[nabs-l] When a loved one goes sighted

Sat Apr 23 03:49:28 UTC 2011

Mike,

Keeping in mind that you're asking someone who has been conditioned to 
believe that sight is inherently more convenient than non-sight, I'll 
admit to you that I had some difficulty in generating a list of 
conveniences associated with being blind. But for the fun of the 
exercise, here is a list I've generated thus far and encourage the rest 
of the list to come up with some others if so moved.

1. A blind person doesn't need windows. I think Jernigan pointed this 
one out somewhere in one of his speeches.
2. A blind person doesn't need light. You've pointed this one out.
3. A blind person isn't hampered by changes in light level, including 
brightness. Though this has already been half-stated in terms of the 
fact that light is not required for a blind person to function, it's 
seldom considered how much of a problem too much light can be for the sighted.
4. Social customs aside, it really doesn't matter to us what color 
things are. I thought this was brilliantly illustrated in Dr. Maurer's 
story about his gray pancakes.
5. You'd be surprised what contortions the sighted will put themselves 
into in order to use their sight. For example, one of my profs at Tech 
explained how he once tried to see into a dark and cramped space in 
order to fix something; this need required him to attempt to place his 
hands, a flashlight, and his head into this cramped space. He then 
realized that if he'd thought about doing the task non-visually, he 
would have only needed to put his hands into the space thus being much 
more comfortable.
6. Blind people don't need mirrors. I don't know about the rest of you, 
but I consider this a major convenience.

All of these are quite trivial and don't fundamentally change the way a 
blind person functions in the sighted world. But at the same time, the 
conveniences associated with sight don't fundamentally impact the way 
they function either. I think Jernigan pointed out that the ability to 
see someone down the street is a convenience, but not a major part to 
functioning. He pointed out instead that the real convenience of sight 
comes from the fact that life is structured for the sighted just as you 
did. Now that is a convenience, but so is learning to do things 
non-visually. Sure, a sighted person can learn to do these things, but 
they often don't because they think the way they do things visually is 
more efficient.

As to your other question about blindness, and identity, I think it is 
possible to think of blindness as just a characteristic and also think 
of it as a fundamental part of one's identity in the same way that 
black skin is a characteristic and is thought of as fundamental to 
one's identity. Does that make sense?

Original message:
> Jedi:

> How so?  What conveniences are inherently associated with being blind?  Yes,
> we can function in the dark but so can anyone else who does it for a while.
> Ask any marine who's had to field-strip, clean and put back together his/her
> weapon in thirty seconds in the dark!

> Also, this whole analysis has some logical flaws.  Some of us (including
> you) say that we wouldn't want to be sighted, either because being blind is
> who we are or because we presume we would have to make adjustments.  But
> Arielle's Magic Pill would, presumably, automagically make all those
> adjustments for us so the operative question would be:  "If you didn't have
> to do anything outside of sucking down a pill to become sighted with all its
> attributes and knowledge outside of learning some skills like reading and
> driving, would you take the pill?"  In that sense, my answer would be yes,
> if only because the world is structured for the sighted.

> And the only permanent thing is change and I contend that our identities are
> constantly changing and that if we truly believe in NFB philosophy, we
> wouldn't single blindness out as somehow inherently different from other
> characteristics.  Hence, to my way of thinking, as long as there were no
> great inconveniences other than learning a few skills to gaining sight, it
> would be rather dense of us not to take the chance.

> But it ain'ta a-gonna happen in my lifetime, especially as my brain has
> already been rewired.

> Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Jedi
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 1:01 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] When a loved one goes sighted

> Well, my gut reaction would be to say no only because becoming blind
> usually means that there's some kind of injury taking place or some
> kind of illness causing it. But to deconstruct that narrative, is
> injury required to become blind? If it were a magic pill, no. The
> scenario would be the same as the magic sight pill except that
> blindness is considered by society as a bad thing and sight a good
> thing; and I'm just as guilty of that perception because I'm a part of
> society. More than that, I'm prone to the notion that sight makes one
> fundamentally more functional than a blind person. It is true that our
> world is structured for people who can see and there are some
> conveniences associated with sight, but there are conveniences
> associated with being blind and there's nothing stopping us from
> rearranging our society to suit everyone regardless of personal
> characteristics except our lack of imagination and willingness to do
> so. To apply some further deconstruction here, injury may be required
> to restore sight to a blind person. So logically and with negative
> blindness attitudes put aside, giving someone blindness is the same as
> giving someone sight. In both cases, the individual will have to
> relearn the new system of being and will have to get used to the change
> in functioning and any perceived changes in identity.

