[nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 40, Issue 29
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Blind People Owning Guns (Alberto Arreola)
2. Re: Blind People Owning Guns (Alberto Arreola)
3. Re: Delayed Mail (Maurice Mines)
4. Re: Blind People Owning Guns (Jamie Principato)
5. KnfbReader Hints and Tricks discussion open to all
(Michael Hingson)
6. KnfbReader Hints and Tricks discussion open to all (David Andrews)
7. Reminder about conference call (Antonio M. Guimaraes)
8. Duxbury (Joe Orozco)
9. Re: Duxbury (Justin Young)
10. Re: Duxbury (David)
11. Re: nabs-l Digest, Vol 40, Issue 28 (Jennifer Applegate)
12. Re: Duxbury (Sarah Jevnikar)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:20:16 -0700
From: "Alberto Arreola" <alberto.2500 at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind People Owning Guns
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Yes I know of one person who has both a conceal weapons permit, and owns his
own guns.
His name is Carey McWilliams.
He has a book out, and he also has his own website where he puts up videos
of himself, and other things.
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Of Robert Spangler
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:08 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind People Owning Guns
Hello all,
Does anyone know of any blind person who has experience with owning
guns, taken the concealed weapon carry test, or has any experience
with guns? My sister needs to know for a school research project.
Please email rachael.spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu.
Thanks,
--
Robert Spangler
The University of Toledo
Student Senator - Administrative Affairs Committee Chair, College of
Arts and Sciences
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:39:18 -0700
From: "Alberto Arreola" <alberto.2500 at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind People Owning Guns
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You can email me off list if you are interested and I can provide you with
more information.
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Of Robert Spangler
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:08 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind People Owning Guns
Hello all,
Does anyone know of any blind person who has experience with owning
guns, taken the concealed weapon carry test, or has any experience
with guns? My sister needs to know for a school research project.
Please email rachael.spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu.
Thanks,
--
Robert Spangler
The University of Toledo
Student Senator - Administrative Affairs Committee Chair, College of
Arts and Sciences
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:45:40 -0700
From: Maurice Mines <minesm at me.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Delayed Mail
Message-ID: <4F30E190-34D4-46A8-9737-F37FCCCE5702 at me.com>
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hi same thing here as well. maurice ham call kd0iko.
On Feb 27, 2010, at 7:00 AM, Meghan Whalen wrote:
> I'm having the same problem.
>
> Meghan
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 6:59 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Delayed Mail
>
>
>> Is it just me, or are other people receiving delayed mail from the NFBNet
>> lists? I've seen discussion on the Mac question for a couple days now, but
>> I'm just now receiving Sally's original post. I don't know if my Gmail, the
>> mail server or my antivirus software is responsible.
>>
>> Joe Orozco
>>
>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:33:53 -0500
From: Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind People Owning Guns
Message-ID:
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Actually, if anyone knows anything about this, could you e-mail me as well?
I'd really like to know.
Thanks,
-Jamie
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Robert Spangler <spangler.robert at gmail.com
> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Does anyone know of any blind person who has experience with owning
> guns, taken the concealed weapon carry test, or has any experience
> with guns? My sister needs to know for a school research project.
> Please email rachael.spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Robert Spangler
> The University of Toledo
> Student Senator - Administrative Affairs Committee Chair, College of
> Arts and Sciences
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:45:34 -0600
From: "Michael Hingson" <info at michaelhingson.com> (by way of David
Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>)
To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] KnfbReader Hints and Tricks discussion open to all
Message-ID: <auto-000141317032 at mailfront2.g2host.com>
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KnfbReader Hints and Tricks discussion open to all
Everyone is invited next Thursday, March 4, to participate in a combined
on-line and telephone conference to discuss how we all use the KnfbReader
Mobile. A number of persons have wanted a forum to learn from other users
"How do you do that?". In response to these many requests we are arranging
for everyone to be able to call in via phone or Skype in on line to
participate.
This innovative program will take place next Thursday, March 4, beginning at
9PM Eastern time, 8PM Central, 7PM Mountain, 6PM Pacific and 4PM Hawaiian
time. In order to attempt to make this program as available to all as
possible we are offering two ways to participate. First you can Skype into
the program. Skype is a communications program available free of charge
through the internet. If you have Skype simply call my Skype name,
mhingson, and I will add you to the conference. More instructions will be
published later about this if necessary.
