[nabs-l] Why are you even taking a bio lab?

Mon Nov 8 20:59:20 UTC 2010

I wanted to reply to voice my agreement on this issue.  Blind people can do 
science.  Rather than focusing on how one can't do something, it may be a 
better idea to think of how a particular task can be accomplished using the 
five senses.  I think that when we automatically think of something as a 
task that is accomplished by vision, we leave the other senses out, but if 
we could think of the task and how to do it using all the senses, we are 
more likely to realize it can be done in multiple ways.  Imagine if, before 
the first microscope was invented, scientists said "Well, we can't cure 
disease x; after all, we can't see it."  The microscope is an alternative 
technique to vision, and it is one way of seeing what humans cannot. 
Likewise, other tools can be used to "see" for us, such as a cane to inform 
us about obstacles in front of us, or raised lines to help us visualize a 
map.  So I say do science; ask a scribe to use a raised line drawing kit to 
reproduce what he/she sees under the microscope in an enlarged version, ask 
questions about movement, size, shape, color, etc.  Don't give up just 
because it seems impossible.  Many people might be dead today if those who 
uncovered the cures to some diseases them hadn't kept finding new ways to 
discover information, such as microscopes, etc.  It is okay if you aren't 
interested in science, but just because you may not be interested doesn't 
mean you should discourage others.  All of us have different interests and 
talents; that's what makes this world so interesting and enables us to 
create a successful and productive society.  Just my two cents.  Anita
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chrys Buckley" <cbuckley at pdx.edu>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why are you even taking a bio lab?


