if I'm making a meat loaf). I might
>>> also take a little meat out of the pan and touch it to see if it's
>>> done, once it starts to feel done under the spatula (raw meat is
>>> slimy!) I don't see anything wrong with this as long as you wash your
>>> hands before and after touching food. In fact, I will often fill the
>>> sink up with warm soapy water while I am cooking and use it to rinse
>>> my hands periodically throughout the process.
>>> --For recipes, I stumbled on a good website,
>>> busycooks.about.com
>>> They have a lot of recipes designed to minimize time and effort
>>> including a collection of "five-ingredient" recipes, which I
>>> personally like because my kitchen is tiny and I don't have a lot of
>>> pantry space. However, these recipes are also very good. My only
>>> caution is that the recipes tend to be scaled for 4-6 people, so if
>>> you live alone, you'll probably want to cut the recipe in half, or
>>> freeze the leftovers.
>>> -- I will close by describing how to cook pasta, since that is one of
>>> my favorite foods. You will want to use a deep pot and preferably one
>>> that has two handles (handles don't get hot). I know most people
>>> advise listening to determine when the water is boiling, but I
>>> personally find it hard to discern with my ears when the water
>>> transitions from almost-boiling to boiling proper. So, what I will do
>>> is touch the handles of the pot and feel the vibrations, and when the
>>> handles are vibrating strongly and rhythmically, the water is boiling.
>>>
>>> Once the water boils simply add the pasta to the pot, wait for it to
>>> boil again and turn the heat down to medium. Different pasta boxes
>>> will suggest different cooking times; I will usually wait 5-7 minutes
>>> and then take a little out with a slotted spoon, run it under cold
>>> water and taste it to see when it is done (undercooked pasta will be
>>> very obvious!)
>>>
>>> To drain pasta I would recommend using a large colander that fills up
>>> most of your sink, especially if you're still learning. That way, if
>>> you don't quite line your pot up with the colander, most of the pasta
>>> will still end up in the colander rather than the sink. The big
>>> colanders are also less likely to tip if you bump them with the pot
>>> while trying to line up. Pouring pasta into a colander is pretty safe
>>> and easy, but if it makes you nervous, you can do it wearing oven
>>> gloves.
>>>
>>> I hope this is helpful, and feel free to continue asking these questions.
>>>
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>> On 6/6/10, Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello All!
>>>> Cooking is fun and infinitely healthier than frozen dinners or take
>>>> out, which will never taste the same. Part of it is that once you have
>>>> made your first fried egg, even if it looks like someone not so much
>>>> fried it as tried to kill it, you made it, and so you are damn well
>>>> sure to enjoy it. I belive there are some sort of cutting instruments
>>>> that help cut tomatoes and such straighter. But it is definitely a
>>>> matter of practice, and  remember you can always buy cherry tomatoes!
>>>> If it's your first time doing something, pay attention, and time
>>>> things. If your steak is a litter rarer than you wanted it, see how
>>>> long you cooked it for and then just add a few minutes. With meats,
>>>> use a moderate temp, since a very high  temp on the stove will ofter
>>>> burn the outside while letting the inside still raw. Ok, it's late so
>>>> I can't htink of anyhting else, but get a recipe book and an apron,
>>>> and go at it!
>>>> If no one else eats it there's more for you. Lol.
>>>> Mary
>>>>
>>>> On 6/6/10, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmm… is that suppose to be some kind of subliminal message to buy some
>>>>> Wisconsin cheese curds at national convention provided that they are
>>>>> still
>>>>> selling them? Although I do agree that adding cheese, regardless of
>>>>> what
>>>>> kind it may be, has the tendency to make almost any kind of food taste
>>>>> better.
>>>>>
>>>>> But as for experimenting in the kitchen, my advice is that it never
>>>>> hurts
>>>>> to
>>>>> give it a try. I have always thought of cooking to be more of an art
>>>>> rather
>>>>> than a science, so if you somehow mess up and make a mistake, it just
>>>>> gives
>>>>> you an idea about what you might want to do or not do the next time you
>>>>> give
>>>>> it a try.
>>>>>
>>>>> And if your vegetables are not cut and chopped into the exact same
>>>>> shape
>>>>> and
>>>>> size, no one will probably notice but you. The fact that something is
>>>>> not
>>>>> cut perfectly only tells me that it must have been something home made
>>>>> which
>>>>> always seems to taste better than something that was bought at the
>>>>> store.
>>>>>
>>>>> And if you somehow manage to hurt yourself while cooking, chances are
>>>>> that
>>>>> you are not the only person that it has happened to and you will most
>>>>> likely
>>>>> live through the experience. I remember hearing Rachel Ray say that she
>>>>> cut
>>>>> herself on one of her first cooking shows which only shows that it can
>>>>> happen to anyone. But it also shows that it does not always have to be
>>>>> a
>>>>> big
>>>>> deal when it does happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyways, happy cooking.
>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com
>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 15:36:33 -0500
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking questions
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am just reading this cooking thread, and will throw in a few
>>>>>> thoughts.
>>>>>> A
>>>>>> lot of good tips have been shared already, but here are a few others:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, let me caution you that not all ovens and/or stoves have
>>>>>> controls
>>>>>> which work in the same way. I have had appliances where clockwise got
>>>>>> hotter
>>>>>> and where clockwise turned down the heat. Likewise with ovens. There
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> standard. Verify how the controls work, and mark or label them in a
>>>>>> logical
>>>>>> way. As has been suggested, if your parents won't help you, have a
>>>>>> friend
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> it. While your parents certainly are well-intentioned they are
>>>>>> limiting
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> completely unnecessarily. For many blind people, cooking is second
>>>>>> nature.
>>>>>> While I am no gourmet, I am certainly proficient in the kitchen, and
>>>>>> probably better than most males in their twenties.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One general tip is to approach tasks in the kitchen systematically.
>>>>>> Whether
>>>>>> you are frosting a cake, breaking up ground beef or turkey, or mixing
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> seasoning packet, use a consistent method. Don't just toss a chunk of
>>>>>> meet
>>>>>> in the pan and randomly stab at it with a spatula. While this will
>>>>>> surely
>>>>>> work to a degree, it is far more efficient and effective to, for
>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>> work your way around the outer edge of the meet, breaking it apart and
>>>>>> pushing the broken meet away from the large piece. This works
>>>>>> especially
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> the meet you are browning is frozen. There are infinite other ways,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> an approach. As far as how to know when it is done, the feel is
>>>>>> important,
>>>>>> but you can also smell when meat is cooked. Between the sound, feel
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> smell, it is not too difficult to determine; and, if you get it wrong
>>>>>> once
>>>>>> or twice, you know better for the next time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't be afraid of gas stoves. They, in my opinion, are better than
>>>>>> electric
>>>>>> ones. You can hear the gas click and the flame ignite on a gas stove.
>>>>>> You
>>>>>> can also gauge the intensity of the flame by holding your hand above
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> listening to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For cooking chicken, fish or burgers, I prefer a Forman grill. In
>>>>>> fact,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> just purchased a new one. Things taste better grilled (even if they
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> fake
>>>>>> grilled indoors on an electric grill). This said, I am no stranger to
>>>>>> pan
>>>>>> frying, broiling and grilling an a gas grill. You can purchase
>>>>>> tong-like
>>>>>> spatulas that allow you to grip a piece of meat and flip it over. I,
>>>>>> personally, just use a standard spatula. You can use your cooking
>>>>>> utensil
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> feel where things are. If you have two burgers in a frying pan, feel
>>>>>> where
>>>>>> they are with the spatula, find the edge of one, slide the spatula
>>>>>> under
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> burger and lift it out of the pan. As was mentioned in another post,
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> hold onto the handle of the pan to increase stability and ensure that
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> don't move the pan around. I often simply touch the top of the burger
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> chicken breast with one hand while I slide the spatula underneath it.
>>>>>> Keep
>>>>>> in mind, the face up side of the meet is not going to be that hot. I
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> some people have a fair amount of uneasiness dealing with stovetop
>>>>>> cooking,
>>>>>> but, in reality, you can even touch the pan without injuring yourself,
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> long as you do so quickly. All of this applies equally to broiling and
>>>>>> grilling, except for the part about touching the pan. I wouldn't touch
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> grill.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Using knives was not mentioned, but I know that knife use by blind
>>>>>> folks
>>>>>> inspires paranoia among the general public as do few other things. So,
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> case anybody is wondering, let me assuring you that chopping, slicing,
>>>>>> dicing and mincing are all very doable without sight. The knife is in
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> hand, and you know where your other hand is, so don't cut it off. Ok,
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> sounds a bit flippant, but, seriously, it isn't like you're going to
>>>>>> hurt
>>>>>> yourself unless you are wielding the knife like a maniac, or,
>>>>>> possibly,
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> one has very poor spatial awareness, which can be a legitimate
>>>>>> concern.
>>>>>> When
>>>>>> slicing bread, cheese, tomatoes and the like, it can be difficult to
>>>>>> make
>>>>>> nice even slices. For the most part, practice is what will help you
>>>>>> there.
>>>>>> Two small tips: Hold the item you are slicing very steady and do not
>>>>>> let
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> move or shift positions and when cutting be cognizant of the angle of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> knife blade to the counter top. You want to keep the blade
>>>>>> perpendicular
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the surface on which you are working. The good news is that unevenly
>>>>>> sliced
>>>>>> sharp Wisconsin cheddar cheese is equally delicious to the evenly
>>>>>> slice
>>>>>> variety. Unless you're preparing a party platter, don't sweat it too
>>>>>> much.
>>>>>> You will get better in time. And, tomatoes suck anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want to chop something, an onion for example, first cut it in
>>>>>> half
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> it has a flat surface upon which to rest. Then, place the tip of your
>>>>>> knife
>>>>>> on the cutting board with the blade facing down and the object to be
>>>>>> chopped
>>>>>> underneath it. I am right handed, so the knife is in my right hand. I
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> left hand to hold the onion steady and start with the knife at the
>>>>>> right
>>>>>> side of the onion. Keep the knife tip on the cutting surface and
>>>>>> repeatedly
>>>>>> bring the blade down and raise it back up. Each time you make a cut,
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> the knife to push what has been cut off to the side, in my case the
>>>>>> right
>>>>>> side, while keeping the knife tip stationary. Each time you cut, pivot
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> knife slightly toward your non-knife-holding hand. Repeat the process
>>>>>> until
>>>>>> the entire onion, or whatever else, is chopped.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The bottom line is that a blind person can do anything in the kitchen
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> anybody else can do. Fears of injury, while understandable on some
>>>>>> level,
>>>>>> are ill-founded. As long as you think about what you are doing and
>>>>>> exercise
>>>>>> a reasonable level of caution, you will not injure yourself. Things
>>>>>> might
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> difficult until you get used to them, but you will never be able to
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> used
>>>>>> to them unless you practice. Just go for it. Being able to cook is a
>>>>>> vital
>>>>>> part of being able to take care of yourself as an independent adult.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry this got so long. I never thought I would use the word "spatula"
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> many times in the course of 10 minutes!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope that somebody finds something useful in this post. If nothing
>>>>>> else,
>>>>>> take it as an advertisement for delicious Wisconsin cheese.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>> --
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>>>> Emory University 2012
>>>> P.O. Box 123056
>>>> Atlanta Ga.
>>>> 30322
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>>> Arielle Silverman
>>> President, National Association of Blind Students
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 11 05:21:33 2010
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 01:21:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking Good at the Hair Salon
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Hello List,
 
I understand this may be a bit off topic for the list, but I have a few questions regarding personal grooming after coming home from a trip to the hair salon. I understand I could have talked more with my stylist about what I was looking for before she cut my hair, but at the time, I simply wanted her to cut it before I decided to change my mind. However, I am curious, what kind of techniques do you use as a blind person when visiting the hair salon? 
 
I remember being able to comb through the pages of fashion magazines when I was looking to change my hairstyle as a teenager. However, now that I have lost a considerable amount of vision, I seem to find myself at a bit of a loss as to what to do. If I can no longer flip through the pages of a fashion magazine when I am looking to do something a bit different with my style, then what else is there for me to do?
 
Any suggestions would be appreciated as I contemplate going back and getting something else besides a basic haircut. 
 
Thanks,
Elizabeth
 
 		 	   		  
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From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Jun 11 05:31:15 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 00:31:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Updated JAWS scripts for Thunderbird, Firefox,
 and  Internet Explorer
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>Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 07:55:27 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Jamal Mazrui <empower at smart.net>
>Subject: Updated JAWS scripts for Thunderbird, Firefox, and Internet Explorer
>
>Scripts for Thunderbird
>http://EmpowermentZone.com/tb_scr.exe
>
>or substitute the .zip extension for a manual install.
>
>Changes in version 2.6:
>
>Added more reliable and mnemonic support for querying message 
>fields, whether in a message list or body:  Alt+Shift+F for the From 
>field, Alt+Shift+T for the To field, Alt+Shift+C for the CC field, 
>Alt+Shift+B for the BCC field, and Alt+Shift+S for the subject 
>field.  When pressed twice quickly, the text is copied to the 
>clipboard.  This allows, for example, replying directly to the 
>sender of a list message by pressing Alt+Shift+F twice, pressing 
>Control+R, then pasting in the To field. Alt+0 may still be used to 
>hear all fields at once, or display them in the virtual viewer if 
>pressed twice.
>
>Added Alt+Shift+Space as a hotkey for the Web Client Utilities menu, 
>creating command consistency with the EdSharp text editor,
>http://EmpowermentZone.com/edsetup.exe
>
>and FileDir file manager,
>http://EmpowermentZone.com/dirsetup.exe
>
>Note that the 35 web client utilities are not installed with the 
>Thunderbird scripts.  The scripts just make the utilities easy to 
>access if Thunderbird is the active application.  The web client 
>utilities may be installed with the scripts for Firefox or Internet Explorer.
>
>Fixed compatibility of the script installer with 64-bit Windows 7.
>
>An audio tutorial on Thunderbird has been done by Raul Gallegos of 
>GW Micro, and is available at
>http://www.blind-geek-zone.net/audio/thunderbird_tutorial_mono_by_raul_part1.mp3
>
>
>----------
>
>Scripts for Firefox
>http://EmpowermentZone.com/FxMax.exe
>
>and Internet Explorer
>http://EmpowermentZone.com/IEMax.exe
>
>or .zip for a manual install.
>
>Changes in version 1.3:
>
>Made miscellaneous bug fixes to the routines in the Homer script 
>component (Homer.wsc), which is also separately available at
>http://EmpowermentZone.com/HomerJax.zip
>
>Changed logic to load that component only once, rather than loading 
>or unloading it each time the browser is activated or 
>deactivated.  This should minimize the situations that have resulted 
>in the message "Error loading Homer COM object!"
>
>Made changes to help ensure that all keys defined in the browser 
>scripts by Freedom Scientific are supported, e.g., JAWSKey+F8 to 
>read the IE toolbar.  Made the Copy All and Read All commands, 
>Control+F8 and Alt+F8, operate on the browser's textual view of the 
>page, rather than on the screen reader's virtual view, thus 
>eliminating meta data like "list of 5 items."
>
>Included the latest, 35 web client utilities with various fixes and 
>enhancements, a collection that is also separately available with 
>the InPy custom Python interpreter,
>http://EmpowermentZone.com/InPy.zip
>
>Added Alt+Shift+Space as a hotkey for the Web Client Utilities menu, 
>creating command consistency with other applications and script sets 
>that also use these utilities.
>
>Fixed compatibility of the script installer with 64-bit Windows 7.
>
>
>Jamal

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From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Jun 11 05:49:22 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 00:49:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: NCLB Braille Testing at NFB National Convention
 Registration Extended
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>From: "Louise Walch" <braille at nbpcb.org>
>To: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
>Cc: <deja.powell at gmail.com>
>Subject: NCLB Braille Testing at NFB National Convention
>Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 10:52:40 -0500
>
>
>Testing for National Certification in Literary Braille (NCLB). will 
>be held this July 4th & 5th at this year's NFB National Convention 
>in Dallass. The application deadline has been extended to June 25th. 
>Details are below:
>
>Date: Sunday and Monday, July 4-5, 2010
>
>Time: 1-5pm on both days
>
>Location:
>Hilton Anatole Hotel
>2201 Stemmons Freeway
>Dallas, Texas 75207
>
>Cost: $250 (or $75 per single section)
>
>Application deadline: Friday, June 25, 2010
>
>*Unless otherwise notified, candidates must be present for all four 
>sections. Sections one and two will be offered on Sunday, july 4, 
>and sections three and four will be offered on Monday, July 5. 
>Alternative testing may be available on a very limited basis.
>
>To apply online go to:
>
><https://nbpcb.org/members/login.php?r=/members/er.php?eid=41>https://nbpcb.org/members/login.php?r=/members/er.php?eid=41
>
>For further information please contact Louise Walch, NCLB 
>coordinator at <mailto:braille at nbpcb.org>braille at nbpcb.org or call 
>318-257-4554.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Louise
>
>Louise G. Walch
>NBPCB Coordinator
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From graduate56 at juno.com  Fri Jun 11 06:28:08 2010
From: graduate56 at juno.com (Melissa Green)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 00:28:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] scholarships
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If you haven't heard by now about winning a scholarship.
You probably didn't win.
On another note, as a former scholarship winner I would like to congratulate 
all of this year's winners.


Have a blessed day.
Warmly,
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> Has anyone heard if they are a winner yet?
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Fri Jun 11 11:05:41 2010
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:05:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
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Ordering online works very well if one can do it. The thing is that they usually deliver relatively large amounts of groceries to you. In other words, you can order everything you will need for one or two weeks, but if you only need a couple of onions and some salt, they probably won't send it alone. Or if they do, they will charge a lot. I also like being able to choose certain things while at the store, such as fruits or vegetables. But that's really just a matter of preference. An other potential problem about ordering groceries online is that, given that you won't get to talk to anyone in the actual store, you won't be able to ask them to read cooking instructions on packages for you. If you know the products you're buying, this won't be a problem, though.

Ignasi
On Jun 11, 2010, at 1:30 AM, Katie Wang wrote:

> Hi, Kerry and all,
>  Thanks so much for all the great cooking tips you have shared on
> this thread. I have been following it closely, and since getting my
> own apartment is my next goal in terms of independent living this is
> definitely very helpful. One question though: Does any of you have
> stores in your area where you can order groceries on-line and they
> will deliver it to you? How does that experience compare to shopping
> with an assistant from the store? I have heard that this service works
> very well for some people, and I do have such a store (Stop&Shop) in
> my town, so I just want to hear your thoughts. Thanks again!
>   Katie
> 
> On 6/10/10, Courtney Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Kerri,
>> 
>> Crogers does carry preprepared meats such as the microwaveable bacon
>> mentioned on this list.  They are in the ordinary meat section, but
>> they are usually on a separate shelf or separated in some other way
>> from the other meat.  However, they are not in a specialty section.
>> If you obtain assistance from a store employee with your shopping,
>> they should be able to spot them fairly easily.
>> Hope this helps,
>> Courtney
>> 
>> On 6/10/10, Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Arielle and All!
>>> 
>>> Thanks for all this info, and it was very helpful!
>>> 
>>> I dohave one question though.
>>> 
>>> The already-prepared meat sounds just like what I need as well as
>>> pretty tasty/simple to cook!
>>> 
>>> We have Krogers where I live...would the specialty meat section be in
>>> Krogers or is it just Safeway stores it's in?
>>> 
>>> I am just asking because I have never heard of these already-prepared
>>> meats before and they sound really good!
>>> 
>>> I am going to have somebody help me label my oven and show me where
>>> the knobs for the burners are.
>>> 
>>> I may just alternate between my toaster oven and my big oven depending
>>> on how I feel and what I am making.
>>> 
>>> I will also make sure to have someone tell me which temperature the
>>> toaster oven labels start on and I may actually remove a couple of
>>> labels...I liked Arielle's idea of labeling every hundred degrees so
>>> in between is 350!
>>> 
>>> Thanks again for all this...great thread, great tips...it was very
>>> helpful!
>>> 
>>> Kerri
>>> 
>>> On 6/9/10, Arielle Silverman <nabs.president at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm sorry it's taken me a few days to respond to this thread. Here are
>>>> some things that haven't been mentioned yet:
>>>> 
>>>> Labeling: I think if you are a rehab client, you should be able to get
>>>> someone to come and label your stove and ovens for free, although a
>>>> sighted friend or reader should be able to do this with you in just a
>>>> few minutes.
>>>> I actually don't have any fancy Braille labeling technology at the
>>>> moment, so I just have dots on my microwave and oven dial. I have one
>>>> dot at 300 degrees and the  second dot at 400 degrees, so I know it's
>>>> at 350 degrees when the dial is halfway between the two dots.
>>>> Unless you are baking something like a cake or cookies, I don't think
>>>> exact oven temperature is critical, if you're just cooking a casserole
>>>> or piece of meat or fish.
>>>> I have never felt the need to label my stove dial--I just ask someone
>>>> to tell me which direction to turn it to get to "high". Usually once
>>>> you get it on "high" if you keep turning the dial in the same
>>>> direction, the temperature will go down to medium, and then low.
>>>> 
>>>> -- I don't know how common this is, but the grocery chain here in CO
>>>> (King Soopers/Kroger) has a specialty meat section where you can buy
>>>> meat and chicken that are already seasoned and prepared, and all you
>>>> have to do is bake it or cook it on a Foreman grill. For example,
>>>> sometimes I will buy beef Wellingtons (individual steaks wrapped in
>>>> phyllo dough), Black and Bleu burgers (jumbo meat patties seasoned
>>>> with black pepper and stuffed with blue cheese), or chicken grillers
>>>> (chicken breasts stuffed with meat, cheese, etc.) These prepared meats
>>>> will come with cooking directions, which your assistant can read to
>>>> you while you're in the store, and can be cooked in a toaster oven or
>>>> on a Foreman grill.
>>>> -- Many tasty and healthy side dishes can be cooked easily in the
>>>> microwave including rice, Rice-a-Roni, fresh vegetables, whole
>>>> potatoes (just poke a few holes in it with a fork first), or potato
>>>> wedges. I've cooked rice and veggies both on  the stove and  in the
>>>> microwave and I don't notice a big difference.  Combining some rice,
>>>> potatoes or veggies with a baked  or grilled meat can make a
>>>> satisfying and low-fuss meal that won't taste as processed as Easy Mac
>>>> or hot dogs.
>>>> -- As long as you have oven mitts, a regular oven should be just as
>>>> safe as a toaster oven.
>>>> -- To locate stove burners, make sure your stovetop is completely
>>>> clear of clutter, turn on one of the burners, and then use your hand
>>>> above the stovetop to feel for the heat and position your pan such
>>>> that the flame is covered. If you can feel more heat on one side of
>>>> the pan than the other, adjust the pan's position until the heat is
>>>> covered up or even on both sides of the pan. As long as your stovetop
>>>> is cleared of everything except the pan of food you are cooking, this
>>>> isn't a fire hazard.
>>>> -- To the very good instructions about browning meat on the stove, I
>>>> would just add not to be afraid to use your hands, if you need to. For
>>>> example, after washing my hands, I will often use them to break up the
>>>> ground meat before I turn on the heat to cook it, and then wash my
>>>> hands again (I'll also do this if I'm making a meat loaf). I might
>>>> also take a little meat out of the pan and touch it to see if it's
>>>> done, once it starts to feel done under the spatula (raw meat is
>>>> slimy!) I don't see anything wrong with this as long as you wash your
>>>> hands before and after touching food. In fact, I will often fill the
>>>> sink up with warm soapy water while I am cooking and use it to rinse
>>>> my hands periodically throughout the process.
>>>> --For recipes, I stumbled on a good website,
>>>> busycooks.about.com
>>>> They have a lot of recipes designed to minimize time and effort
>>>> including a collection of "five-ingredient" recipes, which I
>>>> personally like because my kitchen is tiny and I don't have a lot of
>>>> pantry space. However, these recipes are also very good. My only
>>>> caution is that the recipes tend to be scaled for 4-6 people, so if
>>>> you live alone, you'll probably want to cut the recipe in half, or
>>>> freeze the leftovers.
>>>> -- I will close by describing how to cook pasta, since that is one of
>>>> my favorite foods. You will want to use a deep pot and preferably one
>>>> that has two handles (handles don't get hot). I know most people
>>>> advise listening to determine when the water is boiling, but I
>>>> personally find it hard to discern with my ears when the water
>>>> transitions from almost-boiling to boiling proper. So, what I will do
>>>> is touch the handles of the pot and feel the vibrations, and when the
>>>> handles are vibrating strongly and rhythmically, the water is boiling.
>>>> 
>>>> Once the water boils simply add the pasta to the pot, wait for it to
>>>> boil again and turn the heat down to medium. Different pasta boxes
>>>> will suggest different cooking times; I will usually wait 5-7 minutes
>>>> and then take a little out with a slotted spoon, run it under cold
>>>> water and taste it to see when it is done (undercooked pasta will be
>>>> very obvious!)
>>>> 
>>>> To drain pasta I would recommend using a large colander that fills up
>>>> most of your sink, especially if you're still learning. That way, if
>>>> you don't quite line your pot up with the colander, most of the pasta
>>>> will still end up in the colander rather than the sink. The big
>>>> colanders are also less likely to tip if you bump them with the pot
>>>> while trying to line up. Pouring pasta into a colander is pretty safe
>>>> and easy, but if it makes you nervous, you can do it wearing oven
>>>> gloves.
>>>> 
>>>> I hope this is helpful, and feel free to continue asking these questions.
>>>> 
>>>> Arielle
>>>> 
>>>> On 6/6/10, Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello All!
>>>>> Cooking is fun and infinitely healthier than frozen dinners or take
>>>>> out, which will never taste the same. Part of it is that once you have
>>>>> made your first fried egg, even if it looks like someone not so much
>>>>> fried it as tried to kill it, you made it, and so you are damn well
>>>>> sure to enjoy it. I belive there are some sort of cutting instruments
>>>>> that help cut tomatoes and such straighter. But it is definitely a
>>>>> matter of practice, and  remember you can always buy cherry tomatoes!
>>>>> If it's your first time doing something, pay attention, and time
>>>>> things. If your steak is a litter rarer than you wanted it, see how
>>>>> long you cooked it for and then just add a few minutes. With meats,
>>>>> use a moderate temp, since a very high  temp on the stove will ofter
>>>>> burn the outside while letting the inside still raw. Ok, it's late so
>>>>> I can't htink of anyhting else, but get a recipe book and an apron,
>>>>> and go at it!
>>>>> If no one else eats it there's more for you. Lol.
>>>>> Mary
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/6/10, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hmm… is that suppose to be some kind of subliminal message to buy some
>>>>>> Wisconsin cheese curds at national convention provided that they are
>>>>>> still
>>>>>> selling them? Although I do agree that adding cheese, regardless of
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> kind it may be, has the tendency to make almost any kind of food taste
>>>>>> better.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But as for experimenting in the kitchen, my advice is that it never
>>>>>> hurts
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> give it a try. I have always thought of cooking to be more of an art
>>>>>> rather
>>>>>> than a science, so if you somehow mess up and make a mistake, it just
>>>>>> gives
>>>>>> you an idea about what you might want to do or not do the next time you
>>>>>> give
>>>>>> it a try.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And if your vegetables are not cut and chopped into the exact same
>>>>>> shape
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> size, no one will probably notice but you. The fact that something is
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> cut perfectly only tells me that it must have been something home made
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> always seems to taste better than something that was bought at the
>>>>>> store.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And if you somehow manage to hurt yourself while cooking, chances are
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> you are not the only person that it has happened to and you will most
>>>>>> likely
>>>>>> live through the experience. I remember hearing Rachel Ray say that she
>>>>>> cut
>>>>>> herself on one of her first cooking shows which only shows that it can
>>>>>> happen to anyone. But it also shows that it does not always have to be
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> big
>>>>>> deal when it does happen.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anyways, happy cooking.
>>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com
>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 15:36:33 -0500
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking questions
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am just reading this cooking thread, and will throw in a few
>>>>>>> thoughts.
>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>> lot of good tips have been shared already, but here are a few others:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> First, let me caution you that not all ovens and/or stoves have
>>>>>>> controls
>>>>>>> which work in the same way. I have had appliances where clockwise got
>>>>>>> hotter
>>>>>>> and where clockwise turned down the heat. Likewise with ovens. There
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> standard. Verify how the controls work, and mark or label them in a
>>>>>>> logical
>>>>>>> way. As has been suggested, if your parents won't help you, have a
>>>>>>> friend
>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>> it. While your parents certainly are well-intentioned they are
>>>>>>> limiting
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> completely unnecessarily. For many blind people, cooking is second
>>>>>>> nature.
>>>>>>> While I am no gourmet, I am certainly proficient in the kitchen, and
>>>>>>> probably better than most males in their twenties.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> One general tip is to approach tasks in the kitchen systematically.
>>>>>>> Whether
>>>>>>> you are frosting a cake, breaking up ground beef or turkey, or mixing
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> seasoning packet, use a consistent method. Don't just toss a chunk of
>>>>>>> meet
>>>>>>> in the pan and randomly stab at it with a spatula. While this will
>>>>>>> surely
>>>>>>> work to a degree, it is far more efficient and effective to, for
>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>> work your way around the outer edge of the meet, breaking it apart and
>>>>>>> pushing the broken meet away from the large piece. This works
>>>>>>> especially
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> the meet you are browning is frozen. There are infinite other ways,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> an approach. As far as how to know when it is done, the feel is
>>>>>>> important,
>>>>>>> but you can also smell when meat is cooked. Between the sound, feel
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> smell, it is not too difficult to determine; and, if you get it wrong
>>>>>>> once
>>>>>>> or twice, you know better for the next time.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Don't be afraid of gas stoves. They, in my opinion, are better than
>>>>>>> electric
>>>>>>> ones. You can hear the gas click and the flame ignite on a gas stove.
>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>> can also gauge the intensity of the flame by holding your hand above
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> listening to it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For cooking chicken, fish or burgers, I prefer a Forman grill. In
>>>>>>> fact,
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> just purchased a new one. Things taste better grilled (even if they
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> fake
>>>>>>> grilled indoors on an electric grill). This said, I am no stranger to
>>>>>>> pan
>>>>>>> frying, broiling and grilling an a gas grill. You can purchase
>>>>>>> tong-like
>>>>>>> spatulas that allow you to grip a piece of meat and flip it over. I,
>>>>>>> personally, just use a standard spatula. You can use your cooking
>>>>>>> utensil
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> feel where things are. If you have two burgers in a frying pan, feel
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>> they are with the spatula, find the edge of one, slide the spatula
>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> burger and lift it out of the pan. As was mentioned in another post,
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> hold onto the handle of the pan to increase stability and ensure that
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> don't move the pan around. I often simply touch the top of the burger
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> chicken breast with one hand while I slide the spatula underneath it.
>>>>>>> Keep
>>>>>>> in mind, the face up side of the meet is not going to be that hot. I
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>> some people have a fair amount of uneasiness dealing with stovetop
>>>>>>> cooking,
>>>>>>> but, in reality, you can even touch the pan without injuring yourself,
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> long as you do so quickly. All of this applies equally to broiling and
>>>>>>> grilling, except for the part about touching the pan. I wouldn't touch
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> grill.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Using knives was not mentioned, but I know that knife use by blind
>>>>>>> folks
>>>>>>> inspires paranoia among the general public as do few other things. So,
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> case anybody is wondering, let me assuring you that chopping, slicing,
>>>>>>> dicing and mincing are all very doable without sight. The knife is in
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>> hand, and you know where your other hand is, so don't cut it off. Ok,
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> sounds a bit flippant, but, seriously, it isn't like you're going to
>>>>>>> hurt
>>>>>>> yourself unless you are wielding the knife like a maniac, or,
>>>>>>> possibly,
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> one has very poor spatial awareness, which can be a legitimate
>>>>>>> concern.
>>>>>>> When
>>>>>>> slicing bread, cheese, tomatoes and the like, it can be difficult to
>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>> nice even slices. For the most part, practice is what will help you
>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>> Two small tips: Hold the item you are slicing very steady and do not
>>>>>>> let
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> move or shift positions and when cutting be cognizant of the angle of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> knife blade to the counter top. You want to keep the blade
>>>>>>> perpendicular
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the surface on which you are working. The good news is that unevenly
>>>>>>> sliced
>>>>>>> sharp Wisconsin cheddar cheese is equally delicious to the evenly
>>>>>>> slice
>>>>>>> variety. Unless you're preparing a party platter, don't sweat it too
>>>>>>> much.
>>>>>>> You will get better in time. And, tomatoes suck anyway.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you want to chop something, an onion for example, first cut it in
>>>>>>> half
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>> it has a flat surface upon which to rest. Then, place the tip of your
>>>>>>> knife
>>>>>>> on the cutting board with the blade facing down and the object to be
>>>>>>> chopped
>>>>>>> underneath it. I am right handed, so the knife is in my right hand. I
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> left hand to hold the onion steady and start with the knife at the
>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>> side of the onion. Keep the knife tip on the cutting surface and
>>>>>>> repeatedly
>>>>>>> bring the blade down and raise it back up. Each time you make a cut,
>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>> the knife to push what has been cut off to the side, in my case the
>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>> side, while keeping the knife tip stationary. Each time you cut, pivot
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> knife slightly toward your non-knife-holding hand. Repeat the process
>>>>>>> until
>>>>>>> the entire onion, or whatever else, is chopped.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The bottom line is that a blind person can do anything in the kitchen
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> anybody else can do. Fears of injury, while understandable on some
>>>>>>> level,
>>>>>>> are ill-founded. As long as you think about what you are doing and
>>>>>>> exercise
>>>>>>> a reasonable level of caution, you will not injure yourself. Things
>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> difficult until you get used to them, but you will never be able to
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>> to them unless you practice. Just go for it. Being able to cook is a
>>>>>>> vital
>>>>>>> part of being able to take care of yourself as an independent adult.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sorry this got so long. I never thought I would use the word "spatula"
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>> many times in the course of 10 minutes!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I hope that somebody finds something useful in this post. If nothing
>>>>>>> else,
>>>>>>> take it as an advertisement for delicious Wisconsin cheese.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sean
>>>>>>> 
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Fri Jun 11 13:08:14 2010
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:08:14 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Ray McGeorge Being Transfered to Hospis Care
Message-ID: <AAF8432A18224B679565B534C9EAB01E@labarre>

Greetings Friends, as many of you know, Ray McGeorge came down with meningitis and was rushed to the hospital on May 9th.  He has been unconscious ever since.  Unfortunately, the meningitis caused several complications including seizures and a massive stroke.  Ray has been relatively stable the last couple of weeks but has shown no signs of improvement.  

Ray is a very strong person and very clear about his wishes.  He has an advanced directive, also known as a living will.  He has explicitly expressed the desire that his life not be extended artificially.  Diane has honored Ray's wishes and asked that he be taken off the respirator.  He has been off the respirator for limited periods but has always been placed back on.  Additionally, this morning Ray is being transfered from Kendrid Hospital, which is a long term acute care facility, to St. John's Hospis.

Quite frankly, we do not know specifically what the future holds.  Ray has faught this battle as hard as he knows how.  Without the respirator, we do not know exactly how Ray will do.  We do know, however, that we are carrying out his wishes.  During this very difficult time, we request your continued thoughts and prayers.    
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 11 13:51:43 2010
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:51:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking Good at the Hair Salon
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W457AD1114CFA234E613EC0BAD90@phx.gbl>
References: <AANLkTinVy7AzYO1-o1TRDh1Epv53Qt-xkRGDnmJHr1k-@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL118-W457AD1114CFA234E613EC0BAD90@phx.gbl>
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It depends what kind of hair you have.

My hair goes just past my shoulders, and i get layers, because it is
incredibly thick. There is nothing wrong with coming in with an idea
and talking to your stylist about it. I do that. I tell her the
general idea of what i want, and then she does it so that it looks
good. If you get layers, it doesn't look good to get them too high,
although that's just my opinion. Getting your hair thinned a bit might
be good if it is thick like mine. Also, it looks cute to have the hair
by your face cute a little shorter, getting longer towards the back of
your head. Trust me, hair stylists love nothing more than to give
advice, just find someone you trust. I have been going to the same
lady for years, and sometimes i will ask my sister or a friend before,
because like many people on here i'm sure, it is a lot for me to trust
someone's judgment when you get only one chance.

Some things that help me are straightening which is an easy look. Then
i just do an uneven part.

When i curl, it helps me to use hair spray first. This might sound
weird, but my hair is so thick, that it does not curl without doing
that first.

If you're anxious about using a curling iron, start with curlers
first. They didn't work for me, because my hair is so thick, but you
could try. Curlers that don't have a felt like material surrounding
them get hotter.

This is just a general suggestion. If you have trouble finding a
straightener that gets hot enough as do i since my hair is ridiculous,
try a Remmington straightener. I have had salon brand straighteners
that did not get as hot. It is about $30. And it is good to use a bit
of oil in your hair before you straighten it to minimize the heat
dammage to your hair. I'm not sure what brand i have, but it should be
easy to find at the store. Mine has a pump, and i just take a little
bit and run my fingers through my hair. You don't really want to put
it on top of your hair, just through it, and not so much that it is
noticeable, just so that it is there.

I am not experienced with dying at all, so i don't have any
suggestions for that.

I am not that creative when it comes to my hair, especially up dues,
but i'm sure some other people will have great suggestions.

Cindy

On 6/11/10, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello List,
>
> I understand this may be a bit off topic for the list, but I have a few
> questions regarding personal grooming after coming home from a trip to the
> hair salon. I understand I could have talked more with my stylist about what
> I was looking for before she cut my hair, but at the time, I simply wanted
> her to cut it before I decided to change my mind. However, I am curious,
> what kind of techniques do you use as a blind person when visiting the hair
> salon?
>
> I remember being able to comb through the pages of fashion magazines when I
> was looking to change my hairstyle as a teenager. However, now that I have
> lost a considerable amount of vision, I seem to find myself at a bit of a
> loss as to what to do. If I can no longer flip through the pages of a
> fashion magazine when I am looking to do something a bit different with my
> style, then what else is there for me to do?
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated as I contemplate going back and getting
> something else besides a basic haircut.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
>
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From brileyp at gmail.com  Fri Jun 11 14:00:19 2010
From: brileyp at gmail.com (Briley Pollard)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:00:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking Good at the Hair Salon
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W457AD1114CFA234E613EC0BAD90@phx.gbl>
References: <AANLkTinVy7AzYO1-o1TRDh1Epv53Qt-xkRGDnmJHr1k-@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL118-W457AD1114CFA234E613EC0BAD90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C20D9A37-214A-4888-ADDE-157F37603FB6@gmail.com>

Hi Elizabeth,

I consider myself to be a bit of an authority on this since I get bored with my hair a lot, and change the cut and color more frequently than my bank account probably appreciates. :)

I found a great salon on the recommendation of a friend, and have had the same stylist for a while. Part of their job description is to help you look your best with a cut that flatters your face shape. If you are verbal about what you want to be able to do with your hair, they can give you something that fulfills those requirements. For example, last time I went to Ashley, I told her I'd be moving to Louisiana in August, and I wanted something still cute and trendy, but something that would be easy to style. Also, I asked for something short that would keep me relatively cool in the summer heat. She discussed with me first my options, and she explained what each cut would look like. We customized it a bit as we went along, but I left with a haircut I loved as always. Don't be afraid to ask if you can touch it during the cutting process. Ashley is always careful to cut slowly to make sure she doesn't take off too much length for my liking.

Another thing you can do is read up on what hairstyles flatter your face shape. For example, I have more of a round face, so bangs work great for me to thin it out visually, even though I have short hair. Most of these sites have pictures, but also have great verbal descriptions of how things look. 

I hope this helps.

Best,
Briley 
On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:21 AM, Elizabeth wrote:

> 
> Hello List,
> 
> I understand this may be a bit off topic for the list, but I have a few questions regarding personal grooming after coming home from a trip to the hair salon. I understand I could have talked more with my stylist about what I was looking for before she cut my hair, but at the time, I simply wanted her to cut it before I decided to change my mind. However, I am curious, what kind of techniques do you use as a blind person when visiting the hair salon? 
> 
> I remember being able to comb through the pages of fashion magazines when I was looking to change my hairstyle as a teenager. However, now that I have lost a considerable amount of vision, I seem to find myself at a bit of a loss as to what to do. If I can no longer flip through the pages of a fashion magazine when I am looking to do something a bit different with my style, then what else is there for me to do?
> 
> Any suggestions would be appreciated as I contemplate going back and getting something else besides a basic haircut. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 		 	   		  
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From lilrichie411 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 11 14:37:09 2010
From: lilrichie411 at gmail.com (Jordan Richardson)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:37:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l]  Bringing Students to Independence 2010
Message-ID: <AANLkTinpXlcyrHlqDcqq_kReXxk1vQfhJOeNur0caOIa@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

I am writing to you all from Blind Industries and Services of
Maryland, the blindness skills trainning facility in Baltimore,
Maryland.  This summer we are running a program called Independence
2010 for blind students going into grades 10, 11, and 12.  We will be
teaching the students the Braille, cane travel, technology and
independant living skills they will need when moving on to college and
later into a career.

For three of these students we are still needing funding.  Two of
these students are from Georgia and one is from Maryland.  The mother
of the Maryland student just got off from active duty in April, and
when she got back she saw, in her email, a flyer for the Independence
2010 program.  She immediately sent an email to Amy Phelps, the
director of the program, asking Amy to accept her daughter and not
penalize her for being late since she was on active duty.  Of course
Amy Phelps and Karren Anderson interviewed the student and will accept
her, but we need funding to get her, and the students from Georgia
here to Baltimore for the program.

Please donate even $5 to help these very dedicated and enthusiastic
students to get the skills that they will need.  Any amount helps, no
matter how small.

For more information on either the program or the students, please
feel free to contact Amy Phelps at aphelps at bism.org.

Thank you,
Jordan Richardson
2nd Vice President, Minnesota Association of Blind Students

-- 
Jordan Richardson
2nd Vice President, Minnesota Association of Blind Students
lilrichie411 at gmail.com
“It is very important to generate a good attitude, a good heart, as
much as possible. From this, happiness in both the short term and the
long term for both yourself and others will come.”
--Dalai Lama


From jj at bestmidi.com  Fri Jun 11 16:08:50 2010
From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:08:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] scholarships
References: <000301cb08c9$a21c3f40$e654bdc0$@net>
	<A95AD522095843F3BC61340E3AAD6426@melissa>
Message-ID: <145E22F4BD1E4B2DBF6F5ED15DCCB779@jage>

The official list came out a couple of weeks ago.
There's always next year.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Melissa Green" <graduate56 at juno.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 2:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] scholarships


> If you haven't heard by now about winning a scholarship.
> You probably didn't win.
> On another note, as a former scholarship winner I would like to 
> congratulate all of this year's winners.
>
>
> Have a blessed day.
> Warmly,
> Melissa Green
> "Whenever we're afraid, it's because we don't know enough. If we 
> understood enough, we would never be afraid."
> Blog: http://readergirl5674.blogspot.com
> Facebook: melissa green northern colorado
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>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:20 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] scholarships
>
>
>> Has anyone heard if they are a winner yet?
>>
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Fri Jun 11 16:54:36 2010
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:54:36 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] scholarships
References: <000301cb08c9$a21c3f40$e654bdc0$@net><A95AD522095843F3BC61340E3AAD6426@melissa>
	<145E22F4BD1E4B2DBF6F5ED15DCCB779@jage>
Message-ID: <9989E35C54344FADA3B119B3FB72A165@labarre>

As a member of the Scholarship Committee, I can tell you  that  the class of 
2010 is complete.  I strongly encourage everyone to apply again.  It is an 
extremely competitive process and it often takes multiple applications to 
get an award.  Also, I strongly encourage everyone to look into whether your 
state affiliate has a scholarship program.  By sheer numbers, the 
competition is usually less intense.  Regards, and I look forward to seeing 
many of you in Dallas.
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.
LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J.J. Meddaugh" <jj at bestmidi.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] scholarships


> The official list came out a couple of weeks ago.
> There's always next year.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Melissa Green" <graduate56 at juno.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 2:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] scholarships
>
>
>> If you haven't heard by now about winning a scholarship.
>> You probably didn't win.
>> On another note, as a former scholarship winner I would like to 
>> congratulate all of this year's winners.
>>
>>
>> Have a blessed day.
>> Warmly,
>> Melissa Green
>> "Whenever we're afraid, it's because we don't know enough. If we 
>> understood enough, we would never be afraid."
>> Blog: http://readergirl5674.blogspot.com
>> Facebook: melissa green northern colorado
>> twitter: melissa5674
>> msn: graduate1531 at msn.com
>> Skype: lissa5674
>> live journal
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>> Linked in
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>> Friend feed Melissa green
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jennifer Applegate" <jlastar at comcast.net>
>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:20 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] scholarships
>>
>>
>>> Has anyone heard if they are a winner yet?
>>>
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From tamwill009 at comcast.net  Fri Jun 11 17:24:55 2010
From: tamwill009 at comcast.net (Tamika Williams)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 12:24:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Bringing Students to Independence 2010
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        Hello,
My name is Tamika Williams and I just read up on your post about the 
students that would like to attend BISM Independence 2010 Program. I know 
how important it is to get any type of training I know it will be a great 
program and the students will gain some beneficial knowledge and it could 
even be a life changing moment for a student if not more than one. 
Therefore, I want to personally contribute $25 to the efforts of BISM. 
Although it is not much, I hope it would help. Please tell me how I can get 
this donation to BISM.


Sincerely,
Tamika Williams, AABS President
E-mail 1: tamwill009 at comcast.net
E-mail 2: tnw602 at jaguar1.usouthal.edu
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Subject: [nabs-l] Bringing Students to Independence 2010


Hello all,

I am writing to you all from Blind Industries and Services of
Maryland, the blindness skills trainning facility in Baltimore,
Maryland.  This summer we are running a program called Independence
2010 for blind students going into grades 10, 11, and 12.  We will be
teaching the students the Braille, cane travel, technology and
independant living skills they will need when moving on to college and
later into a career.

For three of these students we are still needing funding.  Two of
these students are from Georgia and one is from Maryland.  The mother
of the Maryland student just got off from active duty in April, and
when she got back she saw, in her email, a flyer for the Independence
2010 program.  She immediately sent an email to Amy Phelps, the
director of the program, asking Amy to accept her daughter and not
penalize her for being late since she was on active duty.  Of course
Amy Phelps and Karren Anderson interviewed the student and will accept
her, but we need funding to get her, and the students from Georgia
here to Baltimore for the program.

Please donate even $5 to help these very dedicated and enthusiastic
students to get the skills that they will need.  Any amount helps, no
matter how small.

For more information on either the program or the students, please
feel free to contact Amy Phelps at aphelps at bism.org.

Thank you,
Jordan Richardson
2nd Vice President, Minnesota Association of Blind Students

-- 
Jordan Richardson
2nd Vice President, Minnesota Association of Blind Students
lilrichie411 at gmail.com
“It is very important to generate a good attitude, a good heart, as
much as possible. From this, happiness in both the short term and the
long term for both yourself and others will come.”
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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Fri Jun 11 21:42:18 2010
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:42:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Ray McGeorge Being Transfered to Hospis Care
References: <AAF8432A18224B679565B534C9EAB01E@labarre>
Message-ID: <7B050DE547094540A24AF15AED73D412@hometwxakonvzn>

I'm holding a prayer group on skype for those interested. My skype name is 
rj.sandefur, and it will start this evening at Eight P.M
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Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 9:08 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Ray McGeorge Being Transfered to Hospis Care


Greetings Friends, as many of you know, Ray McGeorge came down with 
meningitis and was rushed to the hospital on May 9th.  He has been 
unconscious ever since.  Unfortunately, the meningitis caused several 
complications including seizures and a massive stroke.  Ray has been 
relatively stable the last couple of weeks but has shown no signs of 
improvement.

Ray is a very strong person and very clear about his wishes.  He has an 
advanced directive, also known as a living will.  He has explicitly 
expressed the desire that his life not be extended artificially.  Diane has 
honored Ray's wishes and asked that he be taken off the respirator.  He has 
been off the respirator for limited periods but has always been placed back 
on.  Additionally, this morning Ray is being transfered from Kendrid 
Hospital, which is a long term acute care facility, to St. John's Hospis.

Quite frankly, we do not know specifically what the future holds.  Ray has 
faught this battle as hard as he knows how.  Without the respirator, we do 
not know exactly how Ray will do.  We do know, however, that we are carrying 
out his wishes.  During this very difficult time, we request your continued 
thoughts and prayers.
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

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From amylsabo at comcast.net  Fri Jun 11 23:07:08 2010
From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 23:07:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking Good at the Hair Salon
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W457AD1114CFA234E613EC0BAD90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1183890798.2796321276297628908.JavaMail.root@sz0144a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

hello elizabeth and all,

thanks for posting this question to the list. whatt i have done is decide on a look that would look good on you and how you want your hair to feel and look on you. yes, we cannot look for these in fashion magazines we can do this by feel and texture of ourr hair and how we want to look for our styles.

i hope this has been helpful and, if anyyone else has ideas on this topic please pass them on. take care all and, i will talk to you all soon.


hugs,
from amy

----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth 
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 05:21:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking Good at the Hair Salon


Hello List,

I understand this may be a bit off topic for the list, but I have a few questions regarding personal grooming after coming home from a trip to the hair salon. I understand I could have talked more with my stylist about what I was looking for before she cut my hair, but at the time, I simply wanted her to cut it before I decided to change my mind. However, I am curious, what kind of techniques do you use as a blind person when visiting the hair salon? 

I remember being able to comb through the pages of fashion magazines when I was looking to change my hairstyle as a teenager. However, now that I have lost a considerable amount of vision, I seem to find myself at a bit of a loss as to what to do. If I can no longer flip through the pages of a fashion magazine when I am looking to do something a bit different with my style, then what else is there for me to do?

Any suggestions would be appreciated as I contemplate going back and getting something else besides a basic haircut. 

Thanks,
Elizabeth

                          
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From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Jun 11 23:39:25 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:39:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] =?iso-8859-1?q?2010_NFB_National_Convention_Agenda_Avail?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?able_on_NFB-NEWSLINE=AE?=
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2010 NFB National Convention Agenda Available on NFB-NEWSLINE®

Perk your ears convention-goers, as we've got 
some great news for you!  We are pleased to 
announce that once again the entire agenda of the 
National Federation of the Blind’s national 
convention will be available on NFB-NEWSLINE®, 
helping you to make the most of this grand 
gathering.  With the availability of the agenda, 
you can quickly and easily determine what options 
are available at a particular time and find when 
and where a desired meeting will occur.  We 
believe that this will make it easy to plan your 
convention schedule­made even easier with the new 
access methods available through NFB-NEWSLINE® 
Online.  You can access the agenda in numerous 
ways­by download to your digital talking-book 
player with NFB-NEWSLINE® In Your Pocket, by 
reading it on Web News on Demand, and, of course, 
by picking up any touch-tone telephone.

With NFB-NEWSLINE® In Your Pocket, you can have 
the full agenda on one small device, providing 
increased portability and effortless access.  You 
can easily scan through each day to learn what 
meetings and events are of interest and determine 
your schedule for the day.  In order to download 
the agenda to your digital talking-book player, 
you'll need to add the agenda to your 
favorites.  This can be done online via our 
favorites management tool under the link for 
“Manage Your In Your Pocket Favorite 
Publications.”  Naturally, you'll need to 
download the NFB-NEWSLINE® In Your Pocket 
software, available at 
<http://www.nfbnewslineonline.org/>www.nfbnewslineonline.org, 
onto your computer before you can place this 
content on your device.  After you've logged in, 
select the link for NFB-NEWSLINE® In Your Pocket, 
which takes you to an informational page with software download links.

Web News on Demand allows you to easily search 
for a particular meeting or event when viewing 
the full agenda on one screen, or you can view 
each day individually.  You can also have the 
contents of the full agenda or a particular day 
or event e-mailed to yourself, and you are now 
able to download a zip file of the agenda to your 
portable note-taking device (such as the 
BrailleNote).  To access Web News on Demand and 
the special features it offers, visit 
<http://www.nfbnewslineonline.org/>www.nfbnewslineonline.org 
and select “Web News on Demand” after logging 
in.  The easiest way to find the agenda is to 
select the link “Publications Organized 
Alphabetically” and search for the title “NFB 2010 Convention Agenda.”

To access the agenda on the phone you'll want to 
enter the main menu (option number five) and 
select “National Meetings of Interest to the 
Print-Disabled” (option number four) from the 
“Newspapers in a Different State” menu.  With the 
recent availability of our on-demand 
article-request feature, you can now request that 
details of a certain meeting or event be sent to 
your e-mail account; you can in this way set up 
your own agenda tailored to your interests and 
obligations.  To use this feature, when listening 
to an article press #9 (pound nine) and the 
desired article will be sent to your e-mail inbox 
automatically, assuming your e-mail address is provided in your account.

If you’d like to experience the flexibility and 
ease of use that is offered by NFB-NEWSLINE® 
Online, please visit 
<http://www.nfbnewslineonline.org/>www.nfbnewslineonline.org. 
If you've forgotten your codes, please call us 
toll free at (866) 504-7300.  If you aren't 
signed up for NFB-NEWSLINE®, visit 
<http://www.nfbnewsline.org/>www.nfbnewsline.org 
to download an application or fill in the online application.


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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 12 03:02:21 2010
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 23:02:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking Good at the Hair Salon
In-Reply-To: <C20D9A37-214A-4888-ADDE-157F37603FB6@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinVy7AzYO1-o1TRDh1Epv53Qt-xkRGDnmJHr1k-@mail.gmail.com>,
	<COL118-W457AD1114CFA234E613EC0BAD90@phx.gbl>,
	<C20D9A37-214A-4888-ADDE-157F37603FB6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W63F917161922836AB64A8CBADA0@phx.gbl>


Yes, I was thinking that a more detailed discussion about my haircut may have produced a better result, but as I have already said, I wanted her to cut it before I had enough time to change my mind. It seems a bit odd, at times I wish I could have some of it back while sometimes I actually wish she had cut it a bit shorter. But maybe it is just going to take some time getting use to something new.
 
You mentioned something about visiting websites and reading the descriptions of the haircuts instead of being able to see them. Do you have any good websites that you could recommend? I guess that is something that I have never thought of before, so I guess I will have to give it a try.
 
Elizabeth
 
> From: brileyp at gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:00:19 -0500
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Looking Good at the Hair Salon
> 
> Hi Elizabeth,
> 
> I consider myself to be a bit of an authority on this since I get bored with my hair a lot, and change the cut and color more frequently than my bank account probably appreciates. :)
> 
> I found a great salon on the recommendation of a friend, and have had the same stylist for a while. Part of their job description is to help you look your best with a cut that flatters your face shape. If you are verbal about what you want to be able to do with your hair, they can give you something that fulfills those requirements. For example, last time I went to Ashley, I told her I'd be moving to Louisiana in August, and I wanted something still cute and trendy, but something that would be easy to style. Also, I asked for something short that would keep me relatively cool in the summer heat. She discussed with me first my options, and she explained what each cut would look like. We customized it a bit as we went along, but I left with a haircut I loved as always. Don't be afraid to ask if you can touch it during the cutting process. Ashley is always careful to cut slowly to make sure she doesn't take off too much length for my liking.
> 
> Another thing you can do is read up on what hairstyles flatter your face shape. For example, I have more of a round face, so bangs work great for me to thin it out visually, even though I have short hair. Most of these sites have pictures, but also have great verbal descriptions of how things look. 
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> Best,
> Briley 
> On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:21 AM, Elizabeth wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hello List,
> > 
> > I understand this may be a bit off topic for the list, but I have a few questions regarding personal grooming after coming home from a trip to the hair salon. I understand I could have talked more with my stylist about what I was looking for before she cut my hair, but at the time, I simply wanted her to cut it before I decided to change my mind. However, I am curious, what kind of techniques do you use as a blind person when visiting the hair salon? 
> > 
> > I remember being able to comb through the pages of fashion magazines when I was looking to change my hairstyle as a teenager. However, now that I have lost a considerable amount of vision, I seem to find myself at a bit of a loss as to what to do. If I can no longer flip through the pages of a fashion magazine when I am looking to do something a bit different with my style, then what else is there for me to do?
> > 
> > Any suggestions would be appreciated as I contemplate going back and getting something else besides a basic haircut. 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Elizabeth
> > 
> > 
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From davidschool97 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 12 05:06:01 2010
From: davidschool97 at gmail.com (David)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 00:06:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] switching to a mac
Message-ID: <F6AE5B513BE44F988BB6602572538579@Davidpc>

Hi I am a new member. My Name is David Thomas.
I am a friend of Jorge and am a blind 13 year old.
I am thinking about switching over to a mac and need to some ideas.
I have a victor streem, a braillenote empower, and a NLS Book player
what should I need to know
David Thomas
Owner and moderator of electronicsandmorefortheblind at electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com with subscribe in the subject line
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From davidschool97 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 12 05:17:32 2010
From: davidschool97 at gmail.com (David)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 00:17:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac
Message-ID: <AF599D1A5A1A4462A57EE4712DF6BAE6@Davidpc>

Hi my name is David Thomas
I am a friend with Jorge Paez.
I am thinking about switching from windows to a Mac.
These are the devices I need it to work with
VR Stream, Braille note,
NLS talking book player and iPod Touch.
Any help would be appreciated
David Thomas
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Sat Jun 12 07:46:46 2010
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 03:46:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac
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Hello,
It should work fine with all of those devices. I'm not completely sure about the BrailleNote, although I think you should be able to use it as a braille display with no problems. I don't use braille so I can't tell you for sure. In any case I love my Mac...it works very well...
On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:17 AM, David wrote:

> Hi my name is David Thomas
> I am a friend with Jorge Paez.
> I am thinking about switching from windows to a Mac.
> These are the devices I need it to work with
> VR Stream, Braille note,
> NLS talking book player and iPod Touch.
> Any help would be appreciated
> David Thomas
> Owner and moderator of electronicsandmorefortheblind at electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com with subscribe in the subject line
> Vice President of Paez Production Networks
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From trillian551 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 12 10:52:48 2010
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:52:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking Good at the Hair Salon
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W63F917161922836AB64A8CBADA0@phx.gbl>
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	<COL118-W457AD1114CFA234E613EC0BAD90@phx.gbl>
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	<COL118-W63F917161922836AB64A8CBADA0@phx.gbl>
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Hi all,
Since we can't see the picutres in fashion magazines, the internet is
our best friend when it comes to looking trendy. Here I will list some
useful websites i found. But the easiet thing to do is just googling.
I just typed in trendy hairstyles 2010, and a host of things came up.
An alternative suggestion is to go to a upscale hair salon and make an
appointment with a professional there. These people will typically be
very honest with you and make a host of suggestions. Just look online
and see if you can find someone who has been there.
Ok, here are the websites,
www.totalhair.net
www.hair.becomegorgeous.com/stylish_haircuts/
Happy hair styling!
Mary


On 6/11/10, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, I was thinking that a more detailed discussion about my haircut may
> have produced a better result, but as I have already said, I wanted her to
> cut it before I had enough time to change my mind. It seems a bit odd, at
> times I wish I could have some of it back while sometimes I actually wish
> she had cut it a bit shorter. But maybe it is just going to take some time
> getting use to something new.
>
> You mentioned something about visiting websites and reading the descriptions
> of the haircuts instead of being able to see them. Do you have any good
> websites that you could recommend? I guess that is something that I have
> never thought of before, so I guess I will have to give it a try.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>> From: brileyp at gmail.com
>> Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:00:19 -0500
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Looking Good at the Hair Salon
>>
>> Hi Elizabeth,
>>
>> I consider myself to be a bit of an authority on this since I get bored
>> with my hair a lot, and change the cut and color more frequently than my
>> bank account probably appreciates. :)
>>
>> I found a great salon on the recommendation of a friend, and have had the
>> same stylist for a while. Part of their job description is to help you
>> look your best with a cut that flatters your face shape. If you are verbal
>> about what you want to be able to do with your hair, they can give you
>> something that fulfills those requirements. For example, last time I went
>> to Ashley, I told her I'd be moving to Louisiana in August, and I wanted
>> something still cute and trendy, but something that would be easy to
>> style. Also, I asked for something short that would keep me relatively
>> cool in the summer heat. She discussed with me first my options, and she
>> explained what each cut would look like. We customized it a bit as we went
>> along, but I left with a haircut I loved as always. Don't be afraid to ask
>> if you can touch it during the cutting process. Ashley is always careful
>> to cut slowly to make sure she doesn't take off too much length for my
>> liking.
>>
>> Another thing you can do is read up on what hairstyles flatter your face
>> shape. For example, I have more of a round face, so bangs work great for
>> me to thin it out visually, even though I have short hair. Most of these
>> sites have pictures, but also have great verbal descriptions of how things
>> look.
>>
>> I hope this helps.
>>
>> Best,
>> Briley
>> On Jun 11, 2010, at 12:21 AM, Elizabeth wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Hello List,
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>> > questions regarding personal grooming after coming home from a trip to
>> > the hair salon. I understand I could have talked more with my stylist
>> > about what I was looking for before she cut my hair, but at the time, I
>> > simply wanted her to cut it before I decided to change my mind. However,
>> > I am curious, what kind of techniques do you use as a blind person when
>> > visiting the hair salon?
>> >
>> > I remember being able to comb through the pages of fashion magazines
>> > when I was looking to change my hairstyle as a teenager. However, now
>> > that I have lost a considerable amount of vision, I seem to find myself
>> > at a bit of a loss as to what to do. If I can no longer flip through the
>> > pages of a fashion magazine when I am looking to do something a bit
>> > different with my style, then what else is there for me to do?
>> >
>> > Any suggestions would be appreciated as I contemplate going back and
>> > getting something else besides a basic haircut.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
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>> >
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From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com  Sat Jun 12 17:19:01 2010
From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:19:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
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Katie,

I find shopping online and having groceries delivered to be vastly superior
to the in-store experience.

Of course, if I just need a few things which I can carry home, it is more
economical to drop into the store and have somebody grab the things I need
for me, but here are the advantages, as I see them, of shopping for
groceries online:

1) You are able to see everything that is available. If you shop with an
assistant, you usually tell them what you want, and they help you find it.
When shopping online, you can find things which you want to buy that you may
have never even known existed. It is like being able to walk into a store
and actually browse their full selection. I found this quite liberating.

2) It takes far less time.

3) If you are buying more than you can carry, the cost of delivery is no
worse than the cost of the cab you would have to call to get your groceries
home.

4) Let's face it, many of the people who help us shop are clueless. Among
other stories, I have had a guy who didn't know what a grannie smith apple
was and I have come home to realize that my balsamic vinaigrette was a
bottle of balsamic vinegar. Sometimes close just isn't good enough!

5) For many products, at least with pea pod grocery delivery, you can view
nutritional information and ingrediants. It gets cumbersome to ask an
employee to read the sodium content of every product you consider
purchasing.

6) Often, they have costs of foods broken down by cost per ounce or cost per
unit. This makes price comparison very convenient.

If you need more reasons, I'll try to think of them, but it is the only way
I do major grocery shopping.

Take care,

Sean



From jsorozco at gmail.com  Sat Jun 12 18:44:50 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:44:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
In-Reply-To: <001401cb0a53$5a8881d0$0f998570$@com>
References: <mailman.33.1276275609.24379.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
	<001401cb0a53$5a8881d0$0f998570$@com>
Message-ID: <7FE73FC4547441F98B1A16277F0F38F9@Rufus>

I prefer Peapod, run by Giant, to Safeway.  Safeway often did not have
certain items in stock and would not alert you to this until you got your
groceries and discovered items missing.  Safeway is cheaper, but I'd rather
pay a little more for accurate orders.  I think the delivery fee for Peapod
is still $10, which is far less than the cost of a cab.  If you live outside
of the DC area, doesn't Amazon provide some groceries?  I second everything
Sean said about the online grocery shopping experience.

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sean Whalen
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 1:19 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking questions

Katie,

I find shopping online and having groceries delivered to be 
vastly superior
to the in-store experience.

Of course, if I just need a few things which I can carry home, 
it is more
economical to drop into the store and have somebody grab the 
things I need
for me, but here are the advantages, as I see them, of shopping for
groceries online:

1) You are able to see everything that is available. If you shop with an
assistant, you usually tell them what you want, and they help 
you find it.
When shopping online, you can find things which you want to buy 
that you may
have never even known existed. It is like being able to walk 
into a store
and actually browse their full selection. I found this quite liberating.

2) It takes far less time.

3) If you are buying more than you can carry, the cost of delivery is no
worse than the cost of the cab you would have to call to get 
your groceries
home.

4) Let's face it, many of the people who help us shop are 
clueless. Among
other stories, I have had a guy who didn't know what a grannie 
smith apple
was and I have come home to realize that my balsamic vinaigrette was a
bottle of balsamic vinegar. Sometimes close just isn't good enough!

5) For many products, at least with pea pod grocery delivery, 
you can view
nutritional information and ingrediants. It gets cumbersome to ask an
employee to read the sodium content of every product you consider
purchasing.

6) Often, they have costs of foods broken down by cost per 
ounce or cost per
unit. This makes price comparison very convenient.

If you need more reasons, I'll try to think of them, but it is 
the only way
I do major grocery shopping.

Take care,

Sean


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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Sat Jun 12 19:00:40 2010
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:00:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
In-Reply-To: <7FE73FC4547441F98B1A16277F0F38F9@Rufus>
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Hi all,

KingSoopers has an online shopping feature that can be a good
compromise between ordering delivery and going to the store, and other
grocery chains may have this as well. Basically you log in as if you
were going to order delivery, but then select the "Just making a list"
option. You can browse the online selection and choose what items you
want to add to your shopping list, and at the end you get a list
marked with specific brand names and aisle locations that you can
print out and bring into the store to give to your shopping assistant.
I do this often if I am getting more than a couple things but not
enough to meet the $50 minimum, and I prefer to buy smaller grocery
loads more frequently (so as to always have fresh fruit, etc.) I like
the online list feature because, like Sean said, I can browse the full
selection in the store and make price comparisons, or see what is on
sale. The downside is that it takes a little extra time because you
are essentially shopping twice (once online and then again when you
pick up the actual items in the store). But once you build the list,
it's usually quite easy for you and the shopper to find the
appropriate items. You can also save lists for future use, so if you
want to buy most of the same items each time you only need to make
minor modifications to the online list each time.

Arielle

On 6/12/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
> I prefer Peapod, run by Giant, to Safeway.  Safeway often did not have
> certain items in stock and would not alert you to this until you got your
> groceries and discovered items missing.  Safeway is cheaper, but I'd rather
> pay a little more for accurate orders.  I think the delivery fee for Peapod
> is still $10, which is far less than the cost of a cab.  If you live outside
> of the DC area, doesn't Amazon provide some groceries?  I second everything
> Sean said about the online grocery shopping experience.
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sean Whalen
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 1:19 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking questions
>
> Katie,
>
> I find shopping online and having groceries delivered to be
> vastly superior
> to the in-store experience.
>
> Of course, if I just need a few things which I can carry home,
> it is more
> economical to drop into the store and have somebody grab the
> things I need
> for me, but here are the advantages, as I see them, of shopping for
> groceries online:
>
> 1) You are able to see everything that is available. If you shop with an
> assistant, you usually tell them what you want, and they help
> you find it.
> When shopping online, you can find things which you want to buy
> that you may
> have never even known existed. It is like being able to walk
> into a store
> and actually browse their full selection. I found this quite liberating.
>
> 2) It takes far less time.
>
> 3) If you are buying more than you can carry, the cost of delivery is no
> worse than the cost of the cab you would have to call to get
> your groceries
> home.
>
> 4) Let's face it, many of the people who help us shop are
> clueless. Among
> other stories, I have had a guy who didn't know what a grannie
> smith apple
> was and I have come home to realize that my balsamic vinaigrette was a
> bottle of balsamic vinegar. Sometimes close just isn't good enough!
>
> 5) For many products, at least with pea pod grocery delivery,
> you can view
> nutritional information and ingrediants. It gets cumbersome to ask an
> employee to read the sodium content of every product you consider
> purchasing.
>
> 6) Often, they have costs of foods broken down by cost per
> ounce or cost per
> unit. This makes price comparison very convenient.
>
> If you need more reasons, I'll try to think of them, but it is
> the only way
> I do major grocery shopping.
>
> Take care,
>
> Sean
>
>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sat Jun 12 19:04:32 2010
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:04:32 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
References: <mailman.33.1276275609.24379.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
	<001401cb0a53$5a8881d0$0f998570$@com>
Message-ID: <519096CE15644CC994973753BA7A0BC1@stanford.edu>

Also, some websites, such as Safeway, will remember what you ordered.  When 
you browse the items, it will say beside the item if you have ordered it 
before.  You can also look at all the items that you have ordered before. 
You can get the brand that you want.  Sometimes, telling someone what brand 
and flavor you want can be very confusing.  Not to mention that you don't 
have to push a shopping cart through the store if you shop on line.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean Whalen" <smwhalenpsp at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking questions


> Katie,
>
> I find shopping online and having groceries delivered to be vastly 
> superior
> to the in-store experience.
>
> Of course, if I just need a few things which I can carry home, it is more
> economical to drop into the store and have somebody grab the things I need
> for me, but here are the advantages, as I see them, of shopping for
> groceries online:
>
> 1) You are able to see everything that is available. If you shop with an
> assistant, you usually tell them what you want, and they help you find it.
> When shopping online, you can find things which you want to buy that you 
> may
> have never even known existed. It is like being able to walk into a store
> and actually browse their full selection. I found this quite liberating.
>
> 2) It takes far less time.
>
> 3) If you are buying more than you can carry, the cost of delivery is no
> worse than the cost of the cab you would have to call to get your 
> groceries
> home.
>
> 4) Let's face it, many of the people who help us shop are clueless. Among
> other stories, I have had a guy who didn't know what a grannie smith apple
> was and I have come home to realize that my balsamic vinaigrette was a
> bottle of balsamic vinegar. Sometimes close just isn't good enough!
>
> 5) For many products, at least with pea pod grocery delivery, you can view
> nutritional information and ingrediants. It gets cumbersome to ask an
> employee to read the sodium content of every product you consider
> purchasing.
>
> 6) Often, they have costs of foods broken down by cost per ounce or cost 
> per
> unit. This makes price comparison very convenient.
>
> If you need more reasons, I'll try to think of them, but it is the only 
> way
> I do major grocery shopping.
>
> Take care,
>
> Sean
>
>
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From corbbo at gmail.com  Sat Jun 12 19:46:31 2010
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:46:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac
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	<C9B1AAED-A247-4779-A07A-D90D20170300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9120A7FC-F9F0-4EC3-8872-44F993DC872F@gmail.com>

The Victor Reader Stream will freeze your computer, in my experience,  
if you try to use the included USB cable. However, if you get an SD  
card reader with a USB port -- about $20 at any computer/electronics  
store -- then it will work just fine. You won't have a HumanWare  
Companion, but you can still copy files.

Corbb


On Jun 12, 2010, at 3:46 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:

Hello,
It should work fine with all of those devices. I'm not completely sure  
about the BrailleNote, although I think you should be able to use it  
as a braille display with no problems. I don't use braille so I can't  
tell you for sure. In any case I love my Mac...it works very well...
On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:17 AM, David wrote:

> Hi my name is David Thomas
> I am a friend with Jorge Paez.
> I am thinking about switching from windows to a Mac.
> These are the devices I need it to work with
> VR Stream, Braille note,
> NLS talking book player and iPod Touch.
> Any help would be appreciated
> David Thomas
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From jj at bestmidi.com  Sat Jun 12 19:48:26 2010
From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:48:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
References: <mailman.33.1276275609.24379.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
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Unfortunately, grocery delivery isn't available everywhere yet.
For those in this situation, here's some tips I've used.
1. Most stores have their weekly fliers online. You can use this to see 
what's on sale for the week and build your list around this if you wish.

2. Related to this, there are a growing number of blogs targeted at mothers 
and other people who are trying to save money. They will go as far as to 
list the best sales for the week from several stores includes how you can 
combine coupons and sale prices to get things for free or almost free. To 
find these, search for your store name in Google's Blog search.

3. Print a list and bring this along with a pen to the store. If you are 
more specific on the list, it may save time. Include prices if you know them 
to help your shopper locate the exact item. If you are unsure as to what 
they are getting you, feel the container, have them read the label, or if 
you are still unsure, make a mental note to ask the cashier.

4. Many stores which don't have delivery still list their products online. 
Wal-Mart, Meijer, Wal-Greens, and others come to mind. These may vary from 
store to store but it certainly helps if it's available.

5. Instead of using plastic bags, get a few of those environmentally-sound 
"green bags." They're usually around a buck and will generally hold more 
groceries. You could also bring a suitcase to the store or take a cab, 
depending on how close it is.

6. This is certainly a good case to pay a driver. If you have a friend that 
is willing to help out for a few bucks or a dinner, great. Maybe there's a 
favor you can offer in return?

7. If you have a farmers' market near you, it's a great way to get produce 
and other items. I've found the people working these booths are happy to 
tell you what they have available. You can just go around the market like 
you would at the  convention exhibit hall.


That's all I can think of for now. And I just made a strawberry-rhubarb pie. 
Anyone want a piece?


J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean Whalen" <smwhalenpsp at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking questions


> Katie,
>
> I find shopping online and having groceries delivered to be vastly 
> superior
> to the in-store experience.
>
> Of course, if I just need a few things which I can carry home, it is more
> economical to drop into the store and have somebody grab the things I need
> for me, but here are the advantages, as I see them, of shopping for
> groceries online:
>
> 1) You are able to see everything that is available. If you shop with an
> assistant, you usually tell them what you want, and they help you find it.
> When shopping online, you can find things which you want to buy that you 
> may
> have never even known existed. It is like being able to walk into a store
> and actually browse their full selection. I found this quite liberating.
>
> 2) It takes far less time.
>
> 3) If you are buying more than you can carry, the cost of delivery is no
> worse than the cost of the cab you would have to call to get your 
> groceries
> home.
>
> 4) Let's face it, many of the people who help us shop are clueless. Among
> other stories, I have had a guy who didn't know what a grannie smith apple
> was and I have come home to realize that my balsamic vinaigrette was a
> bottle of balsamic vinegar. Sometimes close just isn't good enough!
>
> 5) For many products, at least with pea pod grocery delivery, you can view
> nutritional information and ingrediants. It gets cumbersome to ask an
> employee to read the sodium content of every product you consider
> purchasing.
>
> 6) Often, they have costs of foods broken down by cost per ounce or cost 
> per
> unit. This makes price comparison very convenient.
>
> If you need more reasons, I'll try to think of them, but it is the only 
> way
> I do major grocery shopping.
>
> Take care,
>
> Sean
>
>
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From jj at bestmidi.com  Sat Jun 12 19:51:26 2010
From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:51:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
References: <mailman.33.1276275609.24379.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org><001401cb0a53$5a8881d0$0f998570$@com>
	<7FE73FC4547441F98B1A16277F0F38F9@Rufus>
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Joe and others,
Online delivery is limited in smaller cities. Amazon has non-perishable 
goods available but you must buy in bulk and their prices are not very 
competitive with local stores. There is sometimes items on sale, however, 
which make it a good deal. Sam's Club has Click-n-Pull, where you can submit 
your list ahead of time and they will have your order ready when you get to 
the store. Meijer in the midwest is starting to roll out a similar service.

J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com
A premier Code Factory, KNFB Reader, and Sendero distributor
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Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking questions


>I prefer Peapod, run by Giant, to Safeway.  Safeway often did not have
> certain items in stock and would not alert you to this until you got your
> groceries and discovered items missing.  Safeway is cheaper, but I'd 
> rather
> pay a little more for accurate orders.  I think the delivery fee for 
> Peapod
> is still $10, which is far less than the cost of a cab.  If you live 
> outside
> of the DC area, doesn't Amazon provide some groceries?  I second 
> everything
> Sean said about the online grocery shopping experience.
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sean Whalen
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 1:19 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking questions
>
> Katie,
>
> I find shopping online and having groceries delivered to be
> vastly superior
> to the in-store experience.
>
> Of course, if I just need a few things which I can carry home,
> it is more
> economical to drop into the store and have somebody grab the
> things I need
> for me, but here are the advantages, as I see them, of shopping for
> groceries online:
>
> 1) You are able to see everything that is available. If you shop with an
> assistant, you usually tell them what you want, and they help
> you find it.
> When shopping online, you can find things which you want to buy
> that you may
> have never even known existed. It is like being able to walk
> into a store
> and actually browse their full selection. I found this quite liberating.
>
> 2) It takes far less time.
>
> 3) If you are buying more than you can carry, the cost of delivery is no
> worse than the cost of the cab you would have to call to get
> your groceries
> home.
>
> 4) Let's face it, many of the people who help us shop are
> clueless. Among
> other stories, I have had a guy who didn't know what a grannie
> smith apple
> was and I have come home to realize that my balsamic vinaigrette was a
> bottle of balsamic vinegar. Sometimes close just isn't good enough!
>
> 5) For many products, at least with pea pod grocery delivery,
> you can view
> nutritional information and ingrediants. It gets cumbersome to ask an
> employee to read the sodium content of every product you consider
> purchasing.
>
> 6) Often, they have costs of foods broken down by cost per
> ounce or cost per
> unit. This makes price comparison very convenient.
>
> If you need more reasons, I'll try to think of them, but it is
> the only way
> I do major grocery shopping.
>
> Take care,
>
> Sean
>
>
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From corbbo at gmail.com  Sat Jun 12 19:56:14 2010
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:56:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Podcasts and the Victor Reader Stream
Message-ID: <78818769-B791-4E2E-9D12-2106F61F5B61@gmail.com>

Hey folks,

I use a Mac, and am looking to automatically sync podcasts to my  
Victor Reader Stream. Does anybody know how to do this? Right now, I'm  
just copying the files out of iTunes...but there's gotta be a more  
efficient way! And how about text-based RSS feeds -- any way to sync  
those automatically, too?

Thanks!
Corbb


From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Sat Jun 12 22:18:55 2010
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:18:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Podcasts and the Victor Reader Stream
In-Reply-To: <78818769-B791-4E2E-9D12-2106F61F5B61@gmail.com>
References: <78818769-B791-4E2E-9D12-2106F61F5B61@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9ED61986-296D-4A4B-B953-CDDDACDD22D9@gmail.com>

Hello,
No, you probably won't be able to get podcasts to sink automatically. iTunes only works with Apple products. At least that's how it's supposed to be. What you could try is to create an Automator workflow or an Apple script that would copy podcasts to the Stream every time you want to do it. This should work because iTunes stores podcasts in the same place all the time. In any case, the simplest way is to just copy and paste into the Stream as you are doing.

IC
On Jun 12, 2010, at 3:56 PM, Corbb O'Connor wrote:

> Hey folks,
> 
> I use a Mac, and am looking to automatically sync podcasts to my Victor Reader Stream. Does anybody know how to do this? Right now, I'm just copying the files out of iTunes...but there's gotta be a more efficient way! And how about text-based RSS feeds -- any way to sync those automatically, too?
> 
> Thanks!
> Corbb
> 
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Sat Jun 12 22:20:56 2010
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:20:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac
In-Reply-To: <9120A7FC-F9F0-4EC3-8872-44F993DC872F@gmail.com>
References: <AF599D1A5A1A4462A57EE4712DF6BAE6@Davidpc>
	<C9B1AAED-A247-4779-A07A-D90D20170300@gmail.com>
	<9120A7FC-F9F0-4EC3-8872-44F993DC872F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0EACCFE0-D96C-48CE-B718-066A328A65A8@gmail.com>

Many macs come with a built-in SD reader, so you probably won't need to by a USB one. All iMac and Macbook Pro models have the SD reader. I'm not sure about the plastic Macbook, and the Mini doesn't have it.

IC
On Jun 12, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Corbb O'Connor wrote:

> The Victor Reader Stream will freeze your computer, in my experience, if you try to use the included USB cable. However, if you get an SD card reader with a USB port -- about $20 at any computer/electronics store -- then it will work just fine. You won't have a HumanWare Companion, but you can still copy files.
> 
> Corbb
> 
> 
> On Jun 12, 2010, at 3:46 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> It should work fine with all of those devices. I'm not completely sure about the BrailleNote, although I think you should be able to use it as a braille display with no problems. I don't use braille so I can't tell you for sure. In any case I love my Mac...it works very well...
> On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:17 AM, David wrote:
> 
>> Hi my name is David Thomas
>> I am a friend with Jorge Paez.
>> I am thinking about switching from windows to a Mac.
>> These are the devices I need it to work with
>> VR Stream, Braille note,
>> NLS talking book player and iPod Touch.
>> Any help would be appreciated
>> David Thomas
>> Owner and moderator of electronicsandmorefortheblind at electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com with subscribe in the subject line
>> Vice President of Paez Production Networks
>> subscribe to No Eyes required on iTunes e-mail me with any concerns at davidschool97 at gmail.com
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From golfereric at comcast.net  Sat Jun 12 23:03:37 2010
From: golfereric at comcast.net (Eric Gaudes)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:03:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Newsline Question
Message-ID: <018840D925E9417C8B59FB2FAE8A68EA@SCHOOLLAPTOP>

Hello Everyone 

 

First of all I'm revent gradute of Southern New Hampshire University, which
occurred on May 15th and got my Bachelor's in Accounting. 

 

Second of all I was wondering if I subscribed to Newsline that I could get
it to my computer? The other thing is would there be a business publication
available on this service?

 

 

Thanks,

Eric Gaudes 


From ginisd at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun 12 23:08:02 2010
From: ginisd at sbcglobal.net (V Nork)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 16:08:02 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
In-Reply-To: <AEC6D8C28DC44E1C840669C3EDFDAE96@jage>
References: <mailman.33.1276275609.24379.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org><001401cb0a53$5a8881d0$0f998570$@com>
	<AEC6D8C28DC44E1C840669C3EDFDAE96@jage>
Message-ID: <8CC655164D944BF5A604FAA12ECDCC14@windows4c0ed96>

Hi, thanks for all this, one question,  I have not done a search on google
for blog, could you tell me what I would type in  the the search box on
google in the example you give in your e mail?  Thanks, Ginny

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of J.J. Meddaugh
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 12:48 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking questions

Unfortunately, grocery delivery isn't available everywhere yet.
For those in this situation, here's some tips I've used.
1. Most stores have their weekly fliers online. You can use this to see 
what's on sale for the week and build your list around this if you wish.

2. Related to this, there are a growing number of blogs targeted at mothers 
and other people who are trying to save money. They will go as far as to 
list the best sales for the week from several stores includes how you can 
combine coupons and sale prices to get things for free or almost free. To 
find these, search for your store name in Google's Blog search.

3. Print a list and bring this along with a pen to the store. If you are 
more specific on the list, it may save time. Include prices if you know them

to help your shopper locate the exact item. If you are unsure as to what 
they are getting you, feel the container, have them read the label, or if 
you are still unsure, make a mental note to ask the cashier.

4. Many stores which don't have delivery still list their products online. 
Wal-Mart, Meijer, Wal-Greens, and others come to mind. These may vary from 
store to store but it certainly helps if it's available.

5. Instead of using plastic bags, get a few of those environmentally-sound 
"green bags." They're usually around a buck and will generally hold more 
groceries. You could also bring a suitcase to the store or take a cab, 
depending on how close it is.

6. This is certainly a good case to pay a driver. If you have a friend that 
is willing to help out for a few bucks or a dinner, great. Maybe there's a 
favor you can offer in return?

7. If you have a farmers' market near you, it's a great way to get produce 
and other items. I've found the people working these booths are happy to 
tell you what they have available. You can just go around the market like 
you would at the  convention exhibit hall.


That's all I can think of for now. And I just made a strawberry-rhubarb pie.

Anyone want a piece?


J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com
A premier Code Factory, KNFB Reader, and Sendero distributor
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean Whalen" <smwhalenpsp at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking questions


> Katie,
>
> I find shopping online and having groceries delivered to be vastly 
> superior
> to the in-store experience.
>
> Of course, if I just need a few things which I can carry home, it is more
> economical to drop into the store and have somebody grab the things I need
> for me, but here are the advantages, as I see them, of shopping for
> groceries online:
>
> 1) You are able to see everything that is available. If you shop with an
> assistant, you usually tell them what you want, and they help you find it.
> When shopping online, you can find things which you want to buy that you 
> may
> have never even known existed. It is like being able to walk into a store
> and actually browse their full selection. I found this quite liberating.
>
> 2) It takes far less time.
>
> 3) If you are buying more than you can carry, the cost of delivery is no
> worse than the cost of the cab you would have to call to get your 
> groceries
> home.
>
> 4) Let's face it, many of the people who help us shop are clueless. Among
> other stories, I have had a guy who didn't know what a grannie smith apple
> was and I have come home to realize that my balsamic vinaigrette was a
> bottle of balsamic vinegar. Sometimes close just isn't good enough!
>
> 5) For many products, at least with pea pod grocery delivery, you can view
> nutritional information and ingrediants. It gets cumbersome to ask an
> employee to read the sodium content of every product you consider
> purchasing.
>
> 6) Often, they have costs of foods broken down by cost per ounce or cost 
> per
> unit. This makes price comparison very convenient.
>
> If you need more reasons, I'll try to think of them, but it is the only 
> way
> I do major grocery shopping.
>
> Take care,
>
> Sean
>
>
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Sun Jun 13 00:02:05 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 20:02:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Requesting Titles From NLS
Message-ID: <75204FAF737044B9BB22FDB70A1F1C7C@Rufus>

Dear all,

Has anyone ever tried requesting certain books to be added to NLS through
their regional library?  If so, has it worked?  I'm a little disappointed
with the titles that have been recently added, and I wish they would record
a whole series rather than add an installment here and installment there,
especially when the books are already available via cassette.  At this rate
I'm going to cave in and listen to this infamous Twilight book, see what all
the commotion is all about, but really, chick vampire frill reading?  Say it
ain't so!  Anyway, I'd be curious to know if the libraries listen to patrons
about book additions.  Thanks.

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing



From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 13 00:28:29 2010
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 17:28:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac
Message-ID: <439951.82901.qm@web56104.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

The MacBook doesn't have it.

Sent from my iPod

On Jun 12, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com> wrote:

Many macs come with a built-in SD reader, so you probably won't need to by a USB one. All iMac and Macbook Pro models have the SD reader. I'm not sure about the plastic Macbook, and the Mini doesn't have it.

IC
On Jun 12, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Corbb O'Connor wrote:

The Victor Reader Stream will freeze your computer, in my experience, if you try to use the included USB cable. However, if you get an SD card reader with a USB port -- about $20 at any computer/electronics store -- then it will work just fine. You won't have a HumanWare Companion, but you can still copy files.

Corbb


On Jun 12, 2010, at 3:46 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:

Hello,
It should work fine with all of those devices. I'm not completely sure about the BrailleNote, although I think you should be able to use it as a braille display with no problems. I don't use braille so I can't tell you for sure. In any case I love my Mac...it works very well...
On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:17 AM, David wrote:

Hi my name is David Thomas
I am a friend with Jorge Paez.
I am thinking about switching from windows to a Mac.
These are the devices I need it to work with
VR Stream, Braille note,
NLS talking book player and iPod Touch.
Any help would be appreciated
David Thomas
Owner and moderator of electronicsandmorefortheblind at electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com with subscribe in the subject line
Vice President of Paez Production Networks
subscribe to No Eyes required on iTunes e-mail me with any concerns at davidschool97 at gmail.com
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From marsha.drenth at gmail.com  Sun Jun 13 01:21:57 2010
From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:21:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Requesting Titles From NLS
In-Reply-To: <75204FAF737044B9BB22FDB70A1F1C7C@Rufus>
References: <75204FAF737044B9BB22FDB70A1F1C7C@Rufus>
Message-ID: <206E59311FBE492CA64430DC17352B67@Cptr233>

To be honest in the last 4 weeks, the selection of books put up on the
website on Friday's  has completely sucked. As far as making a request, I am
not sure. 

marsha



-----Original Message-----
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Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 8:02 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] Requesting Titles From NLS

Dear all,

Has anyone ever tried requesting certain books to be added to NLS through
their regional library?  If so, has it worked?  I'm a little disappointed
with the titles that have been recently added, and I wish they would record
a whole series rather than add an installment here and installment there,
especially when the books are already available via cassette.  At this rate
I'm going to cave in and listen to this infamous Twilight book, see what all
the commotion is all about, but really, chick vampire frill reading?  Say it
ain't so!  Anyway, I'd be curious to know if the libraries listen to patrons
about book additions.  Thanks.