If you wish to participate via phone Here are the dial-in instructions for
the call. The call -- in number is (218) 339-3600. The access code is
329906#. Simply call in no later than times given above to be a part of
this call. The program is free. Only any relevant long distance charges
will apply.
Please bring your questions as well as your own reading techniques. Please
be ready to share and learn from the many other KnfbReader Mobile users and
experts who will be participating in the call. No question is too silly and
no idea is unwelcome. If you do not own a KnfbReader Mobile here is a
chance for you to hear first hand from users how they read, learn, and
succeed using this marvelous invention.
I look forward to meeting you all next Thursday evening. Thank you in
advance for participating in this first KnfbReader Mobile users forum.
Best,
Mike Hingson
The Michael Hingson Group, INC.
"Speaking with Vision"
Michael Hingson, President
(415) 827-4084
info at michaelhingson.com
www.michaelhingson.com
for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:59:51 -0600
From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] KnfbReader Hints and Tricks discussion open to all
Message-ID: <auto-000141317888 at mailfront2.g2host.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
KnfbReader Hints and Tricks discussion open to all
Everyone is invited next Thursday, March 4, to participate in a combined
on-line and telephone conference to discuss how we all use the KnfbReader
Mobile. A number of persons have wanted a forum to learn from other users
"How do you do that?". In response to these many requests we are arranging
for everyone to be able to call in via phone or Skype in on line to
participate.
This innovative program will take place next Thursday, March 4, beginning at
9PM Eastern time, 8PM Central, 7PM Mountain, 6PM Pacific and 4PM Hawaiian
time. In order to attempt to make this program as available to all as
possible we are offering two ways to participate. First you can Skype into
the program. Skype is a communications program available free of charge
through the internet. If you have Skype simply call my Skype name,
mhingson, and I will add you to the conference. More instructions will be
published later about this if necessary.
If you wish to participate via phone Here are the dial-in instructions for
the call. The call -- in number is (218) 339-3600. The access code is
329906#. Simply call in no later than times given above to be a part of
this call. The program is free. Only any relevant long distance charges
will apply.
Please bring your questions as well as your own reading techniques. Please
be ready to share and learn from the many other KnfbReader Mobile users and
experts who will be participating in the call. No question is too silly and
no idea is unwelcome. If you do not own a KnfbReader Mobile here is a
chance for you to hear first hand from users how they read, learn, and
succeed using this marvelous invention.
I look forward to meeting you all next Thursday evening. Thank you in
advance for participating in this first KnfbReader Mobile users forum.
Best,
Mike Hingson
The Michael Hingson Group, INC.
"Speaking with Vision"
Michael Hingson, President
(415) 827-4084
info at michaelhingson.com
www.michaelhingson.com
for info on the new KNFB Reader Mobile, visit:
http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:19:57 -0500
From: "Antonio M. Guimaraes" <iamantonio at cox.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder about conference call
Message-ID: <C18C4F94E2024DF99F3FA1991F752169 at userf9b4fa60eb>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hello all,
I am re-posting the message about the NABS conference call that will take place tomorrow.
Join the National Association of Blind Students and the membership committee in our latest conference call.
This time we have Melissa and Mark Riccobono to discussing parenting as a blind person, and couple.
Melissa is blind, and the president of the National Federation of the Blind of Md. She has been a leader in the Human Services Division.
Mark Riccobono is director of the NFB Jernigan Institute. His leadership and ideas help drive our movement.
Mark and Melissa are parents to Austin Riccobono, and they are expecting a second child.
Join the call on February 28 at 7:00 pm eastern, 6 central, 5 mountain, 4 pacific.
Dial 712-775-7100,
access code 257963.
Whether you are a parent, or might become a blind parent in the future; if you are a care-taker; if you want to know the joys and trials or parenting, and the unique aspects of parenting as a blind person, help make this call a success by joining and participating.
This call is for you, so make the best of it.
