[nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind AnnouncesAgreementwithTicketmaster

Chris Nusbaum dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
Thu Apr 28 21:07:49 UTC 2011


Yes, I understand that.  That's what I thought for a long time.  
But my TVI has always said that "the more tools you have in your 
toolbox, the better." You can do a lot of things on your Mac, but 
some things are just better on a notetaker.  That's why I have 
both.

Chris Nusbaum

"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto)

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I would say that eventually, notetakers will only be useful for 
those who want both Braille output and input.  I love reading in 
Braille, but when working on a computer I simply don't need it.  
I'm writing from a Macbook air which takes 10 seconds to boot and 
is completely accessible.  Why do I need a notetaker which costs 
at least two or three times more? I can use this computer to do 
many things which a notetaker cannot do at all, and it just 
works!
Oh, and I think there is a translation software for Mac, although 
I can't remember its name.  If you really need it I can try to 
find it for you...

IC
On Apr 27, 2011, at 10:37 PM, Nicole B.  Torcolini at Home wrote:

 Unless accessibility becomes a little more integrated into 
mainstream technology without errors and Braille displays become 
a little more compatible and mainstream technology does not take 
five minutes to start up, I think that the notetakers will always 
have a niche.  Also, mainstream technology does not have support 
for Braille without added software.  Just out of curiosity, are 
there any translation programs for Mac's?

 Nicole

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 Mike:
 Completely agree.

 And, on the question of note takers having better processors

 if its true that that thhinking is spreading wide--that is, the 
thought that notetakers are becoming obsolete, and since we all 
know that FS and other companies are 100% for profit, then I 
don't blame them,
 and they aren't gonna be ready to do much more unless they see 
some real market demand.

 I'm not saying there isn't demand--just that I can understand 
their stance looking at it from a business point of view.


 On Apr 27, 2011, at 10:03 PM, Mike Freeman wrote:

 Hi, chris.

 I'm going to express a view that is rather unpopular among 
students and some
 other techies.  I feel that if we expect the public to treat us 
with respect
 and not discriminate against us, we must have a philosophy that 
is
 internally consistent so that both we and society at large know 
what we
 expect of society and of ourselves.  With that in mind, here is 
my view.

 I start with the observation that note-takers are, in essence, 
PDAs.  Yes,
 they can get rather expensive, especially when they have a 
braille display.
 But they are PDAs nevertheless.  Sighted persons also use smart 
devices --
 PDAs,smart phones and the like -- albeit these devices are 
usually far less
 expensive than are our note-takers.  Some websites have a mobile 
version;
 others do not.  Hence, the sighted cannot view every website 
using their
 smart phones or PDAs and must use a PC or Mac to view some 
websites.  Why
 should we, the blind, expect to be treated differently?  Some 
might say that
 our impecuniousness, that is, our lack of income making it 
difficult to
 afford both a note-taker and a laptop or PC/Mac should be 
sufficient reason
 to justify a request for differential/special treatment.  I 
don't buy it.
 There are plenty of sighted folks who cannot or choose not to 
own both a
 personal computer and a smart phone or PDA due to lack of means.  
In my
 view, to demand that all websites be accessible by note-takers 
amounts to a
 request for special treatment and we should think *very* 
carefully before we
 ask for such differential treatment.

 On the other hand, I think it *might* be defensible to request 
that
 government websites, at least, have a text-only version 
accessible by both
 fancy computers and mobile devices such as note-takers, PDAs and 
smart
 phones.  The problem there is that often this means two websites 
must be
 maintained and this inevitably leads to the sites getting out of 
sync.  So
 many of us have resisted this solution to the problem of web 
accessibility.

 I know it's human nature to want to have our cake and eat it, 
too.  But one
 of the strengths of NFB philosophy is that we realize that this 
is
 impossible.

 This is, of course, entirely separate from the question as to 
whether
 note-takers should have more powerful processors.  But that's 
between the
 blind and the note-taker manufacturers.  And one can't blame 
these
 manufacturers for not going that route when at least some folks 
maintain
 that note-takers will soon be obsolete.  I'm not sure this is 
the case but
 it's something to think about.

 Mike Freeman


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 Hi, all.

 I just want to make a few comments.  I'm always very glad to 
know that NFB
 has reached an agreement with a private company to make that 
company's Web
 site accessible.  My only comment is that in all these press 
releases, I've
 noticed that it has only talked about making sites accessible to 
screen
 reading software, and that's great! Screen readers are the most 
popular form
 of Internet access for the blind, if I'm not mistaken.  But I 
don't want NFB
 to overlook the fact that they also need to be accessible to 
people using
 electronic notetakers for their Internet access as well as those 
using
 screen readers.  I have both available, so if a site isn't 
accessible to the
 BrailleNote, I'll try JAWS.  But a friend of mine only uses his 
Braille-Note
 for Internet access both at school and at home, and hasn't 
gotten a laptop
 yet.  What about people like him? Also, it never ceases to amaze 
me that the
 NFB has to go so far as a lawsuit to get companies to make their 
Web sites
 accessible.  It sounds to me like the CEO of Live Nation, in 
that case, was
 totally cooperative with the NFB and would be glad to make their 
site
 accessible.  But if the CEO was that cooperative, they wouldn't 
have to take
 Live Nation to court.  The same with the law school admission 
site that we
 were told about yesterday.  What do you think of all this?