Joe

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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sun Jun 13 01:31:35 2010
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:31:35 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac
References: <AF599D1A5A1A4462A57EE4712DF6BAE6@Davidpc><C9B1AAED-A247-4779-A07A-D90D20170300@gmail.com>
	<9120A7FC-F9F0-4EC3-8872-44F993DC872F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5ACEB2456F5E44BEA4D699782B0A6097@stanford.edu>

Isn't not having a HumanWare
Companion a problem if you use the Stream for recording since there is not 
another way, at least not to my knowledge, to convert the sound files?

Nicole

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac


> The Victor Reader Stream will freeze your computer, in my experience,  if 
> you try to use the included USB cable. However, if you get an SD  card 
> reader with a USB port -- about $20 at any computer/electronics  store --  
> then it will work just fine. You won't have a HumanWare  Companion, but 
> you can still copy files.
>
> Corbb
>
>
> On Jun 12, 2010, at 3:46 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>
> Hello,
> It should work fine with all of those devices. I'm not completely sure 
> about the BrailleNote, although I think you should be able to use it  as a 
> braille display with no problems. I don't use braille so I can't  tell you 
> for sure. In any case I love my Mac...it works very well...
> On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:17 AM, David wrote:
>
>> Hi my name is David Thomas
>> I am a friend with Jorge Paez.
>> I am thinking about switching from windows to a Mac.
>> These are the devices I need it to work with
>> VR Stream, Braille note,
>> NLS talking book player and iPod Touch.
>> Any help would be appreciated
>> David Thomas
>> Owner and moderator of electronicsandmorefortheblind at 
>> electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com with subscribe in the 
>> subject line
>> Vice President of Paez Production Networks
>> subscribe to No Eyes required on iTunes e-mail me with any concerns  at 
>> davidschool97 at gmail.com
>> Please note:
>> this message may contain confidential and/or classified information.
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From kimthurman at insightbb.com  Sun Jun 13 01:46:00 2010
From: kimthurman at insightbb.com (Kimberly thurman)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:46:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac
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	<C9B1AAED-A247-4779-A07A-D90D20170300@gmail.com>
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Regular white Macbook does not have the card reader, just the MBP.
On Jun 12, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:

> Many macs come with a built-in SD reader, so you probably won't need  
> to by a USB one. All iMac and Macbook Pro models have the SD reader.  
> I'm not sure about the plastic Macbook, and the Mini doesn't have it.
>
> IC
> On Jun 12, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Corbb O'Connor wrote:
>
>> The Victor Reader Stream will freeze your computer, in my  
>> experience, if you try to use the included USB cable. However, if  
>> you get an SD card reader with a USB port -- about $20 at any  
>> computer/electronics store -- then it will work just fine. You  
>> won't have a HumanWare Companion, but you can still copy files.
>>
>> Corbb
>>
>>
>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 3:46 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>> It should work fine with all of those devices. I'm not completely  
>> sure about the BrailleNote, although I think you should be able to  
>> use it as a braille display with no problems. I don't use braille  
>> so I can't tell you for sure. In any case I love my Mac...it works  
>> very well...
>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:17 AM, David wrote:
>>
>>> Hi my name is David Thomas
>>> I am a friend with Jorge Paez.
>>> I am thinking about switching from windows to a Mac.
>>> These are the devices I need it to work with
>>> VR Stream, Braille note,
>>> NLS talking book player and iPod Touch.
>>> Any help would be appreciated
>>> David Thomas
>>> Owner and moderator of electronicsandmorefortheblind at electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com 
>>>  with subscribe in the subject line
>>> Vice President of Paez Production Networks
>>> subscribe to No Eyes required on iTunes e-mail me with any  
>>> concerns at davidschool97 at gmail.com
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From jj at bestmidi.com  Sun Jun 13 01:57:35 2010
From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:57:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] cooking questions
References: <mailman.33.1276275609.24379.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org><001401cb0a53$5a8881d0$0f998570$@com><AEC6D8C28DC44E1C840669C3EDFDAE96@jage>
	<8CC655164D944BF5A604FAA12ECDCC14@windows4c0ed96>
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Go to
http://google.com/blogsearch
And type in the name of the store.

J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com
A premier Code Factory, KNFB Reader, and Sendero distributor
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "V Nork" <ginisd at sbcglobal.net>
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking questions


> Hi, thanks for all this, one question,  I have not done a search on google
> for blog, could you tell me what I would type in  the the search box on
> google in the example you give in your e mail?  Thanks, Ginny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of J.J. Meddaugh
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 12:48 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking questions
>
> Unfortunately, grocery delivery isn't available everywhere yet.
> For those in this situation, here's some tips I've used.
> 1. Most stores have their weekly fliers online. You can use this to see
> what's on sale for the week and build your list around this if you wish.
>
> 2. Related to this, there are a growing number of blogs targeted at 
> mothers
> and other people who are trying to save money. They will go as far as to
> list the best sales for the week from several stores includes how you can
> combine coupons and sale prices to get things for free or almost free. To
> find these, search for your store name in Google's Blog search.
>
> 3. Print a list and bring this along with a pen to the store. If you are
> more specific on the list, it may save time. Include prices if you know 
> them
>
> to help your shopper locate the exact item. If you are unsure as to what
> they are getting you, feel the container, have them read the label, or if
> you are still unsure, make a mental note to ask the cashier.
>
> 4. Many stores which don't have delivery still list their products online.
> Wal-Mart, Meijer, Wal-Greens, and others come to mind. These may vary from
> store to store but it certainly helps if it's available.
>
> 5. Instead of using plastic bags, get a few of those environmentally-sound
> "green bags." They're usually around a buck and will generally hold more
> groceries. You could also bring a suitcase to the store or take a cab,
> depending on how close it is.
>
> 6. This is certainly a good case to pay a driver. If you have a friend 
> that
> is willing to help out for a few bucks or a dinner, great. Maybe there's a
> favor you can offer in return?
>
> 7. If you have a farmers' market near you, it's a great way to get produce
> and other items. I've found the people working these booths are happy to
> tell you what they have available. You can just go around the market like
> you would at the  convention exhibit hall.
>
>
> That's all I can think of for now. And I just made a strawberry-rhubarb 
> pie.
>
> Anyone want a piece?
>
>
> J.J. Meddaugh - ATGuys.com
> A premier Code Factory, KNFB Reader, and Sendero distributor
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sean Whalen" <smwhalenpsp at gmail.com>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 1:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking questions
>
>
>> Katie,
>>
>> I find shopping online and having groceries delivered to be vastly
>> superior
>> to the in-store experience.
>>
>> Of course, if I just need a few things which I can carry home, it is more
>> economical to drop into the store and have somebody grab the things I 
>> need
>> for me, but here are the advantages, as I see them, of shopping for
>> groceries online:
>>
>> 1) You are able to see everything that is available. If you shop with an
>> assistant, you usually tell them what you want, and they help you find 
>> it.
>> When shopping online, you can find things which you want to buy that you
>> may
>> have never even known existed. It is like being able to walk into a store
>> and actually browse their full selection. I found this quite liberating.
>>
>> 2) It takes far less time.
>>
>> 3) If you are buying more than you can carry, the cost of delivery is no
>> worse than the cost of the cab you would have to call to get your
>> groceries
>> home.
>>
>> 4) Let's face it, many of the people who help us shop are clueless. Among
>> other stories, I have had a guy who didn't know what a grannie smith 
>> apple
>> was and I have come home to realize that my balsamic vinaigrette was a
>> bottle of balsamic vinegar. Sometimes close just isn't good enough!
>>
>> 5) For many products, at least with pea pod grocery delivery, you can 
>> view
>> nutritional information and ingrediants. It gets cumbersome to ask an
>> employee to read the sodium content of every product you consider
>> purchasing.
>>
>> 6) Often, they have costs of foods broken down by cost per ounce or cost
>> per
>> unit. This makes price comparison very convenient.
>>
>> If you need more reasons, I'll try to think of them, but it is the only
>> way
>> I do major grocery shopping.
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
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From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Sun Jun 13 03:33:26 2010
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 22:33:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Requesting Titles From NLS
In-Reply-To: <206E59311FBE492CA64430DC17352B67@Cptr233>
References: <75204FAF737044B9BB22FDB70A1F1C7C@Rufus>
	<206E59311FBE492CA64430DC17352B67@Cptr233>
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Hi.  I know that at least here in Missouri, you can call and ask them
to work on certain books for you, but honestly you may as well wait
for them to do it in their own time.  It might be easier that way,
especially if you know it will be up on the NLS website someday.  I
agree that the selection has definitely sucked lately.  Unfortunately,
I think they have an order (even if it doesn't make sense) for the
books they are adding.  Hope you find what your looking for.

On 6/12/10, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
> To be honest in the last 4 weeks, the selection of books put up on the
> website on Friday's  has completely sucked. As far as making a request, I am
> not sure.
>
> marsha
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Joe Orozco
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 8:02 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: [nabs-l] Requesting Titles From NLS
>
> Dear all,
>
> Has anyone ever tried requesting certain books to be added to NLS through
> their regional library?  If so, has it worked?  I'm a little disappointed
> with the titles that have been recently added, and I wish they would record
> a whole series rather than add an installment here and installment there,
> especially when the books are already available via cassette.  At this rate
> I'm going to cave in and listen to this infamous Twilight book, see what all
> the commotion is all about, but really, chick vampire frill reading?  Say it
> ain't so!  Anyway, I'd be curious to know if the libraries listen to patrons
> about book additions.  Thanks.
>
> Joe
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
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-- 
Julie McG
 Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
Eyes for the Blind

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
life."
John 3:16


From corbbo at gmail.com  Sun Jun 13 05:52:24 2010
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 01:52:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Newsline Question
In-Reply-To: <018840D925E9417C8B59FB2FAE8A68EA@SCHOOLLAPTOP>
References: <018840D925E9417C8B59FB2FAE8A68EA@SCHOOLLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <67304854-5217-47BE-B643-A391DDC5BCBF@gmail.com>

Congrats on graduating!

You can access NFB-Newsline at www.nfbnewslineonline.org -- so if you  
subscribe, then you can access Newsline on the Web, phone, and (if you  
have one) a portable device like the Victor Reader Stream.




From corbbo at gmail.com  Sun Jun 13 05:53:55 2010
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 01:53:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac
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	<5ACEB2456F5E44BEA4D699782B0A6097@stanford.edu>
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Fair point, Nicole. That's where my Virtual PC (Fusion, in my case,  
though Parallels works too) comes in handy. The mic is not very good,  
though, so I rarely use that feature of the Stream.

Corbb


On Jun 12, 2010, at 9:31 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini wrote:

Isn't not having a HumanWare
Companion a problem if you use the Stream for recording since there is  
not another way, at least not to my knowledge, to convert the sound  
files?

Nicole

----- Original Message ----- From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
 >
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac


> The Victor Reader Stream will freeze your computer, in my  
> experience,  if you try to use the included USB cable. However, if  
> you get an SD  card reader with a USB port -- about $20 at any  
> computer/electronics  store --  then it will work just fine. You  
> won't have a HumanWare  Companion, but you can still copy files.
>
> Corbb
>
>
> On Jun 12, 2010, at 3:46 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>
> Hello,
> It should work fine with all of those devices. I'm not completely  
> sure about the BrailleNote, although I think you should be able to  
> use it  as a braille display with no problems. I don't use braille  
> so I can't  tell you for sure. In any case I love my Mac...it works  
> very well...
> On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:17 AM, David wrote:
>
>> Hi my name is David Thomas
>> I am a friend with Jorge Paez.
>> I am thinking about switching from windows to a Mac.
>> These are the devices I need it to work with
>> VR Stream, Braille note,
>> NLS talking book player and iPod Touch.
>> Any help would be appreciated
>> David Thomas
>> Owner and moderator of electronicsandmorefortheblind at electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com 
>>  with subscribe in the subject line
>> Vice President of Paez Production Networks
>> subscribe to No Eyes required on iTunes e-mail me with any  
>> concerns  at davidschool97 at gmail.com
>> Please note:
>> this message may contain confidential and/or classified information.
>> Such information is only revealed to the person to whom this  
>> communication is directed to.
>> If you have received this message in error, please type "error" in   
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Sun Jun 13 08:09:45 2010
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 04:09:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac
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What do you mean by converting the files? Most files play just fine as they are...
On Jun 13, 2010, at 1:53 AM, Corbb O'Connor wrote:

> Fair point, Nicole. That's where my Virtual PC (Fusion, in my case, though Parallels works too) comes in handy. The mic is not very good, though, so I rarely use that feature of the Stream.
> 
> Corbb
> 
> 
> On Jun 12, 2010, at 9:31 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini wrote:
> 
> Isn't not having a HumanWare
> Companion a problem if you use the Stream for recording since there is not another way, at least not to my knowledge, to convert the sound files?
> 
> Nicole
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac
> 
> 
>> The Victor Reader Stream will freeze your computer, in my experience,  if you try to use the included USB cable. However, if you get an SD  card reader with a USB port -- about $20 at any computer/electronics  store --  then it will work just fine. You won't have a HumanWare  Companion, but you can still copy files.
>> 
>> Corbb
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 3:46 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> It should work fine with all of those devices. I'm not completely sure about the BrailleNote, although I think you should be able to use it  as a braille display with no problems. I don't use braille so I can't  tell you for sure. In any case I love my Mac...it works very well...
>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:17 AM, David wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi my name is David Thomas
>>> I am a friend with Jorge Paez.
>>> I am thinking about switching from windows to a Mac.
>>> These are the devices I need it to work with
>>> VR Stream, Braille note,
>>> NLS talking book player and iPod Touch.
>>> Any help would be appreciated
>>> David Thomas
>>> Owner and moderator of electronicsandmorefortheblind at electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com with subscribe in the subject line
>>> Vice President of Paez Production Networks
>>> subscribe to No Eyes required on iTunes e-mail me with any concerns  at davidschool97 at gmail.com
>>> Please note:
>>> this message may contain confidential and/or classified information.
>>> Such information is only revealed to the person to whom this communication is directed to.
>>> If you have received this message in error, please type "error" in  the subject line for the reply message and destroy any and all  copies of this message and/or any accompanying media.
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Sun Jun 13 08:10:49 2010
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 04:10:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac
In-Reply-To: <87A8AA4F-4E52-466A-8E62-5912203E7224@insightbb.com>
References: <AF599D1A5A1A4462A57EE4712DF6BAE6@Davidpc>
	<C9B1AAED-A247-4779-A07A-D90D20170300@gmail.com>
	<9120A7FC-F9F0-4EC3-8872-44F993DC872F@gmail.com>
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The iMac has it too. I just ordered one last week and it has it...
On Jun 12, 2010, at 9:46 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:

> Regular white Macbook does not have the card reader, just the MBP.
> On Jun 12, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
> 
>> Many macs come with a built-in SD reader, so you probably won't need to by a USB one. All iMac and Macbook Pro models have the SD reader. I'm not sure about the plastic Macbook, and the Mini doesn't have it.
>> 
>> IC
>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 3:46 PM, Corbb O'Connor wrote:
>> 
>>> The Victor Reader Stream will freeze your computer, in my experience, if you try to use the included USB cable. However, if you get an SD card reader with a USB port -- about $20 at any computer/electronics store -- then it will work just fine. You won't have a HumanWare Companion, but you can still copy files.
>>> 
>>> Corbb
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 3:46 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> It should work fine with all of those devices. I'm not completely sure about the BrailleNote, although I think you should be able to use it as a braille display with no problems. I don't use braille so I can't tell you for sure. In any case I love my Mac...it works very well...
>>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:17 AM, David wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi my name is David Thomas
>>>> I am a friend with Jorge Paez.
>>>> I am thinking about switching from windows to a Mac.
>>>> These are the devices I need it to work with
>>>> VR Stream, Braille note,
>>>> NLS talking book player and iPod Touch.
>>>> Any help would be appreciated
>>>> David Thomas
>>>> Owner and moderator of electronicsandmorefortheblind at electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com with subscribe in the subject line
>>>> Vice President of Paez Production Networks
>>>> subscribe to No Eyes required on iTunes e-mail me with any concerns at davidschool97 at gmail.com
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sun Jun 13 16:43:50 2010
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 09:43:50 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac
References: <AF599D1A5A1A4462A57EE4712DF6BAE6@Davidpc><C9B1AAED-A247-4779-A07A-D90D20170300@gmail.com><9120A7FC-F9F0-4EC3-8872-44F993DC872F@gmail.com><5ACEB2456F5E44BEA4D699782B0A6097@stanford.edu><702302E0-779D-4038-BD80-BD18BE4185B7@gmail.com>
	<48463E57-62D2-4821-B93A-8B0D40BF3761@gmail.com>
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I meant going from the Stream to your computer. The Stream records in some 
format that no other device (to the best of my knowledge) will recognize, 
and the Stream companion program is needed to convert the files to .wav 
format.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac


> What do you mean by converting the files? Most files play just fine as 
> they are...
> On Jun 13, 2010, at 1:53 AM, Corbb O'Connor wrote:
>
>> Fair point, Nicole. That's where my Virtual PC (Fusion, in my case, 
>> though Parallels works too) comes in handy. The mic is not very good, 
>> though, so I rarely use that feature of the Stream.
>>
>> Corbb
>>
>>
>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 9:31 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini wrote:
>>
>> Isn't not having a HumanWare
>> Companion a problem if you use the Stream for recording since there is 
>> not another way, at least not to my knowledge, to convert the sound 
>> files?
>>
>> Nicole
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 12:46 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac
>>
>>
>>> The Victor Reader Stream will freeze your computer, in my experience, 
>>> if you try to use the included USB cable. However, if you get an SD 
>>> card reader with a USB port -- about $20 at any computer/electronics 
>>> store --  then it will work just fine. You won't have a HumanWare 
>>> Companion, but you can still copy files.
>>>
>>> Corbb
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 3:46 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> It should work fine with all of those devices. I'm not completely sure 
>>> about the BrailleNote, although I think you should be able to use it  as 
>>> a braille display with no problems. I don't use braille so I can't  tell 
>>> you for sure. In any case I love my Mac...it works very well...
>>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:17 AM, David wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi my name is David Thomas
>>>> I am a friend with Jorge Paez.
>>>> I am thinking about switching from windows to a Mac.
>>>> These are the devices I need it to work with
>>>> VR Stream, Braille note,
>>>> NLS talking book player and iPod Touch.
>>>> Any help would be appreciated
>>>> David Thomas
>>>> Owner and moderator of electronicsandmorefortheblind at 
>>>> electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com with subscribe in the 
>>>> subject line
>>>> Vice President of Paez Production Networks
>>>> subscribe to No Eyes required on iTunes e-mail me with any concerns  at 
>>>> davidschool97 at gmail.com
>>>> Please note:
>>>> this message may contain confidential and/or classified information.
>>>> Such information is only revealed to the person to whom this 
>>>> communication is directed to.
>>>> If you have received this message in error, please type "error" in  the 
>>>> subject line for the reply message and destroy any and all  copies of 
>>>> this message and/or any accompanying media.
>>>>
>>>>
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From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com  Sun Jun 13 17:36:13 2010
From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:36:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Newsline Question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.19.1276448402.22899.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
References: <mailman.19.1276448402.22899.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <000801cb0b1e$ebe88640$c3b992c0$@com>

In addition to reading online, on the phone, and on portable devices, you
can have your favorite publications emailed to you. The Wall Street Journal
and The Economist are available on Newsline. There may be other business
oriented publications. Just go check around on the website Corbb provided.

Sean



From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Sun Jun 13 22:43:27 2010
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:43:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac
In-Reply-To: <24946DC85D1B47869B3AC21EB847C73D@stanford.edu>
References: <AF599D1A5A1A4462A57EE4712DF6BAE6@Davidpc><C9B1AAED-A247-4779-A07A-D90D20170300@gmail.com><9120A7FC-F9F0-4EC3-8872-44F993DC872F@gmail.com><5ACEB2456F5E44BEA4D699782B0A6097@stanford.edu><702302E0-779D-4038-BD80-BD18BE4185B7@gmail.com>
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Oh yes yes you are completely right. I think I was too sleepy this morning :)!

Ignasi
On Jun 13, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini wrote:

> I meant going from the Stream to your computer. The Stream records in some format that no other device (to the best of my knowledge) will recognize, and the Stream companion program is needed to convert the files to .wav format.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac
> 
> 
>> What do you mean by converting the files? Most files play just fine as they are...
>> On Jun 13, 2010, at 1:53 AM, Corbb O'Connor wrote:
>> 
>>> Fair point, Nicole. That's where my Virtual PC (Fusion, in my case, though Parallels works too) comes in handy. The mic is not very good, though, so I rarely use that feature of the Stream.
>>> 
>>> Corbb
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 9:31 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini wrote:
>>> 
>>> Isn't not having a HumanWare
>>> Companion a problem if you use the Stream for recording since there is not another way, at least not to my knowledge, to convert the sound files?
>>> 
>>> Nicole
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 12:46 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> The Victor Reader Stream will freeze your computer, in my experience, if you try to use the included USB cable. However, if you get an SD card reader with a USB port -- about $20 at any computer/electronics store --  then it will work just fine. You won't have a HumanWare Companion, but you can still copy files.
>>>> 
>>>> Corbb
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 3:46 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> It should work fine with all of those devices. I'm not completely sure about the BrailleNote, although I think you should be able to use it  as a braille display with no problems. I don't use braille so I can't  tell you for sure. In any case I love my Mac...it works very well...
>>>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:17 AM, David wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi my name is David Thomas
>>>>> I am a friend with Jorge Paez.
>>>>> I am thinking about switching from windows to a Mac.
>>>>> These are the devices I need it to work with
>>>>> VR Stream, Braille note,
>>>>> NLS talking book player and iPod Touch.
>>>>> Any help would be appreciated
>>>>> David Thomas
>>>>> Owner and moderator of electronicsandmorefortheblind at electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com with subscribe in the subject line
>>>>> Vice President of Paez Production Networks
>>>>> subscribe to No Eyes required on iTunes e-mail me with any concerns  at davidschool97 at gmail.com
>>>>> Please note:
>>>>> this message may contain confidential and/or classified information.
>>>>> Such information is only revealed to the person to whom this communication is directed to.
>>>>> If you have received this message in error, please type "error" in  the subject line for the reply message and destroy any and all  copies of this message and/or any accompanying media.
>>>>> 
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sun Jun 13 23:44:42 2010
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 16:44:42 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac
References: <AF599D1A5A1A4462A57EE4712DF6BAE6@Davidpc><C9B1AAED-A247-4779-A07A-D90D20170300@gmail.com><9120A7FC-F9F0-4EC3-8872-44F993DC872F@gmail.com><5ACEB2456F5E44BEA4D699782B0A6097@stanford.edu><702302E0-779D-4038-BD80-BD18BE4185B7@gmail.com><48463E57-62D2-4821-B93A-8B0D40BF3761@gmail.com><24946DC85D1B47869B3AC21EB847C73D@stanford.edu>
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I know the feeling. I think that we are all guilty of that one at least a 
couple of times.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac


> Oh yes yes you are completely right. I think I was too sleepy this morning 
> :)!
>
> Ignasi
> On Jun 13, 2010, at 12:43 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini wrote:
>
>> I meant going from the Stream to your computer. The Stream records in 
>> some format that no other device (to the best of my knowledge) will 
>> recognize, and the Stream companion program is needed to convert the 
>> files to .wav format.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ignasi Cambra" 
>> <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 1:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac
>>
>>
>>> What do you mean by converting the files? Most files play just fine as 
>>> they are...
>>> On Jun 13, 2010, at 1:53 AM, Corbb O'Connor wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fair point, Nicole. That's where my Virtual PC (Fusion, in my case, 
>>>> though Parallels works too) comes in handy. The mic is not very good, 
>>>> though, so I rarely use that feature of the Stream.
>>>>
>>>> Corbb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 9:31 PM, Nicole B. Torcolini wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Isn't not having a HumanWare
>>>> Companion a problem if you use the Stream for recording since there is 
>>>> not another way, at least not to my knowledge, to convert the sound 
>>>> files?
>>>>
>>>> Nicole
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 12:46 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The Victor Reader Stream will freeze your computer, in my experience, 
>>>>> if you try to use the included USB cable. However, if you get an SD 
>>>>> card reader with a USB port -- about $20 at any computer/electronics 
>>>>> store --  then it will work just fine. You won't have a HumanWare 
>>>>> Companion, but you can still copy files.
>>>>>
>>>>> Corbb
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 3:46 AM, Ignasi Cambra wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> It should work fine with all of those devices. I'm not completely sure 
>>>>> about the BrailleNote, although I think you should be able to use it 
>>>>> as a braille display with no problems. I don't use braille so I can't 
>>>>> tell you for sure. In any case I love my Mac...it works very well...
>>>>> On Jun 12, 2010, at 1:17 AM, David wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi my name is David Thomas
>>>>>> I am a friend with Jorge Paez.
>>>>>> I am thinking about switching from windows to a Mac.
>>>>>> These are the devices I need it to work with
>>>>>> VR Stream, Braille note,
>>>>>> NLS talking book player and iPod Touch.
>>>>>> Any help would be appreciated
>>>>>> David Thomas
>>>>>> Owner and moderator of electronicsandmorefortheblind at 
>>>>>> electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com with subscribe in the 
>>>>>> subject line
>>>>>> Vice President of Paez Production Networks
>>>>>> subscribe to No Eyes required on iTunes e-mail me with any concerns 
>>>>>> at davidschool97 at gmail.com
>>>>>> Please note:
>>>>>> this message may contain confidential and/or classified information.
>>>>>> Such information is only revealed to the person to whom this 
>>>>>> communication is directed to.
>>>>>> If you have received this message in error, please type "error" in 
>>>>>> the subject line for the reply message and destroy any and all 
>>>>>> copies of this message and/or any accompanying media.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Jun 14 00:06:25 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:06:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Requesting Titles From NLS
In-Reply-To: <75204FAF737044B9BB22FDB70A1F1C7C@Rufus>
References: <75204FAF737044B9BB22FDB70A1F1C7C@Rufus>
Message-ID: <auto-000157841483@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Joe:

I think that NLS does give genuine consideration to each book request 
-- but just because something is requested does not mean that it will 
be done.  So, you may be disappointed.

I read the twilight stuff -- even though it isn't my normal kind of 
read.  There is some teenage angst, heavy breathing, looking on 
lovely boy stuff, but the story is ok, and characters are good.

Dave

At 07:02 PM 6/12/2010, you wrote:
>Dear all,
>
>Has anyone ever tried requesting certain books to be added to NLS through
>their regional library?  If so, has it worked?  I'm a little disappointed
>with the titles that have been recently added, and I wish they would record
>a whole series rather than add an installment here and installment there,
>especially when the books are already available via cassette.  At this rate
>I'm going to cave in and listen to this infamous Twilight book, see what all
>the commotion is all about, but really, chick vampire frill reading?  Say it
>ain't so!  Anyway, I'd be curious to know if the libraries listen to patrons
>about book additions.  Thanks.
>
>Joe
>
>"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
>some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>

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From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Jun 14 00:10:31 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:10:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Requesting Titles From NLS
In-Reply-To: <206E59311FBE492CA64430DC17352B67@Cptr233>
References: <75204FAF737044B9BB22FDB70A1F1C7C@Rufus>
	<206E59311FBE492CA64430DC17352B67@Cptr233>
Message-ID: <auto-000157841636@mailfront1.g2host.com>

In all fairness to NLS, they are trying to do two things, a. have a 
balanced collection, and b. meet the needs of the majority of their 
users.  Overall I think they do well, and it isn't fair to them to 
take a snapshot of new releases over a short period of time and 
decide their book selection stinks.  You need to take a broader view.

Dave

At 08:21 PM 6/12/2010, you wrote:
>To be honest in the last 4 weeks, the selection of books put up on the
>website on Friday's  has completely sucked. As far as making a request, I am
>not sure.
>
>marsha
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>Of Joe Orozco
>Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 8:02 PM
>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>Subject: [nabs-l] Requesting Titles From NLS
>
>Dear all,
>
>Has anyone ever tried requesting certain books to be added to NLS through
>their regional library?  If so, has it worked?  I'm a little disappointed
>with the titles that have been recently added, and I wish they would record
>a whole series rather than add an installment here and installment there,
>especially when the books are already available via cassette.  At this rate
>I'm going to cave in and listen to this infamous Twilight book, see what all
>the commotion is all about, but really, chick vampire frill reading?  Say it
>ain't so!  Anyway, I'd be curious to know if the libraries listen to patrons
>about book additions.  Thanks.
>
>Joe
>
>"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
>some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>

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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Mon Jun 14 08:48:10 2010
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:48:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Sharing taxi in Dallas...?
Message-ID: <8219098A-6126-44E8-AFD2-8F4E8C9C5979@gmail.com>

Hey all,
I will be arriving to the Dallas / Forth Worth airport on july 3rd at 1:00pm (Dallas time) for the National Convention. I was wondering if anyone would be interested in sharing a taxi to the Hilton Anatole with me? Please contact me at ignasicambra at gmail.com if you are interested. If you are getting there a little later I'll be happy to wait.
Anyone interested please let me know. Thanks and see you all in Dallas!

Ignasi

From herekittykat2 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 14 21:13:14 2010
From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:13:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] blind students in ASL courses
In-Reply-To: <20100610210324.24827.54285@web3>
References: <20100610210324.24827.54285@web3>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinUbfR0Lv43y8vppxypluC1ZweReCUWexWcWKOu@mail.gmail.com>

I have wanted to take ASL classes, also, and when I talked to the
interpreter of a deafblind friend of mine (who was busy in class at
the time(, she suggested that I ask about a tactile interpreter,
someone who would sign everything directly into my hands. She
suggested this because Jenn, who is deaf-blind, and I had been signing
just fine to each other through tactile signing (signing directly into
each others' hands, though I often couldn't follow her fast signs and
ASL grammar (I know signed English, but not ASL grammar). So...I would
suggest a tactile interpreter, and perhaps send two copies of an ASL
textbook to RFBD to have them record it. They will record any textbook
you send them if you send two copies. In this way, they will describe
the graphics, the signs in the pictures. Call RFBD before you do this,
because they may have to figure out something special for such a
picture-intensive textbook as one of ASL. Also, a tutor would be a
very important thing for a blind student in an ASL class, as that
would be the only viable way of studying by making signs. The tutor
could tell the student if they are doing it right. I think the best
tutor would be someone who is fluent in ASL. The person could be deaf;
the student would have even more reason to learn ASL, but at the same
time, a hearing tutor would be able to communicate easier with the
blind student.

Some thoughts,
Jewel

P.S.- Please let me know how this goes, for my own reference for
future ASL classes myself.

On 6/10/10, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net> wrote:
> Not necessarily. Many, if not most,  of the
> deaf/blind folks in the NFB prefer assisted listening over ASL. that
> doesn't mean one shouldn't try to contact the Deaf/Blind division, I'm
> just saying that it might be difficult to get the information you
> request. You might also go to the American Association of the
> Deaf/Blind (AADB) web site at http://www.aadb.org.
>
> I took ASL classes. I would highly recommend using a tactile
> interpreter. Your school's DSS should provide that service. Your
> tactile interpreter is responsible for signing anything she or he sees
> in the classroom and identifying who is signing what. Your interpreter
> can be Deaf or hearing depending on how your class is structured.
> Hopefully, your ASL instructor is Deaf and uses ASL on a pretty regular
> basis if not all the time.
>
> You'll undoubtedly hit a few obstacles as you work in ASL. The fact is
> that both the Deaf and blind communities consider the deaf/blind to be
> more handicapped than themselves. (the Deaf community more than the
> blind). When I was taking ASL, I noticed that the Deaf people I signed
> to didn't know what to do with me. Once they figured out that I'm a
> tactile signer, they'd sign with me. Unfortunately, they grabbed my
> hands a lot because they didn't think I could follow their hands by
> touch to know what they were saying. In a large gathering of deaf
> people, it's also really difficult to interact because people can sign
> across the room from each other and you'd never know it. Once you find
> someone to talk to, you then meet the difficulties I've just described.
> I'd highly recommend making friends in the Deaf community and going to
> Deaf gatherings with them so they can help you break down those barriers.
>
> Let me know by e-mail if you have any specific questions on tactile
> signing techniques. My e-mail is loneblindjedi at samobile.net.
>
> Respectfully,
> Jedi
> Original message:
>> Hello,
>
>> Have you contacted the Deafblind division of the NFB? While this
>> student isn't deafblind himself, I think they would have excellent
>> suggestions as to how to accommodate the blind student for this course.
>
>> http://www.nfb.org/nfb/deaf-blind_resources.asp?SnID=2
>
>> This resource list may be of some use to you.
>> Hope this helps.
>
>> Briley Pollard
>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Loew, Ruth wrote:
>
>>> Hi - I'm a sighted lurker on this listserv.  I know many of you from
>>> NABS meetings at the NFB Conventions and Washington Seminars.
>
>>> I participate in another listserv for people who work with deaf and hard
>>> of hearing college students.  Today someone raised an interesting
>>> question: a blind student has registered for an ASL (American Sign
>>> Language) class, and the Disability Services counselor is looking for
>>> suggestions as to how to make the class accessible and meaningful.
>
>>> I know that some NABS members have taken ASL courses.  Do any of you
>>> have ideas I could pass on to my colleagues?  You may contact me
>>> off-list at RLoew at ets.org; or, if you think the discussion would be of
>>> interest to others, feel free to post to the list, and I'll see your
>>> responses there.  Thanks!
>
>>> Ruth C. Loew, Ph.D.
>>> Assistant Director
>>> Office of Disability Policy, ETS
>
>
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Mon Jun 14 23:16:46 2010
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:16:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Ray McGeorge Update
Message-ID: <72BD7ED1F7BE4EDEB991ECA9366618C4@labarre>

Greetings Friends:

As  most of you know, Ray McGeorge came down with meningitis and was rushed to Rose Hospital here in Denver on May 9, 2010.  He has been unconscious since that point and suffered many set backs such seizures and a major stroke.

Ray fought the disease with everything that he was worth.  However, we are now at the point where has body has given up.  He is resting peacefully comfortably at Hospice of St. John's  here in the Denver area.  None of us knows exactly when the end will come and Ray will move on to the next life but we believe it will be soon.

Ray lived a great life and he was a true pioneer in advocating for the blind of our state and our country.  In these difficult moments, we ask for your continued thoughts and prayers.  Please honor Ray by reflecting on the difference he made and how you too can help make the world a better place for all of us.  Diane has appreciated your love and support greatly.    
With warm regards,
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
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From dianefilipe at peoplepc.com  Tue Jun 15 02:18:55 2010
From: dianefilipe at peoplepc.com (Diane)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:18:55 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Sharing taxi in Dallas...?
In-Reply-To: <8219098A-6126-44E8-AFD2-8F4E8C9C5979@gmail.com>
References: <8219098A-6126-44E8-AFD2-8F4E8C9C5979@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1F26B697EAEE46648B9A844DD50E7EB1@DianePC>

This is the information from Mrs. Maurer regarding the Super shuttle 
discounted trips for us!
It will be cheaper than a taxi!
https://www.supershuttle.com/GroupRez/TripDetails.aspx?GC=ZHDX7.
Diane

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 2:48 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Sharing taxi in Dallas...?


> Hey all,
> I will be arriving to the Dallas / Forth Worth airport on july 3rd at 
> 1:00pm (Dallas time) for the National Convention. I was wondering if 
> anyone would be interested in sharing a taxi to the Hilton Anatole with 
> me? Please contact me at ignasicambra at gmail.com if you are interested. If 
> you are getting there a little later I'll be happy to wait.
> Anyone interested please let me know. Thanks and see you all in Dallas!
>
> Ignasi
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From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Jun 15 07:32:39 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 02:32:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Thruoureyes Show Announcement
Message-ID: <auto-000158032174@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>
>Thru Our Eyes announces a doubleheader this
>
><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = 
>"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Wednesday, June 16, 
>2010 at 8:00 p.m. EST.
>
>At 8:00 p.m., Joe Ruffalo, host of Thru Our Eyes, president of the 
>state affiliate
>
>of the NFBNJ and a member of the national board of directors of the 
>NFB will interview
>
>Adam Szczepaniak, director of the New Jersey State Library Talking 
>Book and Braille
>
>Center
>
>Discussion will be centered around the history of the library 
>service, goals and
>
>objectives, new programs and projects.  In addition, proposed 
>funding reductions
>
>will be outlined and a how to "get involved to save our libraries" 
>will be highlighted.
>
>The new digital playerwill be featured.
>
>At 9:00 p.m., On the Bright Side with co-hosts, Jerry Moreno, 
>chapter president of
>
>the NFB in Charlotte, North Carolina and Jane Degenshein, founder 
>and leader of a
>
>support group, Eyes Closed, Hearts Open, ECHO and a member of the at 
>large chapter
>
>of the NFBNJ will interview Joseph Rocco Cervasio, author and 
>motivational speaker
>
>In addition, Jerry will discuss and highlight tech tips featuring 
>Youtube and other
>
>sites.
>
>Jane will highlight author J.A. Jance.
>
>How to access Thru Our Eyes
>
>logging into
>
>www.thruoureyes.org
>
>For JAWS users,
>
>www.thruoureyes.org/jaws.html
>
>If you wish to ask a question during the shows, please call
>
>1 888 572 0141

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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Tue Jun 15 15:20:59 2010
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 08:20:59 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Sharing taxi in Dallas...?
In-Reply-To: <1F26B697EAEE46648B9A844DD50E7EB1@DianePC>
References: <8219098A-6126-44E8-AFD2-8F4E8C9C5979@gmail.com>
	<1F26B697EAEE46648B9A844DD50E7EB1@DianePC>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinM0063Dwv2ELC2aLZccatFLwlp42l1Wrh-UglY@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Ignasi and list.
  two things I will suggest on  the topic of Transportation.
1. you can always check in with your state and see if there may be
individuals who are planning to  come in to dallas around the same
time as you plan to.
2. I believe Diane has kindly provided  the information regarding
super shuttle.  This is a very  good option that I plan on actually
taking advantage of myself.
it probably will end up being your cheapest  option at the end of  the day.
  Best,
   Darian


On 6/14/10, Diane <dianefilipe at peoplepc.com> wrote:
> This is the information from Mrs. Maurer regarding the Super shuttle
> discounted trips for us!
> It will be cheaper than a taxi!
> https://www.supershuttle.com/GroupRez/TripDetails.aspx?GC=ZHDX7.
> Diane
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 2:48 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Sharing taxi in Dallas...?
>
>
>> Hey all,
>> I will be arriving to the Dallas / Forth Worth airport on july 3rd at
>> 1:00pm (Dallas time) for the National Convention. I was wondering if
>> anyone would be interested in sharing a taxi to the Hilton Anatole with
>> me? Please contact me at ignasicambra at gmail.com if you are interested. If
>> you are getting there a little later I'll be happy to wait.
>> Anyone interested please let me know. Thanks and see you all in Dallas!
>>
>> Ignasi
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spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin


From dianefilipe at peoplepc.com  Tue Jun 15 16:27:45 2010
From: dianefilipe at peoplepc.com (Diane)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 10:27:45 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Sharing taxi in Dallas...?
In-Reply-To: <8219098A-6126-44E8-AFD2-8F4E8C9C5979@gmail.com>
References: <8219098A-6126-44E8-AFD2-8F4E8C9C5979@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0FD2E2B3EC86404A88FF981B5D8B56EE@DianePC>

I just made my super shuttle reservation for Dallas and it is only $22 round 
trip with the NFB special package.
Diane
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ignasi Cambra" <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 2:48 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Sharing taxi in Dallas...?


> Hey all,
> I will be arriving to the Dallas / Forth Worth airport on july 3rd at 
> 1:00pm (Dallas time) for the National Convention. I was wondering if 
> anyone would be interested in sharing a taxi to the Hilton Anatole with 
> me? Please contact me at ignasicambra at gmail.com if you are interested. If 
> you are getting there a little later I'll be happy to wait.
> Anyone interested please let me know. Thanks and see you all in Dallas!
>
> Ignasi
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> nabs-l mailing list
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From liziswhatis at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 15 20:39:23 2010
From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:39:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac
In-Reply-To: <9120A7FC-F9F0-4EC3-8872-44F993DC872F@gmail.com>
References: <AF599D1A5A1A4462A57EE4712DF6BAE6@Davidpc>	<C9B1AAED-A247-4779-A07A-D90D20170300@gmail.com>
	<9120A7FC-F9F0-4EC3-8872-44F993DC872F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT124-DS3609C281AF3845A6C5625BADD0@phx.gbl>

SD cards and readers can be a lot cheaper if ordered online.

Liz

email: 
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From freethaught at gmail.com  Tue Jun 15 21:32:03 2010
From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 17:32:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Requesting Titles From NLS
References: <75204FAF737044B9BB22FDB70A1F1C7C@Rufus>
	<auto-000157841483@mailfront1.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <9F640A34F20B4D6A8D1E50B43AEB4BBB@userf9b4fa60eb>

There are representatives from each region and from organizations advising 
NLS on what to add to the collection.

I believe the NFB is represented in this regard by Anil Lewis.

This information comes out periodically in the braille book review and 
talking book topics.

Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.

Student, Western Governors University
(617) 744-9716
Eastern time zone
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Andrews" <dandrews at visi.com>
To: <jsorozco at gmail.com>; "National Association of Blind Students mailing 
list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Requesting Titles From NLS


> Joe:
>
> I think that NLS does give genuine consideration to each book request --  
> but just because something is requested does not mean that it will be 
> done.  So, you may be disappointed.
>
> I read the twilight stuff -- even though it isn't my normal kind of read. 
> There is some teenage angst, heavy breathing, looking on lovely boy stuff, 
> but the story is ok, and characters are good.
>
> Dave
>
> At 07:02 PM 6/12/2010, you wrote:
>>Dear all,
>>
>>Has anyone ever tried requesting certain books to be added to NLS through
>>their regional library?  If so, has it worked?  I'm a little disappointed
>>with the titles that have been recently added, and I wish they would 
>>record
>>a whole series rather than add an installment here and installment there,
>>especially when the books are already available via cassette.  At this 
>>rate
>>I'm going to cave in and listen to this infamous Twilight book, see what 
>>all
>>the commotion is all about, but really, chick vampire frill reading?  Say 
>>it
>>ain't so!  Anyway, I'd be curious to know if the libraries listen to 
>>patrons
>>about book additions.  Thanks.
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
>>some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>
>
>                         David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
> Follow me on Twitter:  http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Tue Jun 15 22:30:35 2010
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 18:30:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] switching to a Mac
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The new mac minis that came out today also have an SD card slot. So all macbook pros, the iMac and the mac Mini have it, and I guess the plastic macbook should have it too.

IC
On Jun 15, 2010, at 4:39 PM, Liz Bottner wrote:

> SD cards and readers can be a lot cheaper if ordered online.
> 
> Liz
> 
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From jj at bestmidi.com  Tue Jun 15 23:07:14 2010
From: jj at bestmidi.com (J.J. Meddaugh)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 19:07:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] $45 for 4 people in an Escalade from Dallas Airport
Message-ID: <8E763595D7B348CAA48A2E06496638E1@jage>

I have been checking out the daily coupon deals on the website Groupon and noticed this one for transportation to/from the airport in Dallas. 
The below deal is available through Wednesday and is for up to 4 people for $45.


Chauffeur up to four people
Ride in a Cadillac Escalade
Good within 40 miles of airport
Includes satellite TV, complimentary bottled-water service & newspaper
For $45, today's side deal gets you a car service for up to four people to or from
Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport from
Platinum Executive Sedan Service
, an $85 value. Pick-up and drop-off points must be within a 40-mile radius of DFW.
Platinum Executive will pick you and your entourage up in a shiny, tricked-out black
Cadillac Escalade and ferry you to or from the airport in style. Piloting your glammobile
will be an affable, able driver, skilled in courtesy and passing on the left. The
driver will pick you up any time of day or night, so you can razzle-dazzle at the
curbside check-in even at 3 a.m. Relax in the supple leather seats, and let someone
else fight the Dallas traffic.
You must book your appoint at least 24 hours in advance.
To get this, go to the link below and select Dallas as your city. It's the secocnd deal on the page.
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J.J.

From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 15 23:32:16 2010
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 19:32:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab counselors and employment
Message-ID: <52B1B3AF185B499888256AA8E589FD22@Ashley>

Hi all,

For those of you in the job search or who have been there, what strategies worked for you?  What did your rehab counselor do to assist you?  I cannot get in touch with my counselor in a timely manner.  I don't know what her role should be.  I think they give clients job coaches upon request.  I wonder what they do for you?

I'd like any advice for communicating with rehab counselors.  I feel as if they don't care about their jobs and steer people toward certain jobs so they can close more cases making them look good.  For instance mine emphasizes the federal government; I am open to that but feel I'd be happier in a small business where more gets done without bureaurcracy.

Thanks.
Ashley

From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 15 23:36:04 2010
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 19:36:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] job search strategies
References: <D4E99A063EF8400CA3ED688917FE575E@Ashley><4E5758F69A2B43A48ACC110E05050766@RainaIsmailPC>
	<AANLkTilecZa3DTmZrJXRj6zLx6ZHKsQAAom7O4AYdK57@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8E1B1C16C70B4433BE254514686BCECE@Ashley>

Katy,

What are you doing in the internship?
Hope its going well.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Katy Carroll" <kc2992a at student.american.edu>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] job search strategies


> Hi all,
>
> I just graduated this month, and so I am out in the job market. I am
> starting a paid internship soon.
>
> Does your school have a career center, or an office that keeps a job
> database for students? Also, try some job websites likes monster.com or, 
> if
> you want government work, usajobs.gov. You can try a more local job site.
> Since I am located in the DC area, I would be on dcjobs.com, for example.
> I have put my resume into a few job placement programs, but I haven't 
> heard
> anything back from them. I find this very surprising.
> And, finally, I have found that friends, acquaintances, and colleagues can
> be the best resource of all.
>
> Best of luck,
> Kate
>
> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Rania <raniaismail04 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ashley those are some good questions.
>> I will be graduating in two months and want to start looking for a place 
>> to
>> work so I at least have something in place while I wait to receive my 
>> state
>> license.
>> I am looking to stay in my ariea.
>> So are there any suggestions as to how I can get started?
>> Rania,
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:40 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] job search strategies
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> For those of you who graduated and are looking or looked for work, what 
>> did
>> you do?  What was the best source of job leads?  An internet site? 
>> Friends
>> at the companies you wanted to work for?
>> Did your rehab counselor give you guidance or someone to work with such 
>> as
>> a
>> job coach?  Did you recieve job development help through VR or your
>> college?
>>
>> I want to get a clerical position, outreach position, or some position to
>> use my writing skills.
>>
>> My VR counselor said she wants me to use Job placement services but did 
>> not
>> elaborate on it; she will in a meeting.  Do you all know what this means
>> and
>> will this help me?  My gut feeling tells me that a third party attempting
>> to
>> "sell" me to an employer or place me somewhere- a place I may know 
>> nothing
>> about may not work to my advantage because the employer may not get to 
>> know
>> me and if I get a job then they may not like my personality or something
>> may
>> not work out in our relationship.
>>
>> Look forward to your thoughts.
>>
>> Ashley
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 30 00:45:15 2010
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania )
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 19:45:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab counselors and employment
In-Reply-To: <52B1B3AF185B499888256AA8E589FD22@Ashley>
References: <52B1B3AF185B499888256AA8E589FD22@Ashley>
Message-ID: <74CA9CA4A997427DA97A6A33C99D49DC@RainaIsmailPC>

Ashley I feel the same way you do about my counselor.
I some times wish she cared more about her job! She tried to get me to go to
work instead of going back to school to finish up and occomplish my goal of
becoming a massage therapist! Well I have to say that I pushed and went back
to school at the school my counselor tried to talk me out of going to!
I only have 5 weeks left! As for the job search thing I think I am going to
go on my own with this and then if I need my counselor I am going to have
her involved and hope she does her job!
Rania, 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of bookwormahb at earthlink.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:32 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab counselors and employment

Hi all,

For those of you in the job search or who have been there, what strategies
worked for you?  What did your rehab counselor do to assist you?  I cannot
get in touch with my counselor in a timely manner.  I don't know what her
role should be.  I think they give clients job coaches upon request.  I
wonder what they do for you?

I'd like any advice for communicating with rehab counselors.  I feel as if
they don't care about their jobs and steer people toward certain jobs so
they can close more cases making them look good.  For instance mine
emphasizes the federal government; I am open to that but feel I'd be happier
in a small business where more gets done without bureaurcracy.

Thanks.
Ashley
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From brice.smith319 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 16 00:38:35 2010
From: brice.smith319 at gmail.com (Brice.Smith319@gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 00:38:35 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab counselors and employment
Message-ID: <4c181d4d.1d255e0a.5321.ffffb025@mx.google.com>

Do not cling to the counselor or expect them to do all the work. This was the absolute hardest lesson i had to learn when searching for summer internships and I'm still dealing with the disappointing results. Rehab counselors usually will not work magic.

Job searching really is a do it yourself process. That said, it's far better to use your university's career center If you can. Take advantage of the services they offer, from help with resume writing to mock interviews. If nothing else, they may have access to job listings that may be harder to find otherwise.

Brice
-----Original Message-----
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net
Sent:  06/15/2010, 7:32  PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab counselors and employment


Hi all,

For those of you in the job search or who have been there, what strategies worked for you?  What did your rehab counselor do to assist you?  I cannot get in touch with my counselor in a timely manner.  I don't know what her role should be.  I think they give clients job coaches upon request.  I wonder what they do for you?

I'd like any advice for communicating with rehab counselors.  I feel as if they don't care about their jobs and steer people toward certain jobs so they can close more cases making them look good.  For instance mine emphasizes the federal government; I am open to that but feel I'd be happier in a small business where more gets done without bureaurcracy.

Thanks.
Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 16 01:30:31 2010
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:30:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab counselors and employment
References: <4c181d4d.1d255e0a.5321.ffffb025@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <7C82C62AB6AE441D8045F21C296F0CBA@Ashley>

Hi Brice,
Of course we need to do much of the job search ourselves.
Networking is key because often times sending out resumes to unknown 
companies does not work.

My point in the email was to find out what role the counselor should play. 
They have some responsibility in it too.  Maybe they could send you job 
announcements or something.  Maybe they should create a employment support 
group for job seekers to share ideas.  They need to care about their job.

Yes its definately effective to use the university career center.  I'm going 
to use that again as an alumni.  Many schools including mine have job fairs 
s well and that's a great thing to attend.

Ashley

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com" <brice.smith319 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab counselors and employment


> Do not cling to the counselor or expect them to do all the work. This was 
> the absolute hardest lesson i had to learn when searching for summer 
> internships and I'm still dealing with the disappointing results. Rehab 
> counselors usually will not work magic.
>
> Job searching really is a do it yourself process. That said, it's far 
> better to use your university's career center If you can. Take advantage 
> of the services they offer, from help with resume writing to mock 
> interviews. If nothing else, they may have access to job listings that may 
> be harder to find otherwise.
>
> Brice
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> Sent:  06/15/2010, 7:32  PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] rehab counselors and employment
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> For those of you in the job search or who have been there, what strategies 
> worked for you?  What did your rehab counselor do to assist you?  I cannot 
> get in touch with my counselor in a timely manner.  I don't know what her 
> role should be.  I think they give clients job coaches upon request.  I 
> wonder what they do for you?
>
> I'd like any advice for communicating with rehab counselors.  I feel as if 
> they don't care about their jobs and steer people toward certain jobs so 
> they can close more cases making them look good.  For instance mine 
> emphasizes the federal government; I am open to that but feel I'd be 
> happier in a small business where more gets done without bureaurcracy.
>
> Thanks.
> Ashley
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From rjaquiss at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 16 01:45:10 2010
From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (Robert Jaquiss)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:45:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab counselors and employment
References: <52B1B3AF185B499888256AA8E589FD22@Ashley>
Message-ID: <3F8F095CA7094B47A6BC2DA97A562AE8@D3DTZP41>

Hello Ashley:

     I suggest using your college's placement service. Depending on what 
kind of job you are after, professional websites and  publications will have 
job postings. As for rehab counselsors, mine has been very helpful. She gets 
me reimbursed for my school expenses and also provided me a braille display. 
She has been good about returning emails and phone calls.

Regards,

Robert Jaquiss

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:32 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab counselors and employment


> Hi all,
>
> For those of you in the job search or who have been there, what strategies 
> worked for you?  What did your rehab counselor do to assist you?  I cannot 
> get in touch with my counselor in a timely manner.  I don't know what her 
> role should be.  I think they give clients job coaches upon request.  I 
> wonder what they do for you?
>
> I'd like any advice for communicating with rehab counselors.  I feel as if 
> they don't care about their jobs and steer people toward certain jobs so 
> they can close more cases making them look good.  For instance mine 
> emphasizes the federal government; I am open to that but feel I'd be 
> happier in a small business where more gets done without bureaurcracy.
>
> Thanks.
> Ashley
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From rjaquiss at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 16 01:46:29 2010
From: rjaquiss at earthlink.net (Robert Jaquiss)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:46:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [New post] Landing that Job...Career Advice on
	Bookshare
Message-ID: <44165DF02A084DC1BF8906D7FA0E404B@D3DTZP41>

WordPress.comHello:

     Here is a post from the BookShare blog regarding job searching.

Regards,

Robert

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bookshare Blog 
To: rjaquiss at earthlink.net 
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: [New post] Landing that Job...Career Advice on Bookshare


        Landing that Job...Career Advice on Bookshare 
      Betsy Burgess | June 15, 2010 at 11:34 pm | Tags: accessible books for job readiness, career advice | Categories: Books, General news, Transition | URL: http://wp.me/pSDO6-19  

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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Wed Jun 16 02:52:54 2010
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:52:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Going on Vacation
Message-ID: <AANLkTimTTpKKwZpJyDZY6hl0lsrRkwebnxvQ1BJT3dT1@mail.gmail.com>

Dear NABS members,

I will be leaving on Thursday to travel to New York City and Israel,
and I will be away until Tuesday, June 29. During this time I will be
available by email, but not by telephone, and I will be unsubscribing
from all NFBNet lists so as to minimize email traffic. If you have an
urgent question or concern about NABS or the upcoming convention,
please contact first vice-president Karen Anderson at
kea_anderson at cox.net
or
402-319-7645
I will post the agenda for our NABS business meeting upon my return.

Cordially,
Arielle Silverman
-- 
Arielle Silverman
President, National Association of Blind Students
Phone:  602-502-2255
Email:
nabs.president at gmail.com
Website:
www.nabslink.org


From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Wed Jun 16 04:46:26 2010
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 00:46:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] a question about nfb newsline
Message-ID: <1FFACCA3875146A39C4F12A4D015FB1D@radio360usa>

Hi There!
Can someone tell me the web site to go to to access the nfb news line on the web and how one gets access to this? That is, do I need to sign up first on the web site or how does it work?
Thanks.
>From David

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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Wed Jun 16 04:53:16 2010
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 22:53:16 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Ray McGeorge Update
Message-ID: <17DE1C7AC39D4A73AD4B533C7909379C@labarre>

Greetings Friends, I just returned from Hospice of St. John's where I spent almost the entire day.  Ray has been placed on "watch" which means his moment of transition may occur at any time.  At the present time, he is resting comfortably and  his physical presence is shutting down.  However, his spirit remains as strong as ever.  Many of us were with him and Diane today and we felt Ray's strength.  He reminds us that life should be lived fully and each day is indeed a gift.  Words cannot express the profound impact this gentle giant of a man has had on all of our lives.  We know also that his body has tired out and he is ready to move onto a new wonderful place.  Please continue to shower us with your thoughts and prayers, particularly Ray and Diane.  Ray and Diane have met this with dignity, strength, and grace.  Diane is very strong, but she needs us now and more so in the time ahead

With warm regards,  
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Jun 16 08:31:12 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 03:31:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] KeySoft 9.0.2 for BrailleNote Apex and KeySoft 8.0	build
 21 for mPower and PK are now available
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>
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>Humanware is pleased to release two software maintenance versions for
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>KeySoft 8.0 for mPower and PK are now available at no charge. These
>versions do not utilize an SMA count for current BrailleNote Apex
>KeySoft 9.0 or BrailleNote mPower and PK version 8.0 users respectively.
>
>
>Users can download the versions from our Web site at:
>www.humanware.com/braillenote_support.
>
>KeySoft version 9.0.2 for Apex includes the following improvements:
>1. Apex 18 Braille and QWERTY keyboard: The issue regarding an offset
>when pressing the cursor routing key has been fixed.
>2. BrailleNote GPS version 2010: The new KeySoft 9.0.2 offers a great
>opportunity to get familiar with the newest GPS version. Version 2010
>offers a richer set of Points of Interest, enhanced Look Around and
>P.O.I management features and more flexibility in route selection. Users
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>KeySoft version 8.0, build 21 for mPower and PK includes the following
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>of BrailleNote users have reported an issue with the user authorization
>keys (UAK) for use with protected content from Recordings for the Blind
>and Dyslexic RFB&D. This problem has been corrected.
>2. Storing emails in the CF storage card (PK only): An option to change
>the emails storage location was added to the email set-up options menu.
>You can now choose to store emails and attachments on a compact flash
>card.
>Existing Users are invited to take advantage of these free improvements.
>Please stay tuned as other exciting features and improvements for
>KeySoft will come in 2010.
>
>A generous trade up program is available for customers who wish to trade
>any BrailleNote Classic or mPower model as well as competitive
>notetakers to the new BrailleNote Apex family. Existing trade-in values
>will change effective July 1st. If you are considering upgrading to the
>new Apex, do not delay! Contact your HumanWare representative to receive
>up-to-date pricing.
>
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From corbbo at gmail.com  Wed Jun 16 14:17:31 2010
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbbmacc O'Connor)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:17:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] a question about nfb newsline
In-Reply-To: <1FFACCA3875146A39C4F12A4D015FB1D@radio360usa>
References: <1FFACCA3875146A39C4F12A4D015FB1D@radio360usa>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikxBSXKsXYE8tHjN9aNN9KHQnNJkkf_R1BU-fz7@mail.gmail.com>

Website is www.nfbnewslineonline.org
Yes, you need to sign up in advance. Call the National Center for the
Blind or visit the exhibit hall at convention to sign up.

Corbb

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:46 AM, David Dunphy <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi There!
> Can someone tell me the web site to go to to access the nfb news line on the web and how one gets access to this? That is, do I need to sign up first on the web site or how does it work?
> Thanks.
> >From David
>
> *****
> Tired of listening to the same old stations playing the same old songs over and over again?
> Then check out an internet radio station with plenty of interesting programming. Visit the home of Radio360 Where Variety Matters Most at
> http://www.radio360.us
> Check it out you won't be disappointed
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 17 00:14:40 2010
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:14:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] free screen readers
Message-ID: <9897F3D1411549F0BF2B69ABD6EFEF08@Ashley>

Hi all,

Those of you using free screen readers I'd like to know about them.  I use Jaws currently and it works well mostly.  I have Windows xp.  But if a free screen reader can do most functions that will help me out; such as I can install it on computers I use for volunteering or on a family member's computer for ocassional use.

What's your experience?  What does it sound like?  Does it have multiple voices?  What applications does it work with?  I want to try NVDA.  Where do I get it and do i always need to be on the internet to make it work?  How did you learn the commands of the reader?  Other main readers have tutorials.

If I install one and still have jaws on the pc will that work?  I wonder if it eats up your memory having two screen readers.

Thanks

From aec732 at msn.com  Thu Jun 17 00:38:32 2010
From: aec732 at msn.com (Annemarie Cooke)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:38:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] response to Ashley's query about VR counsellors nabs-l
 Digest, Vol 44, Issue 18
In-Reply-To: <mailman.23.1276707606.23302.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
References: <mailman.23.1276707606.23302.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <BAY151-w58178962EF0C8FF8E915C794DF0@phx.gbl>


Hi Ashley,

I have been a client and now work in our state agency in an area in whcih I interact with counsellors (I am not a certified counsellor). I do work with clients, as well, and I think the best results come when a client collaborates with the agency/counsellor. If you think you prefer to work in a small business, line up some interviews for yourself at small businesses where you think you would like to work. Be proactive; don't expect that the counsellor gets to do everything there is to do to get you employed.

I have observed thatthe most successful clients get tehir own jobs! Are you ready to towrk? How are your travel skills -- are you willing and able to use public transit to get yourself to work? How are your computer skills? Do you have an excellent resume that sells your skills well? Your counsellor can help  you accomplish these things but it's YOU who needs to do the work.

PS your best job is going to come through your own networking. I realize, looking back, that any job I have had I have been offered through networking, never a classified ad. Networking is one of the most useful things you can do for yourself -- netowrk everywhere with as many people as you can to get whereyou want to go!

Hope this has been helpful.

 

Best wishes!

Annemarie Cooke
 		 	   		  

From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 17 01:20:55 2010
From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:20:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: international opportunities
Message-ID: <193048.62645.qm@web53802.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


I thought some of you may be interested in this.
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller


--- On Wed, 6/16/10, Michele Scheib <mscheib at MIUSA.ORG> wrote:

> From: Michele Scheib <mscheib at MIUSA.ORG>
> Subject: international opportunities
> To: NDSU at LISTSERV.UIC.EDU
> Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 5:09 PM
> **Accessibility information at
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> 
> Hi All,
> 
>  
> 
> The National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange is
> offering $50 for
> disability stories on international exchange, including
> options to submit
> blogs and featured person profiles. People with
> disabilities can take
> advantage of this added incentive to share overseas study,
> volunteer, work
> and research experiences! Learn more at:
> http://www.miusa.org/ncde/ncdenewsevents/storiescall.
> The deadline is
> September 1, 2010.
> 
>  
> 
> Interested in a scholarship to explore your educational and
> career interests
> and learn about other cultures overseas? Register for the
> free June 24
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> which administers the Fulbright Student and English
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> how to register,
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From davidschool97 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 17 01:33:02 2010
From: davidschool97 at gmail.com (David)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:33:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] free screen readers
In-Reply-To: <9897F3D1411549F0BF2B69ABD6EFEF08@Ashley>
References: <9897F3D1411549F0BF2B69ABD6EFEF08@Ashley>
Message-ID: <5B6EE1DC6C334331BEB2EDBA9F515E3A@Davidpc>


There is NVDA at nvda-project.org
thunder at screenreader.net
David Thomas
Owner and moderator of electronicsandmorefortheblind at 
electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com with subscribe in the subject 
line
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From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 7:14 PM
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] free screen readers

> Hi all,
>
> Those of you using free screen readers I'd like to know about them.  I use 
> Jaws currently and it works well mostly.  I have Windows xp.  But if a 
> free screen reader can do most functions that will help me out; such as I 
> can install it on computers I use for volunteering or on a family member's 
> computer for ocassional use.
>
> What's your experience?  What does it sound like?  Does it have multiple 
> voices?  What applications does it work with?  I want to try NVDA.  Where 
> do I get it and do i always need to be on the internet to make it work? 
> How did you learn the commands of the reader?  Other main readers have 
> tutorials.
>
> If I install one and still have jaws on the pc will that work?  I wonder 
> if it eats up your memory having two screen readers.
>
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
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From aadkins7 at verizon.net  Thu Jun 17 01:50:06 2010
From: aadkins7 at verizon.net (Anita Adkins)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 21:50:06 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] free screen readers
In-Reply-To: <9897F3D1411549F0BF2B69ABD6EFEF08@Ashley>
References: <9897F3D1411549F0BF2B69ABD6EFEF08@Ashley>
Message-ID: <2BF22FAE873E4A75889C2FC36C5B3BE4@AnitaAdkinsPC>

Hi,

NVDA is an excellent free screenreader.  You do not have to be on the 
internet when using it, and yes, you can have it and another screenreader 
installed at the same time, although this is not necessary.  NVDA is 
comparable to JAWS and Window Eyes in my opinion.  It has a list of voices 
from which you can choose.  Its voice is sort of robotic sounding, but it is 
easy understood.  I have a friend who is totally blind who uses it and 
nothing else because she was not able to afford to purchase a screenreader. 
She checks email, browses the Internet, and can use Word and the like.  In 
fact, I believe Windows Calendar does not work with JAWS, but it does work 
with NVDA.  Note that I have not checked this particular piece of advice out 
myself as I do not often use Windows Calendar.  I have taught assistive 
technology and tested websites for accessibility and usability, and so I am 
very familiar with screenreaders as one must know if it is the site that is 
inaccessible or that the user of the screenreader is not aware of a certain 
function.  I have used NVDA in order to check it out.  I have JAWS on my 
Vista computer now (and an installed version of NVDA), but I will just put 
NVDA on my Windows 7 desktop I recently purchased unless I learn I can 
install JAWS.  The voice is hard to get used to when one is so used to JAWS. 
A lot of the NVDA commands are similar to JAWS commands.  For example, 
insert+t is for the title and insert+b is for reading a dialogue box.  I 
will paste the link to download below, just FYI.
http://www.nvda-project.org/wiki/Download
Anita
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:14 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] free screen readers


> Hi all,
>
> Those of you using free screen readers I'd like to know about them.  I use 
> Jaws currently and it works well mostly.  I have Windows xp.  But if a 
> free screen reader can do most functions that will help me out; such as I 
> can install it on computers I use for volunteering or on a family member's 
> computer for ocassional use.
>
> What's your experience?  What does it sound like?  Does it have multiple 
> voices?  What applications does it work with?  I want to try NVDA.  Where 
> do I get it and do i always need to be on the internet to make it work? 
> How did you learn the commands of the reader?  Other main readers have 
> tutorials.
>
> If I install one and still have jaws on the pc will that work?  I wonder 
> if it eats up your memory having two screen readers.
>
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 17 01:57:25 2010
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 21:57:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] free screen readers
References: <9897F3D1411549F0BF2B69ABD6EFEF08@Ashley>
	<5B6EE1DC6C334331BEB2EDBA9F515E3A@Davidpc>
Message-ID: <07ABBAFDCBBD4DD382D2CD5AE038C644@Ashley>

David, do you use NVDA?  Does it work alright with all MS office 
applications?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David" <davidschool97 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free screen readers


>
> There is NVDA at nvda-project.org
> thunder at screenreader.net
> David Thomas
> Owner and moderator of electronicsandmorefortheblind at 
> electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com with subscribe in the subject 
> line
> Vice President of Paez Production Networks
> subscribe to No Eyes required on iTunes e-mail me with any concerns at 
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>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 7:14 PM
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] free screen readers
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Those of you using free screen readers I'd like to know about them.  I 
>> use Jaws currently and it works well mostly.  I have Windows xp.  But if 
>> a free screen reader can do most functions that will help me out; such as 
>> I can install it on computers I use for volunteering or on a family 
>> member's computer for ocassional use.
>>
>> What's your experience?  What does it sound like?  Does it have multiple 
>> voices?  What applications does it work with?  I want to try NVDA.  Where 
>> do I get it and do i always need to be on the internet to make it work? 
>> How did you learn the commands of the reader?  Other main readers have 
>> tutorials.
>>
>> If I install one and still have jaws on the pc will that work?  I wonder 
>> if it eats up your memory having two screen readers.
>>
>> Thanks
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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From aadkins7 at verizon.net  Thu Jun 17 01:59:04 2010
From: aadkins7 at verizon.net (Anita Adkins)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 21:59:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] free screen readers
In-Reply-To: <9897F3D1411549F0BF2B69ABD6EFEF08@Ashley>
References: <9897F3D1411549F0BF2B69ABD6EFEF08@Ashley>
Message-ID: <DF7D1072258F48E8B9B2B4F610BE36C6@AnitaAdkinsPC>

Hello,

I wanted to tell you that I have NVDA running at the moment.  You do not 
want it and JAWS to run at the same time because I think there are hot key 
conflicts.  It does have a user guide located under its help menu.  Once 
NVDA has been installed and is running on your computer, meaning it is 
talking and you have other screen readers shut off, press insert+n to bring 
up the NVDA menu.  Then down arrow until you hear help submenu.  Press 
enter, and then down arrow until you reach the user guide.  If you press 
insert+n and press enter on the preferences submenu, you can down and up 
arrow through the choices until you hear voice settings.  You can press 
enter here to open a dialogue box up in which you can change the rate, 
pitch, voice person, such as from Max to Anxious Andy and so on, and other 
such settings.  Just FYI.  Anita
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:14 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] free screen readers


> Hi all,
>
> Those of you using free screen readers I'd like to know about them.  I use 
> Jaws currently and it works well mostly.  I have Windows xp.  But if a 
> free screen reader can do most functions that will help me out; such as I 
> can install it on computers I use for volunteering or on a family member's 
> computer for ocassional use.
>
> What's your experience?  What does it sound like?  Does it have multiple 
> voices?  What applications does it work with?  I want to try NVDA.  Where 
> do I get it and do i always need to be on the internet to make it work? 
> How did you learn the commands of the reader?  Other main readers have 
> tutorials.
>
> If I install one and still have jaws on the pc will that work?  I wonder 
> if it eats up your memory having two screen readers.
>
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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From gera1027 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 17 02:06:49 2010
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 21:06:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] free screen readers
References: <9897F3D1411549F0BF2B69ABD6EFEF08@Ashley>
	<5B6EE1DC6C334331BEB2EDBA9F515E3A@Davidpc>
Message-ID: <018f01cb0dc1$c0febbc0$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1>

I use NVDA sometimes and works fine; some little details jaws doesn't do 
NVDA does.
The commands can be learned by activating NVDA's Keyboard learn mode with 
Insert+#1 above qwerty like Jaws since it uses kind of the same structure 
such as Insert+t for title bar, Insert+b to read dialogues and the like. You 
can read all about the keystrokes within NVDA's documentation which can be 
accessed by going into Start Menu All Programs NVDA and open the submenu; 
from there you'll see an item called User Guide and another one called 
Keystrokes (hopefully I translated it good from Spanish since I use NVDA in 
Spanish) that can give you more info.
About the voices, if you have SAPI5 compatible voices they'll work fine; 
also if you have Kurzweil's ViaVoice (that's what I use since the default's 
Espeak sounds a bit weird) also works fine.
about having Jaws and NVDA at once, be careful to unload Jaws before loading 
NVDA and vice versa since they conflict in keystrokes when having them 
opened at once. Oh and this brings me to shut down NVDA you use Insert+q 
rather than Insert+f4.
and lastly since I'm making this email long already, from the NVDA website 
you can download the portable version, version which you can then save on a 
USB drive or CD allowing you to plug the device or insert the CD in whatever 
computer you wish to access and NVDA will come up except that it will speak 
with the default ESpeak.
Good luck!
Gerardo
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David" <davidschool97 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free screen readers



There is NVDA at nvda-project.org
thunder at screenreader.net
David Thomas
Owner and moderator of electronicsandmorefortheblind at
electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com with subscribe in the subject
line
Vice President of Paez Production Networks
subscribe to No Eyes required on iTunes e-mail me with any concerns at
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From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 7:14 PM
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] free screen readers

> Hi all,
>
> Those of you using free screen readers I'd like to know about them.  I use
> Jaws currently and it works well mostly.  I have Windows xp.  But if a
> free screen reader can do most functions that will help me out; such as I
> can install it on computers I use for volunteering or on a family member's
> computer for ocassional use.
>
> What's your experience?  What does it sound like?  Does it have multiple
> voices?  What applications does it work with?  I want to try NVDA.  Where
> do I get it and do i always need to be on the internet to make it work?
> How did you learn the commands of the reader?  Other main readers have
> tutorials.
>
> If I install one and still have jaws on the pc will that work?  I wonder
> if it eats up your memory having two screen readers.
>
> Thanks
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From aadkins7 at verizon.net  Thu Jun 17 02:20:16 2010
From: aadkins7 at verizon.net (Anita Adkins)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:20:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] free screen readers
In-Reply-To: <9897F3D1411549F0BF2B69ABD6EFEF08@Ashley>
References: <9897F3D1411549F0BF2B69ABD6EFEF08@Ashley>
Message-ID: <B65A685035D04C5FA66529EEEC78750A@AnitaAdkinsPC>

Sorry to keep posting, but I just learned that I can use Reed, the voice I 
like for JAWS with NVDA.  This is great.  To do this, I pressed insert+n, 
down arrowed to preferences, pressed enter, down arrowed to synthesizers, 
pressed enter, listened to the current setting so I could fix it if I 
goofed, then up and down arrowed through the choices.  The top one said sapi 
4 microsoft something or other, and I pressed enter, and it was my JAWS 
voice.  Of course, I had to bring the menu back up, go back to preferences, 
down arrow to voice settings, and then change the rate because I like my 
speech a lot faster than the default.  In this voice settings dialogue, I 
discovered that there are also other various voices I could have chose.  I 
just chose American English.  Just FYI.  Anita
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:14 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] free screen readers


> Hi all,
>
> Those of you using free screen readers I'd like to know about them.  I use 
> Jaws currently and it works well mostly.  I have Windows xp.  But if a 
> free screen reader can do most functions that will help me out; such as I 
> can install it on computers I use for volunteering or on a family member's 
> computer for ocassional use.
>
> What's your experience?  What does it sound like?  Does it have multiple 
> voices?  What applications does it work with?  I want to try NVDA.  Where 
> do I get it and do i always need to be on the internet to make it work? 
> How did you learn the commands of the reader?  Other main readers have 
> tutorials.
>
> If I install one and still have jaws on the pc will that work?  I wonder 
> if it eats up your memory having two screen readers.
>
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 17 02:21:39 2010
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:21:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] free screen readers
References: <9897F3D1411549F0BF2B69ABD6EFEF08@Ashley>
	<DF7D1072258F48E8B9B2B4F610BE36C6@AnitaAdkinsPC>
Message-ID: <E08B61008EEF4D00A9EF4C7A518A7168@Ashley>

Thanks Anita.  A built in user guide is great!
I would never have two screen readers running at the same time.  They would 
obviously conflict, and confuse me.
Glad you pointed out they conflict though.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anita Adkins" <aadkins7 at verizon.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free screen readers


> Hello,
>
> I wanted to tell you that I have NVDA running at the moment.  You do not 
> want it and JAWS to run at the same time because I think there are hot key 
> conflicts.  It does have a user guide located under its help menu.  Once 
> NVDA has been installed and is running on your computer, meaning it is 
> talking and you have other screen readers shut off, press insert+n to 
> bring up the NVDA menu.  Then down arrow until you hear help submenu. 
> Press enter, and then down arrow until you reach the user guide.  If you 
> press insert+n and press enter on the preferences submenu, you can down 
> and up arrow through the choices until you hear voice settings.  You can 
> press enter here to open a dialogue box up in which you can change the 
> rate, pitch, voice person, such as from Max to Anxious Andy and so on, and 
> other such settings.  Just FYI.  Anita
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:14 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] free screen readers
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Those of you using free screen readers I'd like to know about them.  I 
>> use Jaws currently and it works well mostly.  I have Windows xp.  But if 
>> a free screen reader can do most functions that will help me out; such as 
>> I can install it on computers I use for volunteering or on a family 
>> member's computer for ocassional use.
>>
>> What's your experience?  What does it sound like?  Does it have multiple 
>> voices?  What applications does it work with?  I want to try NVDA.  Where 
>> do I get it and do i always need to be on the internet to make it work? 
>> How did you learn the commands of the reader?  Other main readers have 
>> tutorials.
>>
>> If I install one and still have jaws on the pc will that work?  I wonder 
>> if it eats up your memory having two screen readers.
>>
>> Thanks
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 17 02:31:17 2010
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley  Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 22:31:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] free screen readers
References: <9897F3D1411549F0BF2B69ABD6EFEF08@Ashley><5B6EE1DC6C334331BEB2EDBA9F515E3A@Davidpc>
	<018f01cb0dc1$c0febbc0$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1>
Message-ID: <0F3072E9CCDE49F0BC5DDE3F3EEEBC4F@Ashley>

Gerardo,
Thanks for those tips.
It may not be hard to learn because some commands are same as jaws.  That is 
good because I don't want to memorize new commands!
So i  understand I can  have two screen readers loaded on the PC, but one 
only actively running at a time; otherwise they conflict.

I really need a portable screen reader so what you said struck me.
"download the portable version, version which you can then save on a
 USB drive or CD allowing you to plug the device or insert the CD in 
whatever
 computer you wish to access and NVDA will come up except that it will speak
 with the default ESpeak."

Oh is it that easy?  So you just carry the USB drive and
plug it in to the computer you wish to access?
This way its not installed on that computer, so you would not leave a trace 
that you used a screen reader.
Wich operating systems will it work with?

I would guess Windows XP and Vista.

Ashley
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free screen readers


>I use NVDA sometimes and works fine; some little details jaws doesn't do
> NVDA does.
> The commands can be learned by activating NVDA's Keyboard learn mode with
> Insert+#1 above qwerty like Jaws since it uses kind of the same structure
> such as Insert+t for title bar, Insert+b to read dialogues and the like. 
> You
> can read all about the keystrokes within NVDA's documentation which can be
> accessed by going into Start Menu All Programs NVDA and open the submenu;
> from there you'll see an item called User Guide and another one called
> Keystrokes (hopefully I translated it good from Spanish since I use NVDA 
> in
> Spanish) that can give you more info.
> About the voices, if you have SAPI5 compatible voices they'll work fine;
> also if you have Kurzweil's ViaVoice (that's what I use since the 
> default's
> Espeak sounds a bit weird) also works fine.
> about having Jaws and NVDA at once, be careful to unload Jaws before 
> loading
> NVDA and vice versa since they conflict in keystrokes when having them
> opened at once. Oh and this brings me to shut down NVDA you use Insert+q
> rather than Insert+f4.
> and lastly since I'm making this email long already, from the NVDA website
> you can download the portable version, version which you can then save on 
> a
> USB drive or CD allowing you to plug the device or insert the CD in 
> whatever
> computer you wish to access and NVDA will come up except that it will 
> speak
> with the default ESpeak.
> Good luck!
> Gerardo
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David" <davidschool97 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free screen readers
>
>
>
> There is NVDA at nvda-project.org
> thunder at screenreader.net
> David Thomas
> Owner and moderator of electronicsandmorefortheblind at
> electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com with subscribe in the subject
> line
> Vice President of Paez Production Networks
> subscribe to No Eyes required on iTunes e-mail me with any concerns at
> davidschool97 at gmail.com
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>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 7:14 PM
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] free screen readers
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Those of you using free screen readers I'd like to know about them.  I 
>> use
>> Jaws currently and it works well mostly.  I have Windows xp.  But if a
>> free screen reader can do most functions that will help me out; such as I
>> can install it on computers I use for volunteering or on a family 
>> member's
>> computer for ocassional use.
>>
>> What's your experience?  What does it sound like?  Does it have multiple
>> voices?  What applications does it work with?  I want to try NVDA.  Where
>> do I get it and do i always need to be on the internet to make it work?
>> How did you learn the commands of the reader?  Other main readers have
>> tutorials.
>>
>> If I install one and still have jaws on the pc will that work?  I wonder
>> if it eats up your memory having two screen readers.
>>
>> Thanks
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Jun 17 07:50:32 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 02:50:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Hey, have you heard the latest ?
Message-ID: <auto-000158391369@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>From: "Andrews, David B B (DEED)" <David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us>
>To: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 10:46:31 -0500
>Subject: FW: Hey, have you heard the latest ?
>Thread-Topic: Hey, have you heard the latest ?
>Thread-Index: Acr7f37cCYpyxLKkT6mamOwWh+4fiwR6mWmAAABKwfA=
>
>
>
>From: Wilson, Joanne [mailto:JWilson at nfb.org]
>Subject: Hey, have you heard the latest ?
>
>Extra! Extra! Read all about it!
>
>The NFB Department of Affiliate Action will host the 2010 Back to 
>Basics seminar, and you don't want to miss it!
>
>What: The Back to Basics seminar is designed to serve as a training 
>session to help give chapter leaders countless tools for success. 
>The session will offer detailed and practical techniques that can be 
>used to build membership, to raise funds, to start meaningful 
>projects, to run fun meetings, and to make your life just a little easier!
>
>When: Monday, July 5, 2010
>
>Time: 6:00-10:00 pm, the topic will change at the top of every hour, 
>so feel free to attend some or all of the seminar.
>
>Who: This training session is open to all NFB members. Special 
>recognition will be given to chapter presidents. President perks 
>include distinguished seating, extra opportunities to win door 
>prizes, and a wonderful gift from Dr. Maurer! Not a chapter 
>president? No worries, all attendees will leave with a chapter 
>development kit, will get to participate in our door prize drawings, 
>and will get to try out lots of hands-on activities!
>
>Need additional info? Give me a call at (410) 659-9314, ext. 2335, 
>or send an email to jwilson at nfb.org.
>
>Convention is right around the corner, looking forward to seeing you there!
>
>Best,
>
>Joanne Wilson
>Executive Director of Affiliate Action
>National Federation of the Blind
>200 East Wells Street
>       at Jernigan Place
>Baltimore, MD 21230
>410.659.9314 x 2335
>(F) 410.659.6893
><mailto:jwilson at nfb.org>jwilson at nfb.org
>"Voice of the Nation's Blind"
>

                         David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
Follow me on Twitter:  http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920

From mhartle at nfb.org  Thu Jun 17 07:59:46 2010
From: mhartle at nfb.org (Hartle,
	Mary Jo)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 02:59:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] 2010 NFB Youth Track at National Convention
Message-ID: <auto-000156726163@mailfront2.g2host.com>


Attention All Youth Ages 11-18! <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = 
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />



     Get ready for the 2010 NFB Youth Track at National 
Convention.  As in years past, the NFB Jernigan Institute is 
sponsoring a number of activities for teens during the week of the 
National Convention.  This year we've added activities for those 
youth ages 11-14 (Please check agenda to view which activities are 
for each age.).  Please come register for the Youth Tracks on 
Saturday, July 3 from 7:30-8:45 a.m. in the Stemmons Auditorium, Atrium Lobby.

      A complete Youth Track agenda is attached to this 
message.  This information is also available in the main convention 
agenda online at <http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org.  You can also 
obtain a hardcopy at registration.



Important Announcement about the "Throw-Back Party

     On Tuesday, July 6 we are hosting the biggest party at 
convention for teens ages 14-18.  The evening will be filled with 
retro music, contests, games, trivia, and dancing.  Don't forget to 
pack your digs from your favorite decade to wear to the party that 
night.  Cash prizes will be given to those individuals with the "Best 
Dressed" representation of their favorite decade.  Pick a decade and 
come show us your great look.  Here are a few sites that may help 
give you some inspiration:



1950:
<http://www.gamesbunny.co.uk/fancy_dress/1950_fancy_dress.htm>http://www.gamesbunny.co.uk/fancy_dress/1950_fancy_dress.htm 




1960:
http://hubpages.com/hub/1960s-Costumes



1970:
<http://hubpages.com/hub/70s-Costumes>http://hubpages.com/hub/70s-Costumes



1980:
http://www.liketotally80s.com/80s-party-idea.html



1990:
<http://www.ehow.com/way_5245496_90s-dress-up-party-ideas.html>http://www.ehow.com/way_5245496_90s-dress-up-party-ideas.html 




We hope to see you there!



Sincerely,







Mary Jo T. Hartle



Mary Jo Thorpe-Hartle, MEd, NOMC

Director of Education
Jernigan Institute
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
200 East Wells Street
Baltimore, MD 21230
Phone: (410)659-9314 ext. 2407
Email: <mailto:mhartle at nfb.org>mhartle at nfb.org
Fax: (410) 659-5129
Visit <http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org




Mary Jo T. Hartle



Mary Jo Thorpe-Hartle, MEd, NOMC

Director of Education
Jernigan Institute
NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND
200 East Wells Street
Baltimore, MD 21230
Phone: (410)659-9314 ext. 2407
Email: <mailto:mhartle at nfb.org>mhartle at nfb.org
Fax: (410) 659-5129
Visit <http://www.nfb.org/>www.nfb.org

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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Thu Jun 17 08:07:32 2010
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 04:07:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] free screen readers
In-Reply-To: <0F3072E9CCDE49F0BC5DDE3F3EEEBC4F@Ashley>
References: <9897F3D1411549F0BF2B69ABD6EFEF08@Ashley><5B6EE1DC6C334331BEB2EDBA9F515E3A@Davidpc>
	<018f01cb0dc1$c0febbc0$0e92910a@final8nt83doe1>
	<0F3072E9CCDE49F0BC5DDE3F3EEEBC4F@Ashley>
Message-ID: <36498EF2-CB4E-4DDF-829E-6BED0D4AC8F7@gmail.com>

NVDA also works with Windows 7.
On Jun 16, 2010, at 10:31 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:

> Gerardo,
> Thanks for those tips.
> It may not be hard to learn because some commands are same as jaws.  That is good because I don't want to memorize new commands!
> So i  understand I can  have two screen readers loaded on the PC, but one only actively running at a time; otherwise they conflict.
> 
> I really need a portable screen reader so what you said struck me.
> "download the portable version, version which you can then save on a
> USB drive or CD allowing you to plug the device or insert the CD in whatever
> computer you wish to access and NVDA will come up except that it will speak
> with the default ESpeak."
> 
> Oh is it that easy?  So you just carry the USB drive and
> plug it in to the computer you wish to access?
> This way its not installed on that computer, so you would not leave a trace that you used a screen reader.
> Wich operating systems will it work with?
> 
> I would guess Windows XP and Vista.
> 
> Ashley
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 10:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free screen readers
> 
> 
>> I use NVDA sometimes and works fine; some little details jaws doesn't do
>> NVDA does.
>> The commands can be learned by activating NVDA's Keyboard learn mode with
>> Insert+#1 above qwerty like Jaws since it uses kind of the same structure
>> such as Insert+t for title bar, Insert+b to read dialogues and the like. You
>> can read all about the keystrokes within NVDA's documentation which can be
>> accessed by going into Start Menu All Programs NVDA and open the submenu;
>> from there you'll see an item called User Guide and another one called
>> Keystrokes (hopefully I translated it good from Spanish since I use NVDA in
>> Spanish) that can give you more info.
>> About the voices, if you have SAPI5 compatible voices they'll work fine;
>> also if you have Kurzweil's ViaVoice (that's what I use since the default's
>> Espeak sounds a bit weird) also works fine.
>> about having Jaws and NVDA at once, be careful to unload Jaws before loading
>> NVDA and vice versa since they conflict in keystrokes when having them
>> opened at once. Oh and this brings me to shut down NVDA you use Insert+q
>> rather than Insert+f4.
>> and lastly since I'm making this email long already, from the NVDA website
>> you can download the portable version, version which you can then save on a
>> USB drive or CD allowing you to plug the device or insert the CD in whatever
>> computer you wish to access and NVDA will come up except that it will speak
>> with the default ESpeak.
>> Good luck!
>> Gerardo
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <davidschool97 at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free screen readers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> There is NVDA at nvda-project.org
>> thunder at screenreader.net
>> David Thomas
>> Owner and moderator of electronicsandmorefortheblind at
>> electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com with subscribe in the subject
>> line
>> Vice President of Paez Production Networks
>> subscribe to No Eyes required on iTunes e-mail me with any concerns at
>> davidschool97 at gmail.com
>> Please note:
>> this message may contain confidential and/or classified information.
>> Such information is only revealed to the person to whom this communication
>> is directed to.
>> If you have received this message in error, please type "error" in the
>> subject line for the reply message and destroy any and all copies of this
>> message and/or any accompanying media.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 7:14 PM
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] free screen readers
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Those of you using free screen readers I'd like to know about them.  I use
>>> Jaws currently and it works well mostly.  I have Windows xp.  But if a
>>> free screen reader can do most functions that will help me out; such as I
>>> can install it on computers I use for volunteering or on a family member's
>>> computer for ocassional use.
>>> 
>>> What's your experience?  What does it sound like?  Does it have multiple
>>> voices?  What applications does it work with?  I want to try NVDA.  Where
>>> do I get it and do i always need to be on the internet to make it work?
>>> How did you learn the commands of the reader?  Other main readers have
>>> tutorials.
>>> 
>>> If I install one and still have jaws on the pc will that work?  I wonder
>>> if it eats up your memory having two screen readers.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
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>> 
>> 
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From davidschool97 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 17 19:20:53 2010
From: davidschool97 at gmail.com (David)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 14:20:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] free screen readers
In-Reply-To: <07ABBAFDCBBD4DD382D2CD5AE038C644@Ashley>
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	<07ABBAFDCBBD4DD382D2CD5AE038C644@Ashley>
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What version of office are you using?