Antonio Guimaraes
Membership committee
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:59:42 -0500
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List'" <nfbcs at nfbnet.org>, "'National
Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] Duxbury
Message-ID: <B72399C1CC1E49C5BA351871D859B4DD at Rufus>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hello,
Is Duxbury the only Braille translation software out there? I'm considering
the purchase of an embosser and want to factor in the cost of the
appropriate software to make that purchase complete. Thanks, and any
recommendations on good embosser models is appreciated.
Joe Orozco
"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 21:25:46 -0500
From: Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Duxbury
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I'm not sure if it's the only translation out there, but its the best
and most commonly used. As for embossers, I personally have a Juliet
Justin
On 2/27/10, Joe Orozco <jsorozco at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Is Duxbury the only Braille translation software out there? I'm considering
> the purchase of an embosser and want to factor in the cost of the
> appropriate software to make that purchase complete. Thanks, and any
> recommendations on good embosser models is appreciated.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 22:58:57 -0600
From: David <davidb521 at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Duxbury
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hi,
Duxbury is possibly the most comprehensive Braille translator that I know
of. The Index embossers made by a company in Sweden come with a piece of
software called WinBraille, but I don't like the translation tables. Some of
the contractions are a bit off, as well as some of the Braille symbols.
That's just my opinion, though.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 8:00 PM
To: 'NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List'; 'National Association of Blind Students
mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] Duxbury
Hello,
Is Duxbury the only Braille translation software out there? I'm considering
the purchase of an embosser and want to factor in the cost of the
appropriate software to make that purchase complete. Thanks, and any
recommendations on good embosser models is appreciated.
Joe Orozco
"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 01:20:51 -0600
From: "Jennifer Applegate" <jlastar at comcast.net>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 40, Issue 28
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reply-type=original
I had to purchase another laptop at the beginning of last semester, as the
screen went out on my laptop that I use for college. I ended up with
purchasing a mini notebook by asues from best buy for $300, and it had a
trial of microsoft office 2007 for 60 days on it. I purchased a student
version of the software from microsoft for $59 about the time it ran out.
Initially I was hesitant about purchasing it, as it did not have jaws on it
or a disk drive to load jaws. However my brother is a techy person and used
an external disk drive to load my jaws software onto the notebook. So I
spent a total of $360, and it has been great for college purposes,
especially when someone sighted needs to look at the screen to help me.
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> 1. Re: Does anyone use a MacBook or MacBook Pro for school?
> (Kevin Fjelsted)
> 2. questions about e-college (Maryann Migliorelli)
> 3. Re: Does anyone use a MacBook or MacBook Pro for school?
> (Kevin Fjelsted)
> 4. Delayed Mail (Joe Orozco)
> 5. Re: Delayed Mail (Serena)
> 6. Fw: March Issue Now Available (V Nork)
> 7. Re: Delayed Mail (Nicole B. Torcolini)
> 8. Re: Delayed Mail (Courtney Stover)
> 9. Re: Delayed Mail (Rania )
> 10. Re: Delayed Mail (Meghan Whalen)
> 11. Blind People Owning Guns (Robert Spangler)
> 12. Re: Blind People Owning Guns (Robert Jaquiss)
> 13. Re: Does anyone use a MacBook or MacBook Pro for school?
> (Briley Pollard)
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:43:35 -0600
> From: Kevin Fjelsted <kfjelsted at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Does anyone use a MacBook or MacBook Pro for
> school?
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>
> There are a number of resources that will give a perspective on using
> the mac. One web resource that I find helpful is
> http://www.lioncourt.com/.
> I have a few entries on my blog at http://www.kfjelsted.com/ which
> describe my personal experience.
> It is also important to keep in mind that if one utilizes a Mac one
> can run Windows within that Mac platform. THis is not true if one
> picks a Windows platform I.E., there is a huge advantage by utilizing
> a Mac platform over a WIndows platform from a flexibility perspective.
>
> I think it is a very powerful statement when the former Vice President
> of Software Engineering in charge of JAWS development for Freedom
> Scientific is now using a Mac almost exclusively.
> Another factor worth considering is that JAWS is languishing and
> appears to be getting bugler and bugler as time goes on. Unless there
> is a major effort to turn things around the JAWS screen reader will
> run out of steam very soon. THis is a separate issue so if JAWS is
> being compared to be fair one should compare some of the other Windows
> screen readers.