 Chris Nusbaum

 "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities 
motto)

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 Date sent: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 19:20:44 -0500
 Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Announces 
Agreement
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 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE



 CONTACT:

 Chris
 Danielsen
 Linda Bandov Pazin

 Director of Public
 Relations
 Live Nation Entertainment

 National Federation of the
 Blind                                                   (310)
 867-7000

 (410) 659-9314, extension
 2330
 <mailto:lindabandov at livenation.com>lindabandov at livenation.com

 (410) 262-1281 (Cell)

 <mailto:cdanielsen at nfb.org>cdanielsen at nfb.org





 National Federation of the Blind
 Announces Agreement with Ticketmaster





 Ticketmaster Makes Website Fully Accessible and Fan-Friendly to 
Blind Users



 Baltimore, Maryland (April 26, 2011): The National Federation of
 the
 Blind (NFB), the nation's leading advocate for Internet access 
by
 blind Americans, today announced a cooperative agreement with
 Ticketmaster, the global event ticketing leader and one of the
 world's top five eCommerce sites, to make its website fully
 accessible to the blind.  Under the agreement, Ticketmaster will
 make
 its website (<http://www.ticketmaster.com/>www.ticketmaster.com)
 fully accessible to blind users utilizing screen access
 technology by
 December 31, 2011.  Screen access technology converts what is on
 the
 computer screen into synthesized speech or Braille.



 Dr.  Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the
 Blind,
 said: "An increasing number of goods and services are now 
offered
 primarily over the Internet and Ticketmaster's extremely popular
 ticket sales website is a prime example of this trend.
 Ticketmaster
 customers gain many of the company's valuable benefits and
 services,
 including access to special pre-sales and promotions, through 
its
 website.  The National Federation of the Blind is pleased that
 Ticketmaster has recognized the importance of providing equal
 access
 to its website for its blind customers, and we look forward to
 working with the company to achieve that goal.  The National
 Federation of the Blind will continue to work tirelessly until
 the
 blind have equal access to the full range of products and
 services
 available to the public through the Internet and other
 information
 technologies."



 "For Ticketmaster, the future is all about the fans.  We want to
 participate wherever and however so that fans can have the best
 possible fan-friendly experience," said Nathan Hubbard, CEO of
 Ticketmaster.  "Partnering with the National Federation of the
 Blind
 is enabling us to address the needs of our blind fans, so that
 they
 can have the same positive experience when purchasing tickets 
for
 their favorite artists' performance or any live event.  We are
 committed to working with NFB to enhance the Ticketmaster 
website
 so
 that it's accessible and usable by all of our fans out there."



 Pursuant to the agreement, Ticketmaster will develop a
 comprehensive
 accessibility program that will include the development of an
 accessibility guidelines manual, as well as the appointment of
 both
 an accessibility coordinator and an accessibility committee.



 Additionally, Ticketmaster will continue to work with officials
 of
 the National Federation of the Blind to ensure that the
 Ticketmaster
 services remain accessible to the blind.  Ticketmaster will
 submit
 its website to the NFB Nonvisual Accessibility (NFB-NVA) Web
 Certification program, a rigorous procedure by which websites 
and
 applications that have made efforts to be accessible to the 
blind
 can
 be identified and recognized.  The NFB-NVA Web Certification
 program
 continuously monitors participating sites to ensure that they
 remain
 compliant with certification criteria.  If a site remains
 accessible,
 its certification is renewed on an annual or a version basis.  
If
 accessibility issues arise, the National Federation of the Blind
 will
 work with the site developers to remedy them.





 ###




 About the National Federation of the Blind

 With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the
 Blind
 is the largest and most influential membership organization of
 blind
 people in the United States.  The NFB improves blind people's
 lives
 through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs
 encouraging independence and self-confidence.  It is the leading
 force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's
 blind.  In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation 
of
 the
 Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center
 in
 the United States for the blind led by the blind.



 About Live Nation Entertainment

 Live Nation Entertainment is the world's leading live
 entertainment
 and eCommerce company, comprised of four market leaders:
 <http://www.ticketmaster.com/>Ticketmaster.com, Live Nation
 Concerts,
 Front Line Management Group and Live Nation
 Network.  <http://www.ticketmaster.com/>Ticketmaster.com is the
 global event ticketing leader and one of the world's top five
 eCommerce sites, with over 26 million monthly unique visitors.
 Live
 Nation Concerts produces over 20,000 shows annually for more 
than
 2,000 artists globally.  Front Line is the world's top artist
 management company, representing over 250 artists.  These
 businesses
 power Live Nation Network, the leading provider of entertainment
 marketing solutions, enabling over 800 advertisers to tap into
 the
 200 million consumers Live Nation delivers annually through its
 live
 event and digital platforms.  For additional information, visit
 
<http://www.livenation.com/investors>www.livenation.com/investors

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