David Thomas
Owner and moderator of electronicsandmorefortheblind at 
electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com with subscribe in the subject 
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From: "Ashley  Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:57 PM
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free screen readers

> David, do you use NVDA?  Does it work alright with all MS office 
> applications?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David" <davidschool97 at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 9:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free screen readers
>
>
>>
>> There is NVDA at nvda-project.org
>> thunder at screenreader.net
>> David Thomas
>> Owner and moderator of electronicsandmorefortheblind at 
>> electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com with subscribe in the 
>> subject line
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>> davidschool97 at gmail.com
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>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 7:14 PM
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] free screen readers
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Those of you using free screen readers I'd like to know about them.  I 
>>> use Jaws currently and it works well mostly.  I have Windows xp.  But if 
>>> a free screen reader can do most functions that will help me out; such 
>>> as I can install it on computers I use for volunteering or on a family 
>>> member's computer for ocassional use.
>>>
>>> What's your experience?  What does it sound like?  Does it have multiple 
>>> voices?  What applications does it work with?  I want to try NVDA. 
>>> Where do I get it and do i always need to be on the internet to make it 
>>> work? How did you learn the commands of the reader?  Other main readers 
>>> have tutorials.
>>>
>>> If I install one and still have jaws on the pc will that work?  I wonder 
>>> if it eats up your memory having two screen readers.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> _______________________________________________
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From herekittykat2 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 17 19:21:47 2010
From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 15:21:47 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] free screen readers
In-Reply-To: <36498EF2-CB4E-4DDF-829E-6BED0D4AC8F7@gmail.com>
References: <9897F3D1411549F0BF2B69ABD6EFEF08@Ashley>
	<5B6EE1DC6C334331BEB2EDBA9F515E3A@Davidpc>
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I also use NVDA as my portable screenreader. It's not as great as
JAWS, but like was said, it uses some of the same commands, and the
voices are not bad at all. It is a great backup and portable for me.

I have tried SA Mobile and SystemAccess to Go, but I didn't like
them...too different from my good ole JAWS!

~Jewel

On 6/17/10, Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com> wrote:
> NVDA also works with Windows 7.
> On Jun 16, 2010, at 10:31 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote:
>
>> Gerardo,
>> Thanks for those tips.
>> It may not be hard to learn because some commands are same as jaws.  That
>> is good because I don't want to memorize new commands!
>> So i  understand I can  have two screen readers loaded on the PC, but one
>> only actively running at a time; otherwise they conflict.
>>
>> I really need a portable screen reader so what you said struck me.
>> "download the portable version, version which you can then save on a
>> USB drive or CD allowing you to plug the device or insert the CD in
>> whatever
>> computer you wish to access and NVDA will come up except that it will
>> speak
>> with the default ESpeak."
>>
>> Oh is it that easy?  So you just carry the USB drive and
>> plug it in to the computer you wish to access?
>> This way its not installed on that computer, so you would not leave a
>> trace that you used a screen reader.
>> Wich operating systems will it work with?
>>
>> I would guess Windows XP and Vista.
>>
>> Ashley
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerardo Corripio" <gera1027 at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 10:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free screen readers
>>
>>
>>> I use NVDA sometimes and works fine; some little details jaws doesn't do
>>> NVDA does.
>>> The commands can be learned by activating NVDA's Keyboard learn mode with
>>> Insert+#1 above qwerty like Jaws since it uses kind of the same structure
>>> such as Insert+t for title bar, Insert+b to read dialogues and the like.
>>> You
>>> can read all about the keystrokes within NVDA's documentation which can
>>> be
>>> accessed by going into Start Menu All Programs NVDA and open the submenu;
>>> from there you'll see an item called User Guide and another one called
>>> Keystrokes (hopefully I translated it good from Spanish since I use NVDA
>>> in
>>> Spanish) that can give you more info.
>>> About the voices, if you have SAPI5 compatible voices they'll work fine;
>>> also if you have Kurzweil's ViaVoice (that's what I use since the
>>> default's
>>> Espeak sounds a bit weird) also works fine.
>>> about having Jaws and NVDA at once, be careful to unload Jaws before
>>> loading
>>> NVDA and vice versa since they conflict in keystrokes when having them
>>> opened at once. Oh and this brings me to shut down NVDA you use Insert+q
>>> rather than Insert+f4.
>>> and lastly since I'm making this email long already, from the NVDA
>>> website
>>> you can download the portable version, version which you can then save on
>>> a
>>> USB drive or CD allowing you to plug the device or insert the CD in
>>> whatever
>>> computer you wish to access and NVDA will come up except that it will
>>> speak
>>> with the default ESpeak.
>>> Good luck!
>>> Gerardo
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <davidschool97 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 8:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] free screen readers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is NVDA at nvda-project.org
>>> thunder at screenreader.net
>>> David Thomas
>>> Owner and moderator of electronicsandmorefortheblind at
>>> electronicsfortheblind-request at emissives.com with subscribe in the
>>> subject
>>> line
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>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 7:14 PM
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] free screen readers
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Those of you using free screen readers I'd like to know about them.  I
>>>> use
>>>> Jaws currently and it works well mostly.  I have Windows xp.  But if a
>>>> free screen reader can do most functions that will help me out; such as
>>>> I
>>>> can install it on computers I use for volunteering or on a family
>>>> member's
>>>> computer for ocassional use.
>>>>
>>>> What's your experience?  What does it sound like?  Does it have multiple
>>>> voices?  What applications does it work with?  I want to try NVDA.
>>>> Where
>>>> do I get it and do i always need to be on the internet to make it work?
>>>> How did you learn the commands of the reader?  Other main readers have
>>>> tutorials.
>>>>
>>>> If I install one and still have jaws on the pc will that work?  I wonder
>>>> if it eats up your memory having two screen readers.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From marrie12 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 17 19:59:05 2010
From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 12:59:05 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] a question about the shuttle reserving.
Message-ID: <00D7781B-E218-416F-A6CF-06A1725D4E5D@gmail.com>

Hello. can I reserve the 26 dollar round top ticket whenI get to Dallas or do H have to do it before my flight takes of on jul 2?

Thanks.

S

From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 17 20:38:57 2010
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:38:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: international opportunities
In-Reply-To: <193048.62645.qm@web53802.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <193048.62645.qm@web53802.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W35C3B79C43E597A24DC244BADF0@phx.gbl>


You know, I have been trying to figure out what the heck webinar meant ever since I saw this message on another email list. I thought it was some kind of fancy acronym for something, but it finally dawned on me that it is probably just a seminar that is held online. If this is the case, then I would be interested in attending provided that I can still sign up for it. However, I have never participated in something like this before, so I am just curious about how someone goes about participating in a webinar. I would imagine that it might involve voice chat of some kind, but I have never used voice chat on my computer before. So I guess if anyone would like to give me some technical advice off list, that would be appreciated.
 
Thanks,
Elizabeth

 
> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:20:55 -0700
> From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: international opportunities
> 
> 
> I thought some of you may be interested in this.
> Anmol
> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
> Hellen Keller
> 
> 
> --- On Wed, 6/16/10, Michele Scheib <mscheib at MIUSA.ORG> wrote:
> 
> > From: Michele Scheib <mscheib at MIUSA.ORG>
> > Subject: international opportunities
> > To: NDSU at LISTSERV.UIC.EDU
> > Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 5:09 PM
> > **Accessibility information at
> > bottom**
> > 
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange is
> > offering $50 for
> > disability stories on international exchange, including
> > options to submit
> > blogs and featured person profiles. People with
> > disabilities can take
> > advantage of this added incentive to share overseas study,
> > volunteer, work
> > and research experiences! Learn more at:
> > http://www.miusa.org/ncde/ncdenewsevents/storiescall.
> > The deadline is
> > September 1, 2010.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Interested in a scholarship to explore your educational and
> > career interests
> > and learn about other cultures overseas? Register for the
> > free June 24
> > webinar to answer questions from students, artists, and
> > young professionals
> > with disabilities interested in Fulbright scholarship
> > opportunities to
> > hundreds of countries worldwide. The Institute of
> > International Education,
> > which administers the Fulbright Student and English
> > Teaching Assistant
> > scholarships, will be hosting the webinar. To learn about
> > how to register,
> > go to: http://www.miusa.org/ncde/ncdenewsevents/webinar. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Michele Scheib
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Project Specialist
> > 
> > National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange Mobility
> > International USA
> > 
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> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > The National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange
> > (NCDE) provides free
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> > participation of people
> > with disabilities in international exchange programs. The
> > NCDE is sponsored
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From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Jun 18 09:21:46 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 04:21:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Executive Products Inc. New Case for Trekker Breeze
Message-ID: <auto-000158579613@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>From: "Al Eremita" <aleremita at executiveproductsinc.com>
>To: <customer_care at executiveproductsinc.com>
>Subject: Executive Products Inc - Notification
>
>Trekker 
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>case is on the unit, and allows the unit to be 
>carried on a comfortable strap or clipped on your belt.
>The unit may be used while walking, sitting or 
>simply standing. The case has easy access to the 
>headset jack, all the buttons USB port, and
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>with high quality leather to provide durable 
>outer protection. This case comes a leather
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>continues the tradition of creating functional, 
>durable and beautiful fitted cases.
>Made in the U.S.A.
>
>•Accessibility to data ports, headphone, all keys and other ports.
>
>•The zipper pocket may be used to store date cards, ear buds, etc.
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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From curtischong at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 18 09:29:40 2010
From: curtischong at earthlink.net (Curtis Chong)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 04:29:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Comments Urgently Needed
Message-ID: <auto-000158579934@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Greetings and felicitations:

I am writing to ask for your help to influence the U.S. Access Board 
as it considers proposed amendments to the ADA Accessibility 
Guidelines.  In particular, the Access Board is proposing to deal 
with access to self-service machines "used for ticketing, check-in or 
check-out, seat selection, boarding passes, or ordering food in 
restaurants and cafeterias (220.2)."

In addition to explicitly excluding drive-up only self-service 
machines, the proposed amendments will not require electronic 
information kiosks to be accessible.

If you would like to help, please call or email the Access Board 
before midnight Monday, June 21, with a message saying that the ADA 
Accessibility guidelines need to include information kiosks as well 
as drive-up only self-service machines.  Your message does not need 
to be very long.  It just needs to make the point that you want the 
Board to include accessibility to information kiosks and drive-up 
only self-service machines in amendments to the ADA Accessibility Guidelines.

You can call and leave a voice mail or send an email to Tim Creagan, 
the Access Board staff member who is taking comments on the proposed 
rule modifications.  The number to call is 202-272-0016, and Tim 
Creagan's email address is creagan at access-board.gov.

For any of you who care to conduct extensive research into this 
issue, the proposed rule changes can be found at this link:

http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/refresh/draft-rule.htm

Whatever you do, it needs to be done by midnight, Monday, June 21.

Thank you.

Yours sincerely

Curtis Chong, Chairman
Committee on Research and Development
National Federation of the Blind
  



From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Jun 18 09:42:49 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 04:42:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] 50/50 Raffle for National Organization of Parents of Blind
 Children
Message-ID: <auto-000156900616@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>
>The National Organization of Parents of Blind Children is once again 
>selling 50/50 raffle tickets. Last year's prize was $1100. All 
>families attending the NFB convention in Dallas, July 3-9, are 
>encouraged to see RoseMarie Bowman in Dallas to help sell these. 
>There is a prize for the person selling the most tickets!
>
>Be sure to see RoseMarie, or one of the families to purchase your tickets!
>
>Not attending convention? No problem! Contact RoseMarie at 
>mouse1948 at hotmail.com to purchase in advance. Make checks to NOPBC 
>and mail by June 28 to RoseMarie Bowman, 19030 Pelkey, Detroit, MI  48205.
>
>You do not have to be present to win!
>
>Debby
>bwbddl at yahoo.com
>
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>
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Fri Jun 18 15:40:33 2010
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 09:40:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Ray McGeorge at Peace
Message-ID: <9093BE9650644E29863C6B05277AAE25@labarre>

Greetings, at about 8:30 a.m. Mountain time, Ray McGeorge peacefully made his transition to the next life.  He was surrounded by those who love him and he quietly and gracefully met the moment.  Details will be circulated regarding funeral and other services.  God Bless you, Ray!!  We love you so dearly!!
Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.

LaBarre Law Offices P.C.
1660 South Albion Street, Ste. 918
Denver, Colorado 80222
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From kevanworley at blindmerchants.org  Fri Jun 18 16:17:56 2010
From: kevanworley at blindmerchants.org (Kevan Worley)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 11:17:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The Indomitable Spirit of Ray McGeorge to Live in Our
 Hearts Forever
Message-ID: <auto-000156947896@mailfront2.g2host.com>

To our Federation Family,

I have been asked by our beloved colleague and friend, Diane to write 
to all of you with the very sad news that Ray passed away at 8:30 
mountain time this morning, June 18th. He was with Diane. He was 
surrounded by friends and his beloved Federation family. As most of 
you know, Ray became ill over five weeks ago, and was rushed to the 
hospital. While at the hospital, later that week, Ray suffered a 
severe stroke. One week ago, Ray was transferred to the hospice at 
St. John's. Many of us have been at Ray's side and we know that many 
hundreds, if not thousands of you have been sending up your prayers 
for Ray and Diane. Diane has been overwhelmed and appreciative, 
beyond words of all of your love and heartfelt expressions of support 
for her and Ray.

We will be sending information about memorial services. It is not my 
place to get into all of those details in this writing. Please 
circulate this sad notice to all of our friends and colleagues. I can 
tell you that throughout the sadness we now know that Ray is at 
peace. I can also tell you that Diane is now visiting with Dr. Mauer.

Arrangements are being finalized.

Yours in love,

Kevan

From liziswhatis at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 18 17:35:21 2010
From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Bottner)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 13:35:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] free screen readers
In-Reply-To: <9897F3D1411549F0BF2B69ABD6EFEF08@Ashley>
References: <9897F3D1411549F0BF2B69ABD6EFEF08@Ashley>
Message-ID: <SNT124-DS110619B52EF29752D8AB83BAC00@phx.gbl>

Hi, 

Try System Access to GO, www.satogo.com. Feel free to write me off list with
questions. It's free on any computer with an Internet connection. It's
useful when you don't want to install a screen reader on a computer if it's
in a public place or something.

Liz
email: 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 18 19:17:29 2010
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 15:17:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] MS 2010 comments
Message-ID: <7DCFF0F98D3549CAAB2A9FD4A1767342@Ashley>

Hi all,

I was told off list when I commented I'm going to switch to 2007 that 2010 is on its way.  
Anyone been testing Ms 2010 office products?
I heard its more visual.  If so, that's real disturbing because we're going from bad to worse.  I used 2007 at work once and briefly at our center for the blind.  I missed the user friendly menus.

Hope someone is beta testing it.  What are its drawbacks?  Will short cut commands such as F 7 for spell check or
f 12 for Save As still work?  I hope so.

Ashley

From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Jun 19 02:55:56 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 21:55:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Letter to Members Concerning Section 508 Refresh and
	Comments
Message-ID: <auto-000158705607@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Dear Federationists:

As many of you may have already heard, the U.S. Access Board has 
asked the public for feedback on some proposed changes to the ADA 
Accessibility Guidelines, Rehabilitation Act, and Telecommunications 
Act.  Specifically, the Access Board plans to update the standards 
and accessibility guidelines for electronic and information 
technology, as well as add kiosks to the ADA Accessibility 
Guidelines.  We urge you to make your voices heard and e-mail, fax, 
or post on <http://www.regulations.gov/>www.regulations.gov your 
comments to these changes, as they have an enormous impact on a blind 
person's ability to access information.  With a deadline of midnight 
on Monday, June 21, time is running out for us to influence the board.

The National Federation of the Blind has been heavily involved with 
the formulation of these proposed standards and guidelines, but our 
role is not finished.  It is important that we applaud the Access 
Board for the changes we support so they are not compromised, and 
that we highlight where the changes have not gone far enough to 
ensure full accessibility.  More specifically, we have many concerns 
regarding both the definition of a "kiosk" and the kiosks that are 
exempted in the proposal.

In the current proposal, the definition of "kiosk" is limiting.  A 
kiosk is defined as a self-service unit used only for transportation 
(ticketing, seat assignments, boarding passes, etc.) or for ordering 
food.  This definition should be expanded to include other types of 
services not mentioned, as kiosks are increasingly replacing customer 
service personnel in a wide range of services, including voting, jury 
service payments, and health care.  The current definition is silent 
on whether a unit used for these services would be considered a 
kiosk, and also does not include visual display systems that are used 
solely for displaying information to users.  Kiosks should have a 
comprehensive definition that leaves room for innovative ways kiosks 
may be incorporated into our society and eliminates any future debate 
over whether a different service is covered under the law and what 
standards may apply.

In addition, the two exemptions for kiosks in the proposal will not 
ensure total accessibility.  First, closed systems are exempted to 
comply with 302.  This means a closed system does not have to provide 
spoken output, since it would not be required to be usable with "only 
the attachment of a personal headset."  Under this assumption, there 
is no requirement for these systems to be accessible.  Second, 
drive-up kiosks are exempted.  Although people with certain 
disabilities are not drivers, they are all passengers who may 
encounter a drive-up kiosk; and exempting drive-up units is 
discriminatory to a disabled passenger.  The NFB encourages the board 
to ensure that all kiosks be required to be accessible.

These comments and others were compiled and formally submitted by the 
NFB to the Access Board.  Now it is time for our members to make a 
statement and emphasize our concerns regarding kiosks.  Your comments 
can be short--the act of sending in feedback is more important than 
the length of your remarks.  You could say something as simple as "I 
think the definition of kiosks is too limited.  Please expand the 
definition and remove the exemptions."  You could also say "I think 
the definition of kiosks should be expanded and all exemptions 
removed to ensure full accessibility."  You can call Tim Creagan at 
(202) 272-0016, e-mail your thoughts to 
<mailto:ictrule at access-board.gov>ictrule at access-board.gov with 
"2010-1" in the subject line, fax to (202) 272-0081, or post your 
comments on <http://www.regulations.gov/>www.regulations.gov.  To 
view the full draft, visit 
<http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/refresh/draft-rule.htm>http://www.access-board.gov/sec508/refresh/draft-rule.htm. 


If you need more information, please contact Lauren McLarney at (410) 
659-9314, extension 2207.

Sincerely,

Joanne Wilson
Executive Director, Affiliate Action
jwilson at nfb.org



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From bcsarah.fan at gmail.com  Sat Jun 19 03:13:57 2010
From: bcsarah.fan at gmail.com (bcsarah.fan at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 20:13:57 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] interacting with the public in a customer service type role
Message-ID: <AANLkTiluswONiQtjHHKfxV-Qx3XVqP6Fotth7fJ22Gib@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone:

Recently I began a new summer position within a government
organization where I am now employed for my fourth summer. In this
particular job I am trying to help youth find employment, which is
accomplished by promoting our services at events , as well as help
youth and employers when they come into our office. I am part of a
team, my other colleagues being sighted.

Up until this coming week I have done most of my work in the back of
the office, and this has mainly been administrative things (phone
calls/e-mails to contact employers, posting jobs on the online job
bank, etc.) But I have never actually been out helping youth yet in
the front. This coming week I will be exploring how I might fit in in
that capacity, but have a few questions, and thought some of you may
have some experience and best practices regarding this.

1. How have you dealt with clients coming in and out of the office in
terms of knowing when someone approaches you without seeing them
especially if you are doing other work than just sitting at a desk?
While I wait for youth I will be doing a lot of the duties that I
would normally take on in the back.
2. Have any of you had to deal with information that changes quickly?
and How have you dealt with that? For example, we have a list of jobs
that are available for youth through our casual labour program, and
that changes rather quickly. I have a braille display hooked up to my
computer in the back office but don't want to bring it to the front as
that will not be my permanent location - I will switch off with my
colleagues frequently. I am considering brailling these jobs out each
day on my brailler, but that's the only solution I have thus far.

I think those are the main things I can think of for the moment. Any
suggestions/advice would be great. I see no wrong answer.

Patricia


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sat Jun 19 15:18:19 2010
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 08:18:19 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] interacting with the public in a customer service type
	role
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiluswONiQtjHHKfxV-Qx3XVqP6Fotth7fJ22Gib@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTiluswONiQtjHHKfxV-Qx3XVqP6Fotth7fJ22Gib@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimJFt0zn5NU6TWwbrNO2UmGN_RZRqk7QhQ3VhiM@mail.gmail.com>

Patricia,
 Let me first  comment on how one  might  approach interacting with
people who  might constently come and go.  i think that  the best way
of doing this may be to simply say "hello"as  you hear a person coming
by, you would use your best judgement  in regards to when to   employ
this technique, but in this  way, you can get to hear the voices of
people who come by and hopefully gage who is leaving or coming in.
 Eventually this may evolve into a system where your co-workers   may
take it into their own hands and  say "hey Dan and jack are headed to
the conference room"  or"Linda and I are headed out to lunch" But, if
not; there's  at least a very simple and natural way of  communicating
with  those   going and coming.
  As for changing information, I feel like  you've come up with two
really good options of either using your braille display and  moving
it to whatever station (probably not the most desirable for you) or
brailling the information out.
 I would be interested to hear what others have done in both
situationss, but I hope this   at least serves as a starting point.
 Best,
  Darian


On 6/18/10, bcsarah.fan at gmail.com <bcsarah.fan at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone:
>
> Recently I began a new summer position within a government
> organization where I am now employed for my fourth summer. In this
> particular job I am trying to help youth find employment, which is
> accomplished by promoting our services at events , as well as help
> youth and employers when they come into our office. I am part of a
> team, my other colleagues being sighted.
>
> Up until this coming week I have done most of my work in the back of
> the office, and this has mainly been administrative things (phone
> calls/e-mails to contact employers, posting jobs on the online job
> bank, etc.) But I have never actually been out helping youth yet in
> the front. This coming week I will be exploring how I might fit in in
> that capacity, but have a few questions, and thought some of you may
> have some experience and best practices regarding this.
>
> 1. How have you dealt with clients coming in and out of the office in
> terms of knowing when someone approaches you without seeing them
> especially if you are doing other work than just sitting at a desk?
> While I wait for youth I will be doing a lot of the duties that I
> would normally take on in the back.
> 2. Have any of you had to deal with information that changes quickly?
> and How have you dealt with that? For example, we have a list of jobs
> that are available for youth through our casual labour program, and
> that changes rather quickly. I have a braille display hooked up to my
> computer in the back office but don't want to bring it to the front as
> that will not be my permanent location - I will switch off with my
> colleagues frequently. I am considering brailling these jobs out each
> day on my brailler, but that's the only solution I have thus far.
>
> I think those are the main things I can think of for the moment. Any
> suggestions/advice would be great. I see no wrong answer.
>
> Patricia
>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 19 15:54:16 2010
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 11:54:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] interacting with the public in a customer service type
 role
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiluswONiQtjHHKfxV-Qx3XVqP6Fotth7fJ22Gib@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTiluswONiQtjHHKfxV-Qx3XVqP6Fotth7fJ22Gib@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W347E8E13CF00C4FB305033BAC10@phx.gbl>


Hello Patricia,
 
Personally, I do not see anything wrong with you bringing your Braille display up to the front of the office when you are working there. If other members of the office have access to those computers on a temporary basis, then I do not see any reason why you cannot have temporary access to those computers as well. Also, if your computer is a laptop rather than a desktop, you could just bring your computer with you when you are working in the front of the office. I do not know what kind of computer you have, so I do not know if this would work in your particular situation. Perhaps some more technically minded people on the list could give you a few more suggestions if these ones do not work out for you.
 
As far as interacting with people in the front part of the office, does the door make some kind of noise when people come into the office? Sometimes there is a chime that goes off when someone opens the door, or sometimes there are bells hanging from the doorknob that jingle when someone opens the door. In either case, if you take note of what kind of noise the door makes, you can just simply greet people as they walk through the door. You could either get up and physically meet them at the door, or you could simply look up towards the door and say hello. Again, I do not know what your office environment looks like, so this may or may not work for your particular situation. But hopefully it will give you a few things to think about as you figure out what works best for you.  
 
Elizabeth 

 
> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 20:13:57 -0700
> From: bcsarah.fan at gmail.com
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] interacting with the public in a customer service type role
> 
> Hi everyone:
> 
> Recently I began a new summer position within a government
> organization where I am now employed for my fourth summer. In this
> particular job I am trying to help youth find employment, which is
> accomplished by promoting our services at events , as well as help
> youth and employers when they come into our office. I am part of a
> team, my other colleagues being sighted.
> 
> Up until this coming week I have done most of my work in the back of
> the office, and this has mainly been administrative things (phone
> calls/e-mails to contact employers, posting jobs on the online job
> bank, etc.) But I have never actually been out helping youth yet in
> the front. This coming week I will be exploring how I might fit in in
> that capacity, but have a few questions, and thought some of you may
> have some experience and best practices regarding this.
> 
> 1. How have you dealt with clients coming in and out of the office in
> terms of knowing when someone approaches you without seeing them
> especially if you are doing other work than just sitting at a desk?
> While I wait for youth I will be doing a lot of the duties that I
> would normally take on in the back.
> 2. Have any of you had to deal with information that changes quickly?
> and How have you dealt with that? For example, we have a list of jobs
> that are available for youth through our casual labour program, and
> that changes rather quickly. I have a braille display hooked up to my
> computer in the back office but don't want to bring it to the front as
> that will not be my permanent location - I will switch off with my
> colleagues frequently. I am considering brailling these jobs out each
> day on my brailler, but that's the only solution I have thus far.
> 
> I think those are the main things I can think of for the moment. Any
> suggestions/advice would be great. I see no wrong answer.
> 
> Patricia
> 
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From jty727 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 19 18:05:15 2010
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 14:05:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] interacting with the public in a customer service type
	role
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W347E8E13CF00C4FB305033BAC10@phx.gbl>
References: <AANLkTiluswONiQtjHHKfxV-Qx3XVqP6Fotth7fJ22Gib@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL118-W347E8E13CF00C4FB305033BAC10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinY42EGxkn65jzL5uz7XNOCCx1VVdRL_r8n73XV@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
In reading all of the great ideas I have to say I agree with the ones
who say there is no problem with the Braille display.  Elizabeth makes
a good point, if your using a laptop over a desktop it might be easier
to move.  In either case I say its fine becaus thats a reasonable
accomadation.  Another option could be asking someone to read the list
every morning into a recorder which you could refer to.  As for the
door situation, have you spoken with your boss about it?  If you talk
with them about putting some sort of windchime on the door it will
help you know if someone is coming/leaving.
I hope these help,
Justin

On 6/19/10, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Patricia,
>
> Personally, I do not see anything wrong with you bringing your Braille
> display up to the front of the office when you are working there. If other
> members of the office have access to those computers on a temporary basis,
> then I do not see any reason why you cannot have temporary access to those
> computers as well. Also, if your computer is a laptop rather than a desktop,
> you could just bring your computer with you when you are working in the
> front of the office. I do not know what kind of computer you have, so I do
> not know if this would work in your particular situation. Perhaps some more
> technically minded people on the list could give you a few more suggestions
> if these ones do not work out for you.
>
> As far as interacting with people in the front part of the office, does the
> door make some kind of noise when people come into the office? Sometimes
> there is a chime that goes off when someone opens the door, or sometimes
> there are bells hanging from the doorknob that jingle when someone opens the
> door. In either case, if you take note of what kind of noise the door makes,
> you can just simply greet people as they walk through the door. You could
> either get up and physically meet them at the door, or you could simply look
> up towards the door and say hello. Again, I do not know what your office
> environment looks like, so this may or may not work for your particular
> situation. But hopefully it will give you a few things to think about as you
> figure out what works best for you.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
>> Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 20:13:57 -0700
>> From: bcsarah.fan at gmail.com
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] interacting with the public in a customer service type
>> role
>>
>> Hi everyone:
>>
>> Recently I began a new summer position within a government
>> organization where I am now employed for my fourth summer. In this
>> particular job I am trying to help youth find employment, which is
>> accomplished by promoting our services at events , as well as help
>> youth and employers when they come into our office. I am part of a
>> team, my other colleagues being sighted.
>>
>> Up until this coming week I have done most of my work in the back of
>> the office, and this has mainly been administrative things (phone
>> calls/e-mails to contact employers, posting jobs on the online job
>> bank, etc.) But I have never actually been out helping youth yet in
>> the front. This coming week I will be exploring how I might fit in in
>> that capacity, but have a few questions, and thought some of you may
>> have some experience and best practices regarding this.
>>
>> 1. How have you dealt with clients coming in and out of the office in
>> terms of knowing when someone approaches you without seeing them
>> especially if you are doing other work than just sitting at a desk?
>> While I wait for youth I will be doing a lot of the duties that I
>> would normally take on in the back.
>> 2. Have any of you had to deal with information that changes quickly?
>> and How have you dealt with that? For example, we have a list of jobs
>> that are available for youth through our casual labour program, and
>> that changes rather quickly. I have a braille display hooked up to my
>> computer in the back office but don't want to bring it to the front as
>> that will not be my permanent location - I will switch off with my
>> colleagues frequently. I am considering brailling these jobs out each
>> day on my brailler, but that's the only solution I have thus far.
>>
>> I think those are the main things I can think of for the moment. Any
>> suggestions/advice would be great. I see no wrong answer.
>>
>> Patricia
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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From rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 19 21:45:05 2010
From: rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com (Rob)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 14:45:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Voice recorders for College & Grad School
Message-ID: <21912.61213.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I know Sarah has the DM-420 by Olympus, but I was curious about what others were using. I really want something with a low pass filter, stereo recording, and index markers, so I can mark each slide on the overhead. Anyone for recommendations? I also want to use this for podcasting.

Sent from my iPod


      



From aadkins7 at verizon.net  Sat Jun 19 22:14:08 2010
From: aadkins7 at verizon.net (Anita Adkins)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 18:14:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voice recorders for College & Grad School
In-Reply-To: <21912.61213.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <21912.61213.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <224348AB854A499F8835162AA2A26206@AnitaAdkinsPC>

I don't know what a low pass filter is, but I use the Victor reader.  The 
audio is excellent, and you can insert bookmarks with it.  The external 
speaker isn't very loud, but if you use headphones, the sound is much 
louder.  All functions speak, and the battery lasts a very long time.  It 
plays books from RFB&D and the library for the blind.  It also plays mp3 
books or files and can play text files.  I love mine.  It is slightly larger 
than a cell phone.  It has a headphone jack and a jack for an external mic, 
but I have never used the external mic jack because it has an excellent 
built in mic.  It uses sd cards.  I think you can also hook a thumb drive 
into it, but I may be wrong about that.  It comes with a cord to hook it 
through USB into the computer.  It is made by Humanware.  Just FYI.  Anita

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob" <rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 5:45 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Voice recorders for College & Grad School


>I know Sarah has the DM-420 by Olympus, but I was curious about what others 
>were using. I really want something with a low pass filter, stereo 
>recording, and index markers, so I can mark each slide on the overhead. 
>Anyone for recommendations? I also want to use this for podcasting.
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
>
>
>
>
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From jty727 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 19 22:19:46 2010
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 18:19:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voice recorders for College & Grad School
In-Reply-To: <224348AB854A499F8835162AA2A26206@AnitaAdkinsPC>
References: <21912.61213.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<224348AB854A499F8835162AA2A26206@AnitaAdkinsPC>
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I use an Olympus WM311 I believe it is.  It has a stereo mic and
whatever you record can be put on a computer.  It records in WMA
format.
Justin

On 6/19/10, Anita Adkins <aadkins7 at verizon.net> wrote:
> I don't know what a low pass filter is, but I use the Victor reader.  The
> audio is excellent, and you can insert bookmarks with it.  The external
> speaker isn't very loud, but if you use headphones, the sound is much
> louder.  All functions speak, and the battery lasts a very long time.  It
> plays books from RFB&D and the library for the blind.  It also plays mp3
> books or files and can play text files.  I love mine.  It is slightly larger
> than a cell phone.  It has a headphone jack and a jack for an external mic,
> but I have never used the external mic jack because it has an excellent
> built in mic.  It uses sd cards.  I think you can also hook a thumb drive
> into it, but I may be wrong about that.  It comes with a cord to hook it
> through USB into the computer.  It is made by Humanware.  Just FYI.  Anita
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rob" <rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 5:45 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Voice recorders for College & Grad School
>
>
>>I know Sarah has the DM-420 by Olympus, but I was curious about what others
>>
>>were using. I really want something with a low pass filter, stereo
>>recording, and index markers, so I can mark each slide on the overhead.
>>Anyone for recommendations? I also want to use this for podcasting.
>>
>> Sent from my iPod
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From corbbo at gmail.com  Sun Jun 20 16:00:39 2010
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 12:00:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] a question about the shuttle reserving.
In-Reply-To: <00D7781B-E218-416F-A6CF-06A1725D4E5D@gmail.com>
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I would urge you to book TODAY...not much later.

Corbb

On Jun 17, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

Hello. can I reserve the 26 dollar round top ticket whenI get to Dallas or do H have to do it before my flight takes of on jul 2?

Thanks.

S
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sun Jun 20 17:19:11 2010
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 10:19:11 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] News and Notes from nabs
Message-ID: <AANLkTilHd-TDqA2olFj5kAa13BcaM4zD5rbci0MpO1Rj@mail.gmail.com>

Hello fellow students,
 Ready for convention?  A few announcements from the  national
Association of Blind Students:

1.	Don’t forget to register online for the  nabs meeting  that will
take place on Sunday, July 4.  Registration is at 6 p.m. and  the
meeting  begins at 7;  but if you want to be sure  to  avoid the  long
lines,  simply go to www.nabslink.org and  look for the link “become a
member of the national association of blind students” link on the
home page.   Once you do that,  all you will have to do is  pay your
$5 registration fee and you’ll be  good to go!
2. On Saturday evening from 8:00 to midnight, NABS will be hosting a
Student Hospitality Night in the Affiliate Action Suite, Room
2372.   Drop in for snacks, games, and the chance to meet and mingle
with other blind high school, college, graduate and nontraditional
students. Feel free to drop in and out while also enjoying salsa
dancing, karaoke, or the Rookie Roundup, a gathering for first-time
convention attendees.
 Should you have any questions about any of our nabs events, please
feel free to contact any of  the nabs  board and we would love to
answer them for you!
 Have a great weekend and see you in Dallas!

-- 
Darian Smith
Board member
National Association of Blind Students
www.nabslink.org
Skype: The_Blind_Truth
Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com
“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are
spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin


From astrochem119 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 20 19:15:48 2010
From: astrochem119 at gmail.com (Chelsea Cook)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 15:15:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbv-announce] Requesting Assistance with Study
In-Reply-To: <004901cb1059$0904e2c0$1b0ea840$@com>
References: <004901cb1059$0904e2c0$1b0ea840$@com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinRd4Pc89JumRtok5fBfBoRnncG3hQZHxYnO5Px@mail.gmail.com>

Thought this would be of interest and appropriate for most students.

Chelsea

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Fredric Schroeder <fschroeder at sks.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 05:14:47 -0400
Subject: [Nfbv-announce] Requesting Assistance with Study
To: nfbv-announce at nfbnet.org

From: Kurutz, Steven A [mailto:kurut459 at regis.edu]



Hello,

I am a student at Regis University working on my Master's thesis, which
concerns the use of social networking systems by persons who are blind.  Dr.
Judith Chwalow of the National Federation of the Blind suggested that you
may be able to help me with my research.

I am seeking participants in an online survey that takes about 30 minutes to
complete.  I am willing to conduct the survey by telephone as well.  A brief
description of the study and the survey may be found at
http://www.kurutz.com/OSNStudyMain.htm, and the survey itself is located at
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/OSN2010.

I would greatly appreciate your participation in the survey, as well as your
distributing this invitation to other individuals that would be interested
in doing so.



Thanks in advance for any assistance that you can give.  I welcome any
questions via e-mail or phone (303-949-3666).



Best Regards,


Steve Kurutz

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"I ask you to look both ways.  For the road to a knowledge of the
stars leads through the atom; and important knowledge of the atom has
been reached through
the stars."
Sir Arthur Eddington, British astrophysicist (1882-1944), Stars and
Atoms (1928), Lecture 1


From trillian551 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 21 02:35:31 2010
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 22:35:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Mgmt and women
In-Reply-To: <C843C499.B804%equeen@emory.edu>
References: <C843C499.B804%equeen@emory.edu>
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Queen II, Edward L" <equeen at emory.edu>
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 13:14:01 -0400
Subject: Mgmt and women
To: "Padwa, Aaron Walsh" <apadwa at emory.edu>, "Serna, Alexis Marie"
<aserna at emory.edu>, April Bowen <abowen52 at gmail.com>, "Wettlin, Beth
Ann" <bwettli at emory.edu>, "Jackson, Christopher D'Marius"
<cdjack2 at emory.edu>, "Bell, Courtney Eunique" <cbell7 at emory.edu>,
"Queen II, Edward L" <equeen at emory.edu>, "Dunn, Erin Eileen"
<eedunn at emory.edu>, Faheem Khemani <faheem.khemani at gmail.com>,
"Frankel, Hannah Whitman" <hfranke at emory.edu>, "Rogers, Hannah Alise"
<haroger at emory.edu>, "Hamraie, Payum James" <phamrai at emory.edu>, Jimmy
McCarty <james.w.mccarty.iii at gmail.com>, "Petersen, John Michael"
<jmpete3 at emory.edu>, "Lee, Kiwon" <klee24 at emory.edu>, "Donnelly, Laura
Sarah Elizabeth" <lsdonne at emory.edu>, "Mackey, Carlton D"
<cmackey at emory.edu>, "Jordan, Mariangela"
<mariangela.jordan at emory.edu>, Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com>,
Mary Lutton <melutton at gmail.com>, "Haile, Melia" <mhaile3 at emory.edu>,
"Ajibade, Omotola Kehinde" <okajiba at emory.edu>, Rebecca Cleeton
<cleetonr at gmail.com>, "Movens, Scott Matthew" <smovens at emory.edu>,
"Varma, Selina" <svarma3 at emory.edu>, "Creasman, Sharad H."
<sharad.h.creasman at emory.edu>, "Baliga, Shifali" <sbalig2 at emory.edu>,
Surabhi Agrawal <surabhiagrawal25 at gmail.com>, "Tyger-Batton, Taylor
Nicole" <ttygerb at emory.edu>, "Chu, Tianjiao" <tchu6 at emory.edu>,
"Hodge, Tiffany Ann" <tahodge at emory.edu>, "Mirza, Zunera"
<zmirza at emory.edu>, "Benoit, Herlynn Margaret" <hbenoit at emory.edu>


The Atlantic <http://www.theatlantic.com/>  01.09.2010 (USA)

In an article that has attracted plenty of flack from readers, Hanna
Rosin describes
<http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-end-of-men/8135>
the end of men. More women go to college, get degrees and jobs than
men, and their jobs are more crisis-resistant. And their qualities are
increasingly valued by employers: "A 2008 study attempted to quantify
the effect of this more-feminine management style. Researchers at
Columbia Business School and the University of Maryland analyzed data
on the top 1,500 U.S. companies from 1992 to 2006 to determine the
relationship between firm performance and female participation in
senior management. Firms that had women in top positions performed
better, and this was especially true if the firm pursued what the
researchers called an 'innovation intensive strategy,' in which, they
argued, 'creativity and collaboration may be especially important' -
an apt description of the future economy. It could be that women boost
corporate performance, or it could be that better-performing firms
have the luxury of recruiting and keeping high-potential women. But
the association is clear: innovative, successful firms are the ones
that promote women. The same Columbia-Maryland study ranked America's
industries by the proportion of firms that employed female executives,
and the bottom of the list reads like the ghosts of the economy past:
shipbuilding, real estate, coal, steelworks, machinery."

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From ginisd at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun 21 03:39:04 2010
From: ginisd at sbcglobal.net (V Nork)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 20:39:04 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Voice recorders for College & Grad School
In-Reply-To: <224348AB854A499F8835162AA2A26206@AnitaAdkinsPC>
References: <21912.61213.qm@web56103.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<224348AB854A499F8835162AA2A26206@AnitaAdkinsPC>
Message-ID: <2CBBB701F9FD4F60BE2DD99A3A099B7E@windows4c0ed96>

Hello all, I have used the Victor Reader stream as well in my college
classes and love it dearly, and agree with all the comments below.  The
newest  upgrade will also allow you to convert  files with the pdf
extension  and place them on your stream.  I have not tried this yet.  I
also have an   Olympus DS50, which is another kind of digital tape recorder.
This  DS50 may have slightly better pickup than the Victor    and is often
used to do podcasts.   I have not learned to use this yet, but I think it
will not be too difficult when I have time to settle down with it.  It is an
older model of Olympus recorder but the advantage of something like the DS50
for me, just personally, is that there are many users of this model out
there.  So if I need help learning it, I have many possible sources of
instruction.  For example the VR stream has many more users I think than the
newer Gw Micro book sense, so perhaps I  would run into more other users who
can help me if I need troubleshooting with the stream than if I had the book
sense.  Also the VR stream has an unusually nice and  knowledgeable user
list, I am sorry I do not have a link to this user list serve.  I think it
is on the Humanware site Best of luck, Ginny.,

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Anita Adkins
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 3:14 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voice recorders for College & Grad School

I don't know what a low pass filter is, but I use the Victor reader.  The 
audio is excellent, and you can insert bookmarks with it.  The external 
speaker isn't very loud, but if you use headphones, the sound is much 
louder.  All functions speak, and the battery lasts a very long time.  It 
plays books from RFB&D and the library for the blind.  It also plays mp3 
books or files and can play text files.  I love mine.  It is slightly larger

than a cell phone.  It has a headphone jack and a jack for an external mic, 
but I have never used the external mic jack because it has an excellent 
built in mic.  It uses sd cards.  I think you can also hook a thumb drive 
into it, but I may be wrong about that.  It comes with a cord to hook it 
through USB into the computer.  It is made by Humanware.  Just FYI.  Anita

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob" <rmlambert1987 at yahoo.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 5:45 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Voice recorders for College & Grad School


>I know Sarah has the DM-420 by Olympus, but I was curious about what others

>were using. I really want something with a low pass filter, stereo 
>recording, and index markers, so I can mark each slide on the overhead. 
>Anyone for recommendations? I also want to use this for podcasting.
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
>
>
>
>
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From corbbo at gmail.com  Mon Jun 21 14:33:52 2010
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbbmacc O'Connor)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 10:33:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NYT article on Ray Kurzweil and Blio
Message-ID: <AANLkTileGn0cgJEogsRp1xnnUMrzzPIRdWiafKxrqPD-@mail.gmail.com>

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/18/ray-kurzweil-vows-to-right-e-reader-wrongs/

Ray Kurzweil Vows to Right E-Reader Wrongs
By ASHLEE VANCE

There’s Amazon.com’s Kindle, Sony’s Reader, Barnes and Noble’s Nook,
Apple’s iPad and a bevy of iPad and Kindle clones. Still, Ray
Kurzweil, the famed inventor, thinks people deserve yet another option
when it comes to reading books and magazines with an electronic
device.
Rick Friedman for The New York Times Ray Kurzweil at his home in Newton, Mass.

And so, Mr. Kurzweil presents Blio, a software package that can run on
everything from PCs to hand-held devices. It displays colorful images
and varying fonts with formatting similar to what people find in
physical texts.

The Blio free software should become more widely available to
consumers over the next two months, Mr. Kurzweil said, as large PC
makers and retailers like Wal-Mart begin to offer it on their own
devices.

“Wal-Mart is very excited,” Mr. Kurzweil said. (Melissa O’Brien, a
Wal-Mart spokeswoman, said, “We speak to manufacturers and suppliers
all the time regarding new products, so as a general rule we simply do
not comment on speculation about what may be coming to Wal-Mart or
Wal-Mart products until plans are absolute.”)

Mr. Kurzweil argued that the existing e-readers and tablets had
limitations in the text formats they support and the way they handle
the original images and layouts in printed texts. Blio preserves the
original formatting, making it particularly attractive to publishers
of things like cookbooks, how-to guides, schoolbooks, travel guides
and children’s books.

“The publishers will not give things with complex formats to these
e-reader makers,” Mr. Kurzweil said. “They destroy the format.”

He said, “The iPad launched with just 30,000 books, which are all in
the ePub format. Apple showed one jerry-rigged Winnie-the-Pooh book on
TV, which they had to craft by hand.”

Mr. Kurzweil has a long history of dealing with this type of
technology. He created the first scanning systems for blind people
that could read aloud everyday texts and went on to pioneer
text-to-speech and voice recognition software technology.

He has also made a name for himself as a predictor of technology
trends. In some of his books, Mr. Kurzweil lays out a series of graphs
that show how things like chip speeds, Internet bandwidth and memory
price-performance grow at exponential rates. He has even used these
observations as the basis of a life philosophy that promises great
technological advances in the years to come, which I described at
length in a recent article on the Singularity.

Over the years, Mr. Kurzweil has made millions of dollars selling his
technology and companies. But he thinks Blio and its associated
bookstore could end up as the real blockbuster even though it appears
somewhat late to market, especially considering the success of the
Kindle.

“This shows every potential to be the biggest business we have run,”
Mr. Kurzweil said.

When not making e-reader software and predicting man’s future, Mr.
Kurzweil spends some time building automated financial trading systems
for hedge funds through a company called FatKat.

Only so much about FatKat can be revealed publicly, Mr. Kurzweil said,
because the Securities and Exchange Commission frowns on boasting
about gains in the hedge fund arena.

“I can say that we have an arrangement with a multibillion-dollar firm
that gets all of its money from one multibillionaire,” Mr. Kurzweil
said. “They’re eager for us to manage $100 million or $200 million,
and we are almost there.”

The pattern recognition software makes bets based on fluctuations in
the markets, and Mr. Kurzweil’s company takes 30 percent of any gains.


From jackson.dezman at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 01:16:09 2010
From: jackson.dezman at gmail.com (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 20:16:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] roommate needed for convention
Message-ID: <7F02D5790DB44DE18AC47A69BB3FF602@Dezman>

Hi, Nabsters,

If anyone is still looking for a room for convention, I know of three ladies looking for a fourth female roommate.  They will be arriving on July 2 and checking out on the 9th.  If interested, shoot me an email at jackson.dezman at gmail.com.

Best,
Dezman

From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 22 07:34:11 2010
From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 00:34:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] roommate needed for convention
In-Reply-To: <7F02D5790DB44DE18AC47A69BB3FF602@Dezman>
Message-ID: <97554.60050.qm@web53808.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I can not help you out with girls, but if anyone knows of any guy who needs a roommate feel free to email me off list. I already have one, but I would not mind having another guy to room with us in order to cut down on the cost.
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller


--- On Mon, 6/21/10, Dezman Jackson <jackson.dezman at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Dezman Jackson <jackson.dezman at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] roommate needed for convention
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 8:16 PM
> Hi, Nabsters,
> 
> If anyone is still looking for a room for convention, I
> know of three ladies looking for a fourth female
> roommate.  They will be arriving on July 2 and checking
> out on the 9th.  If interested, shoot me an email at jackson.dezman at gmail.com.
> 
> Best,
> Dezman
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From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 22 09:31:04 2010
From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 02:31:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: international opportunities
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W35C3B79C43E597A24DC244BADF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <851666.27278.qm@web53806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hello Elizabeth,
I have never actually participated in a oneline workshop eather, so I m not sure how you would go about doing it. How I am sure you can call MIUSA and someone would be glad to help you providing you can still signup. I do not have the contact information handy, but go to
www.miusa.org
and there should be a link for contact us.
cHope this helps.
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller


--- On Thu, 6/17/10, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: international opportunities
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Thursday, June 17, 2010, 3:38 PM
> 
> You know, I have been trying to figure out what the heck
> webinar meant ever since I saw this message on another email
> list. I thought it was some kind of fancy acronym for
> something, but it finally dawned on me that it is probably
> just a seminar that is held online. If this is the case,
> then I would be interested in attending provided that I can
> still sign up for it. However, I have never participated in
> something like this before, so I am just curious about how
> someone goes about participating in a webinar. I would
> imagine that it might involve voice chat of some kind, but I
> have never used voice chat on my computer before. So I guess
> if anyone would like to give me some technical advice off
> list, that would be appreciated.
>  
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
>  
> > Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:20:55 -0700
> > From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com
> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: international opportunities
> > 
> > 
> > I thought some of you may be interested in this.
> > Anmol
> > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
> make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at
> times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
> > Hellen Keller
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 6/16/10, Michele Scheib <mscheib at MIUSA.ORG>
> wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Michele Scheib <mscheib at MIUSA.ORG>
> > > Subject: international opportunities
> > > To: NDSU at LISTSERV.UIC.EDU
> > > Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010, 5:09 PM
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> > > 
> > > Hi All,
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The National Clearinghouse on Disability and
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> including
> > > options to submit
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> > > disabilities can take
> > > advantage of this added incentive to share
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> > > http://www.miusa.org/ncde/ncdenewsevents/storiescall.
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 16:49:37 2010
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:49:37 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] SD card problems
Message-ID: <AANLkTinmoc30X7CwH_tVWi9apdsulxljgTdhC7Mst967@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, all.
Turns out I want to try the NFB Newsline in your pocket program, but
my SD card's giving me trouble when I tried reformatting.  It all
started when I got an exception error message while trying to use the
In Your Pocket program.  It gave me some Java message about something
or other that I couldn't understand.  I downloaded the version with
Java software, and it still didn't work.  So now I formatted my SD
card, and the folders were unavailable.  I couldn't upload books to
the stream anymore, and I'm also on a limited budget so the SD card
thing will cost me too much.  HELP!
Beth


From trillian551 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 16:53:01 2010
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:53:01 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SD card problems
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinmoc30X7CwH_tVWi9apdsulxljgTdhC7Mst967@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinmoc30X7CwH_tVWi9apdsulxljgTdhC7Mst967@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTineQJ4xTNqpoSWoKcASIM56q8BDrkXQmg7BcXO8@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Beth,
Make sure the SD card isn't locked. Which has happened to me.
Good luck.
Mary


On 6/22/10, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, all.
> Turns out I want to try the NFB Newsline in your pocket program, but
> my SD card's giving me trouble when I tried reformatting.  It all
> started when I got an exception error message while trying to use the
> In Your Pocket program.  It gave me some Java message about something
> or other that I couldn't understand.  I downloaded the version with
> Java software, and it still didn't work.  So now I formatted my SD
> card, and the folders were unavailable.  I couldn't upload books to
> the stream anymore, and I'm also on a limited budget so the SD card
> thing will cost me too much.  HELP!
> Beth
>
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P.O. Box 123056
Atlanta Ga.
30322
Phone: 732-857-7004
"Books are the quietest and most constant of friends; they are the
most accessible and wisest of counselors, and the most patient of
teachers."
Charles W. Eliot


From pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun 22 16:46:33 2010
From: pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net (Peter Donahue)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:46:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] roommate needed for convention
References: <97554.60050.qm@web53808.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01b401cb122d$33ce56a0$4001a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>

Good morning everyone,

    This sounds like a prescription for trouble. Rooming with one or more 
chapter members or relatives of the opposite sex is fine but seeking such 
roommates over the Internet is inviting problems. Mary and I know this from 
bitter experience. Here's hoping you can find someone else to share your 
room but please be careful.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anmol Bhatia" <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] roommate needed for convention


I can not help you out with girls, but if anyone knows of any guy who needs 
a roommate feel free to email me off list. I already have one, but I would 
not mind having another guy to room with us in order to cut down on the 
cost.
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps 
there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze 
among flowers.
Hellen Keller


--- On Mon, 6/21/10, Dezman Jackson <jackson.dezman at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Dezman Jackson <jackson.dezman at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] roommate needed for convention
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 8:16 PM
> Hi, Nabsters,
>
> If anyone is still looking for a room for convention, I
> know of three ladies looking for a fourth female
> roommate. They will be arriving on July 2 and checking
> out on the 9th. If interested, shoot me an email at 
> jackson.dezman at gmail.com.
>
> Best,
> Dezman
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From raniaismail04 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 18:52:33 2010
From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania )
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:52:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A friend needing help.
Message-ID: <214718E051684999A339D5234DD08691@RainaIsmailPC>

Hi I have a friend who wants to know how you as students pay for college
when vr doesn't help?
Thanks for your help.
Rania,
 

"For everyone who thought I couldn't do it.
For everyone who thought I shouldn't do it.
For everyone who said, 'It's impossible."
See you at the finish line."

~Christopher Reeve

 

From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 17:59:06 2010
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:59:06 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] roommate needed for convention
In-Reply-To: <01b401cb122d$33ce56a0$4001a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>
References: <97554.60050.qm@web53808.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<01b401cb122d$33ce56a0$4001a8c0@yourfsyly0jtwn>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinQaityv1YIyxz7hNCOkYW2uo1L39pY_WmC64bz@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings Peter and list,
 I believe that there might have been a minor misunderstanding.  it
it sounded to me  like  Desmond was making an inquiry  on behalf of an
individuall  or individuals who requested a female roomate.  Anmo
(again from my understanding) was looking for a male roomate.  I'm
not sure that anyone is suggesting  rooming with any one of the same
gender, but that dicision is one that is  obviously made by the person
or persons who have reserved the room. I would agree that you should
be careful, but    from what I understand,  it seems like Desmond and
Anmal were being careful.
 Thanks all and stay  safe this convention!
 respectfully,
  Darian



On 6/22/10, Peter Donahue <pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Good morning everyone,
>
>     This sounds like a prescription for trouble. Rooming with one or more
> chapter members or relatives of the opposite sex is fine but seeking such
> roommates over the Internet is inviting problems. Mary and I know this from
> bitter experience. Here's hoping you can find someone else to share your
> room but please be careful.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anmol Bhatia" <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] roommate needed for convention
>
>
> I can not help you out with girls, but if anyone knows of any guy who needs
> a roommate feel free to email me off list. I already have one, but I would
> not mind having another guy to room with us in order to cut down on the
> cost.
> Anmol
> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze
> among flowers.
> Hellen Keller
>
>
> --- On Mon, 6/21/10, Dezman Jackson <jackson.dezman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Dezman Jackson <jackson.dezman at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] roommate needed for convention
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Monday, June 21, 2010, 8:16 PM
>> Hi, Nabsters,
>>
>> If anyone is still looking for a room for convention, I
>> know of three ladies looking for a fourth female
>> roommate. They will be arriving on July 2 and checking
>> out on the 9th. If interested, shoot me an email at
>> jackson.dezman at gmail.com.
>>
>> Best,
>> Dezman
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From aadkins7 at verizon.net  Tue Jun 22 19:24:33 2010
From: aadkins7 at verizon.net (Anita Adkins)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:24:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A friend needing help.
In-Reply-To: <214718E051684999A339D5234DD08691@RainaIsmailPC>
References: <214718E051684999A339D5234DD08691@RainaIsmailPC>
Message-ID: <FFEB050B9CBC42408B4E70FD581A090F@AnitaAdkinsPC>

I went to Allegany College of Maryland,  where, if I provided proof, I did 
not have to pay tuition because I was on SSDI.  At this particular college, 
you had to be on SSI or SSDI, and so you might want to ask the disability 
office at the college of interest to find out if that is available.  I got 
my associate degree there.  At FSU, where I now attend, I would have to pay 
tuition, but Rehab helps me out.  I know if you apply for federal student 
aid, you can get money to help out also.  And, of course, there are student 
loans.  Just FYI.  Anita
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rania " <raniaismail04 at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:52 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] A friend needing help.


> Hi I have a friend who wants to know how you as students pay for college
> when vr doesn't help?
> Thanks for your help.
> Rania,
>
>
> "For everyone who thought I couldn't do it.
> For everyone who thought I shouldn't do it.
> For everyone who said, 'It's impossible."
> See you at the finish line."
>
> ~Christopher Reeve
>
>
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From corbbo at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 19:47:03 2010
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbbmacc O'Connor)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:47:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SD card problems
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTineQJ4xTNqpoSWoKcASIM56q8BDrkXQmg7BcXO8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinmoc30X7CwH_tVWi9apdsulxljgTdhC7Mst967@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTineQJ4xTNqpoSWoKcASIM56q8BDrkXQmg7BcXO8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimT1o7WEEP3lnllfXF4js3crKwGkLRfFuhpP49X@mail.gmail.com>

What Mary is saying is that there's a switch on the SD card -- about 2
or 3 square milimeters -- try switching that. My other thought is --
when you reformatted the SD card, did you take the card back through
the Stream Companion Software? That software has to create the folders
for NFB Newsline's program to talk to and for your Stream to read.

Best of luck!
Corbb


On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Beth,
> Make sure the SD card isn't locked. Which has happened to me.
> Good luck.
> Mary
>
>
> On 6/22/10, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi, all.
>> Turns out I want to try the NFB Newsline in your pocket program, but
>> my SD card's giving me trouble when I tried reformatting.  It all
>> started when I got an exception error message while trying to use the
>> In Your Pocket program.  It gave me some Java message about something
>> or other that I couldn't understand.  I downloaded the version with
>> Java software, and it still didn't work.  So now I formatted my SD
>> card, and the folders were unavailable.  I couldn't upload books to
>> the stream anymore, and I'm also on a limited budget so the SD card
>> thing will cost me too much.  HELP!
>> Beth
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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>>
>
>
> --
> Mary Fernandez
> Emory University 2012
> P.O. Box 123056
> Atlanta Ga.
> 30322
> Phone: 732-857-7004
> "Books are the quietest and most constant of friends; they are the
> most accessible and wisest of counselors, and the most patient of
> teachers."
> Charles W. Eliot
>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 22 20:53:58 2010
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:53:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A friend needing help.
In-Reply-To: <214718E051684999A339D5234DD08691@RainaIsmailPC>
References: <214718E051684999A339D5234DD08691@RainaIsmailPC>
Message-ID: <COL118-W440F6721B6D3F2FBB64FC0BAC40@phx.gbl>


If vocational rehabilitation is not willing to pay for you to attend college, you can always find a way to pay for it yourself. It may be difficult, but it can be done. Sometimes this may mean that you only go part time, and take classes based on when you can afford them rather than taking a full load of classes ,and graduating along with everyone else who begins college the same time as you. You may want to look into whether or not your college provides a payment plan where you can pay for your classes in installments rather than all at once. You may also want to look into attending a community college rather than a major university. The classes that are offered at a community college can be just as good as or sometimes even better than the classes offered at major universities. Although since it is more difficult to do it this way, there may come a point in time where you wonder if getting a college degree is really worth it. If anyone else has any more ideas, I would like to know as well since it is difficult to work with a vocational rehabilitation agency who seems to do nothing but argue with you or just simply gives up on you. 
 
Elizabeth

 
> From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:52:33 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] A friend needing help.
> 
> Hi I have a friend who wants to know how you as students pay for college
> when vr doesn't help?
> Thanks for your help.
> Rania,
> 
> 
> "For everyone who thought I couldn't do it.
> For everyone who thought I shouldn't do it.
> For everyone who said, 'It's impossible."
> See you at the finish line."
> 
> ~Christopher Reeve
> 
> 
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 21:05:29 2010
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:05:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] SD card problems
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTineQJ4xTNqpoSWoKcASIM56q8BDrkXQmg7BcXO8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinmoc30X7CwH_tVWi9apdsulxljgTdhC7Mst967@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTineQJ4xTNqpoSWoKcASIM56q8BDrkXQmg7BcXO8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilg-2p2zcPcVlSJ38j-HHNKaP64hgyX3ZydEuno@mail.gmail.com>

How do I know the SD card is locked?  Is it the crack in it?  I
believe I have a crack in it.
Beth

On 6/22/10, Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Beth,
> Make sure the SD card isn't locked. Which has happened to me.
> Good luck.
> Mary
>
>
> On 6/22/10, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi, all.
>> Turns out I want to try the NFB Newsline in your pocket program, but
>> my SD card's giving me trouble when I tried reformatting.  It all
>> started when I got an exception error message while trying to use the
>> In Your Pocket program.  It gave me some Java message about something
>> or other that I couldn't understand.  I downloaded the version with
>> Java software, and it still didn't work.  So now I formatted my SD
>> card, and the folders were unavailable.  I couldn't upload books to
>> the stream anymore, and I'm also on a limited budget so the SD card
>> thing will cost me too much.  HELP!
>> Beth
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From anjelinac26 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 21:57:40 2010
From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:57:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A friend needing help.
References: <214718E051684999A339D5234DD08691@RainaIsmailPC>
Message-ID: <55F003CA5D9042DEABA0ECE5C09FC996@D9P3ZND1>

If VR wasn't an option I'd rely on applying for scholarships, financial aid, 
working part-time or student loans. Even with the assistance from VR I've 
had to use a few of the above resources.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rania " <raniaismail04 at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:52 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] A friend needing help.


> Hi I have a friend who wants to know how you as students pay for college
> when vr doesn't help?
> Thanks for your help.
> Rania,
>
>
> "For everyone who thought I couldn't do it.
> For everyone who thought I shouldn't do it.
> For everyone who said, 'It's impossible."
> See you at the finish line."
>
> ~Christopher Reeve
>
>
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From jty727 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 22:00:05 2010
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:00:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A friend needing help.
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W440F6721B6D3F2FBB64FC0BAC40@phx.gbl>
References: <214718E051684999A339D5234DD08691@RainaIsmailPC>
	<COL118-W440F6721B6D3F2FBB64FC0BAC40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiloSOJ_KH3RgDwl6ho6sCcPiJUUkriawbJZ_YzN@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I can tell you how it works in New York State because I live in
Rochester, NY.  I actually did 2 years at Monroe Community
College(MCC).  My Vocational Rehab Counselor does all he can to assist
me.  When I was about 15 I transfered from a youth Counselor to an
Adult VRC.  Recently they basically have shut down the Rochester
office.  Well, our original person said "no" to everything.  So, we
asked tio be switched to one based out of Buffalo and its been amazing
ever since.  So, if your Vocational Rehab Counselor isn't helping you
I would possibily trying changing counselors.  Now, as for funding,
the Commission pays up to State University of New York(SUNY) rates
which are $2,175 a semester($4,350 full year).  We also receive $500
for Books and supplies.  Even thoughh I feel it's a long and more
complex than it has to be go through the Financial Aid route.  You do
this by filling out the Free Application for Federal Student
Aid(FAFSA).  After this you could try loanss/grants/scholarships for
final portion of funding.
Hope this helps
Justin

On 6/22/10, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> If vocational rehabilitation is not willing to pay for you to attend
> college, you can always find a way to pay for it yourself. It may be
> difficult, but it can be done. Sometimes this may mean that you only go part
> time, and take classes based on when you can afford them rather than taking
> a full load of classes ,and graduating along with everyone else who begins
> college the same time as you. You may want to look into whether or not your
> college provides a payment plan where you can pay for your classes in
> installments rather than all at once. You may also want to look into
> attending a community college rather than a major university. The classes
> that are offered at a community college can be just as good as or sometimes
> even better than the classes offered at major universities. Although since
> it is more difficult to do it this way, there may come a point in time where
> you wonder if getting a college degree is really worth it. If anyone else
> has any more ideas, I would like to know as well since it is difficult to
> work with a vocational rehabilitation agency who seems to do nothing but
> argue with you or just simply gives up on you.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
>> From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:52:33 -0500
>> Subject: [nabs-l] A friend needing help.
>>
>> Hi I have a friend who wants to know how you as students pay for college
>> when vr doesn't help?
>> Thanks for your help.
>> Rania,
>>
>>
>> "For everyone who thought I couldn't do it.
>> For everyone who thought I shouldn't do it.
>> For everyone who said, 'It's impossible."
>> See you at the finish line."
>>
>> ~Christopher Reeve
>>
>>
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 22:13:25 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:13:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A friend needing help.
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W440F6721B6D3F2FBB64FC0BAC40@phx.gbl>
References: <214718E051684999A339D5234DD08691@RainaIsmailPC>
	<COL118-W440F6721B6D3F2FBB64FC0BAC40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D47F7BC166DE4315A6F72DBEC2AEB8A0@Rufus>

Short of student loans and scholarships, I think you pretty much covered it.
You brought up an important point about college not being suited for
everyone.  It's not that college is supremely difficult, but the reality is
that some people are cut out for occupations that do not require the
academic rigor of a college education.

Joe Orozco

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:54 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A friend needing help.


If vocational rehabilitation is not willing to pay for you to 
attend college, you can always find a way to pay for it 
yourself. It may be difficult, but it can be done. Sometimes 
this may mean that you only go part time, and take classes 
based on when you can afford them rather than taking a full 
load of classes ,and graduating along with everyone else who 
begins college the same time as you. You may want to look into 
whether or not your college provides a payment plan where you 
can pay for your classes in installments rather than all at 
once. You may also want to look into attending a community 
college rather than a major university. The classes that are 
offered at a community college can be just as good as or 
sometimes even better than the classes offered at major 
universities. Although since it is more difficult to do it this 
way, there may come a point in time where you wonder if getting 
a college degree is really worth it. If anyone else has any 
more ideas, I would like to know as well since it is difficult 
to work with a vocational rehabilitation agency who seems to do 
nothing but argue with you or just simply gives up on you. 
 
Elizabeth

 
> From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:52:33 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] A friend needing help.
> 
> Hi I have a friend who wants to know how you as students pay 
for college
> when vr doesn't help?
> Thanks for your help.
> Rania,
> 
> 
> "For everyone who thought I couldn't do it.
> For everyone who thought I shouldn't do it.
> For everyone who said, 'It's impossible."
> See you at the finish line."
> 
> ~Christopher Reeve
> 
> 
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 22:39:15 2010
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:39:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] SD card probs fixed,
	now what to do with NFB Newsline in your pocket?
Message-ID: <AANLkTikN-VJNwe0yGXGWIq02wZJeH1BbKaJCPn-I9a0C@mail.gmail.com>

Well, congratulations to me, and thanks Korb and Mary for helping me
with my SD card.  Now I gotta figure out this NFB newsline in your
pocket thingy.  WHat would I do after it says my content is up to
date?  Do I have to make sure there's stuff in my victor stream folder
entitled NFB Newsline?  Or what?
Beth


From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 23:14:57 2010
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:14:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A friend needing help.
In-Reply-To: <D47F7BC166DE4315A6F72DBEC2AEB8A0@Rufus>
References: <214718E051684999A339D5234DD08691@RainaIsmailPC>
	<COL118-W440F6721B6D3F2FBB64FC0BAC40@phx.gbl>
	<D47F7BC166DE4315A6F72DBEC2AEB8A0@Rufus>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimBTQMjpNLr8T6HxoVedBYeJ5UuWjRCJNOScWlE@mail.gmail.com>

I would do all of the things listed above, but it might be a good idea
to concentrate especially hard on the scholarships.  There are a lot
of good scholarships out there.  If you perform, do community service,
or write good essays, you are assured some money.  When I was looking
at coleges I had to research scholarships, and it really paid off.
There are all kinds of scholarships for people with disabilities.  You
just have to do the research and you'll find them.  It will take a lot
of essay writing, or in my case, auditioning, but when you get those
checks it is really worth it.

On 6/22/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
> Short of student loans and scholarships, I think you pretty much covered it.
> You brought up an important point about college not being suited for
> everyone.  It's not that college is supremely difficult, but the reality is
> that some people are cut out for occupations that do not require the
> academic rigor of a college education.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:54 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A friend needing help.
>
>
> If vocational rehabilitation is not willing to pay for you to
> attend college, you can always find a way to pay for it
> yourself. It may be difficult, but it can be done. Sometimes
> this may mean that you only go part time, and take classes
> based on when you can afford them rather than taking a full
> load of classes ,and graduating along with everyone else who
> begins college the same time as you. You may want to look into
> whether or not your college provides a payment plan where you
> can pay for your classes in installments rather than all at
> once. You may also want to look into attending a community
> college rather than a major university. The classes that are
> offered at a community college can be just as good as or
> sometimes even better than the classes offered at major
> universities. Although since it is more difficult to do it this
> way, there may come a point in time where you wonder if getting
> a college degree is really worth it. If anyone else has any
> more ideas, I would like to know as well since it is difficult
> to work with a vocational rehabilitation agency who seems to do
> nothing but argue with you or just simply gives up on you.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
>> From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:52:33 -0500
>> Subject: [nabs-l] A friend needing help.
>>
>> Hi I have a friend who wants to know how you as students pay
> for college
>> when vr doesn't help?
>> Thanks for your help.
>> Rania,
>>
>>
>> "For everyone who thought I couldn't do it.
>> For everyone who thought I shouldn't do it.
>> For everyone who said, 'It's impossible."
>> See you at the finish line."
>>
>> ~Christopher Reeve
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Julie McG
 Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera
Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding
Eyes for the Blind

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
life."
John 3:16


From corbbo at gmail.com  Wed Jun 23 00:12:00 2010
From: corbbo at gmail.com (Corbb O'Connor)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:12:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SD card probs fixed,
	now what to do with NFB Newsline in your pocket?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikN-VJNwe0yGXGWIq02wZJeH1BbKaJCPn-I9a0C@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikN-VJNwe0yGXGWIq02wZJeH1BbKaJCPn-I9a0C@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F8E1699E-A819-446C-B54F-E66C63E96D41@gmail.com>

Close the NFB Newsline program (I forget what the command is, but it tells you). Then safely remove your Stream. Your newsline files are accessed in the Talking Books folder...each publication is its own book.


On Jun 22, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Beth wrote:

Well, congratulations to me, and thanks Korb and Mary for helping me
with my SD card.  Now I gotta figure out this NFB newsline in your
pocket thingy.  WHat would I do after it says my content is up to
date?  Do I have to make sure there's stuff in my victor stream folder
entitled NFB Newsline?  Or what?
Beth

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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Wed Jun 23 02:47:58 2010
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:47:58 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] SD card probs fixed,
	now what to do with NFB Newsline in 	your pocket?
In-Reply-To: <F8E1699E-A819-446C-B54F-E66C63E96D41@gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikN-VJNwe0yGXGWIq02wZJeH1BbKaJCPn-I9a0C@mail.gmail.com>
	<F8E1699E-A819-446C-B54F-E66C63E96D41@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinM-snm_PG-9IDpYTXvkbr4NcQTmVrqUK5Jw9iO@mail.gmail.com>

WHat I'm finding is that the content doesn't get loaded.  Perhaps my
favorites list was erased?  Hmmmm.
Beth

On 6/22/10, Corbb O'Connor <corbbo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Close the NFB Newsline program (I forget what the command is, but it tells
> you). Then safely remove your Stream. Your newsline files are accessed in
> the Talking Books folder...each publication is its own book.
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Beth wrote:
>
> Well, congratulations to me, and thanks Korb and Mary for helping me
> with my SD card.  Now I gotta figure out this NFB newsline in your
> pocket thingy.  WHat would I do after it says my content is up to
> date?  Do I have to make sure there's stuff in my victor stream folder
> entitled NFB Newsline?  Or what?
> Beth
>
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From trillian551 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 23 14:48:35 2010
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 10:48:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SD card probs fixed,
	now what to do with NFB Newsline in 	your pocket?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinM-snm_PG-9IDpYTXvkbr4NcQTmVrqUK5Jw9iO@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikN-VJNwe0yGXGWIq02wZJeH1BbKaJCPn-I9a0C@mail.gmail.com>
	<F8E1699E-A819-446C-B54F-E66C63E96D41@gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinM-snm_PG-9IDpYTXvkbr4NcQTmVrqUK5Jw9iO@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilbYwmld_9lQm0JWf_YW28gRrUjNY7-Tvfjc2KT@mail.gmail.com>

Yay Beth!
Good luck on the newsline thingy, I've  never used it from my stream,
and my stream is currently out of service, so I can't play with it and
help!
Enjoy!
Mary


On 6/22/10, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> WHat I'm finding is that the content doesn't get loaded.  Perhaps my
> favorites list was erased?  Hmmmm.
> Beth
>
> On 6/22/10, Corbb O'Connor <corbbo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Close the NFB Newsline program (I forget what the command is, but it tells
>> you). Then safely remove your Stream. Your newsline files are accessed in
>> the Talking Books folder...each publication is its own book.
>>
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Beth wrote:
>>
>> Well, congratulations to me, and thanks Korb and Mary for helping me
>> with my SD card.  Now I gotta figure out this NFB newsline in your
>> pocket thingy.  WHat would I do after it says my content is up to
>> date?  Do I have to make sure there's stuff in my victor stream folder
>> entitled NFB Newsline?  Or what?
>> Beth
>>
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Emory University 2012
P.O. Box 123056
Atlanta Ga.
30322
Phone: 732-857-7004
"Books are the quietest and most constant of friends; they are the
most accessible and wisest of counselors, and the most patient of
teachers."
Charles W. Eliot


From cumbiambera2005 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 23 15:31:51 2010
From: cumbiambera2005 at gmail.com (Ashley)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 10:31:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Need Assistance Booking Shuttle For Convention
Message-ID: <AANLkTinHvkstkjVTZKHZQo6LwowDdq525udbxrbmfMAB@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Nabsters,
I am unclear as to how this shuttle thing works, so would someone
kindly do me a favor and explain what I'm supposed to do? I didn't
quite understand the booking page, so any help would be greatly
appreciated.


From pyyhkala at gmail.com  Wed Jun 23 15:47:36 2010
From: pyyhkala at gmail.com (Mika Pyyhkala)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 11:47:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation History
In-Reply-To: <E00159A9-4B91-4A03-A92F-3BCEEB271AC5@gmail.com>
References: <20100527095834.2835.26299@web3>
	<E00159A9-4B91-4A03-A92F-3BCEEB271AC5@gmail.com>
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(story below of being asked to leave a plane due to a safety breifing issue)

I don't think the blind should be categorically denied access to the
exit rows, and I agree with Steve Jacobson's comments.  It would be
interesting to talk with Steve about his experiences in the 80's and
90's.

The airline and exit row issue was one of the main things that got me
interested in the NFB.

There is another less known about rule that was adopted by the FAA
initially at the same time that the initial ACAA Part 382 regulations
were adopted by DOT.  This little known about rule concerns certain
requirements that could imply that a blind person must receive an
individual safety briefing, on top of the general safety briefing that
is issued to all passengers.

We in the federation object to any sort of requirement that the blind
be subjected to some sort of additional compulsory safety briefing on
the basis of blindness.  If a blind person believes some kind of extra
breifing would be helpful to them, they can request it.  However, the
blind should not be required to receive an extra briefing soley based
on blindness.

Imagine if you will, if a blind person flew 3 times per week.  Believe
it or not, there are people that fly 3 times per week.  If you look at
this safety briefing notion, imagine then that in theory the blind
person that flys three times per week would have to receive some kind
of "extra" "special" briefing that nobody else is required to receive.
 In fact,  the blind person that flys three times per week most likely
knows the particulars of the aircraft more than 95% of travelers.  It
is completely arbitrary and capricious to require blind people to
receive these special briefings soley based on ones blindness.

This discussion is also not just an academic one, or one just about
theories and philosophy, or some kind of table top exercise.

I fly on average about 2 to 4 times a month.  Fortunately, usually,
there is not a major issue with the safety briefings.

However, I took a flight on Monday June 21st where initially
immediately when I boarded, the flight attendant indicated that I
would have to receive a special briefing.  Where as with other
passengers, the flight attendants greeted them as they boarded, I was
initially "greeted," with the noted statement.

I told the flight attendant repeatedly that I did not want or need a
"special briefing," and he kept insisting that his manual said that he
was required by the FAA to provide such a breifing.

I asked for a CRO, Complaint Resolution Official, and then at least 1
agent and 2 supervisors became involved.

The agents and supervisors told the flight attendant that I was a
frequent flyer, and didn't needd a "special breifing."

Then one of the agents said that they would volunteer to fly on the
flight with me if this would make the flight attendant feel more
comfortable.  I told them that while this may have been well intended,
that it was not a good or solid solution to the problem.  I told them
I still wanted to speak to a CRO myself.

Now mind you all this was going on in the middle of a moderately full
flight, and again, at this point I was in my seat.

Then a CRO came to my seat, and said that I was to take my things and
come with her off the plane, and that they were going to rebook me on
another flight.  I asked her if they were going to compensate me, and
she said absolutely they would compensate me.  She did actually do
this in pretty much as quiet and as discretely a way as she could
have.

I don't know exactly what they would have done if I were to have told
them I was not going to get off the plane.  However, several of our
brothers and sisters in the NFB do have stories of telling "them" that
they would not get off the plane.

I chose to get off the plane because the flight attendant made me feel
uncomfortable and unwelcome, because I was confident these gate agents
were in fact going to do whatever they could do to help me, and
because in some wayys I did not want to find out what would happen if
I told them I would not get off.  But in other ways, I was curious
about it.

You have to remember also that, the way these FAA and DOT regulations
are written, because NFB did not get what we wanted, there may be
something the airline and flight attendant could use to try to say
that we qre required to receive the special briefing.  I am
researching the particulars of the applicable regulations.

Once we got off the plane, I told the gate agents I wanted them to
rebook me on another airline to a city closer to where I was going,
and they obliged without any objections or fuss or trouble.

Also for my compensation they issued a roundtrip flight voucher which
is this carriers usual compensation for a denied boarding situation.
Again they issued the compensation without any fuss or difficulty.

The next day, on my return flight, I ran in to the supervisor who had
asked me to leave the plane.  She said that they were going to have a
conference call with the station managers, the flight attendants duty
manager, and others and that likely "some action will be taken against
the flight attendant."

The CRO supervisor had the wherewithall to say that while the "manual"
might say that you always brief a blind passenger separately, that no
manual can account for every individual situation.

In conclusion it also really occurs to me that most blind people need
to learn more about the nuts and bolts of how airlines work, how to
deal with CRO's, etc.  The stories I hear are just crazy, eg, blind
people saying they were required to use a wheelchair or other odd
things.

If you  learn how the airlines work, learn how to work with your CRO,
if they get to know you at the airport, you really often can have a
good experience.

Working with a CRO, as I described it in an email yesterday to my
sister, is sort of a dance of carrots and sticks and give and take.

In general, the law does not require the airline or the CRO to make
your travel more comfortable, pleasant or for them to compensate you
or really work with you.  The regulations have a lot of requirements,
but a lot of them are administrative.  And if any dollars are to be
paid out, its usually fines a carrier would pay to the government.
That said, if the CRO wants to help you, they really can do a lot for
you, but again typically they aren't required too.  If they wanted to
make your life miserable, they could do that too...this would be
especially rellevant if you are a very frequent flyer.

There is also nothing to say you as the passenger have to make life
easy for the airline.  Your free to file a DOT complaint whenever they
screw up.  Almost always if a situation escallates to the point of
needing a CRO, they will screw up on some technicality of the
regulation and usually more than one.  When you file a compalint with
DOT it gets tagged against the carrier, and DOT completes an
investigation similar to that of when a member of congress makes an
inquiry to the agency.  Its a lot of paperwork for the airline and for
DOT, and there are very specific ways they have to handle the
complaint.  That said, if your satisfied that the CRO resolved an
issue for you, you don't have to file a DOT complaint.

Hopefully this gives people a few things to think about.  And we
really should do a seminar on how to deal with the airlines on a
really practical in the field sense and not just in theory.  We should
have some very frequent flyers and maybe a real CRO put the seminar
on.

Best,
Mika













On 5/27/10, Briley Pollard <brileyp at gmail.com> wrote:
> It is also important to note that everyone else who sits in those seats is
> only instructed to give it up if they "feel they are not willing or able to
> complete these tasks." Why should we not be permitted to use our own
> judgment on this matter? We should have to prove it to someone else? I
> should think not.
>
> Briley
> On May 27, 2010, at 4:58 AM, Jedi wrote:
>
>> Antonio,
>>
>> It's kind of ridiculous that I should have to prove my capacity to open
>> the door to anyone much less you when sighted people don't have to. That's
>> the issue, isn't it? As you have already stated, there's no guarantee that
>> all sighted people are truly capable of opening the door, but it's enough
>> to know that they believe they can by virtue of the intelligence to figure
>> it out. Lest anyone think that a sighted person would be able to figure
>> out how to open the door by means of reading visual instructions, I should
>> point out that not all sighted people can understand diagrams of that sort
>> much less utilize them. Just a thought. If the cabin is dark or smoky,
>> visual instructions won't help anyone.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> Jedi
>>
>> Original message:
>>> Hi,
>>
>>> Jedi, I wonder how you find yourself more capable to open the door, and
>>> the
>>> slide ramp better than many people you know if you haven't actually had
>>> the
>>> experience of, thus the ability to learn to deal with the equipment
>>> before.
>>
>>> Just as there are capable, and not so capable sighted people, many of
>>> whom
>>> can not open the door and the slide, there are many blind people who are
>>> not
>>> capable of performing the duties.
>>
>>> I for one don't mind, and don't care to sit in exit sitting, as long as I
>>> can sit in a place more or less determined by me. That would mean I would
>>> not choose to sit in a bulk head seat.
>>
>>> If the airline can pre-screen for likely liabilities, IE. blind passenger
>>> who can't see the handle for the ramp, they will. And if I can be seated
>>> in
>>> a reasonable fashion, and get to my destination without snag, I am fine,
>>> and
>>> feel treated fairly for the services the airline offers.
>>
>>
>>> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.
>>
>>> Student, Western Governors University
>>> (617) 744-9716
>>> Eastern time zone
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation History
>>
>>
>>>> You make some very good points here.  I don't think that some are
>>>> realizing how little is really expected of most people who choose to sit
>>>> in an exit row.  One thing I
>>>> forgot to mention when I was writing about why we were as upset as we
>>>> were
>>>> about exit rows in the 80's is that there was a policy considered that
>>>> would have not
>>>> only prohibited us from sitting in exit rows, we would also have been
>>>> prohibited from the row in front of or behind an exit row.  That would
>>>> have excluded us from
>>>> quite a number of seats on some planes.
>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>
>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>>>> On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:24:46 -0400, Jedi wrote:
>>
>>>>> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE read Walking Alone and Marching Together! Peter
>>>>> can't have given a better suggestion!
>>
>>>>> Unfortunately folks, this is exactly the press that makes airlines
>>>>> think we can't do for ourselves thus asking us not to sit in emergency
>>>>> exits, asking us to preboard, asking us to deplane after everyone else,
>>>>> and altogether treating us as though we can't handle ourselves. For
>>>>> those who think the emergency exit row thing is not such a big deal and
>>>>> worth fighting over, let me remind you that a person as young as
>>>>> fifteen can sit there, a person served alcohol (either before boarding
>>>>> or on the plane) can sit there, and anyone who judges themselves (with
>>>>> the exceptions of the deaf, the blind, the non-English speaking, and
>>>>> the otherwise visibly disabled) can sit there. So basically, we're less
>>>>> competent, in the opinion of FFA, than a fifteen-year-old or a drunk.
>>>>> Others are allowed to judge their fitness for sitting there, but we
>>>>> cannot. Is that worth fighting about? Absolutely! Unfortunately, how
>>>>> society thinks of us in this context is very indicative of how society
>>>>> thinks of us in others. This might sound harsh, but it's unfortunately
>>>>> quite true. The bottom line here is that blind people are treated
>>>>> arbitrarily based on someone else's opinion of what we can do versus
>>>>> our own. Arbitrary treatment of this kind is not limited to disability
>>>>> in our past, but has also been used to separate People of Color from
>>>>> White folks back in the day and even now to an often invisible extent.
>>>>> That's why Federationists fought. Unfortunately, we did lose that
>>>>> battle, but that doesn't mean that we won't reserect it someday. I hope
>>>>> we do as I consider myself more capable of opening that exit than many
>>>>> sighted persons I know.
>>
>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>> Jedi
>>
>>
>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>> Hello Peter,
>>
>>>>>> I must say that NFB's issues with the airlines are an excellent
>>>>>> example
>>>>>> of the need to pick battles one can actually win.
>>
>>>>>> It is my thought that the fight over the exit row was ridiculous.
>>
>>>>>> There's only one case where it might be a legitimate issue. That would
>>>>>> be if it resulted in a blind person actually being denied the trip.
>>
>>>>>> If the blind person can be reseated or a sighted one is voluntarily
>>>>>> bumped in order to secure the blind person's equal rights in the case
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> a packed flight, then the matter is resolved IMHO.
>>
>>
>>>>>> On 5/16/2010 11:50 AM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello Briley and everyone,
>>
>>>>>>>     If people would take the time to read Walking Alone and Marching
>>>>>>> Together they would learn of the federation's long struggle to secure
>>>>>>> equal
>>>>>>> access for the blind in air travel. It is a history filled with the
>>>>>>> kind of
>>>>>>> publicity and dribble that can result from incidents like this one,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>> much more. Blind people had their canes taken away from them by
>>>>>>> airline
>>>>>>> personnel, were told they couldn't sit in seat rows other than the
>>>>>>> bulkhead
>>>>>>> if they used a guide dog, were told they needed to preboard and
>>>>>>> post-board,
>>>>>>> the list goes on. Read past issues of The Braille Monitor from the
>>>>>>> late
>>>>>>> 1980s and the early 1990s to get an idea of the kind of
>>>>>>> discrimination
>>>>>>> heaped on blind air passengers and why today we must still be on our
>>>>>>> guard
>>>>>>> when stories of this kind hit the media. Blind people were arrested
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> physically removed from planes and went to jail for doing nothing
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> demanding to be treated like other passengers.
>>
>>>>>>>     We successfully closed down a US Airways ticket counter for
>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>> hours due to their demanding a blind person move from an emergency
>>>>>>> exit
>>>>>>> row;
>>>>>>> a seat he was assigned in the first place. The NFB held several
>>>>>>> protest
>>>>>>> against the FAA and the DOT due to their unwillingness to take a hand
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> remedying the discriminatory treatment we experienced at the hands of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> airlines and still do. I know because I took part in several of these
>>>>>>> activities.
>>>>>>> Other types of air passengers now experience similar treatment. Large
>>>>>>> passengers are an example. The NFB can teach the flying public a
>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> two about fighting the horrible treatment now experienced all too
>>>>>>> often.
>>>>>>> They just need to learn to stop, as Dr. Maurer put it in 1986,
>>>>>>> "Sitting
>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>> and shutting up!"We as federationists need to remember these
>>>>>>> struggles
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> not take the freedom of travel we now have for granted. These
>>>>>>> nabsters
>>>>>>> aren't just squealing over nothing but are remembering our past and
>>>>>>> upholding our legacy of collective action by reacting the way they
>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>> All
>>>>>>> the best.
>>
>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Briley Pollard"<brileyp at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 9:39 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Members] Airline apologizes for
>>>>>>> forgetting
>>>>>>> blindteen
>>
>>
>>>>>>> Valory,
>>
>>>>>>> Again, the reason this is upsetting is A, this girl, (from the way it
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> portrayed), isn't comfortable enough with herself to stand up for her
>>>>>>> rights, and B, (the biggest issue), how we're portrayed in the media.
>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>> is said about one of us is perceived to be a definition of all of us.
>>>>>>> Media
>>>>>>> coverage of us is so often negative and condescending, and yes, it
>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>> upset me, and yes it does push me to speak up about how this is not
>>>>>>> acceptable.
>>
>>>>>>> Briley
>>
>>
>>>>>>> On May 15, 2010, at 10:15 PM, Valerie Gibson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>>>> I agree.  Seems to quick to point out someone else's fault and
>>>>>>>> become
>>>>>>>> indignant for all over one person's actions.
>>
>>>>>>>> There's just not enough imformation in the article to make such
>>>>>>>> judgement
>>>>>>>> calls.  We can only say what we would do in that situation, and
>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> don't know this girl's background or mental capabilities it seems
>>>>>>>> unfair
>>>>>>>> to point fingers.
>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps she did not know that there are organisations like the NFB
>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>> could help her. Perhaps she has been told all of her life that she
>>>>>>>> needs
>>>>>>>> sighted help in everything.
>>
>>>>>>>> We've all been in a position where we did not know how to do things,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> judging that you have found this mailing list, you've found the NFB
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> well as a sense of endependance.   Not everyone has done so.
>>
>>>>>>>> Does it look bad for the blind community? Yes.
>>
>>>>>>>> But how's this for a solution: try and find this girl and tell her
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> there are places where she can learn a bit of independance.
>>
>>>>>>>> On May 15, 2010, at 8:33 PM, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello Sarah and all,
>>
>>>>>>>>> I think we may want to exercise care before judging this situation
>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>> quickly.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Many times while traveling by air, flight attendants have asked
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> wait until the plane has emptied before leaving. Sometimes I do
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> sometimes I don't.
>>
>>>>>>>>> If Jessica were asked to wait, then she were forgotten, then she
>>>>>>>>> certainly does have a very legitimate complaint here.
>>
>>>>>>>>> We also need to keep in mind that members of the blind community
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> wide ranging capabilities and other disabilities with which they
>>>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>>>> cope.
>>
>>>>>>>>> As always, this just comes down to the fact we all must exercise
>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>> due
>>>>>>>>> diligence while performing our jobs to avoid problems of this sort.
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2010 4:19 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think she should have gotten off the plain by her self. How hard
>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>> that be? just  get off and turn right and go up the ramp thing and
>>>>>>>>>> turn
>>>>>>>>>> left and get out and then wait for your escort. but here's the
>>>>>>>>>> story.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Airline apologizes for forgetting blind teen
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Edmonton Journal , May 15, 2010
>>
>>>>>>>>>> United Airlines has apologized to a blind woman from Vancouver
>>>>>>>>>> Island
>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>> was abandoned on an empty plane in Chicago.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jessica Cabot of Courtenay, B.C., made headlines this week after
>>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>> went
>>>>>>>>>> public about being forgotten in an empty United Airlines plane on
>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>> April 7
>>>>>>>>>> stopover in Chicago.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> The 18-year-old was waiting for flight attendants to escort her to
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> connecting flight to Florida when she heard the plane door seal
>>>>>>>>>> shut.
>>>>>>>>>> Ten
>>>>>>>>>> minutes later two maintenance staff happened to find her on an
>>>>>>>>>> unscheduled
>>>>>>>>>> check of the plane.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> She panicked in the plane, calling for help.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> After a series of complaints, Cabot received a $250 airline
>>>>>>>>>> voucher
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> promise of an apology. Five weeks after her flight and a series of
>>>>>>>>>> news
>>>>>>>>>> stories later, she finally got one.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> "They just called," said Cabot, on the phone from Jacksonville,
>>>>>>>>>> Fla.,
>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>> she is visiting her fiance. "I can't even count how many times
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>> sorry."
>>
>>
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From cowboy0210 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 23 15:56:26 2010
From: cowboy0210 at gmail.com (Kevin Ledford)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 09:56:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Need Assistance Booking Shuttle For Convention
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From: angelawolf at austin.rr.com

To: nfbaffiliatepresidents at nfbnet.org; members at nfb-texas.org
chapter-presidents at nfbnet.org

Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 13:51:26 -0500

Subject: [NFBAffiliatePresidents] Discount for Super Shuttle for National
Convention



Hello All:

The NFB of Texas has made arrangements with Super Shuttle for a convention
rate from the Dallas Fortworth airport and the Dallas Love Field airport to
the hotel for the convention this summer.