> -Kevin
> On 2/25/10, Christopher Wright <chriswright11 at verizon.net> wrote:
>> Hi Corbb,
>> As someone who is following Mac-related developments, as much as
>> possible,
>> I'd like to know what brings you to that conclusion.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Corbb O'Connor" <corbbo at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 4:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Does anyone use a MacBook or MacBook Pro for
>> school?
>>
>>
>>> Hi Sally,
>>>
>>> I'll probably initiate a firestorm with this comment, but I'll say it
>>> anyway. I'm a blind user of the Mac, and love it. But if I didn't have
>>> any residual vision, I'd be a JAWS user. I find that more programs are
>>> accessible with JAWS on the Windows operating system, and that it's
>>> just
>>> easier to use. That said, if your son has remaining vision and uses a
>>> magnification software to see the screen, then go for the Mac. It's
>>> built-in, and very good. Combine that with VoiceOver, the built- in
>>> screen
>>>
>>> reader on the Mac, and he'll be in good shape. But, if it's easier for
>>> him to use the screen reader than squint to see the screen, then I'd
>>> say
>>> Windows.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps -- and I'm happy to answer more questions!
>>> Corbb O'Connor
>>> Senior, The George Washington University
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Sally Thomas wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm the parent of a blind 13 year old. He tells me that the screen
>>> reader on the MacBook is great and that it is better than using a
>>> Windows
>>>
>>> computer with JAWS. I'm curious whether or not this is true. Have any
>>> of you used both? How do they compare? Which do you prefer? Any
>>> insight you have would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Sally Thomas
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:19:21 -0700
> From: "Maryann Migliorelli" <mrsmigs at migliorelli.org>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, "Colorado Association of Blind Students List"
> <cabs at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] questions about e-college
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> Hello Fellow students,
> I'm wondering if anyone is using e-college for your online classes. If
> so, what screen reader are you using and where did you get whatever
> scripts you needed to make it work. Also, is anyone using my-scribe for
> your online textbooks? Is there another preferred puff bookreader with
> the same features?
> Thanks for any help given. I'm investigating accessibility at Devry
> University.
> Maryann Migliorelli
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:28:05 -0600
> From: Kevin Fjelsted <kfjelsted at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Does anyone use a MacBook or MacBook Pro for
> school?
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> <b6d81871002261528m1e36c254t136ad170a9ce91c6 at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> I did a quick check using retail online pricing.
> The JAWS professional software costs $1,095.00 at the Freedom
> Scientific online store.
> THen in order to keep current there is a yearly SMA cost of $260.00.
> Since Apple has not released a NetBook we cannot compare Netbooks.
> HOwever Apple will begin selling the IPad at the end of March for $499
> which will be comparable and better than a Netbook. The IPad will
> have the same accessibility using VoiceOver as the IPhone at no extra
> cost.
> A non-Netbook WIndows laptop can be had for say $550 retail.
> If one then adds screen reading software plus a productivity suite it
> would seem that we are at least $1800 for a system.
>
> The Macbook laptop costs $999 retail.
>
> With the Macbook one already has built-in accessibility plus core
> productivity functions including mail, text processing, address
> management, and calendaring. One can add IWOrk for the Mac at $80 and
> get Pages (word processor compatible with Microsoft WOrd) Numbers
> (spreadsheet compatible with Excel) and Keynote (presentations
> including powerpoint compatibility).
>
> The Apple Mac Mini can be purchased for $599.00. The Mini is a 2
> pound very small system that is not battery powered. I use the Mini
> because I can throw it in a backpack and it takes up about the quarter
> of the room of a laptop.
> THe cool thing is that one doesn't need to attach a monitor if one
> attaches a very short Apple provided converter cable to the Mini.
>
> In the pricing discussions it is important to focus not only on the
> hardware but the software as well.