>
> I want to second the opinions of Cindy, Jamie and Jewel here. I don't 
> think science should be avoided just because of blindness. I am  actually 
> a biology major and so personally, I love the sciences. I  have also taken 
> a fair amount of physics and astronomy, before I  figured out that biology 
> is what I really wanted to do. I think  sometimes, some labs can seem more 
> intimidating in terms of access and  blindness issues than they really 
> are.
>
> For example, I was very nervous about taking Anatomy & Physiology this 
> year, thinking it was going to be heavily visual. I mean, that is what 
> you always hear about A&P. Well, so far anyway, it hasn't been a  problem 
> at all! For the first section of the class we learned all the  bones and 
> their features by using plastic and real bones, so that  ended up being 
> more tactile than visual. For tests, we had to identify  bones or identify 
> features of bones indicated by tape, which again was  very tactile. And 
> there were skeletons in the classroom to learn on as  well. Now we are 
> learning the muscle system and we are doing that on  cadavers, which I 
> believe some students are doing visually, but this  again is really 
> tactile. So the point is that this science lab that I  spent all this 
> energy worrying about how visual it would be turns out  (so far, knock on 
> wood) to be a class with almost no access issues at  all. Just b/c most 
> people do it visually, I think that other ways of  doing it were just 
> never thought about by most people.
>
> Anyway, all I can say is I really love the sciences and encourage  anyone 
> who wants to or has to take a science class to take it and not  avoid it 
> (or assume that others will or should) just because of  blindness.
>
> Chrys
>
>
>
> Quoting "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi,
>> I think I'll throw my two cents in here. I am majoring in Special
>> Education, to go on to Graduate School for a Master's in Special
>> Education of the Blind. I plan on becoming a TVI in a public school
>> system. You might tell me "Why ae you going to take Biology?" I plan
>> on taking two Biology classes, and worse yet (in some people's
>> opinions), two courses in Astronomy, one of my absolute favourite
>> subjects. Just because accommodations have to be made and struggles
>> will occur doesn't mean a blind student should avoid those classes. I
>> love astronomy, but can only see light and colour, so should I not
>> take an astronomy class, which is traditionally graphic heavy?
>> Adaptations can be made, and the more of us that take these classes,
>> the more the classes will be accessible to us.
>>
>> I'll give an example of adaptations: For Astronomy I plan on buying a
>> small LiteBrite. This is a board on which pegs are placed (I'm not
>> sure of the dimensions, but I think it's something like 30 by 30
>> pegs). Then, the switch is turned and the board lights up the pegs
>> (the board is opaque, so the light goes only in the pegs, which are
>> clear plastic in various colours). This is my tool for looking at
>> constellations, solar systems, solar flares, and all sorts of
>> astronomical phenomenae. This will require the assistance of a reader,
>> of course, who will place the (previously-made) pictures on the
>> LiteBrite and place the pegs in the right places to make the picture
>> visible to me appropriately (I can also feel the pegs for a tactile
>> input). Then, the pictures can be placed in  a folder with a Braille
>> label of what they are and/or a Brailled description of the picture.
>> For studying, I can then take the picture out with the holes already
>> prepared, place it on the board, and put the pegs in myself based on
>> the already existing holes.
>>
>> The other thing I plan on using is Wikisticks. Most of you know what
>> these are, flexible sticks of various colours that can be shaped into
>> most anything, kinda like pipe cleaners but without the fuzziness,
>> which can distract tactilely. The wikisticks will be used for shaping
>> quick illustrations (A circle hre, with a line extending out to show a
>> solar flare, or a large circle here and little circles showing where
>> the planets are in that solar system. They could even show an
>> elliptical or spiral solar system's basic shape.
>>
>> I wish all the textbook's illustrations could be made tactile like
>> those in "Touch the Sun" and the other books in that series, as I
>> absolutely LOVE those books, and have read all but the last one (I
>> haven't gotten my hands on a copy of that one yet, which I don't
>> remember the name of).
>>
>> The point is, science is important to everyone and blind students
>> should not avoid scinece classes just because they know it'll be more
>> difficult. The more of us that take science classes, and the more the
>> NFB works toward access to science and math classes for the blind, the
>> better it'll get. There are people working hard to make scinece
>> classes more accessible to the blind...take a look at the latest
>> laboratory tools now available. And what about the person who was just
>> on here asking about accessible games because his group is working on
>> an accessible virtual dissection? And at NC State, they are working
>> hard to produce a full-page refreshable Braille display. When that's
>> made, Braille pictures will be able to be seen with eBraille,
>> illustrating everything from a helicopter to the Eiffel Tower to the
>> differences in different rays (gamma, radio, micro, etc).
>>
>> Science and Math are very important to everyone, not just the sighted,
>> and we have to work hard to make sure it's available to us. Let's not
>> ask again "Why are you even taking a biology class?" You might as well
>> ask why someone is taking a computer class (computers weren't always
>> all that accessible) or why someone is take a Communications class (a
>> large part of Interpersonal Communications class here is Non-verbal
>> communication...which most people with visual impairments have trouble
>> seeing!). Or we might even ask "Why are you even going to college?"
>>
>> My rant,
>>
>> On 11/8/10, Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I don't have much to say here. I certainly value the opinions of others, 
>>> and
>>> their right to have them, but speaking as a student who has been 
>>> fighting
>>> for access to Science, Technology, Engineering and Math courses at my 
>>> own
>>> university, and one who has been asked before why I don't simply switch 
>>> to a
>>> major that doesn't require such courses, or simply get through the ones 
>>> I
>>> need and avoid any other sciences, I have to say that it really does 
>>> make me
>>> sick to my stomach to see someone ask the *future* of the organized 
>>> blind a
>>> question about lab access and be met with a statement like the subject 
>>> line
>>> of this e-mail. I think it's because a good number of blind students 
>>> feel
>>> this way, because we're so quick to avoid potential access issues and 
>>> let
>>> someone else fight the good fight that anyone needs to fight to begin 
>>> with.
>>> I think this is, in part, why blind students can walk into Biology or
>>> Chemistry or Physics labs across the country and be told that the lab
>>> coordinator simply has no idea how they can possibly be successful in 
>>> that
>>> particular course. They ask theselves the same question asked here. Why
>>> would this student even try to take this class if they can't see to do 
>>> it
>>> efficiently?
>>>
>>> I'm sorry if you disagree with me... very sorry, in fact. I just can't 
>>> stand
>>> to watch blind people reach this particular dead end in their search for
>>> access advice without making my two cents available.
>>>
>>> As for the access issue itself, I agree with the person who suggested 
>>> asking
>>> very specific questions, though when you don't know what you're looking 
>>> for,
>>> it can sometimes be hard tot hink of which questions to ask. You might
>>> consider making a list of the things you'd think you should know about,
>>> size, color, movement patterns, etc, and show this to your professor. He 
>>> or
>>> she can likely let you know if you're missing some key piece of 
>>> information
>>> for your data.
>>>
>>> -Jamie
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You might not use it again, but everyone going onto grad school will
>>>> be so thankful that they learned it. Even if they don't use that same
>>>> program, they'll at least have statistical software experience, and
>>>> that is better than nothing when you have to analyze your own data for
>>>> a thesis, but I understand how this process has been frustrating for
>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>> And, even if someone is not majoring in the sciences but has an
>>>> interest in a class, then I don't think they should avoid it because
>>>> of blindness, but that goes into a whole other issue. I just thought I
>>>> would share a different opinion. I had a very positive experience with
>>>> biology.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy
>>>>
>>>> On 11/7/10, Ian Perrault <iperrault at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > I'm majoring in Public Administration, thank god not Biology! It's 
>>>> > just
>>>> an
>>>> > Introduction to Statistical Analysis course, just basic Statistics, 
>>>> > and
>>>> we
>>>> > need this stupid program. I don't know why, because I'll probably 
>>>> > never
>>>> use
>>>> > it again!
>>>> >
>>>> >
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>>>> --
>>>> Cindy Bennett
>>>> uNC Wilmington Psychology major
>>>>
>>>> clb5590 at gmail.com
>>>> 828.989.5383
>>>>
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>> --
>> ~Jewel
>> Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind!
>> Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com
>>
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