Please see the information below .





https://www.supershuttle.com/GroupRez/TripDetails.aspx?GC=ZHDX7



Attendees will receive the rates of $14 one way or $26 roundtrip when either
booking online or by calling 1-800-258-3826 and referencing group code:
ZHDX7



We look forward to everyone coming to Texas!



Sincerely,



Angela Wolf, President
National Federation of the Blind of Texas

On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Ashley <cumbiambera2005 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Nabsters,
> I am unclear as to how this shuttle thing works, so would someone
> kindly do me a favor and explain what I'm supposed to do? I didn't
> quite understand the booking page, so any help would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Wed Jun 23 16:50:17 2010
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 10:50:17 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] SD card probs fixed,
	now what to do with NFB Newsline in 	your pocket?
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Even better news: I figured out how to put stuff on my SD card from
NFB Newsline.
Beth

On 6/23/10, Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yay Beth!
> Good luck on the newsline thingy, I've  never used it from my stream,
> and my stream is currently out of service, so I can't play with it and
> help!
> Enjoy!
> Mary
>
>
> On 6/22/10, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>> WHat I'm finding is that the content doesn't get loaded.  Perhaps my
>> favorites list was erased?  Hmmmm.
>> Beth
>>
>> On 6/22/10, Corbb O'Connor <corbbo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Close the NFB Newsline program (I forget what the command is, but it
>>> tells
>>> you). Then safely remove your Stream. Your newsline files are accessed in
>>> the Talking Books folder...each publication is its own book.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 22, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Beth wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, congratulations to me, and thanks Korb and Mary for helping me
>>> with my SD card.  Now I gotta figure out this NFB newsline in your
>>> pocket thingy.  WHat would I do after it says my content is up to
>>> date?  Do I have to make sure there's stuff in my victor stream folder
>>> entitled NFB Newsline?  Or what?
>>> Beth
>>>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Jun 23 19:58:20 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 14:58:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Announcement: Walt Disney World Unveils New Outdoor
 Audio Description Produced by WGBH
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>From: Mary Watkins <mary_watkins at wgbh.org>
>
>Disney Unveils First-of-its-Kind Outdoor Audio 
>Description Technology for Guests with Disabilities
>
>National Association of Professional Engineers 
>Names Handheld Assistive Technology Device "New Product of the Year"
>
>LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla., June 22, 2010 – 
>Beginning June 27, guests with visual 
>disabilities will be able to explore Walt Disney 
>World theme parks in a whole new way through an 
>enhanced Disney-designed device that provides 
>detailed audio description of outdoor areas and 
>fits in the palm of a guest's hand.
>
>"Disney Parks have long been at the forefront of 
>providing accessibility for guests with 
>disabilities," said Greg Hale, chief safety 
>officer and vice president of Worldwide Safety 
>and Accessibility for Walt Disney Parks & 
>Resorts. "We are pleased to build on this legacy 
>with new technology that enables us to do 
>something that has never been done before – 
>provide rich audio description in moving rides and outdoor environments."
>
>Link to a demo of the outdoor environment audio description:
><http://ncamftp.wgbh.org/disneyareadx/MK_AreaDX_Demo_Short.html>http://ncamftp.wgbh.org/disneyareadx/MK_AreaDX_Demo_Short.html
>
>Via an interactive audio menu, the newly 
>enhanced Assistive Technology Device lets guests 
>choose the type of information they would like 
>to receive about outdoor areas, from 
>architectural elements to the location of the 
>nearest restroom. The 7.2-ounce device, which 
>utilizes wireless technology to pinpoint its 
>location and take pre-programmed actions also 
>offers guests at Walt Disney World Resort and Disneyland Resort:
>
>    * Detailed audio description of key visual 
> elements, including action and scenery, for more than 50 attractions;
>    * Amplified audio for most theater-type 
> attractions for guests with mild to moderate hearing loss;
>    * Handheld captioning that enables guests to 
> read captions while enjoying specific rides; and
>    * Activation of closed captioning in 
> pre-show areas where television displays narrate the upcoming experience.
>
>
>"I know of no other public space in this country 
>– or anywhere else for that matter – that is as 
>welcoming and accessible to people with 
>disabilities as Disney’s theme parks," said 
>Larry Goldberg, director of media access at WGBH 
>Boston, which is considered a pioneer in 
>developing multimedia and new technologies that 
>make media accessible for the disabled. "With 
>their captioning systems for guests who are deaf 
>or hard-of-hearing and now outdoor environmental 
>description for guests who are blind or visually 
>impaired, Walt Disney World is now more 
>inclusive than ever. WGBH is proud of our role in helping make this happen."
>
>WGBH teamed up with Disney to deliver outdoor 
>audio description, marking the latest 
>collaboration between the two organizations, 
>which began with the installation of WGBH's Rear 
>Window® Captioning system in Disney's theater-based attractions in1996.
>
>Disney has patented and licensed the assistive 
>technology, which could serve a wide variety of 
>retail, commercial and industrial applications. 
>The technology is already being used at the 
>World of Coca Cola Museum, The Hall at Patriot 
>Place and the Dallas Cowboys Stadium and will 
>receive the National Society of Professional 
>Engineers 2010 "New Product Award" next month.
>
>"We are particularly excited to make this 
>technology available beyond Disney Parks and 
>extend accessibility where it was previously 
>impractical," added Hale. Softeq Development 
>Corporation is licensed to make the technology available beyond Disney Parks.
>
>Other examples of Disney Parks' services for guests with disabilities include:
>
>    * Accessible Experiences – From vehicles at 
> Toy Story Midway Mania! that enable guests to 
> remain in their wheelchair during the ride to 
> American Sign Language interpretation at live 
> shows, the focus is on providing accessible experiences.
>    * Recreation Devices – Specially designed 
> vehicles, such as an adaptive golf cart and 
> sand and aquatic wheelchairs, enable guests to 
> experience leisure activities throughout the resort.
>    * Guide maps for Guests with Disabilities – 
> Theme park-specific maps provide an overview of 
> services and facilities available for guests 
> with disabilities. Braille guidebooks are also 
> available to assist guests during their visit.
>    * Resort Access – Resort hotels at Walt 
> Disney World Resort offer special equipment and 
> facilities for guests with disabilities such as 
> phone text, visual indicator door knocks and sloped-entry pools.
>
>
>The Handheld Assistive Device is offered at no 
>cost with a refundable deposit at Walt Disney 
>World Resort and Disneyland Resort theme parks. 
>Audio description of outdoor areas will be 
>available at Disneyland Resort next year. For 
>further information about services for guests 
>with disabilities, guests should visit the Walt 
>Disney World Web site at disneyworld.com 
><<http://www.disneyworld.com/>http://www.disneyworld.com/> 
>or contact Walt Disney World Information at 
>407-824-4321 (voice) or 407-827-5141 (TTY).
>
>*U.S. Patents 6,785,539 and 7,224,967 may apply.
>
>Media Contact: Zoraya Suarez, Walt Disney World 
>Manager of Media Relations, 407-828-3814.
>WGBH Media Contact:  Mary Watkins, 
><mary_watkins at wgbh.htm>mary_watkins at wgbh.org, 617-300-3700
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From ginisd at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun 24 05:54:40 2010
From: ginisd at sbcglobal.net (V Nork)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 22:54:40 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [real-eyes] Article from Business Week: "How Tech for
	the Disabled is going Mainstream"
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To: real-eyes at freelists.org
Subject: [real-eyes] Article from Business Week: "How Tech for the Disabled
is going Mainstream"

Hello list, I am passing along this article from Business week on universal
design, it is about nine months old.  It is really encouraging to see this
kind of article in a mass market publication like Business week.  Also, I
had never heard of Mind Flex.  Best, Ginny
 

The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc., All rights reserved. http://
www.mcgraw-hill.com

 

 

Apple is widely celebrated for making devices as easy to use as they are
elegantly designed. What customers probably don't know is that some of these
features aren't exactly new--they evolved from software Apple created to
help disabled people use PCs. Among them: the new iPhone's voice control
option, which allows users to speak to their handsets to prompt an action,
such as calling Mom, or to get a spoken answer to such questions as "What
song is playing?"

 

And "mainstreaming" tools for the disabled is spreading. Software developer
Nuance Communications, for instance, invented voice command technology to
help people who are unable to type on a computer. Today, the company's
algorithms are used in products ranging from Amazon.com's latest Kindle
e-reader to cars from Ford Motor. Meantime, Mattel is incorporating
technology, initially intended to help paraplegics, into a
soon-to-be-released game controlled by players' brainwaves.

 

Other companies should consider following these trailblazers, say innovation
consultants. "Companies could look at designing for accessibility as a sales
opportunity. Most features that are accessible for the disabled have great
value to everybody," says Donald A. Norman, a former Apple vice-president
for advanced technology who heads a joint business and engineering program
at Northwestern University.

 

BENEFITS FOR THE BLIND

 

Mainstreaming has a long history. Thomas Edison saw his invention of the
phonograph as a way to open the printed world to the blind by recording book
readings. More recently, predictive-text software, the algorithms that
finish words people type in search engines or e-mail, had its roots in
technology geared to the disabled, according to patents filed for related
programs.

 

Apple's VoiceOver feature can be traced back to the late 1980s, says Norman,
when the computer maker decided to try to embed "universal access" in its
Macintosh PC line. The term is used in engineering and design circles to
describe goods, from scissors to cell phones, made in such a way that people
of any age or physical ability can use them. VoiceOver became a standard
feature of Apple computers in 2006. When it's activated, the Mac reads
everything highlighted by the cursor, from text on a Web page to numbers in
a database, in a natural-sounding voice.

 

While VoiceOver helped broaden Apple's reach to the blind, it also became a
mini-engine for innovation within the company. "When we created the
VoiceOver idea and concept for the Mac, we also realized we could take
advantage of it by mainstreaming it," says Greg Joswiak, Apple's
vice-president for iPod and iPhone marketing.

 

Now the technology has made its way into the iPod Shuffle. Unlike its larger
brethren, the Shuffle is too small to have a screen to display information
about its music content. The latest model, introduced last March, gets
around this shortcoming with software that can say what song is playing.
Sales were 51% higher in the new Shuffle's first week than they were for the
previous model's debut, says Barclays Capital analyst Benjamin Reitzes. The
low $79 price undoubtedly was part of the reason. But many users raved
online about the voice interface, indicating that the feature helped
popularize the music player, too.

 

Apple added a reverse version of VoiceOver to its third-generation iPhone,
released in June, that enables users to tell the phone to perform functions
rather than type commands. That permits hands-free use of the smartphone and
makes the device functional for people with visual and other physical
handicaps, as well as for motorists. "Some customers need assistive
technologies, and other people want convenience," says Joswiak. "We try to
solve problems for the disabled community, then we drive the solutions into
the mainstream, to let everyone take advantage of them."

 

The rising demand for devices that can speak and be spoken to has been a
boon for Nuance Communications. The Burlington (Mass.) company supplies
voice control software for a growing number of products, from its Dragon
NaturallySpeaking speech recognition software for PCs to hands-free voice
dialing for phones from Nokia, Samsung, LG Electronics, and BlackBerry maker
Research in Motion. Through a joint Ford-Microsoft venture called Sync,
Nuance also provides voice command capabilities in top-selling GPS
navigation devices, such as Garmin and TomTom, as well as in Ford, Lincoln,
and Mercury vehicles.

 

"While the disabled aren't a significant percentage of our users today, they
are our biggest power users," says Peter Mahoney, general manager of
Nuance's Dragon unit. "They help us push the envelope" when it comes to
improving products for mass-market customers.

 

Other companies are borrowing technology that aids the deaf. At Google, a
deaf software engineer, Ken Harrenstein, spearheaded the creation of a
captioning tool for videos posted on Google's YouTube site. His original
intention was to help deaf users. But the company soon figured out the
software could also help translate languages. That idea led in late 2008 to
an auto-translation tool that allows people to add captions in 50 languages
instantly to YouTube videos they upload, increasing the number of people who
can watch and understand the clips.

 

MIND CONTROL

 

Mattel is taking mainstreaming into the toy market. In October it plans to
release Mindflex, an $80 game that borrows from technology used by severely
disabled people to control electronic devices by channeling brainwaves via
sensors. Mattel has licensed the toy's brainwave-harvesting technology from
a San Jose company called NeuroSky. To play, users put on a headband with
sensors. By focusing their thoughts on motion, they can cause a motor to
propel small plastic balls through a tabletop obstacle course. When they
relax, the objects stop moving.

 

Mattel is betting that the technology will become the basis for a line of
mind- controlled physical games like Mindflex, opening up a new category for
the toy industry, says Geoff Walker, a senior marketing vice-president at
the El Segundo (Calif.) company.

 

As pioneers boost sales by incorporating technology once confined to
products for the handicapped, other companies are sure to follow. They could
come out ahead, says Tim Bajarin, president of technology consultancy
Creative Strategies in Campbell, Calif. "It's smart, because there is an
aging population that will need easier-to-use tech. It's even smarter to
follow Apple's lead--and then call these features out and get people's
attention. Then it becomes a competitive advantage."

 

[Table]

 

MORE APPLICATIONS THAN FIRST IMAGINED

 

COMPANY             PRODUCT,            TECHNOLOGY FOR      MASS-MARKET

 

RELEASE DATE        THE DISABLED        APPLICATION

 

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From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 24 13:24:19 2010
From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 06:24:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] A friend needing help.
Message-ID: <859181.78074.qm@web53806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I basically agree with everything that has been said. However, remember the disision of the VR counsolor can be apealed to their boss and if necessary it can be apealed all the way to the director. This certainly should not be the first option, but sometimes thats what must be done and 
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller


--- On Tue, 6/22/10, Anjelina <anjelinac26 at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Anjelina <anjelinac26 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A friend needing help.
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2010, 4:57 PM
> If VR wasn't an option I'd rely on
> applying for scholarships, financial aid, working part-time
> or student loans. Even with the assistance from VR I've had
> to use a few of the above resources.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rania " <raniaismail04 at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:52 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] A friend needing help.
> 
> 
> > Hi I have a friend who wants to know how you as
> students pay for college
> > when vr doesn't help?
> > Thanks for your help.
> > Rania,
> > 
> > 
> > "For everyone who thought I couldn't do it.
> > For everyone who thought I shouldn't do it.
> > For everyone who said, 'It's impossible."
> > See you at the finish line."
> > 
> > ~Christopher Reeve
> > 
> > 
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From herekittykat2 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 20:34:10 2010
From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:34:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS problem
Message-ID: <AANLkTimoXMkXwk30wxThQ0n4IC1Tn8SENqDmv2GhBV6u@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys,

I wasn't sure who to ask this, so I figured I might ask it here. I seem to
be having a problem with JAWS and Internet Explorer. On the internet,
hitting a hotkey says the letter but does not do the function. Does anyone
know what might cause this?

I use Windows XP, JAWS 10.0, and IE 7.0 (I think? I updated to 8.0, but it
was a pain, so uninstalled that).) It was working before, but after I
updated to IE 8, it was weird, and it is still weird. No hotkeys. I can use
the CTRL hot keys, like CTRL + O for opening and CTRL + F for Finding, but
not H for Heading, E for Edit Form, U and V for links, etc.

Anyone have ideas or know what to try? It's soooo annoying!

~Jewel

From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 24 13:52:58 2010
From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 06:52:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation History
Message-ID: <547556.52904.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I completely agree with what Mika and Briley have said.
I
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller


--- On Wed, 6/23/10, Mika Pyyhkala <pyyhkala at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Mika Pyyhkala <pyyhkala at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation History
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 10:47 AM
> (story below of being asked to leave
> a plane due to a safety breifing issue)
> 
> I don't think the blind should be categorically denied
> access to the
> exit rows, and I agree with Steve Jacobson's
> comments.  It would be
> interesting to talk with Steve about his experiences in the
> 80's and
> 90's.
> 
> The airline and exit row issue was one of the main things
> that got me
> interested in the NFB.
> 
> There is another less known about rule that was adopted by
> the FAA
> initially at the same time that the initial ACAA Part 382
> regulations
> were adopted by DOT.  This little known about rule
> concerns certain
> requirements that could imply that a blind person must
> receive an
> individual safety briefing, on top of the general safety
> briefing that
> is issued to all passengers.
> 
> We in the federation object to any sort of requirement that
> the blind
> be subjected to some sort of additional compulsory safety
> briefing on
> the basis of blindness.  If a blind person believes
> some kind of extra
> breifing would be helpful to them, they can request
> it.  However, the
> blind should not be required to receive an extra briefing
> soley based
> on blindness.
> 
> Imagine if you will, if a blind person flew 3 times per
> week.  Believe
> it or not, there are people that fly 3 times per
> week.  If you look at
> this safety briefing notion, imagine then that in theory
> the blind
> person that flys three times per week would have to receive
> some kind
> of "extra" "special" briefing that nobody else is required
> to receive.
>  In fact,  the blind person that flys three times per
> week most likely
> knows the particulars of the aircraft more than 95% of
> travelers.  It
> is completely arbitrary and capricious to require blind
> people to
> receive these special briefings soley based on ones
> blindness.
> 
> This discussion is also not just an academic one, or one
> just about
> theories and philosophy, or some kind of table top
> exercise.
> 
> I fly on average about 2 to 4 times a month. 
> Fortunately, usually,
> there is not a major issue with the safety briefings.
> 
> However, I took a flight on Monday June 21st where
> initially
> immediately when I boarded, the flight attendant indicated
> that I
> would have to receive a special briefing.  Where as
> with other
> passengers, the flight attendants greeted them as they
> boarded, I was
> initially "greeted," with the noted statement.
> 
> I told the flight attendant repeatedly that I did not want
> or need a
> "special briefing," and he kept insisting that his manual
> said that he
> was required by the FAA to provide such a breifing.
> 
> I asked for a CRO, Complaint Resolution Official, and then
> at least 1
> agent and 2 supervisors became involved.
> 
> The agents and supervisors told the flight attendant that I
> was a
> frequent flyer, and didn't needd a "special breifing."
> 
> Then one of the agents said that they would volunteer to
> fly on the
> flight with me if this would make the flight attendant feel
> more
> comfortable.  I told them that while this may have
> been well intended,
> that it was not a good or solid solution to the
> problem.  I told them
> I still wanted to speak to a CRO myself.
> 
> Now mind you all this was going on in the middle of a
> moderately full
> flight, and again, at this point I was in my seat.
> 
> Then a CRO came to my seat, and said that I was to take my
> things and
> come with her off the plane, and that they were going to
> rebook me on
> another flight.  I asked her if they were going to
> compensate me, and
> she said absolutely they would compensate me.  She did
> actually do
> this in pretty much as quiet and as discretely a way as she
> could
> have.
> 
> I don't know exactly what they would have done if I were to
> have told
> them I was not going to get off the plane.  However,
> several of our
> brothers and sisters in the NFB do have stories of telling
> "them" that
> they would not get off the plane.
> 
> I chose to get off the plane because the flight attendant
> made me feel
> uncomfortable and unwelcome, because I was confident these
> gate agents
> were in fact going to do whatever they could do to help me,
> and
> because in some wayys I did not want to find out what would
> happen if
> I told them I would not get off.  But in other ways, I
> was curious
> about it.
> 
> You have to remember also that, the way these FAA and DOT
> regulations
> are written, because NFB did not get what we wanted, there
> may be
> something the airline and flight attendant could use to try
> to say
> that we qre required to receive the special briefing. 
> I am
> researching the particulars of the applicable regulations.
> 
> Once we got off the plane, I told the gate agents I wanted
> them to
> rebook me on another airline to a city closer to where I
> was going,
> and they obliged without any objections or fuss or
> trouble.
> 
> Also for my compensation they issued a roundtrip flight
> voucher which
> is this carriers usual compensation for a denied boarding
> situation.
> Again they issued the compensation without any fuss or
> difficulty.
> 
> The next day, on my return flight, I ran in to the
> supervisor who had
> asked me to leave the plane.  She said that they were
> going to have a
> conference call with the station managers, the flight
> attendants duty
> manager, and others and that likely "some action will be
> taken against
> the flight attendant."
> 
> The CRO supervisor had the wherewithall to say that while
> the "manual"
> might say that you always brief a blind passenger
> separately, that no
> manual can account for every individual situation.
> 
> In conclusion it also really occurs to me that most blind
> people need
> to learn more about the nuts and bolts of how airlines
> work, how to
> deal with CRO's, etc.  The stories I hear are just
> crazy, eg, blind
> people saying they were required to use a wheelchair or
> other odd
> things.
> 
> If you  learn how the airlines work, learn how to work
> with your CRO,
> if they get to know you at the airport, you really often
> can have a
> good experience.
> 
> Working with a CRO, as I described it in an email yesterday
> to my
> sister, is sort of a dance of carrots and sticks and give
> and take.
> 
> In general, the law does not require the airline or the CRO
> to make
> your travel more comfortable, pleasant or for them to
> compensate you
> or really work with you.  The regulations have a lot
> of requirements,
> but a lot of them are administrative.  And if any
> dollars are to be
> paid out, its usually fines a carrier would pay to the
> government.
> That said, if the CRO wants to help you, they really can do
> a lot for
> you, but again typically they aren't required too.  If
> they wanted to
> make your life miserable, they could do that too...this
> would be
> especially rellevant if you are a very frequent flyer.
> 
> There is also nothing to say you as the passenger have to
> make life
> easy for the airline.  Your free to file a DOT
> complaint whenever they
> screw up.  Almost always if a situation escallates to
> the point of
> needing a CRO, they will screw up on some technicality of
> the
> regulation and usually more than one.  When you file a
> compalint with
> DOT it gets tagged against the carrier, and DOT completes
> an
> investigation similar to that of when a member of congress
> makes an
> inquiry to the agency.  Its a lot of paperwork for the
> airline and for
> DOT, and there are very specific ways they have to handle
> the
> complaint.  That said, if your satisfied that the CRO
> resolved an
> issue for you, you don't have to file a DOT complaint.
> 
> Hopefully this gives people a few things to think
> about.  And we
> really should do a seminar on how to deal with the airlines
> on a
> really practical in the field sense and not just in
> theory.  We should
> have some very frequent flyers and maybe a real CRO put the
> seminar
> on.
> 
> Best,
> Mika
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/27/10, Briley Pollard <brileyp at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > It is also important to note that everyone else who
> sits in those seats is
> > only instructed to give it up if they "feel they are
> not willing or able to
> > complete these tasks." Why should we not be permitted
> to use our own
> > judgment on this matter? We should have to prove it to
> someone else? I
> > should think not.
> >
> > Briley
> > On May 27, 2010, at 4:58 AM, Jedi wrote:
> >
> >> Antonio,
> >>
> >> It's kind of ridiculous that I should have to
> prove my capacity to open
> >> the door to anyone much less you when sighted
> people don't have to. That's
> >> the issue, isn't it? As you have already stated,
> there's no guarantee that
> >> all sighted people are truly capable of opening
> the door, but it's enough
> >> to know that they believe they can by virtue of
> the intelligence to figure
> >> it out. Lest anyone think that a sighted person
> would be able to figure
> >> out how to open the door by means of reading
> visual instructions, I should
> >> point out that not all sighted people can
> understand diagrams of that sort
> >> much less utilize them. Just a thought. If the
> cabin is dark or smoky,
> >> visual instructions won't help anyone.
> >>
> >> Respectfully,
> >> Jedi
> >>
> >> Original message:
> >>> Hi,
> >>
> >>> Jedi, I wonder how you find yourself more
> capable to open the door, and
> >>> the
> >>> slide ramp better than many people you know if
> you haven't actually had
> >>> the
> >>> experience of, thus the ability to learn to
> deal with the equipment
> >>> before.
> >>
> >>> Just as there are capable, and not so capable
> sighted people, many of
> >>> whom
> >>> can not open the door and the slide, there are
> many blind people who are
> >>> not
> >>> capable of performing the duties.
> >>
> >>> I for one don't mind, and don't care to sit in
> exit sitting, as long as I
> >>> can sit in a place more or less determined by
> me. That would mean I would
> >>> not choose to sit in a bulk head seat.
> >>
> >>> If the airline can pre-screen for likely
> liabilities, IE. blind passenger
> >>> who can't see the handle for the ramp, they
> will. And if I can be seated
> >>> in
> >>> a reasonable fashion, and get to my
> destination without snag, I am fine,
> >>> and
> >>> feel treated fairly for the services the
> airline offers.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.
> >>
> >>> Student, Western Governors University
> >>> (617) 744-9716
> >>> Eastern time zone
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list"
> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:18 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation
> History
> >>
> >>
> >>>> You make some very good points here. 
> I don't think that some are
> >>>> realizing how little is really expected of
> most people who choose to sit
> >>>> in an exit row.  One thing I
> >>>> forgot to mention when I was writing about
> why we were as upset as we
> >>>> were
> >>>> about exit rows in the 80's is that there
> was a policy considered that
> >>>> would have not
> >>>> only prohibited us from sitting in exit
> rows, we would also have been
> >>>> prohibited from the row in front of or
> behind an exit row.  That would
> >>>> have excluded us from
> >>>> quite a number of seats on some planes.
> >>
> >>>> Best regards,
> >>
> >>>> Steve Jacobson
> >>
> >>>> On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:24:46 -0400, Jedi
> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE read Walking
> Alone and Marching Together! Peter
> >>>>> can't have given a better suggestion!
> >>
> >>>>> Unfortunately folks, this is exactly
> the press that makes airlines
> >>>>> think we can't do for ourselves thus
> asking us not to sit in emergency
> >>>>> exits, asking us to preboard, asking
> us to deplane after everyone else,
> >>>>> and altogether treating us as though
> we can't handle ourselves. For
> >>>>> those who think the emergency exit row
> thing is not such a big deal and
> >>>>> worth fighting over, let me remind you
> that a person as young as
> >>>>> fifteen can sit there, a person served
> alcohol (either before boarding
> >>>>> or on the plane) can sit there, and
> anyone who judges themselves (with
> >>>>> the exceptions of the deaf, the blind,
> the non-English speaking, and
> >>>>> the otherwise visibly disabled) can
> sit there. So basically, we're less
> >>>>> competent, in the opinion of FFA, than
> a fifteen-year-old or a drunk.
> >>>>> Others are allowed to judge their
> fitness for sitting there, but we
> >>>>> cannot. Is that worth fighting about?
> Absolutely! Unfortunately, how
> >>>>> society thinks of us in this context
> is very indicative of how society
> >>>>> thinks of us in others. This might
> sound harsh, but it's unfortunately
> >>>>> quite true. The bottom line here is
> that blind people are treated
> >>>>> arbitrarily based on someone else's
> opinion of what we can do versus
> >>>>> our own. Arbitrary treatment of this
> kind is not limited to disability
> >>>>> in our past, but has also been used to
> separate People of Color from
> >>>>> White folks back in the day and even
> now to an often invisible extent.
> >>>>> That's why Federationists fought.
> Unfortunately, we did lose that
> >>>>> battle, but that doesn't mean that we
> won't reserect it someday. I hope
> >>>>> we do as I consider myself more
> capable of opening that exit than many
> >>>>> sighted persons I know.
> >>
> >>>>> Respectfully,
> >>>>> Jedi
> >>
> >>
> >>>>> Original message:
> >>>>>> Hello Peter,
> >>
> >>>>>> I must say that NFB's issues with
> the airlines are an excellent
> >>>>>> example
> >>>>>> of the need to pick battles one
> can actually win.
> >>
> >>>>>> It is my thought that the fight
> over the exit row was ridiculous.
> >>
> >>>>>> There's only one case where it
> might be a legitimate issue. That would
> >>>>>> be if it resulted in a blind
> person actually being denied the trip.
> >>
> >>>>>> If the blind person can be
> reseated or a sighted one is voluntarily
> >>>>>> bumped in order to secure the
> blind person's equal rights in the case
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>> a packed flight, then the matter
> is resolved IMHO.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>> On 5/16/2010 11:50 AM, Peter
> Donahue wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hello Briley and everyone,
> >>
> >>>>>>>     If
> people would take the time to read Walking Alone and
> Marching
> >>>>>>> Together they would learn of
> the federation's long struggle to secure
> >>>>>>> equal
> >>>>>>> access for the blind in air
> travel. It is a history filled with the
> >>>>>>> kind of
> >>>>>>> publicity and dribble that can
> result from incidents like this one,
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> much
> >>>>>>> much more. Blind people had
> their canes taken away from them by
> >>>>>>> airline
> >>>>>>> personnel, were told they
> couldn't sit in seat rows other than the
> >>>>>>> bulkhead
> >>>>>>> if they used a guide dog, were
> told they needed to preboard and
> >>>>>>> post-board,
> >>>>>>> the list goes on. Read past
> issues of The Braille Monitor from the
> >>>>>>> late
> >>>>>>> 1980s and the early 1990s to
> get an idea of the kind of
> >>>>>>> discrimination
> >>>>>>> heaped on blind air passengers
> and why today we must still be on our
> >>>>>>> guard
> >>>>>>> when stories of this kind hit
> the media. Blind people were arrested
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> physically removed from planes
> and went to jail for doing nothing
> >>>>>>> more
> >>>>>>> than
> >>>>>>> demanding to be treated like
> other passengers.
> >>
> >>>>>>>     We
> successfully closed down a US Airways ticket counter for
> >>>>>>> several
> >>>>>>> hours due to their demanding a
> blind person move from an emergency
> >>>>>>> exit
> >>>>>>> row;
> >>>>>>> a seat he was assigned in the
> first place. The NFB held several
> >>>>>>> protest
> >>>>>>> against the FAA and the DOT
> due to their unwillingness to take a hand
> >>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>> remedying the discriminatory
> treatment we experienced at the hands of
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> airlines and still do. I know
> because I took part in several of these
> >>>>>>> activities.
> >>>>>>> Other types of air passengers
> now experience similar treatment. Large
> >>>>>>> passengers are an example. The
> NFB can teach the flying public a
> >>>>>>> thing
> >>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>> two about fighting the
> horrible treatment now experienced all too
> >>>>>>> often.
> >>>>>>> They just need to learn to
> stop, as Dr. Maurer put it in 1986,
> >>>>>>> "Sitting
> >>>>>>> down
> >>>>>>> and shutting up!"We as
> federationists need to remember these
> >>>>>>> struggles
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> not take the freedom of travel
> we now have for granted. These
> >>>>>>> nabsters
> >>>>>>> aren't just squealing over
> nothing but are remembering our past and
> >>>>>>> upholding our legacy of
> collective action by reacting the way they
> >>>>>>> are.
> >>>>>>> All
> >>>>>>> the best.
> >>
> >>>>>>> Peter Donahue
> >>
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>>> From: "Briley Pollard"<brileyp at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> To: "National Association of
> Blind Students mailing list"
> >>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010
> 9:39 AM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd:
> [Members] Airline apologizes for
> >>>>>>> forgetting
> >>>>>>> blindteen
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>> Valory,
> >>
> >>>>>>> Again, the reason this is
> upsetting is A, this girl, (from the way it
> >>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>> portrayed), isn't comfortable
> enough with herself to stand up for her
> >>>>>>> rights, and B, (the biggest
> issue), how we're portrayed in the media.
> >>>>>>> What
> >>>>>>> is said about one of us is
> perceived to be a definition of all of us.
> >>>>>>> Media
> >>>>>>> coverage of us is so often
> negative and condescending, and yes, it
> >>>>>>> does
> >>>>>>> upset me, and yes it does push
> me to speak up about how this is not
> >>>>>>> acceptable.
> >>
> >>>>>>> Briley
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>> On May 15, 2010, at 10:15 PM,
> Valerie Gibson wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>> I agree.  Seems to
> quick to point out someone else's fault and
> >>>>>>>> become
> >>>>>>>> indignant for all over one
> person's actions.
> >>
> >>>>>>>> There's just not enough
> imformation in the article to make such
> >>>>>>>> judgement
> >>>>>>>> calls.  We can only
> say what we would do in that situation, and
> >>>>>>>> while
> >>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>> don't know this girl's
> background or mental capabilities it seems
> >>>>>>>> unfair
> >>>>>>>> to point fingers.
> >>
> >>>>>>>> Perhaps she did not know
> that there are organisations like the NFB
> >>>>>>>> who
> >>>>>>>> could help her. Perhaps
> she has been told all of her life that she
> >>>>>>>> needs
> >>>>>>>> sighted help in
> everything.
> >>
> >>>>>>>> We've all been in a
> position where we did not know how to do things,
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> judging that you have
> found this mailing list, you've found the NFB
> >>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>> well as a sense of
> endependance.   Not everyone has done so.
> >>
> >>>>>>>> Does it look bad for the
> blind community? Yes.
> >>
> >>>>>>>> But how's this for a
> solution: try and find this girl and tell her
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> there are places where she
> can learn a bit of independance.
> >>
> >>>>>>>> On May 15, 2010, at 8:33
> PM, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>> Hello Sarah and all,
> >>
> >>>>>>>>> I think we may want to
> exercise care before judging this situation
> >>>>>>>>> too
> >>>>>>>>> quickly.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>> Many times while
> traveling by air, flight attendants have asked
> >>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>> wait until the plane
> has emptied before leaving. Sometimes I do
> >>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> sometimes I don't.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>> If Jessica were asked
> to wait, then she were forgotten, then she
> >>>>>>>>> certainly does have a
> very legitimate complaint here.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>> We also need to keep
> in mind that members of the blind community
> >>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>> wide ranging
> capabilities and other disabilities with which they
> >>>>>>>>> must
> >>>>>>>>> cope.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>> As always, this just
> comes down to the fact we all must exercise
> >>>>>>>>> our
> >>>>>>>>> due
> >>>>>>>>> diligence while
> performing our jobs to avoid problems of this sort.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2010 4:19 PM,
> Sarah Alawami wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> I think she should
> have gotten off the plain by her self. How hard
> >>>>>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>>> that be?
> just  get off and turn right and go up the ramp thing
> and
> >>>>>>>>>> turn
> >>>>>>>>>> left and get out
> and then wait for your escort. but here's the
> >>>>>>>>>> story.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> Airline apologizes
> for forgetting blind teen
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> Edmonton Journal ,
> May 15, 2010
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> United Airlines
> has apologized to a blind woman from Vancouver
> >>>>>>>>>> Island
> >>>>>>>>>> who
> >>>>>>>>>> was abandoned on
> an empty plane in Chicago.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> Jessica Cabot of
> Courtenay, B.C., made headlines this week after
> >>>>>>>>>> she
> >>>>>>>>>> went
> >>>>>>>>>> public about being
> forgotten in an empty United Airlines plane on
> >>>>>>>>>> an
> >>>>>>>>>> April 7
> >>>>>>>>>> stopover in
> Chicago.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> The 18-year-old
> was waiting for flight attendants to escort her to
> >>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>> connecting flight
> to Florida when she heard the plane door seal
> >>>>>>>>>> shut.
> >>>>>>>>>> Ten
> >>>>>>>>>> minutes later two
> maintenance staff happened to find her on an
> >>>>>>>>>> unscheduled
> >>>>>>>>>> check of the
> plane.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> She panicked in
> the plane, calling for help.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> After a series of
> complaints, Cabot received a $250 airline
> >>>>>>>>>> voucher
> >>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> promise of an
> apology. Five weeks after her flight and a series of
> >>>>>>>>>> news
> >>>>>>>>>> stories later, she
> finally got one.
> >>
> >>>>>>>>>> "They just
> called," said Cabot, on the phone from Jacksonville,
> >>>>>>>>>> Fla.,
> >>>>>>>>>> where
> >>>>>>>>>> she is visiting
> her fiance. "I can't even count how many times
> >>>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>> said
> >>>>>>>>>> sorry."
> >>
> >>
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 13:32:27 2010
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 09:32:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation History
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In my experience, flight attendants always ask the blind person if he/she flies frequently. I always say yes, and never get any special safety briefings. I must say, though, that sighted people get a visual representation (either live or just on a screen) of safety procedures. The only way for us to get that exact information is to have someone show it to us personally. I do fly several times a week, and don't need it. But for someone who doesn't fly, it really might be necessary.
On Jun 23, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote:

> (story below of being asked to leave a plane due to a safety breifing issue)
> 
> I don't think the blind should be categorically denied access to the
> exit rows, and I agree with Steve Jacobson's comments.  It would be
> interesting to talk with Steve about his experiences in the 80's and
> 90's.
> 
> The airline and exit row issue was one of the main things that got me
> interested in the NFB.
> 
> There is another less known about rule that was adopted by the FAA
> initially at the same time that the initial ACAA Part 382 regulations
> were adopted by DOT.  This little known about rule concerns certain
> requirements that could imply that a blind person must receive an
> individual safety briefing, on top of the general safety briefing that
> is issued to all passengers.
> 
> We in the federation object to any sort of requirement that the blind
> be subjected to some sort of additional compulsory safety briefing on
> the basis of blindness.  If a blind person believes some kind of extra
> breifing would be helpful to them, they can request it.  However, the
> blind should not be required to receive an extra briefing soley based
> on blindness.
> 
> Imagine if you will, if a blind person flew 3 times per week.  Believe
> it or not, there are people that fly 3 times per week.  If you look at
> this safety briefing notion, imagine then that in theory the blind
> person that flys three times per week would have to receive some kind
> of "extra" "special" briefing that nobody else is required to receive.
> In fact,  the blind person that flys three times per week most likely
> knows the particulars of the aircraft more than 95% of travelers.  It
> is completely arbitrary and capricious to require blind people to
> receive these special briefings soley based on ones blindness.
> 
> This discussion is also not just an academic one, or one just about
> theories and philosophy, or some kind of table top exercise.
> 
> I fly on average about 2 to 4 times a month.  Fortunately, usually,
> there is not a major issue with the safety briefings.
> 
> However, I took a flight on Monday June 21st where initially
> immediately when I boarded, the flight attendant indicated that I
> would have to receive a special briefing.  Where as with other
> passengers, the flight attendants greeted them as they boarded, I was
> initially "greeted," with the noted statement.
> 
> I told the flight attendant repeatedly that I did not want or need a
> "special briefing," and he kept insisting that his manual said that he
> was required by the FAA to provide such a breifing.
> 
> I asked for a CRO, Complaint Resolution Official, and then at least 1
> agent and 2 supervisors became involved.
> 
> The agents and supervisors told the flight attendant that I was a
> frequent flyer, and didn't needd a "special breifing."
> 
> Then one of the agents said that they would volunteer to fly on the
> flight with me if this would make the flight attendant feel more
> comfortable.  I told them that while this may have been well intended,
> that it was not a good or solid solution to the problem.  I told them
> I still wanted to speak to a CRO myself.
> 
> Now mind you all this was going on in the middle of a moderately full
> flight, and again, at this point I was in my seat.
> 
> Then a CRO came to my seat, and said that I was to take my things and
> come with her off the plane, and that they were going to rebook me on
> another flight.  I asked her if they were going to compensate me, and
> she said absolutely they would compensate me.  She did actually do
> this in pretty much as quiet and as discretely a way as she could
> have.
> 
> I don't know exactly what they would have done if I were to have told
> them I was not going to get off the plane.  However, several of our
> brothers and sisters in the NFB do have stories of telling "them" that
> they would not get off the plane.
> 
> I chose to get off the plane because the flight attendant made me feel
> uncomfortable and unwelcome, because I was confident these gate agents
> were in fact going to do whatever they could do to help me, and
> because in some wayys I did not want to find out what would happen if
> I told them I would not get off.  But in other ways, I was curious
> about it.
> 
> You have to remember also that, the way these FAA and DOT regulations
> are written, because NFB did not get what we wanted, there may be
> something the airline and flight attendant could use to try to say
> that we qre required to receive the special briefing.  I am
> researching the particulars of the applicable regulations.
> 
> Once we got off the plane, I told the gate agents I wanted them to
> rebook me on another airline to a city closer to where I was going,
> and they obliged without any objections or fuss or trouble.
> 
> Also for my compensation they issued a roundtrip flight voucher which
> is this carriers usual compensation for a denied boarding situation.
> Again they issued the compensation without any fuss or difficulty.
> 
> The next day, on my return flight, I ran in to the supervisor who had
> asked me to leave the plane.  She said that they were going to have a
> conference call with the station managers, the flight attendants duty
> manager, and others and that likely "some action will be taken against
> the flight attendant."
> 
> The CRO supervisor had the wherewithall to say that while the "manual"
> might say that you always brief a blind passenger separately, that no
> manual can account for every individual situation.
> 
> In conclusion it also really occurs to me that most blind people need
> to learn more about the nuts and bolts of how airlines work, how to
> deal with CRO's, etc.  The stories I hear are just crazy, eg, blind
> people saying they were required to use a wheelchair or other odd
> things.
> 
> If you  learn how the airlines work, learn how to work with your CRO,
> if they get to know you at the airport, you really often can have a
> good experience.
> 
> Working with a CRO, as I described it in an email yesterday to my
> sister, is sort of a dance of carrots and sticks and give and take.
> 
> In general, the law does not require the airline or the CRO to make
> your travel more comfortable, pleasant or for them to compensate you
> or really work with you.  The regulations have a lot of requirements,
> but a lot of them are administrative.  And if any dollars are to be
> paid out, its usually fines a carrier would pay to the government.
> That said, if the CRO wants to help you, they really can do a lot for
> you, but again typically they aren't required too.  If they wanted to
> make your life miserable, they could do that too...this would be
> especially rellevant if you are a very frequent flyer.
> 
> There is also nothing to say you as the passenger have to make life
> easy for the airline.  Your free to file a DOT complaint whenever they
> screw up.  Almost always if a situation escallates to the point of
> needing a CRO, they will screw up on some technicality of the
> regulation and usually more than one.  When you file a compalint with
> DOT it gets tagged against the carrier, and DOT completes an
> investigation similar to that of when a member of congress makes an
> inquiry to the agency.  Its a lot of paperwork for the airline and for
> DOT, and there are very specific ways they have to handle the
> complaint.  That said, if your satisfied that the CRO resolved an
> issue for you, you don't have to file a DOT complaint.
> 
> Hopefully this gives people a few things to think about.  And we
> really should do a seminar on how to deal with the airlines on a
> really practical in the field sense and not just in theory.  We should
> have some very frequent flyers and maybe a real CRO put the seminar
> on.
> 
> Best,
> Mika
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/27/10, Briley Pollard <brileyp at gmail.com> wrote:
>> It is also important to note that everyone else who sits in those seats is
>> only instructed to give it up if they "feel they are not willing or able to
>> complete these tasks." Why should we not be permitted to use our own
>> judgment on this matter? We should have to prove it to someone else? I
>> should think not.
>> 
>> Briley
>> On May 27, 2010, at 4:58 AM, Jedi wrote:
>> 
>>> Antonio,
>>> 
>>> It's kind of ridiculous that I should have to prove my capacity to open
>>> the door to anyone much less you when sighted people don't have to. That's
>>> the issue, isn't it? As you have already stated, there's no guarantee that
>>> all sighted people are truly capable of opening the door, but it's enough
>>> to know that they believe they can by virtue of the intelligence to figure
>>> it out. Lest anyone think that a sighted person would be able to figure
>>> out how to open the door by means of reading visual instructions, I should
>>> point out that not all sighted people can understand diagrams of that sort
>>> much less utilize them. Just a thought. If the cabin is dark or smoky,
>>> visual instructions won't help anyone.
>>> 
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Jedi
>>> 
>>> Original message:
>>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>>> Jedi, I wonder how you find yourself more capable to open the door, and
>>>> the
>>>> slide ramp better than many people you know if you haven't actually had
>>>> the
>>>> experience of, thus the ability to learn to deal with the equipment
>>>> before.
>>> 
>>>> Just as there are capable, and not so capable sighted people, many of
>>>> whom
>>>> can not open the door and the slide, there are many blind people who are
>>>> not
>>>> capable of performing the duties.
>>> 
>>>> I for one don't mind, and don't care to sit in exit sitting, as long as I
>>>> can sit in a place more or less determined by me. That would mean I would
>>>> not choose to sit in a bulk head seat.
>>> 
>>>> If the airline can pre-screen for likely liabilities, IE. blind passenger
>>>> who can't see the handle for the ramp, they will. And if I can be seated
>>>> in
>>>> a reasonable fashion, and get to my destination without snag, I am fine,
>>>> and
>>>> feel treated fairly for the services the airline offers.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.
>>> 
>>>> Student, Western Governors University
>>>> (617) 744-9716
>>>> Eastern time zone
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:18 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation History
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> You make some very good points here.  I don't think that some are
>>>>> realizing how little is really expected of most people who choose to sit
>>>>> in an exit row.  One thing I
>>>>> forgot to mention when I was writing about why we were as upset as we
>>>>> were
>>>>> about exit rows in the 80's is that there was a policy considered that
>>>>> would have not
>>>>> only prohibited us from sitting in exit rows, we would also have been
>>>>> prohibited from the row in front of or behind an exit row.  That would
>>>>> have excluded us from
>>>>> quite a number of seats on some planes.
>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:24:46 -0400, Jedi wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE read Walking Alone and Marching Together! Peter
>>>>>> can't have given a better suggestion!
>>> 
>>>>>> Unfortunately folks, this is exactly the press that makes airlines
>>>>>> think we can't do for ourselves thus asking us not to sit in emergency
>>>>>> exits, asking us to preboard, asking us to deplane after everyone else,
>>>>>> and altogether treating us as though we can't handle ourselves. For
>>>>>> those who think the emergency exit row thing is not such a big deal and
>>>>>> worth fighting over, let me remind you that a person as young as
>>>>>> fifteen can sit there, a person served alcohol (either before boarding
>>>>>> or on the plane) can sit there, and anyone who judges themselves (with
>>>>>> the exceptions of the deaf, the blind, the non-English speaking, and
>>>>>> the otherwise visibly disabled) can sit there. So basically, we're less
>>>>>> competent, in the opinion of FFA, than a fifteen-year-old or a drunk.
>>>>>> Others are allowed to judge their fitness for sitting there, but we
>>>>>> cannot. Is that worth fighting about? Absolutely! Unfortunately, how
>>>>>> society thinks of us in this context is very indicative of how society
>>>>>> thinks of us in others. This might sound harsh, but it's unfortunately
>>>>>> quite true. The bottom line here is that blind people are treated
>>>>>> arbitrarily based on someone else's opinion of what we can do versus
>>>>>> our own. Arbitrary treatment of this kind is not limited to disability
>>>>>> in our past, but has also been used to separate People of Color from
>>>>>> White folks back in the day and even now to an often invisible extent.
>>>>>> That's why Federationists fought. Unfortunately, we did lose that
>>>>>> battle, but that doesn't mean that we won't reserect it someday. I hope
>>>>>> we do as I consider myself more capable of opening that exit than many
>>>>>> sighted persons I know.
>>> 
>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>> Jedi
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Hello Peter,
>>> 
>>>>>>> I must say that NFB's issues with the airlines are an excellent
>>>>>>> example
>>>>>>> of the need to pick battles one can actually win.
>>> 
>>>>>>> It is my thought that the fight over the exit row was ridiculous.
>>> 
>>>>>>> There's only one case where it might be a legitimate issue. That would
>>>>>>> be if it resulted in a blind person actually being denied the trip.
>>> 
>>>>>>> If the blind person can be reseated or a sighted one is voluntarily
>>>>>>> bumped in order to secure the blind person's equal rights in the case
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> a packed flight, then the matter is resolved IMHO.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> On 5/16/2010 11:50 AM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello Briley and everyone,
>>> 
>>>>>>>>    If people would take the time to read Walking Alone and Marching
>>>>>>>> Together they would learn of the federation's long struggle to secure
>>>>>>>> equal
>>>>>>>> access for the blind in air travel. It is a history filled with the
>>>>>>>> kind of
>>>>>>>> publicity and dribble that can result from incidents like this one,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> much more. Blind people had their canes taken away from them by
>>>>>>>> airline
>>>>>>>> personnel, were told they couldn't sit in seat rows other than the
>>>>>>>> bulkhead
>>>>>>>> if they used a guide dog, were told they needed to preboard and
>>>>>>>> post-board,
>>>>>>>> the list goes on. Read past issues of The Braille Monitor from the
>>>>>>>> late
>>>>>>>> 1980s and the early 1990s to get an idea of the kind of
>>>>>>>> discrimination
>>>>>>>> heaped on blind air passengers and why today we must still be on our
>>>>>>>> guard
>>>>>>>> when stories of this kind hit the media. Blind people were arrested
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> physically removed from planes and went to jail for doing nothing
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>> demanding to be treated like other passengers.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>    We successfully closed down a US Airways ticket counter for
>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>> hours due to their demanding a blind person move from an emergency
>>>>>>>> exit
>>>>>>>> row;
>>>>>>>> a seat he was assigned in the first place. The NFB held several
>>>>>>>> protest
>>>>>>>> against the FAA and the DOT due to their unwillingness to take a hand
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> remedying the discriminatory treatment we experienced at the hands of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> airlines and still do. I know because I took part in several of these
>>>>>>>> activities.
>>>>>>>> Other types of air passengers now experience similar treatment. Large
>>>>>>>> passengers are an example. The NFB can teach the flying public a
>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> two about fighting the horrible treatment now experienced all too
>>>>>>>> often.
>>>>>>>> They just need to learn to stop, as Dr. Maurer put it in 1986,
>>>>>>>> "Sitting
>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>> and shutting up!"We as federationists need to remember these
>>>>>>>> struggles
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> not take the freedom of travel we now have for granted. These
>>>>>>>> nabsters
>>>>>>>> aren't just squealing over nothing but are remembering our past and
>>>>>>>> upholding our legacy of collective action by reacting the way they
>>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>>> All
>>>>>>>> the best.
>>> 
>>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>> 
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Briley Pollard"<brileyp at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 9:39 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Members] Airline apologizes for
>>>>>>>> forgetting
>>>>>>>> blindteen
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> Valory,
>>> 
>>>>>>>> Again, the reason this is upsetting is A, this girl, (from the way it
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> portrayed), isn't comfortable enough with herself to stand up for her
>>>>>>>> rights, and B, (the biggest issue), how we're portrayed in the media.
>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>> is said about one of us is perceived to be a definition of all of us.
>>>>>>>> Media
>>>>>>>> coverage of us is so often negative and condescending, and yes, it
>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>> upset me, and yes it does push me to speak up about how this is not
>>>>>>>> acceptable.
>>> 
>>>>>>>> Briley
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 15, 2010, at 10:15 PM, Valerie Gibson wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I agree.  Seems to quick to point out someone else's fault and
>>>>>>>>> become
>>>>>>>>> indignant for all over one person's actions.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> There's just not enough imformation in the article to make such
>>>>>>>>> judgement
>>>>>>>>> calls.  We can only say what we would do in that situation, and
>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> don't know this girl's background or mental capabilities it seems
>>>>>>>>> unfair
>>>>>>>>> to point fingers.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps she did not know that there are organisations like the NFB
>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>> could help her. Perhaps she has been told all of her life that she
>>>>>>>>> needs
>>>>>>>>> sighted help in everything.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We've all been in a position where we did not know how to do things,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> judging that you have found this mailing list, you've found the NFB
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> well as a sense of endependance.   Not everyone has done so.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Does it look bad for the blind community? Yes.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> But how's this for a solution: try and find this girl and tell her
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> there are places where she can learn a bit of independance.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On May 15, 2010, at 8:33 PM, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Sarah and all,
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I think we may want to exercise care before judging this situation
>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>> quickly.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Many times while traveling by air, flight attendants have asked
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> wait until the plane has emptied before leaving. Sometimes I do
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> sometimes I don't.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If Jessica were asked to wait, then she were forgotten, then she
>>>>>>>>>> certainly does have a very legitimate complaint here.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> We also need to keep in mind that members of the blind community
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> wide ranging capabilities and other disabilities with which they
>>>>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>>>>> cope.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> As always, this just comes down to the fact we all must exercise
>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>> due
>>>>>>>>>> diligence while performing our jobs to avoid problems of this sort.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2010 4:19 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I think she should have gotten off the plain by her self. How hard
>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>> that be? just  get off and turn right and go up the ramp thing and
>>>>>>>>>>> turn
>>>>>>>>>>> left and get out and then wait for your escort. but here's the
>>>>>>>>>>> story.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Airline apologizes for forgetting blind teen
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Edmonton Journal , May 15, 2010
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> United Airlines has apologized to a blind woman from Vancouver
>>>>>>>>>>> Island
>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>> was abandoned on an empty plane in Chicago.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Jessica Cabot of Courtenay, B.C., made headlines this week after
>>>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>>> went
>>>>>>>>>>> public about being forgotten in an empty United Airlines plane on
>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>> April 7
>>>>>>>>>>> stopover in Chicago.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> The 18-year-old was waiting for flight attendants to escort her to
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> connecting flight to Florida when she heard the plane door seal
>>>>>>>>>>> shut.
>>>>>>>>>>> Ten
>>>>>>>>>>> minutes later two maintenance staff happened to find her on an
>>>>>>>>>>> unscheduled
>>>>>>>>>>> check of the plane.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> She panicked in the plane, calling for help.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> After a series of complaints, Cabot received a $250 airline
>>>>>>>>>>> voucher
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> promise of an apology. Five weeks after her flight and a series of
>>>>>>>>>>> news
>>>>>>>>>>> stories later, she finally got one.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> "They just called," said Cabot, on the phone from Jacksonville,
>>>>>>>>>>> Fla.,
>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>> she is visiting her fiance. "I can't even count how many times
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>>> sorry."
>>> 
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From brittney.urquhart at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 21:50:49 2010
From: brittney.urquhart at gmail.com (Brittney Urquhart)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 16:50:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] AABS Ipod Touch Fund Raiser
Message-ID: <4C23D339.2020504@gmail.com>

Good Afternoon:

The Alabama Association of Blind Students is raffling off an iPod Touch 
for its 2010 fund raiser. The winner of the raffle will receive a 32GB 
Apple ipod Touch. The drawing will be held Wednesday September 1, 2010, 
and the winner will be notified via phone September 2. Tickets are $5 
for one, or $10 for three.

If you are interested in purchasing tickets for the raffle, please send 
all personal checks, money orders, or Cashier’s checks to:

Tamika Williams, AABS President

6060 Southbend Drive North

Mobile, Alabama 36619

Please make all checks and money orders payable to Tamika Williams, AABS 
President, and include AABS iPod Fund Raiser in the memo line of all 
checks and money orders.

On a separate sheet, please include, your name, address, and phone 
number in print or Braille.

If you have any questions or concerns, please contact, Brittney 
Urquhart, AABS Vice-President, at blu0001 at auburn.edu 
<mailto:blu0001 at auburn.edu>


Thank you in advance,
Brittney
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world."
-Mahatma Gandhi
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From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 23:37:10 2010
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 19:37:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] AABS Ipod Touch Fund Raiser
References: <4C23D339.2020504@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64655CEF202B497892FF04684A102576@radio360usa>

I may put myself in the drawing for this. Only wish you had paypal for 
collecting money.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brittney Urquhart" <brittney.urquhart at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 5:50 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] AABS Ipod Touch Fund Raiser


Good Afternoon:

The Alabama Association of Blind Students is raffling off an iPod Touch
for its 2010 fund raiser. The winner of the raffle will receive a 32GB
Apple ipod Touch. The drawing will be held Wednesday September 1, 2010,
and the winner will be notified via phone September 2. Tickets are $5
for one, or $10 for three.

If you are interested in purchasing tickets for the raffle, please send
all personal checks, money orders, or Cashier’s checks to:

Tamika Williams, AABS President

6060 Southbend Drive North

Mobile, Alabama 36619

Please make all checks and money orders payable to Tamika Williams, AABS
President, and include AABS iPod Fund Raiser in the memo line of all
checks and money orders.

On a separate sheet, please include, your name, address, and phone
number in print or Braille.

If you have any questions or concerns, please contact, Brittney
Urquhart, AABS Vice-President, at blu0001 at auburn.edu
<mailto:blu0001 at auburn.edu>


Thank you in advance,
Brittney
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world."
-Mahatma Gandhi
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From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Jun 25 03:03:35 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 22:03:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: announcement: Especially for students and
	international
Message-ID: <auto-000159583486@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>
>Do you have a dream of starting and leading your own social project? 
>Do you want to make a difference in the lives of others? If your 
>answer is yes, then The International Institute for Social 
>Entrepreneurs (IISE), in Kerala, India, is the study program for you.
>
>Taught by international experts in the field of management and 
>social entrepreneurship, IISE empowers visionaries to set up 
>projects across the world that address the needs of the 
>underprivileged. IISE participants are challenged to become 
>individuals whose skills, integrity and leadership qualities prepare 
>them to become effective and distinguished social entrepreneurs in 
>their communities and in the world.
>
>IISE is seeking highly motivated and committed candidates who have 
>overcome obstacles in their life, have an interest in learning and 
>working with different cultures, and who have a dream to realize. If 
>you are twenty-two years or older and can speak, read and write 
>English, you are invited to apply for this one-year scholarship-based program.
>
>Leadership, management, public speaking and fund raising are some of 
>the skills you will learn. This hands-on program includes an 
>internship which provides practical real-world experience.
>
>You will leave IISE with all the skills necessary to be able to set 
>up your own social project.
>
>Applicants for the training need the following skills and qualities:
>- Creativity, dedication, motivation, be an innovative problem solver.
>- For those who are blind or visually impaired: reading and
>   writing enlarged print or English Braille (grade 2)
>- Ability to communicate well in English.
>   (All sessions and workshops are conducted in English)
>
>Students at the IISE are referred to as participants. They are 
>coached by catalysts who stimulate, encourage and challenge 
>participants to help accelerate their learning and ensure personal development.
>
>The IISE is a unique institution with a distinctive philosophy, 
>which cannot be compared to a university or other conventional 
>academic entities. The institute is a 'think and action tank' where 
>talented visionaries from all over the world exchange knowledge and 
>experiences and work together as a team for the realisation of their 
>visions and dreams.
>
>Every IISE participant is an active, contributing, independent, 
>self-confident and skilled person who possesses expertise in 
>different fields. As a potential participant, you are therefore not 
>coming to the IISE as a student, but as an expert.
>The expectation of participant's participation and commitment to the 
>program is very high. To this end, before proceeding to the 
>application process, ask yourself the following questions:
>
>     * Am I willing to spend 11 months of my life in a developing 
> country, working intensively on developing my social 
> entrepreneurship and leadership skills?
>     * Am I willing to participate in all activities, giving my best 
> every time in terms of my knowledge, experience, effort creativity and talent?
>     * Am I willing to help others achieve their goals and develop 
> their skills in the areas which I consider myself an expert?
>     * Am I willing to come to the institute with a spirit of 
> integrity, mutual respect, exchange, contribution and teamwork?
>     * Am I 100% committed to making my goals, dreams, vision and 
> social project come true, continuing even after I complete the program?
>
>If you answered YES to all the above questions, you are a potential 
>candidate and we would encourage you to apply for the IISE program.
>
>Join IISE and impact your future and that of others. Visit 
>www.bwb-iise.org and/or email your inquiries to BrailleWB at gmx.net . 
>You may also fax us your questions at  or write us via regular post at:
>
>Braille Without Borders International Institute for Social 
>Entrepreneurs c/o P. Kronenberg Vivekanenda Nagar, Vellayani, 
>Ookode, Nemom PO, TRV 695020 KERALA, INDIA
>
>Deadline for applications for the 2011 course is the 30th of June, 2010.
>

                         David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
Follow me on Twitter:  http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920

From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Fri Jun 25 14:37:35 2010
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 10:37:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [rehab] Fwd: announcement: Especially for students
	andinternational
Message-ID: <21B9813B0E524E6581B099AD1E02BA69@hometwxakonvzn>

I think this is a good opertunity for students. RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dick Davis" <ddavis at blindinc.org>
To: "'Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List'" <rehab at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [rehab] Fwd: announcement: Especially for students 
andinternational


> Hi,
> I wish I were a lot younger, because I would love to attend this school.
> You may not know this, but IISE is a spinoff of Braille Without Borders,
> which was founded by Sabriye Tenberken, a blind German woman who invented
> Tibetan Braille and opened Tibet's first and only center for the blind in
> Lhasa.  She was joined by Paul Kronenberg, who ultimately became more than 
> a
> friend. I first learned of her last year when we were doing the Braille
> coins at some local bookstores.  One of the managers brought me her book 
> and
> asked if I'd read it, and I was embarrassed to say I hadn't.  Her school 
> in
> Tibet was featured in Eric Weihenmayer's film documentary "Blindsight",
> which many of you have probably seen. In 2005 she was nominated for the
> Nobel Peace Prize.  She is one of the world's most interesting blind 
> people,
> and it would be great if we could have her speak at our convention 
> sometime.
> Check out her website at www.braillewithoutborders.org.
> Dick Davis
> BLIND, Inc.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of David Andrews
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:04 PM
> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [rehab] Fwd: announcement: Especially for students and
> international
>
>
>>
>>Do you have a dream of starting and leading your own social project?
>>Do you want to make a difference in the lives of others? If your answer
>>is yes, then The International Institute for Social Entrepreneurs
>>(IISE), in Kerala, India, is the study program for you.
>>
>>Taught by international experts in the field of management and social
>>entrepreneurship, IISE empowers visionaries to set up projects across
>>the world that address the needs of the underprivileged. IISE
>>participants are challenged to become individuals whose skills,
>>integrity and leadership qualities prepare them to become effective and
>>distinguished social entrepreneurs in their communities and in the
>>world.
>>
>>IISE is seeking highly motivated and committed candidates who have
>>overcome obstacles in their life, have an interest in learning and
>>working with different cultures, and who have a dream to realize. If
>>you are twenty-two years or older and can speak, read and write
>>English, you are invited to apply for this one-year scholarship-based
> program.
>>
>>Leadership, management, public speaking and fund raising are some of
>>the skills you will learn. This hands-on program includes an internship
>>which provides practical real-world experience.
>>
>>You will leave IISE with all the skills necessary to be able to set up
>>your own social project.
>>
>>Applicants for the training need the following skills and qualities:
>>- Creativity, dedication, motivation, be an innovative problem solver.
>>- For those who are blind or visually impaired: reading and
>>   writing enlarged print or English Braille (grade 2)
>>- Ability to communicate well in English.
>>   (All sessions and workshops are conducted in English)
>>
>>Students at the IISE are referred to as participants. They are coached
>>by catalysts who stimulate, encourage and challenge participants to
>>help accelerate their learning and ensure personal development.
>>
>>The IISE is a unique institution with a distinctive philosophy, which
>>cannot be compared to a university or other conventional academic
>>entities. The institute is a 'think and action tank' where talented
>>visionaries from all over the world exchange knowledge and experiences
>>and work together as a team for the realisation of their visions and
>>dreams.
>>
>>Every IISE participant is an active, contributing, independent,
>>self-confident and skilled person who possesses expertise in different
>>fields. As a potential participant, you are therefore not coming to the
>>IISE as a student, but as an expert.
>>The expectation of participant's participation and commitment to the
>>program is very high. To this end, before proceeding to the application
>>process, ask yourself the following questions:
>>
>>     * Am I willing to spend 11 months of my life in a developing
>> country, working intensively on developing my social entrepreneurship
>> and leadership skills?
>>     * Am I willing to participate in all activities, giving my best
>> every time in terms of my knowledge, experience, effort creativity and
> talent?
>>     * Am I willing to help others achieve their goals and develop
>> their skills in the areas which I consider myself an expert?
>>     * Am I willing to come to the institute with a spirit of
>> integrity, mutual respect, exchange, contribution and teamwork?
>>     * Am I 100% committed to making my goals, dreams, vision and
>> social project come true, continuing even after I complete the program?
>>
>>If you answered YES to all the above questions, you are a potential
>>candidate and we would encourage you to apply for the IISE program.
>>
>>Join IISE and impact your future and that of others. Visit
>>www.bwb-iise.org and/or email your inquiries to BrailleWB at gmx.net .
>>You may also fax us your questions at  or write us via regular post at:
>>
>>Braille Without Borders International Institute for Social
>>Entrepreneurs c/o P. Kronenberg Vivekanenda Nagar, Vellayani, Ookode,
>>Nemom PO, TRV 695020 KERALA, INDIA
>>
>>Deadline for applications for the 2011 course is the 30th of June, 2010.
>>
>
>                         David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com Follow me on
> Twitter:  http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920
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From ignasicambra at gmail.com  Fri Jun 25 14:51:52 2010
From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 10:51:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation History
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One time I got to the Atlanta airport, and had 45 minutes to make it to my next flight. The person that was supposed to assist me came relatively on time, with a wheelchair. I told him I didn't need or want a wheelchair, and he literally told me that if I didn't get on the chair, he wasn't taking me anywhere. Besides that, the guy seemed terribly scared of my guide dog. A passenger on my flight just told me that he was going just a couple of gates away from mine, so I just left with him and let the airport employee leave with his wheelchair to do whatever he had to do. I never took any action about this, just because I didn't have any time.
On Jun 23, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote:

> (story below of being asked to leave a plane due to a safety breifing issue)
> 
> I don't think the blind should be categorically denied access to the
> exit rows, and I agree with Steve Jacobson's comments.  It would be
> interesting to talk with Steve about his experiences in the 80's and
> 90's.
> 
> The airline and exit row issue was one of the main things that got me
> interested in the NFB.
> 
> There is another less known about rule that was adopted by the FAA
> initially at the same time that the initial ACAA Part 382 regulations
> were adopted by DOT.  This little known about rule concerns certain
> requirements that could imply that a blind person must receive an
> individual safety briefing, on top of the general safety briefing that
> is issued to all passengers.
> 
> We in the federation object to any sort of requirement that the blind
> be subjected to some sort of additional compulsory safety briefing on
> the basis of blindness.  If a blind person believes some kind of extra
> breifing would be helpful to them, they can request it.  However, the
> blind should not be required to receive an extra briefing soley based
> on blindness.
> 
> Imagine if you will, if a blind person flew 3 times per week.  Believe
> it or not, there are people that fly 3 times per week.  If you look at
> this safety briefing notion, imagine then that in theory the blind
> person that flys three times per week would have to receive some kind
> of "extra" "special" briefing that nobody else is required to receive.
> In fact,  the blind person that flys three times per week most likely
> knows the particulars of the aircraft more than 95% of travelers.  It
> is completely arbitrary and capricious to require blind people to
> receive these special briefings soley based on ones blindness.
> 
> This discussion is also not just an academic one, or one just about
> theories and philosophy, or some kind of table top exercise.
> 
> I fly on average about 2 to 4 times a month.  Fortunately, usually,
> there is not a major issue with the safety briefings.
> 
> However, I took a flight on Monday June 21st where initially
> immediately when I boarded, the flight attendant indicated that I
> would have to receive a special briefing.  Where as with other
> passengers, the flight attendants greeted them as they boarded, I was
> initially "greeted," with the noted statement.
> 
> I told the flight attendant repeatedly that I did not want or need a
> "special briefing," and he kept insisting that his manual said that he
> was required by the FAA to provide such a breifing.
> 
> I asked for a CRO, Complaint Resolution Official, and then at least 1
> agent and 2 supervisors became involved.
> 
> The agents and supervisors told the flight attendant that I was a
> frequent flyer, and didn't needd a "special breifing."
> 
> Then one of the agents said that they would volunteer to fly on the
> flight with me if this would make the flight attendant feel more
> comfortable.  I told them that while this may have been well intended,
> that it was not a good or solid solution to the problem.  I told them
> I still wanted to speak to a CRO myself.
> 
> Now mind you all this was going on in the middle of a moderately full
> flight, and again, at this point I was in my seat.
> 
> Then a CRO came to my seat, and said that I was to take my things and
> come with her off the plane, and that they were going to rebook me on
> another flight.  I asked her if they were going to compensate me, and
> she said absolutely they would compensate me.  She did actually do
> this in pretty much as quiet and as discretely a way as she could
> have.
> 
> I don't know exactly what they would have done if I were to have told
> them I was not going to get off the plane.  However, several of our
> brothers and sisters in the NFB do have stories of telling "them" that
> they would not get off the plane.
> 
> I chose to get off the plane because the flight attendant made me feel
> uncomfortable and unwelcome, because I was confident these gate agents
> were in fact going to do whatever they could do to help me, and
> because in some wayys I did not want to find out what would happen if
> I told them I would not get off.  But in other ways, I was curious
> about it.
> 
> You have to remember also that, the way these FAA and DOT regulations
> are written, because NFB did not get what we wanted, there may be
> something the airline and flight attendant could use to try to say
> that we qre required to receive the special briefing.  I am
> researching the particulars of the applicable regulations.
> 
> Once we got off the plane, I told the gate agents I wanted them to
> rebook me on another airline to a city closer to where I was going,
> and they obliged without any objections or fuss or trouble.
> 
> Also for my compensation they issued a roundtrip flight voucher which
> is this carriers usual compensation for a denied boarding situation.
> Again they issued the compensation without any fuss or difficulty.
> 
> The next day, on my return flight, I ran in to the supervisor who had
> asked me to leave the plane.  She said that they were going to have a
> conference call with the station managers, the flight attendants duty
> manager, and others and that likely "some action will be taken against
> the flight attendant."
> 
> The CRO supervisor had the wherewithall to say that while the "manual"
> might say that you always brief a blind passenger separately, that no
> manual can account for every individual situation.
> 
> In conclusion it also really occurs to me that most blind people need
> to learn more about the nuts and bolts of how airlines work, how to
> deal with CRO's, etc.  The stories I hear are just crazy, eg, blind
> people saying they were required to use a wheelchair or other odd
> things.
> 
> If you  learn how the airlines work, learn how to work with your CRO,
> if they get to know you at the airport, you really often can have a
> good experience.
> 
> Working with a CRO, as I described it in an email yesterday to my
> sister, is sort of a dance of carrots and sticks and give and take.
> 
> In general, the law does not require the airline or the CRO to make
> your travel more comfortable, pleasant or for them to compensate you
> or really work with you.  The regulations have a lot of requirements,
> but a lot of them are administrative.  And if any dollars are to be
> paid out, its usually fines a carrier would pay to the government.
> That said, if the CRO wants to help you, they really can do a lot for
> you, but again typically they aren't required too.  If they wanted to
> make your life miserable, they could do that too...this would be
> especially rellevant if you are a very frequent flyer.
> 
> There is also nothing to say you as the passenger have to make life
> easy for the airline.  Your free to file a DOT complaint whenever they
> screw up.  Almost always if a situation escallates to the point of
> needing a CRO, they will screw up on some technicality of the
> regulation and usually more than one.  When you file a compalint with
> DOT it gets tagged against the carrier, and DOT completes an
> investigation similar to that of when a member of congress makes an
> inquiry to the agency.  Its a lot of paperwork for the airline and for
> DOT, and there are very specific ways they have to handle the
> complaint.  That said, if your satisfied that the CRO resolved an
> issue for you, you don't have to file a DOT complaint.
> 
> Hopefully this gives people a few things to think about.  And we
> really should do a seminar on how to deal with the airlines on a
> really practical in the field sense and not just in theory.  We should
> have some very frequent flyers and maybe a real CRO put the seminar
> on.
> 
> Best,
> Mika
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/27/10, Briley Pollard <brileyp at gmail.com> wrote:
>> It is also important to note that everyone else who sits in those seats is
>> only instructed to give it up if they "feel they are not willing or able to
>> complete these tasks." Why should we not be permitted to use our own
>> judgment on this matter? We should have to prove it to someone else? I
>> should think not.
>> 
>> Briley
>> On May 27, 2010, at 4:58 AM, Jedi wrote:
>> 
>>> Antonio,
>>> 
>>> It's kind of ridiculous that I should have to prove my capacity to open
>>> the door to anyone much less you when sighted people don't have to. That's
>>> the issue, isn't it? As you have already stated, there's no guarantee that
>>> all sighted people are truly capable of opening the door, but it's enough
>>> to know that they believe they can by virtue of the intelligence to figure
>>> it out. Lest anyone think that a sighted person would be able to figure
>>> out how to open the door by means of reading visual instructions, I should
>>> point out that not all sighted people can understand diagrams of that sort
>>> much less utilize them. Just a thought. If the cabin is dark or smoky,
>>> visual instructions won't help anyone.
>>> 
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Jedi
>>> 
>>> Original message:
>>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>>> Jedi, I wonder how you find yourself more capable to open the door, and
>>>> the
>>>> slide ramp better than many people you know if you haven't actually had
>>>> the
>>>> experience of, thus the ability to learn to deal with the equipment
>>>> before.
>>> 
>>>> Just as there are capable, and not so capable sighted people, many of
>>>> whom
>>>> can not open the door and the slide, there are many blind people who are
>>>> not
>>>> capable of performing the duties.
>>> 
>>>> I for one don't mind, and don't care to sit in exit sitting, as long as I
>>>> can sit in a place more or less determined by me. That would mean I would
>>>> not choose to sit in a bulk head seat.
>>> 
>>>> If the airline can pre-screen for likely liabilities, IE. blind passenger
>>>> who can't see the handle for the ramp, they will. And if I can be seated
>>>> in
>>>> a reasonable fashion, and get to my destination without snag, I am fine,
>>>> and
>>>> feel treated fairly for the services the airline offers.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.
>>> 
>>>> Student, Western Governors University
>>>> (617) 744-9716
>>>> Eastern time zone
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:18 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation History
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> You make some very good points here.  I don't think that some are
>>>>> realizing how little is really expected of most people who choose to sit
>>>>> in an exit row.  One thing I
>>>>> forgot to mention when I was writing about why we were as upset as we
>>>>> were
>>>>> about exit rows in the 80's is that there was a policy considered that
>>>>> would have not
>>>>> only prohibited us from sitting in exit rows, we would also have been
>>>>> prohibited from the row in front of or behind an exit row.  That would
>>>>> have excluded us from
>>>>> quite a number of seats on some planes.
>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:24:46 -0400, Jedi wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE read Walking Alone and Marching Together! Peter
>>>>>> can't have given a better suggestion!
>>> 
>>>>>> Unfortunately folks, this is exactly the press that makes airlines
>>>>>> think we can't do for ourselves thus asking us not to sit in emergency
>>>>>> exits, asking us to preboard, asking us to deplane after everyone else,
>>>>>> and altogether treating us as though we can't handle ourselves. For
>>>>>> those who think the emergency exit row thing is not such a big deal and
>>>>>> worth fighting over, let me remind you that a person as young as
>>>>>> fifteen can sit there, a person served alcohol (either before boarding
>>>>>> or on the plane) can sit there, and anyone who judges themselves (with
>>>>>> the exceptions of the deaf, the blind, the non-English speaking, and
>>>>>> the otherwise visibly disabled) can sit there. So basically, we're less
>>>>>> competent, in the opinion of FFA, than a fifteen-year-old or a drunk.
>>>>>> Others are allowed to judge their fitness for sitting there, but we
>>>>>> cannot. Is that worth fighting about? Absolutely! Unfortunately, how
>>>>>> society thinks of us in this context is very indicative of how society
>>>>>> thinks of us in others. This might sound harsh, but it's unfortunately
>>>>>> quite true. The bottom line here is that blind people are treated
>>>>>> arbitrarily based on someone else's opinion of what we can do versus
>>>>>> our own. Arbitrary treatment of this kind is not limited to disability
>>>>>> in our past, but has also been used to separate People of Color from
>>>>>> White folks back in the day and even now to an often invisible extent.
>>>>>> That's why Federationists fought. Unfortunately, we did lose that
>>>>>> battle, but that doesn't mean that we won't reserect it someday. I hope
>>>>>> we do as I consider myself more capable of opening that exit than many
>>>>>> sighted persons I know.
>>> 
>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>> Jedi
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> Original message:
>>>>>>> Hello Peter,
>>> 
>>>>>>> I must say that NFB's issues with the airlines are an excellent
>>>>>>> example
>>>>>>> of the need to pick battles one can actually win.
>>> 
>>>>>>> It is my thought that the fight over the exit row was ridiculous.
>>> 
>>>>>>> There's only one case where it might be a legitimate issue. That would
>>>>>>> be if it resulted in a blind person actually being denied the trip.
>>> 
>>>>>>> If the blind person can be reseated or a sighted one is voluntarily
>>>>>>> bumped in order to secure the blind person's equal rights in the case
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> a packed flight, then the matter is resolved IMHO.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> On 5/16/2010 11:50 AM, Peter Donahue wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello Briley and everyone,
>>> 
>>>>>>>>    If people would take the time to read Walking Alone and Marching
>>>>>>>> Together they would learn of the federation's long struggle to secure
>>>>>>>> equal
>>>>>>>> access for the blind in air travel. It is a history filled with the
>>>>>>>> kind of
>>>>>>>> publicity and dribble that can result from incidents like this one,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>> much more. Blind people had their canes taken away from them by
>>>>>>>> airline
>>>>>>>> personnel, were told they couldn't sit in seat rows other than the
>>>>>>>> bulkhead
>>>>>>>> if they used a guide dog, were told they needed to preboard and
>>>>>>>> post-board,
>>>>>>>> the list goes on. Read past issues of The Braille Monitor from the
>>>>>>>> late
>>>>>>>> 1980s and the early 1990s to get an idea of the kind of
>>>>>>>> discrimination
>>>>>>>> heaped on blind air passengers and why today we must still be on our
>>>>>>>> guard
>>>>>>>> when stories of this kind hit the media. Blind people were arrested
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> physically removed from planes and went to jail for doing nothing
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>> demanding to be treated like other passengers.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>    We successfully closed down a US Airways ticket counter for
>>>>>>>> several
>>>>>>>> hours due to their demanding a blind person move from an emergency
>>>>>>>> exit
>>>>>>>> row;
>>>>>>>> a seat he was assigned in the first place. The NFB held several
>>>>>>>> protest
>>>>>>>> against the FAA and the DOT due to their unwillingness to take a hand
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> remedying the discriminatory treatment we experienced at the hands of
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> airlines and still do. I know because I took part in several of these
>>>>>>>> activities.
>>>>>>>> Other types of air passengers now experience similar treatment. Large
>>>>>>>> passengers are an example. The NFB can teach the flying public a
>>>>>>>> thing
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> two about fighting the horrible treatment now experienced all too
>>>>>>>> often.
>>>>>>>> They just need to learn to stop, as Dr. Maurer put it in 1986,
>>>>>>>> "Sitting
>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>> and shutting up!"We as federationists need to remember these
>>>>>>>> struggles
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> not take the freedom of travel we now have for granted. These
>>>>>>>> nabsters
>>>>>>>> aren't just squealing over nothing but are remembering our past and
>>>>>>>> upholding our legacy of collective action by reacting the way they
>>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>>> All
>>>>>>>> the best.
>>> 
>>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>>> 
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Briley Pollard"<brileyp at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 9:39 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Members] Airline apologizes for
>>>>>>>> forgetting
>>>>>>>> blindteen
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> Valory,
>>> 
>>>>>>>> Again, the reason this is upsetting is A, this girl, (from the way it
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> portrayed), isn't comfortable enough with herself to stand up for her
>>>>>>>> rights, and B, (the biggest issue), how we're portrayed in the media.
>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>> is said about one of us is perceived to be a definition of all of us.
>>>>>>>> Media
>>>>>>>> coverage of us is so often negative and condescending, and yes, it
>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>> upset me, and yes it does push me to speak up about how this is not
>>>>>>>> acceptable.
>>> 
>>>>>>>> Briley
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 15, 2010, at 10:15 PM, Valerie Gibson wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I agree.  Seems to quick to point out someone else's fault and
>>>>>>>>> become
>>>>>>>>> indignant for all over one person's actions.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> There's just not enough imformation in the article to make such
>>>>>>>>> judgement
>>>>>>>>> calls.  We can only say what we would do in that situation, and
>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> don't know this girl's background or mental capabilities it seems
>>>>>>>>> unfair
>>>>>>>>> to point fingers.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps she did not know that there are organisations like the NFB
>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>> could help her. Perhaps she has been told all of her life that she
>>>>>>>>> needs
>>>>>>>>> sighted help in everything.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> We've all been in a position where we did not know how to do things,
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> judging that you have found this mailing list, you've found the NFB
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> well as a sense of endependance.   Not everyone has done so.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Does it look bad for the blind community? Yes.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> But how's this for a solution: try and find this girl and tell her
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> there are places where she can learn a bit of independance.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On May 15, 2010, at 8:33 PM, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Hello Sarah and all,
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I think we may want to exercise care before judging this situation
>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>> quickly.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Many times while traveling by air, flight attendants have asked
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> wait until the plane has emptied before leaving. Sometimes I do
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> sometimes I don't.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If Jessica were asked to wait, then she were forgotten, then she
>>>>>>>>>> certainly does have a very legitimate complaint here.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> We also need to keep in mind that members of the blind community
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> wide ranging capabilities and other disabilities with which they
>>>>>>>>>> must
>>>>>>>>>> cope.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> As always, this just comes down to the fact we all must exercise
>>>>>>>>>> our
>>>>>>>>>> due
>>>>>>>>>> diligence while performing our jobs to avoid problems of this sort.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2010 4:19 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I think she should have gotten off the plain by her self. How hard
>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>> that be? just  get off and turn right and go up the ramp thing and
>>>>>>>>>>> turn
>>>>>>>>>>> left and get out and then wait for your escort. but here's the
>>>>>>>>>>> story.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Airline apologizes for forgetting blind teen
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Edmonton Journal , May 15, 2010
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> United Airlines has apologized to a blind woman from Vancouver
>>>>>>>>>>> Island
>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>> was abandoned on an empty plane in Chicago.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Jessica Cabot of Courtenay, B.C., made headlines this week after
>>>>>>>>>>> she
>>>>>>>>>>> went
>>>>>>>>>>> public about being forgotten in an empty United Airlines plane on
>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>> April 7
>>>>>>>>>>> stopover in Chicago.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> The 18-year-old was waiting for flight attendants to escort her to
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> connecting flight to Florida when she heard the plane door seal
>>>>>>>>>>> shut.
>>>>>>>>>>> Ten
>>>>>>>>>>> minutes later two maintenance staff happened to find her on an
>>>>>>>>>>> unscheduled
>>>>>>>>>>> check of the plane.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> She panicked in the plane, calling for help.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> After a series of complaints, Cabot received a $250 airline
>>>>>>>>>>> voucher
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> promise of an apology. Five weeks after her flight and a series of
>>>>>>>>>>> news
>>>>>>>>>>> stories later, she finally got one.
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> "They just called," said Cabot, on the phone from Jacksonville,
>>>>>>>>>>> Fla.,
>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>> she is visiting her fiance. "I can't even count how many times
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>>>>>>> sorry."
>>> 
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From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 25 15:21:12 2010
From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 08:21:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation History
In-Reply-To: <6060E053-F421-4C76-9A92-26D43EC30797@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <461857.64511.qm@web53806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

One time when changing planes at Saint Louis airport, the person who was suppose to assist me came with a wheelchair and I like you and like I always do said that I do need a wheelchair. I to got the responce that he can not take me unless I take a wheelchair. The plane was de-boarding us and picking up other passengers for the next distanation. The gate agent was busy boarding the next flight and said to me "will you just sit in the wheelchair"? Since I did not want to make a seen and since he was busy I went ahead and did just that. But a vary interesting thing happened! As soon as we left the gate, the person pushing the wheelchair said "you did not want to sit in the wheelchair and they forced you to"? I said yes. He said "we depend on tips and I know you will not tip me since you did not ask for it". He turned around and took me back to the gate and told the same agent that I did not want to sit in a wheelchair and they rely on tips and I was not
 going to give him a tip. The agent had to call a airline employee and ask them to walk me to the gate where my next flight was. This was great because the wheelchair person was the person who came to my rescue and I did not even have to give a tip since it was a airline employee assisting me and they are not allowed to except tips.
Just out of wonder, can the airline make you sit in a wheelchair if you do not want to? Perhaps this is another issue the NFB can work on. The airports use the same staff the department who is assisting people with special needs which is usually wheelchair people and thats why they always have a wheelchair. Perhaps when the passengers let it be known that they are blind, they should just have someone to basically walk us to our next gate.
Was is your thoughts?
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller


--- On Fri, 6/25/10, Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation History
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 9:51 AM
> One time I got to the Atlanta
> airport, and had 45 minutes to make it to my next flight.
> The person that was supposed to assist me came relatively on
> time, with a wheelchair. I told him I didn't need or want a
> wheelchair, and he literally told me that if I didn't get on
> the chair, he wasn't taking me anywhere. Besides that, the
> guy seemed terribly scared of my guide dog. A passenger on
> my flight just told me that he was going just a couple of
> gates away from mine, so I just left with him and let the
> airport employee leave with his wheelchair to do whatever he
> had to do. I never took any action about this, just because
> I didn't have any time.
> On Jun 23, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote:
> 
> > (story below of being asked to leave a plane due to a
> safety breifing issue)
> > 
> > I don't think the blind should be categorically denied
> access to the
> > exit rows, and I agree with Steve Jacobson's
> comments.  It would be
> > interesting to talk with Steve about his experiences
> in the 80's and
> > 90's.
> > 
> > The airline and exit row issue was one of the main
> things that got me
> > interested in the NFB.
> > 
> > There is another less known about rule that was
> adopted by the FAA
> > initially at the same time that the initial ACAA Part
> 382 regulations
> > were adopted by DOT.  This little known about
> rule concerns certain
> > requirements that could imply that a blind person must
> receive an
> > individual safety briefing, on top of the general
> safety briefing that
> > is issued to all passengers.
> > 
> > We in the federation object to any sort of requirement
> that the blind
> > be subjected to some sort of additional compulsory
> safety briefing on
> > the basis of blindness.  If a blind person
> believes some kind of extra
> > breifing would be helpful to them, they can request
> it.  However, the
> > blind should not be required to receive an extra
> briefing soley based
> > on blindness.
> > 
> > Imagine if you will, if a blind person flew 3 times
> per week.  Believe
> > it or not, there are people that fly 3 times per
> week.  If you look at
> > this safety briefing notion, imagine then that in
> theory the blind
> > person that flys three times per week would have to
> receive some kind
> > of "extra" "special" briefing that nobody else is
> required to receive.
> > In fact,  the blind person that flys three times
> per week most likely
> > knows the particulars of the aircraft more than 95% of
> travelers.  It
> > is completely arbitrary and capricious to require
> blind people to
> > receive these special briefings soley based on ones
> blindness.
> > 
> > This discussion is also not just an academic one, or
> one just about
> > theories and philosophy, or some kind of table top
> exercise.
> > 
> > I fly on average about 2 to 4 times a month. 
> Fortunately, usually,
> > there is not a major issue with the safety briefings.
> > 
> > However, I took a flight on Monday June 21st where
> initially
> > immediately when I boarded, the flight attendant
> indicated that I
> > would have to receive a special briefing.  Where
> as with other
> > passengers, the flight attendants greeted them as they
> boarded, I was
> > initially "greeted," with the noted statement.
> > 
> > I told the flight attendant repeatedly that I did not
> want or need a
> > "special briefing," and he kept insisting that his
> manual said that he
> > was required by the FAA to provide such a breifing.
> > 
> > I asked for a CRO, Complaint Resolution Official, and
> then at least 1
> > agent and 2 supervisors became involved.
> > 
> > The agents and supervisors told the flight attendant
> that I was a
> > frequent flyer, and didn't needd a "special
> breifing."
> > 
> > Then one of the agents said that they would volunteer
> to fly on the
> > flight with me if this would make the flight attendant
> feel more
> > comfortable.  I told them that while this may
> have been well intended,
> > that it was not a good or solid solution to the
> problem.  I told them
> > I still wanted to speak to a CRO myself.
> > 
> > Now mind you all this was going on in the middle of a
> moderately full
> > flight, and again, at this point I was in my seat.
> > 
> > Then a CRO came to my seat, and said that I was to
> take my things and
> > come with her off the plane, and that they were going
> to rebook me on
> > another flight.  I asked her if they were going
> to compensate me, and
> > she said absolutely they would compensate me. 
> She did actually do
> > this in pretty much as quiet and as discretely a way
> as she could
> > have.
> > 
> > I don't know exactly what they would have done if I
> were to have told
> > them I was not going to get off the plane. 
> However, several of our
> > brothers and sisters in the NFB do have stories of
> telling "them" that
> > they would not get off the plane.
> > 
> > I chose to get off the plane because the flight
> attendant made me feel
> > uncomfortable and unwelcome, because I was confident
> these gate agents
> > were in fact going to do whatever they could do to
> help me, and
> > because in some wayys I did not want to find out what
> would happen if
> > I told them I would not get off.  But in other
> ways, I was curious
> > about it.
> > 
> > You have to remember also that, the way these FAA and
> DOT regulations
> > are written, because NFB did not get what we wanted,
> there may be
> > something the airline and flight attendant could use
> to try to say
> > that we qre required to receive the special
> briefing.  I am
> > researching the particulars of the applicable
> regulations.
> > 
> > Once we got off the plane, I told the gate agents I
> wanted them to
> > rebook me on another airline to a city closer to where
> I was going,
> > and they obliged without any objections or fuss or
> trouble.
> > 
> > Also for my compensation they issued a roundtrip
> flight voucher which
> > is this carriers usual compensation for a denied
> boarding situation.
> > Again they issued the compensation without any fuss or
> difficulty.
> > 
> > The next day, on my return flight, I ran in to the
> supervisor who had
> > asked me to leave the plane.  She said that they
> were going to have a
> > conference call with the station managers, the flight
> attendants duty
> > manager, and others and that likely "some action will
> be taken against
> > the flight attendant."
> > 
> > The CRO supervisor had the wherewithall to say that
> while the "manual"
> > might say that you always brief a blind passenger
> separately, that no
> > manual can account for every individual situation.
> > 
> > In conclusion it also really occurs to me that most
> blind people need
> > to learn more about the nuts and bolts of how airlines
> work, how to
> > deal with CRO's, etc.  The stories I hear are
> just crazy, eg, blind
> > people saying they were required to use a wheelchair
> or other odd
> > things.
> > 
> > If you  learn how the airlines work, learn how to
> work with your CRO,
> > if they get to know you at the airport, you really
> often can have a
> > good experience.
> > 
> > Working with a CRO, as I described it in an email
> yesterday to my
> > sister, is sort of a dance of carrots and sticks and
> give and take.
> > 
> > In general, the law does not require the airline or
> the CRO to make
> > your travel more comfortable, pleasant or for them to
> compensate you
> > or really work with you.  The regulations have a
> lot of requirements,
> > but a lot of them are administrative.  And if any
> dollars are to be
> > paid out, its usually fines a carrier would pay to the
> government.
> > That said, if the CRO wants to help you, they really
> can do a lot for
> > you, but again typically they aren't required
> too.  If they wanted to
> > make your life miserable, they could do that
> too...this would be
> > especially rellevant if you are a very frequent
> flyer.
> > 
> > There is also nothing to say you as the passenger have
> to make life
> > easy for the airline.  Your free to file a DOT
> complaint whenever they
> > screw up.  Almost always if a situation
> escallates to the point of
> > needing a CRO, they will screw up on some technicality
> of the
> > regulation and usually more than one.  When you
> file a compalint with
> > DOT it gets tagged against the carrier, and DOT
> completes an
> > investigation similar to that of when a member of
> congress makes an
> > inquiry to the agency.  Its a lot of paperwork
> for the airline and for
> > DOT, and there are very specific ways they have to
> handle the
> > complaint.  That said, if your satisfied that the
> CRO resolved an
> > issue for you, you don't have to file a DOT
> complaint.
> > 
> > Hopefully this gives people a few things to think
> about.  And we
> > really should do a seminar on how to deal with the
> airlines on a
> > really practical in the field sense and not just in
> theory.  We should
> > have some very frequent flyers and maybe a real CRO
> put the seminar
> > on.
> > 
> > Best,
> > Mika
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 5/27/10, Briley Pollard <brileyp at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> It is also important to note that everyone else
> who sits in those seats is
> >> only instructed to give it up if they "feel they
> are not willing or able to
> >> complete these tasks." Why should we not be
> permitted to use our own
> >> judgment on this matter? We should have to prove
> it to someone else? I
> >> should think not.
> >> 
> >> Briley
> >> On May 27, 2010, at 4:58 AM, Jedi wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Antonio,
> >>> 
> >>> It's kind of ridiculous that I should have to
> prove my capacity to open
> >>> the door to anyone much less you when sighted
> people don't have to. That's
> >>> the issue, isn't it? As you have already
> stated, there's no guarantee that
> >>> all sighted people are truly capable of
> opening the door, but it's enough
> >>> to know that they believe they can by virtue
> of the intelligence to figure
> >>> it out. Lest anyone think that a sighted
> person would be able to figure
> >>> out how to open the door by means of reading
> visual instructions, I should
> >>> point out that not all sighted people can
> understand diagrams of that sort
> >>> much less utilize them. Just a thought. If the
> cabin is dark or smoky,
> >>> visual instructions won't help anyone.
> >>> 
> >>> Respectfully,
> >>> Jedi
> >>> 
> >>> Original message:
> >>>> Hi,
> >>> 
> >>>> Jedi, I wonder how you find yourself more
> capable to open the door, and
> >>>> the
> >>>> slide ramp better than many people you
> know if you haven't actually had
> >>>> the
> >>>> experience of, thus the ability to learn
> to deal with the equipment
> >>>> before.
> >>> 
> >>>> Just as there are capable, and not so
> capable sighted people, many of
> >>>> whom
> >>>> can not open the door and the slide, there
> are many blind people who are
> >>>> not
> >>>> capable of performing the duties.
> >>> 
> >>>> I for one don't mind, and don't care to
> sit in exit sitting, as long as I
> >>>> can sit in a place more or less determined
> by me. That would mean I would
> >>>> not choose to sit in a bulk head seat.
> >>> 
> >>>> If the airline can pre-screen for likely
> liabilities, IE. blind passenger
> >>>> who can't see the handle for the ramp,
> they will. And if I can be seated
> >>>> in
> >>>> a reasonable fashion, and get to my
> destination without snag, I am fine,
> >>>> and
> >>>> feel treated fairly for the services the
> airline offers.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.
> >>> 
> >>>> Student, Western Governors University
> >>>> (617) 744-9716
> >>>> Eastern time zone
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> >>>> To: "National Association of Blind
> Students mailing list"
> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:18 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Airlines and
> Federation History
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>>> You make some very good points
> here.  I don't think that some are
> >>>>> realizing how little is really
> expected of most people who choose to sit
> >>>>> in an exit row.  One thing I
> >>>>> forgot to mention when I was writing
> about why we were as upset as we
> >>>>> were
> >>>>> about exit rows in the 80's is that
> there was a policy considered that
> >>>>> would have not
> >>>>> only prohibited us from sitting in
> exit rows, we would also have been
> >>>>> prohibited from the row in front of or
> behind an exit row.  That would
> >>>>> have excluded us from
> >>>>> quite a number of seats on some
> planes.
> >>> 
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>> 
> >>>>> Steve Jacobson
> >>> 
> >>>>> On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:24:46 -0400,
> Jedi wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>>>> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE read Walking
> Alone and Marching Together! Peter
> >>>>>> can't have given a better
> suggestion!
> >>> 
> >>>>>> Unfortunately folks, this is
> exactly the press that makes airlines
> >>>>>> think we can't do for ourselves
> thus asking us not to sit in emergency
> >>>>>> exits, asking us to preboard,
> asking us to deplane after everyone else,
> >>>>>> and altogether treating us as
> though we can't handle ourselves. For
> >>>>>> those who think the emergency exit
> row thing is not such a big deal and
> >>>>>> worth fighting over, let me remind
> you that a person as young as
> >>>>>> fifteen can sit there, a person
> served alcohol (either before boarding
> >>>>>> or on the plane) can sit there,
> and anyone who judges themselves (with
> >>>>>> the exceptions of the deaf, the
> blind, the non-English speaking, and
> >>>>>> the otherwise visibly disabled)
> can sit there. So basically, we're less
> >>>>>> competent, in the opinion of FFA,
> than a fifteen-year-old or a drunk.
> >>>>>> Others are allowed to judge their
> fitness for sitting there, but we
> >>>>>> cannot. Is that worth fighting
> about? Absolutely! Unfortunately, how
> >>>>>> society thinks of us in this
> context is very indicative of how society
> >>>>>> thinks of us in others. This might
> sound harsh, but it's unfortunately
> >>>>>> quite true. The bottom line here
> is that blind people are treated
> >>>>>> arbitrarily based on someone
> else's opinion of what we can do versus
> >>>>>> our own. Arbitrary treatment of
> this kind is not limited to disability
> >>>>>> in our past, but has also been
> used to separate People of Color from
> >>>>>> White folks back in the day and
> even now to an often invisible extent.
> >>>>>> That's why Federationists fought.
> Unfortunately, we did lose that
> >>>>>> battle, but that doesn't mean that
> we won't reserect it someday. I hope
> >>>>>> we do as I consider myself more
> capable of opening that exit than many
> >>>>>> sighted persons I know.
> >>> 
> >>>>>> Respectfully,
> >>>>>> Jedi
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>>>> Original message:
> >>>>>>> Hello Peter,
> >>> 
> >>>>>>> I must say that NFB's issues
> with the airlines are an excellent
> >>>>>>> example
> >>>>>>> of the need to pick battles
> one can actually win.
> >>> 
> >>>>>>> It is my thought that the
> fight over the exit row was ridiculous.
> >>> 
> >>>>>>> There's only one case where it
> might be a legitimate issue. That would
> >>>>>>> be if it resulted in a blind
> person actually being denied the trip.
> >>> 
> >>>>>>> If the blind person can be
> reseated or a sighted one is voluntarily
> >>>>>>> bumped in order to secure the
> blind person's equal rights in the case
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> a packed flight, then the
> matter is resolved IMHO.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>>>>> On 5/16/2010 11:50 AM, Peter
> Donahue wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hello Briley and
> everyone,
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>    If people
> would take the time to read Walking Alone and Marching
> >>>>>>>> Together they would learn
> of the federation's long struggle to secure
> >>>>>>>> equal
> >>>>>>>> access for the blind in
> air travel. It is a history filled with the
> >>>>>>>> kind of
> >>>>>>>> publicity and dribble that
> can result from incidents like this one,
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> much
> >>>>>>>> much more. Blind people
> had their canes taken away from them by
> >>>>>>>> airline
> >>>>>>>> personnel, were told they
> couldn't sit in seat rows other than the
> >>>>>>>> bulkhead
> >>>>>>>> if they used a guide dog,
> were told they needed to preboard and
> >>>>>>>> post-board,
> >>>>>>>> the list goes on. Read
> past issues of The Braille Monitor from the
> >>>>>>>> late
> >>>>>>>> 1980s and the early 1990s
> to get an idea of the kind of
> >>>>>>>> discrimination
> >>>>>>>> heaped on blind air
> passengers and why today we must still be on our
> >>>>>>>> guard
> >>>>>>>> when stories of this kind
> hit the media. Blind people were arrested
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> physically removed from
> planes and went to jail for doing nothing
> >>>>>>>> more
> >>>>>>>> than
> >>>>>>>> demanding to be treated
> like other passengers.
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>    We
> successfully closed down a US Airways ticket counter for
> >>>>>>>> several
> >>>>>>>> hours due to their
> demanding a blind person move from an emergency
> >>>>>>>> exit
> >>>>>>>> row;
> >>>>>>>> a seat he was assigned in
> the first place. The NFB held several
> >>>>>>>> protest
> >>>>>>>> against the FAA and the
> DOT due to their unwillingness to take a hand
> >>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>> remedying the
> discriminatory treatment we experienced at the hands of
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> airlines and still do. I
> know because I took part in several of these
> >>>>>>>> activities.
> >>>>>>>> Other types of air
> passengers now experience similar treatment. Large
> >>>>>>>> passengers are an example.
> The NFB can teach the flying public a
> >>>>>>>> thing
> >>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>> two about fighting the
> horrible treatment now experienced all too
> >>>>>>>> often.
> >>>>>>>> They just need to learn to
> stop, as Dr. Maurer put it in 1986,
> >>>>>>>> "Sitting
> >>>>>>>> down
> >>>>>>>> and shutting up!"We as
> federationists need to remember these
> >>>>>>>> struggles
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> not take the freedom of
> travel we now have for granted. These
> >>>>>>>> nabsters
> >>>>>>>> aren't just squealing over
> nothing but are remembering our past and
> >>>>>>>> upholding our legacy of
> collective action by reacting the way they
> >>>>>>>> are.
> >>>>>>>> All
> >>>>>>>> the best.
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message
> -----
> >>>>>>>> From: "Briley
> Pollard"<brileyp at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> To: "National Association
> of Blind Students mailing list"
> >>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010
> 9:39 AM
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd:
> [Members] Airline apologizes for
> >>>>>>>> forgetting
> >>>>>>>> blindteen
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>> Valory,
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>> Again, the reason this is
> upsetting is A, this girl, (from the way it
> >>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>> portrayed), isn't
> comfortable enough with herself to stand up for her
> >>>>>>>> rights, and B, (the
> biggest issue), how we're portrayed in the media.
> >>>>>>>> What
> >>>>>>>> is said about one of us is
> perceived to be a definition of all of us.
> >>>>>>>> Media
> >>>>>>>> coverage of us is so often
> negative and condescending, and yes, it
> >>>>>>>> does
> >>>>>>>> upset me, and yes it does
> push me to speak up about how this is not
> >>>>>>>> acceptable.
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>> Briley
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>> On May 15, 2010, at 10:15
> PM, Valerie Gibson wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>> I agree.  Seems
> to quick to point out someone else's fault and
> >>>>>>>>> become
> >>>>>>>>> indignant for all over
> one person's actions.
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>> There's just not
> enough imformation in the article to make such
> >>>>>>>>> judgement
> >>>>>>>>> calls.  We can
> only say what we would do in that situation, and
> >>>>>>>>> while
> >>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>> don't know this girl's
> background or mental capabilities it seems
> >>>>>>>>> unfair
> >>>>>>>>> to point fingers.
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Perhaps she did not
> know that there are organisations like the NFB
> >>>>>>>>> who
> >>>>>>>>> could help her.
> Perhaps she has been told all of her life that she
> >>>>>>>>> needs
> >>>>>>>>> sighted help in
> everything.
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>> We've all been in a
> position where we did not know how to do things,
> >>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> judging that you have
> found this mailing list, you've found the NFB
> >>>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>> well as a sense of
> endependance.   Not everyone has done so.
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>> Does it look bad for
> the blind community? Yes.
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>> But how's this for a
> solution: try and find this girl and tell her
> >>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>> there are places where
> she can learn a bit of independance.
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>> On May 15, 2010, at
> 8:33 PM, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Hello Sarah and
> all,
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> I think we may
> want to exercise care before judging this situation
> >>>>>>>>>> too
> >>>>>>>>>> quickly.
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> Many times while
> traveling by air, flight attendants have asked
> >>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>> wait until the
> plane has emptied before leaving. Sometimes I do
> >>>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> sometimes I
> don't.
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> If Jessica were
> asked to wait, then she were forgotten, then she
> >>>>>>>>>> certainly does
> have a very legitimate complaint here.
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> We also need to
> keep in mind that members of the blind community
> >>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>> wide ranging
> capabilities and other disabilities with which they
> >>>>>>>>>> must
> >>>>>>>>>> cope.
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> As always, this
> just comes down to the fact we all must exercise
> >>>>>>>>>> our
> >>>>>>>>>> due
> >>>>>>>>>> diligence while
> performing our jobs to avoid problems of this sort.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2010 4:19
> PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> I think she
> should have gotten off the plain by her self. How hard
> >>>>>>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>>>>>> that be?
> just  get off and turn right and go up the ramp thing
> and
> >>>>>>>>>>> turn
> >>>>>>>>>>> left and get
> out and then wait for your escort. but here's the
> >>>>>>>>>>> story.
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> Airline
> apologizes for forgetting blind teen
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> Edmonton
> Journal , May 15, 2010
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> United
> Airlines has apologized to a blind woman from Vancouver
> >>>>>>>>>>> Island
> >>>>>>>>>>> who
> >>>>>>>>>>> was abandoned
> on an empty plane in Chicago.
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> Jessica Cabot
> of Courtenay, B.C., made headlines this week after
> >>>>>>>>>>> she
> >>>>>>>>>>> went
> >>>>>>>>>>> public about
> being forgotten in an empty United Airlines plane on
> >>>>>>>>>>> an
> >>>>>>>>>>> April 7
> >>>>>>>>>>> stopover in
> Chicago.
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> The
> 18-year-old was waiting for flight attendants to escort her
> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>>> connecting
> flight to Florida when she heard the plane door seal
> >>>>>>>>>>> shut.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Ten
> >>>>>>>>>>> minutes later
> two maintenance staff happened to find her on an
> >>>>>>>>>>> unscheduled
> >>>>>>>>>>> check of the
> plane.
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> She panicked
> in the plane, calling for help.
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> After a series
> of complaints, Cabot received a $250 airline
> >>>>>>>>>>> voucher
> >>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> promise of an
> apology. Five weeks after her flight and a series of
> >>>>>>>>>>> news
> >>>>>>>>>>> stories later,
> she finally got one.
> >>> 
> >>>>>>>>>>> "They just
> called," said Cabot, on the phone from Jacksonville,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Fla.,
> >>>>>>>>>>> where
> >>>>>>>>>>> she is
> visiting her fiance. "I can't even count how many times
> >>>>>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>> said
> >>>>>>>>>>> sorry."
> >>> 
> >>> 
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Fri Jun 25 17:22:07 2010
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:22:07 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Amtrak and bus company sites giving me a hard time,
	... how much does 	it cost?
Message-ID: <AANLkTimQgF47wCyiOi8v0AIveX_wzj29NS-euhJMFs_Z@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, guys.  I've been lately trying to find out how much it would cost
me to get from Denver to St. Louis, but not by plane since it's so
darned expensive.  I tried the Amtrak site, but it looks like I'll
have to transfer in Chicago.  I don't know exactly how to do the fares
thing on the web.  The Greyhound site likes to mess up my computer
AND, as luck would have it, the desktop I am composing this email on,
located somewhere at CCB.  So if there's any suggestions I should
take, please write me off list.  Thanks.
Beth


From aadkins7 at verizon.net  Fri Jun 25 17:25:28 2010
From: aadkins7 at verizon.net (Anita Adkins)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:25:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness Blog is posted
Message-ID: <FA6BCF2C427D462181ACEA6924EB32FB@AnitaAdkinsPC>

The Blindness Blog will be posted each Friday.  Helping Your Child Succeed has been posted for June 25.  Just FYI.
www.blindnessblog.blogspot.com
  Anita
Remember, Jesus Loves You.
Anita Adkins

From jsorozco at gmail.com  Fri Jun 25 17:38:29 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:38:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Amtrak and bus company sites giving me a hard time,
	... how much does 	it cost?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimQgF47wCyiOi8v0AIveX_wzj29NS-euhJMFs_Z@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimQgF47wCyiOi8v0AIveX_wzj29NS-euhJMFs_Z@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <713457E2BF7147AF9E69C9E6050632C7@Rufus>

My method of dealing with travel websites is picking up the phone, having
the agent do the research for me so that later I can just go to the website,
plug in the data and take advantage of the online discounts.  I don't always
have time to navigate the sometimes confusing layouts of airlines and
trains, and so this method has usually gone a long way toward minimizing
unnecessary frustrations.  There are times when I can talk the agent into
waiving the telephone fees and selling me a ticket at the same rate as I
would have gotten by going to the website myself.  This may not seem like
the most independent method possible, and if I have more time to plan my
schedule I don't mind sifting through several windows to compare prices and
departure times.  Time is money.  I'd just assume take steps to maximize
both.

Best,

Joe Orozco

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 1:22 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Amtrak and bus company sites giving me a hard 
time,... how much does it cost?

Hi, guys.  I've been lately trying to find out how much it would cost
me to get from Denver to St. Louis, but not by plane since it's so
darned expensive.  I tried the Amtrak site, but it looks like I'll
have to transfer in Chicago.  I don't know exactly how to do the fares
thing on the web.  The Greyhound site likes to mess up my computer
AND, as luck would have it, the desktop I am composing this email on,
located somewhere at CCB.  So if there's any suggestions I should
take, please write me off list.  Thanks.
Beth

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 25 17:49:34 2010
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:49:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Amtrak and bus company sites giving me a hard time,
	... how much does 	it cost?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimQgF47wCyiOi8v0AIveX_wzj29NS-euhJMFs_Z@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimQgF47wCyiOi8v0AIveX_wzj29NS-euhJMFs_Z@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W590678B27F3A85B0E3720FBAC70@phx.gbl>


The number for Amtrak is 800-872-7245 and the number for Greyhound is 800-231-2222. You can check on schedules, find out price information, and make a reservation through either one of these phone numbers.
 
Elizabeth
 

> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:22:07 -0600
> From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Amtrak and bus company sites giving me a hard time, ... how much does it cost?
> 
> Hi, guys. I've been lately trying to find out how much it would cost
> me to get from Denver to St. Louis, but not by plane since it's so
> darned expensive. I tried the Amtrak site, but it looks like I'll
> have to transfer in Chicago. I don't know exactly how to do the fares
> thing on the web. The Greyhound site likes to mess up my computer
> AND, as luck would have it, the desktop I am composing this email on,
> located somewhere at CCB. So if there's any suggestions I should
> take, please write me off list. Thanks.
> Beth
> 
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Fri Jun 25 17:51:08 2010
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:51:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [rehab] Fwd: announcement: Especially for
 students	andinternational
Message-ID: <20100625175108.17065.62929@web3>

Is this available every year? I'd like to do it, but I've already 
committed myself to getting a cane travel degree, so I'd like to 
consider this option after I've done so.

Respectfully,
Jedi

Original message:
> I think this is a good opertunity for students. RJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dick Davis" <ddavis at blindinc.org>
> To: "'Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List'" <rehab at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [rehab] Fwd: announcement: Especially for students
> andinternational


>> Hi,
>> I wish I were a lot younger, because I would love to attend this school.
>> You may not know this, but IISE is a spinoff of Braille Without Borders,
>> which was founded by Sabriye Tenberken, a blind German woman who invented
>> Tibetan Braille and opened Tibet's first and only center for the blind in
>> Lhasa.  She was joined by Paul Kronenberg, who ultimately became more than
>> a
>> friend. I first learned of her last year when we were doing the Braille
>> coins at some local bookstores.  One of the managers brought me her book
>> and
>> asked if I'd read it, and I was embarrassed to say I hadn't.  Her school
>> in
>> Tibet was featured in Eric Weihenmayer's film documentary "Blindsight",
>> which many of you have probably seen. In 2005 she was nominated for the
>> Nobel Peace Prize.  She is one of the world's most interesting blind
>> people,
>> and it would be great if we could have her speak at our convention
>> sometime.
>> Check out her website at www.braillewithoutborders.org.
>> Dick Davis
>> BLIND, Inc.

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of David Andrews
>> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:04 PM
>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [rehab] Fwd: announcement: Especially for students and
>> international



>>> Do you have a dream of starting and leading your own social project?
>>> Do you want to make a difference in the lives of others? If your answer
>>> is yes, then The International Institute for Social Entrepreneurs
>>> (IISE), in Kerala, India, is the study program for you.

>>> Taught by international experts in the field of management and social
>>> entrepreneurship, IISE empowers visionaries to set up projects across
>>> the world that address the needs of the underprivileged. IISE
>>> participants are challenged to become individuals whose skills,
>>> integrity and leadership qualities prepare them to become effective and
>>> distinguished social entrepreneurs in their communities and in the
>>> world.

>>> IISE is seeking highly motivated and committed candidates who have
>>> overcome obstacles in their life, have an interest in learning and
>>> working with different cultures, and who have a dream to realize. If
>>> you are twenty-two years or older and can speak, read and write
>>> English, you are invited to apply for this one-year scholarship-based
>> program.

>>> Leadership, management, public speaking and fund raising are some of
>>> the skills you will learn. This hands-on program includes an internship
>>> which provides practical real-world experience.

>>> You will leave IISE with all the skills necessary to be able to set up
>>> your own social project.

>>> Applicants for the training need the following skills and qualities:
>>> - Creativity, dedication, motivation, be an innovative problem solver.
>>> - For those who are blind or visually impaired: reading and
>>>   writing enlarged print or English Braille (grade 2)
>>> - Ability to communicate well in English.
>>>   (All sessions and workshops are conducted in English)

>>> Students at the IISE are referred to as participants. They are coached
>>> by catalysts who stimulate, encourage and challenge participants to
>>> help accelerate their learning and ensure personal development.

>>> The IISE is a unique institution with a distinctive philosophy, which
>>> cannot be compared to a university or other conventional academic
>>> entities. The institute is a 'think and action tank' where talented
>>> visionaries from all over the world exchange knowledge and experiences
>>> and work together as a team for the realisation of their visions and
>>> dreams.

>>> Every IISE participant is an active, contributing, independent,
>>> self-confident and skilled person who possesses expertise in different
>>> fields. As a potential participant, you are therefore not coming to the
>>> IISE as a student, but as an expert.
>>> The expectation of participant's participation and commitment to the
>>> program is very high. To this end, before proceeding to the application
>>> process, ask yourself the following questions:

>>>     * Am I willing to spend 11 months of my life in a developing
>>> country, working intensively on developing my social entrepreneurship
>>> and leadership skills?
>>>     * Am I willing to participate in all activities, giving my best
>>> every time in terms of my knowledge, experience, effort creativity and
>> talent?
>>>     * Am I willing to help others achieve their goals and develop
>>> their skills in the areas which I consider myself an expert?
>>>     * Am I willing to come to the institute with a spirit of
>>> integrity, mutual respect, exchange, contribution and teamwork?
>>>     * Am I 100% committed to making my goals, dreams, vision and
>>> social project come true, continuing even after I complete the program?

>>> If you answered YES to all the above questions, you are a potential
>>> candidate and we would encourage you to apply for the IISE program.

>>> Join IISE and impact your future and that of others. Visit
>>> www.bwb-iise.org and/or email your inquiries to BrailleWB at gmx.net .
>>> You may also fax us your questions at  or write us via regular post at:

>>> Braille Without Borders International Institute for Social
>>> Entrepreneurs c/o P. Kronenberg Vivekanenda Nagar, Vellayani, Ookode,
>>> Nemom PO, TRV 695020 KERALA, INDIA

>>> Deadline for applications for the 2011 course is the 30th of June, 2010.


>>                         David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com Follow me on
>> Twitter:  http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Fri Jun 25 17:53:05 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:53:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Online Privacy Survey
Message-ID: <5E59923AC63C496AB8589D540369160C@Rufus>

Dear all,

Our office is currently exploring ways to engage disability groups in the
evaluation of accessibility features at popular websites.  We are involved
in active discussions with Facebook about their privacy settings, many of
our recommendations already having been implemented, and we hope to use the
momentum of these discussions to spearhead talks about accessibility.
Please help us cement our privacy concerns by taking this brief survey.
Your input is very much appreciated and will hopefully be a great starting
point with talks of accessible websites in the very near future.  My
employer has not generally concentrated on the disability community as part
of its work, and I hope that feedback from you guys will help it make
accessibility issues a more prominent part of our activities.  The survey
can be found at:

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/online_privacy

Sincerely,

Joe Orozco



From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 25 17:54:48 2010
From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 10:54:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [rehab] Fwd: announcement: Especially for students
	andinternational
In-Reply-To: <20100625175108.17065.62929@web3>
Message-ID: <785354.98394.qm@web53801.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

A cane travel degree? What is that? It sounds like they do it every year.
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller


--- On Fri, 6/25/10, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net> wrote:

> From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [rehab] Fwd: announcement: Especially for students andinternational
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 12:51 PM
> Is this available every year? I'd
> like to do it, but I've already committed myself to getting
> a cane travel degree, so I'd like to consider this option
> after I've done so.
> 
> Respectfully,
> Jedi
> 
> Original message:
> > I think this is a good opertunity for students. RJ
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dick Davis" <ddavis at blindinc.org>
> > To: "'Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List'" <rehab at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: [rehab] Fwd: announcement: Especially for
> students
> > andinternational
> 
> 
> >> Hi,
> >> I wish I were a lot younger, because I would love
> to attend this school.
> >> You may not know this, but IISE is a spinoff of
> Braille Without Borders,
> >> which was founded by Sabriye Tenberken, a blind
> German woman who invented
> >> Tibetan Braille and opened Tibet's first and only
> center for the blind in
> >> Lhasa.  She was joined by Paul Kronenberg,
> who ultimately became more than
> >> a
> >> friend. I first learned of her last year when we
> were doing the Braille
> >> coins at some local bookstores.  One of the
> managers brought me her book
> >> and
> >> asked if I'd read it, and I was embarrassed to say
> I hadn't.  Her school
> >> in
> >> Tibet was featured in Eric Weihenmayer's film
> documentary "Blindsight",
> >> which many of you have probably seen. In 2005 she
> was nominated for the
> >> Nobel Peace Prize.  She is one of the world's
> most interesting blind
> >> people,
> >> and it would be great if we could have her speak
> at our convention
> >> sometime.
> >> Check out her website at
> www.braillewithoutborders.org.
> >> Dick Davis
> >> BLIND, Inc.
> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf
> >> Of David Andrews
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:04 PM
> >> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> >> Subject: [rehab] Fwd: announcement: Especially for
> students and
> >> international
> 
> 
> 
> >>> Do you have a dream of starting and leading
> your own social project?
> >>> Do you want to make a difference in the lives
> of others? If your answer
> >>> is yes, then The International Institute for
> Social Entrepreneurs
> >>> (IISE), in Kerala, India, is the study program
> for you.
> 
> >>> Taught by international experts in the field
> of management and social
> >>> entrepreneurship, IISE empowers visionaries to
> set up projects across
> >>> the world that address the needs of the
> underprivileged. IISE
> >>> participants are challenged to become
> individuals whose skills,
> >>> integrity and leadership qualities prepare
> them to become effective and
> >>> distinguished social entrepreneurs in their
> communities and in the
> >>> world.
> 
> >>> IISE is seeking highly motivated and committed
> candidates who have
> >>> overcome obstacles in their life, have an
> interest in learning and
> >>> working with different cultures, and who have
> a dream to realize. If
> >>> you are twenty-two years or older and can
> speak, read and write
> >>> English, you are invited to apply for this
> one-year scholarship-based
> >> program.
> 
> >>> Leadership, management, public speaking and
> fund raising are some of
> >>> the skills you will learn. This hands-on
> program includes an internship
> >>> which provides practical real-world
> experience.
> 
> >>> You will leave IISE with all the skills
> necessary to be able to set up
> >>> your own social project.
> 
> >>> Applicants for the training need the following
> skills and qualities:
> >>> - Creativity, dedication, motivation, be an
> innovative problem solver.
> >>> - For those who are blind or visually
> impaired: reading and
> >>>   writing enlarged print or
> English Braille (grade 2)
> >>> - Ability to communicate well in English.
> >>>   (All sessions and workshops
> are conducted in English)
> 
> >>> Students at the IISE are referred to as
> participants. They are coached
> >>> by catalysts who stimulate, encourage and
> challenge participants to
> >>> help accelerate their learning and ensure
> personal development.
> 
> >>> The IISE is a unique institution with a
> distinctive philosophy, which
> >>> cannot be compared to a university or other
> conventional academic
> >>> entities. The institute is a 'think and action
> tank' where talented
> >>> visionaries from all over the world exchange
> knowledge and experiences
> >>> and work together as a team for the
> realisation of their visions and
> >>> dreams.
> 
> >>> Every IISE participant is an active,
> contributing, independent,
> >>> self-confident and skilled person who
> possesses expertise in different
> >>> fields. As a potential participant, you are
> therefore not coming to the
> >>> IISE as a student, but as an expert.
> >>> The expectation of participant's participation
> and commitment to the
> >>> program is very high. To this end, before
> proceeding to the application
> >>> process, ask yourself the following
> questions:
> 
> >>>     * Am I willing to
> spend 11 months of my life in a developing
> >>> country, working intensively on developing my
> social entrepreneurship
> >>> and leadership skills?
> >>>     * Am I willing to
> participate in all activities, giving my best
> >>> every time in terms of my knowledge,
> experience, effort creativity and
> >> talent?
> >>>     * Am I willing to help
> others achieve their goals and develop
> >>> their skills in the areas which I consider
> myself an expert?
> >>>     * Am I willing to come
> to the institute with a spirit of
> >>> integrity, mutual respect, exchange,
> contribution and teamwork?
> >>>     * Am I 100% committed
> to making my goals, dreams, vision and
> >>> social project come true, continuing even
> after I complete the program?
> 
> >>> If you answered YES to all the above
> questions, you are a potential
> >>> candidate and we would encourage you to apply
> for the IISE program.
> 
> >>> Join IISE and impact your future and that of
> others. Visit
> >>> www.bwb-iise.org and/or email your inquiries
> to BrailleWB at gmx.net
> .
> >>> You may also fax us your questions at  or
> write us via regular post at:
> 
> >>> Braille Without Borders International
> Institute for Social
> >>> Entrepreneurs c/o P. Kronenberg Vivekanenda
> Nagar, Vellayani, Ookode,
> >>> Nemom PO, TRV 695020 KERALA, INDIA
> 
> >>> Deadline for applications for the 2011 course
> is the 30th of June, 2010.
> 
> 
> >>             
>            David
> Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
> Follow me on
> >> Twitter:  http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920
> >> _______________________________________________
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Fri Jun 25 18:00:43 2010
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:00:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [rehab] Fwd: announcement: Especially for
 students	andinternational
Message-ID: <20100625180043.17075.30287@web3>

It's the NOMC program (Orientation and Mobility) program at Louisiana 
Tech. I've had my heart set on it for a while and am making 
preparations to attend, so I'm feeling pretty committed at the moment. 
but like I said, this opportunity also sounds amazing.

Respectfully,
Jedi

Original message:
> A cane travel degree? What is that? It sounds like they do it every year.
> Anmol
> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. 
> Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, 
> like a breeze among flowers.
> Hellen Keller


> --- On Fri, 6/25/10, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net> wrote:

>> From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [rehab] Fwd: announcement: Especially for 
>> students andinternational
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 12:51 PM
>> Is this available every year? I'd
>> like to do it, but I've already committed myself to getting
>> a cane travel degree, so I'd like to consider this option
>> after I've done so.

>> Respectfully,
>> Jedi

>> Original message:
>>> I think this is a good opertunity for students. RJ
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Dick Davis" <ddavis at blindinc.org>
>>> To: "'Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List'" <rehab at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:23 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [rehab] Fwd: announcement: Especially for
>> students
>>> andinternational


>>>> Hi,
>>>> I wish I were a lot younger, because I would love
>> to attend this school.
>>>> You may not know this, but IISE is a spinoff of
>> Braille Without Borders,
>>>> which was founded by Sabriye Tenberken, a blind
>> German woman who invented
>>>> Tibetan Braille and opened Tibet's first and only
>> center for the blind in
>>>> Lhasa.  She was joined by Paul Kronenberg,
>> who ultimately became more than
>>>> a
>>>> friend. I first learned of her last year when we
>> were doing the Braille
>>>> coins at some local bookstores.  One of the
>> managers brought me her book
>>>> and
>>>> asked if I'd read it, and I was embarrassed to say
>> I hadn't.  Her school
>>>> in
>>>> Tibet was featured in Eric Weihenmayer's film
>> documentary "Blindsight",
>>>> which many of you have probably seen. In 2005 she
>> was nominated for the
>>>> Nobel Peace Prize.  She is one of the world's
>> most interesting blind
>>>> people,
>>>> and it would be great if we could have her speak
>> at our convention
>>>> sometime.
>>>> Check out her website at
>> www.braillewithoutborders.org.
>>>> Dick Davis
>>>> BLIND, Inc.

>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> On Behalf
>>>> Of David Andrews
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:04 PM
>>>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>>>> Subject: [rehab] Fwd: announcement: Especially for
>> students and
>>>> international



>>>>> Do you have a dream of starting and leading
>> your own social project?
>>>>> Do you want to make a difference in the lives
>> of others? If your answer
>>>>> is yes, then The International Institute for
>> Social Entrepreneurs
>>>>> (IISE), in Kerala, India, is the study program
>> for you.

>>>>> Taught by international experts in the field
>> of management and social
>>>>> entrepreneurship, IISE empowers visionaries to
>> set up projects across
>>>>> the world that address the needs of the
>> underprivileged. IISE
>>>>> participants are challenged to become
>> individuals whose skills,
>>>>> integrity and leadership qualities prepare
>> them to become effective and
>>>>> distinguished social entrepreneurs in their
>> communities and in the
>>>>> world.

>>>>> IISE is seeking highly motivated and committed
>> candidates who have
>>>>> overcome obstacles in their life, have an
>> interest in learning and
>>>>> working with different cultures, and who have
>> a dream to realize. If
>>>>> you are twenty-two years or older and can
>> speak, read and write
>>>>> English, you are invited to apply for this
>> one-year scholarship-based
>>>> program.

>>>>> Leadership, management, public speaking and
>> fund raising are some of
>>>>> the skills you will learn. This hands-on
>> program includes an internship
>>>>> which provides practical real-world
>> experience.

>>>>> You will leave IISE with all the skills
>> necessary to be able to set up
>>>>> your own social project.

>>>>> Applicants for the training need the following
>> skills and qualities:
>>>>> - Creativity, dedication, motivation, be an
>> innovative problem solver.
>>>>> - For those who are blind or visually
>> impaired: reading and
>>>>>    writing enlarged print or
>> English Braille (grade 2)
>>>>> - Ability to communicate well in English.
>>>>>    (All sessions and workshops
>> are conducted in English)

>>>>> Students at the IISE are referred to as
>> participants. They are coached
>>>>> by catalysts who stimulate, encourage and
>> challenge participants to
>>>>> help accelerate their learning and ensure
>> personal development.

>>>>> The IISE is a unique institution with a
>> distinctive philosophy, which
>>>>> cannot be compared to a university or other
>> conventional academic
>>>>> entities. The institute is a 'think and action
>> tank' where talented
>>>>> visionaries from all over the world exchange
>> knowledge and experiences
>>>>> and work together as a team for the
>> realisation of their visions and
>>>>> dreams.

>>>>> Every IISE participant is an active,
>> contributing, independent,
>>>>> self-confident and skilled person who
>> possesses expertise in different
>>>>> fields. As a potential participant, you are
>> therefore not coming to the
>>>>> IISE as a student, but as an expert.
>>>>> The expectation of participant's participation
>> and commitment to the
>>>>> program is very high. To this end, before
>> proceeding to the application
>>>>> process, ask yourself the following
>> questions:

>>>>>      * Am I willing to
>> spend 11 months of my life in a developing
>>>>> country, working intensively on developing my
>> social entrepreneurship
>>>>> and leadership skills?
>>>>>      * Am I willing to
>> participate in all activities, giving my best
>>>>> every time in terms of my knowledge,
>> experience, effort creativity and
>>>> talent?
>>>>>      * Am I willing to help
>> others achieve their goals and develop
>>>>> their skills in the areas which I consider
>> myself an expert?
>>>>>      * Am I willing to come
>> to the institute with a spirit of
>>>>> integrity, mutual respect, exchange,
>> contribution and teamwork?
>>>>>      * Am I 100% committed
>> to making my goals, dreams, vision and
>>>>> social project come true, continuing even
>> after I complete the program?

>>>>> If you answered YES to all the above
>> questions, you are a potential
>>>>> candidate and we would encourage you to apply
>> for the IISE program.

>>>>> Join IISE and impact your future and that of
>> others. Visit
>>>>> www.bwb-iise.org and/or email your inquiries
>> to BrailleWB at gmx.net
>> .
>>>>> You may also fax us your questions at  or
>> write us via regular post at:

>>>>> Braille Without Borders International
>> Institute for Social
>>>>> Entrepreneurs c/o P. Kronenberg Vivekanenda
>> Nagar, Vellayani, Ookode,
>>>>> Nemom PO, TRV 695020 KERALA, INDIA

>>>>> Deadline for applications for the 2011 course
>> is the 30th of June, 2010.



>>            David
>> Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
>> Follow me on
>>>> Twitter:  http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> rehab at nfbnet.org
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From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 25 18:12:20 2010
From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:12:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [rehab] Fwd: announcement: Especially for students
	andinternational
In-Reply-To: <20100625180043.17075.30287@web3>
Message-ID: <715504.34777.qm@web53803.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

That is interesting. Are you legally blind? I completely understand but maybe you can apply for future.
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller


--- On Fri, 6/25/10, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net> wrote:

> From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [rehab] Fwd: announcement: Especially for students andinternational
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 1:00 PM
> It's the NOMC program (Orientation
> and Mobility) program at Louisiana Tech. I've had my heart
> set on it for a while and am making preparations to attend,
> so I'm feeling pretty committed at the moment. but like I
> said, this opportunity also sounds amazing.
> 
> Respectfully,
> Jedi
> 
> Original message:
> > A cane travel degree? What is that? It sounds like
> they do it every year.
> > Anmol
> > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
> make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at
> times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
> > Hellen Keller
> 
> 
> > --- On Fri, 6/25/10, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
> wrote:
> 
> >> From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [rehab] Fwd:
> announcement: Especially for students andinternational
> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 12:51 PM
> >> Is this available every year? I'd
> >> like to do it, but I've already committed myself
> to getting
> >> a cane travel degree, so I'd like to consider this
> option
> >> after I've done so.
> 
> >> Respectfully,
> >> Jedi
> 
> >> Original message:
> >>> I think this is a good opertunity for
> students. RJ
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Dick Davis" <ddavis at blindinc.org>
> >>> To: "'Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List'"
> <rehab at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:23 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [rehab] Fwd: announcement:
> Especially for
> >> students
> >>> andinternational
> 
> 
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>> I wish I were a lot younger, because I
> would love
> >> to attend this school.
> >>>> You may not know this, but IISE is a
> spinoff of
> >> Braille Without Borders,
> >>>> which was founded by Sabriye Tenberken, a
> blind
> >> German woman who invented
> >>>> Tibetan Braille and opened Tibet's first
> and only
> >> center for the blind in
> >>>> Lhasa.  She was joined by Paul
> Kronenberg,
> >> who ultimately became more than
> >>>> a
> >>>> friend. I first learned of her last year
> when we
> >> were doing the Braille
> >>>> coins at some local bookstores.  One of
> the
> >> managers brought me her book
> >>>> and
> >>>> asked if I'd read it, and I was
> embarrassed to say
> >> I hadn't.  Her school
> >>>> in
> >>>> Tibet was featured in Eric Weihenmayer's
> film
> >> documentary "Blindsight",
> >>>> which many of you have probably seen. In
> 2005 she
> >> was nominated for the
> >>>> Nobel Peace Prize.  She is one of the
> world's
> >> most interesting blind
> >>>> people,
> >>>> and it would be great if we could have her
> speak
> >> at our convention
> >>>> sometime.
> >>>> Check out her website at
> >> www.braillewithoutborders.org.
> >>>> Dick Davis
> >>>> BLIND, Inc.
> 
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> [mailto:rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >> On Behalf
> >>>> Of David Andrews
> >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:04 PM
> >>>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> >>>> Subject: [rehab] Fwd: announcement:
> Especially for
> >> students and
> >>>> international
> 
> 
> 
> >>>>> Do you have a dream of starting and
> leading
> >> your own social project?
> >>>>> Do you want to make a difference in
> the lives
> >> of others? If your answer
> >>>>> is yes, then The International
> Institute for
> >> Social Entrepreneurs
> >>>>> (IISE), in Kerala, India, is the study
> program
> >> for you.
> 
> >>>>> Taught by international experts in the
> field
> >> of management and social
> >>>>> entrepreneurship, IISE empowers
> visionaries to
> >> set up projects across
> >>>>> the world that address the needs of
> the
> >> underprivileged. IISE
> >>>>> participants are challenged to become
> >> individuals whose skills,
> >>>>> integrity and leadership qualities
> prepare
> >> them to become effective and
> >>>>> distinguished social entrepreneurs in
> their
> >> communities and in the
> >>>>> world.
> 
> >>>>> IISE is seeking highly motivated and
> committed
> >> candidates who have
> >>>>> overcome obstacles in their life, have
> an
> >> interest in learning and
> >>>>> working with different cultures, and
> who have
> >> a dream to realize. If
> >>>>> you are twenty-two years or older and
> can
> >> speak, read and write
> >>>>> English, you are invited to apply for
> this
> >> one-year scholarship-based
> >>>> program.
> 
> >>>>> Leadership, management, public
> speaking and
> >> fund raising are some of
> >>>>> the skills you will learn. This
> hands-on
> >> program includes an internship
> >>>>> which provides practical real-world
> >> experience.
> 
> >>>>> You will leave IISE with all the
> skills
> >> necessary to be able to set up
> >>>>> your own social project.
> 
> >>>>> Applicants for the training need the
> following
> >> skills and qualities:
> >>>>> - Creativity, dedication, motivation,
> be an
> >> innovative problem solver.
> >>>>> - For those who are blind or visually
> >> impaired: reading and
> >>>>>    writing enlarged print or
> >> English Braille (grade 2)
> >>>>> - Ability to communicate well in
> English.
> >>>>>    (All sessions and workshops
> >> are conducted in English)
> 
> >>>>> Students at the IISE are referred to
> as
> >> participants. They are coached
> >>>>> by catalysts who stimulate, encourage
> and
> >> challenge participants to
> >>>>> help accelerate their learning and
> ensure
> >> personal development.
> 
> >>>>> The IISE is a unique institution with
> a
> >> distinctive philosophy, which
> >>>>> cannot be compared to a university or
> other
> >> conventional academic
> >>>>> entities. The institute is a 'think
> and action
> >> tank' where talented
> >>>>> visionaries from all over the world
> exchange
> >> knowledge and experiences
> >>>>> and work together as a team for the
> >> realisation of their visions and
> >>>>> dreams.
> 
> >>>>> Every IISE participant is an active,
> >> contributing, independent,
> >>>>> self-confident and skilled person who
> >> possesses expertise in different
> >>>>> fields. As a potential participant,
> you are
> >> therefore not coming to the
> >>>>> IISE as a student, but as an expert.
> >>>>> The expectation of participant's
> participation
> >> and commitment to the
> >>>>> program is very high. To this end,
> before
> >> proceeding to the application
> >>>>> process, ask yourself the following
> >> questions:
> 
> >>>>>      * Am I willing to
> >> spend 11 months of my life in a developing
> >>>>> country, working intensively on
> developing my
> >> social entrepreneurship
> >>>>> and leadership skills?
> >>>>>      * Am I willing to
> >> participate in all activities, giving my best
> >>>>> every time in terms of my knowledge,
> >> experience, effort creativity and
> >>>> talent?
> >>>>>      * Am I willing to help
> >> others achieve their goals and develop
> >>>>> their skills in the areas which I
> consider
> >> myself an expert?
> >>>>>      * Am I willing to come
> >> to the institute with a spirit of
> >>>>> integrity, mutual respect, exchange,
> >> contribution and teamwork?
> >>>>>      * Am I 100% committed
> >> to making my goals, dreams, vision and
> >>>>> social project come true, continuing
> even
> >> after I complete the program?
> 
> >>>>> If you answered YES to all the above
> >> questions, you are a potential
> >>>>> candidate and we would encourage you
> to apply
> >> for the IISE program.
> 
> >>>>> Join IISE and impact your future and
> that of
> >> others. Visit
> >>>>> www.bwb-iise.org and/or email your
> inquiries
> >> to BrailleWB at gmx.net
> >> .
> >>>>> You may also fax us your questions
> at  or
> >> write us via regular post at:
> 
> >>>>> Braille Without Borders International
> >> Institute for Social
> >>>>> Entrepreneurs c/o P. Kronenberg
> Vivekanenda
> >> Nagar, Vellayani, Ookode,
> >>>>> Nemom PO, TRV 695020 KERALA, INDIA
> 
> >>>>> Deadline for applications for the 2011
> course
> >> is the 30th of June, 2010.
> 
> 
> 
> >>            David
> >> Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
> >> Follow me on
> >>>> Twitter:  http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920
> >>>>
> _______________________________________________
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Fri Jun 25 18:27:10 2010
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:27:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [rehab] Fwd: announcement: Especially for
 students	andinternational
Message-ID: <20100625182710.13938.14824@web1>

Well, most of us are legally blind, including those with no residual 
vision. but if you're asking whether or not I have some vision, my 
answer is that it really doesn't matter. This cane travel program I'm 
interested in is based in the notion that sight should not be a 
requirement for cane travel teachers and that, often, a blind teacher 
is preferable to a sighted one because blind people actually have to 
use the skills they teach on a regular basis. So if this program 
interests you, you can learn more about it by going to http://www.pdrib.com/ .

Respectfully,
Jedi

Original message:
> That is interesting. Are you legally blind? I completely understand but 
> maybe you can apply for future.
> Anmol
> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. 
> Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, 
> like a breeze among flowers.
> Hellen Keller


> --- On Fri, 6/25/10, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net> wrote:

>> From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [rehab] Fwd: announcement: Especially for 
>> students andinternational
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 1:00 PM
>> It's the NOMC program (Orientation
>> and Mobility) program at Louisiana Tech. I've had my heart
>> set on it for a while and am making preparations to attend,
>> so I'm feeling pretty committed at the moment. but like I
>> said, this opportunity also sounds amazing.

>> Respectfully,
>> Jedi

>> Original message:
>>> A cane travel degree? What is that? It sounds like
>> they do it every year.
>>> Anmol
>>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
>> make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at
>> times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
>>> Hellen Keller


>>> --- On Fri, 6/25/10, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
>> wrote:

>>>> From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [rehab] Fwd:
>> announcement: Especially for students andinternational
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 12:51 PM
>>>> Is this available every year? I'd
>>>> like to do it, but I've already committed myself
>> to getting
>>>> a cane travel degree, so I'd like to consider this
>> option
>>>> after I've done so.

>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> Jedi

>>>> Original message:
>>>>> I think this is a good opertunity for
>> students. RJ
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Dick Davis" <ddavis at blindinc.org>
>>>>> To: "'Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing List'"
>> <rehab at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:23 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [rehab] Fwd: announcement:
>> Especially for
>>>> students
>>>>> andinternational


>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I wish I were a lot younger, because I
>> would love
>>>> to attend this school.
>>>>>> You may not know this, but IISE is a
>> spinoff of
>>>> Braille Without Borders,
>>>>>> which was founded by Sabriye Tenberken, a
>> blind
>>>> German woman who invented
>>>>>> Tibetan Braille and opened Tibet's first
>> and only
>>>> center for the blind in
>>>>>> Lhasa.  She was joined by Paul
>> Kronenberg,
>>>> who ultimately became more than
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> friend. I first learned of her last year
>> when we
>>>> were doing the Braille
>>>>>> coins at some local bookstores.  One of
>> the
>>>> managers brought me her book
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> asked if I'd read it, and I was
>> embarrassed to say
>>>> I hadn't.  Her school
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> Tibet was featured in Eric Weihenmayer's
>> film
>>>> documentary "Blindsight",
>>>>>> which many of you have probably seen. In
>> 2005 she
>>>> was nominated for the
>>>>>> Nobel Peace Prize.  She is one of the
>> world's
>>>> most interesting blind
>>>>>> people,
>>>>>> and it would be great if we could have her
>> speak
>>>> at our convention
>>>>>> sometime.
>>>>>> Check out her website at
>>>> www.braillewithoutborders.org.
>>>>>> Dick Davis
>>>>>> BLIND, Inc.

>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On Behalf
>>>>>> Of David Andrews
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:04 PM
>>>>>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Subject: [rehab] Fwd: announcement:
>> Especially for
>>>> students and
>>>>>> international



>>>>>>> Do you have a dream of starting and
>> leading
>>>> your own social project?
>>>>>>> Do you want to make a difference in
>> the lives
>>>> of others? If your answer
>>>>>>> is yes, then The International
>> Institute for
>>>> Social Entrepreneurs
>>>>>>> (IISE), in Kerala, India, is the study
>> program
>>>> for you.

>>>>>>> Taught by international experts in the
>> field
>>>> of management and social
>>>>>>> entrepreneurship, IISE empowers
>> visionaries to
>>>> set up projects across
>>>>>>> the world that address the needs of
>> the
>>>> underprivileged. IISE
>>>>>>> participants are challenged to become
>>>> individuals whose skills,
>>>>>>> integrity and leadership qualities
>> prepare
>>>> them to become effective and
>>>>>>> distinguished social entrepreneurs in
>> their
>>>> communities and in the
>>>>>>> world.

>>>>>>> IISE is seeking highly motivated and
>> committed
>>>> candidates who have
>>>>>>> overcome obstacles in their life, have
>> an
>>>> interest in learning and
>>>>>>> working with different cultures, and
>> who have
>>>> a dream to realize. If
>>>>>>> you are twenty-two years or older and
>> can
>>>> speak, read and write
>>>>>>> English, you are invited to apply for
>> this
>>>> one-year scholarship-based
>>>>>> program.

>>>>>>> Leadership, management, public
>> speaking and
>>>> fund raising are some of
>>>>>>> the skills you will learn. This
>> hands-on
>>>> program includes an internship
>>>>>>> which provides practical real-world
>>>> experience.

>>>>>>> You will leave IISE with all the
>> skills
>>>> necessary to be able to set up
>>>>>>> your own social project.

>>>>>>> Applicants for the training need the
>> following
>>>> skills and qualities:
>>>>>>> - Creativity, dedication, motivation,
>> be an
>>>> innovative problem solver.
>>>>>>> - For those who are blind or visually
>>>> impaired: reading and
>>>>>>>    writing enlarged print or
>>>> English Braille (grade 2)
>>>>>>> - Ability to communicate well in
>> English.
>>>>>>>    (All sessions and workshops
>>>> are conducted in English)

>>>>>>> Students at the IISE are referred to
>> as
>>>> participants. They are coached
>>>>>>> by catalysts who stimulate, encourage
>> and
>>>> challenge participants to
>>>>>>> help accelerate their learning and
>> ensure
>>>> personal development.

>>>>>>> The IISE is a unique institution with
>> a
>>>> distinctive philosophy, which
>>>>>>> cannot be compared to a university or
>> other
>>>> conventional academic
>>>>>>> entities. The institute is a 'think
>> and action
>>>> tank' where talented
>>>>>>> visionaries from all over the world
>> exchange
>>>> knowledge and experiences
>>>>>>> and work together as a team for the
>>>> realisation of their visions and
>>>>>>> dreams.

>>>>>>> Every IISE participant is an active,
>>>> contributing, independent,
>>>>>>> self-confident and skilled person who
>>>> possesses expertise in different
>>>>>>> fields. As a potential participant,
>> you are
>>>> therefore not coming to the
>>>>>>> IISE as a student, but as an expert.
>>>>>>> The expectation of participant's
>> participation
>>>> and commitment to the
>>>>>>> program is very high. To this end,
>> before
>>>> proceeding to the application
>>>>>>> process, ask yourself the following
>>>> questions:

>>>>>>>      * Am I willing to
>>>> spend 11 months of my life in a developing
>>>>>>> country, working intensively on
>> developing my
>>>> social entrepreneurship
>>>>>>> and leadership skills?
>>>>>>>      * Am I willing to
>>>> participate in all activities, giving my best
>>>>>>> every time in terms of my knowledge,
>>>> experience, effort creativity and
>>>>>> talent?
>>>>>>>      * Am I willing to help
>>>> others achieve their goals and develop
>>>>>>> their skills in the areas which I
>> consider
>>>> myself an expert?
>>>>>>>      * Am I willing to come
>>>> to the institute with a spirit of
>>>>>>> integrity, mutual respect, exchange,
>>>> contribution and teamwork?
>>>>>>>      * Am I 100% committed
>>>> to making my goals, dreams, vision and
>>>>>>> social project come true, continuing
>> even
>>>> after I complete the program?

>>>>>>> If you answered YES to all the above
>>>> questions, you are a potential
>>>>>>> candidate and we would encourage you
>> to apply
>>>> for the IISE program.

>>>>>>> Join IISE and impact your future and
>> that of
>>>> others. Visit
>>>>>>> www.bwb-iise.org and/or email your
>> inquiries
>>>> to BrailleWB at gmx.net
>>>> .
>>>>>>> You may also fax us your questions
>> at  or
>>>> write us via regular post at:

>>>>>>> Braille Without Borders International
>>>> Institute for Social
>>>>>>> Entrepreneurs c/o P. Kronenberg
>> Vivekanenda
>>>> Nagar, Vellayani, Ookode,
>>>>>>> Nemom PO, TRV 695020 KERALA, INDIA

>>>>>>> Deadline for applications for the 2011
>> course
>>>> is the 30th of June, 2010.



>>>>            David
>>>> Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
>>>> Follow me on
>>>>>> Twitter:  http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920

>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> rehab mailing list
>>>>>> rehab at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/rehab_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options
>> or get
>>>> your account info for
>>>>>> rehab:
>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/rehab_nfbnet.org/ddavis%40blindinc.org



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From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 25 18:37:06 2010
From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:37:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [rehab] Fwd: announcement: Especially for students
	andinternational
In-Reply-To: <20100625182710.13938.14824@web1>
Message-ID: <803666.52814.qm@web53803.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Pretty interesting!
I agree with you and I have often expressed the same views butI have never seen a blind mobility instructor. Perhaps I may look at the program.
Thanks for sharing this with me.
cheers,
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller


--- On Fri, 6/25/10, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net> wrote:

> From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [rehab] Fwd: announcement: Especially for students andinternational
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 1:27 PM
> Well, most of us are legally blind,
> including those with no residual vision. but if you're
> asking whether or not I have some vision, my answer is that
> it really doesn't matter. This cane travel program I'm
> interested in is based in the notion that sight should not
> be a requirement for cane travel teachers and that, often, a
> blind teacher is preferable to a sighted one because blind
> people actually have to use the skills they teach on a
> regular basis. So if this program interests you, you can
> learn more about it by going to http://www.pdrib.com/ .
> 
> Respectfully,
> Jedi
> 
> Original message:
> > That is interesting. Are you legally blind? I
> completely understand but maybe you can apply for future.
> > Anmol
> > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
> make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at
> times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
> > Hellen Keller
> 
> 
> > --- On Fri, 6/25/10, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
> wrote:
> 
> >> From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [rehab] Fwd:
> announcement: Especially for students andinternational
> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 1:00 PM
> >> It's the NOMC program (Orientation
> >> and Mobility) program at Louisiana Tech. I've had
> my heart
> >> set on it for a while and am making preparations
> to attend,
> >> so I'm feeling pretty committed at the moment. but
> like I
> >> said, this opportunity also sounds amazing.
> 
> >> Respectfully,
> >> Jedi
> 
> >> Original message:
> >>> A cane travel degree? What is that? It sounds
> like
> >> they do it every year.
> >>> Anmol
> >>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they
> never
> >> make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of
> yearning at
> >> times; but it is vague, like a breeze among
> flowers.
> >>> Hellen Keller
> 
> 
> >>> --- On Fri, 6/25/10, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
> >> wrote:
> 
> >>>> From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [rehab] Fwd:
> >> announcement: Especially for students
> andinternational
> >>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>>> Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 12:51 PM
> >>>> Is this available every year? I'd
> >>>> like to do it, but I've already committed
> myself
> >> to getting
> >>>> a cane travel degree, so I'd like to
> consider this
> >> option
> >>>> after I've done so.
> 
> >>>> Respectfully,
> >>>> Jedi
> 
> >>>> Original message:
> >>>>> I think this is a good opertunity for
> >> students. RJ
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Dick Davis" <ddavis at blindinc.org>
> >>>>> To: "'Rehabilitation Counselor Mailing
> List'"
> >> <rehab at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:23 AM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [rehab] Fwd:
> announcement:
> >> Especially for
> >>>> students
> >>>>> andinternational
> 
> 
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>> I wish I were a lot younger,
> because I
> >> would love
> >>>> to attend this school.
> >>>>>> You may not know this, but IISE is
> a
> >> spinoff of
> >>>> Braille Without Borders,
> >>>>>> which was founded by Sabriye
> Tenberken, a
> >> blind
> >>>> German woman who invented
> >>>>>> Tibetan Braille and opened Tibet's
> first
> >> and only
> >>>> center for the blind in
> >>>>>> Lhasa.  She was joined by Paul
> >> Kronenberg,
> >>>> who ultimately became more than
> >>>>>> a
> >>>>>> friend. I first learned of her
> last year
> >> when we
> >>>> were doing the Braille
> >>>>>> coins at some local bookstores. 
> One of
> >> the
> >>>> managers brought me her book
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> asked if I'd read it, and I was
> >> embarrassed to say
> >>>> I hadn't.  Her school
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>> Tibet was featured in Eric
> Weihenmayer's
> >> film
> >>>> documentary "Blindsight",
> >>>>>> which many of you have probably
> seen. In
> >> 2005 she
> >>>> was nominated for the
> >>>>>> Nobel Peace Prize.  She is one of
> the
> >> world's
> >>>> most interesting blind
> >>>>>> people,
> >>>>>> and it would be great if we could
> have her
> >> speak
> >>>> at our convention
> >>>>>> sometime.
> >>>>>> Check out her website at
> >>>> www.braillewithoutborders.org.
> >>>>>> Dick Davis
> >>>>>> BLIND, Inc.
> 
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >>>> [mailto:rehab-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> >>>> On Behalf
> >>>>>> Of David Andrews
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010
> 10:04 PM
> >>>>>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> >>>>>> Subject: [rehab] Fwd:
> announcement:
> >> Especially for
> >>>> students and
> >>>>>> international
> 
> 
> 
> >>>>>>> Do you have a dream of
> starting and
> >> leading
> >>>> your own social project?
> >>>>>>> Do you want to make a
> difference in
> >> the lives
> >>>> of others? If your answer
> >>>>>>> is yes, then The
> International
> >> Institute for
> >>>> Social Entrepreneurs
> >>>>>>> (IISE), in Kerala, India, is
> the study
> >> program
> >>>> for you.
> 
> >>>>>>> Taught by international
> experts in the
> >> field
> >>>> of management and social
> >>>>>>> entrepreneurship, IISE
> empowers
> >> visionaries to
> >>>> set up projects across
> >>>>>>> the world that address the
> needs of
> >> the
> >>>> underprivileged. IISE
> >>>>>>> participants are challenged to
> become
> >>>> individuals whose skills,
> >>>>>>> integrity and leadership
> qualities
> >> prepare
> >>>> them to become effective and
> >>>>>>> distinguished social
> entrepreneurs in
> >> their
> >>>> communities and in the
> >>>>>>> world.
> 
> >>>>>>> IISE is seeking highly
> motivated and
> >> committed
> >>>> candidates who have
> >>>>>>> overcome obstacles in their
> life, have
> >> an
> >>>> interest in learning and
> >>>>>>> working with different
> cultures, and
> >> who have
> >>>> a dream to realize. If
> >>>>>>> you are twenty-two years or
> older and
> >> can
> >>>> speak, read and write
> >>>>>>> English, you are invited to
> apply for
> >> this
> >>>> one-year scholarship-based
> >>>>>> program.
> 
> >>>>>>> Leadership, management,
> public
> >> speaking and
> >>>> fund raising are some of
> >>>>>>> the skills you will learn.
> This
> >> hands-on
> >>>> program includes an internship
> >>>>>>> which provides practical
> real-world
> >>>> experience.
> 
> >>>>>>> You will leave IISE with all
> the
> >> skills
> >>>> necessary to be able to set up
> >>>>>>> your own social project.
> 
> >>>>>>> Applicants for the training
> need the
> >> following
> >>>> skills and qualities:
> >>>>>>> - Creativity, dedication,
> motivation,
> >> be an
> >>>> innovative problem solver.
> >>>>>>> - For those who are blind or
> visually
> >>>> impaired: reading and
> >>>>>>>    writing enlarged print
> or
> >>>> English Braille (grade 2)
> >>>>>>> - Ability to communicate well
> in
> >> English.
> >>>>>>>    (All sessions and
> workshops
> >>>> are conducted in English)
> 
> >>>>>>> Students at the IISE are
> referred to
> >> as
> >>>> participants. They are coached
> >>>>>>> by catalysts who stimulate,
> encourage
> >> and
> >>>> challenge participants to
> >>>>>>> help accelerate their learning
> and
> >> ensure
> >>>> personal development.
> 
> >>>>>>> The IISE is a unique
> institution with
> >> a
> >>>> distinctive philosophy, which
> >>>>>>> cannot be compared to a
> university or
> >> other
> >>>> conventional academic
> >>>>>>> entities. The institute is a
> 'think
> >> and action
> >>>> tank' where talented
> >>>>>>> visionaries from all over the
> world
> >> exchange
> >>>> knowledge and experiences
> >>>>>>> and work together as a team
> for the
> >>>> realisation of their visions and
> >>>>>>> dreams.
> 
> >>>>>>> Every IISE participant is an
> active,
> >>>> contributing, independent,
> >>>>>>> self-confident and skilled
> person who
> >>>> possesses expertise in different
> >>>>>>> fields. As a potential
> participant,
> >> you are
> >>>> therefore not coming to the
> >>>>>>> IISE as a student, but as an
> expert.
> >>>>>>> The expectation of
> participant's
> >> participation
> >>>> and commitment to the
> >>>>>>> program is very high. To this
> end,
> >> before
> >>>> proceeding to the application
> >>>>>>> process, ask yourself the
> following
> >>>> questions:
> 
> >>>>>>>      * Am I willing to
> >>>> spend 11 months of my life in a
> developing
> >>>>>>> country, working intensively
> on
> >> developing my
> >>>> social entrepreneurship
> >>>>>>> and leadership skills?
> >>>>>>>      * Am I willing to
> >>>> participate in all activities, giving my
> best
> >>>>>>> every time in terms of my
> knowledge,
> >>>> experience, effort creativity and
> >>>>>> talent?
> >>>>>>>      * Am I willing to
> help
> >>>> others achieve their goals and develop
> >>>>>>> their skills in the areas
> which I
> >> consider
> >>>> myself an expert?
> >>>>>>>      * Am I willing to
> come
> >>>> to the institute with a spirit of
> >>>>>>> integrity, mutual respect,
> exchange,
> >>>> contribution and teamwork?
> >>>>>>>      * Am I 100%
> committed
> >>>> to making my goals, dreams, vision and
> >>>>>>> social project come true,
> continuing
> >> even
> >>>> after I complete the program?
> 
> >>>>>>> If you answered YES to all the
> above
> >>>> questions, you are a potential
> >>>>>>> candidate and we would
> encourage you
> >> to apply
> >>>> for the IISE program.
> 
> >>>>>>> Join IISE and impact your
> future and
> >> that of
> >>>> others. Visit
> >>>>>>> www.bwb-iise.org and/or email
> your
> >> inquiries
> >>>> to BrailleWB at gmx.net
> >>>> .
> >>>>>>> You may also fax us your
> questions
> >> at  or
> >>>> write us via regular post at:
> 
> >>>>>>> Braille Without Borders
> International
> >>>> Institute for Social
> >>>>>>> Entrepreneurs c/o P.
> Kronenberg
> >> Vivekanenda
> >>>> Nagar, Vellayani, Ookode,
> >>>>>>> Nemom PO, TRV 695020 KERALA,
> INDIA
> 
> >>>>>>> Deadline for applications for
> the 2011
> >> course
> >>>> is the 30th of June, 2010.
> 
> 
> 
> >>>>            David
> >>>> Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
> >>>> Follow me on
> >>>>>> Twitter:  http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920
> 
> >> _______________________________________________
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From trillian551 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 25 19:14:44 2010
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 15:14:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Amtrak and bus company sites giving me a hard time,
	... 	how much does it cost?
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W590678B27F3A85B0E3720FBAC70@phx.gbl>
References: <AANLkTimQgF47wCyiOi8v0AIveX_wzj29NS-euhJMFs_Z@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL118-W590678B27F3A85B0E3720FBAC70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinVyp5vTKZ2XNtAgoac6KL9dVYuxNCRy1IZ9qUi@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Beth,
Actually with amtrak there is no additional fee for booking online.
Their number is 1800(usrail). If you are a student you can get a
student advantage card and get 15 percent off amtrak and grayhound.
Hope this helps.
Mary


On 6/25/10, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> The number for Amtrak is 800-872-7245 and the number for Greyhound is
> 800-231-2222. You can check on schedules, find out price information, and
> make a reservation through either one of these phone numbers.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
>> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:22:07 -0600
>> From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Amtrak and bus company sites giving me a hard time, ...
>> how much does it cost?
>>
>> Hi, guys. I've been lately trying to find out how much it would cost
>> me to get from Denver to St. Louis, but not by plane since it's so
>> darned expensive. I tried the Amtrak site, but it looks like I'll
>> have to transfer in Chicago. I don't know exactly how to do the fares
>> thing on the web. The Greyhound site likes to mess up my computer
>> AND, as luck would have it, the desktop I am composing this email on,
>> located somewhere at CCB. So if there's any suggestions I should
>> take, please write me off list. Thanks.
>> Beth
>>
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-- 
Mary Fernandez
Emory University 2012
P.O. Box 123056
Atlanta Ga.
30322
Phone: 732-857-7004
"Books are the quietest and most constant of friends; they are the
most accessible and wisest of counselors, and the most patient of
teachers."
Charles W. Eliot


From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 25 19:39:45 2010
From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:39:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Amtrak and bus company sites giving me a hard time,
	...  how much does it cost?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinVyp5vTKZ2XNtAgoac6KL9dVYuxNCRy1IZ9qUi@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <249967.74719.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Actually you can get 15 percent discount if you have a disability without any card if your disability is ovias.
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller


--- On Fri, 6/25/10, Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Amtrak and bus company sites giving me a hard time, ...  how much does it cost?
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 2:14 PM
> Hey Beth,
> Actually with amtrak there is no additional fee for booking
> online.
> Their number is 1800(usrail). If you are a student you can
> get a
> student advantage card and get 15 percent off amtrak and
> grayhound.
> Hope this helps.
> Mary
> 
> 
> On 6/25/10, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > The number for Amtrak is 800-872-7245 and the number
> for Greyhound is
> > 800-231-2222. You can check on schedules, find out
> price information, and
> > make a reservation through either one of these phone
> numbers.
> >
> > Elizabeth
> >
> >
> >> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:22:07 -0600
> >> From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com
> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Amtrak and bus company sites
> giving me a hard time, ...
> >> how much does it cost?
> >>
> >> Hi, guys. I've been lately trying to find out how
> much it would cost
> >> me to get from Denver to St. Louis, but not by
> plane since it's so
> >> darned expensive. I tried the Amtrak site, but it
> looks like I'll
> >> have to transfer in Chicago. I don't know exactly
> how to do the fares
> >> thing on the web. The Greyhound site likes to mess
> up my computer
> >> AND, as luck would have it, the desktop I am
> composing this email on,
> >> located somewhere at CCB. So if there's any
> suggestions I should
> >> take, please write me off list. Thanks.
> >> Beth
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >
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>            
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> Mary Fernandez
> Emory University 2012
> P.O. Box 123056
> Atlanta Ga.
> 30322
> Phone: 732-857-7004
> "Books are the quietest and most constant of friends; they
> are the
> most accessible and wisest of counselors, and the most
> patient of
> teachers."
> Charles W. Eliot
> 
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From trillian551 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 25 20:29:17 2010
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 16:29:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Amtrak and bus company sites giving me a hard time,
	... 	how much does it cost?
In-Reply-To: <249967.74719.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTinVyp5vTKZ2XNtAgoac6KL9dVYuxNCRy1IZ9qUi@mail.gmail.com>
	<249967.74719.qm@web53807.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik5nRuuVrg6Oxj4A4iOI68mqd_WKpAv2W1RynI1@mail.gmail.com>

That's true, but I'd much rather get a discount because I'm a student
than because I'm blind. Just a thought. It's a personal choice.
Mary


On 6/25/10, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Actually you can get 15 percent discount if you have a disability without
> any card if your disability is ovias.
> Anmol
> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze
> among flowers.
> Hellen Keller
>
>
> --- On Fri, 6/25/10, Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Amtrak and bus company sites giving me a hard time,
>> ...  how much does it cost?
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 2:14 PM
>> Hey Beth,
>> Actually with amtrak there is no additional fee for booking
>> online.
>> Their number is 1800(usrail). If you are a student you can
>> get a
>> student advantage card and get 15 percent off amtrak and
>> grayhound.
>> Hope this helps.
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> On 6/25/10, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > The number for Amtrak is 800-872-7245 and the number
>> for Greyhound is
>> > 800-231-2222. You can check on schedules, find out
>> price information, and
>> > make a reservation through either one of these phone
>> numbers.
>> >
>> > Elizabeth
>> >
>> >
>> >> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:22:07 -0600
>> >> From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Amtrak and bus company sites
>> giving me a hard time, ...
>> >> how much does it cost?
>> >>
>> >> Hi, guys. I've been lately trying to find out how
>> much it would cost
>> >> me to get from Denver to St. Louis, but not by
>> plane since it's so
>> >> darned expensive. I tried the Amtrak site, but it
>> looks like I'll
>> >> have to transfer in Chicago. I don't know exactly
>> how to do the fares
>> >> thing on the web. The Greyhound site likes to mess
>> up my computer
>> >> AND, as luck would have it, the desktop I am
>> composing this email on,
>> >> located somewhere at CCB. So if there's any
>> suggestions I should
>> >> take, please write me off list. Thanks.
>> >> Beth
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> nabs-l mailing list
>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> >
>>
>>
>> >
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>> Mary Fernandez
>> Emory University 2012
>> P.O. Box 123056
>> Atlanta Ga.
>> 30322
>> Phone: 732-857-7004
>> "Books are the quietest and most constant of friends; they
>> are the
>> most accessible and wisest of counselors, and the most
>> patient of
>> teachers."
>> Charles W. Eliot
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From thebluesisloose at gmail.com  Sat Jun 26 01:17:07 2010
From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 19:17:07 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Amtrak and bus company sites giving me a hard time,
	... 	how much does it cost?
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Thanks for the info.  I appreciate all the help and I'll let you guys
know what the trip will look like.
Beth

On 6/25/10, Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com> wrote:
> That's true, but I'd much rather get a discount because I'm a student
> than because I'm blind. Just a thought. It's a personal choice.
> Mary
>
>
> On 6/25/10, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Actually you can get 15 percent discount if you have a disability without
>> any card if your disability is ovias.
>> Anmol
>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze
>> among flowers.
>> Hellen Keller
>>
>>
>> --- On Fri, 6/25/10, Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Amtrak and bus company sites giving me a hard time,
>>> ...  how much does it cost?
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 2:14 PM
>>> Hey Beth,
>>> Actually with amtrak there is no additional fee for booking
>>> online.
>>> Their number is 1800(usrail). If you are a student you can
>>> get a
>>> student advantage card and get 15 percent off amtrak and
>>> grayhound.
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/25/10, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > The number for Amtrak is 800-872-7245 and the number
>>> for Greyhound is
>>> > 800-231-2222. You can check on schedules, find out
>>> price information, and
>>> > make a reservation through either one of these phone
>>> numbers.
>>> >
>>> > Elizabeth
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:22:07 -0600
>>> >> From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Amtrak and bus company sites
>>> giving me a hard time, ...
>>> >> how much does it cost?
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi, guys. I've been lately trying to find out how
>>> much it would cost
>>> >> me to get from Denver to St. Louis, but not by
>>> plane since it's so
>>> >> darned expensive. I tried the Amtrak site, but it
>>> looks like I'll
>>> >> have to transfer in Chicago. I don't know exactly
>>> how to do the fares
>>> >> thing on the web. The Greyhound site likes to mess
>>> up my computer
>>> >> AND, as luck would have it, the desktop I am
>>> composing this email on,
>>> >> located somewhere at CCB. So if there's any
>>> suggestions I should
>>> >> take, please write me off list. Thanks.
>>> >> Beth
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From ginisd at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun 26 04:43:25 2010
From: ginisd at sbcglobal.net (V Nork)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 21:43:25 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [real-eyes] Fw: [VICUG-L] Smartphones Flunk for Blind
	Users
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: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 8:42 PM
Subject: [real-eyes] Fw: [VICUG-L] Smartphones Flunk for Blind Users

Remember: If you see someone without a smile today give them one of yours! 

----- Original Message ----- 
Blind users see digital divide in new generation phones.

By Jessica Portner on June 22.

Smartphones can be pretty clueless when it comes to blind or visually
impaired
users.

For millions of consumers with normal vision, smartphones offer almost
effortless conference calling, e-mailing and Internet browsing. They make it
easy to find a gas station, a rental car or a recipe. Vast music libraries
and
video games are expected features for a device with a $200 to $600 price
tag.

But for many in the blind and visually impaired community, the absence of
physical buttons on most smartphones makes interactions with some devices
virtually impossible.

Nowhere is the digital divide in the smartphone market more pronounced than
between Apple and Google products.

Blind and visually impaired smartphone users offer near universal praise for
the iPhone, whose 3GS has a built-in VoiceOver screen reader that enables
all
functions with a few taps, swipes or other gestures on the touch screen. On
Google's Android phone, blind users can't e-mail or navigate the Internet.

Many consumers with visual impairments say they are being held back from
equal
participation in the digital revolution, denied tools their colleagues and
competitors enjoy. Smartphones, they argue, are public accommodations, no
different from building ramps or Braille on elevators.

"Our electronic, digital universe is changing so rapidly that these phones
are
as essential to our daily life as a curb cut would be," said Brian Bashin,
the
CEO of the Lighthouse for the Blind in San Francisco, an advocacy
organization
for the blind and visually impaired. "We shouldn't have to play catch up
with
expensive modifications when it all should have been there right out of the
box."

The Blackberry's Oratio screen reader, for example, costs blind users an
extra
$450 on top of the price of the Research in Motion phone.

This month, a House subcommittee held a hearing on the Twenty-first Century
Communications and Video Accessibility Act to direct the Federal
Communications
Commission to make Internet-enabled communications devices accessible to the
more than 25 million adults in the United States with vision trouble.

The FCC currently requires telecommunications manufacturers and service
providers to make their products accessible to people with disabilities. One
FCC
official said Google would likely not be liable under the current law
because it
is not the phone's manufacturer.

Jenifer Simpson, a former FCC official who is now the senior director of
government affairs at the American Association of People with Disabilities,
is
frustrated that more companies are creating communications products that the
FCC doesn't currently regulate.

The question she wants companies to ask is, "Can Grandma give you a phone
call
on the smartphone you want to buy her for Christmas?"

Joshua Miele, an associate scientist at the San Francisco-based
Smith-Kettlewell
Eye Research Institute who designs educational tools for blind people like
himself, says the iPhone is a new paradigm for the more than 1.3 million
legally
blind people in the United States.

"The most amazing thing about the iPhone is you go into the settings and you
turn on the screen reader and you can use every part of your phone, every
text-based application and you don't have to pay anything extra,'' he said.

VoiceOver, the iPhone's built-in screen reader, is controlled though
gestures
instead of arrow keys or keyboard commands. It can be customized so that a
visually impaired person can easily magnify a web page or flip to a
white-on-black background.

The iPhone 4, unveiled this month, expands the roster of accessibility
tools,
including the ability to wirelessly connect to a device that displays
Braille.

Youtube clip at URL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQKtSR5Li1A

In contrast, Google's TalkBack screen reader on its Android mobile operating
system doesn't do enough talking, many advocates for the blind say. Android
works impressively for calling, listening to music, using global positioning
system data and applications like Facebook, but it won't help blind users
dispatch an e-mail to their boss or scan a website while waiting at the
airport.

When Android was released more than a year ago, the disability community was
primed for more innovations. When a totally accessible smartphone failed to
materialize this year, advocates for the blind castigated Google as a
peddler of
expectations. The Android 2.2, released a few weeks ago, didn't
substantially
enhance the phone's accessibility to blind and deaf users.

Disability groups have been encouraged by some recent victories. The
National
Federation of the Blind last year reached a settlement with Motorola after
pressuring the leading manufacturer of cell phones to comply with Section
255 of
the federal Telecommunications Act. The act requires telecommunications
equipment manufacturers and service providers to make their products and
services accessible to people with disabilities. The agreement commits the
company to make the phone-related functions on its BREW line of phones
useable
for non-visual customers.

Advocates for the blind say Google has done extraordinary work in other
areas,
pointing to the Google Books Library Project.

Steve Jacobs, president of the IDEAL Group, Inc., which develops
applications
for the blind, said his customers are hopeful that Google's Project
Eyes-Free ,
which invites software developers to create accessible applications for the
Android, will serve up exciting inventions soon.

"I believe Google will rise to that occasion," Jacobs said.

T.V. Raman, a computer scientist and engineer at Google, agrees.

Raman, who lost his eyesight at age 14 from glaucoma, is revered by many
people
with disabilities for his pioneering work on Google's search service that
helped
people with visual impairments navigate the web. But the gifted innovator,
who
solves Rubik's Cubes in Braille for fun, has also been faulted by some for
developing products only he could figure out how to use.

Raman defended Android in a recent interview as "still a young platform" and
said that the accessibility problems in the browser and e-mail will be
fixed.

"There are rough edges,'' he said. "The best way to silence that criticism
is to
go and build it. I wanted this yesterday as well."

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From pyyhkala at gmail.com  Sat Jun 26 17:21:25 2010
From: pyyhkala at gmail.com (Mika Pyyhkala)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 13:21:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation History
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The DOT has issued specific directives to the airlines that they
cannot require a passenger, such as a blind person, to accept a
wheelchair.

If people are being told they are required to sit in a wheelchair,
this is certainly something you should escallate to a CRO and
depending on the circumstances be compensated for.

Don't fall in to the trap of worrying too much if you miss your
connection.  If you miss your connecting flight because of say having
to work out an issue with a CRO the airline will accommodate you on
their next scheduled flight.  In certain circumstances, they also
might accommodate you on another airline, etc.

If I missed my flight because of a situation with a CRO, I'd certainly
ask them to upgrade me to first class on the reaccommodated flight.

I think members of the public, blind or not, don't really "get" that
these airport supervisors and agents to a large extent can waive any
rule, or do anything with your ticket.  They can change your flight,
upgrade you, put you on another airline, waive change fees, waive fare
differences, put you up in a hotel, etc.  They usually arent' required
to do these things, but they can and do them under certain
circumstances.

Lets just say hypothetically someone traveling to our convention in
Dallas encounters the"you must sit in a wheelchair," issue.  I would
say fair compensation might be they upgrade you for the rest of your
trip.  Or maybe you booked the 6AM flight for your return because it
was cheap, it would also be fair for a CRO to say put you on a 2:00PM
flight with no charge due to your issue with the wheelchair
contractor, and waive the change fees and fare differences.

Otherwise a $100 travel voucher is pretty "standard" compensation, of
course sometimes less and sometimes more.

Your mileage will vary, and remember work with your CRO.  If you "work
with them" and they "work with you" you should be able to get the
situation resolved.

I would also recommend that you not even request assistance.  A lot of
trouble comes up because you guys request the assistance.  If you can
corss a street or take a subway, I am sure you can navigate an
airport.  Once in security, airports are not that hard to get around.
Much easier than say shopping malls or other places you may visit.

The lingo you want to tell them when you check in is that you don't
want any SSR (special service request) in your PNR (passenger name
record.)

Eg "I don't want any SSR entered in my PNR."

They will be surprised you know this lingo, and again, lots iof issud
come up because the SSR is in there.