>
> On 2/26/10, Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com> wrote:
>> Sally,
>>
>> Please allow me to both agree with Darrell and maybe muddy the waters
>> further. It the school uses MACS, it may still be wise to see what
>> software
>> they are using on
>> the MACS to determine if it is accessible. For example, if a school
>> makes
>> heavy use of Microsoft Office on the MAC, a blind student might be better
>> off with a
>> Windows computer with Microsoft Office installed as Microsoft Word is, to
>> my
>> knowledge, not accessible on the MAC. In other words, the hardware and
>> the
>> software must both be considered. What is the school using for class web
>> sites, and can web sites be used with one computer better than the other?
>> These are
>> not questions that will necessarily give MAC or Windows the upper hand,
>> but
>> they need to be explored since he'll be in that school system for a few
>> years to come.
>>
>> I don't think any objective person would try to say that either MAC or
>> Windows are flat out better because it is more complicated than that. At
>> this point, there are
>> more accessible applications running on Windows, but one doesn't run "all
>> accessible applications" only the ones they are interested in, so if what
>> he
>> needs to do
>> on the MAC is accessible, then it may not matter. Apple, on the other
>> hand,
>> has more control over the applications written for the MAC, so in some
>> cases,
>> accessibility is probably more stable. I say all this only to illustrate
>> the complexity.
>>
>> VoiceOver is included with the MAC as has been said. However, when
>> buying
>> computers for my kids, I found that MACBooks were substantially more
>> expensive
>> than Windows laptops. One can argue correctly that you might get more,
>> but
>> the fact remains that you will probably pay more. A Windows laptop with
>> a
>> screen
>> reader will likely cost you more, though, than a MACBook, in all
>> fairness,
>> but at least when I looked, the total costs made the fact that VoiceOver
>> was
>> included
>> somewhat less significant. This may have changed, though.
>>
>> These are not the kind of clear answers you are looking for, but please
>> ask
>> if you have more questions.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 07:45:41 -0700, Darrell Shandrow wrote:
>>
>>>Hello Sally,
>>
>>>As with many things inside and outside the assistive technology arena, a
>>>judgment of which solution is the "best" for any particular application
>>>can
>>>be subjective.
>>>
>>>If your son is able to complete his school work on terms of equality with
>>>his sighted peers, then the solution is best for his needs. If he is not,
>>>then, perhaps, some modification is in order.
>>
>>>Many schools continue to rely on Apple for all or most of their
>>>technology,
>>>so your son's ability to use the same computer as other kids at school is
>>>probably a big help to him, his teachers and the school's support staff.
>>
>>>On the other hand, if the school relies on Windows, then he might want to
>>>consider switching to a screen reader like System Access, Window-Eyes or
>>>JAWS.
>>
>>>Hope this helps.
>>
>>>Regards,
>>
>>>Darrell
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>>Of Sally Thomas
>>>Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:34 PM
>>>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Does anyone use a MacBook or MacBook Pro for school?
>>
>>>Hi,
>>
>>>I'm the parent of a blind 13 year old. He tells me that the screen
>>>reader
>>>on the MacBook is great and that it is better than using a Windows
>>>computer
>>>with JAWS. I'm curious whether or not this is true. Have any of you
>>>used
>>>both? How do they compare? Which do you prefer? Any insight you have
>>>would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>>Sally Thomas
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:59:14 -0500
> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Delayed Mail
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Is it just me, or are other people receiving delayed mail from the NFBNet
> lists? I've seen discussion on the Mac question for a couple days now,
> but
> I'm just now receiving Sally's original post. I don't know if my Gmail,
> the
> mail server or my antivirus software is responsible.
>
> Joe Orozco
>
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> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
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> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:54:33 -0500
> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Delayed Mail
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> reply-type=original
>
> I am, too. I'm not the tech wizzard who knows what's causing it. I use
> Verizon, not gmail.
>
> Serena
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 7:59 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Delayed Mail
>
>
>> Is it just me, or are other people receiving delayed mail from the NFBNet
>> lists? I've seen discussion on the Mac question for a couple days now,
>> but
>> I'm just now receiving Sally's original post. I don't know if my Gmail,
>> the
>> mail server or my antivirus software is responsible.