> Respectfully,
> Jedi

> Original message:
>> Here's just another interesting idea to bounce around. If it is reasonable
>> to turn down the opportunity to see, even if it's a "magic pill" scenario
>> like in Arielle's research, do we feel it would be equally acceptable for
> a
>> sighted person to choose to make themselves blind, because, for what ever
>> reason, they feel they'd be happiest and most themselves as blind people?

>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net> wrote:

>>> For me, blindness is a part of who I am. it has shaped my life in a
> number
>>> of ways ranging from the friendships and relationships I've had to the
>>> career I've chosen. Though this may not be true for everyone, it's
> certainly
>>> true for me and I'd feel like I've lost an important part of who I am,
> and
>>> that loss would far outweigh any gain I receive through sight.

>>> What scares me the most about medicine and sightedness is the possibility
>>> that governments will require all of us to undergo such procedures rather
>>> than allowing us the ability to be blind in a sighted world. In other
> words,
>>> the government or the world at large would think it's much easier and
> more
>>> reasonable to cure us rather than make a world that's usable for everyone
>>> regardless of characteristics.

>>> Respectfully,
>>> Jedi

>>> Original message:

>>>  Jorge and Homberto,
>>>>  I feel the same way.  I'm very curious to see what sight is like, I
>>>> wonder about it sometimes.  I'd even go as far as saying I sometimes
>>>> would like to see...but if the option were available, the tedium of
>>>> relearning everything, not to mention the risk of the surgery for
>>>> something I don't really need, more than balance out any wish I have
>>>> to see.  But, should a blind friend choose differently and receive
>>>> sight, I would totally understand, respect and support that decision.
>>>> And it wouldn't change the friendship on my end, although it would
>>>> spark some interesting conversations.
>>>>  Just my thoughts,
>>>> Kirt

>>>  On 4/20/11, Jorge Paez <computertechjorgepaez at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> Hombertu,
>>>>> I agree.
>>>>> I personally wouldn't choose to be sighted for one simple reason.
>>>>> I've learned everything without sight.
>>>>> If I regained sight I'd have to relearn everything.
>>>>> Sure I had sight but lost it when I was so young I can't remember,
>>>>> so really I can say I've been blind all my life,
>>>>> and sight would just make it too difficult.

>>>  Jorge

>>>  On Apr 20, 2011, at 8:55 PM, humberto wrote:

>>>  First of all, If I was to become sighted, I would not do it. I myself
>>>>>> wouldn't want to become sighted because of 2 reasons:
>>>>>> 1.  since I am blind since birth, I will feel so weird being sighted;
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> like a sighted person  had been born with sight and feeling weird when
>>>>>> they become blind. The world would be so different and I cannot even
>>>>>> explain how different since I've never ever been sighted, and don't
> want
>>>>>> to be.
>>>>>> 2.  I am blind, I am the way I am and I still want to be blind since I
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> born blind. Blindness is just an ordinary thing for me. Even my mom
> has
>>>>>> gotten me to pray and get me to ask doctors if one day I will "see"
> but
>>>>>> that was when I was little, and looking back, I am so * GUILTY * that
> my
>>>>>> mom did this and told me that I will see soon in a quite convincing
> way
>>>>>> and now I think, and since coming to the United States and attending
> NFB
>>>>>> related camps and meetings such as the NFB youth Slam, I see my own
>>>>>> philosophy of blindness, which is that blindness is something ordinary
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> normal and nothing to be neglected or regretted about.
>>>>>> Just my 20 dollars for what it's worth, and, great question.

>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com
>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list

>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org

>>>>>>> Date sent: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 04:56:20 -0400
>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] When a loved one goes sighted

>>>  Hi, all.

>>>  I was thinking recently about all of those "what to do what a

>>>>>> loved one goes

>>>>>>> blind" articles and pamphlets I've seen, and how often I hear

>>>>>> people talk

>>>>>>> about the reactions of friends and family and their community

>>>>>> when they lost

>>>>>>> their vision. I think there have even been comments on this list

>>>>>> about

>>>>>>> sighted friends for some reason thinking they have to treat us

>>>>>> differently,

>>>>>>> or can't relate to us as well because we're blind.

>>>  My question is this. How do you think the blind would respond in

>>>>>> similar

>>>>>>> situations, say, if a friend among a netork of fellow blind

>>>>>> students

>>>>>>> suddenly went sighted? As medical technology advances rapidly, it

>>>>>> is

>>>>>>> becoming more and more possible to correct a number of causes of

>>>>>> both

>>>>>>> congenital and later onset blindness. I know there are different

>>>>>> opinions on

>>>>>>> matters like this in other disability groups, and the question

>>>>>> really got me

>>>>>>> thinking.

>>>  I'd love to hear peoples' thoughts!

>>>  -Jamie
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