Best
Mika

On 6/25/10, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> One time when changing planes at Saint Louis airport, the person who was
> suppose to assist me came with a wheelchair and I like you and like I always
> do said that I do need a wheelchair. I to got the responce that he can not
> take me unless I take a wheelchair. The plane was de-boarding us and picking
> up other passengers for the next distanation. The gate agent was busy
> boarding the next flight and said to me "will you just sit in the
> wheelchair"? Since I did not want to make a seen and since he was busy I
> went ahead and did just that. But a vary interesting thing happened! As soon
> as we left the gate, the person pushing the wheelchair said "you did not
> want to sit in the wheelchair and they forced you to"? I said yes. He said
> "we depend on tips and I know you will not tip me since you did not ask for
> it". He turned around and took me back to the gate and told the same agent
> that I did not want to sit in a wheelchair and they rely on tips and I was
> not
>  going to give him a tip. The agent had to call a airline employee and ask
> them to walk me to the gate where my next flight was. This was great because
> the wheelchair person was the person who came to my rescue and I did not
> even have to give a tip since it was a airline employee assisting me and
> they are not allowed to except tips.
> Just out of wonder, can the airline make you sit in a wheelchair if you do
> not want to? Perhaps this is another issue the NFB can work on. The airports
> use the same staff the department who is assisting people with special needs
> which is usually wheelchair people and thats why they always have a
> wheelchair. Perhaps when the passengers let it be known that they are blind,
> they should just have someone to basically walk us to our next gate.
> Was is your thoughts?
> Anmol
> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze
> among flowers.
> Hellen Keller
>
>
> --- On Fri, 6/25/10, Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation History
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 9:51 AM
>> One time I got to the Atlanta
>> airport, and had 45 minutes to make it to my next flight.
>> The person that was supposed to assist me came relatively on
>> time, with a wheelchair. I told him I didn't need or want a
>> wheelchair, and he literally told me that if I didn't get on
>> the chair, he wasn't taking me anywhere. Besides that, the
>> guy seemed terribly scared of my guide dog. A passenger on
>> my flight just told me that he was going just a couple of
>> gates away from mine, so I just left with him and let the
>> airport employee leave with his wheelchair to do whatever he
>> had to do. I never took any action about this, just because
>> I didn't have any time.
>> On Jun 23, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote:
>>
>> > (story below of being asked to leave a plane due to a
>> safety breifing issue)
>> >
>> > I don't think the blind should be categorically denied
>> access to the
>> > exit rows, and I agree with Steve Jacobson's
>> comments.  It would be
>> > interesting to talk with Steve about his experiences
>> in the 80's and
>> > 90's.
>> >
>> > The airline and exit row issue was one of the main
>> things that got me
>> > interested in the NFB.
>> >
>> > There is another less known about rule that was
>> adopted by the FAA
>> > initially at the same time that the initial ACAA Part
>> 382 regulations
>> > were adopted by DOT.  This little known about
>> rule concerns certain
>> > requirements that could imply that a blind person must
>> receive an
>> > individual safety briefing, on top of the general
>> safety briefing that
>> > is issued to all passengers.
>> >
>> > We in the federation object to any sort of requirement
>> that the blind
>> > be subjected to some sort of additional compulsory
>> safety briefing on
>> > the basis of blindness.  If a blind person
>> believes some kind of extra
>> > breifing would be helpful to them, they can request
>> it.  However, the
>> > blind should not be required to receive an extra
>> briefing soley based
>> > on blindness.
>> >
>> > Imagine if you will, if a blind person flew 3 times
>> per week.  Believe
>> > it or not, there are people that fly 3 times per
>> week.  If you look at
>> > this safety briefing notion, imagine then that in
>> theory the blind
>> > person that flys three times per week would have to
>> receive some kind
>> > of "extra" "special" briefing that nobody else is
>> required to receive.
>> > In fact,  the blind person that flys three times
>> per week most likely
>> > knows the particulars of the aircraft more than 95% of
>> travelers.  It
>> > is completely arbitrary and capricious to require
>> blind people to
>> > receive these special briefings soley based on ones
>> blindness.
>> >
>> > This discussion is also not just an academic one, or
>> one just about
>> > theories and philosophy, or some kind of table top
>> exercise.
>> >
>> > I fly on average about 2 to 4 times a month.
>> Fortunately, usually,
>> > there is not a major issue with the safety briefings.
>> >
>> > However, I took a flight on Monday June 21st where
>> initially
>> > immediately when I boarded, the flight attendant
>> indicated that I
>> > would have to receive a special briefing.  Where
>> as with other
>> > passengers, the flight attendants greeted them as they
>> boarded, I was
>> > initially "greeted," with the noted statement.
>> >
>> > I told the flight attendant repeatedly that I did not
>> want or need a
>> > "special briefing," and he kept insisting that his
>> manual said that he
>> > was required by the FAA to provide such a breifing.
>> >
>> > I asked for a CRO, Complaint Resolution Official, and
>> then at least 1
>> > agent and 2 supervisors became involved.
>> >
>> > The agents and supervisors told the flight attendant
>> that I was a
>> > frequent flyer, and didn't needd a "special
>> breifing."
>> >
>> > Then one of the agents said that they would volunteer
>> to fly on the
>> > flight with me if this would make the flight attendant
>> feel more
>> > comfortable.  I told them that while this may
>> have been well intended,
>> > that it was not a good or solid solution to the
>> problem.  I told them
>> > I still wanted to speak to a CRO myself.
>> >
>> > Now mind you all this was going on in the middle of a
>> moderately full
>> > flight, and again, at this point I was in my seat.
>> >
>> > Then a CRO came to my seat, and said that I was to
>> take my things and
>> > come with her off the plane, and that they were going
>> to rebook me on
>> > another flight.  I asked her if they were going
>> to compensate me, and
>> > she said absolutely they would compensate me.
>> She did actually do
>> > this in pretty much as quiet and as discretely a way
>> as she could
>> > have.
>> >
>> > I don't know exactly what they would have done if I
>> were to have told
>> > them I was not going to get off the plane.
>> However, several of our
>> > brothers and sisters in the NFB do have stories of
>> telling "them" that
>> > they would not get off the plane.
>> >
>> > I chose to get off the plane because the flight
>> attendant made me feel
>> > uncomfortable and unwelcome, because I was confident
>> these gate agents
>> > were in fact going to do whatever they could do to
>> help me, and
>> > because in some wayys I did not want to find out what
>> would happen if
>> > I told them I would not get off.  But in other
>> ways, I was curious
>> > about it.
>> >
>> > You have to remember also that, the way these FAA and
>> DOT regulations
>> > are written, because NFB did not get what we wanted,
>> there may be
>> > something the airline and flight attendant could use
>> to try to say
>> > that we qre required to receive the special
>> briefing.  I am
>> > researching the particulars of the applicable
>> regulations.
>> >
>> > Once we got off the plane, I told the gate agents I
>> wanted them to
>> > rebook me on another airline to a city closer to where
>> I was going,
>> > and they obliged without any objections or fuss or
>> trouble.
>> >
>> > Also for my compensation they issued a roundtrip
>> flight voucher which
>> > is this carriers usual compensation for a denied
>> boarding situation.
>> > Again they issued the compensation without any fuss or
>> difficulty.
>> >
>> > The next day, on my return flight, I ran in to the
>> supervisor who had
>> > asked me to leave the plane.  She said that they
>> were going to have a
>> > conference call with the station managers, the flight
>> attendants duty
>> > manager, and others and that likely "some action will
>> be taken against
>> > the flight attendant."
>> >
>> > The CRO supervisor had the wherewithall to say that
>> while the "manual"
>> > might say that you always brief a blind passenger
>> separately, that no
>> > manual can account for every individual situation.
>> >
>> > In conclusion it also really occurs to me that most
>> blind people need
>> > to learn more about the nuts and bolts of how airlines
>> work, how to
>> > deal with CRO's, etc.  The stories I hear are
>> just crazy, eg, blind
>> > people saying they were required to use a wheelchair
>> or other odd
>> > things.
>> >
>> > If you  learn how the airlines work, learn how to
>> work with your CRO,
>> > if they get to know you at the airport, you really
>> often can have a
>> > good experience.
>> >
>> > Working with a CRO, as I described it in an email
>> yesterday to my
>> > sister, is sort of a dance of carrots and sticks and
>> give and take.
>> >
>> > In general, the law does not require the airline or
>> the CRO to make
>> > your travel more comfortable, pleasant or for them to
>> compensate you
>> > or really work with you.  The regulations have a
>> lot of requirements,
>> > but a lot of them are administrative.  And if any
>> dollars are to be
>> > paid out, its usually fines a carrier would pay to the
>> government.
>> > That said, if the CRO wants to help you, they really
>> can do a lot for
>> > you, but again typically they aren't required
>> too.  If they wanted to
>> > make your life miserable, they could do that
>> too...this would be
>> > especially rellevant if you are a very frequent
>> flyer.
>> >
>> > There is also nothing to say you as the passenger have
>> to make life
>> > easy for the airline.  Your free to file a DOT
>> complaint whenever they
>> > screw up.  Almost always if a situation
>> escallates to the point of
>> > needing a CRO, they will screw up on some technicality
>> of the
>> > regulation and usually more than one.  When you
>> file a compalint with
>> > DOT it gets tagged against the carrier, and DOT
>> completes an
>> > investigation similar to that of when a member of
>> congress makes an
>> > inquiry to the agency.  Its a lot of paperwork
>> for the airline and for
>> > DOT, and there are very specific ways they have to
>> handle the
>> > complaint.  That said, if your satisfied that the
>> CRO resolved an
>> > issue for you, you don't have to file a DOT
>> complaint.
>> >
>> > Hopefully this gives people a few things to think
>> about.  And we
>> > really should do a seminar on how to deal with the
>> airlines on a
>> > really practical in the field sense and not just in
>> theory.  We should
>> > have some very frequent flyers and maybe a real CRO
>> put the seminar
>> > on.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Mika
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 5/27/10, Briley Pollard <brileyp at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> It is also important to note that everyone else
>> who sits in those seats is
>> >> only instructed to give it up if they "feel they
>> are not willing or able to
>> >> complete these tasks." Why should we not be
>> permitted to use our own
>> >> judgment on this matter? We should have to prove
>> it to someone else? I
>> >> should think not.
>> >>
>> >> Briley
>> >> On May 27, 2010, at 4:58 AM, Jedi wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Antonio,
>> >>>
>> >>> It's kind of ridiculous that I should have to
>> prove my capacity to open
>> >>> the door to anyone much less you when sighted
>> people don't have to. That's
>> >>> the issue, isn't it? As you have already
>> stated, there's no guarantee that
>> >>> all sighted people are truly capable of
>> opening the door, but it's enough
>> >>> to know that they believe they can by virtue
>> of the intelligence to figure
>> >>> it out. Lest anyone think that a sighted
>> person would be able to figure
>> >>> out how to open the door by means of reading
>> visual instructions, I should
>> >>> point out that not all sighted people can
>> understand diagrams of that sort
>> >>> much less utilize them. Just a thought. If the
>> cabin is dark or smoky,
>> >>> visual instructions won't help anyone.
>> >>>
>> >>> Respectfully,
>> >>> Jedi
>> >>>
>> >>> Original message:
>> >>>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>>> Jedi, I wonder how you find yourself more
>> capable to open the door, and
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> slide ramp better than many people you
>> know if you haven't actually had
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> experience of, thus the ability to learn
>> to deal with the equipment
>> >>>> before.
>> >>>
>> >>>> Just as there are capable, and not so
>> capable sighted people, many of
>> >>>> whom
>> >>>> can not open the door and the slide, there
>> are many blind people who are
>> >>>> not
>> >>>> capable of performing the duties.
>> >>>
>> >>>> I for one don't mind, and don't care to
>> sit in exit sitting, as long as I
>> >>>> can sit in a place more or less determined
>> by me. That would mean I would
>> >>>> not choose to sit in a bulk head seat.
>> >>>
>> >>>> If the airline can pre-screen for likely
>> liabilities, IE. blind passenger
>> >>>> who can't see the handle for the ramp,
>> they will. And if I can be seated
>> >>>> in
>> >>>> a reasonable fashion, and get to my
>> destination without snag, I am fine,
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> feel treated fairly for the services the
>> airline offers.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.
>> >>>
>> >>>> Student, Western Governors University
>> >>>> (617) 744-9716
>> >>>> Eastern time zone
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>> >>>> To: "National Association of Blind
>> Students mailing list"
>> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:18 PM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Airlines and
>> Federation History
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>> You make some very good points
>> here.  I don't think that some are
>> >>>>> realizing how little is really
>> expected of most people who choose to sit
>> >>>>> in an exit row.  One thing I
>> >>>>> forgot to mention when I was writing
>> about why we were as upset as we
>> >>>>> were
>> >>>>> about exit rows in the 80's is that
>> there was a policy considered that
>> >>>>> would have not
>> >>>>> only prohibited us from sitting in
>> exit rows, we would also have been
>> >>>>> prohibited from the row in front of or
>> behind an exit row.  That would
>> >>>>> have excluded us from
>> >>>>> quite a number of seats on some
>> planes.
>> >>>
>> >>>>> Best regards,
>> >>>
>> >>>>> Steve Jacobson
>> >>>
>> >>>>> On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:24:46 -0400,
>> Jedi wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE read Walking
>> Alone and Marching Together! Peter
>> >>>>>> can't have given a better
>> suggestion!
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> Unfortunately folks, this is
>> exactly the press that makes airlines
>> >>>>>> think we can't do for ourselves
>> thus asking us not to sit in emergency
>> >>>>>> exits, asking us to preboard,
>> asking us to deplane after everyone else,
>> >>>>>> and altogether treating us as
>> though we can't handle ourselves. For
>> >>>>>> those who think the emergency exit
>> row thing is not such a big deal and
>> >>>>>> worth fighting over, let me remind
>> you that a person as young as
>> >>>>>> fifteen can sit there, a person
>> served alcohol (either before boarding
>> >>>>>> or on the plane) can sit there,
>> and anyone who judges themselves (with
>> >>>>>> the exceptions of the deaf, the
>> blind, the non-English speaking, and
>> >>>>>> the otherwise visibly disabled)
>> can sit there. So basically, we're less
>> >>>>>> competent, in the opinion of FFA,
>> than a fifteen-year-old or a drunk.
>> >>>>>> Others are allowed to judge their
>> fitness for sitting there, but we
>> >>>>>> cannot. Is that worth fighting
>> about? Absolutely! Unfortunately, how
>> >>>>>> society thinks of us in this
>> context is very indicative of how society
>> >>>>>> thinks of us in others. This might
>> sound harsh, but it's unfortunately
>> >>>>>> quite true. The bottom line here
>> is that blind people are treated
>> >>>>>> arbitrarily based on someone
>> else's opinion of what we can do versus
>> >>>>>> our own. Arbitrary treatment of
>> this kind is not limited to disability
>> >>>>>> in our past, but has also been
>> used to separate People of Color from
>> >>>>>> White folks back in the day and
>> even now to an often invisible extent.
>> >>>>>> That's why Federationists fought.
>> Unfortunately, we did lose that
>> >>>>>> battle, but that doesn't mean that
>> we won't reserect it someday. I hope
>> >>>>>> we do as I consider myself more
>> capable of opening that exit than many
>> >>>>>> sighted persons I know.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> Respectfully,
>> >>>>>> Jedi
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> Original message:
>> >>>>>>> Hello Peter,
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> I must say that NFB's issues
>> with the airlines are an excellent
>> >>>>>>> example
>> >>>>>>> of the need to pick battles
>> one can actually win.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> It is my thought that the
>> fight over the exit row was ridiculous.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> There's only one case where it
>> might be a legitimate issue. That would
>> >>>>>>> be if it resulted in a blind
>> person actually being denied the trip.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> If the blind person can be
>> reseated or a sighted one is voluntarily
>> >>>>>>> bumped in order to secure the
>> blind person's equal rights in the case
>> >>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>> a packed flight, then the
>> matter is resolved IMHO.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> On 5/16/2010 11:50 AM, Peter
>> Donahue wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> Hello Briley and
>> everyone,
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>    If people
>> would take the time to read Walking Alone and Marching
>> >>>>>>>> Together they would learn
>> of the federation's long struggle to secure
>> >>>>>>>> equal
>> >>>>>>>> access for the blind in
>> air travel. It is a history filled with the
>> >>>>>>>> kind of
>> >>>>>>>> publicity and dribble that
>> can result from incidents like this one,
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>> much
>> >>>>>>>> much more. Blind people
>> had their canes taken away from them by
>> >>>>>>>> airline
>> >>>>>>>> personnel, were told they
>> couldn't sit in seat rows other than the
>> >>>>>>>> bulkhead
>> >>>>>>>> if they used a guide dog,
>> were told they needed to preboard and
>> >>>>>>>> post-board,
>> >>>>>>>> the list goes on. Read
>> past issues of The Braille Monitor from the
>> >>>>>>>> late
>> >>>>>>>> 1980s and the early 1990s
>> to get an idea of the kind of
>> >>>>>>>> discrimination
>> >>>>>>>> heaped on blind air
>> passengers and why today we must still be on our
>> >>>>>>>> guard
>> >>>>>>>> when stories of this kind
>> hit the media. Blind people were arrested
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>> physically removed from
>> planes and went to jail for doing nothing
>> >>>>>>>> more
>> >>>>>>>> than
>> >>>>>>>> demanding to be treated
>> like other passengers.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>    We
>> successfully closed down a US Airways ticket counter for
>> >>>>>>>> several
>> >>>>>>>> hours due to their
>> demanding a blind person move from an emergency
>> >>>>>>>> exit
>> >>>>>>>> row;
>> >>>>>>>> a seat he was assigned in
>> the first place. The NFB held several
>> >>>>>>>> protest
>> >>>>>>>> against the FAA and the
>> DOT due to their unwillingness to take a hand
>> >>>>>>>> in
>> >>>>>>>> remedying the
>> discriminatory treatment we experienced at the hands of
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>> airlines and still do. I
>> know because I took part in several of these
>> >>>>>>>> activities.
>> >>>>>>>> Other types of air
>> passengers now experience similar treatment. Large
>> >>>>>>>> passengers are an example.
>> The NFB can teach the flying public a
>> >>>>>>>> thing
>> >>>>>>>> or
>> >>>>>>>> two about fighting the
>> horrible treatment now experienced all too
>> >>>>>>>> often.
>> >>>>>>>> They just need to learn to
>> stop, as Dr. Maurer put it in 1986,
>> >>>>>>>> "Sitting
>> >>>>>>>> down
>> >>>>>>>> and shutting up!"We as
>> federationists need to remember these
>> >>>>>>>> struggles
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>> not take the freedom of
>> travel we now have for granted. These
>> >>>>>>>> nabsters
>> >>>>>>>> aren't just squealing over
>> nothing but are remembering our past and
>> >>>>>>>> upholding our legacy of
>> collective action by reacting the way they
>> >>>>>>>> are.
>> >>>>>>>> All
>> >>>>>>>> the best.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message
>> -----
>> >>>>>>>> From: "Briley
>> Pollard"<brileyp at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>> To: "National Association
>> of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010
>> 9:39 AM
>> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd:
>> [Members] Airline apologizes for
>> >>>>>>>> forgetting
>> >>>>>>>> blindteen
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> Valory,
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> Again, the reason this is
>> upsetting is A, this girl, (from the way it
>> >>>>>>>> was
>> >>>>>>>> portrayed), isn't
>> comfortable enough with herself to stand up for her
>> >>>>>>>> rights, and B, (the
>> biggest issue), how we're portrayed in the media.
>> >>>>>>>> What
>> >>>>>>>> is said about one of us is
>> perceived to be a definition of all of us.
>> >>>>>>>> Media
>> >>>>>>>> coverage of us is so often
>> negative and condescending, and yes, it
>> >>>>>>>> does
>> >>>>>>>> upset me, and yes it does
>> push me to speak up about how this is not
>> >>>>>>>> acceptable.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> Briley
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> On May 15, 2010, at 10:15
>> PM, Valerie Gibson wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I agree.  Seems
>> to quick to point out someone else's fault and
>> >>>>>>>>> become
>> >>>>>>>>> indignant for all over
>> one person's actions.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>> There's just not
>> enough imformation in the article to make such
>> >>>>>>>>> judgement
>> >>>>>>>>> calls.  We can
>> only say what we would do in that situation, and
>> >>>>>>>>> while
>> >>>>>>>>> we
>> >>>>>>>>> don't know this girl's
>> background or mental capabilities it seems
>> >>>>>>>>> unfair
>> >>>>>>>>> to point fingers.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Perhaps she did not
>> know that there are organisations like the NFB
>> >>>>>>>>> who
>> >>>>>>>>> could help her.
>> Perhaps she has been told all of her life that she
>> >>>>>>>>> needs
>> >>>>>>>>> sighted help in
>> everything.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>> We've all been in a
>> position where we did not know how to do things,
>> >>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>> judging that you have
>> found this mailing list, you've found the NFB
>> >>>>>>>>> as
>> >>>>>>>>> well as a sense of
>> endependance.   Not everyone has done so.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Does it look bad for
>> the blind community? Yes.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>> But how's this for a
>> solution: try and find this girl and tell her
>> >>>>>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>>>> there are places where
>> she can learn a bit of independance.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On May 15, 2010, at
>> 8:33 PM, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello Sarah and
>> all,
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I think we may
>> want to exercise care before judging this situation
>> >>>>>>>>>> too
>> >>>>>>>>>> quickly.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Many times while
>> traveling by air, flight attendants have asked
>> >>>>>>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>>>>> wait until the
>> plane has emptied before leaving. Sometimes I do
>> >>>>>>>>>> this
>> >>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>> sometimes I
>> don't.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> If Jessica were
>> asked to wait, then she were forgotten, then she
>> >>>>>>>>>> certainly does
>> have a very legitimate complaint here.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> We also need to
>> keep in mind that members of the blind community
>> >>>>>>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>>>>> wide ranging
>> capabilities and other disabilities with which they
>> >>>>>>>>>> must
>> >>>>>>>>>> cope.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> As always, this
>> just comes down to the fact we all must exercise
>> >>>>>>>>>> our
>> >>>>>>>>>> due
>> >>>>>>>>>> diligence while
>> performing our jobs to avoid problems of this sort.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2010 4:19
>> PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think she
>> should have gotten off the plain by her self. How hard
>> >>>>>>>>>>> can
>> >>>>>>>>>>> that be?
>> just  get off and turn right and go up the ramp thing
>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> turn
>> >>>>>>>>>>> left and get
>> out and then wait for your escort. but here's the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> story.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Airline
>> apologizes for forgetting blind teen
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Edmonton
>> Journal , May 15, 2010
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> United
>> Airlines has apologized to a blind woman from Vancouver
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Island
>> >>>>>>>>>>> who
>> >>>>>>>>>>> was abandoned
>> on an empty plane in Chicago.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jessica Cabot
>> of Courtenay, B.C., made headlines this week after
>> >>>>>>>>>>> she
>> >>>>>>>>>>> went
>> >>>>>>>>>>> public about
>> being forgotten in an empty United Airlines plane on
>> >>>>>>>>>>> an
>> >>>>>>>>>>> April 7
>> >>>>>>>>>>> stopover in
>> Chicago.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> The
>> 18-year-old was waiting for flight attendants to escort her
>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>>>>> connecting
>> flight to Florida when she heard the plane door seal
>> >>>>>>>>>>> shut.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ten
>> >>>>>>>>>>> minutes later
>> two maintenance staff happened to find her on an
>> >>>>>>>>>>> unscheduled
>> >>>>>>>>>>> check of the
>> plane.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> She panicked
>> in the plane, calling for help.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> After a series
>> of complaints, Cabot received a $250 airline
>> >>>>>>>>>>> voucher
>> >>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> promise of an
>> apology. Five weeks after her flight and a series of
>> >>>>>>>>>>> news
>> >>>>>>>>>>> stories later,
>> she finally got one.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> "They just
>> called," said Cabot, on the phone from Jacksonville,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Fla.,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> where
>> >>>>>>>>>>> she is
>> visiting her fiance. "I can't even count how many times
>> >>>>>>>>>>> they
>> >>>>>>>>>>> said
>> >>>>>>>>>>> sorry."
>> >>>
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From jsorozco at gmail.com  Sat Jun 26 17:56:59 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 13:56:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation History
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimIFYU_XjPFnw8-ge8r7Y9nbDJYK4wPhGV3fYYk@mail.gmail.com>
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Mika,

I think it's great that you've found a standard officer to whom complaints
can be directed.  Yet, I guess for me it's a matter of convenience.  If I've
got time to spare, I might be persuaded to potentially miss my flight in
order to adequately resolve the issue.  If, however, as is most often the
case, I just want to hurry up and get to my destination, to what degree
should I take the issue?

My biggest beef with airlines recently is the trend to ask passengers with
disabilities to wait while everyone else disembarks.  At least the trend
seems fairly recent to me.  On at least one occasion the flight attendant
actually stood blocking the door to try to keep me in the airplane.  By this
point we were done talking.  I shouldered my way past her and went about
finding my connecting flight, and as long as my journey had already been, I
was in no mood to stand around waiting for the personnel to resolve their
issues.

I'm all about taking steps to help ease the way for future passengers.  Yet,
it seems to me a more formal process is required to implement widespread
policies.  Otherwise passengers are going to be left to individually handle
uncooperative airline representatives who may only learn a lesson for that
specific incident.  Might this perhaps be a resolution for this year's
convention?

Regards,

Joe Orozco

“Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all.”--Sam Ewing 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mika Pyyhkala
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 1:21 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation History

The DOT has issued specific directives to the airlines that they
cannot require a passenger, such as a blind person, to accept a
wheelchair.

If people are being told they are required to sit in a wheelchair,
this is certainly something you should escallate to a CRO and
depending on the circumstances be compensated for.

Don't fall in to the trap of worrying too much if you miss your
connection.  If you miss your connecting flight because of say having
to work out an issue with a CRO the airline will accommodate you on
their next scheduled flight.  In certain circumstances, they also
might accommodate you on another airline, etc.

If I missed my flight because of a situation with a CRO, I'd certainly
ask them to upgrade me to first class on the reaccommodated flight.

I think members of the public, blind or not, don't really "get" that
these airport supervisors and agents to a large extent can waive any
rule, or do anything with your ticket.  They can change your flight,
upgrade you, put you on another airline, waive change fees, waive fare
differences, put you up in a hotel, etc.  They usually arent' required
to do these things, but they can and do them under certain
circumstances.

Lets just say hypothetically someone traveling to our convention in
Dallas encounters the"you must sit in a wheelchair," issue.  I would
say fair compensation might be they upgrade you for the rest of your
trip.  Or maybe you booked the 6AM flight for your return because it
was cheap, it would also be fair for a CRO to say put you on a 2:00PM
flight with no charge due to your issue with the wheelchair
contractor, and waive the change fees and fare differences.

Otherwise a $100 travel voucher is pretty "standard" compensation, of
course sometimes less and sometimes more.

Your mileage will vary, and remember work with your CRO.  If you "work
with them" and they "work with you" you should be able to get the
situation resolved.

I would also recommend that you not even request assistance.  A lot of
trouble comes up because you guys request the assistance.  If you can
corss a street or take a subway, I am sure you can navigate an
airport.  Once in security, airports are not that hard to get around.
Much easier than say shopping malls or other places you may visit.

The lingo you want to tell them when you check in is that you don't
want any SSR (special service request) in your PNR (passenger name
record.)

Eg "I don't want any SSR entered in my PNR."

They will be surprised you know this lingo, and again, lots iof issud
come up because the SSR is in there.

Best
Mika

On 6/25/10, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> One time when changing planes at Saint Louis airport, the 
person who was
> suppose to assist me came with a wheelchair and I like you 
and like I always
> do said that I do need a wheelchair. I to got the responce 
that he can not
> take me unless I take a wheelchair. The plane was de-boarding 
us and picking
> up other passengers for the next distanation. The gate agent was busy
> boarding the next flight and said to me "will you just sit in the
> wheelchair"? Since I did not want to make a seen and since he 
was busy I
> went ahead and did just that. But a vary interesting thing 
happened! As soon
> as we left the gate, the person pushing the wheelchair said 
"you did not
> want to sit in the wheelchair and they forced you to"? I said 
yes. He said
> "we depend on tips and I know you will not tip me since you 
did not ask for
> it". He turned around and took me back to the gate and told 
the same agent
> that I did not want to sit in a wheelchair and they rely on 
tips and I was
> not
>  going to give him a tip. The agent had to call a airline 
employee and ask
> them to walk me to the gate where my next flight was. This 
was great because
> the wheelchair person was the person who came to my rescue 
and I did not
> even have to give a tip since it was a airline employee 
assisting me and
> they are not allowed to except tips.
> Just out of wonder, can the airline make you sit in a 
wheelchair if you do
> not want to? Perhaps this is another issue the NFB can work 
on. The airports
> use the same staff the department who is assisting people 
with special needs
> which is usually wheelchair people and thats why they always have a
> wheelchair. Perhaps when the passengers let it be known that 
they are blind,
> they should just have someone to basically walk us to our next gate.
> Was is your thoughts?
> Anmol
> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me 
sad. Perhaps
> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, 
like a breeze
> among flowers.
> Hellen Keller
>
>
> --- On Fri, 6/25/10, Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation History
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 9:51 AM
>> One time I got to the Atlanta
>> airport, and had 45 minutes to make it to my next flight.
>> The person that was supposed to assist me came relatively on
>> time, with a wheelchair. I told him I didn't need or want a
>> wheelchair, and he literally told me that if I didn't get on
>> the chair, he wasn't taking me anywhere. Besides that, the
>> guy seemed terribly scared of my guide dog. A passenger on
>> my flight just told me that he was going just a couple of
>> gates away from mine, so I just left with him and let the
>> airport employee leave with his wheelchair to do whatever he
>> had to do. I never took any action about this, just because
>> I didn't have any time.
>> On Jun 23, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote:
>>
>> > (story below of being asked to leave a plane due to a
>> safety breifing issue)
>> >
>> > I don't think the blind should be categorically denied
>> access to the
>> > exit rows, and I agree with Steve Jacobson's
>> comments.  It would be
>> > interesting to talk with Steve about his experiences
>> in the 80's and
>> > 90's.
>> >
>> > The airline and exit row issue was one of the main
>> things that got me
>> > interested in the NFB.
>> >
>> > There is another less known about rule that was
>> adopted by the FAA
>> > initially at the same time that the initial ACAA Part
>> 382 regulations
>> > were adopted by DOT.  This little known about
>> rule concerns certain
>> > requirements that could imply that a blind person must
>> receive an
>> > individual safety briefing, on top of the general
>> safety briefing that
>> > is issued to all passengers.
>> >
>> > We in the federation object to any sort of requirement
>> that the blind
>> > be subjected to some sort of additional compulsory
>> safety briefing on
>> > the basis of blindness.  If a blind person
>> believes some kind of extra
>> > breifing would be helpful to them, they can request
>> it.  However, the
>> > blind should not be required to receive an extra
>> briefing soley based
>> > on blindness.
>> >
>> > Imagine if you will, if a blind person flew 3 times
>> per week.  Believe
>> > it or not, there are people that fly 3 times per
>> week.  If you look at
>> > this safety briefing notion, imagine then that in
>> theory the blind
>> > person that flys three times per week would have to
>> receive some kind
>> > of "extra" "special" briefing that nobody else is
>> required to receive.
>> > In fact,  the blind person that flys three times
>> per week most likely
>> > knows the particulars of the aircraft more than 95% of
>> travelers.  It
>> > is completely arbitrary and capricious to require
>> blind people to
>> > receive these special briefings soley based on ones
>> blindness.
>> >
>> > This discussion is also not just an academic one, or
>> one just about
>> > theories and philosophy, or some kind of table top
>> exercise.
>> >
>> > I fly on average about 2 to 4 times a month.
>> Fortunately, usually,
>> > there is not a major issue with the safety briefings.
>> >
>> > However, I took a flight on Monday June 21st where
>> initially
>> > immediately when I boarded, the flight attendant
>> indicated that I
>> > would have to receive a special briefing.  Where
>> as with other
>> > passengers, the flight attendants greeted them as they
>> boarded, I was
>> > initially "greeted," with the noted statement.
>> >
>> > I told the flight attendant repeatedly that I did not
>> want or need a
>> > "special briefing," and he kept insisting that his
>> manual said that he
>> > was required by the FAA to provide such a breifing.
>> >
>> > I asked for a CRO, Complaint Resolution Official, and
>> then at least 1
>> > agent and 2 supervisors became involved.
>> >
>> > The agents and supervisors told the flight attendant
>> that I was a
>> > frequent flyer, and didn't needd a "special
>> breifing."
>> >
>> > Then one of the agents said that they would volunteer
>> to fly on the
>> > flight with me if this would make the flight attendant
>> feel more
>> > comfortable.  I told them that while this may
>> have been well intended,
>> > that it was not a good or solid solution to the
>> problem.  I told them
>> > I still wanted to speak to a CRO myself.
>> >
>> > Now mind you all this was going on in the middle of a
>> moderately full
>> > flight, and again, at this point I was in my seat.
>> >
>> > Then a CRO came to my seat, and said that I was to
>> take my things and
>> > come with her off the plane, and that they were going
>> to rebook me on
>> > another flight.  I asked her if they were going
>> to compensate me, and
>> > she said absolutely they would compensate me.
>> She did actually do
>> > this in pretty much as quiet and as discretely a way
>> as she could
>> > have.
>> >
>> > I don't know exactly what they would have done if I
>> were to have told
>> > them I was not going to get off the plane.
>> However, several of our
>> > brothers and sisters in the NFB do have stories of
>> telling "them" that
>> > they would not get off the plane.
>> >
>> > I chose to get off the plane because the flight
>> attendant made me feel
>> > uncomfortable and unwelcome, because I was confident
>> these gate agents
>> > were in fact going to do whatever they could do to
>> help me, and
>> > because in some wayys I did not want to find out what
>> would happen if
>> > I told them I would not get off.  But in other
>> ways, I was curious
>> > about it.
>> >
>> > You have to remember also that, the way these FAA and
>> DOT regulations
>> > are written, because NFB did not get what we wanted,
>> there may be
>> > something the airline and flight attendant could use
>> to try to say
>> > that we qre required to receive the special
>> briefing.  I am
>> > researching the particulars of the applicable
>> regulations.
>> >
>> > Once we got off the plane, I told the gate agents I
>> wanted them to
>> > rebook me on another airline to a city closer to where
>> I was going,
>> > and they obliged without any objections or fuss or
>> trouble.
>> >
>> > Also for my compensation they issued a roundtrip
>> flight voucher which
>> > is this carriers usual compensation for a denied
>> boarding situation.
>> > Again they issued the compensation without any fuss or
>> difficulty.
>> >
>> > The next day, on my return flight, I ran in to the
>> supervisor who had
>> > asked me to leave the plane.  She said that they
>> were going to have a
>> > conference call with the station managers, the flight
>> attendants duty
>> > manager, and others and that likely "some action will
>> be taken against
>> > the flight attendant."
>> >
>> > The CRO supervisor had the wherewithall to say that
>> while the "manual"
>> > might say that you always brief a blind passenger
>> separately, that no
>> > manual can account for every individual situation.
>> >
>> > In conclusion it also really occurs to me that most
>> blind people need
>> > to learn more about the nuts and bolts of how airlines
>> work, how to
>> > deal with CRO's, etc.  The stories I hear are
>> just crazy, eg, blind
>> > people saying they were required to use a wheelchair
>> or other odd
>> > things.
>> >
>> > If you  learn how the airlines work, learn how to
>> work with your CRO,
>> > if they get to know you at the airport, you really
>> often can have a
>> > good experience.
>> >
>> > Working with a CRO, as I described it in an email
>> yesterday to my
>> > sister, is sort of a dance of carrots and sticks and
>> give and take.
>> >
>> > In general, the law does not require the airline or
>> the CRO to make
>> > your travel more comfortable, pleasant or for them to
>> compensate you
>> > or really work with you.  The regulations have a
>> lot of requirements,
>> > but a lot of them are administrative.  And if any
>> dollars are to be
>> > paid out, its usually fines a carrier would pay to the
>> government.
>> > That said, if the CRO wants to help you, they really
>> can do a lot for
>> > you, but again typically they aren't required
>> too.  If they wanted to
>> > make your life miserable, they could do that
>> too...this would be
>> > especially rellevant if you are a very frequent
>> flyer.
>> >
>> > There is also nothing to say you as the passenger have
>> to make life
>> > easy for the airline.  Your free to file a DOT
>> complaint whenever they
>> > screw up.  Almost always if a situation
>> escallates to the point of
>> > needing a CRO, they will screw up on some technicality
>> of the
>> > regulation and usually more than one.  When you
>> file a compalint with
>> > DOT it gets tagged against the carrier, and DOT
>> completes an
>> > investigation similar to that of when a member of
>> congress makes an
>> > inquiry to the agency.  Its a lot of paperwork
>> for the airline and for
>> > DOT, and there are very specific ways they have to
>> handle the
>> > complaint.  That said, if your satisfied that the
>> CRO resolved an
>> > issue for you, you don't have to file a DOT
>> complaint.
>> >
>> > Hopefully this gives people a few things to think
>> about.  And we
>> > really should do a seminar on how to deal with the
>> airlines on a
>> > really practical in the field sense and not just in
>> theory.  We should
>> > have some very frequent flyers and maybe a real CRO
>> put the seminar
>> > on.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Mika
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 5/27/10, Briley Pollard <brileyp at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> It is also important to note that everyone else
>> who sits in those seats is
>> >> only instructed to give it up if they "feel they
>> are not willing or able to
>> >> complete these tasks." Why should we not be
>> permitted to use our own
>> >> judgment on this matter? We should have to prove
>> it to someone else? I
>> >> should think not.
>> >>
>> >> Briley
>> >> On May 27, 2010, at 4:58 AM, Jedi wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Antonio,
>> >>>
>> >>> It's kind of ridiculous that I should have to
>> prove my capacity to open
>> >>> the door to anyone much less you when sighted
>> people don't have to. That's
>> >>> the issue, isn't it? As you have already
>> stated, there's no guarantee that
>> >>> all sighted people are truly capable of
>> opening the door, but it's enough
>> >>> to know that they believe they can by virtue
>> of the intelligence to figure
>> >>> it out. Lest anyone think that a sighted
>> person would be able to figure
>> >>> out how to open the door by means of reading
>> visual instructions, I should
>> >>> point out that not all sighted people can
>> understand diagrams of that sort
>> >>> much less utilize them. Just a thought. If the
>> cabin is dark or smoky,
>> >>> visual instructions won't help anyone.
>> >>>
>> >>> Respectfully,
>> >>> Jedi
>> >>>
>> >>> Original message:
>> >>>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>>> Jedi, I wonder how you find yourself more
>> capable to open the door, and
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> slide ramp better than many people you
>> know if you haven't actually had
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> experience of, thus the ability to learn
>> to deal with the equipment
>> >>>> before.
>> >>>
>> >>>> Just as there are capable, and not so
>> capable sighted people, many of
>> >>>> whom
>> >>>> can not open the door and the slide, there
>> are many blind people who are
>> >>>> not
>> >>>> capable of performing the duties.
>> >>>
>> >>>> I for one don't mind, and don't care to
>> sit in exit sitting, as long as I
>> >>>> can sit in a place more or less determined
>> by me. That would mean I would
>> >>>> not choose to sit in a bulk head seat.
>> >>>
>> >>>> If the airline can pre-screen for likely
>> liabilities, IE. blind passenger
>> >>>> who can't see the handle for the ramp,
>> they will. And if I can be seated
>> >>>> in
>> >>>> a reasonable fashion, and get to my
>> destination without snag, I am fine,
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> feel treated fairly for the services the
>> airline offers.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.
>> >>>
>> >>>> Student, Western Governors University
>> >>>> (617) 744-9716
>> >>>> Eastern time zone
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>> >>>> To: "National Association of Blind
>> Students mailing list"
>> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:18 PM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Airlines and
>> Federation History
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>> You make some very good points
>> here.  I don't think that some are
>> >>>>> realizing how little is really
>> expected of most people who choose to sit
>> >>>>> in an exit row.  One thing I
>> >>>>> forgot to mention when I was writing
>> about why we were as upset as we
>> >>>>> were
>> >>>>> about exit rows in the 80's is that
>> there was a policy considered that
>> >>>>> would have not
>> >>>>> only prohibited us from sitting in
>> exit rows, we would also have been
>> >>>>> prohibited from the row in front of or
>> behind an exit row.  That would
>> >>>>> have excluded us from
>> >>>>> quite a number of seats on some
>> planes.
>> >>>
>> >>>>> Best regards,
>> >>>
>> >>>>> Steve Jacobson
>> >>>
>> >>>>> On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:24:46 -0400,
>> Jedi wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE read Walking
>> Alone and Marching Together! Peter
>> >>>>>> can't have given a better
>> suggestion!
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> Unfortunately folks, this is
>> exactly the press that makes airlines
>> >>>>>> think we can't do for ourselves
>> thus asking us not to sit in emergency
>> >>>>>> exits, asking us to preboard,
>> asking us to deplane after everyone else,
>> >>>>>> and altogether treating us as
>> though we can't handle ourselves. For
>> >>>>>> those who think the emergency exit
>> row thing is not such a big deal and
>> >>>>>> worth fighting over, let me remind
>> you that a person as young as
>> >>>>>> fifteen can sit there, a person
>> served alcohol (either before boarding
>> >>>>>> or on the plane) can sit there,
>> and anyone who judges themselves (with
>> >>>>>> the exceptions of the deaf, the
>> blind, the non-English speaking, and
>> >>>>>> the otherwise visibly disabled)
>> can sit there. So basically, we're less
>> >>>>>> competent, in the opinion of FFA,
>> than a fifteen-year-old or a drunk.
>> >>>>>> Others are allowed to judge their
>> fitness for sitting there, but we
>> >>>>>> cannot. Is that worth fighting
>> about? Absolutely! Unfortunately, how
>> >>>>>> society thinks of us in this
>> context is very indicative of how society
>> >>>>>> thinks of us in others. This might
>> sound harsh, but it's unfortunately
>> >>>>>> quite true. The bottom line here
>> is that blind people are treated
>> >>>>>> arbitrarily based on someone
>> else's opinion of what we can do versus
>> >>>>>> our own. Arbitrary treatment of
>> this kind is not limited to disability
>> >>>>>> in our past, but has also been
>> used to separate People of Color from
>> >>>>>> White folks back in the day and
>> even now to an often invisible extent.
>> >>>>>> That's why Federationists fought.
>> Unfortunately, we did lose that
>> >>>>>> battle, but that doesn't mean that
>> we won't reserect it someday. I hope
>> >>>>>> we do as I consider myself more
>> capable of opening that exit than many
>> >>>>>> sighted persons I know.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> Respectfully,
>> >>>>>> Jedi
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> Original message:
>> >>>>>>> Hello Peter,
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> I must say that NFB's issues
>> with the airlines are an excellent
>> >>>>>>> example
>> >>>>>>> of the need to pick battles
>> one can actually win.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> It is my thought that the
>> fight over the exit row was ridiculous.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> There's only one case where it
>> might be a legitimate issue. That would
>> >>>>>>> be if it resulted in a blind
>> person actually being denied the trip.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> If the blind person can be
>> reseated or a sighted one is voluntarily
>> >>>>>>> bumped in order to secure the
>> blind person's equal rights in the case
>> >>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>> a packed flight, then the
>> matter is resolved IMHO.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> On 5/16/2010 11:50 AM, Peter
>> Donahue wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> Hello Briley and
>> everyone,
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>    If people
>> would take the time to read Walking Alone and Marching
>> >>>>>>>> Together they would learn
>> of the federation's long struggle to secure
>> >>>>>>>> equal
>> >>>>>>>> access for the blind in
>> air travel. It is a history filled with the
>> >>>>>>>> kind of
>> >>>>>>>> publicity and dribble that
>> can result from incidents like this one,
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>> much
>> >>>>>>>> much more. Blind people
>> had their canes taken away from them by
>> >>>>>>>> airline
>> >>>>>>>> personnel, were told they
>> couldn't sit in seat rows other than the
>> >>>>>>>> bulkhead
>> >>>>>>>> if they used a guide dog,
>> were told they needed to preboard and
>> >>>>>>>> post-board,
>> >>>>>>>> the list goes on. Read
>> past issues of The Braille Monitor from the
>> >>>>>>>> late
>> >>>>>>>> 1980s and the early 1990s
>> to get an idea of the kind of
>> >>>>>>>> discrimination
>> >>>>>>>> heaped on blind air
>> passengers and why today we must still be on our
>> >>>>>>>> guard
>> >>>>>>>> when stories of this kind
>> hit the media. Blind people were arrested
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>> physically removed from
>> planes and went to jail for doing nothing
>> >>>>>>>> more
>> >>>>>>>> than
>> >>>>>>>> demanding to be treated
>> like other passengers.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>    We
>> successfully closed down a US Airways ticket counter for
>> >>>>>>>> several
>> >>>>>>>> hours due to their
>> demanding a blind person move from an emergency
>> >>>>>>>> exit
>> >>>>>>>> row;
>> >>>>>>>> a seat he was assigned in
>> the first place. The NFB held several
>> >>>>>>>> protest
>> >>>>>>>> against the FAA and the
>> DOT due to their unwillingness to take a hand
>> >>>>>>>> in
>> >>>>>>>> remedying the
>> discriminatory treatment we experienced at the hands of
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>> airlines and still do. I
>> know because I took part in several of these
>> >>>>>>>> activities.
>> >>>>>>>> Other types of air
>> passengers now experience similar treatment. Large
>> >>>>>>>> passengers are an example.
>> The NFB can teach the flying public a
>> >>>>>>>> thing
>> >>>>>>>> or
>> >>>>>>>> two about fighting the
>> horrible treatment now experienced all too
>> >>>>>>>> often.
>> >>>>>>>> They just need to learn to
>> stop, as Dr. Maurer put it in 1986,
>> >>>>>>>> "Sitting
>> >>>>>>>> down
>> >>>>>>>> and shutting up!"We as
>> federationists need to remember these
>> >>>>>>>> struggles
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>> not take the freedom of
>> travel we now have for granted. These
>> >>>>>>>> nabsters
>> >>>>>>>> aren't just squealing over
>> nothing but are remembering our past and
>> >>>>>>>> upholding our legacy of
>> collective action by reacting the way they
>> >>>>>>>> are.
>> >>>>>>>> All
>> >>>>>>>> the best.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message
>> -----
>> >>>>>>>> From: "Briley
>> Pollard"<brileyp at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>> To: "National Association
>> of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010
>> 9:39 AM
>> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd:
>> [Members] Airline apologizes for
>> >>>>>>>> forgetting
>> >>>>>>>> blindteen
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> Valory,
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> Again, the reason this is
>> upsetting is A, this girl, (from the way it
>> >>>>>>>> was
>> >>>>>>>> portrayed), isn't
>> comfortable enough with herself to stand up for her
>> >>>>>>>> rights, and B, (the
>> biggest issue), how we're portrayed in the media.
>> >>>>>>>> What
>> >>>>>>>> is said about one of us is
>> perceived to be a definition of all of us.
>> >>>>>>>> Media
>> >>>>>>>> coverage of us is so often
>> negative and condescending, and yes, it
>> >>>>>>>> does
>> >>>>>>>> upset me, and yes it does
>> push me to speak up about how this is not
>> >>>>>>>> acceptable.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> Briley
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> On May 15, 2010, at 10:15
>> PM, Valerie Gibson wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I agree.  Seems
>> to quick to point out someone else's fault and
>> >>>>>>>>> become
>> >>>>>>>>> indignant for all over
>> one person's actions.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>> There's just not
>> enough imformation in the article to make such
>> >>>>>>>>> judgement
>> >>>>>>>>> calls.  We can
>> only say what we would do in that situation, and
>> >>>>>>>>> while
>> >>>>>>>>> we
>> >>>>>>>>> don't know this girl's
>> background or mental capabilities it seems
>> >>>>>>>>> unfair
>> >>>>>>>>> to point fingers.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Perhaps she did not
>> know that there are organisations like the NFB
>> >>>>>>>>> who
>> >>>>>>>>> could help her.
>> Perhaps she has been told all of her life that she
>> >>>>>>>>> needs
>> >>>>>>>>> sighted help in
>> everything.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>> We've all been in a
>> position where we did not know how to do things,
>> >>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>> judging that you have
>> found this mailing list, you've found the NFB
>> >>>>>>>>> as
>> >>>>>>>>> well as a sense of
>> endependance.   Not everyone has done so.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Does it look bad for
>> the blind community? Yes.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>> But how's this for a
>> solution: try and find this girl and tell her
>> >>>>>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>>>> there are places where
>> she can learn a bit of independance.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On May 15, 2010, at
>> 8:33 PM, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello Sarah and
>> all,
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I think we may
>> want to exercise care before judging this situation
>> >>>>>>>>>> too
>> >>>>>>>>>> quickly.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Many times while
>> traveling by air, flight attendants have asked
>> >>>>>>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>>>>> wait until the
>> plane has emptied before leaving. Sometimes I do
>> >>>>>>>>>> this
>> >>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>> sometimes I
>> don't.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> If Jessica were
>> asked to wait, then she were forgotten, then she
>> >>>>>>>>>> certainly does
>> have a very legitimate complaint here.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> We also need to
>> keep in mind that members of the blind community
>> >>>>>>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>>>>> wide ranging
>> capabilities and other disabilities with which they
>> >>>>>>>>>> must
>> >>>>>>>>>> cope.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> As always, this
>> just comes down to the fact we all must exercise
>> >>>>>>>>>> our
>> >>>>>>>>>> due
>> >>>>>>>>>> diligence while
>> performing our jobs to avoid problems of this sort.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2010 4:19
>> PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think she
>> should have gotten off the plain by her self. How hard
>> >>>>>>>>>>> can
>> >>>>>>>>>>> that be?
>> just  get off and turn right and go up the ramp thing
>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> turn
>> >>>>>>>>>>> left and get
>> out and then wait for your escort. but here's the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> story.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Airline
>> apologizes for forgetting blind teen
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Edmonton
>> Journal , May 15, 2010
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> United
>> Airlines has apologized to a blind woman from Vancouver
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Island
>> >>>>>>>>>>> who
>> >>>>>>>>>>> was abandoned
>> on an empty plane in Chicago.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jessica Cabot
>> of Courtenay, B.C., made headlines this week after
>> >>>>>>>>>>> she
>> >>>>>>>>>>> went
>> >>>>>>>>>>> public about
>> being forgotten in an empty United Airlines plane on
>> >>>>>>>>>>> an
>> >>>>>>>>>>> April 7
>> >>>>>>>>>>> stopover in
>> Chicago.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> The
>> 18-year-old was waiting for flight attendants to escort her
>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>>>>> connecting
>> flight to Florida when she heard the plane door seal
>> >>>>>>>>>>> shut.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ten
>> >>>>>>>>>>> minutes later
>> two maintenance staff happened to find her on an
>> >>>>>>>>>>> unscheduled
>> >>>>>>>>>>> check of the
>> plane.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> She panicked
>> in the plane, calling for help.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> After a series
>> of complaints, Cabot received a $250 airline
>> >>>>>>>>>>> voucher
>> >>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> promise of an
>> apology. Five weeks after her flight and a series of
>> >>>>>>>>>>> news
>> >>>>>>>>>>> stories later,
>> she finally got one.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> "They just
>> called," said Cabot, on the phone from Jacksonville,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Fla.,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> where
>> >>>>>>>>>>> she is
>> visiting her fiance. "I can't even count how many times
>> >>>>>>>>>>> they
>> >>>>>>>>>>> said
>> >>>>>>>>>>> sorry."
>> >>>
>> >>>
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From pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun 26 20:06:52 2010
From: pdonahue1 at sbcglobal.net (Peter Donahue)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 15:06:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation History
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Hello Mica and everyone,

    Oh yes those lovable airline vouchers. Southwest and other airlines give 
them away like sweet chocolate candy; anything to make a disgruntled 
passenger sit down and shut up! Whether it's dealing with blindness, size, 
or other passenger-related concerns with airlines folks need to stop taking 
this delicious candy and let the airlines know that they will accept nothing 
less than implementing disability awareness training for all of their 
employees, adding wider seats to their aircraft and restoring passenger 
service to what it once was.

 I liken this game to what NAC did on a few occasions to attempt to bust NFB 
picket lines when we demonstrated at several of their meetings. Some of the 
agencies we picketed met us with coffee and doughnuts hoping we would come 
in from the cold and let them whine and dine us; anything to make the blind 
sit down and shut up so NAC and its cohorts could conduct business as usual. 
Fortunately we would have none of it and kept on marching. Today NAC is but 
a shell of its former self and the blind are better off for it.

    I'd like to see airline passengers address these issues with the same 
spirit. If taking these vouchers is just another way for the airlines to 
keep on mistreating blind and other passengers we should have none of it and 
demand our rights as we once did. It disturbs me to hear that despite 
passage of the ACAA many of the abuses blind passengers once faced are again 
on the increase and other passengers are now being subject to similar 
treatment. Perhaps reregulation of the airline industry could help reverse 
this trend. It's being discussed by Congress. Naturally the airlines don't 
like it but that's tough! See you all in Dallas.

Peter Donahue who along with wife Mary and guide dog Johnny will be taking 
the Greyhound Bus to Dallas to avoid further damage to his recording 
equipment and to not deal with the likes of Southwest Airlines.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mika Pyyhkala" <pyyhkala at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation History


The DOT has issued specific directives to the airlines that they
cannot require a passenger, such as a blind person, to accept a
wheelchair.

If people are being told they are required to sit in a wheelchair,
this is certainly something you should escallate to a CRO and
depending on the circumstances be compensated for.

Don't fall in to the trap of worrying too much if you miss your
connection.  If you miss your connecting flight because of say having
to work out an issue with a CRO the airline will accommodate you on
their next scheduled flight.  In certain circumstances, they also
might accommodate you on another airline, etc.

If I missed my flight because of a situation with a CRO, I'd certainly
ask them to upgrade me to first class on the reaccommodated flight.

I think members of the public, blind or not, don't really "get" that
these airport supervisors and agents to a large extent can waive any
rule, or do anything with your ticket.  They can change your flight,
upgrade you, put you on another airline, waive change fees, waive fare
differences, put you up in a hotel, etc.  They usually arent' required
to do these things, but they can and do them under certain
circumstances.

Lets just say hypothetically someone traveling to our convention in
Dallas encounters the"you must sit in a wheelchair," issue.  I would
say fair compensation might be they upgrade you for the rest of your
trip.  Or maybe you booked the 6AM flight for your return because it
was cheap, it would also be fair for a CRO to say put you on a 2:00PM
flight with no charge due to your issue with the wheelchair
contractor, and waive the change fees and fare differences.

Otherwise a $100 travel voucher is pretty "standard" compensation, of
course sometimes less and sometimes more.

Your mileage will vary, and remember work with your CRO.  If you "work
with them" and they "work with you" you should be able to get the
situation resolved.

I would also recommend that you not even request assistance.  A lot of
trouble comes up because you guys request the assistance.  If you can
corss a street or take a subway, I am sure you can navigate an
airport.  Once in security, airports are not that hard to get around.
Much easier than say shopping malls or other places you may visit.

The lingo you want to tell them when you check in is that you don't
want any SSR (special service request) in your PNR (passenger name
record.)

Eg "I don't want any SSR entered in my PNR."

They will be surprised you know this lingo, and again, lots iof issud
come up because the SSR is in there.

Best
Mika

On 6/25/10, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> One time when changing planes at Saint Louis airport, the person who was
> suppose to assist me came with a wheelchair and I like you and like I 
> always
> do said that I do need a wheelchair. I to got the responce that he can not
> take me unless I take a wheelchair. The plane was de-boarding us and 
> picking
> up other passengers for the next distanation. The gate agent was busy
> boarding the next flight and said to me "will you just sit in the
> wheelchair"? Since I did not want to make a seen and since he was busy I
> went ahead and did just that. But a vary interesting thing happened! As 
> soon
> as we left the gate, the person pushing the wheelchair said "you did not
> want to sit in the wheelchair and they forced you to"? I said yes. He said
> "we depend on tips and I know you will not tip me since you did not ask 
> for
> it". He turned around and took me back to the gate and told the same agent
> that I did not want to sit in a wheelchair and they rely on tips and I was
> not
>  going to give him a tip. The agent had to call a airline employee and ask
> them to walk me to the gate where my next flight was. This was great 
> because
> the wheelchair person was the person who came to my rescue and I did not
> even have to give a tip since it was a airline employee assisting me and
> they are not allowed to except tips.
> Just out of wonder, can the airline make you sit in a wheelchair if you do
> not want to? Perhaps this is another issue the NFB can work on. The 
> airports
> use the same staff the department who is assisting people with special 
> needs
> which is usually wheelchair people and thats why they always have a
> wheelchair. Perhaps when the passengers let it be known that they are 
> blind,
> they should just have someone to basically walk us to our next gate.
> Was is your thoughts?
> Anmol
> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze
> among flowers.
> Hellen Keller
>
>
> --- On Fri, 6/25/10, Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation History
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 9:51 AM
>> One time I got to the Atlanta
>> airport, and had 45 minutes to make it to my next flight.
>> The person that was supposed to assist me came relatively on
>> time, with a wheelchair. I told him I didn't need or want a
>> wheelchair, and he literally told me that if I didn't get on
>> the chair, he wasn't taking me anywhere. Besides that, the
>> guy seemed terribly scared of my guide dog. A passenger on
>> my flight just told me that he was going just a couple of
>> gates away from mine, so I just left with him and let the
>> airport employee leave with his wheelchair to do whatever he
>> had to do. I never took any action about this, just because
>> I didn't have any time.
>> On Jun 23, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote:
>>
>> > (story below of being asked to leave a plane due to a
>> safety breifing issue)
>> >
>> > I don't think the blind should be categorically denied
>> access to the
>> > exit rows, and I agree with Steve Jacobson's
>> comments. It would be
>> > interesting to talk with Steve about his experiences
>> in the 80's and
>> > 90's.
>> >
>> > The airline and exit row issue was one of the main
>> things that got me
>> > interested in the NFB.
>> >
>> > There is another less known about rule that was
>> adopted by the FAA
>> > initially at the same time that the initial ACAA Part
>> 382 regulations
>> > were adopted by DOT. This little known about
>> rule concerns certain
>> > requirements that could imply that a blind person must
>> receive an
>> > individual safety briefing, on top of the general
>> safety briefing that
>> > is issued to all passengers.
>> >
>> > We in the federation object to any sort of requirement
>> that the blind
>> > be subjected to some sort of additional compulsory
>> safety briefing on
>> > the basis of blindness. If a blind person
>> believes some kind of extra
>> > breifing would be helpful to them, they can request
>> it. However, the
>> > blind should not be required to receive an extra
>> briefing soley based
>> > on blindness.
>> >
>> > Imagine if you will, if a blind person flew 3 times
>> per week. Believe
>> > it or not, there are people that fly 3 times per
>> week. If you look at
>> > this safety briefing notion, imagine then that in
>> theory the blind
>> > person that flys three times per week would have to
>> receive some kind
>> > of "extra" "special" briefing that nobody else is
>> required to receive.
>> > In fact, the blind person that flys three times
>> per week most likely
>> > knows the particulars of the aircraft more than 95% of
>> travelers. It
>> > is completely arbitrary and capricious to require
>> blind people to
>> > receive these special briefings soley based on ones
>> blindness.
>> >
>> > This discussion is also not just an academic one, or
>> one just about
>> > theories and philosophy, or some kind of table top
>> exercise.
>> >
>> > I fly on average about 2 to 4 times a month.
>> Fortunately, usually,
>> > there is not a major issue with the safety briefings.
>> >
>> > However, I took a flight on Monday June 21st where
>> initially
>> > immediately when I boarded, the flight attendant
>> indicated that I
>> > would have to receive a special briefing. Where
>> as with other
>> > passengers, the flight attendants greeted them as they
>> boarded, I was
>> > initially "greeted," with the noted statement.
>> >
>> > I told the flight attendant repeatedly that I did not
>> want or need a
>> > "special briefing," and he kept insisting that his
>> manual said that he
>> > was required by the FAA to provide such a breifing.
>> >
>> > I asked for a CRO, Complaint Resolution Official, and
>> then at least 1
>> > agent and 2 supervisors became involved.
>> >
>> > The agents and supervisors told the flight attendant
>> that I was a
>> > frequent flyer, and didn't needd a "special
>> breifing."
>> >
>> > Then one of the agents said that they would volunteer
>> to fly on the
>> > flight with me if this would make the flight attendant
>> feel more
>> > comfortable. I told them that while this may
>> have been well intended,
>> > that it was not a good or solid solution to the
>> problem. I told them
>> > I still wanted to speak to a CRO myself.
>> >
>> > Now mind you all this was going on in the middle of a
>> moderately full
>> > flight, and again, at this point I was in my seat.
>> >
>> > Then a CRO came to my seat, and said that I was to
>> take my things and
>> > come with her off the plane, and that they were going
>> to rebook me on
>> > another flight. I asked her if they were going
>> to compensate me, and
>> > she said absolutely they would compensate me.
>> She did actually do
>> > this in pretty much as quiet and as discretely a way
>> as she could
>> > have.
>> >
>> > I don't know exactly what they would have done if I
>> were to have told
>> > them I was not going to get off the plane.
>> However, several of our
>> > brothers and sisters in the NFB do have stories of
>> telling "them" that
>> > they would not get off the plane.
>> >
>> > I chose to get off the plane because the flight
>> attendant made me feel
>> > uncomfortable and unwelcome, because I was confident
>> these gate agents
>> > were in fact going to do whatever they could do to
>> help me, and
>> > because in some wayys I did not want to find out what
>> would happen if
>> > I told them I would not get off. But in other
>> ways, I was curious
>> > about it.
>> >
>> > You have to remember also that, the way these FAA and
>> DOT regulations
>> > are written, because NFB did not get what we wanted,
>> there may be
>> > something the airline and flight attendant could use
>> to try to say
>> > that we qre required to receive the special
>> briefing. I am
>> > researching the particulars of the applicable
>> regulations.
>> >
>> > Once we got off the plane, I told the gate agents I
>> wanted them to
>> > rebook me on another airline to a city closer to where
>> I was going,
>> > and they obliged without any objections or fuss or
>> trouble.
>> >
>> > Also for my compensation they issued a roundtrip
>> flight voucher which
>> > is this carriers usual compensation for a denied
>> boarding situation.
>> > Again they issued the compensation without any fuss or
>> difficulty.
>> >
>> > The next day, on my return flight, I ran in to the
>> supervisor who had
>> > asked me to leave the plane. She said that they
>> were going to have a
>> > conference call with the station managers, the flight
>> attendants duty
>> > manager, and others and that likely "some action will
>> be taken against
>> > the flight attendant."
>> >
>> > The CRO supervisor had the wherewithall to say that
>> while the "manual"
>> > might say that you always brief a blind passenger
>> separately, that no
>> > manual can account for every individual situation.
>> >
>> > In conclusion it also really occurs to me that most
>> blind people need
>> > to learn more about the nuts and bolts of how airlines
>> work, how to
>> > deal with CRO's, etc. The stories I hear are
>> just crazy, eg, blind
>> > people saying they were required to use a wheelchair
>> or other odd
>> > things.
>> >
>> > If you learn how the airlines work, learn how to
>> work with your CRO,
>> > if they get to know you at the airport, you really
>> often can have a
>> > good experience.
>> >
>> > Working with a CRO, as I described it in an email
>> yesterday to my
>> > sister, is sort of a dance of carrots and sticks and
>> give and take.
>> >
>> > In general, the law does not require the airline or
>> the CRO to make
>> > your travel more comfortable, pleasant or for them to
>> compensate you
>> > or really work with you. The regulations have a
>> lot of requirements,
>> > but a lot of them are administrative. And if any
>> dollars are to be
>> > paid out, its usually fines a carrier would pay to the
>> government.
>> > That said, if the CRO wants to help you, they really
>> can do a lot for
>> > you, but again typically they aren't required
>> too. If they wanted to
>> > make your life miserable, they could do that
>> too...this would be
>> > especially rellevant if you are a very frequent
>> flyer.
>> >
>> > There is also nothing to say you as the passenger have
>> to make life
>> > easy for the airline. Your free to file a DOT
>> complaint whenever they
>> > screw up. Almost always if a situation
>> escallates to the point of
>> > needing a CRO, they will screw up on some technicality
>> of the
>> > regulation and usually more than one. When you
>> file a compalint with
>> > DOT it gets tagged against the carrier, and DOT
>> completes an
>> > investigation similar to that of when a member of
>> congress makes an
>> > inquiry to the agency. Its a lot of paperwork
>> for the airline and for
>> > DOT, and there are very specific ways they have to
>> handle the
>> > complaint. That said, if your satisfied that the
>> CRO resolved an
>> > issue for you, you don't have to file a DOT
>> complaint.
>> >
>> > Hopefully this gives people a few things to think
>> about. And we
>> > really should do a seminar on how to deal with the
>> airlines on a
>> > really practical in the field sense and not just in
>> theory. We should
>> > have some very frequent flyers and maybe a real CRO
>> put the seminar
>> > on.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Mika
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 5/27/10, Briley Pollard <brileyp at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> It is also important to note that everyone else
>> who sits in those seats is
>> >> only instructed to give it up if they "feel they
>> are not willing or able to
>> >> complete these tasks." Why should we not be
>> permitted to use our own
>> >> judgment on this matter? We should have to prove
>> it to someone else? I
>> >> should think not.
>> >>
>> >> Briley
>> >> On May 27, 2010, at 4:58 AM, Jedi wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Antonio,
>> >>>
>> >>> It's kind of ridiculous that I should have to
>> prove my capacity to open
>> >>> the door to anyone much less you when sighted
>> people don't have to. That's
>> >>> the issue, isn't it? As you have already
>> stated, there's no guarantee that
>> >>> all sighted people are truly capable of
>> opening the door, but it's enough
>> >>> to know that they believe they can by virtue
>> of the intelligence to figure
>> >>> it out. Lest anyone think that a sighted
>> person would be able to figure
>> >>> out how to open the door by means of reading
>> visual instructions, I should
>> >>> point out that not all sighted people can
>> understand diagrams of that sort
>> >>> much less utilize them. Just a thought. If the
>> cabin is dark or smoky,
>> >>> visual instructions won't help anyone.
>> >>>
>> >>> Respectfully,
>> >>> Jedi
>> >>>
>> >>> Original message:
>> >>>> Hi,
>> >>>
>> >>>> Jedi, I wonder how you find yourself more
>> capable to open the door, and
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> slide ramp better than many people you
>> know if you haven't actually had
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> experience of, thus the ability to learn
>> to deal with the equipment
>> >>>> before.
>> >>>
>> >>>> Just as there are capable, and not so
>> capable sighted people, many of
>> >>>> whom
>> >>>> can not open the door and the slide, there
>> are many blind people who are
>> >>>> not
>> >>>> capable of performing the duties.
>> >>>
>> >>>> I for one don't mind, and don't care to
>> sit in exit sitting, as long as I
>> >>>> can sit in a place more or less determined
>> by me. That would mean I would
>> >>>> not choose to sit in a bulk head seat.
>> >>>
>> >>>> If the airline can pre-screen for likely
>> liabilities, IE. blind passenger
>> >>>> who can't see the handle for the ramp,
>> they will. And if I can be seated
>> >>>> in
>> >>>> a reasonable fashion, and get to my
>> destination without snag, I am fine,
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> feel treated fairly for the services the
>> airline offers.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.
>> >>>
>> >>>> Student, Western Governors University
>> >>>> (617) 744-9716
>> >>>> Eastern time zone
>> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>>> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>> >>>> To: "National Association of Blind
>> Students mailing list"
>> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:18 PM
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Airlines and
>> Federation History
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>> You make some very good points
>> here. I don't think that some are
>> >>>>> realizing how little is really
>> expected of most people who choose to sit
>> >>>>> in an exit row. One thing I
>> >>>>> forgot to mention when I was writing
>> about why we were as upset as we
>> >>>>> were
>> >>>>> about exit rows in the 80's is that
>> there was a policy considered that
>> >>>>> would have not
>> >>>>> only prohibited us from sitting in
>> exit rows, we would also have been
>> >>>>> prohibited from the row in front of or
>> behind an exit row. That would
>> >>>>> have excluded us from
>> >>>>> quite a number of seats on some
>> planes.
>> >>>
>> >>>>> Best regards,
>> >>>
>> >>>>> Steve Jacobson
>> >>>
>> >>>>> On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:24:46 -0400,
>> Jedi wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE read Walking
>> Alone and Marching Together! Peter
>> >>>>>> can't have given a better
>> suggestion!
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> Unfortunately folks, this is
>> exactly the press that makes airlines
>> >>>>>> think we can't do for ourselves
>> thus asking us not to sit in emergency
>> >>>>>> exits, asking us to preboard,
>> asking us to deplane after everyone else,
>> >>>>>> and altogether treating us as
>> though we can't handle ourselves. For
>> >>>>>> those who think the emergency exit
>> row thing is not such a big deal and
>> >>>>>> worth fighting over, let me remind
>> you that a person as young as
>> >>>>>> fifteen can sit there, a person
>> served alcohol (either before boarding
>> >>>>>> or on the plane) can sit there,
>> and anyone who judges themselves (with
>> >>>>>> the exceptions of the deaf, the
>> blind, the non-English speaking, and
>> >>>>>> the otherwise visibly disabled)
>> can sit there. So basically, we're less
>> >>>>>> competent, in the opinion of FFA,
>> than a fifteen-year-old or a drunk.
>> >>>>>> Others are allowed to judge their
>> fitness for sitting there, but we
>> >>>>>> cannot. Is that worth fighting
>> about? Absolutely! Unfortunately, how
>> >>>>>> society thinks of us in this
>> context is very indicative of how society
>> >>>>>> thinks of us in others. This might
>> sound harsh, but it's unfortunately
>> >>>>>> quite true. The bottom line here
>> is that blind people are treated
>> >>>>>> arbitrarily based on someone
>> else's opinion of what we can do versus
>> >>>>>> our own. Arbitrary treatment of
>> this kind is not limited to disability
>> >>>>>> in our past, but has also been
>> used to separate People of Color from
>> >>>>>> White folks back in the day and
>> even now to an often invisible extent.
>> >>>>>> That's why Federationists fought.
>> Unfortunately, we did lose that
>> >>>>>> battle, but that doesn't mean that
>> we won't reserect it someday. I hope
>> >>>>>> we do as I consider myself more
>> capable of opening that exit than many
>> >>>>>> sighted persons I know.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> Respectfully,
>> >>>>>> Jedi
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> Original message:
>> >>>>>>> Hello Peter,
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> I must say that NFB's issues
>> with the airlines are an excellent
>> >>>>>>> example
>> >>>>>>> of the need to pick battles
>> one can actually win.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> It is my thought that the
>> fight over the exit row was ridiculous.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> There's only one case where it
>> might be a legitimate issue. That would
>> >>>>>>> be if it resulted in a blind
>> person actually being denied the trip.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> If the blind person can be
>> reseated or a sighted one is voluntarily
>> >>>>>>> bumped in order to secure the
>> blind person's equal rights in the case
>> >>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>> a packed flight, then the
>> matter is resolved IMHO.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>> On 5/16/2010 11:50 AM, Peter
>> Donahue wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> Hello Briley and
>> everyone,
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> If people
>> would take the time to read Walking Alone and Marching
>> >>>>>>>> Together they would learn
>> of the federation's long struggle to secure
>> >>>>>>>> equal
>> >>>>>>>> access for the blind in
>> air travel. It is a history filled with the
>> >>>>>>>> kind of
>> >>>>>>>> publicity and dribble that
>> can result from incidents like this one,
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>> much
>> >>>>>>>> much more. Blind people
>> had their canes taken away from them by
>> >>>>>>>> airline
>> >>>>>>>> personnel, were told they
>> couldn't sit in seat rows other than the
>> >>>>>>>> bulkhead
>> >>>>>>>> if they used a guide dog,
>> were told they needed to preboard and
>> >>>>>>>> post-board,
>> >>>>>>>> the list goes on. Read
>> past issues of The Braille Monitor from the
>> >>>>>>>> late
>> >>>>>>>> 1980s and the early 1990s
>> to get an idea of the kind of
>> >>>>>>>> discrimination
>> >>>>>>>> heaped on blind air
>> passengers and why today we must still be on our
>> >>>>>>>> guard
>> >>>>>>>> when stories of this kind
>> hit the media. Blind people were arrested
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>> physically removed from
>> planes and went to jail for doing nothing
>> >>>>>>>> more
>> >>>>>>>> than
>> >>>>>>>> demanding to be treated
>> like other passengers.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> We
>> successfully closed down a US Airways ticket counter for
>> >>>>>>>> several
>> >>>>>>>> hours due to their
>> demanding a blind person move from an emergency
>> >>>>>>>> exit
>> >>>>>>>> row;
>> >>>>>>>> a seat he was assigned in
>> the first place. The NFB held several
>> >>>>>>>> protest
>> >>>>>>>> against the FAA and the
>> DOT due to their unwillingness to take a hand
>> >>>>>>>> in
>> >>>>>>>> remedying the
>> discriminatory treatment we experienced at the hands of
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>> airlines and still do. I
>> know because I took part in several of these
>> >>>>>>>> activities.
>> >>>>>>>> Other types of air
>> passengers now experience similar treatment. Large
>> >>>>>>>> passengers are an example.
>> The NFB can teach the flying public a
>> >>>>>>>> thing
>> >>>>>>>> or
>> >>>>>>>> two about fighting the
>> horrible treatment now experienced all too
>> >>>>>>>> often.
>> >>>>>>>> They just need to learn to
>> stop, as Dr. Maurer put it in 1986,
>> >>>>>>>> "Sitting
>> >>>>>>>> down
>> >>>>>>>> and shutting up!"We as
>> federationists need to remember these
>> >>>>>>>> struggles
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>> not take the freedom of
>> travel we now have for granted. These
>> >>>>>>>> nabsters
>> >>>>>>>> aren't just squealing over
>> nothing but are remembering our past and
>> >>>>>>>> upholding our legacy of
>> collective action by reacting the way they
>> >>>>>>>> are.
>> >>>>>>>> All
>> >>>>>>>> the best.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message
>> -----
>> >>>>>>>> From: "Briley
>> Pollard"<brileyp at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>> To: "National Association
>> of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010
>> 9:39 AM
>> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd:
>> [Members] Airline apologizes for
>> >>>>>>>> forgetting
>> >>>>>>>> blindteen
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> Valory,
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> Again, the reason this is
>> upsetting is A, this girl, (from the way it
>> >>>>>>>> was
>> >>>>>>>> portrayed), isn't
>> comfortable enough with herself to stand up for her
>> >>>>>>>> rights, and B, (the
>> biggest issue), how we're portrayed in the media.
>> >>>>>>>> What
>> >>>>>>>> is said about one of us is
>> perceived to be a definition of all of us.
>> >>>>>>>> Media
>> >>>>>>>> coverage of us is so often
>> negative and condescending, and yes, it
>> >>>>>>>> does
>> >>>>>>>> upset me, and yes it does
>> push me to speak up about how this is not
>> >>>>>>>> acceptable.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> Briley
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>> On May 15, 2010, at 10:15
>> PM, Valerie Gibson wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I agree. Seems
>> to quick to point out someone else's fault and
>> >>>>>>>>> become
>> >>>>>>>>> indignant for all over
>> one person's actions.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>> There's just not
>> enough imformation in the article to make such
>> >>>>>>>>> judgement
>> >>>>>>>>> calls. We can
>> only say what we would do in that situation, and
>> >>>>>>>>> while
>> >>>>>>>>> we
>> >>>>>>>>> don't know this girl's
>> background or mental capabilities it seems
>> >>>>>>>>> unfair
>> >>>>>>>>> to point fingers.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Perhaps she did not
>> know that there are organisations like the NFB
>> >>>>>>>>> who
>> >>>>>>>>> could help her.
>> Perhaps she has been told all of her life that she
>> >>>>>>>>> needs
>> >>>>>>>>> sighted help in
>> everything.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>> We've all been in a
>> position where we did not know how to do things,
>> >>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>> judging that you have
>> found this mailing list, you've found the NFB
>> >>>>>>>>> as
>> >>>>>>>>> well as a sense of
>> endependance. Not everyone has done so.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Does it look bad for
>> the blind community? Yes.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>> But how's this for a
>> solution: try and find this girl and tell her
>> >>>>>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>>>> there are places where
>> she can learn a bit of independance.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On May 15, 2010, at
>> 8:33 PM, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello Sarah and
>> all,
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I think we may
>> want to exercise care before judging this situation
>> >>>>>>>>>> too
>> >>>>>>>>>> quickly.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Many times while
>> traveling by air, flight attendants have asked
>> >>>>>>>>>> that
>> >>>>>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>>>>> wait until the
>> plane has emptied before leaving. Sometimes I do
>> >>>>>>>>>> this
>> >>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>> sometimes I
>> don't.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> If Jessica were
>> asked to wait, then she were forgotten, then she
>> >>>>>>>>>> certainly does
>> have a very legitimate complaint here.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> We also need to
>> keep in mind that members of the blind community
>> >>>>>>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>>>>> wide ranging
>> capabilities and other disabilities with which they
>> >>>>>>>>>> must
>> >>>>>>>>>> cope.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> As always, this
>> just comes down to the fact we all must exercise
>> >>>>>>>>>> our
>> >>>>>>>>>> due
>> >>>>>>>>>> diligence while
>> performing our jobs to avoid problems of this sort.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/15/2010 4:19
>> PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think she
>> should have gotten off the plain by her self. How hard
>> >>>>>>>>>>> can
>> >>>>>>>>>>> that be?
>> just get off and turn right and go up the ramp thing
>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> turn
>> >>>>>>>>>>> left and get
>> out and then wait for your escort. but here's the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> story.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Airline
>> apologizes for forgetting blind teen
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Edmonton
>> Journal , May 15, 2010
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> United
>> Airlines has apologized to a blind woman from Vancouver
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Island
>> >>>>>>>>>>> who
>> >>>>>>>>>>> was abandoned
>> on an empty plane in Chicago.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jessica Cabot
>> of Courtenay, B.C., made headlines this week after
>> >>>>>>>>>>> she
>> >>>>>>>>>>> went
>> >>>>>>>>>>> public about
>> being forgotten in an empty United Airlines plane on
>> >>>>>>>>>>> an
>> >>>>>>>>>>> April 7
>> >>>>>>>>>>> stopover in
>> Chicago.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> The
>> 18-year-old was waiting for flight attendants to escort her
>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>>>>> connecting
>> flight to Florida when she heard the plane door seal
>> >>>>>>>>>>> shut.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ten
>> >>>>>>>>>>> minutes later
>> two maintenance staff happened to find her on an
>> >>>>>>>>>>> unscheduled
>> >>>>>>>>>>> check of the
>> plane.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> She panicked
>> in the plane, calling for help.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> After a series
>> of complaints, Cabot received a $250 airline
>> >>>>>>>>>>> voucher
>> >>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> promise of an
>> apology. Five weeks after her flight and a series of
>> >>>>>>>>>>> news
>> >>>>>>>>>>> stories later,
>> she finally got one.
>> >>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> "They just
>> called," said Cabot, on the phone from Jacksonville,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Fla.,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> where
>> >>>>>>>>>>> she is
>> visiting her fiance. "I can't even count how many times
>> >>>>>>>>>>> they
>> >>>>>>>>>>> said
>> >>>>>>>>>>> sorry."
>> >>>
>> >>>
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sat Jun 26 23:00:30 2010
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:00:30 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Acronis
Message-ID: <ABB17CBD89EB4984B82DE410408F38DE@stanford.edu>

Has anyone ever downloaded any programs from Acronis?