>>
>> Joe Orozco
>>
>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>> sleeves,
>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:01:51 -0800
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> To: <real-eyes at freelists.org>
> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
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> Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: March Issue Now Available
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> March Issue Now Available
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>
> d.. Apex and Intel: A Commentary, by Deborah Kendrick-A perspective on
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:21:35 -0800
> From: "Nicole B. Torcolini" <ntorcolini at wavecable.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Delayed Mail
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> Ditto. Sometimes, I also receive the reply before the original email. It's
> not just this list; it also happens on the other two NFB hosted lists to
> which I am subscribed.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 5:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Delayed Mail
>
>
>>I am, too. I'm not the tech wizzard who knows what's causing it. I use
>>Verizon, not gmail.
>>
>> Serena
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 7:59 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Delayed Mail
>>
>>
>>> Is it just me, or are other people receiving delayed mail from the
>>> NFBNet
>>> lists? I've seen discussion on the Mac question for a couple days now,
>>> but
>>> I'm just now receiving Sally's original post. I don't know if my Gmail,
>>> the
>>> mail server or my antivirus software is responsible.
>>>
>>> Joe Orozco
>>>
>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>> sleeves,
>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 04:32:36 -0600
> From: Courtney Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Delayed Mail
> Message-ID:
> <7949e5e21002270232r7f840107ucda0a18ea1ecc04c at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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> Hi all:
>
> I, too, am receiving delayed mail. Because of the variety of servers,
> I'm thinking it has to be the NFB servers.
> Courtney
>
> On 2/27/10, Nicole B. Torcolini <ntorcolini at wavecable.com> wrote:
>> Ditto. Sometimes, I also receive the reply before the original email.
>> It's
>> not just this list; it also happens on the other two NFB hosted lists to
>> which I am subscribed.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 5:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Delayed Mail
>>
>>
>>>I am, too. I'm not the tech wizzard who knows what's causing it. I use
>>>Verizon, not gmail.
>>>
>>> Serena
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 7:59 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Delayed Mail
>>>
>>>
>>>> Is it just me, or are other people receiving delayed mail from the
>>>> NFBNet
>>>> lists? I've seen discussion on the Mac question for a couple days now,
>>>> but
>>>> I'm just now receiving Sally's original post. I don't know if my
>>>> Gmail,
>>>> the
>>>> mail server or my antivirus software is responsible.
>>>>
>>>> Joe Orozco
>>>>
>>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>>> sleeves,
>>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> signature
>>>> database 4899 (20100226) __________
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 07:22:27 -0800
> From: "Rania " <raniaismail04 at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Delayed Mail
> Message-ID: <4b890e8e.86c3f10a.428e.ffffbdd9 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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> The same thing happends to me too.
> Rania,
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Nicole B. Torcolini
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 11:22 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Delayed Mail
>
> Ditto. Sometimes, I also receive the reply before the original email. It's
> not just this list; it also happens on the other two NFB hosted lists to
> which I am subscribed.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Serena" <serenacucco at verizon.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 5:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Delayed Mail
>
>
>>I am, too. I'm not the tech wizzard who knows what's causing it. I use
>>Verizon, not gmail.
>>
>> Serena
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 7:59 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Delayed Mail
>>
>>
>>> Is it just me, or are other people receiving delayed mail from the
>>> NFBNet
>>> lists? I've seen discussion on the Mac question for a couple days now,
>>> but
>>> I'm just now receiving Sally's original post. I don't know if my Gmail,
>>> the
>>> mail server or my antivirus software is responsible.
>>>
>>> Joe Orozco
>>>
>>> "Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
>>> sleeves,
>>> some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 08:00:02 -0600
> From: Meghan Whalen <mewhalen at wisc.edu>
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> I'm having the same problem.
>
> Meghan
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> From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
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>> Is it just me, or are other people receiving delayed mail from the NFBNet
>> lists? I've seen discussion on the Mac question for a couple days now,
>> but
>> I'm just now receiving Sally's original post. I don't know if my Gmail,
>> the
>> mail server or my antivirus software is responsible.
>>
>> Joe Orozco
>>
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> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:07:36 -0500
> From: Robert Spangler <spangler.robert at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [nabs-l] Blind People Owning Guns
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> Hello all,
>
> Does anyone know of any blind person who has experience with owning
> guns, taken the concealed weapon carry test, or has any experience
> with guns? My sister needs to know for a school research project.
> Please email rachael.spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Robert Spangler
> The University of Toledo
> Student Senator - Administrative Affairs Committee Chair, College of
> Arts and Sciences
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:14:32 -0600
> From: "Robert Jaquiss" <rjaquiss at earthlink.net>
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> Cc: rachael.spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu
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> Hello:
>
> I know of two blind hunters. I presume they own their own firearms and
> transport them. I would think the bigger issue would be could the
> individual
> use a weapon. Blind hunters have sighted people help them aim.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert Jaquiss, President
> Greater Ouachita Chapter
> National Federation of the Blind
> Email: rjaquiss at earthlink.net
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>> Hello all,
>>
>> Does anyone know of any blind person who has experience with owning
>> guns, taken the concealed weapon carry test, or has any experience
>> with guns? My sister needs to know for a school research project.
>> Please email rachael.spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Robert Spangler
>> The University of Toledo
>> Student Senator - Administrative Affairs Committee Chair, College of
>> Arts and Sciences
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> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:58:41 -0600
> From: Briley Pollard <brileyp at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Does anyone use a MacBook or MacBook Pro for
> school?
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> I'm also a Mac user, and I can say that it would've been awesome to have
> access to this technology in high school. Being able to use any of the
> computers my sighted peers were using would've have been more convenient
> on many fronts.
>
> Good luck,
> BrileyOn Feb 25, 2010, at 8:33 PM, Maurice Mines wrote:
>
>> hi I am a mac user and i use a braille desplay. and seem to be fine.
>> On Feb 25, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Corbb O'Connor wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sally,
>>>
>>> I'll probably initiate a firestorm with this comment, but I'll say it
>>> anyway. I'm a blind user of the Mac, and love it. But if I didn't have
>>> any residual vision, I'd be a JAWS user. I find that more programs are
>>> accessible with JAWS on the Windows operating system, and that it's just
>>> easier to use. That said, if your son has remaining vision and uses a
>>> magnification software to see the screen, then go for the Mac. It's
>>> built-in, and very good. Combine that with VoiceOver, the built-in
>>> screen reader on the Mac, and he'll be in good shape. But, if it's
>>> easier for him to use the screen reader than squint to see the screen,
>>> then I'd say Windows.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps -- and I'm happy to answer more questions!
>>> Corbb O'Connor
>>> Senior, The George Washington University
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Sally Thomas wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm the parent of a blind 13 year old. He tells me that the screen
>>> reader on the MacBook is great and that it is better than using a
>>> Windows computer with JAWS. I'm curious whether or not this is true.
>>> Have any of you used both? How do they compare? Which do you prefer?
>>> Any insight you have would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Sally Thomas
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 03:41:40 -0500
From: "Sarah Jevnikar" <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Duxbury
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Hi Joe and all,
I have an Index Basic-D which as mentioned comes with WinBraille. I also
have Duxbury, which generally seems more user-friendly. The advantage of
WinBraille is that you can emboss documents directly from Microsoft Word if
you want. I haven't used any of the aforementioned translation tables, so I
can't compare the two products in that sense.
The embosser itself is decent: you can print double-sided if you choose and
it's easy to configure. It has speech output which helps, in spite of the
fact that the embosser has a Swedish accent. I am told it can Braille
graphics but I haven't tried it myself. It doesn't come with a
sound-reducing case like some embossers do, and is loud. However it has
always served my purposes and any issues I've had have been with the
software rather than the embosser itself.
Apologies for the usual verbosity. I hope that helped some though.
Sarah
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From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of David
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:59 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Duxbury
Hi,
Duxbury is possibly the most comprehensive Braille translator that I know
of. The Index embossers made by a company in Sweden come with a piece of
software called WinBraille, but I don't like the translation tables. Some of
the contractions are a bit off, as well as some of the Braille symbols.
That's just my opinion, though.
David
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From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Joe Orozco
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 8:00 PM
To: 'NFBnet NFBCS Mailing List'; 'National Association of Blind Students
mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] Duxbury
Hello,
Is Duxbury the only Braille translation software out there? I'm considering
the purchase of an embosser and want to factor in the cost of the
appropriate software to make that purchase complete. Thanks, and any
recommendations on good embosser models is appreciated.
Joe Orozco
"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves,
some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam Ewing
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