Nicole

From dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun 26 23:58:08 2010
From: dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Clark)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:58:08 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Kurzweil on the Mac
References: <F960ACA9-2A03-4698-978F-D5193B78F043@mac.com><205201caefac$eb238f30$6601a8c0@server><z2g423e6e461005091252rcfd6e429r630a080cede88e3f@mail.gmail.com><03a701caf4b8$57579d80$6601a8c0@server><AC408A30-CE39-4F61-893B-FEC1CA7A0983@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <004101cb158b$6d8d5f10$6601a8c0@server>

Hello Domonique,
Hope you are doing well.  I wanted to find out if you have obtained a Mac 
computer yet, and if so,  how it is working out for you.  I look forward to 
hearing from you.
All the best,
Dennis

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Domonique Lawless" <dlawless86 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Kurzweil on the Mac


> Dennis,
>
> I am not currently using a mac but Voc Rehab is purchasing one for me
> and it should be here soon. I'll post more on it when I get it. If you
> have any questions though please feel free to email me and I'll see
> what I can find out.
>
> Best Wishes,
> Domonique
>
> On 5/16/10, Valerie Gibson <valandkayla at gmail.com> wrote:
>> there is a type of kurzwiel for the mac
>> this should help you out:
>> http://maccessibility.net/guides/all/
>> On May 16, 2010, at 12:26 AM, Dennis Clark wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Domonique,
>>> I really appreciate hearing from you.  My fear was that Fusion would be
>>> some additional expensive program but to my surprise I think it is only
>>> around $80, a virtual bargain in the software world.
>>>
>>> Which Mac computer are you using?  Also, do you happen to know if Safari
>>> on the Mac works better then Internet Explorer on Windows?  Frequently
>>> with IE, one can have problems accessing webpages that use java links,
>>> flash, and silverlite.  Do you happen to know if Safari with Voiceover 
>>> is
>>> more able to handle such pages.
>>>
>>> I want to again thank you for your time and I look forward to hearing 
>>> from
>>> you when you have a moment.
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Dennis
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Domonique Lawless"
>>> <dlawless86 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 12:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Kurzweil on the Mac
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dennis,
>>>> With most programs you can jump back and forth. If you get a mac and
>>>> want to simultaneously run windows then a program called fusion would
>>>> be best. I hope this helps!
>>>>
>>>> Domonique
>>>>
>>>> On 5/9/10, Dennis Clark <dennisgclark at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hello Mac users,
>>>>> The various recent post on using the Mac have been really helpful and
>>>>> encouraging.  The Windows based program which I most use on Windows is
>>>>> the
>>>>> Kurzweil programs for which there is no Mac version.  I understand 
>>>>> that
>>>>> the
>>>>> Mac can be run in some sort of Windows simulation mode where windows
>>>>> programs will run.  If I were to run Kurzweil in this alternative mode
>>>>> and
>>>>> then need to jump back to the Mac email program or other supplied Mac
>>>>> programs would I have to reboot the computer or can you simply "jump"
>>>>> back
>>>>> and forth between the windows and Mac operating systems?  I look 
>>>>> forward
>>>>> to
>>>>> hearing about your experience.  Thanks for your help.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Dennis
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
>>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 2:20 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Basic Questions About Mac versus Pc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Joe:
>>>>>> I have run Mac for the last 3 years and I'm extremely happy with the
>>>>>> results.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your questions are addressed below:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. In the most recent platform upgrade, how has the accessibility
>>>>>> changed
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> terms of the screen reader?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It has had vast improvements since its start, with extremely 
>>>>>> simplified
>>>>>> interphase and nice twists for the users in terms of shurt-cuts and
>>>>>> usability.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is the screen reader only updated with system
>>>>>> upgrades, or are there ever updates between major upgrades?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For example: I'm running 10.6, but then I've upgraded to 10.6.3. Its
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> always the case, but many of these bring Voice Over updates along.
>>>>>> Also,
>>>>>> if you use iTunes for your music, iTunes may have an update that says
>>>>>> simply "fixes stability issues with Voice Over."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you had to
>>>>>> compare Voiceover to JAWS, how does their functionality break down? 
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> it's not fair to compare one to the other because the logic is a bit
>>>>>> different, but I'm hoping you can speak to the level of manipulation
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> have over the applications in your computer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. How easy is it to control documents in the word processor?  Do 
>>>>>> Macs
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> their own version of MS Office, or is there a native word processor
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> makes Office documents readable?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Their text editor (called Text Edit) is great for almost all types of
>>>>>> documents. I would advice you to get iWork, Apple's version of MS if
>>>>>> you're dealing with Powerpoints, excell, etc.
>>>>>> DO NOT BUY THE MAC MS VERSION BECAUSE IT IS UNACCESSIBLE. Apple's
>>>>>> version
>>>>>> is 100% accessible while the MS made version of their own suite is 
>>>>>> 100%
>>>>>> inaccessible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Complete control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't say it any simpler. Complete, 100% accessible control.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as MS docs, you should be fine with Text Edit (comes with the
>>>>>> Mac)
>>>>>> unless you're dealing with Powerpoint and Excell. In that case buy
>>>>>> iWork.
>>>>>> Don't buy the Mac version of MS done by MS because its 11000%
>>>>>> inaccessible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4. What can you tell us about their e-mail client?  Outlook has its
>>>>>> quirks
>>>>>> but is almost 100 percent accessible.  Sunbird, by contrast, would be
>>>>>> great
>>>>>> but in my opinion still had some accessibility shortcomings.  I'm
>>>>>> wondering
>>>>>> if the same is true of iCal and Mac-based applications?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mac Mail is 100% accessible. All the features are at your fingertips,
>>>>>> literaly, with the exception of stationarry but I honestly think you
>>>>>> won't
>>>>>>
>>>>>> use that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You also have access to create signatures and a ton of bonus 
>>>>>> features.
>>>>>> Ical however, is 100% inaccessible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5. How much freedom do you have with Macs to go outside of iTunes?  I
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> much care for proprietary packages unless it's unavoidable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> iTunes is the best accessible solution I know. If you want to avoid 
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> there are options, but I wouldn't be the person to ask.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 6. Are hardware repairs truly limited to Apple stores?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple stores and authorized retalors.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trust me, if you do anyoffice work the Mac will be perfect.
>>>>>> If you're in the field--that's debatable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope that helps.
>>>>>> Jorge
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 26 23:59:33 2010
From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Acronis
In-Reply-To: <ABB17CBD89EB4984B82DE410408F38DE@stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <928225.69787.qm@web53803.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

What is Acronis?
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller


--- On Sat, 6/26/10, Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:

> From: Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Acronis
> To: "NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Saturday, June 26, 2010, 6:00 PM
> Has anyone ever downloaded any
> programs from Acronis?
> 
> Nicole
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From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 27 00:12:24 2010
From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 17:12:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation History
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimIFYU_XjPFnw8-ge8r7Y9nbDJYK4wPhGV3fYYk@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <428911.96751.qm@web53806.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Thanks for that advice. I think I will try that in the Little Rock airport but I don't think this would be possible in bigger airports such as New York's JFK or London's Heathro. However, as I said in my previous email can be done about Delta's airlines in flight intertainment system not be excessable for the blind? When a blind person takes a international flight with Delta Airlines they can not even call the flight attendent with out sighted assistant because the whole system is touch screen.
cheers,
Anmol
I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers.
Hellen Keller


--- On Sat, 6/26/10, Mika Pyyhkala <pyyhkala at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Mika Pyyhkala <pyyhkala at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation History
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Saturday, June 26, 2010, 12:21 PM
> The DOT has issued specific
> directives to the airlines that they
> cannot require a passenger, such as a blind person, to
> accept a
> wheelchair.
> 
> If people are being told they are required to sit in a
> wheelchair,
> this is certainly something you should escallate to a CRO
> and
> depending on the circumstances be compensated for.
> 
> Don't fall in to the trap of worrying too much if you miss
> your
> connection.  If you miss your connecting flight
> because of say having
> to work out an issue with a CRO the airline will
> accommodate you on
> their next scheduled flight.  In certain
> circumstances, they also
> might accommodate you on another airline, etc.
> 
> If I missed my flight because of a situation with a CRO,
> I'd certainly
> ask them to upgrade me to first class on the reaccommodated
> flight.
> 
> I think members of the public, blind or not, don't really
> "get" that
> these airport supervisors and agents to a large extent can
> waive any
> rule, or do anything with your ticket.  They can
> change your flight,
> upgrade you, put you on another airline, waive change fees,
> waive fare
> differences, put you up in a hotel, etc.  They usually
> arent' required
> to do these things, but they can and do them under certain
> circumstances.
> 
> Lets just say hypothetically someone traveling to our
> convention in
> Dallas encounters the"you must sit in a wheelchair,"
> issue.  I would
> say fair compensation might be they upgrade you for the
> rest of your
> trip.  Or maybe you booked the 6AM flight for your
> return because it
> was cheap, it would also be fair for a CRO to say put you
> on a 2:00PM
> flight with no charge due to your issue with the
> wheelchair
> contractor, and waive the change fees and fare
> differences.
> 
> Otherwise a $100 travel voucher is pretty "standard"
> compensation, of
> course sometimes less and sometimes more.
> 
> Your mileage will vary, and remember work with your
> CRO.  If you "work
> with them" and they "work with you" you should be able to
> get the
> situation resolved.
> 
> I would also recommend that you not even request
> assistance.  A lot of
> trouble comes up because you guys request the
> assistance.  If you can
> corss a street or take a subway, I am sure you can navigate
> an
> airport.  Once in security, airports are not that hard
> to get around.
> Much easier than say shopping malls or other places you may
> visit.
> 
> The lingo you want to tell them when you check in is that
> you don't
> want any SSR (special service request) in your PNR
> (passenger name
> record.)
> 
> Eg "I don't want any SSR entered in my PNR."
> 
> They will be surprised you know this lingo, and again, lots
> iof issud
> come up because the SSR is in there.
> 
> Best
> Mika
> 
> On 6/25/10, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > One time when changing planes at Saint Louis airport,
> the person who was
> > suppose to assist me came with a wheelchair and I like
> you and like I always
> > do said that I do need a wheelchair. I to got the
> responce that he can not
> > take me unless I take a wheelchair. The plane was
> de-boarding us and picking
> > up other passengers for the next distanation. The gate
> agent was busy
> > boarding the next flight and said to me "will you just
> sit in the
> > wheelchair"? Since I did not want to make a seen and
> since he was busy I
> > went ahead and did just that. But a vary interesting
> thing happened! As soon
> > as we left the gate, the person pushing the wheelchair
> said "you did not
> > want to sit in the wheelchair and they forced you to"?
> I said yes. He said
> > "we depend on tips and I know you will not tip me
> since you did not ask for
> > it". He turned around and took me back to the gate and
> told the same agent
> > that I did not want to sit in a wheelchair and they
> rely on tips and I was
> > not
> >  going to give him a tip. The agent had to call a
> airline employee and ask
> > them to walk me to the gate where my next flight was.
> This was great because
> > the wheelchair person was the person who came to my
> rescue and I did not
> > even have to give a tip since it was a airline
> employee assisting me and
> > they are not allowed to except tips.
> > Just out of wonder, can the airline make you sit in a
> wheelchair if you do
> > not want to? Perhaps this is another issue the NFB can
> work on. The airports
> > use the same staff the department who is assisting
> people with special needs
> > which is usually wheelchair people and thats why they
> always have a
> > wheelchair. Perhaps when the passengers let it be
> known that they are blind,
> > they should just have someone to basically walk us to
> our next gate.
> > Was is your thoughts?
> > Anmol
> > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
> make me sad. Perhaps
> > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is
> vague, like a breeze
> > among flowers.
> > Hellen Keller
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 6/25/10, Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation
> History
> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list"
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 9:51 AM
> >> One time I got to the Atlanta
> >> airport, and had 45 minutes to make it to my next
> flight.
> >> The person that was supposed to assist me came
> relatively on
> >> time, with a wheelchair. I told him I didn't need
> or want a
> >> wheelchair, and he literally told me that if I
> didn't get on
> >> the chair, he wasn't taking me anywhere. Besides
> that, the
> >> guy seemed terribly scared of my guide dog. A
> passenger on
> >> my flight just told me that he was going just a
> couple of
> >> gates away from mine, so I just left with him and
> let the
> >> airport employee leave with his wheelchair to do
> whatever he
> >> had to do. I never took any action about this,
> just because
> >> I didn't have any time.
> >> On Jun 23, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Mika Pyyhkala
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > (story below of being asked to leave a plane
> due to a
> >> safety breifing issue)
> >> >
> >> > I don't think the blind should be
> categorically denied
> >> access to the
> >> > exit rows, and I agree with Steve Jacobson's
> >> comments.  It would be
> >> > interesting to talk with Steve about his
> experiences
> >> in the 80's and
> >> > 90's.
> >> >
> >> > The airline and exit row issue was one of the
> main
> >> things that got me
> >> > interested in the NFB.
> >> >
> >> > There is another less known about rule that
> was
> >> adopted by the FAA
> >> > initially at the same time that the initial
> ACAA Part
> >> 382 regulations
> >> > were adopted by DOT.  This little known
> about
> >> rule concerns certain
> >> > requirements that could imply that a blind
> person must
> >> receive an
> >> > individual safety briefing, on top of the
> general
> >> safety briefing that
> >> > is issued to all passengers.
> >> >
> >> > We in the federation object to any sort of
> requirement
> >> that the blind
> >> > be subjected to some sort of additional
> compulsory
> >> safety briefing on
> >> > the basis of blindness.  If a blind person
> >> believes some kind of extra
> >> > breifing would be helpful to them, they can
> request
> >> it.  However, the
> >> > blind should not be required to receive an
> extra
> >> briefing soley based
> >> > on blindness.
> >> >
> >> > Imagine if you will, if a blind person flew 3
> times
> >> per week.  Believe
> >> > it or not, there are people that fly 3 times
> per
> >> week.  If you look at
> >> > this safety briefing notion, imagine then
> that in
> >> theory the blind
> >> > person that flys three times per week would
> have to
> >> receive some kind
> >> > of "extra" "special" briefing that nobody
> else is
> >> required to receive.
> >> > In fact,  the blind person that flys three
> times
> >> per week most likely
> >> > knows the particulars of the aircraft more
> than 95% of
> >> travelers.  It
> >> > is completely arbitrary and capricious to
> require
> >> blind people to
> >> > receive these special briefings soley based
> on ones
> >> blindness.
> >> >
> >> > This discussion is also not just an academic
> one, or
> >> one just about
> >> > theories and philosophy, or some kind of
> table top
> >> exercise.
> >> >
> >> > I fly on average about 2 to 4 times a month.
> >> Fortunately, usually,
> >> > there is not a major issue with the safety
> briefings.
> >> >
> >> > However, I took a flight on Monday June 21st
> where
> >> initially
> >> > immediately when I boarded, the flight
> attendant
> >> indicated that I
> >> > would have to receive a special briefing. 
> Where
> >> as with other
> >> > passengers, the flight attendants greeted
> them as they
> >> boarded, I was
> >> > initially "greeted," with the noted
> statement.
> >> >
> >> > I told the flight attendant repeatedly that I
> did not
> >> want or need a
> >> > "special briefing," and he kept insisting
> that his
> >> manual said that he
> >> > was required by the FAA to provide such a
> breifing.
> >> >
> >> > I asked for a CRO, Complaint Resolution
> Official, and
> >> then at least 1
> >> > agent and 2 supervisors became involved.
> >> >
> >> > The agents and supervisors told the flight
> attendant
> >> that I was a
> >> > frequent flyer, and didn't needd a "special
> >> breifing."
> >> >
> >> > Then one of the agents said that they would
> volunteer
> >> to fly on the
> >> > flight with me if this would make the flight
> attendant
> >> feel more
> >> > comfortable.  I told them that while this
> may
> >> have been well intended,
> >> > that it was not a good or solid solution to
> the
> >> problem.  I told them
> >> > I still wanted to speak to a CRO myself.
> >> >
> >> > Now mind you all this was going on in the
> middle of a
> >> moderately full
> >> > flight, and again, at this point I was in my
> seat.
> >> >
> >> > Then a CRO came to my seat, and said that I
> was to
> >> take my things and
> >> > come with her off the plane, and that they
> were going
> >> to rebook me on
> >> > another flight.  I asked her if they were
> going
> >> to compensate me, and
> >> > she said absolutely they would compensate
> me.
> >> She did actually do
> >> > this in pretty much as quiet and as
> discretely a way
> >> as she could
> >> > have.
> >> >
> >> > I don't know exactly what they would have
> done if I
> >> were to have told
> >> > them I was not going to get off the plane.
> >> However, several of our
> >> > brothers and sisters in the NFB do have
> stories of
> >> telling "them" that
> >> > they would not get off the plane.
> >> >
> >> > I chose to get off the plane because the
> flight
> >> attendant made me feel
> >> > uncomfortable and unwelcome, because I was
> confident
> >> these gate agents
> >> > were in fact going to do whatever they could
> do to
> >> help me, and
> >> > because in some wayys I did not want to find
> out what
> >> would happen if
> >> > I told them I would not get off.  But in
> other
> >> ways, I was curious
> >> > about it.
> >> >
> >> > You have to remember also that, the way these
> FAA and
> >> DOT regulations
> >> > are written, because NFB did not get what we
> wanted,
> >> there may be
> >> > something the airline and flight attendant
> could use
> >> to try to say
> >> > that we qre required to receive the special
> >> briefing.  I am
> >> > researching the particulars of the
> applicable
> >> regulations.
> >> >
> >> > Once we got off the plane, I told the gate
> agents I
> >> wanted them to
> >> > rebook me on another airline to a city closer
> to where
> >> I was going,
> >> > and they obliged without any objections or
> fuss or
> >> trouble.
> >> >
> >> > Also for my compensation they issued a
> roundtrip
> >> flight voucher which
> >> > is this carriers usual compensation for a
> denied
> >> boarding situation.
> >> > Again they issued the compensation without
> any fuss or
> >> difficulty.
> >> >
> >> > The next day, on my return flight, I ran in
> to the
> >> supervisor who had
> >> > asked me to leave the plane.  She said that
> they
> >> were going to have a
> >> > conference call with the station managers,
> the flight
> >> attendants duty
> >> > manager, and others and that likely "some
> action will
> >> be taken against
> >> > the flight attendant."
> >> >
> >> > The CRO supervisor had the wherewithall to
> say that
> >> while the "manual"
> >> > might say that you always brief a blind
> passenger
> >> separately, that no
> >> > manual can account for every individual
> situation.
> >> >
> >> > In conclusion it also really occurs to me
> that most
> >> blind people need
> >> > to learn more about the nuts and bolts of how
> airlines
> >> work, how to
> >> > deal with CRO's, etc.  The stories I hear
> are
> >> just crazy, eg, blind
> >> > people saying they were required to use a
> wheelchair
> >> or other odd
> >> > things.
> >> >
> >> > If you  learn how the airlines work, learn
> how to
> >> work with your CRO,
> >> > if they get to know you at the airport, you
> really
> >> often can have a
> >> > good experience.
> >> >
> >> > Working with a CRO, as I described it in an
> email
> >> yesterday to my
> >> > sister, is sort of a dance of carrots and
> sticks and
> >> give and take.
> >> >
> >> > In general, the law does not require the
> airline or
> >> the CRO to make
> >> > your travel more comfortable, pleasant or for
> them to
> >> compensate you
> >> > or really work with you.  The regulations
> have a
> >> lot of requirements,
> >> > but a lot of them are administrative.  And
> if any
> >> dollars are to be
> >> > paid out, its usually fines a carrier would
> pay to the
> >> government.
> >> > That said, if the CRO wants to help you, they
> really
> >> can do a lot for
> >> > you, but again typically they aren't
> required
> >> too.  If they wanted to
> >> > make your life miserable, they could do that
> >> too...this would be
> >> > especially rellevant if you are a very
> frequent
> >> flyer.
> >> >
> >> > There is also nothing to say you as the
> passenger have
> >> to make life
> >> > easy for the airline.  Your free to file a
> DOT
> >> complaint whenever they
> >> > screw up.  Almost always if a situation
> >> escallates to the point of
> >> > needing a CRO, they will screw up on some
> technicality
> >> of the
> >> > regulation and usually more than one.  When
> you
> >> file a compalint with
> >> > DOT it gets tagged against the carrier, and
> DOT
> >> completes an
> >> > investigation similar to that of when a
> member of
> >> congress makes an
> >> > inquiry to the agency.  Its a lot of
> paperwork
> >> for the airline and for
> >> > DOT, and there are very specific ways they
> have to
> >> handle the
> >> > complaint.  That said, if your satisfied
> that the
> >> CRO resolved an
> >> > issue for you, you don't have to file a DOT
> >> complaint.
> >> >
> >> > Hopefully this gives people a few things to
> think
> >> about.  And we
> >> > really should do a seminar on how to deal
> with the
> >> airlines on a
> >> > really practical in the field sense and not
> just in
> >> theory.  We should
> >> > have some very frequent flyers and maybe a
> real CRO
> >> put the seminar
> >> > on.
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> > Mika
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 5/27/10, Briley Pollard <brileyp at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> It is also important to note that
> everyone else
> >> who sits in those seats is
> >> >> only instructed to give it up if they
> "feel they
> >> are not willing or able to
> >> >> complete these tasks." Why should we not
> be
> >> permitted to use our own
> >> >> judgment on this matter? We should have
> to prove
> >> it to someone else? I
> >> >> should think not.
> >> >>
> >> >> Briley
> >> >> On May 27, 2010, at 4:58 AM, Jedi wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Antonio,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It's kind of ridiculous that I should
> have to
> >> prove my capacity to open
> >> >>> the door to anyone much less you when
> sighted
> >> people don't have to. That's
> >> >>> the issue, isn't it? As you have
> already
> >> stated, there's no guarantee that
> >> >>> all sighted people are truly capable
> of
> >> opening the door, but it's enough
> >> >>> to know that they believe they can by
> virtue
> >> of the intelligence to figure
> >> >>> it out. Lest anyone think that a
> sighted
> >> person would be able to figure
> >> >>> out how to open the door by means of
> reading
> >> visual instructions, I should
> >> >>> point out that not all sighted people
> can
> >> understand diagrams of that sort
> >> >>> much less utilize them. Just a
> thought. If the
> >> cabin is dark or smoky,
> >> >>> visual instructions won't help
> anyone.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Respectfully,
> >> >>> Jedi
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Original message:
> >> >>>> Hi,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Jedi, I wonder how you find
> yourself more
> >> capable to open the door, and
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> slide ramp better than many
> people you
> >> know if you haven't actually had
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> experience of, thus the ability
> to learn
> >> to deal with the equipment
> >> >>>> before.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Just as there are capable, and
> not so
> >> capable sighted people, many of
> >> >>>> whom
> >> >>>> can not open the door and the
> slide, there
> >> are many blind people who are
> >> >>>> not
> >> >>>> capable of performing the
> duties.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> I for one don't mind, and don't
> care to
> >> sit in exit sitting, as long as I
> >> >>>> can sit in a place more or less
> determined
> >> by me. That would mean I would
> >> >>>> not choose to sit in a bulk head
> seat.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> If the airline can pre-screen for
> likely
> >> liabilities, IE. blind passenger
> >> >>>> who can't see the handle for the
> ramp,
> >> they will. And if I can be seated
> >> >>>> in
> >> >>>> a reasonable fashion, and get to
> my
> >> destination without snag, I am fine,
> >> >>>> and
> >> >>>> feel treated fairly for the
> services the
> >> airline offers.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Student, Western Governors
> University
> >> >>>> (617) 744-9716
> >> >>>> Eastern time zone
> >> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>>> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> >> >>>> To: "National Association of
> Blind
> >> Students mailing list"
> >> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:18
> PM
> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Airlines
> and
> >> Federation History
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>> You make some very good
> points
> >> here.  I don't think that some are
> >> >>>>> realizing how little is
> really
> >> expected of most people who choose to sit
> >> >>>>> in an exit row.  One thing
> I
> >> >>>>> forgot to mention when I was
> writing
> >> about why we were as upset as we
> >> >>>>> were
> >> >>>>> about exit rows in the 80's
> is that
> >> there was a policy considered that
> >> >>>>> would have not
> >> >>>>> only prohibited us from
> sitting in
> >> exit rows, we would also have been
> >> >>>>> prohibited from the row in
> front of or
> >> behind an exit row.  That would
> >> >>>>> have excluded us from
> >> >>>>> quite a number of seats on
> some
> >> planes.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>> Best regards,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>> Steve Jacobson
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>> On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:24:46
> -0400,
> >> Jedi wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE read
> Walking
> >> Alone and Marching Together! Peter
> >> >>>>>> can't have given a
> better
> >> suggestion!
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>> Unfortunately folks, this
> is
> >> exactly the press that makes airlines
> >> >>>>>> think we can't do for
> ourselves
> >> thus asking us not to sit in emergency
> >> >>>>>> exits, asking us to
> preboard,
> >> asking us to deplane after everyone else,
> >> >>>>>> and altogether treating
> us as
> >> though we can't handle ourselves. For
> >> >>>>>> those who think the
> emergency exit
> >> row thing is not such a big deal and
> >> >>>>>> worth fighting over, let
> me remind
> >> you that a person as young as
> >> >>>>>> fifteen can sit there, a
> person
> >> served alcohol (either before boarding
> >> >>>>>> or on the plane) can sit
> there,
> >> and anyone who judges themselves (with
> >> >>>>>> the exceptions of the
> deaf, the
> >> blind, the non-English speaking, and
> >> >>>>>> the otherwise visibly
> disabled)
> >> can sit there. So basically, we're less
> >> >>>>>> competent, in the opinion
> of FFA,
> >> than a fifteen-year-old or a drunk.
> >> >>>>>> Others are allowed to
> judge their
> >> fitness for sitting there, but we
> >> >>>>>> cannot. Is that worth
> fighting
> >> about? Absolutely! Unfortunately, how
> >> >>>>>> society thinks of us in
> this
> >> context is very indicative of how society
> >> >>>>>> thinks of us in others.
> This might
> >> sound harsh, but it's unfortunately
> >> >>>>>> quite true. The bottom
> line here
> >> is that blind people are treated
> >> >>>>>> arbitrarily based on
> someone
> >> else's opinion of what we can do versus
> >> >>>>>> our own. Arbitrary
> treatment of
> >> this kind is not limited to disability
> >> >>>>>> in our past, but has also
> been
> >> used to separate People of Color from
> >> >>>>>> White folks back in the
> day and
> >> even now to an often invisible extent.
> >> >>>>>> That's why Federationists
> fought.
> >> Unfortunately, we did lose that
> >> >>>>>> battle, but that doesn't
> mean that
> >> we won't reserect it someday. I hope
> >> >>>>>> we do as I consider
> myself more
> >> capable of opening that exit than many
> >> >>>>>> sighted persons I know.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>> Respectfully,
> >> >>>>>> Jedi
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>> Original message:
> >> >>>>>>> Hello Peter,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>> I must say that NFB's
> issues
> >> with the airlines are an excellent
> >> >>>>>>> example
> >> >>>>>>> of the need to pick
> battles
> >> one can actually win.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>> It is my thought that
> the
> >> fight over the exit row was ridiculous.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>> There's only one case
> where it
> >> might be a legitimate issue. That would
> >> >>>>>>> be if it resulted in
> a blind
> >> person actually being denied the trip.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>> If the blind person
> can be
> >> reseated or a sighted one is voluntarily
> >> >>>>>>> bumped in order to
> secure the
> >> blind person's equal rights in the case
> >> >>>>>>> of
> >> >>>>>>> a packed flight, then
> the
> >> matter is resolved IMHO.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>> On 5/16/2010 11:50
> AM, Peter
> >> Donahue wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> Hello Briley and
> >> everyone,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>    If people
> >> would take the time to read Walking Alone and
> Marching
> >> >>>>>>>> Together they
> would learn
> >> of the federation's long struggle to secure
> >> >>>>>>>> equal
> >> >>>>>>>> access for the
> blind in
> >> air travel. It is a history filled with the
> >> >>>>>>>> kind of
> >> >>>>>>>> publicity and
> dribble that
> >> can result from incidents like this one,
> >> >>>>>>>> and
> >> >>>>>>>> much
> >> >>>>>>>> much more. Blind
> people
> >> had their canes taken away from them by
> >> >>>>>>>> airline
> >> >>>>>>>> personnel, were
> told they
> >> couldn't sit in seat rows other than the
> >> >>>>>>>> bulkhead
> >> >>>>>>>> if they used a
> guide dog,
> >> were told they needed to preboard and
> >> >>>>>>>> post-board,
> >> >>>>>>>> the list goes on.
> Read
> >> past issues of The Braille Monitor from the
> >> >>>>>>>> late
> >> >>>>>>>> 1980s and the
> early 1990s
> >> to get an idea of the kind of
> >> >>>>>>>> discrimination
> >> >>>>>>>> heaped on blind
> air
> >> passengers and why today we must still be on our
> >> >>>>>>>> guard
> >> >>>>>>>> when stories of
> this kind
> >> hit the media. Blind people were arrested
> >> >>>>>>>> and
> >> >>>>>>>> physically
> removed from
> >> planes and went to jail for doing nothing
> >> >>>>>>>> more
> >> >>>>>>>> than
> >> >>>>>>>> demanding to be
> treated
> >> like other passengers.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>    We
> >> successfully closed down a US Airways ticket
> counter for
> >> >>>>>>>> several
> >> >>>>>>>> hours due to
> their
> >> demanding a blind person move from an emergency
> >> >>>>>>>> exit
> >> >>>>>>>> row;
> >> >>>>>>>> a seat he was
> assigned in
> >> the first place. The NFB held several
> >> >>>>>>>> protest
> >> >>>>>>>> against the FAA
> and the
> >> DOT due to their unwillingness to take a hand
> >> >>>>>>>> in
> >> >>>>>>>> remedying the
> >> discriminatory treatment we experienced at the
> hands of
> >> >>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>>>>>> airlines and
> still do. I
> >> know because I took part in several of these
> >> >>>>>>>> activities.
> >> >>>>>>>> Other types of
> air
> >> passengers now experience similar treatment.
> Large
> >> >>>>>>>> passengers are an
> example.
> >> The NFB can teach the flying public a
> >> >>>>>>>> thing
> >> >>>>>>>> or
> >> >>>>>>>> two about
> fighting the
> >> horrible treatment now experienced all too
> >> >>>>>>>> often.
> >> >>>>>>>> They just need to
> learn to
> >> stop, as Dr. Maurer put it in 1986,
> >> >>>>>>>> "Sitting
> >> >>>>>>>> down
> >> >>>>>>>> and shutting
> up!"We as
> >> federationists need to remember these
> >> >>>>>>>> struggles
> >> >>>>>>>> and
> >> >>>>>>>> not take the
> freedom of
> >> travel we now have for granted. These
> >> >>>>>>>> nabsters
> >> >>>>>>>> aren't just
> squealing over
> >> nothing but are remembering our past and
> >> >>>>>>>> upholding our
> legacy of
> >> collective action by reacting the way they
> >> >>>>>>>> are.
> >> >>>>>>>> All
> >> >>>>>>>> the best.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>> ----- Original
> Message
> >> -----
> >> >>>>>>>> From: "Briley
> >> Pollard"<brileyp at gmail.com>
> >> >>>>>>>> To: "National
> Association
> >> of Blind Students mailing list"
> >> >>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May
> 16, 2010
> >> 9:39 AM
> >> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
> [nabs-l] Fwd:
> >> [Members] Airline apologizes for
> >> >>>>>>>> forgetting
> >> >>>>>>>> blindteen
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Valory,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Again, the reason
> this is
> >> upsetting is A, this girl, (from the way it
> >> >>>>>>>> was
> >> >>>>>>>> portrayed),
> isn't
> >> comfortable enough with herself to stand up for
> her
> >> >>>>>>>> rights, and B,
> (the
> >> biggest issue), how we're portrayed in the media.
> >> >>>>>>>> What
> >> >>>>>>>> is said about one
> of us is
> >> perceived to be a definition of all of us.
> >> >>>>>>>> Media
> >> >>>>>>>> coverage of us is
> so often
> >> negative and condescending, and yes, it
> >> >>>>>>>> does
> >> >>>>>>>> upset me, and yes
> it does
> >> push me to speak up about how this is not
> >> >>>>>>>> acceptable.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Briley
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>> On May 15, 2010,
> at 10:15
> >> PM, Valerie Gibson wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> I agree. 
> Seems
> >> to quick to point out someone else's fault and
> >> >>>>>>>>> become
> >> >>>>>>>>> indignant for
> all over
> >> one person's actions.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> There's just
> not
> >> enough imformation in the article to make such
> >> >>>>>>>>> judgement
> >> >>>>>>>>> calls.  We
> can
> >> only say what we would do in that situation, and
> >> >>>>>>>>> while
> >> >>>>>>>>> we
> >> >>>>>>>>> don't know
> this girl's
> >> background or mental capabilities it seems
> >> >>>>>>>>> unfair
> >> >>>>>>>>> to point
> fingers.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Perhaps she
> did not
> >> know that there are organisations like the NFB
> >> >>>>>>>>> who
> >> >>>>>>>>> could help
> her.
> >> Perhaps she has been told all of her life that
> she
> >> >>>>>>>>> needs
> >> >>>>>>>>> sighted help
> in
> >> everything.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> We've all
> been in a
> >> position where we did not know how to do things,
> >> >>>>>>>>> and
> >> >>>>>>>>> judging that
> you have
> >> found this mailing list, you've found the NFB
> >> >>>>>>>>> as
> >> >>>>>>>>> well as a
> sense of
> >> endependance.   Not everyone has done so.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> Does it look
> bad for
> >> the blind community? Yes.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> But how's
> this for a
> >> solution: try and find this girl and tell her
> >> >>>>>>>>> that
> >> >>>>>>>>> there are
> places where
> >> she can learn a bit of independance.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> On May 15,
> 2010, at
> >> 8:33 PM, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hello
> Sarah and
> >> all,
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> I think
> we may
> >> want to exercise care before judging this
> situation
> >> >>>>>>>>>> too
> >> >>>>>>>>>> quickly.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> Many
> times while
> >> traveling by air, flight attendants have asked
> >> >>>>>>>>>> that
> >> >>>>>>>>>> I
> >> >>>>>>>>>> wait
> until the
> >> plane has emptied before leaving. Sometimes I do
> >> >>>>>>>>>> this
> >> >>>>>>>>>> and
> >> >>>>>>>>>> sometimes
> I
> >> don't.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> If
> Jessica were
> >> asked to wait, then she were forgotten, then she
> >> >>>>>>>>>> certainly
> does
> >> have a very legitimate complaint here.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> We also
> need to
> >> keep in mind that members of the blind community
> >> >>>>>>>>>> have
> >> >>>>>>>>>> wide
> ranging
> >> capabilities and other disabilities with which
> they
> >> >>>>>>>>>> must
> >> >>>>>>>>>> cope.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> As
> always, this
> >> just comes down to the fact we all must exercise
> >> >>>>>>>>>> our
> >> >>>>>>>>>> due
> >> >>>>>>>>>> diligence
> while
> >> performing our jobs to avoid problems of this
> sort.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>> On
> 5/15/2010 4:19
> >> PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I
> think she
> >> should have gotten off the plain by her self. How
> hard
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> can
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> that
> be?
> >> just  get off and turn right and go up the ramp
> thing
> >> and
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> turn
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> left
> and get
> >> out and then wait for your escort. but here's the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> story.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> Airline
> >> apologizes for forgetting blind teen
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> Edmonton
> >> Journal , May 15, 2010
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> United
> >> Airlines has apologized to a blind woman from
> Vancouver
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> Island
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> who
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> was
> abandoned
> >> on an empty plane in Chicago.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> Jessica Cabot
> >> of Courtenay, B.C., made headlines this week
> after
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> she
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> went
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> public about
> >> being forgotten in an empty United Airlines plane
> on
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> an
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> April
> 7
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> stopover in
> >> Chicago.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> The
> >> 18-year-old was waiting for flight attendants to
> escort her
> >> to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> connecting
> >> flight to Florida when she heard the plane door
> seal
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> shut.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ten
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> minutes later
> >> two maintenance staff happened to find her on an
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> unscheduled
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> check
> of the
> >> plane.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> She
> panicked
> >> in the plane, calling for help.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> After
> a series
> >> of complaints, Cabot received a $250 airline
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> voucher
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> and
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> promise of an
> >> apology. Five weeks after her flight and a series
> of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> news
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> stories later,
> >> she finally got one.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "They
> just
> >> called," said Cabot, on the phone from
> Jacksonville,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> Fla.,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> where
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> she
> is
> >> visiting her fiance. "I can't even count how many
> times
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> they
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> said
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> sorry."
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
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From herekittykat2 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 27 10:41:09 2010
From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel S.)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 06:41:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Acronis
In-Reply-To: <928225.69787.qm@web53803.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Acronis sells data backup software. This software is very useful for
someone who has very important programs and/or documents on their
computer. Data backup is often used in the workplace and by people who
work from home.

I have never used Acronis, but I have heard of them. For those who are
interested, their website is <http://www.acronis.com>.

Have you tried the free universal restore? It's available only until
June 30th. I know that's only 3 days away, but it's free. Maybe give
that trial a try to see if it's any good for your purposes?

~Jewel

On 6/26/10, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> What is Acronis?
> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze
> among flowers.
> Hellen Keller
>
>
> --- On Sat, 6/26/10, Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Acronis
>> To: "NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Saturday, June 26, 2010, 6:00 PM
>> Has anyone ever downloaded any
>> programs from Acronis?
>>
>> Nicole
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From ntorcolini at wavecable.com  Sun Jun 27 16:02:49 2010
From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 09:02:49 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Acronis
References: <ABB17CBD89EB4984B82DE410408F38DE@stanford.edu><928225.69787.qm@web53803.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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I'm writing because I just downloaded their drive monitor, and it seems to 
be completely inaccessible.  To make matters worse, the same seems to be 
true for the forms on their website; the continue and submit buttons seem to 
be invisible to JAWS, so I cannot write to them.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 3:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Acronis


> Acronis sells data backup software. This software is very useful for
> someone who has very important programs and/or documents on their
> computer. Data backup is often used in the workplace and by people who
> work from home.
>
> I have never used Acronis, but I have heard of them. For those who are
> interested, their website is <http://www.acronis.com>.
>
> Have you tried the free universal restore? It's available only until
> June 30th. I know that's only 3 days away, but it's free. Maybe give
> that trial a try to see if it's any good for your purposes?
>
> ~Jewel
>
> On 6/26/10, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> What is Acronis?
>> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
>> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a 
>> breeze
>> among flowers.
>> Hellen Keller
>>
>>
>> --- On Sat, 6/26/10, Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Acronis
>>> To: "NABS-L" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Date: Saturday, June 26, 2010, 6:00 PM
>>> Has anyone ever downloaded any
>>> programs from Acronis?
>>>
>>> Nicole
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From pyyhkala at gmail.com  Sun Jun 27 16:56:18 2010
From: pyyhkala at gmail.com (Mika Pyyhkala)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 12:56:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation History
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Yes, we also need to do something on a more macro level.
>From time to time when communicating with the airlines, I have
provided them with a link to Dr. Maurer's banquet speech made the last
time we were in Atlanta, when he extensively discussed airline issues
in two parts of the speech.

That said, when individuals experience disservice, they should be
compenwsated.  I hear a lot of stories about blind people
experienceing dis-service where they are not being compensated.
Travel vouchers, upgrades, extra miles, or complimentary changes to
tickets are the primary ways the airlines compensate anybody on an
informal basis regardless of the nature of the disservice.

While its best to speak with a CRO as soon as possible, one can
certainly talk to a CRO once you land at your final destination, or
you can submit a complaint after the trip.

I mostly fly out of large airports, and there are some good CROs at
large and small airports.

Even when I was an undergraduate, I had a relationship with the CRO's
at Continental at Boston which is the carrier I flew on the most.  I
remember I had an issue where a commuter pilot told me I had to sit in
the front seat.  After talking to a CRO, I asked if it would be
possible for me to come back in on another day and view the carriers
disability training video, and also receive a tour of their facilities
so I would be more familiar with gate locations, and other ameneties.

On at leatt 4 occasions I recall, I have been given a tour by a CRO.
This is a good nonconfrontational way to talk  to them, and it really
helps you if you know where all items are, etc so you don't have to
ask for special assistance or not really know the layout of the place.

One could argue they are obligated to do this bbased on DOT
regulations requiring parity of information for people who are blind,
but frankly, whenever I have asked they have been glad to do it.

I have actually had pretty good luck in the last year dealing with the
Southwest customer relations department and others at that carrier.
When I have had a complaint, they have usually readily admitted that
their actions violated federal regulations rather than being evasive
or beating around the bush.

I have recently been in communication with Southwest in regards to an
issue where customer service agents were entering an SSR in my record
requesting assistance even though I had not requested that they do so.
 Southwest tells me that they have issued a directive to their
stations not to do this, and they have advised me in writing that this
is counter to their practices, procedures, and applicable DOT
regulations.  They have also issued compensation based on a series of
incidents where an SSR was entered against my will and without my
consent.

On another occasion in the last year, after I told a Southwest flight
attendant I was fine, etc., she proceeded to randomly go up to the
passenger sitting next to me, and told him to put my oxygen mask on
for me in the event of an emergency.  I spoke to a CRO upon landing,
and the results were mixed.  While the CRO did conduct a relatively
thorough investigation and interviews with the crew, and completed a
report, she initially only offered me $25 in compensation which I did
not think was adequate.  Then she upped it to $50, but she also tried
to keep pulling out the safety card and said that surely they were
doing this out of a concern for safety.

I wasn't really feeling good that the whole issue had gotten resolved,
so when Jonathan Mosen mentioned Southwest Airlines in one of his
tweets, on Twitter, I replied describing the incident in the 140
characters.

With in an hour the Southwest Twitter representative reached out to
me, and appologized, and gave me her email address.

Many of the airlines, and most all travel writers are active on
Twitter.  There is no reason why Twitter can't be used to promote
accessibility and civil rights in an airline context.

With in a couple of weeks, I received a more formal written response
acknowledging that the behavior was a violation of Part 382
regulations, and an additional $100 in travel credit.

I also requested that they give me a direct contact in the applicable
department so I don't have to just "call the 800 number" if I have an
issue.  I had a little pull with them also because I am flying 2 or 3
times a month with them, and several times at Boston they told me I
was one of their top frequent flyers. :)

I also have worked with their IT department to correct an issue where
boarding passes did not have alt-text that shoed the passengers
boarding letter and boarding position number.  They corrected this
with in about one month of being made aware of the issue.

I have also made them aware that their  upcoming WiFi service should
be tested to ensure accessibility, eg captcha issues.  They inform me
that this has been put on the radar screen of the Southwest project
manager handling the WiFi roll out, and that they don't expect captcha
to be an issue when they launc their service with Row 44 which is an
airline WiFi provider.

Finally I was recently in touch with them, because, a recent version
of their iPhone app broke accessibility, and namely there are now a
lot of unlabeled buttons.  I have not gotten a definitive answer yet
as to the iPhone app.  I'm sure it would help the cause if more of you
who either have iPhones or who are thinking of ever buying an iPhone,
submitted feedback on their web page to customer relations.  On their
form where you submit issues, there are disability specific categories
you can pick that will direct your comments to the team that handles
disability issues.

If you can't write a full letter, etc. at least send them a tweet
about the iPhone app
@southwestair

There is nothing magical about this "work," it just takes persistance,
and I know it would be better if more got involved.

Similar story with the mentioned in flighe entertainment systems.
Virgin America has a totally inaccdessible touch screen based system
which you use to order food, drinks, and entertain yourself.  However,
again, I don't think that carrier has been delluged with letters or
emails about that, and I don't know that people have filed DOT
complaints in the event that either Delta or Virgin America have not
appeared to make a good faith effort to correct their IFE issues.

Best,
Mika



On 6/26/10, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks for that advice. I think I will try that in the Little Rock airport
> but I don't think this would be possible in bigger airports such as New
> York's JFK or London's Heathro. However, as I said in my previous email can
> be done about Delta's airlines in flight intertainment system not be
> excessable for the blind? When a blind person takes a international flight
> with Delta Airlines they can not even call the flight attendent with out
> sighted assistant because the whole system is touch screen.
> cheers,
> Anmol
> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps
> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze
> among flowers.
> Hellen Keller
>
>
> --- On Sat, 6/26/10, Mika Pyyhkala <pyyhkala at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Mika Pyyhkala <pyyhkala at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation History
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Saturday, June 26, 2010, 12:21 PM
>> The DOT has issued specific
>> directives to the airlines that they
>> cannot require a passenger, such as a blind person, to
>> accept a
>> wheelchair.
>>
>> If people are being told they are required to sit in a
>> wheelchair,
>> this is certainly something you should escallate to a CRO
>> and
>> depending on the circumstances be compensated for.
>>
>> Don't fall in to the trap of worrying too much if you miss
>> your
>> connection.  If you miss your connecting flight
>> because of say having
>> to work out an issue with a CRO the airline will
>> accommodate you on
>> their next scheduled flight.  In certain
>> circumstances, they also
>> might accommodate you on another airline, etc.
>>
>> If I missed my flight because of a situation with a CRO,
>> I'd certainly
>> ask them to upgrade me to first class on the reaccommodated
>> flight.
>>
>> I think members of the public, blind or not, don't really
>> "get" that
>> these airport supervisors and agents to a large extent can
>> waive any
>> rule, or do anything with your ticket.  They can
>> change your flight,
>> upgrade you, put you on another airline, waive change fees,
>> waive fare
>> differences, put you up in a hotel, etc.  They usually
>> arent' required
>> to do these things, but they can and do them under certain
>> circumstances.
>>
>> Lets just say hypothetically someone traveling to our
>> convention in
>> Dallas encounters the"you must sit in a wheelchair,"
>> issue.  I would
>> say fair compensation might be they upgrade you for the
>> rest of your
>> trip.  Or maybe you booked the 6AM flight for your
>> return because it
>> was cheap, it would also be fair for a CRO to say put you
>> on a 2:00PM
>> flight with no charge due to your issue with the
>> wheelchair
>> contractor, and waive the change fees and fare
>> differences.
>>
>> Otherwise a $100 travel voucher is pretty "standard"
>> compensation, of
>> course sometimes less and sometimes more.
>>
>> Your mileage will vary, and remember work with your
>> CRO.  If you "work
>> with them" and they "work with you" you should be able to
>> get the
>> situation resolved.
>>
>> I would also recommend that you not even request
>> assistance.  A lot of
>> trouble comes up because you guys request the
>> assistance.  If you can
>> corss a street or take a subway, I am sure you can navigate
>> an
>> airport.  Once in security, airports are not that hard
>> to get around.
>> Much easier than say shopping malls or other places you may
>> visit.
>>
>> The lingo you want to tell them when you check in is that
>> you don't
>> want any SSR (special service request) in your PNR
>> (passenger name
>> record.)
>>
>> Eg "I don't want any SSR entered in my PNR."
>>
>> They will be surprised you know this lingo, and again, lots
>> iof issud
>> come up because the SSR is in there.
>>
>> Best
>> Mika
>>
>> On 6/25/10, Anmol Bhatia <anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> > One time when changing planes at Saint Louis airport,
>> the person who was
>> > suppose to assist me came with a wheelchair and I like
>> you and like I always
>> > do said that I do need a wheelchair. I to got the
>> responce that he can not
>> > take me unless I take a wheelchair. The plane was
>> de-boarding us and picking
>> > up other passengers for the next distanation. The gate
>> agent was busy
>> > boarding the next flight and said to me "will you just
>> sit in the
>> > wheelchair"? Since I did not want to make a seen and
>> since he was busy I
>> > went ahead and did just that. But a vary interesting
>> thing happened! As soon
>> > as we left the gate, the person pushing the wheelchair
>> said "you did not
>> > want to sit in the wheelchair and they forced you to"?
>> I said yes. He said
>> > "we depend on tips and I know you will not tip me
>> since you did not ask for
>> > it". He turned around and took me back to the gate and
>> told the same agent
>> > that I did not want to sit in a wheelchair and they
>> rely on tips and I was
>> > not
>> >  going to give him a tip. The agent had to call a
>> airline employee and ask
>> > them to walk me to the gate where my next flight was.
>> This was great because
>> > the wheelchair person was the person who came to my
>> rescue and I did not
>> > even have to give a tip since it was a airline
>> employee assisting me and
>> > they are not allowed to except tips.
>> > Just out of wonder, can the airline make you sit in a
>> wheelchair if you do
>> > not want to? Perhaps this is another issue the NFB can
>> work on. The airports
>> > use the same staff the department who is assisting
>> people with special needs
>> > which is usually wheelchair people and thats why they
>> always have a
>> > wheelchair. Perhaps when the passengers let it be
>> known that they are blind,
>> > they should just have someone to basically walk us to
>> our next gate.
>> > Was is your thoughts?
>> > Anmol
>> > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never
>> make me sad. Perhaps
>> > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is
>> vague, like a breeze
>> > among flowers.
>> > Hellen Keller
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Fri, 6/25/10, Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: Ignasi Cambra <ignasicambra at gmail.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Airlines and Federation
>> History
>> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students
>> mailing list"
>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Date: Friday, June 25, 2010, 9:51 AM
>> >> One time I got to the Atlanta
>> >> airport, and had 45 minutes to make it to my next
>> flight.
>> >> The person that was supposed to assist me came
>> relatively on
>> >> time, with a wheelchair. I told him I didn't need
>> or want a
>> >> wheelchair, and he literally told me that if I
>> didn't get on
>> >> the chair, he wasn't taking me anywhere. Besides
>> that, the
>> >> guy seemed terribly scared of my guide dog. A
>> passenger on
>> >> my flight just told me that he was going just a
>> couple of
>> >> gates away from mine, so I just left with him and
>> let the
>> >> airport employee leave with his wheelchair to do
>> whatever he
>> >> had to do. I never took any action about this,
>> just because
>> >> I didn't have any time.
>> >> On Jun 23, 2010, at 11:47 AM, Mika Pyyhkala
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > (story below of being asked to leave a plane
>> due to a
>> >> safety breifing issue)
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't think the blind should be
>> categorically denied
>> >> access to the
>> >> > exit rows, and I agree with Steve Jacobson's
>> >> comments.  It would be
>> >> > interesting to talk with Steve about his
>> experiences
>> >> in the 80's and
>> >> > 90's.
>> >> >
>> >> > The airline and exit row issue was one of the
>> main
>> >> things that got me
>> >> > interested in the NFB.
>> >> >
>> >> > There is another less known about rule that
>> was
>> >> adopted by the FAA
>> >> > initially at the same time that the initial
>> ACAA Part
>> >> 382 regulations
>> >> > were adopted by DOT.  This little known
>> about
>> >> rule concerns certain
>> >> > requirements that could imply that a blind
>> person must
>> >> receive an
>> >> > individual safety briefing, on top of the
>> general
>> >> safety briefing that
>> >> > is issued to all passengers.
>> >> >
>> >> > We in the federation object to any sort of
>> requirement
>> >> that the blind
>> >> > be subjected to some sort of additional
>> compulsory
>> >> safety briefing on
>> >> > the basis of blindness.  If a blind person
>> >> believes some kind of extra
>> >> > breifing would be helpful to them, they can
>> request
>> >> it.  However, the
>> >> > blind should not be required to receive an
>> extra
>> >> briefing soley based
>> >> > on blindness.
>> >> >
>> >> > Imagine if you will, if a blind person flew 3
>> times
>> >> per week.  Believe
>> >> > it or not, there are people that fly 3 times
>> per
>> >> week.  If you look at
>> >> > this safety briefing notion, imagine then
>> that in
>> >> theory the blind
>> >> > person that flys three times per week would
>> have to
>> >> receive some kind
>> >> > of "extra" "special" briefing that nobody
>> else is
>> >> required to receive.
>> >> > In fact,  the blind person that flys three
>> times
>> >> per week most likely
>> >> > knows the particulars of the aircraft more
>> than 95% of
>> >> travelers.  It
>> >> > is completely arbitrary and capricious to
>> require
>> >> blind people to
>> >> > receive these special briefings soley based
>> on ones
>> >> blindness.
>> >> >
>> >> > This discussion is also not just an academic
>> one, or
>> >> one just about
>> >> > theories and philosophy, or some kind of
>> table top
>> >> exercise.
>> >> >
>> >> > I fly on average about 2 to 4 times a month.
>> >> Fortunately, usually,
>> >> > there is not a major issue with the safety
>> briefings.
>> >> >
>> >> > However, I took a flight on Monday June 21st
>> where
>> >> initially
>> >> > immediately when I boarded, the flight
>> attendant
>> >> indicated that I
>> >> > would have to receive a special briefing.
>> Where
>> >> as with other
>> >> > passengers, the flight attendants greeted
>> them as they
>> >> boarded, I was
>> >> > initially "greeted," with the noted
>> statement.
>> >> >
>> >> > I told the flight attendant repeatedly that I
>> did not
>> >> want or need a
>> >> > "special briefing," and he kept insisting
>> that his
>> >> manual said that he
>> >> > was required by the FAA to provide such a
>> breifing.
>> >> >
>> >> > I asked for a CRO, Complaint Resolution
>> Official, and
>> >> then at least 1
>> >> > agent and 2 supervisors became involved.
>> >> >
>> >> > The agents and supervisors told the flight
>> attendant
>> >> that I was a
>> >> > frequent flyer, and didn't needd a "special
>> >> breifing."
>> >> >
>> >> > Then one of the agents said that they would
>> volunteer
>> >> to fly on the
>> >> > flight with me if this would make the flight
>> attendant
>> >> feel more
>> >> > comfortable.  I told them that while this
>> may
>> >> have been well intended,
>> >> > that it was not a good or solid solution to
>> the
>> >> problem.  I told them
>> >> > I still wanted to speak to a CRO myself.
>> >> >
>> >> > Now mind you all this was going on in the
>> middle of a
>> >> moderately full
>> >> > flight, and again, at this point I was in my
>> seat.
>> >> >
>> >> > Then a CRO came to my seat, and said that I
>> was to
>> >> take my things and
>> >> > come with her off the plane, and that they
>> were going
>> >> to rebook me on
>> >> > another flight.  I asked her if they were
>> going
>> >> to compensate me, and
>> >> > she said absolutely they would compensate
>> me.
>> >> She did actually do
>> >> > this in pretty much as quiet and as
>> discretely a way
>> >> as she could
>> >> > have.
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't know exactly what they would have
>> done if I
>> >> were to have told
>> >> > them I was not going to get off the plane.
>> >> However, several of our
>> >> > brothers and sisters in the NFB do have
>> stories of
>> >> telling "them" that
>> >> > they would not get off the plane.
>> >> >
>> >> > I chose to get off the plane because the
>> flight
>> >> attendant made me feel
>> >> > uncomfortable and unwelcome, because I was
>> confident
>> >> these gate agents
>> >> > were in fact going to do whatever they could
>> do to
>> >> help me, and
>> >> > because in some wayys I did not want to find
>> out what
>> >> would happen if
>> >> > I told them I would not get off.  But in
>> other
>> >> ways, I was curious
>> >> > about it.
>> >> >
>> >> > You have to remember also that, the way these
>> FAA and
>> >> DOT regulations
>> >> > are written, because NFB did not get what we
>> wanted,
>> >> there may be
>> >> > something the airline and flight attendant
>> could use
>> >> to try to say
>> >> > that we qre required to receive the special
>> >> briefing.  I am
>> >> > researching the particulars of the
>> applicable
>> >> regulations.
>> >> >
>> >> > Once we got off the plane, I told the gate
>> agents I
>> >> wanted them to
>> >> > rebook me on another airline to a city closer
>> to where
>> >> I was going,
>> >> > and they obliged without any objections or
>> fuss or
>> >> trouble.
>> >> >
>> >> > Also for my compensation they issued a
>> roundtrip
>> >> flight voucher which
>> >> > is this carriers usual compensation for a
>> denied
>> >> boarding situation.
>> >> > Again they issued the compensation without
>> any fuss or
>> >> difficulty.
>> >> >
>> >> > The next day, on my return flight, I ran in
>> to the
>> >> supervisor who had
>> >> > asked me to leave the plane.  She said that
>> they
>> >> were going to have a
>> >> > conference call with the station managers,
>> the flight
>> >> attendants duty
>> >> > manager, and others and that likely "some
>> action will
>> >> be taken against
>> >> > the flight attendant."
>> >> >
>> >> > The CRO supervisor had the wherewithall to
>> say that
>> >> while the "manual"
>> >> > might say that you always brief a blind
>> passenger
>> >> separately, that no
>> >> > manual can account for every individual
>> situation.
>> >> >
>> >> > In conclusion it also really occurs to me
>> that most
>> >> blind people need
>> >> > to learn more about the nuts and bolts of how
>> airlines
>> >> work, how to
>> >> > deal with CRO's, etc.  The stories I hear
>> are
>> >> just crazy, eg, blind
>> >> > people saying they were required to use a
>> wheelchair
>> >> or other odd
>> >> > things.
>> >> >
>> >> > If you  learn how the airlines work, learn
>> how to
>> >> work with your CRO,
>> >> > if they get to know you at the airport, you
>> really
>> >> often can have a
>> >> > good experience.
>> >> >
>> >> > Working with a CRO, as I described it in an
>> email
>> >> yesterday to my
>> >> > sister, is sort of a dance of carrots and
>> sticks and
>> >> give and take.
>> >> >
>> >> > In general, the law does not require the
>> airline or
>> >> the CRO to make
>> >> > your travel more comfortable, pleasant or for
>> them to
>> >> compensate you
>> >> > or really work with you.  The regulations
>> have a
>> >> lot of requirements,
>> >> > but a lot of them are administrative.  And
>> if any
>> >> dollars are to be
>> >> > paid out, its usually fines a carrier would
>> pay to the
>> >> government.
>> >> > That said, if the CRO wants to help you, they
>> really
>> >> can do a lot for
>> >> > you, but again typically they aren't
>> required
>> >> too.  If they wanted to
>> >> > make your life miserable, they could do that
>> >> too...this would be
>> >> > especially rellevant if you are a very
>> frequent
>> >> flyer.
>> >> >
>> >> > There is also nothing to say you as the
>> passenger have
>> >> to make life
>> >> > easy for the airline.  Your free to file a
>> DOT
>> >> complaint whenever they
>> >> > screw up.  Almost always if a situation
>> >> escallates to the point of
>> >> > needing a CRO, they will screw up on some
>> technicality
>> >> of the
>> >> > regulation and usually more than one.  When
>> you
>> >> file a compalint with
>> >> > DOT it gets tagged against the carrier, and
>> DOT
>> >> completes an
>> >> > investigation similar to that of when a
>> member of
>> >> congress makes an
>> >> > inquiry to the agency.  Its a lot of
>> paperwork
>> >> for the airline and for
>> >> > DOT, and there are very specific ways they
>> have to
>> >> handle the
>> >> > complaint.  That said, if your satisfied
>> that the
>> >> CRO resolved an
>> >> > issue for you, you don't have to file a DOT
>> >> complaint.
>> >> >
>> >> > Hopefully this gives people a few things to
>> think
>> >> about.  And we
>> >> > really should do a seminar on how to deal
>> with the
>> >> airlines on a
>> >> > really practical in the field sense and not
>> just in
>> >> theory.  We should
>> >> > have some very frequent flyers and maybe a
>> real CRO
>> >> put the seminar
>> >> > on.
>> >> >
>> >> > Best,
>> >> > Mika
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 5/27/10, Briley Pollard <brileyp at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >> It is also important to note that
>> everyone else
>> >> who sits in those seats is
>> >> >> only instructed to give it up if they
>> "feel they
>> >> are not willing or able to
>> >> >> complete these tasks." Why should we not
>> be
>> >> permitted to use our own
>> >> >> judgment on this matter? We should have
>> to prove
>> >> it to someone else? I
>> >> >> should think not.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Briley
>> >> >> On May 27, 2010, at 4:58 AM, Jedi wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Antonio,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> It's kind of ridiculous that I should
>> have to
>> >> prove my capacity to open
>> >> >>> the door to anyone much less you when
>> sighted
>> >> people don't have to. That's
>> >> >>> the issue, isn't it? As you have
>> already
>> >> stated, there's no guarantee that
>> >> >>> all sighted people are truly capable
>> of
>> >> opening the door, but it's enough
>> >> >>> to know that they believe they can by
>> virtue
>> >> of the intelligence to figure
>> >> >>> it out. Lest anyone think that a
>> sighted
>> >> person would be able to figure
>> >> >>> out how to open the door by means of
>> reading
>> >> visual instructions, I should
>> >> >>> point out that not all sighted people
>> can
>> >> understand diagrams of that sort
>> >> >>> much less utilize them. Just a
>> thought. If the
>> >> cabin is dark or smoky,
>> >> >>> visual instructions won't help
>> anyone.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Respectfully,
>> >> >>> Jedi
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Original message:
>> >> >>>> Hi,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> Jedi, I wonder how you find
>> yourself more
>> >> capable to open the door, and
>> >> >>>> the
>> >> >>>> slide ramp better than many
>> people you
>> >> know if you haven't actually had
>> >> >>>> the
>> >> >>>> experience of, thus the ability
>> to learn
>> >> to deal with the equipment
>> >> >>>> before.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> Just as there are capable, and
>> not so
>> >> capable sighted people, many of
>> >> >>>> whom
>> >> >>>> can not open the door and the
>> slide, there
>> >> are many blind people who are
>> >> >>>> not
>> >> >>>> capable of performing the
>> duties.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> I for one don't mind, and don't
>> care to
>> >> sit in exit sitting, as long as I
>> >> >>>> can sit in a place more or less
>> determined
>> >> by me. That would mean I would
>> >> >>>> not choose to sit in a bulk head
>> seat.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> If the airline can pre-screen for
>> likely
>> >> liabilities, IE. blind passenger
>> >> >>>> who can't see the handle for the
>> ramp,
>> >> they will. And if I can be seated
>> >> >>>> in
>> >> >>>> a reasonable fashion, and get to
>> my
>> >> destination without snag, I am fine,
>> >> >>>> and
>> >> >>>> feel treated fairly for the
>> services the
>> >> airline offers.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> Student, Western Governors
>> University
>> >> >>>> (617) 744-9716
>> >> >>>> Eastern time zone
>> >> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >>>> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>> >> >>>> To: "National Association of
>> Blind
>> >> Students mailing list"
>> >> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:18
>> PM
>> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Airlines
>> and
>> >> Federation History
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>> You make some very good
>> points
>> >> here.  I don't think that some are
>> >> >>>>> realizing how little is
>> really
>> >> expected of most people who choose to sit
>> >> >>>>> in an exit row.  One thing
>> I
>> >> >>>>> forgot to mention when I was
>> writing
>> >> about why we were as upset as we
>> >> >>>>> were
>> >> >>>>> about exit rows in the 80's
>> is that
>> >> there was a policy considered that
>> >> >>>>> would have not
>> >> >>>>> only prohibited us from
>> sitting in
>> >> exit rows, we would also have been
>> >> >>>>> prohibited from the row in
>> front of or
>> >> behind an exit row.  That would
>> >> >>>>> have excluded us from
>> >> >>>>> quite a number of seats on
>> some
>> >> planes.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>> Best regards,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>> Steve Jacobson
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>> On Tue, 18 May 2010 01:24:46
>> -0400,
>> >> Jedi wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>> PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE read
>> Walking
>> >> Alone and Marching Together! Peter
>> >> >>>>>> can't have given a
>> better
>> >> suggestion!
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>> Unfortunately folks, this
>> is
>> >> exactly the press that makes airlines
>> >> >>>>>> think we can't do for
>> ourselves
>> >> thus asking us not to sit in emergency
>> >> >>>>>> exits, asking us to
>> preboard,
>> >> asking us to deplane after everyone else,
>> >> >>>>>> and altogether treating
>> us as
>> >> though we can't handle ourselves. For
>> >> >>>>>> those who think the
>> emergency exit
>> >> row thing is not such a big deal and
>> >> >>>>>> worth fighting over, let
>> me remind
>> >> you that a person as young as
>> >> >>>>>> fifteen can sit there, a
>> person
>> >> served alcohol (either before boarding
>> >> >>>>>> or on the plane) can sit
>> there,
>> >> and anyone who judges themselves (with
>> >> >>>>>> the exceptions of the
>> deaf, the
>> >> blind, the non-English speaking, and
>> >> >>>>>> the otherwise visibly
>> disabled)
>> >> can sit there. So basically, we're less
>> >> >>>>>> competent, in the opinion
>> of FFA,
>> >> than a fifteen-year-old or a drunk.
>> >> >>>>>> Others are allowed to
>> judge their
>> >> fitness for sitting there, but we
>> >> >>>>>> cannot. Is that worth
>> fighting
>> >> about? Absolutely! Unfortunately, how
>> >> >>>>>> society thinks of us in
>> this
>> >> context is very indicative of how society
>> >> >>>>>> thinks of us in others.
>> This might
>> >> sound harsh, but it's unfortunately
>> >> >>>>>> quite true. The bottom
>> line here
>> >> is that blind people are treated
>> >> >>>>>> arbitrarily based on
>> someone
>> >> else's opinion of what we can do versus
>> >> >>>>>> our own. Arbitrary
>> treatment of
>> >> this kind is not limited to disability
>> >> >>>>>> in our past, but has also
>> been
>> >> used to separate People of Color from
>> >> >>>>>> White folks back in the
>> day and
>> >> even now to an often invisible extent.
>> >> >>>>>> That's why Federationists
>> fought.
>> >> Unfortunately, we did lose that
>> >> >>>>>> battle, but that doesn't
>> mean that
>> >> we won't reserect it someday. I hope
>> >> >>>>>> we do as I consider
>> myself more
>> >> capable of opening that exit than many
>> >> >>>>>> sighted persons I know.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>> Respectfully,
>> >> >>>>>> Jedi
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>> Original message:
>> >> >>>>>>> Hello Peter,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>> I must say that NFB's
>> issues
>> >> with the airlines are an excellent
>> >> >>>>>>> example
>> >> >>>>>>> of the need to pick
>> battles
>> >> one can actually win.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>> It is my thought that
>> the
>> >> fight over the exit row was ridiculous.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>> There's only one case
>> where it
>> >> might be a legitimate issue. That would
>> >> >>>>>>> be if it resulted in
>> a blind
>> >> person actually being denied the trip.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>> If the blind person
>> can be
>> >> reseated or a sighted one is voluntarily
>> >> >>>>>>> bumped in order to
>> secure the
>> >> blind person's equal rights in the case
>> >> >>>>>>> of
>> >> >>>>>>> a packed flight, then
>> the
>> >> matter is resolved IMHO.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>> On 5/16/2010 11:50
>> AM, Peter
>> >> Donahue wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>>> Hello Briley and
>> >> everyone,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>    If people
>> >> would take the time to read Walking Alone and
>> Marching
>> >> >>>>>>>> Together they
>> would learn
>> >> of the federation's long struggle to secure
>> >> >>>>>>>> equal
>> >> >>>>>>>> access for the
>> blind in
>> >> air travel. It is a history filled with the
>> >> >>>>>>>> kind of
>> >> >>>>>>>> publicity and
>> dribble that
>> >> can result from incidents like this one,
>> >> >>>>>>>> and
>> >> >>>>>>>> much
>> >> >>>>>>>> much more. Blind
>> people
>> >> had their canes taken away from them by
>> >> >>>>>>>> airline
>> >> >>>>>>>> personnel, were
>> told they
>> >> couldn't sit in seat rows other than the
>> >> >>>>>>>> bulkhead
>> >> >>>>>>>> if they used a
>> guide dog,
>> >> were told they needed to preboard and
>> >> >>>>>>>> post-board,
>> >> >>>>>>>> the list goes on.
>> Read
>> >> past issues of The Braille Monitor from the
>> >> >>>>>>>> late
>> >> >>>>>>>> 1980s and the
>> early 1990s
>> >> to get an idea of the kind of
>> >> >>>>>>>> discrimination
>> >> >>>>>>>> heaped on blind
>> air
>> >> passengers and why today we must still be on our
>> >> >>>>>>>> guard
>> >> >>>>>>>> when stories of
>> this kind
>> >> hit the media. Blind people were arrested
>> >> >>>>>>>> and
>> >> >>>>>>>> physically
>> removed from
>> >> planes and went to jail for doing nothing
>> >> >>>>>>>> more
>> >> >>>>>>>> than
>> >> >>>>>>>> demanding to be
>> treated
>> >> like other passengers.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>    We
>> >> successfully closed down a US Airways ticket
>> counter for
>> >> >>>>>>>> several
>> >> >>>>>>>> hours due to
>> their
>> >> demanding a blind person move from an emergency
>> >> >>>>>>>> exit
>> >> >>>>>>>> row;
>> >> >>>>>>>> a seat he was
>> assigned in
>> >> the first place. The NFB held several
>> >> >>>>>>>> protest
>> >> >>>>>>>> against the FAA
>> and the
>> >> DOT due to their unwillingness to take a hand
>> >> >>>>>>>> in
>> >> >>>>>>>> remedying the
>> >> discriminatory treatment we experienced at the
>> hands of
>> >> >>>>>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>>>> airlines and
>> still do. I
>> >> know because I took part in several of these
>> >> >>>>>>>> activities.
>> >> >>>>>>>> Other types of
>> air
>> >> passengers now experience similar treatment.
>> Large
>> >> >>>>>>>> passengers are an
>> example.
>> >> The NFB can teach the flying public a
>> >> >>>>>>>> thing
>> >> >>>>>>>> or
>> >> >>>>>>>> two about
>> fighting the
>> >> horrible treatment now experienced all too
>> >> >>>>>>>> often.
>> >> >>>>>>>> They just need to
>> learn to
>> >> stop, as Dr. Maurer put it in 1986,
>> >> >>>>>>>> "Sitting
>> >> >>>>>>>> down
>> >> >>>>>>>> and shutting
>> up!"We as
>> >> federationists need to remember these
>> >> >>>>>>>> struggles
>> >> >>>>>>>> and
>> >> >>>>>>>> not take the
>> freedom of
>> >> travel we now have for granted. These
>> >> >>>>>>>> nabsters
>> >> >>>>>>>> aren't just
>> squealing over
>> >> nothing but are remembering our past and
>> >> >>>>>>>> upholding our
>> legacy of
>> >> collective action by reacting the way they
>> >> >>>>>>>> are.
>> >> >>>>>>>> All
>> >> >>>>>>>> the best.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Peter Donahue
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> ----- Original
>> Message
>> >> -----
>> >> >>>>>>>> From: "Briley
>> >> Pollard"<brileyp at gmail.com>
>> >> >>>>>>>> To: "National
>> Association
>> >> of Blind Students mailing list"
>> >> >>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May
>> 16, 2010
>> >> 9:39 AM
>> >> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re:
>> [nabs-l] Fwd:
>> >> [Members] Airline apologizes for
>> >> >>>>>>>> forgetting
>> >> >>>>>>>> blindteen
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Valory,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Again, the reason
>> this is
>> >> upsetting is A, this girl, (from the way it
>> >> >>>>>>>> was
>> >> >>>>>>>> portrayed),
>> isn't
>> >> comfortable enough with herself to stand up for
>> her
>> >> >>>>>>>> rights, and B,
>> (the
>> >> biggest issue), how we're portrayed in the media.
>> >> >>>>>>>> What
>> >> >>>>>>>> is said about one
>> of us is
>> >> perceived to be a definition of all of us.
>> >> >>>>>>>> Media
>> >> >>>>>>>> coverage of us is
>> so often
>> >> negative and condescending, and yes, it
>> >> >>>>>>>> does
>> >> >>>>>>>> upset me, and yes
>> it does
>> >> push me to speak up about how this is not
>> >> >>>>>>>> acceptable.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> Briley
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>> On May 15, 2010,
>> at 10:15
>> >> PM, Valerie Gibson wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> I agree.
>> Seems
>> >> to quick to point out someone else's fault and
>> >> >>>>>>>>> become
>> >> >>>>>>>>> indignant for
>> all over
>> >> one person's actions.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> There's just
>> not
>> >> enough imformation in the article to make such
>> >> >>>>>>>>> judgement
>> >> >>>>>>>>> calls.  We
>> can
>> >> only say what we would do in that situation, and
>> >> >>>>>>>>> while
>> >> >>>>>>>>> we
>> >> >>>>>>>>> don't know
>> this girl's
>> >> background or mental capabilities it seems
>> >> >>>>>>>>> unfair
>> >> >>>>>>>>> to point
>> fingers.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Perhaps she
>> did not
>> >> know that there are organisations like the NFB
>> >> >>>>>>>>> who
>> >> >>>>>>>>> could help
>> her.
>> >> Perhaps she has been told all of her life that
>> she
>> >> >>>>>>>>> needs
>> >> >>>>>>>>> sighted help
>> in
>> >> everything.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> We've all
>> been in a
>> >> position where we did not know how to do things,
>> >> >>>>>>>>> and
>> >> >>>>>>>>> judging that
>> you have
>> >> found this mailing list, you've found the NFB
>> >> >>>>>>>>> as
>> >> >>>>>>>>> well as a
>> sense of
>> >> endependance.   Not everyone has done so.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> Does it look
>> bad for
>> >> the blind community? Yes.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> But how's
>> this for a
>> >> solution: try and find this girl and tell her
>> >> >>>>>>>>> that
>> >> >>>>>>>>> there are
>> places where
>> >> she can learn a bit of independance.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>> On May 15,
>> 2010, at
>> >> 8:33 PM, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Hello
>> Sarah and
>> >> all,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I think
>> we may
>> >> want to exercise care before judging this
>> situation
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> too
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> quickly.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Many
>> times while
>> >> traveling by air, flight attendants have asked
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> that
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> wait
>> until the
>> >> plane has emptied before leaving. Sometimes I do
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> this
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> and
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> sometimes
>> I
>> >> don't.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> If
>> Jessica were
>> >> asked to wait, then she were forgotten, then she
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> certainly
>> does
>> >> have a very legitimate complaint here.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> We also
>> need to
>> >> keep in mind that members of the blind community
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> have
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> wide
>> ranging
>> >> capabilities and other disabilities with which
>> they
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> must
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> cope.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> As
>> always, this
>> >> just comes down to the fact we all must exercise
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> our
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> due
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> diligence
>> while
>> >> performing our jobs to avoid problems of this
>> sort.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On
>> 5/15/2010 4:19
>> >> PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> I
>> think she
>> >> should have gotten off the plain by her self. How
>> hard
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> can
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> that
>> be?
>> >> just  get off and turn right and go up the ramp
>> thing
>> >> and
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> turn
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> left
>> and get
>> >> out and then wait for your escort. but here's the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> story.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> Airline
>> >> apologizes for forgetting blind teen
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> Edmonton
>> >> Journal , May 15, 2010
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> United
>> >> Airlines has apologized to a blind woman from
>> Vancouver
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> Island
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> who
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> was
>> abandoned
>> >> on an empty plane in Chicago.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> Jessica Cabot
>> >> of Courtenay, B.C., made headlines this week
>> after
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> she
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> went
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> public about
>> >> being forgotten in an empty United Airlines plane
>> on
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> an
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> April
>> 7
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> stopover in
>> >> Chicago.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> The
>> >> 18-year-old was waiting for flight attendants to
>> escort her
>> >> to
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> a
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> connecting
>> >> flight to Florida when she heard the plane door
>> seal
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> shut.
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Ten
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> minutes later
>> >> two maintenance staff happened to find her on an
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> unscheduled
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> check
>> of the
>> >> plane.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> She
>> panicked
>> >> in the plane, calling for help.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> After
>> a series
>> >> of complaints, Cabot received a $250 airline
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> voucher
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> promise of an
>> >> apology. Five weeks after her flight and a series
>> of
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> news
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> stories later,
>> >> she finally got one.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "They
>> just
>> >> called," said Cabot, on the phone from
>> Jacksonville,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> Fla.,
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> where
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> she
>> is
>> >> visiting her fiance. "I can't even count how many
>> times
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> they
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> said
>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> sorry."
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
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From: catherine.1966 at yahoo.com (Catherine Newman)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 15:16:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] {Definitely Spam?}
Message-ID: <283755.61145.qm@web46403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

http://www.gls5.seduce-your-woman.com


      


From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Jun 28 03:36:47 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 22:36:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Order your iBill Banknote Identifier for Pickup in
	Dallas
Message-ID: <auto-000158057402@mailfront2.g2host.com>


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>Subject: Order your iBill Banknote Identifier for Pickup in Dallas
>Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 22:10:13 -0400
>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Jun 28 17:26:22 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 12:26:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] {Spam?} Verbal Map of Exhibit Hall
Message-ID: <auto-000158142210@mailfront2.g2host.com>


[]

National Federation of the Blind 2010 Annual Convention





Exhibit Hall “Verbal Map”



OVERVIEW:  The Khmer Pavilion Exhibit Hall in the 
Hilton Anatole of Dallas, Texas, is a rectangle, 
which has122 six-foot tables where you will find 
demonstrations, sales, and giveaways.  Exhibitors 
include NFB divisions and affiliates, technology 
companies, federal organizations, and 
others.  This year there are tables around an 
outside ring (placing the vendors’ backs to the 
walls), and there are two large rectangles in the 
center of the room.  These are called A-Square 
and B-Square.  The squares' short ends face east 
and west; their long sides are parallel to 
Khmer’s north and south walls, and A-Square is 
nearest to the entrance.  Go through a break in 
the line of tables on the south wall to find the 
bathrooms. A door to the ladies' room opens on 
the south wall to the left of the break; the 
men's room is the first door on the left inside a 
corridor ahead of that break in the line of tables.

ENTRANCE:  The hotel entrance to the pavilion is 
on the east wall.  A water station is on your 
left just inside this door.  Turn right and walk 
this ramped hallway that parallels the outside 
hallway and is decorated with Chinese horses on 
pedestals.  You will enter the rectangular Khmer 
Pavilion at its southeast corner.  The long sides 
are on the east and west walls.  A wide aisle 
runs straight ahead of you and continues around 
the four sides of the room with one center aisle 
running east and west between the two squares 
from midway on the long east side and west side 
walls.  From this entrance, the two exhibit hall 
information tables (numbers 1 and 2) are 
immediately on your right against the east 
wall.  The tables to your left on the south wall 
show and sell the knfbReader Mobile (64-66).

EAST WALL, tables 1-20:  At the information 
table, you can pick up a floor plan (print only) 
and exhibitor list with table numbers (in Braille 
or print).  Keep the entrance behind you and the 
east wall on your right to check out east 
wall.  Next you come to our title sponsor, Deque 
Systems (tables 3 and 4), then GW Micro (5-7), 
followed by the Diebold ATM (8).  Some other 
notable vendors along the east wall are Sendero 
Group (9-10), Independence Science (11), Vanda 
Pharmaceuticals (13), and NFB-NEWSLINE® (15-16).

NORTH WALL, tables 21 to 35 (the back of the 
room): Turn the corner from the east side to 
explore the first half of the north wall, tables 
21 to 28.  The NFB Krafter’s Division is at table 
23.  At the halfway break find a water station 
against the wall.  After the break, exhibit 
tables 29 to 35 include NFB’s Diabetic Division and Optelec.

WEST WALL, tables 36 to 53: The NFB of 
Mississippi (36) starts the line and the National 
Association of Blind Merchants (NABM) ends it at 
table 53.  In-between are tables for guide dogs, 
jewelry, cars, and other interesting things.

SOUTH WALL, tables 54 to 66:  NABM continues on 
table 54, UPS has a shipping counter at 57-58, 
RFB&D is 59, Oracle is 60, En-Vision America is 
61-62, and onward to the last tables (64-66) 
holding the knfbReader Mobile back at the entrance.

A-SQUARE, tables A67 to A94: If you want the 
table numbers in order for A and B Squares, walk 
counterclockwise around them.  To begin at A67, 
head to the east wall and put your back to the 
Diebold ATM.  Cross the aisle to the east side of 
A-Square.  Say hello to HumanWare which wraps 
this whole east end at tables A67 to A70 on the 
east side, two on the north side (A71-A72), plus 
two tables on the south side (A93-A94).  The 
north side of A has tables A71 to A80, the west 
side has A81 to A84, and the south side has A85 
to A94.  You’ll find Independent Living Aids 
(A88-A89) next to Olympus America (A90), which is 
next to National Industries for the Blind (A91).

B-SQUARE, tables B95 to B122:  This rectangle of 
tables is across the center aisle from the north 
side of A-Square.  You'll find Freedom Scientific 
covers B-Square’s east end (B67-B70) plus on the 
south side, tables B120 to B122.  B-Square’s 
north side is B99 to B108, west side is B109 to 
B112, and south side is B113 to B122.  NLS is at 
B112 and the FBI is recruiting employees at B104.

Happy looking and shopping!
Lorraine Rovig


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From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Jun 28 20:44:43 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 15:44:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Sendero Maps Release
Message-ID: <auto-000158182450@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>
>Announcing the release of Sendero Maps, Accessible Talking Maps for 
>the Windows PC
>
>Atlas in the 21st century!
>
>Davis, CA, June 28, 2010
>
>Sendero Group expands the power of accessible location information 
>to the Windows PC with Sendero Maps. Sendero Maps allows the user to 
>have fun exploring his or her environment and to develop location 
>literacy in the process. Sendero Maps can be used by itself on the 
>PC or as a partner product to the five other Sendero GPS products.
>
>With an intuitive user interface and the power of the PC, accessible 
>maps are at your fingertips. Just type a destination, select a route 
>and you are on your way. Sendero Maps for the PC enables you to:
>
>    * Explore rural roads or city streets, intersection-by-intersection.
>    * Record personal Points of Interest and add rich audio content 
> like restaurant menus or museum descriptions.
>    * Hear your direction of travel. Check the odometer for distance traveled.
>    * Search a 15 million Points Of Interest database in North 
> America for everything from airports to zoos and choose one as your 
> destination.
>    * Create and follow a route to that destination.
>    * Easily save and print or emboss routes to take with you or to share.
>    * Create longer more complex routes on the PC and then transfer 
> them to your Sendero GPS 2010 product.
>
>Pricing:
>
>Sendero Maps is included at no additional charge with new Sendero 
>GPS 2010 full product purchases beginning April 1, 2010 and with 
>SenseNav 2010 when it is released.
>
>Customers who upgrade to Sendero GPS 2010 or SenseNav 2010 when it 
>is released can purchase Sendero Maps for an introductory price of 
>$78 through July 31.
>
>Mobile Geo 2.5 customers or StreetTalk VIP users can purchase 
>Sendero Maps for and introductory price of $188 through July 31.
>
>For those without any Sendero products, the stand-alone price for 
>Sendero Maps is $398.
>
>If you purchase an Apex or other BrailleNote from Sendero, Sendero 
>Maps will be included at no additional charge for a limited time.
>
>
>A 30-day trial is available for owners of a 2010 version.
>Orders must be placed directly with Sendero on-line or at 
>1-888-757-6810. Be prepared to provide your serial number and product version.
>http://senderogroup.com/products/shopmaps.htm
>
>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 29 00:41:10 2010
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 20:41:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Math Majors Anyone?
In-Reply-To: <auto-000158182450@mailfront2.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000158182450@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W15F135C7D58C0BB765DF7CBACB0@phx.gbl>


Hello List,

 

I know that national convention is shortly upon us, but I am sending out this message while I happen to be thinking about it. I met someone who will be starting college this fall while attending a college policy meeting last week. He has an interest in majoring in math or some other related field, and would like to speak with other more experienced students to serve as a mentor.

 

I know absolutely nothing about math beyond than what I absolutely need to know, so I am looking for some math minded people who would be interested in talking to him, and perhaps give him a few pointers as he begins his career as a college student. If interested, please contact me off list, or look me up at convention.

 

Thanks,

Elizabeth
 		 	   		  
_________________________________________________________________
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From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Jun 29 03:40:15 2010
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 22:40:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Math Majors Anyone?
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W15F135C7D58C0BB765DF7CBACB0@phx.gbl>
References: <auto-000158182450@mailfront2.g2host.com>
	<COL118-W15F135C7D58C0BB765DF7CBACB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <auto-000158227168@mailfront2.g2host.com>

One good source of information is the "blind math" list we host.  To 
join go to:

http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org

At 07:41 PM 6/28/2010, you wrote:

>Hello List,
>
>
>
>I know that national convention is shortly upon us, but I am sending 
>out this message while I happen to be thinking about it. I met 
>someone who will be starting college this fall while attending a 
>college policy meeting last week. He has an interest in majoring in 
>math or some other related field, and would like to speak with other 
>more experienced students to serve as a mentor.
>

                         David Andrews:  dandrews at visi.com
Follow me on Twitter:  http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920



From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 29 04:12:33 2010
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 00:12:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Math Majors Anyone?
In-Reply-To: <auto-000158227168@mailfront2.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000158182450@mailfront2.g2host.com>,
	<COL118-W15F135C7D58C0BB765DF7CBACB0@phx.gbl>,
	<auto-000158227168@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <COL118-W5679432271651C2C0D3ED9BACB0@phx.gbl>


Thanks for the idea. I did not check to see if there was a math email list, so thanks for pointing that out to me. I will be sure to pass this information on to him.

 

Elizabeth

 

 
> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 22:40:15 -0500
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> From: dandrews at visi.com
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Math Majors Anyone?
> 
> One good source of information is the "blind math" list we host. To 
> join go to:
> 
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org
> 
> At 07:41 PM 6/28/2010, you wrote:
> 
> >Hello List,
> >
> >
> >
> >I know that national convention is shortly upon us, but I am sending 
> >out this message while I happen to be thinking about it. I met 
> >someone who will be starting college this fall while attending a 
> >college policy meeting last week. He has an interest in majoring in 
> >math or some other related field, and would like to speak with other 
> >more experienced students to serve as a mentor.
> >
> 
> David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com
> Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920
> 
> 
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From tabs.students at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 14:56:27 2010
From: tabs.students at gmail.com (TABS Students)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 09:56:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Performers wanted
Message-ID: <AANLkTiml1LslfU44r5jWaYx1UCRVaePY4XhX7oyPXyIo@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys,

This is a friendly reminder that time is running out for people who want to
perform a few tunes for Southern Strums to get in touch with us. The
contact person is Juan Carlos Munoz, and he can be reached at
jcmunoz1989 at gmail.com
If you know of someone who would be interested in this opportunity,
please pass this on to them as soon as possible. Juan Carlos has all
the details, so e-mail him to find out more. An updated press release
for Strums is
coming soon.

TABS Board


From jkenn337 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 16:03:29 2010
From: jkenn337 at gmail.com (Josh)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 12:03:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] solona raive
Message-ID: <4C2A1951.1050008@gmail.com>

Hi

Did you guys know that www.solona.net has a new service out called 
raive? you upload a picture of pdf with pictures and you get an emaail 
back where human volunteers describe the image according to your question.

Your answer from the Solona Raive service is below. Text: Vinux Linux 
for the visually impaired. End of Text. There is an image of an ancient 
Egyptian \'Eye of Horus\' on the left side. That is all that is in the 
image.

-- 
Josh Kennedy jkenn337 at gmail.com

-- 
Josh Kennedy jkenn337 at gmail.com


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 19:19:55 2010
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 12:19:55 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs still needs some extra hands.
Message-ID: <AANLkTili3RlPyMOJ8mozMe4a_iSLuO4FBq0DPpeeJwfP@mail.gmail.com>

Good  Tuesday to you all,

  I first wanted to let you know  that we all on the nabs board very
much appreciate  your  willingness to  volunteer to help us out at
national convention with our monte carlo  fundraiser and tabling in
the exhibit hall.  It cannot be stated enough  what impact you all as
fellow students have in making  this division a healthy, successful
and  productive operation, because no one person, or group of people
can ever do the work that nabs needs to get done alone.
 That  said, we are still looking for  fourd card  game dealers to
round out  our amazing monte carlo mega team, so if you know how to
deal poker, holdem or blackjack, this  is the place for you!

  Monte carlo is a great time.  You get to work with   the nabs board
and fellow students, as well as get to meet fun-loving  folks who
support us all, as members of  the national association of blind
students.

 If you are interested, please  write me off-list  at
dsmithnfb at gmail.com and I’ll be glad to answer any questions you might
have.
  Thank you for your help thus far and  I'll see you in Dallas!


-- 
Darian Smith
Board member
 National Association of Blind Students.
Skype: The_Blind_Truth
Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com
Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/goldengateace


“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are
spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin


From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 19:37:03 2010
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 15:37:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Math Majors Anyone?
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W5679432271651C2C0D3ED9BACB0@phx.gbl>
References: <auto-000158182450@mailfront2.g2host.com>
	<COL118-W15F135C7D58C0BB765DF7CBACB0@phx.gbl>
	<auto-000158227168@mailfront2.g2host.com>
	<COL118-W5679432271651C2C0D3ED9BACB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilUtIQt7rFEyxb9_S4e16sG2fEhYNQM46lg_c0s@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Elizabeth,
  Yes, the math list is definitely a great resource. In addition, I
was a statistics major in undergrad and had to take quite a few
math-related courses, so I would be happy to talk to your friend if he
has any specific questions. I will not be at convention but feel free
to pass my email address along.
   Katie

On 6/29/10, Elizabeth <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the idea. I did not check to see if there was a math email list,
> so thanks for pointing that out to me. I will be sure to pass this
> information on to him.
>
>
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 22:40:15 -0500
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> From: dandrews at visi.com
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Math Majors Anyone?
>>
>> One good source of information is the "blind math" list we host. To
>> join go to:
>>
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org
>>
>> At 07:41 PM 6/28/2010, you wrote:
>>
>> >Hello List,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >I know that national convention is shortly upon us, but I am sending
>> >out this message while I happen to be thinking about it. I met
>> >someone who will be starting college this fall while attending a
>> >college policy meeting last week. He has an interest in majoring in
>> >math or some other related field, and would like to speak with other
>> >more experienced students to serve as a mentor.
>> >
>>
>> David Andrews: dandrews at visi.com
>> Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/dandrews920
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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>  		 	   		
> _________________________________________________________________
> The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with
> Hotmail.
> http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendar&ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 19:42:11 2010
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 12:42:11 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] A few reminders from the nabs board.
Message-ID: <AANLkTilkoy_ZhZJbH1KN-21eXwD873qUCsi1f2-h1LNR@mail.gmail.com>

Hello fellow students,
 We are fast approaching convention (can you believe it?)
A few announcements/reminders from the  national
Association of Blind Students:

1.      Don’t forget to register online for the  nabs meeting  that will
take place on Sunday, July 4.  Registration is at 6 p.m. and  the
meeting  begins at 7;  but if you want to be sure  to  avoid the  long
lines,  simply go to
www.nabslink.org
 and  look for the “become a
member of the national association of blind students” link on the
home page.   Once you do that,  all you will have to do is  pay your
$5 registration fee and you’ll be  good to go!
2. On Saturday evening from 8:00 to midnight, NABS will be hosting a
Student Hospitality Night in the Affiliate Action Suite, Room
2372.   Drop in for snacks, games, and the chance to meet and mingle
with other blind high school, college, graduate and nontraditional
students. Feel free to drop in and out while also enjoying salsa
dancing, karaoke, or the Rookie Roundup, a gathering for first-time
convention attendees.
 Should you have any questions about any of our nabs events, please
feel free to contact any of  the nabs  board and we would love to
answer them for you!



-- 
Darian Smith
Board member
 National Association of Blind Students
Skype: The_Blind_Truth
Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com
Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/goldengateace


“We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are
spiritual beings having a human experience.” - Teilhard de Chardin


From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 20:55:11 2010
From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:55:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] The New Radio360 Web Site Gets Launched And More On
	Tonight's Djd Invasion
Message-ID: <882A52526F0F46E292EC2282D964077A@radio360usa>

Greetings All!
As promised you this weekend, join me for an exciting evening of entertainment on Radio360 starting at 8 PM eastern as I present for you a special and exciting Djd Invasion presentation.
Tonight's show will be four hours filled to the brim with excitement as I present for you
A great mix of oldies tunes, pop, and country
Hear some songs that show case what America is all about in honor of the up coming fourth of July holiday
Celebrate as during tonight's show the new Radio360 web site is unveiled to you
Hear a Cash It or Trash it track
And so much more...
But tonight's special would not be complete without your interaction, so why not join in.

You can get involved by sending your comments/requests by email, msn or aol instant messenger to the address
live at radio360.us
Through twitter by following
djdrocks
or when the phone lines are open, give me a call through skype at the address
radio360usa
or by phone at
516-717-4425
Either way, I'm looking forward to what should be a fun-filled celebration of the new web site, our country's independence, and so much more through great music, entertainment and fun!
So to listen, save this email, and at 8 PM eastern all the way through midnight eastern, lock your computers in to
http://www.radio360.us/players/playerselection.shtml
to listen.
Hope to see you all there!
Best regards,
David, AKA Djd, host of The Djd Invasion on Radio360
http://www.radio360.us

From tamwill009 at comcast.net  Wed Jun 30 06:21:34 2010
From: tamwill009 at comcast.net (Tamika Williams)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 01:21:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] AABS fund raisers
Message-ID: <386BDEE65787435CB6FB4ED96D387300@TamikaPC>

      Hello all,

Just wanted to let everyone know that the Alabama Association of Blind Students (AABS) is holding two fund raisers this year during the national convention. The first one is Alabama right bites bags. These bags will include Lays original chips, Famous Amos chocalote chip bite sized cookies, rice krispies treats, Lance cheddar crackers, Quakers Granola Bars, combo cheddar pretzels, and a small bag of variety of candies all for $5. You will also have the choice to buy these items seperatly, but you must get them while they last there is only limited amounts of each item. If you are interested please

1. See any AABS member (Tamika Williams, Quantella Furgison, or Dezman Jackson) or any Alabama Affiliate they will be able to get in contact with us.
2. Go to the Alabama table in the exhibit hall and some bags and individual items will be there. 

The second one is the I-pod 32Gs touch raffle which will began at convention and will continue until August 30, 2010. The raffle will be held September 1, 2010 and winner will be contacted september 2, 2010 via phone and e-mail. Tickets will be $5 for 1 and $10 for 3. 

If you are interested please:

1. see any Alabama student (Tamika Williams, Quantella Furgison, or Dezman Jackson) or Alabama affiliate and they will have a way to contact any of us.
2. send all personal checks, money orders, or Cashier's checks to:

Tamika Williams, AABS President
6060 Southbend Drive North
Mobile, Alabama 36619

Please make all checks and money orders payable to Tamika Williams, AABS 
President, and include AABS iPod Fund Raiser in the memo line of all 
checks and money orders.

On a separate sheet, please include, your name, e-mail address, physical mailing address, and phone 
number in print or Braille.

If you have any questions or concerns, please contact, Brittney 
Urquhart, AABS Vice-President, at blu0001 at auburn.edu 
<mailto:blu0001 at auburn.edu>


Thank you in advance for all the help and support.
      
Sincerely,
Tamika Williams, AABS President
E-mail 1: tamwill009 at comcast.net
E-mail 2: tnw602 at jaguar1.usouthal.edu

From graduate56 at juno.com  Wed Jun 30 06:42:38 2010
From: graduate56 at juno.com (Melissa Green)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:42:38 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Colorado asociation of blind students 5050 Raffle
Message-ID: <C0D2B215694445518700F510815A01E2@melissa>

The Colorado Association of Blind Students, (CABS), is holding a fifty-fifty raffle!  The proceeds from this Raffle will be used to support OUR mentoring Program, which allows CABS members to mentor blind students in the state of Colorado, and at the state school for the blind.  We are selling 1 ticket for $2, and five tickets for $3.  The drawing will be held at the Colorado state Convention on October 30, 2010.

We offer three convenient ways to purchase tickets.

  1.. Those attending National Convention in Dallas can buy tickets at the Colorado table and from CABS members throughout the convention. 
  2.. You may purchase tickets through PayPal at the following address:
Colorado.students at gmail.com

And

You can send a check or money order to the following address:

Cabs fifty-fifty Raffle

Attn: Melissa Green

2315 9th ave., Apt. 3306

Greeley, CO  80631

Checks and money orders should be made payable to: Colorado Asociation of Blind Students.

If you purchase tickets with a check or money order, please drop me an email with your name and phone number to let me know that you have sent money to purchase tickets.  This information will only be used to notify you whin your check or money order is received.

Please send your name and phone number to:

colorado.students at gmail.com, and place the words "raffle tickets" in the subject line.

Warmly,
Melissa Green 


Cabs First vice president 

The most splendid achievement of all is the constant striving to surpass yourself and to be worthy of your own approval. 
Follow Cabs on twitter at: co blindstudents




____________________________________________________________
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From tamwill009 at comcast.net  Wed Jun 30 11:38:29 2010
From: tamwill009 at comcast.net (Tamika Williams)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 06:38:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: AABS fund raisers
Message-ID: <510C01849A974FCB95A0230E46B77F1C@TamikaPC>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Tamika Williams 
To: Blind Talk Mailing List ; 4alabama at nfbnet.org ; nfb-fundraising at nfbnet.org ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances 
Cc: tony Howard ; Brittney Urquhart ; brittney.urquhart at gmail.com ; jackson.dezman at gmail.com ; anthonycraig21 at gmail.com ; taljazz at bellsouth.net ; ajonquea at uab.edu 
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:21 AM
Subject: AABS fund raisers


      Hello all,

Just wanted to let everyone know that the Alabama Association of Blind Students (AABS) is holding two fund raisers this year during the national convention. The first one is Alabama right bites bags. These bags will include Lays original chips, Famous Amos chocalote chip bite sized cookies, rice krispies treats, Lance cheddar crackers, Quakers Granola Bars, combo cheddar pretzels, and a small bag of variety of candies all for $5. You will also have the choice to buy these items seperatly, but you must get them while they last there is only limited amounts of each item. If you are interested please

1. See any AABS member (Tamika Williams, Quantella Furgison, or Dezman Jackson) or any Alabama Affiliate they will be able to get in contact with us.
2. Go to the Alabama table in the exhibit hall and some bags and individual items will be there. 

The second one is the I-pod 32Gs touch raffle which will began at convention and will continue until August 30, 2010. The raffle will be held September 1, 2010 and winner will be contacted september 2, 2010 via phone and e-mail. Tickets will be $5 for 1 and $10 for 3. 

If you are interested please:

1. see any Alabama student (Tamika Williams, Quantella Furgison, or Dezman Jackson) or Alabama affiliate and they will have a way to contact any of us.
2. send all personal checks, money orders, or Cashier's checks to:

Tamika Williams, AABS President
6060 Southbend Drive North
Mobile, Alabama 36619

Please make all checks and money orders payable to Tamika Williams, AABS 
President, and include AABS iPod Fund Raiser in the memo line of all 
checks and money orders.

On a separate sheet, please include, your name, e-mail address, physical mailing address, and phone 
number in print or Braille.

If you have any questions or concerns, please contact, Brittney 
Urquhart, AABS Vice-President, at blu0001 at auburn.edu 
<mailto:blu0001 at auburn.edu>


Thank you in advance for all the help and support.
      
Sincerely,
Tamika Williams, AABS President
E-mail 1: tamwill009 at comcast.net
E-mail 2: tnw602 at jaguar1.usouthal.edu

From catherine.1966 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 30 20:14:09 2010
From: catherine.1966 at yahoo.com (Catherine Newman)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 13:14:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Delaware Student/ Career Fundriaser at Convention
Message-ID: <533764.45583.qm@web46404.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Delaware Student/Career Division will be selling for $10 an All Purpose First 
Aide 33 pieces. Be ready for all potential emergencies at home, in the car, 
outdoors or on the water. From cuts and stings to minor aches and pains, this 
kit prepares you for those small everyday emergencies. Fits easily into a purse, 
pocket, school bag or glove compartment. Fundraiser First aid Kit Includes:
(2) Extra-strength non-aspirin tablets
(2) Ibuprofen tablets
(1) First aid guide
(6) 3/4"x3" Curad® adhesive plastic bandages
(10) 3/8"x1-1/2" Curad® junior plastic bandages
(1) 1-1/2"x1-1/2" Curad® patch plastic bandage
(1) Large butterfly wound closure
(3) Alcohol cleansing pads
(3) Antiseptic cleansing wipes (sting free)
(1) Antibiotic ointment pack
(2) Aspirin tablets
First aid Kit Dimensions: 4-3/4"x3-3/4"x1/2" 
 
We also will have a Lions Raffle Tickets for sale. One for $2 or three for $5. 
Drawing will be held Oct. 09, 2010and you could win 1st prize a 2010 Ford Focus 
SEL Car or the money, 2nd prize $3000, 3rd prize $2000, 4th prize $1000. Come 
see us at the We Delaware affiliate table #28. Or Catherine Newman or Kat 
Bottner from the student/ career division. Thanks and see you all their!


      


From jsorozco at gmail.com  Wed Jun 30 21:47:31 2010
From: jsorozco at gmail.com (Joe Orozco)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:47:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Technology, Print and Readers
Message-ID: <D2B729844BF040EB8838EB197C26EF62@Rufus>

I thought this was an interesting article on this month's Monitor.  Any
thoughts?--Joe

***

>From the Editor's Email Basket
Technology, Access, and Personal Responsibility

by Mike Freeman, Gary Wunder, and Dan Burke

>From the Editor: Today's complex political, legal, and technological
environment often creates complicated and ambiguous issues for blind people
working
to achieve equality, security, and opportunity for themselves and others.
The NFB's philosophy of blindness is sound and pragmatic, but deciding to
adhere
to one's principles today and even determining what actions those principles
demand can be a challenge. The following email exchange took place recently
on the affiliate presidents listserv. The first message is from Mike
Freeman, president of the NFB of Washington. The second is from Gary Wunder,
president
of the NFB of Missouri. The final one is from Dan Burke, president of the
NFB of Montana. All three men are also members of the NFB board of directors
and thoughtful shapers of NFB opinion and philosophy. Their concerns and
cautions are worth serious thought. This is what they wrote: 

Fellow Affiliate Presidents:

Mike Freeman
We all know the basic tenets of NFB philosophy; we wouldn't be affiliate
presidents were this not so. In most instances guidance from NFB philosophy
is
clear and straightforward. However, the most fascinating applications of NFB
philosophy occur in situations that bring out its subtle nuances and force
us to ponder what it means in the real world.

In my opinion one of these areas of subtlety concerns our desire for
accessible documents and other materials. When should we ask for them, when
should
we demand them, and when should we take responsibility for gaining access to
them by our own efforts (including use of readers)? I am concerned that, as
it becomes easier to get accessible materials, we are losing our edge in
critical thinking and in adhering to NFB philosophy. I am becoming
increasingly
worried that more and more blind people-both NFB members and nonmembers-are
failing to distinguish between that which is desirable and that which ought
to be mandatory, between what should be ours by right and what is our own
responsibility to procure for ourselves. The Americans with Disabilities Act
and other laws have something to say about this under certain circumstances,
but there is often room for disagreement, especially in employment
situations,
where I am afraid many blind people entering the workforce are confused
about what is an employer's responsibility and what is the prospective
employee's
responsibility-where they begin and end, when failure to provide accessible
materials is discrimination, and when it is just the way the world works. I
am becoming increasingly concerned that we are not sufficiently educating
our members in the arcana of NFB philosophy-a failing that is partly ours
and
partly that of the membership, who all too often want everything in
ten-second sound bites.

This concern was crystallized for me by two incidents that I observed during
the past twenty-four hours. The first came from a question of one of our
members
(a staunch Federationist), and the second came from a post on our BlindLaw
list.

Incident one: A young lady called me up yesterday afternoon asking whether
census forms were accessible and what blind folks who lived alone did to
fill
them out. I told her that I hadn't even considered the question; that I
always just used an amanuensis and never worried about it. Apparently she
called
up the census office, and they have a form in Braille; she wondered how a
blind person would handle this. I said that I supposed the Braille form was
like
the old Talking Book Topics Braille book request lists that had print under
the Braille and one would just put a penciled line by the answer one wanted.

My point is merely that in the old days we would never have even considered
the question; we all just used an amanuensis to fill out the form, and that
was that. To what extent is it the responsibility of the Census Bureau to
provide accessible forms, and to what extent should we just accept that the
world
predominantly uses print and that, if we are to compete on terms of equality
and, perhaps more important, demand the right to compete on terms of
equality,
we should just learn to handle the print ourselves? I know what Dr. Jernigan
would say (or I think I do); in the no-longer-distributed publication "Why
the NFB?," he took one letter-writer to task for complaining that he (Dr.
Jernigan) had sent him some print correspondence.

Incident two: A legitimate and interesting discussion has arisen on the
BlindLaw mailing list concerning the rights of attorneys during the
discovery process
to receive materials in accessible form: what is the extent (if any) of
these rights, and (a) whose responsibility it is to make documents
accessible and
(b) how should one get the job done, specifically with scanned PDF
documents? The post that disturbed (nay, incensed) me was from a lawyer (I
don't know
whether or not he is in the NFB, and this is probably immaterial anyway) who
said that one of his clients had gotten an adverse court ruling because the
blind attorney hadn't been able to get a scanned PDF into a useable form in
time to prevent it.

I'm sorry, but this enrages me! Were I that attorney's client, I'd fire him
and sue the pants off him for incompetence; if the attorney wishes to be
accepted
as being able to compete on terms of equality, he should actually compete,
and in my opinion it is no one's responsibility but his to see that he has
at
hand all the material he needs to do the best job he can for his client.

It will be interesting to see how others respond though I doubt many will
put it in as stark terms as I do here. But my point is not to debate this
particular
issue: I am making like a foghorn in the night: ladies and gentlemen, we
have a job to do. We not only need back-to-basics NFB philosophy seminars at
the
national level, but we need them in spades at the state-affiliate and
local-chapter levels. The question then becomes how to get the membership to
sit
still long enough to absorb and consider the esoterica of NFB philosophy
where the rubber really meets the road and get them to increase their
critical
thinking skills in this area, for I fear me greatly that we will face this
issue more and more as the world increasingly adopts technologies and
methodologies
that involve use of sight under circumstances that heretofore they did not.

Mike Freeman

Hello Mike,

Gary Wunder
I really like your post and admire you for taking the time to put it out on
a list like this. I have to tell you that I'm amazed that many people, some
of them state presidents, don't even pay for readers on a regular basis. I
can't imagine how people pay their bills, fill out forms, and do all of the
other things that being a state president requires without setting up some
human help along the way. To me it is just a built-in cost of being blind,
one
I have taken to be a given for a long, long time now. I cannot imagine
trying to make it the responsibility of opposing counsel to provide my blind
lawyer
a document in an accessible format, and I would be mighty upset with any of
our blind lawyers who told me my case had been lost because they did not
read
the material available.

As for the census, our form was completed in less than five minutes by one
of the readers we have come to our house. Currently we have two of them. One
is a volunteer. The other uses the money she makes by working for us to buy
groceries. Both of the people who work for us get something out of it, and,
in addition to the reading we get, we get the joy that comes from the
challenge of figuring out how to make our volunteer feel as good about
knowing us
as we feel about knowing her and the satisfaction of knowing that we have
provided a job to someone who needs to eat.

I think our people are indeed in need of some good Federation philosophy
about technology and personal responsibility, but, when we hold such
seminars,
we will have to be mindful of several realities that can make determining
what responsibility rests with us and what rests with others a bit more
difficult
in the twenty-first century than it was in 1940 or 1975. If discrimination
is truly something which must be both detrimental and unreasonable, then
there
was little discrimination when sighted people would pass around plain pieces
of white paper-plain to us because we could not determine the black or the
red ink on them. I think there is no discrimination when sighted people sit
around and talk about the expression on the face of the Mona Lisa or the
genius
of the painter who put it there, or how different pictures can convey a
different message when viewed at a different angle. There is no
discrimination
if my daughter can do magic with the Paint Program provided in versions of
Microsoft Windows, and I can do nothing with the same program. I want to
drive,
but currently there is no discrimination when my daughter of sixteen can get
a license, and I cannot. At this point in our history these things are
inherently
visual.

Now take the situation in which we have a device where everything can be
recorded in a digital format, where every number and letter can be coded
into a
unique sequence that can be interpreted by a speech synthesizer, a Braille
printer, or a text magnifier, and now consider that almost anybody who
writes
any kind of document uses this device. Then, to make it more glitzy, to
allow for pictures more easily, or perhaps even to increase its security,
they
take what is inherently nonvisual and make it visual. Our own state
government now writes most of its documents in Microsoft Word and then
converts them
to PDF for distribution. Is this sound public policy when the same state
government and the federal government that provides most of the money for
rehabilitation
have entered into a contract with blind people saying, "If you will get the
training and take going to work seriously, we will help you along the way?"
Is it reasonable, when government and private industry actively support the
creation, distribution, and purchase of project management tools that use
numbers
to calculate the criticality of a project and then turn those numbers into
colors and graphs without providing a nonvisual solution so that we can get
at those very numbers?

As some of you may know, tomorrow I go to a two-day session for an
orientation with the Cerner Corporation. Their goal for me is to teach me
about their
company and to show me the tools and techniques that will immediately make
me a productive Cerner associate. I'm excited about the trip. I love
learning
about new technology and thrill at being on the cutting edge of a new
electronic medical record.

If I have any fear or reservations about that session, is it that I may not
be capable of being a computer programmer? Absolutely not! Do I fear that I
may behave in a socially inappropriate manner? No, I have no question about
that. My fear is that, when they begin to show me the simplest of
timekeeping
functions, the way they track projects, and maybe even the way they sign
into their system, we will find something in that mess that is inaccessible.
Maybe
it will be a button which was not coded as a button and therefore is not
seen by a screen reader. Maybe it will look like a combo box but be nothing
more
than a series of links that in turn cause others to be displayed silently on
the screen.

At one of my recent jobs, the way one logged a problem was not only to have
a user ID and password, but to carry around an electronic card which
actually
received a code that was changed every fifteen seconds. Only if you got
these three elements could you file a problem for the vendor to fix.

For me in this circumstance the question isn't whether I have a
responsibility to deal with the printed word on a page, but whether I have
the ability to
decode a screen which, if created with nonvisual access in mind, I would
have full access to, but, more times than not in the advanced world of
technology,
my needs as a blind person don't even place in the race to get something out
the door.

My point in writing all of this is to say that there is something of a
shared responsibility for all of this information we are forced to cope with
every
day. If I am the one most personally affected, then I believe I am the one
most personally responsible, yet, if that translates to the need to have
somebody
with me during three-fourths of my work week, I reject that as reasonable,
whether I pay for that assistance or whether somehow my employer is willing
to pay for it. It just makes no sense, especially since it is completely
avoidable.

I think all of this points to the absolute imperative that we pass H.R.
4533, the Technology Bill of Rights for the Blind Act. As I understand
current law,
there is nothing for blind people to do when their employment is threatened
by technology which will not allow for nonvisual interaction except to sue
their employer. This is not the way to show that you and they have a shared
goal. This is not how a good employer-employee relationship is built. It is
not the way you show your employer that you want to be a part of the team.
At some point we must get to the place where these important decisions are
handled
at the procurement level and where a violation of the law is not revealed
only after a blind employee finds himself at a significant disadvantage.

So I'm all for a seminar, a back-to-basics,
take-some-personal-responsibility gathering, but it will have to be one that
grapples with the technology of
today and not just a session where we say, "Well, of course you will, from
time to time, need to hire the services of a sighted person to get along in
the world, so get on with it."

Gary Wunder 

Mike, et al.:

Dan Burke
Thanks for the post. I gave it plenty of thought this afternoon while
thinning out the lilac hedge. Our previous efforts to ensure that electronic
voting
machines provided for in HAVA [Help America Vote Act] would be nonvisually
accessible are an excellent example of Gary's points, as are our current
efforts
with the Technology Bill of Rights. Technology has changed the world in many
respects because it can easily be made accessible.

Part of my duties at the University of Montana includes supervising
alternate media production, that is, primarily ensuring access to textbooks.
I am also
called on quite frequently to identify inaccessible documents. If, for
example, I receive an inaccessible PDF, I engage in a conversation with its
originators
about dissemination of or deployment of such formats and give directions to
resources for creating accessible documents. However, I don't then sit back
and wait for the accessible document to come if I must read and digest the
material in short order. I convert it or, since I have the luxury of
high-speed
scanners and student labor, have it converted.

Philosophically, this question could be boiled down to whether blind people
behave as actors or victims. I am keenly aware that, in fulfilling our ADA
Title
II obligation to provide accessible texts and documents in higher education,
we may not always be preparing students to be actors in their professional
lives. It is apparently quite possible to get all the way through law school
without knowing how to convert paper or PDFs to accessible and usable
documents.
It may be posited that the lawyer in your story was a victim, or perhaps a
less pejorative term might be recipient of accessibility. To be an actor in
this case would require a strategy, the skills and resources or tools to get
what one needed in a usable format in the most expedient manner--likely
large
amounts of material at times under severe deadlines.

One tool in any such strategy, of course, is the old-fashioned,
nontechnological use of a trained and reliable human reader. I use my
knfbReader Mobile
quite a bit now to go through personal mail, but, if I have been neglectful
in keeping up with it (or just too busy), I revert to a reader as the most
efficient way to get through a pile of mail in a hurry. The power company is
not sympathetic to claims that I am not proficient in managing my personal
business responsibilities.

It's an excellent topic for a seminar discussion.

Dan Burke

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing



From darrell.shandrow at gmail.com  Wed Jun 30 22:12:27 2010
From: darrell.shandrow at gmail.com (Darrell Shandrow)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 15:12:27 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Technology, Print and Readers
In-Reply-To: <D2B729844BF040EB8838EB197C26EF62@Rufus>
References: <D2B729844BF040EB8838EB197C26EF62@Rufus>
Message-ID: <4C2BC14B.8000400@gmail.com>

  Hello Everyone,

This is an excellent topic! :-)

Here in the 21st century, I expect virtually all computer-generated 
documents and forms to be made accessible to me as a blind person. The 
only exception might be documents that have been hand written, which 
almost never happens these days.

In my way of thinking, if some information is accessible to a sighted 
person, it ought also be made accessible to a blind person. That's equality.

I do agree that, when no equal access is provided, a blind person must 
work with a sighted reader in order to get business done.

In the case of incident 1 with the U.S. Census, the federal agency needs 
to go all the way with respect to making sure the entire census process 
is fully accessible to blind citizens without need of sighted help. It's 
simply our right as American tax paying citizens and probably required 
by at least Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act.

In the case of incident 2, shame on the blind lawyer! He shouldn't have 
allowed his thoughtlessness or unwillingness to get sighted help to 
adversely affect his case and cause harm to his client!

If I were the blind lawyer, I would absolutely acquire the printed 
documents as a normal part of the discovery process, and I would 
certainly at least ask for the same materials in electronic format. I 
would ask, but I would not just wait for the accessible copies in order 
to move forward on my job.

I appreciate Gary's perspective on these issues, but feel Mike Freeman 
is sometimes a bit too radical on the "use a reader" side of the scale. :(

Even in our personal business nowadays, Karen and I use the phone, 
online banking and other websites to deal with our financial and 
household needs. Even in the case of dealing with non-regulated 
businesses, if they want us to do something, I now insist they work with 
us in an accessible format. It has been my experience that, if I tell 
the person I am blind and I need things done in a certain way in order 
to meet their requirements, they actually will find a way to make the 
information accessible! When worse comes to worse, I ask for managers 
and let them know that, just like they have their company policies, I 
have my own corporate policy that anyone I'm dealing with needs to 
reasonably accommodate me. Believe it or not, this approach works, always!

So, my conclusion is that we shouldn't be afraid to ask for and demand 
equal access to information and technology, but we need to be prepared 
to do what needs to be done when that accessibility is not forthcoming 
in a timely manner.

Blind people who demand equal access are actors, not victims.

Regards,

Darrell



On 6/30/2010 2:47 PM, Joe Orozco wrote:
> I thought this was an interesting article on this month's Monitor.  Any
> thoughts?--Joe
>
> ***
>
> > From the Editor's Email Basket
> Technology, Access, and Personal Responsibility
>
> by Mike Freeman, Gary Wunder, and Dan Burke
>
> > From the Editor: Today's complex political, legal, and technological
> environment often creates complicated and ambiguous issues for blind people
> working
> to achieve equality, security, and opportunity for themselves and others.
> The NFB's philosophy of blindness is sound and pragmatic, but deciding to
> adhere
> to one's principles today and even determining what actions those principles
> demand can be a challenge. The following email exchange took place recently
> on the affiliate presidents listserv. The first message is from Mike
> Freeman, president of the NFB of Washington. The second is from Gary Wunder,
> president
> of the NFB of Missouri. The final one is from Dan Burke, president of the
> NFB of Montana. All three men are also members of the NFB board of directors
> and thoughtful shapers of NFB opinion and philosophy. Their concerns and
> cautions are worth serious thought. This is what they wrote:
>
> Fellow Affiliate Presidents:
>
> Mike Freeman
> We all know the basic tenets of NFB philosophy; we wouldn't be affiliate
> presidents were this not so. In most instances guidance from NFB philosophy
> is
> clear and straightforward. However, the most fascinating applications of NFB
> philosophy occur in situations that bring out its subtle nuances and force
> us to ponder what it means in the real world.
>
> In my opinion one of these areas of subtlety concerns our desire for
> accessible documents and other materials. When should we ask for them, when
> should
> we demand them, and when should we take responsibility for gaining access to
> them by our own efforts (including use of readers)? I am concerned that, as
> it becomes easier to get accessible materials, we are losing our edge in
> critical thinking and in adhering to NFB philosophy. I am becoming
> increasingly
> worried that more and more blind people-both NFB members and nonmembers-are
> failing to distinguish between that which is desirable and that which ought
> to be mandatory, between what should be ours by right and what is our own
> responsibility to procure for ourselves. The Americans with Disabilities Act
> and other laws have something to say about this under certain circumstances,
> but there is often room for disagreement, especially in employment
> situations,
> where I am afraid many blind people entering the workforce are confused
> about what is an employer's responsibility and what is the prospective
> employee's
> responsibility-where they begin and end, when failure to provide accessible
> materials is discrimination, and when it is just the way the world works. I
> am becoming increasingly concerned that we are not sufficiently educating
> our members in the arcana of NFB philosophy-a failing that is partly ours
> and
> partly that of the membership, who all too often want everything in
> ten-second sound bites.
>
> This concern was crystallized for me by two incidents that I observed during
> the past twenty-four hours. The first came from a question of one of our
> members
> (a staunch Federationist), and the second came from a post on our BlindLaw
> list.
>
> Incident one: A young lady called me up yesterday afternoon asking whether
> census forms were accessible and what blind folks who lived alone did to
> fill
> them out. I told her that I hadn't even considered the question; that I
> always just used an amanuensis and never worried about it. Apparently she
> called
> up the census office, and they have a form in Braille; she wondered how a
> blind person would handle this. I said that I supposed the Braille form was
> like
> the old Talking Book Topics Braille book request lists that had print under
> the Braille and one would just put a penciled line by the answer one wanted.
>
> My point is merely that in the old days we would never have even considered
> the question; we all just used an amanuensis to fill out the form, and that
> was that. To what extent is it the responsibility of the Census Bureau to
> provide accessible forms, and to what extent should we just accept that the
> world
> predominantly uses print and that, if we are to compete on terms of equality
> and, perhaps more important, demand the right to compete on terms of
> equality,
> we should just learn to handle the print ourselves? I know what Dr. Jernigan
> would say (or I think I do); in the no-longer-distributed publication "Why
> the NFB?," he took one letter-writer to task for complaining that he (Dr.
> Jernigan) had sent him some print correspondence.
>
> Incident two: A legitimate and interesting discussion has arisen on the
> BlindLaw mailing list concerning the rights of attorneys during the
> discovery process
> to receive materials in accessible form: what is the extent (if any) of
> these rights, and (a) whose responsibility it is to make documents
> accessible and
> (b) how should one get the job done, specifically with scanned PDF
> documents? The post that disturbed (nay, incensed) me was from a lawyer (I
> don't know
> whether or not he is in the NFB, and this is probably immaterial anyway) who
> said that one of his clients had gotten an adverse court ruling because the
> blind attorney hadn't been able to get a scanned PDF into a useable form in
> time to prevent it.
>
> I'm sorry, but this enrages me! Were I that attorney's client, I'd fire him
> and sue the pants off him for incompetence; if the attorney wishes to be
> accepted
> as being able to compete on terms of equality, he should actually compete,
> and in my opinion it is no one's responsibility but his to see that he has
> at
> hand all the material he needs to do the best job he can for his client.
>
> It will be interesting to see how others respond though I doubt many will
> put it in as stark terms as I do here. But my point is not to debate this
> particular
> issue: I am making like a foghorn in the night: ladies and gentlemen, we
> have a job to do. We not only need back-to-basics NFB philosophy seminars at
> the
> national level, but we need them in spades at the state-affiliate and
> local-chapter levels. The question then becomes how to get the membership to
> sit
> still long enough to absorb and consider the esoterica of NFB philosophy
> where the rubber really meets the road and get them to increase their
> critical
> thinking skills in this area, for I fear me greatly that we will face this
> issue more and more as the world increasingly adopts technologies and
> methodologies
> that involve use of sight under circumstances that heretofore they did not.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
> Hello Mike,
>
> Gary Wunder
> I really like your post and admire you for taking the time to put it out on
> a list like this. I have to tell you that I'm amazed that many people, some
> of them state presidents, don't even pay for readers on a regular basis. I
> can't imagine how people pay their bills, fill out forms, and do all of the
> other things that being a state president requires without setting up some
> human help along the way. To me it is just a built-in cost of being blind,
> one
> I have taken to be a given for a long, long time now. I cannot imagine
> trying to make it the responsibility of opposing counsel to provide my blind
> lawyer
> a document in an accessible format, and I would be mighty upset with any of
> our blind lawyers who told me my case had been lost because they did not
> read
> the material available.
>
> As for the census, our form was completed in less than five minutes by one
> of the readers we have come to our house. Currently we have two of them. One
> is a volunteer. The other uses the money she makes by working for us to buy
> groceries. Both of the people who work for us get something out of it, and,
> in addition to the reading we get, we get the joy that comes from the
> challenge of figuring out how to make our volunteer feel as good about
> knowing us
> as we feel about knowing her and the satisfaction of knowing that we have
> provided a job to someone who needs to eat.
>
> I think our people are indeed in need of some good Federation philosophy
> about technology and personal responsibility, but, when we hold such
> seminars,
> we will have to be mindful of several realities that can make determining
> what responsibility rests with us and what rests with others a bit more
> difficult
> in the twenty-first century than it was in 1940 or 1975. If discrimination
> is truly something which must be both detrimental and unreasonable, then
> there
> was little discrimination when sighted people would pass around plain pieces
> of white paper-plain to us because we could not determine the black or the
> red ink on them. I think there is no discrimination when sighted people sit
> around and talk about the expression on the face of the Mona Lisa or the
> genius
> of the painter who put it there, or how different pictures can convey a
> different message when viewed at a different angle. There is no
> discrimination
> if my daughter can do magic with the Paint Program provided in versions of
> Microsoft Windows, and I can do nothing with the same program. I want to
> drive,
> but currently there is no discrimination when my daughter of sixteen can get
> a license, and I cannot. At this point in our history these things are
> inherently
> visual.
>
> Now take the situation in which we have a device where everything can be
> recorded in a digital format, where every number and letter can be coded
> into a
> unique sequence that can be interpreted by a speech synthesizer, a Braille
> printer, or a text magnifier, and now consider that almost anybody who
> writes
> any kind of document uses this device. Then, to make it more glitzy, to
> allow for pictures more easily, or perhaps even to increase its security,
> they
> take what is inherently nonvisual and make it visual. Our own state
> government now writes most of its documents in Microsoft Word and then
> converts them
> to PDF for distribution. Is this sound public policy when the same state
> government and the federal government that provides most of the money for
> rehabilitation
> have entered into a contract with blind people saying, "If you will get the
> training and take going to work seriously, we will help you along the way?"
> Is it reasonable, when government and private industry actively support the
> creation, distribution, and purchase of project management tools that use
> numbers
> to calculate the criticality of a project and then turn those numbers into
> colors and graphs without providing a nonvisual solution so that we can get
> at those very numbers?
>
> As some of you may know, tomorrow I go to a two-day session for an
> orientation with the Cerner Corporation. Their goal for me is to teach me
> about their
> company and to show me the tools and techniques that will immediately make
> me a productive Cerner associate. I'm excited about the trip. I love
> learning
> about new technology and thrill at being on the cutting edge of a new
> electronic medical record.
>
> If I have any fear or reservations about that session, is it that I may not
> be capable of being a computer programmer? Absolutely not! Do I fear that I
> may behave in a socially inappropriate manner? No, I have no question about
> that. My fear is that, when they begin to show me the simplest of
> timekeeping
> functions, the way they track projects, and maybe even the way they sign
> into their system, we will find something in that mess that is inaccessible.
> Maybe
> it will be a button which was not coded as a button and therefore is not
> seen by a screen reader. Maybe it will look like a combo box but be nothing
> more
> than a series of links that in turn cause others to be displayed silently on
> the screen.
>
> At one of my recent jobs, the way one logged a problem was not only to have
> a user ID and password, but to carry around an electronic card which
> actually
> received a code that was changed every fifteen seconds. Only if you got
> these three elements could you file a problem for the vendor to fix.
>
> For me in this circumstance the question isn't whether I have a
> responsibility to deal with the printed word on a page, but whether I have
> the ability to
> decode a screen which, if created with nonvisual access in mind, I would
> have full access to, but, more times than not in the advanced world of
> technology,
> my needs as a blind person don't even place in the race to get something out
> the door.
>
> My point in writing all of this is to say that there is something of a
> shared responsibility for all of this information we are forced to cope with
> every
> day. If I am the one most personally affected, then I believe I am the one
> most personally responsible, yet, if that translates to the need to have
> somebody
> with me during three-fourths of my work week, I reject that as reasonable,
> whether I pay for that assistance or whether somehow my employer is willing
> to pay for it. It just makes no sense, especially since it is completely
> avoidable.
>
> I think all of this points to the absolute imperative that we pass H.R.
> 4533, the Technology Bill of Rights for the Blind Act. As I understand
> current law,
> there is nothing for blind people to do when their employment is threatened
> by technology which will not allow for nonvisual interaction except to sue
> their employer. This is not the way to show that you and they have a shared
> goal. This is not how a good employer-employee relationship is built. It is
> not the way you show your employer that you want to be a part of the team.
> At some point we must get to the place where these important decisions are
> handled
> at the procurement level and where a violation of the law is not revealed
> only after a blind employee finds himself at a significant disadvantage.
>
> So I'm all for a seminar, a back-to-basics,
> take-some-personal-responsibility gathering, but it will have to be one that
> grapples with the technology of
> today and not just a session where we say, "Well, of course you will, from
> time to time, need to hire the services of a sighted person to get along in
> the world, so get on with it."
>
> Gary Wunder
>
> Mike, et al.:
>
> Dan Burke
> Thanks for the post. I gave it plenty of thought this afternoon while
> thinning out the lilac hedge. Our previous efforts to ensure that electronic
> voting
> machines provided for in HAVA [Help America Vote Act] would be nonvisually
> accessible are an excellent example of Gary's points, as are our current
> efforts
> with the Technology Bill of Rights. Technology has changed the world in many
> respects because it can easily be made accessible.
>
> Part of my duties at the University of Montana includes supervising
> alternate media production, that is, primarily ensuring access to textbooks.
> I am also
> called on quite frequently to identify inaccessible documents. If, for
> example, I receive an inaccessible PDF, I engage in a conversation with its
> originators
> about dissemination of or deployment of such formats and give directions to
> resources for creating accessible documents. However, I don't then sit back
> and wait for the accessible document to come if I must read and digest the
> material in short order. I convert it or, since I have the luxury of
> high-speed
> scanners and student labor, have it converted.
>
> Philosophically, this question could be boiled down to whether blind people
> behave as actors or victims. I am keenly aware that, in fulfilling our ADA
> Title
> II obligation to provide accessible texts and documents in higher education,
> we may not always be preparing students to be actors in their professional
> lives. It is apparently quite possible to get all the way through law school
> without knowing how to convert paper or PDFs to accessible and usable
> documents.
> It may be posited that the lawyer in your story was a victim, or perhaps a
> less pejorative term might be recipient of accessibility. To be an actor in
> this case would require a strategy, the skills and resources or tools to get
> what one needed in a usable format in the most expedient manner--likely
> large
> amounts of material at times under severe deadlines.
>
> One tool in any such strategy, of course, is the old-fashioned,
> nontechnological use of a trained and reliable human reader. I use my
> knfbReader Mobile
> quite a bit now to go through personal mail, but, if I have been neglectful
> in keeping up with it (or just too busy), I revert to a reader as the most
> efficient way to get through a pile of mail in a hurry. The power company is
> not sympathetic to claims that I am not proficient in managing my personal
> business responsibilities.
>
> It's an excellent topic for a seminar discussion.
>
> Dan Burke
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
>
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From aadkins7 at verizon.net  Wed Jun 30 22:15:38 2010
From: aadkins7 at verizon.net (Anita Adkins)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 18:15:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Technology, Print and Readers
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Hello,

To me, it seems that my responsibility as far as getting printed 
inaccessible electronic information into a format that is accessible to me 
is both my own responsibility and that of the producer of the visual 
information.  For example, I hire my own reader to translate my textbooks. 
At the same time, I take advantage of textbooks that are available through 
RFB&D.  I believe that the publisher of a textbook should make it available 
in an accessible electronic format.  I do not believe that waiting for them 
to do this on my part is acceptable, however.  I must strive for 
accessibility of textbooks and I must strive to have the ones that are not 
currently accessible translated.  If not, I would be far behind my peers in 
school.  If I can do so, I would rather provide any necessary adaptations, 
such as providing my own braille display or screenreader, when applying for 
and performing a job.  An employer will be more likely to hire someone who 
is capable and able to solve challenges.  Again, this does not mean that I 
think it is acceptable for employers to be negligent in making material 
accessible.  Once I have obtained the position, I can use my own tools.  If 
necessary, I can ask for any that I may need to be provided by the employer 
or discover an alternative way to obtain the equipment.  I think that 
accessibility should be a strong goal for the society to work toward and 
that information should be available in an accessible and usable format. 
Part of being equal is being equal.  This means that I can have access to 
information in my preferred format just as a sighted person can have access 
in his preferred format.  It means that if a sighted person is expected to 
fill out ten reports that I should be expected to fill out ten reports.  A 
question for thought might be: Is being equal equivalent to adapting to and 
complying with the majority; or, is being equal treating everyone the same 
by providing technology, resources, etc. in a format that they can access, 
use, and/or prefer?  I am now finished rambling on this matter.  Anita
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 5:47 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Technology, Print and Readers


>I thought this was an interesting article on this month's Monitor.  Any
> thoughts?--Joe
>
> ***
>
>>From the Editor's Email Basket
> Technology, Access, and Personal Responsibility
>
> by Mike Freeman, Gary Wunder, and Dan Burke
>
>>From the Editor: Today's complex political, legal, and technological
> environment often creates complicated and ambiguous issues for blind 
> people
> working
> to achieve equality, security, and opportunity for themselves and others.
> The NFB's philosophy of blindness is sound and pragmatic, but deciding to
> adhere
> to one's principles today and even determining what actions those 
> principles
> demand can be a challenge. The following email exchange took place 
> recently
> on the affiliate presidents listserv. The first message is from Mike
> Freeman, president of the NFB of Washington. The second is from Gary 
> Wunder,
> president
> of the NFB of Missouri. The final one is from Dan Burke, president of the
> NFB of Montana. All three men are also members of the NFB board of 
> directors
> and thoughtful shapers of NFB opinion and philosophy. Their concerns and
> cautions are worth serious thought. This is what they wrote:
>
> Fellow Affiliate Presidents:
>
> Mike Freeman
> We all know the basic tenets of NFB philosophy; we wouldn't be affiliate
> presidents were this not so. In most instances guidance from NFB 
> philosophy
> is
> clear and straightforward. However, the most fascinating applications of 
> NFB
> philosophy occur in situations that bring out its subtle nuances and force
> us to ponder what it means in the real world.
>
> In my opinion one of these areas of subtlety concerns our desire for
> accessible documents and other materials. When should we ask for them, 
> when
> should
> we demand them, and when should we take responsibility for gaining access 
> to
> them by our own efforts (including use of readers)? I am concerned that, 
> as
> it becomes easier to get accessible materials, we are losing our edge in
> critical thinking and in adhering to NFB philosophy. I am becoming
> increasingly
> worried that more and more blind people-both NFB members and 
> nonmembers-are
> failing to distinguish between that which is desirable and that which 
> ought
> to be mandatory, between what should be ours by right and what is our own
> responsibility to procure for ourselves. The Americans with Disabilities 
> Act
> and other laws have something to say about this under certain 
> circumstances,
> but there is often room for disagreement, especially in employment
> situations,
> where I am afraid many blind people entering the workforce are confused
> about what is an employer's responsibility and what is the prospective
> employee's
> responsibility-where they begin and end, when failure to provide 
> accessible
> materials is discrimination, and when it is just the way the world works. 
> I
> am becoming increasingly concerned that we are not sufficiently educating
> our members in the arcana of NFB philosophy-a failing that is partly ours
> and
> partly that of the membership, who all too often want everything in
> ten-second sound bites.
>
> This concern was crystallized for me by two incidents that I observed 
> during
> the past twenty-four hours. The first came from a question of one of our
> members
> (a staunch Federationist), and the second came from a post on our BlindLaw
> list.
>
> Incident one: A young lady called me up yesterday afternoon asking whether
> census forms were accessible and what blind folks who lived alone did to
> fill
> them out. I told her that I hadn't even considered the question; that I
> always just used an amanuensis and never worried about it. Apparently she
> called
> up the census office, and they have a form in Braille; she wondered how a
> blind person would handle this. I said that I supposed the Braille form 
> was
> like
> the old Talking Book Topics Braille book request lists that had print 
> under
> the Braille and one would just put a penciled line by the answer one 
> wanted.
>
> My point is merely that in the old days we would never have even 
> considered
> the question; we all just used an amanuensis to fill out the form, and 
> that
> was that. To what extent is it the responsibility of the Census Bureau to
> provide accessible forms, and to what extent should we just accept that 
> the
> world
> predominantly uses print and that, if we are to compete on terms of 
> equality
> and, perhaps more important, demand the right to compete on terms of
> equality,
> we should just learn to handle the print ourselves? I know what Dr. 
> Jernigan
> would say (or I think I do); in the no-longer-distributed publication "Why
> the NFB?," he took one letter-writer to task for complaining that he (Dr.
> Jernigan) had sent him some print correspondence.
>
> Incident two: A legitimate and interesting discussion has arisen on the
> BlindLaw mailing list concerning the rights of attorneys during the
> discovery process
> to receive materials in accessible form: what is the extent (if any) of
> these rights, and (a) whose responsibility it is to make documents
> accessible and
> (b) how should one get the job done, specifically with scanned PDF
> documents? The post that disturbed (nay, incensed) me was from a lawyer (I
> don't know
> whether or not he is in the NFB, and this is probably immaterial anyway) 
> who
> said that one of his clients had gotten an adverse court ruling because 
> the
> blind attorney hadn't been able to get a scanned PDF into a useable form 
> in
> time to prevent it.
>
> I'm sorry, but this enrages me! Were I that attorney's client, I'd fire 
> him
> and sue the pants off him for incompetence; if the attorney wishes to be
> accepted
> as being able to compete on terms of equality, he should actually compete,
> and in my opinion it is no one's responsibility but his to see that he has
> at
> hand all the material he needs to do the best job he can for his client.
>
> It will be interesting to see how others respond though I doubt many will
> put it in as stark terms as I do here. But my point is not to debate this
> particular
> issue: I am making like a foghorn in the night: ladies and gentlemen, we
> have a job to do. We not only need back-to-basics NFB philosophy seminars 
> at
> the
> national level, but we need them in spades at the state-affiliate and
> local-chapter levels. The question then becomes how to get the membership 
> to
> sit
> still long enough to absorb and consider the esoterica of NFB philosophy
> where the rubber really meets the road and get them to increase their
> critical
> thinking skills in this area, for I fear me greatly that we will face this
> issue more and more as the world increasingly adopts technologies and
> methodologies
> that involve use of sight under circumstances that heretofore they did 
> not.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
> Hello Mike,
>
> Gary Wunder
> I really like your post and admire you for taking the time to put it out 
> on
> a list like this. I have to tell you that I'm amazed that many people, 
> some
> of them state presidents, don't even pay for readers on a regular basis. I
> can't imagine how people pay their bills, fill out forms, and do all of 
> the
> other things that being a state president requires without setting up some
> human help along the way. To me it is just a built-in cost of being blind,
> one
> I have taken to be a given for a long, long time now. I cannot imagine
> trying to make it the responsibility of opposing counsel to provide my 
> blind
> lawyer
> a document in an accessible format, and I would be mighty upset with any 
> of
> our blind lawyers who told me my case had been lost because they did not
> read
> the material available.
>
> As for the census, our form was completed in less than five minutes by one
> of the readers we have come to our house. Currently we have two of them. 
> One
> is a volunteer. The other uses the money she makes by working for us to 
> buy
> groceries. Both of the people who work for us get something out of it, 
> and,
> in addition to the reading we get, we get the joy that comes from the
> challenge of figuring out how to make our volunteer feel as good about
> knowing us
> as we feel about knowing her and the satisfaction of knowing that we have
> provided a job to someone who needs to eat.
>
> I think our people are indeed in need of some good Federation philosophy
> about technology and personal responsibility, but, when we hold such
> seminars,
> we will have to be mindful of several realities that can make determining
> what responsibility rests with us and what rests with others a bit more
> difficult
> in the twenty-first century than it was in 1940 or 1975. If discrimination
> is truly something which must be both detrimental and unreasonable, then
> there
> was little discrimination when sighted people would pass around plain 
> pieces
> of white paper-plain to us because we could not determine the black or the
> red ink on them. I think there is no discrimination when sighted people 
> sit
> around and talk about the expression on the face of the Mona Lisa or the
> genius
> of the painter who put it there, or how different pictures can convey a
> different message when viewed at a different angle. There is no
> discrimination
> if my daughter can do magic with the Paint Program provided in versions of
> Microsoft Windows, and I can do nothing with the same program. I want to
> drive,
> but currently there is no discrimination when my daughter of sixteen can 
> get
> a license, and I cannot. At this point in our history these things are
> inherently
> visual.
>
> Now take the situation in which we have a device where everything can be
> recorded in a digital format, where every number and letter can be coded
> into a
> unique sequence that can be interpreted by a speech synthesizer, a Braille
> printer, or a text magnifier, and now consider that almost anybody who
> writes
> any kind of document uses this device. Then, to make it more glitzy, to
> allow for pictures more easily, or perhaps even to increase its security,
> they
> take what is inherently nonvisual and make it visual. Our own state
> government now writes most of its documents in Microsoft Word and then
> converts them
> to PDF for distribution. Is this sound public policy when the same state
> government and the federal government that provides most of the money for
> rehabilitation
> have entered into a contract with blind people saying, "If you will get 
> the
> training and take going to work seriously, we will help you along the 
> way?"
> Is it reasonable, when government and private industry actively support 
> the
> creation, distribution, and purchase of project management tools that use
> numbers
> to calculate the criticality of a project and then turn those numbers into
> colors and graphs without providing a nonvisual solution so that we can 
> get
> at those very numbers?
>
> As some of you may know, tomorrow I go to a two-day session for an
> orientation with the Cerner Corporation. Their goal for me is to teach me
> about their
> company and to show me the tools and techniques that will immediately make
> me a productive Cerner associate. I'm excited about the trip. I love
> learning
> about new technology and thrill at being on the cutting edge of a new
> electronic medical record.
>
> If I have any fear or reservations about that session, is it that I may 
> not
> be capable of being a computer programmer? Absolutely not! Do I fear that 
> I
> may behave in a socially inappropriate manner? No, I have no question 
> about
> that. My fear is that, when they begin to show me the simplest of
> timekeeping
> functions, the way they track projects, and maybe even the way they sign
> into their system, we will find something in that mess that is 
> inaccessible.
> Maybe
> it will be a button which was not coded as a button and therefore is not
> seen by a screen reader. Maybe it will look like a combo box but be 
> nothing
> more
> than a series of links that in turn cause others to be displayed silently 
> on
> the screen.
>
> At one of my recent jobs, the way one logged a problem was not only to 
> have
> a user ID and password, but to carry around an electronic card which
> actually
> received a code that was changed every fifteen seconds. Only if you got
> these three elements could you file a problem for the vendor to fix.
>
> For me in this circumstance the question isn't whether I have a
> responsibility to deal with the printed word on a page, but whether I have
> the ability to
> decode a screen which, if created with nonvisual access in mind, I would
> have full access to, but, more times than not in the advanced world of
> technology,
> my needs as a blind person don't even place in the race to get something 
> out
> the door.
>
> My point in writing all of this is to say that there is something of a
> shared responsibility for all of this information we are forced to cope 
> with
> every
> day. If I am the one most personally affected, then I believe I am the one
> most personally responsible, yet, if that translates to the need to have
> somebody
> with me during three-fourths of my work week, I reject that as reasonable,
> whether I pay for that assistance or whether somehow my employer is 
> willing
> to pay for it. It just makes no sense, especially since it is completely
> avoidable.
>
> I think all of this points to the absolute imperative that we pass H.R.
> 4533, the Technology Bill of Rights for the Blind Act. As I understand
> current law,
> there is nothing for blind people to do when their employment is 
> threatened
> by technology which will not allow for nonvisual interaction except to sue
> their employer. This is not the way to show that you and they have a 
> shared
> goal. This is not how a good employer-employee relationship is built. It 
> is
> not the way you show your employer that you want to be a part of the team.
> At some point we must get to the place where these important decisions are
> handled
> at the procurement level and where a violation of the law is not revealed
> only after a blind employee finds himself at a significant disadvantage.
>
> So I'm all for a seminar, a back-to-basics,
> take-some-personal-responsibility gathering, but it will have to be one 
> that
> grapples with the technology of
> today and not just a session where we say, "Well, of course you will, from
> time to time, need to hire the services of a sighted person to get along 
> in
> the world, so get on with it."
>
> Gary Wunder
>
> Mike, et al.:
>
> Dan Burke
> Thanks for the post. I gave it plenty of thought this afternoon while
> thinning out the lilac hedge. Our previous efforts to ensure that 
> electronic
> voting
> machines provided for in HAVA [Help America Vote Act] would be nonvisually
> accessible are an excellent example of Gary's points, as are our current
> efforts
> with the Technology Bill of Rights. Technology has changed the world in 
> many
> respects because it can easily be made accessible.
>
> Part of my duties at the University of Montana includes supervising
> alternate media production, that is, primarily ensuring access to 
> textbooks.
> I am also
> called on quite frequently to identify inaccessible documents. If, for
> example, I receive an inaccessible PDF, I engage in a conversation with 
> its
> originators
> about dissemination of or deployment of such formats and give directions 
> to
> resources for creating accessible documents. However, I don't then sit 
> back
> and wait for the accessible document to come if I must read and digest the
> material in short order. I convert it or, since I have the luxury of
> high-speed
> scanners and student labor, have it converted.
>
> Philosophically, this question could be boiled down to whether blind 
> people
> behave as actors or victims. I am keenly aware that, in fulfilling our ADA
> Title
> II obligation to provide accessible texts and documents in higher 
> education,
> we may not always be preparing students to be actors in their professional
> lives. It is apparently quite possible to get all the way through law 
> school
> without knowing how to convert paper or PDFs to accessible and usable
> documents.
> It may be posited that the lawyer in your story was a victim, or perhaps a
> less pejorative term might be recipient of accessibility. To be an actor 
> in
> this case would require a strategy, the skills and resources or tools to 
> get
> what one needed in a usable format in the most expedient manner--likely
> large
> amounts of material at times under severe deadlines.
>
> One tool in any such strategy, of course, is the old-fashioned,
> nontechnological use of a trained and reliable human reader. I use my
> knfbReader Mobile
> quite a bit now to go through personal mail, but, if I have been 
> neglectful
> in keeping up with it (or just too busy), I revert to a reader as the most
> efficient way to get through a pile of mail in a hurry. The power company 
> is
> not sympathetic to claims that I am not proficient in managing my personal
> business responsibilities.
>
> It's an excellent topic for a seminar discussion.
>
> Dan Burke
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
>
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Wed Jun 30 22:32:01 2010
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:32:01 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fighting Discrimination in Missouri
Message-ID: <AANLkTikAkMGQOE1EGPfH6ZcaAcd7VElgBXqiwk14Qkgy@mail.gmail.com>

Dear students,

On the eve of our 70th anniversary as an organization, I am deeply
saddened to distribute the below message, about a blind couple in
Missouri whose newborn daughter was taken away from them by CPS,
merely because they are blind. This situation affects all of us,
especially since many of us are current or future blind parents, and
it's a shocking reminder of how much work remains ahead of us as an
organization. I urge you to read the below and to consider donating to
this cause, either directly or by helping to babysit at convention to
raise money for this family.
>From the NFB of Missouri:
Erica and Blake, a young couple were awaiting the birth of their first
child with joy and happiness. Baby Mikaela was born at 12:45pm, May 21. Not
 unlike many new mothers, Erica experienced some difficulty in her
first breast feeding
of Mikaela; she called the nurse for some advice. By 6:00pm child
 protective services arrived at the hospital to say the parents could not
 take Mikaela home, unless they had a sighted person to live with them.
In all the investigations, blindness is the only reason sited for the
 parents not being allowed to leave with their new baby girl.
 The Missouri affiliate has hired an attorney at $250 per hour, and
 her assistant at $85 per hour to bring Mikaela home where she belongs!
 Please help with any donations possible to unite this family. You may
 stop by the Missouri table, B 114 in the exhibit hall, or come by our
 delegation.
 We, the National Federation of the Blind can bring Mikaela home to
 her parents where she belongs! Thank you for any help you can give.
And a more recent update:
    I just spoke with NFB of Missouri President Gary Wunder. Here is the latest:

    The parents initially thought that if they played by the rules,
surely the judge would give them back their daughter at the first
hearing. However, this did not happen, so a second hearing was
scheduled for June 16. At this point, the parents realized that they
needed an advocate and contacted the NFB of Missouri. After visiting
with the couple in their home and determining that there were no
extenuating circumstances and that blindness was the only concern CPS
had about these parents, the NFB hired an attorney to assist them. The
cost of this attorney is $250 an hour, and $85 for the services of the
attorney's assistant.

    About two weeks ago, on June 16, the parents had their second
hearing. The judge seemed outraged that the hospital had taken the
child from this couple with so little cause and was further astounded
that the hospital had never dealt with blind parents before.
Unfortunately, this was not an evidentiary hearing, so no decisions
were made and it was announced that there would need to be a third
hearing. The problem is that this judge is going on vacation, so the
earliest they could get a hearing with her was on July 20. The parents
could have chosen to get an earlier hearing date with a different
judge, but their attorney advised them to wait for this judge to
return from vacation, because she had seemed so sympathetic and on
their side at the second hearing.

    So, the situation as it now stands is that the parents are
awaiting their third hearing on July 20, with this hopefully
sympathetic judge. Meanwhile, the NFB of Missouri is paying for the
parents to receive voc rehab training, to get letters from the state
VR agency saying that these parents can indeed perform the tasks that
were of concern to CPS. The NFB realizes that we shouldn't have to get
a permission slip from the state VR agency to have kids, but their
main focus at this time is to address the ridiculous "But, how does a
blind person do that?" concerns of the hospital and CPS and get baby
Micaela back with her parents where she belongs. So, the NFB of
Missouri is incurring additional costs, as they are paying out of
pocket for these voc rehab services for the couple.

    Gary asked me to pass along that the NFB of Missouri welcomes
donations to help defray the sky-rocketing legal expenses and the cost
of getting letters from VR professionals asserting that these parents
have received training in the skills of parenting and can perform the
required tasks. They are setting up a specific fund for these
donations. You can make a contribution at the NFB of Missouri's
affiliate table in the Exhibit Hall or by visiting Gary in the
Missouri delegation during General Session.

    If you can't make a monetary donation or if you'd like to help
further, I'm collecting names and contact info of Federationists who
would be willing to baby-sit during Convention for parents who want to
get out for an evening or even just attend a few Convention events
without their children, and donate the proceeds to the NFB of Missouri
to help with the legal costs of returning Micaela to her parents.

    If you'd like to volunteer your time, please contact me at
stacy_cervenka at brownback.senate.gov or on my cell at 708-359-3301.
Please let me know the best way to contact you at Convention, a little
bit about your experience with kids (this might include being a parent
yourself, having worked as a counselor at a summer program, etc.), and
which times you would be available.

    Furthermore, feel free to share my contact info with any parents
who might be interested in this service during Convention.

Thanks,

Stacy Leigh Cervenka
Legislative Assistant
Office of Senator Sam Brownback (KS)
303 Hart Senate Office Building
Phone: (202) 224-6521
Email: stacy_cervenka at brownback.senate.gov




-- 
Arielle Silverman
President, National Association of Blind Students
Phone:  602-502-2255
Email:
nabs.president at gmail.com
Website:
www.nabslink.org


From nabs.president at gmail.com  Wed Jun 30 22:32:04 2010
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 16:32:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fighting Discrimination in Missouri
Message-ID: <AANLkTilvPjBx32Ywg4wPo53N8A4nHaY-Hr0mTFu73PtF@mail.gmail.com>

Dear students,

On the eve of our 70th anniversary as an organization, I am deeply
saddened to distribute the below message, about a blind couple in
Missouri whose newborn daughter was taken away from them by CPS,
merely because they are blind. This situation affects all of us,
especially since many of us are current or future blind parents, and
it's a shocking reminder of how much work remains ahead of us as an
organization. I urge you to read the below and to consider donating to
this cause, either directly or by helping to babysit at convention to
raise money for this family.
>From the NFB of Missouri:
Erica and Blake, a young couple were awaiting the birth of their first
child with joy and happiness. Baby Mikaela was born at 12:45pm, May 21. Not
 unlike many new mothers, Erica experienced some difficulty in her
first breast feeding
of Mikaela; she called the nurse for some advice. By 6:00pm child
 protective services arrived at the hospital to say the parents could not
 take Mikaela home, unless they had a sighted person to live with them.
In all the investigations, blindness is the only reason sited for the
 parents not being allowed to leave with their new baby girl.
 The Missouri affiliate has hired an attorney at $250 per hour, and
 her assistant at $85 per hour to bring Mikaela home where she belongs!
 Please help with any donations possible to unite this family. You may
 stop by the Missouri table, B 114 in the exhibit hall, or come by our
 delegation.
 We, the National Federation of the Blind can bring Mikaela home to
 her parents where she belongs! Thank you for any help you can give.
And a more recent update:
    I just spoke with NFB of Missouri President Gary Wunder. Here is the latest:

    The parents initially thought that if they played by the rules,
surely the judge would give them back their daughter at the first
hearing. However, this did not happen, so a second hearing was
scheduled for June 16. At this point, the parents realized that they
needed an advocate and contacted the NFB of Missouri. After visiting
with the couple in their home and determining that there were no
extenuating circumstances and that blindness was the only concern CPS
had about these parents, the NFB hired an attorney to assist them. The
cost of this attorney is $250 an hour, and $85 for the services of the
attorney's assistant.

    About two weeks ago, on June 16, the parents had their second
hearing. The judge seemed outraged that the hospital had taken the
child from this couple with so little cause and was further astounded
that the hospital had never dealt with blind parents before.
Unfortunately, this was not an evidentiary hearing, so no decisions
were made and it was announced that there would need to be a third
hearing. The problem is that this judge is going on vacation, so the
earliest they could get a hearing with her was on July 20. The parents
could have chosen to get an earlier hearing date with a different
judge, but their attorney advised them to wait for this judge to
return from vacation, because she had seemed so sympathetic and on
their side at the second hearing.

    So, the situation as it now stands is that the parents are
awaiting their third hearing on July 20, with this hopefully
sympathetic judge. Meanwhile, the NFB of Missouri is paying for the
parents to receive voc rehab training, to get letters from the state
VR agency saying that these parents can indeed perform the tasks that
were of concern to CPS. The NFB realizes that we shouldn't have to get
a permission slip from the state VR agency to have kids, but their
main focus at this time is to address the ridiculous "But, how does a
blind person do that?" concerns of the hospital and CPS and get baby
Micaela back with her parents where she belongs. So, the NFB of
Missouri is incurring additional costs, as they are paying out of
pocket for these voc rehab services for the couple.

    Gary asked me to pass along that the NFB of Missouri welcomes
donations to help defray the sky-rocketing legal expenses and the cost
of getting letters from VR professionals asserting that these parents
have received training in the skills of parenting and can perform the
required tasks. They are setting up a specific fund for these
donations. You can make a contribution at the NFB of Missouri's
affiliate table in the Exhibit Hall or by visiting Gary in the
Missouri delegation during General Session.

    If you can't make a monetary donation or if you'd like to help
further, I'm collecting names and contact info of Federationists who
would be willing to baby-sit during Convention for parents who want to
get out for an evening or even just attend a few Convention events
without their children, and donate the proceeds to the NFB of Missouri
to help with the legal costs of returning Micaela to her parents.

    If you'd like to volunteer your time, please contact me at
stacy_cervenka at brownback.senate.gov or on my cell at 708-359-3301.
Please let me know the best way to contact you at Convention, a little
bit about your experience with kids (this might include being a parent
yourself, having worked as a counselor at a summer program, etc.), and
which times you would be available.

    Furthermore, feel free to share my contact info with any parents
who might be interested in this service during Convention.

Thanks,

Stacy Leigh Cervenka
Legislative Assistant
Office of Senator Sam Brownback (KS)
303 Hart Senate Office Building
Phone: (202) 224-6521
Email: stacy_cervenka at brownback.senate.gov




-- 
Arielle Silverman
President, National Association of Blind Students
Phone:  602-502-2255
Email:
nabs.president at gmail.com
Website:
www.nabslink.org


From liamskitten at gmail.com  Wed Jun 30 22:39:18 2010
From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Courtney Stover)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:39:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Technology, Print and Readers
In-Reply-To: <D2B729844BF040EB8838EB197C26EF62@Rufus>
References: <D2B729844BF040EB8838EB197C26EF62@Rufus>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimqilXpdYY7f6iLoE02tZGVRVVtyGBBrdsekDj7@mail.gmail.com>

Jo,

This is a really interesting discussion topic.

To illustrate my thoughts, let me provide a personal example.  I was
considering applying for a position as a youth coordinator at an inner
city shelter.  One of the requirements was that one needed to be able
to read printed matterial.  Now, I had two options in this situation
as I see it.  I could have iether gone in, provided my credentials and
said something like: "I believe myself to be extremely qualified for
this position.  However, I am unable to read printed matterial and
therefore need a reader.  If you are willing to make this
accomadation, my work can proceed smoothely and I can be an assett to
this organization."

Or.. I could've gone in under the same circumstances and displayed my
KNFB reader, complete with headset.  "This will allow me to read most
printed matterial.  There may be exceptions where I need a reader, but
they will be very rare exceptions."  I could then have gone on to
detail these types of exceptions e.g. the reader not responding well
to certain colors of ink when they were set against certain
backgrounds)

Iether of these options would have been viable, imho.  However, I feel
that the second would have served me far better.  It would have
significantly decreased the accomodations the employer had to make,
making them far more likely to hire me, and it would have shown them
that I had good problem solving skills.

I do believe that if we wish to compete on an equal playing field, we
often need to take personal responsibility for making matterials
accessible.  In my oppinion, the blind attorney cited in the article
was skating extremely close to negligence.
Courtney

On 6/30/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
> I thought this was an interesting article on this month's Monitor.  Any
> thoughts?--Joe
>
> ***
>
> >From the Editor's Email Basket
> Technology, Access, and Personal Responsibility
>
> by Mike Freeman, Gary Wunder, and Dan Burke
>
> >From the Editor: Today's complex political, legal, and technological
> environment often creates complicated and ambiguous issues for blind people
> working
> to achieve equality, security, and opportunity for themselves and others.
> The NFB's philosophy of blindness is sound and pragmatic, but deciding to
> adhere
> to one's principles today and even determining what actions those principles
> demand can be a challenge. The following email exchange took place recently
> on the affiliate presidents listserv. The first message is from Mike
> Freeman, president of the NFB of Washington. The second is from Gary Wunder,
> president
> of the NFB of Missouri. The final one is from Dan Burke, president of the
> NFB of Montana. All three men are also members of the NFB board of directors
> and thoughtful shapers of NFB opinion and philosophy. Their concerns and
> cautions are worth serious thought. This is what they wrote:
>
> Fellow Affiliate Presidents:
>
> Mike Freeman
> We all know the basic tenets of NFB philosophy; we wouldn't be affiliate
> presidents were this not so. In most instances guidance from NFB philosophy
> is
> clear and straightforward. However, the most fascinating applications of NFB
> philosophy occur in situations that bring out its subtle nuances and force
> us to ponder what it means in the real world.
>
> In my opinion one of these areas of subtlety concerns our desire for
> accessible documents and other materials. When should we ask for them, when
> should
> we demand them, and when should we take responsibility for gaining access to
> them by our own efforts (including use of readers)? I am concerned that, as
> it becomes easier to get accessible materials, we are losing our edge in
> critical thinking and in adhering to NFB philosophy. I am becoming
> increasingly
> worried that more and more blind people-both NFB members and nonmembers-are
> failing to distinguish between that which is desirable and that which ought
> to be mandatory, between what should be ours by right and what is our own
> responsibility to procure for ourselves. The Americans with Disabilities Act
> and other laws have something to say about this under certain circumstances,
> but there is often room for disagreement, especially in employment
> situations,
> where I am afraid many blind people entering the workforce are confused
> about what is an employer's responsibility and what is the prospective
> employee's
> responsibility-where they begin and end, when failure to provide accessible
> materials is discrimination, and when it is just the way the world works. I
> am becoming increasingly concerned that we are not sufficiently educating
> our members in the arcana of NFB philosophy-a failing that is partly ours
> and
> partly that of the membership, who all too often want everything in
> ten-second sound bites.
>
> This concern was crystallized for me by two incidents that I observed during
> the past twenty-four hours. The first came from a question of one of our
> members
> (a staunch Federationist), and the second came from a post on our BlindLaw
> list.
>
> Incident one: A young lady called me up yesterday afternoon asking whether
> census forms were accessible and what blind folks who lived alone did to
> fill
> them out. I told her that I hadn't even considered the question; that I
> always just used an amanuensis and never worried about it. Apparently she
> called
> up the census office, and they have a form in Braille; she wondered how a
> blind person would handle this. I said that I supposed the Braille form was
> like
> the old Talking Book Topics Braille book request lists that had print under
> the Braille and one would just put a penciled line by the answer one wanted.
>
> My point is merely that in the old days we would never have even considered
> the question; we all just used an amanuensis to fill out the form, and that
> was that. To what extent is it the responsibility of the Census Bureau to
> provide accessible forms, and to what extent should we just accept that the
> world
> predominantly uses print and that, if we are to compete on terms of equality
> and, perhaps more important, demand the right to compete on terms of
> equality,
> we should just learn to handle the print ourselves? I know what Dr. Jernigan
> would say (or I think I do); in the no-longer-distributed publication "Why
> the NFB?," he took one letter-writer to task for complaining that he (Dr.
> Jernigan) had sent him some print correspondence.
>
> Incident two: A legitimate and interesting discussion has arisen on the
> BlindLaw mailing list concerning the rights of attorneys during the
> discovery process
> to receive materials in accessible form: what is the extent (if any) of
> these rights, and (a) whose responsibility it is to make documents
> accessible and
> (b) how should one get the job done, specifically with scanned PDF
> documents? The post that disturbed (nay, incensed) me was from a lawyer (I
> don't know
> whether or not he is in the NFB, and this is probably immaterial anyway) who
> said that one of his clients had gotten an adverse court ruling because the
> blind attorney hadn't been able to get a scanned PDF into a useable form in
> time to prevent it.
>
> I'm sorry, but this enrages me! Were I that attorney's client, I'd fire him
> and sue the pants off him for incompetence; if the attorney wishes to be
> accepted
> as being able to compete on terms of equality, he should actually compete,
> and in my opinion it is no one's responsibility but his to see that he has
> at
> hand all the material he needs to do the best job he can for his client.
>
> It will be interesting to see how others respond though I doubt many will
> put it in as stark terms as I do here. But my point is not to debate this
> particular
> issue: I am making like a foghorn in the night: ladies and gentlemen, we
> have a job to do. We not only need back-to-basics NFB philosophy seminars at
> the
> national level, but we need them in spades at the state-affiliate and
> local-chapter levels. The question then becomes how to get the membership to
> sit
> still long enough to absorb and consider the esoterica of NFB philosophy
> where the rubber really meets the road and get them to increase their
> critical
> thinking skills in this area, for I fear me greatly that we will face this
> issue more and more as the world increasingly adopts technologies and
> methodologies
> that involve use of sight under circumstances that heretofore they did not.
>
> Mike Freeman
>
> Hello Mike,
>
> Gary Wunder
> I really like your post and admire you for taking the time to put it out on
> a list like this. I have to tell you that I'm amazed that many people, some
> of them state presidents, don't even pay for readers on a regular basis. I
> can't imagine how people pay their bills, fill out forms, and do all of the
> other things that being a state president requires without setting up some
> human help along the way. To me it is just a built-in cost of being blind,
> one
> I have taken to be a given for a long, long time now. I cannot imagine
> trying to make it the responsibility of opposing counsel to provide my blind
> lawyer
> a document in an accessible format, and I would be mighty upset with any of
> our blind lawyers who told me my case had been lost because they did not
> read
> the material available.
>
> As for the census, our form was completed in less than five minutes by one
> of the readers we have come to our house. Currently we have two of them. One
> is a volunteer. The other uses the money she makes by working for us to buy
> groceries. Both of the people who work for us get something out of it, and,
> in addition to the reading we get, we get the joy that comes from the
> challenge of figuring out how to make our volunteer feel as good about
> knowing us
> as we feel about knowing her and the satisfaction of knowing that we have
> provided a job to someone who needs to eat.
>
> I think our people are indeed in need of some good Federation philosophy
> about technology and personal responsibility, but, when we hold such
> seminars,
> we will have to be mindful of several realities that can make determining
> what responsibility rests with us and what rests with others a bit more
> difficult
> in the twenty-first century than it was in 1940 or 1975. If discrimination
> is truly something which must be both detrimental and unreasonable, then
> there
> was little discrimination when sighted people would pass around plain pieces
> of white paper-plain to us because we could not determine the black or the
> red ink on them. I think there is no discrimination when sighted people sit
> around and talk about the expression on the face of the Mona Lisa or the
> genius
> of the painter who put it there, or how different pictures can convey a
> different message when viewed at a different angle. There is no
> discrimination
> if my daughter can do magic with the Paint Program provided in versions of
> Microsoft Windows, and I can do nothing with the same program. I want to
> drive,
> but currently there is no discrimination when my daughter of sixteen can get
> a license, and I cannot. At this point in our history these things are
> inherently
> visual.
>
> Now take the situation in which we have a device where everything can be
> recorded in a digital format, where every number and letter can be coded
> into a
> unique sequence that can be interpreted by a speech synthesizer, a Braille
> printer, or a text magnifier, and now consider that almost anybody who
> writes
> any kind of document uses this device. Then, to make it more glitzy, to
> allow for pictures more easily, or perhaps even to increase its security,
> they
> take what is inherently nonvisual and make it visual. Our own state
> government now writes most of its documents in Microsoft Word and then
> converts them
> to PDF for distribution. Is this sound public policy when the same state
> government and the federal government that provides most of the money for
> rehabilitation
> have entered into a contract with blind people saying, "If you will get the
> training and take going to work seriously, we will help you along the way?"
> Is it reasonable, when government and private industry actively support the
> creation, distribution, and purchase of project management tools that use
> numbers
> to calculate the criticality of a project and then turn those numbers into
> colors and graphs without providing a nonvisual solution so that we can get
> at those very numbers?
>
> As some of you may know, tomorrow I go to a two-day session for an
> orientation with the Cerner Corporation. Their goal for me is to teach me
> about their
> company and to show me the tools and techniques that will immediately make
> me a productive Cerner associate. I'm excited about the trip. I love
> learning
> about new technology and thrill at being on the cutting edge of a new
> electronic medical record.
>
> If I have any fear or reservations about that session, is it that I may not
> be capable of being a computer programmer? Absolutely not! Do I fear that I
> may behave in a socially inappropriate manner? No, I have no question about
> that. My fear is that, when they begin to show me the simplest of
> timekeeping
> functions, the way they track projects, and maybe even the way they sign
> into their system, we will find something in that mess that is inaccessible.
> Maybe
> it will be a button which was not coded as a button and therefore is not
> seen by a screen reader. Maybe it will look like a combo box but be nothing
> more
> than a series of links that in turn cause others to be displayed silently on
> the screen.
>
> At one of my recent jobs, the way one logged a problem was not only to have
> a user ID and password, but to carry around an electronic card which
> actually
> received a code that was changed every fifteen seconds. Only if you got
> these three elements could you file a problem for the vendor to fix.
>
> For me in this circumstance the question isn't whether I have a
> responsibility to deal with the printed word on a page, but whether I have
> the ability to
> decode a screen which, if created with nonvisual access in mind, I would
> have full access to, but, more times than not in the advanced world of
> technology,
> my needs as a blind person don't even place in the race to get something out
> the door.
>
> My point in writing all of this is to say that there is something of a
> shared responsibility for all of this information we are forced to cope with
> every
> day. If I am the one most personally affected, then I believe I am the one
> most personally responsible, yet, if that translates to the need to have
> somebody
> with me during three-fourths of my work week, I reject that as reasonable,
> whether I pay for that assistance or whether somehow my employer is willing
> to pay for it. It just makes no sense, especially since it is completely
> avoidable.
>
> I think all of this points to the absolute imperative that we pass H.R.
> 4533, the Technology Bill of Rights for the Blind Act. As I understand
> current law,
> there is nothing for blind people to do when their employment is threatened
> by technology which will not allow for nonvisual interaction except to sue
> their employer. This is not the way to show that you and they have a shared
> goal. This is not how a good employer-employee relationship is built. It is
> not the way you show your employer that you want to be a part of the team.
> At some point we must get to the place where these important decisions are
> handled
> at the procurement level and where a violation of the law is not revealed
> only after a blind employee finds himself at a significant disadvantage.
>
> So I'm all for a seminar, a back-to-basics,
> take-some-personal-responsibility gathering, but it will have to be one that
> grapples with the technology of
> today and not just a session where we say, "Well, of course you will, from
> time to time, need to hire the services of a sighted person to get along in
> the world, so get on with it."
>
> Gary Wunder
>
> Mike, et al.:
>
> Dan Burke
> Thanks for the post. I gave it plenty of thought this afternoon while
> thinning out the lilac hedge. Our previous efforts to ensure that electronic
> voting
> machines provided for in HAVA [Help America Vote Act] would be nonvisually
> accessible are an excellent example of Gary's points, as are our current
> efforts
> with the Technology Bill of Rights. Technology has changed the world in many
> respects because it can easily be made accessible.
>
> Part of my duties at the University of Montana includes supervising
> alternate media production, that is, primarily ensuring access to textbooks.
> I am also
> called on quite frequently to identify inaccessible documents. If, for
> example, I receive an inaccessible PDF, I engage in a conversation with its
> originators
> about dissemination of or deployment of such formats and give directions to
> resources for creating accessible documents. However, I don't then sit back
> and wait for the accessible document to come if I must read and digest the
> material in short order. I convert it or, since I have the luxury of
> high-speed
> scanners and student labor, have it converted.
>
> Philosophically, this question could be boiled down to whether blind people
> behave as actors or victims. I am keenly aware that, in fulfilling our ADA
> Title
> II obligation to provide accessible texts and documents in higher education,
> we may not always be preparing students to be actors in their professional
> lives. It is apparently quite possible to get all the way through law school
> without knowing how to convert paper or PDFs to accessible and usable
> documents.
> It may be posited that the lawyer in your story was a victim, or perhaps a
> less pejorative term might be recipient of accessibility. To be an actor in
> this case would require a strategy, the skills and resources or tools to get
> what one needed in a usable format in the most expedient manner--likely
> large
> amounts of material at times under severe deadlines.
>
> One tool in any such strategy, of course, is the old-fashioned,
> nontechnological use of a trained and reliable human reader. I use my
> knfbReader Mobile
> quite a bit now to go through personal mail, but, if I have been neglectful
> in keeping up with it (or just too busy), I revert to a reader as the most
> efficient way to get through a pile of mail in a hurry. The power company is
> not sympathetic to claims that I am not proficient in managing my personal
> business responsibilities.
>
> It's an excellent topic for a seminar discussion.
>
> Dan Burke
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
>
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From darrell.shandrow at gmail.com  Wed Jun 30 22:44:13 2010
From: darrell.shandrow at gmail.com (Darrell Shandrow)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 15:44:13 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Technology, Print and Readers
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  Hello Courtney,

In many cases, "printed materials" have been created using a computer.

I would have used your approaches, perhaps amending them by saying that 
I have a talking computer that is able to read most printed material 
that has been created on a computer using programs like Microsoft Word.

On 6/30/2010 3:39 PM, Courtney Stover wrote:
> Jo,
>
> This is a really interesting discussion topic.
>
> To illustrate my thoughts, let me provide a personal example.  I was
> considering applying for a position as a youth coordinator at an inner
> city shelter.  One of the requirements was that one needed to be able
> to read printed matterial.  Now, I had two options in this situation
> as I see it.  I could have iether gone in, provided my credentials and
> said something like: "I believe myself to be extremely qualified for
> this position.  However, I am unable to read printed matterial and
> therefore need a reader.  If you are willing to make this
> accomadation, my work can proceed smoothely and I can be an assett to
> this organization."
>
> Or.. I could've gone in under the same circumstances and displayed my
> KNFB reader, complete with headset.  "This will allow me to read most
> printed matterial.  There may be exceptions where I need a reader, but
> they will be very rare exceptions."  I could then have gone on to
> detail these types of exceptions e.g. the reader not responding well
> to certain colors of ink when they were set against certain
> backgrounds)
>
> Iether of these options would have been viable, imho.  However, I feel
> that the second would have served me far better.  It would have
> significantly decreased the accomodations the employer had to make,
> making them far more likely to hire me, and it would have shown them
> that I had good problem solving skills.
>
> I do believe that if we wish to compete on an equal playing field, we
> often need to take personal responsibility for making matterials
> accessible.  In my oppinion, the blind attorney cited in the article
> was skating extremely close to negligence.
> Courtney
>
> On 6/30/10, Joe Orozco<jsorozco at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> I thought this was an interesting article on this month's Monitor.  Any
>> thoughts?--Joe
>>
>> ***
>>
>> > From the Editor's Email Basket
>> Technology, Access, and Personal Responsibility
>>
>> by Mike Freeman, Gary Wunder, and Dan Burke
>>
>> > From the Editor: Today's complex political, legal, and technological
>> environment often creates complicated and ambiguous issues for blind people
>> working
>> to achieve equality, security, and opportunity for themselves and others.
>> The NFB's philosophy of blindness is sound and pragmatic, but deciding to
>> adhere
>> to one's principles today and even determining what actions those principles
>> demand can be a challenge. The following email exchange took place recently
>> on the affiliate presidents listserv. The first message is from Mike
>> Freeman, president of the NFB of Washington. The second is from Gary Wunder,
>> president
>> of the NFB of Missouri. The final one is from Dan Burke, president of the
>> NFB of Montana. All three men are also members of the NFB board of directors
>> and thoughtful shapers of NFB opinion and philosophy. Their concerns and
>> cautions are worth serious thought. This is what they wrote:
>>
>> Fellow Affiliate Presidents:
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>> We all know the basic tenets of NFB philosophy; we wouldn't be affiliate
>> presidents were this not so. In most instances guidance from NFB philosophy
>> is
>> clear and straightforward. However, the most fascinating applications of NFB
>> philosophy occur in situations that bring out its subtle nuances and force
>> us to ponder what it means in the real world.
>>
>> In my opinion one of these areas of subtlety concerns our desire for
>> accessible documents and other materials. When should we ask for them, when
>> should
>> we demand them, and when should we take responsibility for gaining access to
>> them by our own efforts (including use of readers)? I am concerned that, as
>> it becomes easier to get accessible materials, we are losing our edge in
>> critical thinking and in adhering to NFB philosophy. I am becoming
>> increasingly
>> worried that more and more blind people-both NFB members and nonmembers-are
>> failing to distinguish between that which is desirable and that which ought
>> to be mandatory, between what should be ours by right and what is our own
>> responsibility to procure for ourselves. The Americans with Disabilities Act
>> and other laws have something to say about this under certain circumstances,
>> but there is often room for disagreement, especially in employment
>> situations,
>> where I am afraid many blind people entering the workforce are confused
>> about what is an employer's responsibility and what is the prospective
>> employee's
>> responsibility-where they begin and end, when failure to provide accessible
>> materials is discrimination, and when it is just the way the world works. I
>> am becoming increasingly concerned that we are not sufficiently educating
>> our members in the arcana of NFB philosophy-a failing that is partly ours
>> and
>> partly that of the membership, who all too often want everything in
>> ten-second sound bites.
>>
>> This concern was crystallized for me by two incidents that I observed during
>> the past twenty-four hours. The first came from a question of one of our
>> members
>> (a staunch Federationist), and the second came from a post on our BlindLaw
>> list.
>>
>> Incident one: A young lady called me up yesterday afternoon asking whether
>> census forms were accessible and what blind folks who lived alone did to
>> fill
>> them out. I told her that I hadn't even considered the question; that I
>> always just used an amanuensis and never worried about it. Apparently she
>> called
>> up the census office, and they have a form in Braille; she wondered how a
>> blind person would handle this. I said that I supposed the Braille form was
>> like
>> the old Talking Book Topics Braille book request lists that had print under
>> the Braille and one would just put a penciled line by the answer one wanted.
>>
>> My point is merely that in the old days we would never have even considered
>> the question; we all just used an amanuensis to fill out the form, and that
>> was that. To what extent is it the responsibility of the Census Bureau to
>> provide accessible forms, and to what extent should we just accept that the
>> world
>> predominantly uses print and that, if we are to compete on terms of equality
>> and, perhaps more important, demand the right to compete on terms of
>> equality,
>> we should just learn to handle the print ourselves? I know what Dr. Jernigan
>> would say (or I think I do); in the no-longer-distributed publication "Why
>> the NFB?," he took one letter-writer to task for complaining that he (Dr.
>> Jernigan) had sent him some print correspondence.
>>
>> Incident two: A legitimate and interesting discussion has arisen on the
>> BlindLaw mailing list concerning the rights of attorneys during the
>> discovery process
>> to receive materials in accessible form: what is the extent (if any) of
>> these rights, and (a) whose responsibility it is to make documents
>> accessible and
>> (b) how should one get the job done, specifically with scanned PDF
>> documents? The post that disturbed (nay, incensed) me was from a lawyer (I
>> don't know
>> whether or not he is in the NFB, and this is probably immaterial anyway) who
>> said that one of his clients had gotten an adverse court ruling because the
>> blind attorney hadn't been able to get a scanned PDF into a useable form in
>> time to prevent it.
>>
>> I'm sorry, but this enrages me! Were I that attorney's client, I'd fire him
>> and sue the pants off him for incompetence; if the attorney wishes to be
>> accepted
>> as being able to compete on terms of equality, he should actually compete,
>> and in my opinion it is no one's responsibility but his to see that he has
>> at
>> hand all the material he needs to do the best job he can for his client.
>>
>> It will be interesting to see how others respond though I doubt many will
>> put it in as stark terms as I do here. But my point is not to debate this
>> particular
>> issue: I am making like a foghorn in the night: ladies and gentlemen, we
>> have a job to do. We not only need back-to-basics NFB philosophy seminars at
>> the
>> national level, but we need them in spades at the state-affiliate and
>> local-chapter levels. The question then becomes how to get the membership to
>> sit
>> still long enough to absorb and consider the esoterica of NFB philosophy
>> where the rubber really meets the road and get them to increase their
>> critical
>> thinking skills in this area, for I fear me greatly that we will face this
>> issue more and more as the world increasingly adopts technologies and
>> methodologies
>> that involve use of sight under circumstances that heretofore they did not.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>> Hello Mike,
>>
>> Gary Wunder
>> I really like your post and admire you for taking the time to put it out on
>> a list like this. I have to tell you that I'm amazed that many people, some
>> of them state presidents, don't even pay for readers on a regular basis. I
>> can't imagine how people pay their bills, fill out forms, and do all of the
>> other things that being a state president requires without setting up some
>> human help along the way. To me it is just a built-in cost of being blind,
>> one
>> I have taken to be a given for a long, long time now. I cannot imagine
>> trying to make it the responsibility of opposing counsel to provide my blind
>> lawyer
>> a document in an accessible format, and I would be mighty upset with any of
>> our blind lawyers who told me my case had been lost because they did not
>> read
>> the material available.
>>
>> As for the census, our form was completed in less than five minutes by one
>> of the readers we have come to our house. Currently we have two of them. One
>> is a volunteer. The other uses the money she makes by working for us to buy
>> groceries. Both of the people who work for us get something out of it, and,
>> in addition to the reading we get, we get the joy that comes from the
>> challenge of figuring out how to make our volunteer feel as good about
>> knowing us
>> as we feel about knowing her and the satisfaction of knowing that we have
>> provided a job to someone who needs to eat.
>>
>> I think our people are indeed in need of some good Federation philosophy
>> about technology and personal responsibility, but, when we hold such
>> seminars,
>> we will have to be mindful of several realities that can make determining
>> what responsibility rests with us and what rests with others a bit more
>> difficult
>> in the twenty-first century than it was in 1940 or 1975. If discrimination
>> is truly something which must be both detrimental and unreasonable, then
>> there
>> was little discrimination when sighted people would pass around plain pieces
>> of white paper-plain to us because we could not determine the black or the
>> red ink on them. I think there is no discrimination when sighted people sit
>> around and talk about the expression on the face of the Mona Lisa or the
>> genius
>> of the painter who put it there, or how different pictures can convey a
>> different message when viewed at a different angle. There is no
>> discrimination
>> if my daughter can do magic with the Paint Program provided in versions of
>> Microsoft Windows, and I can do nothing with the same program. I want to
>> drive,
>> but currently there is no discrimination when my daughter of sixteen can get
>> a license, and I cannot. At this point in our history these things are
>> inherently
>> visual.
>>
>> Now take the situation in which we have a device where everything can be
>> recorded in a digital format, where every number and letter can be coded
>> into a
>> unique sequence that can be interpreted by a speech synthesizer, a Braille
>> printer, or a text magnifier, and now consider that almost anybody who
>> writes
>> any kind of document uses this device. Then, to make it more glitzy, to
>> allow for pictures more easily, or perhaps even to increase its security,
>> they
>> take what is inherently nonvisual and make it visual. Our own state
>> government now writes most of its documents in Microsoft Word and then
>> converts them
>> to PDF for distribution. Is this sound public policy when the same state
>> government and the federal government that provides most of the money for
>> rehabilitation
>> have entered into a contract with blind people saying, "If you will get the
>> training and take going to work seriously, we will help you along the way?"
>> Is it reasonable, when government and private industry actively support the
>> creation, distribution, and purchase of project management tools that use
>> numbers
>> to calculate the criticality of a project and then turn those numbers into
>> colors and graphs without providing a nonvisual solution so that we can get
>> at those very numbers?
>>
>> As some of you may know, tomorrow I go to a two-day session for an
>> orientation with the Cerner Corporation. Their goal for me is to teach me
>> about their
>> company and to show me the tools and techniques that will immediately make
>> me a productive Cerner associate. I'm excited about the trip. I love
>> learning
>> about new technology and thrill at being on the cutting edge of a new
>> electronic medical record.
>>
>> If I have any fear or reservations about that session, is it that I may not
>> be capable of being a computer programmer? Absolutely not! Do I fear that I
>> may behave in a socially inappropriate manner? No, I have no question about
>> that. My fear is that, when they begin to show me the simplest of
>> timekeeping
>> functions, the way they track projects, and maybe even the way they sign
>> into their system, we will find something in that mess that is inaccessible.
>> Maybe
>> it will be a button which was not coded as a button and therefore is not
>> seen by a screen reader. Maybe it will look like a combo box but be nothing
>> more
>> than a series of links that in turn cause others to be displayed silently on
>> the screen.
>>
>> At one of my recent jobs, the way one logged a problem was not only to have
>> a user ID and password, but to carry around an electronic card which
>> actually
>> received a code that was changed every fifteen seconds. Only if you got
>> these three elements could you file a problem for the vendor to fix.
>>
>> For me in this circumstance the question isn't whether I have a
>> responsibility to deal with the printed word on a page, but whether I have
>> the ability to
>> decode a screen which, if created with nonvisual access in mind, I would
>> have full access to, but, more times than not in the advanced world of
>> technology,
>> my needs as a blind person don't even place in the race to get something out
>> the door.
>>
>> My point in writing all of this is to say that there is something of a
>> shared responsibility for all of this information we are forced to cope with
>> every
>> day. If I am the one most personally affected, then I believe I am the one
>> most personally responsible, yet, if that translates to the need to have
>> somebody
>> with me during three-fourths of my work week, I reject that as reasonable,
>> whether I pay for that assistance or whether somehow my employer is willing
>> to pay for it. It just makes no sense, especially since it is completely
>> avoidable.
>>
>> I think all of this points to the absolute imperative that we pass H.R.
>> 4533, the Technology Bill of Rights for the Blind Act. As I understand
>> current law,
>> there is nothing for blind people to do when their employment is threatened
>> by technology which will not allow for nonvisual interaction except to sue
>> their employer. This is not the way to show that you and they have a shared
>> goal. This is not how a good employer-employee relationship is built. It is
>> not the way you show your employer that you want to be a part of the team.
>> At some point we must get to the place where these important decisions are
>> handled
>> at the procurement level and where a violation of the law is not revealed
>> only after a blind employee finds himself at a significant disadvantage.
>>
>> So I'm all for a seminar, a back-to-basics,
>> take-some-personal-responsibility gathering, but it will have to be one that
>> grapples with the technology of
>> today and not just a session where we say, "Well, of course you will, from
>> time to time, need to hire the services of a sighted person to get along in
>> the world, so get on with it."
>>
>> Gary Wunder
>>
>> Mike, et al.:
>>
>> Dan Burke
>> Thanks for the post. I gave it plenty of thought this afternoon while
>> thinning out the lilac hedge. Our previous efforts to ensure that electronic
>> voting
>> machines provided for in HAVA [Help America Vote Act] would be nonvisually
>> accessible are an excellent example of Gary's points, as are our current
>> efforts
>> with the Technology Bill of Rights. Technology has changed the world in many
>> respects because it can easily be made accessible.
>>
>> Part of my duties at the University of Montana includes supervising
>> alternate media production, that is, primarily ensuring access to textbooks.
>> I am also
>> called on quite frequently to identify inaccessible documents. If, for
>> example, I receive an inaccessible PDF, I engage in a conversation with its
>> originators
>> about dissemination of or deployment of such formats and give directions to
>> resources for creating accessible documents. However, I don't then sit back
>> and wait for the accessible document to come if I must read and digest the
>> material in short order. I convert it or, since I have the luxury of
>> high-speed
>> scanners and student labor, have it converted.
>>
>> Philosophically, this question could be boiled down to whether blind people
>> behave as actors or victims. I am keenly aware that, in fulfilling our ADA
>> Title
>> II obligation to provide accessible texts and documents in higher education,
>> we may not always be preparing students to be actors in their professional
>> lives. It is apparently quite possible to get all the way through law school
>> without knowing how to convert paper or PDFs to accessible and usable
>> documents.
>> It may be posited that the lawyer in your story was a victim, or perhaps a
>> less pejorative term might be recipient of accessibility. To be an actor in
>> this case would require a strategy, the skills and resources or tools to get
>> what one needed in a usable format in the most expedient manner--likely
>> large
>> amounts of material at times under severe deadlines.
>>
>> One tool in any such strategy, of course, is the old-fashioned,
>> nontechnological use of a trained and reliable human reader. I use my
>> knfbReader Mobile
>> quite a bit now to go through personal mail, but, if I have been neglectful
>> in keeping up with it (or just too busy), I revert to a reader as the most
>> efficient way to get through a pile of mail in a hurry. The power company is
>> not sympathetic to claims that I am not proficient in managing my personal
>> business responsibilities.
>>
>> It's an excellent topic for a seminar discussion.
>>
>> Dan Burke
>>
>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>
>>
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