From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 00:36:03 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 18:36:03 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler In-Reply-To: References: <4e35c9d1.0123440a.2b7d.4f15@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Brianna and all, Warning-This will be a rather cynical post, and I apologize in advance for the cynicism. However, I feel it beneficial to discuss what I have observed of the VR system, as well as offer some practical advice for getting around the issues you are having and others you may come across as you continue through college. I have been out of high school for eight years now, and was a VR client myself for three of those years. I have also heard countless stories similar to yours, and often worse, from my time as president of Arizona's student division and an officer of NABS. Unfortunately, I have concluded that the voc rehab system is highly flawed, and cannot be depended upon for much, especially your college education. I have heard about students waiting for months or years to get technology ordered or to get the necessary paperwork to go to training centers-even procedures that are relatively routine take way too long. I have also heard about counselors who fail to communicate with clients or return their calls or emails, or who try to give inappropriate directives about what careers clients should or shouldn't pursue. Now granted, there are definitely some good, competent, dedicated counselors and VR staff out there who completely respect blind people and actively support their pursuits, but I'm afraid that's not the norm. The VR system has many problems, not the least of which being its perpetual lack of funding. As a result, VR offices tend to be short-staffed and counselors are overwhelmed with too many clients, unable to give each client the time and attention their case deserves. Furthermore, I believe the standards for hiring VR counselors are pretty low, and I've definitely encountered more than one counselor who just isn't competent enough to get things done efficiently and well. It's an important system with lofty objectives of helping blind people get college degrees and jobs, but it's a broken one. So yes, you should definitely keep nagging your counselor, and their supervisor, and the director of the VR agency, until you get your equipment and your case transferred. But in the meantime, it's vitally important to have backups in place that don't rely on VR at all, so that you can start college on the right foot, and your life doesn't have to depend upon waiting for the flawed VR system to figure out how to handle your case. I'll give some suggestions for backups you might want to start using while you're waiting, for the three things you mentioned: technology, money for school, and O&M instruction. For technology: I'd suggest finding out if your parents or another family member could help you pay for a basic portable computer, like a Netbook ($500 or less) or a Macbook (perhaps; I don't know how much Macbooks cost, but if you get one, you won't need to worry about screenreading software). You really don't need a fancy laptop or desktop for schoolwork, and while many people find Braille displays and notetakers helpful, I think you can get by without it until VR comes through. And here's a little secret: You can get a demo version of JAWS for free, and unless they've changed something in the past few years, demo JAWS is exactly the same as the full version except that you have to restart your computer frequently. It's certainly a nuisance to keep restarting, but it's a decent workaround if you don't have the funds to shell out for a full-version screenreader. So then, all you have to buy is a basic computer, which is comparable to what virtually all sighted college freshmen get. If your DSS office or library provides public scanners, you may not need to buy one, but if you do, you can get a mainstream multifunction printer that comes with basic OCR software. Second, paying for school: The best solution would be a Pell grant. Are you a resident in the state where you'll be going to school? If so, you should be eligible. If not, there are other forms of federal student aid that you can apply for, if you haven't already. Finally, O&M is something you can work around at least temporarily. If you contact the DSS office at your school, they might be able to provide at least a general orientation to the buildings you will be going to for classes and an overview of the campus layout. You don't need to learn the whole campus. If DSS doesn't provide that service, you could ask the resident assistant (RA) in your dorm if they can hook you up with a student ambassador or someone else who can show you where those buildings are. Most O&M instructors will do just that, and not much more than what you can get from any old student who knows their way around. If what you want is more skill training (like learning how to use public transit, cross streets etc.) that's important too, but it can wait a few weeks until your case gets set. I hope this is helpful. The bottom line is that you are in charge of your education, and there are many resources you can use to accomplish your goals in school and beyond. Some of those resources are blindness-specific; others are the same resources available to all college students. VR is just one of many resources at your disposal. They can offer lots of good stuff, but on the downside, they aren't always dependable. The more alternative resources you can line up, the better. I personally didn't open a VR case at all until I was a senior in college and wanted to go to LCB after graduation. After LCB, I let my case close and didn't reopen when I moved to Colorado for grad school. I actually liked not being a VR client, and found it rather freeing. I could take whatever classes I felt like taking or switch my major or vocational goal every month if I wanted to, without ever having to justify anything to anyone. Granted, I had a merit scholarship and my parents were able to assist me with technology, and I recognize those circumstances don't happen to everyone. Many of us can benefit greatly from VR, when they have their act together. When they don't, you might have to be a little creative to find alternative resources, but they're out there. Best of luck, Arielle On 7/31/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Hi Beth, > I just reread your message and you said CO DVR; I missed that when hearing > with jaws somehow; probably since its one syllable. > > Yes you should have a case in CO where you reside. > I'd say if they move too slow, talk to a supervisor of the office. Also > document your communication. > I think there should be a VR manual of rights and responsibilities for each > state. Read it and find out their procedures for opening cases; it should > outline the appropriate time line. > Good luck. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:31 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler > > I'm waiting on Medicaid, but have to use my dad's insurance, and > a very high copay. That's whuat I'm worried about. I'll > probably spend a lot on a prescription drug this week so that I > can flush the infection out. I need to be all cured by next week > or the first week of classes. I also need to figure out how to > get my Pell Grant. I'm just opening the case here in CO because > Florida is no longer my state of residence. Doesn't make sense > to have a case in Florida. Thanks for the well wishes, Ashley. > Thanks a bunch. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:31:10 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler > > Beth, > Hope you get well! Do you have medicade? > I'm confused. Do you live in Denver and want to go to school > there? It > sounds like your VR case is in florida though. So are you saying > Florida VR > is paying for your out of state tuition in Co? Good luck with > your plans. > Oh and going out of state to any center is tough. If your state > has an in > state center, they want that one, even if you select another > better run > traditional center. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 2:57 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler > > Hey, Brianna. I had problems with DBS not sending me to CCB till > I screamed at them and made them do it. I was the squeaky wheel > that got the grease, pretty much. I'm having a problem with CO > DVR acting slow, and I just came down with something serious and > have to go to the doctor. My boyffriend says he'll meet me at > the bus stop and we'll go together. It'll be nice because then I > can goo to a doctor. But I need a checkup because I think I have > a serious infection. Worst off, I might not go to school till > January becausee I have no money to pay for books and school. > DVR just thought of assigning me a counselor, but I don't know > where they are, and I moved from one place to another. It's kind > of weird because I sort of know the Denver area, but I don't > travel too often. So I'm in your shoes, but worse. My transfer > to the office in Tallahassee from the office in Brevard County > was quick, but there's a problem. I don't know if Florida will > allow me to go to school here in CO. So anyone give us both tips > and advice? Anybody got any tips? Thanks. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brianna Scerenscko To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 14:39:21 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler > > Hello NABS Members, > > My name is Brianna. > I will be starting my first semester at Flagler in 3 weeks. > I submitted justifications for technology to my Division Of Blind > Services office back in April. Just the other day I get an e > mail > from my counciler saying that I have been apruved for technology > and > funding of my Learning Ally membership. > I thought I had already been apruved and the technology had > already > been ordered. > My counciler can't transfer my case to the office in Jacksonville > until all my technology has been received and she can't tell me > when > that will be. I need to meet with the office in Jacksonville > soon to > meet my counciler and O&M instructore, and also find out if DBS > will > still cover some of the cost of going to college and also for > them to > find me a reader. > DBS can't tell me when my case will be transfered either. > What should I do? School starts in 3 weeks. > > Thank You > > Brianna > > On 7/31/11, Aubrie Lucas wrote: > Exactly what I was going to suggest. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Kirt Manwaring > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:20 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] warning I'm getting on Facebook > > Haha, nothing to worry about. Hit the refresh button (f5) and > you'll be > fine. > > On 7/31/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm getting this warning message when I hit the go back command > on Facebook Mobile. I've pasted it below. What does this mean? > Thanks! Here's the message: > > Warning: Page has Expired > The page you requested was created using information you > submitted in a form. This page is no longer available. As a > security precaution, Internet Explorer does not automatically > resubmit your information for you. > To resubmit your information and view this Web page, click the > Refresh button. > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities > motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.craz > ydude%40gma > il.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bfs1206%4 > 0gmail.com > > > > -- > Brianna Scerenscko > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > sloose%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma > hb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > sloose%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 00:48:12 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 20:48:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Skype and JAWS Message-ID: <4e35f7f2.0c89e50a.1be7.72bc@mx.google.com> Hi Amy, Humberto Avila sent me an email with the Web site for the scripts. Here's the site: www.dlee.org/skype. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Sabo References: <4e35c9d1.0123440a.2b7d.4f15@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <105E07BE15564FFD8D914086753E1711@OwnerPC> Arielle, Amen, amen! VR is broken. My VR counselor is one who fails to communicate promptly, will not return phone calls, and did not get my equipment on time either. Fortunately, as a middle class person my parents chipped in with lots of technology funding and school funding but they cannot do it all. A 6 k notetaker, for instance, is too much. I have tried not to rely on VR much. If I want a certain job, I pursue it regardless of what my vr counselor thinks. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:36 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler Hi Brianna and all, Warning-This will be a rather cynical post, and I apologize in advance for the cynicism. However, I feel it beneficial to discuss what I have observed of the VR system, as well as offer some practical advice for getting around the issues you are having and others you may come across as you continue through college. I have been out of high school for eight years now, and was a VR client myself for three of those years. I have also heard countless stories similar to yours, and often worse, from my time as president of Arizona's student division and an officer of NABS. Unfortunately, I have concluded that the voc rehab system is highly flawed, and cannot be depended upon for much, especially your college education. I have heard about students waiting for months or years to get technology ordered or to get the necessary paperwork to go to training centers-even procedures that are relatively routine take way too long. I have also heard about counselors who fail to communicate with clients or return their calls or emails, or who try to give inappropriate directives about what careers clients should or shouldn't pursue. Now granted, there are definitely some good, competent, dedicated counselors and VR staff out there who completely respect blind people and actively support their pursuits, but I'm afraid that's not the norm. The VR system has many problems, not the least of which being its perpetual lack of funding. As a result, VR offices tend to be short-staffed and counselors are overwhelmed with too many clients, unable to give each client the time and attention their case deserves. Furthermore, I believe the standards for hiring VR counselors are pretty low, and I've definitely encountered more than one counselor who just isn't competent enough to get things done efficiently and well. It's an important system with lofty objectives of helping blind people get college degrees and jobs, but it's a broken one. So yes, you should definitely keep nagging your counselor, and their supervisor, and the director of the VR agency, until you get your equipment and your case transferred. But in the meantime, it's vitally important to have backups in place that don't rely on VR at all, so that you can start college on the right foot, and your life doesn't have to depend upon waiting for the flawed VR system to figure out how to handle your case. I'll give some suggestions for backups you might want to start using while you're waiting, for the three things you mentioned: technology, money for school, and O&M instruction. For technology: I'd suggest finding out if your parents or another family member could help you pay for a basic portable computer, like a Netbook ($500 or less) or a Macbook (perhaps; I don't know how much Macbooks cost, but if you get one, you won't need to worry about screenreading software). You really don't need a fancy laptop or desktop for schoolwork, and while many people find Braille displays and notetakers helpful, I think you can get by without it until VR comes through. And here's a little secret: You can get a demo version of JAWS for free, and unless they've changed something in the past few years, demo JAWS is exactly the same as the full version except that you have to restart your computer frequently. It's certainly a nuisance to keep restarting, but it's a decent workaround if you don't have the funds to shell out for a full-version screenreader. So then, all you have to buy is a basic computer, which is comparable to what virtually all sighted college freshmen get. If your DSS office or library provides public scanners, you may not need to buy one, but if you do, you can get a mainstream multifunction printer that comes with basic OCR software. Second, paying for school: The best solution would be a Pell grant. Are you a resident in the state where you'll be going to school? If so, you should be eligible. If not, there are other forms of federal student aid that you can apply for, if you haven't already. Finally, O&M is something you can work around at least temporarily. If you contact the DSS office at your school, they might be able to provide at least a general orientation to the buildings you will be going to for classes and an overview of the campus layout. You don't need to learn the whole campus. If DSS doesn't provide that service, you could ask the resident assistant (RA) in your dorm if they can hook you up with a student ambassador or someone else who can show you where those buildings are. Most O&M instructors will do just that, and not much more than what you can get from any old student who knows their way around. If what you want is more skill training (like learning how to use public transit, cross streets etc.) that's important too, but it can wait a few weeks until your case gets set. I hope this is helpful. The bottom line is that you are in charge of your education, and there are many resources you can use to accomplish your goals in school and beyond. Some of those resources are blindness-specific; others are the same resources available to all college students. VR is just one of many resources at your disposal. They can offer lots of good stuff, but on the downside, they aren't always dependable. The more alternative resources you can line up, the better. I personally didn't open a VR case at all until I was a senior in college and wanted to go to LCB after graduation. After LCB, I let my case close and didn't reopen when I moved to Colorado for grad school. I actually liked not being a VR client, and found it rather freeing. I could take whatever classes I felt like taking or switch my major or vocational goal every month if I wanted to, without ever having to justify anything to anyone. Granted, I had a merit scholarship and my parents were able to assist me with technology, and I recognize those circumstances don't happen to everyone. Many of us can benefit greatly from VR, when they have their act together. When they don't, you might have to be a little creative to find alternative resources, but they're out there. Best of luck, Arielle On 7/31/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Hi Beth, > I just reread your message and you said CO DVR; I missed that when hearing > with jaws somehow; probably since its one syllable. > > Yes you should have a case in CO where you reside. > I'd say if they move too slow, talk to a supervisor of the office. Also > document your communication. > I think there should be a VR manual of rights and responsibilities for > each > state. Read it and find out their procedures for opening cases; it should > outline the appropriate time line. > Good luck. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:31 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler > > I'm waiting on Medicaid, but have to use my dad's insurance, and > a very high copay. That's whuat I'm worried about. I'll > probably spend a lot on a prescription drug this week so that I > can flush the infection out. I need to be all cured by next week > or the first week of classes. I also need to figure out how to > get my Pell Grant. I'm just opening the case here in CO because > Florida is no longer my state of residence. Doesn't make sense > to have a case in Florida. Thanks for the well wishes, Ashley. > Thanks a bunch. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:31:10 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler > > Beth, > Hope you get well! Do you have medicade? > I'm confused. Do you live in Denver and want to go to school > there? It > sounds like your VR case is in florida though. So are you saying > Florida VR > is paying for your out of state tuition in Co? Good luck with > your plans. > Oh and going out of state to any center is tough. If your state > has an in > state center, they want that one, even if you select another > better run > traditional center. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 2:57 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler > > Hey, Brianna. I had problems with DBS not sending me to CCB till > I screamed at them and made them do it. I was the squeaky wheel > that got the grease, pretty much. I'm having a problem with CO > DVR acting slow, and I just came down with something serious and > have to go to the doctor. My boyffriend says he'll meet me at > the bus stop and we'll go together. It'll be nice because then I > can goo to a doctor. But I need a checkup because I think I have > a serious infection. Worst off, I might not go to school till > January becausee I have no money to pay for books and school. > DVR just thought of assigning me a counselor, but I don't know > where they are, and I moved from one place to another. It's kind > of weird because I sort of know the Denver area, but I don't > travel too often. So I'm in your shoes, but worse. My transfer > to the office in Tallahassee from the office in Brevard County > was quick, but there's a problem. I don't know if Florida will > allow me to go to school here in CO. So anyone give us both tips > and advice? Anybody got any tips? Thanks. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brianna Scerenscko To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 14:39:21 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler > > Hello NABS Members, > > My name is Brianna. > I will be starting my first semester at Flagler in 3 weeks. > I submitted justifications for technology to my Division Of Blind > Services office back in April. Just the other day I get an e > mail > from my counciler saying that I have been apruved for technology > and > funding of my Learning Ally membership. > I thought I had already been apruved and the technology had > already > been ordered. > My counciler can't transfer my case to the office in Jacksonville > until all my technology has been received and she can't tell me > when > that will be. I need to meet with the office in Jacksonville > soon to > meet my counciler and O&M instructore, and also find out if DBS > will > still cover some of the cost of going to college and also for > them to > find me a reader. > DBS can't tell me when my case will be transfered either. > What should I do? School starts in 3 weeks. > > Thank You > > Brianna > > On 7/31/11, Aubrie Lucas wrote: > Exactly what I was going to suggest. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Kirt Manwaring > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:20 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] warning I'm getting on Facebook > > Haha, nothing to worry about. Hit the refresh button (f5) and > you'll be > fine. > > On 7/31/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm getting this warning message when I hit the go back command > on Facebook Mobile. I've pasted it below. What does this mean? > Thanks! Here's the message: > > Warning: Page has Expired > The page you requested was created using information you > submitted in a form. This page is no longer available. As a > security precaution, Internet Explorer does not automatically > resubmit your information for you. > To resubmit your information and view this Web page, click the > Refresh button. > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities > motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.craz > ydude%40gma > il.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bfs1206%4 > 0gmail.com > > > > -- > Brianna Scerenscko > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > sloose%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma > hb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > sloose%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 01:11:17 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 19:11:17 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler Message-ID: <4e35fd38.a71d440a.1d75.56ac@mx.google.com> WHich reminds me, Ashley, I reigned a job I had via the CCB because they were making ll the decisions abo9ut where I'd work and the commute. I'd had to commute from Englewood all the way to Boulder! Uh-uh. I'm not going anywhere near there. Anyway, that's speaking of VR counselors who try to mke you do a certain job. Sorry, but I need to get my degree and get my job. The regular way, that is. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: wrote: Hi Beth, I just reread your message and you said CO DVR; I missed that when hearing with jaws somehow; probably since its one syllable. Yes you should have a case in CO where you reside. I'd say if they move too slow, talk to a supervisor of the office. Also document your communication. I think there should be a VR manual of rights and responsibilities for each state. Read it and find out their procedures for opening cases; it should outline the appropriate time line. Good luck. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Beth Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:31 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler I'm waiting on Medicaid, but have to use my dad's insurance, and a very high copay. That's whuat I'm worried about. I'll probably spend a lot on a prescription drug this week so that I can flush the infection out. I need to be all cured by next week or the first week of classes. I also need to figure out how to get my Pell Grant. I'm just opening the case here in CO because Florida is no longer my state of residence. Doesn't make sense to have a case in Florida. Thanks for the well wishes, Ashley. Thanks a bunch. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: wrote: Exactly what I was going to suggest. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt Manwaring Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:20 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] warning I'm getting on Facebook Haha, nothing to worry about. Hit the refresh button (f5) and you'll be fine. On 7/31/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Hi everyone, I'm getting this warning message when I hit the go back command on Facebook Mobile. I've pasted it below. What does this mean? Thanks! Here's the message: Warning: Page has Expired The page you requested was created using information you submitted in a form. This page is no longer available. As a security precaution, Internet Explorer does not automatically resubmit your information for you. To resubmit your information and view this Web page, click the Refresh button. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.craz ydude%40gma il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn %40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bfs1206%4 0gmail.com -- Brianna Scerenscko _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi sloose%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma hb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi sloose%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma hb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma hb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi sloose%40gmail.com From bfs1206 at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 01:29:21 2011 From: bfs1206 at gmail.com (Brianna Scerenscko) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 21:29:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler In-Reply-To: <4e35fd38.a71d440a.1d75.56ac@mx.google.com> References: <4e35fd38.a71d440a.1d75.56ac@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thank you everyone. My counselor doesn't return any of my e mails or phone calls. My college is providing O&M instruction around the school but not around the town; but I guess if I ever needed to go to the store or something I could try and figure out the root myself, get directions, or have a friend go with me. Since I don't know when my technology is coming in, I'm doing research on different laptops; I can't afourd a note taker but I can live without it for a little while. I just would need a computer (I already have a version of Jaws that I can use), if I could get my hands on Curswhile and a scanner I'd be good for a little while. Thankfully I already have my first year of college paid for. I'm thinking about just finding someone who would want to be a reader and higher and pay them myself. Thanks again. On 7/31/11, Beth wrote: > WHich reminds me, Ashley, > I reigned a job I had via the CCB because they were making > ll the decisions abo9ut where I'd work and the commute. I'd > had to commute from Englewood all the way to Boulder! > Uh-uh. I'm not going anywhere near there. Anyway, that's > speaking of VR counselors who try to mke you do a certain > job. Sorry, but I need to get my degree and get my job. > The regular way, that is. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 21:01:02 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler > > Arielle, > Amen, amen! VR is broken. My VR counselor is one who fails to > communicate > promptly, will not return phone calls, and did not get my > equipment on time > either. > Fortunately, as a middle class person my parents chipped in with > lots of > technology funding and school funding but they cannot do it all. > A 6 k > notetaker, for instance, is too much. > I have tried not to rely on VR much. If I want a certain job, I > pursue it > regardless of what my vr counselor thinks. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:36 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler > > Hi Brianna and all, > Warning-This will be a rather cynical post, and I apologize in > advance > for the cynicism. However, I feel it beneficial to discuss what I > have > observed of the VR system, as well as offer some practical advice > for > getting around the issues you are having and others you may come > across as you continue through college. > I have been out of high school for eight years now, and was a VR > client myself for three of those years. I have also heard > countless > stories similar to yours, and often worse, from my time as > president > of Arizona's student division and an officer of NABS. > Unfortunately, I > have concluded that the voc rehab system is highly flawed, and > cannot > be depended upon for much, especially your college education. I > have > heard about students waiting for months or years to get > technology > ordered or to get the necessary paperwork to go to training > centers-even procedures that are relatively routine take way too > long. > I have also heard about counselors who fail to communicate with > clients or return their calls or emails, or who try to give > inappropriate directives about what careers clients should or > shouldn't pursue. Now granted, there are definitely some good, > competent, dedicated counselors and VR staff out there who > completely > respect blind people and actively support their pursuits, but I'm > afraid that's not the norm. The VR system has many problems, not > the > least of which being its perpetual lack of funding. As a result, > VR > offices tend to be short-staffed and counselors are overwhelmed > with > too many clients, unable to give each client the time and > attention > their case deserves. Furthermore, I believe the standards for > hiring > VR counselors are pretty low, and I've definitely encountered > more > than one counselor who just isn't competent enough to get things > done > efficiently and well. It's an important system with lofty > objectives > of helping blind people get college degrees and jobs, but it's a > broken one. > So yes, you should definitely keep nagging your counselor, and > their > supervisor, and the director of the VR agency, until you get your > equipment and your case transferred. But in the meantime, it's > vitally > important to have backups in place that don't rely on VR at all, > so > that you can start college on the right foot, and your life > doesn't > have to depend upon waiting for the flawed VR system to figure > out how > to handle your case. I'll give some suggestions for backups you > might > want to start using while you're waiting, for the three things > you > mentioned: technology, money for school, and O&M instruction. > For technology: I'd suggest finding out if your parents or > another > family member could help you pay for a basic portable computer, > like a > Netbook ($500 or less) or a Macbook (perhaps; I don't know how > much > Macbooks cost, but if you get one, you won't need to worry about > screenreading software). You really don't need a fancy laptop or > desktop for schoolwork, and while many people find Braille > displays > and notetakers helpful, I think you can get by without it until > VR > comes through. And here's a little secret: You can get a demo > version > of JAWS for free, and unless they've changed something in the > past few > years, demo JAWS is exactly the same as the full version except > that > you have to restart your computer frequently. It's certainly a > nuisance to keep restarting, but it's a decent workaround if you > don't > have the funds to shell out for a full-version screenreader. So > then, > all you have to buy is a basic computer, which is comparable to > what > virtually all sighted college freshmen get. If your DSS office or > library provides public scanners, you may not need to buy one, > but if > you do, you can get a mainstream multifunction printer that comes > with > basic OCR software. > Second, paying for school: The best solution would be a Pell > grant. > Are you a resident in the state where you'll be going to school? > If > so, you should be eligible. If not, there are other forms of > federal > student aid that you can apply for, if you haven't already. > Finally, O&M is something you can work around at least > temporarily. If > you contact the DSS office at your school, they might be able to > provide at least a general orientation to the buildings you will > be > going to for classes and an overview of the campus layout. You > don't > need to learn the whole campus. If DSS doesn't provide that > service, > you could ask the resident assistant (RA) in your dorm if they > can > hook you up with a student ambassador or someone else who can > show you > where those buildings are. Most O&M instructors will do just > that, and > not much more than what you can get from any old student who > knows > their way around. If what you want is more skill training (like > learning how to use public transit, cross streets etc.) that's > important too, but it can wait a few weeks until your case gets > set. > I hope this is helpful. The bottom line is that you are in charge > of > your education, and there are many resources you can use to > accomplish > your goals in school and beyond. Some of those resources are > blindness-specific; others are the same resources available to > all > college students. VR is just one of many resources at your > disposal. > They can offer lots of good stuff, but on the downside, they > aren't > always dependable. The more alternative resources you can line > up, the > better. I personally didn't open a VR case at all until I was a > senior > in college and wanted to go to LCB after graduation. After LCB, I > let > my case close and didn't reopen when I moved to Colorado for grad > school. I actually liked not being a VR client, and found it > rather > freeing. I could take whatever classes I felt like taking or > switch my > major or vocational goal every month if I wanted to, without ever > having to justify anything to anyone. Granted, I had a merit > scholarship and my parents were able to assist me with > technology, and > I recognize those circumstances don't happen to everyone. Many of > us > can benefit greatly from VR, when they have their act together. > When > they don't, you might have to be a little creative to find > alternative > resources, but they're out there. > > Best of luck, > Arielle > > On 7/31/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net > wrote: > Hi Beth, > I just reread your message and you said CO DVR; I missed that > when hearing > with jaws somehow; probably since its one syllable. > > Yes you should have a case in CO where you reside. > I'd say if they move too slow, talk to a supervisor of the > office. Also > document your communication. > I think there should be a VR manual of rights and > responsibilities for > each > state. Read it and find out their procedures for opening cases; > it should > outline the appropriate time line. > Good luck. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:31 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler > > I'm waiting on Medicaid, but have to use my dad's insurance, and > a very high copay. That's whuat I'm worried about. I'll > probably spend a lot on a prescription drug this week so that I > can flush the infection out. I need to be all cured by next > week > or the first week of classes. I also need to figure out how to > get my Pell Grant. I'm just opening the case here in CO because > Florida is no longer my state of residence. Doesn't make sense > to have a case in Florida. Thanks for the well wishes, Ashley. > Thanks a bunch. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:31:10 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler > > Beth, > Hope you get well! Do you have medicade? > I'm confused. Do you live in Denver and want to go to school > there? It > sounds like your VR case is in florida though. So are you saying > Florida VR > is paying for your out of state tuition in Co? Good luck with > your plans. > Oh and going out of state to any center is tough. If your state > has an in > state center, they want that one, even if you select another > better run > traditional center. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 2:57 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler > > Hey, Brianna. I had problems with DBS not sending me to CCB > till > I screamed at them and made them do it. I was the squeaky wheel > that got the grease, pretty much. I'm having a problem with CO > DVR acting slow, and I just came down with something serious and > have to go to the doctor. My boyffriend says he'll meet me at > the bus stop and we'll go together. It'll be nice because then > I > can goo to a doctor. But I need a checkup because I think I > have > a serious infection. Worst off, I might not go to school till > January becausee I have no money to pay for books and school. > DVR just thought of assigning me a counselor, but I don't know > where they are, and I moved from one place to another. It's > kind > of weird because I sort of know the Denver area, but I don't > travel too often. So I'm in your shoes, but worse. My transfer > to the office in Tallahassee from the office in Brevard County > was quick, but there's a problem. I don't know if Florida will > allow me to go to school here in CO. So anyone give us both > tips > and advice? Anybody got any tips? Thanks. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brianna Scerenscko To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 14:39:21 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler > > Hello NABS Members, > > My name is Brianna. > I will be starting my first semester at Flagler in 3 weeks. > I submitted justifications for technology to my Division Of > Blind > Services office back in April. Just the other day I get an e > mail > from my counciler saying that I have been apruved for technology > and > funding of my Learning Ally membership. > I thought I had already been apruved and the technology had > already > been ordered. > My counciler can't transfer my case to the office in > Jacksonville > until all my technology has been received and she can't tell me > when > that will be. I need to meet with the office in Jacksonville > soon to > meet my counciler and O&M instructore, and also find out if DBS > will > still cover some of the cost of going to college and also for > them to > find me a reader. > DBS can't tell me when my case will be transfered either. > What should I do? School starts in 3 weeks. > > Thank You > > Brianna > > On 7/31/11, Aubrie Lucas wrote: > Exactly what I was going to suggest. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Kirt Manwaring > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:20 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] warning I'm getting on Facebook > > Haha, nothing to worry about. Hit the refresh button (f5) and > you'll be > fine. > > On 7/31/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm getting this warning message when I hit the go back command > on Facebook Mobile. I've pasted it below. What does this mean? > Thanks! Here's the message: > > Warning: Page has Expired > The page you requested was created using information you > submitted in a form. This page is no longer available. As a > security precaution, Internet Explorer does not automatically > resubmit your information for you. > To resubmit your information and view this Web page, click > the > Refresh button. > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities > motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? 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On 7/31/11, Brianna Scerenscko wrote: > Thank you everyone. > My counselor doesn't return any of my e mails or phone calls. > My college is providing O&M instruction around the school but not > around the town; but I guess if I ever needed to go to the store or > something I could try and figure out the root myself, get directions, > or have a friend go with me. > Since I don't know when my technology is coming in, I'm doing research > on different laptops; I can't afourd a note taker but I can live > without it for a little while. I just would need a computer (I already > have a version of Jaws that I can use), if I could get my hands on > Curswhile and a scanner I'd be good for a little while. > Thankfully I already have my first year of college paid for. > I'm thinking about just finding someone who would want to be a reader > and higher and pay them myself. > Thanks again. > > > On 7/31/11, Beth wrote: >> WHich reminds me, Ashley, >> I reigned a job I had via the CCB because they were making >> ll the decisions abo9ut where I'd work and the commute. I'd >> had to commute from Englewood all the way to Boulder! >> Uh-uh. I'm not going anywhere near there. Anyway, that's >> speaking of VR counselors who try to mke you do a certain >> job. Sorry, but I need to get my degree and get my job. >> The regular way, that is. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 21:01:02 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler >> >> Arielle, >> Amen, amen! VR is broken. My VR counselor is one who fails to >> communicate >> promptly, will not return phone calls, and did not get my >> equipment on time >> either. >> Fortunately, as a middle class person my parents chipped in with >> lots of >> technology funding and school funding but they cannot do it all. >> A 6 k >> notetaker, for instance, is too much. >> I have tried not to rely on VR much. If I want a certain job, I >> pursue it >> regardless of what my vr counselor thinks. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:36 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler >> >> Hi Brianna and all, >> Warning-This will be a rather cynical post, and I apologize in >> advance >> for the cynicism. However, I feel it beneficial to discuss what I >> have >> observed of the VR system, as well as offer some practical advice >> for >> getting around the issues you are having and others you may come >> across as you continue through college. >> I have been out of high school for eight years now, and was a VR >> client myself for three of those years. I have also heard >> countless >> stories similar to yours, and often worse, from my time as >> president >> of Arizona's student division and an officer of NABS. >> Unfortunately, I >> have concluded that the voc rehab system is highly flawed, and >> cannot >> be depended upon for much, especially your college education. I >> have >> heard about students waiting for months or years to get >> technology >> ordered or to get the necessary paperwork to go to training >> centers-even procedures that are relatively routine take way too >> long. >> I have also heard about counselors who fail to communicate with >> clients or return their calls or emails, or who try to give >> inappropriate directives about what careers clients should or >> shouldn't pursue. Now granted, there are definitely some good, >> competent, dedicated counselors and VR staff out there who >> completely >> respect blind people and actively support their pursuits, but I'm >> afraid that's not the norm. The VR system has many problems, not >> the >> least of which being its perpetual lack of funding. As a result, >> VR >> offices tend to be short-staffed and counselors are overwhelmed >> with >> too many clients, unable to give each client the time and >> attention >> their case deserves. Furthermore, I believe the standards for >> hiring >> VR counselors are pretty low, and I've definitely encountered >> more >> than one counselor who just isn't competent enough to get things >> done >> efficiently and well. It's an important system with lofty >> objectives >> of helping blind people get college degrees and jobs, but it's a >> broken one. >> So yes, you should definitely keep nagging your counselor, and >> their >> supervisor, and the director of the VR agency, until you get your >> equipment and your case transferred. But in the meantime, it's >> vitally >> important to have backups in place that don't rely on VR at all, >> so >> that you can start college on the right foot, and your life >> doesn't >> have to depend upon waiting for the flawed VR system to figure >> out how >> to handle your case. I'll give some suggestions for backups you >> might >> want to start using while you're waiting, for the three things >> you >> mentioned: technology, money for school, and O&M instruction. >> For technology: I'd suggest finding out if your parents or >> another >> family member could help you pay for a basic portable computer, >> like a >> Netbook ($500 or less) or a Macbook (perhaps; I don't know how >> much >> Macbooks cost, but if you get one, you won't need to worry about >> screenreading software). You really don't need a fancy laptop or >> desktop for schoolwork, and while many people find Braille >> displays >> and notetakers helpful, I think you can get by without it until >> VR >> comes through. And here's a little secret: You can get a demo >> version >> of JAWS for free, and unless they've changed something in the >> past few >> years, demo JAWS is exactly the same as the full version except >> that >> you have to restart your computer frequently. It's certainly a >> nuisance to keep restarting, but it's a decent workaround if you >> don't >> have the funds to shell out for a full-version screenreader. So >> then, >> all you have to buy is a basic computer, which is comparable to >> what >> virtually all sighted college freshmen get. If your DSS office or >> library provides public scanners, you may not need to buy one, >> but if >> you do, you can get a mainstream multifunction printer that comes >> with >> basic OCR software. >> Second, paying for school: The best solution would be a Pell >> grant. >> Are you a resident in the state where you'll be going to school? >> If >> so, you should be eligible. If not, there are other forms of >> federal >> student aid that you can apply for, if you haven't already. >> Finally, O&M is something you can work around at least >> temporarily. If >> you contact the DSS office at your school, they might be able to >> provide at least a general orientation to the buildings you will >> be >> going to for classes and an overview of the campus layout. You >> don't >> need to learn the whole campus. If DSS doesn't provide that >> service, >> you could ask the resident assistant (RA) in your dorm if they >> can >> hook you up with a student ambassador or someone else who can >> show you >> where those buildings are. Most O&M instructors will do just >> that, and >> not much more than what you can get from any old student who >> knows >> their way around. If what you want is more skill training (like >> learning how to use public transit, cross streets etc.) that's >> important too, but it can wait a few weeks until your case gets >> set. >> I hope this is helpful. The bottom line is that you are in charge >> of >> your education, and there are many resources you can use to >> accomplish >> your goals in school and beyond. Some of those resources are >> blindness-specific; others are the same resources available to >> all >> college students. VR is just one of many resources at your >> disposal. >> They can offer lots of good stuff, but on the downside, they >> aren't >> always dependable. The more alternative resources you can line >> up, the >> better. I personally didn't open a VR case at all until I was a >> senior >> in college and wanted to go to LCB after graduation. After LCB, I >> let >> my case close and didn't reopen when I moved to Colorado for grad >> school. I actually liked not being a VR client, and found it >> rather >> freeing. I could take whatever classes I felt like taking or >> switch my >> major or vocational goal every month if I wanted to, without ever >> having to justify anything to anyone. Granted, I had a merit >> scholarship and my parents were able to assist me with >> technology, and >> I recognize those circumstances don't happen to everyone. Many of >> us >> can benefit greatly from VR, when they have their act together. >> When >> they don't, you might have to be a little creative to find >> alternative >> resources, but they're out there. >> >> Best of luck, >> Arielle >> >> On 7/31/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >> wrote: >> Hi Beth, >> I just reread your message and you said CO DVR; I missed that >> when hearing >> with jaws somehow; probably since its one syllable. >> >> Yes you should have a case in CO where you reside. >> I'd say if they move too slow, talk to a supervisor of the >> office. Also >> document your communication. >> I think there should be a VR manual of rights and >> responsibilities for >> each >> state. Read it and find out their procedures for opening cases; >> it should >> outline the appropriate time line. >> Good luck. >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Beth >> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:31 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler >> >> I'm waiting on Medicaid, but have to use my dad's insurance, and >> a very high copay. That's whuat I'm worried about. I'll >> probably spend a lot on a prescription drug this week so that I >> can flush the infection out. I need to be all cured by next >> week >> or the first week of classes. I also need to figure out how to >> get my Pell Grant. I'm just opening the case here in CO because >> Florida is no longer my state of residence. Doesn't make sense >> to have a case in Florida. Thanks for the well wishes, Ashley. >> Thanks a bunch. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:31:10 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler >> >> Beth, >> Hope you get well! Do you have medicade? >> I'm confused. Do you live in Denver and want to go to school >> there? It >> sounds like your VR case is in florida though. So are you saying >> Florida VR >> is paying for your out of state tuition in Co? Good luck with >> your plans. >> Oh and going out of state to any center is tough. If your state >> has an in >> state center, they want that one, even if you select another >> better run >> traditional center. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Beth >> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 2:57 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler >> >> Hey, Brianna. I had problems with DBS not sending me to CCB >> till >> I screamed at them and made them do it. I was the squeaky wheel >> that got the grease, pretty much. I'm having a problem with CO >> DVR acting slow, and I just came down with something serious and >> have to go to the doctor. My boyffriend says he'll meet me at >> the bus stop and we'll go together. It'll be nice because then >> I >> can goo to a doctor. But I need a checkup because I think I >> have >> a serious infection. Worst off, I might not go to school till >> January becausee I have no money to pay for books and school. >> DVR just thought of assigning me a counselor, but I don't know >> where they are, and I moved from one place to another. It's >> kind >> of weird because I sort of know the Denver area, but I don't >> travel too often. So I'm in your shoes, but worse. My transfer >> to the office in Tallahassee from the office in Brevard County >> was quick, but there's a problem. I don't know if Florida will >> allow me to go to school here in CO. So anyone give us both >> tips >> and advice? Anybody got any tips? Thanks. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Brianna Scerenscko > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 14:39:21 -0400 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler >> >> Hello NABS Members, >> >> My name is Brianna. >> I will be starting my first semester at Flagler in 3 weeks. >> I submitted justifications for technology to my Division Of >> Blind >> Services office back in April. Just the other day I get an e >> mail >> from my counciler saying that I have been apruved for technology >> and >> funding of my Learning Ally membership. >> I thought I had already been apruved and the technology had >> already >> been ordered. >> My counciler can't transfer my case to the office in >> Jacksonville >> until all my technology has been received and she can't tell me >> when >> that will be. I need to meet with the office in Jacksonville >> soon to >> meet my counciler and O&M instructore, and also find out if DBS >> will >> still cover some of the cost of going to college and also for >> them to >> find me a reader. >> DBS can't tell me when my case will be transfered either. >> What should I do? School starts in 3 weeks. >> >> Thank You >> >> Brianna >> >> On 7/31/11, Aubrie Lucas wrote: >> Exactly what I was going to suggest. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> Of Kirt Manwaring >> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:20 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] warning I'm getting on Facebook >> >> Haha, nothing to worry about. Hit the refresh button (f5) and >> you'll be >> fine. >> >> On 7/31/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I'm getting this warning message when I hit the go back command >> on Facebook Mobile. I've pasted it below. What does this mean? >> Thanks! Here's the message: >> >> Warning: Page has Expired >> The page you requested was created using information you >> submitted in a form. This page is no longer available. As a >> security precaution, Internet Explorer does not automatically >> resubmit your information for you. >> To resubmit your information and view this Web page, click >> the >> Refresh button. >> >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities >> motto) >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in >> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click >> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. >> Foundation. >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.craz >> ydude%40gma >> il.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn >> %40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bfs1206%4 >> 0gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Brianna Scerenscko >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >> sloose%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma >> hb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >> sloose%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma >> hb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma >> hb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >> sloose%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bfs1206%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Brianna Scerenscko > -- Brianna Scerenscko From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 02:51:18 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 22:51:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler In-Reply-To: References: <4e35fd38.a71d440a.1d75.56ac@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Have you tried to call your BR boss? I have issues with mine as well and found that speaking to her boss after she did not get my things to me until three months after classes had started even though I gave her 13 months notice. Yes 13 months. She said that she could not get my things until my paper work was in order with school. the person who was to fill out my paperwork with me at the school had transford in the middle of helping me and the next person put me on hold just long enough for me not to be able to start that semester. But any ways, Try the above tips with other options and try talking with her boss. If you do not want jaws and can not get a Mac, try to use NVDA, I believe that is what it is called. I know you can switch the voice to the one that jaws uses. and it is free. On 7/31/11, Brianna Scerenscko wrote: > I hope everything works out and that you'll get to feeling better soon Beth. > > > On 7/31/11, Brianna Scerenscko wrote: >> Thank you everyone. >> My counselor doesn't return any of my e mails or phone calls. >> My college is providing O&M instruction around the school but not >> around the town; but I guess if I ever needed to go to the store or >> something I could try and figure out the root myself, get directions, >> or have a friend go with me. >> Since I don't know when my technology is coming in, I'm doing research >> on different laptops; I can't afourd a note taker but I can live >> without it for a little while. I just would need a computer (I already >> have a version of Jaws that I can use), if I could get my hands on >> Curswhile and a scanner I'd be good for a little while. >> Thankfully I already have my first year of college paid for. >> I'm thinking about just finding someone who would want to be a reader >> and higher and pay them myself. >> Thanks again. >> >> >> On 7/31/11, Beth wrote: >>> WHich reminds me, Ashley, >>> I reigned a job I had via the CCB because they were making >>> ll the decisions abo9ut where I'd work and the commute. I'd >>> had to commute from Englewood all the way to Boulder! >>> Uh-uh. I'm not going anywhere near there. Anyway, that's >>> speaking of VR counselors who try to mke you do a certain >>> job. Sorry, but I need to get my degree and get my job. >>> The regular way, that is. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 21:01:02 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler >>> >>> Arielle, >>> Amen, amen! VR is broken. My VR counselor is one who fails to >>> communicate >>> promptly, will not return phone calls, and did not get my >>> equipment on time >>> either. >>> Fortunately, as a middle class person my parents chipped in with >>> lots of >>> technology funding and school funding but they cannot do it all. >>> A 6 k >>> notetaker, for instance, is too much. >>> I have tried not to rely on VR much. If I want a certain job, I >>> pursue it >>> regardless of what my vr counselor thinks. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Arielle Silverman >>> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:36 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler >>> >>> Hi Brianna and all, >>> Warning-This will be a rather cynical post, and I apologize in >>> advance >>> for the cynicism. However, I feel it beneficial to discuss what I >>> have >>> observed of the VR system, as well as offer some practical advice >>> for >>> getting around the issues you are having and others you may come >>> across as you continue through college. >>> I have been out of high school for eight years now, and was a VR >>> client myself for three of those years. I have also heard >>> countless >>> stories similar to yours, and often worse, from my time as >>> president >>> of Arizona's student division and an officer of NABS. >>> Unfortunately, I >>> have concluded that the voc rehab system is highly flawed, and >>> cannot >>> be depended upon for much, especially your college education. I >>> have >>> heard about students waiting for months or years to get >>> technology >>> ordered or to get the necessary paperwork to go to training >>> centers-even procedures that are relatively routine take way too >>> long. >>> I have also heard about counselors who fail to communicate with >>> clients or return their calls or emails, or who try to give >>> inappropriate directives about what careers clients should or >>> shouldn't pursue. Now granted, there are definitely some good, >>> competent, dedicated counselors and VR staff out there who >>> completely >>> respect blind people and actively support their pursuits, but I'm >>> afraid that's not the norm. The VR system has many problems, not >>> the >>> least of which being its perpetual lack of funding. As a result, >>> VR >>> offices tend to be short-staffed and counselors are overwhelmed >>> with >>> too many clients, unable to give each client the time and >>> attention >>> their case deserves. Furthermore, I believe the standards for >>> hiring >>> VR counselors are pretty low, and I've definitely encountered >>> more >>> than one counselor who just isn't competent enough to get things >>> done >>> efficiently and well. It's an important system with lofty >>> objectives >>> of helping blind people get college degrees and jobs, but it's a >>> broken one. >>> So yes, you should definitely keep nagging your counselor, and >>> their >>> supervisor, and the director of the VR agency, until you get your >>> equipment and your case transferred. But in the meantime, it's >>> vitally >>> important to have backups in place that don't rely on VR at all, >>> so >>> that you can start college on the right foot, and your life >>> doesn't >>> have to depend upon waiting for the flawed VR system to figure >>> out how >>> to handle your case. I'll give some suggestions for backups you >>> might >>> want to start using while you're waiting, for the three things >>> you >>> mentioned: technology, money for school, and O&M instruction. >>> For technology: I'd suggest finding out if your parents or >>> another >>> family member could help you pay for a basic portable computer, >>> like a >>> Netbook ($500 or less) or a Macbook (perhaps; I don't know how >>> much >>> Macbooks cost, but if you get one, you won't need to worry about >>> screenreading software). You really don't need a fancy laptop or >>> desktop for schoolwork, and while many people find Braille >>> displays >>> and notetakers helpful, I think you can get by without it until >>> VR >>> comes through. And here's a little secret: You can get a demo >>> version >>> of JAWS for free, and unless they've changed something in the >>> past few >>> years, demo JAWS is exactly the same as the full version except >>> that >>> you have to restart your computer frequently. It's certainly a >>> nuisance to keep restarting, but it's a decent workaround if you >>> don't >>> have the funds to shell out for a full-version screenreader. So >>> then, >>> all you have to buy is a basic computer, which is comparable to >>> what >>> virtually all sighted college freshmen get. If your DSS office or >>> library provides public scanners, you may not need to buy one, >>> but if >>> you do, you can get a mainstream multifunction printer that comes >>> with >>> basic OCR software. >>> Second, paying for school: The best solution would be a Pell >>> grant. >>> Are you a resident in the state where you'll be going to school? >>> If >>> so, you should be eligible. If not, there are other forms of >>> federal >>> student aid that you can apply for, if you haven't already. >>> Finally, O&M is something you can work around at least >>> temporarily. If >>> you contact the DSS office at your school, they might be able to >>> provide at least a general orientation to the buildings you will >>> be >>> going to for classes and an overview of the campus layout. You >>> don't >>> need to learn the whole campus. If DSS doesn't provide that >>> service, >>> you could ask the resident assistant (RA) in your dorm if they >>> can >>> hook you up with a student ambassador or someone else who can >>> show you >>> where those buildings are. Most O&M instructors will do just >>> that, and >>> not much more than what you can get from any old student who >>> knows >>> their way around. If what you want is more skill training (like >>> learning how to use public transit, cross streets etc.) that's >>> important too, but it can wait a few weeks until your case gets >>> set. >>> I hope this is helpful. The bottom line is that you are in charge >>> of >>> your education, and there are many resources you can use to >>> accomplish >>> your goals in school and beyond. Some of those resources are >>> blindness-specific; others are the same resources available to >>> all >>> college students. VR is just one of many resources at your >>> disposal. >>> They can offer lots of good stuff, but on the downside, they >>> aren't >>> always dependable. The more alternative resources you can line >>> up, the >>> better. I personally didn't open a VR case at all until I was a >>> senior >>> in college and wanted to go to LCB after graduation. After LCB, I >>> let >>> my case close and didn't reopen when I moved to Colorado for grad >>> school. I actually liked not being a VR client, and found it >>> rather >>> freeing. I could take whatever classes I felt like taking or >>> switch my >>> major or vocational goal every month if I wanted to, without ever >>> having to justify anything to anyone. Granted, I had a merit >>> scholarship and my parents were able to assist me with >>> technology, and >>> I recognize those circumstances don't happen to everyone. Many of >>> us >>> can benefit greatly from VR, when they have their act together. >>> When >>> they don't, you might have to be a little creative to find >>> alternative >>> resources, but they're out there. >>> >>> Best of luck, >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 7/31/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >>> wrote: >>> Hi Beth, >>> I just reread your message and you said CO DVR; I missed that >>> when hearing >>> with jaws somehow; probably since its one syllable. >>> >>> Yes you should have a case in CO where you reside. >>> I'd say if they move too slow, talk to a supervisor of the >>> office. Also >>> document your communication. >>> I think there should be a VR manual of rights and >>> responsibilities for >>> each >>> state. Read it and find out their procedures for opening cases; >>> it should >>> outline the appropriate time line. >>> Good luck. >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Beth >>> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:31 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler >>> >>> I'm waiting on Medicaid, but have to use my dad's insurance, and >>> a very high copay. That's whuat I'm worried about. I'll >>> probably spend a lot on a prescription drug this week so that I >>> can flush the infection out. I need to be all cured by next >>> week >>> or the first week of classes. I also need to figure out how to >>> get my Pell Grant. I'm just opening the case here in CO because >>> Florida is no longer my state of residence. Doesn't make sense >>> to have a case in Florida. Thanks for the well wishes, Ashley. >>> Thanks a bunch. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:31:10 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler >>> >>> Beth, >>> Hope you get well! Do you have medicade? >>> I'm confused. Do you live in Denver and want to go to school >>> there? It >>> sounds like your VR case is in florida though. So are you saying >>> Florida VR >>> is paying for your out of state tuition in Co? Good luck with >>> your plans. >>> Oh and going out of state to any center is tough. If your state >>> has an in >>> state center, they want that one, even if you select another >>> better run >>> traditional center. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Beth >>> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 2:57 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler >>> >>> Hey, Brianna. I had problems with DBS not sending me to CCB >>> till >>> I screamed at them and made them do it. I was the squeaky wheel >>> that got the grease, pretty much. I'm having a problem with CO >>> DVR acting slow, and I just came down with something serious and >>> have to go to the doctor. My boyffriend says he'll meet me at >>> the bus stop and we'll go together. It'll be nice because then >>> I >>> can goo to a doctor. But I need a checkup because I think I >>> have >>> a serious infection. Worst off, I might not go to school till >>> January becausee I have no money to pay for books and school. >>> DVR just thought of assigning me a counselor, but I don't know >>> where they are, and I moved from one place to another. It's >>> kind >>> of weird because I sort of know the Denver area, but I don't >>> travel too often. So I'm in your shoes, but worse. My transfer >>> to the office in Tallahassee from the office in Brevard County >>> was quick, but there's a problem. I don't know if Florida will >>> allow me to go to school here in CO. So anyone give us both >>> tips >>> and advice? Anybody got any tips? Thanks. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Brianna Scerenscko >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 14:39:21 -0400 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler >>> >>> Hello NABS Members, >>> >>> My name is Brianna. >>> I will be starting my first semester at Flagler in 3 weeks. >>> I submitted justifications for technology to my Division Of >>> Blind >>> Services office back in April. Just the other day I get an e >>> mail >>> from my counciler saying that I have been apruved for technology >>> and >>> funding of my Learning Ally membership. >>> I thought I had already been apruved and the technology had >>> already >>> been ordered. >>> My counciler can't transfer my case to the office in >>> Jacksonville >>> until all my technology has been received and she can't tell me >>> when >>> that will be. I need to meet with the office in Jacksonville >>> soon to >>> meet my counciler and O&M instructore, and also find out if DBS >>> will >>> still cover some of the cost of going to college and also for >>> them to >>> find me a reader. >>> DBS can't tell me when my case will be transfered either. >>> What should I do? School starts in 3 weeks. >>> >>> Thank You >>> >>> Brianna >>> >>> On 7/31/11, Aubrie Lucas wrote: >>> Exactly what I was going to suggest. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>> Of Kirt Manwaring >>> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:20 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] warning I'm getting on Facebook >>> >>> Haha, nothing to worry about. Hit the refresh button (f5) and >>> you'll be >>> fine. >>> >>> On 7/31/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I'm getting this warning message when I hit the go back command >>> on Facebook Mobile. I've pasted it below. What does this mean? >>> Thanks! Here's the message: >>> >>> Warning: Page has Expired >>> The page you requested was created using information you >>> submitted in a form. This page is no longer available. As a >>> security precaution, Internet Explorer does not automatically >>> resubmit your information for you. >>> To resubmit your information and view this Web page, click >>> the >>> Refresh button. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities >>> motto) >>> >>> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in >>> Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click >>> on this link to learn more and to contribute: >>> www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. >>> Foundation. >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.craz >>> ydude%40gma >>> il.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn >>> %40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bfs1206%4 >>> 0gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Brianna Scerenscko >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info >>> for nabs-l: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >>> sloose%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma >>> hb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info >>> for nabs-l: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >>> sloose%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma >>> hb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma >>> hb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >>> sloose%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bfs1206%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Brianna Scerenscko >> > > > -- > Brianna Scerenscko > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From bernadetta_pracon at samobile.net Mon Aug 1 04:26:40 2011 From: bernadetta_pracon at samobile.net (Bernadetta Pracon) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 00:26:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] (slightly OT) selling a like-new Pac Mate Omni QX420 Message-ID: <20110801042640.1947.41199@ip-10-203-66-216.ec2.internal> HiEveryone; I'm aware that this may be slightly off topic; I'm not trying to spam the list, I just thought maybe someone might be interested. I am selling my Pac Mate Omni QX420. It's in like-new condition, very slightly used. I bought it brand-new about a year ago. I'm including with it a brand-new EP custum leather case, a CF storage card, and a CF wireless card. Asking$1450 or best offer. This is a considerably lower price than the retail listing, which is the price I payed for it when I got it, as I boughtit streight fromFS. Again, it's in perfect shape; I just don't use it as much as I thought I would. This price includes shipping, unless you live outside of the US or Canada. I will accept payment via PayPal. Please send me a message off list with any questions about it, or if you're interested in making an offer on it. Thank you sincerely, Bernadetta -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From bfs1206 at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 12:25:06 2011 From: bfs1206 at gmail.com (Brianna Scerenscko) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 08:25:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler In-Reply-To: References: <4e35fd38.a71d440a.1d75.56ac@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I have tried. Her boss used to be my old counselor and she's even more difficult. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2011, at 10:51 PM, Lea williams wrote: > Have you tried to call your BR boss? I have issues with mine as well > and found that speaking to her boss after she did not get my things to > me until three months after classes had started even though I gave her > 13 months notice. Yes 13 months. She said that she could not get my > things until my paper work was in order with school. the person who > was to fill out my paperwork with me at the school had transford in > the middle of helping me and the next person put me on hold just long > enough for me not to be able to start that semester. But any ways, Try > the above tips with other options and try talking with her boss. If > you do not want jaws and can not get a Mac, try to use NVDA, I believe > that is what it is called. I know you can switch the voice to the one > that jaws uses. and it is free. > > On 7/31/11, Brianna Scerenscko wrote: >> I hope everything works out and that you'll get to feeling better soon Beth. >> >> >> On 7/31/11, Brianna Scerenscko wrote: >>> Thank you everyone. >>> My counselor doesn't return any of my e mails or phone calls. >>> My college is providing O&M instruction around the school but not >>> around the town; but I guess if I ever needed to go to the store or >>> something I could try and figure out the root myself, get directions, >>> or have a friend go with me. >>> Since I don't know when my technology is coming in, I'm doing research >>> on different laptops; I can't afourd a note taker but I can live >>> without it for a little while. I just would need a computer (I already >>> have a version of Jaws that I can use), if I could get my hands on >>> Curswhile and a scanner I'd be good for a little while. >>> Thankfully I already have my first year of college paid for. >>> I'm thinking about just finding someone who would want to be a reader >>> and higher and pay them myself. >>> Thanks again. >>> >>> >>> On 7/31/11, Beth wrote: >>>> WHich reminds me, Ashley, >>>> I reigned a job I had via the CCB because they were making >>>> ll the decisions abo9ut where I'd work and the commute. I'd >>>> had to commute from Englewood all the way to Boulder! >>>> Uh-uh. I'm not going anywhere near there. Anyway, that's >>>> speaking of VR counselors who try to mke you do a certain >>>> job. Sorry, but I need to get my degree and get my job. >>>> The regular way, that is. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Date sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 21:01:02 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler >>>> >>>> Arielle, >>>> Amen, amen! VR is broken. My VR counselor is one who fails to >>>> communicate >>>> promptly, will not return phone calls, and did not get my >>>> equipment on time >>>> either. >>>> Fortunately, as a middle class person my parents chipped in with >>>> lots of >>>> technology funding and school funding but they cannot do it all. >>>> A 6 k >>>> notetaker, for instance, is too much. >>>> I have tried not to rely on VR much. If I want a certain job, I >>>> pursue it >>>> regardless of what my vr counselor thinks. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Arielle Silverman >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:36 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler >>>> >>>> Hi Brianna and all, >>>> Warning-This will be a rather cynical post, and I apologize in >>>> advance >>>> for the cynicism. However, I feel it beneficial to discuss what I >>>> have >>>> observed of the VR system, as well as offer some practical advice >>>> for >>>> getting around the issues you are having and others you may come >>>> across as you continue through college. >>>> I have been out of high school for eight years now, and was a VR >>>> client myself for three of those years. I have also heard >>>> countless >>>> stories similar to yours, and often worse, from my time as >>>> president >>>> of Arizona's student division and an officer of NABS. >>>> Unfortunately, I >>>> have concluded that the voc rehab system is highly flawed, and >>>> cannot >>>> be depended upon for much, especially your college education. I >>>> have >>>> heard about students waiting for months or years to get >>>> technology >>>> ordered or to get the necessary paperwork to go to training >>>> centers-even procedures that are relatively routine take way too >>>> long. >>>> I have also heard about counselors who fail to communicate with >>>> clients or return their calls or emails, or who try to give >>>> inappropriate directives about what careers clients should or >>>> shouldn't pursue. Now granted, there are definitely some good, >>>> competent, dedicated counselors and VR staff out there who >>>> completely >>>> respect blind people and actively support their pursuits, but I'm >>>> afraid that's not the norm. The VR system has many problems, not >>>> the >>>> least of which being its perpetual lack of funding. As a result, >>>> VR >>>> offices tend to be short-staffed and counselors are overwhelmed >>>> with >>>> too many clients, unable to give each client the time and >>>> attention >>>> their case deserves. Furthermore, I believe the standards for >>>> hiring >>>> VR counselors are pretty low, and I've definitely encountered >>>> more >>>> than one counselor who just isn't competent enough to get things >>>> done >>>> efficiently and well. It's an important system with lofty >>>> objectives >>>> of helping blind people get college degrees and jobs, but it's a >>>> broken one. >>>> So yes, you should definitely keep nagging your counselor, and >>>> their >>>> supervisor, and the director of the VR agency, until you get your >>>> equipment and your case transferred. But in the meantime, it's >>>> vitally >>>> important to have backups in place that don't rely on VR at all, >>>> so >>>> that you can start college on the right foot, and your life >>>> doesn't >>>> have to depend upon waiting for the flawed VR system to figure >>>> out how >>>> to handle your case. I'll give some suggestions for backups you >>>> might >>>> want to start using while you're waiting, for the three things >>>> you >>>> mentioned: technology, money for school, and O&M instruction. >>>> For technology: I'd suggest finding out if your parents or >>>> another >>>> family member could help you pay for a basic portable computer, >>>> like a >>>> Netbook ($500 or less) or a Macbook (perhaps; I don't know how >>>> much >>>> Macbooks cost, but if you get one, you won't need to worry about >>>> screenreading software). You really don't need a fancy laptop or >>>> desktop for schoolwork, and while many people find Braille >>>> displays >>>> and notetakers helpful, I think you can get by without it until >>>> VR >>>> comes through. And here's a little secret: You can get a demo >>>> version >>>> of JAWS for free, and unless they've changed something in the >>>> past few >>>> years, demo JAWS is exactly the same as the full version except >>>> that >>>> you have to restart your computer frequently. It's certainly a >>>> nuisance to keep restarting, but it's a decent workaround if you >>>> don't >>>> have the funds to shell out for a full-version screenreader. So >>>> then, >>>> all you have to buy is a basic computer, which is comparable to >>>> what >>>> virtually all sighted college freshmen get. If your DSS office or >>>> library provides public scanners, you may not need to buy one, >>>> but if >>>> you do, you can get a mainstream multifunction printer that comes >>>> with >>>> basic OCR software. >>>> Second, paying for school: The best solution would be a Pell >>>> grant. >>>> Are you a resident in the state where you'll be going to school? >>>> If >>>> so, you should be eligible. If not, there are other forms of >>>> federal >>>> student aid that you can apply for, if you haven't already. >>>> Finally, O&M is something you can work around at least >>>> temporarily. If >>>> you contact the DSS office at your school, they might be able to >>>> provide at least a general orientation to the buildings you will >>>> be >>>> going to for classes and an overview of the campus layout. You >>>> don't >>>> need to learn the whole campus. If DSS doesn't provide that >>>> service, >>>> you could ask the resident assistant (RA) in your dorm if they >>>> can >>>> hook you up with a student ambassador or someone else who can >>>> show you >>>> where those buildings are. Most O&M instructors will do just >>>> that, and >>>> not much more than what you can get from any old student who >>>> knows >>>> their way around. If what you want is more skill training (like >>>> learning how to use public transit, cross streets etc.) that's >>>> important too, but it can wait a few weeks until your case gets >>>> set. >>>> I hope this is helpful. The bottom line is that you are in charge >>>> of >>>> your education, and there are many resources you can use to >>>> accomplish >>>> your goals in school and beyond. Some of those resources are >>>> blindness-specific; others are the same resources available to >>>> all >>>> college students. VR is just one of many resources at your >>>> disposal. >>>> They can offer lots of good stuff, but on the downside, they >>>> aren't >>>> always dependable. The more alternative resources you can line >>>> up, the >>>> better. I personally didn't open a VR case at all until I was a >>>> senior >>>> in college and wanted to go to LCB after graduation. After LCB, I >>>> let >>>> my case close and didn't reopen when I moved to Colorado for grad >>>> school. I actually liked not being a VR client, and found it >>>> rather >>>> freeing. I could take whatever classes I felt like taking or >>>> switch my >>>> major or vocational goal every month if I wanted to, without ever >>>> having to justify anything to anyone. Granted, I had a merit >>>> scholarship and my parents were able to assist me with >>>> technology, and >>>> I recognize those circumstances don't happen to everyone. Many of >>>> us >>>> can benefit greatly from VR, when they have their act together. >>>> When >>>> they don't, you might have to be a little creative to find >>>> alternative >>>> resources, but they're out there. >>>> >>>> Best of luck, >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>> On 7/31/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net >>>> wrote: >>>> Hi Beth, >>>> I just reread your message and you said CO DVR; I missed that >>>> when hearing >>>> with jaws somehow; probably since its one syllable. >>>> >>>> Yes you should have a case in CO where you reside. >>>> I'd say if they move too slow, talk to a supervisor of the >>>> office. Also >>>> document your communication. >>>> I think there should be a VR manual of rights and >>>> responsibilities for >>>> each >>>> state. Read it and find out their procedures for opening cases; >>>> it should >>>> outline the appropriate time line. >>>> Good luck. >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Beth >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:31 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler >>>> >>>> I'm waiting on Medicaid, but have to use my dad's insurance, and >>>> a very high copay. That's whuat I'm worried about. I'll >>>> probably spend a lot on a prescription drug this week so that I >>>> can flush the infection out. I need to be all cured by next >>>> week >>>> or the first week of classes. I also need to figure out how to >>>> get my Pell Grant. I'm just opening the case here in CO because >>>> Florida is no longer my state of residence. Doesn't make sense >>>> to have a case in Florida. Thanks for the well wishes, Ashley. >>>> Thanks a bunch. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Date sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:31:10 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler >>>> >>>> Beth, >>>> Hope you get well! Do you have medicade? >>>> I'm confused. Do you live in Denver and want to go to school >>>> there? It >>>> sounds like your VR case is in florida though. So are you saying >>>> Florida VR >>>> is paying for your out of state tuition in Co? Good luck with >>>> your plans. >>>> Oh and going out of state to any center is tough. If your state >>>> has an in >>>> state center, they want that one, even if you select another >>>> better run >>>> traditional center. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Beth >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 2:57 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler >>>> >>>> Hey, Brianna. I had problems with DBS not sending me to CCB >>>> till >>>> I screamed at them and made them do it. I was the squeaky wheel >>>> that got the grease, pretty much. I'm having a problem with CO >>>> DVR acting slow, and I just came down with something serious and >>>> have to go to the doctor. My boyffriend says he'll meet me at >>>> the bus stop and we'll go together. It'll be nice because then >>>> I >>>> can goo to a doctor. But I need a checkup because I think I >>>> have >>>> a serious infection. Worst off, I might not go to school till >>>> January becausee I have no money to pay for books and school. >>>> DVR just thought of assigning me a counselor, but I don't know >>>> where they are, and I moved from one place to another. It's >>>> kind >>>> of weird because I sort of know the Denver area, but I don't >>>> travel too often. So I'm in your shoes, but worse. My transfer >>>> to the office in Tallahassee from the office in Brevard County >>>> was quick, but there's a problem. I don't know if Florida will >>>> allow me to go to school here in CO. So anyone give us both >>>> tips >>>> and advice? Anybody got any tips? Thanks. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Brianna Scerenscko >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 14:39:21 -0400 >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler >>>> >>>> Hello NABS Members, >>>> >>>> My name is Brianna. >>>> I will be starting my first semester at Flagler in 3 weeks. >>>> I submitted justifications for technology to my Division Of >>>> Blind >>>> Services office back in April. Just the other day I get an e >>>> mail >>>> from my counciler saying that I have been apruved for technology >>>> and >>>> funding of my Learning Ally membership. >>>> I thought I had already been apruved and the technology had >>>> already >>>> been ordered. >>>> My counciler can't transfer my case to the office in >>>> Jacksonville >>>> until all my technology has been received and she can't tell me >>>> when >>>> that will be. I need to meet with the office in Jacksonville >>>> soon to >>>> meet my counciler and O&M instructore, and also find out if DBS >>>> will >>>> still cover some of the cost of going to college and also for >>>> them to >>>> find me a reader. >>>> DBS can't tell me when my case will be transfered either. >>>> What should I do? School starts in 3 weeks. >>>> >>>> Thank You >>>> >>>> Brianna >>>> >>>> On 7/31/11, Aubrie Lucas wrote: >>>> Exactly what I was going to suggest. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>>> Of Kirt Manwaring >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:20 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] warning I'm getting on Facebook >>>> >>>> Haha, nothing to worry about. Hit the refresh button (f5) and >>>> you'll be >>>> fine. >>>> >>>> On 7/31/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> I'm getting this warning message when I hit the go back command >>>> on Facebook Mobile. I've pasted it below. What does this mean? >>>> Thanks! Here's the message: >>>> >>>> Warning: Page has Expired >>>> The page you requested was created using information you >>>> subm From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 15:19:33 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 11:19:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler Message-ID: <4e36c42c.0607e50a.4052.ffff80b7@mx.google.com> Hi Brianna, How much does System Access cost? Depending on the cost, you could get the SA ToGo version which you can use on any computer by downloading the program to a thumb drive. I used System Access ToGo for a little while, but I finally just went back to JAWS at home and my notetaker everywhere else because I didn't know the commands and I didn't like Dectalk speech that much. You might like it, though! Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Lea williams wrote: I hope everything works out and that you'll get to feeling better soon Beth. On 7/31/11, Brianna Scerenscko wrote: Thank you everyone. My counselor doesn't return any of my e mails or phone calls. My college is providing O&M instruction around the school but not around the town; but I guess if I ever needed to go to the store or something I could try and figure out the root myself, get directions, or have a friend go with me. Since I don't know when my technology is coming in, I'm doing research on different laptops; I can't afourd a note taker but I can live without it for a little while. I just would need a computer (I already have a version of Jaws that I can use), if I could get my hands on Curswhile and a scanner I'd be good for a little while. Thankfully I already have my first year of college paid for. I'm thinking about just finding someone who would want to be a reader and higher and pay them myself. Thanks again. On 7/31/11, Beth wrote: WHich reminds me, Ashley, I reigned a job I had via the CCB because they were making ll the decisions abo9ut where I'd work and the commute. I'd had to commute from Englewood all the way to Boulder! Uh-uh. I'm not going anywhere near there. Anyway, that's speaking of VR counselors who try to mke you do a certain job. Sorry, but I need to get my degree and get my job. The regular way, that is. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: wrote: Exactly what I was going to suggest. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt Manwaring Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:20 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] warning I'm getting on Facebook Haha, nothing to worry about. Hit the refresh button (f5) and you'll be fine. On 7/31/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Hi everyone, I'm getting this warning message when I hit the go back command on Facebook Mobile. I've pasted it below. What does this mean? Thanks! Here's the message: Warning: Page has Expired The page you requested was created using information you submitted in a form. This page is no longer available. As a security precaution, Internet Explorer does not automatically resubmit your information for you. To resubmit your information and view this Web page, click the Refresh button. Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. 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I have had a lot of success using Microsoft Excel to build accessible diagrams for the logic games. If you, or anybody else, wish to discuss this in greater detail, please contact me off list. Thanks, Sean From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 16:55:23 2011 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 10:55:23 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler In-Reply-To: <4e36c42c.0607e50a.4052.ffff80b7@mx.google.com> References: <4e36c42c.0607e50a.4052.ffff80b7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Brianna, Another thing that's possible is trying to get your state or local NFB to help you advocate. I had problems with my VR early on, and I was lucky that my state president has a lot of influence in our agency and he was totally willing to go to bat for me. His help, coupled with me talking to my counselor's supervisor straightened out most of my issues pretty quick. (my technology still came in 3 months late, but my college has computers with Jaws so I was fine) Now me and my counselor work together no problem,,, he knows I'm serious and I'll fight for what I need, so he's a lot better about doing things on time. That's not to say he'll aprove every request I make (I know I'll have to fight like hell if I want to get training anywhere other than my state center), but he knows I mean business and most things I need come a lot quicker now. HTH, Kirt On 8/1/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Brianna, > > How much does System Access cost? Depending on the cost, you > could get the SA ToGo version which you can use on any computer > by downloading the program to a thumb drive. I used System > Access ToGo for a little while, but I finally just went back to > JAWS at home and my notetaker everywhere else because I didn't > know the commands and I didn't like Dectalk speech that much. > You might like it, though! > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click > on this link to learn more and to contribute: > www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. > Foundation. > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lea williams To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 22:51:18 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler > > Have you tried to call your BR boss? I have issues with mine as > well > and found that speaking to her boss after she did not get my > things to > me until three months after classes had started even though I > gave her > 13 months notice. Yes 13 months. She said that she could not > get my > things until my paper work was in order with school. the person > who > was to fill out my paperwork with me at the school had transford > in > the middle of helping me and the next person put me on hold just > long > enough for me not to be able to start that semester. But any > ways, Try > the above tips with other options and try talking with her boss. > If > you do not want jaws and can not get a Mac, try to use NVDA, I > believe > that is what it is called. I know you can switch the voice to > the one > that jaws uses. and it is free. > > On 7/31/11, Brianna Scerenscko wrote: > I hope everything works out and that you'll get to feeling > better soon Beth. > > > On 7/31/11, Brianna Scerenscko wrote: > Thank you everyone. > My counselor doesn't return any of my e mails or phone calls. > My college is providing O&M instruction around the school but > not > around the town; but I guess if I ever needed to go to the store > or > something I could try and figure out the root myself, get > directions, > or have a friend go with me. > Since I don't know when my technology is coming in, I'm doing > research > on different laptops; I can't afourd a note taker but I can live > without it for a little while. I just would need a computer (I > already > have a version of Jaws that I can use), if I could get my hands > on > Curswhile and a scanner I'd be good for a little while. > Thankfully I already have my first year of college paid for. > I'm thinking about just finding someone who would want to be a > reader > and higher and pay them myself. > Thanks again. > > > On 7/31/11, Beth wrote: > WHich reminds me, Ashley, > I reigned a job I had via the CCB because they were making > ll the decisions abo9ut where I'd work and the commute. I'd > had to commute from Englewood all the way to Boulder! > Uh-uh. I'm not going anywhere near there. Anyway, that's > speaking of VR counselors who try to mke you do a certain > job. Sorry, but I need to get my degree and get my job. > The regular way, that is. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 21:01:02 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler > > Arielle, > Amen, amen! VR is broken. My VR counselor is one who fails to > communicate > promptly, will not return phone calls, and did not get my > equipment on time > either. > Fortunately, as a middle class person my parents chipped in with > lots of > technology funding and school funding but they cannot do it all. > A 6 k > notetaker, for instance, is too much. > I have tried not to rely on VR much. If I want a certain job, I > pursue it > regardless of what my vr counselor thinks. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:36 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler > > Hi Brianna and all, > Warning-This will be a rather cynical post, and I apologize in > advance > for the cynicism. However, I feel it beneficial to discuss what > I > have > observed of the VR system, as well as offer some practical > advice > for > getting around the issues you are having and others you may come > across as you continue through college. > I have been out of high school for eight years now, and was a VR > client myself for three of those years. I have also heard > countless > stories similar to yours, and often worse, from my time as > president > of Arizona's student division and an officer of NABS. > Unfortunately, I > have concluded that the voc rehab system is highly flawed, and > cannot > be depended upon for much, especially your college education. I > have > heard about students waiting for months or years to get > technology > ordered or to get the necessary paperwork to go to training > centers-even procedures that are relatively routine take way too > long. > I have also heard about counselors who fail to communicate with > clients or return their calls or emails, or who try to give > inappropriate directives about what careers clients should or > shouldn't pursue. Now granted, there are definitely some good, > competent, dedicated counselors and VR staff out there who > completely > respect blind people and actively support their pursuits, but > I'm > afraid that's not the norm. The VR system has many problems, > not > the > least of which being its perpetual lack of funding. As a > result, > VR > offices tend to be short-staffed and counselors are overwhelmed > with > too many clients, unable to give each client the time and > attention > their case deserves. Furthermore, I believe the standards for > hiring > VR counselors are pretty low, and I've definitely encountered > more > than one counselor who just isn't competent enough to get things > done > efficiently and well. It's an important system with lofty > objectives > of helping blind people get college degrees and jobs, but it's a > broken one. > So yes, you should definitely keep nagging your counselor, and > their > supervisor, and the director of the VR agency, until you get > your > equipment and your case transferred. But in the meantime, it's > vitally > important to have backups in place that don't rely on VR at all, > so > that you can start college on the right foot, and your life > doesn't > have to depend upon waiting for the flawed VR system to figure > out how > to handle your case. I'll give some suggestions for backups you > might > want to start using while you're waiting, for the three things > you > mentioned: technology, money for school, and O&M instruction. > For technology: I'd suggest finding out if your parents or > another > family member could help you pay for a basic portable computer, > like a > Netbook ($500 or less) or a Macbook (perhaps; I don't know how > much > Macbooks cost, but if you get one, you won't need to worry about > screenreading software). You really don't need a fancy laptop > or > desktop for schoolwork, and while many people find Braille > displays > and notetakers helpful, I think you can get by without it until > VR > comes through. And here's a little secret: You can get a demo > version > of JAWS for free, and unless they've changed something in the > past few > years, demo JAWS is exactly the same as the full version except > that > you have to restart your computer frequently. It's certainly a > nuisance to keep restarting, but it's a decent workaround if you > don't > have the funds to shell out for a full-version screenreader. So > then, > all you have to buy is a basic computer, which is comparable to > what > virtually all sighted college freshmen get. If your DSS office > or > library provides public scanners, you may not need to buy one, > but if > you do, you can get a mainstream multifunction printer that > comes > with > basic OCR software. > Second, paying for school: The best solution would be a Pell > grant. > Are you a resident in the state where you'll be going to school? > If > so, you should be eligible. If not, there are other forms of > federal > student aid that you can apply for, if you haven't already. > Finally, O&M is something you can work around at least > temporarily. If > you contact the DSS office at your school, they might be able to > provide at least a general orientation to the buildings you will > be > going to for classes and an overview of the campus layout. You > don't > need to learn the whole campus. If DSS doesn't provide that > service, > you could ask the resident assistant (RA) in your dorm if they > can > hook you up with a student ambassador or someone else who can > show you > where those buildings are. Most O&M instructors will do just > that, and > not much more than what you can get from any old student who > knows > their way around. If what you want is more skill training (like > learning how to use public transit, cross streets etc.) that's > important too, but it can wait a few weeks until your case gets > set. > I hope this is helpful. The bottom line is that you are in > charge > of > your education, and there are many resources you can use to > accomplish > your goals in school and beyond. Some of those resources are > blindness-specific; others are the same resources available to > all > college students. VR is just one of many resources at your > disposal. > They can offer lots of good stuff, but on the downside, they > aren't > always dependable. The more alternative resources you can line > up, the > better. I personally didn't open a VR case at all until I was a > senior > in college and wanted to go to LCB after graduation. After LCB, > I > let > my case close and didn't reopen when I moved to Colorado for > grad > school. I actually liked not being a VR client, and found it > rather > freeing. I could take whatever classes I felt like taking or > switch my > major or vocational goal every month if I wanted to, without > ever > having to justify anything to anyone. Granted, I had a merit > scholarship and my parents were able to assist me with > technology, and > I recognize those circumstances don't happen to everyone. Many > of > us > can benefit greatly from VR, when they have their act together. > When > they don't, you might have to be a little creative to find > alternative > resources, but they're out there. > > Best of luck, > Arielle > > On 7/31/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Hi Beth, > I just reread your message and you said CO DVR; I missed that > when hearing > with jaws somehow; probably since its one syllable. > > Yes you should have a case in CO where you reside. > I'd say if they move too slow, talk to a supervisor of the > office. Also > document your communication. > I think there should be a VR manual of rights and > responsibilities for > each > state. Read it and find out their procedures for opening > cases; > it should > outline the appropriate time line. > Good luck. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:31 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler > > I'm waiting on Medicaid, but have to use my dad's insurance, > and > a very high copay. That's whuat I'm worried about. I'll > probably spend a lot on a prescription drug this week so that I > can flush the infection out. I need to be all cured by next > week > or the first week of classes. I also need to figure out how to > get my Pell Grant. I'm just opening the case here in CO > because > Florida is no longer my state of residence. Doesn't make sense > to have a case in Florida. Thanks for the well wishes, Ashley. > Thanks a bunch. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 16:31:10 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler > > Beth, > Hope you get well! Do you have medicade? > I'm confused. Do you live in Denver and want to go to school > there? It > sounds like your VR case is in florida though. So are you > saying > Florida VR > is paying for your out of state tuition in Co? Good luck with > your plans. > Oh and going out of state to any center is tough. If your > state > has an in > state center, they want that one, even if you select another > better run > traditional center. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 2:57 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler > > Hey, Brianna. I had problems with DBS not sending me to CCB > till > I screamed at them and made them do it. I was the squeaky > wheel > that got the grease, pretty much. I'm having a problem with CO > DVR acting slow, and I just came down with something serious > and > have to go to the doctor. My boyffriend says he'll meet me at > the bus stop and we'll go together. It'll be nice because then > I > can goo to a doctor. But I need a checkup because I think I > have > a serious infection. Worst off, I might not go to school till > January becausee I have no money to pay for books and school. > DVR just thought of assigning me a counselor, but I don't know > where they are, and I moved from one place to another. It's > kind > of weird because I sort of know the Denver area, but I don't > travel too often. So I'm in your shoes, but worse. My > transfer > to the office in Tallahassee from the office in Brevard County > was quick, but there's a problem. I don't know if Florida will > allow me to go to school here in CO. So anyone give us both > tips > and advice? Anybody got any tips? Thanks. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Brianna Scerenscko To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 14:39:21 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] Slow Acting VR Counciler > > Hello NABS Members, > > My name is Brianna. > I will be starting my first semester at Flagler in 3 weeks. > I submitted justifications for technology to my Division Of > Blind > Services office back in April. Just the other day I get an e > mail > from my counciler saying that I have been apruved for > technology > and > funding of my Learning Ally membership. > I thought I had already been apruved and the technology had > already > been ordered. > My counciler can't transfer my case to the office in > Jacksonville > until all my technology has been received and she can't tell me > when > that will be. I need to meet with the office in Jacksonville > soon to > meet my counciler and O&M instructore, and also find out if DBS > will > still cover some of the cost of going to college and also for > them to > find me a reader. > DBS can't tell me when my case will be transfered either. > What should I do? School starts in 3 weeks. > > Thank You > > Brianna > > On 7/31/11, Aubrie Lucas wrote: > Exactly what I was going to suggest. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Kirt Manwaring > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:20 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] warning I'm getting on Facebook > > Haha, nothing to worry about. Hit the refresh button (f5) and > you'll be > fine. > > On 7/31/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm getting this warning message when I hit the go back command > on Facebook Mobile. I've pasted it below. What does this > mean? > Thanks! Here's the message: > > Warning: Page has Expired > The page you requested was created using information you > submitted in a form. This page is no longer available. As a > security precaution, Internet Explorer does not automatically > resubmit your information for you. > To resubmit your information and view this Web page, click > the > Refresh button. > > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities > motto) > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in > Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" 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Tonight's Djd Invasion is going to be something very special, and the fun begins at 8 PM eastern. Sure, you expect to hear musical variety. Sure too that your requests will be honored if you email djd at audioaccessradio.com or call in to our show when the lines are open through skype at audioaccessradio or by phone at 516-360-0365 But tonight, we'll be interviewing with Ronnie talbott. Now that name might not mean anything to you, but if you're familiar with the reality TV series, Big Brother, and you watched Season11, you may know him. He was a participant on that show, and he's going to talk to us about reality TV, his experience in general, and how it has affected his life, his views and attitudes, etc. To read up on the Big Brother series, go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Brother_(TV_series I am very excited about tonight's show and interview, and I hope you are too. As stated, if you want to chat with us during the show, add audioaccessradio to your skype or you can call in by phone when prompted to do so at 516 360-0365 or just drop your comments to me by email at djd at audioaccessradio.com We're working on setting up a web-based accessible chat room for listeners and djs to interact, but stay tuned for that! And speaking of staying tuned, to check out tonight's Djd Invasion, at any time between 8 and 11 PM eastern, visit http://www.audioaccessradio.com/listen_live.php Hope to see you there! From startrekcafe at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 00:11:40 2011 From: startrekcafe at gmail.com (Marvin Hunkin) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:11:40 +1000 Subject: [nabs-l] major website project suggestions Message-ID: <182123945F1442B5BCCA35CD11BC71D3@MARVINPC> hi. looking for some inpsiration and some ideas. i am enrolling in a diploma in web site development. using a major project, for my web site design course. and need to build a database, content management system, and probably programming in visual basic, visual web developer, php, droople. so any one got any ideas, or suggestion, i could let my head teacher know, what type of major project. and i use jaws for windows 12, on windows vista home premium, but looking to install windows 7. and visual studio professional 2010, microsoft project 2010. so any one got any suggestions. i did throw him a couple of ideas, my star trek site that i am rebuilding and extend, or a disability database. any ideas and suggestions would be welcome for a major project. marvin, from devonport, tasmania, australia. From nbrav003 at fiu.edu Tue Aug 2 01:53:03 2011 From: nbrav003 at fiu.edu (Nallym Bravo) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 21:53:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Moving Files and folders on the Mac? In-Reply-To: References: <0F453416-22E4-4CB8-8C7B-ABF412F0AD49@wavecable.com> Message-ID: Hi Nicole, If you're using OSx Lion, there's a new way to drag and drop files. Both the source and desired target locations must be on the screen for this to work. First, mark the item(s) you want to move using VO keys plus comma. Navegat to the target location. To drop the files you can press vo keys plus shift plus comma to drop the items before the voiceover cursor, vo plus period to drop the item on the voiceover cursor, or vo keys plus shift plus period to drop the item after the cursor. If you haven't upgraded yet, you can still drag and drop, but it's a little messier. Make sure that mouse tracking is turned on. 1. Move the voiceover cursor to the item you want to move. 2. Make sure that the mouse is locked by pressing vo command shift space. 3. Move the voiceover cursor to the desired location 4. Unlock the mouse by pressing vo command shift space. Hope this helps. Good luck! Nallym On Jul 29, 2011, at 7:52 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: > NIcole, > > You can't move files and folders in Snow Leopard on the Mac unless you use a program called Move Addict. I think this is available in the app store. I don't know much about it, because I don't use it. I just copy the files, and then delete them from the folder I wanted to move them from. I think this is a safe guard by Apple to keep folks from losing data. > > I do hear that you can move files in Lion though. I have not upgraded to Lion yet. To copy and paste you press command C and then command V to paste. To move, you type command C to copy and command/option/V to paste. The files will then be deleted from their original folder and be placed in the new one. > > hth > On Jul 29, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Nicole Torcolini at Home wrote: > >> I know that this is a rather silly question, but how do you move files and folders on the Mac? The cut menu item is not available. >> >> Thanks, >> Nicole >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kimthurman%40insightbb.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nbrav003%40fiu.edu From ignasicambra at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 09:17:22 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 05:17:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Moving Files and folders on the Mac? In-Reply-To: References: <0F453416-22E4-4CB8-8C7B-ABF412F0AD49@wavecable.com> Message-ID: <8C95E25D-DC57-4933-A961-DA1D95B9BA7F@gmail.com> Hello, You can use an apple script to move files. Basically make a script that will tell the terminal app to move a file to a target location, and assign a keystroke to it by using keyboard commander. Whenever you use your keystroke, you will be prompted to select a file and a location. I think someone made a script and put it online, but I'm not sure where it is. If you are using Lion you can just move files with standard OS X keystrokes. Command c to copy, and command option v to move whatever you copied. On Aug 1, 2011, at 9:53 PM, Nallym Bravo wrote: > Hi Nicole, > If you're using OSx Lion, there's a new way to drag and drop files. > Both the source and desired target locations must be on the screen for this to work. > First, mark the item(s) you want to move using VO keys plus comma. Navegat to the target location. To drop the files you can press vo keys plus shift plus comma to drop the items before the voiceover cursor, vo plus period to drop the item on the voiceover cursor, or vo keys plus shift plus period to drop the item after the cursor. > > If you haven't upgraded yet, you can still drag and drop, but it's a little messier. > Make sure that mouse tracking is turned on. > 1. Move the voiceover cursor to the item you want to move. > 2. Make sure that the mouse is locked by pressing vo command shift space. > 3. Move the voiceover cursor to the desired location > 4. Unlock the mouse by pressing vo command shift space. > > Hope this helps. Good luck! > > Nallym > > On Jul 29, 2011, at 7:52 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: > >> NIcole, >> >> You can't move files and folders in Snow Leopard on the Mac unless you use a program called Move Addict. I think this is available in the app store. I don't know much about it, because I don't use it. I just copy the files, and then delete them from the folder I wanted to move them from. I think this is a safe guard by Apple to keep folks from losing data. >> >> I do hear that you can move files in Lion though. I have not upgraded to Lion yet. To copy and paste you press command C and then command V to paste. To move, you type command C to copy and command/option/V to paste. The files will then be deleted from their original folder and be placed in the new one. >> >> hth >> On Jul 29, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Nicole Torcolini at Home wrote: >> >>> I know that this is a rather silly question, but how do you move files and folders on the Mac? The cut menu item is not available. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Nicole >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kimthurman%40insightbb.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nbrav003%40fiu.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 09:17:22 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 05:17:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Moving Files and folders on the Mac? In-Reply-To: References: <0F453416-22E4-4CB8-8C7B-ABF412F0AD49@wavecable.com> Message-ID: <8C95E25D-DC57-4933-A961-DA1D95B9BA7F@gmail.com> Hello, You can use an apple script to move files. Basically make a script that will tell the terminal app to move a file to a target location, and assign a keystroke to it by using keyboard commander. Whenever you use your keystroke, you will be prompted to select a file and a location. I think someone made a script and put it online, but I'm not sure where it is. If you are using Lion you can just move files with standard OS X keystrokes. Command c to copy, and command option v to move whatever you copied. On Aug 1, 2011, at 9:53 PM, Nallym Bravo wrote: > Hi Nicole, > If you're using OSx Lion, there's a new way to drag and drop files. > Both the source and desired target locations must be on the screen for this to work. > First, mark the item(s) you want to move using VO keys plus comma. Navegat to the target location. To drop the files you can press vo keys plus shift plus comma to drop the items before the voiceover cursor, vo plus period to drop the item on the voiceover cursor, or vo keys plus shift plus period to drop the item after the cursor. > > If you haven't upgraded yet, you can still drag and drop, but it's a little messier. > Make sure that mouse tracking is turned on. > 1. Move the voiceover cursor to the item you want to move. > 2. Make sure that the mouse is locked by pressing vo command shift space. > 3. Move the voiceover cursor to the desired location > 4. Unlock the mouse by pressing vo command shift space. > > Hope this helps. Good luck! > > Nallym > > On Jul 29, 2011, at 7:52 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: > >> NIcole, >> >> You can't move files and folders in Snow Leopard on the Mac unless you use a program called Move Addict. I think this is available in the app store. I don't know much about it, because I don't use it. I just copy the files, and then delete them from the folder I wanted to move them from. I think this is a safe guard by Apple to keep folks from losing data. >> >> I do hear that you can move files in Lion though. I have not upgraded to Lion yet. To copy and paste you press command C and then command V to paste. To move, you type command C to copy and command/option/V to paste. The files will then be deleted from their original folder and be placed in the new one. >> >> hth >> On Jul 29, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Nicole Torcolini at Home wrote: >> >>> I know that this is a rather silly question, but how do you move files and folders on the Mac? The cut menu item is not available. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Nicole >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kimthurman%40insightbb.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nbrav003%40fiu.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 15:16:37 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:16:37 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Moving Files and folders on the Mac? In-Reply-To: References: <0F453416-22E4-4CB8-8C7B-ABF412F0AD49@wavecable.com> Message-ID: <20110802151637.GE3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> With Lion, you can Cmd-C to copy files, then Cmd-Option-V to Move files to their destination. Supposedly this makes more sense than Cut/Paste since the files are not actually removed until they are created in the destination spot. If power is lost to the computer (or otherwise the system crashes) after a Cut and before a Paste, what happens to the files on Windows systems? I’m certain they aren’t deleted, but how do you explain where they’ve been moved to a non-technical user? The Mac (and UNIX) way is simple: The files are where they were, and they’re not removed from where they were until after they’ve been properly relocated. Either by linking the inode (UNIX nerd for "the place where the file is located on the hard drive) to the new directory before unlinking it from the old, or by creating a fresh copy of the file when that’s not possible (across hard drives). Hence Copy and an option to turn Paste into Paste and Move the Original Here. Joseph - kf7qzc On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 09:53:03PM -0400, Nallym Bravo wrote: >Hi Nicole, >If you're using OSx Lion, there's a new way to drag and drop files. >Both the source and desired target locations must be on the screen for this to work. >First, mark the item(s) you want to move using VO keys plus comma. Navegat to the target location. To drop the files you can press vo keys plus shift plus comma to drop the items before the voiceover cursor, vo plus period to drop the item on the voiceover cursor, or vo keys plus shift plus period to drop the item after the cursor. > >If you haven't upgraded yet, you can still drag and drop, but it's a little messier. >Make sure that mouse tracking is turned on. >1. Move the voiceover cursor to the item you want to move. >2. Make sure that the mouse is locked by pressing vo command shift space. >3. Move the voiceover cursor to the desired location >4. Unlock the mouse by pressing vo command shift space. > >Hope this helps. Good luck! > >Nallym > > On Jul 29, 2011, at 7:52 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: > >> NIcole, >> >> You can't move files and folders in Snow Leopard on the Mac unless you use a program called Move Addict. I think this is available in the app store. I don't know much about it, because I don't use it. I just copy the files, and then delete them from the folder I wanted to move them from. I think this is a safe guard by Apple to keep folks from losing data. >> >> I do hear that you can move files in Lion though. I have not upgraded to Lion yet. To copy and paste you press command C and then command V to paste. To move, you type command C to copy and command/option/V to paste. The files will then be deleted from their original folder and be placed in the new one. >> >> hth >> On Jul 29, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Nicole Torcolini at Home wrote: >> >>> I know that this is a rather silly question, but how do you move files and folders on the Mac? The cut menu item is not available. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Nicole >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kimthurman%40insightbb.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nbrav003%40fiu.edu > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 15:33:14 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 11:33:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas Message-ID: <4e3818e2.0a76970a.25a5.41f3@mx.google.com> ---- Original Message ------ From: Mathew Orzechowski , Mathew Orzechowski , Mary Orzechowski , KatieB , Bonnie Orzechowski References: <4e3818e2.0a76970a.25a5.41f3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000b01cc5147$d4dbe350$7e93a9f0$@com> They could have just taken the GPS out of the car. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:33 AM To: Mom; Mom Mom; lbnonapplejack at embarqmail.com; Josh Gregory; Nathan Clark; Gary Legates; Steve Patterson; Aunt Susan; carlos.lopez.1209 at gmail.com; arigeogirl at gmail.com; jacyhaas at comcast.net; soccercrazy26 at hotmail.com; vpdfootball at yahoo.com; barewoodhouse at yahoo.com; nuspaint620 at yahoo.com Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas ---- Original Message ------ From: Mathew Orzechowski , Mathew Orzechowski , Mary Orzechowski , KatieB , Bonnie Orzechowski References: <4e3818e2.0a76970a.25a5.41f3@mx.google.com> <000b01cc5147$d4dbe350$7e93a9f0$@com> Message-ID: I use to be able to see colours and I can still see light or dark, but I am losing vission and have trouble seeing spesific colours. I know what most of my clothes look like, but there are some shirts that are the same shirts but in different colours, like tank tops and such. I know some people use the mettle brail tags to denote colours. My question to all of you who use them is; Are they practical? Do they itch your skin, or are they not noticeable when you where them? If you do not use them how elts do you identify clothes that look alike in fabrik and style but are different colours? -----Original Message----- From: Aubrie Lucas Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:10 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas They could have just taken the GPS out of the car. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:33 AM To: Mom; Mom Mom; lbnonapplejack at embarqmail.com; Josh Gregory; Nathan Clark; Gary Legates; Steve Patterson; Aunt Susan; carlos.lopez.1209 at gmail.com; arigeogirl at gmail.com; jacyhaas at comcast.net; soccercrazy26 at hotmail.com; vpdfootball at yahoo.com; barewoodhouse at yahoo.com; nuspaint620 at yahoo.com Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas ---- Original Message ------ From: Mathew Orzechowski , Mathew Orzechowski , Mary Orzechowski , KatieB , Bonnie Orzechowski Hi All, I’m trying to access Google Maps walking directions with JAWS. I click on Get Directions, then try hitting enter on Walking, and nothing happens. I try to get to walking with the jaws cursor, but nothing happens either. So I can only access the driving directions no walking, bicycle, or public transit. Any thoughts on how to do this with Google Maps? Ian From carlymih at earthlink.net Tue Aug 2 22:49:07 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis Esq.) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 15:49:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] colour and clothes In-Reply-To: References: <4e3818e2.0a76970a.25a5.41f3@mx.google.com> <000b01cc5147$d4dbe350$7e93a9f0$@com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110802153541.01cc6220@earthlink.net> 'Afternoon, Andi, Since you have partial vision, our persspectives may differ. I am a total. When I was a pre-teen however, what color something might be and whether two items of clothing "matched," meant more to me than someone might think, although I had never ocularly "seen," the clothes. As I have matured however, what color something might be hardly even flits accross my thinker. I would say that, if colors of things concerns you that much, then you might try those labels yet, there are people duying pointlessly in the world, have you heard? --Original Message----- From: Aubrie Lucas >Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:10 PM >To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas > >They could have just taken the GPS out of the car. > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >Of Chris Nusbaum >Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:33 AM >To: Mom; Mom Mom; lbnonapplejack at embarqmail.com; Josh Gregory; Nathan Clark; >Gary Legates; Steve Patterson; Aunt Susan; carlos.lopez.1209 at gmail.com; >arigeogirl at gmail.com; jacyhaas at comcast.net; soccercrazy26 at hotmail.com; >vpdfootball at yahoo.com; barewoodhouse at yahoo.com; nuspaint620 at yahoo.com >Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas > > > >---- Original Message ------ >From: Mathew Orzechowski Subject: Fwd: Some good ideas >Date sent: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 09:49:50 -0500 > > > >Begin forwarded message: > >From: Mike Orzechowski Date: August 1, 2011 9:40:02 AM CDT >To: Bonnie Orzechowski , Mathew Orzechowski >, Mary Orzechowski >, KatieB , >Bonnie Orzechowski Subject: FW: Some good ideas > > > >Sent from my Windows Mobile phone > >From: Metin Sakarcan Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:37 AM >To: Metin Sakarcan Subject: Some good ideas > > >Certainly are good ideas. > > >This is worth reminding. > >This gives us something to think about with all our new >electronic technology. >GPS >A friend had their car broken into while they were at a >football game. Their carwas parked on the green which was >adjacent to the football stadium and specially allotted to >football fans. Things stolen from the car included a garage >door remote control, some money and a GPS which had been >prominently mounted on the dashboard. >When the victims got home, they found that their house had >been ransacked and just about everything worth anything had been >stolen. >The thieves had used the GPS to guide them to the house. >Theythen used the garage remote control to open the garage door >and gain entry to the house. The thieves knew the owners were >at the football game, they knew what time the game was scheduled >to finish and so theyknew how much time they had to clean out >the house. It appeared thatthey had brought a truck to empty >the house of its contents. >Something to consider if you have a GPS - don't put your home >address in it. Put a nearby address (like a store or gas >station) so you can still find your way home if you need to, but >no one else would know where you live if your GPS were stolen. >MOBILE PHONES -- I would never have thought of this....... >This lady has now changed her habit of how she lists her >nameson her mobile phone after her handbag was stolen. Her >handbag, which contained her cell phone, credit card, wallet... >etc... was stolen. >20 minutes later when she called her hubby, from a pay >phonetelling him what had happened, hubby says 'I received your >text asking about our Pin number and I've replied a little while >ago.' >When they rushed down to the bank, the bank staff told them >allthe money was already withdrawn. The thief had actually >used the stolen cell phone to text 'hubby' in the contact list >and got hold of the pin number. Within 20 minutes he had >withdrawn all the money from their bank account. >Moral of the lesson: >Do not disclose the relationship between you and the people in >your contact list. >Avoid using names like Home, Honey, Hubby, Sweetheart, Dad, >Mom, etc.... >And very importantly, when sensitive info is being >askedthrough texts, CONFIRM by calling back. > >Also, when you're being text by friends or family to meet them >somewhere, be sure to call back to confirm that the message came >fromthem. If you don't reach them, be very careful about going >places to meet'family and friends' who text you. >*PLEASE PASS THIS ON >* I never thought about the above! >As of now, I no longer have'home' listed on my cell phone. >Even if this does not pertain to you....Pass it on to your >family & friends > > >The information contained in this email may be confidential >and/or legally privileged. It has been sent for the sole use of >the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not >an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, >distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its >contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email >and destroy all copies of the original message. > >The information contained in this email may be confidential >and/or legally privileged. It has been sent for the sole use of >the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not >an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, >distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its >contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email >and destroy all copies of the original message. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.co >m > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40gmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 00:06:44 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 20:06:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] colour and clothes In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110802153541.01cc6220@earthlink.net> References: <4e3818e2.0a76970a.25a5.41f3@mx.google.com> <000b01cc5147$d4dbe350$7e93a9f0$@com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110802153541.01cc6220@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I memorize what my close look like and do not have issues with it. You can get a color identifier to use. There are these pens that you can use that has some label thing that comes with it and you can use on them or just try to get clothes that are all different in some form or another and then remember what one looks like what. As for Carly This lady asked a reasonable question and is using this email list in the manner in which it was designed for. Your crude remark was not needed. Please think before you speak, for there will always be someone who will remember. Your comment was I would say that, if colors of things concerns you that much, then you might try those labels yet, there are people duying pointlessly in the world, have you heard? On 8/2/11, Carly Mihalakis Esq. wrote: > > > 'Afternoon, Andi, > > Since you have partial vision, our persspectives may differ. I am a > total. When I was a pre-teen however, what color something might be > and whether two items of clothing "matched," meant more to me than > someone might think, although I had never ocularly "seen," the clothes. > As I have matured however, what color something might be hardly even > flits accross my thinker. > I would say that, if colors of things concerns you that much, then > you might try those labels yet, there are people duying pointlessly > in the world, have you heard? --Original Message----- From: Aubrie Lucas >>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:10 PM >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas >> >>They could have just taken the GPS out of the car. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >>Of Chris Nusbaum >>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:33 AM >>To: Mom; Mom Mom; lbnonapplejack at embarqmail.com; Josh Gregory; Nathan >> Clark; >>Gary Legates; Steve Patterson; Aunt Susan; carlos.lopez.1209 at gmail.com; >>arigeogirl at gmail.com; jacyhaas at comcast.net; soccercrazy26 at hotmail.com; >>vpdfootball at yahoo.com; barewoodhouse at yahoo.com; nuspaint620 at yahoo.com >>Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas >> >> >> >>---- Original Message ------ >>From: Mathew Orzechowski >Subject: Fwd: Some good ideas >>Date sent: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 09:49:50 -0500 >> >> >> >>Begin forwarded message: >> >>From: Mike Orzechowski >Date: August 1, 2011 9:40:02 AM CDT >>To: Bonnie Orzechowski , Mathew Orzechowski >>, Mary Orzechowski >>, KatieB , >>Bonnie Orzechowski >Subject: FW: Some good ideas >> >> >> >>Sent from my Windows Mobile phone >> >>From: Metin Sakarcan >Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:37 AM >>To: Metin Sakarcan >Subject: Some good ideas >> >> >>Certainly are good ideas. >> >> >>This is worth reminding. >> >>This gives us something to think about with all our new >>electronic technology. >>GPS >>A friend had their car broken into while they were at a >>football game. Their carwas parked on the green which was >>adjacent to the football stadium and specially allotted to >>football fans. Things stolen from the car included a garage >>door remote control, some money and a GPS which had been >>prominently mounted on the dashboard. >>When the victims got home, they found that their house had >>been ransacked and just about everything worth anything had been >>stolen. >>The thieves had used the GPS to guide them to the house. >>Theythen used the garage remote control to open the garage door >>and gain entry to the house. The thieves knew the owners were >>at the football game, they knew what time the game was scheduled >>to finish and so theyknew how much time they had to clean out >>the house. It appeared thatthey had brought a truck to empty >>the house of its contents. >>Something to consider if you have a GPS - don't put your home >>address in it. Put a nearby address (like a store or gas >>station) so you can still find your way home if you need to, but >>no one else would know where you live if your GPS were stolen. >>MOBILE PHONES -- I would never have thought of this....... >>This lady has now changed her habit of how she lists her >>nameson her mobile phone after her handbag was stolen. Her >>handbag, which contained her cell phone, credit card, wallet... >>etc... was stolen. >>20 minutes later when she called her hubby, from a pay >>phonetelling him what had happened, hubby says 'I received your >>text asking about our Pin number and I've replied a little while >>ago.' >>When they rushed down to the bank, the bank staff told them >>allthe money was already withdrawn. The thief had actually >>used the stolen cell phone to text 'hubby' in the contact list >>and got hold of the pin number. Within 20 minutes he had >>withdrawn all the money from their bank account. >>Moral of the lesson: >>Do not disclose the relationship between you and the people in >>your contact list. >>Avoid using names like Home, Honey, Hubby, Sweetheart, Dad, >>Mom, etc.... >>And very importantly, when sensitive info is being >>askedthrough texts, CONFIRM by calling back. >> >>Also, when you're being text by friends or family to meet them >>somewhere, be sure to call back to confirm that the message came >>fromthem. If you don't reach them, be very careful about going >>places to meet'family and friends' who text you. >>*PLEASE PASS THIS ON >>* I never thought about the above! >>As of now, I no longer have'home' listed on my cell phone. >>Even if this does not pertain to you....Pass it on to your >>family & friends >> >> >>The information contained in this email may be confidential >>and/or legally privileged. It has been sent for the sole use of >>the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not >>an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >>unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, >>distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its >>contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >>communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email >>and destroy all copies of the original message. >> >>The information contained in this email may be confidential >>and/or legally privileged. It has been sent for the sole use of >>the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not >>an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >>unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, >>distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its >>contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >>communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email >>and destroy all copies of the original message. >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.co >>m >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40gmail.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 00:47:13 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 20:47:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] another Skype question Message-ID: -- Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) Visit Camp Abilities online at: www.campabilities.org Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info. Sent from the Gmail Web site: www.gmail.com. Hi all, Okay, I have downloaded the JAWS script for Skype! How refreshing to know that there's actually an accessible version of Skype! Now, I have a question. How do I add contacts with Skype and JAWS? I'm just exploring right now by hitting tab and down arrow, and I'm not finding a link or anything. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks! From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 01:14:29 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:14:29 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] another Skype question Message-ID: <4e38a0fb.6423440a.54c6.1ec9@mx.google.com> I have an Add Contact button somewhere in my Skype. So when you go to the Add Contact button, hit that. Then, you go to a page it brings up. If you have a particular Skype name you want to search for, all you have to do is remember the skype name or paste it into a certain Edit field. Then you hit enter and it automatically brings up the results. Hit the add button by pressing Enter. You have to wait for the person on the other end to authorize your invite. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: chris nusbaum References: <4e38a0fb.6423440a.54c6.1ec9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Beth, Thanks! I'll take another look. On 8/2/11, Beth wrote: > I have an Add Contact button somewhere in my Skype. So when you > go to the Add Contact button, hit that. Then, you go to a page > it brings up. If you have a particular Skype name you want to > search for, all you have to do is remember the skype name or > paste it into a certain Edit field. Then you hit enter and it > automatically brings up the results. Hit the add button by > pressing Enter. You have to wait for the person on the other end > to authorize your invite. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 20:47:13 -0400 > Subject: [nabs-l] another Skype question > > -- > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > Visit Camp Abilities online at: www.campabilities.org > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info. > > Sent from the Gmail Web site: www.gmail.com. > > Hi all, > > Okay, I have downloaded the JAWS script for Skype! How refreshing > to > know that there's actually an accessible version of Skype! Now, I > have > a question. How do I add contacts with Skype and JAWS? I'm just > exploring right now by hitting tab and down arrow, and I'm not > finding > a link or anything. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > sloose%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) Visit Camp Abilities online at: www.campabilities.org Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info. Sent from the Gmail Web site: www.gmail.com. From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 03:07:12 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 21:07:12 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] colour and clothes In-Reply-To: References: <4e3818e2.0a76970a.25a5.41f3@mx.google.com> <000b01cc5147$d4dbe350$7e93a9f0$@com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110802153541.01cc6220@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi all, I have used the Braille color tags and they are handy, and don't show or cause itching or discomfort. I don't use them much myself because I just don't have the skill or patience to sew them into all my clothes. You can use other tactile methods, like putting a certain number of safety pins on the tag to denote colors or distinguishing two tops that feel the same by putting a safety pin in one. Honestly, I have been able to circumvent much of the color problem by wearing lots of blue jeans (which go with everything), black slacks or skirts for business casual (which go with almost everything), and dresses for formalwear (which are one-piece outfits). I do try to choose tops and dresses that are fashionable and varied in color and style. However, that's just me, and I know lots of blind people who like to be more creative than that with colors, and are able to do so. On 8/2/11, Lea williams wrote: > I memorize what my close look like and do not have issues with it. You > can get a color identifier to use. There are these pens that you can > use that has some label thing that comes with it and you can use on > them or just try to get clothes that are all different in some form or > another and then remember what one looks like what. > > As for Carly > This lady asked a reasonable question and is using this email list in > the manner in which it was designed for. Your crude remark was not > needed. Please think before you speak, for there will always be > someone who will remember. > > Your comment was > I would say that, if colors of things concerns you that much, then you > might try those labels yet, there are people duying pointlessly in the > world, have > you heard? > > > On 8/2/11, Carly Mihalakis Esq. wrote: >> >> >> 'Afternoon, Andi, >> >> Since you have partial vision, our persspectives may differ. I am a >> total. When I was a pre-teen however, what color something might be >> and whether two items of clothing "matched," meant more to me than >> someone might think, although I had never ocularly "seen," the clothes. >> As I have matured however, what color something might be hardly even >> flits accross my thinker. >> I would say that, if colors of things concerns you that much, then >> you might try those labels yet, there are people duying pointlessly >> in the world, have you heard? --Original Message----- From: Aubrie Lucas >>>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:10 PM >>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas >>> >>>They could have just taken the GPS out of the car. >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>>Of Chris Nusbaum >>>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:33 AM >>>To: Mom; Mom Mom; lbnonapplejack at embarqmail.com; Josh Gregory; Nathan >>> Clark; >>>Gary Legates; Steve Patterson; Aunt Susan; carlos.lopez.1209 at gmail.com; >>>arigeogirl at gmail.com; jacyhaas at comcast.net; soccercrazy26 at hotmail.com; >>>vpdfootball at yahoo.com; barewoodhouse at yahoo.com; nuspaint620 at yahoo.com >>>Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas >>> >>> >>> >>>---- Original Message ------ >>>From: Mathew Orzechowski >>Subject: Fwd: Some good ideas >>>Date sent: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 09:49:50 -0500 >>> >>> >>> >>>Begin forwarded message: >>> >>>From: Mike Orzechowski >>Date: August 1, 2011 9:40:02 AM CDT >>>To: Bonnie Orzechowski , Mathew Orzechowski >>>, Mary Orzechowski >>>, KatieB , >>>Bonnie Orzechowski >>Subject: FW: Some good ideas >>> >>> >>> >>>Sent from my Windows Mobile phone >>> >>>From: Metin Sakarcan >>Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:37 AM >>>To: Metin Sakarcan >>Subject: Some good ideas >>> >>> >>>Certainly are good ideas. >>> >>> >>>This is worth reminding. >>> >>>This gives us something to think about with all our new >>>electronic technology. >>>GPS >>>A friend had their car broken into while they were at a >>>football game. Their carwas parked on the green which was >>>adjacent to the football stadium and specially allotted to >>>football fans. Things stolen from the car included a garage >>>door remote control, some money and a GPS which had been >>>prominently mounted on the dashboard. >>>When the victims got home, they found that their house had >>>been ransacked and just about everything worth anything had been >>>stolen. >>>The thieves had used the GPS to guide them to the house. >>>Theythen used the garage remote control to open the garage door >>>and gain entry to the house. The thieves knew the owners were >>>at the football game, they knew what time the game was scheduled >>>to finish and so theyknew how much time they had to clean out >>>the house. It appeared thatthey had brought a truck to empty >>>the house of its contents. >>>Something to consider if you have a GPS - don't put your home >>>address in it. Put a nearby address (like a store or gas >>>station) so you can still find your way home if you need to, but >>>no one else would know where you live if your GPS were stolen. >>>MOBILE PHONES -- I would never have thought of this....... >>>This lady has now changed her habit of how she lists her >>>nameson her mobile phone after her handbag was stolen. Her >>>handbag, which contained her cell phone, credit card, wallet... >>>etc... was stolen. >>>20 minutes later when she called her hubby, from a pay >>>phonetelling him what had happened, hubby says 'I received your >>>text asking about our Pin number and I've replied a little while >>>ago.' >>>When they rushed down to the bank, the bank staff told them >>>allthe money was already withdrawn. The thief had actually >>>used the stolen cell phone to text 'hubby' in the contact list >>>and got hold of the pin number. Within 20 minutes he had >>>withdrawn all the money from their bank account. >>>Moral of the lesson: >>>Do not disclose the relationship between you and the people in >>>your contact list. >>>Avoid using names like Home, Honey, Hubby, Sweetheart, Dad, >>>Mom, etc.... >>>And very importantly, when sensitive info is being >>>askedthrough texts, CONFIRM by calling back. >>> >>>Also, when you're being text by friends or family to meet them >>>somewhere, be sure to call back to confirm that the message came >>>fromthem. If you don't reach them, be very careful about going >>>places to meet'family and friends' who text you. >>>*PLEASE PASS THIS ON >>>* I never thought about the above! >>>As of now, I no longer have'home' listed on my cell phone. >>>Even if this does not pertain to you....Pass it on to your >>>family & friends >>> >>> >>>The information contained in this email may be confidential >>>and/or legally privileged. It has been sent for the sole use of >>>the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not >>>an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >>>unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, >>>distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its >>>contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >>>communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email >>>and destroy all copies of the original message. >>> >>>The information contained in this email may be confidential >>>and/or legally privileged. It has been sent for the sole use of >>>the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not >>>an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >>>unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, >>>distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its >>>contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >>>communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email >>>and destroy all copies of the original message. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.co >>>m >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 03:51:43 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 21:51:43 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] colour and clothes Message-ID: <4e38c5d6.8406440a.5073.2cb6@mx.google.com> I actually did the safety pin thing, Arielle. It helps me tell which piece of clothing goes with what. I also have one of those Colorino Color identifiers. It's amazing. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Arielle Silverman wrote: I memorize what my close look like and do not have issues with it. You can get a color identifier to use. There are these pens that you can use that has some label thing that comes with it and you can use on them or just try to get clothes that are all different in some form or another and then remember what one looks like what. As for Carly This lady asked a reasonable question and is using this email list in the manner in which it was designed for. Your crude remark was not needed. Please think before you speak, for there will always be someone who will remember. Your comment was I would say that, if colors of things concerns you that much, then you might try those labels yet, there are people duying pointlessly in the world, have you heard? On 8/2/11, Carly Mihalakis Esq. wrote: 'Afternoon, Andi, Since you have partial vision, our persspectives may differ. I am a total. When I was a pre-teen however, what color something might be and whether two items of clothing "matched," meant more to me than someone might think, although I had never ocularly "seen," the clothes. As I have matured however, what color something might be hardly even flits accross my thinker. I would say that, if colors of things concerns you that much, then you might try those labels yet, there are people duying pointlessly in the world, have you heard? --Original Message----- From: Aubrie Lucas Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:10 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas They could have just taken the GPS out of the car. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:33 AM To: Mom; Mom Mom; lbnonapplejack at embarqmail.com; Josh Gregory; Nathan Clark; Gary Legates; Steve Patterson; Aunt Susan; carlos.lopez.1209 at gmail.com; arigeogirl at gmail.com; jacyhaas at comcast.net; soccercrazy26 at hotmail.com; vpdfootball at yahoo.com; barewoodhouse at yahoo.com; nuspaint620 at yahoo.com Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas ---- Original Message ------ From: Mathew Orzechowski , Mathew Orzechowski , Mary Orzechowski , KatieB , Bonnie Orzechowski Hello Nabs, Does anybody know if the latest version of Adobe reader 10.1 is accessible with JAWS 12? how about the 64-bit version of adobe reader 10.1? I'm trying to install it on my new laptop and I want to make sure that it's accessible. -- Humberto Avila Please consider the environment Before Printing this email. From carlymih at earthlink.net Wed Aug 3 05:45:48 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis Esq.) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 22:45:48 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] colour and clothes In-Reply-To: References: <4e3818e2.0a76970a.25a5.41f3@mx.google.com> <000b01cc5147$d4dbe350$7e93a9f0$@com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110802153541.01cc6220@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110802222357.01d00ef8@earthlink.net> 'Evening, Leah, Admittedly, that was a very flippant and insensitive, even abusive comment. I can imagine the last thing Leah needs to hear is some bitch, who happens to be comfortable living as a blind person, hassling her over merely being curious about what colors she is wearing. I am sorry for not thinking before I speak. This board is not for people who spew their judge mental-sounding, opinions. Please, forgive me? for today, Car >On 8/2/11, Carly Mihalakis Esq. wrote: > > > > > > 'Afternoon, Andi, > > > > Since you have partial vision, our persspectives may differ. I am a > > total. When I was a pre-teen however, what color something might be > > and whether two items of clothing "matched," meant more to me than > > someone might think, although I had never ocularly "seen," the clothes. > > As I have matured however, what color something might be hardly even > > flits accross my thinker. > > I would say that, if colors of things concerns you that much, then > > you might try those labels yet, there are people duying pointlessly > > in the world, have you heard? --Original Message----- From: Aubrie Lucas > >>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:10 PM > >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas > >> > >>They could have just taken the GPS out of the car. > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > >> Behalf > >>Of Chris Nusbaum > >>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:33 AM > >>To: Mom; Mom Mom; lbnonapplejack at embarqmail.com; Josh Gregory; Nathan > >> Clark; > >>Gary Legates; Steve Patterson; Aunt Susan; carlos.lopez.1209 at gmail.com; > >>arigeogirl at gmail.com; jacyhaas at comcast.net; soccercrazy26 at hotmail.com; > >>vpdfootball at yahoo.com; barewoodhouse at yahoo.com; nuspaint620 at yahoo.com > >>Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas > >> > >> > >> > >>---- Original Message ------ > >>From: Mathew Orzechowski >>Subject: Fwd: Some good ideas > >>Date sent: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 09:49:50 -0500 > >> > >> > >> > >>Begin forwarded message: > >> > >>From: Mike Orzechowski >>Date: August 1, 2011 9:40:02 AM CDT > >>To: Bonnie Orzechowski , Mathew Orzechowski > >>, Mary Orzechowski > >>, KatieB , > >>Bonnie Orzechowski >>Subject: FW: Some good ideas > >> > >> > >> > >>Sent from my Windows Mobile phone > >> > >>From: Metin Sakarcan >>Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:37 AM > >>To: Metin Sakarcan >>Subject: Some good ideas > >> > >> > >>Certainly are good ideas. > >> > >> > >>This is worth reminding. > >> > >>This gives us something to think about with all our new > >>electronic technology. > >>GPS > >>A friend had their car broken into while they were at a > >>football game. Their carwas parked on the green which was > >>adjacent to the football stadium and specially allotted to > >>football fans. Things stolen from the car included a garage > >>door remote control, some money and a GPS which had been > >>prominently mounted on the dashboard. > >>When the victims got home, they found that their house had > >>been ransacked and just about everything worth anything had been > >>stolen. > >>The thieves had used the GPS to guide them to the house. > >>Theythen used the garage remote control to open the garage door > >>and gain entry to the house. The thieves knew the owners were > >>at the football game, they knew what time the game was scheduled > >>to finish and so theyknew how much time they had to clean out > >>the house. It appeared thatthey had brought a truck to empty > >>the house of its contents. > >>Something to consider if you have a GPS - don't put your home > >>address in it. Put a nearby address (like a store or gas > >>station) so you can still find your way home if you need to, but > >>no one else would know where you live if your GPS were stolen. > >>MOBILE PHONES -- I would never have thought of this....... > >>This lady has now changed her habit of how she lists her > >>nameson her mobile phone after her handbag was stolen. Her > >>handbag, which contained her cell phone, credit card, wallet... > >>etc... was stolen. > >>20 minutes later when she called her hubby, from a pay > >>phonetelling him what had happened, hubby says 'I received your > >>text asking about our Pin number and I've replied a little while > >>ago.' > >>When they rushed down to the bank, the bank staff told them > >>allthe money was already withdrawn. The thief had actually > >>used the stolen cell phone to text 'hubby' in the contact list > >>and got hold of the pin number. Within 20 minutes he had > >>withdrawn all the money from their bank account. > >>Moral of the lesson: > >>Do not disclose the relationship between you and the people in > >>your contact list. > >>Avoid using names like Home, Honey, Hubby, Sweetheart, Dad, > >>Mom, etc.... > >>And very importantly, when sensitive info is being > >>askedthrough texts, CONFIRM by calling back. > >> > >>Also, when you're being text by friends or family to meet them > >>somewhere, be sure to call back to confirm that the message came > >>fromthem. If you don't reach them, be very careful about going > >>places to meet'family and friends' who text you. > >>*PLEASE PASS THIS ON > >>* I never thought about the above! > >>As of now, I no longer have'home' listed on my cell phone. > >>Even if this does not pertain to you....Pass it on to your > >>family & friends > >> > >> > >>The information contained in this email may be confidential > >>and/or legally privileged. It has been sent for the sole use of > >>the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not > >>an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > >>unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, > >>distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its > >>contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > >>communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email > >>and destroy all copies of the original message. > >> > >>The information contained in this email may be confidential > >>and/or legally privileged. It has been sent for the sole use of > >>the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not > >>an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > >>unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, > >>distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its > >>contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > >>communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email > >>and destroy all copies of the original message. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>nabs-l: > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn% > 40gmail.co > >>m > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.d > empsey%40gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > > > > >-- >Lea Williams > >Phone; >704-732-4470 >Skipe; >Lea.williams738 >Facebook >http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 11:26:37 2011 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 07:26:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] colour and clothes In-Reply-To: References: <4e3818e2.0a76970a.25a5.41f3@mx.google.com> <000b01cc5147$d4dbe350$7e93a9f0$@com> Message-ID: <4B86FB50-A14C-4500-8819-D8D41CB633A7@gmail.com> Hi Andi, I've used the metal tags and rather than sew them into clothing safety pins have provided a nice work around. For the most part the tags are not irritating. If the tag is visible in a piece of clothing, I put the tag in a pocket and at the end of the day I reattach it to the clothing. I'd love to have a color identifier someday. Great question. Let us know what ya work out. Anjelina Sent from my iPhone On Aug 2, 2011, at 3:43 PM, "Andi" wrote: > I use to be able to see colours and I can still see light or dark, but I am losing vission and have trouble seeing spesific colours. I know what most of my clothes look like, but there are some shirts that are the same shirts but in different colours, like tank tops and such. I know some people use the mettle brail tags to denote colours. My question to all of you who use them is; Are they practical? Do they itch your skin, or are they not noticeable when you where them? If you do not use them how elts do you identify clothes that look alike in fabrik and style but are different colours? > > -----Original Message----- From: Aubrie Lucas > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:10 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas > > They could have just taken the GPS out of the car. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:33 AM > To: Mom; Mom Mom; lbnonapplejack at embarqmail.com; Josh Gregory; Nathan Clark; > Gary Legates; Steve Patterson; Aunt Susan; carlos.lopez.1209 at gmail.com; > arigeogirl at gmail.com; jacyhaas at comcast.net; soccercrazy26 at hotmail.com; > vpdfootball at yahoo.com; barewoodhouse at yahoo.com; nuspaint620 at yahoo.com > Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas > > > > ---- Original Message ------ > From: Mathew Orzechowski Subject: Fwd: Some good ideas > Date sent: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 09:49:50 -0500 > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Mike Orzechowski Date: August 1, 2011 9:40:02 AM CDT > To: Bonnie Orzechowski , Mathew Orzechowski > , Mary Orzechowski > , KatieB , > Bonnie Orzechowski Subject: FW: Some good ideas > > > > Sent from my Windows Mobile phone > > From: Metin Sakarcan Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:37 AM > To: Metin Sakarcan Subject: Some good ideas > > > Certainly are good ideas. > > > This is worth reminding. > > This gives us something to think about with all our new > electronic technology. > GPS > A friend had their car broken into while they were at a > football game. Their carwas parked on the green which was > adjacent to the football stadium and specially allotted to > football fans. Things stolen from the car included a garage > door remote control, some money and a GPS which had been > prominently mounted on the dashboard. > When the victims got home, they found that their house had > been ransacked and just about everything worth anything had been > stolen. > The thieves had used the GPS to guide them to the house. > Theythen used the garage remote control to open the garage door > and gain entry to the house. The thieves knew the owners were > at the football game, they knew what time the game was scheduled > to finish and so theyknew how much time they had to clean out > the house. It appeared thatthey had brought a truck to empty > the house of its contents. > Something to consider if you have a GPS - don't put your home > address in it. Put a nearby address (like a store or gas > station) so you can still find your way home if you need to, but > no one else would know where you live if your GPS were stolen. > MOBILE PHONES -- I would never have thought of this....... > This lady has now changed her habit of how she lists her > nameson her mobile phone after her handbag was stolen. Her > handbag, which contained her cell phone, credit card, wallet... > etc... was stolen. > 20 minutes later when she called her hubby, from a pay > phonetelling him what had happened, hubby says 'I received your > text asking about our Pin number and I've replied a little while > ago.' > When they rushed down to the bank, the bank staff told them > allthe money was already withdrawn. The thief had actually > used the stolen cell phone to text 'hubby' in the contact list > and got hold of the pin number. Within 20 minutes he had > withdrawn all the money from their bank account. > Moral of the lesson: > Do not disclose the relationship between you and the people in > your contact list. > Avoid using names like Home, Honey, Hubby, Sweetheart, Dad, > Mom, etc.... > And very importantly, when sensitive info is being > askedthrough texts, CONFIRM by calling back. > > Also, when you're being text by friends or family to meet them > somewhere, be sure to call back to confirm that the message came > fromthem. If you don't reach them, be very careful about going > places to meet'family and friends' who text you. > *PLEASE PASS THIS ON > * I never thought about the above! > As of now, I no longer have'home' listed on my cell phone. > Even if this does not pertain to you....Pass it on to your > family & friends > > > The information contained in this email may be confidential > and/or legally privileged. It has been sent for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not > an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, > distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its > contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email > and destroy all copies of the original message. > > The information contained in this email may be confidential > and/or legally privileged. It has been sent for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not > an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, > distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its > contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email > and destroy all copies of the original message. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com From cape.amanda at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 13:29:26 2011 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda Cape) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:29:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] colour and clothes In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110802153541.01cc6220@earthlink.net> References: <4e3818e2.0a76970a.25a5.41f3@mx.google.com> <000b01cc5147$d4dbe350$7e93a9f0$@com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110802153541.01cc6220@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Carly, what did you do when you were concerned about clothing colours? I am trying to find a good solution which has been a struggle since I was born. Amanda On 8/2/11, Carly Mihalakis Esq. wrote: > > > 'Afternoon, Andi, > > Since you have partial vision, our persspectives may differ. I am a > total. When I was a pre-teen however, what color something might be > and whether two items of clothing "matched," meant more to me than > someone might think, although I had never ocularly "seen," the clothes. > As I have matured however, what color something might be hardly even > flits accross my thinker. > I would say that, if colors of things concerns you that much, then > you might try those labels yet, there are people duying pointlessly > in the world, have you heard? --Original Message----- From: Aubrie Lucas >>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:10 PM >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas >> >>They could have just taken the GPS out of the car. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >>Of Chris Nusbaum >>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:33 AM >>To: Mom; Mom Mom; lbnonapplejack at embarqmail.com; Josh Gregory; Nathan >> Clark; >>Gary Legates; Steve Patterson; Aunt Susan; carlos.lopez.1209 at gmail.com; >>arigeogirl at gmail.com; jacyhaas at comcast.net; soccercrazy26 at hotmail.com; >>vpdfootball at yahoo.com; barewoodhouse at yahoo.com; nuspaint620 at yahoo.com >>Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas >> >> >> >>---- Original Message ------ >>From: Mathew Orzechowski >Subject: Fwd: Some good ideas >>Date sent: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 09:49:50 -0500 >> >> >> >>Begin forwarded message: >> >>From: Mike Orzechowski >Date: August 1, 2011 9:40:02 AM CDT >>To: Bonnie Orzechowski , Mathew Orzechowski >>, Mary Orzechowski >>, KatieB , >>Bonnie Orzechowski >Subject: FW: Some good ideas >> >> >> >>Sent from my Windows Mobile phone >> >>From: Metin Sakarcan >Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:37 AM >>To: Metin Sakarcan >Subject: Some good ideas >> >> >>Certainly are good ideas. >> >> >>This is worth reminding. >> >>This gives us something to think about with all our new >>electronic technology. >>GPS >>A friend had their car broken into while they were at a >>football game. Their carwas parked on the green which was >>adjacent to the football stadium and specially allotted to >>football fans. Things stolen from the car included a garage >>door remote control, some money and a GPS which had been >>prominently mounted on the dashboard. >>When the victims got home, they found that their house had >>been ransacked and just about everything worth anything had been >>stolen. >>The thieves had used the GPS to guide them to the house. >>Theythen used the garage remote control to open the garage door >>and gain entry to the house. The thieves knew the owners were >>at the football game, they knew what time the game was scheduled >>to finish and so theyknew how much time they had to clean out >>the house. It appeared thatthey had brought a truck to empty >>the house of its contents. >>Something to consider if you have a GPS - don't put your home >>address in it. Put a nearby address (like a store or gas >>station) so you can still find your way home if you need to, but >>no one else would know where you live if your GPS were stolen. >>MOBILE PHONES -- I would never have thought of this....... >>This lady has now changed her habit of how she lists her >>nameson her mobile phone after her handbag was stolen. Her >>handbag, which contained her cell phone, credit card, wallet... >>etc... was stolen. >>20 minutes later when she called her hubby, from a pay >>phonetelling him what had happened, hubby says 'I received your >>text asking about our Pin number and I've replied a little while >>ago.' >>When they rushed down to the bank, the bank staff told them >>allthe money was already withdrawn. The thief had actually >>used the stolen cell phone to text 'hubby' in the contact list >>and got hold of the pin number. Within 20 minutes he had >>withdrawn all the money from their bank account. >>Moral of the lesson: >>Do not disclose the relationship between you and the people in >>your contact list. >>Avoid using names like Home, Honey, Hubby, Sweetheart, Dad, >>Mom, etc.... >>And very importantly, when sensitive info is being >>askedthrough texts, CONFIRM by calling back. >> >>Also, when you're being text by friends or family to meet them >>somewhere, be sure to call back to confirm that the message came >>fromthem. If you don't reach them, be very careful about going >>places to meet'family and friends' who text you. >>*PLEASE PASS THIS ON >>* I never thought about the above! >>As of now, I no longer have'home' listed on my cell phone. >>Even if this does not pertain to you....Pass it on to your >>family & friends >> >> >>The information contained in this email may be confidential >>and/or legally privileged. It has been sent for the sole use of >>the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not >>an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >>unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, >>distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its >>contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >>communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email >>and destroy all copies of the original message. >> >>The information contained in this email may be confidential >>and/or legally privileged. It has been sent for the sole use of >>the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not >>an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >>unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, >>distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its >>contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >>communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email >>and destroy all copies of the original message. >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.co >>m >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40gmail.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 18:05:31 2011 From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:05:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] color and clothes Message-ID: <018501cc5207$f02902d0$d07b0870$@com> A lot of good advice here already. I would just add that it is often possible to find a way to tactilely identify garments without needing to label them. For instance, I have a few shirts that are the same style and feel the same, but are of different colors. I left the tag in the green one, tore the tag out of the yellow one, and partially ripped the tag on the black and white one. I also have a list of descriptions of ties that correspond with numbered tags I pin on each. If you understand which colors go well together and which do not, and you know what color your shirts are, you can coordinate. You can also note which parings of shirts and ties or skirts and tops go well together. While it isn't important that we as blind people make a statement with our color selections if we are not into fashion (which I am not), it is certainly important, in professional settings especially, that our clothes match and look decent. Notwithstanding all the dyeing children, cancer patients, and other misery in the world, the notion that what we wear and how we look doesn't matter is ridiculous. Surely there are blind people who have attained success with no regard to their personal appearance, but there are blind folks who have attained success without any number of important blindness skills. Does this mean that none of them are worth learning or worrying about? Certainly not. If I roll up into a meeting with brown slacks and a black jacket, like it or not, many people will focus more on that than what I have to say, and the professional competent image I try to present will be damaged. It's not hard to do, and it matters, so pay attention on some level to what you wear. All the best, Sean From carlymih at earthlink.net Wed Aug 3 17:30:28 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis Esq.) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 10:30:28 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] color and clothes In-Reply-To: References: <4e3818e2.0a76970a.25a5.41f3@mx.google.com> <000b01cc5147$d4dbe350$7e93a9f0$@com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110802153541.01cc6220@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110803100346.01cdf778@earthlink.net> Good morning, Amanda, In my time, I have experienced a few different systems of getting to the bottom of an, at times illusive, construct of color differentiation. First, when I was a very little kid, the living skillls instructor provided by the school district, helped me to divise a system for identifying colors. This system consisted of using plastic shoe horns with a braille label featuring the name of the color. The shoe horn then, was attached to the garment's, hanger. . Then, when I went to summer camp my Mom rolled a top, shorts and socks together to comprise the day's outfit. There were little outfit rolls that corresponded, to the days I would be at camp. The clothes were all scrupulously color cordinated complete with socks and a headband. Hope I answered the question and was helpful! for today, Car >On 8/2/11, Carly Mihalakis Esq. wrote: > > > > > > 'Afternoon, Andi, > > > > Since you have partial vision, our persspectives may differ. I am a > > total. When I was a pre-teen however, what color something might be > > and whether two items of clothing "matched," meant more to me than > > someone might think, although I had never ocularly "seen," the clothes. > > As I have matured however, what color something might be hardly even > > flits accross my thinker. > > I would say that, if colors of things concerns you that much, then > > you might try those labels yet, there are people duying pointlessly > > in the world, have you heard? --Original Message----- From: Aubrie Lucas > >>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:10 PM > >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas > >> > >>They could have just taken the GPS out of the car. > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > >> Behalf > >>Of Chris Nusbaum > >>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:33 AM > >>To: Mom; Mom Mom; lbnonapplejack at embarqmail.com; Josh Gregory; Nathan > >> Clark; > >>Gary Legates; Steve Patterson; Aunt Susan; carlos.lopez.1209 at gmail.com; > >>arigeogirl at gmail.com; jacyhaas at comcast.net; soccercrazy26 at hotmail.com; > >>vpdfootball at yahoo.com; barewoodhouse at yahoo.com; nuspaint620 at yahoo.com > >>Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas > >> > >> > >> > >>---- Original Message ------ > >>From: Mathew Orzechowski >>Subject: Fwd: Some good ideas > >>Date sent: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 09:49:50 -0500 > >> > >> > >> > >>Begin forwarded message: > >> > >>From: Mike Orzechowski >>Date: August 1, 2011 9:40:02 AM CDT > >>To: Bonnie Orzechowski , Mathew Orzechowski > >>, Mary Orzechowski > >>, KatieB , > >>Bonnie Orzechowski >>Subject: FW: Some good ideas > >> > >> > >> > >>Sent from my Windows Mobile phone > >> > >>From: Metin Sakarcan >>Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:37 AM > >>To: Metin Sakarcan >>Subject: Some good ideas > >> > >> > >>Certainly are good ideas. > >> > >> > >>This is worth reminding. > >> > >>This gives us something to think about with all our new > >>electronic technology. > >>GPS > >>A friend had their car broken into while they were at a > >>football game. Their carwas parked on the green which was > >>adjacent to the football stadium and specially allotted to > >>football fans. Things stolen from the car included a garage > >>door remote control, some money and a GPS which had been > >>prominently mounted on the dashboard. > >>When the victims got home, they found that their house had > >>been ransacked and just about everything worth anything had been > >>stolen. > >>The thieves had used the GPS to guide them to the house. > >>Theythen used the garage remote control to open the garage door > >>and gain entry to the house. The thieves knew the owners were > >>at the football game, they knew what time the game was scheduled > >>to finish and so theyknew how much time they had to clean out > >>the house. It appeared thatthey had brought a truck to empty > >>the house of its contents. > >>Something to consider if you have a GPS - don't put your home > >>address in it. Put a nearby address (like a store or gas > >>station) so you can still find your way home if you need to, but > >>no one else would know where you live if your GPS were stolen. > >>MOBILE PHONES -- I would never have thought of this....... > >>This lady has now changed her habit of how she lists her > >>nameson her mobile phone after her handbag was stolen. Her > >>handbag, which contained her cell phone, credit card, wallet... > >>etc... was stolen. > >>20 minutes later when she called her hubby, from a pay > >>phonetelling him what had happened, hubby says 'I received your > >>text asking about our Pin number and I've replied a little while > >>ago.' > >>When they rushed down to the bank, the bank staff told them > >>allthe money was already withdrawn. The thief had actually > >>used the stolen cell phone to text 'hubby' in the contact list > >>and got hold of the pin number. Within 20 minutes he had > >>withdrawn all the money from their bank account. > >>Moral of the lesson: > >>Do not disclose the relationship between you and the people in > >>your contact list. > >>Avoid using names like Home, Honey, Hubby, Sweetheart, Dad, > >>Mom, etc.... > >>And very importantly, when sensitive info is being > >>askedthrough texts, CONFIRM by calling back. > >> > >>Also, when you're being text by friends or family to meet them > >>somewhere, be sure to call back to confirm that the message came > >>fromthem. If you don't reach them, be very careful about going > >>places to meet'family and friends' who text you. > >>*PLEASE PASS THIS ON > >>* I never thought about the above! > >>As of now, I no longer have'home' listed on my cell phone. > >>Even if this does not pertain to you....Pass it on to your > >>family & friends > >> > >> > >>The information contained in this email may be confidential > >>and/or legally privileged. It has been sent for the sole use of > >>the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not > >>an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > >>unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, > >>distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its > >>contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > >>communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email > >>and destroy all copies of the original message. > >> > >>The information contained in this email may be confidential > >>and/or legally privileged. It has been sent for the sole use of > >>the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not > >>an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > >>unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, > >>distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its > >>contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > >>communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email > >>and destroy all copies of the original message. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>nabs-l: > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn% > 40gmail.co > >>m > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.d > empsey%40gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 18:52:43 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:52:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Skype question Message-ID: -- Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) Visit Camp Abilities online at: www.campabilities.org Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info. Sent from the Gmail Web site: www.gmail.com. Hi everyone, I have another Skype question for you. I'm trying to call a friend on Skype. I see a call phone button, but I don't want to call his phone, but just call him on Skype. Is that the button to do this or is there another button I need to look for? I know that this is part of the training from Ian and his friend's company, but can someone answer the question for me so I can do that now? Thanks! From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 19:51:42 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 13:51:42 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Skype question Message-ID: <4e39a6d6.4624440a.349b.6fd5@mx.google.com> Chris, All you have to do is, if your friend has authorized the Skype invite, you hit Enter on your friend's name, and there are two different buttons. There is a "call" button and a "video call" button. The "call" button is the only button you can use to call your friend without the need for a webcam. Otherwise, the "call phones" button will cost you a bunch of money and you'll get an alert that says you need Skype credit. So just use the plain old "call" button. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: chris nusbaum References: <4e3818e2.0a76970a.25a5.41f3@mx.google.com> <000b01cc5147$d4dbe350$7e93a9f0$@com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110802153541.01cc6220@earthlink.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20110803100346.01cdf778@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Haha, I'll be honest with you all, I usually don't pay much attention to color unless I'm in a professional setting. It shouldn't matter, but it does. When I'm just hanging with friends I'll wear whatever; if I'm going on a date, or going to a job interview, I make sure I match. It's what's expected of everyone else so it ought to be expected from us also. I've not followed this whole thread, but there's one other alternative technique I use all the time. (and in saying this, I'm not knocking the other systems out there because I'll probably start using one myself.) But you can always ask a friend or roommate or family member, who you know you can trust to be honest, if you match. Works like a charm, especially if you don't have your clothes marked quite yet. That's all for today, folks, Kirt On 8/3/11, Carly Mihalakis Esq. wrote: > > > Good morning, Amanda, > > In my time, I have experienced a few different systems of getting to > the bottom of an, at times illusive, construct of color differentiation. > > First, when I was a very little kid, the living skillls instructor > provided by the school district, helped me to divise a system for > identifying colors. This system consisted of using plastic shoe horns > with a braille label featuring the name of the color. The shoe horn > then, was attached to the garment's, hanger. . > > Then, when I went to summer camp my Mom rolled a top, shorts and > socks together to comprise the day's outfit. There were little outfit > rolls that corresponded, to the days I would be at camp. The clothes > were all scrupulously color cordinated complete with socks and a headband. > Hope I answered the question and was helpful! > for today, > Car > >>On 8/2/11, Carly Mihalakis Esq. wrote: >> > >> > >> > 'Afternoon, Andi, >> > >> > Since you have partial vision, our persspectives may differ. I am a >> > total. When I was a pre-teen however, what color something might be >> > and whether two items of clothing "matched," meant more to me than >> > someone might think, although I had never ocularly "seen," the clothes. >> > As I have matured however, what color something might be hardly even >> > flits accross my thinker. >> > I would say that, if colors of things concerns you that much, then >> > you might try those labels yet, there are people duying pointlessly >> > in the world, have you heard? --Original Message----- From: Aubrie Lucas >> >>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:10 PM >> >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas >> >> >> >>They could have just taken the GPS out of the car. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> >> Behalf >> >>Of Chris Nusbaum >> >>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:33 AM >> >>To: Mom; Mom Mom; lbnonapplejack at embarqmail.com; Josh Gregory; Nathan >> >> Clark; >> >>Gary Legates; Steve Patterson; Aunt Susan; carlos.lopez.1209 at gmail.com; >> >>arigeogirl at gmail.com; jacyhaas at comcast.net; soccercrazy26 at hotmail.com; >> >>vpdfootball at yahoo.com; barewoodhouse at yahoo.com; nuspaint620 at yahoo.com >> >>Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>---- Original Message ------ >> >>From: Mathew Orzechowski > >>Subject: Fwd: Some good ideas >> >>Date sent: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 09:49:50 -0500 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Begin forwarded message: >> >> >> >>From: Mike Orzechowski > >>Date: August 1, 2011 9:40:02 AM CDT >> >>To: Bonnie Orzechowski , Mathew Orzechowski >> >>, Mary Orzechowski >> >>, KatieB , >> >>Bonnie Orzechowski > >>Subject: FW: Some good ideas >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Sent from my Windows Mobile phone >> >> >> >>From: Metin Sakarcan > >>Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:37 AM >> >>To: Metin Sakarcan > >>Subject: Some good ideas >> >> >> >> >> >>Certainly are good ideas. >> >> >> >> >> >>This is worth reminding. >> >> >> >>This gives us something to think about with all our new >> >>electronic technology. >> >>GPS >> >>A friend had their car broken into while they were at a >> >>football game. Their carwas parked on the green which was >> >>adjacent to the football stadium and specially allotted to >> >>football fans. Things stolen from the car included a garage >> >>door remote control, some money and a GPS which had been >> >>prominently mounted on the dashboard. >> >>When the victims got home, they found that their house had >> >>been ransacked and just about everything worth anything had been >> >>stolen. >> >>The thieves had used the GPS to guide them to the house. >> >>Theythen used the garage remote control to open the garage door >> >>and gain entry to the house. The thieves knew the owners were >> >>at the football game, they knew what time the game was scheduled >> >>to finish and so theyknew how much time they had to clean out >> >>the house. It appeared thatthey had brought a truck to empty >> >>the house of its contents. >> >>Something to consider if you have a GPS - don't put your home >> >>address in it. Put a nearby address (like a store or gas >> >>station) so you can still find your way home if you need to, but >> >>no one else would know where you live if your GPS were stolen. >> >>MOBILE PHONES -- I would never have thought of this....... >> >>This lady has now changed her habit of how she lists her >> >>nameson her mobile phone after her handbag was stolen. Her >> >>handbag, which contained her cell phone, credit card, wallet... >> >>etc... was stolen. >> >>20 minutes later when she called her hubby, from a pay >> >>phonetelling him what had happened, hubby says 'I received your >> >>text asking about our Pin number and I've replied a little while >> >>ago.' >> >>When they rushed down to the bank, the bank staff told them >> >>allthe money was already withdrawn. The thief had actually >> >>used the stolen cell phone to text 'hubby' in the contact list >> >>and got hold of the pin number. Within 20 minutes he had >> >>withdrawn all the money from their bank account. >> >>Moral of the lesson: >> >>Do not disclose the relationship between you and the people in >> >>your contact list. >> >>Avoid using names like Home, Honey, Hubby, Sweetheart, Dad, >> >>Mom, etc.... >> >>And very importantly, when sensitive info is being >> >>askedthrough texts, CONFIRM by calling back. >> >> >> >>Also, when you're being text by friends or family to meet them >> >>somewhere, be sure to call back to confirm that the message came >> >>fromthem. If you don't reach them, be very careful about going >> >>places to meet'family and friends' who text you. >> >>*PLEASE PASS THIS ON >> >>* I never thought about the above! >> >>As of now, I no longer have'home' listed on my cell phone. >> >>Even if this does not pertain to you....Pass it on to your >> >>family & friends >> >> >> >> >> >>The information contained in this email may be confidential >> >>and/or legally privileged. It has been sent for the sole use of >> >>the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not >> >>an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> >>unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, >> >>distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its >> >>contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >> >>communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email >> >>and destroy all copies of the original message. >> >> >> >>The information contained in this email may be confidential >> >>and/or legally privileged. It has been sent for the sole use of >> >>the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not >> >>an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> >>unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, >> >>distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its >> >>contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >> >>communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email >> >>and destroy all copies of the original message. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>nabs-l: >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn% >> 40gmail.co >> >>m >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.d >> empsey%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%4 >> 0earthlink.net >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Aug 3 20:40:18 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 16:40:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] colour and clothes In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110802222357.01d00ef8@earthlink.net> References: <4e3818e2.0a76970a.25a5.41f3@mx.google.com><000b01cc5147$d4dbe350$7e93a9f0$@com><7.0.1.0.2.20110802153541.01cc6220@earthlink.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20110802222357.01d00ef8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <48D0F477DE36451B9DC86169451E1FB4@OwnerPC> Carley, Its okay; but I highly suggest you care about the colors; its not a mere curiosity. We live in a sighted world and need to look presentable. Fortunately black and caci slacks go with most everything, so matching outfits isn't a big deal. I do not label clothes yet, but I do use the safety pin method to distinguish my colored pants. I also have some vision and use that to tell my shirts/blouses apart as well as what it feels like. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Esq. Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 1:45 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] colour and clothes 'Evening, Leah, Admittedly, that was a very flippant and insensitive, even abusive comment. I can imagine the last thing Leah needs to hear is some bitch, who happens to be comfortable living as a blind person, hassling her over merely being curious about what colors she is wearing. I am sorry for not thinking before I speak. This board is not for people who spew their judge mental-sounding, opinions. Please, forgive me? for today, Car >On 8/2/11, Carly Mihalakis Esq. wrote: > > > > > > 'Afternoon, Andi, > > > > Since you have partial vision, our persspectives may differ. I am a > > total. When I was a pre-teen however, what color something might be > > and whether two items of clothing "matched," meant more to me than > > someone might think, although I had never ocularly "seen," the clothes. > > As I have matured however, what color something might be hardly even > > flits accross my thinker. > > I would say that, if colors of things concerns you that much, then > > you might try those labels yet, there are people duying pointlessly > > in the world, have you heard? --Original Message----- From: Aubrie Lucas > >>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:10 PM > >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas > >> > >>They could have just taken the GPS out of the car. > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > >> Behalf > >>Of Chris Nusbaum > >>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:33 AM > >>To: Mom; Mom Mom; lbnonapplejack at embarqmail.com; Josh Gregory; Nathan > >> Clark; > >>Gary Legates; Steve Patterson; Aunt Susan; carlos.lopez.1209 at gmail.com; > >>arigeogirl at gmail.com; jacyhaas at comcast.net; soccercrazy26 at hotmail.com; > >>vpdfootball at yahoo.com; barewoodhouse at yahoo.com; nuspaint620 at yahoo.com > >>Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas > >> > >> > >> > >>---- Original Message ------ > >>From: Mathew Orzechowski >>Subject: Fwd: Some good ideas > >>Date sent: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 09:49:50 -0500 > >> > >> > >> > >>Begin forwarded message: > >> > >>From: Mike Orzechowski >>Date: August 1, 2011 9:40:02 AM CDT > >>To: Bonnie Orzechowski , Mathew Orzechowski > >>, Mary Orzechowski > >>, KatieB , > >>Bonnie Orzechowski >>Subject: FW: Some good ideas > >> > >> > >> > >>Sent from my Windows Mobile phone > >> > >>From: Metin Sakarcan >>Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:37 AM > >>To: Metin Sakarcan >>Subject: Some good ideas > >> > >> > >>Certainly are good ideas. > >> > >> > >>This is worth reminding. > >> > >>This gives us something to think about with all our new > >>electronic technology. > >>GPS > >>A friend had their car broken into while they were at a > >>football game. Their carwas parked on the green which was > >>adjacent to the football stadium and specially allotted to > >>football fans. Things stolen from the car included a garage > >>door remote control, some money and a GPS which had been > >>prominently mounted on the dashboard. > >>When the victims got home, they found that their house had > >>been ransacked and just about everything worth anything had been > >>stolen. > >>The thieves had used the GPS to guide them to the house. > >>Theythen used the garage remote control to open the garage door > >>and gain entry to the house. The thieves knew the owners were > >>at the football game, they knew what time the game was scheduled > >>to finish and so theyknew how much time they had to clean out > >>the house. It appeared thatthey had brought a truck to empty > >>the house of its contents. > >>Something to consider if you have a GPS - don't put your home > >>address in it. Put a nearby address (like a store or gas > >>station) so you can still find your way home if you need to, but > >>no one else would know where you live if your GPS were stolen. > >>MOBILE PHONES -- I would never have thought of this....... > >>This lady has now changed her habit of how she lists her > >>nameson her mobile phone after her handbag was stolen. Her > >>handbag, which contained her cell phone, credit card, wallet... > >>etc... was stolen. > >>20 minutes later when she called her hubby, from a pay > >>phonetelling him what had happened, hubby says 'I received your > >>text asking about our Pin number and I've replied a little while > >>ago.' > >>When they rushed down to the bank, the bank staff told them > >>allthe money was already withdrawn. The thief had actually > >>used the stolen cell phone to text 'hubby' in the contact list > >>and got hold of the pin number. Within 20 minutes he had > >>withdrawn all the money from their bank account. > >>Moral of the lesson: > >>Do not disclose the relationship between you and the people in > >>your contact list. > >>Avoid using names like Home, Honey, Hubby, Sweetheart, Dad, > >>Mom, etc.... > >>And very importantly, when sensitive info is being > >>askedthrough texts, CONFIRM by calling back. > >> > >>Also, when you're being text by friends or family to meet them > >>somewhere, be sure to call back to confirm that the message came > >>fromthem. If you don't reach them, be very careful about going > >>places to meet'family and friends' who text you. > >>*PLEASE PASS THIS ON > >>* I never thought about the above! > >>As of now, I no longer have'home' listed on my cell phone. > >>Even if this does not pertain to you....Pass it on to your > >>family & friends > >> > >> > >>The information contained in this email may be confidential > >>and/or legally privileged. It has been sent for the sole use of > >>the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not > >>an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > >>unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, > >>distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its > >>contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > >>communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email > >>and destroy all copies of the original message. > >> > >>The information contained in this email may be confidential > >>and/or legally privileged. It has been sent for the sole use of > >>the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not > >>an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any > >>unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, > >>distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its > >>contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > >>communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email > >>and destroy all copies of the original message. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>nabs-l: > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn% > 40gmail.co > >>m > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.d > empsey%40gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > > > > >-- >Lea Williams > >Phone; >704-732-4470 >Skipe; >Lea.williams738 >Facebook >http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 20:52:24 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 16:52:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] new business: paintings that the blind can feel! Message-ID: <4e39b532.150adc0a.5182.141c@mx.google.com> Hi everyone, My friend has recently started a painting business to sell her handmade paintings that she makes for a hobby. They are freehanded paintings, which are made with a special kind of acrylic paint which can be felt tactually. Therefore, although the painter is sighted, we can enjoy the beauty of her paintings tactually just as much as our sighted peers do visually. She's selling her paintings for $1.75 each. She also does small sculptures which are about the size of your head! For more details on this exciting new business for the blind and sighted, please email her at arigeogirl at gmail.com or find her on Facebook at Arianna R Lipka. Please check out Arianna's work and distribute this to as many lists and/or people (blind or sighted) as you feel would be interested!!! Please don't reply to the list if you have questions for her, as she's not on any of the lists I'm posting this to, and I'm posting it for her. Thank you, and I hope you'll like her work and will distribute this to as many people as you can, in order to jumpstart this new business! Thanks! Chris Nusbaum and Arianna Lipka P.S. Ross, can you please put this in the Special Notices section of the Ziegler Magazine? Sent from my BrailleNote From cape.amanda at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 20:59:06 2011 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda Cape) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 16:59:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] colour and clothes In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110802153541.01cc6220@earthlink.net> References: <4e3818e2.0a76970a.25a5.41f3@mx.google.com> <000b01cc5147$d4dbe350$7e93a9f0$@com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110802153541.01cc6220@earthlink.net> Message-ID: How accurate is the Colorino? I have used the cobalt colour detector and I didn't find it was very accurate. Amanda On 8/2/11, Carly Mihalakis Esq. wrote: > > > 'Afternoon, Andi, > > Since you have partial vision, our persspectives may differ. I am a > total. When I was a pre-teen however, what color something might be > and whether two items of clothing "matched," meant more to me than > someone might think, although I had never ocularly "seen," the clothes. > As I have matured however, what color something might be hardly even > flits accross my thinker. > I would say that, if colors of things concerns you that much, then > you might try those labels yet, there are people duying pointlessly > in the world, have you heard? --Original Message----- From: Aubrie Lucas >>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:10 PM >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas >> >>They could have just taken the GPS out of the car. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >>Of Chris Nusbaum >>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:33 AM >>To: Mom; Mom Mom; lbnonapplejack at embarqmail.com; Josh Gregory; Nathan >> Clark; >>Gary Legates; Steve Patterson; Aunt Susan; carlos.lopez.1209 at gmail.com; >>arigeogirl at gmail.com; jacyhaas at comcast.net; soccercrazy26 at hotmail.com; >>vpdfootball at yahoo.com; barewoodhouse at yahoo.com; nuspaint620 at yahoo.com >>Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas >> >> >> >>---- Original Message ------ >>From: Mathew Orzechowski >Subject: Fwd: Some good ideas >>Date sent: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 09:49:50 -0500 >> >> >> >>Begin forwarded message: >> >>From: Mike Orzechowski >Date: August 1, 2011 9:40:02 AM CDT >>To: Bonnie Orzechowski , Mathew Orzechowski >>, Mary Orzechowski >>, KatieB , >>Bonnie Orzechowski >Subject: FW: Some good ideas >> >> >> >>Sent from my Windows Mobile phone >> >>From: Metin Sakarcan >Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:37 AM >>To: Metin Sakarcan >Subject: Some good ideas >> >> >>Certainly are good ideas. >> >> >>This is worth reminding. >> >>This gives us something to think about with all our new >>electronic technology. >>GPS >>A friend had their car broken into while they were at a >>football game. Their carwas parked on the green which was >>adjacent to the football stadium and specially allotted to >>football fans. Things stolen from the car included a garage >>door remote control, some money and a GPS which had been >>prominently mounted on the dashboard. >>When the victims got home, they found that their house had >>been ransacked and just about everything worth anything had been >>stolen. >>The thieves had used the GPS to guide them to the house. >>Theythen used the garage remote control to open the garage door >>and gain entry to the house. The thieves knew the owners were >>at the football game, they knew what time the game was scheduled >>to finish and so theyknew how much time they had to clean out >>the house. It appeared thatthey had brought a truck to empty >>the house of its contents. >>Something to consider if you have a GPS - don't put your home >>address in it. Put a nearby address (like a store or gas >>station) so you can still find your way home if you need to, but >>no one else would know where you live if your GPS were stolen. >>MOBILE PHONES -- I would never have thought of this....... >>This lady has now changed her habit of how she lists her >>nameson her mobile phone after her handbag was stolen. Her >>handbag, which contained her cell phone, credit card, wallet... >>etc... was stolen. >>20 minutes later when she called her hubby, from a pay >>phonetelling him what had happened, hubby says 'I received your >>text asking about our Pin number and I've replied a little while >>ago.' >>When they rushed down to the bank, the bank staff told them >>allthe money was already withdrawn. The thief had actually >>used the stolen cell phone to text 'hubby' in the contact list >>and got hold of the pin number. Within 20 minutes he had >>withdrawn all the money from their bank account. >>Moral of the lesson: >>Do not disclose the relationship between you and the people in >>your contact list. >>Avoid using names like Home, Honey, Hubby, Sweetheart, Dad, >>Mom, etc.... >>And very importantly, when sensitive info is being >>askedthrough texts, CONFIRM by calling back. >> >>Also, when you're being text by friends or family to meet them >>somewhere, be sure to call back to confirm that the message came >>fromthem. If you don't reach them, be very careful about going >>places to meet'family and friends' who text you. >>*PLEASE PASS THIS ON >>* I never thought about the above! >>As of now, I no longer have'home' listed on my cell phone. >>Even if this does not pertain to you....Pass it on to your >>family & friends >> >> >>The information contained in this email may be confidential >>and/or legally privileged. It has been sent for the sole use of >>the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not >>an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >>unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, >>distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its >>contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >>communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email >>and destroy all copies of the original message. >> >>The information contained in this email may be confidential >>and/or legally privileged. It has been sent for the sole use of >>the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not >>an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >>unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, >>distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its >>contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >>communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email >>and destroy all copies of the original message. >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.co >>m >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40gmail.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > From carlymih at earthlink.net Thu Aug 4 05:35:13 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis Esq.) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 22:35:13 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] colour and clothes In-Reply-To: <48D0F477DE36451B9DC86169451E1FB4@OwnerPC> References: <4e3818e2.0a76970a.25a5.41f3@mx.google.com> <000b01cc5147$d4dbe350$7e93a9f0$@com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110802153541.01cc6220@earthlink.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20110802222357.01d00ef8@earthlink.net> <48D0F477DE36451B9DC86169451E1FB4@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110803222357.01d600c0@earthlink.net> Hi, Ashley, Quite is the contrary! I was raised by a visual artist who, tried to impart a consciousness of how I put forth, a presentation and Perhaps as a result, have a keen eye of fashion. Actually, I am a blind clothes horse... My Mom and I used to spend hours in our local thrift stores, groaping the clothes and trying things on. Nowadays however, my partner and I are without a particular, sighted audience save for the world at large. We are also without extra financial means, with which to purchase extra clothes. for today, Car. I also have some vision and use that to tell my shirts/blouses apart as well as what it feels like. >Ashley > >-----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Esq. >Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 1:45 AM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] colour and clothes > > > > >'Evening, Leah, > >Admittedly, that was a very flippant and insensitive, even abusive >comment. I can imagine the last thing Leah needs to hear is some >bitch, who happens to be comfortable living as a blind >person, hassling her over merely being curious about what colors >she is wearing. > >I am sorry for not thinking before I speak. This board is not for >people who spew their judge mental-sounding, opinions. >Please, forgive me? >for today, >Car > > >>On 8/2/11, Carly Mihalakis Esq. wrote: >> > >> > >> > 'Afternoon, Andi, >> > >> > Since you have partial vision, our persspectives may differ. I am a >> > total. When I was a pre-teen however, what color something might be >> > and whether two items of clothing "matched," meant more to me than >> > someone might think, although I had never ocularly "seen," the clothes. >> > As I have matured however, what color something might be hardly even >> > flits accross my thinker. >> > I would say that, if colors of things concerns you that much, then >> > you might try those labels yet, there are people duying pointlessly >> > in the world, have you heard? --Original Message----- From: Aubrie Lucas >> >>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:10 PM >> >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas >> >> >> >>They could have just taken the GPS out of the car. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> >> Behalf >> >>Of Chris Nusbaum >> >>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:33 AM >> >>To: Mom; Mom Mom; lbnonapplejack at embarqmail.com; Josh Gregory; Nathan >> >> Clark; >> >>Gary Legates; Steve Patterson; Aunt Susan; carlos.lopez.1209 at gmail.com; >> >>arigeogirl at gmail.com; jacyhaas at comcast.net; soccercrazy26 at hotmail.com; >> >>vpdfootball at yahoo.com; barewoodhouse at yahoo.com; nuspaint620 at yahoo.com >> >>Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>---- Original Message ------ >> >>From: Mathew Orzechowski > >>Subject: Fwd: Some good ideas >> >>Date sent: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 09:49:50 -0500 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Begin forwarded message: >> >> >> >>From: Mike Orzechowski > >>Date: August 1, 2011 9:40:02 AM CDT >> >>To: Bonnie Orzechowski , Mathew Orzechowski >> >>, Mary Orzechowski >> >>, KatieB , >> >>Bonnie Orzechowski > >>Subject: FW: Some good ideas >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Sent from my Windows Mobile phone >> >> >> >>From: Metin Sakarcan > >>Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:37 AM >> >>To: Metin Sakarcan > >>Subject: Some good ideas >> >> >> >> >> >>Certainly are good ideas. >> >> >> >> >> >>This is worth reminding. >> >> >> >>This gives us something to think about with all our new >> >>electronic technology. >> >>GPS >> >>A friend had their car broken into while they were at a >> >>football game. Their carwas parked on the green which was >> >>adjacent to the football stadium and specially allotted to >> >>football fans. Things stolen from the car included a garage >> >>door remote control, some money and a GPS which had been >> >>prominently mounted on the dashboard. >> >>When the victims got home, they found that their house had >> >>been ransacked and just about everything worth anything had been >> >>stolen. >> >>The thieves had used the GPS to guide them to the house. >> >>Theythen used the garage remote control to open the garage door >> >>and gain entry to the house. The thieves knew the owners were >> >>at the football game, they knew what time the game was scheduled >> >>to finish and so theyknew how much time they had to clean out >> >>the house. It appeared thatthey had brought a truck to empty >> >>the house of its contents. >> >>Something to consider if you have a GPS - don't put your home >> >>address in it. Put a nearby address (like a store or gas >> >>station) so you can still find your way home if you need to, but >> >>no one else would know where you live if your GPS were stolen. >> >>MOBILE PHONES -- I would never have thought of this....... >> >>This lady has now changed her habit of how she lists her >> >>nameson her mobile phone after her handbag was stolen. Her >> >>handbag, which contained her cell phone, credit card, wallet... >> >>etc... was stolen. >> >>20 minutes later when she called her hubby, from a pay >> >>phonetelling him what had happened, hubby says 'I received your >> >>text asking about our Pin number and I've replied a little while >> >>ago.' >> >>When they rushed down to the bank, the bank staff told them >> >>allthe money was already withdrawn. The thief had actually >> >>used the stolen cell phone to text 'hubby' in the contact list >> >>and got hold of the pin number. Within 20 minutes he had >> >>withdrawn all the money from their bank account. >> >>Moral of the lesson: >> >>Do not disclose the relationship between you and the people in >> >>your contact list. >> >>Avoid using names like Home, Honey, Hubby, Sweetheart, Dad, >> >>Mom, etc.... >> >>And very importantly, when sensitive info is being >> >>askedthrough texts, CONFIRM by calling back. >> >> >> >>Also, when you're being text by friends or family to meet them >> >>somewhere, be sure to call back to confirm that the message came >> >>fromthem. If you don't reach them, be very careful about going >> >>places to meet'family and friends' who text you. >> >>*PLEASE PASS THIS ON >> >>* I never thought about the above! >> >>As of now, I no longer have'home' listed on my cell phone. >> >>Even if this does not pertain to you....Pass it on to your >> >>family & friends >> >> >> >> >> >>The information contained in this email may be confidential >> >>and/or legally privileged. It has been sent for the sole use of >> >>the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not >> >>an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> >>unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, >> >>distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its >> >>contents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this >> >>communication in error, please contact the sender by reply email >> >>and destroy all copies of the original message. >> >> >> >>The information contained in this email may be confidential >> >>and/or legally privileged. It has been sent for the sole use of >> >>the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not >> >>an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any >> >>unauthorized review, use, disclosure, dissemination, >> >>distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its >> >>contents, is strictly prohibited. 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I'm having problems with Google Chrome. How can I fix it, so I can use the arrow keys on Websites, with Google Chrome? I just had two new browsers installed. They are, Google Chrome, and Firefox. Firefox works with my E-mail, but Google Chrome is the only one, that works for Youtube. I'd like to be able to use the arrow keys, when navigating sites, with Google Chrome. Thanks for your help. Blessings, Joshua From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 19:46:46 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:46:46 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <73570115C01D4D5288A0A0EE9177FFFC@HumbertoAvila> Which screen reader are you using? Are you using JAWS? Because if so, I don't know if google Crome supports the "Virtual Cursor" yet since I know little about accessibility on Google crome with screenreaders. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:40 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome Hi, it's Joshua Lester. I'm having problems with Google Chrome. How can I fix it, so I can use the arrow keys on Websites, with Google Chrome? I just had two new browsers installed. They are, Google Chrome, and Firefox. Firefox works with my E-mail, but Google Chrome is the only one, that works for Youtube. I'd like to be able to use the arrow keys, when navigating sites, with Google Chrome. Thanks for your help. Blessings, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 %40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Aug 4 20:04:08 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 15:04:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <73570115C01D4D5288A0A0EE9177FFFC@HumbertoAvila> References: <73570115C01D4D5288A0A0EE9177FFFC@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: Humberto: I'm using Jaws, 10.0. Blessings, Joshua On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Humberto Avila < avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: > Which screen reader are you using? Are you using JAWS? Because if so, I > don't know if google Crome supports the "Virtual Cursor" yet since I know > little about accessibility on Google crome with screenreaders. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:40 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I'm having problems with Google Chrome. > How can I fix it, so I can use the arrow keys on Websites, with Google > Chrome? > I just had two new browsers installed. > They are, Google Chrome, and Firefox. > Firefox works with my E-mail, but Google Chrome is the only one, that works > for Youtube. > I'd like to be able to use the arrow keys, when navigating sites, with > Google Chrome. > Thanks for your help. > Blessings, Joshua > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 21:00:31 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:00:31 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <73570115C01D4D5288A0A0EE9177FFFC@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: Hello, I don't want to make you not use Google crome with JAWS or disappoint you, but I think you will find better accessibility accomplishments by using the latest version of JAWS which is 12.0. can you upgrade to JAWS 12.0? Do you have a software maintenance agreement or some way to upgrade your JAWS to 12.0 from 10.0? I'm not simply saying that JAWS 10.0 is "very outdated" but Freedom Scientific has put in a lot of effort in accessibility in the last couple of years, given that JAWS 10.0 has been released 2 years ago, regarding accessibility in browsers and MS active accessibility as well as web page support. Best of luck, Humberto -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:04 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome Humberto: I'm using Jaws, 10.0. Blessings, Joshua On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Humberto Avila < avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: > Which screen reader are you using? Are you using JAWS? Because if so, I > don't know if google Crome supports the "Virtual Cursor" yet since I know > little about accessibility on Google crome with screenreaders. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:40 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I'm having problems with Google Chrome. > How can I fix it, so I can use the arrow keys on Websites, with Google > Chrome? > I just had two new browsers installed. > They are, Google Chrome, and Firefox. > Firefox works with my E-mail, but Google Chrome is the only one, that works > for Youtube. > I'd like to be able to use the arrow keys, when navigating sites, with > Google Chrome. > Thanks for your help. > Blessings, Joshua > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40studen ts.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 %40gmail.com From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Thu Aug 4 21:32:13 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 16:32:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Please read my new blog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello, It is blog Thursday once again! Please read my new blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/2011/08/04/with-cane-im-able/ This week, I blog about how to use the long white cane. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Aug 4 22:42:05 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 17:42:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <73570115C01D4D5288A0A0EE9177FFFC@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: I'm going to try that out! Thanks, Joshua On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Humberto Avila < avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > I don't want to make you not use Google crome with JAWS or disappoint you, > but I think you will find better accessibility accomplishments by using the > latest version of JAWS which is 12.0. can you upgrade to JAWS 12.0? Do you > have a software maintenance agreement or some way to upgrade your JAWS to > 12.0 from 10.0? I'm not simply saying that JAWS 10.0 is "very outdated" but > Freedom Scientific has put in a lot of effort in accessibility in the last > couple of years, given that JAWS 10.0 has been released 2 years ago, > regarding accessibility in browsers and MS active accessibility as well as > web page support. > > Best of luck, > Humberto > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:04 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome > > Humberto: > I'm using Jaws, 10.0. > Blessings, Joshua > > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Humberto Avila < > avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Which screen reader are you using? Are you using JAWS? Because if so, I > > don't know if google Crome supports the "Virtual Cursor" yet since I > know > > little about accessibility on Google crome with screenreaders. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > > Behalf > > Of Joshua Lester > > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:40 PM > > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome > > > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > > I'm having problems with Google Chrome. > > How can I fix it, so I can use the arrow keys on Websites, with Google > > Chrome? > > I just had two new browsers installed. > > They are, Google Chrome, and Firefox. > > Firefox works with my E-mail, but Google Chrome is the only one, that > works > > for Youtube. > > I'd like to be able to use the arrow keys, when navigating sites, with > > Google Chrome. > > Thanks for your help. > > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > > > %40gmail.com< > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.b > ert.humberto2%0A%40gmail.com> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40studen > ts.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 23:05:18 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 16:05:18 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Youth Stories Needed for transition guide Message-ID: Fellow Federationests, Please send to anyone who you think may be interested. Thanks! - Darian Youth Stories Needed for a New Transition Guide The Office of Disability Employment Policy is Looking for Youth Transition Stories for a New Resource Guide The U.S. Department of Labor's Office of Disability Employment Policy is  working on a publication. It will be a complete transition guide for youth and young adults (ages 14-25) with disabilities moving from high school to post-secondary settings. These settings could include  full-time jobs, vocational training (being an apprentice), service, internships; and junior college and university settings. Since experiences are a great way to learn, they are collecting stories from youth and young adults with disabilities about their transition experiences. They are reaching out to youth across the country and asking you to share: 1 your aspirations and dreams; 2. your learned strategies to navigate different systems; 3. what supports helped you make your transitions. This project is open to youth with different types of disabilities, from all backgrounds, and from all across the country! For more information or to share your experiences, contact Hamza Jaka, at: Jaka.Hamza.A at dol.gov or Laura Ibañez, at: Ibanez.Laura at dol.gov -- Darian Smith “My secret? See it, and stay focused on it.” — Shaquille O'Neal From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 01:18:45 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 21:18:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] update on painting business Message-ID: -- Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) Visit Camp Abilities online at: www.campabilities.org Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info. Sent from the Gmail Web site: www.gmail.com. Hi everyone, First of all, I'd like to thank everyone for all your responses and interest in Arianna's painting business! She told me today that she got a lot of responses from interested blind people, which is great!! Thanks to everyone who responded and those who will later do so!! I'd just like to let everyone know of a slight change in the pricing of these paintings. Due to evaluation of the expenses of making these tactile paintings, mainly the expense of the acrylic paint used, she will need to raise the retail (selling) price in order to support her business. So, as of now, the price per painting is $4.00 plus shipping. This is raised from the starting price of $1.75. However, this is still not a dealbreaker, as many paintings are very expensive, so this is still a good deal on these kinds of paintings. Since this is a new business, we're still working on our advertising and sales initiatives. We will soon have a Web site and a Facebook page for the business, so please stay tuned to these lists/your email for more updates! Also, we'll soon be highlighted in an article that will appear in the Matilda Ziegler magazine in the near future. In the mean time, you can still email Arianna, our owner and painter, at arigeogirl at gmail.com, or me at dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com with any questions, feedback, or requests about the business! Thanks for all your interest, and I hope you stay interested in Arianna's tactile art in the future! Chris Chris Nusbaum, Sales and Advertising Coordinator, Arianna's Art, Inc. From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 15:27:18 2011 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 09:27:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <73570115C01D4D5288A0A0EE9177FFFC@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: Joshua, To my knowledge, chrome's not accessible at all. I'm not sure why your firefox has problems with youtube; aside from that one incident on the faith-talk list we both know about I haven't had any issues. Best, Kirt On 8/4/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > I'm going to try that out! > Thanks, Joshua > > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Humberto Avila < > avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I don't want to make you not use Google crome with JAWS or disappoint >> you, >> but I think you will find better accessibility accomplishments by using >> the >> latest version of JAWS which is 12.0. can you upgrade to JAWS 12.0? Do you >> have a software maintenance agreement or some way to upgrade your JAWS to >> 12.0 from 10.0? I'm not simply saying that JAWS 10.0 is "very outdated" >> but >> Freedom Scientific has put in a lot of effort in accessibility in the last >> couple of years, given that JAWS 10.0 has been released 2 years ago, >> regarding accessibility in browsers and MS active accessibility as well as >> web page support. >> >> Best of luck, >> Humberto >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:04 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome >> >> Humberto: >> I'm using Jaws, 10.0. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Humberto Avila < >> avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Which screen reader are you using? Are you using JAWS? Because if so, I >> > don't know if google Crome supports the "Virtual Cursor" yet since I >> know >> > little about accessibility on Google crome with screenreaders. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> > Behalf >> > Of Joshua Lester >> > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:40 PM >> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome >> > >> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> > I'm having problems with Google Chrome. >> > How can I fix it, so I can use the arrow keys on Websites, with Google >> > Chrome? >> > I just had two new browsers installed. >> > They are, Google Chrome, and Firefox. >> > Firefox works with my E-mail, but Google Chrome is the only one, that >> works >> > for Youtube. >> > I'd like to be able to use the arrow keys, when navigating sites, with >> > Google Chrome. >> > Thanks for your help. >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> > >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >> > >> %40gmail.com< >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.b >> ert.humberto2%0A%40gmail.com> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> > >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40studen >> ts.pccua.edu >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 16:10:35 2011 From: adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com (Andi) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:10:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] colour and clothes In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110803222357.01d600c0@earthlink.net> References: <4e3818e2.0a76970a.25a5.41f3@mx.google.com><000b01cc5147$d4dbe350$7e93a9f0$@com><7.0.1.0.2.20110802153541.01cc6220@earthlink.net><7.0.1.0.2.20110802222357.01d00ef8@earthlink.net><48D0F477DE36451B9DC86169451E1FB4@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20110803222357.01d600c0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <756653B41A01453E83A8C7A7EEDE8C55@OwnerPC> thank you everyone for your suggestions and help. I agree with Ashley, we do live in a sighted world where fashion is a big deal, at least looking presentable. As a blind person we all get stared at enough, and I would rather that when a person stares at me they think positively rather than negatively. Remember that when one blind person lookes bad that sighted people form negative stereotypes about all blind people. If for example a person dresses badly or has blindisms, sighted people asoom that all blind people can not dress themselves or have other cognitive impairments. If they think we can not dress ourselves they think we can not do other things ourselves. It further debilitates us in the eyes of the sighted. If your clothes are fashionable but do not match they look just as bad as whereing old laty clothes. Also all of you that made points about geens, cackies, and black pants are totally right, that does solve a lot of problems. However brown and black do not usually go together, and navey blue and black do not go together. Yet I do where a lot of geens and such. My main problem comes from layering clothes. I have thees tank tops with lace on the bottem that look nice layered under sertain other shirts and they are all different colors, but they look the same. I also have more sporty looking tanks that work well under other tops. I do a lot with allusion with colours and layering, or rooshing to make my boddy shape look more appealing to the sighted world. So I asked a simple question to help my representation for the blind community to proove the sighted community that we can be independent and not always look like blards. so I think I will try out those tags. once again, thanks everyone for your help. p.s. does anyone know where we can get them? -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Esq. Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:35 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] colour and clothes Hi, Ashley, Quite is the contrary! I was raised by a visual artist who, tried to impart a consciousness of how I put forth, a presentation and Perhaps as a result, have a keen eye of fashion. Actually, I am a blind clothes horse... My Mom and I used to spend hours in our local thrift stores, groaping the clothes and trying things on. Nowadays however, my partner and I are without a particular, sighted audience save for the world at large. We are also without extra financial means, with which to purchase extra clothes. for today, Car. I also have some vision and use that to tell my shirts/blouses apart as well as what it feels like. >Ashley > >-----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Esq. >Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 1:45 AM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] colour and clothes > > > > >'Evening, Leah, > >Admittedly, that was a very flippant and insensitive, even abusive >comment. I can imagine the last thing Leah needs to hear is some >bitch, who happens to be comfortable living as a blind >person, hassling her over merely being curious about what colors >she is wearing. > >I am sorry for not thinking before I speak. This board is not for >people who spew their judge mental-sounding, opinions. >Please, forgive me? >for today, >Car > > >>On 8/2/11, Carly Mihalakis Esq. wrote: >> > >> > >> > 'Afternoon, Andi, >> > >> > Since you have partial vision, our persspectives may differ. I am a >> > total. When I was a pre-teen however, what color something might be >> > and whether two items of clothing "matched," meant more to me than >> > someone might think, although I had never ocularly "seen," the clothes. >> > As I have matured however, what color something might be hardly even >> > flits accross my thinker. >> > I would say that, if colors of things concerns you that much, then >> > you might try those labels yet, there are people duying pointlessly >> > in the world, have you heard? --Original Message----- From: Aubrie >> > Lucas >> >>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:10 PM >> >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas >> >> >> >>They could have just taken the GPS out of the car. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> >> Behalf >> >>Of Chris Nusbaum >> >>Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:33 AM >> >>To: Mom; Mom Mom; lbnonapplejack at embarqmail.com; Josh Gregory; Nathan >> >> Clark; >> >>Gary Legates; Steve Patterson; Aunt Susan; carlos.lopez.1209 at gmail.com; >> >>arigeogirl at gmail.com; jacyhaas at comcast.net; soccercrazy26 at hotmail.com; >> >>vpdfootball at yahoo.com; barewoodhouse at yahoo.com; nuspaint620 at yahoo.com >> >>Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Some good ideas >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>---- Original Message ------ >> >>From: Mathew Orzechowski > >>Subject: Fwd: Some good ideas >> >>Date sent: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 09:49:50 -0500 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Begin forwarded message: >> >> >> >>From: Mike Orzechowski > >>Date: August 1, 2011 9:40:02 AM CDT >> >>To: Bonnie Orzechowski , Mathew Orzechowski >> >>, Mary Orzechowski >> >>, KatieB , >> >>Bonnie Orzechowski > >>Subject: FW: Some good ideas >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Sent from my Windows Mobile phone >> >> >> >>From: Metin Sakarcan > >>Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 9:37 AM >> >>To: Metin Sakarcan > >>Subject: Some good ideas >> >> >> >> >> >>Certainly are good ideas. >> >> >> >> >> >>This is worth reminding. >> >> >> >>This gives us something to think about with all our new >> >>electronic technology. >> >>GPS >> >>A friend had their car broken into while they were at a >> >>football game. Their carwas parked on the green which was >> >>adjacent to the football stadium and specially allotted to >> >>football fans. Things stolen from the car included a garage >> >>door remote control, some money and a GPS which had been >> >>prominently mounted on the dashboard. >> >>When the victims got home, they found that their house had >> >>been ransacked and just about everything worth anything had been >> >>stolen. >> >>The thieves had used the GPS to guide them to the house. >> >>Theythen used the garage remote control to open the garage door >> >>and gain entry to the house. The thieves knew the owners were >> >>at the football game, they knew what time the game was scheduled >> >>to finish and so theyknew how much time they had to clean out >> >>the house. It appeared thatthey had brought a truck to empty >> >>the house of its contents. >> >>Something to consider if you have a GPS - don't put your home >> >>address in it. Put a nearby address (like a store or gas >> >>station) so you can still find your way home if you need to, but >> >>no one else would know where you live if your GPS were stolen. >> >>MOBILE PHONES -- I would never have thought of this....... >> >>This lady has now changed her habit of how she lists her >> >>nameson her mobile phone after her handbag was stolen. Her >> >>handbag, which contained her cell phone, credit card, wallet... >> >>etc... was stolen. >> >>20 minutes later when she called her hubby, from a pay >> >>phonetelling him what had happened, hubby says 'I received your >> >>text asking about our Pin number and I've replied a little while >> >>ago.' >> >>When they rushed down to the bank, the bank staff told them >> >>allthe money was already withdrawn. The thief had actually >> >>used the stolen cell phone to text 'hubby' in the contact list >> >>and got hold of the pin number. Within 20 minutes he had >> >>withdrawn all the money from their bank account. >> >>Moral of the lesson: >> >>Do not disclose the relationship between you and the people in >> >>your contact list. >> >>Avoid using names like Home, Honey, Hubby, Sweetheart, Dad, >> >>Mom, etc.... >> >>And very importantly, when sensitive info is being >> >>askedthrough texts, CONFIRM by calling back. >> >> >> >>Also, when you're being text by friends or family to meet them >> >>somewhere, be sure to call back to confirm that the message came >> >>fromthem. If you don't reach them, be very careful about going >> >>places to meet'family and friends' who text you. >> >>*PLEASE PASS THIS ON >> >>* I never thought about the above! >> >>As of now, I no longer have'home' listed on my cell phone. >> >>Even if this does not pertain to you....Pass it on to your >> >>family & friends >> >> >> >> >> >>The information contained in this email may be confidential >> >>and/or legally privileged. 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Then I could use the labels for the ones that do not have tags. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Sean Whalen Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:05 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [nabs-l] color and clothes A lot of good advice here already. I would just add that it is often possible to find a way to tactilely identify garments without needing to label them. For instance, I have a few shirts that are the same style and feel the same, but are of different colors. I left the tag in the green one, tore the tag out of the yellow one, and partially ripped the tag on the black and white one. I also have a list of descriptions of ties that correspond with numbered tags I pin on each. If you understand which colors go well together and which do not, and you know what color your shirts are, you can coordinate. You can also note which parings of shirts and ties or skirts and tops go well together. While it isn't important that we as blind people make a statement with our color selections if we are not into fashion (which I am not), it is certainly important, in professional settings especially, that our clothes match and look decent. Notwithstanding all the dyeing children, cancer patients, and other misery in the world, the notion that what we wear and how we look doesn't matter is ridiculous. Surely there are blind people who have attained success with no regard to their personal appearance, but there are blind folks who have attained success without any number of important blindness skills. Does this mean that none of them are worth learning or worrying about? Certainly not. If I roll up into a meeting with brown slacks and a black jacket, like it or not, many people will focus more on that than what I have to say, and the professional competent image I try to present will be damaged. It's not hard to do, and it matters, so pay attention on some level to what you wear. All the best, Sean _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Aug 5 17:17:30 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:17:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <73570115C01D4D5288A0A0EE9177FFFC@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: Kirt, why is it telling me to download Adobe Flash player, when before, when I had Internet Explorer, I didn't need it? What's the deal? Thanks, Joshua On 8/5/11, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > Joshua, > To my knowledge, chrome's not accessible at all. I'm not sure why > your firefox has problems with youtube; aside from that one incident > on the faith-talk list we both know about I haven't had any issues. > Best, > Kirt > > On 8/4/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I'm going to try that out! >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Humberto Avila < >> avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I don't want to make you not use Google crome with JAWS or disappoint >>> you, >>> but I think you will find better accessibility accomplishments by using >>> the >>> latest version of JAWS which is 12.0. can you upgrade to JAWS 12.0? Do >>> you >>> have a software maintenance agreement or some way to upgrade your JAWS to >>> 12.0 from 10.0? I'm not simply saying that JAWS 10.0 is "very outdated" >>> but >>> Freedom Scientific has put in a lot of effort in accessibility in the >>> last >>> couple of years, given that JAWS 10.0 has been released 2 years ago, >>> regarding accessibility in browsers and MS active accessibility as well >>> as >>> web page support. >>> >>> Best of luck, >>> Humberto >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:04 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome >>> >>> Humberto: >>> I'm using Jaws, 10.0. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Humberto Avila < >>> avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > Which screen reader are you using? Are you using JAWS? Because if so, I >>> > don't know if google Crome supports the "Virtual Cursor" yet since I >>> know >>> > little about accessibility on Google crome with screenreaders. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> > Behalf >>> > Of Joshua Lester >>> > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:40 PM >>> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome >>> > >>> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> > I'm having problems with Google Chrome. >>> > How can I fix it, so I can use the arrow keys on Websites, with Google >>> > Chrome? >>> > I just had two new browsers installed. >>> > They are, Google Chrome, and Firefox. >>> > Firefox works with my E-mail, but Google Chrome is the only one, that >>> works >>> > for Youtube. >>> > I'd like to be able to use the arrow keys, when navigating sites, with >>> > Google Chrome. >>> > Thanks for your help. >>> > Blessings, Joshua >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> > >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>> > >>> %40gmail.com< >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.b >>> ert.humberto2%0A%40gmail.com> >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> > >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40studen >>> ts.pccua.edu >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From ignasicambra at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 17:29:13 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:29:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <73570115C01D4D5288A0A0EE9177FFFC@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: <27862E40-A15D-40BA-9547-FAC768541E70@gmail.com> Youtube has always used a flash-based media player. These days most content is available through an html5 version, but the default is still flash. Your problem is not that youtube doesn't work with firefox, it's that you don't want to download Adobe Flash! If they tell you that you need it and you know that youtube is not some kind of scam, just download it!!! On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Kirt, why is it telling me to download Adobe Flash player, when > before, when I had Internet Explorer, I didn't need it? > What's the deal? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 8/5/11, Kirt Manwaring wrote: >> Joshua, >> To my knowledge, chrome's not accessible at all. I'm not sure why >> your firefox has problems with youtube; aside from that one incident >> on the faith-talk list we both know about I haven't had any issues. >> Best, >> Kirt >> >> On 8/4/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> I'm going to try that out! >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Humberto Avila < >>> avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I don't want to make you not use Google crome with JAWS or disappoint >>>> you, >>>> but I think you will find better accessibility accomplishments by using >>>> the >>>> latest version of JAWS which is 12.0. can you upgrade to JAWS 12.0? Do >>>> you >>>> have a software maintenance agreement or some way to upgrade your JAWS to >>>> 12.0 from 10.0? I'm not simply saying that JAWS 10.0 is "very outdated" >>>> but >>>> Freedom Scientific has put in a lot of effort in accessibility in the >>>> last >>>> couple of years, given that JAWS 10.0 has been released 2 years ago, >>>> regarding accessibility in browsers and MS active accessibility as well >>>> as >>>> web page support. >>>> >>>> Best of luck, >>>> Humberto >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:04 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome >>>> >>>> Humberto: >>>> I'm using Jaws, 10.0. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Humberto Avila < >>>> avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Which screen reader are you using? Are you using JAWS? Because if so, I >>>>> don't know if google Crome supports the "Virtual Cursor" yet since I >>>> know >>>>> little about accessibility on Google crome with screenreaders. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:40 PM >>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome >>>>> >>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>> I'm having problems with Google Chrome. >>>>> How can I fix it, so I can use the arrow keys on Websites, with Google >>>>> Chrome? >>>>> I just had two new browsers installed. >>>>> They are, Google Chrome, and Firefox. >>>>> Firefox works with my E-mail, but Google Chrome is the only one, that >>>> works >>>>> for Youtube. >>>>> I'd like to be able to use the arrow keys, when navigating sites, with >>>>> Google Chrome. >>>>> Thanks for your help. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>>>> >>>> %40gmail.com< >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.b >>>> ert.humberto2%0A%40gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40studen >>>> ts.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>>> %40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Aug 5 17:36:09 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:36:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <27862E40-A15D-40BA-9547-FAC768541E70@gmail.com> References: <73570115C01D4D5288A0A0EE9177FFFC@HumbertoAvila> <27862E40-A15D-40BA-9547-FAC768541E70@gmail.com> Message-ID: My question is, why do I have to do it, with Firefox, when I didn't have to download it, with Internet Explorer? I don't mind downloading it, and I will, sometime today. I just don't understand why it's just now asking for it, when it worked with internet Explorer. Blessings, Joshua On 8/5/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > Youtube has always used a flash-based media player. These days most content > is available through an html5 version, but the default is still flash. Your > problem is not that youtube doesn't work with firefox, it's that you don't > want to download Adobe Flash! If they tell you that you need it and you know > that youtube is not some kind of scam, just download it!!! > On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> Kirt, why is it telling me to download Adobe Flash player, when >> before, when I had Internet Explorer, I didn't need it? >> What's the deal? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 8/5/11, Kirt Manwaring wrote: >>> Joshua, >>> To my knowledge, chrome's not accessible at all. I'm not sure why >>> your firefox has problems with youtube; aside from that one incident >>> on the faith-talk list we both know about I haven't had any issues. >>> Best, >>> Kirt >>> >>> On 8/4/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> I'm going to try that out! >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Humberto Avila < >>>> avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> I don't want to make you not use Google crome with JAWS or disappoint >>>>> you, >>>>> but I think you will find better accessibility accomplishments by using >>>>> the >>>>> latest version of JAWS which is 12.0. can you upgrade to JAWS 12.0? Do >>>>> you >>>>> have a software maintenance agreement or some way to upgrade your JAWS >>>>> to >>>>> 12.0 from 10.0? I'm not simply saying that JAWS 10.0 is "very outdated" >>>>> but >>>>> Freedom Scientific has put in a lot of effort in accessibility in the >>>>> last >>>>> couple of years, given that JAWS 10.0 has been released 2 years ago, >>>>> regarding accessibility in browsers and MS active accessibility as well >>>>> as >>>>> web page support. >>>>> >>>>> Best of luck, >>>>> Humberto >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:04 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome >>>>> >>>>> Humberto: >>>>> I'm using Jaws, 10.0. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Humberto Avila < >>>>> avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Which screen reader are you using? Are you using JAWS? Because if so, >>>>>> I >>>>>> don't know if google Crome supports the "Virtual Cursor" yet since I >>>>> know >>>>>> little about accessibility on Google crome with screenreaders. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:40 PM >>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>> I'm having problems with Google Chrome. >>>>>> How can I fix it, so I can use the arrow keys on Websites, with Google >>>>>> Chrome? >>>>>> I just had two new browsers installed. >>>>>> They are, Google Chrome, and Firefox. >>>>>> Firefox works with my E-mail, but Google Chrome is the only one, that >>>>> works >>>>>> for Youtube. >>>>>> I'd like to be able to use the arrow keys, when navigating sites, with >>>>>> Google Chrome. >>>>>> Thanks for your help. >>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>>>>> >>>>> %40gmail.com< >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.b >>>>> ert.humberto2%0A%40gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40studen >>>>> ts.pccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From ignasicambra at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 17:45:30 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:45:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <73570115C01D4D5288A0A0EE9177FFFC@HumbertoAvila> <27862E40-A15D-40BA-9547-FAC768541E70@gmail.com> Message-ID: That's because your computer probably came with Adobe Flash preinstalled. You need to install the actual plugin again for it to work with Firefox and most other browsers. On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:36 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > My question is, why do I have to do it, with Firefox, when I didn't > have to download it, with Internet Explorer? > I don't mind downloading it, and I will, sometime today. > I just don't understand why it's just now asking for it, when it > worked with internet Explorer. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/5/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >> Youtube has always used a flash-based media player. These days most content >> is available through an html5 version, but the default is still flash. Your >> problem is not that youtube doesn't work with firefox, it's that you don't >> want to download Adobe Flash! If they tell you that you need it and you know >> that youtube is not some kind of scam, just download it!!! >> On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >>> Kirt, why is it telling me to download Adobe Flash player, when >>> before, when I had Internet Explorer, I didn't need it? >>> What's the deal? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 8/5/11, Kirt Manwaring wrote: >>>> Joshua, >>>> To my knowledge, chrome's not accessible at all. I'm not sure why >>>> your firefox has problems with youtube; aside from that one incident >>>> on the faith-talk list we both know about I haven't had any issues. >>>> Best, >>>> Kirt >>>> >>>> On 8/4/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>> I'm going to try that out! >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Humberto Avila < >>>>> avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't want to make you not use Google crome with JAWS or disappoint >>>>>> you, >>>>>> but I think you will find better accessibility accomplishments by using >>>>>> the >>>>>> latest version of JAWS which is 12.0. can you upgrade to JAWS 12.0? Do >>>>>> you >>>>>> have a software maintenance agreement or some way to upgrade your JAWS >>>>>> to >>>>>> 12.0 from 10.0? I'm not simply saying that JAWS 10.0 is "very outdated" >>>>>> but >>>>>> Freedom Scientific has put in a lot of effort in accessibility in the >>>>>> last >>>>>> couple of years, given that JAWS 10.0 has been released 2 years ago, >>>>>> regarding accessibility in browsers and MS active accessibility as well >>>>>> as >>>>>> web page support. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best of luck, >>>>>> Humberto >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:04 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome >>>>>> >>>>>> Humberto: >>>>>> I'm using Jaws, 10.0. >>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Humberto Avila < >>>>>> avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Which screen reader are you using? Are you using JAWS? Because if so, >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> don't know if google Crome supports the "Virtual Cursor" yet since I >>>>>> know >>>>>>> little about accessibility on Google crome with screenreaders. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:40 PM >>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>> I'm having problems with Google Chrome. >>>>>>> How can I fix it, so I can use the arrow keys on Websites, with Google >>>>>>> Chrome? >>>>>>> I just had two new browsers installed. >>>>>>> They are, Google Chrome, and Firefox. >>>>>>> Firefox works with my E-mail, but Google Chrome is the only one, that >>>>>> works >>>>>>> for Youtube. >>>>>>> I'd like to be able to use the arrow keys, when navigating sites, with >>>>>>> Google Chrome. >>>>>>> Thanks for your help. >>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>>>>>> >>>>>> %40gmail.com< >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.b >>>>>> ert.humberto2%0A%40gmail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40studen >>>>>> ts.pccua.edu >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 17:47:43 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:47:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <73570115C01D4D5288A0A0EE9177FFFC@HumbertoAvila> <27862E40-A15D-40BA-9547-FAC768541E70@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi everyone, I have the same problem when using YouTube with Internet Explorer. I have Adobe Flash Player, but it still says I need to download it. I did click on the link it provided to download once, went on the site, and it said that the latest version of Flash Player didn't support 64-bit browsers, like the version of IE I have with Windows 7. Does this mean that I can't play YouTube videos anymore, or is there an alternative way? By the way, I'm using YourTube, the newest accessible YouTube I know of. The link is www.povidi.com/yourtube. I'm also using JAWS 12 with Windows 7 and Internet Explorer 64-bit. Chris On 8/5/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > My question is, why do I have to do it, with Firefox, when I didn't > have to download it, with Internet Explorer? > I don't mind downloading it, and I will, sometime today. > I just don't understand why it's just now asking for it, when it > worked with internet Explorer. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/5/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >> Youtube has always used a flash-based media player. These days most >> content >> is available through an html5 version, but the default is still flash. >> Your >> problem is not that youtube doesn't work with firefox, it's that you don't >> want to download Adobe Flash! If they tell you that you need it and you >> know >> that youtube is not some kind of scam, just download it!!! >> On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >>> Kirt, why is it telling me to download Adobe Flash player, when >>> before, when I had Internet Explorer, I didn't need it? >>> What's the deal? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 8/5/11, Kirt Manwaring wrote: >>>> Joshua, >>>> To my knowledge, chrome's not accessible at all. I'm not sure why >>>> your firefox has problems with youtube; aside from that one incident >>>> on the faith-talk list we both know about I haven't had any issues. >>>> Best, >>>> Kirt >>>> >>>> On 8/4/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>> I'm going to try that out! >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Humberto Avila < >>>>> avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't want to make you not use Google crome with JAWS or disappoint >>>>>> you, >>>>>> but I think you will find better accessibility accomplishments by >>>>>> using >>>>>> the >>>>>> latest version of JAWS which is 12.0. can you upgrade to JAWS 12.0? Do >>>>>> you >>>>>> have a software maintenance agreement or some way to upgrade your JAWS >>>>>> to >>>>>> 12.0 from 10.0? I'm not simply saying that JAWS 10.0 is "very >>>>>> outdated" >>>>>> but >>>>>> Freedom Scientific has put in a lot of effort in accessibility in the >>>>>> last >>>>>> couple of years, given that JAWS 10.0 has been released 2 years ago, >>>>>> regarding accessibility in browsers and MS active accessibility as >>>>>> well >>>>>> as >>>>>> web page support. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best of luck, >>>>>> Humberto >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:04 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome >>>>>> >>>>>> Humberto: >>>>>> I'm using Jaws, 10.0. >>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Humberto Avila < >>>>>> avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Which screen reader are you using? Are you using JAWS? Because if so, >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> don't know if google Crome supports the "Virtual Cursor" yet since I >>>>>> know >>>>>>> little about accessibility on Google crome with screenreaders. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:40 PM >>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>> I'm having problems with Google Chrome. >>>>>>> How can I fix it, so I can use the arrow keys on Websites, with >>>>>>> Google >>>>>>> Chrome? >>>>>>> I just had two new browsers installed. >>>>>>> They are, Google Chrome, and Firefox. >>>>>>> Firefox works with my E-mail, but Google Chrome is the only one, that >>>>>> works >>>>>>> for Youtube. >>>>>>> I'd like to be able to use the arrow keys, when navigating sites, >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> Google Chrome. >>>>>>> Thanks for your help. >>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>>>>>> >>>>>> %40gmail.com< >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.b >>>>>> ert.humberto2%0A%40gmail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40studen >>>>>> ts.pccua.edu >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) Visit Camp Abilities online at: www.campabilities.org Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info. Sent from the Gmail Web site: www.gmail.com. From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Aug 5 17:49:50 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:49:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <73570115C01D4D5288A0A0EE9177FFFC@HumbertoAvila> <27862E40-A15D-40BA-9547-FAC768541E70@gmail.com> Message-ID: Interesting. Thanks for the information, Ignasi. Blessings, Joshua On 8/5/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > That's because your computer probably came with Adobe Flash preinstalled. > You need to install the actual plugin again for it to work with Firefox and > most other browsers. > On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:36 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> My question is, why do I have to do it, with Firefox, when I didn't >> have to download it, with Internet Explorer? >> I don't mind downloading it, and I will, sometime today. >> I just don't understand why it's just now asking for it, when it >> worked with internet Explorer. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 8/5/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>> Youtube has always used a flash-based media player. These days most >>> content >>> is available through an html5 version, but the default is still flash. >>> Your >>> problem is not that youtube doesn't work with firefox, it's that you >>> don't >>> want to download Adobe Flash! If they tell you that you need it and you >>> know >>> that youtube is not some kind of scam, just download it!!! >>> On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> >>>> Kirt, why is it telling me to download Adobe Flash player, when >>>> before, when I had Internet Explorer, I didn't need it? >>>> What's the deal? >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 8/5/11, Kirt Manwaring wrote: >>>>> Joshua, >>>>> To my knowledge, chrome's not accessible at all. I'm not sure why >>>>> your firefox has problems with youtube; aside from that one incident >>>>> on the faith-talk list we both know about I haven't had any issues. >>>>> Best, >>>>> Kirt >>>>> >>>>> On 8/4/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>> I'm going to try that out! >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Humberto Avila < >>>>>> avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't want to make you not use Google crome with JAWS or >>>>>>> disappoint >>>>>>> you, >>>>>>> but I think you will find better accessibility accomplishments by >>>>>>> using >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> latest version of JAWS which is 12.0. can you upgrade to JAWS 12.0? >>>>>>> Do >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> have a software maintenance agreement or some way to upgrade your >>>>>>> JAWS >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> 12.0 from 10.0? I'm not simply saying that JAWS 10.0 is "very >>>>>>> outdated" >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> Freedom Scientific has put in a lot of effort in accessibility in the >>>>>>> last >>>>>>> couple of years, given that JAWS 10.0 has been released 2 years ago, >>>>>>> regarding accessibility in browsers and MS active accessibility as >>>>>>> well >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> web page support. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best of luck, >>>>>>> Humberto >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:04 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Humberto: >>>>>>> I'm using Jaws, 10.0. >>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Humberto Avila < >>>>>>> avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Which screen reader are you using? Are you using JAWS? Because if >>>>>>>> so, >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> don't know if google Crome supports the "Virtual Cursor" yet since >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>> know >>>>>>>> little about accessibility on Google crome with screenreaders. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:40 PM >>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>> I'm having problems with Google Chrome. >>>>>>>> How can I fix it, so I can use the arrow keys on Websites, with >>>>>>>> Google >>>>>>>> Chrome? >>>>>>>> I just had two new browsers installed. >>>>>>>> They are, Google Chrome, and Firefox. >>>>>>>> Firefox works with my E-mail, but Google Chrome is the only one, >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>> works >>>>>>>> for Youtube. >>>>>>>> I'd like to be able to use the arrow keys, when navigating sites, >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> Google Chrome. >>>>>>>> Thanks for your help. >>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> %40gmail.com< >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.b >>>>>>> ert.humberto2%0A%40gmail.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 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> From ignasicambra at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 17:57:38 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:57:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <73570115C01D4D5288A0A0EE9177FFFC@HumbertoAvila> <27862E40-A15D-40BA-9547-FAC768541E70@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi! Windows 7 X64 comes with IE in both 64 and 32 bit. Just look for the 32bit version somewhere in your programs menu in the start menu and Flash should work. If not, you can find a beta on Adobe's site which does support 64bit. On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:47 PM, chris nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I have the same problem when using YouTube with Internet Explorer. I > have Adobe Flash Player, but it still says I need to download it. I > did click on the link it provided to download once, went on the site, > and it said that the latest version of Flash Player didn't support > 64-bit browsers, like the version of IE I have with Windows 7. Does > this mean that I can't play YouTube videos anymore, or is there an > alternative way? By the way, I'm using YourTube, the newest accessible > YouTube I know of. The link is www.povidi.com/yourtube. I'm also using > JAWS 12 with Windows 7 and Internet Explorer 64-bit. > > Chris > > On 8/5/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> My question is, why do I have to do it, with Firefox, when I didn't >> have to download it, with Internet Explorer? >> I don't mind downloading it, and I will, sometime today. >> I just don't understand why it's just now asking for it, when it >> worked with internet Explorer. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 8/5/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>> Youtube has always used a flash-based media player. These days most >>> content >>> is available through an html5 version, but the default is still flash. >>> Your >>> problem is not that youtube doesn't work with firefox, it's that you don't >>> want to download Adobe Flash! If they tell you that you need it and you >>> know >>> that youtube is not some kind of scam, just download it!!! >>> On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> >>>> Kirt, why is it telling me to download Adobe Flash player, when >>>> before, when I had Internet Explorer, I didn't need it? >>>> What's the deal? >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 8/5/11, Kirt Manwaring wrote: >>>>> Joshua, >>>>> To my knowledge, chrome's not accessible at all. I'm not sure why >>>>> your firefox has problems with youtube; aside from that one incident >>>>> on the faith-talk list we both know about I haven't had any issues. >>>>> Best, >>>>> Kirt >>>>> >>>>> On 8/4/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>> I'm going to try that out! >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Humberto Avila < >>>>>> avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't want to make you not use Google crome with JAWS or disappoint >>>>>>> you, >>>>>>> but I think you will find better accessibility accomplishments by >>>>>>> using >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> latest version of JAWS which is 12.0. can you upgrade to JAWS 12.0? Do >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> have a software maintenance agreement or some way to upgrade your JAWS >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> 12.0 from 10.0? I'm not simply saying that JAWS 10.0 is "very >>>>>>> outdated" >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> Freedom Scientific has put in a lot of effort in accessibility in the >>>>>>> last >>>>>>> couple of years, given that JAWS 10.0 has been released 2 years ago, >>>>>>> regarding accessibility in browsers and MS active accessibility as >>>>>>> well >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> web page support. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best of luck, >>>>>>> Humberto >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:04 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Humberto: >>>>>>> I'm using Jaws, 10.0. >>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Humberto Avila < >>>>>>> avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Which screen reader are you using? Are you using JAWS? Because if so, >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> don't know if google Crome supports the "Virtual Cursor" yet since I >>>>>>> know >>>>>>>> little about accessibility on Google crome with screenreaders. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:40 PM >>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>> I'm having problems with Google Chrome. >>>>>>>> How can I fix it, so I can use the arrow keys on Websites, with >>>>>>>> Google >>>>>>>> Chrome? >>>>>>>> I just had two new browsers installed. >>>>>>>> They are, Google Chrome, and Firefox. >>>>>>>> Firefox works with my E-mail, but Google Chrome is the only one, that >>>>>>> works >>>>>>>> for Youtube. >>>>>>>> I'd like to be able to use the arrow keys, when navigating sites, >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> Google Chrome. >>>>>>>> Thanks for your help. >>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> %40gmail.com< >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.b >>>>>>> ert.humberto2%0A%40gmail.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40studen >>>>>>> ts.pccua.edu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris > > "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > Visit Camp Abilities online at: www.campabilities.org > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info. > > Sent from the Gmail Web site: www.gmail.com. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Aug 5 18:02:05 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:02:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <73570115C01D4D5288A0A0EE9177FFFC@HumbertoAvila> <27862E40-A15D-40BA-9547-FAC768541E70@gmail.com> Message-ID: We had problems installing Internet Explorer 9, due to a service pack not installing. They talked about updating it to Windows 7, but I'm not wanting to go that route. I'm happy with Firefox, so I'm just downloading the flash player. Blessings, Joshua On 8/5/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > Hi! > Windows 7 X64 comes with IE in both 64 and 32 bit. Just look for the 32bit > version somewhere in your programs menu in the start menu and Flash should > work. If not, you can find a beta on Adobe's site which does support 64bit. > On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:47 PM, chris nusbaum wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> I have the same problem when using YouTube with Internet Explorer. I >> have Adobe Flash Player, but it still says I need to download it. I >> did click on the link it provided to download once, went on the site, >> and it said that the latest version of Flash Player didn't support >> 64-bit browsers, like the version of IE I have with Windows 7. Does >> this mean that I can't play YouTube videos anymore, or is there an >> alternative way? By the way, I'm using YourTube, the newest accessible >> YouTube I know of. The link is www.povidi.com/yourtube. I'm also using >> JAWS 12 with Windows 7 and Internet Explorer 64-bit. >> >> Chris >> >> On 8/5/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> My question is, why do I have to do it, with Firefox, when I didn't >>> have to download it, with Internet Explorer? >>> I don't mind downloading it, and I will, sometime today. >>> I just don't understand why it's just now asking for it, when it >>> worked with internet Explorer. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 8/5/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>> Youtube has always used a flash-based media player. These days most >>>> content >>>> is available through an html5 version, but the default is still flash. >>>> Your >>>> problem is not that youtube doesn't work with firefox, it's that you >>>> don't >>>> want to download Adobe Flash! If they tell you that you need it and you >>>> know >>>> that youtube is not some kind of scam, just download it!!! >>>> On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> >>>>> Kirt, why is it telling me to download Adobe Flash player, when >>>>> before, when I had Internet Explorer, I didn't need it? >>>>> What's the deal? >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 8/5/11, Kirt Manwaring wrote: >>>>>> Joshua, >>>>>> To my knowledge, chrome's not accessible at all. I'm not sure why >>>>>> your firefox has problems with youtube; aside from that one incident >>>>>> on the faith-talk list we both know about I haven't had any issues. >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Kirt >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/4/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>>> I'm going to try that out! >>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Humberto Avila < >>>>>>> avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't want to make you not use Google crome with JAWS or >>>>>>>> disappoint >>>>>>>> you, >>>>>>>> but I think you will find better accessibility accomplishments by >>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> latest version of JAWS which is 12.0. can you upgrade to JAWS 12.0? >>>>>>>> Do >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> have a software maintenance agreement or some way to upgrade your >>>>>>>> JAWS >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> 12.0 from 10.0? I'm not simply saying that JAWS 10.0 is "very >>>>>>>> outdated" >>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>> Freedom Scientific has put in a lot of effort in accessibility in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> last >>>>>>>> couple of years, given that JAWS 10.0 has been released 2 years ago, >>>>>>>> regarding accessibility in browsers and MS active accessibility as >>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> web page support. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best of luck, >>>>>>>> Humberto >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:04 PM >>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Humberto: >>>>>>>> I'm using Jaws, 10.0. >>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Humberto Avila < >>>>>>>> avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Which screen reader are you using? Are you using JAWS? Because if >>>>>>>>> so, >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> don't know if google Crome supports the "Virtual Cursor" yet since >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>> little about accessibility on Google crome with screenreaders. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:40 PM >>>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>>> I'm having problems with Google Chrome. >>>>>>>>> How can I fix it, so I can use the arrow keys on Websites, with >>>>>>>>> Google >>>>>>>>> Chrome? >>>>>>>>> I just had two new browsers installed. >>>>>>>>> They are, Google Chrome, and Firefox. >>>>>>>>> Firefox works with my E-mail, but Google Chrome is the only one, >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>> for Youtube. >>>>>>>>> I'd like to be able to use the arrow keys, when navigating sites, >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> Google Chrome. >>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help. >>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> %40gmail.com< >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.b >>>>>>>> ert.humberto2%0A%40gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40studen >>>>>>>> ts.pccua.edu >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris >> >> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >> Visit Camp Abilities online at: www.campabilities.org >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info. >> >> Sent from the Gmail Web site: www.gmail.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dandrews at visi.com Fri Aug 5 19:00:00 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 14:00:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Student List Message-ID: <4E3C3DB0.4000903@visi.com> As an ex-student in West Virginia, I am pleased to be able to announce that the West Virginia Association of Blind Students has its own mailing list, similar to this one. It is moderated by Bre Brown. To join either go to: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbwvabs_nfbnet.org or send e-mail to nfbwvabs-request at nfbnet.org and put the word subscribe in the subject line. Dave -- David Andrews and long white cane Harry. david.andrews at nfbnet.org Follow me on Twitter @dandrews920 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 20:36:15 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:36:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] yet another Skype question/problem Message-ID: Hi everyone, Here we go again with yet another problem with Skype and the Doug Lee script. How do I accept contact requests? I went to the contact requests page, found an alert, and hit the add to contacts button. But went I activated it, JAWS stopped talking, and when I called this person (who is in fact my grandma) on the phone, she said that it still said "This person has not shared their details with you." I called FS and they couldn't help me because the script was made by a third party, and suggested that I go on this guy's site and look for contact info. I did, but there was no such info to be found. So, how do we fix this? Thanks! Chris P.S. By the way, Arianna's Art (the painting business I've been talking about) now has a Facebook page! You can like us at Arianna Lipka's Art for the Blind. -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 20:40:10 2011 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:40:10 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <73570115C01D4D5288A0A0EE9177FFFC@HumbertoAvila> <27862E40-A15D-40BA-9547-FAC768541E70@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm guessing that your flash needs updating maybe? That box pops up sometimes and I just do their little instal process. If that's not what it is, I have no idea. On 8/5/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > We had problems installing Internet Explorer 9, due to a service pack > not installing. > They talked about updating it to Windows 7, but I'm not wanting to go > that route. > I'm happy with Firefox, so I'm just downloading the flash player. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/5/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >> Hi! >> Windows 7 X64 comes with IE in both 64 and 32 bit. Just look for the 32bit >> version somewhere in your programs menu in the start menu and Flash should >> work. If not, you can find a beta on Adobe's site which does support >> 64bit. >> On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:47 PM, chris nusbaum wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I have the same problem when using YouTube with Internet Explorer. I >>> have Adobe Flash Player, but it still says I need to download it. I >>> did click on the link it provided to download once, went on the site, >>> and it said that the latest version of Flash Player didn't support >>> 64-bit browsers, like the version of IE I have with Windows 7. Does >>> this mean that I can't play YouTube videos anymore, or is there an >>> alternative way? By the way, I'm using YourTube, the newest accessible >>> YouTube I know of. The link is www.povidi.com/yourtube. I'm also using >>> JAWS 12 with Windows 7 and Internet Explorer 64-bit. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 8/5/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> My question is, why do I have to do it, with Firefox, when I didn't >>>> have to download it, with Internet Explorer? >>>> I don't mind downloading it, and I will, sometime today. >>>> I just don't understand why it's just now asking for it, when it >>>> worked with internet Explorer. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 8/5/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>>> Youtube has always used a flash-based media player. These days most >>>>> content >>>>> is available through an html5 version, but the default is still flash. >>>>> Your >>>>> problem is not that youtube doesn't work with firefox, it's that you >>>>> don't >>>>> want to download Adobe Flash! If they tell you that you need it and you >>>>> know >>>>> that youtube is not some kind of scam, just download it!!! >>>>> On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Kirt, why is it telling me to download Adobe Flash player, when >>>>>> before, when I had Internet Explorer, I didn't need it? >>>>>> What's the deal? >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/5/11, Kirt Manwaring wrote: >>>>>>> Joshua, >>>>>>> To my knowledge, chrome's not accessible at all. I'm not sure why >>>>>>> your firefox has problems with youtube; aside from that one incident >>>>>>> on the faith-talk list we both know about I haven't had any issues. >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Kirt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/4/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>>>> I'm going to try that out! >>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Humberto Avila < >>>>>>>> avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't want to make you not use Google crome with JAWS or >>>>>>>>> disappoint >>>>>>>>> you, >>>>>>>>> but I think you will find better accessibility accomplishments by >>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> latest version of JAWS which is 12.0. can you upgrade to JAWS 12.0? >>>>>>>>> Do >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> have a software maintenance agreement or some way to upgrade your >>>>>>>>> JAWS >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> 12.0 from 10.0? I'm not simply saying that JAWS 10.0 is "very >>>>>>>>> outdated" >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> Freedom Scientific has put in a lot of effort in accessibility in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> last >>>>>>>>> couple of years, given that JAWS 10.0 has been released 2 years >>>>>>>>> ago, >>>>>>>>> regarding accessibility in browsers and MS active accessibility as >>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> web page support. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best of luck, >>>>>>>>> Humberto >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:04 PM >>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Humberto: >>>>>>>>> I'm using Jaws, 10.0. >>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Humberto Avila < >>>>>>>>> avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Which screen reader are you using? Are you using JAWS? Because if >>>>>>>>>> so, >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> don't know if google Crome supports the "Virtual Cursor" yet >>>>>>>>>> since >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>> little about accessibility on Google crome with screenreaders. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:40 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>>>> I'm having problems with Google Chrome. >>>>>>>>>> How can I fix it, so I can use the arrow keys on Websites, with >>>>>>>>>> Google >>>>>>>>>> Chrome? >>>>>>>>>> I just had two new browsers installed. >>>>>>>>>> They are, Google Chrome, and Firefox. >>>>>>>>>> Firefox works with my E-mail, but Google Chrome is the only one, >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>> for Youtube. >>>>>>>>>> I'd like to be able to use the arrow keys, when navigating sites, >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> Google Chrome. >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help. >>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> %40gmail.com< >>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.b >>>>>>>>> ert.humberto2%0A%40gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40studen >>>>>>>>> ts.pccua.edu >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>>>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris >>> >>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >>> Visit Camp Abilities online at: www.campabilities.org >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info. >>> >>> Sent from the Gmail Web site: www.gmail.com. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Fri Aug 5 21:04:13 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 16:04:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <73570115C01D4D5288A0A0EE9177FFFC@HumbertoAvila> <27862E40-A15D-40BA-9547-FAC768541E70@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E3C5ACD.3040208@visi.com> Flash is generally played in a browser through a plug-in. This plug-in may be present, or not, and if it isn't that is why you are being prompted to download. Dave On 8/5/2011 12:36 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > My question is, why do I have to do it, with Firefox, when I didn't > have to download it, with Internet Explorer? > I don't mind downloading it, and I will, sometime today. > I just don't understand why it's just now asking for it, when it > worked with internet Explorer. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/5/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >> Youtube has always used a flash-based media player. These days most content >> is available through an html5 version, but the default is still flash. Your >> problem is not that youtube doesn't work with firefox, it's that you don't >> want to download Adobe Flash! If they tell you that you need it and you know >> that youtube is not some kind of scam, just download it!!! >> On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >>> Kirt, why is it telling me to download Adobe Flash player, when >>> before, when I had Internet Explorer, I didn't need it? >>> What's the deal? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 8/5/11, Kirt Manwaring wrote: >>>> Joshua, >>>> To my knowledge, chrome's not accessible at all. I'm not sure why >>>> your firefox has problems with youtube; aside from that one incident >>>> on the faith-talk list we both know about I haven't had any issues. >>>> Best, >>>> Kirt >>>> >>>> On 8/4/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>> I'm going to try that out! >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Humberto Avila< >>>>> avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't want to make you not use Google crome with JAWS or disappoint >>>>>> you, >>>>>> but I think you will find better accessibility accomplishments by using >>>>>> the >>>>>> latest version of JAWS which is 12.0. can you upgrade to JAWS 12.0? Do >>>>>> you >>>>>> have a software maintenance agreement or some way to upgrade your JAWS >>>>>> to >>>>>> 12.0 from 10.0? I'm not simply saying that JAWS 10.0 is "very outdated" >>>>>> but >>>>>> Freedom Scientific has put in a lot of effort in accessibility in the >>>>>> last >>>>>> couple of years, given that JAWS 10.0 has been released 2 years ago, >>>>>> regarding accessibility in browsers and MS active accessibility as well >>>>>> as >>>>>> web page support. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best of luck, >>>>>> Humberto >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:04 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome >>>>>> >>>>>> Humberto: >>>>>> I'm using Jaws, 10.0. >>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Humberto Avila< >>>>>> avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Which screen reader are you using? Are you using JAWS? Because if so, >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> don't know if google Crome supports the "Virtual Cursor" yet since I >>>>>> know >>>>>>> little about accessibility on Google crome with screenreaders. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:40 PM >>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>> I'm having problems with Google Chrome. >>>>>>> How can I fix it, so I can use the arrow keys on Websites, with Google >>>>>>> Chrome? >>>>>>> I just had two new browsers installed. >>>>>>> They are, Google Chrome, and Firefox. >>>>>>> Firefox works with my E-mail, but Google Chrome is the only one, that >>>>>> works >>>>>>> for Youtube. >>>>>>> I'd like to be able to use the arrow keys, when navigating sites, with >>>>>>> Google Chrome. >>>>>>> Thanks for your help. >>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>> ___________________ From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Aug 5 21:19:57 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:19:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <73570115C01D4D5288A0A0EE9177FFFC@HumbertoAvila> <27862E40-A15D-40BA-9547-FAC768541E70@gmail.com> Message-ID: I just installed it, and it's working fine. Blessings, Joshua On 8/5/11, Kirt Manwaring wrote: > I'm guessing that your flash needs updating maybe? That box pops up > sometimes and I just do their little instal process. If that's not > what it is, I have no idea. > > On 8/5/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> We had problems installing Internet Explorer 9, due to a service pack >> not installing. >> They talked about updating it to Windows 7, but I'm not wanting to go >> that route. >> I'm happy with Firefox, so I'm just downloading the flash player. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 8/5/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>> Hi! >>> Windows 7 X64 comes with IE in both 64 and 32 bit. Just look for the >>> 32bit >>> version somewhere in your programs menu in the start menu and Flash >>> should >>> work. If not, you can find a beta on Adobe's site which does support >>> 64bit. >>> On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:47 PM, chris nusbaum wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> I have the same problem when using YouTube with Internet Explorer. I >>>> have Adobe Flash Player, but it still says I need to download it. I >>>> did click on the link it provided to download once, went on the site, >>>> and it said that the latest version of Flash Player didn't support >>>> 64-bit browsers, like the version of IE I have with Windows 7. Does >>>> this mean that I can't play YouTube videos anymore, or is there an >>>> alternative way? By the way, I'm using YourTube, the newest accessible >>>> YouTube I know of. The link is www.povidi.com/yourtube. I'm also using >>>> JAWS 12 with Windows 7 and Internet Explorer 64-bit. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> On 8/5/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>> My question is, why do I have to do it, with Firefox, when I didn't >>>>> have to download it, with Internet Explorer? >>>>> I don't mind downloading it, and I will, sometime today. >>>>> I just don't understand why it's just now asking for it, when it >>>>> worked with internet Explorer. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 8/5/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>>>> Youtube has always used a flash-based media player. These days most >>>>>> content >>>>>> is available through an html5 version, but the default is still flash. >>>>>> Your >>>>>> problem is not that youtube doesn't work with firefox, it's that you >>>>>> don't >>>>>> want to download Adobe Flash! If they tell you that you need it and >>>>>> you >>>>>> know >>>>>> that youtube is not some kind of scam, just download it!!! >>>>>> On Aug 5, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Kirt, why is it telling me to download Adobe Flash player, when >>>>>>> before, when I had Internet Explorer, I didn't need it? >>>>>>> What's the deal? >>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/5/11, Kirt Manwaring wrote: >>>>>>>> Joshua, >>>>>>>> To my knowledge, chrome's not accessible at all. I'm not sure why >>>>>>>> your firefox has problems with youtube; aside from that one incident >>>>>>>> on the faith-talk list we both know about I haven't had any issues. >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Kirt >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 8/4/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>>>>> I'm going to try that out! >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Humberto Avila < >>>>>>>>> avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don't want to make you not use Google crome with JAWS or >>>>>>>>>> disappoint >>>>>>>>>> you, >>>>>>>>>> but I think you will find better accessibility accomplishments by >>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> latest version of JAWS which is 12.0. can you upgrade to JAWS >>>>>>>>>> 12.0? >>>>>>>>>> Do >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> have a software maintenance agreement or some way to upgrade your >>>>>>>>>> JAWS >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> 12.0 from 10.0? I'm not simply saying that JAWS 10.0 is "very >>>>>>>>>> outdated" >>>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>>> Freedom Scientific has put in a lot of effort in accessibility in >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> last >>>>>>>>>> couple of years, given that JAWS 10.0 has been released 2 years >>>>>>>>>> ago, >>>>>>>>>> regarding accessibility in browsers and MS active accessibility as >>>>>>>>>> well >>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>> web page support. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Best of luck, >>>>>>>>>> Humberto >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:04 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Humberto: >>>>>>>>>> I'm using Jaws, 10.0. >>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Humberto Avila < >>>>>>>>>> avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Which screen reader are you using? Are you using JAWS? Because if >>>>>>>>>>> so, >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> don't know if google Crome supports the "Virtual Cursor" yet >>>>>>>>>>> since >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>>> little about accessibility on Google crome with screenreaders. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:40 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Trouble with Google Chrome >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>>>>> I'm having problems with Google Chrome. >>>>>>>>>>> How can I fix it, so I can use the arrow keys on Websites, with >>>>>>>>>>> Google >>>>>>>>>>> Chrome? >>>>>>>>>>> I just had two new browsers installed. >>>>>>>>>>> They are, Google Chrome, and Firefox. >>>>>>>>>>> Firefox works with my E-mail, but Google Chrome is the only one, >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> works >>>>>>>>>>> for Youtube. >>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to be able to use the arrow keys, when navigating sites, >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> Google Chrome. >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help. >>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> %40gmail.com< >>>>>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.b >>>>>>>>>> ert.humberto2%0A%40gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> 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>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) >>>> Visit Camp Abilities online at: www.campabilities.org >>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info. >>>> >>>> Sent from the Gmail Web site: www.gmail.com. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 23:30:57 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 17:30:57 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] yet another Skype question/problem Message-ID: <4e3c7d3c.c926440a.78e0.1d7d@mx.google.com> Chris, Yet again, I think I might be able to save you some headache pain meds. lol First, don't bother going to the page. Look around with your tab key until you hit your contact list. Then, go to a button that says, "contact requeests button." Press this button, then a list will pop up. Then, you would hit tab again. There should be something there that says, "add to contacts button." Hit that, and a sound or two should come on and Grandma should be online. Hope this helps. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: chris nusbaum New Organization for the totally Blind Development and new students division for the totally blind Development: attention all totaly Blind United States residents: 100% very 100% immediate 100% very 100% urgent response required: Hi my name is Alexander Kaiser. I would like to start an organization of totally blind people in The United States. I would like to name this organization the American Union of the totally Blind (AUTB) incorporated. I would also like to start a students organization for the totally Blind in the United States called the American union of totally Blind Students Coalition Incorporated (AUTBSCI. I am looking into starting these organizations as immediately as I can receive signatures. I am looking for all interested blind people in the united States including the District of Columbia. Please contact me if interested in developing these organizations. I accept braille letters phone calls and iemails and skype calls. My address is Attention: Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser 54 Elm Street Florham Park, New Jersey 07932. email: metalgod1030 at inbox.com. Phone: 1 9 7 3 5 2 5 8 0 9 6. I can also be contacted on Klango, skype, yahoo messenger, windows live messenger and aim. My klango id is alexkaiser1030. My skype ID is Alexander.the.great1990. My yahoo IM ID is weatherwiz999 at yahoo.com. My aim screen name is coloradorockiesfan at gmx.com. My windows live messenger ID is coloradorockiesfan at gmx.com. My alternate email address is weatherwiz999 at optonline.net. Please contact me as immediately as possible to start these important organizations. Sincerely, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser ____________________________________________________________ FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks & orcas on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/marineaquarium From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 03:49:09 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 20:49:09 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Home computer issues Message-ID: Hello all, I'm having problems with my home computer. So, I hit the power button and it boots up. It loads the windows logo and bootloader and everything. But then it brings up a "Checking volume for errors" screen (according to sighted request). After that, the error check is complete and it restarts again, but this time, it got to the part where the user logs in, and it freezes. It gets stuck there. JAWS does not even start or anything . I try to log in but it doesn't work; it is just frozen. Could this be a hardware issue with my system? could this be a failure on the operating system? Any tips on how to probably fix this are welcome. You can email me off list if you want. From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 07:32:25 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 03:32:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] scanners Message-ID: Hi; I am looking for a new scanner. Mine just does not want to work correctly. I am wanting to get one that is portable fits in a laptop case weighs less than four LBS powers from a laptop Would be nice if an AC power cord is optional Scans quickly has an OCR buttons instead of digital does not have to run off of open book/K1000 or any other one of those programs What could anyone advise? Thanks Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 16:04:33 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 12:04:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Braillenote] Blind UK drummer climbs 125 foot mast to raise moneyfor the Jubilee Sailing Trust Message-ID: <4e3d663d.0607e50a.2880.ffff8876@mx.google.com> ---- Original Message ------ From: John Ramm ---- Original Message ------ From: "Lazar, Jonathan" Interesting! Dave, if you feel it necessary, can you cross post this to the NFBNET-MEMBERS list? Chris "A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: Matt Roberts From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 17:04:17 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 10:04:17 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] scanners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110806170412.GL3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> Do you need a flatbed or a sheet-fed model? Single or double sided? Paper tray or one page at a time? Joseph - kf7qzc On Sat, Aug 06, 2011 at 03:32:25AM -0400, Lea williams wrote: >Hi; I am looking for a new scanner. >Mine just does not want to work correctly. >I am wanting to get one that is >portable >fits in a laptop case >weighs less than four LBS >powers from a laptop >Would be nice if an AC power cord is optional >Scans quickly >has an OCR >buttons instead of digital >does not have to run off of open book/K1000 or any other one of those programs > >What could anyone advise? >Thanks > > Lea Williams > >Phone; >704-732-4470 >Skipe; >Lea.williams738 >Facebook >http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 17:23:53 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 13:23:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] scanners In-Reply-To: <20110806170412.GL3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <20110806170412.GL3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: flatbed for school books On 8/6/11, T. Joseph Carter wrote: > Do you need a flatbed or a sheet-fed model? Single or double sided? > Paper tray or one page at a time? > > Joseph - kf7qzc > > > On Sat, Aug 06, 2011 at 03:32:25AM -0400, Lea williams wrote: >>Hi; I am looking for a new scanner. >>Mine just does not want to work correctly. >>I am wanting to get one that is >>portable >>fits in a laptop case >>weighs less than four LBS >>powers from a laptop >>Would be nice if an AC power cord is optional >>Scans quickly >>has an OCR >>buttons instead of digital >>does not have to run off of open book/K1000 or any other one of those >> programs >> >>What could anyone advise? >>Thanks >> >> Lea Williams >> >>Phone; >>704-732-4470 >>Skipe; >>Lea.williams738 >>Facebook >>http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 17:43:48 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 13:43:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account Message-ID: <4e3d7d81.4ad4e00a.43eb.1793@mx.google.com> Hi everyone, How do I create a Gmail account? Thanks! Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: wwwddicanfoundationddinfo for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 18:14:11 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 14:14:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] organizations development need list of names Message-ID: <4e3d849f.e461340a.2795.6a5c@mx.google.com> Hi everyone, Oh, him again? Dave, didn't you ban this guy from the list awhile ago? Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser" , , ,, , References: <4e3d849f.e461340a.2795.6a5c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <008501cc5466$5201f880$f605e980$@net> Chris- Please stop forwarding stuff that has already been posted here. Thanks. Tina -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 11:14 AM To: Blind Talk Mailing List; acb-l at acb.org; acb-chat at acb.org; leadership at acb.org; nabs-l at nfbnet.org; NFB-talk at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] organizations development need list of names Hi everyone, Oh, him again? Dave, didn't you ban this guy from the list awhile ago? Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser" , , ,, , Hi Tina, Just so you know, the email was my reply to the email. Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Thomas" , , ,, , References: <4e3d7d81.4ad4e00a.43eb.1793@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Chris, It's really straightforward. Go to the Gmail page. There should be a link that says "Create account." (Or something to that effect.) Once you click that, it's just a matter of putting the right info into the right fields. Patrick On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > How do I create a Gmail account? Thanks! > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the > Blind! > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > wwwddicanfoundationddinfo for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 19:17:13 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 15:17:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account Message-ID: <4e3d9366.121fe00a.6eb4.3d60@mx.google.com> Hi Patrick, Do you mean the Gmail home page? If so, I don't see a link to do this. I also don't see a link in the Inbox page for my Gmail to create a new account. Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Molloy wrote: Hi everyone, How do I create a Gmail account? Thanks! Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: wwwddicanfoundationddinfo for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol loy%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Aug 6 19:25:56 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 14:25:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Youtube's giving me fits, again! Message-ID: Hi, it's Joshua Lester. I downloaded the Adobe Flash player, yesterday. Now, when i go to Youtube, (both regular, and accessible interfaces,) and I type in a video. After I click on the video, Jaws stops talking, and the screen goes blank. I shut down the computer, and restart. After I go back to Firefox, the video starts playing, out of the blue. Why does it do that? Why won't it work, like it does with IE? The guy that put the new browsers on this computer, made the mistake of removing IE, which makes me mad! Please help! Thanks, Joshua From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 19:32:44 2011 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:32:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account In-Reply-To: <4e3d9366.121fe00a.6eb4.3d60@mx.google.com> References: <4e3d9366.121fe00a.6eb4.3d60@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Chris, The link I'm talking about is right at the bottom of the page where you would put in your username and password. Patrick On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Patrick, > > Do you mean the Gmail home page? If so, I don't see a link to do > this. I also don't see a link in the Inbox page for my Gmail to > create a new account. > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Check us out online at: > http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick Molloy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 14:58:25 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account > > Chris, > It's really straightforward. Go to the Gmail page. There should > be a > link that says "Create account." (Or something to that effect.) > Once > you click that, it's just a matter of putting the right info into > the > right fields. > Patrick > > On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > How do I create a Gmail account? Thanks! > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the > Blind! > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > wwwddicanfoundationddinfo for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and > visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol > loy%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 19:39:58 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 12:39:58 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfbmd] Fwd: [Nfbf-l] Bad news for blind and visually impairedpeople In-Reply-To: <4e3d6cf0.c487e50a.2055.ffff89e0@mx.google.com> References: <4e3d6cf0.c487e50a.2055.ffff89e0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20110806193955.GM3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> This was posted when the decision came out and discussed at considerable length. This is the problem when you start forwarding people’s forwards of forwarded forwards—the NFB was the plaintiff in the case, so of course we know the outcome already. The judge ruled California state law does not supersede the federal Air Carrier Access Act which claims any and all jurisdiction for accessibility in and around airports. We’re not done with this. Joseph - kf7qzc On Sat, Aug 06, 2011 at 12:33:07PM -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >Interesting! Dave, if you feel it necessary, can you cross post this >to the NFBNET-MEMBERS list? > >Chris > >"A loss of sight, never a loss of vision!" (Camp Abilities motto) > >The I C.A.N. Foundation helps visually impaired youth in Maryland >have the ability to confidently say "I can!" How? Click on this link >to learn more and to contribute: www.icanfoundation.info or like us >on Facebook at I C.A.N. Foundation. > > > >Sent from my BrailleNote > >---- Original Message ------ >From: Matt Roberts Subject: [Nfbmd] Fwd: [Nfbf-l] Bad news for blind and visually >impairedpeople >Date sent: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 16:54:37 -0400 > >I thought this would be information of interest to my NFB friends in >Maryland. > >Matt Roberts > >Sent from my iPad > >Begin forwarded message: > >From: "Sherri" Date: August 4, 2011 9:49:52 AM EDT >To: Subject: [Nfbf-l] Bad news for blind and visually impaired people >Reply-To: NFB of Florida Internet Mailing List > >Fred's Head from APH posted RT @Jennison: Federal judge rules airline >websites & kiosks, specifically, do not need to be accessible >http://bit.ly/q9cYMH > >Sherri >_______________________________________________ >Nfbf-l mailing list >Nfbf-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbf-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >Nfbf-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbf-l_nfbnet.org/blindbike >rnfb%40cfl.rr.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 19:49:46 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 15:49:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account Message-ID: <4e3d9b07.89af340a.7014.6c0d@mx.google.com> Hi Patrick, No, I don't see it. This is the whole page that I see when I first go to gmail.com: was Get faster Gmail Username: ex: pat at example.com Password: Remember me (cgg2011 Google -- Help -- Terms of Service Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Molloy wrote: Hi Patrick, Do you mean the Gmail home page? If so, I don't see a link to do this. I also don't see a link in the Inbox page for my Gmail to create a new account. Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Molloy wrote: Hi everyone, How do I create a Gmail account? Thanks! Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: wwwddicanfoundationddinfo for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol loy%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol loy%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 19:49:47 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 15:49:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfbmd] Fwd: [Nfbf-l] Bad news for blind and visuallyimpairedpeople Message-ID: <4e3d9b09.89af340a.7014.6c0e@mx.google.com> Oh=20yeah,=20the=20same=20thing!=20I'm=20glad=20we're=20not=20done! Chris=20Nusbaum =20=20Sales=20and=20Advertising=20Coordinator =20=20Arianna's=20Art=20Inc.=20=20Paintings=20for=20the=20Blind=20and=20Sig= hted!!! Check=20us=20out=20online=20at:=20 http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! =20=20Like=20us=20on=20Facebook!=20Search=20for=20Arianna=20Lipka =20=20Visit=20the=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20online=20at:=20 www.icanfoundation.info=20for information=20on=20our=20foundation=20and=20how=20it=20helps=20blind=20and= =20visually impaired=20children=20in=20MD=20say=20"I=20can!" =20Sent=20from=20my=20BrailleNote =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"T.=20=20Joseph=20Carter"=20 References: <4e3d9b07.89af340a.7014.6c0d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: After the log in button there is a link called create an account. You go to that link, Or try this, I am posting the link of the page to create a new email. It should take you to it. https://www.google.com/accounts/NewAccount?service=mail&continue=http://mail.google.com/mail/e-11-dc8515fa9ccf843ad60fb4df24738-86b66d099d3463a7953cde6da59fc4a283c716cb&type=2 On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Patrick, > > No, I don't see it. This is the whole page that I see when I > first go to gmail.com: was Get faster Gmail > > Username: > > ex: pat at example.com > Password: > Remember me > > > > > (cgg2011 Google -- Help -- Terms of Service > > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Check us out online at: > http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick Molloy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:32:44 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account > > Chris, > The link I'm talking about is right at the bottom of the page > where > you would put in your username and password. > Patrick > > On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Patrick, > > Do you mean the Gmail home page? If so, I don't see a link to do > this. I also don't see a link in the Inbox page for my Gmail to > create a new account. > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Check us out online at: > http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and > visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick Molloy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 14:58:25 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account > > Chris, > It's really straightforward. Go to the Gmail page. There > should > be a > link that says "Create account." (Or something to that effect.) > Once > you click that, it's just a matter of putting the right info > into > the > right fields. > Patrick > > On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > How do I create a Gmail account? Thanks! > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the > Blind! > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > wwwddicanfoundationddinfo for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and > visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol > loy%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol > loy%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From ignasicambra at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 20:06:52 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:06:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account In-Reply-To: <4e3d9b07.89af340a.7014.6c0d@mx.google.com> References: <4e3d9b07.89af340a.7014.6c0d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: After a link called "Can't access your account?" there's a line that says "New to Gmail? It's free and easy." and right after that you will find the "Create an account" link. What OS and screen reader are you using? This page should really work well with anything... On Aug 6, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Patrick, > > No, I don't see it. This is the whole page that I see when I first go to gmail.com: was Get faster Gmail > > Username: > > ex: pat at example.com > Password: > Remember me > > > > > (cgg2011 Google -- Help -- Terms of Service > > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick Molloy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:32:44 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account > > Chris, > The link I'm talking about is right at the bottom of the page where > you would put in your username and password. > Patrick > > On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Patrick, > > Do you mean the Gmail home page? If so, I don't see a link to do > this. I also don't see a link in the Inbox page for my Gmail to > create a new account. > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Check us out online at: > http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick Molloy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 14:58:25 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account > > Chris, > It's really straightforward. Go to the Gmail page. There should > be a > link that says "Create account." (Or something to that effect.) > Once > you click that, it's just a matter of putting the right info into > the > right fields. > Patrick > > On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > How do I create a Gmail account? Thanks! > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the > Blind! > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > wwwddicanfoundationddinfo for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and > visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol > loy%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol > loy%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 20:27:42 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 16:27:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account Message-ID: <4e3da3ea.85cde00a.247c.1224@mx.google.com> Hi Ignasi and everyone, I tried to do it on my BrailleNote, but with the kapcha, I don't think it will work. I'll try it again on my laptop, running Windows 7 and JAWS 12. Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Ignasi Cambra wrote: Hi Patrick, Do you mean the Gmail home page? If so, I don't see a link to do this. I also don't see a link in the Inbox page for my Gmail to create a new account. Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Molloy wrote: Hi everyone, How do I create a Gmail account? Thanks! Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: wwwddicanfoundationddinfo for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol loy%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol loy%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicam bra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 20:36:12 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:36:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account In-Reply-To: <4e3da3ea.85cde00a.247c.1224@mx.google.com> References: <4e3da3ea.85cde00a.247c.1224@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2259327A-F6BE-46AD-A3B5-2848DA9424B8@gmail.com> If you were opening the gmail site from the Braillenote it's possible that you weren't getting the regular site. You were probably on the mobile site, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's impossible to create accounts from that interface. IC On Aug 6, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Ignasi and everyone, > > I tried to do it on my BrailleNote, but with the kapcha, I don't think it will work. I'll try it again on my laptop, running Windows 7 and JAWS 12. > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ignasi Cambra To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:06:52 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account > > After a link called "Can't access your account?" there's a line that says "New to Gmail? It's free and easy." and right after that you will find the "Create an account" link. What OS and screen reader are you using? This page should really work well with anything... > On Aug 6, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > > Hi Patrick, > > No, I don't see it. This is the whole page that I see when I first go to gmail.com: was Get faster Gmail > > Username: > > ex: pat at example.com > Password: > Remember me > > > > > (cgg2011 Google -- Help -- Terms of Service > > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick Molloy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:32:44 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account > > Chris, > The link I'm talking about is right at the bottom of the page where > you would put in your username and password. > Patrick > > On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Patrick, > > Do you mean the Gmail home page? If so, I don't see a link to do > this. I also don't see a link in the Inbox page for my Gmail to > create a new account. > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Check us out online at: > http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick Molloy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 14:58:25 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account > > Chris, > It's really straightforward. Go to the Gmail page. There should > be a > link that says "Create account." (Or something to that effect.) > Once > you click that, it's just a matter of putting the right info into > the > right fields. > Patrick > > On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > How do I create a Gmail account? Thanks! > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the > Blind! > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > wwwddicanfoundationddinfo for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and > visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol > loy%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol > loy%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicam > bra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From joshkart12 at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 20:42:33 2011 From: joshkart12 at gmail.com (Josh Gregory) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:42:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account In-Reply-To: <4e3da3ea.85cde00a.247c.1224@mx.google.com> References: <4e3da3ea.85cde00a.247c.1224@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <22F9D584-F87D-4B01-BAE3-98D5C7990518@gmail.com> You might need sighted help, the audio captcha is hard to understand. Yahoo's is better lol. Sent from my iPod On Aug 6, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Ignasi and everyone, > > I tried to do it on my BrailleNote, but with the kapcha, I don't think it will work. I'll try it again on my laptop, running Windows 7 and JAWS 12. > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ignasi Cambra To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:06:52 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account > > After a link called "Can't access your account?" there's a line that says "New to Gmail? It's free and easy." and right after that you will find the "Create an account" link. What OS and screen reader are you using? This page should really work well with anything... > On Aug 6, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > > Hi Patrick, > > No, I don't see it. This is the whole page that I see when I first go to gmail.com: was Get faster Gmail > > Username: > > ex: pat at example.com > Password: > Remember me > > > > > (cgg2011 Google -- Help -- Terms of Service > > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick Molloy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:32:44 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account > > Chris, > The link I'm talking about is right at the bottom of the page where > you would put in your username and password. > Patrick > > On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Patrick, > > Do you mean the Gmail home page? If so, I don't see a link to do > this. I also don't see a link in the Inbox page for my Gmail to > create a new account. > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Check us out online at: > http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick Molloy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 14:58:25 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account > > Chris, > It's really straightforward. Go to the Gmail page. There should > be a > link that says "Create account." (Or something to that effect.) > Once > you click that, it's just a matter of putting the right info into > the > right fields. > Patrick > > On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > How do I create a Gmail account? Thanks! > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the > Blind! > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > wwwddicanfoundationddinfo for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and > visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol > loy%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol > loy%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicam > bra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From aubielynn at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 21:04:07 2011 From: aubielynn at gmail.com (Aubrie Lucas) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 13:04:07 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Youtube's giving me fits, again! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01cc547c$62ab1980$28014c80$@com> Just reinstall IE (you can do that by going to Microsoft's website, I think). -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 11:26 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Youtube's giving me fits, again! Hi, it's Joshua Lester. I downloaded the Adobe Flash player, yesterday. Now, when i go to Youtube, (both regular, and accessible interfaces,) and I type in a video. After I click on the video, Jaws stops talking, and the screen goes blank. I shut down the computer, and restart. After I go back to Firefox, the video starts playing, out of the blue. Why does it do that? Why won't it work, like it does with IE? The guy that put the new browsers on this computer, made the mistake of removing IE, which makes me mad! Please help! Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.co m From kaybaycar at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 21:07:07 2011 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:07:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account In-Reply-To: <22F9D584-F87D-4B01-BAE3-98D5C7990518@gmail.com> References: <4e3da3ea.85cde00a.247c.1224@mx.google.com> <22F9D584-F87D-4B01-BAE3-98D5C7990518@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Chris and everyone. I've never been able to get the audio captia to work. I've created more than one account through gmail, and once it logged me out of my account for no reason, and I had to do the captia. The audio doesn't play. I've never understood why. So, Chris, I hope you get the audio captia ok. Other than that, creating the account is a breeze. On 8/6/11, Josh Gregory wrote: > You might need sighted help, the audio captcha is hard to understand. > Yahoo's is better lol. > > Sent from my iPod > > On Aug 6, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > >> Hi Ignasi and everyone, >> >> I tried to do it on my BrailleNote, but with the kapcha, I don't think it >> will work. I'll try it again on my laptop, running Windows 7 and JAWS 12. >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ignasi Cambra > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:06:52 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account >> >> After a link called "Can't access your account?" there's a line that says >> "New to Gmail? It's free and easy." and right after that you will find the >> "Create an account" link. What OS and screen reader are you using? This >> page should really work well with anything... >> On Aug 6, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> >> Hi Patrick, >> >> No, I don't see it. This is the whole page that I see when I first go to >> gmail.com: was Get faster Gmail >> >> Username: >> >> ex: pat at example.com >> Password: >> Remember me >> >> >> >> >> (cgg2011 Google -- Help -- Terms of Service >> >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Patrick Molloy > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:32:44 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account >> >> Chris, >> The link I'm talking about is right at the bottom of the page where >> you would put in your username and password. >> Patrick >> >> On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Patrick, >> >> Do you mean the Gmail home page? If so, I don't see a link to do >> this. I also don't see a link in the Inbox page for my Gmail to >> create a new account. >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> Check us out online at: >> http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >> www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Patrick Molloy > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 14:58:25 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account >> >> Chris, >> It's really straightforward. Go to the Gmail page. There should >> be a >> link that says "Create account." (Or something to that effect.) >> Once >> you click that, it's just a matter of putting the right info into >> the >> right fields. >> Patrick >> >> On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> How do I create a Gmail account? Thanks! >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the >> Blind! >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >> wwwddicanfoundationddinfo for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and >> visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol >> loy%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol >> loy%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicam >> bra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie McG Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding Eyes for the Blind "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Aug 6 21:10:52 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:10:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Youtube's giving me fits, again! In-Reply-To: <000c01cc547c$62ab1980$28014c80$@com> References: <000c01cc547c$62ab1980$28014c80$@com> Message-ID: I'm afraid that my E-mail would mess up again, if I reinstall it. I wonder, if it will replace Firefox, if I do. I want the Firefox, for my E-mail, and IE for Youtube. Blessings, Joshua On 8/6/11, Aubrie Lucas wrote: > Just reinstall IE (you can do that by going to Microsoft's website, I > think). > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 11:26 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Youtube's giving me fits, again! > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I downloaded the Adobe Flash player, yesterday. > Now, when i go to Youtube, (both regular, and accessible interfaces,) > and I type in a video. > After I click on the video, Jaws stops talking, and the screen goes blank. > I shut down the computer, and restart. > After I go back to Firefox, the video starts playing, out of the blue. > Why does it do that? > Why won't it work, like it does with IE? > The guy that put the new browsers on this computer, made the mistake > of removing IE, which makes me mad! > Please help! > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Aug 6 21:13:27 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:13:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account In-Reply-To: References: <4e3da3ea.85cde00a.247c.1224@mx.google.com> <22F9D584-F87D-4B01-BAE3-98D5C7990518@gmail.com> Message-ID: Julie, Yahoo's audio captcha is hard to understand. So, GMail's won't play, and Yahoo is hard to understand. My question is, which one doesn't have a captcha? Does Comcast have one? Thanks, Joshua On 8/6/11, Julie McGinnity wrote: > Hi Chris and everyone. > > I've never been able to get the audio captia to work. I've created > more than one account through gmail, and once it logged me out of my > account for no reason, and I had to do the captia. The audio doesn't > play. I've never understood why. So, Chris, I hope you get the audio > captia ok. Other than that, creating the account is a breeze. > > On 8/6/11, Josh Gregory wrote: >> You might need sighted help, the audio captcha is hard to understand. >> Yahoo's is better lol. >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >> On Aug 6, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Ignasi and everyone, >>> >>> I tried to do it on my BrailleNote, but with the kapcha, I don't think it >>> will work. I'll try it again on my laptop, running Windows 7 and JAWS >>> 12. >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Ignasi Cambra >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:06:52 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account >>> >>> After a link called "Can't access your account?" there's a line that says >>> "New to Gmail? It's free and easy." and right after that you will find >>> the >>> "Create an account" link. What OS and screen reader are you using? This >>> page should really work well with anything... >>> On Aug 6, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> >>> Hi Patrick, >>> >>> No, I don't see it. This is the whole page that I see when I first go to >>> gmail.com: was Get faster Gmail >>> >>> Username: >>> >>> ex: pat at example.com >>> Password: >>> Remember me >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> (cgg2011 Google -- Help -- Terms of Service >>> >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Patrick Molloy >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:32:44 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account >>> >>> Chris, >>> The link I'm talking about is right at the bottom of the page where >>> you would put in your username and password. >>> Patrick >>> >>> On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> Hi Patrick, >>> >>> Do you mean the Gmail home page? If so, I don't see a link to do >>> this. I also don't see a link in the Inbox page for my Gmail to >>> create a new account. >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> Check us out online at: >>> http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Patrick Molloy >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 14:58:25 -0400 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account >>> >>> Chris, >>> It's really straightforward. Go to the Gmail page. There should >>> be a >>> link that says "Create account." (Or something to that effect.) >>> Once >>> you click that, it's just a matter of putting the right info into >>> the >>> right fields. >>> Patrick >>> >>> On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> How do I create a Gmail account? Thanks! >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the >>> Blind! >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>> wwwddicanfoundationddinfo for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and >>> visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol >>> loy%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol >>> loy%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicam >>> bra%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Julie McG > Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera > Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding > Eyes for the Blind > > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 22:29:44 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 18:29:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account In-Reply-To: References: <4e3da3ea.85cde00a.247c.1224@mx.google.com> <22F9D584-F87D-4B01-BAE3-98D5C7990518@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi everyone, They probably all do, so they know that nobody's spamming them by creating an email account. Isn't the NFB working to make kapchas accessible? I've talked to a paralegal for Dan Goldstein, the NFB's lawyer in the Google case, and she said that kapchas are one of their main issues. Maybe that's what they're talking about with "Gmail not being accessible." Chris On 8/6/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Julie, Yahoo's audio captcha is hard to understand. > So, GMail's won't play, and Yahoo is hard to understand. > My question is, which one doesn't have a captcha? > Does Comcast have one? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 8/6/11, Julie McGinnity wrote: >> Hi Chris and everyone. >> >> I've never been able to get the audio captia to work. I've created >> more than one account through gmail, and once it logged me out of my >> account for no reason, and I had to do the captia. The audio doesn't >> play. I've never understood why. So, Chris, I hope you get the audio >> captia ok. Other than that, creating the account is a breeze. >> >> On 8/6/11, Josh Gregory wrote: >>> You might need sighted help, the audio captcha is hard to understand. >>> Yahoo's is better lol. >>> >>> Sent from my iPod >>> >>> On Aug 6, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Chris Nusbaum >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Ignasi and everyone, >>>> >>>> I tried to do it on my BrailleNote, but with the kapcha, I don't think >>>> it >>>> will work. I'll try it again on my laptop, running Windows 7 and JAWS >>>> 12. >>>> >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>>> Check us out online at: >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >>>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Ignasi Cambra >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:06:52 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account >>>> >>>> After a link called "Can't access your account?" there's a line that >>>> says >>>> "New to Gmail? It's free and easy." and right after that you will find >>>> the >>>> "Create an account" link. What OS and screen reader are you using? This >>>> page should really work well with anything... >>>> On Aug 6, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Patrick, >>>> >>>> No, I don't see it. This is the whole page that I see when I first go >>>> to >>>> gmail.com: was Get faster Gmail >>>> >>>> Username: >>>> >>>> ex: pat at example.com >>>> Password: >>>> Remember me >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> (cgg2011 Google -- Help -- Terms of Service >>>> >>>> >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>>> Check us out online at: >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >>>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Patrick Molloy >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:32:44 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account >>>> >>>> Chris, >>>> The link I'm talking about is right at the bottom of the page where >>>> you would put in your username and password. >>>> Patrick >>>> >>>> On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>> Hi Patrick, >>>> >>>> Do you mean the Gmail home page? If so, I don't see a link to do >>>> this. I also don't see a link in the Inbox page for my Gmail to >>>> create a new account. >>>> >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>>> Check us out online at: >>>> http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >>>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Patrick Molloy >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 14:58:25 -0400 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account >>>> >>>> Chris, >>>> It's really straightforward. Go to the Gmail page. There should >>>> be a >>>> link that says "Create account." (Or something to that effect.) >>>> Once >>>> you click that, it's just a matter of putting the right info into >>>> the >>>> right fields. >>>> Patrick >>>> >>>> On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> How do I create a Gmail account? Thanks! >>>> >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the >>>> Blind! >>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>> wwwddicanfoundationddinfo for >>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and >>>> visually >>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol >>>> loy%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >>>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol >>>> loy%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >>>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicam >>>> bra%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >>>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Julie McG >> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera >> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding >> Eyes for the Blind >> >> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >> life." >> John 3:16 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Aug 6 23:08:33 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 18:08:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account In-Reply-To: References: <4e3da3ea.85cde00a.247c.1224@mx.google.com> <22F9D584-F87D-4B01-BAE3-98D5C7990518@gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, by golly, they better make Google Chrome accessible with Jaws, as well! Blessings, Joshua On 8/6/11, chris nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > They probably all do, so they know that nobody's spamming them by > creating an email account. Isn't the NFB working to make kapchas > accessible? I've talked to a paralegal for Dan Goldstein, the NFB's > lawyer in the Google case, and she said that kapchas are one of their > main issues. Maybe that's what they're talking about with "Gmail not > being accessible." > > Chris > > On 8/6/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Julie, Yahoo's audio captcha is hard to understand. >> So, GMail's won't play, and Yahoo is hard to understand. >> My question is, which one doesn't have a captcha? >> Does Comcast have one? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 8/6/11, Julie McGinnity wrote: >>> Hi Chris and everyone. >>> >>> I've never been able to get the audio captia to work. I've created >>> more than one account through gmail, and once it logged me out of my >>> account for no reason, and I had to do the captia. The audio doesn't >>> play. I've never understood why. So, Chris, I hope you get the audio >>> captia ok. Other than that, creating the account is a breeze. >>> >>> On 8/6/11, Josh Gregory wrote: >>>> You might need sighted help, the audio captcha is hard to understand. >>>> Yahoo's is better lol. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPod >>>> >>>> On Aug 6, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Chris Nusbaum >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Ignasi and everyone, >>>>> >>>>> I tried to do it on my BrailleNote, but with the kapcha, I don't think >>>>> it >>>>> will work. I'll try it again on my laptop, running Windows 7 and JAWS >>>>> 12. >>>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>>>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>>>> Check us out online at: >>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >>>>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Ignasi Cambra >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:06:52 -0400 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account >>>>> >>>>> After a link called "Can't access your account?" there's a line that >>>>> says >>>>> "New to Gmail? It's free and easy." and right after that you will find >>>>> the >>>>> "Create an account" link. What OS and screen reader are you using? >>>>> This >>>>> page should really work well with anything... >>>>> On Aug 6, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Patrick, >>>>> >>>>> No, I don't see it. This is the whole page that I see when I first go >>>>> to >>>>> gmail.com: was Get faster Gmail >>>>> >>>>> Username: >>>>> >>>>> ex: pat at example.com >>>>> Password: >>>>> Remember me >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (cgg2011 Google -- Help -- Terms of Service >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>>>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>>>> Check us out online at: >>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >>>>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Patrick Molloy >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:32:44 -0400 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account >>>>> >>>>> Chris, >>>>> The link I'm talking about is right at the bottom of the page where >>>>> you would put in your username and password. >>>>> Patrick >>>>> >>>>> On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>>> Hi Patrick, >>>>> >>>>> Do you mean the Gmail home page? If so, I don't see a link to do >>>>> this. I also don't see a link in the Inbox page for my Gmail to >>>>> create a new account. >>>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>>>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>>>> Check us out online at: >>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >>>>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Patrick Molloy >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 14:58:25 -0400 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account >>>>> >>>>> Chris, >>>>> It's really straightforward. Go to the Gmail page. There should >>>>> be a >>>>> link that says "Create account." (Or something to that effect.) >>>>> Once >>>>> you click that, it's just a matter of putting the right info into >>>>> the >>>>> right fields. >>>>> Patrick >>>>> >>>>> On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> >>>>> How do I create a Gmail account? Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>>>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>>>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the >>>>> Blind! >>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. 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Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Sun Aug 7 00:26:46 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 19:26:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Youtube's giving me fits, again! References: <000c01cc547c$62ab1980$28014c80$@com> Message-ID: <000501cc5498$b1351530$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello everyone, Better yet can uTube and build your own Web site if you have videos to display. Due to issues of this kind we don't screw with outfits like uTube. At least if you have your own Web site no one can muck with your interface messing up its accessibility. We've gone so far as to install our own media streaming server on our VPS due to accessibility issues of this kind. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aubrie Lucas" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Youtube's giving me fits, again! Just reinstall IE (you can do that by going to Microsoft's website, I think). -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 11:26 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Youtube's giving me fits, again! Hi, it's Joshua Lester. I downloaded the Adobe Flash player, yesterday. Now, when i go to Youtube, (both regular, and accessible interfaces,) and I type in a video. After I click on the video, Jaws stops talking, and the screen goes blank. I shut down the computer, and restart. After I go back to Firefox, the video starts playing, out of the blue. Why does it do that? Why won't it work, like it does with IE? The guy that put the new browsers on this computer, made the mistake of removing IE, which makes me mad! Please help! Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Aug 7 00:48:18 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 19:48:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Youtube's giving me fits, again! In-Reply-To: <000501cc5498$b1351530$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <000c01cc547c$62ab1980$28014c80$@com> <000501cc5498$b1351530$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: I don't know how to build a Website. Blessings, Joshua On 8/6/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Better yet can uTube and build your own Web site if you have videos to > display. Due to issues of this kind we don't screw with outfits like uTube. > At least if you have your own Web site no one can muck with your interface > messing up its accessibility. We've gone so far as to install our own media > streaming server on our VPS due to accessibility issues of this kind. > > Peter Donahue > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aubrie Lucas" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 4:04 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Youtube's giving me fits, again! > > > Just reinstall IE (you can do that by going to Microsoft's website, I > think). > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 11:26 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Youtube's giving me fits, again! > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I downloaded the Adobe Flash player, yesterday. > Now, when i go to Youtube, (both regular, and accessible interfaces,) > and I type in a video. > After I click on the video, Jaws stops talking, and the screen goes blank. > I shut down the computer, and restart. > After I go back to Firefox, the video starts playing, out of the blue. > Why does it do that? > Why won't it work, like it does with IE? > The guy that put the new browsers on this computer, made the mistake > of removing IE, which makes me mad! > Please help! > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From aubielynn at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 01:13:23 2011 From: aubielynn at gmail.com (Aubrie Lucas) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 17:13:23 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Youtube's giving me fits, again! In-Reply-To: References: <000c01cc547c$62ab1980$28014c80$@com> Message-ID: <000001cc549f$35bf6250$a13e26f0$@com> You can keep Firefox as the default browser. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 1:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Youtube's giving me fits, again! I'm afraid that my E-mail would mess up again, if I reinstall it. I wonder, if it will replace Firefox, if I do. I want the Firefox, for my E-mail, and IE for Youtube. Blessings, Joshua On 8/6/11, Aubrie Lucas wrote: > Just reinstall IE (you can do that by going to Microsoft's website, I > think). > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 11:26 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Youtube's giving me fits, again! > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I downloaded the Adobe Flash player, yesterday. > Now, when i go to Youtube, (both regular, and accessible interfaces,) > and I type in a video. > After I click on the video, Jaws stops talking, and the screen goes blank. > I shut down the computer, and restart. > After I go back to Firefox, the video starts playing, out of the blue. > Why does it do that? > Why won't it work, like it does with IE? > The guy that put the new browsers on this computer, made the mistake > of removing IE, which makes me mad! > Please help! > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40studen ts.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.co m From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 7 01:26:51 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 21:26:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account In-Reply-To: References: <4e3da3ea.85cde00a.247c.1224@mx.google.com><22F9D584-F87D-4B01-BAE3-98D5C7990518@gmail.com> Message-ID: You better tell the software developers then. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 7:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account Well, by golly, they better make Google Chrome accessible with Jaws, as well! Blessings, Joshua On 8/6/11, chris nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > They probably all do, so they know that nobody's spamming them by > creating an email account. Isn't the NFB working to make kapchas > accessible? I've talked to a paralegal for Dan Goldstein, the NFB's > lawyer in the Google case, and she said that kapchas are one of their > main issues. Maybe that's what they're talking about with "Gmail not > being accessible." > > Chris > > On 8/6/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Julie, Yahoo's audio captcha is hard to understand. >> So, GMail's won't play, and Yahoo is hard to understand. >> My question is, which one doesn't have a captcha? >> Does Comcast have one? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 8/6/11, Julie McGinnity wrote: >>> Hi Chris and everyone. >>> >>> I've never been able to get the audio captia to work. I've created >>> more than one account through gmail, and once it logged me out of my >>> account for no reason, and I had to do the captia. The audio doesn't >>> play. I've never understood why. So, Chris, I hope you get the audio >>> captia ok. Other than that, creating the account is a breeze. >>> >>> On 8/6/11, Josh Gregory wrote: >>>> You might need sighted help, the audio captcha is hard to understand. >>>> Yahoo's is better lol. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPod >>>> >>>> On Aug 6, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Chris Nusbaum >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Ignasi and everyone, >>>>> >>>>> I tried to do it on my BrailleNote, but with the kapcha, I don't think >>>>> it >>>>> will work. I'll try it again on my laptop, running Windows 7 and JAWS >>>>> 12. >>>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>>>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>>>> Check us out online at: >>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >>>>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Ignasi Cambra >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:06:52 -0400 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account >>>>> >>>>> After a link called "Can't access your account?" there's a line that >>>>> says >>>>> "New to Gmail? It's free and easy." and right after that you will find >>>>> the >>>>> "Create an account" link. What OS and screen reader are you using? >>>>> This >>>>> page should really work well with anything... >>>>> On Aug 6, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Patrick, >>>>> >>>>> No, I don't see it. This is the whole page that I see when I first go >>>>> to >>>>> gmail.com: was Get faster Gmail >>>>> >>>>> Username: >>>>> >>>>> ex: pat at example.com >>>>> Password: >>>>> Remember me >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (cgg2011 Google -- Help -- Terms of Service >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>>>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>>>> Check us out online at: >>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >>>>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Patrick Molloy >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:32:44 -0400 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account >>>>> >>>>> Chris, >>>>> The link I'm talking about is right at the bottom of the page where >>>>> you would put in your username and password. >>>>> Patrick >>>>> >>>>> On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>>> Hi Patrick, >>>>> >>>>> Do you mean the Gmail home page? If so, I don't see a link to do >>>>> this. I also don't see a link in the Inbox page for my Gmail to >>>>> create a new account. >>>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>>>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>>>> Check us out online at: >>>>> http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >>>>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Patrick Molloy >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 14:58:25 -0400 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account >>>>> >>>>> Chris, >>>>> It's really straightforward. Go to the Gmail page. There should >>>>> be a >>>>> link that says "Create account." (Or something to that effect.) >>>>> Once >>>>> you click that, it's just a matter of putting the right info into >>>>> the >>>>> right fields. >>>>> Patrick >>>>> >>>>> On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> >>>>> How do I create a Gmail account? Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>>>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>>>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the >>>>> Blind! >>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>>> wwwddicanfoundationddinfo for >>>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and >>>>> visually >>>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol >>>>> loy%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >>>>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol >>>>> loy%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >>>>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicam >>>>> bra%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >>>>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Julie McG >>> Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in Opera >>> Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of Guiding >>> Eyes for the Blind >>> >>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that >>> everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal >>> life." >>> John 3:16 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 7 01:30:08 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 21:30:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account In-Reply-To: <22F9D584-F87D-4B01-BAE3-98D5C7990518@gmail.com> References: <4e3da3ea.85cde00a.247c.1224@mx.google.com> <22F9D584-F87D-4B01-BAE3-98D5C7990518@gmail.com> Message-ID: <787AE765531F42D5BBDB7E63A1C4F0E2@OwnerPC> Yes you may need sighted help. With the audio captuas, I find them hard to understand as well or they do not even play. Annoying barrier. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Josh Gregory Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 4:42 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account You might need sighted help, the audio captcha is hard to understand. Yahoo's is better lol. Sent from my iPod On Aug 6, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Ignasi and everyone, > > I tried to do it on my BrailleNote, but with the kapcha, I don't think it > will work. I'll try it again on my laptop, running Windows 7 and JAWS 12. > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ignasi Cambra To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:06:52 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account > > After a link called "Can't access your account?" there's a line that says > "New to Gmail? It's free and easy." and right after that you will find the > "Create an account" link. What OS and screen reader are you using? This > page should really work well with anything... > On Aug 6, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > > Hi Patrick, > > No, I don't see it. This is the whole page that I see when I first go to > gmail.com: was Get faster Gmail > > Username: > > ex: pat at example.com > Password: > Remember me > > > > > (cgg2011 Google -- Help -- Terms of Service > > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick Molloy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:32:44 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account > > Chris, > The link I'm talking about is right at the bottom of the page where > you would put in your username and password. > Patrick > > On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Patrick, > > Do you mean the Gmail home page? If so, I don't see a link to do > this. I also don't see a link in the Inbox page for my Gmail to > create a new account. > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Check us out online at: > http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick Molloy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 14:58:25 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account > > Chris, > It's really straightforward. Go to the Gmail page. There should > be a > link that says "Create account." (Or something to that effect.) > Once > you click that, it's just a matter of putting the right info into > the > right fields. > Patrick > > On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > How do I create a Gmail account? Thanks! > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the > Blind! > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > wwwddicanfoundationddinfo for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and > visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol > loy%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol > loy%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicam > bra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Aug 7 02:02:49 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 21:02:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Youtube's giving me fits, again! In-Reply-To: <000001cc549f$35bf6250$a13e26f0$@com> References: <000c01cc547c$62ab1980$28014c80$@com> <000001cc549f$35bf6250$a13e26f0$@com> Message-ID: Okay. Thanks. Blessings, Joshua On 8/6/11, Aubrie Lucas wrote: > You can keep Firefox as the default browser. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 1:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Youtube's giving me fits, again! > > I'm afraid that my E-mail would mess up again, if I reinstall it. > I wonder, if it will replace Firefox, if I do. > I want the Firefox, for my E-mail, and IE for Youtube. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/6/11, Aubrie Lucas wrote: >> Just reinstall IE (you can do that by going to Microsoft's website, I >> think). >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 11:26 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Youtube's giving me fits, again! >> >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> I downloaded the Adobe Flash player, yesterday. >> Now, when i go to Youtube, (both regular, and accessible interfaces,) >> and I type in a video. >> After I click on the video, Jaws stops talking, and the screen goes blank. >> I shut down the computer, and restart. >> After I go back to Firefox, the video starts playing, out of the blue. >> Why does it do that? >> Why won't it work, like it does with IE? >> The guy that put the new browsers on this computer, made the mistake >> of removing IE, which makes me mad! >> Please help! >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40studen > ts.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 02:13:41 2011 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 22:13:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account In-Reply-To: <787AE765531F42D5BBDB7E63A1C4F0E2@OwnerPC> References: <4e3da3ea.85cde00a.247c.1224@mx.google.com> <22F9D584-F87D-4B01-BAE3-98D5C7990518@gmail.com> <787AE765531F42D5BBDB7E63A1C4F0E2@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Chris, I think I've found the source of your problem. Accessing the Gmail page via BrailleNote was, most likely, giving you only a portion of the page. (As someone said before, probably the mobile version.) But if you access the Gmail page via laptop/screen reader, the link is right there. The audio captcha's have always given me trouble too, but I can usually decipher what they're saying. Does anyone know what's being done to make them more accessible? Patrick On 8/6/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Yes you may need sighted help. With the audio captuas, I find them hard to > understand as well or they do not even play. Annoying barrier. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Josh Gregory > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 4:42 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account > > You might need sighted help, the audio captcha is hard to understand. > Yahoo's is better lol. > > Sent from my iPod > > On Aug 6, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > >> Hi Ignasi and everyone, >> >> I tried to do it on my BrailleNote, but with the kapcha, I don't think it >> will work. I'll try it again on my laptop, running Windows 7 and JAWS 12. >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ignasi Cambra > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:06:52 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account >> >> After a link called "Can't access your account?" there's a line that says >> "New to Gmail? It's free and easy." and right after that you will find the >> >> "Create an account" link. What OS and screen reader are you using? This >> page should really work well with anything... >> On Aug 6, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> >> Hi Patrick, >> >> No, I don't see it. This is the whole page that I see when I first go to >> gmail.com: was Get faster Gmail >> >> Username: >> >> ex: pat at example.com >> Password: >> Remember me >> >> >> >> >> (cgg2011 Google -- Help -- Terms of Service >> >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Patrick Molloy > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:32:44 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account >> >> Chris, >> The link I'm talking about is right at the bottom of the page where >> you would put in your username and password. >> Patrick >> >> On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Patrick, >> >> Do you mean the Gmail home page? If so, I don't see a link to do >> this. I also don't see a link in the Inbox page for my Gmail to >> create a new account. >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> Check us out online at: >> http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >> www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Patrick Molloy > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 14:58:25 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account >> >> Chris, >> It's really straightforward. Go to the Gmail page. There should >> be a >> link that says "Create account." (Or something to that effect.) >> Once >> you click that, it's just a matter of putting the right info into >> the >> right fields. >> Patrick >> >> On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> How do I create a Gmail account? Thanks! >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the >> Blind! >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >> wwwddicanfoundationddinfo for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and >> visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol >> loy%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol >> loy%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicam >> bra%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 17:26:24 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 13:26:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account Message-ID: <4e3ecaed.a563340a.0b33.0727@mx.google.com> Hi Joshua, As I said before, I've been talking to a paralegal for Dan Goldstein named Anna Reid, who is currently working on NFB's lawsuit against Google for the inaccessibility of some of its products. She didn't mention Google Chrome to me, but she's always looking for firsthand accounts from students (especially) about their inaccessibility encounters with Google products. You can email her at areid at browngold.com. Hope this helps! Chris Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: wrote: Hi everyone, They probably all do, so they know that nobody's spamming them by creating an email account. Isn't the NFB working to make kapchas accessible? I've talked to a paralegal for Dan Goldstein, the NFB's lawyer in the Google case, and she said that kapchas are one of their main issues. Maybe that's what they're talking about with "Gmail not being accessible." Chris On 8/6/11, Joshua Lester wrote: Julie, Yahoo's audio captcha is hard to understand. So, GMail's won't play, and Yahoo is hard to understand. My question is, which one doesn't have a captcha? Does Comcast have one? Thanks, Joshua On 8/6/11, Julie McGinnity wrote: Hi Chris and everyone. I've never been able to get the audio captia to work. I've created more than one account through gmail, and once it logged me out of my account for no reason, and I had to do the captia. The audio doesn't play. I've never understood why. So, Chris, I hope you get the audio captia ok. Other than that, creating the account is a breeze. On 8/6/11, Josh Gregory wrote: You might need sighted help, the audio captcha is hard to understand. Yahoo's is better lol. Sent from my iPod On Aug 6, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Hi Patrick, Do you mean the Gmail home page? If so, I don't see a link to do this. I also don't see a link in the Inbox page for my Gmail to create a new account. Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Molloy wrote: Hi everyone, How do I create a Gmail account? Thanks! Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. 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John 3:16 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 62%40students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 62%40students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma hb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Aug 7 18:23:15 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:23:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account In-Reply-To: <4e3ecaed.a563340a.0b33.0727@mx.google.com> References: <4e3ecaed.a563340a.0b33.0727@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Chris. I'll E-mail her. Blessings, Joshua On 8/7/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > As I said before, I've been talking to a paralegal for Dan > Goldstein named Anna Reid, who is currently working on NFB's > lawsuit against Google for the inaccessibility of some of its > products. She didn't mention Google Chrome to me, but she's > always looking for firsthand accounts from students (especially) > about their inaccessibility encounters with Google products. You > can email her at areid at browngold.com. Hope this helps! > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Check us out online at: > http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 21:26:51 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account > > You better tell the software developers then. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 7:08 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account > > Well, by golly, they better make Google Chrome accessible with > Jaws, as > well! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/6/11, chris nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > They probably all do, so they know that nobody's spamming them > by > creating an email account. Isn't the NFB working to make > kapchas > accessible? I've talked to a paralegal for Dan Goldstein, the > NFB's > lawyer in the Google case, and she said that kapchas are one of > their > main issues. Maybe that's what they're talking about with > "Gmail not > being accessible." > > Chris > > On 8/6/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Julie, Yahoo's audio captcha is hard to understand. > So, GMail's won't play, and Yahoo is hard to understand. > My question is, which one doesn't have a captcha? > Does Comcast have one? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 8/6/11, Julie McGinnity wrote: > Hi Chris and everyone. > > I've never been able to get the audio captia to work. I've > created > more than one account through gmail, and once it logged me out > of my > account for no reason, and I had to do the captia. The audio > doesn't > play. I've never understood why. So, Chris, I hope you get the > audio > captia ok. Other than that, creating the account is a breeze. > > On 8/6/11, Josh Gregory wrote: > You might need sighted help, the audio captcha is hard to > understand. > Yahoo's is better lol. > > Sent from my iPod > > On Aug 6, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: > > Hi Ignasi and everyone, > > I tried to do it on my BrailleNote, but with the kapcha, I don't > think > it > will work. I'll try it again on my laptop, running Windows 7 > and JAWS > 12. > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Check us out online at: > http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and > visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ignasi Cambra To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:06:52 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account > > After a link called "Can't access your account?" there's a line > that > says > "New to Gmail? It's free and easy." and right after that you > will find > the > "Create an account" link. What OS and screen reader are you > using? > This > page should really work well with anything... > On Aug 6, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > > Hi Patrick, > > No, I don't see it. This is the whole page that I see when I > first go > to > gmail.com: was Get faster Gmail > > Username: > > ex: pat at example.com > Password: > Remember me > > > > > (cgg2011 Google -- Help -- Terms of Service > > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Check us out online at: > http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and > visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick Molloy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:32:44 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account > > Chris, > The link I'm talking about is right at the bottom of the page > where > you would put in your username and password. > Patrick > > On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Patrick, > > Do you mean the Gmail home page? If so, I don't see a link to do > this. I also don't see a link in the Inbox page for my Gmail to > create a new account. > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Check us out online at: > http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and > visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick Molloy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 14:58:25 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account > > Chris, > It's really straightforward. Go to the Gmail page. There > should > be a > link that says "Create account." (Or something to that effect.) > Once > you click that, it's just a matter of putting the right info > into > the > right fields. > Patrick > > On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > How do I create a Gmail account? Thanks! > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the > Blind! > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > wwwddicanfoundationddinfo for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and > visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol > loy%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.mol > loy%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicam > bra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart1 > 2%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar > %40gmail.com > > > > -- > Julie McG > Lindbergh High School class of 2009, participating member in > Opera > Theater's Artist in Training Program, and proud graduate of > Guiding > Eyes for the Blind > > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and > visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester84 > 62%40students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma > hb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Aug 7 18:28:00 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:28:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account In-Reply-To: References: <4e3ecaed.a563340a.0b33.0727@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I just E-mailed her, about Google Chrome. Thanks again, Chris for the help. Blessings, Joshua On 8/7/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Thanks, Chris. > I'll E-mail her. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/7/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Joshua, >> >> As I said before, I've been talking to a paralegal for Dan >> Goldstein named Anna Reid, who is currently working on NFB's >> lawsuit against Google for the inaccessibility of some of its >> products. She didn't mention Google Chrome to me, but she's >> always looking for firsthand accounts from students (especially) >> about their inaccessibility encounters with Google products. You >> can email her at areid at browngold.com. Hope this helps! >> >> Chris >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> Check us out online at: >> http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >> www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 21:26:51 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account >> >> You better tell the software developers then. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 7:08 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account >> >> Well, by golly, they better make Google Chrome accessible with >> Jaws, as >> well! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 8/6/11, chris nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> They probably all do, so they know that nobody's spamming them >> by >> creating an email account. Isn't the NFB working to make >> kapchas >> accessible? I've talked to a paralegal for Dan Goldstein, the >> NFB's >> lawyer in the Google case, and she said that kapchas are one of >> their >> main issues. Maybe that's what they're talking about with >> "Gmail not >> being accessible." >> >> Chris >> >> On 8/6/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Julie, Yahoo's audio captcha is hard to understand. >> So, GMail's won't play, and Yahoo is hard to understand. >> My question is, which one doesn't have a captcha? >> Does Comcast have one? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 8/6/11, Julie McGinnity wrote: >> Hi Chris and everyone. >> >> I've never been able to get the audio captia to work. I've >> created >> more than one account through gmail, and once it logged me out >> of my >> account for no reason, and I had to do the captia. The audio >> doesn't >> play. I've never understood why. So, Chris, I hope you get the >> audio >> captia ok. Other than that, creating the account is a breeze. >> >> On 8/6/11, Josh Gregory wrote: >> You might need sighted help, the audio captcha is hard to >> understand. >> Yahoo's is better lol. >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >> On Aug 6, 2011, at 4:27 PM, Chris Nusbaum >> > wrote: >> >> Hi Ignasi and everyone, >> >> I tried to do it on my BrailleNote, but with the kapcha, I don't >> think >> it >> will work. I'll try it again on my laptop, running Windows 7 >> and JAWS >> 12. >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> Check us out online at: >> http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >> www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and >> visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ignasi Cambra > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:06:52 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account >> >> After a link called "Can't access your account?" there's a line >> that >> says >> "New to Gmail? It's free and easy." and right after that you >> will find >> the >> "Create an account" link. What OS and screen reader are you >> using? >> This >> page should really work well with anything... >> On Aug 6, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> >> Hi Patrick, >> >> No, I don't see it. This is the whole page that I see when I >> first go >> to >> gmail.com: was Get faster Gmail >> >> Username: >> >> ex: pat at example.com >> Password: >> Remember me >> >> >> >> >> (cgg2011 Google -- Help -- Terms of Service >> >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> Check us out online at: >> http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >> www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and >> visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Patrick Molloy > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:32:44 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account >> >> Chris, >> The link I'm talking about is right at the bottom of the page >> where >> you would put in your username and password. >> Patrick >> >> On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Patrick, >> >> Do you mean the Gmail home page? If so, I don't see a link to do >> this. I also don't see a link in the Inbox page for my Gmail to >> create a new account. >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> Check us out online at: >> http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >> www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and >> visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Patrick Molloy > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 14:58:25 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creating a new Gmail account >> >> Chris, >> It's really straightforward. Go to the Gmail page. There >> should >> be a >> link that says "Create account." (Or something to that effect.) >> Once >> you click that, it's just a matter of putting the right info >> into >> the >> right fields. >> Patrick >> >> On 8/6/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> How do I create a Gmail account? Thanks! >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the >> Blind! >> Visit the I C.A.N. 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The loss of my independence is really starting to get the best of me, and I am just simply trying to think of some ideas on how I might be able to start living more of a normal life again. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Elizabeth From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Sun Aug 7 19:58:18 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 14:58:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bad News for blind and visually impaired people In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a perfect example of how we are not all equal in America. This is a time honored tradition in a country that prides itself on being the land of the free. The Civil Rights era is still going strong, and those with disabilities have now entered the race. A judge just said, "You have no right to access these forms of information even though those with sight can." Where are our rights? This thinking, this kind of ruling makes a statement that those with sight are superior to those without sight. All people are in deed not created equal in this country. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 12:39:58 -0700 From: "T. Joseph Carter" To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbmd] Fwd: [Nfbf-l] Bad news for blind and visually impairedpeople Message-ID: <20110806193955.GM3077 at yumi.bluecherry.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed This was posted when the decision came out and discussed at considerable length. This is the problem when you start forwarding people?s forwards of forwarded forwards?the NFB was the plaintiff in the case, so of course we know the outcome already. The judge ruled California state law does not supersede the federal Air Carrier Access Act which claims any and all jurisdiction for accessibility in and around airports. We?re not done with this. Joseph - kf7qzc From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 20:26:23 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 16:26:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Using a White Cane with a Walker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How much do you rely on the walker at the moment? You could try to use one of those walkers that has wheels on it and hold with one hand in the middle while using your other hand to use your cane. I knew a lady once who was able to use an electric wheel chair with a very long cane. Maybe you could think about this as an option. On 8/7/11, Elizabeth wrote: > Hello All, > > > > I am wondering if anyone has any ideas on how it would be possible to use a > walker with a white cane. The loss of my independence is really starting to > get the best of me, and I am just simply trying to think of some ideas on > how I might be able to start living more of a normal life again. Any ideas > would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Elizabeth > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Sun Aug 7 21:02:49 2011 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (SA Mobile) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 16:02:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Using a White Cane with a Walker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can put the cane out in front of the walker, scan the area in front of you, then take a step. You get faster with practice. Respectfully, Jedi Sent from my iPhone On 7/08/2011, at 2:31 PM, "Elizabeth" wrote: > Hello All, > > > > I am wondering if anyone has any ideas on how it would be possible to use a walker with a white cane. The loss of my independence is really starting to get the best of me, and I am just simply trying to think of some ideas on how I might be able to start living more of a normal life again. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Elizabeth > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sun Aug 7 22:11:43 2011 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 18:11:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Using a White Cane with a Walker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the responses so far, but how do I use my white cane when I have to keep both hands on the walker? Getting an electric wheelchair is out of the question as my situation is only temporary . Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "SA Mobile" Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 5:02 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a White Cane with a Walker > You can put the cane out in front of the walker, scan the area in front of > you, then take a step. You get faster with practice. > > Respectfully, > Jedi > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 7/08/2011, at 2:31 PM, "Elizabeth" wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> >> >> I am wondering if anyone has any ideas on how it would be possible to use >> a walker with a white cane. The loss of my independence is really >> starting to get the best of me, and I am just simply trying to think of >> some ideas on how I might be able to start living more of a normal life >> again. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Elizabeth >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Mon Aug 8 00:20:47 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 19:20:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] [nfb-talk] organizations development need list of names In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OK, this is your one and only warning. This is not an appropriate use of our system, and you have been warned previously. If you do it again, I will ban your new address. Surely both you and I have better things to do then to play these games! David Andrews, List Owner At 09:35 PM 8/5/2011, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser wrote: >New Organization for the totally Blind Development and new students >division for the totally blind Development: attention all totaly >Blind United States residents: > 100% very 100% immediate 100% very 100% urgent response required: >Hi my name is Alexander Kaiser. I would like to start an >organization of totally blind people in The United States. I would >like to name this organization the American Union of the totally >Blind (AUTB) incorporated. I would also like to start a students >organization for the totally Blind in the United States called the >American union of totally Blind Students Coalition Incorporated >(AUTBSCI. I am looking into starting these organizations as >immediately as I can receive signatures. I am looking for all >interested blind people in the united States including the >District of Columbia. Please contact me if interested in developing >these organizations. I accept braille letters phone calls and >iemails and skype calls. My address is >Attention: Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser >54 Elm Street >Florham Park, New Jersey 07932. >email: metalgod1030 at inbox.com. Phone: 1 9 7 3 5 2 5 8 0 9 6. I can >also be contacted on Klango, skype, yahoo messenger, windows live >messenger and aim. My klango id is alexkaiser1030. My skype ID is >Alexander.the.great1990. My yahoo IM ID is weatherwiz999 at yahoo.com. >My aim screen name is coloradorockiesfan at gmx.com. My windows >live messenger ID is coloradorockiesfan at gmx.com. My alternate email >address is weatherwiz999 at optonline.net. Please contact me as >immediately as possible to start these important organizations. >Sincerely, >Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser > >____________________________________________________________ >FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks & orcas >on your desktop! >Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/marineaquarium From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 01:58:57 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 21:58:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Bad News for blind and visually impaired people Message-ID: <4e3f4310.146cdc0a.7b6f.521d@mx.google.com> Sadly, no. I agree, Bridgit! Dr. tenBroek made a great point in his famous speech Within the Grace of God, when he said (paraphrasing) "Our founding fathers said in the Declaration of Independence that "all men are created equal." This does not exclude anyone with disability, including the blind." Chris Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Bridgit Pollpeter Hi Elizabeth, I'd suggest joining our Blind Rollers list, a support list for blind people who are also in wheelchairs or walkers. It would probably be a great resource for you as you start to rely on your walker. Here's the link to the list's info page: www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-rollers.nfbnet.org. Hope this helps! Chris Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Lea williams wrote: Hello All, I am wondering if anyone has any ideas on how it would be possible to use a walker with a white cane. The loss of my independence is really starting to get the best of me, and I am just simply trying to think of some ideas on how I might be able to start living more of a normal life again. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Elizabeth _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole 1988%40gmail.com -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Mon Aug 8 02:15:04 2011 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 22:15:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Using a White Cane with a Walker In-Reply-To: <4e3f4312.146cdc0a.7b6f.521e@mx.google.com> References: <4e3f4312.146cdc0a.7b6f.521e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello Chris, Thank you for your suggestion. I did not even think to check if there was an email list dedicated to such a topic. Hopefully I will not have to use the walker for vary long as my condition is only temporary. But in the meantime, perhaps I might be able to pick up a few tips on there while I have to use it. Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Nusbaum" Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 9:58 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a White Cane with a Walker > Hi Elizabeth, > > I'd suggest joining our Blind Rollers list, a support list for blind > people who are also in wheelchairs or walkers. It would probably be a > great resource for you as you start to rely on your walker. Here's the > link to the list's info page: > www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-rollers.nfbnet.org. Hope this > helps! > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lea williams To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 16:26:23 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a White Cane with a Walker > > How much do you rely on the walker at the moment? You could try to use > one of those walkers that has wheels on it and hold with one hand in > the middle while using your other hand to use your cane. I knew a lady > once who was able to use an electric wheel chair with a very long > cane. Maybe you could think about this as an option. > > On 8/7/11, Elizabeth wrote: > Hello All, > > > > I am wondering if anyone has any ideas on how it would be possible to use > a > walker with a white cane. The loss of my independence is really starting > to > get the best of me, and I am just simply trying to think of some ideas on > how I might be able to start living more of a normal life again. Any > ideas > would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Elizabeth > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole > 1988%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Aug 8 02:42:48 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 21:42:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bad News for blind and visually impaired people In-Reply-To: <4e3f4310.146cdc0a.7b6f.521d@mx.google.com> References: <4e3f4310.146cdc0a.7b6f.521d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: If the Department of Justice ruled, that the ADA applies to Websites, why then doesn't it apply to this stuff, we'e discussing? That's crazy! Blessings, Joshua On 8/7/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Sadly, no. I agree, Bridgit! Dr. tenBroek made a great point in > his famous speech Within the Grace of God, when he said > (paraphrasing) "Our founding fathers said in the Declaration of > Independence that "all men are created equal." This does not > exclude anyone with disability, including the blind." > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Check us out online at: > http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bridgit Pollpeter To: Date sent: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 14:58:18 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Bad News for blind and visually impaired people > > This is a perfect example of how we are not all equal in America. > This > is a time honored tradition in a country that prides itself on > being the > land of the free. The Civil Rights era is still going strong, > and those > with disabilities have now entered the race. A judge just said, > "You > have no right to access these forms of information even though > those > with sight can." Where are our rights? This thinking, this kind > of > ruling makes a statement that those with sight are superior to > those > without sight. All people are in deed not created equal in this > country. > > Sincerely, > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 12:39:58 -0700 > From: "T. Joseph Carter" To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbmd] Fwd: [Nfbf-l] Bad news for blind > and > visually impairedpeople > Message-ID: <20110806193955.GM3077 at yumi.bluecherry.net > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > This was posted when the decision came out and discussed at > considerable length. This is the problem when you start > forwarding > people?s forwards of forwarded forwards?the NFB was the plaintiff > in > the case, so of course we know the outcome already. > > The judge ruled California state law does not supersede the > federal > Air Carrier Access Act which claims any and all jurisdiction for > accessibility in and around airports. > > We?re not done with this. > > Joseph - kf7qzc > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 02:50:32 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 22:50:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Using a White Cane with a Walker In-Reply-To: References: <4e3f4312.146cdc0a.7b6f.521e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Elizabeth, I just wanted to add my two cents here. In 2009, I fell pretty badly on one of the Mark trains between Baltimore and Washington. I did damage to my hip, knee and ankle. I was in the hospital for a week, then in rehab for 2 1/2 more weeks and then 8 weeks of physical therapy. I am totally blind. I tried using a walker, but because I could not use my leg much at all for those 2 months, and more, I chose to use a wheelchair. I had a manual chair, that I took the arms off, and one of the leg rests. I used my cane successfully. I traveled on the public bus system, cabs, and paratransit in Baltimore. After trying and trying to figure out how to make the walker and a cane work, I decided that using a wheelchair was the best. Yes it was temporary, and I am able to walk normally now. But using a wheelchair might not be that bad. I actually found I was pretty fast and efficient in getting around. Thought I would share, hope it helps some. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 10:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a White Cane with a Walker Hello Chris, Thank you for your suggestion. I did not even think to check if there was an email list dedicated to such a topic. Hopefully I will not have to use the walker for vary long as my condition is only temporary. But in the meantime, perhaps I might be able to pick up a few tips on there while I have to use it. Thanks, Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Nusbaum" Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 9:58 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a White Cane with a Walker > Hi Elizabeth, > > I'd suggest joining our Blind Rollers list, a support list for blind > people who are also in wheelchairs or walkers. It would probably be a > great resource for you as you start to rely on your walker. Here's the > link to the list's info page: > www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-rollers.nfbnet.org. Hope this > helps! > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lea williams To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 16:26:23 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a White Cane with a Walker > > How much do you rely on the walker at the moment? You could try to use > one of those walkers that has wheels on it and hold with one hand in > the middle while using your other hand to use your cane. I knew a lady > once who was able to use an electric wheel chair with a very long > cane. Maybe you could think about this as an option. > > On 8/7/11, Elizabeth wrote: > Hello All, > > > > I am wondering if anyone has any ideas on how it would be possible to use > a > walker with a white cane. The loss of my independence is really starting > to > get the best of me, and I am just simply trying to think of some ideas on > how I might be able to start living more of a normal life again. Any > ideas > would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Elizabeth > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole > 1988%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail. com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmai l.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6358 (20110807) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6358 (20110807) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Mon Aug 8 03:43:34 2011 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 23:43:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Using a White Cane with a Walker In-Reply-To: References: <4e3f4312.146cdc0a.7b6f.521e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello Marsha, Thank you vary much for your ideas. I am wondering though, when you used the wheelchair, did you use one of your legs to help push the wheelchair? I have not given my borrowed wheelchair much of a chance because I am not sure if I would have enough strength to push it with my arms. And then there would still be the issue of trying to get up and down the one step that is just outside my apartment. What seems to make my situation difficult is the fact that I managed to injure both of my legs which makes it rather difficult to get around. On their own neither injury is that severe, but it is a real pain when you combine the two injuries together. I'm just tired of being held captive in my own apartment, and would like to be able to start living my life again. But again, thanks for all the ideas. I will definitely give them some thought and consideration. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Marsha Drenth" Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 10:50 PM To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a White Cane with a Walker > Elizabeth, > > I just wanted to add my two cents here. In 2009, I fell pretty badly on > one > of the Mark trains between Baltimore and Washington. I did damage to my > hip, > knee and ankle. I was in the hospital for a week, then in rehab for 2 1/2 > more weeks and then 8 weeks of physical therapy. I am totally blind. I > tried > using a walker, but because I could not use my leg much at all for those 2 > months, and more, I chose to use a wheelchair. I had a manual chair, that > I > took the arms off, and one of the leg rests. I used my cane successfully. > I > traveled on the public bus system, cabs, and paratransit in Baltimore. > After > trying and trying to figure out how to make the walker and a cane work, I > decided that using a wheelchair was the best. Yes it was temporary, and I > am > able to walk normally now. But using a wheelchair might not be that bad. I > actually found I was pretty fast and efficient in getting around. > > Thought I would share, hope it helps some. > > Marsha > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Elizabeth > Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 10:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a White Cane with a Walker > > Hello Chris, > > Thank you for your suggestion. I did not even think to check if there was > an > > email list dedicated to such a topic. Hopefully I will not have to use the > walker for vary long as my condition is only temporary. But in the > meantime, > > perhaps I might be able to pick up a few tips on there while I have to use > it. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" > Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 9:58 PM > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a White Cane with a Walker > >> Hi Elizabeth, >> >> I'd suggest joining our Blind Rollers list, a support list for blind >> people who are also in wheelchairs or walkers. It would probably be a >> great resource for you as you start to rely on your walker. Here's the >> link to the list's info page: >> www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-rollers.nfbnet.org. Hope this >> helps! >> >> Chris >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Lea williams > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 16:26:23 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a White Cane with a Walker >> >> How much do you rely on the walker at the moment? You could try to use >> one of those walkers that has wheels on it and hold with one hand in >> the middle while using your other hand to use your cane. I knew a lady >> once who was able to use an electric wheel chair with a very long >> cane. Maybe you could think about this as an option. >> >> On 8/7/11, Elizabeth wrote: >> Hello All, >> >> >> >> I am wondering if anyone has any ideas on how it would be possible to use >> a >> walker with a white cane. The loss of my independence is really starting >> to >> get the best of me, and I am just simply trying to think of some ideas on >> how I might be able to start living more of a normal life again. Any >> ideas >> would be greatly appreciated. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Elizabeth >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole >> 1988%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Lea Williams >> >> Phone; >> 704-732-4470 >> Skipe; >> Lea.williams738 >> Facebook >> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l 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<4e3fdec9.8c89e50a.2f54.ffffab17@mx.google.com> Thank you, Dave! Finally! Now, I'd guess what he'd probably do is just make a new email address and try to subscribe again. What I'd suggest (if this is possible) is to ban his email address that he's subscribed with now, and if you see his name in the "name" field of a request, I'd deny it. Thank you for saving us a lot of headaches! Chris Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: David Andrews ,,,< blindtlk at nfbnet.org Date sent: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 19:20:47 -0500 Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] [nfb-talk] organizations development need list ofnames OK, this is your one and only warning. This is not an appropriate use of our system, and you have been warned previously. If you do it again, I will ban your new address. Surely both you and I have better things to do then to play these games! David Andrews, List Owner At 09:35 PM 8/5/2011, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser wrote: New Organization for the totally Blind Development and new students division for the totally blind Development: attention all totaly Blind United States residents: 100% very 100% immediate 100% very 100% urgent response required: Hi my name is Alexander Kaiser. I would like to start an organization of totally blind people in The United States. I would like to name this organization the American Union of the totally Blind (AUTB) incorporated. I would also like to start a students organization for the totally Blind in the United States called the American union of totally Blind Students Coalition Incorporated (AUTBSCI. I am looking into starting these organizations as immediately as I can receive signatures. I am looking for all interested blind people in the united States including the District of Columbia. Please contact me if interested in developing these organizations. I accept braille letters phone calls and iemails and skype calls. My address is Attention: Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser 54 Elm Street Florham Park, New Jersey 07932. email: metalgod1030 at inbox.com. Phone: 1 9 7 3 5 2 5 8 0 9 6. I can also be contacted on Klango, skype, yahoo messenger, windows live messenger and aim. My klango id is alexkaiser1030. My skype ID is Alexander.the.great1990. My yahoo IM ID is weatherwiz999 at yahoo.com. My aim screen name is coloradorockiesfan at gmx.com. My windows live messenger ID is coloradorockiesfan at gmx.com. My alternate email address is weatherwiz999 at optonline.net. Please contact me as immediately as possible to start these important organizations. Sincerely, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser ____________________________________________________________ FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks & orcas on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/marineaquarium _______________________________________________ blindtlk mailing list blindtlk at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindtlk: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid. nusbaum%40gmail.com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 13:36:44 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 06:36:44 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Bad News for blind and visually impaired people In-Reply-To: References: <4e3f4310.146cdc0a.7b6f.521d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20110808133644.GZ3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> The DOJ is a federal rule making body. This was a state court determining that state law (we sued not under the ADA, but under California’s more forceful state law) cannot apply because the particular federal law governing these things says state laws cannot be enacted which supersede it. Joseph - kf7qzc On Sun, Aug 07, 2011 at 09:42:48PM -0500, Joshua Lester wrote: >If the Department of Justice ruled, that the ADA applies to Websites, >why then doesn't it apply to this stuff, we'e discussing? >That's crazy! >Blessings, Joshua > >On 8/7/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Sadly, no. I agree, Bridgit! Dr. tenBroek made a great point in >> his famous speech Within the Grace of God, when he said >> (paraphrasing) "Our founding fathers said in the Declaration of >> Independence that "all men are created equal." This does not >> exclude anyone with disability, including the blind." >> >> Chris >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> Check us out online at: >> http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >> www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bridgit Pollpeter > To: > Date sent: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 14:58:18 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Bad News for blind and visually impaired people >> >> This is a perfect example of how we are not all equal in America. >> This >> is a time honored tradition in a country that prides itself on >> being the >> land of the free. The Civil Rights era is still going strong, >> and those >> with disabilities have now entered the race. A judge just said, >> "You >> have no right to access these forms of information even though >> those >> with sight can." Where are our rights? This thinking, this kind >> of >> ruling makes a statement that those with sight are superior to >> those >> without sight. All people are in deed not created equal in this >> country. >> >> Sincerely, >> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter >> Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at >> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 12:39:58 -0700 >> From: "T. Joseph Carter" > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbmd] Fwd: [Nfbf-l] Bad news for blind >> and >> visually impairedpeople >> Message-ID: <20110806193955.GM3077 at yumi.bluecherry.net >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> This was posted when the decision came out and discussed at >> considerable length. This is the problem when you start >> forwarding >> people?s forwards of forwarded forwards?the NFB was the plaintiff >> in >> the case, so of course we know the outcome already. >> >> The judge ruled California state law does not supersede the >> federal >> Air Carrier Access Act which claims any and all jurisdiction for >> accessibility in and around airports. >> >> We?re not done with this. >> >> Joseph - kf7qzc >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Mon Aug 8 13:52:18 2011 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 08:52:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bad News for blind and visually impaired people In-Reply-To: <4e3f4310.146cdc0a.7b6f.521d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: While it would have been far better to have had this decision go in our favor, I think we have to be careful how we interpret decisions like this. To my knowledge, the decision did not go against us because a judge didn't think we needed this information, but rather because of the way certain laws superceed others. That doesn't make life any better for us right now, but it leaves the door open to taking other approaches. Often there is more than one path to take when filing a legal action and one tries to follow the path with the highest likelihood of success, but there is always some risk. There are times when we have felt that to take court action had a greater chance of doing dammage than helping and have not done so. While some of our accessibility feels to us that it is clearly a right, it isn't always so under the law, and we are sometimes trying to squeeze the most we can out of the fringe of the law. Technology has changed dramatically what we feel we can reasonably expect even during the past 30 years and the law takes time to catch up. We'll have to just continue figuring out how best to make our case. On Sun, 07 Aug 2011 21:58:57 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >Sadly, no. I agree, Bridgit! Dr. tenBroek made a great point in >his famous speech Within the Grace of God, when he said >(paraphrasing) "Our founding fathers said in the Declaration of >Independence that "all men are created equal." This does not >exclude anyone with disability, including the blind." >Chris >Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >Check us out online at: >http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" > Sent from my BrailleNote > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Bridgit Pollpeter To: Date sent: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 14:58:18 -0500 >Subject: [nabs-l] Bad News for blind and visually impaired people >This is a perfect example of how we are not all equal in America. >This >is a time honored tradition in a country that prides itself on >being the >land of the free. The Civil Rights era is still going strong, >and those >with disabilities have now entered the race. A judge just said, >"You >have no right to access these forms of information even though >those >with sight can." Where are our rights? This thinking, this kind >of >ruling makes a statement that those with sight are superior to >those >without sight. All people are in deed not created equal in this >country. >Sincerely, >Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter >Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at >http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ >Message: 11 >Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 12:39:58 -0700 >From: "T. Joseph Carter" To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbmd] Fwd: [Nfbf-l] Bad news for blind >and > visually impairedpeople >Message-ID: <20110806193955.GM3077 at yumi.bluecherry.net >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >This was posted when the decision came out and discussed at >considerable length. This is the problem when you start >forwarding >people?s forwards of forwarded forwards?the NFB was the plaintiff >in >the case, so of course we know the outcome already. >The judge ruled California state law does not supersede the >federal >Air Carrier Access Act which claims any and all jurisdiction for >accessibility in and around airports. >We?re not done with this. >Joseph - kf7qzc >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >sbaum%40gmail.com >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 14:06:49 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:06:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Using a White Cane with a Walker In-Reply-To: References: <4e3f4312.146cdc0a.7b6f.521e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Elizabeth, I did use my other foot to steer me, not push. I was able to use both my hands with my right hand using the cane. Yes steps are the hardest. But if you could stand long enough to get the wheelchair up that one step, then go on in or out. If I am not being too nosey, how did you injury yourself? Glad to hear this will all be temporary. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 11:44 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a White Cane with a Walker Hello Marsha, Thank you vary much for your ideas. I am wondering though, when you used the wheelchair, did you use one of your legs to help push the wheelchair? I have not given my borrowed wheelchair much of a chance because I am not sure if I would have enough strength to push it with my arms. And then there would still be the issue of trying to get up and down the one step that is just outside my apartment. What seems to make my situation difficult is the fact that I managed to injure both of my legs which makes it rather difficult to get around. On their own neither injury is that severe, but it is a real pain when you combine the two injuries together. I'm just tired of being held captive in my own apartment, and would like to be able to start living my life again. But again, thanks for all the ideas. I will definitely give them some thought and consideration. Elizabeth -------------------------------------------------- From: "Marsha Drenth" Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 10:50 PM To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a White Cane with a Walker > Elizabeth, > > I just wanted to add my two cents here. In 2009, I fell pretty badly on > one > of the Mark trains between Baltimore and Washington. I did damage to my > hip, > knee and ankle. I was in the hospital for a week, then in rehab for 2 1/2 > more weeks and then 8 weeks of physical therapy. I am totally blind. I > tried > using a walker, but because I could not use my leg much at all for those 2 > months, and more, I chose to use a wheelchair. I had a manual chair, that > I > took the arms off, and one of the leg rests. I used my cane successfully. > I > traveled on the public bus system, cabs, and paratransit in Baltimore. > After > trying and trying to figure out how to make the walker and a cane work, I > decided that using a wheelchair was the best. Yes it was temporary, and I > am > able to walk normally now. But using a wheelchair might not be that bad. I > actually found I was pretty fast and efficient in getting around. > > Thought I would share, hope it helps some. > > Marsha > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Elizabeth > Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 10:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a White Cane with a Walker > > Hello Chris, > > Thank you for your suggestion. I did not even think to check if there was > an > > email list dedicated to such a topic. Hopefully I will not have to use the > walker for vary long as my condition is only temporary. But in the > meantime, > > perhaps I might be able to pick up a few tips on there while I have to use > it. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" > Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 9:58 PM > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a White Cane with a Walker > >> Hi Elizabeth, >> >> I'd suggest joining our Blind Rollers list, a support list for blind >> people who are also in wheelchairs or walkers. It would probably be a >> great resource for you as you start to rely on your walker. Here's the >> link to the list's info page: >> www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-rollers.nfbnet.org. Hope this >> helps! >> >> Chris >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Lea williams > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 16:26:23 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a White Cane with a Walker >> >> How much do you rely on the walker at the moment? You could try to use >> one of those walkers that has wheels on it and hold with one hand in >> the middle while using your other hand to use your cane. I knew a lady >> once who was able to use an electric wheel chair with a very long >> cane. Maybe you could think about this as an option. >> >> On 8/7/11, Elizabeth wrote: >> Hello All, >> >> >> >> I am wondering if anyone has any ideas on how it would be possible to use >> a >> walker with a white cane. The loss of my independence is really starting >> to >> get the best of me, and I am just simply trying to think of some ideas on >> how I might be able to start living more of a normal life again. Any >> ideas >> would be greatly appreciated. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Elizabeth >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole >> 1988%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Lea Williams >> >> Phone; >> 704-732-4470 >> Skipe; >> Lea.williams738 >> Facebook >> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail. > com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmai > l.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 6358 (20110807) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 6358 (20110807) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail. com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmai l.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6358 (20110807) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6359 (20110808) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6359 (20110808) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 16:16:47 2011 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:16:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] resources for college textbooks Message-ID: Hi everyone: I'm about to start my freshman year at Muhlenberg College and am trying to find electronic copies of textbooks and running into difficulty. If books are not on bookshare, what do you all recommend? Is it worth my while to try contacting publishers for electronic copies? Thanks, Patrick Molloy From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 16:22:07 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 12:22:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [nabs] Alexander Kaiser's Messages Message-ID: <4e400d5f.a164340a.0994.ffff8ba0@mx.google.com> This is a message that someone sent to this Alexander Kaiser spammer guy. Finally! Chris Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ---- Original Message ------ From: "Terrell Jones" From brice.smith319 at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 16:34:43 2011 From: brice.smith319 at gmail.com (Brice Smith) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:34:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Convention Audio and Updates Message-ID: Simply out of passing interest, I'm wondering if the NABS convention meeting audio was ever posted online. I remember hearing talk about it directly after convention, but cannot find it in my mail archives or posted online at nabslinkaudio.org. I only ask because I'm interested in hearing it if it's available, and, somewhat surprisingly, there hasn't been a lot of traffic or updates from anyone in NABS leadership in the month since convention has ended. Brice -- Brice Smith North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com From nbrav003 at fiu.edu Mon Aug 8 16:40:57 2011 From: nbrav003 at fiu.edu (Nallym Bravo) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:40:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] resources for college textbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5050D199-0D8A-4091-99E0-52FF113E5B16@fiu.edu> Hi Patrick, After bookshare you might want to try: http://www.accesstext.org/fedsearch.php which searches through several other accessible textbook resources. At the NABS meeting at Convention there was a speaker from a new resource called The student ebook rental pilate project, and it seemed really good. The blio bookstore also has textbooks. As far as contacting publishers goes, it's worth a try. In my experience, Pearson has been super helpful. I just had to show them my receipt for having bought the print textbook and they have sent a PDF within a couple of weeks. If you are going to contact publishers, though, I would suggest you do it as soon as possible because they sometimes take a while. So best of luck, hope you can find everything you need, and enjoy the college experience :) Best, Nallym On Aug 8, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Patrick Molloy wrote: > Hi everyone: > I'm about to start my freshman year at Muhlenberg College and am > trying to find electronic copies of textbooks and running into > difficulty. If books are not on bookshare, what do you all recommend? > Is it worth my while to try contacting publishers for electronic > copies? > Thanks, > Patrick Molloy > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nbrav003%40fiu.edu From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Aug 8 16:45:10 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 11:45:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] resources for college textbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Patrick, do you have the Blio? If so, you can download books, from the publisher's Website, (if I'm not mistaken.) I have to rely on Learning Alie, for my audiobooks, because my books aren't in Braille, (which I need for Algebra.) Blessings, Joshua On 8/8/11, Patrick Molloy wrote: > Hi everyone: > I'm about to start my freshman year at Muhlenberg College and am > trying to find electronic copies of textbooks and running into > difficulty. If books are not on bookshare, what do you all recommend? > Is it worth my while to try contacting publishers for electronic > copies? > Thanks, > Patrick Molloy > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From carlymih at earthlink.net Mon Aug 8 18:04:36 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 11:04:36 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] resources for college textbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110808105413.01d67580@earthlink.net> Good morning, Patrick, Have you heard of BARD through NLS? Do you have a Victor Stream or some other digital book player like a booksense or some other player which, I think is a must, what with the fazing out of traditional cassettes as well as the easy way of navigating recorded texts for purposes of schoolwork? Good luck and keep us posted. for today, Car/2011, you wrote: >Hi everyone: >I'm about to start my freshman year at Muhlenberg College and am >trying to find electronic copies of textbooks and running into >difficulty. If books are not on bookshare, what do you all recommend? >Is it worth my while to try contacting publishers for electronic >copies? >Thanks, >Patrick Molloy > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From dandrews at visi.com Mon Aug 8 20:14:18 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 15:14:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] preparing for the LSAT In-Reply-To: References: <8ydo3kmemp4p1hr3edbsgdlt.1311921212997@email.android.com> <936CE3A219654DCAAC202B6F9D979B1F@OwnerPC> Message-ID: We have a list for blind lawyers, go to: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindlaw_nfbnet.org to subscribe. Dave At 09:08 PM 7/30/2011, you wrote: >Hello, > >I'm new to this e-mail list. I'm interested in applying to law school. >I'm looking for any website or resources that you many know about to >assist blind students prepare for the LSAT. Most of the info that I've >come across involves strategies of drawing diagrams to succeed in the >logic games on the LSAT. Your assistance is greatly appreciated. > >If you are a current law student, I'd really like to chat with you. > >Thanks in advance. >God bless, >Roger Khouri From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Mon Aug 8 22:32:55 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:32:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bad news for blind and visually impaired people In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Steve, I understand this ruling does not mean a judge didn't feel we had a right to the information. Laws are structured with many elements, and a judge is following the law and not necessarily any personal agenda. My point, however, is that at the heart of this issue, regardless of motive, blind people can not independently access these forms of information, and our legal system just ruled saying this company does not have to do anything to provide accessibility, therefore denying us access to the information. Those who can visually see have no problem. If an airport check-in kiosk was on the fritz, the airport would fix it promptly so it could be used ASAP. They would not say, oh well, the kiosk broke so you passengers have to go back to checking in the old-fashioned way. But when we communicate the inaccessibility of such kiosk for visually impaired people allowing us to check-in independently, just like everyone else, not only does the company say no, the legal system supports the no. So we are denied access to information those with sight can access with no problem or assistance. By its basic definition, this is creating inequality. It is not a matter of blaming the judge or claiming out-right intentional discrimination; We have been denied something that is a convenience, but a convenience others can easily access. I'm not addressing any personal feelings the judge may have had, nor am I even addressing the law; I'm stating that, whether legal or not, denying access to one group of people is labeling that group as less equal than others. It is a basic definition- look it up in a dictionary. Visually impaired customers have been divided and separated from those with sight and denied access to this information. It is not a heated statement from the heart- it is the facts of this ruling when looking at the definition of inequality. We shouldn't be ranting and raving, running around half-cocked jumping to assumptions. However, I've yet to read anything on this list in regards to this matter that would suggest we temper our responses and be careful of how we present our questions and concerns. Another law in this country is we can speak our minds with no fear of legal ramifications. We have every right to question this ruling especially if we don't understand the outcome. Most of us have a superficial knowledge of the law, and very few of us understand the intricate process of the law. When something seems unfair we have every right to speak up. I don't believe any damage to the Federation or this case is being done because of our desire to understand and question the ruling. And perhaps the law needs to change. There was a time when our legal system supported segregation. It was once completely legal to deny service to people of different races and ethnicities. Eventually this became illegal. Perhaps this current ruling is an example of how we need to change the law. Maybe it should be illegal to deny accessibility just as it is now illegal to deny fair and equal treatment to people of different races. Just because the law upheld this decision doesn't mean we should sit back and accept it. It is not necessarily the judges fault if they were simply following the law as it is currently established, but it is the law that must be examined and shown to create inequality. This issue isn't even about technology and what it can offer. It is about providing equal access to information. Forget for the moment what laws may or may not support such a decision, in terms of civil rights and the human condition, why should we not have equal independent access to information ? Should not the law reflect such ideas of equality? For those of us who understand just how capable blind people are, and who believe limits are a thing of the past, such a ruling highlights how unfair our laws can be. If we have the same potential as the non-blind, why don't we have access to life in an equal manner? Why do our laws not support equal rulings? If one group can use something, than all groups should be able to access it. I don't believe any inappropriate comments have been made threatening this case or others like it, nor do I think we should accept this ruling just because the law currently supports it. This is the point of the Federation- to create equal opportunities, and fight for fair and equal treatment in all facets of life. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 08:52:18 -0500 From: "Steve Jacobson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bad News for blind and visually impaired people Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" While it would have been far better to have had this decision go in our favor, I think we have to be careful how we interpret decisions like this. To my knowledge, the decision did not go against us because a judge didn't think we needed this information, but rather because of the way certain laws superceed others. That doesn't make life any better for us right now, but it leaves the door open to taking other approaches. Often there is more than one path to take when filing a legal action and one tries to follow the path with the highest likelihood of success, but there is always some risk. There are times when we have felt that to take court action had a greater chance of doing dammage than helping and have not done so. While some of our accessibility feels to us that it is clearly a right, it isn't always so under the law, and we are sometimes trying to squeeze the most we can out of the fringe of the law. Technology has changed dramatically what we feel we can reasonably expect even during the past 30 years and the law takes time to catch up. We'll have to just continue figuring out how best to make our case. From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Aug 8 22:37:25 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 18:37:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Convention Audio and Updates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd like to listen to the nabs meeting too when its on the website. -----Original Message----- From: Brice Smith Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 12:34 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Convention Audio and Updates Simply out of passing interest, I'm wondering if the NABS convention meeting audio was ever posted online. I remember hearing talk about it directly after convention, but cannot find it in my mail archives or posted online at nabslinkaudio.org. I only ask because I'm interested in hearing it if it's available, and, somewhat surprisingly, there hasn't been a lot of traffic or updates from anyone in NABS leadership in the month since convention has ended. Brice -- Brice Smith North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 00:35:47 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:35:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Convention Audio and Updates In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hellofolks, Great questions Brice, and thanks for bringing them up. Unfortunately, there has not been resolution relating to the matter of the recordings. an effort has been made to that end, but we will most certainly see to it that a solid answer regarding the recordings is made available to the membership. As for communication from nabs leadership, a statement was sent out via list serve to the membership From President Sean Whalen. in this message he covered the results of elections and encouraged all to contact him or the board and be on the look out for more information in the coming weeks. The most recent update I have to share with you all is that we are in the final stages of assigning regions and committees to the board members and finalized information as that goes will be made available as soon as we have that. The first membership call has been planned and is set for the 21st of this month. This call will provide an oppertunity for all interested persons to meet the new board and learn about the committees and regions they serve. This will also serve as a good chance for you all to think about any committees you would like to serve on. If there are any further questions, you are more than welcome to contact Sean. I am always available to everyone to answer a question, but Sean should be your first contact there. Thank you, Darian On 8/8/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > I'd like to listen to the nabs meeting too when its on the website. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brice Smith > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 12:34 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Convention Audio and Updates > > Simply out of passing interest, I'm wondering if the NABS convention > meeting audio was ever posted online. I remember hearing talk about it > directly after convention, but cannot find it in my mail archives or > posted online at nabslinkaudio.org. > > I only ask because I'm interested in hearing it if it's available, > and, somewhat surprisingly, there hasn't been a lot of traffic or > updates from anyone in NABS leadership in the month since convention > has ended. > > Brice > > -- > Brice Smith > North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations > Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > -- Darian Smith "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 00:44:59 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 20:44:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] resources for college textbooks Message-ID: <4e40833b.8388e50a.2bdb.ffffae14@mx.google.com> Hi Patrick, Your DSS office could subscribe to the AccessText database, if it hasen't done so already. You could also try Learning Ally (which used to be RFBD.) Chris Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Molloy References: Message-ID: good point. The door is still open and I hope the matter is pursued further. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Jacobson Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 9:52 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bad News for blind and visually impaired people While it would have been far better to have had this decision go in our favor, I think we have to be careful how we interpret decisions like this. To my knowledge, the decision did not go against us because a judge didn't think we needed this information, but rather because of the way certain laws superceed others. That doesn't make life any better for us right now, but it leaves the door open to taking other approaches. Often there is more than one path to take when filing a legal action and one tries to follow the path with the highest likelihood of success, but there is always some risk. There are times when we have felt that to take court action had a greater chance of doing dammage than helping and have not done so. While some of our accessibility feels to us that it is clearly a right, it isn't always so under the law, and we are sometimes trying to squeeze the most we can out of the fringe of the law. Technology has changed dramatically what we feel we can reasonably expect even during the past 30 years and the law takes time to catch up. We'll have to just continue figuring out how best to make our case. On Sun, 07 Aug 2011 21:58:57 -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >Sadly, no. I agree, Bridgit! Dr. tenBroek made a great point in >his famous speech Within the Grace of God, when he said >(paraphrasing) "Our founding fathers said in the Declaration of >Independence that "all men are created equal." This does not >exclude anyone with disability, including the blind." >Chris >Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >Check us out online at: >http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" > Sent from my BrailleNote > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Bridgit Pollpeter To: Date sent: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 14:58:18 -0500 >Subject: [nabs-l] Bad News for blind and visually impaired people >This is a perfect example of how we are not all equal in America. >This >is a time honored tradition in a country that prides itself on >being the >land of the free. The Civil Rights era is still going strong, >and those >with disabilities have now entered the race. A judge just said, >"You >have no right to access these forms of information even though >those >with sight can." Where are our rights? This thinking, this kind >of >ruling makes a statement that those with sight are superior to >those >without sight. All people are in deed not created equal in this >country. >Sincerely, >Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter >Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at >http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ >Message: 11 >Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 12:39:58 -0700 >From: "T. Joseph Carter" To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [Nfbmd] Fwd: [Nfbf-l] Bad news for blind >and > visually impairedpeople >Message-ID: <20110806193955.GM3077 at yumi.bluecherry.net >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >This was posted when the decision came out and discussed at >considerable length. This is the problem when you start >forwarding >people?s forwards of forwarded forwards?the NFB was the plaintiff >in >the case, so of course we know the outcome already. >The judge ruled California state law does not supersede the >federal >Air Carrier Access Act which claims any and all jurisdiction for >accessibility in and around airports. >We?re not done with this. >Joseph - kf7qzc >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >sbaum%40gmail.com >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 07:57:07 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 01:57:07 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] starting school again Message-ID: Hey guys. I'm starting school again at Metro State College of Denver. But I have a problem. I have the .rfbd books in my computer, but the download manager isn't working. I tried downloading the latest manager, but still. Won't work. It says it can't find the file on the server, so I don't know what's the fuss with that. I need the books I downloaded for school, so any help is greatly appreciated. I thought I might go in and have the files downloaded onto a lab computer in the disabilities office because they have a school account with Learning Ally. Anyway, any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Beth From maurice.mines at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 14:58:19 2011 From: maurice.mines at gmail.com (Maurice Mines) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 08:58:19 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] starting school again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99442E42-8928-4754-A0B5-3A9246A06B9E@gmail.com> Hello back, my name is Maurice minds and I serve on the board of the Colorado Association of blind students, I am also a computer guy kind of, if you would please give me a jingle at 970-716-0720 I would be happy to walk you through how to solve this. I'm also a Metro State alum so I know what you are going through kind of. Also after talking with our president we would be happy if you would join us on Sunday evening for our statewide conference call. Hope all is well, please do give me a call. I look for to hearing from you either by phone, or e-mail. Thank you very much for reading this. Maurice minds, board member Colorado Association of blind students. Notice this message has been dictated by using Dragon dictate. Some words, phrases, or spellings, may be incorrect. If there are any errors in this e-mail, they're the result of either the software, or the dictation process. You very much for reading this. On Aug 9, 2011, at 1:57 AM, Beth wrote: > Hey guys. I'm starting school again at Metro State College of Denver. > But I have a problem. I have the .rfbd books in my computer, but the > download manager isn't working. I tried downloading the latest > manager, but still. Won't work. It says it can't find the file on > the server, so I don't know what's the fuss with that. I need the > books I downloaded for school, so any help is greatly appreciated. I > thought I might go in and have the files downloaded onto a lab > computer in the disabilities office because they have a school account > with Learning Ally. Anyway, any help would be appreciated. Thanks. > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/maurice.mines%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 15:10:13 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 11:10:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] resources for college textbooks Message-ID: <4e414e05.c24a340a.0aec.0176@mx.google.com> You could also try WebBraille from NLS. To sign up for BARD or WebBraille, call your state LBPH (Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped.) I believe you live in Maryland, if I have the right person. If so, you can call the MDLBPH at 1-800-964-9209. Chris Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Carly Mihalakis References: <4e414e05.c24a340a.0aec.0176@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4E416049.1030904@gtwebdesign.us> another good source for college texts in an ebook format is: www.coursesmart.com Hope this helps, Greg W. Yesterday is forever gone, tomorrow may never come, today is the day of all days. On 8/9/2011 11:10 AM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > You could also try WebBraille from NLS. To sign up for BARD or > WebBraille, call your state LBPH (Library for the Blind and Physically > Handicapped.) I believe you live in Maryland, if I have the right > person. If so, you can call the MDLBPH at 1-800-964-9209. > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carly Mihalakis To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 11:04:36 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] resources for college textbooks > > > Good morning, Patrick, > > Have you heard of BARD through NLS? Do you have a Victor > Stream or some other digital book player like a booksense or some > other player which, I think is a must, what with the fazing out of > traditional cassettes as well as the easy way of navigating recorded > texts for purposes of schoolwork? > Good luck and keep us posted. > for today, > Car/2011, you wrote: > Hi everyone: > I'm about to start my freshman year at Muhlenberg College and am > trying to find electronic copies of textbooks and running into > difficulty. If books are not on bookshare, what do you all recommend? > Is it worth my while to try contacting publishers for electronic > copies? > Thanks, > Patrick Molloy > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih% > 40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/icewolf2011%40gtwebdesign.us > > From hope.paulos at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 16:53:30 2011 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 12:53:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] resources for college textbooks In-Reply-To: <4E416049.1030904@gtwebdesign.us> References: <4e414e05.c24a340a.0aec.0176@mx.google.com> <4E416049.1030904@gtwebdesign.us> Message-ID: Learning ally formerly reading for the blind and dyslexic is also a good resource but the books are audio. Sent from my iPod On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Icewolf wrote: > another good source for college texts in an ebook format is: > www.coursesmart.com > Hope this helps, > Greg W. > > Yesterday is forever gone, tomorrow may never come, today is the day of all days. > > > On 8/9/2011 11:10 AM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> You could also try WebBraille from NLS. To sign up for BARD or WebBraille, call your state LBPH (Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped.) I believe you live in Maryland, if I have the right person. If so, you can call the MDLBPH at 1-800-964-9209. >> >> Chris >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Carly Mihalakis > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 11:04:36 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] resources for college textbooks >> >> >> Good morning, Patrick, >> >> Have you heard of BARD through NLS? Do you have a Victor >> Stream or some other digital book player like a booksense or some >> other player which, I think is a must, what with the fazing out of >> traditional cassettes as well as the easy way of navigating recorded >> texts for purposes of schoolwork? >> Good luck and keep us posted. >> for today, >> Car/2011, you wrote: >> Hi everyone: >> I'm about to start my freshman year at Muhlenberg College and am >> trying to find electronic copies of textbooks and running into >> difficulty. If books are not on bookshare, what do you all recommend? >> Is it worth my while to try contacting publishers for electronic >> copies? >> Thanks, >> Patrick Molloy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih% >> 40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/icewolf2011%40gtwebdesign.us >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 20:19:07 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 16:19:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] =?iso-8859-1?q?=5Bnabs=5D_Fw=3A_Benefit_from_HumanWare?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=E2=80=99s_Back_to_School_Specials!?= Message-ID: <4e41966b.46b0340a.4026.139b@mx.google.com> =20----=20Original=20Message=20------ From:=20"Dornetta"=20 References: <4e41966b.46b0340a.4026.139b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20110809212719.GR3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> I have to be somewhat amused about the fact that iTunes audio playback is FREE for a limited time only. When the Victor Stream came out, I bought one in part because of the mp4 audio playback option listed prominently in the specs. I tested this, found it didn’t actually work, and I emailed HumanWare about it. I was told that they’d resolved the issue by removing mp4 audio playback from the list of features. (Gee, thanks!) But they thought it was a great idea, and they’d look at adding it in the future! They added it as part of a $49 softpak—free probably for a limited time! Better jump on that! Thankfully there are now alternatives to the Victor Reader Stream. For a time, they were the only game in town. Personally, I advise looking at the alternatives. I hear HIMS has a good product. Joseph - kf7qzc On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 04:19:07PM -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > > >---- Original Message ------ >From: "Dornetta" Subject: [nabs] Fw: Benefit from HumanWare???s Back to School >Specials! >Date sent: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 16:35:30 -0400 > >Just thought I'd share. My VR Stream has went to the graveyard so I >am >looking to purchase another and wanted to share this with my fellow >students. :-) >Netta >"Just because you are blind, does not mean you lack vision"-Stevie >Wonder >----- Original Message ----- >From: "HumanWare" To: Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 3:35 PM >Subject: Benefit from HumanWare???s Back to School Specials! > > >Victor Reader Stream Digital Book Player with FREE SoftPak >(allows docx, mp3 recording, iTunes audio playback) > >Free shipping for online purchases! >Buy Now: >http://visit.humanware.com/e/3332/uct-stockcode-vrs-free-softpak/ >7WIB4/240489352 > >Trekker Breeze Talking GPS FREE U.S.A. GPS maps > >Free shipping for online purchases! >http://visit.humanware.com/e/3332/uct-stockcode-beeze-w-gps-maps/ >7WIBE/240489352 > >BrailleNote or VoiceNote Apex with FREE Oxford Dictionary and Nemeth >Tutorial >Ask about special trade in values for all brands of note takers > >Toll-free: (800) 722-3393 >Website: >www.humanware.com > >Educational discounts available for quantity purchases! > >짤2011 HumanWare. >http://visit.humanware.com/e/3332/2011-08-08/7WIBO/240489352 > >*Valid for U.S. residents only. These offer end September 30. >Unsubscribe >http://visit.humanware.com/unsubscribe/u/3332/8efac8746c4d1e70cfc >f85fb3de757ba/240489352 >from our newsletter. > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs mailing list >nabs at acb.org >http://www.acb.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Aug 9 21:32:33 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 17:32:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] =?utf-8?q?=5Bnabs=5D_Fw=3A_Benefit_from_HumanWare=C3=A2?= =?utf-8?q?=3F=3Fs_Back_to_School_Specials!?= In-Reply-To: <20110809212719.GR3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <4e41966b.46b0340a.4026.139b@mx.google.com> <20110809212719.GR3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: I have a vr stream too. But there are alternatives that do the same thing -----Original Message----- From: T. Joseph Carter Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 5:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [nabs] Fw: Benefit from HumanWareâ??s Back to School Specials! I have to be somewhat amused about the fact that iTunes audio playback is FREE for a limited time only. When the Victor Stream came out, I bought one in part because of the mp4 audio playback option listed prominently in the specs. I tested this, found it didn’t actually work, and I emailed HumanWare about it. I was told that they’d resolved the issue by removing mp4 audio playback from the list of features. (Gee, thanks!) But they thought it was a great idea, and they’d look at adding it in the future! They added it as part of a $49 softpak—free probably for a limited time! Better jump on that! Thankfully there are now alternatives to the Victor Reader Stream. For a time, they were the only game in town. Personally, I advise looking at the alternatives. I hear HIMS has a good product. Joseph - kf7qzc On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 04:19:07PM -0400, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > > >---- Original Message ------ >From: "Dornetta" Subject: [nabs] Fw: Benefit from HumanWare???s Back to School Specials! >Date sent: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 16:35:30 -0400 > >Just thought I'd share. My VR Stream has went to the graveyard so I am >looking to purchase another and wanted to share this with my fellow >students. :-) >Netta >"Just because you are blind, does not mean you lack vision"-Stevie Wonder >----- Original Message ----- >From: "HumanWare" To: Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 3:35 PM >Subject: Benefit from HumanWare???s Back to School Specials! > > >Victor Reader Stream Digital Book Player with FREE SoftPak >(allows docx, mp3 recording, iTunes audio playback) > >Free shipping for online purchases! >Buy Now: >http://visit.humanware.com/e/3332/uct-stockcode-vrs-free-softpak/ >7WIB4/240489352 > >Trekker Breeze Talking GPS FREE U.S.A. GPS maps > >Free shipping for online purchases! >http://visit.humanware.com/e/3332/uct-stockcode-beeze-w-gps-maps/ >7WIBE/240489352 > >BrailleNote or VoiceNote Apex with FREE Oxford Dictionary and Nemeth >Tutorial >Ask about special trade in values for all brands of note takers > >Toll-free: (800) 722-3393 >Website: >www.humanware.com > >Educational discounts available for quantity purchases! > >짤2011 HumanWare. >http://visit.humanware.com/e/3332/2011-08-08/7WIBO/240489352 > >*Valid for U.S. residents only. These offer end September 30. >Unsubscribe >http://visit.humanware.com/unsubscribe/u/3332/8efac8746c4d1e70cfc >f85fb3de757ba/240489352 >from our newsletter. > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs mailing list >nabs at acb.org >http://www.acb.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Aug 9 21:46:32 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 17:46:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices Message-ID: Hi all, With budget cuts to many nonprofits, Learning Ally lost their federal funding. They are now charging individuals a large fee annually for membership; when I joined years ago, I paid $35, but its much more than $35 now! Have you heard the news? I received word today via my email from Learning Ally that effective September 1 individual memberships are $99. It said the following: a.. On September 1, 2011 Individual Memberships will be $99 per year -a little more than eight dollars a month. b.. For a limited time only, we are offering a special opportunity to renew your current membership for $79 (a savings of $20). Take advantage of this special membership offer, renew on/before August 31, 2011. So what do you think? Will you pay this fee? I know many of you may be tight on money; I hope your family can chip in or some group can sponsor you. Budgets are very tight. Personally, I enjoyed the free books. But I do understand the rationale to begin charging once again. They are a nonprofit after all. Other college students pay a lot for their texts. I think a membership to audible.com is more expensive than this. As for me, I plan to take more classes at community college even though I graduated in 2009 with a BA degree. I need to keep my writing and study skills active. I think I will renew my Learning Ally membership. They recorded several books for me during school; the staff at the studio is very friendly. Good thing I have a paying internship to help cover the cost. I knew this was coming when I heard Learning Ally was losing funding. I knew it months ago prior to their announcement today. Learning Ally has their flaws, but overall their books are helpful. I cannot study with a human reader at midnight, but I can pull out my Learning Ally book anytime and hear a human voice read to me. Ashley From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 22:29:59 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 15:29:59 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110809222958.GT3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> For me it’s a no-brainer. I did not renew my Bookshare account despite being an avid Bookshare user because I do not have the money. The Organization Formerly Known As RFB&D wants twice as much, and they just don’t have the library of books I need anymore. Were I still a student, that might be different, but the whole time I was in graduate school, they had I think two of my textbooks. I just can’t justify the expense, no matter how awesome AnneMarie Cook is. Joseph - kf7qzc On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 05:46:32PM -0400, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >Hi all, >With budget cuts to many nonprofits, Learning Ally lost their federal funding. >They are now charging individuals a large fee annually for membership; when I joined years ago, I paid $35, but >its much more than $35 now! >Have you heard the news? >I received word today via my email from Learning Ally that effective September 1 >individual memberships are $99. >It said the following: > a.. On September 1, 2011 Individual Memberships will be $99 per year -a little more than eight dollars a month. > b.. For a limited time only, we are offering a special opportunity to renew your current membership for $79 (a savings of $20). Take advantage of this special membership offer, renew on/before August 31, 2011. >So what do you think? Will you pay this fee? >I know many of you may be tight on money; I hope your family can chip in or some group can sponsor you. Budgets are very tight. Personally, I enjoyed the free books. But I do understand the rationale to begin charging once again. They are a nonprofit after all. Other college students pay a lot for their texts. I think a membership to audible.com is more expensive than this. >As for me, I plan to take more classes at community college even though I graduated in 2009 with a BA degree. I need to keep my writing and study skills active. I think I will renew my Learning Ally membership. They recorded several books for me during school; the staff at the studio is very friendly. Good thing I have a paying internship to help cover the cost. >I knew this was coming when I heard Learning Ally was losing funding. I knew it months ago prior to their announcement today. >Learning Ally has their flaws, but overall their books are helpful. I cannot study with a human reader at midnight, but I can pull out my Learning Ally book anytime and hear a human voice read to me. > >Ashley >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Tue Aug 9 22:35:48 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 17:35:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices References: <20110809222958.GT3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <001a01cc56e4$afb0bef0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Joseph and everyone, I get more benefit from Bookshare.org over Learning Allie any day. These days if I can't find it on bookshare I'll buy it from Blio. How sad. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices For me it’s a no-brainer. I did not renew my Bookshare account despite being an avid Bookshare user because I do not have the money. The Organization Formerly Known As RFB&D wants twice as much, and they just don’t have the library of books I need anymore. Were I still a student, that might be different, but the whole time I was in graduate school, they had I think two of my textbooks. I just can’t justify the expense, no matter how awesome AnneMarie Cook is. Joseph - kf7qzc On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 05:46:32PM -0400, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >Hi all, >With budget cuts to many nonprofits, Learning Ally lost their federal >funding. >They are now charging individuals a large fee annually for membership; when >I joined years ago, I paid $35, but >its much more than $35 now! >Have you heard the news? >I received word today via my email from Learning Ally that effective >September 1 >individual memberships are $99. >It said the following: > a.. On September 1, 2011 Individual Memberships will be $99 per year -a > little more than eight dollars a month. > b.. For a limited time only, we are offering a special opportunity to > renew your current membership for $79 (a savings of $20). Take advantage > of this special membership offer, renew on/before August 31, 2011. >So what do you think? Will you pay this fee? >I know many of you may be tight on money; I hope your family can chip in or >some group can sponsor you. Budgets are very tight. Personally, I enjoyed >the free books. But I do understand the rationale to begin charging once >again. They are a nonprofit after all. Other college students pay a lot for >their texts. I think a membership to audible.com is more expensive than >this. >As for me, I plan to take more classes at community college even though I >graduated in 2009 with a BA degree. I need to keep my writing and study >skills active. I think I will renew my Learning Ally membership. They >recorded several books for me during school; the staff at the studio is >very friendly. Good thing I have a paying internship to help cover the >cost. >I knew this was coming when I heard Learning Ally was losing funding. I >knew it months ago prior to their announcement today. >Learning Ally has their flaws, but overall their books are helpful. I >cannot study with a human reader at midnight, but I can pull out my >Learning Ally book anytime and hear a human voice read to me. > >Ashley >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Aug 9 22:45:21 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 18:45:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: <20110809222958.GT3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <20110809222958.GT3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <9F7FE103101749A68F16E6D8C85B4156@OwnerPC> Joeseph, Well RFB had several psychology books for me and I remember the days of listening to them at night in the library. I plan to be a student in the future and RFB certainly has more than textbooks; so I belive they are of benefit to non students too. I would take four classes and 2 or three texts were generally on RFB audio. When I was a student, bookshare was more for leisure reading. But I hear now they have more texts. For those who like synthesized speech, you can always get an electronic textbook or scan it yourself. But for me, hearing the human voice helps me learn. My VR stream has text to speech capability, but I can hardly understandthe fuzzy speech! I am so thankful for RFB and NLS books. I used NLS books for some novels in school including To Kill a Mocking Bird, The Prince, and Death of a Salesman. I would think if money is an issue that you could ask VR to pay for it. They may say no, but its worth a try. Also universities should have their own institutional membership to Learning Ally. So if you want their books using your school may be an option too. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: T. Joseph Carter Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 6:29 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices For me it’s a no-brainer. I did not renew my Bookshare account despite being an avid Bookshare user because I do not have the money. The Organization Formerly Known As RFB&D wants twice as much, and they just don’t have the library of books I need anymore. Were I still a student, that might be different, but the whole time I was in graduate school, they had I think two of my textbooks. I just can’t justify the expense, no matter how awesome AnneMarie Cook is. Joseph - kf7qzc On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 05:46:32PM -0400, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >Hi all, >With budget cuts to many nonprofits, Learning Ally lost their federal >funding. >They are now charging individuals a large fee annually for membership; when >I joined years ago, I paid $35, but >its much more than $35 now! >Have you heard the news? >I received word today via my email from Learning Ally that effective >September 1 >individual memberships are $99. >It said the following: > a.. On September 1, 2011 Individual Memberships will be $99 per year -a > little more than eight dollars a month. > b.. For a limited time only, we are offering a special opportunity to > renew your current membership for $79 (a savings of $20). Take advantage > of this special membership offer, renew on/before August 31, 2011. >So what do you think? Will you pay this fee? >I know many of you may be tight on money; I hope your family can chip in or >some group can sponsor you. Budgets are very tight. Personally, I enjoyed >the free books. But I do understand the rationale to begin charging once >again. They are a nonprofit after all. Other college students pay a lot for >their texts. I think a membership to audible.com is more expensive than >this. >As for me, I plan to take more classes at community college even though I >graduated in 2009 with a BA degree. I need to keep my writing and study >skills active. I think I will renew my Learning Ally membership. They >recorded several books for me during school; the staff at the studio is >very friendly. Good thing I have a paying internship to help cover the >cost. >I knew this was coming when I heard Learning Ally was losing funding. I >knew it months ago prior to their announcement today. >Learning Ally has their flaws, but overall their books are helpful. I >cannot study with a human reader at midnight, but I can pull out my >Learning Ally book anytime and hear a human voice read to me. > >Ashley >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 22:57:56 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 15:57:56 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: <9F7FE103101749A68F16E6D8C85B4156@OwnerPC> References: <20110809222958.GT3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> <9F7FE103101749A68F16E6D8C85B4156@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <20110809225755.GV3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> Human speech is far better than electronic, that’s for sure. But products other than the Stream have at least better electronic speech. I was quite impressed by the HIMS products' features and price point. They’re also a lot smaller than the Victor Stream, and they’re actually trying to innovate in their products. All bonuses! Joseph - kf7qzc On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 06:45:21PM -0400, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >Joeseph, >Well RFB had several psychology books for me and I remember the days of >listening to them at night in the library. I plan to be a student in >the future and RFB certainly has more than textbooks; so I belive >they are of benefit to non students too. >I would take four classes and 2 or three texts were generally on RFB audio. > >When I was a student, bookshare was more for leisure reading. But I >hear now they have more texts. >For those who like synthesized speech, you can always get an >electronic textbook or scan it yourself. But for me, hearing the >human voice helps me learn. >My VR stream has text to speech capability, but I can hardly >understandthe fuzzy speech! I am so thankful for RFB and NLS books. >I used NLS books for some novels in school including To Kill a >Mocking Bird, The Prince, and Death of a Salesman. >I would think if money is an issue that you could ask VR to pay for >it. They may say no, but its worth a try. >Also universities should have their own institutional membership to >Learning Ally. >So if you want their books using your school may be an option too. > >Ashley > >-----Original Message----- From: T. Joseph Carter >Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 6:29 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > >For me it’s a no-brainer. I did not renew my Bookshare account >despite being an avid Bookshare user because I do not have the money. > >The Organization Formerly Known As RFB&D wants twice as much, and >they just don’t have the library of books I need anymore. Were I >still a student, that might be different, but the whole time I was in >graduate school, they had I think two of my textbooks. I just can’t >justify the expense, no matter how awesome AnneMarie Cook is. > >Joseph - kf7qzc > > >On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 05:46:32PM -0400, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>Hi all, >>With budget cuts to many nonprofits, Learning Ally lost their >>federal funding. >>They are now charging individuals a large fee annually for >>membership; when I joined years ago, I paid $35, but >>its much more than $35 now! >>Have you heard the news? >>I received word today via my email from Learning Ally that >>effective September 1 >>individual memberships are $99. >>It said the following: >> a.. On September 1, 2011 Individual Memberships will be $99 per >>year -a little more than eight dollars a month. >> b.. For a limited time only, we are offering a special opportunity >>to renew your current membership for $79 (a savings of $20). Take >>advantage of this special membership offer, renew on/before August >>31, 2011. >>So what do you think? Will you pay this fee? >>I know many of you may be tight on money; I hope your family can >>chip in or some group can sponsor you. Budgets are very tight. >>Personally, I enjoyed the free books. But I do understand the >>rationale to begin charging once again. They are a nonprofit after >>all. Other college students pay a lot for their texts. I think a >>membership to audible.com is more expensive than this. >>As for me, I plan to take more classes at community college even >>though I graduated in 2009 with a BA degree. I need to keep my >>writing and study skills active. I think I will renew my Learning >>Ally membership. They recorded several books for me during school; >>the staff at the studio is very friendly. Good thing I have a >>paying internship to help cover the cost. >>I knew this was coming when I heard Learning Ally was losing >>funding. I knew it months ago prior to their announcement today. >>Learning Ally has their flaws, but overall their books are helpful. >>I cannot study with a human reader at midnight, but I can pull out >>my Learning Ally book anytime and hear a human voice read to me. >> >>Ashley >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>for nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Aug 9 23:12:05 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 19:12:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: <20110809225755.GV3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <20110809222958.GT3077@yumi.bluecherry.net><9F7FE103101749A68F16E6D8C85B4156@OwnerPC> <20110809225755.GV3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <9187C903CB0A4A42B75250D57C89CF4A@OwnerPC> You think products other than Stream have better electronic speech. What product? Is it as much as the Stream? What do you mean by innovate in their products? Perhaps you mean the Book sense, but I thought GW micro made that. How was it better? Clearer? The stream's voice is a lady but to me its like she has a horse voice. The eloquence synthesizwer on my computer is clear, thankfully. -----Original Message----- From: T. Joseph Carter Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 6:57 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices Human speech is far better than electronic, that’s for sure. But products other than the Stream have at least better electronic speech. I was quite impressed by the HIMS products' features and price point. They’re also a lot smaller than the Victor Stream, and they’re actually trying to innovate in their products. All bonuses! Joseph - kf7qzc On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 06:45:21PM -0400, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >Joeseph, >Well RFB had several psychology books for me and I remember the days of >listening to them at night in the library. I plan to be a student in the >future and RFB certainly has more than textbooks; so I belive they are of >benefit to non students too. >I would take four classes and 2 or three texts were generally on RFB audio. > >When I was a student, bookshare was more for leisure reading. But I hear >now they have more texts. >For those who like synthesized speech, you can always get an electronic >textbook or scan it yourself. But for me, hearing the human voice helps me >learn. >My VR stream has text to speech capability, but I can hardly understandthe >fuzzy speech! I am so thankful for RFB and NLS books. >I used NLS books for some novels in school including To Kill a Mocking >Bird, The Prince, and Death of a Salesman. >I would think if money is an issue that you could ask VR to pay for it. >They may say no, but its worth a try. >Also universities should have their own institutional membership to >Learning Ally. >So if you want their books using your school may be an option too. > >Ashley > >-----Original Message----- From: T. Joseph Carter >Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 6:29 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > >For me it’s a no-brainer. I did not renew my Bookshare account >despite being an avid Bookshare user because I do not have the money. > >The Organization Formerly Known As RFB&D wants twice as much, and >they just don’t have the library of books I need anymore. Were I >still a student, that might be different, but the whole time I was in >graduate school, they had I think two of my textbooks. I just can’t >justify the expense, no matter how awesome AnneMarie Cook is. > >Joseph - kf7qzc > > >On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 05:46:32PM -0400, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>Hi all, >>With budget cuts to many nonprofits, Learning Ally lost their federal >>funding. >>They are now charging individuals a large fee annually for membership; >>when I joined years ago, I paid $35, but >>its much more than $35 now! >>Have you heard the news? >>I received word today via my email from Learning Ally that effective >>September 1 >>individual memberships are $99. >>It said the following: >> a.. On September 1, 2011 Individual Memberships will be $99 per year -a >> little more than eight dollars a month. >> b.. For a limited time only, we are offering a special opportunity to >> renew your current membership for $79 (a savings of $20). Take advantage >> of this special membership offer, renew on/before August 31, 2011. >>So what do you think? Will you pay this fee? >>I know many of you may be tight on money; I hope your family can chip in >>or some group can sponsor you. Budgets are very tight. Personally, I >>enjoyed the free books. But I do understand the rationale to begin >>charging once again. They are a nonprofit after all. Other college >>students pay a lot for their texts. I think a membership to audible.com is >>more expensive than this. >>As for me, I plan to take more classes at community college even though I >>graduated in 2009 with a BA degree. I need to keep my writing and study >>skills active. I think I will renew my Learning Ally membership. They >>recorded several books for me during school; the staff at the studio is >>very friendly. Good thing I have a paying internship to help cover the >>cost. >>I knew this was coming when I heard Learning Ally was losing funding. I >>knew it months ago prior to their announcement today. >>Learning Ally has their flaws, but overall their books are helpful. I >>cannot study with a human reader at midnight, but I can pull out my >>Learning Ally book anytime and hear a human voice read to me. >> >>Ashley >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 23:16:02 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:16:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] =?iso-8859-1?q?=5Bnabs=5D_Fw=3A_Benefit_from_HumanWare?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=E2=80=99s_Back_to_School_Specials!?= Message-ID: <4e41bfe2.c24a340a.6b7f.18e1@mx.google.com> =20----=20Original=20Message=20------ From:=20"Dornetta"=20 References: <4e41bfe2.c24a340a.6b7f.18e1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <54AC0369A8F3494BACDC745C2BB924CF@OwnerPC> you already sent this. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 7:16 PM To: NABS list ; Nathan Clark ; Mrs. Otwell Subject: [nabs-l] [nabs] Fw: Benefit from HumanWare’s Back to School Specials! ---- Original Message ------ From: "Dornetta" References: , Message-ID: Can someone send me the original ruling post or link to the actual case? Thank you. PS. Discrimination in America still prevails regardless of anyone’s views. People are still denied fair treatment based upon looks, appearances, and other personal assumptions. I would not say that the blind are discriminated against and other groups are not. Take a look at what is happening politically. If the president was as powerful as the last one, there would be no tea party and obvious pushback from other groups. I do not like to discuss these controversial issues; however, America and Americans are not as united and educated as some may believe. We are trailing the world since our culture is still so judgmental and ignorant. > From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:32:55 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Bad news for blind and visually impaired people > > Steve, > > I understand this ruling does not mean a judge didn't feel we had a > right to the information. Laws are structured with many elements, and a > judge is following the law and not necessarily any personal agenda. > > My point, however, is that at the heart of this issue, regardless of > motive, blind people can not independently access these forms of > information, and our legal system just ruled saying this company does > not have to do anything to provide accessibility, therefore denying us > access to the information. > > Those who can visually see have no problem. If an airport check-in > kiosk was on the fritz, the airport would fix it promptly so it could be > used ASAP. They would not say, oh well, the kiosk broke so you > passengers have to go back to checking in the old-fashioned way. But > when we communicate the inaccessibility of such kiosk for visually > impaired people allowing us to check-in independently, just like > everyone else, not only does the company say no, the legal system > supports the no. So we are denied access to information those with > sight can access with no problem or assistance. By its basic > definition, this is creating inequality. > > It is not a matter of blaming the judge or claiming out-right > intentional discrimination; We have been denied something that is a > convenience, but a convenience others can easily access. I'm not > addressing any personal feelings the judge may have had, nor am I even > addressing the law; I'm stating that, whether legal or not, denying > access to one group of people is labeling that group as less equal than > others. It is a basic definition- look it up in a dictionary. Visually > impaired customers have been divided and separated from those with sight > and denied access to this information. It is not a heated statement > from the heart- it is the facts of this ruling when looking at the > definition of inequality. > > We shouldn't be ranting and raving, running around half-cocked jumping > to assumptions. However, I've yet to read anything on this list in > regards to this matter that would suggest we temper our responses and be > careful of how we present our questions and concerns. Another law in > this country is we can speak our minds with no fear of legal > ramifications. We have every right to question this ruling especially > if we don't understand the outcome. Most of us have a superficial > knowledge of the law, and very few of us understand the intricate > process of the law. When something seems unfair we have every right to > speak up. I don't believe any damage to the Federation or this case is > being done because of our desire to understand and question the ruling. > > And perhaps the law needs to change. There was a time when our legal > system supported segregation. It was once completely legal to deny > service to people of different races and ethnicities. Eventually this > became illegal. Perhaps this current ruling is an example of how we > need to change the law. Maybe it should be illegal to deny > accessibility just as it is now illegal to deny fair and equal treatment > to people of different races. > > Just because the law upheld this decision doesn't mean we should sit > back and accept it. It is not necessarily the judges fault if they were > simply following the law as it is currently established, but it is the > law that must be examined and shown to create inequality. > > This issue isn't even about technology and what it can offer. It is > about providing equal access to information. Forget for the moment what > laws may or may not support such a decision, in terms of civil rights > and the human condition, why should we not have equal independent access > to information ? Should not the law reflect such ideas of equality? > > For those of us who understand just how capable blind people are, and > who believe limits are a thing of the past, such a ruling highlights how > unfair our laws can be. If we have the same potential as the non-blind, > why don't we have access to life in an equal manner? Why do our laws > not support equal rulings? If one group can use something, than all > groups should be able to access it. > > I don't believe any inappropriate comments have been made threatening > this case or others like it, nor do I think we should accept this ruling > just because the law currently supports it. This is the point of the > Federation- to create equal opportunities, and fight for fair and equal > treatment in all facets of life. > > Sincerely, > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > > Message: 19 > Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 08:52:18 -0500 > From: "Steve Jacobson" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bad News for blind and visually impaired people > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > While it would have been far better to have had this decision go in our > favor, I think we have to be careful how we interpret decisions like > this. To my > knowledge, the decision did not go against us because a judge didn't > think we needed this information, but rather because of the way certain > laws > superceed others. That doesn't make life any better for us right now, > but it leaves the door open to taking other approaches. Often there is > more than one > path to take when filing a legal action and one tries to follow the path > with the highest likelihood of success, but there is always some risk. > There are times > when we have felt that to take court action had a greater chance of > doing dammage than helping and have not done so. While some of our > accessibility > feels to us that it is clearly a right, it isn't always so under the > law, and we are sometimes trying to squeeze the most we can out of the > fringe of the law. > Technology has changed dramatically what we feel we can reasonably > expect even during the past 30 years and the law takes time to catch up. > We'll > have to just continue figuring out how best to make our case. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com From alexandera.castillo at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 04:30:15 2011 From: alexandera.castillo at gmail.com (Alexander Castillo) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 00:30:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: NY Association of Blind Students In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Alexander Castillo Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 11:02:17 -0500 Subject: NY Association of Blind Students To: nabs-l Hello all, for those of you who will be attending school in New York this semester, the New York Association of Blind Students holds monthly conference calls on every second Wednesday of each month. So call in, meet some fellow students and get involved. Thanks and talk soon, Pres-NYABS HI all, Hope you all are enjoying the Summer. This message is to inform you about our next upcoming conference call for the Month of August. We will be using a different number this time, and there is no passcode. The call in number is: (347) 338-0592 This conference call will take place at 9:45 pm Eastern time on Wednesday, August 10, 2011. The agenda is as follows: 9:45- introductions and Check in 9:55- committee overview 10:05-Issues and concerns: Disclosure, student involvement, making the best of your time as a student. 10:25- Summary and check out Thanks so much for your time and look forward to all who can attend. NYABS Below is our call in info. From carlymih at earthlink.net Wed Aug 10 05:48:56 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 22:48:56 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Bad news for blind and visually impaired people In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110809224621.01d15498@earthlink.net> Hi, wmodnl, Aren't the subjects you expressed reluctance to talk about such as politics and our president, not significant layers of the human experience, present in everything? Aren't they meant to be aired? Car At 08:37 PM 8/9/2011, wmodnl wmodnl wrote: >Can someone send me the original ruling post or link to the actual >case? Thank you. >PS. Discrimination in America still prevails regardless of anyone's >views. People are still denied fair treatment based upon looks, >appearances, and other personal assumptions. I would not say that >the blind are discriminated against and other groups are not. Take >a look at what is happening politically. If the president was as >powerful as the last one, there would be no tea party and obvious >pushback from other groups. I do not like to discuss these >controversial issues; however, America and Americans are not as >united and educated as some may believe. We are trailing the world >since our culture is still so judgmental and ignorant. > > > > > From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com > > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:32:55 -0500 > > Subject: [nabs-l] Bad news for blind and visually impaired people > > > > Steve, > > > > I understand this ruling does not mean a judge didn't feel we had a > > right to the information. Laws are structured with many elements, and a > > judge is following the law and not necessarily any personal agenda. > > > > My point, however, is that at the heart of this issue, regardless of > > motive, blind people can not independently access these forms of > > information, and our legal system just ruled saying this company does > > not have to do anything to provide accessibility, therefore denying us > > access to the information. > > > > Those who can visually see have no problem. If an airport check-in > > kiosk was on the fritz, the airport would fix it promptly so it could be > > used ASAP. They would not say, oh well, the kiosk broke so you > > passengers have to go back to checking in the old-fashioned way. But > > when we communicate the inaccessibility of such kiosk for visually > > impaired people allowing us to check-in independently, just like > > everyone else, not only does the company say no, the legal system > > supports the no. So we are denied access to information those with > > sight can access with no problem or assistance. By its basic > > definition, this is creating inequality. > > > > It is not a matter of blaming the judge or claiming out-right > > intentional discrimination; We have been denied something that is a > > convenience, but a convenience others can easily access. I'm not > > addressing any personal feelings the judge may have had, nor am I even > > addressing the law; I'm stating that, whether legal or not, denying > > access to one group of people is labeling that group as less equal than > > others. It is a basic definition- look it up in a dictionary. Visually > > impaired customers have been divided and separated from those with sight > > and denied access to this information. It is not a heated statement > > from the heart- it is the facts of this ruling when looking at the > > definition of inequality. > > > > We shouldn't be ranting and raving, running around half-cocked jumping > > to assumptions. However, I've yet to read anything on this list in > > regards to this matter that would suggest we temper our responses and be > > careful of how we present our questions and concerns. Another law in > > this country is we can speak our minds with no fear of legal > > ramifications. We have every right to question this ruling especially > > if we don't understand the outcome. Most of us have a superficial > > knowledge of the law, and very few of us understand the intricate > > process of the law. When something seems unfair we have every right to > > speak up. I don't believe any damage to the Federation or this case is > > being done because of our desire to understand and question the ruling. > > > > And perhaps the law needs to change. There was a time when our legal > > system supported segregation. It was once completely legal to deny > > service to people of different races and ethnicities. Eventually this > > became illegal. Perhaps this current ruling is an example of how we > > need to change the law. Maybe it should be illegal to deny > > accessibility just as it is now illegal to deny fair and equal treatment > > to people of different races. > > > > Just because the law upheld this decision doesn't mean we should sit > > back and accept it. It is not necessarily the judges fault if they were > > simply following the law as it is currently established, but it is the > > law that must be examined and shown to create inequality. > > > > This issue isn't even about technology and what it can offer. It is > > about providing equal access to information. Forget for the moment what > > laws may or may not support such a decision, in terms of civil rights > > and the human condition, why should we not have equal independent access > > to information ? Should not the law reflect such ideas of equality? > > > > For those of us who understand just how capable blind people are, and > > who believe limits are a thing of the past, such a ruling highlights how > > unfair our laws can be. If we have the same potential as the non-blind, > > why don't we have access to life in an equal manner? Why do our laws > > not support equal rulings? If one group can use something, than all > > groups should be able to access it. > > > > I don't believe any inappropriate comments have been made threatening > > this case or others like it, nor do I think we should accept this ruling > > just because the law currently supports it. This is the point of the > > Federation- to create equal opportunities, and fight for fair and equal > > treatment in all facets of life. > > > > Sincerely, > > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at > > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > > > > Message: 19 > > Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 08:52:18 -0500 > > From: "Steve Jacobson" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bad News for blind and visually impaired people > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > While it would have been far better to have had this decision go in our > > favor, I think we have to be careful how we interpret decisions like > > this. To my > > knowledge, the decision did not go against us because a judge didn't > > think we needed this information, but rather because of the way certain > > laws > > superceed others. That doesn't make life any better for us right now, > > but it leaves the door open to taking other approaches. Often there is > > more than one > > path to take when filing a legal action and one tries to follow the path > > with the highest likelihood of success, but there is always some risk. > > There are times > > when we have felt that to take court action had a greater chance of > > doing dammage than helping and have not done so. While some of our > > accessibility > > feels to us that it is clearly a right, it isn't always so under the > > law, and we are sometimes trying to squeeze the most we can out of the > > fringe of the law. > > Technology has changed dramatically what we feel we can reasonably > > expect even during the past 30 years and the law takes time to catch up. > > We'll > > have to just continue figuring out how best to make our case. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 06:03:08 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 23:03:08 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: <9187C903CB0A4A42B75250D57C89CF4A@OwnerPC> References: <20110809222958.GT3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> <9F7FE103101749A68F16E6D8C85B4156@OwnerPC> <20110809225755.GV3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> <9187C903CB0A4A42B75250D57C89CF4A@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <20110810060304.GX3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> You can substitute the VR Stream voice for a male voice that isn’t perfect, but is much better. Joseph - kf7qzc On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 07:12:05PM -0400, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >You think products other than Stream have better electronic speech. >What product? Is it as much as the Stream? >What do you mean by innovate in their products? >Perhaps you mean the Book sense, but I thought GW micro made that. >How was it better? Clearer? The stream's voice is a lady but to me >its like she has a horse voice. The eloquence synthesizwer on my >computer is clear, thankfully. > > >-----Original Message----- From: T. Joseph Carter >Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 6:57 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > >Human speech is far better than electronic, that’s for sure. But >products other than the Stream have at least better electronic >speech. I was quite impressed by the HIMS products' features and >price point. They’re also a lot smaller than the Victor Stream, and >they’re actually trying to innovate in their products. All bonuses! > >Joseph - kf7qzc > > >On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 06:45:21PM -0400, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>Joeseph, >>Well RFB had several psychology books for me and I remember the days of >>listening to them at night in the library. I plan to be a student >>in the future and RFB certainly has more than textbooks; so I >>belive they are of benefit to non students too. >>I would take four classes and 2 or three texts were generally on RFB audio. >> >>When I was a student, bookshare was more for leisure reading. But I >>hear now they have more texts. >>For those who like synthesized speech, you can always get an >>electronic textbook or scan it yourself. But for me, hearing the >>human voice helps me learn. >>My VR stream has text to speech capability, but I can hardly >>understandthe fuzzy speech! I am so thankful for RFB and NLS books. >>I used NLS books for some novels in school including To Kill a >>Mocking Bird, The Prince, and Death of a Salesman. >>I would think if money is an issue that you could ask VR to pay for >>it. They may say no, but its worth a try. >>Also universities should have their own institutional membership to >>Learning Ally. >>So if you want their books using your school may be an option too. >> >>Ashley >> >>-----Original Message----- From: T. Joseph Carter >>Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 6:29 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >>For me it’s a no-brainer. I did not renew my Bookshare account >>despite being an avid Bookshare user because I do not have the money. >> >>The Organization Formerly Known As RFB&D wants twice as much, and >>they just don’t have the library of books I need anymore. Were I >>still a student, that might be different, but the whole time I was in >>graduate school, they had I think two of my textbooks. I just can’t >>justify the expense, no matter how awesome AnneMarie Cook is. >> >>Joseph - kf7qzc >> >> >>On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 05:46:32PM -0400, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>>Hi all, >>>With budget cuts to many nonprofits, Learning Ally lost their >>>federal funding. >>>They are now charging individuals a large fee annually for >>>membership; when I joined years ago, I paid $35, but >>>its much more than $35 now! >>>Have you heard the news? >>>I received word today via my email from Learning Ally that >>>effective September 1 >>>individual memberships are $99. >>>It said the following: >>>a.. On September 1, 2011 Individual Memberships will be $99 per >>>year -a little more than eight dollars a month. >>>b.. For a limited time only, we are offering a special >>>opportunity to renew your current membership for $79 (a savings >>>of $20). Take advantage of this special membership offer, renew >>>on/before August 31, 2011. >>>So what do you think? Will you pay this fee? >>>I know many of you may be tight on money; I hope your family can >>>chip in or some group can sponsor you. Budgets are very tight. >>>Personally, I enjoyed the free books. But I do understand the >>>rationale to begin charging once again. They are a nonprofit >>>after all. Other college students pay a lot for their texts. I >>>think a membership to audible.com is more expensive than this. >>>As for me, I plan to take more classes at community college even >>>though I graduated in 2009 with a BA degree. I need to keep my >>>writing and study skills active. I think I will renew my Learning >>>Ally membership. They recorded several books for me during >>>school; the staff at the studio is very friendly. Good thing I >>>have a paying internship to help cover the cost. >>>I knew this was coming when I heard Learning Ally was losing >>>funding. I knew it months ago prior to their announcement today. >>>Learning Ally has their flaws, but overall their books are >>>helpful. I cannot study with a human reader at midnight, but I >>>can pull out my Learning Ally book anytime and hear a human voice >>>read to me. >>> >>>Ashley >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>for nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>for nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>for nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 15:00:13 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 11:00:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: <20110810060304.GX3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> References: <20110809222958.GT3077@yumi.bluecherry.net><9F7FE103101749A68F16E6D8C85B4156@OwnerPC><20110809225755.GV3077@yumi.bluecherry.net><9187C903CB0A4A42B75250D57C89CF4A@OwnerPC> <20110810060304.GX3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been grandfathered in since the beginning of time? At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. Marsha __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6364 (20110809) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 15:09:06 2011 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 11:09:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: References: <20110809222958.GT3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> <9F7FE103101749A68F16E6D8C85B4156@OwnerPC> <20110809225755.GV3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> <9187C903CB0A4A42B75250D57C89CF4A@OwnerPC> <20110810060304.GX3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: I'll throw my two cents in. Personally, I will be renewing my membership because so far I've been able to get almost all of my books from Learning Ally. For example, this semester, I will be able to get 4 of the 5 books that I need from Learning Ally. One of those books costs $120, so there's savings just for one of the books, and I know one of the other books costs over $100 as well. So, the $100 fee for Learning Ally is worth it in my mind because it is just like having a reader whenever I need one. My school will scan and proofread books for me, but they won't describe graphics and tables like Learning Ally readers do. Neither will Bookshare. With Learning Aly, I don't feel I'm missing important information such as graphs and yes, some pictures are important too. My thoughts, Jewel On 8/10/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around > convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use > the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been > grandfathered in since the beginning of time? > > At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use > BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I > can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. > > Marsha > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6364 (20110809) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 17:24:58 2011 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 13:24:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: References: <20110809222958.GT3077@yumi.bluecherry.net><9F7FE103101749A68F16E6D8C85B4156@OwnerPC><20110809225755.GV3077@yumi.bluecherry.net><9187C903CB0A4A42B75250D57C89CF4A@OwnerPC><20110810060304.GX3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <1151F75E02484DF9B2AF7BB1B89B5D5F@AnjelinaPC> I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt from paying the annual fee. -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been grandfathered in since the beginning of time? At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. Marsha __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6364 (20110809) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com Anjelina From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Wed Aug 10 17:30:11 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:30:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally prices In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I thought they had always charged $99 per year . When I went back to university four years ago, this was the cost, and I was told my state agency didn't feel it was necessary to buy what was then RFBD membership. Fortunately, my university's DSO has a membership so anytime a book was available with RFBD, my DSO just ordered it. My husband and I considered buying our own membership though, and it was going to cost $99 per year, and an additional charge per month, I think, or something like that. If you use Learning Ally regularly, $99 for an entire year is not that much. And even nonprofits need to make money, and if business is not what it once was, from a business perspective it makes sense to charge more. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Hi all, With budget cuts to many nonprofits, Learning Ally lost their federal funding. They are now charging individuals a large fee annually for membership; when I joined years ago, I paid $35, but its much more than $35 now! Have you heard the news? I received word today via my email from Learning Ally that effective September 1 individual memberships are $99. It said the following: a.. On September 1, 2011 Individual Memberships will be $99 per year -a little more than eight dollars a month. b.. For a limited time only, we are offering a special opportunity to renew your current membership for $79 (a savings of $20). Take advantage of this special membership offer, renew on/before August 31, 2011. So what do you think? Will you pay this fee? I know many of you may be tight on money; I hope your family can chip in or some group can sponsor you. Budgets are very tight. Personally, I enjoyed the free books. But I do understand the rationale to begin charging once again. They are a nonprofit after all. Other college students pay a lot for their texts. I think a membership to audible.com is more expensive than this. As for me, I plan to take more classes at community college even though I graduated in 2009 with a BA degree. I need to keep my writing and study skills active. I think I will renew my Learning Ally membership. They recorded several books for me during school; the staff at the studio is very friendly. Good thing I have a paying internship to help cover the cost. I knew this was coming when I heard Learning Ally was losing funding. I knew it months ago prior to their announcement today. Learning Ally has their flaws, but overall their books are helpful. I cannot study with a human reader at midnight, but I can pull out my Learning Ally book anytime and hear a human voice read to me. Ashley From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Wed Aug 10 17:49:20 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:49:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally prices In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think another reason so many of us prefer Audible or BLIO or NLS is the narration. RFBD, or Learning Ally, has the worse narration. In four years of university, whenever I used these books, the narrator was ridiculous. Words were mispronounced, stuttering and mistakes were not edited out, often voices were monotone or not conducive to being recorded, and let's not forget the jump from section-to-section, or even sentence-to-sentence, of narrators. I know they use volunteers to read the books, but even with volunteers, you can still be professional. I preferred to use electronic versions of material than RFBD, sorry, Learning Ally. If the textbook was a reasonable price, I'd buy it and scan it instead of using Learning Ally since I found most the narrators more annoying than the electronic drone of JAWS. And I've never, ever read these books for leisure because of these reasons. By the way, some of you mentioned you use NLS books for school, how do you cite in-text citations since page numbers are not listed? Because of my degree, a majority of my reading was literature books- many out of print. My DSO usually had to scan print copies, and Listening to literature books with JAWS can be annoying, though I adjusted to it, but if I found any on NLS or BARD, I used that format to read, but referred to my scanned copies so I could access page numbers when necessary for papers or discussions. How did others who used NLS and BARD books handle this? FYI, I'm officially now an university graduate! Yeah! And I technically did it before 30 since I don't turn 30 until August 22! Yippy-skippy! Now onto grad school, ug! Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Hello Joseph and everyone, I get more benefit from Bookshare.org over Learning Allie any day. These days if I can't find it on bookshare I'll buy it from Blio. How sad. Peter Donahue From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Wed Aug 10 18:48:13 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 13:48:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bad news for blind and visually impaired people In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh certainly - discrimination exist no doubt. Race, religion, ethnicity, disability, gender, sexual orientation- the list goes on-and-on. People continue to be ignorant, and discriminate on a daily basis. It is rampant and prevalent, and I don't believe this is a controversial issue especially since those of us on this list understand discrimination because we're blind. My point was that once the law supported discriminatory ideas like segregation. It was legal to deny people of different racial and ethnic backgrounds rights like education, service at restaurants, sitting on the bus, employment- and so much more. Eventually the law changed so it has become more difficult for the law to support this kind of behavior. The behavior still exist, but many laws now exist that no longer uphold this type of behavior. If a person who is black walks into a store and they are followed by an employee, or they're point-blank told to leave, that person can file a lawsuit against the store, but in 1950, the store had every right to kick people out of their store just for the color of their skin. This was my point. Hopefully, it will one day be illegal to create a website or device without accessibility in mind. Although, I do admit, the law can always reflect an agenda- it depends on how you go about it. Many of our laws still support discriminatory behavior like denying marriage to gays, approving citizenship in a timely manner and of course, providing independent ways to access information for people with disabilities. The list is much longer. I will be controversial and agree that too many Americans are judgmental, intolerant, prejudice and plain ignorant. Even in my own family it prevails. My grandpa who still calls black people darkies, or my parents who not only believe homosexuality is a "sin," but who think you become gay by the influence of others- like it can rub off on you, or my aunt who believes poor people are not capable of true intelligence. I've heard comments from people I know and strangers that was pure prejudice and intolerance- it is disgusting. Despite personal feelings or religious beliefs, human beings all deserve respect and kindness. The same God created us all, and I don't think this god enjoys to see any of his creation hurt, which by the way includes the planet, but that's an entire discussion for another day. For some reason, humans have decided different means not equal. Regardless of the law, people still exhibit prejudice and discrimination. This, sadly, will probably never change, but we can push to change laws so at least in legal terms, we can fight discrimination. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 23:37:43 -0400 From: wmodnl wmodnl To: Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bad news for blind and visually impaired people Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Can someone send me the original ruling post or link to the actual case? Thank you. PS. Discrimination in America still prevails regardless of anyone?s views. People are still denied fair treatment based upon looks, appearances, and other personal assumptions. I would not say that the blind are discriminated against and other groups are not. Take a look at what is happening politically. If the president was as powerful as the last one, there would be no tea party and obvious pushback from other groups. I do not like to discuss these controversial issues; however, America and Americans are not as united and educated as some may believe. We are trailing the world since our culture is still so judgmental and ignorant. From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 19:31:13 2011 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:31:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: <1151F75E02484DF9B2AF7BB1B89B5D5F@AnjelinaPC> Message-ID: <4e42dca2.87b9340a.583c.384d@mx.google.com> I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt from paying the annual fee. -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been grandfathered in since the beginning of time? At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. Marsha __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6364 (20110809) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. com Anjelina _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai l.com From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 20:40:07 2011 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:40:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] resources for college textbooks In-Reply-To: References: <4e414e05.c24a340a.0aec.0176@mx.google.com> <4E416049.1030904@gtwebdesign.us> Message-ID: Thanks everyone for your suggestions. I'll try some things out and let you know what worked for me. Patrick On 8/9/11, Hope Paulos wrote: > Learning ally formerly reading for the blind and dyslexic is also a good > resource but the books are audio. > > Sent from my iPod > > On Aug 9, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Icewolf wrote: > >> another good source for college texts in an ebook format is: >> www.coursesmart.com >> Hope this helps, >> Greg W. >> >> Yesterday is forever gone, tomorrow may never come, today is the day of >> all days. >> >> >> On 8/9/2011 11:10 AM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> You could also try WebBraille from NLS. To sign up for BARD or >>> WebBraille, call your state LBPH (Library for the Blind and Physically >>> Handicapped.) I believe you live in Maryland, if I have the right person. >>> If so, you can call the MDLBPH at 1-800-964-9209. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Carly Mihalakis >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 11:04:36 -0700 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] resources for college textbooks >>> >>> >>> Good morning, Patrick, >>> >>> Have you heard of BARD through NLS? Do you have a Victor >>> Stream or some other digital book player like a booksense or some >>> other player which, I think is a must, what with the fazing out of >>> traditional cassettes as well as the easy way of navigating recorded >>> texts for purposes of schoolwork? >>> Good luck and keep us posted. >>> for today, >>> Car/2011, you wrote: >>> Hi everyone: >>> I'm about to start my freshman year at Muhlenberg College and am >>> trying to find electronic copies of textbooks and running into >>> difficulty. If books are not on bookshare, what do you all recommend? >>> Is it worth my while to try contacting publishers for electronic >>> copies? >>> Thanks, >>> Patrick Molloy >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih% >>> 40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/icewolf2011%40gtwebdesign.us >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 21:03:21 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 14:03:21 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Bad news for blind and visually impaired people In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110810210320.GF3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> I think I would personally caution against adopting the notion that discrimination abounds everywhere we go. It’s perhaps more than a little impolitic to say so (as if that’s ever stopped me before), but far too many members of minority groups seem to engage in what one of my college professors referred to as the Oppression Olympics. They see slights and injustices every day—discrimination and injustice abound! Some members of these minority groups tell me that they thought this way themselves, and then they became blind. Then, they tell me, they learned what discrimination truly was! And off they went, no longer oppressed because of their skin color, sexual orientation, language, or ethnic background—but instead everything is now about being blind! No objective metric can be applied to determine if the disabled face more discrimination today than other minorities, though intuitively I suspect they do, and I’ve good reasons for believing it is probably the case, if for no other reason than that the inherent injustice of discrimination against a person on the basis of skin color or sexual orientation is part of the general social consciousness. I have not observed the same of disability! Even so, what conclusions can we draw from this, really? Despite what I see as an obvious sign of a victim mentality among many in minority communities, I know for a fact that discrimination against those minorities does exist. Probably it is less prevalent than they believe—there are those who claim that any and every Caucasian in America is racist by definition, for example. The hypocrisy on the very face of such a claim demonstrates the problem quite adequately, I think. Yet, my sister’s father is openly and defiantly racist enough that I wouldn’t be surprised if he owns a white robe and hood. (Don’t ask me what my mother ever saw in this man, I don’t know.) Is it really different for us, though? Do we have people out to slight us every where we go? Are we perpetual victims? We certainly are subject to discrimination. I think any one of us can name very clear, overt, and obvious instances of it. But every day? From most everyone we meet? Probably not. I guess what I’m saying is that there is real danger in adopting a victim mentality. For one thing, people learn to tune it out. It’s like the boy who cried wolf, as it were. The general public doesn’t see it even when it is there often times, so if we want their attention we must be careful that we don’t distract them with vague offenses and imagined slights. Odds are some of us tend to jump at shadows a little too often. I know I’m guilty of that myself, hence the recent discussion about the no-cook meals seminar offered by Hadley. To me, that announcement seemed like something problematic, and so I had to ask others if they saw likewise. They didn’t, which served as an important reality check for me, cynical and all too ready to assume the worst as I am. Anyway, those are my thoughts, if you can make sense of them. Joseph - kf7qzc On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 01:48:13PM -0500, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote: >Oh certainly - discrimination exist no doubt. Race, religion, >ethnicity, disability, gender, sexual orientation- the list goes >on-and-on. People continue to be ignorant, and discriminate on a daily >basis. It is rampant and prevalent, and I don't believe this is a >controversial issue especially since those of us on this list >understand discrimination because we're blind. > >My point was that once the law supported discriminatory ideas like >segregation. It was legal to deny people of different racial and ethnic >backgrounds rights like education, service at restaurants, sitting on >the bus, employment- and so much more. Eventually the law changed so it >has become more difficult for the law to support this kind of behavior. >The behavior still exist, but many laws now exist that no longer uphold >this type of behavior. > >If a person who is black walks into a store and they are followed by an >employee, or they're point-blank told to leave, that person can file a >lawsuit against the store, but in 1950, the store had every right to >kick people out of their store just for the color of their skin. This >was my point. Hopefully, it will one day be illegal to create a website >or device without accessibility in mind. > >Although, I do admit, the law can always reflect an agenda- it depends >on how you go about it. > >Many of our laws still support discriminatory behavior like denying >marriage to gays, approving citizenship in a timely manner and of >course, providing independent ways to access information for people with >disabilities. The list is much longer. > >I will be controversial and agree that too many Americans are >judgmental, intolerant, prejudice and plain ignorant. Even in my own >family it prevails. My grandpa who still calls black people darkies, or >my parents who not only believe homosexuality is a "sin," but who think >you become gay by the influence of others- like it can rub off on you, >or my aunt who believes poor people are not capable of true >intelligence. I've heard comments from people I know and strangers that >was pure prejudice and intolerance- it is disgusting. Despite personal >feelings or religious beliefs, human beings all deserve respect and >kindness. The same God created us all, and I don't think this god >enjoys to see any of his creation hurt, which by the way includes the >planet, but that's an entire discussion for another day. For some >reason, humans have decided different means not equal. > >Regardless of the law, people still exhibit prejudice and >discrimination. This, sadly, will probably never change, but we can >push to change laws so at least in legal terms, we can fight >discrimination. > >Sincerely, >Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter >Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at >http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > > >Message: 12 >Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 23:37:43 -0400 >From: wmodnl wmodnl >To: >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bad news for blind and visually impaired people >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > >Can someone send me the original ruling post or link to the actual case? >Thank you. >PS. Discrimination in America still prevails regardless of anyone?s >views. People are still denied fair treatment based upon looks, >appearances, and other personal assumptions. I would not say that the >blind are discriminated against and other groups are not. Take a look >at what is happening politically. If the president was as powerful as >the last one, there would be no tea party and obvious pushback from >other groups. I do not like to discuss these controversial issues; >however, America and Americans are not as united and educated as some >may believe. We are trailing the world since our culture is still so >judgmental and ignorant. > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 21:26:06 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:26:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: <4e42dca2.87b9340a.583c.384d@mx.google.com> References: <1151F75E02484DF9B2AF7BB1B89B5D5F@AnjelinaPC> <4e42dca2.87b9340a.583c.384d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I have the life time fee things to but I called about it and they told me that if you have the life time fee it will be stopped at the end of the month and you will have to pay anyhow. Can anyone else conferm this? thanks On 8/10/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: > I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Anjelina > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt from > paying the annual fee. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marsha Drenth > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around > convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use > the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been > grandfathered in since the beginning of time? > > At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use > BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I > can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. > > Marsha > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6364 (20110809) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. > com > > > Anjelina > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Aug 10 21:34:36 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:34:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: <4e42dca2.87b9340a.583c.384d@mx.google.com> References: <4e42dca2.87b9340a.583c.384d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Rania, Good for you. But I was not able to join in 1993; you need to be 18 to join. So I'm stuck with paying the fee to continue belonging. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Rania Ismail CMT Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 3:31 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt from paying the annual fee. -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been grandfathered in since the beginning of time? At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. Marsha __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6364 (20110809) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. com Anjelina _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Aug 10 21:40:36 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:40:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally prices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <347E5182B8D94CE3A3C8A5B4F89DFB8E@OwnerPC> Brigit, No when I paid three years ago, before the Education grant, I paid $35. However, I agree the $99 isn't too bad; it’s a whole year after all and with so many books for school and learning, you get your money's worth. Nonprofits need to make money for sure. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Bridgit Pollpeter Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:30 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally prices I thought they had always charged $99 per year . When I went back to university four years ago, this was the cost, and I was told my state agency didn't feel it was necessary to buy what was then RFBD membership. Fortunately, my university's DSO has a membership so anytime a book was available with RFBD, my DSO just ordered it. My husband and I considered buying our own membership though, and it was going to cost $99 per year, and an additional charge per month, I think, or something like that. If you use Learning Ally regularly, $99 for an entire year is not that much. And even nonprofits need to make money, and if business is not what it once was, from a business perspective it makes sense to charge more. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Hi all, With budget cuts to many nonprofits, Learning Ally lost their federal funding. They are now charging individuals a large fee annually for membership; when I joined years ago, I paid $35, but its much more than $35 now! Have you heard the news? I received word today via my email from Learning Ally that effective September 1 individual memberships are $99. It said the following: a.. On September 1, 2011 Individual Memberships will be $99 per year -a little more than eight dollars a month. b.. For a limited time only, we are offering a special opportunity to renew your current membership for $79 (a savings of $20). Take advantage of this special membership offer, renew on/before August 31, 2011. So what do you think? Will you pay this fee? I know many of you may be tight on money; I hope your family can chip in or some group can sponsor you. Budgets are very tight. Personally, I enjoyed the free books. But I do understand the rationale to begin charging once again. They are a nonprofit after all. Other college students pay a lot for their texts. I think a membership to audible.com is more expensive than this. As for me, I plan to take more classes at community college even though I graduated in 2009 with a BA degree. I need to keep my writing and study skills active. I think I will renew my Learning Ally membership. They recorded several books for me during school; the staff at the studio is very friendly. Good thing I have a paying internship to help cover the cost. I knew this was coming when I heard Learning Ally was losing funding. I knew it months ago prior to their announcement today. Learning Ally has their flaws, but overall their books are helpful. I cannot study with a human reader at midnight, but I can pull out my Learning Ally book anytime and hear a human voice read to me. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Wed Aug 10 21:43:34 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:43:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices References: <4e42dca2.87b9340a.583c.384d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <005b01cc57a6$8e703e10$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Good afternoon everyone, Out of respect to those who currently have life time memberships it needs to stay that way!Given this horsepuckey, the increased availability of electronic books, and some of the other comments made here I fear they're on their way to the fossil pit. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rania Ismail CMT" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt from paying the annual fee. -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been grandfathered in since the beginning of time? At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. Marsha __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6364 (20110809) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. com Anjelina _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Aug 10 21:44:51 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:44:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: References: <20110809222958.GT3077@yumi.bluecherry.net><9F7FE103101749A68F16E6D8C85B4156@OwnerPC><20110809225755.GV3077@yumi.bluecherry.net><9187C903CB0A4A42B75250D57C89CF4A@OwnerPC><20110810060304.GX3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <9E0CBD163A484918B1F066CB18677F44@OwnerPC> Jewel, I agree; the descriptions are helpful and its like having a reader when you need it. RFB will also record books for you if you need them and give them enough time. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Jewel Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:09 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I'll throw my two cents in. Personally, I will be renewing my membership because so far I've been able to get almost all of my books from Learning Ally. For example, this semester, I will be able to get 4 of the 5 books that I need from Learning Ally. One of those books costs $120, so there's savings just for one of the books, and I know one of the other books costs over $100 as well. So, the $100 fee for Learning Ally is worth it in my mind because it is just like having a reader whenever I need one. My school will scan and proofread books for me, but they won't describe graphics and tables like Learning Ally readers do. Neither will Bookshare. With Learning Aly, I don't feel I'm missing important information such as graphs and yes, some pictures are important too. My thoughts, Jewel On 8/10/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around > convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use > the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been > grandfathered in since the beginning of time? > > At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use > BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I > can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. > > Marsha > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 6364 (20110809) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Aug 10 21:46:25 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:46:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: References: <20110809222958.GT3077@yumi.bluecherry.net><9F7FE103101749A68F16E6D8C85B4156@OwnerPC><20110809225755.GV3077@yumi.bluecherry.net><9187C903CB0A4A42B75250D57C89CF4A@OwnerPC><20110810060304.GX3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <20ADCE1BD856448A9582EA8726097CF9@OwnerPC> Marsha, Another person who can not understand the stream speech. Ah I am not alone then! Actually I can understand most of it, but its hard to understand and I have to hear it slowly to understand it. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been grandfathered in since the beginning of time? At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. Marsha __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6364 (20110809) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Aug 10 21:59:53 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:59:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: References: <1151F75E02484DF9B2AF7BB1B89B5D5F@AnjelinaPC><4e42dca2.87b9340a.583c.384d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Lee, If Learning Ally told you that, then I'm sure its true. Too bad. Maybe to confirm you could speak to a supervisor. But the email I got said nothing about grandfathering in members. So I believe all pay. But again, talk to Learning Ally management. If this is ture, how sad they are not honoring lifetime members anymore. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Lea williams Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I have the life time fee things to but I called about it and they told me that if you have the life time fee it will be stopped at the end of the month and you will have to pay anyhow. Can anyone else conferm this? thanks On 8/10/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: > I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Anjelina > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt > from > paying the annual fee. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marsha Drenth > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around > convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use > the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been > grandfathered in since the beginning of time? > > At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use > BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I > can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. > > Marsha > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature > database 6364 (20110809) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. > com > > > Anjelina > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Aug 10 22:01:50 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:01:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: <005b01cc57a6$8e703e10$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <4e42dca2.87b9340a.583c.384d@mx.google.com> <005b01cc57a6$8e703e10$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <75B027AC4BF642C2A222DEBDB6A16633@OwnerPC> Peter, I agree and tell Learning Ally that. If people can get books other ways, they will and Learning Ally is going to lose many members if they fail to honor life time members. Again, if you all feel they should honor it, tell them; write letters to their board. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Peter Donahue Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:43 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices Good afternoon everyone, Out of respect to those who currently have life time memberships it needs to stay that way!Given this horsepuckey, the increased availability of electronic books, and some of the other comments made here I fear they're on their way to the fossil pit. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rania Ismail CMT" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt from paying the annual fee. -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been grandfathered in since the beginning of time? At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. Marsha __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6364 (20110809) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. com Anjelina _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From hope.paulos at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 22:39:49 2011 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 18:39:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: References: <1151F75E02484DF9B2AF7BB1B89B5D5F@AnjelinaPC> <4e42dca2.87b9340a.583c.384d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Talk to Cathy Web. If you joined during or befor 1996 you are grandfathered. Hope Paulos Sent from my iPod On Aug 10, 2011, at 5:59 PM, wrote: > Lee, > If Learning Ally told you that, then I'm sure its true. Too bad. Maybe to confirm you could speak to a supervisor. But the email I got said nothing about grandfathering in members. So I believe all pay. > But again, talk to Learning Ally management. If this is ture, how sad they are not honoring lifetime members anymore. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Lea williams > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > I have the life time fee things to but I called about it and they told > me that if you have the life time fee it will be stopped at the end of > the month and you will have to pay anyhow. Can anyone else conferm > this? > thanks > > On 8/10/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >> I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> Of Anjelina >> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt from >> paying the annual fee. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Marsha Drenth >> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >> convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use >> the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >> grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >> >> At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use >> BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >> can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. >> >> Marsha >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >> database 6364 (20110809) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >> com >> >> >> Anjelina >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >> l.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 01:07:36 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:07:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: References: <4e42dca2.87b9340a.583c.384d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I was grandfathered in at 93 or 92. I wasn't 18. I won't say how old I was then and am now but I surely wasn't 18 then. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:35 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices Rania, Good for you. But I was not able to join in 1993; you need to be 18 to join. So I'm stuck with paying the fee to continue belonging. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Rania Ismail CMT Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 3:31 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt from paying the annual fee. -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been grandfathered in since the beginning of time? At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. Marsha __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6364 (20110809) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. com Anjelina _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl ink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmai l.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6367 (20110810) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6367 (20110810) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 01:12:57 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:12:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: <005b01cc57a6$8e703e10$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <4e42dca2.87b9340a.583c.384d@mx.google.com> <005b01cc57a6$8e703e10$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <01239E9BC480493A9C54748A01BF395E@Cptr233> As someone who needs Learning allie, I sure hope they do not go away. Yes they don't have the best readers, and some times the recordings are horrible. But I rely on these books for school. But even more that, using Bookshare books and reading them on my stream is impossible for me. I can't understand the text to speech voice. Yes there are other ways of reading BookShare books, but if you need to find words, sentences, or what not in an 1200 page Braille document. Its going to take a while. And I am by no means saying that I am not a good Braille reader, cuz I am. Just my two cents, Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:44 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices Good afternoon everyone, Out of respect to those who currently have life time memberships it needs to stay that way!Given this horsepuckey, the increased availability of electronic books, and some of the other comments made here I fear they're on their way to the fossil pit. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rania Ismail CMT" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt from paying the annual fee. -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been grandfathered in since the beginning of time? At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. Marsha __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6364 (20110809) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. com Anjelina _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmai l.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6367 (20110810) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6367 (20110810) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 01:19:32 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:19:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: <20ADCE1BD856448A9582EA8726097CF9@OwnerPC> References: <20110809222958.GT3077@yumi.bluecherry.net><9F7FE103101749A68F16E6D8C85B4156@OwnerPC><20110809225755.GV3077@yumi.bluecherry.net><9187C903CB0A4A42B75250D57C89CF4A@OwnerPC><20110810060304.GX3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> <20ADCE1BD856448A9582EA8726097CF9@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I have a hearing impairment, even just listening to the stream reading pleasure reading books these days is harder to hear than it use to be. Well glad I am not the only one. marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices Marsha, Another person who can not understand the stream speech. Ah I am not alone then! Actually I can understand most of it, but its hard to understand and I have to hear it slowly to understand it. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been grandfathered in since the beginning of time? At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. Marsha __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6364 (20110809) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl ink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmai l.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6367 (20110810) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6367 (20110810) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 01:25:49 2011 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:25:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: <01239E9BC480493A9C54748A01BF395E@Cptr233> References: <4e42dca2.87b9340a.583c.384d@mx.google.com> <005b01cc57a6$8e703e10$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <01239E9BC480493A9C54748A01BF395E@Cptr233> Message-ID: I will be using Learning Ally books this semester as my primary medium for texts. I've browsed the books so far and was pleasantly surprise with the batch of readers. Whether we rely on audio or access books through Bookshare, the fact that we have a grab bag of options it an asset to any student. Happy reading Anjelina Sent from my iPhone On Aug 10, 2011, at 9:12 PM, "Marsha Drenth" wrote: > As someone who needs Learning allie, I sure hope they do not go away. Yes > they don't have the best readers, and some times the recordings are > horrible. But I rely on these books for school. But even more that, using > Bookshare books and reading them on my stream is impossible for me. I can't > understand the text to speech voice. Yes there are other ways of reading > BookShare books, but if you need to find words, sentences, or what not in an > 1200 page Braille document. Its going to take a while. And I am by no means > saying that I am not a good Braille reader, cuz I am. > > Just my two cents, > Marsha > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Peter Donahue > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:44 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > Good afternoon everyone, > > Out of respect to those who currently have life time memberships it needs to > > stay that way!Given this horsepuckey, the increased availability of > electronic books, and some of the other comments made here I fear they're on > > their way to the fossil pit. > > Peter Donahue > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rania Ismail CMT" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:31 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > > I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Anjelina > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt from > paying the annual fee. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marsha Drenth > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around > convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use > the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been > grandfathered in since the beginning of time? > > At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use > BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I > can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. > > Marsha > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6364 (20110809) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. > com > > > Anjelina > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. > com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmai > l.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6367 (20110810) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6367 (20110810) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Aug 11 01:29:11 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:29:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: <01239E9BC480493A9C54748A01BF395E@Cptr233> References: <4e42dca2.87b9340a.583c.384d@mx.google.com><005b01cc57a6$8e703e10$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <01239E9BC480493A9C54748A01BF395E@Cptr233> Message-ID: Marsha, Why can't you understand the stream voice? I can do most of it, but its so hard to process that weird speech, it is not much use to me. I take it that you are not a member of bookshare then. No, learning Ally will not go away. Maybe most blind people will not use them. But Learning Ally is expanding their focus to other learning disabilities. That is partly why they changed names. They are not going away; just the opposite. Membership is increasing. Just talk to an Learning Ally rep. They have expanded to the I Phone and many other technology. They are definitely growing. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 9:12 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices As someone who needs Learning allie, I sure hope they do not go away. Yes they don't have the best readers, and some times the recordings are horrible. But I rely on these books for school. But even more that, using Bookshare books and reading them on my stream is impossible for me. I can't understand the text to speech voice. Yes there are other ways of reading BookShare books, but if you need to find words, sentences, or what not in an 1200 page Braille document. Its going to take a while. And I am by no means saying that I am not a good Braille reader, cuz I am. Just my two cents, Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:44 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices Good afternoon everyone, Out of respect to those who currently have life time memberships it needs to stay that way!Given this horsepuckey, the increased availability of electronic books, and some of the other comments made here I fear they're on their way to the fossil pit. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rania Ismail CMT" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt from paying the annual fee. -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been grandfathered in since the beginning of time? At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. Marsha __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6364 (20110809) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. com Anjelina _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmai l.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6367 (20110810) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6367 (20110810) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 01:39:55 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:39:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: References: <4e42dca2.87b9340a.583c.384d@mx.google.com><005b01cc57a6$8e703e10$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn><01239E9BC480493A9C54748A01BF395E@Cptr233> Message-ID: I have a hearing impairment, that prevents me from understanding the text to speech voice. Yes I am a member of BookShare too, and yes have a note taker with a Braille display. I don't think I have had a college text book under 1000 pages, that a lot of Braille reading to do. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 9:29 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices Marsha, Why can't you understand the stream voice? I can do most of it, but its so hard to process that weird speech, it is not much use to me. I take it that you are not a member of bookshare then. No, learning Ally will not go away. Maybe most blind people will not use them. But Learning Ally is expanding their focus to other learning disabilities. That is partly why they changed names. They are not going away; just the opposite. Membership is increasing. Just talk to an Learning Ally rep. They have expanded to the I Phone and many other technology. They are definitely growing. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 9:12 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices As someone who needs Learning allie, I sure hope they do not go away. Yes they don't have the best readers, and some times the recordings are horrible. But I rely on these books for school. But even more that, using Bookshare books and reading them on my stream is impossible for me. I can't understand the text to speech voice. Yes there are other ways of reading BookShare books, but if you need to find words, sentences, or what not in an 1200 page Braille document. Its going to take a while. And I am by no means saying that I am not a good Braille reader, cuz I am. Just my two cents, Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:44 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices Good afternoon everyone, Out of respect to those who currently have life time memberships it needs to stay that way!Given this horsepuckey, the increased availability of electronic books, and some of the other comments made here I fear they're on their way to the fossil pit. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rania Ismail CMT" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt from paying the annual fee. -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been grandfathered in since the beginning of time? At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. Marsha __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6364 (20110809) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. com Anjelina _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmai l.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6367 (20110810) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6367 (20110810) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl ink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmai l.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6367 (20110810) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6367 (20110810) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Aug 11 01:44:46 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:44:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: References: <20110809222958.GT3077@yumi.bluecherry.net><9F7FE103101749A68F16E6D8C85B4156@OwnerPC><20110809225755.GV3077@yumi.bluecherry.net><9187C903CB0A4A42B75250D57C89CF4A@OwnerPC><20110810060304.GX3077@yumi.bluecherry.net><20ADCE1BD856448A9582EA8726097CF9@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <190A36694C2547CF87B7BA87F50AE2C8@OwnerPC> Marsha, Yes that would make it hard to hear synthetic speech. I have a slight auditory processing deficit. Its my experience that hearing male synthesized voices is clearer than the girl speech. Also Openbook has the human sounding sappy phy voices which are pretty good. Still I relied on RFB and readers as my primary study tool in school because its easier to understand human speech. And as we discussed in other threads, a reader can skim for you and look up material in the index. I tried looking up in electronic text files, but its not the same. Half the time, I did not find what I needed since I was looking in the wrong chapter. So use Learning Ally since it helps you. If you give them a few months notice, they can record a book for you. They will send you installments of your book as they progress. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 9:19 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I have a hearing impairment, even just listening to the stream reading pleasure reading books these days is harder to hear than it use to be. Well glad I am not the only one. marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices Marsha, Another person who can not understand the stream speech. Ah I am not alone then! Actually I can understand most of it, but its hard to understand and I have to hear it slowly to understand it. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been grandfathered in since the beginning of time? At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. Marsha __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6364 (20110809) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl ink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmai l.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6367 (20110810) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6367 (20110810) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From brice.smith319 at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 02:00:48 2011 From: brice.smith319 at gmail.com (Brice Smith) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 22:00:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: <01239E9BC480493A9C54748A01BF395E@Cptr233> References: <4e42dca2.87b9340a.583c.384d@mx.google.com> <005b01cc57a6$8e703e10$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <01239E9BC480493A9C54748A01BF395E@Cptr233> Message-ID: Everyone, Remember that Bookshare, in addition to offering books in Braille, offers each book in the DAISY format. One of the files has an .xml extension when you unzip the DAISY book. This filetype opens in Internet explorer, which means that the entire book is displayed in your web browser which you can read with a screen reader such as Jaws. You can also rename this filetype or save it as a text file. The versatility of this is incredible, and your options for reading the book are then virtually unlimited. Brice On 8/10/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > As someone who needs Learning allie, I sure hope they do not go away. Yes > they don't have the best readers, and some times the recordings are > horrible. But I rely on these books for school. But even more that, using > Bookshare books and reading them on my stream is impossible for me. I can't > understand the text to speech voice. Yes there are other ways of reading > BookShare books, but if you need to find words, sentences, or what not in an > 1200 page Braille document. Its going to take a while. And I am by no means > saying that I am not a good Braille reader, cuz I am. > > Just my two cents, > Marsha > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Peter Donahue > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:44 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > Good afternoon everyone, > > Out of respect to those who currently have life time memberships it needs to > > stay that way!Given this horsepuckey, the increased availability of > electronic books, and some of the other comments made here I fear they're on > > their way to the fossil pit. > > Peter Donahue > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rania Ismail CMT" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 2:31 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > > I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Anjelina > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt from > paying the annual fee. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marsha Drenth > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around > convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use > the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been > grandfathered in since the beginning of time? > > At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use > BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I > can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. > > Marsha > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6364 (20110809) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. > com > > > Anjelina > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. > com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmai > l.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6367 (20110810) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6367 (20110810) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brice.smith319%40gmail.com > -- Brice Smith North Carolina State University, Communication - Public Relations Brice.Smith319 at gmail.com From cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com Thu Aug 11 16:13:44 2011 From: cherylandmaxx at hotmail.com (cheryl echevarria) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 11:13:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Board Meeting for the Travel and Tourism Division on August 24th 2011 at 7pm Eastern Message-ID: On August 24th, 2011 at 7 pm Eastern. The Travel & Tourism Division a proud division of the National Federation of the Blind will will be holding it's first teleconference to revamp the division. The call-in number is 1-805-360-1000 this is not a toll free number Once you get the recording, you will be asked to put in your participant access code which is 871517# We will ask you all to be muted until we open the lines up for comments and discussions from the floor because of background noise and from people around you. To mute your phone press *6 on your phone, to unmute hit *6 Agenda: Agenda: Introduction from President and officers and giving a little back ground about all of us Upcoming State Conventions and how to get all of us to promote the division. Website what we want up on the website, Peter Donahue and I have been working on this, and need your input and ideas as well of what we want to be put on the website before it goes live. Newsletter Talk list Increasing membership and fundraising ideas What direction do we want to take the division? Ideas for us traveling and doing advocacy at the same time. Leading the Way in Independent Travel! Cheryl Echevarria http://www.echevarriatravel.com 631-456-5394 reservations at echevarriatravel.com< mailto:reservations at echevarriatravel.com> Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Montrose Travel CST-1018299-10 Affiliated as an Independent Contractor with Absolute Cruise & Travel, Inc. From agrima at nbp.org Thu Aug 11 17:26:37 2011 From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:26:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] August print/braille book: Harry by the Sea Message-ID: <008301cc584b$d393ebe0$7abbc3a0$@org> August 2011 Book Club Selection Harry by the Sea Gene Zion Print/braille edition, 6.99 In contracted braille with skip lines Ages 4-8 Who can resist Harry? The cute, friendly little dog loves the beach, but doesn't care much for the hot sun. When he finds there's no room for him under the family umbrella, he goes in search of cool shade. In typical fashion for Harry, one thing leads to another until he's covered in seaweed and mistaken for a sea monster. Despite his alarming appearance, Harry enjoys the cool seaweed until he's finally (accidentally) rescued by a hot dog vendor. (Get it? "Hot dog?!") "Zion's introduction to simple, compound and complex sentences is a perfect primer for young readers. In their ability to arrest a young reader's attention, these works are easily on the level of Seuss's." -B Grund, Amazon. Com reader To order or read more about this book online, visit http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/BC1108-HARRY.html ****** To order any books, send payment to: NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302 Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext 520. Or order any of our books online at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html . From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Fri Aug 12 06:42:32 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 23:42:32 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] [Fwd: The National Association of Blind Students Presents: Meet the Nabs board!] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello all, My appoligies if you are recieving this a second time. Either way, we hope you can attend, as we would love to meet you! Convention has come and gone, and we all as members of the National Association of Blind Students are ready to start anew. We have no doubt you have questions: who’s on the board this year? What kind of committees can we expect to see? Who on the board will be working with my student division more closely? The national Association of Blind Students (NABS) invites you to our first call of the 2011 – 2012 term! On this call the newly elected nabs board will be on hand to meet with you all and discuss the offices they hold, the regions they serve and the committees they chair. This call will take place on Sunday, August 21, at 7p.m. Eastern/4p.m. Pacific Time. Who: The National Association of Blind Students What: Meet the nabs board. When: 8/21/11, 7p.m. ET Where: (712) 775-7100 and enter pass code 257963. Why: Because together we can do great things, but only if we work together! We look forward to meeting you! Yours, The National Association of Blind Students. Darian Smith 2nd Vice-President National Association of Blind Students DSmith at nabslink.org www.nabslink.org Darian Smith 2nd Vice-President National Association of Blind Students DSmith at nabslink.org www.nabslink.org -- Darian Smith "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr. From jandart2 at aol.com Fri Aug 12 16:40:53 2011 From: jandart2 at aol.com (jandart2 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: <4e42dca2.87b9340a.583c.384d@mx.google.com> References: <4e42dca2.87b9340a.583c.384d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8CE2725BC80F2F1-34A8-7D3@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> Listers, Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? Thanks, Jan -----Original Message----- From: Rania Ismail CMT To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt from paying the annual fee. -----Original Message----- From: Marsha Drenth Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been grandfathered in since the beginning of time? At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. Marsha __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6364 (20110809) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. com Anjelina _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com From aec732 at msn.com Fri Aug 12 20:32:17 2011 From: aec732 at msn.com (Annemarie Cooke) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:32:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] regarding Learning Ally, Nook and Kindle.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, Learning Ally did not receive renewed federal funding that had supported free memberships. Anyone who registered prior to 1995 does have free lifetime membership. Any one still having an issue, please e-mail me privately and we'll work on it. Nook is not accessible; much of Kindle is ONLY if publishers agree to have audio available since many perceive it as another set of intellectual property rights even though we here cannot read the print at all.... Annemarie Cooke Learning ALly Consultant aec732 at gmail.com From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Fri Aug 12 21:18:28 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:18:28 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone Programming Message-ID: <76A3926E878643879AB176E6535C31BC@stanford.edu> If there is anyone who writes programs for the iPhone, can he/she please write me off list? Thanks, Nicole From daviddod at buffalo.edu Sat Aug 13 03:20:23 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 23:20:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind Message-ID: Hello Everyone, A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind in Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific center? I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu From daviddod at buffalo.edu Sat Aug 13 03:39:46 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 23:39:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? Message-ID: Hello Everyone, A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind in Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific center? I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 04:49:45 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:49:45 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices In-Reply-To: <8CE2725BC80F2F1-34A8-7D3@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> References: <4e42dca2.87b9340a.583c.384d@mx.google.com> <8CE2725BC80F2F1-34A8-7D3@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20110813044944.GG3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works you’ll have to ask others—I use an iPad myself. *grin* Joseph - kf7qzc On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >Listers, >Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? > >Thanks, >Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rania Ismail CMT >To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > >I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > >Of Anjelina > >Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM > >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > > >I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt from > >paying the annual fee. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Marsha Drenth > >Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM > >To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > > >I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around > >convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use > >the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been > >grandfathered in since the beginning of time? > > > >At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use > >BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I > >can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. > > > >Marsha > > > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > >database 6364 (20110809) __________ > > > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > >http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. > >com > > > > > >Anjelina > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai > >l.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From jty727 at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 04:54:20 2011 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 00:54:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David, I have experience with this center since I spent 3 consecutive summers at the Corroll Center. I would be happy to answer any questions you may have. Justin Young On 8/12/11, David Dodge wrote: > Hello Everyone, > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind in > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific center? > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 05:23:50 2011 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 01:23:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] [Fwd: The National Association of Blind Students Presents: Meet the Nabs board!] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Expect this call to be streamed too. And to our new president Shawn, if you could email me off list at djdrocks4ever at gmail.com would love to get a pre call interview with you that we can do, then I'll play the recording of it before going live as part of Nabs On Deck, the pre game show as it were, before nabs calls. On 8/12/11, Darian Smith wrote: > Hello all, > My appoligies if you are recieving this a second time. > Either way, we hope you can attend, as we would love to meet you! > > > Convention has come and gone, and we all as members of the National > Association of Blind Students are ready to start anew. > > We have no doubt you have questions: who’s on the board this year? What > kind of committees can we expect to see? Who on the board will be working > with > my student division more closely? > > The national Association of Blind Students (NABS) invites you to our > first call of the 2011 – 2012 term! On this call the newly elected nabs > board will > be on hand to meet with you all and discuss the offices they hold, the > regions they serve and the committees they chair. This call will take > place > on Sunday, August 21, at 7p.m. Eastern/4p.m. Pacific Time. > > Who: The National Association of Blind Students > > What: Meet the nabs board. > > When: 8/21/11, 7p.m. ET > > Where: (712) 775-7100 and enter pass code 257963. > > Why: Because together we can do great things, but only if we work together! > > We look forward to meeting you! > > Yours, > > The National Association of Blind Students. > > > Darian Smith > 2nd Vice-President > National Association of Blind Students > > DSmith at nabslink.org > > www.nabslink.org > > > > Darian Smith > 2nd Vice-President > National Association of Blind Students > > DSmith at nabslink.org > > www.nabslink.org > > > > > > -- > Darian Smith > > "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." > - Martin Luther King, Jr. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/djdrocks4ever%40gmail.com > From daviddod at buffalo.edu Sat Aug 13 06:40:43 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 02:40:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Justin, Thanks for your e-mail. Clearly, you have a great deal of experience with the center. Can you tell me about the program you were in, what you learned, and how it helped you? Were there any cons to the center? Thanks so much. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Justin Young wrote: > Hi David, > > I have experience with this center since I spent 3 consecutive summers > at the Corroll Center. I would be happy to answer any questions you > may have. > > Justin Young > > On 8/12/11, David Dodge wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind > in > > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific > center? > > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. > > > > David > > ---------------------------------- > > David Dodge > > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > > State University of New York Student Assembly > > English Major > > University at Buffalo > > 306 Clemens Hall > > Buffalo, NY 14260 > > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From startrekcafe at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 02:02:02 2011 From: startrekcafe at gmail.com (Marvin Hunkin) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:02:02 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] microsoft outlook help with jaws Message-ID: <003301cc5a26$2b729b50$8257d1f0$@gmail.com> Hi. I have windows 7 professional, upgraded from windows vista, and using jawsw 12. And how to use it, and what is the outlook data folder, the favorites folder. And how to delete the outlook data folder. And also, when I delete a message, how to get it to read automatically. Did try to put windows mail on windows 7, but did not work out. So got Microsoft office professional 2010. And got outlook professional 2010. So any tips, tricks, suggestions, to improve the reading of outlook with jaws 12. Marvin. From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Sat Aug 13 14:38:23 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 09:38:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers References: <4e42dca2.87b9340a.583c.384d@mx.google.com><8CE2725BC80F2F1-34A8-7D3@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <20110813044944.GG3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> Message-ID: <006701cc59c6$a7df07b0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Joseph and everyone, Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. It was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access for blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping to develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: http://www.blio.com We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a great product. Now to add more books to our collection. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "T. Joseph Carter" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works you’ll have to ask others—I use an iPad myself. *grin* Joseph - kf7qzc On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >Listers, >Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? > >Thanks, >Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rania Ismail CMT >To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > >Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > >I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >Behalf > >Of Anjelina > >Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM > >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > > >I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt from > >paying the annual fee. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Marsha Drenth > >Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM > >To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > > >I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around > >convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use > >the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been > >grandfathered in since the beginning of time? > > > >At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use > >BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I > >can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. > > > >Marsha > > > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature > >database 6364 (20110809) __________ > > > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > >http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. > >com > > > > > >Anjelina > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai > >l.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 17:11:26 2011 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:11:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read Message-ID: Hi Everybody! I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye nabslinkaudio.org. So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and spam, etc. So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch to a new provider. During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back online again. Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get said messages and no one else and 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be validated by the owner Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense once you see it! If you have any questions, please email me at djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Thank you. >From David From jty727 at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 18:29:42 2011 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:29:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David, No problem. I did three different programs. In the Summer of 2006 I did the Youth In Transition(YIT) program which is heavily focused upon daily living skills. There were classes from 8:45-3pm Mon-Fri. Then there was activities that you did clubs and stuff like that. Some were fun and some not really. You have the opportunity to do fencing, and other evening activities. Some of the evening ones were more arts/crafts style if I recall. Its hard to say with the extracurriculars cuz they changed ever year. The ones whichwere the same were Fencing, Sailing, shopping and others which I forget. The next Summer I did the Real World of Work Experience Program(RWWE) which was 5 weeks where the first week is doing the classes to make sure you can do all of it because like laundry you had to wait until after classes were over or on weekends as well. Once you begin working its great I must say. When I did it they selected a place for you and you were on the job site for Mon, Wed, Fri and Tues & Thu you went on Field Trips. Oh yes I forgot about those we went on those as well in YIT. They were to fun places, movies, golfing & stuff like that. For the RWWE program though on Thursdays we went on Work related field trips. Like once we went to the State House in Boston and tried to go to Cape Cod, but the van I was in broke down so couldn't do that one. There were still the activities in the afternoon and evening. I didn't really do the ones in the afternoon because I got back from work to late always. I worked at the Newton Welseley Hospital in the Receiving Department which was fun after I got a hand of what I was doing, the layout of the place and confidence that I could do it all. I delivered to depts mainly. For my Final Summer I and 4 others were involved in the pilot program of Transition To College(TTC) in the Summer of 2008. This program was 4 weeks where we did 2 at the Carroll Center like the YIT program and 2 at Boston College. The 2 weeks of the classes is to ensure we could do it while at BC. There was also a 2 week period before the program started for all in the program to do the Computing to College which is a computer program based in the Technology Center at the Carroll Center. I couldn't do this portion because I was finishing High School. While at BC we attended various seminars during the day and after I think 3pm it was we were free to do whatever we liked. We stayed in a dorm which was a suite style and had a supervisor in one of the 5 rooms with us. We were given each day $15 for food and had to give the supervisor all receipts of what we spent. We definitely got our exercise because our dorm was about a mile from the Education Building where our seminars took place. We went on a field trip or two I don't remember. I remember we went to either Boston University or one of the UMass schools. I and a few of the others in the program took the train to go places once or twice and a coffee shop was right on the edge of the college and not far from our dorm. So, I went there sometimes. It was a great three years full of making friends. The cons you asked? Hmm, well it really depends upon how you look at which program you are in. I would say that sometimes you were forced to do things you didn't really want to do which is why I really liked the BC living. I hope this helps you. Justin On 8/13/11, David Dodge wrote: > Justin, > Thanks for your e-mail. Clearly, you have a great deal of experience with > the center. Can you tell me about the program you were in, what you learned, > and how it helped you? Were there any cons to the center? Thanks so much. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Justin Young wrote: > >> Hi David, >> >> I have experience with this center since I spent 3 consecutive summers >> at the Corroll Center. I would be happy to answer any questions you >> may have. >> >> Justin Young >> >> On 8/12/11, David Dodge wrote: >> > Hello Everyone, >> > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind >> in >> > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >> center? >> > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >> > >> > David >> > ---------------------------------- >> > David Dodge >> > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> > State University of New York Student Assembly >> > English Major >> > University at Buffalo >> > 306 Clemens Hall >> > Buffalo, NY 14260 >> > daviddod at buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 18:52:23 2011 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:52:23 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers In-Reply-To: <006701cc59c6$a7df07b0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <4e42dca2.87b9340a.583c.384d@mx.google.com> <8CE2725BC80F2F1-34A8-7D3@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com> <20110813044944.GG3077@yumi.bluecherry.net> <006701cc59c6$a7df07b0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Peter, I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their own, I guess. Warmly, Kirt On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Joseph and everyone, > > Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. It > was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access for > blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping to > develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio > instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or > nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: > http://www.blio.com > > We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a great > product. Now to add more books to our collection. > > Peter Donahue > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "T. Joseph Carter" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > > The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be > accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works > you’ll have to ask others—I use an iPad myself. *grin* > > Joseph - kf7qzc > > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>Listers, >>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >> >>Thanks, >>Jan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>Behalf >> >>Of Anjelina >> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >> >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >> >>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt from >> >>paying the annual fee. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: Marsha Drenth >> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >> >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >> >>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >> >>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use >> >>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >> >>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >> >> >> >>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use >> >>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >> >>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. >> >> >> >>Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>signature >> >>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >> >> >> >>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> >> >>http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>nabs-l: >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >> >>com >> >> >> >> >> >>Anjelina >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>nabs-l: >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >> >>l.com >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From missheather at comcast.net Sat Aug 13 20:27:44 2011 From: missheather at comcast.net (Heather Field) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:27:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers In-Reply-To: References: <4e42dca2.87b9340a.583c.384d@mx.google.com><8CE2725BC80F2F1-34A8-7D3@webmail-d142.sysops.aol.com><20110813044944.GG3077@yumi.bluecherry.net><006701cc59c6$a7df07b0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Hi Kurt, I downloaded Kindle for PC and then bought an ebook with speech enabled. However, I believe I still need an accessibility plugin or some such add-on to make it fully accessible. As you're having great success with using Kindle, can you please advise me as to what I need to do so I can read my ebook. Thanks so much. Heather -----Original Message----- From: Kirt Manwaring Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers Peter, I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their own, I guess. Warmly, Kirt On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Joseph and everyone, > > Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. It > was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access for > blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping > to > develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio > instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or > nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: > http://www.blio.com > > We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a great > product. Now to add more books to our collection. > > Peter Donahue > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "T. Joseph Carter" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > > The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be > accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works > you’ll have to ask others—I use an iPad myself. *grin* > > Joseph - kf7qzc > > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>Listers, >>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >> >>Thanks, >>Jan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>Behalf >> >>Of Anjelina >> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >> >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >> >>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>from >> >>paying the annual fee. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: Marsha Drenth >> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >> >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >> >>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >> >>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use >> >>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >> >>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >> >> >> >>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use >> >>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >> >>can't understand the speech. 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I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye nabslinkaudio.org. So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and spam, etc. So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch to a new provider. During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back online again. Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get said messages and no one else and 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be validated by the owner Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense once you see it! If you have any questions, please email me at djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Thank you. >From David _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 22:09:38 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:09:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read In-Reply-To: <1DD7E36205204D098FAF6758FBF60CAC@OwnerPC> References: <1DD7E36205204D098FAF6758FBF60CAC@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi David, Technical problems, technical problems! First, nabslinkaudio.org's Web hosting service motherboard fried, and I just got an email saying that AAR will be temporarily offline! Wow! I completely understand. Thanks for the update, and I look forward to listening to the meeting! Chris On 8/13/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Dunphy > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read > > Hi Everybody! > I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the > convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it > is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting > provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some > files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but > our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I > had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye > nabslinkaudio.org. > So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting > home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and > spam, etc. > So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the > nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch > to a new provider. > During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you > know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. > You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back > online again. > Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet > service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect > the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement > text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already > mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: > 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their > numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get > said messages and no one else > and > 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a > concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be > validated by the owner > Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense > once you see it! > If you have any questions, please email me at > djdrocks4ever at gmail.com > Thank you. > >From David > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Aug 13 23:00:54 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:00:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <94D3A84AC9CB48E483A5C87D966FF189@OwnerPC> David, What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation adult program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a short summer experience to comment on. I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult program because I am thinking of going back for training. Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it’s a shorter program since they have a new program called Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I known about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The teens in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I was friends with the RWWE students though. In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of field trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and RWWE had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each other since there was some overlap in experience. In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living skills. Its like the youth version of the rehab program. Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students had club activities and in the evening there were more activities and some of them were off campus. In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra curriculars and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already knew. I wonder if the adult program is more individualized with a good evaluation of skills before you learn skills in class. Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, and information technology. In communication some students learned braille but I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase a tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. In personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained things. There was another student in my class. We made cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had a lesson on putting on lipstick too. Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the bus. I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to Newton center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I had practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was ten years ago! I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay objects and painted them. I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or goal ball. On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to swim, but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually fun. I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and museums. I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision impaired. I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? Hello Everyone, A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind in Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific center? I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 01:28:47 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:28:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: new email address for the business Message-ID: -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Hi everyone, I'd like to let everyone know of a new and exciting change in our painting business for the blind and sighted, Arianna's Art, Inc. We've just created an email account where you can send us questions, comments, suggestions, or any other information regarding our business. If you would like to advertise our product by displaying it at your next NFB, ACB, or any other meeting or event, or would like to advertise us in any other way, you can also contact us via this email. Our email address is ariannas.art at gmail.com. We're also trying to create an email list for people who would like to recieve announcements from us. In other words, if you specify that you would like to be added to our email list, we'll add your email address to our contacts list, and whenever we have a new announcement, we'll email it to you. If you'd like to recieve announcements from us, please leave us your name and email address at the above email. The email address once again is ariannas.art at gmail.com. Arianna has two n's and there's no apostrophe before the s. Hope to hear from you soon! Chris From SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu Sun Aug 14 01:57:40 2011 From: SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu (Salisbury, Justin Mark) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:57:40 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind Message-ID: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers with Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with all of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, I highly recommend it. I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the experience both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that I now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so I was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to use my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, but blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn all of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable visual field and acuity. I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have chosen. In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other students with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also saw a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we were adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people talk," was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often led to self-awareness and confidence building. In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were responsible for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so they weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at a distance while we were in the environment. At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the end of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training center would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but it does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the dining hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or counter-clockwise direction. The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but it is not the very best option available. I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. Justin Justin M. Salisbury Undergraduate Student The University Honors Program East Carolina University salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD From daviddod at buffalo.edu Sun Aug 14 03:03:06 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:03:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? In-Reply-To: <94D3A84AC9CB48E483A5C87D966FF189@OwnerPC> References: <94D3A84AC9CB48E483A5C87D966FF189@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Thanks so much. He is doing the Youth in Transition program and is interested in doing some other programs as well. Good to know you had very positive experiences. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM, wrote: > David, > What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation adult > program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational > transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a > short summer experience to comment on. > I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult program > because I am thinking of going back for training. > > Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. > I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it’s a > shorter program since they have a new program called > Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the > students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I known > about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE > program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The teens > in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. > That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I > was friends with the RWWE students though. > In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of field > trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and RWWE > had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. > We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each other > since there was some overlap in experience. > > In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living skills. > Its like the youth version of the rehab program. > Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. > Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students > had club activities and in the evening > there were more activities and some of them were off campus. > In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class > period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra > curriculars and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already > knew. I wonder if the adult program is more individualized with a good > evaluation of skills before you learn skills in class. > > Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, and > information technology. In communication some students learned braille but > I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase a > tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. In > personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on > cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and > spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found > Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained things. > There was another student in my class. We made > cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had a > lesson on putting on lipstick too. > Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and > bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. > > IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and > went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the bus. > I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to Newton > center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I had > practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. > > The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was > ten years ago! > I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay > objects and painted them. > I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or goal > ball. > On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to swim, > but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping > night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. > > We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually fun. > I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where > they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and > outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to > know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and museums. > > I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student > who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision > impaired. > > I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. > -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? > > Hello Everyone, > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind in > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific > center? > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. > > David > ------------------------------**---- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From gcazares10 at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 03:59:07 2011 From: gcazares10 at gmail.com (Gabe Cazares) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:59:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a corrected link In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FYI ...Gabe ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Andrews Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a corrected link To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > >Hello, > >Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at Ground >Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world about >its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. > >Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers list >for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and book >agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have purchased >your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one please >visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All copies >come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. > >Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. If >you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >lessons around >9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at bookstores. >Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to >me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before Roselle >passed on June 26, 2011. > >The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that "Thunder >Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. The >book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind convention >in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. > >I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated as a >candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane >Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the eight >finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a problem. >I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time and >vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >Alma Mater. > >Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As always, if >you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always looking >for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact >information. I hope all is well with you. > > >Best, > > >Mike Hingson > >The Michael Hingson Group, INC. > "Speaking with Vision" >Michael Hingson, President >(415) 827-4084 >info at michaelhingson.com >To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >www.michaelhingson.com > >Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at >www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 > >To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com _______________________________________________ Nfbnet-members-list mailing list Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org -- Gabriel M. Cazares, 2nd Vice President Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) www.nfbtx.org/tabs Phone: 713-581-0619 "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest willing to let them." -Robert Frost From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 10:57:26 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:57:26 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award Message-ID: <4e47aa32.87cee70a.3a4e.ffffa021@mx.google.com> Hi, guys. I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. Thanks. Beth From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Sun Aug 14 12:08:02 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:08:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind References: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: <003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Justin and everyone, For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a "Dying." If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you need once and it will last you a life time. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" To: Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers with Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with all of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, I highly recommend it. I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the experience both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that I now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so I was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to use my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, but blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn all of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable visual field and acuity. I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have chosen. In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other students with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also saw a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we were adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people talk," was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often led to self-awareness and confidence building. In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were responsible for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so they weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at a distance while we were in the environment. At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the end of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training center would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but it does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the dining hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or counter-clockwise direction. The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but it is not the very best option available. I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. Justin Justin M. Salisbury Undergraduate Student The University Honors Program East Carolina University salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 14:32:38 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:32:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] sending a message to all Gmail contacts? Message-ID: Hi everyone, I have a question for all Gmail users. Is there a way that I can send a message to all Gmail contacts at the same time? Is there some kind of "send to all" button like there is on my mom's Yahoo account? I'm asking because, as I posted last night, our business (Arianna's Art, Inc.) has created a new Gmail account where people can send us questions, feedback, orders, etc. We'd also like to create a contacts list for our Gmail account, and send out an email to all our contacts when we have a new announcement or a piece of news. So, can I do this in Gmail without Google group? If I can't do this with JAWS in Basic HTML mode, I'll just create a list on Google Groups. But, can I send one message to all contacts? Thanks! -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 14:34:34 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:34:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier In-Reply-To: <4E47CFDF.6020302@gmail.com> References: <4E47CFDF.6020302@gmail.com> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:38:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." *Employment Mentoring Project* *Seeking Professionals Who Are Blind * ** Remember the challenges you faced in finding your first job?? Would you like to help a college student who is also blind begin their career in a profession similar to yours?? We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. *BENEFITS* ·Opportunity to mentor a college student who is blind and is interested in working in your profession ·Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community *RESPONSIBILITIES* ·Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after your mentee graduates ·Help your mentee develop career goals and offer opportunities for job shadowing ·Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month ·Complete online activities monthly ** *ELIGIBILITY* ·Legal blindness ·Currently employed or retired from a professional career ·Has basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility software/hardware needed to access online materials *INTERESTED?* ·*Complete the eligibility survey at *http://tiny.cc/mentor-professionals** ** ·For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: 1-800-675-7782 -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 14:37:04 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:37:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. In-Reply-To: <4E47CF99.8080906@gmail.com> References: <4E47CF99.8080906@gmail.com> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:37:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." *Employment Mentoring Project* *For Students Who Are Legally Blind* ** Is finding a job your next big step after graduation?? Would you like the opportunity to work with a mentor who is also blind and has experience in your profession of interest?? We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. *BENEFITS* ·Potential to work with a career mentor who is blind ·Access to career development resources ·Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community *RESPONSIBILITIES* ·Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after graduation ·Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month ·Complete online activities monthly ** *ELIGIBILITY* ·Undergraduate or graduate student, under age 35, who: oIs legally blind oPlans to graduate within 2-3 semesters after January 2012 oExpects to seek employment after graduation oHas basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility software/hardware needed to access online materials *INTERESTED?* ·*Complete eligibility survey online at *http://tiny.cc/mentor-students** ·For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: 1-800-675-7782 -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 14:50:16 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:50:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind In-Reply-To: <003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> <003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Hi everyone, This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! Chris On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Justin and everyone, > > For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll > Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw > the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What > can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a "Dying." > If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you need > once and it will last you a life time. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > > > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers with > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. > > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with all > of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, I > highly recommend it. > > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the experience > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that I > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so I > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to use > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, but > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn all > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable > visual field and acuity. > > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have > chosen. > > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, > and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other students > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also saw > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we were > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people talk," > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often led > to self-awareness and confidence building. > > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were responsible > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so they > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at a > distance while we were in the environment. > > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the end > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training center > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but it > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the dining > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or > counter-clockwise direction. > > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but it > is not the very best option available. > > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. > > Justin > > > > Justin M. Salisbury > Undergraduate Student > The University Honors Program > East Carolina University > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu > > “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change > the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 14:58:53 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:58:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award In-Reply-To: <4e47aa32.87cee70a.3a4e.ffffa021@mx.google.com> References: <4e47aa32.87cee70a.3a4e.ffffa021@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Beth, Amen to that! I'm going to try on my PC, as the site was a little weird with my BrailleNote, so it may be better with JAWS. I have recently finished reading Thunder Dog (my friend picked a copy up for me at national convention, as I wasn't there... what a bad Federationist I am, *smiles) and it's a wonderfull story. You'll love it! Enjoy the book! Chris P.S. Does anybody know when the deadline for voting for Roselle is? Did Mike mention this in one of his emails, and I just didn't pay attention? On 8/14/11, Beth wrote: > Hi, guys. > I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear > of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for > her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys > have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog > myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I > have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been > thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've > heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in > portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all > vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. > Thanks. > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 15:49:13 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:49:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a corrected link In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gabe, Just FYI, you don't need to send emails to the NABS list if they come across as posted to the NFBnet-members list. When Dave Andrews posts something to the NFBnet-members or NFBnet-master lists, it goes to everybody who's on any NFBnet lists. This reduces Inbox clutter for people who are on multiple lists, as a message is sent to one list, then forwarded to another list on the same server as the first, then another, and another... well, you see what I mean. The other lists you posted it to hadn't seen the message before you sent it, though, because they're on different servers. Just letting you know! Chris On 8/13/11, Gabe Cazares wrote: > FYI > > ...Gabe > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Andrews > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 > Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a corrected > link > To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > > >> >>Hello, >> >>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >> Ground >>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >> about >>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >> >>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers list >>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >> book >>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >> purchased >>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one please >>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All copies >>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >> >>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >> If >>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>lessons around >>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at bookstores. >>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to >>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before Roselle >>passed on June 26, 2011. >> >>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that "Thunder >>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >> The >>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind convention >>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >> >>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated as >> a >>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane >>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the eight >>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >> problem. >>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >> and >>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >>Alma Mater. >> >>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As always, >> if >>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >> looking >>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact >>information. I hope all is well with you. >> >> >>Best, >> >> >>Mike Hingson >> >>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >> "Speaking with Vision" >>Michael Hingson, President >>(415) 827-4084 >>info at michaelhingson.com >>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>www.michaelhingson.com >> >>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at >>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >> >>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Nfbnet-members-list mailing list > Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > > > > -- > Gabriel M. Cazares, > 2nd Vice President > Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS > (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) > www.nfbtx.org/tabs > Phone: 713-581-0619 > "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest > willing to let them." > -Robert Frost > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 16:25:30 2011 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:25:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod Message-ID: Hello everyone: I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days? (I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be appreciated. Thanks, Patrick Molloy From ignasicambra at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 17:08:44 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 13:08:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0325C083-FDD2-459F-B927-DC12D620D8AA@gmail.com> All current iPod models are completely accessible except for the iPod classic. On Aug 14, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Patrick Molloy wrote: > Hello everyone: > I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds > are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something > to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more > accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days? > (I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't > compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be > appreciated. > Thanks, > Patrick Molloy > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From daviddod at buffalo.edu Sun Aug 14 19:43:24 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:43:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind In-Reply-To: References: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> <003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Chris, I have visited the Louisiana Center before and know several people that have gone there. Generally, they describe it as one of the most extraordinary experiences. When I visited the staff was very kind and full of information. They are proud of what they do there. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:50 AM, chris nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to > start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about > attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend > BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, > from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center > next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, > Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought > were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each > program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences > in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely > be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm > going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into > 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! > > Chris > > On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > > Hello Justin and everyone, > > > > For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll > > Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw > > the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What > > can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a > "Dying." > > If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you > need > > once and it will last you a life time. > > > > Peter Donahue > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM > > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > > > > > > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers > with > > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. > > > > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an > > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with > all > > of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, > I > > highly recommend it. > > > > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the > Real > > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the > experience > > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement > that I > > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so > I > > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to > use > > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my > > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything > > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M > > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, > but > > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. > I > > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for > the > > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn > all > > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable > > visual field and acuity. > > > > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before > I > > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have > > chosen. > > > > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence > > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do > > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision > devices, > > and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us > > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we > > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest > > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called > > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other > students > > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities > > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also > saw > > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we > were > > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people > talk," > > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often > led > > to self-awareness and confidence building. > > > > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our > skills > > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we > > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid > by > > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and > > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students > > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were > responsible > > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We > had > > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so > they > > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at > a > > distance while we were in the environment. > > > > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the > end > > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They > > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an > > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They > > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training > center > > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in > a > > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but > it > > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the > dining > > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate > > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or > > counter-clockwise direction. > > > > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but > it > > is not the very best option available. > > > > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. > > > > Justin > > > > > > > > Justin M. Salisbury > > Undergraduate Student > > The University Honors Program > > East Carolina University > > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu > > > > “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can > change > > the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 20:04:18 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 16:04:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] sending a message to all Gmail contacts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am not completely sure if you can do it in a way like you wish, where you would click once and bamb all the emails are there to go, but I think you would just have to check all the boxes. I have not found any way of doing this anyhow. But that does not mean that there is not a way to do it. On 8/14/11, chris nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I have a question for all Gmail users. Is there a way that I can send > a message to all Gmail contacts at the same time? Is there some kind > of "send to all" button like there is on my mom's Yahoo account? I'm > asking because, as I posted last night, our business (Arianna's Art, > Inc.) has created a new Gmail account where people can send us > questions, feedback, orders, etc. We'd also like to create a contacts > list for our Gmail account, and send out an email to all our contacts > when we have a new announcement or a piece of news. So, can I do this > in Gmail without Google group? If I can't do this with JAWS in Basic > HTML mode, I'll just create a list on Google Groups. But, can I send > one message to all contacts? Thanks! > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 22:15:30 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 16:15:30 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind In-Reply-To: References: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> <003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Hi all, When deciding which training center to go to, there are lots of factors to consider. Training centers differ in what skills they teach and how they teach them (i.e. with or without sleepshades) and it's important to evaluate their teaching philosophies to determine which one is best for you. However, there's another dimension that sometimes gets missed and that's the "feel" of the center-and in particular how the staff feel about their students and their jobs. This is one area where I think NFB likely beats them all. I went through the adult program at LCB and I've talked to lots of students and staff at CCB and BLIND, Inc. and it's clear that with few exceptions, the staff at all three of our centers (1) love their jobs and (2) actually care about their students. These things seem obvious, but you'd be surprised. When I was growing up I went to a local day summer program for blind kids. This wasn't a center per se, but they had lots of social activities for the kids and attempted to teach some skills, like assistive tech. Anyway, I remember overhearing staff members at this program talking to each other about how they couldn't wait for the program to end or to get time off. Staff were often irritable and got frustrated with kids who cried or got upset or kids with intellectual disabilities who took longer to catch on. Furthermore, it was made clear the adults were in charge and attempts by kids to mentor other kids were discouraged. I liked the program because of all the friends I made there, but the attitudes of the staff always got to me. I was quickly impressed when I got to LCB, and even before that when I worked one of the kids' science camps at the Jernigan Institute, by how patient and loving and dedicated our teachers are. I recall one of the LCB instructors waiting a half-hour past closing time for a student to find her way to the classroom door on her own. This is an easy task for many of us, but for someone who has always been guided without a cane it can be very challenging. The teacher could have just guided her to speed things up or yelled at her for not being independent enough, which is probably what would have happened at my old summer camp, but he didn't. He was willing to spend the extra time so a student could learn a new skill and gain confidence. It is clear the instructors at the centers are not just working there for a paycheck. Many of them will talk freely and sincerely about how much they enjoy their jobs, but it is also apparent in their demeanor and actions. Even though I graduated from LCB in 2008, my instructors still come up and hug me and ask how I've been when I see them at convention or Washington Seminar, and they do so for other students as well. I think this kind of affection and genuine caring is really important. It helps students trust their teachers and be willing to take on challenging assignments, and it helps the teachers trust their students enough to give them those challenges. I think the warmth, positivity, and belief our instructors have in their students is the real ingredient that makes our centers so exceptional-even more so than the curriculum. Arielle On 8/14/11, David Dodge wrote: > Chris, > I have visited the Louisiana Center before and know several people that have > gone there. Generally, they describe it as one of the most extraordinary > experiences. > > When I visited the staff was very kind and full of information. They are > proud of what they do there. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:50 AM, chris nusbaum > wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! >> >> Chris >> >> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> > Hello Justin and everyone, >> > >> > For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll >> > Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >> > saw >> > the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >> > What >> > can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >> "Dying." >> > If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >> need >> > once and it will last you a life time. >> > >> > Peter Donahue >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >> > To: >> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >> > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> > >> > >> > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >> with >> > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >> > >> > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >> > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >> all >> > of the other students involved. If only considering the social >> > frontier, >> I >> > highly recommend it. >> > >> > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >> Real >> > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >> experience >> > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >> that I >> > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, >> > so >> I >> > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >> use >> > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >> > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >> > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >> > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >> but >> > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >> I >> > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >> the >> > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >> all >> > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >> > visual field and acuity. >> > >> > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >> I >> > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >> > chosen. >> > >> > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >> > confidence >> > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >> > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >> devices, >> > and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >> > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >> > we >> > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >> > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >> > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >> students >> > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >> > activities >> > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >> saw >> > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >> were >> > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >> talk," >> > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >> led >> > to self-awareness and confidence building. >> > >> > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >> skills >> > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >> > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >> by >> > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >> > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >> > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >> responsible >> > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >> had >> > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >> they >> > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us >> > at >> a >> > distance while we were in the environment. >> > >> > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >> end >> > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >> > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >> > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >> > They >> > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >> center >> > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >> a >> > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >> > but >> it >> > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >> dining >> > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >> > navigate >> > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >> > counter-clockwise direction. >> > >> > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >> it >> > is not the very best option available. >> > >> > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >> > >> > Justin >> > >> > >> > >> > Justin M. Salisbury >> > Undergraduate Student >> > The University Honors Program >> > East Carolina University >> > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >> > >> > “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >> change >> > the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From aubielynn at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 22:47:41 2011 From: aubielynn at gmail.com (Aubrie Lucas) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 14:47:41 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001601cc5ad4$2e1841d0$8a48c570$@com> Both JAWS 11 and 12 compatible with iTunes. I have the newest Nano, and like it a lot better than all the Shuffles I've had. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Molloy Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 8:26 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod Hello everyone: I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days? (I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be appreciated. Thanks, Patrick Molloy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.co m From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 14 23:03:37 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 19:03:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod In-Reply-To: <001601cc5ad4$2e1841d0$8a48c570$@com> References: <001601cc5ad4$2e1841d0$8a48c570$@com> Message-ID: <63388BE7B8104949A9573123DC8BF418@OwnerPC> I have an Ipod shuffle and like its simplicity. No flat screen! The down side is that it cannot hold as much music as a Nano can. -----Original Message----- From: Aubrie Lucas Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 6:47 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible iPod Both JAWS 11 and 12 compatible with iTunes. I have the newest Nano, and like it a lot better than all the Shuffles I've had. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Molloy Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 8:26 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod Hello everyone: I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days? (I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be appreciated. Thanks, Patrick Molloy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 23:14:20 2011 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 19:14:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4e4856f2.41cce00a.640e.58c7@mx.google.com> Bism was a good center as well. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 6:16 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind Hi all, When deciding which training center to go to, there are lots of factors to consider. Training centers differ in what skills they teach and how they teach them (i.e. with or without sleepshades) and it's important to evaluate their teaching philosophies to determine which one is best for you. However, there's another dimension that sometimes gets missed and that's the "feel" of the center-and in particular how the staff feel about their students and their jobs. This is one area where I think NFB likely beats them all. I went through the adult program at LCB and I've talked to lots of students and staff at CCB and BLIND, Inc. and it's clear that with few exceptions, the staff at all three of our centers (1) love their jobs and (2) actually care about their students. These things seem obvious, but you'd be surprised. When I was growing up I went to a local day summer program for blind kids. This wasn't a center per se, but they had lots of social activities for the kids and attempted to teach some skills, like assistive tech. Anyway, I remember overhearing staff members at this program talking to each other about how they couldn't wait for the program to end or to get time off. Staff were often irritable and got frustrated with kids who cried or got upset or kids with intellectual disabilities who took longer to catch on. Furthermore, it was made clear the adults were in charge and attempts by kids to mentor other kids were discouraged. I liked the program because of all the friends I made there, but the attitudes of the staff always got to me. I was quickly impressed when I got to LCB, and even before that when I worked one of the kids' science camps at the Jernigan Institute, by how patient and loving and dedicated our teachers are. I recall one of the LCB instructors waiting a half-hour past closing time for a student to find her way to the classroom door on her own. This is an easy task for many of us, but for someone who has always been guided without a cane it can be very challenging. The teacher could have just guided her to speed things up or yelled at her for not being independent enough, which is probably what would have happened at my old summer camp, but he didn't. He was willing to spend the extra time so a student could learn a new skill and gain confidence. It is clear the instructors at the centers are not just working there for a paycheck. Many of them will talk freely and sincerely about how much they enjoy their jobs, but it is also apparent in their demeanor and actions. Even though I graduated from LCB in 2008, my instructors still come up and hug me and ask how I've been when I see them at convention or Washington Seminar, and they do so for other students as well. I think this kind of affection and genuine caring is really important. It helps students trust their teachers and be willing to take on challenging assignments, and it helps the teachers trust their students enough to give them those challenges. I think the warmth, positivity, and belief our instructors have in their students is the real ingredient that makes our centers so exceptional-even more so than the curriculum. Arielle On 8/14/11, David Dodge wrote: > Chris, > I have visited the Louisiana Center before and know several people that have > gone there. Generally, they describe it as one of the most extraordinary > experiences. > > When I visited the staff was very kind and full of information. They are > proud of what they do there. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:50 AM, chris nusbaum > wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! >> >> Chris >> >> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> > Hello Justin and everyone, >> > >> > For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll >> > Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >> > saw >> > the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >> > What >> > can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >> "Dying." >> > If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >> need >> > once and it will last you a life time. >> > >> > Peter Donahue >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >> > To: >> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >> > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> > >> > >> > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >> with >> > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >> > >> > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >> > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >> all >> > of the other students involved. If only considering the social >> > frontier, >> I >> > highly recommend it. >> > >> > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >> Real >> > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >> experience >> > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >> that I >> > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, >> > so >> I >> > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >> use >> > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >> > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >> > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >> > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >> but >> > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >> I >> > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >> the >> > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >> all >> > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >> > visual field and acuity. >> > >> > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >> I >> > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >> > chosen. >> > >> > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >> > confidence >> > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >> > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >> devices, >> > and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >> > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >> > we >> > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >> > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >> > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >> students >> > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >> > activities >> > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >> saw >> > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >> were >> > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >> talk," >> > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >> led >> > to self-awareness and confidence building. >> > >> > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >> skills >> > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >> > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >> by >> > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >> > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >> > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >> responsible >> > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >> had >> > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >> they >> > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us >> > at >> a >> > distance while we were in the environment. >> > >> > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >> end >> > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >> > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >> > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >> > They >> > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >> center >> > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >> a >> > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >> > but >> it >> > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >> dining >> > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >> > navigate >> > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >> > counter-clockwise direction. >> > >> > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >> it >> > is not the very best option available. >> > >> > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >> > >> > Justin >> > >> > >> > >> > Justin M. Salisbury >> > Undergraduate Student >> > The University Honors Program >> > East Carolina University >> > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >> > >> > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >> change >> > the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -MARGARET MEAD >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gma il.com >> > >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.e du >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co m > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai l.com From catherine.1966 at yahoo.com Mon Aug 15 00:28:24 2011 From: catherine.1966 at yahoo.com (Catherine Newman) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 17:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [nabs-l] GETTING A DRIVER? Message-ID: <1313368104.1130.YahooMailNeo@web46412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Good Evening All! I am starting my internship this fall and will be needing to get a driver.  I need suggestions on how to get a driver, what I should pay, and what to look for when selecting a driver.  Your comments would be greatly helpful. Catherine Newman From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 01:02:45 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:02:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind In-Reply-To: <4e4856f2.41cce00a.640e.58c7@mx.google.com> References: <4e4856f2.41cce00a.640e.58c7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Arielle and Rania, Thank you so much! That helps a lot! Rania, what did you like at BISM? Was Loretta White the youth services director when you went? She was when I went for Kids Camp, and I had some bad experiences there. Chris On 8/14/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: > Bism was a good center as well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Arielle Silverman > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 6:16 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > > Hi all, > When deciding which training center to go to, there are lots of > factors to consider. Training centers differ in what skills they teach > and how they teach them (i.e. with or without sleepshades) and it's > important to evaluate their teaching philosophies to determine which > one is best for you. However, there's another dimension that sometimes > gets missed and that's the "feel" of the center-and in particular how > the staff feel about their students and their jobs. This is one area > where I think NFB likely beats them all. I went through the adult > program at LCB and I've talked to lots of students and staff at CCB > and BLIND, Inc. and it's clear that with few exceptions, the staff at > all three of our centers (1) love their jobs and (2) actually care > about their students. These things seem obvious, but you'd be > surprised. When I was growing up I went to a local day summer program > for blind kids. This wasn't a center per se, but they had lots of > social activities for the kids and attempted to teach some skills, > like assistive tech. Anyway, I remember overhearing staff members at > this program talking to each other about how they couldn't wait for > the program to end or to get time off. Staff were often irritable and > got frustrated with kids who cried or got upset or kids with > intellectual disabilities who took longer to catch on. Furthermore, it > was made clear the adults were in charge and attempts by kids to > mentor other kids were discouraged. I liked the program because of all > the friends I made there, but the attitudes of the staff always got to > me. I was quickly impressed when I got to LCB, and even before that > when I worked one of the kids' science camps at the Jernigan > Institute, by how patient and loving and dedicated our teachers are. I > recall one of the LCB instructors waiting a half-hour past closing > time for a student to find her way to the classroom door on her own. > This is an easy task for many of us, but for someone who has always > been guided without a cane it can be very challenging. The teacher > could have just guided her to speed things up or yelled at her for not > being independent enough, which is probably what would have happened > at my old summer camp, but he didn't. He was willing to spend the > extra time so a student could learn a new skill and gain confidence. > It is clear the instructors at the centers are not just working there > for a paycheck. Many of them will talk freely and sincerely about how > much they enjoy their jobs, but it is also apparent in their demeanor > and actions. Even though I graduated from LCB in 2008, my instructors > still come up and hug me and ask how I've been when I see them at > convention or Washington Seminar, and they do so for other students as > well. I think this kind of affection and genuine caring is really > important. It helps students trust their teachers and be willing to > take on challenging assignments, and it helps the teachers trust their > students enough to give them those challenges. I think the warmth, > positivity, and belief our instructors have in their students is the > real ingredient that makes our centers so exceptional-even more so > than the curriculum. > Arielle > > On 8/14/11, David Dodge wrote: >> Chris, >> I have visited the Louisiana Center before and know several people that > have >> gone there. Generally, they describe it as one of the most extraordinary >> experiences. >> >> When I visited the staff was very kind and full of information. They are >> proud of what they do there. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> State University of New York Student Assembly >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:50 AM, chris nusbaum >> wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >>> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >>> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >>> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >>> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >>> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >>> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >>> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >>> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >>> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >>> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >>> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >>> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> > Hello Justin and everyone, >>> > >>> > For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the > Carroll >>> > Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >>> > saw >>> > the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >>> > What >>> > can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>> "Dying." >>> > If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>> need >>> > once and it will last you a life time. >>> > >>> > Peter Donahue >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>> > To: >>> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>> > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> > >>> > >>> > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >>> with >>> > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>> > >>> > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>> > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience > with >>> all >>> > of the other students involved. If only considering the social >>> > frontier, >>> I >>> > highly recommend it. >>> > >>> > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>> Real >>> > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>> experience >>> > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>> that I >>> > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, >>> > so >>> I >>> > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >>> use >>> > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>> > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>> > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during > O&M >>> > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >>> but >>> > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >>> I >>> > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>> the >>> > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will > learn >>> all >>> > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a > stable >>> > visual field and acuity. >>> > >>> > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was > before >>> I >>> > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>> > chosen. >>> > >>> > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >>> > confidence >>> > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >>> > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>> devices, >>> > and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >>> > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >>> > we >>> > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >>> > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>> > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>> students >>> > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >>> > activities >>> > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >>> saw >>> > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>> were >>> > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>> talk," >>> > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >>> led >>> > to self-awareness and confidence building. >>> > >>> > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>> skills >>> > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>> > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >>> by >>> > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>> > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different > students >>> > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>> responsible >>> > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>> had >>> > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >>> they >>> > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us >>> > at >>> a >>> > distance while we were in the environment. >>> > >>> > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at > the >>> end >>> > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. > They >>> > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>> > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >>> > They >>> > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>> center >>> > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live > in >>> a >>> > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >>> > but >>> it >>> > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>> dining >>> > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >>> > navigate >>> > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>> > counter-clockwise direction. >>> > >>> > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, > but >>> it >>> > is not the very best option available. >>> > >>> > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>> > >>> > Justin >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Justin M. Salisbury >>> > Undergraduate Student >>> > The University Honors Program >>> > East Carolina University >>> > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> > >>> > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> > the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -MARGARET > MEAD >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. > com >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gma > il.com >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.e > du >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co > m >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 01:14:52 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:14:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind In-Reply-To: References: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> <003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Hi David, Thank you! I'm not sure I'd want to go to LCB during the summer, as I think the weather would be way too hot... middle of July, Louissianna, you know what I mean. I hear that Minnesota is cheaper than Colorado. So, which is better, in all of your opinions? Chris On 8/14/11, David Dodge wrote: > Chris, > I have visited the Louisiana Center before and know several people that have > gone there. Generally, they describe it as one of the most extraordinary > experiences. > > When I visited the staff was very kind and full of information. They are > proud of what they do there. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:50 AM, chris nusbaum > wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! >> >> Chris >> >> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> > Hello Justin and everyone, >> > >> > For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll >> > Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >> > saw >> > the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >> > What >> > can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >> "Dying." >> > If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >> need >> > once and it will last you a life time. >> > >> > Peter Donahue >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >> > To: >> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >> > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> > >> > >> > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >> with >> > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >> > >> > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >> > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >> all >> > of the other students involved. If only considering the social >> > frontier, >> I >> > highly recommend it. >> > >> > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >> Real >> > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >> experience >> > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >> that I >> > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, >> > so >> I >> > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >> use >> > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >> > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >> > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >> > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >> but >> > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >> I >> > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >> the >> > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >> all >> > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >> > visual field and acuity. >> > >> > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >> I >> > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >> > chosen. >> > >> > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >> > confidence >> > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >> > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >> devices, >> > and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >> > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >> > we >> > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >> > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >> > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >> students >> > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >> > activities >> > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >> saw >> > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >> were >> > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >> talk," >> > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >> led >> > to self-awareness and confidence building. >> > >> > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >> skills >> > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >> > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >> by >> > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >> > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >> > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >> responsible >> > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >> had >> > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >> they >> > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us >> > at >> a >> > distance while we were in the environment. >> > >> > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >> end >> > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >> > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >> > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >> > They >> > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >> center >> > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >> a >> > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >> > but >> it >> > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >> dining >> > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >> > navigate >> > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >> > counter-clockwise direction. >> > >> > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >> it >> > is not the very best option available. >> > >> > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >> > >> > Justin >> > >> > >> > >> > Justin M. Salisbury >> > Undergraduate Student >> > The University Honors Program >> > East Carolina University >> > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >> > >> > “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >> change >> > the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 01:28:58 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:28:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod In-Reply-To: <63388BE7B8104949A9573123DC8BF418@OwnerPC> References: <001601cc5ad4$2e1841d0$8a48c570$@com> <63388BE7B8104949A9573123DC8BF418@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Patrick, I have a Nano 5th generation, and it's totally accessible. That's the one I'd recommend for just music, but if you want something more, get an iPod Touch. Chris On 8/14/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > I have an Ipod shuffle and like its simplicity. No flat screen! The down > side is that it cannot hold as much music as a > Nano can. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aubrie Lucas > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 6:47 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible iPod > > Both JAWS 11 and 12 compatible with iTunes. I have the newest Nano, and like > it a lot better than all the Shuffles I've had. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Patrick Molloy > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 8:26 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod > > Hello everyone: > I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds > are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something > to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more > accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days? > (I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't > compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be > appreciated. > Thanks, > Patrick Molloy > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 01:37:41 2011 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:37:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind References: <4e4856f2.41cce00a.640e.58c7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I went to our state Rehab center here in Florida, where the mobility instructor said I couldn't do mobility, verses our local light house where the mobility teacher is teaching about street crossings, and you can tell he really enjoys what he does. RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > Hi Arielle and Rania, > > Thank you so much! That helps a lot! Rania, what did you like at BISM? > Was Loretta White the youth services director when you went? She was > when I went for Kids Camp, and I had some bad experiences there. > > Chris > > On 8/14/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >> Bism was a good center as well. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 6:16 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> >> Hi all, >> When deciding which training center to go to, there are lots of >> factors to consider. Training centers differ in what skills they teach >> and how they teach them (i.e. with or without sleepshades) and it's >> important to evaluate their teaching philosophies to determine which >> one is best for you. However, there's another dimension that sometimes >> gets missed and that's the "feel" of the center-and in particular how >> the staff feel about their students and their jobs. This is one area >> where I think NFB likely beats them all. I went through the adult >> program at LCB and I've talked to lots of students and staff at CCB >> and BLIND, Inc. and it's clear that with few exceptions, the staff at >> all three of our centers (1) love their jobs and (2) actually care >> about their students. These things seem obvious, but you'd be >> surprised. When I was growing up I went to a local day summer program >> for blind kids. This wasn't a center per se, but they had lots of >> social activities for the kids and attempted to teach some skills, >> like assistive tech. Anyway, I remember overhearing staff members at >> this program talking to each other about how they couldn't wait for >> the program to end or to get time off. Staff were often irritable and >> got frustrated with kids who cried or got upset or kids with >> intellectual disabilities who took longer to catch on. Furthermore, it >> was made clear the adults were in charge and attempts by kids to >> mentor other kids were discouraged. I liked the program because of all >> the friends I made there, but the attitudes of the staff always got to >> me. I was quickly impressed when I got to LCB, and even before that >> when I worked one of the kids' science camps at the Jernigan >> Institute, by how patient and loving and dedicated our teachers are. I >> recall one of the LCB instructors waiting a half-hour past closing >> time for a student to find her way to the classroom door on her own. >> This is an easy task for many of us, but for someone who has always >> been guided without a cane it can be very challenging. The teacher >> could have just guided her to speed things up or yelled at her for not >> being independent enough, which is probably what would have happened >> at my old summer camp, but he didn't. He was willing to spend the >> extra time so a student could learn a new skill and gain confidence. >> It is clear the instructors at the centers are not just working there >> for a paycheck. Many of them will talk freely and sincerely about how >> much they enjoy their jobs, but it is also apparent in their demeanor >> and actions. Even though I graduated from LCB in 2008, my instructors >> still come up and hug me and ask how I've been when I see them at >> convention or Washington Seminar, and they do so for other students as >> well. I think this kind of affection and genuine caring is really >> important. It helps students trust their teachers and be willing to >> take on challenging assignments, and it helps the teachers trust their >> students enough to give them those challenges. I think the warmth, >> positivity, and belief our instructors have in their students is the >> real ingredient that makes our centers so exceptional-even more so >> than the curriculum. >> Arielle >> >> On 8/14/11, David Dodge wrote: >>> Chris, >>> I have visited the Louisiana Center before and know several people that >> have >>> gone there. Generally, they describe it as one of the most extraordinary >>> experiences. >>> >>> When I visited the staff was very kind and full of information. They are >>> proud of what they do there. >>> >>> David >>> ---------------------------------- >>> David Dodge >>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:50 AM, chris nusbaum >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >>>> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >>>> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >>>> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >>>> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >>>> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >>>> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >>>> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >>>> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >>>> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >>>> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >>>> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >>>> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> > Hello Justin and everyone, >>>> > >>>> > For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the >> Carroll >>>> > Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >>>> > saw >>>> > the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >>>> > What >>>> > can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>>> "Dying." >>>> > If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>>> need >>>> > once and it will last you a life time. >>>> > >>>> > Peter Donahue >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>>> > To: >>>> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>>> > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive >>>> > summers >>>> with >>>> > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>>> > >>>> > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, >>>> > an >>>> > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience >> with >>>> all >>>> > of the other students involved. If only considering the social >>>> > frontier, >>>> I >>>> > highly recommend it. >>>> > >>>> > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>>> Real >>>> > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>>> experience >>>> > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>>> that I >>>> > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in >>>> > 2005, >>>> > so >>>> I >>>> > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me >>>> > to >>>> use >>>> > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>>> > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do >>>> > everything >>>> > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during >> O&M >>>> > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great >>>> > things, >>>> but >>>> > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things >>>> > non-visually. >>>> I >>>> > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center >>>> > for >>>> the >>>> > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will >> learn >>>> all >>>> > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a >> stable >>>> > visual field and acuity. >>>> > >>>> > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was >> before >>>> I >>>> > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>>> > chosen. >>>> > >>>> > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >>>> > confidence >>>> > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to >>>> > do >>>> > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>>> devices, >>>> > and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught >>>> > us >>>> > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. >>>> > If >>>> > we >>>> > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and >>>> > suggest >>>> > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class >>>> > called >>>> > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>>> students >>>> > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >>>> > activities >>>> > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We >>>> > also >>>> saw >>>> > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that >>>> > we >>>> were >>>> > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>>> talk," >>>> > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that >>>> > often >>>> led >>>> > to self-awareness and confidence building. >>>> > >>>> > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>>> skills >>>> > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, >>>> > we >>>> > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were >>>> > paid >>>> by >>>> > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>>> > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different >> students >>>> > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>>> responsible >>>> > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. >>>> > We >>>> had >>>> > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, >>>> > so >>>> they >>>> > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched >>>> > us >>>> > at >>>> a >>>> > distance while we were in the environment. >>>> > >>>> > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at >> the >>>> end >>>> > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. >> They >>>> > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>>> > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >>>> > They >>>> > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>>> center >>>> > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live >> in >>>> a >>>> > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >>>> > but >>>> it >>>> > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>>> dining >>>> > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >>>> > navigate >>>> > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>>> > counter-clockwise direction. >>>> > >>>> > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, >> but >>>> it >>>> > is not the very best option available. >>>> > >>>> > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>>> > >>>> > Justin >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Justin M. Salisbury >>>> > Undergraduate Student >>>> > The University Honors Program >>>> > East Carolina University >>>> > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>>> > >>>> > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>>> change >>>> > the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -MARGARET >> MEAD >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. >> com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gma >> il.com >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>>> >>>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>>> >>>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>>> >>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.e >> du >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co >> m >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >> l.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Aug 15 01:43:54 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 20:43:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GETTING A DRIVER? In-Reply-To: <1313368104.1130.YahooMailNeo@web46412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1313368104.1130.YahooMailNeo@web46412.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Katherine, here are some suggestions. I'm in college, and will have to get a ride home, after a night class, again. I will tell you, from experience, what you can try. #1. When looking for a driver, you need someone that's competent. #2. How much is gas, to and from where you're going? You'd pay them for the gas, to, and from your job. I've had classmates give me rides home, and they wouldn't take the money, but this is a driver, to work, and not a school-related job. Maybe, if you aren't the only intern, ask another to give you a ride, and offer to pay for the gas. Hope this helps. For more info, you can E-mail me off list. Blessings, Joshua On 8/14/11, Catherine Newman wrote: > Good Evening All! > I am starting my internship this fall and will be needing to get a driver. > I need suggestions on how to get a driver, what I should pay, and what to > look for when selecting a driver. Your comments would be greatly helpful. > Catherine Newman > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 02:03:52 2011 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:03:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod In-Reply-To: References: <001601cc5ad4$2e1841d0$8a48c570$@com> <63388BE7B8104949A9573123DC8BF418@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Thanks for your help everyone. I've decided on an iPod Nano. Now that that decision is out of the way, are there any special JAWS scripts I will need to download? Patrick On 8/14/11, chris nusbaum wrote: > Hi Patrick, > > I have a Nano 5th generation, and it's totally accessible. That's the > one I'd recommend for just music, but if you want something more, get > an iPod Touch. > > Chris > > On 8/14/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >> I have an Ipod shuffle and like its simplicity. No flat screen! The down >> side is that it cannot hold as much music as a >> Nano can. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Aubrie Lucas >> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 6:47 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible iPod >> >> Both JAWS 11 and 12 compatible with iTunes. I have the newest Nano, and >> like >> it a lot better than all the Shuffles I've had. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Patrick Molloy >> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 8:26 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod >> >> Hello everyone: >> I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds >> are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something >> to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more >> accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days? >> (I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't >> compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be >> appreciated. >> Thanks, >> Patrick Molloy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 02:08:43 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:08:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] sending a message to all Gmail contacts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Lea, Thanks! For my purposes, I might just have to make a Google group. Chris On 8/14/11, Lea williams wrote: > I am not completely sure if you can do it in a way like you wish, > where you would click once and bamb all the emails are there to go, > but I think you would just have to check all the boxes. I have not > found any way of doing this anyhow. But that does not mean that there > is not a way to do it. > > On 8/14/11, chris nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I have a question for all Gmail users. Is there a way that I can send >> a message to all Gmail contacts at the same time? Is there some kind >> of "send to all" button like there is on my mom's Yahoo account? I'm >> asking because, as I posted last night, our business (Arianna's Art, >> Inc.) has created a new Gmail account where people can send us >> questions, feedback, orders, etc. We'd also like to create a contacts >> list for our Gmail account, and send out an email to all our contacts >> when we have a new announcement or a piece of news. So, can I do this >> in Gmail without Google group? If I can't do this with JAWS in Basic >> HTML mode, I'll just create a list on Google Groups. But, can I send >> one message to all contacts? Thanks! >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Aug 15 02:13:57 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:13:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind In-Reply-To: References: <4e4856f2.41cce00a.640e.58c7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Chris, Ah Loreta. I went there when she and Rosemary ran Wings, a teen program. Wings stood for winning independence now gaurantees success. Sorry to say that I really did not like BISM. I felt that they did not teach us much of anything. We were in the apartments as teens and did not know how to clean it and the food got spoiled in the fridge. My mom came up a few weekends and found spoiled hamburger in the fridge. I did what I could to clean the kitchen but my two apartment mates did not help out much! My roommate had a mental illness for real; she was on several meds for it. We should have learned to clean up the apartment at least. Yes there was a counselor and junior counselor there but she did not help or teach much, but the junior counselor did teach me to clean the bathroom. I can explain more off list. Whatever center you pick, visit it first and get a feel for how they act toward you and students and observe the living facilities. The BISM apartments appeared to be old! They needed new furniture and carpet to feel fresh. I had some vision and saw it was old and torn; and I could tell by walking around it needed to be refurnished. Contrast with Carroll center, it was very clean; the food was decent and nutritious in the cafeteria. I still had a roommate but she did not get into my stuff like the BISM roommate did. Carroll center staff ensured that we washed our clothes and made our beds and changed sheets. I felt the BISM staff could not have cared. Oh, and at BISM they made you pay for your laundry! I am serious. They made you pay a dollar for the washing machine and three quarters for the dryer! I guess they were trying to teach budgeting or something. At carroll center, we had a class period to do laundry; I did mine at night after they showed me how to use the machines; so I used my laundry period to fold and hang my clothes. At carroll center, if you needed help to make your bed, they provided that when you asked. They taught you how to change sheets; I am not saying they did this for you. At BISM's teen program, no one asked if we changed sheets or anything. They should have asked because not all teens understand the importance of changing sheets, whether sighted or blind. Cris, as you see I also had some bad experiences at BISM. I'd be interested to know what yours were, off list though. I think I enjoyed Carroll center's teen program, youth in transition, more than Bism's. I did not learn much at Carroll, but I felt the extra curricular activities and socialization made it meaningful. It reinforced some basic skills though in folding clothes, making my bed, and in the kitchen in cutting food. Some of the activities I most enjoyed at Carroll center were canoeing, beep ball and the field trips to the horse farm and Cape cod. I remember riding several horses there and they showed us how to comb the horse. Glad to know I'm not the only one who had issues at BISM. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: chris nusbaum Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind Hi Arielle and Rania, Thank you so much! That helps a lot! Rania, what did you like at BISM? Was Loretta White the youth services director when you went? She was when I went for Kids Camp, and I had some bad experiences there. Chris On 8/14/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: > Bism was a good center as well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Arielle Silverman > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 6:16 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > > Hi all, > When deciding which training center to go to, there are lots of > factors to consider. Training centers differ in what skills they teach > and how they teach them (i.e. with or without sleepshades) and it's > important to evaluate their teaching philosophies to determine which > one is best for you. However, there's another dimension that sometimes > gets missed and that's the "feel" of the center-and in particular how > the staff feel about their students and their jobs. This is one area > where I think NFB likely beats them all. I went through the adult > program at LCB and I've talked to lots of students and staff at CCB > and BLIND, Inc. and it's clear that with few exceptions, the staff at > all three of our centers (1) love their jobs and (2) actually care > about their students. These things seem obvious, but you'd be > surprised. When I was growing up I went to a local day summer program > for blind kids. This wasn't a center per se, but they had lots of > social activities for the kids and attempted to teach some skills, > like assistive tech. Anyway, I remember overhearing staff members at > this program talking to each other about how they couldn't wait for > the program to end or to get time off. Staff were often irritable and > got frustrated with kids who cried or got upset or kids with > intellectual disabilities who took longer to catch on. Furthermore, it > was made clear the adults were in charge and attempts by kids to > mentor other kids were discouraged. I liked the program because of all > the friends I made there, but the attitudes of the staff always got to > me. I was quickly impressed when I got to LCB, and even before that > when I worked one of the kids' science camps at the Jernigan > Institute, by how patient and loving and dedicated our teachers are. I > recall one of the LCB instructors waiting a half-hour past closing > time for a student to find her way to the classroom door on her own. > This is an easy task for many of us, but for someone who has always > been guided without a cane it can be very challenging. The teacher > could have just guided her to speed things up or yelled at her for not > being independent enough, which is probably what would have happened > at my old summer camp, but he didn't. He was willing to spend the > extra time so a student could learn a new skill and gain confidence. > It is clear the instructors at the centers are not just working there > for a paycheck. Many of them will talk freely and sincerely about how > much they enjoy their jobs, but it is also apparent in their demeanor > and actions. Even though I graduated from LCB in 2008, my instructors > still come up and hug me and ask how I've been when I see them at > convention or Washington Seminar, and they do so for other students as > well. I think this kind of affection and genuine caring is really > important. It helps students trust their teachers and be willing to > take on challenging assignments, and it helps the teachers trust their > students enough to give them those challenges. I think the warmth, > positivity, and belief our instructors have in their students is the > real ingredient that makes our centers so exceptional-even more so > than the curriculum. > Arielle > > On 8/14/11, David Dodge wrote: >> Chris, >> I have visited the Louisiana Center before and know several people that > have >> gone there. Generally, they describe it as one of the most extraordinary >> experiences. >> >> When I visited the staff was very kind and full of information. They are >> proud of what they do there. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> State University of New York Student Assembly >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:50 AM, chris nusbaum >> wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >>> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >>> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >>> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >>> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >>> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >>> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >>> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >>> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >>> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >>> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >>> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >>> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> > Hello Justin and everyone, >>> > >>> > For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the > Carroll >>> > Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >>> > saw >>> > the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >>> > What >>> > can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>> "Dying." >>> > If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>> need >>> > once and it will last you a life time. >>> > >>> > Peter Donahue >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>> > To: >>> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>> > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> > >>> > >>> > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive >>> > summers >>> with >>> > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>> > >>> > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>> > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience > with >>> all >>> > of the other students involved. If only considering the social >>> > frontier, >>> I >>> > highly recommend it. >>> > >>> > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>> Real >>> > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>> experience >>> > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>> that I >>> > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, >>> > so >>> I >>> > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me >>> > to >>> use >>> > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>> > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>> > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during > O&M >>> > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great >>> > things, >>> but >>> > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things >>> > non-visually. >>> I >>> > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>> the >>> > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will > learn >>> all >>> > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a > stable >>> > visual field and acuity. >>> > >>> > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was > before >>> I >>> > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>> > chosen. >>> > >>> > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >>> > confidence >>> > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to >>> > do >>> > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>> devices, >>> > and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught >>> > us >>> > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >>> > we >>> > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and >>> > suggest >>> > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>> > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>> students >>> > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >>> > activities >>> > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We >>> > also >>> saw >>> > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>> were >>> > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>> talk," >>> > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that >>> > often >>> led >>> > to self-awareness and confidence building. >>> > >>> > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>> skills >>> > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>> > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were >>> > paid >>> by >>> > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>> > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different > students >>> > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>> responsible >>> > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>> had >>> > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, >>> > so >>> they >>> > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us >>> > at >>> a >>> > distance while we were in the environment. >>> > >>> > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at > the >>> end >>> > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. > They >>> > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>> > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >>> > They >>> > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>> center >>> > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live > in >>> a >>> > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >>> > but >>> it >>> > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>> dining >>> > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >>> > navigate >>> > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>> > counter-clockwise direction. >>> > >>> > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, > but >>> it >>> > is not the very best option available. >>> > >>> > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>> > >>> > Justin >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Justin M. Salisbury >>> > Undergraduate Student >>> > The University Honors Program >>> > East Carolina University >>> > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> > >>> > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> > the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -MARGARET > MEAD >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. > com >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gma > il.com >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.e > du >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co > m >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Aug 15 02:24:34 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:24:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind In-Reply-To: References: <4e4856f2.41cce00a.640e.58c7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: RJ, You posted a while back about getting mobility from the lighthouse. I'm glad it worked out for you! So the instructor is actually teaching you about streets and getting around! If you have spatial deficits, sadly, some instructors think you cannot do mobility. Glad you found an instructor who will work with you. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: RJ Sandefur Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:37 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind I went to our state Rehab center here in Florida, where the mobility instructor said I couldn't do mobility, verses our local light house where the mobility teacher is teaching about street crossings, and you can tell he really enjoys what he does. RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > Hi Arielle and Rania, > > Thank you so much! That helps a lot! Rania, what did you like at BISM? > Was Loretta White the youth services director when you went? She was > when I went for Kids Camp, and I had some bad experiences there. > > Chris > > On 8/14/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >> Bism was a good center as well. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 6:16 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> >> Hi all, >> When deciding which training center to go to, there are lots of >> factors to consider. Training centers differ in what skills they teach >> and how they teach them (i.e. with or without sleepshades) and it's >> important to evaluate their teaching philosophies to determine which >> one is best for you. However, there's another dimension that sometimes >> gets missed and that's the "feel" of the center-and in particular how >> the staff feel about their students and their jobs. This is one area >> where I think NFB likely beats them all. I went through the adult >> program at LCB and I've talked to lots of students and staff at CCB >> and BLIND, Inc. and it's clear that with few exceptions, the staff at >> all three of our centers (1) love their jobs and (2) actually care >> about their students. These things seem obvious, but you'd be >> surprised. When I was growing up I went to a local day summer program >> for blind kids. This wasn't a center per se, but they had lots of >> social activities for the kids and attempted to teach some skills, >> like assistive tech. Anyway, I remember overhearing staff members at >> this program talking to each other about how they couldn't wait for >> the program to end or to get time off. Staff were often irritable and >> got frustrated with kids who cried or got upset or kids with >> intellectual disabilities who took longer to catch on. Furthermore, it >> was made clear the adults were in charge and attempts by kids to >> mentor other kids were discouraged. I liked the program because of all >> the friends I made there, but the attitudes of the staff always got to >> me. I was quickly impressed when I got to LCB, and even before that >> when I worked one of the kids' science camps at the Jernigan >> Institute, by how patient and loving and dedicated our teachers are. I >> recall one of the LCB instructors waiting a half-hour past closing >> time for a student to find her way to the classroom door on her own. >> This is an easy task for many of us, but for someone who has always >> been guided without a cane it can be very challenging. The teacher >> could have just guided her to speed things up or yelled at her for not >> being independent enough, which is probably what would have happened >> at my old summer camp, but he didn't. He was willing to spend the >> extra time so a student could learn a new skill and gain confidence. >> It is clear the instructors at the centers are not just working there >> for a paycheck. Many of them will talk freely and sincerely about how >> much they enjoy their jobs, but it is also apparent in their demeanor >> and actions. Even though I graduated from LCB in 2008, my instructors >> still come up and hug me and ask how I've been when I see them at >> convention or Washington Seminar, and they do so for other students as >> well. I think this kind of affection and genuine caring is really >> important. It helps students trust their teachers and be willing to >> take on challenging assignments, and it helps the teachers trust their >> students enough to give them those challenges. I think the warmth, >> positivity, and belief our instructors have in their students is the >> real ingredient that makes our centers so exceptional-even more so >> than the curriculum. >> Arielle >> >> On 8/14/11, David Dodge wrote: >>> Chris, >>> I have visited the Louisiana Center before and know several people that >> have >>> gone there. Generally, they describe it as one of the most extraordinary >>> experiences. >>> >>> When I visited the staff was very kind and full of information. They are >>> proud of what they do there. >>> >>> David >>> ---------------------------------- >>> David Dodge >>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:50 AM, chris nusbaum >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >>>> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >>>> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >>>> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >>>> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >>>> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >>>> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >>>> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >>>> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >>>> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >>>> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >>>> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >>>> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> > Hello Justin and everyone, >>>> > >>>> > For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the >> Carroll >>>> > Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >>>> > saw >>>> > the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >>>> > What >>>> > can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>>> "Dying." >>>> > If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>>> need >>>> > once and it will last you a life time. >>>> > >>>> > Peter Donahue >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>>> > To: >>>> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>>> > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive >>>> > summers >>>> with >>>> > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>>> > >>>> > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, >>>> > an >>>> > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience >> with >>>> all >>>> > of the other students involved. If only considering the social >>>> > frontier, >>>> I >>>> > highly recommend it. >>>> > >>>> > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>>> Real >>>> > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>>> experience >>>> > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>>> that I >>>> > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in >>>> > 2005, >>>> > so >>>> I >>>> > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me >>>> > to >>>> use >>>> > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>>> > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do >>>> > everything >>>> > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during >> O&M >>>> > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great >>>> > things, >>>> but >>>> > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things >>>> > non-visually. >>>> I >>>> > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center >>>> > for >>>> the >>>> > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will >> learn >>>> all >>>> > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a >> stable >>>> > visual field and acuity. >>>> > >>>> > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was >> before >>>> I >>>> > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>>> > chosen. >>>> > >>>> > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >>>> > confidence >>>> > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to >>>> > do >>>> > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>>> devices, >>>> > and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught >>>> > us >>>> > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >>>> > we >>>> > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and >>>> > suggest >>>> > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class >>>> > called >>>> > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>>> students >>>> > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >>>> > activities >>>> > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We >>>> > also >>>> saw >>>> > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that >>>> > we >>>> were >>>> > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>>> talk," >>>> > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that >>>> > often >>>> led >>>> > to self-awareness and confidence building. >>>> > >>>> > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>>> skills >>>> > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, >>>> > we >>>> > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were >>>> > paid >>>> by >>>> > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>>> > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different >> students >>>> > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>>> responsible >>>> > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>>> had >>>> > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, >>>> > so >>>> they >>>> > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched >>>> > us >>>> > at >>>> a >>>> > distance while we were in the environment. >>>> > >>>> > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at >> the >>>> end >>>> > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. >> They >>>> > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>>> > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >>>> > They >>>> > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>>> center >>>> > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live >> in >>>> a >>>> > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >>>> > but >>>> it >>>> > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>>> dining >>>> > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >>>> > navigate >>>> > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>>> > counter-clockwise direction. >>>> > >>>> > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, >> but >>>> it >>>> > is not the very best option available. >>>> > >>>> > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>>> > >>>> > Justin >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Justin M. Salisbury >>>> > Undergraduate Student >>>> > The University Honors Program >>>> > East Carolina University >>>> > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>>> > >>>> > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>>> change >>>> > the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -MARGARET >> MEAD >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. >> com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gma >> il.com >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>>> >>>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>>> >>>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>>> >>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.e >> du >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co >> m >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >> l.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Aug 15 02:26:27 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:26:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod In-Reply-To: References: <001601cc5ad4$2e1841d0$8a48c570$@com><63388BE7B8104949A9573123DC8BF418@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <65E001247E1747FE90B53B7D4CBCB808@OwnerPC> Chris, Can you tell us about the Nano? Is it a touch screen? How much music can it hold on it? If it has menus, how are they made accessible? I've thought about getting a nano. I have a shuffle now. I only want the music part, not the phone or wireless internet, so an Ipad or I phone would not be for me. -----Original Message----- From: chris nusbaum Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible iPod Hi Patrick, I have a Nano 5th generation, and it's totally accessible. That's the one I'd recommend for just music, but if you want something more, get an iPod Touch. Chris On 8/14/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > I have an Ipod shuffle and like its simplicity. No flat screen! The down > side is that it cannot hold as much music as a > Nano can. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aubrie Lucas > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 6:47 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible iPod > > Both JAWS 11 and 12 compatible with iTunes. I have the newest Nano, and > like > it a lot better than all the Shuffles I've had. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Patrick Molloy > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 8:26 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod > > Hello everyone: > I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds > are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something > to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more > accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days? > (I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't > compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be > appreciated. > Thanks, > Patrick Molloy > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From freespirit328 at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 03:19:33 2011 From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:19:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind References: <4e4856f2.41cce00a.640e.58c7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I was a student at the Carroll Center in 2008. I was there for five months while enrolled in the Transition program, which is an adult rehab program for students with multiple disabilities. The entire time I was there, the students who had some usable sight all wore sleep shades while in classes; I know because I heard them complain about it all the time. I absolutely loved it there and didn't want it to end. I made lots of friends and learned quite a bit...I even met my boyfriend there! I had mobility classes and personal management and communications too. Everything was individualized to my particular situation. In Communications I learned technology such as how to use Kurzweil and how to write with a slate and stylis. Mobility was spent trying to learn how to use a power wheelchair, but it just wasn't for me, so we focused on more orientation type things. A lot of cooking was done in personal management, and one class was focused on applying make-up, but I really don't wear it, so I kind of forgot a lot of the techniques. Nights were spent visiting the other students at the dorm (The tech center was much more wheelchair accessible) and we went shopping or sometimes a mobility lesson was for me to go to the hair dresser on the ride bus independently. Like I said it was all designed to my particular needs. Jen ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ Shop my store for the latest and greatest in beauty and wellness products! www.youravon.com/jaberdeen Jennifer Aberdeen, AVON Independent Sales Representative freespirit328 at gmail.com 401-644-5607 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rania Ismail CMT" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > Bism was a good center as well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Arielle Silverman > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 6:16 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > > Hi all, > When deciding which training center to go to, there are lots of > factors to consider. Training centers differ in what skills they teach > and how they teach them (i.e. with or without sleepshades) and it's > important to evaluate their teaching philosophies to determine which > one is best for you. However, there's another dimension that sometimes > gets missed and that's the "feel" of the center-and in particular how > the staff feel about their students and their jobs. This is one area > where I think NFB likely beats them all. I went through the adult > program at LCB and I've talked to lots of students and staff at CCB > and BLIND, Inc. and it's clear that with few exceptions, the staff at > all three of our centers (1) love their jobs and (2) actually care > about their students. These things seem obvious, but you'd be > surprised. When I was growing up I went to a local day summer program > for blind kids. This wasn't a center per se, but they had lots of > social activities for the kids and attempted to teach some skills, > like assistive tech. Anyway, I remember overhearing staff members at > this program talking to each other about how they couldn't wait for > the program to end or to get time off. Staff were often irritable and > got frustrated with kids who cried or got upset or kids with > intellectual disabilities who took longer to catch on. Furthermore, it > was made clear the adults were in charge and attempts by kids to > mentor other kids were discouraged. I liked the program because of all > the friends I made there, but the attitudes of the staff always got to > me. I was quickly impressed when I got to LCB, and even before that > when I worked one of the kids' science camps at the Jernigan > Institute, by how patient and loving and dedicated our teachers are. I > recall one of the LCB instructors waiting a half-hour past closing > time for a student to find her way to the classroom door on her own. > This is an easy task for many of us, but for someone who has always > been guided without a cane it can be very challenging. The teacher > could have just guided her to speed things up or yelled at her for not > being independent enough, which is probably what would have happened > at my old summer camp, but he didn't. He was willing to spend the > extra time so a student could learn a new skill and gain confidence. > It is clear the instructors at the centers are not just working there > for a paycheck. Many of them will talk freely and sincerely about how > much they enjoy their jobs, but it is also apparent in their demeanor > and actions. Even though I graduated from LCB in 2008, my instructors > still come up and hug me and ask how I've been when I see them at > convention or Washington Seminar, and they do so for other students as > well. I think this kind of affection and genuine caring is really > important. It helps students trust their teachers and be willing to > take on challenging assignments, and it helps the teachers trust their > students enough to give them those challenges. I think the warmth, > positivity, and belief our instructors have in their students is the > real ingredient that makes our centers so exceptional-even more so > than the curriculum. > Arielle > > On 8/14/11, David Dodge wrote: >> Chris, >> I have visited the Louisiana Center before and know several people that > have >> gone there. Generally, they describe it as one of the most extraordinary >> experiences. >> >> When I visited the staff was very kind and full of information. They are >> proud of what they do there. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> State University of New York Student Assembly >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:50 AM, chris nusbaum >> wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >>> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >>> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >>> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >>> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >>> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >>> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >>> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >>> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >>> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >>> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >>> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >>> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> > Hello Justin and everyone, >>> > >>> > For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the > Carroll >>> > Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >>> > saw >>> > the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >>> > What >>> > can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>> "Dying." >>> > If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>> need >>> > once and it will last you a life time. >>> > >>> > Peter Donahue >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>> > To: >>> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>> > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> > >>> > >>> > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive >>> > summers >>> with >>> > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>> > >>> > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>> > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience > with >>> all >>> > of the other students involved. If only considering the social >>> > frontier, >>> I >>> > highly recommend it. >>> > >>> > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>> Real >>> > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>> experience >>> > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>> that I >>> > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, >>> > so >>> I >>> > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me >>> > to >>> use >>> > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>> > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>> > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during > O&M >>> > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great >>> > things, >>> but >>> > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things >>> > non-visually. >>> I >>> > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>> the >>> > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will > learn >>> all >>> > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a > stable >>> > visual field and acuity. >>> > >>> > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was > before >>> I >>> > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>> > chosen. >>> > >>> > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >>> > confidence >>> > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to >>> > do >>> > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>> devices, >>> > and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught >>> > us >>> > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >>> > we >>> > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and >>> > suggest >>> > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>> > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>> students >>> > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >>> > activities >>> > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We >>> > also >>> saw >>> > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>> were >>> > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>> talk," >>> > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that >>> > often >>> led >>> > to self-awareness and confidence building. >>> > >>> > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>> skills >>> > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>> > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were >>> > paid >>> by >>> > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>> > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different > students >>> > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>> responsible >>> > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>> had >>> > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, >>> > so >>> they >>> > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us >>> > at >>> a >>> > distance while we were in the environment. >>> > >>> > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at > the >>> end >>> > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. > They >>> > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>> > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >>> > They >>> > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>> center >>> > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live > in >>> a >>> > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >>> > but >>> it >>> > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>> dining >>> > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >>> > navigate >>> > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>> > counter-clockwise direction. >>> > >>> > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, > but >>> it >>> > is not the very best option available. >>> > >>> > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>> > >>> > Justin >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Justin M. Salisbury >>> > Undergraduate Student >>> > The University Honors Program >>> > East Carolina University >>> > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> > >>> > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> > the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -MARGARET > MEAD >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. > com >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gma > il.com >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.e > du >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co > m >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freespirit328%40gmail.com > From dreami.eyes at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 03:50:47 2011 From: dreami.eyes at gmail.com (Nell Orlowski) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:50:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod In-Reply-To: <65E001247E1747FE90B53B7D4CBCB808@OwnerPC> References: <001601cc5ad4$2e1841d0$8a48c570$@com><63388BE7B8104949A9573123DC8BF418@OwnerPC> <65E001247E1747FE90B53B7D4CBCB808@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <08fc01cc5afe$85b75780$91260680$@gmail.com> I really like apple's Ipod because it its accessible. There ipods are touch screne. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible iPod Chris, Can you tell us about the Nano? Is it a touch screen? How much music can it hold on it? If it has menus, how are they made accessible? I've thought about getting a nano. I have a shuffle now. I only want the music part, not the phone or wireless internet, so an Ipad or I phone would not be for me. -----Original Message----- From: chris nusbaum Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible iPod Hi Patrick, I have a Nano 5th generation, and it's totally accessible. That's the one I'd recommend for just music, but if you want something more, get an iPod Touch. Chris On 8/14/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > I have an Ipod shuffle and like its simplicity. No flat screen! The > down side is that it cannot hold as much music as a Nano can. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aubrie Lucas > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 6:47 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible iPod > > Both JAWS 11 and 12 compatible with iTunes. I have the newest Nano, > and like it a lot better than all the Shuffles I've had. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Patrick Molloy > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 8:26 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod > > Hello everyone: > I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds > are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something > to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more > accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days? > (I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't > compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be > appreciated. > Thanks, > Patrick Molloy > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gm > ail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40 > earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum > %40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl ink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dreami.eyes%40gmail. com From carter.tjoseph at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 04:10:13 2011 From: carter.tjoseph at gmail.com (T. Joseph Carter) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:10:13 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] sending a message to all Gmail contacts? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110815041012.GA70572@yumi.bluecherry.net> As a person who has very carefully written rules to deal with others who tend to send messages to everybody they know, please DON’T. Anyone who has ever sent you an email is likely a GMail contact, and absolutely anybody you’ve ever sent an email to automatically is. It sounds harsh—and it really isn’t meant to be I promise—but there is truly nothing you, I, or absolutely anybody for that matter could possibly have to say that anybody we have ever exchanged an email with could possibly care to read. It doesn’t matter if it’s funny (odds are, at least a third of the people you’re sending it to have seen it already or don’t get the joke), an important announcement (just as many aren’t interested, don’t care, or have no idea what you’re talking about), or even if it was a message telling everyone that the world was literally coming to an end in 24 hours and you have positive proof (90% of your list will not believe you and think you’re out of your mind.) I’m thinking of one person in particular right now. He and I exchange emails now and then that are important, so I haven’t consigned all of his mail automatically to the bitbucket. But most of his emails are jokes (which largely aren’t as funny as he thinks) or political news I’ve already heard about. Basically, any message of his that goes to six or more people, I now automatically delete, and others have told me that his emails really annoy the crap out of them. Truly, just do everyone you know a favor and don’t go down that road. Friendly advice, possibly worth no more than what you paid for it, Joseph - KF7QZC On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:32:38AM -0400, chris nusbaum wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I have a question for all Gmail users. Is there a way that I can send >a message to all Gmail contacts at the same time? Is there some kind >of "send to all" button like there is on my mom's Yahoo account? I'm >asking because, as I posted last night, our business (Arianna's Art, >Inc.) has created a new Gmail account where people can send us >questions, feedback, orders, etc. We'd also like to create a contacts >list for our Gmail account, and send out an email to all our contacts >when we have a new announcement or a piece of news. So, can I do this >in Gmail without Google group? If I can't do this with JAWS in Basic >HTML mode, I'll just create a list on Google Groups. But, can I send >one message to all contacts? Thanks! > >-- >Chris Nusbaum > >Sales and Advertising Coordinator > >Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > >Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > >Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com From metalgod1030 at inbox.com Mon Aug 15 05:23:58 2011 From: metalgod1030 at inbox.com (Alexander Kaiser) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 01:23:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Conklin Center for the Blind, Lighthouse of Broward, and division of blind services Rehabilitation Center for the Blind and Visually Impaired question Message-ID: <65B2A29F40A64B51B74E747BA81D58D2@1x3pqn1> Attention All blind Floridians, Hi my name is Alexander Kaiser. I would like to find out experiential opinions on recent attendees of the Conklin Center for the Blind, recent attendees of the Lighthouse of broward and recent attendees of the Florida division of blind services Rehabilitation Center for the blind and Visually Impaired . I also would like to have a good consensus of each center because I will be attending the Conklin Center for the Blind within the next 6 months. Please write back as immediately as possible. My email address is AScottKaiser90 at inbox.com. I can be contacted off list on my cell phone at 9 7 3 5 2 5 8 0 9 6. Sincerely, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser ____________________________________________________________ FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks & orcas on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/marineaquarium From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Aug 15 11:01:57 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:01:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Conklin Center for the Blind, Lighthouse of Broward, and division of blind services Rehabilitation Center for the Blindand Visually Impaired question In-Reply-To: <65B2A29F40A64B51B74E747BA81D58D2@1x3pqn1> References: <65B2A29F40A64B51B74E747BA81D58D2@1x3pqn1> Message-ID: This question was asked before. Not again. groan. -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Kaiser Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:23 AM To: nfbf-l at nfbnet.org ; fabs at nfbnet.org ; nabs-l at nfbnet.org ; nfb-talk at nfbnet.org ; blindtlk at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Conklin Center for the Blind, Lighthouse of Broward,and division of blind services Rehabilitation Center for the Blindand Visually Impaired question Attention All blind Floridians, Hi my name is Alexander Kaiser. I would like to find out experiential opinions on recent attendees of the Conklin Center for the Blind, recent attendees of the Lighthouse of broward and recent attendees of the Florida division of blind services Rehabilitation Center for the blind and Visually Impaired . I also would like to have a good consensus of each center because I will be attending the Conklin Center for the Blind within the next 6 months. Please write back as immediately as possible. My email address is AScottKaiser90 at inbox.com. I can be contacted off list on my cell phone at 9 7 3 5 2 5 8 0 9 6. Sincerely, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser ____________________________________________________________ FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks & orcas on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/marineaquarium _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Aug 15 11:05:38 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:05:38 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind In-Reply-To: References: <4e4856f2.41cce00a.640e.58c7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8479AAA6CCF04C9B87B3CA37A4611E8C@OwnerPC> Jen, thanks for sharing. Yes several students wear sleep shades; it depends on your situation. If your vision is unstable or deterroiting, they ask you to use them; but it is not a blanket policy. Maybe we chat off list more. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer Aberdeen Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 11:19 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind Hi all, I was a student at the Carroll Center in 2008. I was there for five months while enrolled in the Transition program, which is an adult rehab program for students with multiple disabilities. The entire time I was there, the students who had some usable sight all wore sleep shades while in classes; I know because I heard them complain about it all the time. I absolutely loved it there and didn't want it to end. I made lots of friends and learned quite a bit...I even met my boyfriend there! I had mobility classes and personal management and communications too. Everything was individualized to my particular situation. In Communications I learned technology such as how to use Kurzweil and how to write with a slate and stylis. Mobility was spent trying to learn how to use a power wheelchair, but it just wasn't for me, so we focused on more orientation type things. A lot of cooking was done in personal management, and one class was focused on applying make-up, but I really don't wear it, so I kind of forgot a lot of the techniques. Nights were spent visiting the other students at the dorm (The tech center was much more wheelchair accessible) and we went shopping or sometimes a mobility lesson was for me to go to the hair dresser on the ride bus independently. Like I said it was all designed to my particular needs. Jen ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ Shop my store for the latest and greatest in beauty and wellness products! www.youravon.com/jaberdeen Jennifer Aberdeen, AVON Independent Sales Representative freespirit328 at gmail.com 401-644-5607 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rania Ismail CMT" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > Bism was a good center as well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Arielle Silverman > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 6:16 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > > Hi all, > When deciding which training center to go to, there are lots of > factors to consider. Training centers differ in what skills they teach > and how they teach them (i.e. with or without sleepshades) and it's > important to evaluate their teaching philosophies to determine which > one is best for you. However, there's another dimension that sometimes > gets missed and that's the "feel" of the center-and in particular how > the staff feel about their students and their jobs. This is one area > where I think NFB likely beats them all. I went through the adult > program at LCB and I've talked to lots of students and staff at CCB > and BLIND, Inc. and it's clear that with few exceptions, the staff at > all three of our centers (1) love their jobs and (2) actually care > about their students. These things seem obvious, but you'd be > surprised. When I was growing up I went to a local day summer program > for blind kids. This wasn't a center per se, but they had lots of > social activities for the kids and attempted to teach some skills, > like assistive tech. Anyway, I remember overhearing staff members at > this program talking to each other about how they couldn't wait for > the program to end or to get time off. Staff were often irritable and > got frustrated with kids who cried or got upset or kids with > intellectual disabilities who took longer to catch on. Furthermore, it > was made clear the adults were in charge and attempts by kids to > mentor other kids were discouraged. I liked the program because of all > the friends I made there, but the attitudes of the staff always got to > me. I was quickly impressed when I got to LCB, and even before that > when I worked one of the kids' science camps at the Jernigan > Institute, by how patient and loving and dedicated our teachers are. I > recall one of the LCB instructors waiting a half-hour past closing > time for a student to find her way to the classroom door on her own. > This is an easy task for many of us, but for someone who has always > been guided without a cane it can be very challenging. The teacher > could have just guided her to speed things up or yelled at her for not > being independent enough, which is probably what would have happened > at my old summer camp, but he didn't. He was willing to spend the > extra time so a student could learn a new skill and gain confidence. > It is clear the instructors at the centers are not just working there > for a paycheck. Many of them will talk freely and sincerely about how > much they enjoy their jobs, but it is also apparent in their demeanor > and actions. Even though I graduated from LCB in 2008, my instructors > still come up and hug me and ask how I've been when I see them at > convention or Washington Seminar, and they do so for other students as > well. I think this kind of affection and genuine caring is really > important. It helps students trust their teachers and be willing to > take on challenging assignments, and it helps the teachers trust their > students enough to give them those challenges. I think the warmth, > positivity, and belief our instructors have in their students is the > real ingredient that makes our centers so exceptional-even more so > than the curriculum. > Arielle > > On 8/14/11, David Dodge wrote: >> Chris, >> I have visited the Louisiana Center before and know several people that > have >> gone there. Generally, they describe it as one of the most extraordinary >> experiences. >> >> When I visited the staff was very kind and full of information. They are >> proud of what they do there. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> State University of New York Student Assembly >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:50 AM, chris nusbaum >> wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >>> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >>> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >>> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >>> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >>> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >>> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >>> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >>> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >>> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >>> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >>> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >>> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> > Hello Justin and everyone, >>> > >>> > For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the > Carroll >>> > Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >>> > saw >>> > the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >>> > What >>> > can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>> "Dying." >>> > If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>> need >>> > once and it will last you a life time. >>> > >>> > Peter Donahue >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>> > To: >>> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>> > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> > >>> > >>> > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive >>> > summers >>> with >>> > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>> > >>> > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>> > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience > with >>> all >>> > of the other students involved. If only considering the social >>> > frontier, >>> I >>> > highly recommend it. >>> > >>> > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>> Real >>> > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>> experience >>> > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>> that I >>> > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, >>> > so >>> I >>> > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me >>> > to >>> use >>> > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>> > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>> > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during > O&M >>> > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great >>> > things, >>> but >>> > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things >>> > non-visually. >>> I >>> > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>> the >>> > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will > learn >>> all >>> > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a > stable >>> > visual field and acuity. >>> > >>> > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was > before >>> I >>> > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>> > chosen. >>> > >>> > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >>> > confidence >>> > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to >>> > do >>> > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>> devices, >>> > and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught >>> > us >>> > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >>> > we >>> > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and >>> > suggest >>> > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>> > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>> students >>> > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >>> > activities >>> > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We >>> > also >>> saw >>> > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>> were >>> > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>> talk," >>> > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that >>> > often >>> led >>> > to self-awareness and confidence building. >>> > >>> > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>> skills >>> > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>> > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were >>> > paid >>> by >>> > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>> > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different > students >>> > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>> responsible >>> > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>> had >>> > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, >>> > so >>> they >>> > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us >>> > at >>> a >>> > distance while we were in the environment. >>> > >>> > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at > the >>> end >>> > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. > They >>> > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>> > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >>> > They >>> > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>> center >>> > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live > in >>> a >>> > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >>> > but >>> it >>> > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>> dining >>> > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >>> > navigate >>> > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>> > counter-clockwise direction. >>> > >>> > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, > but >>> it >>> > is not the very best option available. >>> > >>> > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>> > >>> > Justin >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Justin M. Salisbury >>> > Undergraduate Student >>> > The University Honors Program >>> > East Carolina University >>> > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> > >>> > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> > the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -MARGARET > MEAD >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. > com >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gma > il.com >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.e > du >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co > m >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freespirit328%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 11:07:53 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 05:07:53 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog Message-ID: <4e48fe29.a1beec0a.11c2.3113@mx.google.com> Hi, all. Here's what I think of Thunder Dog so far. Let's just say this is a great story. There's a lot of great topics overed by the author in the story. I haven't finished the book yet, but so far, it seems as though Michael and Roselle are the perfect pair for the time they are stuck in at the portion of the book I'm in. You guys were right. It's a wonderful story, but I haven't even reached the book's end. Look for a full review after I've read the book. Also, don't forget to vote. Beth From z.dreicer at emissives.com Mon Aug 15 12:31:12 2011 From: z.dreicer at emissives.com (dreicer, zachary) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 06:31:12 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind References: Message-ID: <8D0A7B19F7E44CE8ABA71AD513124EC9@LASCHOOLS.LOCAL> I only have experience w/ the long distance training program, and you can contact me if you desire at Zach at chickerland.com (I am cancelling this address soon) Sent from the HP Laptop. Email: ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dodge" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 9:20 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind > Hello Everyone, > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind in > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific > center? > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/z.dreicer%40emissives.com From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 14:27:00 2011 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:27:00 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind In-Reply-To: <8479AAA6CCF04C9B87B3CA37A4611E8C@OwnerPC> References: <4e4856f2.41cce00a.640e.58c7@mx.google.com> <8479AAA6CCF04C9B87B3CA37A4611E8C@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Ashley, This is a little thing, I don't want to make it a big deal, but most apartments I've seen make you pay for your laundry. Well, a lot of them do, anyway. Which really sucked for me cause I didn't like to iron so I had to pay extra for the dang drier...that's another story I guess. I'm actually at my state training center right now and it's great! They have anyone with any usable vission wear sleep shades, the instructors are really high quality (lots of them went to NFB centers and the ones who didn't still mostly have really high expectations and know what they're teaching), and it's still close enough to home I can finish up the online classes I'm working on. I guess all I'm trying to say is there are plenty of good state agencies (along with a lot of bad ones), so that can be a viable option depending on where you live. HTH, Kirt On 8/15/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Jen, > thanks for sharing. Yes several students wear sleep shades; it depends on > your situation. If your vision is unstable > or deterroiting, they ask you to use them; but it is not a blanket policy. > Maybe we chat off list more. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jennifer Aberdeen > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 11:19 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > > Hi all, > > I was a student at the Carroll Center in 2008. I was there for five months > while enrolled in the Transition program, which is an adult rehab program > for students with multiple disabilities. > > The entire time I was there, the students who had some usable sight all wore > sleep shades while in classes; I know because I heard them complain about it > all the time. > > I absolutely loved it there and didn't want it to end. I made lots of > friends and learned quite a bit...I even met my boyfriend there! > > I had mobility classes and personal management and communications too. > Everything was individualized to my particular situation. In Communications > I learned technology such as how to use Kurzweil and how to write with a > slate and stylis. Mobility was spent trying to learn how to use a power > wheelchair, but it just wasn't for me, so we focused on more orientation > type things. A lot of cooking was done in personal management, and one class > was focused on applying make-up, but I really don't wear it, so I kind of > forgot a lot of the techniques. Nights were spent visiting the other > students at the dorm (The tech center was much more wheelchair accessible) > and we went shopping or sometimes a mobility lesson was for me to go to the > hair dresser on the ride bus independently. Like I said it was all designed > to my particular needs. > > Jen > ___________________________________________________________________________________________________ > Shop my store for the latest and greatest in beauty and wellness products! > www.youravon.com/jaberdeen > > Jennifer Aberdeen, AVON Independent Sales Representative > freespirit328 at gmail.com > 401-644-5607 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rania Ismail CMT" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 7:14 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > > >> Bism was a good center as well. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 6:16 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> >> Hi all, >> When deciding which training center to go to, there are lots of >> factors to consider. Training centers differ in what skills they teach >> and how they teach them (i.e. with or without sleepshades) and it's >> important to evaluate their teaching philosophies to determine which >> one is best for you. However, there's another dimension that sometimes >> gets missed and that's the "feel" of the center-and in particular how >> the staff feel about their students and their jobs. This is one area >> where I think NFB likely beats them all. I went through the adult >> program at LCB and I've talked to lots of students and staff at CCB >> and BLIND, Inc. and it's clear that with few exceptions, the staff at >> all three of our centers (1) love their jobs and (2) actually care >> about their students. These things seem obvious, but you'd be >> surprised. When I was growing up I went to a local day summer program >> for blind kids. This wasn't a center per se, but they had lots of >> social activities for the kids and attempted to teach some skills, >> like assistive tech. Anyway, I remember overhearing staff members at >> this program talking to each other about how they couldn't wait for >> the program to end or to get time off. Staff were often irritable and >> got frustrated with kids who cried or got upset or kids with >> intellectual disabilities who took longer to catch on. Furthermore, it >> was made clear the adults were in charge and attempts by kids to >> mentor other kids were discouraged. I liked the program because of all >> the friends I made there, but the attitudes of the staff always got to >> me. I was quickly impressed when I got to LCB, and even before that >> when I worked one of the kids' science camps at the Jernigan >> Institute, by how patient and loving and dedicated our teachers are. I >> recall one of the LCB instructors waiting a half-hour past closing >> time for a student to find her way to the classroom door on her own. >> This is an easy task for many of us, but for someone who has always >> been guided without a cane it can be very challenging. The teacher >> could have just guided her to speed things up or yelled at her for not >> being independent enough, which is probably what would have happened >> at my old summer camp, but he didn't. He was willing to spend the >> extra time so a student could learn a new skill and gain confidence. >> It is clear the instructors at the centers are not just working there >> for a paycheck. Many of them will talk freely and sincerely about how >> much they enjoy their jobs, but it is also apparent in their demeanor >> and actions. Even though I graduated from LCB in 2008, my instructors >> still come up and hug me and ask how I've been when I see them at >> convention or Washington Seminar, and they do so for other students as >> well. I think this kind of affection and genuine caring is really >> important. It helps students trust their teachers and be willing to >> take on challenging assignments, and it helps the teachers trust their >> students enough to give them those challenges. I think the warmth, >> positivity, and belief our instructors have in their students is the >> real ingredient that makes our centers so exceptional-even more so >> than the curriculum. >> Arielle >> >> On 8/14/11, David Dodge wrote: >>> Chris, >>> I have visited the Louisiana Center before and know several people that >> have >>> gone there. Generally, they describe it as one of the most extraordinary >>> experiences. >>> >>> When I visited the staff was very kind and full of information. They are >>> proud of what they do there. >>> >>> David >>> ---------------------------------- >>> David Dodge >>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:50 AM, chris nusbaum >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >>>> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >>>> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >>>> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >>>> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >>>> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >>>> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >>>> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >>>> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >>>> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >>>> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >>>> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >>>> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> > Hello Justin and everyone, >>>> > >>>> > For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the >> Carroll >>>> > Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >>>> > saw >>>> > the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >>>> > What >>>> > can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>>> "Dying." >>>> > If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>>> need >>>> > once and it will last you a life time. >>>> > >>>> > Peter Donahue >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>>> > To: >>>> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>>> > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive >>>> > summers >>>> with >>>> > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>>> > >>>> > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>>> > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience >> with >>>> all >>>> > of the other students involved. If only considering the social >>>> > frontier, >>>> I >>>> > highly recommend it. >>>> > >>>> > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>>> Real >>>> > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>>> experience >>>> > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>>> that I >>>> > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, >>>> > so >>>> I >>>> > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me >>>> > to >>>> use >>>> > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>>> > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>>> > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during >> O&M >>>> > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great >>>> > things, >>>> but >>>> > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things >>>> > non-visually. >>>> I >>>> > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>>> the >>>> > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will >> learn >>>> all >>>> > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a >> stable >>>> > visual field and acuity. >>>> > >>>> > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was >> before >>>> I >>>> > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>>> > chosen. >>>> > >>>> > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >>>> > confidence >>>> > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to >>>> > do >>>> > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>>> devices, >>>> > and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught >>>> > us >>>> > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >>>> > we >>>> > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and >>>> > suggest >>>> > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>>> > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>>> students >>>> > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >>>> > activities >>>> > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We >>>> > also >>>> saw >>>> > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>>> were >>>> > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>>> talk," >>>> > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that >>>> > often >>>> led >>>> > to self-awareness and confidence building. >>>> > >>>> > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>>> skills >>>> > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>>> > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were >>>> > paid >>>> by >>>> > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>>> > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different >> students >>>> > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>>> responsible >>>> > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>>> had >>>> > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, >>>> > so >>>> they >>>> > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us >>>> > at >>>> a >>>> > distance while we were in the environment. >>>> > >>>> > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at >> the >>>> end >>>> > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. >> They >>>> > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>>> > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >>>> > They >>>> > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>>> center >>>> > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live >> in >>>> a >>>> > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >>>> > but >>>> it >>>> > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>>> dining >>>> > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >>>> > navigate >>>> > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>>> > counter-clockwise direction. >>>> > >>>> > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, >> but >>>> it >>>> > is not the very best option available. >>>> > >>>> > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>>> > >>>> > Justin >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Justin M. Salisbury >>>> > Undergraduate Student >>>> > The University Honors Program >>>> > East Carolina University >>>> > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>>> > >>>> > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>>> change >>>> > the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -MARGARET >> MEAD >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. >> com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gma >> il.com >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>>> >>>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>>> >>>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>>> >>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.e >> du >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co >> m >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >> l.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freespirit328%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Mon Aug 15 14:56:15 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:56:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind References: <4e4856f2.41cce00a.640e.58c7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <001f01cc5b5b$7ba8bfb0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello RJ and everyone, Is that the lighthouse in Naples Florida? Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind RJ, You posted a while back about getting mobility from the lighthouse. I'm glad it worked out for you! So the instructor is actually teaching you about streets and getting around! If you have spatial deficits, sadly, some instructors think you cannot do mobility. Glad you found an instructor who will work with you. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: RJ Sandefur Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:37 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind I went to our state Rehab center here in Florida, where the mobility instructor said I couldn't do mobility, verses our local light house where the mobility teacher is teaching about street crossings, and you can tell he really enjoys what he does. RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > Hi Arielle and Rania, > > Thank you so much! That helps a lot! Rania, what did you like at BISM? > Was Loretta White the youth services director when you went? She was > when I went for Kids Camp, and I had some bad experiences there. > > Chris > > On 8/14/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >> Bism was a good center as well. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 6:16 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> >> Hi all, >> When deciding which training center to go to, there are lots of >> factors to consider. Training centers differ in what skills they teach >> and how they teach them (i.e. with or without sleepshades) and it's >> important to evaluate their teaching philosophies to determine which >> one is best for you. However, there's another dimension that sometimes >> gets missed and that's the "feel" of the center-and in particular how >> the staff feel about their students and their jobs. This is one area >> where I think NFB likely beats them all. I went through the adult >> program at LCB and I've talked to lots of students and staff at CCB >> and BLIND, Inc. and it's clear that with few exceptions, the staff at >> all three of our centers (1) love their jobs and (2) actually care >> about their students. These things seem obvious, but you'd be >> surprised. When I was growing up I went to a local day summer program >> for blind kids. This wasn't a center per se, but they had lots of >> social activities for the kids and attempted to teach some skills, >> like assistive tech. Anyway, I remember overhearing staff members at >> this program talking to each other about how they couldn't wait for >> the program to end or to get time off. Staff were often irritable and >> got frustrated with kids who cried or got upset or kids with >> intellectual disabilities who took longer to catch on. Furthermore, it >> was made clear the adults were in charge and attempts by kids to >> mentor other kids were discouraged. I liked the program because of all >> the friends I made there, but the attitudes of the staff always got to >> me. I was quickly impressed when I got to LCB, and even before that >> when I worked one of the kids' science camps at the Jernigan >> Institute, by how patient and loving and dedicated our teachers are. I >> recall one of the LCB instructors waiting a half-hour past closing >> time for a student to find her way to the classroom door on her own. >> This is an easy task for many of us, but for someone who has always >> been guided without a cane it can be very challenging. The teacher >> could have just guided her to speed things up or yelled at her for not >> being independent enough, which is probably what would have happened >> at my old summer camp, but he didn't. He was willing to spend the >> extra time so a student could learn a new skill and gain confidence. >> It is clear the instructors at the centers are not just working there >> for a paycheck. Many of them will talk freely and sincerely about how >> much they enjoy their jobs, but it is also apparent in their demeanor >> and actions. Even though I graduated from LCB in 2008, my instructors >> still come up and hug me and ask how I've been when I see them at >> convention or Washington Seminar, and they do so for other students as >> well. I think this kind of affection and genuine caring is really >> important. It helps students trust their teachers and be willing to >> take on challenging assignments, and it helps the teachers trust their >> students enough to give them those challenges. I think the warmth, >> positivity, and belief our instructors have in their students is the >> real ingredient that makes our centers so exceptional-even more so >> than the curriculum. >> Arielle >> >> On 8/14/11, David Dodge wrote: >>> Chris, >>> I have visited the Louisiana Center before and know several people that >> have >>> gone there. Generally, they describe it as one of the most extraordinary >>> experiences. >>> >>> When I visited the staff was very kind and full of information. They are >>> proud of what they do there. >>> >>> David >>> ---------------------------------- >>> David Dodge >>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:50 AM, chris nusbaum >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >>>> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >>>> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >>>> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >>>> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >>>> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >>>> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >>>> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >>>> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >>>> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >>>> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >>>> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >>>> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> > Hello Justin and everyone, >>>> > >>>> > For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the >> Carroll >>>> > Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >>>> > saw >>>> > the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >>>> > What >>>> > can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>>> "Dying." >>>> > If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>>> need >>>> > once and it will last you a life time. >>>> > >>>> > Peter Donahue >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>>> > To: >>>> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>>> > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive >>>> > summers >>>> with >>>> > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>>> > >>>> > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, >>>> > an >>>> > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience >> with >>>> all >>>> > of the other students involved. If only considering the social >>>> > frontier, >>>> I >>>> > highly recommend it. >>>> > >>>> > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>>> Real >>>> > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>>> experience >>>> > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>>> that I >>>> > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in >>>> > 2005, >>>> > so >>>> I >>>> > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me >>>> > to >>>> use >>>> > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>>> > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do >>>> > everything >>>> > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during >> O&M >>>> > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great >>>> > things, >>>> but >>>> > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things >>>> > non-visually. >>>> I >>>> > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center >>>> > for >>>> the >>>> > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will >> learn >>>> all >>>> > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a >> stable >>>> > visual field and acuity. >>>> > >>>> > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was >> before >>>> I >>>> > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>>> > chosen. >>>> > >>>> > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >>>> > confidence >>>> > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to >>>> > do >>>> > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>>> devices, >>>> > and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught >>>> > us >>>> > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >>>> > we >>>> > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and >>>> > suggest >>>> > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class >>>> > called >>>> > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>>> students >>>> > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >>>> > activities >>>> > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We >>>> > also >>>> saw >>>> > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that >>>> > we >>>> were >>>> > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>>> talk," >>>> > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that >>>> > often >>>> led >>>> > to self-awareness and confidence building. >>>> > >>>> > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>>> skills >>>> > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, >>>> > we >>>> > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were >>>> > paid >>>> by >>>> > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>>> > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different >> students >>>> > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>>> responsible >>>> > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>>> had >>>> > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, >>>> > so >>>> they >>>> > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched >>>> > us >>>> > at >>>> a >>>> > distance while we were in the environment. >>>> > >>>> > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at >> the >>>> end >>>> > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. >> They >>>> > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>>> > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >>>> > They >>>> > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>>> center >>>> > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live >> in >>>> a >>>> > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >>>> > but >>>> it >>>> > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>>> dining >>>> > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >>>> > navigate >>>> > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>>> > counter-clockwise direction. >>>> > >>>> > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, >> but >>>> it >>>> > is not the very best option available. >>>> > >>>> > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>>> > >>>> > Justin >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Justin M. Salisbury >>>> > Undergraduate Student >>>> > The University Honors Program >>>> > East Carolina University >>>> > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>>> > >>>> > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>>> change >>>> > the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -MARGARET >> MEAD >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. >> com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gma >> il.com >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>>> >>>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>>> >>>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>>> >>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.e >> du >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co >> m >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >> l.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From metalgod1030 at inbox.com Mon Aug 15 16:59:20 2011 From: metalgod1030 at inbox.com (Alexander Kaiser) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:59:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Conklin Center for the Blind, Lighthouse of broward and Florida division of blind services Rehabilitation Center for the blind and Visually Impaired Message-ID: <26687C4ECF26444EB698D8B96A7ED2BF@1x3pqn1> Attention All blind Floridians, Hi my name is Alexander Kaiser. I would like to find out experiential opinions of recent attendees of the Conklin Center for the Blind, recent attendees of the Lighthouse of broward and recent attendees of the Florida division of blind services Rehabilitation Center for the blind and Visually Impaired . I also would like to have a good consensus of each center because I will be attending the Conklin Center for the Blind within the next 6 months with a possible transfer to Florida Blind Services rehabilitation center for the Blind and Visually Impaired, or the Lighthouse of broward. I would like to know if any of the 3 centers are highly recommended or not and what their reputations are as training facilities and what to expect from the Conklin Center for the Blind, Lighthouse of Broward and Florida Division of Blind services rehabilitation center for the Blind and Visually Impaired. Are services at all three places providing sufficient enough training for all blind individuals to gain their independence? Are any of these centers highly recommended by the National Federation of the Blind amd Florida Council of the Blind? Please write back as immediately as possible. My email address is AScottKaiser90 at inbox.com. I can be contacted off list on my cell phone at 9 7 3 5 2 5 8 0 9 6. Sincerely, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser ____________________________________________________________ Publish your photos in seconds for FREE TRY IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=if4 From metalgod1030 at inbox.com Mon Aug 15 17:02:56 2011 From: metalgod1030 at inbox.com (Alexander Kaiser) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:02:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Conklin Center for the Blind, Lighthouse of Broward, and division of blind services Rehabilitation Center for the Blind and Visually Impaired Message-ID: <57A0F30AC116441AA5F5F996EF19E045@1x3pqn1> Attention All blind Floridians, Hi my name is Alexander Kaiser. I would like to find out experiential opinions on recent attendees of the Conklin Center for the Blind, recent attendees of the Lighthouse of broward and recent attendees of the Florida division of blind services Rehabilitation Center for the blind and Visually Impaired . I also would like to have a good consensus of each center because I will be attending the Conklin Center for the Blind within the next 6 months. Please write back as immediately as possible. My email address is AScottKaiser90 at inbox.com. I can be contacted off list on my cell phone at 9 7 3 5 2 5 8 0 9 6. Sincerely, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser ____________________________________________________________ Publish your photos in seconds for FREE TRY IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=if4 From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 17:11:35 2011 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:11:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Conklin Center for the Blind, Lighthouse of Broward, and division of blind services Rehabilitation Center for the Blindand Visually Impaired References: <57A0F30AC116441AA5F5F996EF19E045@1x3pqn1> Message-ID: <49977DB75224499483FFC10D1F2CFDCC@hometwxakonvzn> Hay Alex, You need to chill out! I gave you Joyce Hildreth's information! This is an NFB list. Please queit sinding this crap! RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Kaiser" To: ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:02 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Conklin Center for the Blind, Lighthouse of Broward,and division of blind services Rehabilitation Center for the Blindand Visually Impaired > Attention All blind Floridians, > Hi my name is Alexander Kaiser. I would like to find out experiential > opinions on recent attendees of the Conklin Center for the Blind, recent > attendees of the Lighthouse of broward and recent attendees of the Florida > division of blind services Rehabilitation Center for the blind and > Visually Impaired . I also would like to have a good consensus of each > center because I will be attending the Conklin Center for the Blind within > the next 6 months. Please write back as immediately as possible. My email > address is AScottKaiser90 at inbox.com. I can be contacted off list on my > cell phone at 9 7 3 5 2 5 8 0 9 6. > Sincerely, > Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser > > ____________________________________________________________ > Publish your photos in seconds for FREE > TRY IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=if4 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From aec732 at msn.com Mon Aug 15 17:14:05 2011 From: aec732 at msn.com (Annemarie Cooke) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:14:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] seeking a mentor for ancient Greek and Hebrew w/use of braille In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, Wise Ones! I am seeking a mentor for a student in Oregon who will be using braille to learn ancient Greek and Hebrew as part of her seminary studies.If you are willing or you can refer me to someone who is, please message me off-list at: aec732 at gmail.com Many thanks, Annemarie Cooke Consultant, Learning Ally From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 18:50:42 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:50:42 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Retreat for the Blind & Low Vision Lion Wanda Scroggins of L.A. In-Reply-To: <53CBAED5036D4E74922F7AD4FE266499@wandaPC> References: <53CBAED5036D4E74922F7AD4FE266499@wandaPC> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Wanda Scroggins Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 13:40:18 -0500 Subject: Retreat for the Blind & Low Vision Lion Wanda Scroggins of L.A. To: Invitation to Experience Retreat! Greetings from Wanda of L.A. (Lower Alabama) Attached is 4 documents describing our upcoming Retreat for adults dealing with loss of eyesight and their support of friends. I want to invite you to attend the retreat, sponsor a person, bring a guest, volunteer for the retreat, and best of all experience living life large. The retreat dates are September 25th, Sunday afternoon to September 28th, Wednesday after lunch. The retreat is only $180.00 scholarships are available upon request. So pack your comfy shorts, bathing suits, flip flops, walking shoes and your medications. This retreat is all inclusive; meaning sheets, towels, and all meals are included. Just bring your smiles for jam pack experience extreme challenges with time to expand TO excellence Transportation for Montgomery, Alabama, Ft. Walton/Destin, and Pensacola, Florida airports will be by volunteers Call me for more information Lion Wanda Scroggins (334) 428-3335 Email: wareaglewanda at gmail.com Or Contact Blue Lake Camp (334) 222-5407. website: www.bluelakecamp.com -- Darian Smith "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2011 flier and registration.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 217316 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: community solicitation.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 28423 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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After spending time with Dennis from 7 to 8 PM eastern as Pop Tops presents Piano LoungePart1, join us for an exciting invasion show. Join us for great upbeat music, songs with positive and lyrics expressing joy and happiness, and join Will as he returns with an old favorite game of ours, Press Your Luck! Qualify for the finals, then gamble in the finals for your chance to win a 20 dollar amazon gift card, and if you hit the big bank, win yourself a 32 gig thumb drive! It's all going down and happening this evening on The Djd Invasion. Gotta request? You can chat with me on our brand new aol instant messenger and msn address, add live at audioaccessradio.com Email me at djd at audioaccessradio.com Tweet audioaccess1 or when we're on the mic and have the lines open, skype in to audioaccesradio or call 516-360-0365 And to listen in, save this email, and between 7 PM and 10 or 11, go to http://www.audioaccessradio.com/listen_live.php and join us for a night of entertainment you won't soon forget! >From Djd, host of The Djd Invasion Monday nights from 8 to 11 PM eastern http://www.audioaccessradio.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 20:40:57 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:40:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A 20 Dollar Amazon Gift Card Is Up For Grabs On Tonight's Djd Invasion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey David, I'll be listening, and hopefully I'll be able to get on Skype with you! Has the Invasion changed times or something? The schedule said it started at 8 Eastern, but it wasn't on last Monday night. Isn't Pop Tops on at 7 and the Invasion at 8? Chris On 8/15/11, David Dunphy wrote: > Hello There! > Do you want to tune in to a radio show that's going to leave you with > a smile by the end of the night? > Do you want to hear some upbeat music? > Do you want to win a 20 dollar amazon gift card? > If you answer yes to these questions, then tonight's Djd Invasion show > is for you! > After spending time with Dennis from 7 to 8 PM eastern as Pop Tops > presents Piano LoungePart1, join us for an exciting invasion > > show. > Join us for great upbeat music, songs with positive and lyrics > expressing joy and happiness, and join Will as he returns with an > > old favorite game of ours, Press Your Luck! > Qualify for the finals, then gamble in the finals for your chance to > win a 20 dollar amazon gift card, and if you hit the big bank, > > win yourself a 32 gig thumb drive! > It's all going down and happening this evening on The Djd Invasion. > Gotta request? You can chat with me on our brand new aol instant > messenger and msn address, add > live at audioaccessradio.com > Email me at > djd at audioaccessradio.com > Tweet > audioaccess1 > or when we're on the mic and have the lines open, skype in to > audioaccesradio > or call > 516-360-0365 > And to listen in, save this email, and between 7 PM and 10 or 11, go to > http://www.audioaccessradio.com/listen_live.php > and join us for a night of entertainment you won't soon forget! > >From Djd, host of The Djd Invasion Monday nights from 8 to 11 PM eastern > http://www.audioaccessradio.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Aug 15 21:39:24 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:39:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. Message-ID: Hi, it's Joshua Lester. Well, another semester of college is upon me. I start back, this wednesday, at 2 PM, with Intermediate Algebra. On thursday, I have American federal Government, and World literature 1. I have American Federal Government, every tuesday, and thursday. On tuesday night, I have Western Civilization 1, which is why I'm telling you this. This class would have been no problem, if the normal instructor was teaching it, but it's now compressed video, (like my Sociology class, from last semester.) I hate compressed video, with a passion! I've explained it in detail, last year. Do any of you have a compressed video class, this year? Last semester, it was a teacher that I've met, but this year, I don't know this instructor, and he doesn't know me. This will be a challenge for me, as a blind person, but I know i can overcome it. Any advice for dealing with a stranger, via compressed video? Thanks, Joshua From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 21:59:56 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:59:56 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5BB297BC55394431B1BC005DA45A42FC@HumbertoAvila> Hello, What is compressed video? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 2:39 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. Hi, it's Joshua Lester. Well, another semester of college is upon me. I start back, this wednesday, at 2 PM, with Intermediate Algebra. On thursday, I have American federal Government, and World literature 1. I have American Federal Government, every tuesday, and thursday. On tuesday night, I have Western Civilization 1, which is why I'm telling you this. This class would have been no problem, if the normal instructor was teaching it, but it's now compressed video, (like my Sociology class, from last semester.) I hate compressed video, with a passion! I've explained it in detail, last year. Do any of you have a compressed video class, this year? Last semester, it was a teacher that I've met, but this year, I don't know this instructor, and he doesn't know me. This will be a challenge for me, as a blind person, but I know i can overcome it. Any advice for dealing with a stranger, via compressed video? Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 %40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Aug 15 22:01:54 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:01:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog In-Reply-To: <4e48fe29.a1beec0a.11c2.3113@mx.google.com> References: <4e48fe29.a1beec0a.11c2.3113@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <30949973B5FF490889C25F8DA48E0EA8@OwnerPC> So long is the book and what part of his life does it focus on? -----Original Message----- From: Beth Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:07 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog Hi, all. Here's what I think of Thunder Dog so far. Let's just say this is a great story. There's a lot of great topics overed by the author in the story. I haven't finished the book yet, but so far, it seems as though Michael and Roselle are the perfect pair for the time they are stuck in at the portion of the book I'm in. You guys were right. It's a wonderful story, but I haven't even reached the book's end. Look for a full review after I've read the book. Also, don't forget to vote. Beth _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Aug 15 22:04:39 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:04:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. In-Reply-To: <5BB297BC55394431B1BC005DA45A42FC@HumbertoAvila> References: <5BB297BC55394431B1BC005DA45A42FC@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: Compressed video is as follows. The instructor is on another campus, but is connected to us, by a computer. They have a setup, where they can hear us, and see us, and we can see, and hear them, via computer, but it isn't Skype. You also have to use the TV in order to work it, and there's a special button, on the remote, that you have to push, in order to get the instructor's attention, in the classroom, if you want to ask a question, or comment on something. It's complecated, and that's why I hate it. Blessings, Joshua On 8/15/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > Hello, > What is compressed video? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 2:39 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Well, another semester of college is upon me. > I start back, this wednesday, at 2 PM, with Intermediate Algebra. > On thursday, I have American federal Government, and World literature 1. > I have American Federal Government, every tuesday, and thursday. > On tuesday night, I have Western Civilization 1, which is why I'm > telling you this. > This class would have been no problem, if the normal instructor was > teaching it, but it's now compressed video, (like my Sociology class, > from last semester.) > I hate compressed video, with a passion! > I've explained it in detail, last year. > Do any of you have a compressed video class, this year? > Last semester, it was a teacher that I've met, but this year, I don't > know this instructor, and he doesn't know me. > This will be a challenge for me, as a blind person, but I know i can > overcome it. > Any advice for dealing with a stranger, via compressed video? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 22:19:35 2011 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:19:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind In-Reply-To: References: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com><003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Hi Chris, I'd say there isn't one center that is across the board better than the others. Even though I went to a state training center which practiced the NFB philosophy, I feel more confident with blindness skills. Contacting the centers, talking to current and former students and asking directly about their philosophy of blindness are starters. -----Original Message----- From: chris nusbaum Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind Hi David, Thank you! I'm not sure I'd want to go to LCB during the summer, as I think the weather would be way too hot... middle of July, Louissianna, you know what I mean. I hear that Minnesota is cheaper than Colorado. So, which is better, in all of your opinions? Chris On 8/14/11, David Dodge wrote: > Chris, > I have visited the Louisiana Center before and know several people that > have > gone there. Generally, they describe it as one of the most extraordinary > experiences. > > When I visited the staff was very kind and full of information. They are > proud of what they do there. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:50 AM, chris nusbaum > wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! >> >> Chris >> >> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> > Hello Justin and everyone, >> > >> > For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the >> > Carroll >> > Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >> > saw >> > the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >> > What >> > can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >> "Dying." >> > If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >> need >> > once and it will last you a life time. >> > >> > Peter Donahue >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >> > To: >> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >> > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> > >> > >> > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >> with >> > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >> > >> > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >> > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience >> > with >> all >> > of the other students involved. If only considering the social >> > frontier, >> I >> > highly recommend it. >> > >> > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >> Real >> > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >> experience >> > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >> that I >> > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, >> > so >> I >> > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >> use >> > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >> > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >> > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during >> > O&M >> > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >> but >> > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >> I >> > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >> the >> > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will >> > learn >> all >> > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a >> > stable >> > visual field and acuity. >> > >> > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was >> > before >> I >> > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >> > chosen. >> > >> > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >> > confidence >> > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >> > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >> devices, >> > and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >> > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >> > we >> > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >> > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >> > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >> students >> > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >> > activities >> > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >> saw >> > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >> were >> > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >> talk," >> > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >> led >> > to self-awareness and confidence building. >> > >> > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >> skills >> > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >> > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >> by >> > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >> > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different >> > students >> > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >> responsible >> > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >> had >> > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >> they >> > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us >> > at >> a >> > distance while we were in the environment. >> > >> > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at >> > the >> end >> > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. >> > They >> > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >> > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >> > They >> > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >> center >> > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live >> > in >> a >> > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >> > but >> it >> > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >> dining >> > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >> > navigate >> > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >> > counter-clockwise direction. >> > >> > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, >> > but >> it >> > is not the very best option available. >> > >> > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >> > >> > Justin >> > >> > >> > >> > Justin M. Salisbury >> > Undergraduate Student >> > The University Honors Program >> > East Carolina University >> > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >> > >> > “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >> change >> > the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET >> > MEAD >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. 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Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com Anjelina From daviddod at buffalo.edu Mon Aug 15 22:22:56 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:22:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. In-Reply-To: References: <5BB297BC55394431B1BC005DA45A42FC@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: Josh, That does sound complicated. Do you absolutely have to take this class now? Can you wait until it is in the classroom? If not, remember you still have the ability to e-mail the professor. I suggest you contact them and let them know what your concerns are and see if they have any suggestions. Good luck. By the way, where are you going to school? PS - Western Civ is pretty straightforward. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Joshua Lester < jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote: > Compressed video is as follows. > The instructor is on another campus, but is connected to us, by a computer. > They have a setup, where they can hear us, and see us, and we can see, > and hear them, via computer, but it isn't Skype. > You also have to use the TV in order to work it, and there's a special > button, on the remote, that you have to push, in order to get the > instructor's attention, in the classroom, if you want to ask a > question, or comment on something. > It's complecated, and that's why I hate it. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/15/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > > Hello, > > What is compressed video? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > > Of Joshua Lester > > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 2:39 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. > > > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > > Well, another semester of college is upon me. > > I start back, this wednesday, at 2 PM, with Intermediate Algebra. > > On thursday, I have American federal Government, and World literature 1. > > I have American Federal Government, every tuesday, and thursday. > > On tuesday night, I have Western Civilization 1, which is why I'm > > telling you this. > > This class would have been no problem, if the normal instructor was > > teaching it, but it's now compressed video, (like my Sociology class, > > from last semester.) > > I hate compressed video, with a passion! > > I've explained it in detail, last year. > > Do any of you have a compressed video class, this year? > > Last semester, it was a teacher that I've met, but this year, I don't > > know this instructor, and he doesn't know me. > > This will be a challenge for me, as a blind person, but I know i can > > overcome it. > > Any advice for dealing with a stranger, via compressed video? > > Thanks, Joshua > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > > %40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Aug 15 22:28:49 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:28:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. In-Reply-To: References: <5BB297BC55394431B1BC005DA45A42FC@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: The only problem, is that he's at the headquarters, (Helena, Arkansas.) He never comes to the DeWitt campus. I'll E-mail him, and let him know what's going on. I don't like Compressed video, as I've said. Something else that bothers me, is if the teacher moves around the room, they can get away from the microphone, so I can't hear. I hope he stays still, but I doubt it. I've got to have this class. I'm graduating, next year. Blessings, Joshua On 8/15/11, David Dodge wrote: > Josh, > That does sound complicated. Do you absolutely have to take this class now? > Can you wait until it is in the classroom? > > If not, remember you still have the ability to e-mail the professor. I > suggest you contact them and let them know what your concerns are and see if > they have any suggestions. > > Good luck. By the way, where are you going to school? > > PS - Western Civ is pretty straightforward. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Joshua Lester < > jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote: > >> Compressed video is as follows. >> The instructor is on another campus, but is connected to us, by a >> computer. >> They have a setup, where they can hear us, and see us, and we can see, >> and hear them, via computer, but it isn't Skype. >> You also have to use the TV in order to work it, and there's a special >> button, on the remote, that you have to push, in order to get the >> instructor's attention, in the classroom, if you want to ask a >> question, or comment on something. >> It's complecated, and that's why I hate it. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 8/15/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >> > Hello, >> > What is compressed video? >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> > Of Joshua Lester >> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 2:39 PM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. >> > >> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> > Well, another semester of college is upon me. >> > I start back, this wednesday, at 2 PM, with Intermediate Algebra. >> > On thursday, I have American federal Government, and World literature 1. >> > I have American Federal Government, every tuesday, and thursday. >> > On tuesday night, I have Western Civilization 1, which is why I'm >> > telling you this. >> > This class would have been no problem, if the normal instructor was >> > teaching it, but it's now compressed video, (like my Sociology class, >> > from last semester.) >> > I hate compressed video, with a passion! >> > I've explained it in detail, last year. >> > Do any of you have a compressed video class, this year? >> > Last semester, it was a teacher that I've met, but this year, I don't >> > know this instructor, and he doesn't know me. >> > This will be a challenge for me, as a blind person, but I know i can >> > overcome it. >> > Any advice for dealing with a stranger, via compressed video? >> > Thanks, Joshua >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >> > %40gmail.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 22:32:06 2011 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:32:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind In-Reply-To: References: <4e4856f2.41cce00a.640e.58c7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I first attended BISM's WINGS summer youth program in high school after going totally blind. For me, the program provided me a glimpse into higher expectations, independent blind adults and the believe that blindness didn't have to be a huge barrier. While not every program is going to get all the various elements right during the first, second or third try, the albeit sometimes slow tide of change is a testament to success. WINGS was not perfect. What program whose aim is to teach about life is going to not expose students to the bumps of life? We saw staff make mistakes, misjudge travel routes, and express frustrations--for me they were showing the true foibles of blindness. Just my thoughts -----Original Message----- From: chris nusbaum Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind Hi Arielle and Rania, Thank you so much! That helps a lot! Rania, what did you like at BISM? Was Loretta White the youth services director when you went? She was when I went for Kids Camp, and I had some bad experiences there. Chris On 8/14/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: > Bism was a good center as well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Arielle Silverman > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 6:16 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > > Hi all, > When deciding which training center to go to, there are lots of > factors to consider. Training centers differ in what skills they teach > and how they teach them (i.e. with or without sleepshades) and it's > important to evaluate their teaching philosophies to determine which > one is best for you. However, there's another dimension that sometimes > gets missed and that's the "feel" of the center-and in particular how > the staff feel about their students and their jobs. This is one area > where I think NFB likely beats them all. I went through the adult > program at LCB and I've talked to lots of students and staff at CCB > and BLIND, Inc. and it's clear that with few exceptions, the staff at > all three of our centers (1) love their jobs and (2) actually care > about their students. These things seem obvious, but you'd be > surprised. When I was growing up I went to a local day summer program > for blind kids. This wasn't a center per se, but they had lots of > social activities for the kids and attempted to teach some skills, > like assistive tech. Anyway, I remember overhearing staff members at > this program talking to each other about how they couldn't wait for > the program to end or to get time off. Staff were often irritable and > got frustrated with kids who cried or got upset or kids with > intellectual disabilities who took longer to catch on. Furthermore, it > was made clear the adults were in charge and attempts by kids to > mentor other kids were discouraged. I liked the program because of all > the friends I made there, but the attitudes of the staff always got to > me. I was quickly impressed when I got to LCB, and even before that > when I worked one of the kids' science camps at the Jernigan > Institute, by how patient and loving and dedicated our teachers are. I > recall one of the LCB instructors waiting a half-hour past closing > time for a student to find her way to the classroom door on her own. > This is an easy task for many of us, but for someone who has always > been guided without a cane it can be very challenging. The teacher > could have just guided her to speed things up or yelled at her for not > being independent enough, which is probably what would have happened > at my old summer camp, but he didn't. He was willing to spend the > extra time so a student could learn a new skill and gain confidence. > It is clear the instructors at the centers are not just working there > for a paycheck. Many of them will talk freely and sincerely about how > much they enjoy their jobs, but it is also apparent in their demeanor > and actions. Even though I graduated from LCB in 2008, my instructors > still come up and hug me and ask how I've been when I see them at > convention or Washington Seminar, and they do so for other students as > well. I think this kind of affection and genuine caring is really > important. It helps students trust their teachers and be willing to > take on challenging assignments, and it helps the teachers trust their > students enough to give them those challenges. I think the warmth, > positivity, and belief our instructors have in their students is the > real ingredient that makes our centers so exceptional-even more so > than the curriculum. > Arielle > > On 8/14/11, David Dodge wrote: >> Chris, >> I have visited the Louisiana Center before and know several people that > have >> gone there. Generally, they describe it as one of the most extraordinary >> experiences. >> >> When I visited the staff was very kind and full of information. They are >> proud of what they do there. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> State University of New York Student Assembly >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:50 AM, chris nusbaum >> wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >>> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >>> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >>> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >>> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >>> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >>> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >>> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >>> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >>> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >>> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >>> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >>> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> > Hello Justin and everyone, >>> > >>> > For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the > Carroll >>> > Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >>> > saw >>> > the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >>> > What >>> > can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>> "Dying." >>> > If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>> need >>> > once and it will last you a life time. >>> > >>> > Peter Donahue >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>> > To: >>> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>> > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> > >>> > >>> > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive >>> > summers >>> with >>> > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>> > >>> > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>> > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience > with >>> all >>> > of the other students involved. If only considering the social >>> > frontier, >>> I >>> > highly recommend it. >>> > >>> > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>> Real >>> > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>> experience >>> > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>> that I >>> > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, >>> > so >>> I >>> > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me >>> > to >>> use >>> > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>> > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>> > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during > O&M >>> > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great >>> > things, >>> but >>> > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things >>> > non-visually. >>> I >>> > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>> the >>> > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will > learn >>> all >>> > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a > stable >>> > visual field and acuity. >>> > >>> > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was > before >>> I >>> > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>> > chosen. >>> > >>> > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >>> > confidence >>> > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to >>> > do >>> > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>> devices, >>> > and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught >>> > us >>> > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >>> > we >>> > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and >>> > suggest >>> > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>> > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>> students >>> > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >>> > activities >>> > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We >>> > also >>> saw >>> > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>> were >>> > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>> talk," >>> > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that >>> > often >>> led >>> > to self-awareness and confidence building. >>> > >>> > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>> skills >>> > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>> > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were >>> > paid >>> by >>> > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>> > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different > students >>> > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>> responsible >>> > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>> had >>> > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, >>> > so >>> they >>> > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us >>> > at >>> a >>> > distance while we were in the environment. >>> > >>> > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at > the >>> end >>> > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. > They >>> > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>> > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >>> > They >>> > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>> center >>> > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live > in >>> a >>> > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >>> > but >>> it >>> > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>> dining >>> > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >>> > navigate >>> > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>> > counter-clockwise direction. >>> > >>> > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, > but >>> it >>> > is not the very best option available. >>> > >>> > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>> > >>> > Justin >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Justin M. Salisbury >>> > Undergraduate Student >>> > The University Honors Program >>> > East Carolina University >>> > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> > >>> > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> > the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -MARGARET > MEAD >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. > com >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gma > il.com >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. 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Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com Anjelina From daviddod at buffalo.edu Mon Aug 15 22:44:43 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:44:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. In-Reply-To: References: <5BB297BC55394431B1BC005DA45A42FC@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: You need to let him know that staying still as much as possible will be helpful to you. Explain your situation. Congratulations on graduating soon! David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Joshua Lester < jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote: > The only problem, is that he's at the headquarters, (Helena, Arkansas.) > He never comes to the DeWitt campus. > I'll E-mail him, and let him know what's going on. > I don't like Compressed video, as I've said. > Something else that bothers me, is if the teacher moves around the > room, they can get away from the microphone, so I can't hear. > I hope he stays still, but I doubt it. > I've got to have this class. > I'm graduating, next year. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/15/11, David Dodge wrote: > > Josh, > > That does sound complicated. Do you absolutely have to take this class > now? > > Can you wait until it is in the classroom? > > > > If not, remember you still have the ability to e-mail the professor. I > > suggest you contact them and let them know what your concerns are and see > if > > they have any suggestions. > > > > Good luck. By the way, where are you going to school? > > > > PS - Western Civ is pretty straightforward. > > > > David > > ---------------------------------- > > David Dodge > > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > > State University of New York Student Assembly > > English Major > > University at Buffalo > > 306 Clemens Hall > > Buffalo, NY 14260 > > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Joshua Lester < > > jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote: > > > >> Compressed video is as follows. > >> The instructor is on another campus, but is connected to us, by a > >> computer. > >> They have a setup, where they can hear us, and see us, and we can see, > >> and hear them, via computer, but it isn't Skype. > >> You also have to use the TV in order to work it, and there's a special > >> button, on the remote, that you have to push, in order to get the > >> instructor's attention, in the classroom, if you want to ask a > >> question, or comment on something. > >> It's complecated, and that's why I hate it. > >> Blessings, Joshua > >> > >> On 8/15/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > >> > Hello, > >> > What is compressed video? > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > >> Behalf > >> > Of Joshua Lester > >> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 2:39 PM > >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. > >> > > >> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > >> > Well, another semester of college is upon me. > >> > I start back, this wednesday, at 2 PM, with Intermediate Algebra. > >> > On thursday, I have American federal Government, and World literature > 1. > >> > I have American Federal Government, every tuesday, and thursday. > >> > On tuesday night, I have Western Civilization 1, which is why I'm > >> > telling you this. > >> > This class would have been no problem, if the normal instructor was > >> > teaching it, but it's now compressed video, (like my Sociology class, > >> > from last semester.) > >> > I hate compressed video, with a passion! > >> > I've explained it in detail, last year. > >> > Do any of you have a compressed video class, this year? > >> > Last semester, it was a teacher that I've met, but this year, I don't > >> > know this instructor, and he doesn't know me. > >> > This will be a challenge for me, as a blind person, but I know i can > >> > overcome it. > >> > Any advice for dealing with a stranger, via compressed video? > >> > Thanks, Joshua > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> > nabs-l: > >> > > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > >> > %40gmail.com > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> > nabs-l: > >> > > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From hope.paulos at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 22:46:02 2011 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:46:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. References: <5BB297BC55394431B1BC005DA45A42FC@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: <898BA4E5B2D940319E479738FB865609@Espy> Hi there. Has an accommodation letter been sent to the professor? I wish you luck and keep us posted as to how it's going. I've never taken a class in compressed video. Hope and Beignet ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dodge" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. > Josh, > That does sound complicated. Do you absolutely have to take this class > now? > Can you wait until it is in the classroom? > > If not, remember you still have the ability to e-mail the professor. I > suggest you contact them and let them know what your concerns are and see > if > they have any suggestions. > > Good luck. By the way, where are you going to school? > > PS - Western Civ is pretty straightforward. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Joshua Lester < > jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote: > >> Compressed video is as follows. >> The instructor is on another campus, but is connected to us, by a >> computer. >> They have a setup, where they can hear us, and see us, and we can see, >> and hear them, via computer, but it isn't Skype. >> You also have to use the TV in order to work it, and there's a special >> button, on the remote, that you have to push, in order to get the >> instructor's attention, in the classroom, if you want to ask a >> question, or comment on something. >> It's complecated, and that's why I hate it. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 8/15/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >> > Hello, >> > What is compressed video? >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> > Of Joshua Lester >> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 2:39 PM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. >> > >> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> > Well, another semester of college is upon me. >> > I start back, this wednesday, at 2 PM, with Intermediate Algebra. >> > On thursday, I have American federal Government, and World literature >> > 1. >> > I have American Federal Government, every tuesday, and thursday. >> > On tuesday night, I have Western Civilization 1, which is why I'm >> > telling you this. >> > This class would have been no problem, if the normal instructor was >> > teaching it, but it's now compressed video, (like my Sociology class, >> > from last semester.) >> > I hate compressed video, with a passion! >> > I've explained it in detail, last year. >> > Do any of you have a compressed video class, this year? >> > Last semester, it was a teacher that I've met, but this year, I don't >> > know this instructor, and he doesn't know me. >> > This will be a challenge for me, as a blind person, but I know i can >> > overcome it. >> > Any advice for dealing with a stranger, via compressed video? >> > Thanks, Joshua >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >> > %40gmail.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Aug 15 22:56:04 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:56:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. In-Reply-To: References: <5BB297BC55394431B1BC005DA45A42FC@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: I'll let him know. The disabilities services has helped me this year, but I'll E-mail the instructor. This is a community college. Blessings, Joshua On 8/15/11, David Dodge wrote: > You need to let him know that staying still as much as possible will be > helpful to you. Explain your situation. Congratulations on graduating soon! > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Joshua Lester < > jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote: > >> The only problem, is that he's at the headquarters, (Helena, Arkansas.) >> He never comes to the DeWitt campus. >> I'll E-mail him, and let him know what's going on. >> I don't like Compressed video, as I've said. >> Something else that bothers me, is if the teacher moves around the >> room, they can get away from the microphone, so I can't hear. >> I hope he stays still, but I doubt it. >> I've got to have this class. >> I'm graduating, next year. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 8/15/11, David Dodge wrote: >> > Josh, >> > That does sound complicated. Do you absolutely have to take this class >> now? >> > Can you wait until it is in the classroom? >> > >> > If not, remember you still have the ability to e-mail the professor. I >> > suggest you contact them and let them know what your concerns are and >> > see >> if >> > they have any suggestions. >> > >> > Good luck. By the way, where are you going to school? >> > >> > PS - Western Civ is pretty straightforward. >> > >> > David >> > ---------------------------------- >> > David Dodge >> > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> > State University of New York Student Assembly >> > English Major >> > University at Buffalo >> > 306 Clemens Hall >> > Buffalo, NY 14260 >> > daviddod at buffalo.edu >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Joshua Lester < >> > jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote: >> > >> >> Compressed video is as follows. >> >> The instructor is on another campus, but is connected to us, by a >> >> computer. >> >> They have a setup, where they can hear us, and see us, and we can see, >> >> and hear them, via computer, but it isn't Skype. >> >> You also have to use the TV in order to work it, and there's a special >> >> button, on the remote, that you have to push, in order to get the >> >> instructor's attention, in the classroom, if you want to ask a >> >> question, or comment on something. >> >> It's complecated, and that's why I hate it. >> >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> >> >> On 8/15/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >> >> > Hello, >> >> > What is compressed video? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> >> Behalf >> >> > Of Joshua Lester >> >> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 2:39 PM >> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. >> >> > >> >> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> >> > Well, another semester of college is upon me. >> >> > I start back, this wednesday, at 2 PM, with Intermediate Algebra. >> >> > On thursday, I have American federal Government, and World literature >> 1. >> >> > I have American Federal Government, every tuesday, and thursday. >> >> > On tuesday night, I have Western Civilization 1, which is why I'm >> >> > telling you this. >> >> > This class would have been no problem, if the normal instructor was >> >> > teaching it, but it's now compressed video, (like my Sociology class, >> >> > from last semester.) >> >> > I hate compressed video, with a passion! >> >> > I've explained it in detail, last year. >> >> > Do any of you have a compressed video class, this year? >> >> > Last semester, it was a teacher that I've met, but this year, I don't >> >> > know this instructor, and he doesn't know me. >> >> > This will be a challenge for me, as a blind person, but I know i can >> >> > overcome it. >> >> > Any advice for dealing with a stranger, via compressed video? >> >> > Thanks, Joshua >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > nabs-l mailing list >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> > nabs-l: >> >> > >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >> >> > %40gmail.com >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > nabs-l mailing list >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> > nabs-l: >> >> > >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From liziswhatis at hotmail.com Mon Aug 15 22:57:08 2011 From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Bottner) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:57:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind In-Reply-To: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> References: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Personally, my view is that if you have some remaining vision, you should be taught how to effectively use that (visual efficiency) as well as nonvisual techniques so that you have both tools in your toolbox. There may be times when using your remaining vision for a task is preferred and totally fine, and yet others where employing a nonvisual technique is more feasible. My concern is that NFB centers do not focus on teaching those with low vision how to use their remaining vision effectively alongside nonvisual techniques. If I am wrong in this assertion, someone please feel free to set me straight. I realize and completely agree that the value of sleep shades to a person with low vision is of crucial importance because it builds confidence and instills the idea that vision isn't everything, but as I said earlier, if someone has usable vision, they should be encouraged to use it if it will end up helping them. Just my view, for what it's worth. Take care. Liz Bottner Guiding Eyes Graduate Council GEB Voicemail: 800-942-0149 Ext. 2531 e-mail: liziswhatis at hotmail.com Visit my LiveJournal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/lizbot -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Salisbury, Justin Mark Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:58 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers with Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with all of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, I highly recommend it. I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the experience both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that I now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so I was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to use my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, but blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn all of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable visual field and acuity. I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have chosen. In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other students with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also saw a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we were adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people talk," was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often led to self-awareness and confidence building. In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were responsible for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so they weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at a distance while we were in the environment. At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the end of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training center would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but it does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the dining hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or counter-clockwise direction. The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but it is not the very best option available. I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. Justin Justin M. Salisbury Undergraduate Student The University Honors Program East Carolina University salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -MARGARET MEAD _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liziswhatis%40hotmai l.com From carlymih at earthlink.net Mon Aug 15 23:04:06 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:04:06 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. In-Reply-To: References: <5BB297BC55394431B1BC005DA45A42FC@HumbertoAvila> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110815160110.01d3f7d0@earthlink.net> Good afternoon, 'Seems, concepts in Western Civ are pretty generic and can be learned elseware, in a manner that is more condusive to the blind student's retention? for today, Car >Can you wait until it is in the classroom? > >If not, remember you still have the ability to e-mail the professor. I >suggest you contact them and let them know what your concerns are and see if >they have any suggestions. > >Good luck. By the way, where are you going to school? > >PS - Western Civ is pretty straightforward. > >David >---------------------------------- >David Dodge >Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >State University of New York Student Assembly >English Major >University at Buffalo >306 Clemens Hall >Buffalo, NY 14260 >daviddod at buffalo.edu > > >On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Joshua Lester < >jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote: > > > Compressed video is as follows. > > The instructor is on another campus, but is connected to us, by a computer. > > They have a setup, where they can hear us, and see us, and we can see, > > and hear them, via computer, but it isn't Skype. > > You also have to use the TV in order to work it, and there's a special > > button, on the remote, that you have to push, in order to get the > > instructor's attention, in the classroom, if you want to ask a > > question, or comment on something. > > It's complecated, and that's why I hate it. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 8/15/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > > > Hello, > > > What is compressed video? > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > > Behalf > > > Of Joshua Lester > > > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 2:39 PM > > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. > > > > > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > > > Well, another semester of college is upon me. > > > I start back, this wednesday, at 2 PM, with Intermediate Algebra. > > > On thursday, I have American federal Government, and World literature 1. > > > I have American Federal Government, every tuesday, and thursday. > > > On tuesday night, I have Western Civilization 1, which is why I'm > > > telling you this. > > > This class would have been no problem, if the normal instructor was > > > teaching it, but it's now compressed video, (like my Sociology class, > > > from last semester.) > > > I hate compressed video, with a passion! > > > I've explained it in detail, last year. > > > Do any of you have a compressed video class, this year? > > > Last semester, it was a teacher that I've met, but this year, I don't > > > know this instructor, and he doesn't know me. > > > This will be a challenge for me, as a blind person, but I know i can > > > overcome it. > > > Any advice for dealing with a stranger, via compressed video? > > > Thanks, Joshua > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > > > %40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Aug 15 23:05:41 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:05:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind In-Reply-To: References: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: agree Liz. Did you attend a non nfb center? -----Original Message----- From: Liz Bottner Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:57 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind Hi all, Personally, my view is that if you have some remaining vision, you should be taught how to effectively use that (visual efficiency) as well as nonvisual techniques so that you have both tools in your toolbox. There may be times when using your remaining vision for a task is preferred and totally fine, and yet others where employing a nonvisual technique is more feasible. My concern is that NFB centers do not focus on teaching those with low vision how to use their remaining vision effectively alongside nonvisual techniques. If I am wrong in this assertion, someone please feel free to set me straight. I realize and completely agree that the value of sleep shades to a person with low vision is of crucial importance because it builds confidence and instills the idea that vision isn't everything, but as I said earlier, if someone has usable vision, they should be encouraged to use it if it will end up helping them. Just my view, for what it's worth. Take care. Liz Bottner Guiding Eyes Graduate Council GEB Voicemail: 800-942-0149 Ext. 2531 e-mail: liziswhatis at hotmail.com Visit my LiveJournal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/lizbot -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Salisbury, Justin Mark Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:58 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers with Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with all of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, I highly recommend it. I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the experience both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that I now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so I was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to use my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, but blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn all of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable visual field and acuity. I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have chosen. In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other students with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also saw a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we were adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people talk," was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often led to self-awareness and confidence building. In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were responsible for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so they weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at a distance while we were in the environment. At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the end of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training center would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but it does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the dining hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or counter-clockwise direction. The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but it is not the very best option available. I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. Justin Justin M. Salisbury Undergraduate Student The University Honors Program East Carolina University salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -MARGARET MEAD _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liziswhatis%40hotmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From liziswhatis at hotmail.com Mon Aug 15 23:09:42 2011 From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Bottner) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:09:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind In-Reply-To: References: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: I haven't attended any center, but received services from my state blind services commission. Liz Bottner Guiding Eyes Graduate Council GEB Voicemail: 800-942-0149 Ext. 2531 e-mail: liziswhatis at hotmail.com Visit my LiveJournal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/lizbot -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:06 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind agree Liz. Did you attend a non nfb center? -----Original Message----- From: Liz Bottner Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:57 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind Hi all, Personally, my view is that if you have some remaining vision, you should be taught how to effectively use that (visual efficiency) as well as nonvisual techniques so that you have both tools in your toolbox. There may be times when using your remaining vision for a task is preferred and totally fine, and yet others where employing a nonvisual technique is more feasible. My concern is that NFB centers do not focus on teaching those with low vision how to use their remaining vision effectively alongside nonvisual techniques. If I am wrong in this assertion, someone please feel free to set me straight. I realize and completely agree that the value of sleep shades to a person with low vision is of crucial importance because it builds confidence and instills the idea that vision isn't everything, but as I said earlier, if someone has usable vision, they should be encouraged to use it if it will end up helping them. Just my view, for what it's worth. Take care. Liz Bottner Guiding Eyes Graduate Council GEB Voicemail: 800-942-0149 Ext. 2531 e-mail: liziswhatis at hotmail.com Visit my LiveJournal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/lizbot -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Salisbury, Justin Mark Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:58 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers with Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with all of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, I highly recommend it. I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the experience both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that I now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so I was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to use my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, but blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn all of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable visual field and acuity. I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have chosen. In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other students with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also saw a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we were adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people talk," was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often led to self-awareness and confidence building. In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were responsible for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so they weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at a distance while we were in the environment. At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the end of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training center would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but it does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the dining hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or counter-clockwise direction. The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but it is not the very best option available. I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. Justin Justin M. Salisbury Undergraduate Student The University Honors Program East Carolina University salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -MARGARET MEAD _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liziswhatis%40hotmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl ink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liziswhatis%40hotmai l.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Aug 15 23:15:15 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:15:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110815160110.01d3f7d0@earthlink.net> References: <5BB297BC55394431B1BC005DA45A42FC@HumbertoAvila> <7.0.1.0.2.20110815160110.01d3f7d0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I like Western Civ. I didn't have any trouble, but the hearing issue, with Compressed video is my main problem Blessings, Joshua On 8/15/11, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > > > Good afternoon, > > 'Seems, concepts in Western Civ are pretty generic and can be > learned elseware, in a manner that is more condusive to the blind > student's retention? > for today, > Car >>Can you wait until it is in the classroom? >> >>If not, remember you still have the ability to e-mail the professor. I >>suggest you contact them and let them know what your concerns are and see >> if >>they have any suggestions. >> >>Good luck. By the way, where are you going to school? >> >>PS - Western Civ is pretty straightforward. >> >>David >>---------------------------------- >>David Dodge >>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>State University of New York Student Assembly >>English Major >>University at Buffalo >>306 Clemens Hall >>Buffalo, NY 14260 >>daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >>On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Joshua Lester < >>jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote: >> >> > Compressed video is as follows. >> > The instructor is on another campus, but is connected to us, by a >> > computer. >> > They have a setup, where they can hear us, and see us, and we can see, >> > and hear them, via computer, but it isn't Skype. >> > You also have to use the TV in order to work it, and there's a special >> > button, on the remote, that you have to push, in order to get the >> > instructor's attention, in the classroom, if you want to ask a >> > question, or comment on something. >> > It's complecated, and that's why I hate it. >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > On 8/15/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >> > > Hello, >> > > What is compressed video? >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> > Behalf >> > > Of Joshua Lester >> > > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 2:39 PM >> > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > > Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. >> > > >> > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> > > Well, another semester of college is upon me. >> > > I start back, this wednesday, at 2 PM, with Intermediate Algebra. >> > > On thursday, I have American federal Government, and World literature >> > > 1. >> > > I have American Federal Government, every tuesday, and thursday. >> > > On tuesday night, I have Western Civilization 1, which is why I'm >> > > telling you this. >> > > This class would have been no problem, if the normal instructor was >> > > teaching it, but it's now compressed video, (like my Sociology class, >> > > from last semester.) >> > > I hate compressed video, with a passion! >> > > I've explained it in detail, last year. >> > > Do any of you have a compressed video class, this year? >> > > Last semester, it was a teacher that I've met, but this year, I don't >> > > know this instructor, and he doesn't know me. >> > > This will be a challenge for me, as a blind person, but I know i can >> > > overcome it. >> > > Any advice for dealing with a stranger, via compressed video? >> > > Thanks, Joshua >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > nabs-l mailing list >> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > > nabs-l: >> > > >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >> > > %40gmail.com >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > nabs-l mailing list >> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > > nabs-l: >> > > >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 23:18:42 2011 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:18:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4e49a979.46b0340a.182f.ffffc3c1@mx.google.com> Yes she was. I attended the Wings program for youth and I learned a lot. I also attended the adult program and I was able to build on the skills I already had. I learned how to cook for my self and maintain an apartment use pliblic transportation and get my food shopping done. These were things that my mom wasn't able to teach me although she did teach me how to clean the bathroom things like that. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of chris nusbaum Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:03 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind Hi Arielle and Rania, Thank you so much! That helps a lot! Rania, what did you like at BISM? Was Loretta White the youth services director when you went? She was when I went for Kids Camp, and I had some bad experiences there. Chris On 8/14/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: > Bism was a good center as well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Arielle Silverman > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 6:16 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > > Hi all, > When deciding which training center to go to, there are lots of > factors to consider. Training centers differ in what skills they teach > and how they teach them (i.e. with or without sleepshades) and it's > important to evaluate their teaching philosophies to determine which > one is best for you. However, there's another dimension that sometimes > gets missed and that's the "feel" of the center-and in particular how > the staff feel about their students and their jobs. This is one area > where I think NFB likely beats them all. I went through the adult > program at LCB and I've talked to lots of students and staff at CCB > and BLIND, Inc. and it's clear that with few exceptions, the staff at > all three of our centers (1) love their jobs and (2) actually care > about their students. These things seem obvious, but you'd be > surprised. When I was growing up I went to a local day summer program > for blind kids. This wasn't a center per se, but they had lots of > social activities for the kids and attempted to teach some skills, > like assistive tech. Anyway, I remember overhearing staff members at > this program talking to each other about how they couldn't wait for > the program to end or to get time off. Staff were often irritable and > got frustrated with kids who cried or got upset or kids with > intellectual disabilities who took longer to catch on. Furthermore, it > was made clear the adults were in charge and attempts by kids to > mentor other kids were discouraged. I liked the program because of all > the friends I made there, but the attitudes of the staff always got to > me. I was quickly impressed when I got to LCB, and even before that > when I worked one of the kids' science camps at the Jernigan > Institute, by how patient and loving and dedicated our teachers are. I > recall one of the LCB instructors waiting a half-hour past closing > time for a student to find her way to the classroom door on her own. > This is an easy task for many of us, but for someone who has always > been guided without a cane it can be very challenging. The teacher > could have just guided her to speed things up or yelled at her for not > being independent enough, which is probably what would have happened > at my old summer camp, but he didn't. He was willing to spend the > extra time so a student could learn a new skill and gain confidence. > It is clear the instructors at the centers are not just working there > for a paycheck. Many of them will talk freely and sincerely about how > much they enjoy their jobs, but it is also apparent in their demeanor > and actions. Even though I graduated from LCB in 2008, my instructors > still come up and hug me and ask how I've been when I see them at > convention or Washington Seminar, and they do so for other students as > well. I think this kind of affection and genuine caring is really > important. It helps students trust their teachers and be willing to > take on challenging assignments, and it helps the teachers trust their > students enough to give them those challenges. I think the warmth, > positivity, and belief our instructors have in their students is the > real ingredient that makes our centers so exceptional-even more so > than the curriculum. > Arielle > > On 8/14/11, David Dodge wrote: >> Chris, >> I have visited the Louisiana Center before and know several people that > have >> gone there. Generally, they describe it as one of the most extraordinary >> experiences. >> >> When I visited the staff was very kind and full of information. They are >> proud of what they do there. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> State University of New York Student Assembly >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:50 AM, chris nusbaum >> wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >>> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >>> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >>> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >>> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >>> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >>> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >>> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >>> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >>> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >>> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >>> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >>> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> > Hello Justin and everyone, >>> > >>> > For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the > Carroll >>> > Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >>> > saw >>> > the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >>> > What >>> > can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>> "Dying." >>> > If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>> need >>> > once and it will last you a life time. >>> > >>> > Peter Donahue >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>> > To: >>> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>> > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> > >>> > >>> > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >>> with >>> > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>> > >>> > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>> > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience > with >>> all >>> > of the other students involved. If only considering the social >>> > frontier, >>> I >>> > highly recommend it. >>> > >>> > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>> Real >>> > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>> experience >>> > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>> that I >>> > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, >>> > so >>> I >>> > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >>> use >>> > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>> > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>> > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during > O&M >>> > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >>> but >>> > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >>> I >>> > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>> the >>> > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will > learn >>> all >>> > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a > stable >>> > visual field and acuity. >>> > >>> > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was > before >>> I >>> > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>> > chosen. >>> > >>> > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >>> > confidence >>> > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >>> > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>> devices, >>> > and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >>> > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >>> > we >>> > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >>> > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>> > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>> students >>> > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >>> > activities >>> > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >>> saw >>> > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>> were >>> > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>> talk," >>> > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >>> led >>> > to self-awareness and confidence building. >>> > >>> > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>> skills >>> > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>> > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >>> by >>> > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>> > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different > students >>> > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>> responsible >>> > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>> had >>> > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >>> they >>> > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us >>> > at >>> a >>> > distance while we were in the environment. >>> > >>> > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at > the >>> end >>> > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. > They >>> > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>> > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >>> > They >>> > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>> center >>> > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live > in >>> a >>> > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >>> > but >>> it >>> > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>> dining >>> > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >>> > navigate >>> > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>> > counter-clockwise direction. >>> > >>> > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, > but >>> it >>> > is not the very best option available. >>> > >>> > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>> > >>> > Justin >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Justin M. Salisbury >>> > Undergraduate Student >>> > The University Honors Program >>> > East Carolina University >>> > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> > >>> > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> > the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -MARGARET > MEAD >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. > com >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gma > il.com >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.e > du >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co > m >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gma il.com > -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai l.com From carlymih at earthlink.net Tue Aug 16 00:02:57 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:02:57 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind In-Reply-To: References: <4e4856f2.41cce00a.640e.58c7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110815160618.01d5cf90@earthlink.net> Hi, Angelina, In my opinion, being one, in ability/disability with your instructor can offer a most realistic and humbling glimpse, into what blindness is really, about. My partner is a budding, blind travel instructor himself and it is quite a treat getting "lost" together, relying on our equivalent, abilities to, strategize locating us, in a manner that is not necessarily pretentious or high fallutin. In my opinion, it is your experience at BISM, amongst blind instructors that empowered you so, building your confidence because you we forever aware that, it was you and the instructor upon level playing field. How empowering! for today, Car :32 PM 8/15/2011, Anjelina wrote: >Hi all, >I first attended BISM's WINGS summer youth program in high school >after going totally blind. For me, the program provided me a glimpse >into higher expectations, independent blind adults and the believe >that blindness didn't have to be a huge barrier. While not every >program is going to get all the various elements right during the >first, second or third try, the albeit sometimes slow tide of change >is a testament to success. >WINGS was not perfect. What program whose aim is to teach about life >is going to not expose students to the bumps of life? We saw staff >make mistakes, misjudge travel routes, and express frustrations--for >me they were showing the true foibles of blindness. >Just my thoughts > >-----Original Message----- From: chris nusbaum >Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:02 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > >Hi Arielle and Rania, > >Thank you so much! That helps a lot! Rania, what did you like at BISM? >Was Loretta White the youth services director when you went? She was >when I went for Kids Camp, and I had some bad experiences there. > >Chris > >On 8/14/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >>Bism was a good center as well. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>Of Arielle Silverman >>Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 6:16 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> >>Hi all, >>When deciding which training center to go to, there are lots of >>factors to consider. Training centers differ in what skills they teach >>and how they teach them (i.e. with or without sleepshades) and it's >>important to evaluate their teaching philosophies to determine which >>one is best for you. However, there's another dimension that sometimes >>gets missed and that's the "feel" of the center-and in particular how >>the staff feel about their students and their jobs. This is one area >>where I think NFB likely beats them all. I went through the adult >>program at LCB and I've talked to lots of students and staff at CCB >>and BLIND, Inc. and it's clear that with few exceptions, the staff at >>all three of our centers (1) love their jobs and (2) actually care >>about their students. These things seem obvious, but you'd be >>surprised. When I was growing up I went to a local day summer program >>for blind kids. This wasn't a center per se, but they had lots of >>social activities for the kids and attempted to teach some skills, >>like assistive tech. Anyway, I remember overhearing staff members at >>this program talking to each other about how they couldn't wait for >>the program to end or to get time off. Staff were often irritable and >>got frustrated with kids who cried or got upset or kids with >>intellectual disabilities who took longer to catch on. Furthermore, it >>was made clear the adults were in charge and attempts by kids to >>mentor other kids were discouraged. I liked the program because of all >>the friends I made there, but the attitudes of the staff always got to >>me. I was quickly impressed when I got to LCB, and even before that >>when I worked one of the kids' science camps at the Jernigan >>Institute, by how patient and loving and dedicated our teachers are. I >>recall one of the LCB instructors waiting a half-hour past closing >>time for a student to find her way to the classroom door on her own. >>This is an easy task for many of us, but for someone who has always >>been guided without a cane it can be very challenging. The teacher >>could have just guided her to speed things up or yelled at her for not >>being independent enough, which is probably what would have happened >>at my old summer camp, but he didn't. He was willing to spend the >>extra time so a student could learn a new skill and gain confidence. >>It is clear the instructors at the centers are not just working there >>for a paycheck. Many of them will talk freely and sincerely about how >>much they enjoy their jobs, but it is also apparent in their demeanor >>and actions. Even though I graduated from LCB in 2008, my instructors >>still come up and hug me and ask how I've been when I see them at >>convention or Washington Seminar, and they do so for other students as >>well. I think this kind of affection and genuine caring is really >>important. It helps students trust their teachers and be willing to >>take on challenging assignments, and it helps the teachers trust their >>students enough to give them those challenges. I think the warmth, >>positivity, and belief our instructors have in their students is the >>real ingredient that makes our centers so exceptional-even more so >>than the curriculum. >>Arielle >> >>On 8/14/11, David Dodge wrote: >>>Chris, >>>I have visited the Louisiana Center before and know several people that >>have >>>gone there. Generally, they describe it as one of the most extraordinary >>>experiences. >>> >>>When I visited the staff was very kind and full of information. They are >>>proud of what they do there. >>> >>>David >>>---------------------------------- >>>David Dodge >>>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>State University of New York Student Assembly >>>English Major >>>University at Buffalo >>>306 Clemens Hall >>>Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>>On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:50 AM, chris nusbaum >>>wrote: >>> >>>>Hi everyone, >>>> >>>>This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >>>>start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >>>>attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >>>>BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >>>>from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >>>>next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >>>>Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >>>>were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >>>>program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >>>>in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >>>>be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >>>>going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >>>>9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! >>>> >>>>Chris >>>> >>>>On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> > Hello Justin and everyone, >>>> > >>>> > For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the >>Carroll >>>> > Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >>>> > saw >>>> > the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >>>> > What >>>> > can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>>>"Dying." >>>> > If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>>>need >>>> > once and it will last you a life time. >>>> > >>>> > Peter Donahue >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>>> > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>>> > To: >>>> > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>>> > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two >>>> consecutive > summers >>>>with >>>> > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>>> > >>>> > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>>> > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience >>with >>>>all >>>> > of the other students involved. If only considering the social >>>> > frontier, >>>>I >>>> > highly recommend it. >>>> > >>>> > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>>>Real >>>> > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>>>experience >>>> > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>>>that I >>>> > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, >>>> > so >>>>I >>>> > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They >>>> taught me > to >>>>use >>>> > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>>> > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>>> > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during >>O&M >>>> > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of >>>> great > things, >>>>but >>>> > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things > >>>> non-visually. >>>> I >>>> > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>>>the >>>> > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will >>learn >>>>all >>>> > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a >>stable >>>> > visual field and acuity. >>>> > >>>> > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was >>before >>>>I >>>> > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>>> > chosen. >>>> > >>>> > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >>>> > confidence >>>> > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, >>>> how to > do >>>> > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>>>devices, >>>> > and they had a class called "personal management," where they >>>> taught > us >>>> > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >>>> > we >>>> > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it >>>> and > suggest >>>> > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>>> > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>>>students >>>> > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >>>> > activities >>>> > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long >>>> time. We > also >>>>saw >>>> > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>>>were >>>> > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>>>talk," >>>> > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues >>>> that > often >>>>led >>>> > to self-awareness and confidence building. >>>> > >>>> > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>>>skills >>>> > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>>> > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we >>>> were > paid >>>>by >>>> > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>>> > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different >>students >>>> > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>>>responsible >>>> > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>>>had >>>> > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the >>>> program, > so >>>>they >>>> > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us >>>> > at >>>>a >>>> > distance while we were in the environment. >>>> > >>>> > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at >>the >>>>end >>>> > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. >>They >>>> > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>>> > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >>>> > They >>>> > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>>>center >>>> > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live >>in >>>>a >>>> > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >>>> > but >>>>it >>>> > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>>>dining >>>> > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >>>> > navigate >>>> > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>>> > counter-clockwise direction. >>>> > >>>> > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, >>but >>>>it >>>> > is not the very best option available. >>>> > >>>> > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>>> > >>>> > Justin >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Justin M. Salisbury >>>> > Undergraduate Student >>>> > The University Honors Program >>>> > East Carolina University >>>> > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>>> > >>>> > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>>>change >>>> > the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -MARGARET >>MEAD >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. >>com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gma >>il.com >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>>Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>>> >>>>Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>>> >>>>Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>>> >>>>Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>>>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>>impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.e >>du >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co >>m >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>l.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > >-- >Chris Nusbaum > >Sales and Advertising Coordinator > >Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > >Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > >Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > > >Anjelina > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 00:27:50 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:27:50 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog Message-ID: <4e49b9a5.634dec0a.2d40.ffffe6ff@mx.google.com> It focuses on all aspects of his life, and how he ended up with Roselle. The book chapters focus on how he overcame the adjustment phase of blindness. It's basically a biography with the story of how he and Roselle got out of the twin towers and World Trade Center alive. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: References: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: <0BB1AA46-C326-4C3C-8E8D-9B26F2BF753A@gmail.com> Hi Liz, I'm glad you mentioned this aspect of blindness skills training. I have a few friends who have struggled with figuring out how to balance when to use alternative techniques, and when using remaining vision may be more suitable. Vision is a hardwired sense, and I doubt it's always easy to just not use what one has. Does anyone know if NFB philosophy-based centered have addressed this issue? Anjelina Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Liz Bottner wrote: > Hi all, > Personally, my view is that if you have some remaining vision, you > should be taught how to effectively use that (visual efficiency) as well as > nonvisual techniques so that you have both tools in your toolbox. There may > be times when using your remaining vision for a task is preferred and > totally fine, and yet others where employing a nonvisual technique is more > feasible. My concern is that NFB centers do not focus on teaching those with > low vision how to use their remaining vision effectively alongside nonvisual > techniques. If I am wrong in this assertion, someone please feel free to set > me straight. I realize and completely agree that the value of sleep shades > to a person with low vision is of crucial importance because it builds > confidence and instills the idea that vision isn't everything, but as I said > earlier, if someone has usable vision, they should be encouraged to use it > if it will end up helping them. > > Just my view, for what it's worth. > > Take care. > > Liz Bottner > Guiding Eyes Graduate Council > GEB Voicemail: 800-942-0149 Ext. 2531 > e-mail: > liziswhatis at hotmail.com > Visit my LiveJournal: > http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: > http://twitter.com/lizbot > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Salisbury, Justin Mark > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:58 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers with > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. > > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with all > of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, I > highly recommend it. > > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the experience > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that I > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so I > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to use > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, but > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn all > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable > visual field and acuity. > > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have > chosen. > > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, > and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other students > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also saw > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we were > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people talk," > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often led > to self-awareness and confidence building. > > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were responsible > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so they > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at a > distance while we were in the environment. > > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the end > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training center > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but it > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the dining > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or > counter-clockwise direction. > > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but it > is not the very best option available. > > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. > > Justin > > > > Justin M. Salisbury > Undergraduate Student > The University Honors Program > East Carolina University > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu > > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change > the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -MARGARET MEAD > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liziswhatis%40hotmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Aug 16 01:20:13 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:20:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog In-Reply-To: <4e49b9a5.634dec0a.2d40.ffffe6ff@mx.google.com> References: <4e49b9a5.634dec0a.2d40.ffffe6ff@mx.google.com> Message-ID: sounds like a good book then. I wasn't aware it covered early parts of his life. I'll get the book too. -----Original Message----- From: Beth Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog It focuses on all aspects of his life, and how he ended up with Roselle. The book chapters focus on how he overcame the adjustment phase of blindness. It's basically a biography with the story of how he and Roselle got out of the twin towers and World Trade Center alive. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: <0BB1AA46-C326-4C3C-8E8D-9B26F2BF753A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000b01cc5bb4$770244a0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello everyone, Yup. Through the use of sleepshades. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anjelina" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind Hi Liz, I'm glad you mentioned this aspect of blindness skills training. I have a few friends who have struggled with figuring out how to balance when to use alternative techniques, and when using remaining vision may be more suitable. Vision is a hardwired sense, and I doubt it's always easy to just not use what one has. Does anyone know if NFB philosophy-based centered have addressed this issue? Anjelina Sent from my iPhone On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Liz Bottner wrote: > Hi all, > Personally, my view is that if you have some remaining vision, you > should be taught how to effectively use that (visual efficiency) as well > as > nonvisual techniques so that you have both tools in your toolbox. There > may > be times when using your remaining vision for a task is preferred and > totally fine, and yet others where employing a nonvisual technique is more > feasible. My concern is that NFB centers do not focus on teaching those > with > low vision how to use their remaining vision effectively alongside > nonvisual > techniques. If I am wrong in this assertion, someone please feel free to > set > me straight. I realize and completely agree that the value of sleep shades > to a person with low vision is of crucial importance because it builds > confidence and instills the idea that vision isn't everything, but as I > said > earlier, if someone has usable vision, they should be encouraged to use it > if it will end up helping them. > > Just my view, for what it's worth. > > Take care. > > Liz Bottner > Guiding Eyes Graduate Council > GEB Voicemail: 800-942-0149 Ext. 2531 > e-mail: > liziswhatis at hotmail.com > Visit my LiveJournal: > http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com > Follow me on Twitter: > http://twitter.com/lizbot > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Salisbury, Justin Mark > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:58 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers > with > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. > > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with > all > of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, > I > highly recommend it. > > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the > experience > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that > I > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so > I > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to > use > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, > but > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn > all > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable > visual field and acuity. > > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have > chosen. > > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, > and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other > students > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also > saw > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we > were > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people > talk," > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often > led > to self-awareness and confidence building. > > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were > responsible > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so > they > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at > a > distance while we were in the environment. > > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the > end > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training > center > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but > it > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the > dining > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or > counter-clockwise direction. > > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but > it > is not the very best option available. > > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. > > Justin > > > > Justin M. Salisbury > Undergraduate Student > The University Honors Program > East Carolina University > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu > > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can > change > the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -MARGARET MEAD > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liziswhatis%40hotmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 02:04:15 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:04:15 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind In-Reply-To: <000b01cc5bb4$770244a0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> <0BB1AA46-C326-4C3C-8E8D-9B26F2BF753A@gmail.com> <000b01cc5bb4$770244a0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Hi all, Liz, I think your points about use of remaining vision are very reasonable. One thing I'm curious about is whether the efficient use of remaining vision needs to be taught. Obviously nonvisual techniques have to be taught initially, although some of them are ones we just come up with on our own. But does one need to be taught how to utilize residual vision or is doing so more automatic? Since I have very little usable vision, I don't know the answer to this question and am genuinely curious. I do know I automatically use my tiny bit of residual light perception to avoid some obstacles and to stay lined up when crossing the street, and no one taught me that. I do know this method is not always reliable and I don't always detect obstacles or curbs with my eyes if the lighting isn't right, which is why I'm glad I know how to use my cane and sound to accomplish those tasks. But I'm not sure there's anything else an instructor could teach me about how to locate obstacles or curbs with my eyes because it kind of just happens without my thinking about it. What do you think? Arielle On 8/15/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Yup. Through the use of sleepshades. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anjelina" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:44 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > > > Hi Liz, > I'm glad you mentioned this aspect of blindness skills training. I have a > few friends who have struggled with figuring out how to balance when to use > alternative techniques, and when using remaining vision may be more > suitable. Vision is a hardwired sense, and I doubt it's always easy to just > not use what one has. Does anyone know if NFB philosophy-based centered have > addressed this issue? > > Anjelina > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Liz Bottner wrote: > >> Hi all, >> Personally, my view is that if you have some remaining vision, you >> should be taught how to effectively use that (visual efficiency) as well >> as >> nonvisual techniques so that you have both tools in your toolbox. There >> may >> be times when using your remaining vision for a task is preferred and >> totally fine, and yet others where employing a nonvisual technique is more >> feasible. My concern is that NFB centers do not focus on teaching those >> with >> low vision how to use their remaining vision effectively alongside >> nonvisual >> techniques. If I am wrong in this assertion, someone please feel free to >> set >> me straight. I realize and completely agree that the value of sleep shades >> to a person with low vision is of crucial importance because it builds >> confidence and instills the idea that vision isn't everything, but as I >> said >> earlier, if someone has usable vision, they should be encouraged to use it >> if it will end up helping them. >> >> Just my view, for what it's worth. >> >> Take care. >> >> Liz Bottner >> Guiding Eyes Graduate Council >> GEB Voicemail: 800-942-0149 Ext. 2531 >> e-mail: >> liziswhatis at hotmail.com >> Visit my LiveJournal: >> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com >> Follow me on Twitter: >> http://twitter.com/lizbot >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Salisbury, Justin Mark >> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:58 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> >> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >> with >> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >> >> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >> all >> of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, >> I >> highly recommend it. >> >> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real >> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >> experience >> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that >> >> I >> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so >> I >> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >> use >> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >> but >> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I >> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the >> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >> all >> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >> visual field and acuity. >> >> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I >> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >> chosen. >> >> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence >> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, >> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we >> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >> students >> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities >> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >> saw >> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >> were >> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >> talk," >> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >> led >> to self-awareness and confidence building. >> >> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills >> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by >> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >> responsible >> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had >> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >> they >> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at >> a >> distance while we were in the environment. >> >> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >> end >> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They >> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >> center >> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a >> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but >> it >> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >> dining >> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate >> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >> counter-clockwise direction. >> >> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >> it >> is not the very best option available. >> >> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >> >> Justin >> >> >> >> Justin M. Salisbury >> Undergraduate Student >> The University Honors Program >> East Carolina University >> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >> >> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >> change >> the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -MARGARET MEAD >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liziswhatis%40hotmai >> l.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 02:12:50 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:12:50 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. In-Reply-To: References: <5BB297BC55394431B1BC005DA45A42FC@HumbertoAvila> <7.0.1.0.2.20110815160110.01d3f7d0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Joshua, Do you have a hearing impairment? If so, would hearing aids be helpful, or would they just make it harder to hear? As far as blindness goes, if blindness is your only issue, it seems like getting an orientation to the controls the first time is all that's necessary, unless the video program itself isn't accessible. Arielle On 8/15/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > I like Western Civ. > I didn't have any trouble, but the hearing issue, with Compressed > video is my main problem > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/15/11, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >> >> >> Good afternoon, >> >> 'Seems, concepts in Western Civ are pretty generic and can be >> learned elseware, in a manner that is more condusive to the blind >> student's retention? >> for today, >> Car >>>Can you wait until it is in the classroom? >>> >>>If not, remember you still have the ability to e-mail the professor. I >>>suggest you contact them and let them know what your concerns are and see >>> if >>>they have any suggestions. >>> >>>Good luck. By the way, where are you going to school? >>> >>>PS - Western Civ is pretty straightforward. >>> >>>David >>>---------------------------------- >>>David Dodge >>>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>State University of New York Student Assembly >>>English Major >>>University at Buffalo >>>306 Clemens Hall >>>Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>>On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Joshua Lester < >>>jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote: >>> >>> > Compressed video is as follows. >>> > The instructor is on another campus, but is connected to us, by a >>> > computer. >>> > They have a setup, where they can hear us, and see us, and we can see, >>> > and hear them, via computer, but it isn't Skype. >>> > You also have to use the TV in order to work it, and there's a special >>> > button, on the remote, that you have to push, in order to get the >>> > instructor's attention, in the classroom, if you want to ask a >>> > question, or comment on something. >>> > It's complecated, and that's why I hate it. >>> > Blessings, Joshua >>> > >>> > On 8/15/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>> > > Hello, >>> > > What is compressed video? >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -----Original Message----- >>> > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> > Behalf >>> > > Of Joshua Lester >>> > > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 2:39 PM >>> > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> > > Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. >>> > > >>> > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> > > Well, another semester of college is upon me. >>> > > I start back, this wednesday, at 2 PM, with Intermediate Algebra. >>> > > On thursday, I have American federal Government, and World literature >>> > > 1. >>> > > I have American Federal Government, every tuesday, and thursday. >>> > > On tuesday night, I have Western Civilization 1, which is why I'm >>> > > telling you this. >>> > > This class would have been no problem, if the normal instructor was >>> > > teaching it, but it's now compressed video, (like my Sociology class, >>> > > from last semester.) >>> > > I hate compressed video, with a passion! >>> > > I've explained it in detail, last year. >>> > > Do any of you have a compressed video class, this year? >>> > > Last semester, it was a teacher that I've met, but this year, I don't >>> > > know this instructor, and he doesn't know me. >>> > > This will be a challenge for me, as a blind person, but I know i can >>> > > overcome it. >>> > > Any advice for dealing with a stranger, via compressed video? >>> > > Thanks, Joshua >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > nabs-l mailing list >>> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > > nabs-l: >>> > > >>> > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>> > > %40gmail.com >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > nabs-l mailing list >>> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > > nabs-l: >>> > > >>> > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> > > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Aug 16 02:22:38 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:22:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. In-Reply-To: References: <5BB297BC55394431B1BC005DA45A42FC@HumbertoAvila> <7.0.1.0.2.20110815160110.01d3f7d0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Arielle: I'm not hearing impaired, but I have a difficult time understanding the instructor, when they move away from the microphone. The sound gets muffled, when they do that. Also, when they rattle paper, (turning the pages in a book,) (students do this too,) it's very hard to hear what's being said. Blessings, Joshua On 8/15/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Joshua, > Do you have a hearing impairment? If so, would hearing aids be > helpful, or would they just make it harder to hear? > As far as blindness goes, if blindness is your only issue, it seems > like getting an orientation to the controls the first time is all > that's necessary, unless the video program itself isn't accessible. > Arielle > > On 8/15/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I like Western Civ. >> I didn't have any trouble, but the hearing issue, with Compressed >> video is my main problem >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 8/15/11, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >>> >>> >>> Good afternoon, >>> >>> 'Seems, concepts in Western Civ are pretty generic and can be >>> learned elseware, in a manner that is more condusive to the blind >>> student's retention? >>> for today, >>> Car >>>>Can you wait until it is in the classroom? >>>> >>>>If not, remember you still have the ability to e-mail the professor. I >>>>suggest you contact them and let them know what your concerns are and see >>>> if >>>>they have any suggestions. >>>> >>>>Good luck. By the way, where are you going to school? >>>> >>>>PS - Western Civ is pretty straightforward. >>>> >>>>David >>>>---------------------------------- >>>>David Dodge >>>>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>>State University of New York Student Assembly >>>>English Major >>>>University at Buffalo >>>>306 Clemens Hall >>>>Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>>daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>> >>>> >>>>On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Joshua Lester < >>>>jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Compressed video is as follows. >>>> > The instructor is on another campus, but is connected to us, by a >>>> > computer. >>>> > They have a setup, where they can hear us, and see us, and we can see, >>>> > and hear them, via computer, but it isn't Skype. >>>> > You also have to use the TV in order to work it, and there's a special >>>> > button, on the remote, that you have to push, in order to get the >>>> > instructor's attention, in the classroom, if you want to ask a >>>> > question, or comment on something. >>>> > It's complecated, and that's why I hate it. >>>> > Blessings, Joshua >>>> > >>>> > On 8/15/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>> > > Hello, >>>> > > What is compressed video? >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > -----Original Message----- >>>> > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >>>> > > On >>>> > Behalf >>>> > > Of Joshua Lester >>>> > > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 2:39 PM >>>> > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> > > Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. >>>> > > >>>> > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> > > Well, another semester of college is upon me. >>>> > > I start back, this wednesday, at 2 PM, with Intermediate Algebra. >>>> > > On thursday, I have American federal Government, and World >>>> > > literature >>>> > > 1. >>>> > > I have American Federal Government, every tuesday, and thursday. >>>> > > On tuesday night, I have Western Civilization 1, which is why I'm >>>> > > telling you this. >>>> > > This class would have been no problem, if the normal instructor was >>>> > > teaching it, but it's now compressed video, (like my Sociology >>>> > > class, >>>> > > from last semester.) >>>> > > I hate compressed video, with a passion! >>>> > > I've explained it in detail, last year. >>>> > > Do any of you have a compressed video class, this year? >>>> > > Last semester, it was a teacher that I've met, but this year, I >>>> > > don't >>>> > > know this instructor, and he doesn't know me. >>>> > > This will be a challenge for me, as a blind person, but I know i can >>>> > > overcome it. >>>> > > Any advice for dealing with a stranger, via compressed video? >>>> > > Thanks, Joshua >>>> > > >>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>> > > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> > > for >>>> > > nabs-l: >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>>> > > %40gmail.com >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>> > > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> > > for >>>> > > nabs-l: >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>>> > >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dandrews at visi.com Tue Aug 16 02:44:13 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:44:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] [Fabs] Conklin Center for the Blind, Lighthouse of broward and Florida division of blind services Rehabilitation Center for the blind and Visually Impaired In-Reply-To: <26687C4ECF26444EB698D8B96A7ED2BF@1x3pqn1> References: <26687C4ECF26444EB698D8B96A7ED2BF@1x3pqn1> Message-ID: It is only necessary to post your message once. Once again you are on very thin ice and about to get thrown off once again. David Andrews, List Owner At 11:59 AM 8/15/2011, Alexander Kaiser wrote: >Attention All blind Floridians, >Hi my name is Alexander Kaiser. I would like to find out >experiential opinions of recent attendees of the Conklin Center >for the Blind, recent attendees of the Lighthouse of broward and >recent attendees of the Florida division of blind services >Rehabilitation Center for the blind and Visually Impaired . I also >would like to have a good consensus of each center because I will be >attending the Conklin Center for the Blind within the next 6 months >with a possible transfer to Florida Blind Services rehabilitation >center for the Blind and Visually Impaired, or the Lighthouse of >broward. I would like to know if any of the 3 centers are highly >recommended or not and what their reputations are as training >facilities and what to expect from the Conklin Center for the Blind, >Lighthouse of Broward and Florida Division of Blind services >rehabilitation center for the Blind and Visually Impaired. Are >services at all three places providing sufficient enough training >for all blind individuals to gain their independence? Are any of >these centers highly recommended by the National Federation of the >Blind amd Florida Council of the Blind? Please write back as >immediately as possible. My email address is >AScottKaiser90 at inbox.com. I can be contacted off list on my cell >phone at 9 7 3 5 2 5 8 0 9 6. >Sincerely, >Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser > >____________________________________________________________ >Publish your photos in seconds for FREE >TRY IM TOOLPACK at http://www.imtoolpack.com/default.aspx?rc=if4 >_______________________________________________ >Fabs mailing list >Fabs at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/fabs_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Fabs: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/fabs_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com From liziswhatis at hotmail.com Tue Aug 16 04:20:31 2011 From: liziswhatis at hotmail.com (Liz Bottner) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:20:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind In-Reply-To: References: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> <0BB1AA46-C326-4C3C-8E8D-9B26F2BF753A@gmail.com> <000b01cc5bb4$770244a0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Hi Arielle and all, I do think that at least to some degree, effective use of vision needs to be taught. Some things might come naturally, but others might not. For a person with a central field loss, he or she might not know that by using eccentric vision, (peripheral vision) objects will come into focus easier. That is just one example. Having no vision to speak of myself, I cannot personally speak to this, however I have heard stories from and about people who struggled with using or not using their vision doing this or that and what a difference it made when they were taught techniques for using their remaining vision effectively. I think visual efficiency coupled with nonvisual techniques is a recipe for success in the case of someone who has usable remaining vision. Liz Bottner Guiding Eyes Graduate Council GEB Voicemail: 800-942-0149 Ext. 2531 e-mail: liziswhatis at hotmail.com Visit my LiveJournal: http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/lizbot -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:04 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind Hi all, Liz, I think your points about use of remaining vision are very reasonable. One thing I'm curious about is whether the efficient use of remaining vision needs to be taught. Obviously nonvisual techniques have to be taught initially, although some of them are ones we just come up with on our own. But does one need to be taught how to utilize residual vision or is doing so more automatic? Since I have very little usable vision, I don't know the answer to this question and am genuinely curious. I do know I automatically use my tiny bit of residual light perception to avoid some obstacles and to stay lined up when crossing the street, and no one taught me that. I do know this method is not always reliable and I don't always detect obstacles or curbs with my eyes if the lighting isn't right, which is why I'm glad I know how to use my cane and sound to accomplish those tasks. But I'm not sure there's anything else an instructor could teach me about how to locate obstacles or curbs with my eyes because it kind of just happens without my thinking about it. What do you think? Arielle On 8/15/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Yup. Through the use of sleepshades. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anjelina" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:44 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > > > Hi Liz, > I'm glad you mentioned this aspect of blindness skills training. I have a > few friends who have struggled with figuring out how to balance when to use > alternative techniques, and when using remaining vision may be more > suitable. Vision is a hardwired sense, and I doubt it's always easy to just > not use what one has. Does anyone know if NFB philosophy-based centered have > addressed this issue? > > Anjelina > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Liz Bottner wrote: > >> Hi all, >> Personally, my view is that if you have some remaining vision, you >> should be taught how to effectively use that (visual efficiency) as well >> as >> nonvisual techniques so that you have both tools in your toolbox. There >> may >> be times when using your remaining vision for a task is preferred and >> totally fine, and yet others where employing a nonvisual technique is more >> feasible. My concern is that NFB centers do not focus on teaching those >> with >> low vision how to use their remaining vision effectively alongside >> nonvisual >> techniques. If I am wrong in this assertion, someone please feel free to >> set >> me straight. I realize and completely agree that the value of sleep shades >> to a person with low vision is of crucial importance because it builds >> confidence and instills the idea that vision isn't everything, but as I >> said >> earlier, if someone has usable vision, they should be encouraged to use it >> if it will end up helping them. >> >> Just my view, for what it's worth. >> >> Take care. >> >> Liz Bottner >> Guiding Eyes Graduate Council >> GEB Voicemail: 800-942-0149 Ext. 2531 >> e-mail: >> liziswhatis at hotmail.com >> Visit my LiveJournal: >> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com >> Follow me on Twitter: >> http://twitter.com/lizbot >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Salisbury, Justin Mark >> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:58 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> >> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >> with >> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >> >> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >> all >> of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, >> I >> highly recommend it. >> >> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real >> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >> experience >> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that >> >> I >> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so >> I >> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >> use >> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >> but >> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I >> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the >> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >> all >> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >> visual field and acuity. >> >> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I >> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >> chosen. >> >> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence >> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, >> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we >> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >> students >> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities >> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >> saw >> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >> were >> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >> talk," >> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >> led >> to self-awareness and confidence building. >> >> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills >> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by >> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >> responsible >> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had >> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >> they >> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at >> a >> distance while we were in the environment. >> >> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >> end >> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They >> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >> center >> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a >> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but >> it >> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >> dining >> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate >> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >> counter-clockwise direction. >> >> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >> it >> is not the very best option available. >> >> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >> >> Justin >> >> >> >> Justin M. Salisbury >> Undergraduate Student >> The University Honors Program >> East Carolina University >> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >> >> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >> change >> the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -MARGARET MEAD >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liziswhatis%40hotmai >> l.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co m > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liziswhatis%40hotmai l.com From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Tue Aug 16 14:26:51 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 09:26:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND OF TEXAS SanAntonio Chapter Announces Braille Class Message-ID: <005f01cc5c20$8b2af960$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Good morning everyone, The National Federation of the Blind of Texas San Antonio Chapter is sponsoring a Braille class which will take place beginning on Saturday, August 20, 2011, from 10:30 A.M. to 12:15 P.M. at the Bordon Building, 4241 E Piedras Drive, San Antonio, Texas 78228, on the corner of Centerview and East Piedras Drive. Blind youth, blind adults, and blind children and their parents are welcome to register. Sighted adults who have a connection with blind people are also welcome to enroll. At present, 90 percent of blind children are not taught Braille, and 70 percent of blind adults are unemployed. With the upcoming Braille class, prospective students will learn to read and write Braille, as well as learn various ways of using Braille in their daily lives. Students will learn Braille from successful blind role models that use Braille on a daily basis. By enrolling in the Braille class, students will gain knowledge, fulfillment, self-esteem, and belief in themselves by learning a whole new system of reading and writing. To register for the Braille class online, or For more information about Braille literacy, visit the Braille information page on the Chapter Web site at http://www.nfbsatx.org If you know of blind persons, parents of blind children, or blindness professionals in the greater San Antonio area who may benefit by enrolling in this Braille class please share this information with them. For questions and additional information about the Braille class, contact Mary Donahue, Braille class instructor, at (210) 826-9579, email: Braille at satx.rr.com. "Will you come and awake our lost land from its slumber And her fetters we'll break, links that long are encumbered. And the air will resound with hosannas to greet you On the shore will be found gallant Irishmen to greet you." Will You Come to the Bower Traditional Irish Folk Song From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 14:29:56 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:29:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1D1A5FBAF0A542D580C30E099259387C@Cptr233> I have never heard of "compressed video" class. I am familiar with online classes, and hybred class, but not this one. I would imagine that you would want to approach it as it were a online class. For example I will be taking my second online class this semester, I have already met my professer in person, and talked about the things I need that are different from those who are sighted. I have also talked to my professor about the difficulties I have with the online part of the class, but more its accessibility. 2cents worth, Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 5:39 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. Hi, it's Joshua Lester. Well, another semester of college is upon me. I start back, this wednesday, at 2 PM, with Intermediate Algebra. On thursday, I have American federal Government, and World literature 1. I have American Federal Government, every tuesday, and thursday. On tuesday night, I have Western Civilization 1, which is why I'm telling you this. This class would have been no problem, if the normal instructor was teaching it, but it's now compressed video, (like my Sociology class, from last semester.) I hate compressed video, with a passion! I've explained it in detail, last year. Do any of you have a compressed video class, this year? Last semester, it was a teacher that I've met, but this year, I don't know this instructor, and he doesn't know me. This will be a challenge for me, as a blind person, but I know i can overcome it. Any advice for dealing with a stranger, via compressed video? Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmai l.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6380 (20110815) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6380 (20110815) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu Tue Aug 16 14:42:53 2011 From: SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu (Salisbury, Justin Mark) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:42:53 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind Message-ID: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02288DC3@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> I just want to summarize my view on the Carroll Center: If it's the only opportunity you have to get some skills that you don't already have, it can benefit you. If you have the opportunity to attend an NFB training center (or BISM, which Amy Phelps runs with an NFB philosophy), choose it over the Carroll Center 100 out of 100 times. I've never heard the "dying" thing about Father Carroll, but it does not surprise me. I would love to get a good Federationist to take over the management of the Carroll Center. Justin Justin M. Salisbury Undergraduate Student The University Honors Program East Carolina University salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org] Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:00 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to nabs-l at nfbnet.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org You can reach the person managing the list at nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (David Dunphy) 2. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (Justin Young) 3. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Kirt Manwaring) 4. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Heather Field) 5. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) 6. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (chris nusbaum) 7. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) 8. announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: new email address for the business (chris nusbaum) 9. The Carroll Center for the Blind (Salisbury, Justin Mark) 10. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (David Dodge) 11. Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a corrected link (Gabe Cazares) 12. AMerican Hero Dog Award (Beth) 13. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (Peter Donahue) 14. sending a message to all Gmail contacts? (chris nusbaum) 15. Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier (chris nusbaum) 16. Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. (chris nusbaum) 17. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (chris nusbaum) 18. Re: AMerican Hero Dog Award (chris nusbaum) 19. Re: Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a corrected link (chris nusbaum) 20. accessible iPod (Patrick Molloy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:11:26 -0400 From: David Dunphy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Everybody! I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye nabslinkaudio.org. So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and spam, etc. So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch to a new provider. During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back online again. Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get said messages and no one else and 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be validated by the owner Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense once you see it! If you have any questions, please email me at djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Thank you. >From David ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:29:42 -0400 From: Justin Young To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi David, No problem. I did three different programs. In the Summer of 2006 I did the Youth In Transition(YIT) program which is heavily focused upon daily living skills. There were classes from 8:45-3pm Mon-Fri. Then there was activities that you did clubs and stuff like that. Some were fun and some not really. You have the opportunity to do fencing, and other evening activities. Some of the evening ones were more arts/crafts style if I recall. Its hard to say with the extracurriculars cuz they changed ever year. The ones whichwere the same were Fencing, Sailing, shopping and others which I forget. The next Summer I did the Real World of Work Experience Program(RWWE) which was 5 weeks where the first week is doing the classes to make sure you can do all of it because like laundry you had to wait until after classes were over or on weekends as well. Once you begin working its great I must say. When I did it they selected a place for you and you were on the job site for Mon, Wed, Fri and Tues & Thu you went on Field Trips. Oh yes I forgot about those we went on those as well in YIT. They were to fun places, movies, golfing & stuff like that. For the RWWE program though on Thursdays we went on Work related field trips. Like once we went to the State House in Boston and tried to go to Cape Cod, but the van I was in broke down so couldn't do that one. There were still the activities in the afternoon and evening. I didn't really do the ones in the afternoon because I got back from work to late always. I worked at the Newton Welseley Hospital in the Receiving Department which was fun after I got a hand of what I was doing, the layout of the place and confidence that I could do it all. I delivered to depts mainly. For my Final Summer I and 4 others were involved in the pilot program of Transition To College(TTC) in the Summer of 2008. This program was 4 weeks where we did 2 at the Carroll Center like the YIT program and 2 at Boston College. The 2 weeks of the classes is to ensure we could do it while at BC. There was also a 2 week period before the program started for all in the program to do the Computing to College which is a computer program based in the Technology Center at the Carroll Center. I couldn't do this portion because I was finishing High School. While at BC we attended various seminars during the day and after I think 3pm it was we were free to do whatever we liked. We stayed in a dorm which was a suite style and had a supervisor in one of the 5 rooms with us. We were given each day $15 for food and had to give the supervisor all receipts of what we spent. We definitely got our exercise because our dorm was about a mile from the Education Building where our seminars took place. We went on a field trip or two I don't remember. I remember we went to either Boston University or one of the UMass schools. I and a few of the others in the program took the train to go places once or twice and a coffee shop was right on the edge of the college and not far from our dorm. So, I went there sometimes. It was a great three years full of making friends. The cons you asked? Hmm, well it really depends upon how you look at which program you are in. I would say that sometimes you were forced to do things you didn't really want to do which is why I really liked the BC living. I hope this helps you. Justin On 8/13/11, David Dodge wrote: > Justin, > Thanks for your e-mail. Clearly, you have a great deal of experience with > the center. Can you tell me about the program you were in, what you learned, > and how it helped you? Were there any cons to the center? Thanks so much. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Justin Young wrote: > >> Hi David, >> >> I have experience with this center since I spent 3 consecutive summers >> at the Corroll Center. I would be happy to answer any questions you >> may have. >> >> Justin Young >> >> On 8/12/11, David Dodge wrote: >> > Hello Everyone, >> > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind >> in >> > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >> center? >> > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >> > >> > David >> > ---------------------------------- >> > David Dodge >> > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> > State University of New York Student Assembly >> > English Major >> > University at Buffalo >> > 306 Clemens Hall >> > Buffalo, NY 14260 >> > daviddod at buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:52:23 -0600 From: Kirt Manwaring To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Peter, I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their own, I guess. Warmly, Kirt On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Joseph and everyone, > > Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. It > was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access for > blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping to > develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio > instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or > nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: > http://www.blio.com > > We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a great > product. Now to add more books to our collection. > > Peter Donahue > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "T. Joseph Carter" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > > The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be > accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works > you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* > > Joseph - kf7qzc > > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>Listers, >>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >> >>Thanks, >>Jan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>Behalf >> >>Of Anjelina >> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >> >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >> >>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt from >> >>paying the annual fee. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: Marsha Drenth >> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >> >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >> >>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >> >>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use >> >>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >> >>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >> >> >> >>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use >> >>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >> >>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. >> >> >> >>Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>signature >> >>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >> >> >> >>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> >> >>http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>nabs-l: >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >> >>com >> >> >> >> >> >>Anjelina >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>nabs-l: >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >> >>l.com >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:27:44 -0500 From: "Heather Field" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Hi Kurt, I downloaded Kindle for PC and then bought an ebook with speech enabled. However, I believe I still need an accessibility plugin or some such add-on to make it fully accessible. As you're having great success with using Kindle, can you please advise me as to what I need to do so I can read my ebook. Thanks so much. Heather -----Original Message----- From: Kirt Manwaring Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers Peter, I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their own, I guess. Warmly, Kirt On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Joseph and everyone, > > Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. It > was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access for > blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping > to > develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio > instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or > nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: > http://www.blio.com > > We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a great > product. Now to add more books to our collection. > > Peter Donahue > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "T. Joseph Carter" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > > The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be > accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works > you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* > > Joseph - kf7qzc > > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>Listers, >>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >> >>Thanks, >>Jan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>Behalf >> >>Of Anjelina >> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >> >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >> >>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>from >> >>paying the annual fee. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: Marsha Drenth >> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >> >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >> >>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >> >>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use >> >>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >> >>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >> >> >> >>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use >> >>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >> >>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. >> >> >> >>Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>signature >> >>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >> >> >> >>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> >> >>http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>nabs-l: >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >> >>com >> >> >> >> >> >>Anjelina >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>nabs-l: >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >> >>l.com >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/missheather%40comcast.net ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:49:43 -0400 From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read Message-ID: <1DD7E36205204D098FAF6758FBF60CAC at OwnerPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. -----Original Message----- From: David Dunphy Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read Hi Everybody! I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye nabslinkaudio.org. So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and spam, etc. So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch to a new provider. During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back online again. Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get said messages and no one else and 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be validated by the owner Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense once you see it! If you have any questions, please email me at djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Thank you. >From David _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:09:38 -0400 From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi David, Technical problems, technical problems! First, nabslinkaudio.org's Web hosting service motherboard fried, and I just got an email saying that AAR will be temporarily offline! Wow! I completely understand. Thanks for the update, and I look forward to listening to the meeting! Chris On 8/13/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Dunphy > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read > > Hi Everybody! > I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the > convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it > is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting > provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some > files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but > our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I > had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye > nabslinkaudio.org. > So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting > home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and > spam, etc. > So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the > nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch > to a new provider. > During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you > know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. > You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back > online again. > Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet > service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect > the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement > text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already > mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: > 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their > numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get > said messages and no one else > and > 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a > concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be > validated by the owner > Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense > once you see it! > If you have any questions, please email me at > djdrocks4ever at gmail.com > Thank you. > >From David > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:00:54 -0400 From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? Message-ID: <94D3A84AC9CB48E483A5C87D966FF189 at OwnerPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original David, What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation adult program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a short summer experience to comment on. I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult program because I am thinking of going back for training. Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it?s a shorter program since they have a new program called Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I known about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The teens in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I was friends with the RWWE students though. In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of field trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and RWWE had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each other since there was some overlap in experience. In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living skills. Its like the youth version of the rehab program. Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students had club activities and in the evening there were more activities and some of them were off campus. In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra curriculars and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already knew. I wonder if the adult program is more individualized with a good evaluation of skills before you learn skills in class. Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, and information technology. In communication some students learned braille but I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase a tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. In personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained things. There was another student in my class. We made cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had a lesson on putting on lipstick too. Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the bus. I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to Newton center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I had practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was ten years ago! I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay objects and painted them. I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or goal ball. On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to swim, but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually fun. I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and museums. I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision impaired. I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? Hello Everyone, A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind in Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific center? I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:28:47 -0400 From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list , Blind Talk Mailing List , "g List\" , \"nfbmd\" , \"nabs\" , \"maryland-l\" , \"Ross Hammond\" , \"alena roberts\"" Cc: Ariana Lipka , ariannas.art at gmail.com Subject: [nabs-l] announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: new email address for the business Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Hi everyone, I'd like to let everyone know of a new and exciting change in our painting business for the blind and sighted, Arianna's Art, Inc. We've just created an email account where you can send us questions, comments, suggestions, or any other information regarding our business. If you would like to advertise our product by displaying it at your next NFB, ACB, or any other meeting or event, or would like to advertise us in any other way, you can also contact us via this email. Our email address is ariannas.art at gmail.com. We're also trying to create an email list for people who would like to recieve announcements from us. In other words, if you specify that you would like to be added to our email list, we'll add your email address to our contacts list, and whenever we have a new announcement, we'll email it to you. If you'd like to recieve announcements from us, please leave us your name and email address at the above email. The email address once again is ariannas.art at gmail.com. Arianna has two n's and there's no apostrophe before the s. Hope to hear from you soon! Chris ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:57:40 +0000 From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind Message-ID: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94 at SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers with Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with all of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, I highly recommend it. I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the experience both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that I now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so I was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to use my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, but blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn all of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable visual field and acuity. I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have chosen. In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other students with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also saw a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we were adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people talk," was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often led to self-awareness and confidence building. In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were responsible for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so they weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at a distance while we were in the environment. At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the end of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training center would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but it does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the dining hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or counter-clockwise direction. The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but it is not the very best option available. I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. Justin Justin M. Salisbury Undergraduate Student The University Honors Program East Carolina University salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:03:06 -0400 From: David Dodge To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Thanks so much. He is doing the Youth in Transition program and is interested in doing some other programs as well. Good to know you had very positive experiences. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM, wrote: > David, > What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation adult > program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational > transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a > short summer experience to comment on. > I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult program > because I am thinking of going back for training. > > Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. > I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it?s a > shorter program since they have a new program called > Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the > students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I known > about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE > program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The teens > in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. > That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I > was friends with the RWWE students though. > In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of field > trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and RWWE > had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. > We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each other > since there was some overlap in experience. > > In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living skills. > Its like the youth version of the rehab program. > Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. > Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students > had club activities and in the evening > there were more activities and some of them were off campus. > In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class > period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra > curriculars and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already > knew. I wonder if the adult program is more individualized with a good > evaluation of skills before you learn skills in class. > > Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, and > information technology. In communication some students learned braille but > I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase a > tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. In > personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on > cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and > spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found > Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained things. > There was another student in my class. We made > cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had a > lesson on putting on lipstick too. > Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and > bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. > > IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and > went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the bus. > I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to Newton > center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I had > practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. > > The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was > ten years ago! > I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay > objects and painted them. > I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or goal > ball. > On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to swim, > but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping > night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. > > We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually fun. > I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where > they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and > outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to > know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and museums. > > I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student > who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision > impaired. > > I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. > -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? > > Hello Everyone, > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind in > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific > center? > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. > > David > ------------------------------**---- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:59:07 -0500 From: Gabe Cazares To: members , tabs_students , nabs-l Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a corrected link Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 FYI ...Gabe ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Andrews Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a corrected link To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > >Hello, > >Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at Ground >Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world about >its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. > >Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers list >for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and book >agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have purchased >your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one please >visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All copies >come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. > >Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. If >you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >lessons around >9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at bookstores. >Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to >me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before Roselle >passed on June 26, 2011. > >The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that "Thunder >Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. The >book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind convention >in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. > >I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated as a >candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane >Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the eight >finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a problem. >I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time and >vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >Alma Mater. > >Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As always, if >you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always looking >for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact >information. I hope all is well with you. > > >Best, > > >Mike Hingson > >The Michael Hingson Group, INC. > "Speaking with Vision" >Michael Hingson, President >(415) 827-4084 >info at michaelhingson.com >To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >www.michaelhingson.com > >Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at >www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 > >To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com _______________________________________________ Nfbnet-members-list mailing list Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org -- Gabriel M. Cazares, 2nd Vice President Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) www.nfbtx.org/tabs Phone: 713-581-0619 "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest willing to let them." -Robert Frost ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:57:26 -0600 From: Beth To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award Message-ID: <4e47aa32.87cee70a.3a4e.ffffa021 at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Hi, guys. I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. Thanks. Beth ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:08:02 -0500 From: "Peter Donahue" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind Message-ID: <003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43 at yourfsyly0jtwn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Hello Justin and everyone, For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a "Dying." If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you need once and it will last you a life time. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" To: Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers with Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with all of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, I highly recommend it. I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the experience both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that I now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so I was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to use my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, but blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn all of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable visual field and acuity. I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have chosen. In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other students with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also saw a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we were adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people talk," was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often led to self-awareness and confidence building. In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were responsible for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so they weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at a distance while we were in the environment. At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the end of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training center would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but it does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the dining hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or counter-clockwise direction. The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but it is not the very best option available. I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. Justin Justin M. Salisbury Undergraduate Student The University Honors Program East Carolina University salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:32:38 -0400 From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] sending a message to all Gmail contacts? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi everyone, I have a question for all Gmail users. Is there a way that I can send a message to all Gmail contacts at the same time? Is there some kind of "send to all" button like there is on my mom's Yahoo account? I'm asking because, as I posted last night, our business (Arianna's Art, Inc.) has created a new Gmail account where people can send us questions, feedback, orders, etc. We'd also like to create a contacts list for our Gmail account, and send out an email to all our contacts when we have a new announcement or a piece of news. So, can I do this in Gmail without Google group? If I can't do this with JAWS in Basic HTML mode, I'll just create a list on Google Groups. But, can I send one message to all contacts? Thanks! -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:34:34 -0400 From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Blind Talk Mailing List Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:38:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." *Employment Mentoring Project* *Seeking Professionals Who Are Blind * ** Remember the challenges you faced in finding your first job?? Would you like to help a college student who is also blind begin their career in a profession similar to yours?? We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. *BENEFITS* ?Opportunity to mentor a college student who is blind and is interested in working in your profession ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community *RESPONSIBILITIES* ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after your mentee graduates ?Help your mentee develop career goals and offer opportunities for job shadowing ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month ?Complete online activities monthly ** *ELIGIBILITY* ?Legal blindness ?Currently employed or retired from a professional career ?Has basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility software/hardware needed to access online materials *INTERESTED?* ?*Complete the eligibility survey at *http://tiny.cc/mentor-professionals** ** ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: 1-800-675-7782 -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:37:04 -0400 From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list , Blind Talk Mailing List Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:37:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." *Employment Mentoring Project* *For Students Who Are Legally Blind* ** Is finding a job your next big step after graduation?? Would you like the opportunity to work with a mentor who is also blind and has experience in your profession of interest?? We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. *BENEFITS* ?Potential to work with a career mentor who is blind ?Access to career development resources ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community *RESPONSIBILITIES* ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after graduation ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month ?Complete online activities monthly ** *ELIGIBILITY* ?Undergraduate or graduate student, under age 35, who: oIs legally blind oPlans to graduate within 2-3 semesters after January 2012 oExpects to seek employment after graduation oHas basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility software/hardware needed to access online materials *INTERESTED?* ?*Complete eligibility survey online at *http://tiny.cc/mentor-students** ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: 1-800-675-7782 -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:50:16 -0400 From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi everyone, This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! Chris On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Justin and everyone, > > For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll > Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw > the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What > can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a "Dying." > If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you need > once and it will last you a life time. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > > > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers with > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. > > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with all > of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, I > highly recommend it. > > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the experience > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that I > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so I > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to use > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, but > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn all > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable > visual field and acuity. > > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have > chosen. > > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, > and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other students > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also saw > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we were > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people talk," > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often led > to self-awareness and confidence building. > > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were responsible > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so they > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at a > distance while we were in the environment. > > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the end > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training center > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but it > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the dining > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or > counter-clockwise direction. > > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but it > is not the very best option available. > > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. > > Justin > > > > Justin M. Salisbury > Undergraduate Student > The University Honors Program > East Carolina University > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu > > ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change > the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:58:53 -0400 From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Beth, Amen to that! I'm going to try on my PC, as the site was a little weird with my BrailleNote, so it may be better with JAWS. I have recently finished reading Thunder Dog (my friend picked a copy up for me at national convention, as I wasn't there... what a bad Federationist I am, *smiles) and it's a wonderfull story. You'll love it! Enjoy the book! Chris P.S. Does anybody know when the deadline for voting for Roselle is? Did Mike mention this in one of his emails, and I just didn't pay attention? On 8/14/11, Beth wrote: > Hi, guys. > I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear > of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for > her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys > have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog > myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I > have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been > thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've > heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in > portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all > vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. > Thanks. > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:49:13 -0400 From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a corrected link Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Gabe, Just FYI, you don't need to send emails to the NABS list if they come across as posted to the NFBnet-members list. When Dave Andrews posts something to the NFBnet-members or NFBnet-master lists, it goes to everybody who's on any NFBnet lists. This reduces Inbox clutter for people who are on multiple lists, as a message is sent to one list, then forwarded to another list on the same server as the first, then another, and another... well, you see what I mean. The other lists you posted it to hadn't seen the message before you sent it, though, because they're on different servers. Just letting you know! Chris On 8/13/11, Gabe Cazares wrote: > FYI > > ...Gabe > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Andrews > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 > Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a corrected > link > To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > > >> >>Hello, >> >>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >> Ground >>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >> about >>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >> >>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers list >>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >> book >>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >> purchased >>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one please >>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All copies >>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >> >>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >> If >>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>lessons around >>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at bookstores. >>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to >>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before Roselle >>passed on June 26, 2011. >> >>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that "Thunder >>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >> The >>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind convention >>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >> >>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated as >> a >>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane >>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the eight >>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >> problem. >>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >> and >>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >>Alma Mater. >> >>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As always, >> if >>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >> looking >>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact >>information. I hope all is well with you. >> >> >>Best, >> >> >>Mike Hingson >> >>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >> "Speaking with Vision" >>Michael Hingson, President >>(415) 827-4084 >>info at michaelhingson.com >>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>www.michaelhingson.com >> >>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at >>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >> >>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Nfbnet-members-list mailing list > Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > > > > -- > Gabriel M. Cazares, > 2nd Vice President > Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS > (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) > www.nfbtx.org/tabs > Phone: 713-581-0619 > "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest > willing to let them." > -Robert Frost > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:25:30 -0400 From: Patrick Molloy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello everyone: I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days? (I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be appreciated. Thanks, Patrick Molloy ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 ************************************** From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Tue Aug 16 14:50:26 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 09:50:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness a dying? References: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02288DC3@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> Message-ID: <000901cc5c23$d6064e50$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Justin and everyone, You can read all about FR. Carroll's belief about blindness being a "Dying" in his book "Blindness: What it is, What it does,and How to Live With It." You should be able to get the book from NLS, Learning Allie, or Bookshare.org. I read it in the late 1970s and became totally depressed after reading three chapters of it. Dr. Jernigan quoted from it in his address: "Blindness Handicap or Characteristic." Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:42 AM Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind I just want to summarize my view on the Carroll Center: If it's the only opportunity you have to get some skills that you don't already have, it can benefit you. If you have the opportunity to attend an NFB training center (or BISM, which Amy Phelps runs with an NFB philosophy), choose it over the Carroll Center 100 out of 100 times. I've never heard the "dying" thing about Father Carroll, but it does not surprise me. I would love to get a good Federationist to take over the management of the Carroll Center. Justin Justin M. Salisbury Undergraduate Student The University Honors Program East Carolina University salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org] Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:00 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to nabs-l at nfbnet.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org You can reach the person managing the list at nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (David Dunphy) 2. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (Justin Young) 3. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Kirt Manwaring) 4. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Heather Field) 5. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) 6. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (chris nusbaum) 7. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) 8. announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: new email address for the business (chris nusbaum) 9. The Carroll Center for the Blind (Salisbury, Justin Mark) 10. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (David Dodge) 11. Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a corrected link (Gabe Cazares) 12. AMerican Hero Dog Award (Beth) 13. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (Peter Donahue) 14. sending a message to all Gmail contacts? (chris nusbaum) 15. Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier (chris nusbaum) 16. Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. (chris nusbaum) 17. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (chris nusbaum) 18. Re: AMerican Hero Dog Award (chris nusbaum) 19. Re: Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a corrected link (chris nusbaum) 20. accessible iPod (Patrick Molloy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:11:26 -0400 From: David Dunphy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Everybody! I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye nabslinkaudio.org. So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and spam, etc. So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch to a new provider. During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back online again. Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get said messages and no one else and 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be validated by the owner Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense once you see it! If you have any questions, please email me at djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Thank you. >From David ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:29:42 -0400 From: Justin Young To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi David, No problem. I did three different programs. In the Summer of 2006 I did the Youth In Transition(YIT) program which is heavily focused upon daily living skills. There were classes from 8:45-3pm Mon-Fri. Then there was activities that you did clubs and stuff like that. Some were fun and some not really. You have the opportunity to do fencing, and other evening activities. Some of the evening ones were more arts/crafts style if I recall. Its hard to say with the extracurriculars cuz they changed ever year. The ones whichwere the same were Fencing, Sailing, shopping and others which I forget. The next Summer I did the Real World of Work Experience Program(RWWE) which was 5 weeks where the first week is doing the classes to make sure you can do all of it because like laundry you had to wait until after classes were over or on weekends as well. Once you begin working its great I must say. When I did it they selected a place for you and you were on the job site for Mon, Wed, Fri and Tues & Thu you went on Field Trips. Oh yes I forgot about those we went on those as well in YIT. They were to fun places, movies, golfing & stuff like that. For the RWWE program though on Thursdays we went on Work related field trips. Like once we went to the State House in Boston and tried to go to Cape Cod, but the van I was in broke down so couldn't do that one. There were still the activities in the afternoon and evening. I didn't really do the ones in the afternoon because I got back from work to late always. I worked at the Newton Welseley Hospital in the Receiving Department which was fun after I got a hand of what I was doing, the layout of the place and confidence that I could do it all. I delivered to depts mainly. For my Final Summer I and 4 others were involved in the pilot program of Transition To College(TTC) in the Summer of 2008. This program was 4 weeks where we did 2 at the Carroll Center like the YIT program and 2 at Boston College. The 2 weeks of the classes is to ensure we could do it while at BC. There was also a 2 week period before the program started for all in the program to do the Computing to College which is a computer program based in the Technology Center at the Carroll Center. I couldn't do this portion because I was finishing High School. While at BC we attended various seminars during the day and after I think 3pm it was we were free to do whatever we liked. We stayed in a dorm which was a suite style and had a supervisor in one of the 5 rooms with us. We were given each day $15 for food and had to give the supervisor all receipts of what we spent. We definitely got our exercise because our dorm was about a mile from the Education Building where our seminars took place. We went on a field trip or two I don't remember. I remember we went to either Boston University or one of the UMass schools. I and a few of the others in the program took the train to go places once or twice and a coffee shop was right on the edge of the college and not far from our dorm. So, I went there sometimes. It was a great three years full of making friends. The cons you asked? Hmm, well it really depends upon how you look at which program you are in. I would say that sometimes you were forced to do things you didn't really want to do which is why I really liked the BC living. I hope this helps you. Justin On 8/13/11, David Dodge wrote: > Justin, > Thanks for your e-mail. Clearly, you have a great deal of experience with > the center. Can you tell me about the program you were in, what you > learned, > and how it helped you? Were there any cons to the center? Thanks so much. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Justin Young wrote: > >> Hi David, >> >> I have experience with this center since I spent 3 consecutive summers >> at the Corroll Center. I would be happy to answer any questions you >> may have. >> >> Justin Young >> >> On 8/12/11, David Dodge wrote: >> > Hello Everyone, >> > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind >> in >> > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >> center? >> > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >> > >> > David >> > ---------------------------------- >> > David Dodge >> > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> > State University of New York Student Assembly >> > English Major >> > University at Buffalo >> > 306 Clemens Hall >> > Buffalo, NY 14260 >> > daviddod at buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:52:23 -0600 From: Kirt Manwaring To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Peter, I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their own, I guess. Warmly, Kirt On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Joseph and everyone, > > Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. It > was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access for > blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping > to > develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio > instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or > nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: > http://www.blio.com > > We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a great > product. Now to add more books to our collection. > > Peter Donahue > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "T. Joseph Carter" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > > The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be > accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works > you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* > > Joseph - kf7qzc > > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>Listers, >>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >> >>Thanks, >>Jan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>Behalf >> >>Of Anjelina >> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >> >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >> >>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>from >> >>paying the annual fee. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: Marsha Drenth >> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >> >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >> >>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >> >>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use >> >>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >> >>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >> >> >> >>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use >> >>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >> >>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. >> >> >> >>Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>signature >> >>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >> >> >> >>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> >> >>http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>nabs-l: >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >> >>com >> >> >> >> >> >>Anjelina >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>nabs-l: >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >> >>l.com >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:27:44 -0500 From: "Heather Field" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Hi Kurt, I downloaded Kindle for PC and then bought an ebook with speech enabled. However, I believe I still need an accessibility plugin or some such add-on to make it fully accessible. As you're having great success with using Kindle, can you please advise me as to what I need to do so I can read my ebook. Thanks so much. Heather -----Original Message----- From: Kirt Manwaring Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers Peter, I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their own, I guess. Warmly, Kirt On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Joseph and everyone, > > Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. It > was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access for > blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping > to > develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio > instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or > nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: > http://www.blio.com > > We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a great > product. Now to add more books to our collection. > > Peter Donahue > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "T. Joseph Carter" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > > The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be > accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works > you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* > > Joseph - kf7qzc > > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>Listers, >>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >> >>Thanks, >>Jan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>Behalf >> >>Of Anjelina >> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >> >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >> >>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>from >> >>paying the annual fee. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: Marsha Drenth >> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >> >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >> >>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >> >>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use >> >>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >> >>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >> >> >> >>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use >> >>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >> >>can't understand the speech. 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I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye nabslinkaudio.org. So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and spam, etc. So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch to a new provider. During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back online again. Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get said messages and no one else and 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be validated by the owner Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense once you see it! If you have any questions, please email me at djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Thank you. >From David _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:09:38 -0400 From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi David, Technical problems, technical problems! First, nabslinkaudio.org's Web hosting service motherboard fried, and I just got an email saying that AAR will be temporarily offline! Wow! I completely understand. Thanks for the update, and I look forward to listening to the meeting! Chris On 8/13/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Dunphy > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read > > Hi Everybody! > I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the > convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it > is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting > provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some > files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but > our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I > had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye > nabslinkaudio.org. > So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting > home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and > spam, etc. > So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the > nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch > to a new provider. > During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you > know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. > You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back > online again. > Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet > service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect > the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement > text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already > mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: > 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their > numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get > said messages and no one else > and > 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a > concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be > validated by the owner > Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense > once you see it! > If you have any questions, please email me at > djdrocks4ever at gmail.com > Thank you. > >From David > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:00:54 -0400 From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? Message-ID: <94D3A84AC9CB48E483A5C87D966FF189 at OwnerPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original David, What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation adult program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a short summer experience to comment on. I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult program because I am thinking of going back for training. Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it?s a shorter program since they have a new program called Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I known about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The teens in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I was friends with the RWWE students though. In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of field trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and RWWE had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each other since there was some overlap in experience. In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living skills. Its like the youth version of the rehab program. Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students had club activities and in the evening there were more activities and some of them were off campus. In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra curriculars and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already knew. I wonder if the adult program is more individualized with a good evaluation of skills before you learn skills in class. Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, and information technology. In communication some students learned braille but I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase a tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. In personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained things. There was another student in my class. We made cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had a lesson on putting on lipstick too. Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the bus. I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to Newton center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I had practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was ten years ago! I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay objects and painted them. I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or goal ball. On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to swim, but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually fun. I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and museums. I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision impaired. I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? Hello Everyone, A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind in Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific center? I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:28:47 -0400 From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list , Blind Talk Mailing List , "g List\" , \"nfbmd\" , \"nabs\" , \"maryland-l\" , \"Ross Hammond\" , \"alena roberts\"" Cc: Ariana Lipka , ariannas.art at gmail.com Subject: [nabs-l] announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: new email address for the business Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Hi everyone, I'd like to let everyone know of a new and exciting change in our painting business for the blind and sighted, Arianna's Art, Inc. We've just created an email account where you can send us questions, comments, suggestions, or any other information regarding our business. If you would like to advertise our product by displaying it at your next NFB, ACB, or any other meeting or event, or would like to advertise us in any other way, you can also contact us via this email. Our email address is ariannas.art at gmail.com. We're also trying to create an email list for people who would like to recieve announcements from us. In other words, if you specify that you would like to be added to our email list, we'll add your email address to our contacts list, and whenever we have a new announcement, we'll email it to you. If you'd like to recieve announcements from us, please leave us your name and email address at the above email. The email address once again is ariannas.art at gmail.com. Arianna has two n's and there's no apostrophe before the s. Hope to hear from you soon! Chris ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:57:40 +0000 From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind Message-ID: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94 at SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers with Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with all of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, I highly recommend it. I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the experience both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that I now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so I was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to use my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, but blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn all of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable visual field and acuity. I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have chosen. In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other students with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also saw a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we were adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people talk," was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often led to self-awareness and confidence building. In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were responsible for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so they weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at a distance while we were in the environment. At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the end of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training center would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but it does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the dining hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or counter-clockwise direction. The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but it is not the very best option available. I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. Justin Justin M. Salisbury Undergraduate Student The University Honors Program East Carolina University salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:03:06 -0400 From: David Dodge To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Thanks so much. He is doing the Youth in Transition program and is interested in doing some other programs as well. Good to know you had very positive experiences. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM, wrote: > David, > What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation adult > program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational > transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a > short summer experience to comment on. > I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult > program > because I am thinking of going back for training. > > Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. > I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it?s > a > shorter program since they have a new program called > Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the > students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I > known > about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE > program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The teens > in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. > That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I > was friends with the RWWE students though. > In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of > field > trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and RWWE > had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. > We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each other > since there was some overlap in experience. > > In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living > skills. > Its like the youth version of the rehab program. > Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. > Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students > had club activities and in the evening > there were more activities and some of them were off campus. > In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class > period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra > curriculars and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already > knew. I wonder if the adult program is more individualized with a good > evaluation of skills before you learn skills in class. > > Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, and > information technology. In communication some students learned braille > but > I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase > a > tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. > In > personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on > cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and > spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found > Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained things. > There was another student in my class. We made > cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had > a > lesson on putting on lipstick too. > Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and > bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. > > IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and > went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the > bus. > I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to > Newton > center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I had > practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. > > The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was > ten years ago! > I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay > objects and painted them. > I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or > goal > ball. > On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to swim, > but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping > night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. > > We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually fun. > I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where > they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and > outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to > know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and > museums. > > I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student > who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision > impaired. > > I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. > -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? > > Hello Everyone, > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind in > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific > center? > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. > > David > ------------------------------**---- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:59:07 -0500 From: Gabe Cazares To: members , tabs_students , nabs-l Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a corrected link Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 FYI ...Gabe ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Andrews Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a corrected link To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > >Hello, > >Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >Ground >Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >about >its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. > >Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers list >for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >book >agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >purchased >your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one please >visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All copies >come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. > >Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >If >you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >lessons around >9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at bookstores. >Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to >me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before Roselle >passed on June 26, 2011. > >The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that "Thunder >Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >The >book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind convention >in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. > >I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated as >a >candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane >Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the eight >finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >problem. >I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >and >vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >Alma Mater. > >Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As always, >if >you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >looking >for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact >information. I hope all is well with you. > > >Best, > > >Mike Hingson > >The Michael Hingson Group, INC. > "Speaking with Vision" >Michael Hingson, President >(415) 827-4084 >info at michaelhingson.com >To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >www.michaelhingson.com > >Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at >www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 > >To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com _______________________________________________ Nfbnet-members-list mailing list Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org -- Gabriel M. Cazares, 2nd Vice President Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) www.nfbtx.org/tabs Phone: 713-581-0619 "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest willing to let them." -Robert Frost ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:57:26 -0600 From: Beth To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award Message-ID: <4e47aa32.87cee70a.3a4e.ffffa021 at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Hi, guys. I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. Thanks. Beth ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:08:02 -0500 From: "Peter Donahue" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind Message-ID: <003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43 at yourfsyly0jtwn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Hello Justin and everyone, For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a "Dying." If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you need once and it will last you a life time. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" To: Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers with Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with all of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, I highly recommend it. I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the experience both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that I now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so I was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to use my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, but blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn all of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable visual field and acuity. I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have chosen. In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other students with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also saw a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we were adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people talk," was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often led to self-awareness and confidence building. In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were responsible for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so they weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at a distance while we were in the environment. At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the end of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training center would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but it does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the dining hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or counter-clockwise direction. The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but it is not the very best option available. I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. Justin Justin M. Salisbury Undergraduate Student The University Honors Program East Carolina University salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:32:38 -0400 From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] sending a message to all Gmail contacts? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi everyone, I have a question for all Gmail users. Is there a way that I can send a message to all Gmail contacts at the same time? Is there some kind of "send to all" button like there is on my mom's Yahoo account? I'm asking because, as I posted last night, our business (Arianna's Art, Inc.) has created a new Gmail account where people can send us questions, feedback, orders, etc. We'd also like to create a contacts list for our Gmail account, and send out an email to all our contacts when we have a new announcement or a piece of news. So, can I do this in Gmail without Google group? If I can't do this with JAWS in Basic HTML mode, I'll just create a list on Google Groups. But, can I send one message to all contacts? Thanks! -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:34:34 -0400 From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Blind Talk Mailing List Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:38:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." *Employment Mentoring Project* *Seeking Professionals Who Are Blind * ** Remember the challenges you faced in finding your first job?? Would you like to help a college student who is also blind begin their career in a profession similar to yours?? We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. *BENEFITS* ?Opportunity to mentor a college student who is blind and is interested in working in your profession ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community *RESPONSIBILITIES* ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after your mentee graduates ?Help your mentee develop career goals and offer opportunities for job shadowing ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month ?Complete online activities monthly ** *ELIGIBILITY* ?Legal blindness ?Currently employed or retired from a professional career ?Has basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility software/hardware needed to access online materials *INTERESTED?* ?*Complete the eligibility survey at *http://tiny.cc/mentor-professionals** ** ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: 1-800-675-7782 -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:37:04 -0400 From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list , Blind Talk Mailing List Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:37:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." *Employment Mentoring Project* *For Students Who Are Legally Blind* ** Is finding a job your next big step after graduation?? Would you like the opportunity to work with a mentor who is also blind and has experience in your profession of interest?? We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. *BENEFITS* ?Potential to work with a career mentor who is blind ?Access to career development resources ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community *RESPONSIBILITIES* ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after graduation ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month ?Complete online activities monthly ** *ELIGIBILITY* ?Undergraduate or graduate student, under age 35, who: oIs legally blind oPlans to graduate within 2-3 semesters after January 2012 oExpects to seek employment after graduation oHas basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility software/hardware needed to access online materials *INTERESTED?* ?*Complete eligibility survey online at *http://tiny.cc/mentor-students** ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: 1-800-675-7782 -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:50:16 -0400 From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi everyone, This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! Chris On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Justin and everyone, > > For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll > Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw > the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What > can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a "Dying." > If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you need > once and it will last you a life time. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > > > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers > with > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. > > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with > all > of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, > I > highly recommend it. > > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the > experience > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that > I > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so > I > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to > use > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, > but > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn > all > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable > visual field and acuity. > > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have > chosen. > > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, > and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other > students > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also > saw > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we > were > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people > talk," > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often > led > to self-awareness and confidence building. > > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were > responsible > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so > they > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at > a > distance while we were in the environment. > > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the > end > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training > center > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but > it > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the > dining > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or > counter-clockwise direction. > > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but > it > is not the very best option available. > > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. > > Justin > > > > Justin M. Salisbury > Undergraduate Student > The University Honors Program > East Carolina University > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu > > ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can > change > the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:58:53 -0400 From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Beth, Amen to that! I'm going to try on my PC, as the site was a little weird with my BrailleNote, so it may be better with JAWS. I have recently finished reading Thunder Dog (my friend picked a copy up for me at national convention, as I wasn't there... what a bad Federationist I am, *smiles) and it's a wonderfull story. You'll love it! Enjoy the book! Chris P.S. Does anybody know when the deadline for voting for Roselle is? Did Mike mention this in one of his emails, and I just didn't pay attention? On 8/14/11, Beth wrote: > Hi, guys. > I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear > of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for > her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys > have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog > myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I > have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been > thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've > heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in > portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all > vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. > Thanks. > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:49:13 -0400 From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a corrected link Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Gabe, Just FYI, you don't need to send emails to the NABS list if they come across as posted to the NFBnet-members list. When Dave Andrews posts something to the NFBnet-members or NFBnet-master lists, it goes to everybody who's on any NFBnet lists. This reduces Inbox clutter for people who are on multiple lists, as a message is sent to one list, then forwarded to another list on the same server as the first, then another, and another... well, you see what I mean. The other lists you posted it to hadn't seen the message before you sent it, though, because they're on different servers. Just letting you know! Chris On 8/13/11, Gabe Cazares wrote: > FYI > > ...Gabe > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Andrews > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 > Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a > corrected > link > To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > > >> >>Hello, >> >>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >> Ground >>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >> about >>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >> >>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers >>list >>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >> book >>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >> purchased >>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one please >>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All copies >>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >> >>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >> If >>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>lessons around >>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at bookstores. >>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to >>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before >>Roselle >>passed on June 26, 2011. >> >>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that "Thunder >>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >> The >>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind convention >>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >> >>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated as >> a >>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane >>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the >>eight >>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >> problem. >>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >> and >>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >>Alma Mater. >> >>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As always, >> if >>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >> looking >>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact >>information. I hope all is well with you. >> >> >>Best, >> >> >>Mike Hingson >> >>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >> "Speaking with Vision" >>Michael Hingson, President >>(415) 827-4084 >>info at michaelhingson.com >>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>www.michaelhingson.com >> >>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at >>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >> >>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Nfbnet-members-list mailing list > Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > > > > -- > Gabriel M. Cazares, > 2nd Vice President > Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS > (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) > www.nfbtx.org/tabs > Phone: 713-581-0619 > "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest > willing to let them." > -Robert Frost > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:25:30 -0400 From: Patrick Molloy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello everyone: I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days? (I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be appreciated. Thanks, Patrick Molloy ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 ************************************** _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From daviddod at buffalo.edu Tue Aug 16 15:35:25 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:35:25 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] National Orientation and Mobility Certified Instructors Research Message-ID: Hello Everyone, If you are classified as BIV level of blindness and are over the age of 18 I would encourage you to fill out the following survey. This research is being done to accumulate more information about National Orientation and Mobility Certified Instructors and their work in the blind community. Results from this survey may be published in the Journal of Blindness Innovation and Research as well as other journals. Dr. Edward Bell is in charge of the survey. Thank you. www.pdrib.com/ares David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Aug 16 19:04:44 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:04:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. In-Reply-To: <1D1A5FBAF0A542D580C30E099259387C@Cptr233> References: <1D1A5FBAF0A542D580C30E099259387C@Cptr233> Message-ID: I'm not able to meet the instructor, in person. That's the problem. I'll try to E-mail him, but if he doesn't know me, it would be a waist of time. Blessings, Joshua On 8/16/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > I have never heard of "compressed video" class. I am familiar with online > classes, and hybred class, but not this one. I would imagine that you would > want to approach it as it were a online class. For example I will be taking > my second online class this semester, I have already met my professer in > person, and talked about the things I need that are different from those who > are sighted. I have also talked to my professor about the difficulties I > have with the online part of the class, but more its accessibility. > > 2cents worth, > Marsha > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 5:39 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Well, another semester of college is upon me. > I start back, this wednesday, at 2 PM, with Intermediate Algebra. > On thursday, I have American federal Government, and World literature 1. > I have American Federal Government, every tuesday, and thursday. > On tuesday night, I have Western Civilization 1, which is why I'm > telling you this. > This class would have been no problem, if the normal instructor was > teaching it, but it's now compressed video, (like my Sociology class, > from last semester.) > I hate compressed video, with a passion! > I've explained it in detail, last year. > Do any of you have a compressed video class, this year? > Last semester, it was a teacher that I've met, but this year, I don't > know this instructor, and he doesn't know me. > This will be a challenge for me, as a blind person, but I know i can > overcome it. > Any advice for dealing with a stranger, via compressed video? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmai > l.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6380 (20110815) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6380 (20110815) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 19:30:18 2011 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:30:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. In-Reply-To: References: <1D1A5FBAF0A542D580C30E099259387C@Cptr233> Message-ID: Hi, Joshua, I have never heard of compressed video, but the fact that you aren't able to meet with the instructor in person may not be as big of a deal as you might think. Given that you have taken another course using this technology before, I assume that the video program is relatively accessible or that you have figured out a work-around to using the program? If trouble with hearing the instructor when he moves away from the microphone is the only problem you are expecting to encounter, just let him know this when you email him to introduce yourself and explain other accommodations (for test-taking, etc.) that you might need for the course. I imagine that he will be receptive-- This is not really a blindness-specific issue; after all, if he moves around so much that his voice is not picked up by the microphone, then your sighted classmates might have trouble hearing him as well. I often communicate with my professors via email about my need for accessible files and such prior to meeting them, and it typically works out well. Hope this helps and good luck! Katie On 8/16/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > I'm not able to meet the instructor, in person. > That's the problem. > I'll try to E-mail him, but if he doesn't know me, it would be a waist of > time. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/16/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> I have never heard of "compressed video" class. I am familiar with online >> classes, and hybred class, but not this one. I would imagine that you >> would >> want to approach it as it were a online class. For example I will be >> taking >> my second online class this semester, I have already met my professer in >> person, and talked about the things I need that are different from those >> who >> are sighted. I have also talked to my professor about the difficulties I >> have with the online part of the class, but more its accessibility. >> >> 2cents worth, >> Marsha >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 5:39 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. >> >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> Well, another semester of college is upon me. >> I start back, this wednesday, at 2 PM, with Intermediate Algebra. >> On thursday, I have American federal Government, and World literature 1. >> I have American Federal Government, every tuesday, and thursday. >> On tuesday night, I have Western Civilization 1, which is why I'm >> telling you this. >> This class would have been no problem, if the normal instructor was >> teaching it, but it's now compressed video, (like my Sociology class, >> from last semester.) >> I hate compressed video, with a passion! >> I've explained it in detail, last year. >> Do any of you have a compressed video class, this year? >> Last semester, it was a teacher that I've met, but this year, I don't >> know this instructor, and he doesn't know me. >> This will be a challenge for me, as a blind person, but I know i can >> overcome it. >> Any advice for dealing with a stranger, via compressed video? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmai >> l.com >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 6380 (20110815) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 6380 (20110815) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Aug 16 19:59:21 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:59:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. In-Reply-To: References: <1D1A5FBAF0A542D580C30E099259387C@Cptr233> Message-ID: Thanks alot, Katie. Blessings, Joshua On 8/16/11, Katie Wang wrote: > Hi, Joshua, > I have never heard of compressed video, but the fact that you aren't > able to meet with the instructor in person may not be as big of a deal > as you might think. Given that you have taken another course using > this technology before, I assume that the video program is relatively > accessible or that you have figured out a work-around to using the > program? If trouble with hearing the instructor when he moves away > from the microphone is the only problem you are expecting to > encounter, just let him know this when you email him to introduce > yourself and explain other accommodations (for test-taking, etc.) that > you might need for the course. I imagine that he will be receptive-- > This is not really a blindness-specific issue; after all, if he moves > around so much that his voice is not picked up by the microphone, then > your sighted classmates might have trouble hearing him as well. I > often communicate with my professors via email about my need for > accessible files and such prior to meeting them, and it typically > works out well. Hope this helps and good luck! > Katie > > On 8/16/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I'm not able to meet the instructor, in person. >> That's the problem. >> I'll try to E-mail him, but if he doesn't know me, it would be a waist of >> time. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 8/16/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >>> I have never heard of "compressed video" class. I am familiar with online >>> classes, and hybred class, but not this one. I would imagine that you >>> would >>> want to approach it as it were a online class. For example I will be >>> taking >>> my second online class this semester, I have already met my professer in >>> person, and talked about the things I need that are different from those >>> who >>> are sighted. I have also talked to my professor about the difficulties I >>> have with the online part of the class, but more its accessibility. >>> >>> 2cents worth, >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 5:39 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. >>> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> Well, another semester of college is upon me. >>> I start back, this wednesday, at 2 PM, with Intermediate Algebra. >>> On thursday, I have American federal Government, and World literature 1. >>> I have American Federal Government, every tuesday, and thursday. >>> On tuesday night, I have Western Civilization 1, which is why I'm >>> telling you this. >>> This class would have been no problem, if the normal instructor was >>> teaching it, but it's now compressed video, (like my Sociology class, >>> from last semester.) >>> I hate compressed video, with a passion! >>> I've explained it in detail, last year. >>> Do any of you have a compressed video class, this year? >>> Last semester, it was a teacher that I've met, but this year, I don't >>> know this instructor, and he doesn't know me. >>> This will be a challenge for me, as a blind person, but I know i can >>> overcome it. >>> Any advice for dealing with a stranger, via compressed video? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmai >>> l.com >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 6380 (20110815) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 6380 (20110815) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 21:20:39 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:20:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness a dying? In-Reply-To: <000901cc5c23$d6064e50$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02288DC3@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> <000901cc5c23$d6064e50$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Hi Justin, Don't hold your breath for having a Federationist take over the Carroll Center! Well, it may happen, but I don't see it happening soon, as they've worked very closely with the AFB (I think) and a lot of them still believe in what FR Carroll did. Chris On 8/16/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Justin and everyone, > > You can read all about FR. Carroll's belief about blindness being a > "Dying" in his book "Blindness: What it is, What it does,and How to Live > With It." You should be able to get the book from NLS, Learning Allie, or > Bookshare.org. I read it in the late 1970s and became totally depressed > after reading three chapters of it. Dr. Jernigan quoted from it in his > address: "Blindness Handicap or Characteristic." > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:42 AM > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > > > I just want to summarize my view on the Carroll Center: > > If it's the only opportunity you have to get some skills that you don't > already have, it can benefit you. If you have the opportunity to attend an > NFB training center (or BISM, which Amy Phelps runs with an NFB philosophy), > choose it over the Carroll Center 100 out of 100 times. > > I've never heard the "dying" thing about Father Carroll, but it does not > surprise me. I would love to get a good Federationist to take over the > management of the Carroll Center. > > Justin > > Justin M. Salisbury > Undergraduate Student > The University Honors Program > East Carolina University > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu > > “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change > the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD > > > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org] > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:00 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 > > Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (David Dunphy) > 2. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (Justin Young) > 3. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Kirt Manwaring) > 4. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Heather Field) > 5. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read > (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > 6. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (chris nusbaum) > 7. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > 8. announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: new email > address for the business (chris nusbaum) > 9. The Carroll Center for the Blind (Salisbury, Justin Mark) > 10. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (David Dodge) > 11. Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a > corrected link (Gabe Cazares) > 12. AMerican Hero Dog Award (Beth) > 13. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (Peter Donahue) > 14. sending a message to all Gmail contacts? (chris nusbaum) > 15. Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier > (chris nusbaum) > 16. Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. > (chris nusbaum) > 17. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (chris nusbaum) > 18. Re: AMerican Hero Dog Award (chris nusbaum) > 19. Re: Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move > and a corrected link (chris nusbaum) > 20. accessible iPod (Patrick Molloy) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:11:26 -0400 > From: David Dunphy > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Everybody! > I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the > convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it > is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting > provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some > files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but > our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I > had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye > nabslinkaudio.org. > So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting > home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and > spam, etc. > So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the > nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch > to a new provider. > During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you > know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. > You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back > online again. > Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet > service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect > the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement > text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already > mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: > 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their > numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get > said messages and no one else > and > 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a > concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be > validated by the owner > Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense > once you see it! > If you have any questions, please email me at > djdrocks4ever at gmail.com > Thank you. > >From David > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:29:42 -0400 > From: Justin Young > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi David, > > No problem. I did three different programs. In the Summer of 2006 I > did the Youth In Transition(YIT) program which is heavily focused upon > daily living skills. There were classes from 8:45-3pm Mon-Fri. Then > there was activities that you did clubs and stuff like that. Some > were fun and some not really. You have the opportunity to do fencing, > and other evening activities. Some of the evening ones were more > arts/crafts style if I recall. Its hard to say with the > extracurriculars cuz they changed ever year. The ones whichwere the > same were Fencing, Sailing, shopping and others which I forget. The > next Summer I did the Real World of Work Experience Program(RWWE) > which was 5 weeks where the first week is doing the classes to make > sure you can do all of it because like laundry you had to wait until > after classes were over or on weekends as well. Once you begin > working its great I must say. When I did it they selected a place for > you and you were on the job site for Mon, Wed, Fri and Tues & Thu you > went on Field Trips. Oh yes I forgot about those we went on those as > well in YIT. They were to fun places, movies, golfing & stuff like > that. For the RWWE program though on Thursdays we went on Work > related field trips. Like once we went to the State House in Boston > and tried to go to Cape Cod, but the van I was in broke down so > couldn't do that one. There were still the activities in the > afternoon and evening. I didn't really do the ones in the afternoon > because I got back from work to late always. I worked at the Newton > Welseley Hospital in the Receiving Department which was fun after I > got a hand of what I was doing, the layout of the place and confidence > that I could do it all. I delivered to depts mainly. For my Final > Summer I and 4 others were involved in the pilot program of Transition > To College(TTC) in the Summer of 2008. This program was 4 weeks where > we did 2 at the Carroll Center like the YIT program and 2 at Boston > College. The 2 weeks of the classes is to ensure we could do it while > at BC. There was also a 2 week period before the program started for > all in the program to do the Computing to College which is a computer > program based in the Technology Center at the Carroll Center. I > couldn't do this portion because I was finishing High School. While > at BC we attended various seminars during the day and after I think > 3pm it was we were free to do whatever we liked. We stayed in a dorm > which was a suite style and had a supervisor in one of the 5 rooms > with us. We were given each day $15 for food and had to give the > supervisor all receipts of what we spent. We definitely got our > exercise because our dorm was about a mile from the Education Building > where our seminars took place. We went on a field trip or two I don't > remember. I remember we went to either Boston University or one of > the UMass schools. I and a few of the others in the program took the > train to go places once or twice and a coffee shop was right on the > edge of the college and not far from our dorm. So, I went there > sometimes. > > It was a great three years full of making friends. The cons you > asked? Hmm, well it really depends upon how you look at which program > you are in. I would say that sometimes you were forced to do things > you didn't really want to do which is why I really liked the BC > living. I hope this helps you. > > Justin > > On 8/13/11, David Dodge wrote: >> Justin, >> Thanks for your e-mail. Clearly, you have a great deal of experience with >> the center. Can you tell me about the program you were in, what you >> learned, >> and how it helped you? Were there any cons to the center? Thanks so much. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> State University of New York Student Assembly >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Justin Young wrote: >> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> I have experience with this center since I spent 3 consecutive summers >>> at the Corroll Center. I would be happy to answer any questions you >>> may have. >>> >>> Justin Young >>> >>> On 8/12/11, David Dodge wrote: >>> > Hello Everyone, >>> > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind >>> in >>> > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>> center? >>> > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >>> > >>> > David >>> > ---------------------------------- >>> > David Dodge >>> > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> > State University of New York Student Assembly >>> > English Major >>> > University at Buffalo >>> > 306 Clemens Hall >>> > Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> > daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:52:23 -0600 > From: Kirt Manwaring > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Peter, > I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time > using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their > own, I guess. > Warmly, > Kirt > > On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Hello Joseph and everyone, >> >> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. It >> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access for >> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping >> to >> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio >> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or >> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: >> http://www.blio.com >> >> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a great >> product. Now to add more books to our collection. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "T. Joseph Carter" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be >> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works >> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* >> >> Joseph - kf7qzc >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>>Listers, >>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Jan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> >>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>> >>> >>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>> >>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>Behalf >>> >>>Of Anjelina >>> >>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >>> >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>> >>> >>> >>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>>from >>> >>>paying the annual fee. >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>> >>>From: Marsha Drenth >>> >>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >>> >>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>> >>> >>> >>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >>> >>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use >>> >>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >>> >>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >>> >>> >>> >>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use >>> >>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >>> >>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. >>> >>> >>> >>>Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>signature >>> >>>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >>> >>> >>> >>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> >>> >>>http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>> >>>nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >>>nabs-l: >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >>> >>>com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Anjelina >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>> >>>nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >>>nabs-l: >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>> >>>l.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>> >>>nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:27:44 -0500 > From: "Heather Field" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Kurt, > I downloaded Kindle for PC and then bought an ebook with speech enabled. > However, I believe I still need an accessibility plugin or some such add-on > to make it fully accessible. As you're having great success with using > Kindle, can you please advise me as to what I need to do so I can read my > ebook. > > Thanks so much. > Heather > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirt Manwaring > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers > > Peter, > I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time > using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their > own, I guess. > Warmly, > Kirt > > On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Hello Joseph and everyone, >> >> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. It >> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access for >> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping >> to >> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio >> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or >> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: >> http://www.blio.com >> >> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a great >> product. Now to add more books to our collection. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "T. Joseph Carter" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be >> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works >> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* >> >> Joseph - kf7qzc >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>>Listers, >>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Jan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> >>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>> >>> >>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>> >>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>Behalf >>> >>>Of Anjelina >>> >>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >>> >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>> >>> >>> >>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>>from >>> >>>paying the annual fee. >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>> >>>From: Marsha Drenth >>> >>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >>> >>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>> >>> >>> >>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >>> >>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use >>> >>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >>> >>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >>> >>> >>> >>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use >>> >>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >>> >>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. >>> >>> >>> >>>Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>signature >>> >>>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >>> >>> >>> >>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> >>> >>>http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>> >>>nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >>>nabs-l: >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >>> >>>com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Anjelina >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>> >>>nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >>>nabs-l: >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>> >>>l.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>> >>>nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/missheather%40comcast.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:49:43 -0400 > From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read > Message-ID: <1DD7E36205204D098FAF6758FBF60CAC at OwnerPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Dunphy > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read > > Hi Everybody! > I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the > convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it > is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting > provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some > files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but > our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I > had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye > nabslinkaudio.org. > So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting > home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and > spam, etc. > So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the > nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch > to a new provider. > During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you > know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. > You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back > online again. > Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet > service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect > the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement > text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already > mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: > 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their > numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get > said messages and no one else > and > 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a > concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be > validated by the owner > Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense > once you see it! > If you have any questions, please email me at > djdrocks4ever at gmail.com > Thank you. > >From David > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:09:38 -0400 > From: chris nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi David, > > Technical problems, technical problems! First, nabslinkaudio.org's Web > hosting service motherboard fried, and I just got an email saying that > AAR will be temporarily offline! Wow! I completely understand. Thanks > for the update, and I look forward to listening to the meeting! > > Chris > > On 8/13/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Dunphy >> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >> >> Hi Everybody! >> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >> nabslinkaudio.org. >> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >> spam, etc. >> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >> to a new provider. >> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >> online again. >> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >> said messages and no one else >> and >> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >> validated by the owner >> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >> once you see it! >> If you have any questions, please email me at >> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >> Thank you. >> >From David >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:00:54 -0400 > From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? > Message-ID: <94D3A84AC9CB48E483A5C87D966FF189 at OwnerPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > David, > What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation adult > program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational > transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a > short summer experience to comment on. > I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult program > because I am thinking of going back for training. > > Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. > I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it?s a > shorter program since they have a new program called > Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the > students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I known > about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE > program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The teens > in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. > That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I was > friends with the RWWE students though. > In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of field > trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and RWWE > had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. > We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each other > since there was some overlap in experience. > > In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living skills. > Its like the youth version of the rehab program. > Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. > Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students had > club activities and in the evening > there were more activities and some of them were off campus. > In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class > period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra curriculars > and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already knew. I wonder > if the adult program is more individualized with a good evaluation of > skills before you learn skills in class. > > Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, and > information technology. In communication some students learned braille but > I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase a > tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. In > personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on > cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and > spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found > Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained things. > There was another student in my class. We made > cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had a > lesson on putting on lipstick too. > Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and > bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. > > IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and > went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the bus. > I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to Newton > center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I had > practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. > > The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was ten > years ago! > I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay > objects and painted them. > I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or goal > ball. > On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to swim, > but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping > night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. > > We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually fun. > I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where > they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and > outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to > know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and museums. > > I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student > who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision > impaired. > > I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. > -----Original Message----- > From: David Dodge > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? > > Hello Everyone, > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind in > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific center? > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:28:47 -0400 > From: chris nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > , Blind Talk Mailing List > , > "g List\" , \"nfbmd\" , > \"nabs\" , \"maryland-l\" , > \"Ross > Hammond\" , \"alena roberts\"" > > Cc: Ariana Lipka , ariannas.art at gmail.com > Subject: [nabs-l] announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: > new email address for the business > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Hi everyone, > > I'd like to let everyone know of a new and exciting change in our > painting business for the blind and sighted, Arianna's Art, Inc. We've > just created an email account where you can send us questions, > comments, suggestions, or any other information regarding our > business. If you would like to advertise our product by displaying it > at your next NFB, ACB, or any other meeting or event, or would like to > advertise us in any other way, you can also contact us via this email. > Our email address is ariannas.art at gmail.com. We're also trying to > create an email list for people who would like to recieve > announcements from us. In other words, if you specify that you would > like to be added to our email list, we'll add your email address to > our contacts list, and whenever we have a new announcement, we'll > email it to you. If you'd like to recieve announcements from us, > please leave us your name and email address at the above email. The > email address once again is ariannas.art at gmail.com. Arianna has two > n's and there's no apostrophe before the s. Hope to hear from you > soon! > > Chris > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:57:40 +0000 > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" > To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > Message-ID: > > <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94 at SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers with > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. > > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with all > of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, I > highly recommend it. > > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the experience > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that I > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so I > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to use > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, but > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn all > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable > visual field and acuity. > > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have > chosen. > > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, > and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other students > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also saw > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we were > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people talk," > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often led > to self-awareness and confidence building. > > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were responsible > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so they > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at a > distance while we were in the environment. > > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the end > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training center > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but it > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the dining > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or > counter-clockwise direction. > > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but it > is not the very best option available. > > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. > > Justin > > > > Justin M. Salisbury > Undergraduate Student > The University Honors Program > East Carolina University > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu > > ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change > the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:03:06 -0400 > From: David Dodge > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Thanks so much. He is doing the Youth in Transition program and is > interested in doing some other programs as well. Good to know you had very > positive experiences. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM, wrote: > >> David, >> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation adult >> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational >> transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a >> short summer experience to comment on. >> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult >> program >> because I am thinking of going back for training. >> >> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. >> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it?s >> a >> shorter program since they have a new program called >> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the >> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I >> known >> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE >> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The teens >> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. >> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I >> was friends with the RWWE students though. >> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of >> field >> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and RWWE >> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. >> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each other >> since there was some overlap in experience. >> >> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living >> skills. >> Its like the youth version of the rehab program. >> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. >> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students >> had club activities and in the evening >> there were more activities and some of them were off campus. >> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class >> period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra >> curriculars and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already >> knew. I wonder if the adult program is more individualized with a good >> evaluation of skills before you learn skills in class. >> >> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, and >> information technology. In communication some students learned braille >> but >> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase >> a >> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. >> In >> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on >> cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and >> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found >> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained things. >> There was another student in my class. We made >> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had >> a >> lesson on putting on lipstick too. >> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and >> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. >> >> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and >> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the >> bus. >> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to >> Newton >> center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I had >> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. >> >> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was >> ten years ago! >> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay >> objects and painted them. >> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or >> goal >> ball. >> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to swim, >> but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping >> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. >> >> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually fun. >> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where >> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and >> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to >> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and >> museums. >> >> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student >> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision >> impaired. >> >> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. >> -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >> >> Hello Everyone, >> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind in >> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >> center? >> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >> >> David >> ------------------------------**---- >> David Dodge >> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> State University of New York Student Assembly >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:59:07 -0500 > From: Gabe Cazares > To: members , tabs_students > , nabs-l > Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the > move and a corrected link > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > FYI > > ...Gabe > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Andrews > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 > Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a corrected > link > To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > > >> >>Hello, >> >>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >>Ground >>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >>about >>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >> >>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers list >>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >>book >>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >>purchased >>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one please >>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All copies >>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >> >>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >>If >>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>lessons around >>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at bookstores. >>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to >>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before Roselle >>passed on June 26, 2011. >> >>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that "Thunder >>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >>The >>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind convention >>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >> >>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated as >>a >>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane >>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the eight >>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >>problem. >>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >>and >>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >>Alma Mater. >> >>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As always, >>if >>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >>looking >>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact >>information. I hope all is well with you. >> >> >>Best, >> >> >>Mike Hingson >> >>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >> "Speaking with Vision" >>Michael Hingson, President >>(415) 827-4084 >>info at michaelhingson.com >>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>www.michaelhingson.com >> >>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at >>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >> >>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Nfbnet-members-list mailing list > Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > > > > -- > Gabriel M. Cazares, > 2nd Vice President > Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS > (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) > www.nfbtx.org/tabs > Phone: 713-581-0619 > "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest > willing to let them." > -Robert Frost > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:57:26 -0600 > From: Beth > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award > Message-ID: <4e47aa32.87cee70a.3a4e.ffffa021 at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi, guys. > I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear > of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for > her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys > have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog > myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I > have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been > thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've > heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in > portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all > vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. > Thanks. > Beth > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:08:02 -0500 > From: "Peter Donahue" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > Message-ID: <003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43 at yourfsyly0jtwn> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Hello Justin and everyone, > > For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll > Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw > the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What > can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a "Dying." > If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you need > once and it will last you a life time. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > > > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers with > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. > > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with all > of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, I > highly recommend it. > > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the experience > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that I > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so I > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to use > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, but > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn all > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable > visual field and acuity. > > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have > chosen. > > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, > and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other students > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also saw > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we were > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people talk," > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often led > to self-awareness and confidence building. > > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were responsible > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so they > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at a > distance while we were in the environment. > > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the end > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training center > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but it > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the dining > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or > counter-clockwise direction. > > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but it > is not the very best option available. > > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. > > Justin > > > > Justin M. Salisbury > Undergraduate Student > The University Honors Program > East Carolina University > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu > > ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change > the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:32:38 -0400 > From: chris nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [nabs-l] sending a message to all Gmail contacts? > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi everyone, > > I have a question for all Gmail users. Is there a way that I can send > a message to all Gmail contacts at the same time? Is there some kind > of "send to all" button like there is on my mom's Yahoo account? I'm > asking because, as I posted last night, our business (Arianna's Art, > Inc.) has created a new Gmail account where people can send us > questions, feedback, orders, etc. We'd also like to create a contacts > list for our Gmail account, and send out an email to all our contacts > when we have a new announcement or a piece of news. So, can I do this > in Gmail without Google group? If I can't do this with JAWS in Basic > HTML mode, I'll just create a list on Google Groups. But, can I send > one message to all contacts? Thanks! > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:34:34 -0400 > From: chris nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Blind Talk Mailing List > Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors > flier > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" > > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:38:39 -0500 > Subject: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier > To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." > > > *Employment Mentoring Project* > > *Seeking Professionals Who Are Blind * > > ** > > Remember the challenges you faced in finding your first job?? > > Would you like to help a college student who is also blind begin their > career in a profession similar to yours?? > > We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with > mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. > > *BENEFITS* > > ?Opportunity to mentor a college student who is blind and is interested > in working in your profession > > ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community > > *RESPONSIBILITIES* > > ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after your mentee > graduates > > ?Help your mentee develop career goals and offer opportunities for job > shadowing > > ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month > > ?Complete online activities monthly > > ** > > *ELIGIBILITY* > > ?Legal blindness > > ?Currently employed or retired from a professional career > > ?Has basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility > software/hardware needed to access online materials > > *INTERESTED?* > > ?*Complete the eligibility survey at *http://tiny.cc/mentor-professionals** > > ** > > ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State > University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at > rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: > 1-800-675-7782 > > > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:37:04 -0400 > From: chris nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > , Blind Talk Mailing List > > Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees > flier. > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" > > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:37:29 -0500 > Subject: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. > To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." > > > *Employment Mentoring Project* > > *For Students Who Are Legally Blind* > > ** > > Is finding a job your next big step after graduation?? > > Would you like the opportunity to work with a mentor who is also blind > and has experience in your profession of interest?? > > We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with > mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. > > *BENEFITS* > > ?Potential to work with a career mentor who is blind > > ?Access to career development resources > > ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community > > *RESPONSIBILITIES* > > ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after graduation > > ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month > > ?Complete online activities monthly > > ** > > *ELIGIBILITY* > > ?Undergraduate or graduate student, under age 35, who: > > oIs legally blind > > oPlans to graduate within 2-3 semesters after January 2012 > > oExpects to seek employment after graduation > > oHas basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility > software/hardware needed to access online materials > > *INTERESTED?* > > ?*Complete eligibility survey online at *http://tiny.cc/mentor-students** > > ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State > University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at > rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: > 1-800-675-7782 > > > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:50:16 -0400 > From: chris nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Hi everyone, > > This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to > start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about > attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend > BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, > from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center > next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, > Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought > were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each > program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences > in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely > be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm > going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into > 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! > > Chris > > On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Hello Justin and everyone, >> >> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll >> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw >> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What >> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a "Dying." >> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you need >> once and it will last you a life time. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> >> >> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >> with >> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >> >> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >> all >> of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, >> I >> highly recommend it. >> >> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real >> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >> experience >> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that >> >> I >> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so >> I >> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >> use >> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >> but >> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I >> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the >> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >> all >> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >> visual field and acuity. >> >> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I >> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >> chosen. >> >> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence >> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, >> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we >> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >> students >> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities >> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >> saw >> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >> were >> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >> talk," >> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >> led >> to self-awareness and confidence building. >> >> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills >> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by >> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >> responsible >> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had >> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >> they >> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at >> a >> distance while we were in the environment. >> >> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >> end >> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They >> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >> center >> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a >> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but >> it >> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >> dining >> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate >> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >> counter-clockwise direction. >> >> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >> it >> is not the very best option available. >> >> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >> >> Justin >> >> >> >> Justin M. Salisbury >> Undergraduate Student >> The University Honors Program >> East Carolina University >> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >> >> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >> change >> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:58:53 -0400 > From: chris nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Beth, > > Amen to that! I'm going to try on my PC, as the site was a little > weird with my BrailleNote, so it may be better with JAWS. I have > recently finished reading Thunder Dog (my friend picked a copy up for > me at national convention, as I wasn't there... what a bad > Federationist I am, *smiles) and it's a wonderfull story. You'll love > it! Enjoy the book! > > Chris > > P.S. Does anybody know when the deadline for voting for Roselle is? > Did Mike mention this in one of his emails, and I just didn't pay > attention? > > On 8/14/11, Beth wrote: >> Hi, guys. >> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear >> of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for >> her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys >> have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog >> myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I >> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been >> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've >> heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in >> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all >> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. >> Thanks. >> Beth >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:49:13 -0400 > From: chris nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on > the move and a corrected link > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Gabe, > > Just FYI, you don't need to send emails to the NABS list if they come > across as posted to the NFBnet-members list. When Dave Andrews posts > something to the NFBnet-members or NFBnet-master lists, it goes to > everybody who's on any NFBnet lists. This reduces Inbox clutter for > people who are on multiple lists, as a message is sent to one list, > then forwarded to another list on the same server as the first, then > another, and another... well, you see what I mean. The other lists you > posted it to hadn't seen the message before you sent it, though, > because they're on different servers. Just letting you know! > > Chris > > On 8/13/11, Gabe Cazares wrote: >> FYI >> >> ...Gabe >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: David Andrews >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 >> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >> corrected >> link >> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >> >> >>> >>>Hello, >>> >>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >>> Ground >>>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >>> about >>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >>>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >>> >>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers >>>list >>>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >>> book >>>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >>> purchased >>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one please >>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All copies >>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >>> >>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >>> If >>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>>lessons around >>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at bookstores. >>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >>>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to >>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before >>>Roselle >>>passed on June 26, 2011. >>> >>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that "Thunder >>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >>> The >>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind convention >>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >>> >>>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated as >>> a >>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane >>>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the >>>eight >>>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >>> problem. >>>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >>> and >>>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >>>Alma Mater. >>> >>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As always, >>> if >>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >>> looking >>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact >>>information. I hope all is well with you. >>> >>> >>>Best, >>> >>> >>>Mike Hingson >>> >>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >>> "Speaking with Vision" >>>Michael Hingson, President >>>(415) 827-4084 >>>info at michaelhingson.com >>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>>www.michaelhingson.com >>> >>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at >>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >>> >>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nfbnet-members-list mailing list >> Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >> >> >> >> -- >> Gabriel M. Cazares, >> 2nd Vice President >> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS >> (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) >> www.nfbtx.org/tabs >> Phone: 713-581-0619 >> "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest >> willing to let them." >> -Robert Frost >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:25:30 -0400 > From: Patrick Molloy > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello everyone: > I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds > are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something > to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more > accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days? > (I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't > compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be > appreciated. > Thanks, > Patrick Molloy > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 > ************************************** > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From aubielynn at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 22:30:48 2011 From: aubielynn at gmail.com (Aubrie Lucas) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:30:48 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog In-Reply-To: References: <4e49b9a5.634dec0a.2d40.ffffe6ff@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <002e01cc5c64$276a3aa0$763eafe0$@com> And it's only about two hundred pages. Nice and concise. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 5:20 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog sounds like a good book then. I wasn't aware it covered early parts of his life. I'll get the book too. -----Original Message----- From: Beth Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog It focuses on all aspects of his life, and how he ended up with Roselle. The book chapters focus on how he overcame the adjustment phase of blindness. It's basically a biography with the story of how he and Roselle got out of the twin towers and World Trade Center alive. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: References: <4e49b9a5.634dec0a.2d40.ffffe6ff@mx.google.com> <002e01cc5c64$276a3aa0$763eafe0$@com> Message-ID: Where can i obtain the book? Sent from my iPod On Aug 16, 2011, at 6:30 PM, "Aubrie Lucas" wrote: > And it's only about two hundred pages. Nice and concise. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of bookwormahb at earthlink.net > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 5:20 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog > > sounds like a good book then. I wasn't aware it covered early parts of his > life. > I'll get the book too. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog > > It focuses on all aspects of his life, and how he ended up with > Roselle. The book chapters focus on how he overcame the > adjustment phase of blindness. It's basically a biography with > the story of how he and Roselle got out of the twin towers and > World Trade Center alive. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:01:54 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog > > So long is the book and what part of his life does it focus on? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:07 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog > > Hi, all. > Here's what I think of Thunder Dog so far. Let's just say > this is a great story. There's a lot of great topics overed > by the author in the story. I haven't finished the book > yet, but so far, it seems as though Michael and Roselle are > the perfect pair for the time they are stuck in at the > portion of the book I'm in. You guys were right. It's a > wonderful story, but I haven't even reached the book's end. > Look for a full review after I've read the book. > Also, don't forget to vote. > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma > hb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > sloose%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl > ink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 00:30:42 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:30:42 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog Message-ID: <4e4b0bd3.0b30e70a.2f11.0a7d@mx.google.com> You can obtain the book from Michael's website, I found it on Bookshare if you're a member, and then you can also get it from Amazon I think. There are many ways you can get the book. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Hope Paulos wrote: And it's only about two hundred pages. Nice and concise. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 5:20 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog sounds like a good book then. I wasn't aware it covered early parts of his life. I'll get the book too. -----Original Message----- From: Beth Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog It focuses on all aspects of his life, and how he ended up with Roselle. The book chapters focus on how he overcame the adjustment phase of blindness. It's basically a biography with the story of how he and Roselle got out of the twin towers and World Trade Center alive. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: =20----=20Original=20Message=20------ From:=20"Dornetta"=20 References: <4e4b0f84.c36a340a.7738.32a6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: We already got this and this is the second or third time, hth. Sent from my iPod Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com Skype: joshgregory93 On Aug 16, 2554 BE, at 8:46 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > > > ---- Original Message ------ > From: "Dornetta" Subject: [nabs] Fw: Benefit from HumanWare’s Back to School Specials! > Date sent: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 16:35:30 -0400 > > Just thought I'd share. 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These offer end September 30. > Unsubscribe > http://visit.humanware.com/unsubscribe/u/3332/8efac8746c4d1e70cfc > f85fb3de757ba/240489352 > from our newsletter. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs mailing list > nabs at acb.org > http://www.acb.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 02:43:34 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:43:34 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness a dying? In-Reply-To: References: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02288DC3@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> <000901cc5c23$d6064e50$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Hi all, Interesting. I didn't realize the founder of the Carroll Center was the same guy who wrote "Blindness: What it Is, What it Does and How to Live with It". I haven't actually read the book myself, but I have read other articles who have cited it, and in fact I read up quite a bit on Carroll's philosophy as part of a grant proposal I recently wrote. Fr. Carroll was one of several blindness rehab scholars in the 1960's and 1970's who advocated a "loss model" explaining how people adjust to blindness. These loss models postulate that losing one's eyesight is a lot like experiencing the death of a loved one and that people cope with it in similar fashion by going through various stages of grief, like denial, depression, anger and despair, before they eventually come to accept the loss and move forward. My understanding is that loss-model advocates generally believed people who lose their sight are not "ready" to begin getting training in alternative techniques until they have had time to process their sadness and grief. What is so unfortunate about these kinds of theories is that they imply everyone reacts to blindness in the same way, and that these negative emotional reactions are inevitable and will happen regardless of what rehab professionals or others (like family members, spouses, etc.) do. Luckily, more recently scholars in the field have noticed that not everyone who becomes blind experiences depression or grief and that some people actually do quite well with early training in alternative skills. Scholars have also begun to understand that the reactions of the important people in a blind person's life can play a huge role in determining how that blind person copes and that much of the depression, frustration, etc. that come from blindness actually come from other people's negative reactions, as well as the temporary sense of incompetence that comes from not knowing alternative skills. The problem with theories like Carroll's, I think, is that they assume blindness affects everyone equally. Of course many of us who lose vision experience temporary depression and grief, and of course even those of us who have been blind our whole lives have times when we hate blindness. But clearly not everyone reacts in the same way or finds their lives dominated by these negative feelings. It's similar to research we often see showing how blind children on average are deficient or delayed in all kinds of developmental areas. This may be true on average, but it's not true for all blind kids. These kinds of conclusions that focus on blind people as a group may be accurate, but they're oversimplified. They fail to account for all the factors that allow some of us to end up better-adjusted than others. What distinguishes newly blind folks who get depressed from those who don't? What separates blind kids who start crawling or walking on time from those who don't? These kinds of questions, I think, are rarely asked, but they're much more important than the questions that lump all blind people together, because they show us what controllable factors make real differences in our lives. If we don't ask these kinds of questions, we end up concluding that blindness is a kind of equal-opportunity buzzkill that will leave all of us maladjusted and unproductive regardless of what we do. And that's depressing! Arielle On 8/16/11, chris nusbaum wrote: > Hi Justin, > > Don't hold your breath for having a Federationist take over the > Carroll Center! Well, it may happen, but I don't see it happening > soon, as they've worked very closely with the AFB (I think) and a lot > of them still believe in what FR Carroll did. > > Chris > > On 8/16/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Hello Justin and everyone, >> >> You can read all about FR. Carroll's belief about blindness being a >> "Dying" in his book "Blindness: What it is, What it does,and How to Live >> With It." You should be able to get the book from NLS, Learning Allie, or >> Bookshare.org. I read it in the late 1970s and became totally depressed >> after reading three chapters of it. Dr. Jernigan quoted from it in his >> address: "Blindness Handicap or Characteristic." >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:42 AM >> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> >> >> I just want to summarize my view on the Carroll Center: >> >> If it's the only opportunity you have to get some skills that you don't >> already have, it can benefit you. If you have the opportunity to attend >> an >> NFB training center (or BISM, which Amy Phelps runs with an NFB >> philosophy), >> choose it over the Carroll Center 100 out of 100 times. >> >> I've never heard the "dying" thing about Father Carroll, but it does not >> surprise me. I would love to get a good Federationist to take over the >> management of the Carroll Center. >> >> Justin >> >> Justin M. Salisbury >> Undergraduate Student >> The University Honors Program >> East Carolina University >> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >> >> “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >> change >> the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org] >> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:00 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 >> >> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (David Dunphy) >> 2. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (Justin Young) >> 3. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Kirt Manwaring) >> 4. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Heather Field) >> 5. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >> (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> 6. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (chris nusbaum) >> 7. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> 8. announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: new email >> address for the business (chris nusbaum) >> 9. The Carroll Center for the Blind (Salisbury, Justin Mark) >> 10. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (David Dodge) >> 11. Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >> corrected link (Gabe Cazares) >> 12. AMerican Hero Dog Award (Beth) >> 13. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (Peter Donahue) >> 14. sending a message to all Gmail contacts? (chris nusbaum) >> 15. Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier >> (chris nusbaum) >> 16. Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. >> (chris nusbaum) >> 17. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (chris nusbaum) >> 18. Re: AMerican Hero Dog Award (chris nusbaum) >> 19. Re: Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move >> and a corrected link (chris nusbaum) >> 20. accessible iPod (Patrick Molloy) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:11:26 -0400 >> From: David Dunphy >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi Everybody! >> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >> nabslinkaudio.org. >> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >> spam, etc. >> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >> to a new provider. >> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >> online again. >> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >> said messages and no one else >> and >> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >> validated by the owner >> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >> once you see it! >> If you have any questions, please email me at >> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >> Thank you. >> >From David >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:29:42 -0400 >> From: Justin Young >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi David, >> >> No problem. I did three different programs. In the Summer of 2006 I >> did the Youth In Transition(YIT) program which is heavily focused upon >> daily living skills. There were classes from 8:45-3pm Mon-Fri. Then >> there was activities that you did clubs and stuff like that. Some >> were fun and some not really. You have the opportunity to do fencing, >> and other evening activities. Some of the evening ones were more >> arts/crafts style if I recall. Its hard to say with the >> extracurriculars cuz they changed ever year. The ones whichwere the >> same were Fencing, Sailing, shopping and others which I forget. The >> next Summer I did the Real World of Work Experience Program(RWWE) >> which was 5 weeks where the first week is doing the classes to make >> sure you can do all of it because like laundry you had to wait until >> after classes were over or on weekends as well. Once you begin >> working its great I must say. When I did it they selected a place for >> you and you were on the job site for Mon, Wed, Fri and Tues & Thu you >> went on Field Trips. Oh yes I forgot about those we went on those as >> well in YIT. They were to fun places, movies, golfing & stuff like >> that. For the RWWE program though on Thursdays we went on Work >> related field trips. Like once we went to the State House in Boston >> and tried to go to Cape Cod, but the van I was in broke down so >> couldn't do that one. There were still the activities in the >> afternoon and evening. I didn't really do the ones in the afternoon >> because I got back from work to late always. I worked at the Newton >> Welseley Hospital in the Receiving Department which was fun after I >> got a hand of what I was doing, the layout of the place and confidence >> that I could do it all. I delivered to depts mainly. For my Final >> Summer I and 4 others were involved in the pilot program of Transition >> To College(TTC) in the Summer of 2008. This program was 4 weeks where >> we did 2 at the Carroll Center like the YIT program and 2 at Boston >> College. The 2 weeks of the classes is to ensure we could do it while >> at BC. There was also a 2 week period before the program started for >> all in the program to do the Computing to College which is a computer >> program based in the Technology Center at the Carroll Center. I >> couldn't do this portion because I was finishing High School. While >> at BC we attended various seminars during the day and after I think >> 3pm it was we were free to do whatever we liked. We stayed in a dorm >> which was a suite style and had a supervisor in one of the 5 rooms >> with us. We were given each day $15 for food and had to give the >> supervisor all receipts of what we spent. We definitely got our >> exercise because our dorm was about a mile from the Education Building >> where our seminars took place. We went on a field trip or two I don't >> remember. I remember we went to either Boston University or one of >> the UMass schools. I and a few of the others in the program took the >> train to go places once or twice and a coffee shop was right on the >> edge of the college and not far from our dorm. So, I went there >> sometimes. >> >> It was a great three years full of making friends. The cons you >> asked? Hmm, well it really depends upon how you look at which program >> you are in. I would say that sometimes you were forced to do things >> you didn't really want to do which is why I really liked the BC >> living. I hope this helps you. >> >> Justin >> >> On 8/13/11, David Dodge wrote: >>> Justin, >>> Thanks for your e-mail. Clearly, you have a great deal of experience with >>> the center. Can you tell me about the program you were in, what you >>> learned, >>> and how it helped you? Were there any cons to the center? Thanks so much. >>> >>> David >>> ---------------------------------- >>> David Dodge >>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Justin Young wrote: >>> >>>> Hi David, >>>> >>>> I have experience with this center since I spent 3 consecutive summers >>>> at the Corroll Center. I would be happy to answer any questions you >>>> may have. >>>> >>>> Justin Young >>>> >>>> On 8/12/11, David Dodge wrote: >>>> > Hello Everyone, >>>> > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the >>>> > Blind >>>> in >>>> > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>>> center? >>>> > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >>>> > >>>> > David >>>> > ---------------------------------- >>>> > David Dodge >>>> > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>> > State University of New York Student Assembly >>>> > English Major >>>> > University at Buffalo >>>> > 306 Clemens Hall >>>> > Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>> > daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>>> > >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:52:23 -0600 >> From: Kirt Manwaring >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Peter, >> I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time >> using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their >> own, I guess. >> Warmly, >> Kirt >> >> On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Hello Joseph and everyone, >>> >>> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. >>> It >>> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access for >>> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping >>> to >>> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio >>> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or >>> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: >>> http://www.blio.com >>> >>> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a >>> great >>> product. Now to add more books to our collection. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>> >>> >>> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be >>> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works >>> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* >>> >>> Joseph - kf7qzc >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>>>Listers, >>>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>Jan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> >>>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>> >>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>Behalf >>>> >>>>Of Anjelina >>>> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >>>> >>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>>>from >>>> >>>>paying the annual fee. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>> >>>>From: Marsha Drenth >>>> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >>>> >>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >>>> >>>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use >>>> >>>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >>>> >>>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use >>>> >>>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >>>> >>>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>signature >>>> >>>>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> >>>>nabs-l: >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >>>> >>>>com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Anjelina >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> >>>>nabs-l: >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>>> >>>>l.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:27:44 -0500 >> From: "Heather Field" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Hi Kurt, >> I downloaded Kindle for PC and then bought an ebook with speech enabled. >> However, I believe I still need an accessibility plugin or some such >> add-on >> to make it fully accessible. As you're having great success with using >> Kindle, can you please advise me as to what I need to do so I can read my >> ebook. >> >> Thanks so much. >> Heather >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kirt Manwaring >> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:52 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >> >> Peter, >> I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time >> using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their >> own, I guess. >> Warmly, >> Kirt >> >> On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Hello Joseph and everyone, >>> >>> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. >>> It >>> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access for >>> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping >>> to >>> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio >>> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or >>> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: >>> http://www.blio.com >>> >>> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a >>> great >>> product. Now to add more books to our collection. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>> >>> >>> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be >>> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works >>> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* >>> >>> Joseph - kf7qzc >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>>>Listers, >>>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>Jan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> >>>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>> >>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>Behalf >>>> >>>>Of Anjelina >>>> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >>>> >>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>>>from >>>> >>>>paying the annual fee. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>> >>>>From: Marsha Drenth >>>> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >>>> >>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >>>> >>>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use >>>> >>>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >>>> >>>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use >>>> >>>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >>>> >>>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>signature >>>> >>>>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> >>>>nabs-l: >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >>>> >>>>com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Anjelina >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> >>>>nabs-l: >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>>> >>>>l.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/missheather%40comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:49:43 -0400 >> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >> Message-ID: <1DD7E36205204D098FAF6758FBF60CAC at OwnerPC> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Dunphy >> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >> >> Hi Everybody! >> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >> nabslinkaudio.org. >> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >> spam, etc. >> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >> to a new provider. >> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >> online again. >> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >> said messages and no one else >> and >> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >> validated by the owner >> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >> once you see it! >> If you have any questions, please email me at >> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >> Thank you. >> >From David >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:09:38 -0400 >> From: chris nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi David, >> >> Technical problems, technical problems! First, nabslinkaudio.org's Web >> hosting service motherboard fried, and I just got an email saying that >> AAR will be temporarily offline! Wow! I completely understand. Thanks >> for the update, and I look forward to listening to the meeting! >> >> Chris >> >> On 8/13/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David Dunphy >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> >>> Hi Everybody! >>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >>> nabslinkaudio.org. >>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >>> spam, etc. >>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >>> to a new provider. >>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >>> online again. >>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >>> said messages and no one else >>> and >>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >>> validated by the owner >>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >>> once you see it! >>> If you have any questions, please email me at >>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >>> Thank you. >>> >From David >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:00:54 -0400 >> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >> Message-ID: <94D3A84AC9CB48E483A5C87D966FF189 at OwnerPC> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; >> reply-type=original >> >> David, >> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation adult >> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational >> transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a >> short summer experience to comment on. >> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult >> program >> because I am thinking of going back for training. >> >> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. >> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it?s >> a >> shorter program since they have a new program called >> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the >> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I >> known >> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE >> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The teens >> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. >> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I >> was >> friends with the RWWE students though. >> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of >> field >> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and RWWE >> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. >> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each other >> since there was some overlap in experience. >> >> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living >> skills. >> Its like the youth version of the rehab program. >> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. >> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students >> had >> club activities and in the evening >> there were more activities and some of them were off campus. >> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class >> period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra >> curriculars >> and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already knew. I >> wonder >> if the adult program is more individualized with a good evaluation of >> skills before you learn skills in class. >> >> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, and >> information technology. In communication some students learned braille >> but >> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase >> a >> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. >> In >> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on >> cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and >> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found >> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained things. >> There was another student in my class. We made >> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had >> a >> lesson on putting on lipstick too. >> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and >> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. >> >> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and >> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the >> bus. >> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to >> Newton >> center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I had >> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. >> >> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was >> ten >> years ago! >> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay >> objects and painted them. >> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or >> goal >> ball. >> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to swim, >> but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping >> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. >> >> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually fun. >> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where >> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and >> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to >> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and >> museums. >> >> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student >> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision >> impaired. >> >> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Dodge >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >> >> Hello Everyone, >> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind in >> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >> center? >> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> State University of New York Student Assembly >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:28:47 -0400 >> From: chris nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> , Blind Talk Mailing List >> , >> "g List\" , \"nfbmd\" , >> \"nabs\" , \"maryland-l\" , >> \"Ross >> Hammond\" , \"alena roberts\"" >> >> Cc: Ariana Lipka , ariannas.art at gmail.com >> Subject: [nabs-l] announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: >> new email address for the business >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> I'd like to let everyone know of a new and exciting change in our >> painting business for the blind and sighted, Arianna's Art, Inc. We've >> just created an email account where you can send us questions, >> comments, suggestions, or any other information regarding our >> business. If you would like to advertise our product by displaying it >> at your next NFB, ACB, or any other meeting or event, or would like to >> advertise us in any other way, you can also contact us via this email. >> Our email address is ariannas.art at gmail.com. We're also trying to >> create an email list for people who would like to recieve >> announcements from us. In other words, if you specify that you would >> like to be added to our email list, we'll add your email address to >> our contacts list, and whenever we have a new announcement, we'll >> email it to you. If you'd like to recieve announcements from us, >> please leave us your name and email address at the above email. The >> email address once again is ariannas.art at gmail.com. Arianna has two >> n's and there's no apostrophe before the s. Hope to hear from you >> soon! >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:57:40 +0000 >> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" >> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> Message-ID: >> >> <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94 at SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >> with >> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >> >> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >> all >> of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, >> I >> highly recommend it. >> >> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real >> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >> experience >> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that >> I >> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so >> I >> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >> use >> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >> but >> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I >> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the >> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >> all >> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >> visual field and acuity. >> >> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I >> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >> chosen. >> >> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence >> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, >> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we >> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >> students >> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities >> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >> saw >> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >> were >> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >> talk," >> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >> led >> to self-awareness and confidence building. >> >> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills >> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by >> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >> responsible >> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had >> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >> they >> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at >> a >> distance while we were in the environment. >> >> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >> end >> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They >> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >> center >> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a >> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but >> it >> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >> dining >> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate >> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >> counter-clockwise direction. >> >> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >> it >> is not the very best option available. >> >> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >> >> Justin >> >> >> >> Justin M. Salisbury >> Undergraduate Student >> The University Honors Program >> East Carolina University >> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >> >> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >> change >> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:03:06 -0400 >> From: David Dodge >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Thanks so much. He is doing the Youth in Transition program and is >> interested in doing some other programs as well. Good to know you had very >> positive experiences. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> State University of New York Student Assembly >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM, wrote: >> >>> David, >>> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation >>> adult >>> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational >>> transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a >>> short summer experience to comment on. >>> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult >>> program >>> because I am thinking of going back for training. >>> >>> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. >>> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it?s >>> a >>> shorter program since they have a new program called >>> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the >>> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I >>> known >>> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE >>> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The >>> teens >>> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. >>> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I >>> was friends with the RWWE students though. >>> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of >>> field >>> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and >>> RWWE >>> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. >>> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each >>> other >>> since there was some overlap in experience. >>> >>> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living >>> skills. >>> Its like the youth version of the rehab program. >>> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. >>> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students >>> had club activities and in the evening >>> there were more activities and some of them were off campus. >>> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class >>> period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra >>> curriculars and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already >>> knew. I wonder if the adult program is more individualized with a good >>> evaluation of skills before you learn skills in class. >>> >>> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, >>> and >>> information technology. In communication some students learned braille >>> but >>> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase >>> a >>> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. >>> In >>> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on >>> cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and >>> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found >>> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained >>> things. >>> There was another student in my class. We made >>> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had >>> a >>> lesson on putting on lipstick too. >>> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and >>> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. >>> >>> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and >>> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the >>> bus. >>> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to >>> Newton >>> center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I >>> had >>> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. >>> >>> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was >>> ten years ago! >>> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay >>> objects and painted them. >>> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or >>> goal >>> ball. >>> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to >>> swim, >>> but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping >>> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. >>> >>> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually >>> fun. >>> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where >>> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and >>> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to >>> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and >>> museums. >>> >>> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student >>> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision >>> impaired. >>> >>> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. >>> -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge >>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>> >>> Hello Everyone, >>> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind >>> in >>> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>> center? >>> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >>> >>> David >>> ------------------------------**---- >>> David Dodge >>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:59:07 -0500 >> From: Gabe Cazares >> To: members , tabs_students >> , nabs-l >> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the >> move and a corrected link >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> FYI >> >> ...Gabe >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: David Andrews >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 >> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >> corrected >> link >> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >> >> >>> >>>Hello, >>> >>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >>>Ground >>>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >>>about >>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >>>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >>> >>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers >>> list >>>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >>>book >>>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >>>purchased >>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one please >>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All copies >>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >>> >>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >>>If >>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>>lessons around >>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at bookstores. >>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >>>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to >>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before >>> Roselle >>>passed on June 26, 2011. >>> >>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that "Thunder >>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >>>The >>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind convention >>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >>> >>>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated as >>>a >>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane >>>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the >>> eight >>>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >>>problem. >>>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >>>and >>>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >>>Alma Mater. >>> >>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As always, >>>if >>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >>>looking >>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact >>>information. I hope all is well with you. >>> >>> >>>Best, >>> >>> >>>Mike Hingson >>> >>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >>> "Speaking with Vision" >>>Michael Hingson, President >>>(415) 827-4084 >>>info at michaelhingson.com >>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>>www.michaelhingson.com >>> >>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at >>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >>> >>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nfbnet-members-list mailing list >> Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >> >> >> >> -- >> Gabriel M. Cazares, >> 2nd Vice President >> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS >> (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) >> www.nfbtx.org/tabs >> Phone: 713-581-0619 >> "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest >> willing to let them." >> -Robert Frost >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:57:26 -0600 >> From: Beth >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award >> Message-ID: <4e47aa32.87cee70a.3a4e.ffffa021 at mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Hi, guys. >> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear >> of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for >> her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys >> have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog >> myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I >> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been >> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've >> heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in >> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all >> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. >> Thanks. >> Beth >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 13 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:08:02 -0500 >> From: "Peter Donahue" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> Message-ID: <003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43 at yourfsyly0jtwn> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >> Hello Justin and everyone, >> >> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll >> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw >> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What >> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a "Dying." >> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you need >> once and it will last you a life time. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> >> >> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >> with >> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >> >> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >> all >> of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, >> I >> highly recommend it. >> >> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real >> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >> experience >> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that >> I >> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so >> I >> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >> use >> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >> but >> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I >> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the >> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >> all >> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >> visual field and acuity. >> >> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I >> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >> chosen. >> >> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence >> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, >> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we >> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >> students >> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities >> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >> saw >> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >> were >> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >> talk," >> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >> led >> to self-awareness and confidence building. >> >> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills >> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by >> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >> responsible >> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had >> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >> they >> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at >> a >> distance while we were in the environment. >> >> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >> end >> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They >> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >> center >> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a >> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but >> it >> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >> dining >> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate >> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >> counter-clockwise direction. >> >> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >> it >> is not the very best option available. >> >> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >> >> Justin >> >> >> >> Justin M. Salisbury >> Undergraduate Student >> The University Honors Program >> East Carolina University >> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >> >> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >> change >> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 14 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:32:38 -0400 >> From: chris nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] sending a message to all Gmail contacts? >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> I have a question for all Gmail users. Is there a way that I can send >> a message to all Gmail contacts at the same time? Is there some kind >> of "send to all" button like there is on my mom's Yahoo account? I'm >> asking because, as I posted last night, our business (Arianna's Art, >> Inc.) has created a new Gmail account where people can send us >> questions, feedback, orders, etc. We'd also like to create a contacts >> list for our Gmail account, and send out an email to all our contacts >> when we have a new announcement or a piece of news. So, can I do this >> in Gmail without Google group? If I can't do this with JAWS in Basic >> HTML mode, I'll just create a list on Google Groups. But, can I send >> one message to all contacts? Thanks! >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 15 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:34:34 -0400 >> From: chris nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Blind Talk Mailing List >> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors >> flier >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" >> >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:38:39 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier >> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." >> >> >> *Employment Mentoring Project* >> >> *Seeking Professionals Who Are Blind * >> >> ** >> >> Remember the challenges you faced in finding your first job?? >> >> Would you like to help a college student who is also blind begin their >> career in a profession similar to yours?? >> >> We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with >> mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. >> >> *BENEFITS* >> >> ?Opportunity to mentor a college student who is blind and is interested >> in working in your profession >> >> ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community >> >> *RESPONSIBILITIES* >> >> ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after your mentee >> graduates >> >> ?Help your mentee develop career goals and offer opportunities for job >> shadowing >> >> ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month >> >> ?Complete online activities monthly >> >> ** >> >> *ELIGIBILITY* >> >> ?Legal blindness >> >> ?Currently employed or retired from a professional career >> >> ?Has basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility >> software/hardware needed to access online materials >> >> *INTERESTED?* >> >> ?*Complete the eligibility survey at >> *http://tiny.cc/mentor-professionals** >> >> ** >> >> ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State >> University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at >> rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: >> 1-800-675-7782 >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 16 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:37:04 -0400 >> From: chris nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> , Blind Talk Mailing List >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees >> flier. >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" >> >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:37:29 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. >> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." >> >> >> *Employment Mentoring Project* >> >> *For Students Who Are Legally Blind* >> >> ** >> >> Is finding a job your next big step after graduation?? >> >> Would you like the opportunity to work with a mentor who is also blind >> and has experience in your profession of interest?? >> >> We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with >> mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. >> >> *BENEFITS* >> >> ?Potential to work with a career mentor who is blind >> >> ?Access to career development resources >> >> ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community >> >> *RESPONSIBILITIES* >> >> ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after graduation >> >> ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month >> >> ?Complete online activities monthly >> >> ** >> >> *ELIGIBILITY* >> >> ?Undergraduate or graduate student, under age 35, who: >> >> oIs legally blind >> >> oPlans to graduate within 2-3 semesters after January 2012 >> >> oExpects to seek employment after graduation >> >> oHas basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility >> software/hardware needed to access online materials >> >> *INTERESTED?* >> >> ?*Complete eligibility survey online at *http://tiny.cc/mentor-students** >> >> ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State >> University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at >> rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: >> 1-800-675-7782 >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 17 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:50:16 -0400 >> From: chris nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! >> >> Chris >> >> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Hello Justin and everyone, >>> >>> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll >>> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw >>> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What >>> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>> "Dying." >>> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>> need >>> once and it will last you a life time. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> >>> >>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >>> with >>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>> >>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >>> all >>> of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, >>> I >>> highly recommend it. >>> >>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>> Real >>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>> experience >>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>> that >>> >>> I >>> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so >>> I >>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >>> use >>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >>> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >>> but >>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >>> I >>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>> the >>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >>> all >>> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >>> visual field and acuity. >>> >>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >>> I >>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>> chosen. >>> >>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence >>> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>> devices, >>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we >>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >>> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>> students >>> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities >>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >>> saw >>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>> were >>> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>> talk," >>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >>> led >>> to self-awareness and confidence building. >>> >>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>> skills >>> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >>> by >>> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>> responsible >>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>> had >>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >>> they >>> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at >>> a >>> distance while we were in the environment. >>> >>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >>> end >>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They >>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>> center >>> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >>> a >>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but >>> it >>> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>> dining >>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate >>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>> counter-clockwise direction. >>> >>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >>> it >>> is not the very best option available. >>> >>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> >>> Justin M. Salisbury >>> Undergraduate Student >>> The University Honors Program >>> East Carolina University >>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> >>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 18 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:58:53 -0400 >> From: chris nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi Beth, >> >> Amen to that! I'm going to try on my PC, as the site was a little >> weird with my BrailleNote, so it may be better with JAWS. I have >> recently finished reading Thunder Dog (my friend picked a copy up for >> me at national convention, as I wasn't there... what a bad >> Federationist I am, *smiles) and it's a wonderfull story. You'll love >> it! Enjoy the book! >> >> Chris >> >> P.S. Does anybody know when the deadline for voting for Roselle is? >> Did Mike mention this in one of his emails, and I just didn't pay >> attention? >> >> On 8/14/11, Beth wrote: >>> Hi, guys. >>> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear >>> of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for >>> her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys >>> have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog >>> myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I >>> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been >>> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've >>> heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in >>> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all >>> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. >>> Thanks. >>> Beth >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 19 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:49:13 -0400 >> From: chris nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on >> the move and a corrected link >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi Gabe, >> >> Just FYI, you don't need to send emails to the NABS list if they come >> across as posted to the NFBnet-members list. When Dave Andrews posts >> something to the NFBnet-members or NFBnet-master lists, it goes to >> everybody who's on any NFBnet lists. This reduces Inbox clutter for >> people who are on multiple lists, as a message is sent to one list, >> then forwarded to another list on the same server as the first, then >> another, and another... well, you see what I mean. The other lists you >> posted it to hadn't seen the message before you sent it, though, >> because they're on different servers. Just letting you know! >> >> Chris >> >> On 8/13/11, Gabe Cazares wrote: >>> FYI >>> >>> ...Gabe >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: David Andrews >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 >>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >>> corrected >>> link >>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>>> >>>>Hello, >>>> >>>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >>>> Ground >>>>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >>>> about >>>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >>>>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >>>> >>>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers >>>>list >>>>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >>>> book >>>>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >>>> purchased >>>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one >>>> please >>>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All >>>> copies >>>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >>>> >>>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >>>> If >>>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>>>lessons around >>>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at >>>> bookstores. >>>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >>>>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to >>>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before >>>>Roselle >>>>passed on June 26, 2011. >>>> >>>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that "Thunder >>>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >>>> The >>>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>>>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind >>>> convention >>>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >>>> >>>>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated >>>> as >>>> a >>>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane >>>>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the >>>>eight >>>>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >>>> problem. >>>>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >>>> and >>>>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >>>>Alma Mater. >>>> >>>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As always, >>>> if >>>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >>>> looking >>>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact >>>>information. I hope all is well with you. >>>> >>>> >>>>Best, >>>> >>>> >>>>Mike Hingson >>>> >>>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >>>> "Speaking with Vision" >>>>Michael Hingson, President >>>>(415) 827-4084 >>>>info at michaelhingson.com >>>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>>>www.michaelhingson.com >>>> >>>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at >>>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >>>> >>>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nfbnet-members-list mailing list >>> Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Gabriel M. Cazares, >>> 2nd Vice President >>> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS >>> (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) >>> www.nfbtx.org/tabs >>> Phone: 713-581-0619 >>> "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest >>> willing to let them." >>> -Robert Frost >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 20 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:25:30 -0400 >> From: Patrick Molloy >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hello everyone: >> I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds >> are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something >> to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more >> accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days? >> (I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't >> compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be >> appreciated. >> Thanks, >> Patrick Molloy >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 >> ************************************** >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Aug 17 02:55:07 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:55:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness a dying? In-Reply-To: References: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02288DC3@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> <000901cc5c23$d6064e50$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Arielle: That was a great post. I had never heard of this place, or the individual in question, but your post has educated me on his philosophy. I agree with you. Blessings, Joshua On 8/16/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > Interesting. I didn't realize the founder of the Carroll Center was > the same guy who wrote "Blindness: What it Is, What it Does and How to > Live with It". I haven't actually read the book myself, but I have > read other articles who have cited it, and in fact I read up quite a > bit on Carroll's philosophy as part of a grant proposal I recently > wrote. > Fr. Carroll was one of several blindness rehab scholars in the 1960's > and 1970's who advocated a "loss model" explaining how people adjust > to blindness. These loss models postulate that losing one's eyesight > is a lot like experiencing the death of a loved one and that people > cope with it in similar fashion by going through various stages of > grief, like denial, depression, anger and despair, before they > eventually come to accept the loss and move forward. My understanding > is that loss-model advocates generally believed people who lose their > sight are not "ready" to begin getting training in alternative > techniques until they have had time to process their sadness and > grief. What is so unfortunate about these kinds of theories is that > they imply everyone reacts to blindness in the same way, and that > these negative emotional reactions are inevitable and will happen > regardless of what rehab professionals or others (like family members, > spouses, etc.) do. Luckily, more recently scholars in the field have > noticed that not everyone who becomes blind experiences depression or > grief and that some people actually do quite well with early training > in alternative skills. Scholars have also begun to understand that the > reactions of the important people in a blind person's life can play a > huge role in determining how that blind person copes and that much of > the depression, frustration, etc. that come from blindness actually > come from other people's negative reactions, as well as the temporary > sense of incompetence that comes from not knowing alternative skills. > The problem with theories like Carroll's, I think, is that they assume > blindness affects everyone equally. Of course many of us who lose > vision experience temporary depression and grief, and of course even > those of us who have been blind our whole lives have times when we > hate blindness. But clearly not everyone reacts in the same way or > finds their lives dominated by these negative feelings. It's similar > to research we often see showing how blind children on average are > deficient or delayed in all kinds of developmental areas. This may be > true on average, but it's not true for all blind kids. These kinds of > conclusions that focus on blind people as a group may be accurate, but > they're oversimplified. They fail to account for all the factors that > allow some of us to end up better-adjusted than others. What > distinguishes newly blind folks who get depressed from those who > don't? What separates blind kids who start crawling or walking on time > from those who don't? These kinds of questions, I think, are rarely > asked, but they're much more important than the questions that lump > all blind people together, because they show us what controllable > factors make real differences in our lives. If we don't ask these > kinds of questions, we end up concluding that blindness is a kind of > equal-opportunity buzzkill that will leave all of us maladjusted and > unproductive regardless of what we do. And that's depressing! > Arielle > > On 8/16/11, chris nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Justin, >> >> Don't hold your breath for having a Federationist take over the >> Carroll Center! Well, it may happen, but I don't see it happening >> soon, as they've worked very closely with the AFB (I think) and a lot >> of them still believe in what FR Carroll did. >> >> Chris >> >> On 8/16/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Hello Justin and everyone, >>> >>> You can read all about FR. Carroll's belief about blindness being a >>> "Dying" in his book "Blindness: What it is, What it does,and How to Live >>> With It." You should be able to get the book from NLS, Learning Allie, or >>> Bookshare.org. I read it in the late 1970s and became totally depressed >>> after reading three chapters of it. Dr. Jernigan quoted from it in his >>> address: "Blindness Handicap or Characteristic." >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:42 AM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> >>> >>> I just want to summarize my view on the Carroll Center: >>> >>> If it's the only opportunity you have to get some skills that you don't >>> already have, it can benefit you. If you have the opportunity to attend >>> an >>> NFB training center (or BISM, which Amy Phelps runs with an NFB >>> philosophy), >>> choose it over the Carroll Center 100 out of 100 times. >>> >>> I've never heard the "dying" thing about Father Carroll, but it does not >>> surprise me. I would love to get a good Federationist to take over the >>> management of the Carroll Center. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> Justin M. Salisbury >>> Undergraduate Student >>> The University Honors Program >>> East Carolina University >>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> >>> “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD >>> >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org] >>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:00 PM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 >>> >>> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (David Dunphy) >>> 2. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (Justin Young) >>> 3. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Kirt Manwaring) >>> 4. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Heather Field) >>> 5. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >>> 6. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (chris nusbaum) >>> 7. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >>> 8. announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: new email >>> address for the business (chris nusbaum) >>> 9. The Carroll Center for the Blind (Salisbury, Justin Mark) >>> 10. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (David Dodge) >>> 11. Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >>> corrected link (Gabe Cazares) >>> 12. AMerican Hero Dog Award (Beth) >>> 13. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (Peter Donahue) >>> 14. sending a message to all Gmail contacts? (chris nusbaum) >>> 15. Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier >>> (chris nusbaum) >>> 16. Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. >>> (chris nusbaum) >>> 17. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (chris nusbaum) >>> 18. Re: AMerican Hero Dog Award (chris nusbaum) >>> 19. Re: Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move >>> and a corrected link (chris nusbaum) >>> 20. accessible iPod (Patrick Molloy) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:11:26 -0400 >>> From: David Dunphy >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi Everybody! >>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >>> nabslinkaudio.org. >>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >>> spam, etc. >>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >>> to a new provider. >>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >>> online again. >>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >>> said messages and no one else >>> and >>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >>> validated by the owner >>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >>> once you see it! >>> If you have any questions, please email me at >>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >>> Thank you. >>> >From David >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:29:42 -0400 >>> From: Justin Young >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> No problem. I did three different programs. In the Summer of 2006 I >>> did the Youth In Transition(YIT) program which is heavily focused upon >>> daily living skills. There were classes from 8:45-3pm Mon-Fri. Then >>> there was activities that you did clubs and stuff like that. Some >>> were fun and some not really. You have the opportunity to do fencing, >>> and other evening activities. Some of the evening ones were more >>> arts/crafts style if I recall. Its hard to say with the >>> extracurriculars cuz they changed ever year. The ones whichwere the >>> same were Fencing, Sailing, shopping and others which I forget. The >>> next Summer I did the Real World of Work Experience Program(RWWE) >>> which was 5 weeks where the first week is doing the classes to make >>> sure you can do all of it because like laundry you had to wait until >>> after classes were over or on weekends as well. Once you begin >>> working its great I must say. When I did it they selected a place for >>> you and you were on the job site for Mon, Wed, Fri and Tues & Thu you >>> went on Field Trips. Oh yes I forgot about those we went on those as >>> well in YIT. They were to fun places, movies, golfing & stuff like >>> that. For the RWWE program though on Thursdays we went on Work >>> related field trips. Like once we went to the State House in Boston >>> and tried to go to Cape Cod, but the van I was in broke down so >>> couldn't do that one. There were still the activities in the >>> afternoon and evening. I didn't really do the ones in the afternoon >>> because I got back from work to late always. I worked at the Newton >>> Welseley Hospital in the Receiving Department which was fun after I >>> got a hand of what I was doing, the layout of the place and confidence >>> that I could do it all. I delivered to depts mainly. For my Final >>> Summer I and 4 others were involved in the pilot program of Transition >>> To College(TTC) in the Summer of 2008. This program was 4 weeks where >>> we did 2 at the Carroll Center like the YIT program and 2 at Boston >>> College. The 2 weeks of the classes is to ensure we could do it while >>> at BC. There was also a 2 week period before the program started for >>> all in the program to do the Computing to College which is a computer >>> program based in the Technology Center at the Carroll Center. I >>> couldn't do this portion because I was finishing High School. While >>> at BC we attended various seminars during the day and after I think >>> 3pm it was we were free to do whatever we liked. We stayed in a dorm >>> which was a suite style and had a supervisor in one of the 5 rooms >>> with us. We were given each day $15 for food and had to give the >>> supervisor all receipts of what we spent. We definitely got our >>> exercise because our dorm was about a mile from the Education Building >>> where our seminars took place. We went on a field trip or two I don't >>> remember. I remember we went to either Boston University or one of >>> the UMass schools. I and a few of the others in the program took the >>> train to go places once or twice and a coffee shop was right on the >>> edge of the college and not far from our dorm. So, I went there >>> sometimes. >>> >>> It was a great three years full of making friends. The cons you >>> asked? Hmm, well it really depends upon how you look at which program >>> you are in. I would say that sometimes you were forced to do things >>> you didn't really want to do which is why I really liked the BC >>> living. I hope this helps you. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> On 8/13/11, David Dodge wrote: >>>> Justin, >>>> Thanks for your e-mail. Clearly, you have a great deal of experience >>>> with >>>> the center. Can you tell me about the program you were in, what you >>>> learned, >>>> and how it helped you? Were there any cons to the center? Thanks so >>>> much. >>>> >>>> David >>>> ---------------------------------- >>>> David Dodge >>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>>> English Major >>>> University at Buffalo >>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Justin Young wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi David, >>>>> >>>>> I have experience with this center since I spent 3 consecutive summers >>>>> at the Corroll Center. I would be happy to answer any questions you >>>>> may have. >>>>> >>>>> Justin Young >>>>> >>>>> On 8/12/11, David Dodge wrote: >>>>> > Hello Everyone, >>>>> > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the >>>>> > Blind >>>>> in >>>>> > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>>>> center? >>>>> > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >>>>> > >>>>> > David >>>>> > ---------------------------------- >>>>> > David Dodge >>>>> > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>>> > State University of New York Student Assembly >>>>> > English Major >>>>> > University at Buffalo >>>>> > 306 Clemens Hall >>>>> > Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>>> > daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> > nabs-l: >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:52:23 -0600 >>> From: Kirt Manwaring >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> Peter, >>> I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time >>> using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their >>> own, I guess. >>> Warmly, >>> Kirt >>> >>> On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> Hello Joseph and everyone, >>>> >>>> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. >>>> It >>>> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access >>>> for >>>> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping >>>> to >>>> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio >>>> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or >>>> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: >>>> http://www.blio.com >>>> >>>> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a >>>> great >>>> product. Now to add more books to our collection. >>>> >>>> Peter Donahue >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be >>>> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works >>>> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* >>>> >>>> Joseph - kf7qzc >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>>>>Listers, >>>>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>Jan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is >>>>> free. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>Behalf >>>>> >>>>>Of Anjelina >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >>>>> >>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>>>>from >>>>> >>>>>paying the annual fee. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>>From: Marsha Drenth >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >>>>> >>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >>>>> >>>>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to >>>>> use >>>>> >>>>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >>>>> >>>>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't >>>>> use >>>>> >>>>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >>>>> >>>>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie >>>>> books. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>>signature >>>>> >>>>>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >>>>> >>>>>com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Anjelina >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>>>> >>>>>l.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:27:44 -0500 >>> From: "Heather Field" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> Hi Kurt, >>> I downloaded Kindle for PC and then bought an ebook with speech enabled. >>> However, I believe I still need an accessibility plugin or some such >>> add-on >>> to make it fully accessible. As you're having great success with using >>> Kindle, can you please advise me as to what I need to do so I can read my >>> ebook. >>> >>> Thanks so much. >>> Heather >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kirt Manwaring >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:52 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >>> >>> Peter, >>> I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time >>> using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their >>> own, I guess. >>> Warmly, >>> Kirt >>> >>> On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> Hello Joseph and everyone, >>>> >>>> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. >>>> It >>>> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access >>>> for >>>> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping >>>> to >>>> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio >>>> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or >>>> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: >>>> http://www.blio.com >>>> >>>> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a >>>> great >>>> product. Now to add more books to our collection. >>>> >>>> Peter Donahue >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be >>>> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works >>>> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* >>>> >>>> Joseph - kf7qzc >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>>>>Listers, >>>>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>Jan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is >>>>> free. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>Behalf >>>>> >>>>>Of Anjelina >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >>>>> >>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>>>>from >>>>> >>>>>paying the annual fee. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>>From: Marsha Drenth >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >>>>> >>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >>>>> >>>>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to >>>>> use >>>>> >>>>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >>>>> >>>>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't >>>>> use >>>>> >>>>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >>>>> >>>>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie >>>>> books. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>>signature >>>>> >>>>>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >>>>> >>>>>com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Anjelina >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>>>> >>>>>l.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/missheather%40comcast.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:49:43 -0400 >>> From: >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> Message-ID: <1DD7E36205204D098FAF6758FBF60CAC at OwnerPC> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David Dunphy >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> >>> Hi Everybody! >>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >>> nabslinkaudio.org. >>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >>> spam, etc. >>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >>> to a new provider. >>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >>> online again. >>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >>> said messages and no one else >>> and >>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >>> validated by the owner >>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >>> once you see it! >>> If you have any questions, please email me at >>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >>> Thank you. >>> >From David >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:09:38 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> Technical problems, technical problems! First, nabslinkaudio.org's Web >>> hosting service motherboard fried, and I just got an email saying that >>> AAR will be temporarily offline! Wow! I completely understand. Thanks >>> for the update, and I look forward to listening to the meeting! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 8/13/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>>> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: David Dunphy >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>>> >>>> Hi Everybody! >>>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >>>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >>>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >>>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >>>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >>>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >>>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >>>> nabslinkaudio.org. >>>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >>>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >>>> spam, etc. >>>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >>>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >>>> to a new provider. >>>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >>>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >>>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >>>> online again. >>>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >>>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >>>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >>>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >>>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >>>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >>>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >>>> said messages and no one else >>>> and >>>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >>>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >>>> validated by the owner >>>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >>>> once you see it! >>>> If you have any questions, please email me at >>>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >>>> Thank you. >>>> >From David >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 7 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:00:54 -0400 >>> From: >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>> Message-ID: <94D3A84AC9CB48E483A5C87D966FF189 at OwnerPC> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> David, >>> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation >>> adult >>> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational >>> transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a >>> short summer experience to comment on. >>> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult >>> program >>> because I am thinking of going back for training. >>> >>> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. >>> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it?s >>> a >>> shorter program since they have a new program called >>> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the >>> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I >>> known >>> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE >>> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The >>> teens >>> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. >>> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I >>> was >>> friends with the RWWE students though. >>> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of >>> field >>> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and >>> RWWE >>> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. >>> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each >>> other >>> since there was some overlap in experience. >>> >>> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living >>> skills. >>> Its like the youth version of the rehab program. >>> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. >>> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students >>> had >>> club activities and in the evening >>> there were more activities and some of them were off campus. >>> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class >>> period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra >>> curriculars >>> and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already knew. I >>> wonder >>> if the adult program is more individualized with a good evaluation of >>> skills before you learn skills in class. >>> >>> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, >>> and >>> information technology. In communication some students learned braille >>> but >>> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase >>> a >>> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. >>> In >>> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on >>> cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and >>> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found >>> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained >>> things. >>> There was another student in my class. We made >>> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had >>> a >>> lesson on putting on lipstick too. >>> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and >>> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. >>> >>> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and >>> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the >>> bus. >>> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to >>> Newton >>> center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I >>> had >>> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. >>> >>> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was >>> ten >>> years ago! >>> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay >>> objects and painted them. >>> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or >>> goal >>> ball. >>> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to >>> swim, >>> but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping >>> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. >>> >>> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually >>> fun. >>> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where >>> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and >>> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to >>> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and >>> museums. >>> >>> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student >>> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision >>> impaired. >>> >>> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David Dodge >>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>> >>> Hello Everyone, >>> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind >>> in >>> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>> center? >>> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >>> >>> David >>> ---------------------------------- >>> David Dodge >>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 8 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:28:47 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> , Blind Talk Mailing List >>> , >>> "g List\" , \"nfbmd\" , >>> \"nabs\" , \"maryland-l\" , >>> \"Ross >>> Hammond\" , \"alena roberts\"" >>> >>> Cc: Ariana Lipka , ariannas.art at gmail.com >>> Subject: [nabs-l] announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: >>> new email address for the business >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I'd like to let everyone know of a new and exciting change in our >>> painting business for the blind and sighted, Arianna's Art, Inc. We've >>> just created an email account where you can send us questions, >>> comments, suggestions, or any other information regarding our >>> business. If you would like to advertise our product by displaying it >>> at your next NFB, ACB, or any other meeting or event, or would like to >>> advertise us in any other way, you can also contact us via this email. >>> Our email address is ariannas.art at gmail.com. We're also trying to >>> create an email list for people who would like to recieve >>> announcements from us. In other words, if you specify that you would >>> like to be added to our email list, we'll add your email address to >>> our contacts list, and whenever we have a new announcement, we'll >>> email it to you. If you'd like to recieve announcements from us, >>> please leave us your name and email address at the above email. The >>> email address once again is ariannas.art at gmail.com. Arianna has two >>> n's and there's no apostrophe before the s. Hope to hear from you >>> soon! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 9 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:57:40 +0000 >>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" >>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94 at SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >>> >>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >>> with >>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>> >>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >>> all >>> of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, >>> I >>> highly recommend it. >>> >>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>> Real >>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>> experience >>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>> that >>> I >>> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so >>> I >>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >>> use >>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >>> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >>> but >>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >>> I >>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>> the >>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >>> all >>> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >>> visual field and acuity. >>> >>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >>> I >>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>> chosen. >>> >>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence >>> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>> devices, >>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we >>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >>> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>> students >>> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities >>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >>> saw >>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>> were >>> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>> talk," >>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >>> led >>> to self-awareness and confidence building. >>> >>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>> skills >>> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >>> by >>> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>> responsible >>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>> had >>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >>> they >>> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at >>> a >>> distance while we were in the environment. >>> >>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >>> end >>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They >>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>> center >>> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >>> a >>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but >>> it >>> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>> dining >>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate >>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>> counter-clockwise direction. >>> >>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >>> it >>> is not the very best option available. >>> >>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> >>> Justin M. Salisbury >>> Undergraduate Student >>> The University Honors Program >>> East Carolina University >>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> >>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 10 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:03:06 -0400 >>> From: David Dodge >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> Thanks so much. He is doing the Youth in Transition program and is >>> interested in doing some other programs as well. Good to know you had >>> very >>> positive experiences. >>> >>> David >>> ---------------------------------- >>> David Dodge >>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM, wrote: >>> >>>> David, >>>> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation >>>> adult >>>> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational >>>> transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have >>>> a >>>> short summer experience to comment on. >>>> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult >>>> program >>>> because I am thinking of going back for training. >>>> >>>> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. >>>> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now >>>> it?s >>>> a >>>> shorter program since they have a new program called >>>> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the >>>> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I >>>> known >>>> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE >>>> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The >>>> teens >>>> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. >>>> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I >>>> was friends with the RWWE students though. >>>> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of >>>> field >>>> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and >>>> RWWE >>>> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. >>>> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each >>>> other >>>> since there was some overlap in experience. >>>> >>>> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living >>>> skills. >>>> Its like the youth version of the rehab program. >>>> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. >>>> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students >>>> had club activities and in the evening >>>> there were more activities and some of them were off campus. >>>> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class >>>> period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra >>>> curriculars and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already >>>> knew. I wonder if the adult program is more individualized with a good >>>> evaluation of skills before you learn skills in class. >>>> >>>> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, >>>> and >>>> information technology. In communication some students learned braille >>>> but >>>> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to >>>> erase >>>> a >>>> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. >>>> In >>>> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on >>>> cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and >>>> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found >>>> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained >>>> things. >>>> There was another student in my class. We made >>>> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We >>>> had >>>> a >>>> lesson on putting on lipstick too. >>>> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and >>>> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. >>>> >>>> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing >>>> and >>>> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the >>>> bus. >>>> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to >>>> Newton >>>> center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I >>>> had >>>> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. >>>> >>>> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was >>>> ten years ago! >>>> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay >>>> objects and painted them. >>>> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or >>>> goal >>>> ball. >>>> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to >>>> swim, >>>> but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping >>>> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. >>>> >>>> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually >>>> fun. >>>> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where >>>> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and >>>> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us >>>> to >>>> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and >>>> museums. >>>> >>>> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one >>>> student >>>> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision >>>> impaired. >>>> >>>> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. >>>> -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge >>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>>> >>>> Hello Everyone, >>>> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind >>>> in >>>> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>>> center? >>>> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >>>> >>>> David >>>> ------------------------------**---- >>>> David Dodge >>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>>> English Major >>>> University at Buffalo >>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 11 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:59:07 -0500 >>> From: Gabe Cazares >>> To: members , tabs_students >>> , nabs-l >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the >>> move and a corrected link >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> FYI >>> >>> ...Gabe >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: David Andrews >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 >>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >>> corrected >>> link >>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>>> >>>>Hello, >>>> >>>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >>>>Ground >>>>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >>>>about >>>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >>>>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >>>> >>>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers >>>> list >>>>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >>>>book >>>>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >>>>purchased >>>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one >>>> please >>>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All >>>> copies >>>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >>>> >>>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >>>>If >>>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>>>lessons around >>>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at >>>> bookstores. >>>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >>>>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to >>>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before >>>> Roselle >>>>passed on June 26, 2011. >>>> >>>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that "Thunder >>>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >>>>The >>>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>>>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind >>>> convention >>>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >>>> >>>>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated >>>> as >>>>a >>>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane >>>>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the >>>> eight >>>>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >>>>problem. >>>>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >>>>and >>>>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >>>>Alma Mater. >>>> >>>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As always, >>>>if >>>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >>>>looking >>>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact >>>>information. I hope all is well with you. >>>> >>>> >>>>Best, >>>> >>>> >>>>Mike Hingson >>>> >>>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >>>> "Speaking with Vision" >>>>Michael Hingson, President >>>>(415) 827-4084 >>>>info at michaelhingson.com >>>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>>>www.michaelhingson.com >>>> >>>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at >>>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >>>> >>>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nfbnet-members-list mailing list >>> Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Gabriel M. Cazares, >>> 2nd Vice President >>> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS >>> (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) >>> www.nfbtx.org/tabs >>> Phone: 713-581-0619 >>> "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest >>> willing to let them." >>> -Robert Frost >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 12 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:57:26 -0600 >>> From: Beth >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award >>> Message-ID: <4e47aa32.87cee70a.3a4e.ffffa021 at mx.google.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed >>> >>> Hi, guys. >>> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear >>> of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for >>> her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys >>> have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog >>> myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I >>> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been >>> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've >>> heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in >>> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all >>> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. >>> Thanks. >>> Beth >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 13 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:08:02 -0500 >>> From: "Peter Donahue" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> Message-ID: <003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43 at yourfsyly0jtwn> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >>> >>> Hello Justin and everyone, >>> >>> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll >>> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw >>> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What >>> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>> "Dying." >>> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>> need >>> once and it will last you a life time. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> >>> >>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >>> with >>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>> >>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >>> all >>> of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, >>> I >>> highly recommend it. >>> >>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>> Real >>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>> experience >>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>> that >>> I >>> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so >>> I >>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >>> use >>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >>> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >>> but >>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >>> I >>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>> the >>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >>> all >>> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >>> visual field and acuity. >>> >>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >>> I >>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>> chosen. >>> >>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence >>> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>> devices, >>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we >>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >>> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>> students >>> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities >>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >>> saw >>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>> were >>> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>> talk," >>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >>> led >>> to self-awareness and confidence building. >>> >>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>> skills >>> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >>> by >>> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>> responsible >>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>> had >>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >>> they >>> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at >>> a >>> distance while we were in the environment. >>> >>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >>> end >>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They >>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>> center >>> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >>> a >>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but >>> it >>> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>> dining >>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate >>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>> counter-clockwise direction. >>> >>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >>> it >>> is not the very best option available. >>> >>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> >>> Justin M. Salisbury >>> Undergraduate Student >>> The University Honors Program >>> East Carolina University >>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> >>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 14 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:32:38 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] sending a message to all Gmail contacts? >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I have a question for all Gmail users. Is there a way that I can send >>> a message to all Gmail contacts at the same time? Is there some kind >>> of "send to all" button like there is on my mom's Yahoo account? I'm >>> asking because, as I posted last night, our business (Arianna's Art, >>> Inc.) has created a new Gmail account where people can send us >>> questions, feedback, orders, etc. We'd also like to create a contacts >>> list for our Gmail account, and send out an email to all our contacts >>> when we have a new announcement or a piece of news. So, can I do this >>> in Gmail without Google group? If I can't do this with JAWS in Basic >>> HTML mode, I'll just create a list on Google Groups. But, can I send >>> one message to all contacts? Thanks! >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 15 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:34:34 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Blind Talk Mailing List >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors >>> flier >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" >>> >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:38:39 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier >>> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." >>> >>> >>> *Employment Mentoring Project* >>> >>> *Seeking Professionals Who Are Blind * >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Remember the challenges you faced in finding your first job?? >>> >>> Would you like to help a college student who is also blind begin their >>> career in a profession similar to yours?? >>> >>> We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with >>> mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. >>> >>> *BENEFITS* >>> >>> ?Opportunity to mentor a college student who is blind and is interested >>> in working in your profession >>> >>> ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community >>> >>> *RESPONSIBILITIES* >>> >>> ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after your mentee >>> graduates >>> >>> ?Help your mentee develop career goals and offer opportunities for job >>> shadowing >>> >>> ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month >>> >>> ?Complete online activities monthly >>> >>> ** >>> >>> *ELIGIBILITY* >>> >>> ?Legal blindness >>> >>> ?Currently employed or retired from a professional career >>> >>> ?Has basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility >>> software/hardware needed to access online materials >>> >>> *INTERESTED?* >>> >>> ?*Complete the eligibility survey at >>> *http://tiny.cc/mentor-professionals** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State >>> University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at >>> rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: >>> 1-800-675-7782 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 16 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:37:04 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> , Blind Talk Mailing List >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees >>> flier. >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" >>> >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:37:29 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. >>> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." >>> >>> >>> *Employment Mentoring Project* >>> >>> *For Students Who Are Legally Blind* >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Is finding a job your next big step after graduation?? >>> >>> Would you like the opportunity to work with a mentor who is also blind >>> and has experience in your profession of interest?? >>> >>> We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with >>> mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. >>> >>> *BENEFITS* >>> >>> ?Potential to work with a career mentor who is blind >>> >>> ?Access to career development resources >>> >>> ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community >>> >>> *RESPONSIBILITIES* >>> >>> ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after graduation >>> >>> ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month >>> >>> ?Complete online activities monthly >>> >>> ** >>> >>> *ELIGIBILITY* >>> >>> ?Undergraduate or graduate student, under age 35, who: >>> >>> oIs legally blind >>> >>> oPlans to graduate within 2-3 semesters after January 2012 >>> >>> oExpects to seek employment after graduation >>> >>> oHas basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility >>> software/hardware needed to access online materials >>> >>> *INTERESTED?* >>> >>> ?*Complete eligibility survey online at *http://tiny.cc/mentor-students** >>> >>> ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State >>> University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at >>> rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: >>> 1-800-675-7782 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 17 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:50:16 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >>> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >>> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >>> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >>> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >>> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >>> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >>> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >>> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >>> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >>> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >>> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >>> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> Hello Justin and everyone, >>>> >>>> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll >>>> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >>>> saw >>>> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >>>> What >>>> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>>> "Dying." >>>> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>>> need >>>> once and it will last you a life time. >>>> >>>> Peter Donahue >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>>> >>>> >>>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >>>> with >>>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>>> >>>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>>> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >>>> all >>>> of the other students involved. If only considering the social >>>> frontier, >>>> I >>>> highly recommend it. >>>> >>>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>>> Real >>>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>>> experience >>>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>>> that >>>> >>>> I >>>> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, >>>> so >>>> I >>>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >>>> use >>>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>>> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>>> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >>>> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >>>> but >>>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >>>> I >>>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>>> the >>>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >>>> all >>>> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >>>> visual field and acuity. >>>> >>>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >>>> I >>>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>>> chosen. >>>> >>>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >>>> confidence >>>> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >>>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>>> devices, >>>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >>>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >>>> we >>>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >>>> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>>> students >>>> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >>>> activities >>>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >>>> saw >>>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>>> were >>>> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>>> talk," >>>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >>>> led >>>> to self-awareness and confidence building. >>>> >>>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>>> skills >>>> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >>>> by >>>> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>>> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >>>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>>> responsible >>>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>>> had >>>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >>>> they >>>> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us >>>> at >>>> a >>>> distance while we were in the environment. >>>> >>>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >>>> end >>>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >>>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >>>> They >>>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>>> center >>>> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >>>> a >>>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >>>> but >>>> it >>>> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>>> dining >>>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >>>> navigate >>>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>>> counter-clockwise direction. >>>> >>>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >>>> it >>>> is not the very best option available. >>>> >>>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Justin M. Salisbury >>>> Undergraduate Student >>>> The University Honors Program >>>> East Carolina University >>>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>>> >>>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>>> change >>>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 18 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:58:53 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi Beth, >>> >>> Amen to that! I'm going to try on my PC, as the site was a little >>> weird with my BrailleNote, so it may be better with JAWS. I have >>> recently finished reading Thunder Dog (my friend picked a copy up for >>> me at national convention, as I wasn't there... what a bad >>> Federationist I am, *smiles) and it's a wonderfull story. You'll love >>> it! Enjoy the book! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> P.S. Does anybody know when the deadline for voting for Roselle is? >>> Did Mike mention this in one of his emails, and I just didn't pay >>> attention? >>> >>> On 8/14/11, Beth wrote: >>>> Hi, guys. >>>> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear >>>> of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for >>>> her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys >>>> have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog >>>> myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I >>>> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been >>>> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've >>>> heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in >>>> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all >>>> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. >>>> Thanks. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 19 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:49:13 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on >>> the move and a corrected link >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi Gabe, >>> >>> Just FYI, you don't need to send emails to the NABS list if they come >>> across as posted to the NFBnet-members list. When Dave Andrews posts >>> something to the NFBnet-members or NFBnet-master lists, it goes to >>> everybody who's on any NFBnet lists. This reduces Inbox clutter for >>> people who are on multiple lists, as a message is sent to one list, >>> then forwarded to another list on the same server as the first, then >>> another, and another... well, you see what I mean. The other lists you >>> posted it to hadn't seen the message before you sent it, though, >>> because they're on different servers. Just letting you know! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 8/13/11, Gabe Cazares wrote: >>>> FYI >>>> >>>> ...Gabe >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: David Andrews >>>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 >>>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >>>> corrected >>>> link >>>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Hello, >>>>> >>>>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>>>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >>>>> Ground >>>>>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >>>>> about >>>>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >>>>>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >>>>> >>>>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>>>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers >>>>>list >>>>>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >>>>> book >>>>>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >>>>> purchased >>>>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one >>>>> please >>>>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All >>>>> copies >>>>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >>>>> >>>>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >>>>> If >>>>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>>>>lessons around >>>>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at >>>>> bookstores. >>>>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >>>>>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful >>>>> to >>>>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before >>>>>Roselle >>>>>passed on June 26, 2011. >>>>> >>>>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that >>>>> "Thunder >>>>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >>>>> The >>>>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>>>>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>>>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind >>>>> convention >>>>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >>>>> >>>>>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated >>>>> as >>>>> a >>>>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American >>>>> Humane >>>>>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the >>>>>eight >>>>>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >>>>> problem. >>>>>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >>>>> and >>>>>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>>>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>>>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>>>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >>>>>Alma Mater. >>>>> >>>>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As >>>>> always, >>>>> if >>>>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >>>>> looking >>>>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and >>>>> contact >>>>>information. I hope all is well with you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Best, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Mike Hingson >>>>> >>>>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >>>>> "Speaking with Vision" >>>>>Michael Hingson, President >>>>>(415) 827-4084 >>>>>info at michaelhingson.com >>>>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>>>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>>>>www.michaelhingson.com >>>>> >>>>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year >>>>> at >>>>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >>>>> >>>>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Nfbnet-members-list mailing list >>>> Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gabriel M. Cazares, >>>> 2nd Vice President >>>> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS >>>> (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) >>>> www.nfbtx.org/tabs >>>> Phone: 713-581-0619 >>>> "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest >>>> willing to let them." >>>> -Robert Frost >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 20 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:25:30 -0400 >>> From: Patrick Molloy >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hello everyone: >>> I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds >>> are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something >>> to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more >>> accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days? >>> (I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't >>> compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be >>> appreciated. >>> Thanks, >>> Patrick Molloy >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 >>> ************************************** >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Aug 17 03:33:49 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 23:33:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness a dying? In-Reply-To: References: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02288DC3@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com><000901cc5c23$d6064e50$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <23FC01DF2FE540B38CB8D60042B1BCB4@OwnerPC> Arielle, I'd like to read a little of his book even though I won't agree with Mr. Carroll. No, probably not all of it, but a little to hear straight from the source. Good post that seemed objective. I, too, have heard theories on adjustment to blindness. Yes such a loss theory does oversimplify the situation. But to me it makes some sense; although you are right that someone may get over the denial and depression if their family is supportive and encourages them to move on and get blindness skills. People cope with losses differently and as with any loss your environment and personal attitude helps you overcome such a loss. I've certainly met people going through vision loss and yes they are depressed a little bit. Imagine losing vision and knowing you will have to give up your driver's license? Can you imagine reading the paper or browsing magazines and then no longer being able to read the paper at breakfast or browse the news stand and magazine stand? These are two big losses for someone who had full vision or enough vision to function in a sighted manner. Yes we can get around; but public transit has a lot to be desired; and if you want to go out on weekends, well most buses do not run on weekends. Heck most buses stop running at mid evening. American society really does not make public transit a priority! We as a society favor the driver; so giving up those car keys is a huge loss. Then there is reading. Most books are not produced in alternative format; most newspapers are not accessible either. As someone who was legally blind for their life, I am used to these constraints. I never browsed the clothes rack or the news stand; I never picked up the local Journal or Gazette and read it. So for me, its life, nothing I've missed. But if you have RP and read or drove 20 years, I can understand that it’s a loss. Can you adapt and go on with life? Of course you can. But I can see why the loss is a prevalent theory. I know people who are going through vision loss due to RP or something and its hard. Even if they embrace learning new skills, its harder. For instance, some of them lack the finger sensativity to feel the braille dots; they can read slowly or they cannot read at all. Anyway, the staff at Carroll seemed up beat and nice. They gave the youth age appropriate experiences and an introduction to blindness sports and daily living. No one implied blindness was a bad thing to us students. I guess some staff members still hold that loss theory in their heads though; they certainly did not show it. Father Carroll founded it and died a long time ago. I'm not sure how much the center is the same now. There is certainly new staff and probably new ideas in the current center. No it its not NFB philosophy. Just saying they might have a more positive attitude and higher expectations than the founder did. Okay, I'll go get the book this week. Can't read all of it; I might get depressed. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:43 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness a dying? Hi all, Interesting. I didn't realize the founder of the Carroll Center was the same guy who wrote "Blindness: What it Is, What it Does and How to Live with It". I haven't actually read the book myself, but I have read other articles who have cited it, and in fact I read up quite a bit on Carroll's philosophy as part of a grant proposal I recently wrote. Fr. Carroll was one of several blindness rehab scholars in the 1960's and 1970's who advocated a "loss model" explaining how people adjust to blindness. These loss models postulate that losing one's eyesight is a lot like experiencing the death of a loved one and that people cope with it in similar fashion by going through various stages of grief, like denial, depression, anger and despair, before they eventually come to accept the loss and move forward. My understanding is that loss-model advocates generally believed people who lose their sight are not "ready" to begin getting training in alternative techniques until they have had time to process their sadness and grief. What is so unfortunate about these kinds of theories is that they imply everyone reacts to blindness in the same way, and that these negative emotional reactions are inevitable and will happen regardless of what rehab professionals or others (like family members, spouses, etc.) do. Luckily, more recently scholars in the field have noticed that not everyone who becomes blind experiences depression or grief and that some people actually do quite well with early training in alternative skills. Scholars have also begun to understand that the reactions of the important people in a blind person's life can play a huge role in determining how that blind person copes and that much of the depression, frustration, etc. that come from blindness actually come from other people's negative reactions, as well as the temporary sense of incompetence that comes from not knowing alternative skills. The problem with theories like Carroll's, I think, is that they assume blindness affects everyone equally. Of course many of us who lose vision experience temporary depression and grief, and of course even those of us who have been blind our whole lives have times when we hate blindness. But clearly not everyone reacts in the same way or finds their lives dominated by these negative feelings. It's similar to research we often see showing how blind children on average are deficient or delayed in all kinds of developmental areas. This may be true on average, but it's not true for all blind kids. These kinds of conclusions that focus on blind people as a group may be accurate, but they're oversimplified. They fail to account for all the factors that allow some of us to end up better-adjusted than others. What distinguishes newly blind folks who get depressed from those who don't? What separates blind kids who start crawling or walking on time from those who don't? These kinds of questions, I think, are rarely asked, but they're much more important than the questions that lump all blind people together, because they show us what controllable factors make real differences in our lives. If we don't ask these kinds of questions, we end up concluding that blindness is a kind of equal-opportunity buzzkill that will leave all of us maladjusted and unproductive regardless of what we do. And that's depressing! Arielle On 8/16/11, chris nusbaum wrote: > Hi Justin, > > Don't hold your breath for having a Federationist take over the > Carroll Center! Well, it may happen, but I don't see it happening > soon, as they've worked very closely with the AFB (I think) and a lot > of them still believe in what FR Carroll did. > > Chris > > On 8/16/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Hello Justin and everyone, >> >> You can read all about FR. Carroll's belief about blindness being a >> "Dying" in his book "Blindness: What it is, What it does,and How to Live >> With It." You should be able to get the book from NLS, Learning Allie, or >> Bookshare.org. I read it in the late 1970s and became totally depressed >> after reading three chapters of it. Dr. Jernigan quoted from it in his >> address: "Blindness Handicap or Characteristic." >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:42 AM >> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> >> >> I just want to summarize my view on the Carroll Center: >> >> If it's the only opportunity you have to get some skills that you don't >> already have, it can benefit you. If you have the opportunity to attend >> an >> NFB training center (or BISM, which Amy Phelps runs with an NFB >> philosophy), >> choose it over the Carroll Center 100 out of 100 times. >> >> I've never heard the "dying" thing about Father Carroll, but it does not >> surprise me. I would love to get a good Federationist to take over the >> management of the Carroll Center. >> >> Justin >> >> Justin M. Salisbury >> Undergraduate Student >> The University Honors Program >> East Carolina University >> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >> >> “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >> change >> the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org] >> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:00 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 >> >> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (David Dunphy) >> 2. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (Justin Young) >> 3. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Kirt Manwaring) >> 4. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Heather Field) >> 5. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >> (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> 6. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (chris nusbaum) >> 7. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> 8. announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: new email >> address for the business (chris nusbaum) >> 9. The Carroll Center for the Blind (Salisbury, Justin Mark) >> 10. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (David Dodge) >> 11. Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >> corrected link (Gabe Cazares) >> 12. AMerican Hero Dog Award (Beth) >> 13. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (Peter Donahue) >> 14. sending a message to all Gmail contacts? (chris nusbaum) >> 15. Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier >> (chris nusbaum) >> 16. Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. >> (chris nusbaum) >> 17. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (chris nusbaum) >> 18. Re: AMerican Hero Dog Award (chris nusbaum) >> 19. Re: Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move >> and a corrected link (chris nusbaum) >> 20. accessible iPod (Patrick Molloy) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:11:26 -0400 >> From: David Dunphy >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi Everybody! >> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >> nabslinkaudio.org. >> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >> spam, etc. >> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >> to a new provider. >> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >> online again. >> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >> said messages and no one else >> and >> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >> validated by the owner >> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >> once you see it! >> If you have any questions, please email me at >> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >> Thank you. >> >From David >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:29:42 -0400 >> From: Justin Young >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi David, >> >> No problem. I did three different programs. In the Summer of 2006 I >> did the Youth In Transition(YIT) program which is heavily focused upon >> daily living skills. There were classes from 8:45-3pm Mon-Fri. Then >> there was activities that you did clubs and stuff like that. Some >> were fun and some not really. You have the opportunity to do fencing, >> and other evening activities. Some of the evening ones were more >> arts/crafts style if I recall. Its hard to say with the >> extracurriculars cuz they changed ever year. The ones whichwere the >> same were Fencing, Sailing, shopping and others which I forget. The >> next Summer I did the Real World of Work Experience Program(RWWE) >> which was 5 weeks where the first week is doing the classes to make >> sure you can do all of it because like laundry you had to wait until >> after classes were over or on weekends as well. Once you begin >> working its great I must say. When I did it they selected a place for >> you and you were on the job site for Mon, Wed, Fri and Tues & Thu you >> went on Field Trips. Oh yes I forgot about those we went on those as >> well in YIT. They were to fun places, movies, golfing & stuff like >> that. For the RWWE program though on Thursdays we went on Work >> related field trips. Like once we went to the State House in Boston >> and tried to go to Cape Cod, but the van I was in broke down so >> couldn't do that one. There were still the activities in the >> afternoon and evening. I didn't really do the ones in the afternoon >> because I got back from work to late always. I worked at the Newton >> Welseley Hospital in the Receiving Department which was fun after I >> got a hand of what I was doing, the layout of the place and confidence >> that I could do it all. I delivered to depts mainly. For my Final >> Summer I and 4 others were involved in the pilot program of Transition >> To College(TTC) in the Summer of 2008. This program was 4 weeks where >> we did 2 at the Carroll Center like the YIT program and 2 at Boston >> College. The 2 weeks of the classes is to ensure we could do it while >> at BC. There was also a 2 week period before the program started for >> all in the program to do the Computing to College which is a computer >> program based in the Technology Center at the Carroll Center. I >> couldn't do this portion because I was finishing High School. While >> at BC we attended various seminars during the day and after I think >> 3pm it was we were free to do whatever we liked. We stayed in a dorm >> which was a suite style and had a supervisor in one of the 5 rooms >> with us. We were given each day $15 for food and had to give the >> supervisor all receipts of what we spent. We definitely got our >> exercise because our dorm was about a mile from the Education Building >> where our seminars took place. We went on a field trip or two I don't >> remember. I remember we went to either Boston University or one of >> the UMass schools. I and a few of the others in the program took the >> train to go places once or twice and a coffee shop was right on the >> edge of the college and not far from our dorm. So, I went there >> sometimes. >> >> It was a great three years full of making friends. The cons you >> asked? Hmm, well it really depends upon how you look at which program >> you are in. I would say that sometimes you were forced to do things >> you didn't really want to do which is why I really liked the BC >> living. I hope this helps you. >> >> Justin >> >> On 8/13/11, David Dodge wrote: >>> Justin, >>> Thanks for your e-mail. Clearly, you have a great deal of experience >>> with >>> the center. Can you tell me about the program you were in, what you >>> learned, >>> and how it helped you? Were there any cons to the center? Thanks so >>> much. >>> >>> David >>> ---------------------------------- >>> David Dodge >>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Justin Young wrote: >>> >>>> Hi David, >>>> >>>> I have experience with this center since I spent 3 consecutive summers >>>> at the Corroll Center. I would be happy to answer any questions you >>>> may have. >>>> >>>> Justin Young >>>> >>>> On 8/12/11, David Dodge wrote: >>>> > Hello Everyone, >>>> > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the >>>> > Blind >>>> in >>>> > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>>> center? >>>> > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >>>> > >>>> > David >>>> > ---------------------------------- >>>> > David Dodge >>>> > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>> > State University of New York Student Assembly >>>> > English Major >>>> > University at Buffalo >>>> > 306 Clemens Hall >>>> > Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>> > daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>>> > >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:52:23 -0600 >> From: Kirt Manwaring >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Peter, >> I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time >> using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their >> own, I guess. >> Warmly, >> Kirt >> >> On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Hello Joseph and everyone, >>> >>> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. >>> It >>> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access >>> for >>> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping >>> to >>> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio >>> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or >>> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: >>> http://www.blio.com >>> >>> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a >>> great >>> product. Now to add more books to our collection. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>> >>> >>> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be >>> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works >>> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* >>> >>> Joseph - kf7qzc >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>>>Listers, >>>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>Jan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> >>>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is >>>>free. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>> >>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>Behalf >>>> >>>>Of Anjelina >>>> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >>>> >>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>>>from >>>> >>>>paying the annual fee. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>> >>>>From: Marsha Drenth >>>> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >>>> >>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >>>> >>>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to >>>>use >>>> >>>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >>>> >>>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't >>>>use >>>> >>>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >>>> >>>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie >>>>books. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>signature >>>> >>>>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> >>>>nabs-l: >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >>>> >>>>com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Anjelina >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> >>>>nabs-l: >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>>> >>>>l.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:27:44 -0500 >> From: "Heather Field" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Hi Kurt, >> I downloaded Kindle for PC and then bought an ebook with speech enabled. >> However, I believe I still need an accessibility plugin or some such >> add-on >> to make it fully accessible. As you're having great success with using >> Kindle, can you please advise me as to what I need to do so I can read my >> ebook. >> >> Thanks so much. >> Heather >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kirt Manwaring >> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:52 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >> >> Peter, >> I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time >> using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their >> own, I guess. >> Warmly, >> Kirt >> >> On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Hello Joseph and everyone, >>> >>> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. >>> It >>> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access >>> for >>> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping >>> to >>> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio >>> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or >>> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: >>> http://www.blio.com >>> >>> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a >>> great >>> product. Now to add more books to our collection. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>> >>> >>> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be >>> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works >>> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* >>> >>> Joseph - kf7qzc >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>>>Listers, >>>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>Jan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> >>>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is >>>>free. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>> >>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>Behalf >>>> >>>>Of Anjelina >>>> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >>>> >>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>>>from >>>> >>>>paying the annual fee. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>> >>>>From: Marsha Drenth >>>> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >>>> >>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >>>> >>>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to >>>>use >>>> >>>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >>>> >>>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't >>>>use >>>> >>>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >>>> >>>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie >>>>books. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>signature >>>> >>>>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> >>>>nabs-l: >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >>>> >>>>com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Anjelina >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> >>>>nabs-l: >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>>> >>>>l.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/missheather%40comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:49:43 -0400 >> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >> Message-ID: <1DD7E36205204D098FAF6758FBF60CAC at OwnerPC> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Dunphy >> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >> >> Hi Everybody! >> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >> nabslinkaudio.org. >> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >> spam, etc. >> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >> to a new provider. >> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >> online again. >> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >> said messages and no one else >> and >> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >> validated by the owner >> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >> once you see it! >> If you have any questions, please email me at >> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >> Thank you. >> >From David >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:09:38 -0400 >> From: chris nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi David, >> >> Technical problems, technical problems! First, nabslinkaudio.org's Web >> hosting service motherboard fried, and I just got an email saying that >> AAR will be temporarily offline! Wow! I completely understand. Thanks >> for the update, and I look forward to listening to the meeting! >> >> Chris >> >> On 8/13/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David Dunphy >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> >>> Hi Everybody! >>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >>> nabslinkaudio.org. >>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >>> spam, etc. >>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >>> to a new provider. >>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >>> online again. >>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >>> said messages and no one else >>> and >>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >>> validated by the owner >>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >>> once you see it! >>> If you have any questions, please email me at >>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >>> Thank you. >>> >From David >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:00:54 -0400 >> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >> Message-ID: <94D3A84AC9CB48E483A5C87D966FF189 at OwnerPC> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; >> reply-type=original >> >> David, >> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation >> adult >> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational >> transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a >> short summer experience to comment on. >> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult >> program >> because I am thinking of going back for training. >> >> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. >> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it?s >> a >> shorter program since they have a new program called >> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the >> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I >> known >> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE >> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The >> teens >> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. >> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I >> was >> friends with the RWWE students though. >> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of >> field >> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and >> RWWE >> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. >> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each >> other >> since there was some overlap in experience. >> >> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living >> skills. >> Its like the youth version of the rehab program. >> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. >> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students >> had >> club activities and in the evening >> there were more activities and some of them were off campus. >> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class >> period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra >> curriculars >> and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already knew. I >> wonder >> if the adult program is more individualized with a good evaluation of >> skills before you learn skills in class. >> >> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, >> and >> information technology. In communication some students learned braille >> but >> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase >> a >> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. >> In >> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on >> cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and >> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found >> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained >> things. >> There was another student in my class. We made >> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had >> a >> lesson on putting on lipstick too. >> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and >> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. >> >> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and >> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the >> bus. >> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to >> Newton >> center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I >> had >> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. >> >> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was >> ten >> years ago! >> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay >> objects and painted them. >> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or >> goal >> ball. >> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to >> swim, >> but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping >> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. >> >> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually >> fun. >> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where >> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and >> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to >> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and >> museums. >> >> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student >> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision >> impaired. >> >> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Dodge >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >> >> Hello Everyone, >> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind >> in >> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >> center? >> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> State University of New York Student Assembly >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:28:47 -0400 >> From: chris nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> , Blind Talk Mailing List >> , >> "g List\" , \"nfbmd\" , >> \"nabs\" , \"maryland-l\" , >> \"Ross >> Hammond\" , \"alena roberts\"" >> >> Cc: Ariana Lipka , ariannas.art at gmail.com >> Subject: [nabs-l] announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: >> new email address for the business >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> I'd like to let everyone know of a new and exciting change in our >> painting business for the blind and sighted, Arianna's Art, Inc. We've >> just created an email account where you can send us questions, >> comments, suggestions, or any other information regarding our >> business. If you would like to advertise our product by displaying it >> at your next NFB, ACB, or any other meeting or event, or would like to >> advertise us in any other way, you can also contact us via this email. >> Our email address is ariannas.art at gmail.com. We're also trying to >> create an email list for people who would like to recieve >> announcements from us. In other words, if you specify that you would >> like to be added to our email list, we'll add your email address to >> our contacts list, and whenever we have a new announcement, we'll >> email it to you. If you'd like to recieve announcements from us, >> please leave us your name and email address at the above email. The >> email address once again is ariannas.art at gmail.com. Arianna has two >> n's and there's no apostrophe before the s. Hope to hear from you >> soon! >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:57:40 +0000 >> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" >> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> Message-ID: >> >> <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94 at SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >> with >> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >> >> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >> all >> of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, >> I >> highly recommend it. >> >> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >> Real >> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >> experience >> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >> that >> I >> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so >> I >> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >> use >> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >> but >> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >> I >> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >> the >> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >> all >> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >> visual field and acuity. >> >> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >> I >> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >> chosen. >> >> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence >> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >> devices, >> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we >> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >> students >> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities >> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >> saw >> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >> were >> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >> talk," >> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >> led >> to self-awareness and confidence building. >> >> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >> skills >> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >> by >> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >> responsible >> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >> had >> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >> they >> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at >> a >> distance while we were in the environment. >> >> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >> end >> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They >> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >> center >> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >> a >> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but >> it >> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >> dining >> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate >> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >> counter-clockwise direction. >> >> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >> it >> is not the very best option available. >> >> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >> >> Justin >> >> >> >> Justin M. Salisbury >> Undergraduate Student >> The University Honors Program >> East Carolina University >> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >> >> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >> change >> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:03:06 -0400 >> From: David Dodge >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Thanks so much. He is doing the Youth in Transition program and is >> interested in doing some other programs as well. Good to know you had >> very >> positive experiences. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> State University of New York Student Assembly >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM, wrote: >> >>> David, >>> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation >>> adult >>> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational >>> transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have >>> a >>> short summer experience to comment on. >>> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult >>> program >>> because I am thinking of going back for training. >>> >>> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. >>> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now >>> it?s >>> a >>> shorter program since they have a new program called >>> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the >>> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I >>> known >>> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE >>> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The >>> teens >>> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. >>> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I >>> was friends with the RWWE students though. >>> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of >>> field >>> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and >>> RWWE >>> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. >>> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each >>> other >>> since there was some overlap in experience. >>> >>> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living >>> skills. >>> Its like the youth version of the rehab program. >>> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. >>> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students >>> had club activities and in the evening >>> there were more activities and some of them were off campus. >>> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class >>> period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra >>> curriculars and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already >>> knew. I wonder if the adult program is more individualized with a good >>> evaluation of skills before you learn skills in class. >>> >>> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, >>> and >>> information technology. In communication some students learned braille >>> but >>> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to >>> erase >>> a >>> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. >>> In >>> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on >>> cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and >>> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found >>> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained >>> things. >>> There was another student in my class. We made >>> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We >>> had >>> a >>> lesson on putting on lipstick too. >>> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and >>> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. >>> >>> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing >>> and >>> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the >>> bus. >>> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to >>> Newton >>> center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I >>> had >>> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. >>> >>> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was >>> ten years ago! >>> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay >>> objects and painted them. >>> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or >>> goal >>> ball. >>> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to >>> swim, >>> but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping >>> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. >>> >>> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually >>> fun. >>> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where >>> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and >>> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us >>> to >>> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and >>> museums. >>> >>> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one >>> student >>> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision >>> impaired. >>> >>> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. >>> -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge >>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>> >>> Hello Everyone, >>> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind >>> in >>> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>> center? >>> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >>> >>> David >>> ------------------------------**---- >>> David Dodge >>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:59:07 -0500 >> From: Gabe Cazares >> To: members , tabs_students >> , nabs-l >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the >> move and a corrected link >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> FYI >> >> ...Gabe >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: David Andrews >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 >> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >> corrected >> link >> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >> >> >>> >>>Hello, >>> >>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >>>Ground >>>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >>>about >>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >>>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >>> >>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers >>> list >>>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >>>book >>>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >>>purchased >>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one >>>please >>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All >>>copies >>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >>> >>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >>>If >>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>>lessons around >>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at >>>bookstores. >>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >>>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to >>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before >>> Roselle >>>passed on June 26, 2011. >>> >>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that "Thunder >>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >>>The >>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind >>>convention >>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >>> >>>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated >>>as >>>a >>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane >>>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the >>> eight >>>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >>>problem. >>>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >>>and >>>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >>>Alma Mater. >>> >>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As always, >>>if >>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >>>looking >>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact >>>information. I hope all is well with you. >>> >>> >>>Best, >>> >>> >>>Mike Hingson >>> >>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >>> "Speaking with Vision" >>>Michael Hingson, President >>>(415) 827-4084 >>>info at michaelhingson.com >>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>>www.michaelhingson.com >>> >>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at >>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >>> >>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nfbnet-members-list mailing list >> Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >> >> >> >> -- >> Gabriel M. Cazares, >> 2nd Vice President >> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS >> (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) >> www.nfbtx.org/tabs >> Phone: 713-581-0619 >> "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest >> willing to let them." >> -Robert Frost >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:57:26 -0600 >> From: Beth >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award >> Message-ID: <4e47aa32.87cee70a.3a4e.ffffa021 at mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Hi, guys. >> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear >> of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for >> her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys >> have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog >> myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I >> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been >> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've >> heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in >> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all >> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. >> Thanks. >> Beth >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 13 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:08:02 -0500 >> From: "Peter Donahue" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> Message-ID: <003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43 at yourfsyly0jtwn> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >> Hello Justin and everyone, >> >> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll >> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw >> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What >> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >> "Dying." >> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >> need >> once and it will last you a life time. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> >> >> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >> with >> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >> >> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >> all >> of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, >> I >> highly recommend it. >> >> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >> Real >> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >> experience >> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >> that >> I >> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so >> I >> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >> use >> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >> but >> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >> I >> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >> the >> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >> all >> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >> visual field and acuity. >> >> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >> I >> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >> chosen. >> >> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence >> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >> devices, >> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we >> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >> students >> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities >> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >> saw >> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >> were >> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >> talk," >> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >> led >> to self-awareness and confidence building. >> >> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >> skills >> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >> by >> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >> responsible >> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >> had >> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >> they >> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at >> a >> distance while we were in the environment. >> >> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >> end >> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They >> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >> center >> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >> a >> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but >> it >> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >> dining >> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate >> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >> counter-clockwise direction. >> >> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >> it >> is not the very best option available. >> >> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >> >> Justin >> >> >> >> Justin M. Salisbury >> Undergraduate Student >> The University Honors Program >> East Carolina University >> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >> >> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >> change >> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 14 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:32:38 -0400 >> From: chris nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] sending a message to all Gmail contacts? >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> I have a question for all Gmail users. Is there a way that I can send >> a message to all Gmail contacts at the same time? Is there some kind >> of "send to all" button like there is on my mom's Yahoo account? I'm >> asking because, as I posted last night, our business (Arianna's Art, >> Inc.) has created a new Gmail account where people can send us >> questions, feedback, orders, etc. We'd also like to create a contacts >> list for our Gmail account, and send out an email to all our contacts >> when we have a new announcement or a piece of news. So, can I do this >> in Gmail without Google group? If I can't do this with JAWS in Basic >> HTML mode, I'll just create a list on Google Groups. But, can I send >> one message to all contacts? Thanks! >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 15 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:34:34 -0400 >> From: chris nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Blind Talk Mailing List >> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors >> flier >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" >> >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:38:39 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier >> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." >> >> >> *Employment Mentoring Project* >> >> *Seeking Professionals Who Are Blind * >> >> ** >> >> Remember the challenges you faced in finding your first job?? >> >> Would you like to help a college student who is also blind begin their >> career in a profession similar to yours?? >> >> We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with >> mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. >> >> *BENEFITS* >> >> ?Opportunity to mentor a college student who is blind and is interested >> in working in your profession >> >> ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community >> >> *RESPONSIBILITIES* >> >> ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after your mentee >> graduates >> >> ?Help your mentee develop career goals and offer opportunities for job >> shadowing >> >> ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month >> >> ?Complete online activities monthly >> >> ** >> >> *ELIGIBILITY* >> >> ?Legal blindness >> >> ?Currently employed or retired from a professional career >> >> ?Has basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility >> software/hardware needed to access online materials >> >> *INTERESTED?* >> >> ?*Complete the eligibility survey at >> *http://tiny.cc/mentor-professionals** >> >> ** >> >> ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State >> University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at >> rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: >> 1-800-675-7782 >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 16 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:37:04 -0400 >> From: chris nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> , Blind Talk Mailing List >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees >> flier. >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" >> >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:37:29 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. >> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." >> >> >> *Employment Mentoring Project* >> >> *For Students Who Are Legally Blind* >> >> ** >> >> Is finding a job your next big step after graduation?? >> >> Would you like the opportunity to work with a mentor who is also blind >> and has experience in your profession of interest?? >> >> We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with >> mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. >> >> *BENEFITS* >> >> ?Potential to work with a career mentor who is blind >> >> ?Access to career development resources >> >> ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community >> >> *RESPONSIBILITIES* >> >> ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after graduation >> >> ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month >> >> ?Complete online activities monthly >> >> ** >> >> *ELIGIBILITY* >> >> ?Undergraduate or graduate student, under age 35, who: >> >> oIs legally blind >> >> oPlans to graduate within 2-3 semesters after January 2012 >> >> oExpects to seek employment after graduation >> >> oHas basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility >> software/hardware needed to access online materials >> >> *INTERESTED?* >> >> ?*Complete eligibility survey online at *http://tiny.cc/mentor-students** >> >> ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State >> University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at >> rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: >> 1-800-675-7782 >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 17 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:50:16 -0400 >> From: chris nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! >> >> Chris >> >> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Hello Justin and everyone, >>> >>> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll >>> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >>> saw >>> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >>> What >>> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>> "Dying." >>> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>> need >>> once and it will last you a life time. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> >>> >>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >>> with >>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>> >>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >>> all >>> of the other students involved. If only considering the social >>> frontier, >>> I >>> highly recommend it. >>> >>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>> Real >>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>> experience >>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>> that >>> >>> I >>> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, >>> so >>> I >>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >>> use >>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >>> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >>> but >>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >>> I >>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>> the >>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >>> all >>> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >>> visual field and acuity. >>> >>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >>> I >>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>> chosen. >>> >>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >>> confidence >>> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>> devices, >>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >>> we >>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >>> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>> students >>> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >>> activities >>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >>> saw >>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>> were >>> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>> talk," >>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >>> led >>> to self-awareness and confidence building. >>> >>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>> skills >>> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >>> by >>> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>> responsible >>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>> had >>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >>> they >>> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us >>> at >>> a >>> distance while we were in the environment. >>> >>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >>> end >>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >>> They >>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>> center >>> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >>> a >>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >>> but >>> it >>> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>> dining >>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >>> navigate >>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>> counter-clockwise direction. >>> >>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >>> it >>> is not the very best option available. >>> >>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> >>> Justin M. Salisbury >>> Undergraduate Student >>> The University Honors Program >>> East Carolina University >>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> >>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 18 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:58:53 -0400 >> From: chris nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi Beth, >> >> Amen to that! I'm going to try on my PC, as the site was a little >> weird with my BrailleNote, so it may be better with JAWS. I have >> recently finished reading Thunder Dog (my friend picked a copy up for >> me at national convention, as I wasn't there... what a bad >> Federationist I am, *smiles) and it's a wonderfull story. You'll love >> it! Enjoy the book! >> >> Chris >> >> P.S. Does anybody know when the deadline for voting for Roselle is? >> Did Mike mention this in one of his emails, and I just didn't pay >> attention? >> >> On 8/14/11, Beth wrote: >>> Hi, guys. >>> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear >>> of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for >>> her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys >>> have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog >>> myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I >>> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been >>> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've >>> heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in >>> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all >>> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. >>> Thanks. >>> Beth >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 19 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:49:13 -0400 >> From: chris nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on >> the move and a corrected link >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi Gabe, >> >> Just FYI, you don't need to send emails to the NABS list if they come >> across as posted to the NFBnet-members list. When Dave Andrews posts >> something to the NFBnet-members or NFBnet-master lists, it goes to >> everybody who's on any NFBnet lists. This reduces Inbox clutter for >> people who are on multiple lists, as a message is sent to one list, >> then forwarded to another list on the same server as the first, then >> another, and another... well, you see what I mean. The other lists you >> posted it to hadn't seen the message before you sent it, though, >> because they're on different servers. Just letting you know! >> >> Chris >> >> On 8/13/11, Gabe Cazares wrote: >>> FYI >>> >>> ...Gabe >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: David Andrews >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 >>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >>> corrected >>> link >>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>>> >>>>Hello, >>>> >>>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >>>> Ground >>>>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >>>> about >>>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >>>>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >>>> >>>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers >>>>list >>>>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >>>> book >>>>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >>>> purchased >>>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one >>>> please >>>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All >>>> copies >>>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >>>> >>>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >>>> If >>>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>>>lessons around >>>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at >>>> bookstores. >>>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >>>>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful >>>>to >>>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before >>>>Roselle >>>>passed on June 26, 2011. >>>> >>>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that >>>>"Thunder >>>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >>>> The >>>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>>>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind >>>> convention >>>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >>>> >>>>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated >>>> as >>>> a >>>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American >>>>Humane >>>>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the >>>>eight >>>>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >>>> problem. >>>>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >>>> and >>>>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >>>>Alma Mater. >>>> >>>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As >>>>always, >>>> if >>>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >>>> looking >>>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and >>>>contact >>>>information. I hope all is well with you. >>>> >>>> >>>>Best, >>>> >>>> >>>>Mike Hingson >>>> >>>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >>>> "Speaking with Vision" >>>>Michael Hingson, President >>>>(415) 827-4084 >>>>info at michaelhingson.com >>>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>>>www.michaelhingson.com >>>> >>>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year >>>>at >>>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >>>> >>>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nfbnet-members-list mailing list >>> Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Gabriel M. Cazares, >>> 2nd Vice President >>> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS >>> (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) >>> www.nfbtx.org/tabs >>> Phone: 713-581-0619 >>> "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest >>> willing to let them." >>> -Robert Frost >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 20 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:25:30 -0400 >> From: Patrick Molloy >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hello everyone: >> I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds >> are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something >> to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more >> accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days? >> (I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't >> compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be >> appreciated. >> Thanks, >> Patrick Molloy >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 >> ************************************** >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu Wed Aug 17 16:05:47 2011 From: SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu (Salisbury, Justin Mark) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:05:47 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Visual vs. Non-Visual Training Message-ID: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA0228F01F@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> Dear Liz, et. al, The issue that I was bringing up about the Carroll Center and visual vs. non-visual techniques is that they always, always, always prioritized visual techniques and would only resort to non-visual techniques when they couldn't find a visual technique that they deemed effective for me. They taught me all of the cooking skills visually, but the visual techniques that they taught me for cooking are so exhausting that I can't use them without going to sleep right afterward. Thus, that bit of training was ineffective. I believe that, for any legally blind student at a blindness skills training center, that student needs to leave that program knowing at least one non-visual technique for every skill taught. Learning visual techniques is fine, but it is wrong to substitute visual techniques for non-visual techniques. If you are curious about my level of vision, I have tunnel vision and am legally blind because of my reduced visual field rather than significantly compromised acuity. I was fully sighted until just before my 16th birthday. I can read regular newspaper print if it lands in my tunnel. I can often identify people if they are in my tunnel, and I react accordingly if I do. I don't ignore clear visual cues that I get, but I never depend on my vision if I can help it. My understanding of why we are given the title "legally blind" is that our vision is compromised enough that it is not a dependable sense for us. Justin Justin M. Salisbury Undergraduate Student The University Honors Program East Carolina University salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD From SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu Wed Aug 17 16:58:39 2011 From: SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu (Salisbury, Justin Mark) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:58:39 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Father Carroll's Philosophy Message-ID: <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA0228F038@SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> Hi Arielle, et. al, I could not have put forth such a detailed analysis of Father Carroll's phillosophy. Upon reading it, it all comes back to me as if I had dreamed it long ago. The first thing I did besides beginnning to learn Braille with an itinerant teacher after losing my vision was go to a summer program at the Carroll Center. I experienced the response that Father Carroll postulated, and I cannot help but wonder if the reason that I experienced it was in large part because it was the expectation placed upon me by the staff at the Carroll Center, who I saw as the experts on blindness. I remember the phrase "loss model." I never thought about how much of my loss was because of the existence of the loss model. Justin Justin M. Salisbury Undergraduate Student The University Honors Program East Carolina University salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD ________________________________________ From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:55 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 20 Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to nabs-l at nfbnet.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org You can reach the person managing the list at nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Classes start Wednesday. (Joshua Lester) 2. Re: Classes start Wednesday. (Katie Wang) 3. Re: Classes start Wednesday. (Joshua Lester) 4. Re: Blindness a dying? (chris nusbaum) 5. Re: so far, a review of Thunder Dog (Aubrie Lucas) 6. Re: so far, a review of Thunder Dog (Hope Paulos) 7. Re: so far, a review of Thunder Dog (Beth) 8. [nabs] Fw: Benefit from HumanWare???s Back to School Specials! (Chris Nusbaum) 9. Re: [nabs] Fw: Benefit from HumanWare???s Back to School Specials! (Josh Gregory) 10. Re: Blindness a dying? (Arielle Silverman) 11. Re: Blindness a dying? (Joshua Lester) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:04:44 -0500 From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm not able to meet the instructor, in person. That's the problem. I'll try to E-mail him, but if he doesn't know me, it would be a waist of time. Blessings, Joshua On 8/16/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > I have never heard of "compressed video" class. I am familiar with online > classes, and hybred class, but not this one. I would imagine that you would > want to approach it as it were a online class. For example I will be taking > my second online class this semester, I have already met my professer in > person, and talked about the things I need that are different from those who > are sighted. I have also talked to my professor about the difficulties I > have with the online part of the class, but more its accessibility. > > 2cents worth, > Marsha > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 5:39 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Well, another semester of college is upon me. > I start back, this wednesday, at 2 PM, with Intermediate Algebra. > On thursday, I have American federal Government, and World literature 1. > I have American Federal Government, every tuesday, and thursday. > On tuesday night, I have Western Civilization 1, which is why I'm > telling you this. > This class would have been no problem, if the normal instructor was > teaching it, but it's now compressed video, (like my Sociology class, > from last semester.) > I hate compressed video, with a passion! > I've explained it in detail, last year. > Do any of you have a compressed video class, this year? > Last semester, it was a teacher that I've met, but this year, I don't > know this instructor, and he doesn't know me. > This will be a challenge for me, as a blind person, but I know i can > overcome it. > Any advice for dealing with a stranger, via compressed video? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmai > l.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6380 (20110815) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6380 (20110815) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:30:18 -0400 From: Katie Wang To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, Joshua, I have never heard of compressed video, but the fact that you aren't able to meet with the instructor in person may not be as big of a deal as you might think. Given that you have taken another course using this technology before, I assume that the video program is relatively accessible or that you have figured out a work-around to using the program? If trouble with hearing the instructor when he moves away from the microphone is the only problem you are expecting to encounter, just let him know this when you email him to introduce yourself and explain other accommodations (for test-taking, etc.) that you might need for the course. I imagine that he will be receptive-- This is not really a blindness-specific issue; after all, if he moves around so much that his voice is not picked up by the microphone, then your sighted classmates might have trouble hearing him as well. I often communicate with my professors via email about my need for accessible files and such prior to meeting them, and it typically works out well. Hope this helps and good luck! Katie On 8/16/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > I'm not able to meet the instructor, in person. > That's the problem. > I'll try to E-mail him, but if he doesn't know me, it would be a waist of > time. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/16/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> I have never heard of "compressed video" class. I am familiar with online >> classes, and hybred class, but not this one. I would imagine that you >> would >> want to approach it as it were a online class. For example I will be >> taking >> my second online class this semester, I have already met my professer in >> person, and talked about the things I need that are different from those >> who >> are sighted. I have also talked to my professor about the difficulties I >> have with the online part of the class, but more its accessibility. >> >> 2cents worth, >> Marsha >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 5:39 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. >> >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> Well, another semester of college is upon me. >> I start back, this wednesday, at 2 PM, with Intermediate Algebra. >> On thursday, I have American federal Government, and World literature 1. >> I have American Federal Government, every tuesday, and thursday. >> On tuesday night, I have Western Civilization 1, which is why I'm >> telling you this. >> This class would have been no problem, if the normal instructor was >> teaching it, but it's now compressed video, (like my Sociology class, >> from last semester.) >> I hate compressed video, with a passion! >> I've explained it in detail, last year. >> Do any of you have a compressed video class, this year? >> Last semester, it was a teacher that I've met, but this year, I don't >> know this instructor, and he doesn't know me. >> This will be a challenge for me, as a blind person, but I know i can >> overcome it. >> Any advice for dealing with a stranger, via compressed video? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmai >> l.com >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 6380 (20110815) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 6380 (20110815) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:59:21 -0500 From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks alot, Katie. Blessings, Joshua On 8/16/11, Katie Wang wrote: > Hi, Joshua, > I have never heard of compressed video, but the fact that you aren't > able to meet with the instructor in person may not be as big of a deal > as you might think. Given that you have taken another course using > this technology before, I assume that the video program is relatively > accessible or that you have figured out a work-around to using the > program? If trouble with hearing the instructor when he moves away > from the microphone is the only problem you are expecting to > encounter, just let him know this when you email him to introduce > yourself and explain other accommodations (for test-taking, etc.) that > you might need for the course. I imagine that he will be receptive-- > This is not really a blindness-specific issue; after all, if he moves > around so much that his voice is not picked up by the microphone, then > your sighted classmates might have trouble hearing him as well. I > often communicate with my professors via email about my need for > accessible files and such prior to meeting them, and it typically > works out well. Hope this helps and good luck! > Katie > > On 8/16/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I'm not able to meet the instructor, in person. >> That's the problem. >> I'll try to E-mail him, but if he doesn't know me, it would be a waist of >> time. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 8/16/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >>> I have never heard of "compressed video" class. I am familiar with online >>> classes, and hybred class, but not this one. I would imagine that you >>> would >>> want to approach it as it were a online class. For example I will be >>> taking >>> my second online class this semester, I have already met my professer in >>> person, and talked about the things I need that are different from those >>> who >>> are sighted. I have also talked to my professor about the difficulties I >>> have with the online part of the class, but more its accessibility. >>> >>> 2cents worth, >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 5:39 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. >>> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> Well, another semester of college is upon me. >>> I start back, this wednesday, at 2 PM, with Intermediate Algebra. >>> On thursday, I have American federal Government, and World literature 1. >>> I have American Federal Government, every tuesday, and thursday. >>> On tuesday night, I have Western Civilization 1, which is why I'm >>> telling you this. >>> This class would have been no problem, if the normal instructor was >>> teaching it, but it's now compressed video, (like my Sociology class, >>> from last semester.) >>> I hate compressed video, with a passion! >>> I've explained it in detail, last year. >>> Do any of you have a compressed video class, this year? >>> Last semester, it was a teacher that I've met, but this year, I don't >>> know this instructor, and he doesn't know me. >>> This will be a challenge for me, as a blind person, but I know i can >>> overcome it. >>> Any advice for dealing with a stranger, via compressed video? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmai >>> l.com >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 6380 (20110815) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 6380 (20110815) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:20:39 -0400 From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness a dying? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Justin, Don't hold your breath for having a Federationist take over the Carroll Center! Well, it may happen, but I don't see it happening soon, as they've worked very closely with the AFB (I think) and a lot of them still believe in what FR Carroll did. Chris On 8/16/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Justin and everyone, > > You can read all about FR. Carroll's belief about blindness being a > "Dying" in his book "Blindness: What it is, What it does,and How to Live > With It." You should be able to get the book from NLS, Learning Allie, or > Bookshare.org. I read it in the late 1970s and became totally depressed > after reading three chapters of it. Dr. Jernigan quoted from it in his > address: "Blindness Handicap or Characteristic." > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:42 AM > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > > > I just want to summarize my view on the Carroll Center: > > If it's the only opportunity you have to get some skills that you don't > already have, it can benefit you. If you have the opportunity to attend an > NFB training center (or BISM, which Amy Phelps runs with an NFB philosophy), > choose it over the Carroll Center 100 out of 100 times. > > I've never heard the "dying" thing about Father Carroll, but it does not > surprise me. I would love to get a good Federationist to take over the > management of the Carroll Center. > > Justin > > Justin M. Salisbury > Undergraduate Student > The University Honors Program > East Carolina University > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu > > ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change > the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD > > > ________________________________________ > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org] > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:00 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 > > Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (David Dunphy) > 2. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (Justin Young) > 3. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Kirt Manwaring) > 4. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Heather Field) > 5. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read > (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > 6. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (chris nusbaum) > 7. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > 8. announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: new email > address for the business (chris nusbaum) > 9. The Carroll Center for the Blind (Salisbury, Justin Mark) > 10. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (David Dodge) > 11. Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a > corrected link (Gabe Cazares) > 12. AMerican Hero Dog Award (Beth) > 13. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (Peter Donahue) > 14. sending a message to all Gmail contacts? (chris nusbaum) > 15. Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier > (chris nusbaum) > 16. Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. > (chris nusbaum) > 17. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (chris nusbaum) > 18. Re: AMerican Hero Dog Award (chris nusbaum) > 19. Re: Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move > and a corrected link (chris nusbaum) > 20. accessible iPod (Patrick Molloy) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:11:26 -0400 > From: David Dunphy > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Everybody! > I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the > convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it > is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting > provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some > files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but > our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I > had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye > nabslinkaudio.org. > So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting > home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and > spam, etc. > So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the > nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch > to a new provider. > During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you > know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. > You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back > online again. > Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet > service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect > the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement > text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already > mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: > 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their > numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get > said messages and no one else > and > 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a > concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be > validated by the owner > Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense > once you see it! > If you have any questions, please email me at > djdrocks4ever at gmail.com > Thank you. > >From David > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:29:42 -0400 > From: Justin Young > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi David, > > No problem. I did three different programs. In the Summer of 2006 I > did the Youth In Transition(YIT) program which is heavily focused upon > daily living skills. There were classes from 8:45-3pm Mon-Fri. Then > there was activities that you did clubs and stuff like that. Some > were fun and some not really. You have the opportunity to do fencing, > and other evening activities. Some of the evening ones were more > arts/crafts style if I recall. Its hard to say with the > extracurriculars cuz they changed ever year. The ones whichwere the > same were Fencing, Sailing, shopping and others which I forget. The > next Summer I did the Real World of Work Experience Program(RWWE) > which was 5 weeks where the first week is doing the classes to make > sure you can do all of it because like laundry you had to wait until > after classes were over or on weekends as well. Once you begin > working its great I must say. When I did it they selected a place for > you and you were on the job site for Mon, Wed, Fri and Tues & Thu you > went on Field Trips. Oh yes I forgot about those we went on those as > well in YIT. They were to fun places, movies, golfing & stuff like > that. For the RWWE program though on Thursdays we went on Work > related field trips. Like once we went to the State House in Boston > and tried to go to Cape Cod, but the van I was in broke down so > couldn't do that one. There were still the activities in the > afternoon and evening. I didn't really do the ones in the afternoon > because I got back from work to late always. I worked at the Newton > Welseley Hospital in the Receiving Department which was fun after I > got a hand of what I was doing, the layout of the place and confidence > that I could do it all. I delivered to depts mainly. For my Final > Summer I and 4 others were involved in the pilot program of Transition > To College(TTC) in the Summer of 2008. This program was 4 weeks where > we did 2 at the Carroll Center like the YIT program and 2 at Boston > College. The 2 weeks of the classes is to ensure we could do it while > at BC. There was also a 2 week period before the program started for > all in the program to do the Computing to College which is a computer > program based in the Technology Center at the Carroll Center. I > couldn't do this portion because I was finishing High School. While > at BC we attended various seminars during the day and after I think > 3pm it was we were free to do whatever we liked. We stayed in a dorm > which was a suite style and had a supervisor in one of the 5 rooms > with us. We were given each day $15 for food and had to give the > supervisor all receipts of what we spent. We definitely got our > exercise because our dorm was about a mile from the Education Building > where our seminars took place. We went on a field trip or two I don't > remember. I remember we went to either Boston University or one of > the UMass schools. I and a few of the others in the program took the > train to go places once or twice and a coffee shop was right on the > edge of the college and not far from our dorm. So, I went there > sometimes. > > It was a great three years full of making friends. The cons you > asked? Hmm, well it really depends upon how you look at which program > you are in. I would say that sometimes you were forced to do things > you didn't really want to do which is why I really liked the BC > living. I hope this helps you. > > Justin > > On 8/13/11, David Dodge wrote: >> Justin, >> Thanks for your e-mail. Clearly, you have a great deal of experience with >> the center. Can you tell me about the program you were in, what you >> learned, >> and how it helped you? Were there any cons to the center? Thanks so much. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> State University of New York Student Assembly >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Justin Young wrote: >> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> I have experience with this center since I spent 3 consecutive summers >>> at the Corroll Center. I would be happy to answer any questions you >>> may have. >>> >>> Justin Young >>> >>> On 8/12/11, David Dodge wrote: >>> > Hello Everyone, >>> > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind >>> in >>> > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>> center? >>> > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >>> > >>> > David >>> > ---------------------------------- >>> > David Dodge >>> > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> > State University of New York Student Assembly >>> > English Major >>> > University at Buffalo >>> > 306 Clemens Hall >>> > Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> > daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:52:23 -0600 > From: Kirt Manwaring > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Peter, > I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time > using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their > own, I guess. > Warmly, > Kirt > > On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Hello Joseph and everyone, >> >> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. It >> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access for >> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping >> to >> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio >> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or >> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: >> http://www.blio.com >> >> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a great >> product. Now to add more books to our collection. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "T. Joseph Carter" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be >> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works >> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* >> >> Joseph - kf7qzc >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>>Listers, >>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Jan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> >>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>> >>> >>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>> >>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>Behalf >>> >>>Of Anjelina >>> >>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >>> >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>> >>> >>> >>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>>from >>> >>>paying the annual fee. >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>> >>>From: Marsha Drenth >>> >>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >>> >>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>> >>> >>> >>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >>> >>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use >>> >>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >>> >>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >>> >>> >>> >>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use >>> >>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >>> >>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. >>> >>> >>> >>>Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>signature >>> >>>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >>> >>> >>> >>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> >>> >>>http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>> >>>nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >>>nabs-l: >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >>> >>>com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Anjelina >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>> >>>nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >>>nabs-l: >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>> >>>l.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>> >>>nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:27:44 -0500 > From: "Heather Field" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Kurt, > I downloaded Kindle for PC and then bought an ebook with speech enabled. > However, I believe I still need an accessibility plugin or some such add-on > to make it fully accessible. As you're having great success with using > Kindle, can you please advise me as to what I need to do so I can read my > ebook. > > Thanks so much. > Heather > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kirt Manwaring > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers > > Peter, > I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time > using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their > own, I guess. > Warmly, > Kirt > > On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Hello Joseph and everyone, >> >> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. It >> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access for >> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping >> to >> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio >> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or >> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: >> http://www.blio.com >> >> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a great >> product. Now to add more books to our collection. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "T. Joseph Carter" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be >> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works >> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* >> >> Joseph - kf7qzc >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>>Listers, >>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Jan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> >>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>> >>> >>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>> >>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>Behalf >>> >>>Of Anjelina >>> >>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >>> >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>> >>> >>> >>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>>from >>> >>>paying the annual fee. >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>> >>>From: Marsha Drenth >>> >>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >>> >>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>> >>> >>> >>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >>> >>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use >>> >>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >>> >>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >>> >>> >>> >>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use >>> >>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >>> >>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. >>> >>> >>> >>>Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>signature >>> >>>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >>> >>> >>> >>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> >>> >>>http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>> >>>nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >>>nabs-l: >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >>> >>>com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Anjelina >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>> >>>nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >>>nabs-l: >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>> >>>l.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>> >>>nabs-l mailing list >>> >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>> >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/missheather%40comcast.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:49:43 -0400 > From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read > Message-ID: <1DD7E36205204D098FAF6758FBF60CAC at OwnerPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Dunphy > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read > > Hi Everybody! > I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the > convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it > is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting > provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some > files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but > our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I > had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye > nabslinkaudio.org. > So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting > home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and > spam, etc. > So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the > nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch > to a new provider. > During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you > know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. > You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back > online again. > Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet > service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect > the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement > text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already > mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: > 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their > numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get > said messages and no one else > and > 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a > concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be > validated by the owner > Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense > once you see it! > If you have any questions, please email me at > djdrocks4ever at gmail.com > Thank you. > >From David > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:09:38 -0400 > From: chris nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi David, > > Technical problems, technical problems! First, nabslinkaudio.org's Web > hosting service motherboard fried, and I just got an email saying that > AAR will be temporarily offline! Wow! I completely understand. Thanks > for the update, and I look forward to listening to the meeting! > > Chris > > On 8/13/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Dunphy >> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >> >> Hi Everybody! >> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >> nabslinkaudio.org. >> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >> spam, etc. >> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >> to a new provider. >> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >> online again. >> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >> said messages and no one else >> and >> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >> validated by the owner >> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >> once you see it! >> If you have any questions, please email me at >> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >> Thank you. >> >From David >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:00:54 -0400 > From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? > Message-ID: <94D3A84AC9CB48E483A5C87D966FF189 at OwnerPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > David, > What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation adult > program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational > transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a > short summer experience to comment on. > I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult program > because I am thinking of going back for training. > > Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. > I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it?s a > shorter program since they have a new program called > Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the > students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I known > about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE > program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The teens > in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. > That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I was > friends with the RWWE students though. > In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of field > trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and RWWE > had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. > We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each other > since there was some overlap in experience. > > In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living skills. > Its like the youth version of the rehab program. > Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. > Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students had > club activities and in the evening > there were more activities and some of them were off campus. > In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class > period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra curriculars > and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already knew. I wonder > if the adult program is more individualized with a good evaluation of > skills before you learn skills in class. > > Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, and > information technology. In communication some students learned braille but > I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase a > tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. In > personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on > cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and > spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found > Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained things. > There was another student in my class. We made > cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had a > lesson on putting on lipstick too. > Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and > bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. > > IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and > went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the bus. > I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to Newton > center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I had > practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. > > The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was ten > years ago! > I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay > objects and painted them. > I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or goal > ball. > On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to swim, > but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping > night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. > > We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually fun. > I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where > they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and > outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to > know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and museums. > > I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student > who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision > impaired. > > I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. > -----Original Message----- > From: David Dodge > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? > > Hello Everyone, > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind in > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific center? > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:28:47 -0400 > From: chris nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > , Blind Talk Mailing List > , > "g List\" , \"nfbmd\" , > \"nabs\" , \"maryland-l\" , > \"Ross > Hammond\" , \"alena roberts\"" > > Cc: Ariana Lipka , ariannas.art at gmail.com > Subject: [nabs-l] announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: > new email address for the business > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Hi everyone, > > I'd like to let everyone know of a new and exciting change in our > painting business for the blind and sighted, Arianna's Art, Inc. We've > just created an email account where you can send us questions, > comments, suggestions, or any other information regarding our > business. If you would like to advertise our product by displaying it > at your next NFB, ACB, or any other meeting or event, or would like to > advertise us in any other way, you can also contact us via this email. > Our email address is ariannas.art at gmail.com. We're also trying to > create an email list for people who would like to recieve > announcements from us. In other words, if you specify that you would > like to be added to our email list, we'll add your email address to > our contacts list, and whenever we have a new announcement, we'll > email it to you. If you'd like to recieve announcements from us, > please leave us your name and email address at the above email. The > email address once again is ariannas.art at gmail.com. Arianna has two > n's and there's no apostrophe before the s. Hope to hear from you > soon! > > Chris > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:57:40 +0000 > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" > To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > Message-ID: > > <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94 at SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers with > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. > > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with all > of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, I > highly recommend it. > > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the experience > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that I > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so I > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to use > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, but > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn all > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable > visual field and acuity. > > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have > chosen. > > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, > and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other students > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also saw > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we were > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people talk," > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often led > to self-awareness and confidence building. > > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were responsible > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so they > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at a > distance while we were in the environment. > > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the end > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training center > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but it > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the dining > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or > counter-clockwise direction. > > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but it > is not the very best option available. > > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. > > Justin > > > > Justin M. Salisbury > Undergraduate Student > The University Honors Program > East Carolina University > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu > > ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change > the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:03:06 -0400 > From: David Dodge > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Thanks so much. He is doing the Youth in Transition program and is > interested in doing some other programs as well. Good to know you had very > positive experiences. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM, wrote: > >> David, >> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation adult >> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational >> transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a >> short summer experience to comment on. >> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult >> program >> because I am thinking of going back for training. >> >> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. >> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it?s >> a >> shorter program since they have a new program called >> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the >> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I >> known >> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE >> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The teens >> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. >> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I >> was friends with the RWWE students though. >> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of >> field >> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and RWWE >> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. >> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each other >> since there was some overlap in experience. >> >> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living >> skills. >> Its like the youth version of the rehab program. >> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. >> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students >> had club activities and in the evening >> there were more activities and some of them were off campus. >> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class >> period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra >> curriculars and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already >> knew. I wonder if the adult program is more individualized with a good >> evaluation of skills before you learn skills in class. >> >> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, and >> information technology. In communication some students learned braille >> but >> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase >> a >> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. >> In >> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on >> cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and >> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found >> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained things. >> There was another student in my class. We made >> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had >> a >> lesson on putting on lipstick too. >> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and >> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. >> >> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and >> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the >> bus. >> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to >> Newton >> center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I had >> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. >> >> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was >> ten years ago! >> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay >> objects and painted them. >> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or >> goal >> ball. >> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to swim, >> but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping >> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. >> >> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually fun. >> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where >> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and >> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to >> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and >> museums. >> >> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student >> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision >> impaired. >> >> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. >> -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >> >> Hello Everyone, >> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind in >> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >> center? >> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >> >> David >> ------------------------------**---- >> David Dodge >> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> State University of New York Student Assembly >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:59:07 -0500 > From: Gabe Cazares > To: members , tabs_students > , nabs-l > Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the > move and a corrected link > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > FYI > > ...Gabe > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Andrews > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 > Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a corrected > link > To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > > >> >>Hello, >> >>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >>Ground >>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >>about >>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >> >>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers list >>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >>book >>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >>purchased >>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one please >>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All copies >>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >> >>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >>If >>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>lessons around >>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at bookstores. >>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to >>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before Roselle >>passed on June 26, 2011. >> >>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that "Thunder >>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >>The >>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind convention >>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >> >>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated as >>a >>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane >>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the eight >>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >>problem. >>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >>and >>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >>Alma Mater. >> >>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As always, >>if >>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >>looking >>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact >>information. I hope all is well with you. >> >> >>Best, >> >> >>Mike Hingson >> >>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >> "Speaking with Vision" >>Michael Hingson, President >>(415) 827-4084 >>info at michaelhingson.com >>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>www.michaelhingson.com >> >>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at >>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >> >>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Nfbnet-members-list mailing list > Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > > > > -- > Gabriel M. Cazares, > 2nd Vice President > Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS > (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) > www.nfbtx.org/tabs > Phone: 713-581-0619 > "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest > willing to let them." > -Robert Frost > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:57:26 -0600 > From: Beth > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award > Message-ID: <4e47aa32.87cee70a.3a4e.ffffa021 at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi, guys. > I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear > of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for > her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys > have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog > myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I > have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been > thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've > heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in > portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all > vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. > Thanks. > Beth > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:08:02 -0500 > From: "Peter Donahue" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > Message-ID: <003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43 at yourfsyly0jtwn> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Hello Justin and everyone, > > For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll > Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw > the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What > can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a "Dying." > If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you need > once and it will last you a life time. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > > > I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers with > Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. > > Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an > underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with all > of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, I > highly recommend it. > > I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real > World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the experience > both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that I > now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so I > was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to use > my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my > remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything > non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M > lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, but > blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I > am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the > Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn all > of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable > visual field and acuity. > > I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I > went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have > chosen. > > In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence > and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do > laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, > and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us > about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we > already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest > modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called > adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other students > with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities > and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also saw > a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we were > adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people talk," > was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often led > to self-awareness and confidence building. > > In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills > for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we > worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by > the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and > training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students > were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were responsible > for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had > two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so they > weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at a > distance while we were in the environment. > > At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the end > of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They > spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an > aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They > studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training center > would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a > dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but it > does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the dining > hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate > the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or > counter-clockwise direction. > > The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but it > is not the very best option available. > > I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. > > Justin > > > > Justin M. Salisbury > Undergraduate Student > The University Honors Program > East Carolina University > salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu > > ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change > the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:32:38 -0400 > From: chris nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [nabs-l] sending a message to all Gmail contacts? > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi everyone, > > I have a question for all Gmail users. Is there a way that I can send > a message to all Gmail contacts at the same time? Is there some kind > of "send to all" button like there is on my mom's Yahoo account? I'm > asking because, as I posted last night, our business (Arianna's Art, > Inc.) has created a new Gmail account where people can send us > questions, feedback, orders, etc. We'd also like to create a contacts > list for our Gmail account, and send out an email to all our contacts > when we have a new announcement or a piece of news. So, can I do this > in Gmail without Google group? If I can't do this with JAWS in Basic > HTML mode, I'll just create a list on Google Groups. But, can I send > one message to all contacts? Thanks! > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:34:34 -0400 > From: chris nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Blind Talk Mailing List > Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors > flier > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" > > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:38:39 -0500 > Subject: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier > To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." > > > *Employment Mentoring Project* > > *Seeking Professionals Who Are Blind * > > ** > > Remember the challenges you faced in finding your first job?? > > Would you like to help a college student who is also blind begin their > career in a profession similar to yours?? > > We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with > mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. > > *BENEFITS* > > ?Opportunity to mentor a college student who is blind and is interested > in working in your profession > > ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community > > *RESPONSIBILITIES* > > ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after your mentee > graduates > > ?Help your mentee develop career goals and offer opportunities for job > shadowing > > ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month > > ?Complete online activities monthly > > ** > > *ELIGIBILITY* > > ?Legal blindness > > ?Currently employed or retired from a professional career > > ?Has basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility > software/hardware needed to access online materials > > *INTERESTED?* > > ?*Complete the eligibility survey at *http://tiny.cc/mentor-professionals** > > ** > > ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State > University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at > rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: > 1-800-675-7782 > > > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:37:04 -0400 > From: chris nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > , Blind Talk Mailing List > > Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees > flier. > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" > > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:37:29 -0500 > Subject: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. > To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." > > > *Employment Mentoring Project* > > *For Students Who Are Legally Blind* > > ** > > Is finding a job your next big step after graduation?? > > Would you like the opportunity to work with a mentor who is also blind > and has experience in your profession of interest?? > > We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with > mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. > > *BENEFITS* > > ?Potential to work with a career mentor who is blind > > ?Access to career development resources > > ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community > > *RESPONSIBILITIES* > > ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after graduation > > ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month > > ?Complete online activities monthly > > ** > > *ELIGIBILITY* > > ?Undergraduate or graduate student, under age 35, who: > > oIs legally blind > > oPlans to graduate within 2-3 semesters after January 2012 > > oExpects to seek employment after graduation > > oHas basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility > software/hardware needed to access online materials > > *INTERESTED?* > > ?*Complete eligibility survey online at *http://tiny.cc/mentor-students** > > ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State > University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at > rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: > 1-800-675-7782 > > > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:50:16 -0400 > From: chris nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Hi everyone, > > This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to > start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about > attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend > BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, > from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center > next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, > Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought > were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each > program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences > in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely > be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm > going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into > 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! > > Chris > > On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Hello Justin and everyone, >> >> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll >> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw >> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What >> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a "Dying." >> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you need >> once and it will last you a life time. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> >> >> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >> with >> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >> >> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >> all >> of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, >> I >> highly recommend it. >> >> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real >> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >> experience >> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that >> >> I >> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so >> I >> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >> use >> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >> but >> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I >> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the >> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >> all >> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >> visual field and acuity. >> >> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I >> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >> chosen. >> >> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence >> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, >> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we >> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >> students >> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities >> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >> saw >> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >> were >> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >> talk," >> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >> led >> to self-awareness and confidence building. >> >> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills >> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by >> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >> responsible >> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had >> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >> they >> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at >> a >> distance while we were in the environment. >> >> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >> end >> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They >> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >> center >> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a >> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but >> it >> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >> dining >> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate >> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >> counter-clockwise direction. >> >> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >> it >> is not the very best option available. >> >> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >> >> Justin >> >> >> >> Justin M. Salisbury >> Undergraduate Student >> The University Honors Program >> East Carolina University >> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >> >> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >> change >> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:58:53 -0400 > From: chris nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Beth, > > Amen to that! I'm going to try on my PC, as the site was a little > weird with my BrailleNote, so it may be better with JAWS. I have > recently finished reading Thunder Dog (my friend picked a copy up for > me at national convention, as I wasn't there... what a bad > Federationist I am, *smiles) and it's a wonderfull story. You'll love > it! Enjoy the book! > > Chris > > P.S. Does anybody know when the deadline for voting for Roselle is? > Did Mike mention this in one of his emails, and I just didn't pay > attention? > > On 8/14/11, Beth wrote: >> Hi, guys. >> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear >> of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for >> her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys >> have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog >> myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I >> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been >> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've >> heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in >> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all >> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. >> Thanks. >> Beth >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:49:13 -0400 > From: chris nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on > the move and a corrected link > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Gabe, > > Just FYI, you don't need to send emails to the NABS list if they come > across as posted to the NFBnet-members list. When Dave Andrews posts > something to the NFBnet-members or NFBnet-master lists, it goes to > everybody who's on any NFBnet lists. This reduces Inbox clutter for > people who are on multiple lists, as a message is sent to one list, > then forwarded to another list on the same server as the first, then > another, and another... well, you see what I mean. The other lists you > posted it to hadn't seen the message before you sent it, though, > because they're on different servers. Just letting you know! > > Chris > > On 8/13/11, Gabe Cazares wrote: >> FYI >> >> ...Gabe >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: David Andrews >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 >> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >> corrected >> link >> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >> >> >>> >>>Hello, >>> >>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >>> Ground >>>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >>> about >>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >>>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >>> >>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers >>>list >>>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >>> book >>>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >>> purchased >>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one please >>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All copies >>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >>> >>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >>> If >>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>>lessons around >>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at bookstores. >>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >>>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to >>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before >>>Roselle >>>passed on June 26, 2011. >>> >>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that "Thunder >>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >>> The >>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind convention >>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >>> >>>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated as >>> a >>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane >>>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the >>>eight >>>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >>> problem. >>>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >>> and >>>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >>>Alma Mater. >>> >>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As always, >>> if >>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >>> looking >>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact >>>information. I hope all is well with you. >>> >>> >>>Best, >>> >>> >>>Mike Hingson >>> >>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >>> "Speaking with Vision" >>>Michael Hingson, President >>>(415) 827-4084 >>>info at michaelhingson.com >>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>>www.michaelhingson.com >>> >>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at >>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >>> >>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nfbnet-members-list mailing list >> Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >> >> >> >> -- >> Gabriel M. Cazares, >> 2nd Vice President >> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS >> (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) >> www.nfbtx.org/tabs >> Phone: 713-581-0619 >> "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest >> willing to let them." >> -Robert Frost >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:25:30 -0400 > From: Patrick Molloy > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello everyone: > I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds > are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something > to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more > accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days? > (I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't > compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be > appreciated. > Thanks, > Patrick Molloy > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 > ************************************** > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:30:48 -0800 From: "Aubrie Lucas" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog Message-ID: <002e01cc5c64$276a3aa0$763eafe0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" And it's only about two hundred pages. Nice and concise. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 5:20 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog sounds like a good book then. I wasn't aware it covered early parts of his life. I'll get the book too. -----Original Message----- From: Beth Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog It focuses on all aspects of his life, and how he ended up with Roselle. The book chapters focus on how he overcame the adjustment phase of blindness. It's basically a biography with the story of how he and Roselle got out of the twin towers and World Trade Center alive. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Where can i obtain the book? Sent from my iPod On Aug 16, 2011, at 6:30 PM, "Aubrie Lucas" wrote: > And it's only about two hundred pages. Nice and concise. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of bookwormahb at earthlink.net > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 5:20 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog > > sounds like a good book then. I wasn't aware it covered early parts of his > life. > I'll get the book too. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog > > It focuses on all aspects of his life, and how he ended up with > Roselle. The book chapters focus on how he overcame the > adjustment phase of blindness. It's basically a biography with > the story of how he and Roselle got out of the twin towers and > World Trade Center alive. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:01:54 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog > > So long is the book and what part of his life does it focus on? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Beth > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:07 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog > > Hi, all. > Here's what I think of Thunder Dog so far. Let's just say > this is a great story. There's a lot of great topics overed > by the author in the story. I haven't finished the book > yet, but so far, it seems as though Michael and Roselle are > the perfect pair for the time they are stuck in at the > portion of the book I'm in. You guys were right. It's a > wonderful story, but I haven't even reached the book's end. > Look for a full review after I've read the book. > Also, don't forget to vote. > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma > hb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > sloose%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl > ink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aubielynn%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:30:42 -0600 From: Beth To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog Message-ID: <4e4b0bd3.0b30e70a.2f11.0a7d at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed You can obtain the book from Michael's website, I found it on Bookshare if you're a member, and then you can also get it from Amazon I think. There are many ways you can get the book. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Hope Paulos wrote: And it's only about two hundred pages. Nice and concise. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 5:20 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog sounds like a good book then. I wasn't aware it covered early parts of his life. I'll get the book too. -----Original Message----- From: Beth Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] so far, a review of Thunder Dog It focuses on all aspects of his life, and how he ended up with Roselle. The book chapters focus on how he overcame the adjustment phase of blindness. It's basically a biography with the story of how he and Roselle got out of the twin towers and World Trade Center alive. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: To: NABS list , Nathan Clark , Mrs. Otwell Subject: [nabs-l] [nabs] Fw: Benefit from HumanWare???s Back to School Specials! Message-ID: <4e4b0f84.c36a340a.7738.32a6 at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR; format=flowed ---- Original Message ------ From: "Dornetta" To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [nabs] Fw: Benefit from HumanWare???s Back to School Specials! Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 We already got this and this is the second or third time, hth. Sent from my iPod Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com Skype: joshgregory93 On Aug 16, 2554 BE, at 8:46 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > > > ---- Original Message ------ > From: "Dornetta" Subject: [nabs] Fw: Benefit from HumanWare?s Back to School Specials! > Date sent: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 16:35:30 -0400 > > Just thought I'd share. My VR Stream has went to the graveyard so I am > looking to purchase another and wanted to share this with my fellow > students. :-) > Netta > "Just because you are blind, does not mean you lack vision"-Stevie Wonder > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "HumanWare" To: Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 3:35 PM > Subject: Benefit from HumanWare?s Back to School Specials! > > > Victor Reader Stream Digital Book Player with FREE SoftPak > (allows docx, mp3 recording, iTunes audio playback) > > Free shipping for online purchases! > Buy Now: > http://visit.humanware.com/e/3332/uct-stockcode-vrs-free-softpak/ > 7WIB4/240489352 > > Trekker Breeze Talking GPS FREE U.S.A. 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These offer end September 30. > Unsubscribe > http://visit.humanware.com/unsubscribe/u/3332/8efac8746c4d1e70cfc > f85fb3de757ba/240489352 > from our newsletter. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs mailing list > nabs at acb.org > http://www.acb.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:43:34 -0600 From: Arielle Silverman To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness a dying? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi all, Interesting. I didn't realize the founder of the Carroll Center was the same guy who wrote "Blindness: What it Is, What it Does and How to Live with It". I haven't actually read the book myself, but I have read other articles who have cited it, and in fact I read up quite a bit on Carroll's philosophy as part of a grant proposal I recently wrote. Fr. Carroll was one of several blindness rehab scholars in the 1960's and 1970's who advocated a "loss model" explaining how people adjust to blindness. These loss models postulate that losing one's eyesight is a lot like experiencing the death of a loved one and that people cope with it in similar fashion by going through various stages of grief, like denial, depression, anger and despair, before they eventually come to accept the loss and move forward. My understanding is that loss-model advocates generally believed people who lose their sight are not "ready" to begin getting training in alternative techniques until they have had time to process their sadness and grief. What is so unfortunate about these kinds of theories is that they imply everyone reacts to blindness in the same way, and that these negative emotional reactions are inevitable and will happen regardless of what rehab professionals or others (like family members, spouses, etc.) do. Luckily, more recently scholars in the field have noticed that not everyone who becomes blind experiences depression or grief and that some people actually do quite well with early training in alternative skills. Scholars have also begun to understand that the reactions of the important people in a blind person's life can play a huge role in determining how that blind person copes and that much of the depression, frustration, etc. that come from blindness actually come from other people's negative reactions, as well as the temporary sense of incompetence that comes from not knowing alternative skills. The problem with theories like Carroll's, I think, is that they assume blindness affects everyone equally. Of course many of us who lose vision experience temporary depression and grief, and of course even those of us who have been blind our whole lives have times when we hate blindness. But clearly not everyone reacts in the same way or finds their lives dominated by these negative feelings. It's similar to research we often see showing how blind children on average are deficient or delayed in all kinds of developmental areas. This may be true on average, but it's not true for all blind kids. These kinds of conclusions that focus on blind people as a group may be accurate, but they're oversimplified. They fail to account for all the factors that allow some of us to end up better-adjusted than others. What distinguishes newly blind folks who get depressed from those who don't? What separates blind kids who start crawling or walking on time from those who don't? These kinds of questions, I think, are rarely asked, but they're much more important than the questions that lump all blind people together, because they show us what controllable factors make real differences in our lives. If we don't ask these kinds of questions, we end up concluding that blindness is a kind of equal-opportunity buzzkill that will leave all of us maladjusted and unproductive regardless of what we do. And that's depressing! Arielle On 8/16/11, chris nusbaum wrote: > Hi Justin, > > Don't hold your breath for having a Federationist take over the > Carroll Center! Well, it may happen, but I don't see it happening > soon, as they've worked very closely with the AFB (I think) and a lot > of them still believe in what FR Carroll did. > > Chris > > On 8/16/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Hello Justin and everyone, >> >> You can read all about FR. Carroll's belief about blindness being a >> "Dying" in his book "Blindness: What it is, What it does,and How to Live >> With It." You should be able to get the book from NLS, Learning Allie, or >> Bookshare.org. I read it in the late 1970s and became totally depressed >> after reading three chapters of it. Dr. Jernigan quoted from it in his >> address: "Blindness Handicap or Characteristic." >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:42 AM >> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> >> >> I just want to summarize my view on the Carroll Center: >> >> If it's the only opportunity you have to get some skills that you don't >> already have, it can benefit you. If you have the opportunity to attend >> an >> NFB training center (or BISM, which Amy Phelps runs with an NFB >> philosophy), >> choose it over the Carroll Center 100 out of 100 times. >> >> I've never heard the "dying" thing about Father Carroll, but it does not >> surprise me. I would love to get a good Federationist to take over the >> management of the Carroll Center. >> >> Justin >> >> Justin M. Salisbury >> Undergraduate Student >> The University Honors Program >> East Carolina University >> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >> >> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >> change >> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org] >> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:00 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 >> >> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (David Dunphy) >> 2. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (Justin Young) >> 3. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Kirt Manwaring) >> 4. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Heather Field) >> 5. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >> (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> 6. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (chris nusbaum) >> 7. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> 8. announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: new email >> address for the business (chris nusbaum) >> 9. The Carroll Center for the Blind (Salisbury, Justin Mark) >> 10. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (David Dodge) >> 11. Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >> corrected link (Gabe Cazares) >> 12. AMerican Hero Dog Award (Beth) >> 13. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (Peter Donahue) >> 14. sending a message to all Gmail contacts? (chris nusbaum) >> 15. Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier >> (chris nusbaum) >> 16. Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. >> (chris nusbaum) >> 17. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (chris nusbaum) >> 18. Re: AMerican Hero Dog Award (chris nusbaum) >> 19. Re: Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move >> and a corrected link (chris nusbaum) >> 20. accessible iPod (Patrick Molloy) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:11:26 -0400 >> From: David Dunphy >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi Everybody! >> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >> nabslinkaudio.org. >> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >> spam, etc. >> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >> to a new provider. >> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >> online again. >> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >> said messages and no one else >> and >> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >> validated by the owner >> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >> once you see it! >> If you have any questions, please email me at >> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >> Thank you. >> >From David >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:29:42 -0400 >> From: Justin Young >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi David, >> >> No problem. I did three different programs. In the Summer of 2006 I >> did the Youth In Transition(YIT) program which is heavily focused upon >> daily living skills. There were classes from 8:45-3pm Mon-Fri. Then >> there was activities that you did clubs and stuff like that. Some >> were fun and some not really. You have the opportunity to do fencing, >> and other evening activities. Some of the evening ones were more >> arts/crafts style if I recall. Its hard to say with the >> extracurriculars cuz they changed ever year. The ones whichwere the >> same were Fencing, Sailing, shopping and others which I forget. The >> next Summer I did the Real World of Work Experience Program(RWWE) >> which was 5 weeks where the first week is doing the classes to make >> sure you can do all of it because like laundry you had to wait until >> after classes were over or on weekends as well. Once you begin >> working its great I must say. When I did it they selected a place for >> you and you were on the job site for Mon, Wed, Fri and Tues & Thu you >> went on Field Trips. Oh yes I forgot about those we went on those as >> well in YIT. They were to fun places, movies, golfing & stuff like >> that. For the RWWE program though on Thursdays we went on Work >> related field trips. Like once we went to the State House in Boston >> and tried to go to Cape Cod, but the van I was in broke down so >> couldn't do that one. There were still the activities in the >> afternoon and evening. I didn't really do the ones in the afternoon >> because I got back from work to late always. I worked at the Newton >> Welseley Hospital in the Receiving Department which was fun after I >> got a hand of what I was doing, the layout of the place and confidence >> that I could do it all. I delivered to depts mainly. For my Final >> Summer I and 4 others were involved in the pilot program of Transition >> To College(TTC) in the Summer of 2008. This program was 4 weeks where >> we did 2 at the Carroll Center like the YIT program and 2 at Boston >> College. The 2 weeks of the classes is to ensure we could do it while >> at BC. There was also a 2 week period before the program started for >> all in the program to do the Computing to College which is a computer >> program based in the Technology Center at the Carroll Center. I >> couldn't do this portion because I was finishing High School. While >> at BC we attended various seminars during the day and after I think >> 3pm it was we were free to do whatever we liked. We stayed in a dorm >> which was a suite style and had a supervisor in one of the 5 rooms >> with us. We were given each day $15 for food and had to give the >> supervisor all receipts of what we spent. We definitely got our >> exercise because our dorm was about a mile from the Education Building >> where our seminars took place. We went on a field trip or two I don't >> remember. I remember we went to either Boston University or one of >> the UMass schools. I and a few of the others in the program took the >> train to go places once or twice and a coffee shop was right on the >> edge of the college and not far from our dorm. So, I went there >> sometimes. >> >> It was a great three years full of making friends. The cons you >> asked? Hmm, well it really depends upon how you look at which program >> you are in. I would say that sometimes you were forced to do things >> you didn't really want to do which is why I really liked the BC >> living. I hope this helps you. >> >> Justin >> >> On 8/13/11, David Dodge wrote: >>> Justin, >>> Thanks for your e-mail. Clearly, you have a great deal of experience with >>> the center. Can you tell me about the program you were in, what you >>> learned, >>> and how it helped you? Were there any cons to the center? Thanks so much. >>> >>> David >>> ---------------------------------- >>> David Dodge >>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Justin Young wrote: >>> >>>> Hi David, >>>> >>>> I have experience with this center since I spent 3 consecutive summers >>>> at the Corroll Center. I would be happy to answer any questions you >>>> may have. >>>> >>>> Justin Young >>>> >>>> On 8/12/11, David Dodge wrote: >>>> > Hello Everyone, >>>> > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the >>>> > Blind >>>> in >>>> > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>>> center? >>>> > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >>>> > >>>> > David >>>> > ---------------------------------- >>>> > David Dodge >>>> > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>> > State University of New York Student Assembly >>>> > English Major >>>> > University at Buffalo >>>> > 306 Clemens Hall >>>> > Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>> > daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>>> > >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:52:23 -0600 >> From: Kirt Manwaring >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Peter, >> I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time >> using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their >> own, I guess. >> Warmly, >> Kirt >> >> On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Hello Joseph and everyone, >>> >>> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. >>> It >>> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access for >>> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping >>> to >>> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio >>> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or >>> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: >>> http://www.blio.com >>> >>> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a >>> great >>> product. Now to add more books to our collection. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>> >>> >>> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be >>> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works >>> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* >>> >>> Joseph - kf7qzc >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>>>Listers, >>>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>Jan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> >>>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>> >>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>Behalf >>>> >>>>Of Anjelina >>>> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >>>> >>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>>>from >>>> >>>>paying the annual fee. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>> >>>>From: Marsha Drenth >>>> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >>>> >>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >>>> >>>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use >>>> >>>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >>>> >>>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use >>>> >>>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >>>> >>>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>signature >>>> >>>>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> >>>>nabs-l: >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >>>> >>>>com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Anjelina >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> >>>>nabs-l: >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>>> >>>>l.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:27:44 -0500 >> From: "Heather Field" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Hi Kurt, >> I downloaded Kindle for PC and then bought an ebook with speech enabled. >> However, I believe I still need an accessibility plugin or some such >> add-on >> to make it fully accessible. As you're having great success with using >> Kindle, can you please advise me as to what I need to do so I can read my >> ebook. >> >> Thanks so much. >> Heather >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kirt Manwaring >> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:52 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >> >> Peter, >> I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time >> using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their >> own, I guess. >> Warmly, >> Kirt >> >> On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Hello Joseph and everyone, >>> >>> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. >>> It >>> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access for >>> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping >>> to >>> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio >>> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or >>> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: >>> http://www.blio.com >>> >>> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a >>> great >>> product. Now to add more books to our collection. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>> >>> >>> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be >>> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works >>> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* >>> >>> Joseph - kf7qzc >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>>>Listers, >>>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>Jan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> >>>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>> >>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>Behalf >>>> >>>>Of Anjelina >>>> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >>>> >>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>>>from >>>> >>>>paying the annual fee. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>> >>>>From: Marsha Drenth >>>> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >>>> >>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >>>> >>>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use >>>> >>>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >>>> >>>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use >>>> >>>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >>>> >>>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>signature >>>> >>>>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> >>>>nabs-l: >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >>>> >>>>com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Anjelina >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> >>>>nabs-l: >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>>> >>>>l.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>> >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/missheather%40comcast.net >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:49:43 -0400 >> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >> Message-ID: <1DD7E36205204D098FAF6758FBF60CAC at OwnerPC> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Dunphy >> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >> >> Hi Everybody! >> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >> nabslinkaudio.org. >> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >> spam, etc. >> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >> to a new provider. >> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >> online again. >> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >> said messages and no one else >> and >> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >> validated by the owner >> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >> once you see it! >> If you have any questions, please email me at >> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >> Thank you. >> >From David >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:09:38 -0400 >> From: chris nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi David, >> >> Technical problems, technical problems! First, nabslinkaudio.org's Web >> hosting service motherboard fried, and I just got an email saying that >> AAR will be temporarily offline! Wow! I completely understand. Thanks >> for the update, and I look forward to listening to the meeting! >> >> Chris >> >> On 8/13/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David Dunphy >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> >>> Hi Everybody! >>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >>> nabslinkaudio.org. >>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >>> spam, etc. >>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >>> to a new provider. >>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >>> online again. >>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >>> said messages and no one else >>> and >>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >>> validated by the owner >>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >>> once you see it! >>> If you have any questions, please email me at >>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >>> Thank you. >>> >From David >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:00:54 -0400 >> From: >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >> Message-ID: <94D3A84AC9CB48E483A5C87D966FF189 at OwnerPC> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; >> reply-type=original >> >> David, >> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation adult >> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational >> transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a >> short summer experience to comment on. >> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult >> program >> because I am thinking of going back for training. >> >> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. >> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it?s >> a >> shorter program since they have a new program called >> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the >> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I >> known >> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE >> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The teens >> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. >> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I >> was >> friends with the RWWE students though. >> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of >> field >> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and RWWE >> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. >> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each other >> since there was some overlap in experience. >> >> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living >> skills. >> Its like the youth version of the rehab program. >> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. >> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students >> had >> club activities and in the evening >> there were more activities and some of them were off campus. >> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class >> period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra >> curriculars >> and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already knew. I >> wonder >> if the adult program is more individualized with a good evaluation of >> skills before you learn skills in class. >> >> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, and >> information technology. In communication some students learned braille >> but >> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase >> a >> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. >> In >> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on >> cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and >> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found >> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained things. >> There was another student in my class. We made >> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had >> a >> lesson on putting on lipstick too. >> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and >> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. >> >> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and >> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the >> bus. >> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to >> Newton >> center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I had >> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. >> >> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was >> ten >> years ago! >> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay >> objects and painted them. >> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or >> goal >> ball. >> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to swim, >> but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping >> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. >> >> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually fun. >> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where >> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and >> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to >> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and >> museums. >> >> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student >> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision >> impaired. >> >> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Dodge >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >> >> Hello Everyone, >> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind in >> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >> center? >> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> State University of New York Student Assembly >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:28:47 -0400 >> From: chris nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> , Blind Talk Mailing List >> , >> "g List\" , \"nfbmd\" , >> \"nabs\" , \"maryland-l\" , >> \"Ross >> Hammond\" , \"alena roberts\"" >> >> Cc: Ariana Lipka , ariannas.art at gmail.com >> Subject: [nabs-l] announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: >> new email address for the business >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> I'd like to let everyone know of a new and exciting change in our >> painting business for the blind and sighted, Arianna's Art, Inc. We've >> just created an email account where you can send us questions, >> comments, suggestions, or any other information regarding our >> business. If you would like to advertise our product by displaying it >> at your next NFB, ACB, or any other meeting or event, or would like to >> advertise us in any other way, you can also contact us via this email. >> Our email address is ariannas.art at gmail.com. We're also trying to >> create an email list for people who would like to recieve >> announcements from us. In other words, if you specify that you would >> like to be added to our email list, we'll add your email address to >> our contacts list, and whenever we have a new announcement, we'll >> email it to you. If you'd like to recieve announcements from us, >> please leave us your name and email address at the above email. The >> email address once again is ariannas.art at gmail.com. Arianna has two >> n's and there's no apostrophe before the s. Hope to hear from you >> soon! >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 9 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:57:40 +0000 >> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" >> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> Message-ID: >> >> <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94 at SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >> with >> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >> >> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >> all >> of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, >> I >> highly recommend it. >> >> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real >> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >> experience >> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that >> I >> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so >> I >> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >> use >> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >> but >> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I >> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the >> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >> all >> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >> visual field and acuity. >> >> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I >> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >> chosen. >> >> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence >> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, >> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we >> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >> students >> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities >> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >> saw >> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >> were >> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >> talk," >> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >> led >> to self-awareness and confidence building. >> >> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills >> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by >> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >> responsible >> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had >> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >> they >> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at >> a >> distance while we were in the environment. >> >> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >> end >> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They >> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >> center >> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a >> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but >> it >> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >> dining >> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate >> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >> counter-clockwise direction. >> >> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >> it >> is not the very best option available. >> >> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >> >> Justin >> >> >> >> Justin M. Salisbury >> Undergraduate Student >> The University Honors Program >> East Carolina University >> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >> >> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >> change >> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 10 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:03:06 -0400 >> From: David Dodge >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Thanks so much. He is doing the Youth in Transition program and is >> interested in doing some other programs as well. Good to know you had very >> positive experiences. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> State University of New York Student Assembly >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM, wrote: >> >>> David, >>> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation >>> adult >>> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational >>> transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a >>> short summer experience to comment on. >>> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult >>> program >>> because I am thinking of going back for training. >>> >>> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. >>> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it?s >>> a >>> shorter program since they have a new program called >>> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the >>> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I >>> known >>> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE >>> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The >>> teens >>> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. >>> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I >>> was friends with the RWWE students though. >>> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of >>> field >>> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and >>> RWWE >>> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. >>> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each >>> other >>> since there was some overlap in experience. >>> >>> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living >>> skills. >>> Its like the youth version of the rehab program. >>> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. >>> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students >>> had club activities and in the evening >>> there were more activities and some of them were off campus. >>> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class >>> period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra >>> curriculars and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already >>> knew. I wonder if the adult program is more individualized with a good >>> evaluation of skills before you learn skills in class. >>> >>> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, >>> and >>> information technology. In communication some students learned braille >>> but >>> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase >>> a >>> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. >>> In >>> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on >>> cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and >>> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found >>> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained >>> things. >>> There was another student in my class. We made >>> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had >>> a >>> lesson on putting on lipstick too. >>> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and >>> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. >>> >>> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and >>> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the >>> bus. >>> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to >>> Newton >>> center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I >>> had >>> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. >>> >>> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was >>> ten years ago! >>> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay >>> objects and painted them. >>> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or >>> goal >>> ball. >>> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to >>> swim, >>> but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping >>> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. >>> >>> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually >>> fun. >>> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where >>> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and >>> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to >>> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and >>> museums. >>> >>> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student >>> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision >>> impaired. >>> >>> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. >>> -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge >>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>> >>> Hello Everyone, >>> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind >>> in >>> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>> center? >>> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >>> >>> David >>> ------------------------------**---- >>> David Dodge >>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 11 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:59:07 -0500 >> From: Gabe Cazares >> To: members , tabs_students >> , nabs-l >> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the >> move and a corrected link >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> FYI >> >> ...Gabe >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: David Andrews >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 >> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >> corrected >> link >> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >> >> >>> >>>Hello, >>> >>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >>>Ground >>>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >>>about >>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >>>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >>> >>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers >>> list >>>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >>>book >>>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >>>purchased >>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one please >>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All copies >>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >>> >>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >>>If >>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>>lessons around >>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at bookstores. >>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >>>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to >>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before >>> Roselle >>>passed on June 26, 2011. >>> >>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that "Thunder >>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >>>The >>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind convention >>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >>> >>>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated as >>>a >>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane >>>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the >>> eight >>>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >>>problem. >>>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >>>and >>>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >>>Alma Mater. >>> >>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As always, >>>if >>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >>>looking >>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact >>>information. I hope all is well with you. >>> >>> >>>Best, >>> >>> >>>Mike Hingson >>> >>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >>> "Speaking with Vision" >>>Michael Hingson, President >>>(415) 827-4084 >>>info at michaelhingson.com >>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>>www.michaelhingson.com >>> >>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at >>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >>> >>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nfbnet-members-list mailing list >> Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >> >> >> >> -- >> Gabriel M. Cazares, >> 2nd Vice President >> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS >> (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) >> www.nfbtx.org/tabs >> Phone: 713-581-0619 >> "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest >> willing to let them." >> -Robert Frost >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 12 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:57:26 -0600 >> From: Beth >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award >> Message-ID: <4e47aa32.87cee70a.3a4e.ffffa021 at mx.google.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> Hi, guys. >> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear >> of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for >> her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys >> have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog >> myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I >> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been >> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've >> heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in >> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all >> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. >> Thanks. >> Beth >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 13 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:08:02 -0500 >> From: "Peter Donahue" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> Message-ID: <003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43 at yourfsyly0jtwn> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >> Hello Justin and everyone, >> >> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll >> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw >> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What >> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a "Dying." >> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you need >> once and it will last you a life time. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> >> >> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >> with >> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >> >> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >> all >> of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, >> I >> highly recommend it. >> >> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real >> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >> experience >> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that >> I >> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so >> I >> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >> use >> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >> but >> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I >> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the >> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >> all >> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >> visual field and acuity. >> >> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I >> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >> chosen. >> >> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence >> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, >> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we >> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >> students >> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities >> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >> saw >> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >> were >> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >> talk," >> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >> led >> to self-awareness and confidence building. >> >> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills >> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by >> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >> responsible >> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had >> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >> they >> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at >> a >> distance while we were in the environment. >> >> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >> end >> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They >> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >> center >> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a >> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but >> it >> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >> dining >> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate >> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >> counter-clockwise direction. >> >> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >> it >> is not the very best option available. >> >> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >> >> Justin >> >> >> >> Justin M. Salisbury >> Undergraduate Student >> The University Honors Program >> East Carolina University >> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >> >> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >> change >> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 14 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:32:38 -0400 >> From: chris nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] sending a message to all Gmail contacts? >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> I have a question for all Gmail users. Is there a way that I can send >> a message to all Gmail contacts at the same time? Is there some kind >> of "send to all" button like there is on my mom's Yahoo account? I'm >> asking because, as I posted last night, our business (Arianna's Art, >> Inc.) has created a new Gmail account where people can send us >> questions, feedback, orders, etc. We'd also like to create a contacts >> list for our Gmail account, and send out an email to all our contacts >> when we have a new announcement or a piece of news. So, can I do this >> in Gmail without Google group? If I can't do this with JAWS in Basic >> HTML mode, I'll just create a list on Google Groups. But, can I send >> one message to all contacts? Thanks! >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 15 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:34:34 -0400 >> From: chris nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Blind Talk Mailing List >> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors >> flier >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" >> >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:38:39 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier >> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." >> >> >> *Employment Mentoring Project* >> >> *Seeking Professionals Who Are Blind * >> >> ** >> >> Remember the challenges you faced in finding your first job?? >> >> Would you like to help a college student who is also blind begin their >> career in a profession similar to yours?? >> >> We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with >> mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. >> >> *BENEFITS* >> >> ?Opportunity to mentor a college student who is blind and is interested >> in working in your profession >> >> ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community >> >> *RESPONSIBILITIES* >> >> ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after your mentee >> graduates >> >> ?Help your mentee develop career goals and offer opportunities for job >> shadowing >> >> ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month >> >> ?Complete online activities monthly >> >> ** >> >> *ELIGIBILITY* >> >> ?Legal blindness >> >> ?Currently employed or retired from a professional career >> >> ?Has basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility >> software/hardware needed to access online materials >> >> *INTERESTED?* >> >> ?*Complete the eligibility survey at >> *http://tiny.cc/mentor-professionals** >> >> ** >> >> ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State >> University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at >> rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: >> 1-800-675-7782 >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 16 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:37:04 -0400 >> From: chris nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> , Blind Talk Mailing List >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees >> flier. >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" >> >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:37:29 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. >> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." >> >> >> *Employment Mentoring Project* >> >> *For Students Who Are Legally Blind* >> >> ** >> >> Is finding a job your next big step after graduation?? >> >> Would you like the opportunity to work with a mentor who is also blind >> and has experience in your profession of interest?? >> >> We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with >> mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. >> >> *BENEFITS* >> >> ?Potential to work with a career mentor who is blind >> >> ?Access to career development resources >> >> ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community >> >> *RESPONSIBILITIES* >> >> ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after graduation >> >> ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month >> >> ?Complete online activities monthly >> >> ** >> >> *ELIGIBILITY* >> >> ?Undergraduate or graduate student, under age 35, who: >> >> oIs legally blind >> >> oPlans to graduate within 2-3 semesters after January 2012 >> >> oExpects to seek employment after graduation >> >> oHas basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility >> software/hardware needed to access online materials >> >> *INTERESTED?* >> >> ?*Complete eligibility survey online at *http://tiny.cc/mentor-students** >> >> ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State >> University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at >> rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: >> 1-800-675-7782 >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 17 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:50:16 -0400 >> From: chris nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! >> >> Chris >> >> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Hello Justin and everyone, >>> >>> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll >>> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw >>> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What >>> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>> "Dying." >>> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>> need >>> once and it will last you a life time. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> >>> >>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >>> with >>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>> >>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >>> all >>> of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, >>> I >>> highly recommend it. >>> >>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>> Real >>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>> experience >>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>> that >>> >>> I >>> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so >>> I >>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >>> use >>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >>> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >>> but >>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >>> I >>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>> the >>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >>> all >>> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >>> visual field and acuity. >>> >>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >>> I >>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>> chosen. >>> >>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence >>> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>> devices, >>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we >>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >>> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>> students >>> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities >>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >>> saw >>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>> were >>> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>> talk," >>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >>> led >>> to self-awareness and confidence building. >>> >>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>> skills >>> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >>> by >>> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>> responsible >>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>> had >>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >>> they >>> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at >>> a >>> distance while we were in the environment. >>> >>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >>> end >>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They >>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>> center >>> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >>> a >>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but >>> it >>> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>> dining >>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate >>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>> counter-clockwise direction. >>> >>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >>> it >>> is not the very best option available. >>> >>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> >>> Justin M. Salisbury >>> Undergraduate Student >>> The University Honors Program >>> East Carolina University >>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> >>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 18 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:58:53 -0400 >> From: chris nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi Beth, >> >> Amen to that! I'm going to try on my PC, as the site was a little >> weird with my BrailleNote, so it may be better with JAWS. I have >> recently finished reading Thunder Dog (my friend picked a copy up for >> me at national convention, as I wasn't there... what a bad >> Federationist I am, *smiles) and it's a wonderfull story. You'll love >> it! Enjoy the book! >> >> Chris >> >> P.S. Does anybody know when the deadline for voting for Roselle is? >> Did Mike mention this in one of his emails, and I just didn't pay >> attention? >> >> On 8/14/11, Beth wrote: >>> Hi, guys. >>> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear >>> of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for >>> her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys >>> have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog >>> myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I >>> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been >>> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've >>> heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in >>> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all >>> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. >>> Thanks. >>> Beth >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 19 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:49:13 -0400 >> From: chris nusbaum >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on >> the move and a corrected link >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hi Gabe, >> >> Just FYI, you don't need to send emails to the NABS list if they come >> across as posted to the NFBnet-members list. When Dave Andrews posts >> something to the NFBnet-members or NFBnet-master lists, it goes to >> everybody who's on any NFBnet lists. This reduces Inbox clutter for >> people who are on multiple lists, as a message is sent to one list, >> then forwarded to another list on the same server as the first, then >> another, and another... well, you see what I mean. The other lists you >> posted it to hadn't seen the message before you sent it, though, >> because they're on different servers. Just letting you know! >> >> Chris >> >> On 8/13/11, Gabe Cazares wrote: >>> FYI >>> >>> ...Gabe >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: David Andrews >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 >>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >>> corrected >>> link >>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>>> >>>>Hello, >>>> >>>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >>>> Ground >>>>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >>>> about >>>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >>>>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >>>> >>>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers >>>>list >>>>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >>>> book >>>>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >>>> purchased >>>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one >>>> please >>>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All >>>> copies >>>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >>>> >>>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >>>> If >>>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>>>lessons around >>>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at >>>> bookstores. >>>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >>>>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to >>>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before >>>>Roselle >>>>passed on June 26, 2011. >>>> >>>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that "Thunder >>>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >>>> The >>>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>>>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind >>>> convention >>>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >>>> >>>>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated >>>> as >>>> a >>>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane >>>>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the >>>>eight >>>>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >>>> problem. >>>>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >>>> and >>>>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >>>>Alma Mater. >>>> >>>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As always, >>>> if >>>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >>>> looking >>>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact >>>>information. I hope all is well with you. >>>> >>>> >>>>Best, >>>> >>>> >>>>Mike Hingson >>>> >>>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >>>> "Speaking with Vision" >>>>Michael Hingson, President >>>>(415) 827-4084 >>>>info at michaelhingson.com >>>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>>>www.michaelhingson.com >>>> >>>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at >>>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >>>> >>>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nfbnet-members-list mailing list >>> Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Gabriel M. Cazares, >>> 2nd Vice President >>> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS >>> (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) >>> www.nfbtx.org/tabs >>> Phone: 713-581-0619 >>> "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest >>> willing to let them." >>> -Robert Frost >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 20 >> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:25:30 -0400 >> From: Patrick Molloy >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> Hello everyone: >> I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds >> are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something >> to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more >> accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days? >> (I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't >> compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be >> appreciated. >> Thanks, >> Patrick Molloy >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 >> ************************************** >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > Sales and Advertising Coordinator > > Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > > Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:55:07 -0500 From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness a dying? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Arielle: That was a great post. I had never heard of this place, or the individual in question, but your post has educated me on his philosophy. I agree with you. Blessings, Joshua On 8/16/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > Interesting. I didn't realize the founder of the Carroll Center was > the same guy who wrote "Blindness: What it Is, What it Does and How to > Live with It". I haven't actually read the book myself, but I have > read other articles who have cited it, and in fact I read up quite a > bit on Carroll's philosophy as part of a grant proposal I recently > wrote. > Fr. Carroll was one of several blindness rehab scholars in the 1960's > and 1970's who advocated a "loss model" explaining how people adjust > to blindness. These loss models postulate that losing one's eyesight > is a lot like experiencing the death of a loved one and that people > cope with it in similar fashion by going through various stages of > grief, like denial, depression, anger and despair, before they > eventually come to accept the loss and move forward. My understanding > is that loss-model advocates generally believed people who lose their > sight are not "ready" to begin getting training in alternative > techniques until they have had time to process their sadness and > grief. What is so unfortunate about these kinds of theories is that > they imply everyone reacts to blindness in the same way, and that > these negative emotional reactions are inevitable and will happen > regardless of what rehab professionals or others (like family members, > spouses, etc.) do. Luckily, more recently scholars in the field have > noticed that not everyone who becomes blind experiences depression or > grief and that some people actually do quite well with early training > in alternative skills. Scholars have also begun to understand that the > reactions of the important people in a blind person's life can play a > huge role in determining how that blind person copes and that much of > the depression, frustration, etc. that come from blindness actually > come from other people's negative reactions, as well as the temporary > sense of incompetence that comes from not knowing alternative skills. > The problem with theories like Carroll's, I think, is that they assume > blindness affects everyone equally. Of course many of us who lose > vision experience temporary depression and grief, and of course even > those of us who have been blind our whole lives have times when we > hate blindness. But clearly not everyone reacts in the same way or > finds their lives dominated by these negative feelings. It's similar > to research we often see showing how blind children on average are > deficient or delayed in all kinds of developmental areas. This may be > true on average, but it's not true for all blind kids. These kinds of > conclusions that focus on blind people as a group may be accurate, but > they're oversimplified. They fail to account for all the factors that > allow some of us to end up better-adjusted than others. What > distinguishes newly blind folks who get depressed from those who > don't? What separates blind kids who start crawling or walking on time > from those who don't? These kinds of questions, I think, are rarely > asked, but they're much more important than the questions that lump > all blind people together, because they show us what controllable > factors make real differences in our lives. If we don't ask these > kinds of questions, we end up concluding that blindness is a kind of > equal-opportunity buzzkill that will leave all of us maladjusted and > unproductive regardless of what we do. And that's depressing! > Arielle > > On 8/16/11, chris nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Justin, >> >> Don't hold your breath for having a Federationist take over the >> Carroll Center! Well, it may happen, but I don't see it happening >> soon, as they've worked very closely with the AFB (I think) and a lot >> of them still believe in what FR Carroll did. >> >> Chris >> >> On 8/16/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Hello Justin and everyone, >>> >>> You can read all about FR. Carroll's belief about blindness being a >>> "Dying" in his book "Blindness: What it is, What it does,and How to Live >>> With It." You should be able to get the book from NLS, Learning Allie, or >>> Bookshare.org. I read it in the late 1970s and became totally depressed >>> after reading three chapters of it. Dr. Jernigan quoted from it in his >>> address: "Blindness Handicap or Characteristic." >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:42 AM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> >>> >>> I just want to summarize my view on the Carroll Center: >>> >>> If it's the only opportunity you have to get some skills that you don't >>> already have, it can benefit you. If you have the opportunity to attend >>> an >>> NFB training center (or BISM, which Amy Phelps runs with an NFB >>> philosophy), >>> choose it over the Carroll Center 100 out of 100 times. >>> >>> I've never heard the "dying" thing about Father Carroll, but it does not >>> surprise me. I would love to get a good Federationist to take over the >>> management of the Carroll Center. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> Justin M. Salisbury >>> Undergraduate Student >>> The University Honors Program >>> East Carolina University >>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> >>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >>> >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org] >>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:00 PM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 >>> >>> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (David Dunphy) >>> 2. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (Justin Young) >>> 3. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Kirt Manwaring) >>> 4. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Heather Field) >>> 5. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >>> 6. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (chris nusbaum) >>> 7. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >>> 8. announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: new email >>> address for the business (chris nusbaum) >>> 9. The Carroll Center for the Blind (Salisbury, Justin Mark) >>> 10. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (David Dodge) >>> 11. Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >>> corrected link (Gabe Cazares) >>> 12. AMerican Hero Dog Award (Beth) >>> 13. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (Peter Donahue) >>> 14. sending a message to all Gmail contacts? (chris nusbaum) >>> 15. Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier >>> (chris nusbaum) >>> 16. Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. >>> (chris nusbaum) >>> 17. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (chris nusbaum) >>> 18. Re: AMerican Hero Dog Award (chris nusbaum) >>> 19. Re: Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move >>> and a corrected link (chris nusbaum) >>> 20. accessible iPod (Patrick Molloy) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:11:26 -0400 >>> From: David Dunphy >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi Everybody! >>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >>> nabslinkaudio.org. >>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >>> spam, etc. >>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >>> to a new provider. >>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >>> online again. >>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >>> said messages and no one else >>> and >>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >>> validated by the owner >>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >>> once you see it! >>> If you have any questions, please email me at >>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >>> Thank you. >>> >From David >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:29:42 -0400 >>> From: Justin Young >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> No problem. I did three different programs. In the Summer of 2006 I >>> did the Youth In Transition(YIT) program which is heavily focused upon >>> daily living skills. There were classes from 8:45-3pm Mon-Fri. Then >>> there was activities that you did clubs and stuff like that. Some >>> were fun and some not really. You have the opportunity to do fencing, >>> and other evening activities. Some of the evening ones were more >>> arts/crafts style if I recall. Its hard to say with the >>> extracurriculars cuz they changed ever year. The ones whichwere the >>> same were Fencing, Sailing, shopping and others which I forget. The >>> next Summer I did the Real World of Work Experience Program(RWWE) >>> which was 5 weeks where the first week is doing the classes to make >>> sure you can do all of it because like laundry you had to wait until >>> after classes were over or on weekends as well. Once you begin >>> working its great I must say. When I did it they selected a place for >>> you and you were on the job site for Mon, Wed, Fri and Tues & Thu you >>> went on Field Trips. Oh yes I forgot about those we went on those as >>> well in YIT. They were to fun places, movies, golfing & stuff like >>> that. For the RWWE program though on Thursdays we went on Work >>> related field trips. Like once we went to the State House in Boston >>> and tried to go to Cape Cod, but the van I was in broke down so >>> couldn't do that one. There were still the activities in the >>> afternoon and evening. I didn't really do the ones in the afternoon >>> because I got back from work to late always. I worked at the Newton >>> Welseley Hospital in the Receiving Department which was fun after I >>> got a hand of what I was doing, the layout of the place and confidence >>> that I could do it all. I delivered to depts mainly. For my Final >>> Summer I and 4 others were involved in the pilot program of Transition >>> To College(TTC) in the Summer of 2008. This program was 4 weeks where >>> we did 2 at the Carroll Center like the YIT program and 2 at Boston >>> College. The 2 weeks of the classes is to ensure we could do it while >>> at BC. There was also a 2 week period before the program started for >>> all in the program to do the Computing to College which is a computer >>> program based in the Technology Center at the Carroll Center. I >>> couldn't do this portion because I was finishing High School. While >>> at BC we attended various seminars during the day and after I think >>> 3pm it was we were free to do whatever we liked. We stayed in a dorm >>> which was a suite style and had a supervisor in one of the 5 rooms >>> with us. We were given each day $15 for food and had to give the >>> supervisor all receipts of what we spent. We definitely got our >>> exercise because our dorm was about a mile from the Education Building >>> where our seminars took place. We went on a field trip or two I don't >>> remember. I remember we went to either Boston University or one of >>> the UMass schools. I and a few of the others in the program took the >>> train to go places once or twice and a coffee shop was right on the >>> edge of the college and not far from our dorm. So, I went there >>> sometimes. >>> >>> It was a great three years full of making friends. The cons you >>> asked? Hmm, well it really depends upon how you look at which program >>> you are in. I would say that sometimes you were forced to do things >>> you didn't really want to do which is why I really liked the BC >>> living. I hope this helps you. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> On 8/13/11, David Dodge wrote: >>>> Justin, >>>> Thanks for your e-mail. Clearly, you have a great deal of experience >>>> with >>>> the center. Can you tell me about the program you were in, what you >>>> learned, >>>> and how it helped you? Were there any cons to the center? Thanks so >>>> much. >>>> >>>> David >>>> ---------------------------------- >>>> David Dodge >>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>>> English Major >>>> University at Buffalo >>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Justin Young wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi David, >>>>> >>>>> I have experience with this center since I spent 3 consecutive summers >>>>> at the Corroll Center. I would be happy to answer any questions you >>>>> may have. >>>>> >>>>> Justin Young >>>>> >>>>> On 8/12/11, David Dodge wrote: >>>>> > Hello Everyone, >>>>> > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the >>>>> > Blind >>>>> in >>>>> > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>>>> center? >>>>> > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >>>>> > >>>>> > David >>>>> > ---------------------------------- >>>>> > David Dodge >>>>> > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>>> > State University of New York Student Assembly >>>>> > English Major >>>>> > University at Buffalo >>>>> > 306 Clemens Hall >>>>> > Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>>> > daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> > nabs-l: >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:52:23 -0600 >>> From: Kirt Manwaring >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> Peter, >>> I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time >>> using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their >>> own, I guess. >>> Warmly, >>> Kirt >>> >>> On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> Hello Joseph and everyone, >>>> >>>> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. >>>> It >>>> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access >>>> for >>>> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping >>>> to >>>> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio >>>> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or >>>> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: >>>> http://www.blio.com >>>> >>>> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a >>>> great >>>> product. Now to add more books to our collection. >>>> >>>> Peter Donahue >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be >>>> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works >>>> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* >>>> >>>> Joseph - kf7qzc >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>>>>Listers, >>>>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>Jan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is >>>>> free. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>Behalf >>>>> >>>>>Of Anjelina >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >>>>> >>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>>>>from >>>>> >>>>>paying the annual fee. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>>From: Marsha Drenth >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >>>>> >>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >>>>> >>>>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to >>>>> use >>>>> >>>>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >>>>> >>>>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't >>>>> use >>>>> >>>>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >>>>> >>>>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie >>>>> books. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>>signature >>>>> >>>>>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >>>>> >>>>>com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Anjelina >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>>>> >>>>>l.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:27:44 -0500 >>> From: "Heather Field" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> Hi Kurt, >>> I downloaded Kindle for PC and then bought an ebook with speech enabled. >>> However, I believe I still need an accessibility plugin or some such >>> add-on >>> to make it fully accessible. As you're having great success with using >>> Kindle, can you please advise me as to what I need to do so I can read my >>> ebook. >>> >>> Thanks so much. >>> Heather >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kirt Manwaring >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:52 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >>> >>> Peter, >>> I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time >>> using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their >>> own, I guess. >>> Warmly, >>> Kirt >>> >>> On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> Hello Joseph and everyone, >>>> >>>> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. >>>> It >>>> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access >>>> for >>>> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping >>>> to >>>> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio >>>> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or >>>> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: >>>> http://www.blio.com >>>> >>>> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a >>>> great >>>> product. Now to add more books to our collection. >>>> >>>> Peter Donahue >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be >>>> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works >>>> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* >>>> >>>> Joseph - kf7qzc >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>>>>Listers, >>>>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>Jan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is >>>>> free. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>Behalf >>>>> >>>>>Of Anjelina >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >>>>> >>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>>>>from >>>>> >>>>>paying the annual fee. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>>From: Marsha Drenth >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >>>>> >>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >>>>> >>>>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to >>>>> use >>>>> >>>>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >>>>> >>>>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't >>>>> use >>>>> >>>>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >>>>> >>>>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie >>>>> books. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>>signature >>>>> >>>>>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >>>>> >>>>>com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Anjelina >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>>>> >>>>>l.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/missheather%40comcast.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:49:43 -0400 >>> From: >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> Message-ID: <1DD7E36205204D098FAF6758FBF60CAC at OwnerPC> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David Dunphy >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> >>> Hi Everybody! >>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >>> nabslinkaudio.org. >>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >>> spam, etc. >>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >>> to a new provider. >>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >>> online again. >>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >>> said messages and no one else >>> and >>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >>> validated by the owner >>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >>> once you see it! >>> If you have any questions, please email me at >>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >>> Thank you. >>> >From David >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:09:38 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> Technical problems, technical problems! First, nabslinkaudio.org's Web >>> hosting service motherboard fried, and I just got an email saying that >>> AAR will be temporarily offline! Wow! I completely understand. Thanks >>> for the update, and I look forward to listening to the meeting! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 8/13/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>>> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: David Dunphy >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>>> >>>> Hi Everybody! >>>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >>>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >>>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >>>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >>>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >>>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >>>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >>>> nabslinkaudio.org. >>>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >>>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >>>> spam, etc. >>>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >>>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >>>> to a new provider. >>>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >>>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >>>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >>>> online again. >>>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >>>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >>>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >>>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >>>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >>>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >>>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >>>> said messages and no one else >>>> and >>>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >>>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >>>> validated by the owner >>>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >>>> once you see it! >>>> If you have any questions, please email me at >>>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >>>> Thank you. >>>> >From David >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 7 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:00:54 -0400 >>> From: >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>> Message-ID: <94D3A84AC9CB48E483A5C87D966FF189 at OwnerPC> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> David, >>> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation >>> adult >>> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational >>> transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a >>> short summer experience to comment on. >>> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult >>> program >>> because I am thinking of going back for training. >>> >>> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. >>> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it?s >>> a >>> shorter program since they have a new program called >>> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the >>> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I >>> known >>> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE >>> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The >>> teens >>> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. >>> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I >>> was >>> friends with the RWWE students though. >>> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of >>> field >>> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and >>> RWWE >>> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. >>> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each >>> other >>> since there was some overlap in experience. >>> >>> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living >>> skills. >>> Its like the youth version of the rehab program. >>> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. >>> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students >>> had >>> club activities and in the evening >>> there were more activities and some of them were off campus. >>> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class >>> period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra >>> curriculars >>> and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already knew. I >>> wonder >>> if the adult program is more individualized with a good evaluation of >>> skills before you learn skills in class. >>> >>> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, >>> and >>> information technology. In communication some students learned braille >>> but >>> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase >>> a >>> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. >>> In >>> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on >>> cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and >>> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found >>> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained >>> things. >>> There was another student in my class. We made >>> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had >>> a >>> lesson on putting on lipstick too. >>> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and >>> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. >>> >>> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and >>> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the >>> bus. >>> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to >>> Newton >>> center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I >>> had >>> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. >>> >>> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was >>> ten >>> years ago! >>> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay >>> objects and painted them. >>> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or >>> goal >>> ball. >>> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to >>> swim, >>> but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping >>> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. >>> >>> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually >>> fun. >>> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where >>> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and >>> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to >>> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and >>> museums. >>> >>> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student >>> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision >>> impaired. >>> >>> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David Dodge >>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>> >>> Hello Everyone, >>> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind >>> in >>> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>> center? >>> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >>> >>> David >>> ---------------------------------- >>> David Dodge >>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 8 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:28:47 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> , Blind Talk Mailing List >>> , >>> "g List\" , \"nfbmd\" , >>> \"nabs\" , \"maryland-l\" , >>> \"Ross >>> Hammond\" , \"alena roberts\"" >>> >>> Cc: Ariana Lipka , ariannas.art at gmail.com >>> Subject: [nabs-l] announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: >>> new email address for the business >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I'd like to let everyone know of a new and exciting change in our >>> painting business for the blind and sighted, Arianna's Art, Inc. We've >>> just created an email account where you can send us questions, >>> comments, suggestions, or any other information regarding our >>> business. If you would like to advertise our product by displaying it >>> at your next NFB, ACB, or any other meeting or event, or would like to >>> advertise us in any other way, you can also contact us via this email. >>> Our email address is ariannas.art at gmail.com. We're also trying to >>> create an email list for people who would like to recieve >>> announcements from us. In other words, if you specify that you would >>> like to be added to our email list, we'll add your email address to >>> our contacts list, and whenever we have a new announcement, we'll >>> email it to you. If you'd like to recieve announcements from us, >>> please leave us your name and email address at the above email. The >>> email address once again is ariannas.art at gmail.com. Arianna has two >>> n's and there's no apostrophe before the s. Hope to hear from you >>> soon! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 9 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:57:40 +0000 >>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" >>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94 at SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >>> >>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >>> with >>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>> >>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >>> all >>> of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, >>> I >>> highly recommend it. >>> >>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>> Real >>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>> experience >>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>> that >>> I >>> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so >>> I >>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >>> use >>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >>> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >>> but >>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >>> I >>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>> the >>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >>> all >>> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >>> visual field and acuity. >>> >>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >>> I >>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>> chosen. >>> >>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence >>> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>> devices, >>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we >>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >>> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>> students >>> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities >>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >>> saw >>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>> were >>> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>> talk," >>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >>> led >>> to self-awareness and confidence building. >>> >>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>> skills >>> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >>> by >>> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>> responsible >>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>> had >>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >>> they >>> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at >>> a >>> distance while we were in the environment. >>> >>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >>> end >>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They >>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>> center >>> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >>> a >>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but >>> it >>> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>> dining >>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate >>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>> counter-clockwise direction. >>> >>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >>> it >>> is not the very best option available. >>> >>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> >>> Justin M. Salisbury >>> Undergraduate Student >>> The University Honors Program >>> East Carolina University >>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> >>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 10 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:03:06 -0400 >>> From: David Dodge >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> Thanks so much. He is doing the Youth in Transition program and is >>> interested in doing some other programs as well. Good to know you had >>> very >>> positive experiences. >>> >>> David >>> ---------------------------------- >>> David Dodge >>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM, wrote: >>> >>>> David, >>>> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation >>>> adult >>>> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational >>>> transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have >>>> a >>>> short summer experience to comment on. >>>> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult >>>> program >>>> because I am thinking of going back for training. >>>> >>>> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. >>>> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now >>>> it?s >>>> a >>>> shorter program since they have a new program called >>>> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the >>>> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I >>>> known >>>> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE >>>> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The >>>> teens >>>> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. >>>> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I >>>> was friends with the RWWE students though. >>>> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of >>>> field >>>> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and >>>> RWWE >>>> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. >>>> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each >>>> other >>>> since there was some overlap in experience. >>>> >>>> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living >>>> skills. >>>> Its like the youth version of the rehab program. >>>> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. >>>> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students >>>> had club activities and in the evening >>>> there were more activities and some of them were off campus. >>>> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class >>>> period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra >>>> curriculars and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already >>>> knew. I wonder if the adult program is more individualized with a good >>>> evaluation of skills before you learn skills in class. >>>> >>>> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, >>>> and >>>> information technology. In communication some students learned braille >>>> but >>>> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to >>>> erase >>>> a >>>> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. >>>> In >>>> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on >>>> cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and >>>> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found >>>> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained >>>> things. >>>> There was another student in my class. We made >>>> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We >>>> had >>>> a >>>> lesson on putting on lipstick too. >>>> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and >>>> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. >>>> >>>> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing >>>> and >>>> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the >>>> bus. >>>> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to >>>> Newton >>>> center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I >>>> had >>>> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. >>>> >>>> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was >>>> ten years ago! >>>> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay >>>> objects and painted them. >>>> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or >>>> goal >>>> ball. >>>> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to >>>> swim, >>>> but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping >>>> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. >>>> >>>> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually >>>> fun. >>>> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where >>>> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and >>>> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us >>>> to >>>> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and >>>> museums. >>>> >>>> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one >>>> student >>>> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision >>>> impaired. >>>> >>>> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. >>>> -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge >>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>>> >>>> Hello Everyone, >>>> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind >>>> in >>>> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>>> center? >>>> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >>>> >>>> David >>>> ------------------------------**---- >>>> David Dodge >>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>>> English Major >>>> University at Buffalo >>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 11 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:59:07 -0500 >>> From: Gabe Cazares >>> To: members , tabs_students >>> , nabs-l >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the >>> move and a corrected link >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> FYI >>> >>> ...Gabe >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: David Andrews >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 >>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >>> corrected >>> link >>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>>> >>>>Hello, >>>> >>>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >>>>Ground >>>>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >>>>about >>>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >>>>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >>>> >>>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers >>>> list >>>>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >>>>book >>>>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >>>>purchased >>>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one >>>> please >>>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All >>>> copies >>>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >>>> >>>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >>>>If >>>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>>>lessons around >>>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at >>>> bookstores. >>>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >>>>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to >>>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before >>>> Roselle >>>>passed on June 26, 2011. >>>> >>>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that "Thunder >>>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >>>>The >>>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>>>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind >>>> convention >>>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >>>> >>>>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated >>>> as >>>>a >>>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane >>>>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the >>>> eight >>>>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >>>>problem. >>>>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >>>>and >>>>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >>>>Alma Mater. >>>> >>>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As always, >>>>if >>>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >>>>looking >>>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact >>>>information. I hope all is well with you. >>>> >>>> >>>>Best, >>>> >>>> >>>>Mike Hingson >>>> >>>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >>>> "Speaking with Vision" >>>>Michael Hingson, President >>>>(415) 827-4084 >>>>info at michaelhingson.com >>>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>>>www.michaelhingson.com >>>> >>>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at >>>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >>>> >>>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nfbnet-members-list mailing list >>> Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Gabriel M. Cazares, >>> 2nd Vice President >>> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS >>> (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) >>> www.nfbtx.org/tabs >>> Phone: 713-581-0619 >>> "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest >>> willing to let them." >>> -Robert Frost >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 12 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:57:26 -0600 >>> From: Beth >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award >>> Message-ID: <4e47aa32.87cee70a.3a4e.ffffa021 at mx.google.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed >>> >>> Hi, guys. >>> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear >>> of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for >>> her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys >>> have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog >>> myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I >>> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been >>> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've >>> heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in >>> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all >>> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. >>> Thanks. >>> Beth >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 13 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:08:02 -0500 >>> From: "Peter Donahue" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> Message-ID: <003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43 at yourfsyly0jtwn> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >>> >>> Hello Justin and everyone, >>> >>> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll >>> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw >>> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What >>> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>> "Dying." >>> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>> need >>> once and it will last you a life time. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> >>> >>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >>> with >>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>> >>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >>> all >>> of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, >>> I >>> highly recommend it. >>> >>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>> Real >>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>> experience >>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>> that >>> I >>> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so >>> I >>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >>> use >>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >>> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >>> but >>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >>> I >>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>> the >>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >>> all >>> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >>> visual field and acuity. >>> >>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >>> I >>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>> chosen. >>> >>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence >>> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>> devices, >>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we >>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >>> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>> students >>> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities >>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >>> saw >>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>> were >>> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>> talk," >>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >>> led >>> to self-awareness and confidence building. >>> >>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>> skills >>> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >>> by >>> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>> responsible >>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>> had >>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >>> they >>> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at >>> a >>> distance while we were in the environment. >>> >>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >>> end >>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They >>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>> center >>> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >>> a >>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but >>> it >>> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>> dining >>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate >>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>> counter-clockwise direction. >>> >>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >>> it >>> is not the very best option available. >>> >>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> >>> Justin M. Salisbury >>> Undergraduate Student >>> The University Honors Program >>> East Carolina University >>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> >>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 14 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:32:38 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] sending a message to all Gmail contacts? >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I have a question for all Gmail users. Is there a way that I can send >>> a message to all Gmail contacts at the same time? Is there some kind >>> of "send to all" button like there is on my mom's Yahoo account? I'm >>> asking because, as I posted last night, our business (Arianna's Art, >>> Inc.) has created a new Gmail account where people can send us >>> questions, feedback, orders, etc. We'd also like to create a contacts >>> list for our Gmail account, and send out an email to all our contacts >>> when we have a new announcement or a piece of news. So, can I do this >>> in Gmail without Google group? If I can't do this with JAWS in Basic >>> HTML mode, I'll just create a list on Google Groups. But, can I send >>> one message to all contacts? Thanks! >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 15 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:34:34 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Blind Talk Mailing List >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors >>> flier >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" >>> >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:38:39 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier >>> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." >>> >>> >>> *Employment Mentoring Project* >>> >>> *Seeking Professionals Who Are Blind * >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Remember the challenges you faced in finding your first job?? >>> >>> Would you like to help a college student who is also blind begin their >>> career in a profession similar to yours?? >>> >>> We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with >>> mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. >>> >>> *BENEFITS* >>> >>> ?Opportunity to mentor a college student who is blind and is interested >>> in working in your profession >>> >>> ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community >>> >>> *RESPONSIBILITIES* >>> >>> ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after your mentee >>> graduates >>> >>> ?Help your mentee develop career goals and offer opportunities for job >>> shadowing >>> >>> ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month >>> >>> ?Complete online activities monthly >>> >>> ** >>> >>> *ELIGIBILITY* >>> >>> ?Legal blindness >>> >>> ?Currently employed or retired from a professional career >>> >>> ?Has basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility >>> software/hardware needed to access online materials >>> >>> *INTERESTED?* >>> >>> ?*Complete the eligibility survey at >>> *http://tiny.cc/mentor-professionals** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State >>> University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at >>> rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: >>> 1-800-675-7782 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 16 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:37:04 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> , Blind Talk Mailing List >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees >>> flier. >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" >>> >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:37:29 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. >>> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." >>> >>> >>> *Employment Mentoring Project* >>> >>> *For Students Who Are Legally Blind* >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Is finding a job your next big step after graduation?? >>> >>> Would you like the opportunity to work with a mentor who is also blind >>> and has experience in your profession of interest?? >>> >>> We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with >>> mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. >>> >>> *BENEFITS* >>> >>> ?Potential to work with a career mentor who is blind >>> >>> ?Access to career development resources >>> >>> ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community >>> >>> *RESPONSIBILITIES* >>> >>> ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after graduation >>> >>> ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month >>> >>> ?Complete online activities monthly >>> >>> ** >>> >>> *ELIGIBILITY* >>> >>> ?Undergraduate or graduate student, under age 35, who: >>> >>> oIs legally blind >>> >>> oPlans to graduate within 2-3 semesters after January 2012 >>> >>> oExpects to seek employment after graduation >>> >>> oHas basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility >>> software/hardware needed to access online materials >>> >>> *INTERESTED?* >>> >>> ?*Complete eligibility survey online at *http://tiny.cc/mentor-students** >>> >>> ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State >>> University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at >>> rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: >>> 1-800-675-7782 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 17 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:50:16 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >>> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >>> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >>> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >>> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >>> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >>> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >>> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >>> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >>> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >>> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >>> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >>> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> Hello Justin and everyone, >>>> >>>> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll >>>> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >>>> saw >>>> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >>>> What >>>> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>>> "Dying." >>>> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>>> need >>>> once and it will last you a life time. >>>> >>>> Peter Donahue >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>>> >>>> >>>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >>>> with >>>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>>> >>>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>>> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >>>> all >>>> of the other students involved. If only considering the social >>>> frontier, >>>> I >>>> highly recommend it. >>>> >>>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>>> Real >>>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>>> experience >>>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>>> that >>>> >>>> I >>>> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, >>>> so >>>> I >>>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >>>> use >>>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>>> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>>> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >>>> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >>>> but >>>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >>>> I >>>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>>> the >>>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >>>> all >>>> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >>>> visual field and acuity. >>>> >>>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >>>> I >>>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>>> chosen. >>>> >>>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >>>> confidence >>>> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >>>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>>> devices, >>>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >>>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >>>> we >>>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >>>> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>>> students >>>> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >>>> activities >>>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >>>> saw >>>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>>> were >>>> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>>> talk," >>>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >>>> led >>>> to self-awareness and confidence building. >>>> >>>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>>> skills >>>> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >>>> by >>>> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>>> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >>>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>>> responsible >>>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>>> had >>>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >>>> they >>>> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us >>>> at >>>> a >>>> distance while we were in the environment. >>>> >>>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >>>> end >>>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >>>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >>>> They >>>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>>> center >>>> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >>>> a >>>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >>>> but >>>> it >>>> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>>> dining >>>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >>>> navigate >>>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>>> counter-clockwise direction. >>>> >>>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >>>> it >>>> is not the very best option available. >>>> >>>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Justin M. Salisbury >>>> Undergraduate Student >>>> The University Honors Program >>>> East Carolina University >>>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>>> >>>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>>> change >>>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 18 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:58:53 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi Beth, >>> >>> Amen to that! I'm going to try on my PC, as the site was a little >>> weird with my BrailleNote, so it may be better with JAWS. I have >>> recently finished reading Thunder Dog (my friend picked a copy up for >>> me at national convention, as I wasn't there... what a bad >>> Federationist I am, *smiles) and it's a wonderfull story. You'll love >>> it! Enjoy the book! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> P.S. Does anybody know when the deadline for voting for Roselle is? >>> Did Mike mention this in one of his emails, and I just didn't pay >>> attention? >>> >>> On 8/14/11, Beth wrote: >>>> Hi, guys. >>>> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear >>>> of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for >>>> her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys >>>> have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog >>>> myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I >>>> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been >>>> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've >>>> heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in >>>> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all >>>> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. >>>> Thanks. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 19 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:49:13 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on >>> the move and a corrected link >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi Gabe, >>> >>> Just FYI, you don't need to send emails to the NABS list if they come >>> across as posted to the NFBnet-members list. When Dave Andrews posts >>> something to the NFBnet-members or NFBnet-master lists, it goes to >>> everybody who's on any NFBnet lists. This reduces Inbox clutter for >>> people who are on multiple lists, as a message is sent to one list, >>> then forwarded to another list on the same server as the first, then >>> another, and another... well, you see what I mean. The other lists you >>> posted it to hadn't seen the message before you sent it, though, >>> because they're on different servers. Just letting you know! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 8/13/11, Gabe Cazares wrote: >>>> FYI >>>> >>>> ...Gabe >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: David Andrews >>>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 >>>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >>>> corrected >>>> link >>>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Hello, >>>>> >>>>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>>>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >>>>> Ground >>>>>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >>>>> about >>>>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >>>>>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >>>>> >>>>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>>>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers >>>>>list >>>>>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >>>>> book >>>>>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >>>>> purchased >>>>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one >>>>> please >>>>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All >>>>> copies >>>>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >>>>> >>>>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >>>>> If >>>>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>>>>lessons around >>>>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at >>>>> bookstores. >>>>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >>>>>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful >>>>> to >>>>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before >>>>>Roselle >>>>>passed on June 26, 2011. >>>>> >>>>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that >>>>> "Thunder >>>>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >>>>> The >>>>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>>>>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>>>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind >>>>> convention >>>>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >>>>> >>>>>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated >>>>> as >>>>> a >>>>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American >>>>> Humane >>>>>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the >>>>>eight >>>>>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >>>>> problem. >>>>>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >>>>> and >>>>>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>>>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>>>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>>>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >>>>>Alma Mater. >>>>> >>>>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As >>>>> always, >>>>> if >>>>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >>>>> looking >>>>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and >>>>> contact >>>>>information. I hope all is well with you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Best, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Mike Hingson >>>>> >>>>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >>>>> "Speaking with Vision" >>>>>Michael Hingson, President >>>>>(415) 827-4084 >>>>>info at michaelhingson.com >>>>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>>>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>>>>www.michaelhingson.com >>>>> >>>>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year >>>>> at >>>>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >>>>> >>>>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Nfbnet-members-list mailing list >>>> Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gabriel M. Cazares, >>>> 2nd Vice President >>>> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS >>>> (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) >>>> www.nfbtx.org/tabs >>>> Phone: 713-581-0619 >>>> "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest >>>> willing to let them." >>>> -Robert Frost >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 20 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:25:30 -0400 >>> From: Patrick Molloy >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hello everyone: >>> I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds >>> are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something >>> to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more >>> accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days? >>> (I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't >>> compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be >>> appreciated. >>> Thanks, >>> Patrick Molloy >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 >>> ************************************** >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 20 ************************************** From fowlers at syix.com Wed Aug 17 18:33:38 2011 From: fowlers at syix.com (Angela Fowler) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 11:33:38 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Display Message-ID: Hello everyone, I have listed for sale a 44 cell Braille voyager Braille display, and am asking $2500 or best offer. For more information, please visit http://cgi.ebay.com/44-cell-portable-Braille-display-Braille-Voyager-/250870 204537?pt=Calculators &hash=item3a69078879 or email me offlist at fowlers at syix.com best, Angela From dandrews at visi.com Thu Aug 18 00:18:07 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:18:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB of SC Streaming Convention Message-ID: >From: "Steve & Shannon Cook" >To: "'NFB Chapter Presidents discussion > list'" >Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:03:00 -0400 >Thread-index: AcxdOi2tJTQM2L8mTIKDOEcdHQ/rRw== >Subject: [Chapter-presidents] NFB of Streaming Convention > >Hi Everyone, > >The NFB of SC will be streaming our state convention this weekend on August >20, and August 21. Go to www.nfbsc.net and look for the link Tune in to the >live stream beginning Saturday morning. On Saturday the broadcast will >start at 8:45 AM and on Sunday morning at 8:15 AM. Also below is a copy of >the convention agenda. > >Feel free to distribute as needed. > >Steve Cook >President of the Computer Science & Technology Division > >FIFTY-FIFTH ANNUAL CONVENTION > >NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND > >OF SOUTH CAROLINA > >COLUMBIA MARRIOTT > >1200 HAMPTON STREET > >COLUMBIA, SOUTH CAROLINA > >AUGUST 19, 20, & 21, 2011 > > >FRIDAY, AUGUST 19, 2011 > >Registration - Atrium 1 1:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m. > Mrs. Darlene Houck, Chairperson >Exhibits - Atrium 1 - 4 1:00 p.m. - 7:00 p.m. > David Houck, Chairman >Door Prizes - Lenora Robertson, Chairperson > >2:30 - Drop-in - Enjoy refreshments and fellowship with fellow >4:30 p.m. Federationists - Capital 1 > >6:00 p.m. Computer Science and Technology Division - Capital 1 >Steve Cook, President > >6:00 p.m. Resolutions Committee - Capital G&H > Cali Sandel, Chairperson > >7:00 p.m. White Cane Safety Day Walk-A-Thon Committee - > Diplomat 1 - Carey Burriss, Chairman > >7:00 p.m. Blind Merchants' Division - > Capital G&H - Joe Urbanek, President > (Registration begins at 6:40 p.m.) > >7:00 p.m. South Carolina Organization of Blind Students - Carolina F >Avita Tate, President > >7:15 p.m. Ellen Beach Mack Home Award Committee > Robert R. Bell, Chairman (to meet in Mr. Bell's Room) > >8:00 - Reception & Hospitality - Carolina A - E >10:30 p.m. Bring your sweetheart and join us for Prom Night! > > >SATURDAY, AUGUST 20, 2011 > >7:00 a.m. Continental Breakfast - Presidential Suite, Room 1415 > Sponsored by the Blind Merchants' Division > Joe Urbanek, President > >7:00 a.m. Rocky Bottom Retreat and Conference Center of the Blind > Board Breakfast - Capital 1 Donald C. Capps, Chairman > >7:00 - 8:15 a.m. Exhibits - Atrium 1 - 4 > >8:30 a.m. - 12:00 noon and 2:00 - 5:00 p.m. - Registration - Atrium 1 > > >SATURDAY MORNING SESSION - Capital 3 & 4 > >9:00 a.m. Invocation > >9:05 a.m. Welcome & Opening Ceremonies > >9:10 a.m. Greetings by Host Chapter > David Houck - President, Columbia Chapter > >9:15 a.m. Response > Dorcas Campbell, President, Chesterfield County Chapter > >9:20 a.m. Convention Arrangements & Announcements > >9:30 a.m. National Report - Ron Brown, President, NFB of Indiana; >Member of Board of Directors, National Federation of the Blind >10:00 a.m. South Carolina Commission for the Blind > Jim Kirby, Commissioner > >10:30 a.m. South Carolina School for the Deaf and the Blind > Maggie Park, President > >11:00 a.m. Preparing Teachers to Serve Blind Students in Special >Education >Tina Herzberg, Ph.D., Assistant Professor, Director of Special Education - >Visual Impairment Program, USC Upstate, School of Education HEC > >11:15 a.m. Meet the 2011 Scholarship Class > Liz Lewis, Scholarship Committee Chairperson > >11:30 a.m. Presidential Report > Parnell Diggs, Esq. > >12:00 p.m. Adjournment > > >12:30 p.m. - LUNCHEON - Carolina A - E > >Invocation >Introductions >Keynote Address > The Honorable Joe Wilson, US Congressman > SC 2nd Congressional District > > SATURDAY AFTERNOON SESSION - Capital Ballroom > >2:00 p.m. Talking Book Services - David Goble > Director, SC State Library > >2:20 p.m. Rocky Bottom Report - Dr. Donald C. Capps, Chairman > >2:40 p.m. Federation Center of the Blind Report > Frank Coppel, Chairman & David Houck, Executive Director > >3:00 p.m. NFB Newsline - Steve Cook > President, Computer Science & Technology Division > >3:30 p.m. Why I Am a Federationist - Panel Discussion > >3:45 p.m. Blind People in Sports - Ron Brown > >4:00 p.m. Chapter and Division Reports > >5:00 p.m. Dallas, Here We Come! > >5:30 p.m. Adjournment > >BANQUET - Carolina A - E >SATURDAY EVENING >7:00 P.M. > >Invocation >Introductions >Banquet Address..... Mr. Ron Brown >Awards & Presentations >NFB of SC Scholarship Class > > >The Nominating Committee will meet immediately following the Banquet in >Capital 1. > > >SUNDAY, AUGUST 21, 2011 > > 7:00 a.m. Continental Breakfast - Presidential Suite, Room 1415 > Sponsored by the Blind Merchants' Division > Joe Urbanek, President > > 7:00 a.m. NFB of SC Board of Directors Breakfast - Capital 1 > Parnell Diggs, President > >7:00 - 8:15 a.m. Exhibits - Atrium 1 - 4 > > >SUNDAY MORNING SESSION - Capital 3 & 4 > > 8:30 a.m. Devotional and Memorial Service > Marty McKenzie, Member, Board of Directors, NFB of SC > > 8:45 a.m. Chapter & Division Reports - Continued > > 9:30 a.m. Resolutions > > 9:45 a.m. Financial Reports > David Houck, Treasurer, NFB of SC & Rocky Bottom Retreat and >Conference Center of the Blind > >10:00 a.m. Stewardship - Doing Our Fair Share > Imagination Fund, PAC & SUN > >10:30 a.m. Elections and Other Convention Business > >12:00 p.m. Adjournment > > >National Federation of the Blind Pledge > >I pledge to participate actively in the effort of the National Federation of >the Blind to achieve equality, opportunity, and security for the blind; to >support the policies and programs of the Federation; and to abide by its >constitution. > > > >119 S. KILBOURNE RD. >COLUMBIA, SC 29205 >(803) 254-3777 >Fax # (803) 252-5655 >E-mail: nfbsc at sc.rr.com >Web Page : nfbsc.net > > >_______________________________________________ >Chapter-presidents mailing list >Chapter-presidents at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/chapter-presidents_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for Chapter-presidents: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/chapter-presidents_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com From carlymih at earthlink.net Thu Aug 18 02:50:46 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:50:46 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. In-Reply-To: References: <1D1A5FBAF0A542D580C30E099259387C@Cptr233> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110817191607.01ce9388@earthlink.net> Hi, Joshua, If you know said instructor's name, you can often deduce his address on your school's server so, writing him may not be a bad idea. He may not match your words to your name but if you just explain that you are the blind student on his roster and would like to discuss the matter of accommodations, you could see some results to at least have a healthy and leveling dialogue. Experience has shown me that, generally it comes down to a fear of the unexplored. Point of fact, right now I am exploring options and future procedures with n elementary algebra instructor with which I am to study in the Fall. In identifying myself as the blind student and laying some basic things we could both fallow, to make our relationship get off on a healthy foot makes it an easier thing to swallow, for everyone involved. Let us know how it goes! Car 16/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >I'm not able to meet the instructor, in person. >That's the problem. >I'll try to E-mail him, but if he doesn't know me, it would be a >waist of time. >Blessings, Joshua > >On 8/16/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > > I have never heard of "compressed video" class. I am familiar with online > > classes, and hybred class, but not this one. I would imagine that you would > > want to approach it as it were a online class. For example I will be taking > > my second online class this semester, I have already met my professer in > > person, and talked about the things I need that are different > from those who > > are sighted. I have also talked to my professor about the difficulties I > > have with the online part of the class, but more its accessibility. > > > > 2cents worth, > > Marsha > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > > Of Joshua Lester > > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 5:39 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. > > > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > > Well, another semester of college is upon me. > > I start back, this wednesday, at 2 PM, with Intermediate Algebra. > > On thursday, I have American federal Government, and World literature 1. > > I have American Federal Government, every tuesday, and thursday. > > On tuesday night, I have Western Civilization 1, which is why I'm > > telling you this. > > This class would have been no problem, if the normal instructor was > > teaching it, but it's now compressed video, (like my Sociology class, > > from last semester.) > > I hate compressed video, with a passion! > > I've explained it in detail, last year. > > Do any of you have a compressed video class, this year? > > Last semester, it was a teacher that I've met, but this year, I don't > > know this instructor, and he doesn't know me. > > This will be a challenge for me, as a blind person, but I know i can > > overcome it. > > Any advice for dealing with a stranger, via compressed video? > > Thanks, Joshua > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmai > > l.com > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus signature > > database 6380 (20110815) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus signature > > database 6380 (20110815) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Aug 18 03:09:46 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:09:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110817191607.01ce9388@earthlink.net> References: <1D1A5FBAF0A542D580C30E099259387C@Cptr233> <7.0.1.0.2.20110817191607.01ce9388@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Carly: I just E-mailed him, this morning. He hasn't responded. Blessings, Joshua On 8/17/11, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > > > Hi, Joshua, > > If you know said instructor's name, you can often deduce his address > on your school's server so, writing him may not be a bad idea. He > may not match your words to your name but if you just explain that > you are the blind student on his roster and would like to discuss the > matter of accommodations, you could see some results to at least have > a healthy and leveling dialogue. Experience has shown me that, > generally it comes down to a fear of the unexplored. > Point of fact, right now I am exploring options and future procedures > with n elementary algebra instructor with which I am to study in the Fall. > In identifying myself as the blind student and laying some basic > things we could both fallow, to make our relationship get off on a > healthy foot makes it an easier thing to swallow, for everyone involved. > Let us know how it goes! > Car > 16/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>I'm not able to meet the instructor, in person. >>That's the problem. >>I'll try to E-mail him, but if he doesn't know me, it would be a >>waist of time. >>Blessings, Joshua >> >>On 8/16/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> > I have never heard of "compressed video" class. I am familiar with >> > online >> > classes, and hybred class, but not this one. I would imagine that you >> > would >> > want to approach it as it were a online class. For example I will be >> > taking >> > my second online class this semester, I have already met my professer in >> > person, and talked about the things I need that are different >> from those who >> > are sighted. I have also talked to my professor about the difficulties I >> > have with the online part of the class, but more its accessibility. >> > >> > 2cents worth, >> > Marsha >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> > Of Joshua Lester >> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 5:39 PM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. >> > >> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> > Well, another semester of college is upon me. >> > I start back, this wednesday, at 2 PM, with Intermediate Algebra. >> > On thursday, I have American federal Government, and World literature 1. >> > I have American Federal Government, every tuesday, and thursday. >> > On tuesday night, I have Western Civilization 1, which is why I'm >> > telling you this. >> > This class would have been no problem, if the normal instructor was >> > teaching it, but it's now compressed video, (like my Sociology class, >> > from last semester.) >> > I hate compressed video, with a passion! >> > I've explained it in detail, last year. >> > Do any of you have a compressed video class, this year? >> > Last semester, it was a teacher that I've met, but this year, I don't >> > know this instructor, and he doesn't know me. >> > This will be a challenge for me, as a blind person, but I know i can >> > overcome it. >> > Any advice for dealing with a stranger, via compressed video? >> > Thanks, Joshua >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmai >> > l.com >> > >> > >> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >> virus signature >> > database 6380 (20110815) __________ >> > >> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> > >> > http://www.eset.com >> > >> > >> > >> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >> virus signature >> > database 6380 (20110815) __________ >> > >> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> > >> > http://www.eset.com >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From colorado.students at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 05:26:11 2011 From: colorado.students at gmail.com (colorado students) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 23:26:11 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Google talk. Message-ID: <68D59F284B474E0C91388AC72435B657@melissa> Hi has anyone used google talk with a screen reader? I have been asked to find out how accessible it is. The community college is thinking of using it to conduct chats for their online courses. Thank you in advance. Melissa Green Your mind will never forget what your heart won't forgive From daviddod at buffalo.edu Thu Aug 18 06:46:19 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 02:46:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. In-Reply-To: References: <1D1A5FBAF0A542D580C30E099259387C@Cptr233> <7.0.1.0.2.20110817191607.01ce9388@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Give it time and let us know what he says if indeed he does respond. Hopefully, you do get a response from him. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Joshua Lester < jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote: > Carly: > I just E-mailed him, this morning. > He hasn't responded. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/17/11, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > > > > > > Hi, Joshua, > > > > If you know said instructor's name, you can often deduce his address > > on your school's server so, writing him may not be a bad idea. He > > may not match your words to your name but if you just explain that > > you are the blind student on his roster and would like to discuss the > > matter of accommodations, you could see some results to at least have > > a healthy and leveling dialogue. Experience has shown me that, > > generally it comes down to a fear of the unexplored. > > Point of fact, right now I am exploring options and future procedures > > with n elementary algebra instructor with which I am to study in the > Fall. > > In identifying myself as the blind student and laying some basic > > things we could both fallow, to make our relationship get off on a > > healthy foot makes it an easier thing to swallow, for everyone involved. > > Let us know how it goes! > > Car > > 16/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: > >>I'm not able to meet the instructor, in person. > >>That's the problem. > >>I'll try to E-mail him, but if he doesn't know me, it would be a > >>waist of time. > >>Blessings, Joshua > >> > >>On 8/16/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > >> > I have never heard of "compressed video" class. I am familiar with > >> > online > >> > classes, and hybred class, but not this one. I would imagine that you > >> > would > >> > want to approach it as it were a online class. For example I will be > >> > taking > >> > my second online class this semester, I have already met my professer > in > >> > person, and talked about the things I need that are different > >> from those who > >> > are sighted. I have also talked to my professor about the difficulties > I > >> > have with the online part of the class, but more its accessibility. > >> > > >> > 2cents worth, > >> > Marsha > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > >> > Of Joshua Lester > >> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 5:39 PM > >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. > >> > > >> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > >> > Well, another semester of college is upon me. > >> > I start back, this wednesday, at 2 PM, with Intermediate Algebra. > >> > On thursday, I have American federal Government, and World literature > 1. > >> > I have American Federal Government, every tuesday, and thursday. > >> > On tuesday night, I have Western Civilization 1, which is why I'm > >> > telling you this. > >> > This class would have been no problem, if the normal instructor was > >> > teaching it, but it's now compressed video, (like my Sociology class, > >> > from last semester.) > >> > I hate compressed video, with a passion! > >> > I've explained it in detail, last year. > >> > Do any of you have a compressed video class, this year? > >> > Last semester, it was a teacher that I've met, but this year, I don't > >> > know this instructor, and he doesn't know me. > >> > This will be a challenge for me, as a blind person, but I know i can > >> > overcome it. > >> > Any advice for dealing with a stranger, via compressed video? > >> > Thanks, Joshua > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> > nabs-l: > >> > > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmai > >> > l.com > >> > > >> > > >> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > >> virus signature > >> > database 6380 (20110815) __________ > >> > > >> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >> > > >> > http://www.eset.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > >> virus signature > >> > database 6380 (20110815) __________ > >> > > >> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >> > > >> > http://www.eset.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> > nabs-l: > >> > > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >> > > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Aug 18 06:56:40 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 01:56:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. In-Reply-To: References: <1D1A5FBAF0A542D580C30E099259387C@Cptr233> <7.0.1.0.2.20110817191607.01ce9388@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I'll keep you posted. Blessings, Joshua On 8/18/11, David Dodge wrote: > Give it time and let us know what he says if indeed he does respond. > Hopefully, you do get a response from him. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Joshua Lester < > jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote: > >> Carly: >> I just E-mailed him, this morning. >> He hasn't responded. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 8/17/11, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >> > >> > >> > Hi, Joshua, >> > >> > If you know said instructor's name, you can often deduce his address >> > on your school's server so, writing him may not be a bad idea. He >> > may not match your words to your name but if you just explain that >> > you are the blind student on his roster and would like to discuss the >> > matter of accommodations, you could see some results to at least have >> > a healthy and leveling dialogue. Experience has shown me that, >> > generally it comes down to a fear of the unexplored. >> > Point of fact, right now I am exploring options and future procedures >> > with n elementary algebra instructor with which I am to study in the >> Fall. >> > In identifying myself as the blind student and laying some basic >> > things we could both fallow, to make our relationship get off on a >> > healthy foot makes it an easier thing to swallow, for everyone involved. >> > Let us know how it goes! >> > Car >> > 16/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >>I'm not able to meet the instructor, in person. >> >>That's the problem. >> >>I'll try to E-mail him, but if he doesn't know me, it would be a >> >>waist of time. >> >>Blessings, Joshua >> >> >> >>On 8/16/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> >> > I have never heard of "compressed video" class. I am familiar with >> >> > online >> >> > classes, and hybred class, but not this one. I would imagine that you >> >> > would >> >> > want to approach it as it were a online class. For example I will be >> >> > taking >> >> > my second online class this semester, I have already met my professer >> in >> >> > person, and talked about the things I need that are different >> >> from those who >> >> > are sighted. I have also talked to my professor about the >> >> > difficulties >> I >> >> > have with the online part of the class, but more its accessibility. >> >> > >> >> > 2cents worth, >> >> > Marsha >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> >> > Of Joshua Lester >> >> > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 5:39 PM >> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Classes start Wednesday. >> >> > >> >> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> >> > Well, another semester of college is upon me. >> >> > I start back, this wednesday, at 2 PM, with Intermediate Algebra. >> >> > On thursday, I have American federal Government, and World literature >> 1. >> >> > I have American Federal Government, every tuesday, and thursday. >> >> > On tuesday night, I have Western Civilization 1, which is why I'm >> >> > telling you this. >> >> > This class would have been no problem, if the normal instructor was >> >> > teaching it, but it's now compressed video, (like my Sociology class, >> >> > from last semester.) >> >> > I hate compressed video, with a passion! >> >> > I've explained it in detail, last year. >> >> > Do any of you have a compressed video class, this year? >> >> > Last semester, it was a teacher that I've met, but this year, I don't >> >> > know this instructor, and he doesn't know me. >> >> > This will be a challenge for me, as a blind person, but I know i can >> >> > overcome it. >> >> > Any advice for dealing with a stranger, via compressed video? >> >> > Thanks, Joshua >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > nabs-l mailing list >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> > nabs-l: >> >> > >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmai >> >> > l.com >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >> >> virus signature >> >> > database 6380 (20110815) __________ >> >> > >> >> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> > >> >> > http://www.eset.com >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >> >> virus signature >> >> > database 6380 (20110815) __________ >> >> > >> >> > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> > >> >> > http://www.eset.com >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > nabs-l mailing list >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> > nabs-l: >> >> > >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >> > >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From daviddod at buffalo.edu Thu Aug 18 08:44:59 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 04:44:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Online Education PROS and CONS? Message-ID: Hello Everyone, A recent post on the NABS list made me want to bring up this discussion topic. Higher education today is transferring from live in the classroom to the online classroom. A student even posted about compressed video in the NABS list, which I had never heard of before. What do you think are some of the PROS and CONS of online or other less traditional forms of education for blind students? And more importantly, what skills can we use to help us combat the changing face of education? Thanks! David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Thu Aug 18 11:01:15 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 06:01:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Read my new Live Well blog In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello, Please read my new Live Well blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/2011/08/18/living-through-an-insulin-r eaction/ I blog about experiencing insulin reactions at a young age. Thanks for the support. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Aug 18 11:16:20 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 06:16:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Online Education PROS and CONS? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What I've learned, with Compressed video, is that it's always best to be assertive. I have two live instructors, to deal with, today. I start, this afternoon. They postponed my Math classes, and it will be two weeks minimum, before I start them. The CV class, starts, next Tuesday night. I hate night classes, as well. It's always best, as I've stated, to be assertive, and ask the instructors to keep in touch with you. Blessings, Joshua On 8/18/11, David Dodge wrote: > Hello Everyone, > A recent post on the NABS list made me want to bring up this discussion > topic. Higher education today is transferring from live in the classroom to > the online classroom. A student even posted about compressed video in the > NABS list, which I had never heard of before. > > What do you think are some of the PROS and CONS of online or other less > traditional forms of education for blind students? > > And more importantly, what skills can we use to help us combat the changing > face of education? > > Thanks! > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From TAnnis at afb.net Thu Aug 18 14:40:32 2011 From: TAnnis at afb.net (Tara Annis) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:40:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Where to find number of blind persons in each city or county Message-ID: <8FF687EB29A6AD4B8D020BAC05C85CC2244F6DB829@KOCL385270EXCH.msp.tech.int.digex.com> I thought you guys may know the answer of where to find statistics about blind people, specifically the number living in each county or state. I know about AFB web site, but it just gives number per state. Is there a number I could call to get this info, or a web site that is easy to navigate with a screen reader that would have this data? I'm specifically looking for Huntington, West Virginia which is in Cabell county. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 14:55:06 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:55:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Where to find number of blind persons in each city orcounty Message-ID: <4e4d2804.46b0340a.1d20.6513@mx.google.com> Hi Sarah, The tenBroek library might have this info. I'm not sure though. You could check by calling Ed Mormon at 410-659-9314 extension 2225. Hope this helps! Chris Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Tara Annis Message-ID: <31BF4ABFD8E74E658AE944BC56B6EC8F@Loren> I am considering serious the idea of pursuing the lifelong dream of going to law school. If I do go forward, it will be with an online course of study. I would be interested in the thoughts of others as well. I do believe that the future of education is online. But I also realize that this will present a whole new set of challenges. But as is the case with any other set of challenges, they can be overcome and made to work for us. What say you? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dodge" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" ; Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:44 AM Subject: [nabs-l] Online Education PROS and CONS? > Hello Everyone, > A recent post on the NABS list made me want to bring up this discussion > topic. Higher education today is transferring from live in the classroom > to > the online classroom. A student even posted about compressed video in the > NABS list, which I had never heard of before. > > What do you think are some of the PROS and CONS of online or other less > traditional forms of education for blind students? > > And more importantly, what skills can we use to help us combat the > changing > face of education? > > Thanks! > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/isaiah5719%40mchsi.com From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 16:58:20 2011 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:58:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Google talk. In-Reply-To: <68D59F284B474E0C91388AC72435B657@melissa> References: <68D59F284B474E0C91388AC72435B657@melissa> Message-ID: Hi, Mellisa, As far as I know, Google Talk is not very accessible (I have given the program several tries with JAWS over the years). If the community college is looking for an accessible instant messaging program, I would recommend AIM, which can link with the user's gmail account so it basically functions like Google Talk. I have also heard of other blind people using an IM client called Miranda, although from my understanding its set-up can be somewhat complicated. Hope this helps! Katie On 8/18/11, colorado students wrote: > Hi has anyone used google talk with a screen reader? > I have been asked to find out how accessible it is. The community college > is thinking of using it to conduct chats for their online courses. > Thank you in advance. > > Melissa Green > Your mind will never forget what your heart won't forgive > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From adrimpc80 at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 20:31:55 2011 From: adrimpc80 at gmail.com (ADRIANA PULIDO) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 13:31:55 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Technology questions Message-ID: Hi all, I just arrived at the US 10 days ago, and I'm about to start my master's degree at UF. I just have some questions and I hope you guys could help me solve them. I'm trying to get a movile phone number: Which movile company do you suggest me to choose? And which do you think is the best option for a blind person in terms of movile phones? I also would like to know more about the way you acquire jaws licence here in the US. Is it possible for blind people to get a full licence at a lower cost? I really thank you for the information you could provide! -- Adriana Pulido Filóloga en Inglés y músico de la Universidad Nacional de Colombia. Becaria Fulbright para Maestría. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 20:35:59 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 16:35:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Google talk. Message-ID: <4e4d77e9.ccd0dc0a.5379.47f4@mx.google.com> Hi Mellisa, Google Talk is accessible via notetakers if you have one. Chris Chris Nusbaum Sales and Advertising Coordinator Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! Check us out online at: http://sites.google.com/site/tactileartforblind/! Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Katie Wang wrote: Hi has anyone used google talk with a screen reader? I have been asked to find out how accessible it is. The community college is thinking of using it to conduct chats for their online courses. Thank you in advance. Melissa Green Your mind will never forget what your heart won't forgive _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykati e6%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com From daviddod at buffalo.edu Thu Aug 18 21:20:00 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:20:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Online Education PROS and CONS? In-Reply-To: <31BF4ABFD8E74E658AE944BC56B6EC8F@Loren> References: <31BF4ABFD8E74E658AE944BC56B6EC8F@Loren> Message-ID: Personally, I am fond of traditional in class, live, education. However, I think having the option of online and other non-traditional types of courses is crucial. That's so awesome that you are thinking of pursuing law. I think some of the challenges that we face with online education are (1) being able to visually access content, (2) being able to indicate the importance of the accommodations we need without necessarily having live contact with an instructor, (3) staying organized and on task. The last one is true for any class but I think it is a little tougher sometimes online. I do believe these issues can be combated and overcome, but the important thing is to think of strategies for doing so. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Loren Wakefield wrote: > I am considering serious the idea of pursuing the lifelong dream of going > to law school. If I do go forward, it will be with an online course of > study. I would be interested in the thoughts of others as well. > > I do believe that the future of education is online. But I also realize > that this will present a whole new set of challenges. But as is the case > with any other set of challenges, they can be overcome and made to work for > us. What say you? > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dodge" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; > > > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 3:44 AM > Subject: [nabs-l] Online Education PROS and CONS? > > > Hello Everyone, >> A recent post on the NABS list made me want to bring up this discussion >> topic. Higher education today is transferring from live in the classroom >> to >> the online classroom. A student even posted about compressed video in the >> NABS list, which I had never heard of before. >> >> What do you think are some of the PROS and CONS of online or other less >> traditional forms of education for blind students? >> >> And more importantly, what skills can we use to help us combat the >> changing >> face of education? >> >> Thanks! >> >> David >> ------------------------------**---- >> David Dodge >> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> State University of New York Student Assembly >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> isaiah5719%40mchsi.com >> > > > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From dandrews at visi.com Thu Aug 18 23:07:47 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:07:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Hadley eConnect, August 18, 2011 Message-ID: >Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:15:30 -0400 >To: Dandrews at visi.com >From: "The Hadley School for the Blind" >Subject: ADV: Hadley eConnect, August 18, 2011 > > > > >This newsletter is best viewed in HTML format. >header image: eConnect from The Hadley School for the Blind > > >Seminars at Hadley Presents: Home-Based Self-Employment > >Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 >Time: 11:00 a.m. CDT, 16:00 GMT > >Many of us dream of being our own bosses and earning a living from >home. For a variety of reasons, we consider leaving our day jobs and >pursuing different career paths; but the bottom line is there are >many things to consider before making the transition from employee >to operating a business from home. > >Join Seminars at Hadley as Urban Miyares, nationally-recognized >entrepreneur and President of the Disabled Businesspersons >Association, discusses considerations and opportunities for those >pursuing home-based self-employment. > >There is a US $25 fee associated with completing the seminar for >credit (1 CE hour). Professionals interested in receiving continuing >education credit will be required to successfully complete a quiz >and brief survey before a certificate is issued. > >Space in this seminar is limited. Please only register if you know >you are available to attend so that others are not closed out. >To >register for the "Home-Based Self-Employment" seminar on August 30, >follow this link. > >Next Upcoming Seminar... > >Seminars at Hadley Presents: The Forsythe Center for Entrepreneurship >Is Here for You! > >Date: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 > >Time: 2:00 p.m. CDT, 19:00 GMT > >To >learn more "Forsythe Center for Entrepreneurship is Here for You!" >seminar on September 14 and register, follow this link. > >Hadley Featured on The Today Show! >Tune into Today on NBC on to catch a segment that is a look at >Hadley, focusing on how the school helps indviduals live independent >lives. The segment is tentatively set to air on Wednesday, August >24. The main subject is Ubran Miyares, a blinded veteran that has >overcome many obstacles and achieved high levels of success as an >entrpreneur, a sportsman and a hands-on philanthropist who helps >others who are disabled. > >Follow us on: > >facebook logo > >Facebook > >twitter logo > >Twitter > > > > >About >Hadley >Enroll >Now >Donate >Online > >footer image: 'Lifelong Learning since 1920' The Hadley School > > > > > >This message was sent to Dandrews at visi.com from: > >The Hadley School for the Blind | 700 Elm St. | Winnetka, IL 60093 From carlymih at earthlink.net Fri Aug 19 02:14:07 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:14:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Technology questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110818191127.01d42850@earthlink.net> Hi, Adriana, Depends on where you live. I suggest Verizon to which II may be partial since that is the company to which I personally, subscribe. Someone else ought to chime in about JAWS. Where are you from, Adriana? for today, Car At 01:31 PM 8/18/2011, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I just arrived at the US 10 days ago, and I'm about to start my >master's degree at UF. >I just have some questions and I hope you guys could help me solve them. >I'm trying to get a movile phone number: Which movile company do you >suggest me to choose? And which do you think is the best option for a >blind person in terms of movile phones? > >I also would like to know more about the way you acquire jaws licence >here in the US. Is it possible for blind people to get a full licence >at a lower cost? > >I really thank you for the information you could provide! > >-- >Adriana Pulido >Filóloga en Inglés y músico de la Universidad >Nacional de Colombia. Becaria Fulbright para Maestría. > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From jty727 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 02:50:27 2011 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:50:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Technology questions In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110818191127.01d42850@earthlink.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20110818191127.01d42850@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hello, I also have Verizon which to my knowledge there is the Samson Haven which is fairly accessible from what I noticed. I have one myself and have been impressed with it. There is also the new IPhone which in inquiring from a friend who is blind and told me its hard at first, but once you get use to it it is great. As for JAWS I don't know of any special licenses, but last I knew it cost about $800 or so. Justin On 8/18/11, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > > > Hi, Adriana, > > Depends on where you live. I suggest Verizon to > which II may be partial since that is the company > to which I personally, subscribe. > > Someone else ought to chime in about JAWS. > > Where are you from, Adriana? > for today, > Car At 01:31 PM 8/18/2011, you wrote: >>Hi all, >> >>I just arrived at the US 10 days ago, and I'm about to start my >>master's degree at UF. >>I just have some questions and I hope you guys could help me solve them. >>I'm trying to get a movile phone number: Which movile company do you >>suggest me to choose? And which do you think is the best option for a >>blind person in terms of movile phones? >> >>I also would like to know more about the way you acquire jaws licence >>here in the US. Is it possible for blind people to get a full licence >>at a lower cost? >> >>I really thank you for the information you could provide! >> >>-- >>Adriana Pulido >>Filóloga en Inglés y músico de la Universidad >>Nacional de Colombia. Becaria Fulbright para Maestría. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 03:03:41 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 21:03:41 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness, Loss, and Therapy Message-ID: Hi Ashley and all, Yes, the traditional loss models do resonate with many people's initial experiences with blindness, and they aren't totally defeatist-they do allow for the blind person to eventually come to acceptance over time. The major problem with them is the notion that people won't be able to succeed in rehabilitation until they've spent some time wallowing in depression. Deliberately waiting to offer rehabilitation training until the individual has been blind and depressed for a while carries the obvious risk of making the depression and sense of helplessness worse. I think the discussion here brings up an interesting question: Should training centers for the blind provide counseling or psychotherapy either as an optional service, or as a required part of the curriculum. I'm not sure of the best answer to that. Certainly many students at centers would benefit from counseling-about blindness issues or unrelated problems-but should everyone be presumed to need counseling? Is having a counselor or psychologist on the center staff a good idea or does it promote the notion that blind people all need therapy? I'd be curious to hear your opinions on this. Just as an aside, the summer camp for the blind I mentioned earlier did have weekly group counseling as part of its programming. Personally, I thought it was totally bogus, and in retrospect I realize that was probably because we rarely discussed blindness or other related experiences in the group. Sometimes we did discuss common experiences and challenges with adolescence, but because we were all so different, I didn't really feel like I was sharing meaningful ideas with my peers about common issues. I probably derived more therapeutic benefit from commiserating about blindness-related issues with blind friends in late-night phone calls than I did in the group. It also seemed a bit weird to be in group therapy generally. But, perhaps if done right this kind of peer support group could offer some benefit. Arielle On 8/16/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Arielle, > I'd like to read a little of his book even though I won't agree with Mr. > Carroll. > No, probably not all of it, but a little to hear straight from the source. > Good post that seemed objective. I, too, have heard theories on adjustment > to blindness. > Yes such a loss theory does oversimplify the situation. But to me it makes > some sense; although you are right that someone may get over the denial and > depression if their family is supportive and encourages them to move on and > get blindness skills. > People cope with losses differently and as with any loss your environment > and personal attitude helps you overcome such a loss. > > I've certainly met people going through vision loss and yes they are > depressed a little bit. Imagine losing vision and knowing you will have to > give up your driver's license? > Can you imagine reading the paper or browsing magazines and then no longer > being able to read the paper at breakfast or browse the news stand and > magazine stand? > These are two big losses for someone who had full vision or enough vision to > function in a sighted manner. > Yes we can get around; but public transit has a lot to be desired; and if > you want to go out on weekends, well most buses do not run on weekends. Heck > most buses stop running at mid evening. > American society really does not make public transit a priority! We as a > society favor the driver; so giving up those car keys is a huge loss. > Then there is reading. Most books are not produced in alternative format; > most newspapers are not accessible either. > As someone who was legally blind for their life, I > am used to these constraints. I never browsed the clothes rack or the news > stand; I never picked up the local Journal or Gazette and read it. > So for me, its life, nothing I've missed. But if you have RP and read or > drove 20 years, I can understand that it’s a loss. Can you adapt and go on > with life? > Of course you can. But I can see why the loss is a prevalent theory. I know > people who are going through vision loss due to RP or something and its > hard. Even if they embrace learning new skills, its harder. For instance, > some of them lack the finger sensativity to feel the braille dots; they can > read slowly or they cannot read at all. > > Anyway, the staff at Carroll seemed up beat and nice. They gave the youth > age appropriate experiences and an introduction to blindness sports and > daily living. > No one implied blindness was a bad thing to us students. I guess some staff > members still hold that loss theory in their heads though; they certainly > did not show it. > Father Carroll founded it and died a long time ago. I'm not > sure how much the center is the same now. There is certainly new staff and > probably new ideas in the current center. > No it its not NFB philosophy. Just saying they might have a more positive > attitude and higher expectations than the founder did. > > Okay, I'll go get the book this week. Can't read all of it; I might get > depressed. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:43 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness a dying? > > Hi all, > Interesting. I didn't realize the founder of the Carroll Center was > the same guy who wrote "Blindness: What it Is, What it Does and How to > Live with It". I haven't actually read the book myself, but I have > read other articles who have cited it, and in fact I read up quite a > bit on Carroll's philosophy as part of a grant proposal I recently > wrote. > Fr. Carroll was one of several blindness rehab scholars in the 1960's > and 1970's who advocated a "loss model" explaining how people adjust > to blindness. These loss models postulate that losing one's eyesight > is a lot like experiencing the death of a loved one and that people > cope with it in similar fashion by going through various stages of > grief, like denial, depression, anger and despair, before they > eventually come to accept the loss and move forward. My understanding > is that loss-model advocates generally believed people who lose their > sight are not "ready" to begin getting training in alternative > techniques until they have had time to process their sadness and > grief. What is so unfortunate about these kinds of theories is that > they imply everyone reacts to blindness in the same way, and that > these negative emotional reactions are inevitable and will happen > regardless of what rehab professionals or others (like family members, > spouses, etc.) do. Luckily, more recently scholars in the field have > noticed that not everyone who becomes blind experiences depression or > grief and that some people actually do quite well with early training > in alternative skills. Scholars have also begun to understand that the > reactions of the important people in a blind person's life can play a > huge role in determining how that blind person copes and that much of > the depression, frustration, etc. that come from blindness actually > come from other people's negative reactions, as well as the temporary > sense of incompetence that comes from not knowing alternative skills. > The problem with theories like Carroll's, I think, is that they assume > blindness affects everyone equally. Of course many of us who lose > vision experience temporary depression and grief, and of course even > those of us who have been blind our whole lives have times when we > hate blindness. But clearly not everyone reacts in the same way or > finds their lives dominated by these negative feelings. It's similar > to research we often see showing how blind children on average are > deficient or delayed in all kinds of developmental areas. This may be > true on average, but it's not true for all blind kids. These kinds of > conclusions that focus on blind people as a group may be accurate, but > they're oversimplified. They fail to account for all the factors that > allow some of us to end up better-adjusted than others. What > distinguishes newly blind folks who get depressed from those who > don't? What separates blind kids who start crawling or walking on time > from those who don't? These kinds of questions, I think, are rarely > asked, but they're much more important than the questions that lump > all blind people together, because they show us what controllable > factors make real differences in our lives. If we don't ask these > kinds of questions, we end up concluding that blindness is a kind of > equal-opportunity buzzkill that will leave all of us maladjusted and > unproductive regardless of what we do. And that's depressing! > Arielle > > On 8/16/11, chris nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Justin, >> >> Don't hold your breath for having a Federationist take over the >> Carroll Center! Well, it may happen, but I don't see it happening >> soon, as they've worked very closely with the AFB (I think) and a lot >> of them still believe in what FR Carroll did. >> >> Chris >> >> On 8/16/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Hello Justin and everyone, >>> >>> You can read all about FR. Carroll's belief about blindness being a >>> "Dying" in his book "Blindness: What it is, What it does,and How to Live >>> With It." You should be able to get the book from NLS, Learning Allie, or >>> Bookshare.org. I read it in the late 1970s and became totally depressed >>> after reading three chapters of it. Dr. Jernigan quoted from it in his >>> address: "Blindness Handicap or Characteristic." >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:42 AM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> >>> >>> I just want to summarize my view on the Carroll Center: >>> >>> If it's the only opportunity you have to get some skills that you don't >>> already have, it can benefit you. If you have the opportunity to attend >>> an >>> NFB training center (or BISM, which Amy Phelps runs with an NFB >>> philosophy), >>> choose it over the Carroll Center 100 out of 100 times. >>> >>> I've never heard the "dying" thing about Father Carroll, but it does not >>> surprise me. I would love to get a good Federationist to take over the >>> management of the Carroll Center. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> Justin M. Salisbury >>> Undergraduate Student >>> The University Honors Program >>> East Carolina University >>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> >>> “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD >>> >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org] >>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:00 PM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 >>> >>> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (David Dunphy) >>> 2. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (Justin Young) >>> 3. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Kirt Manwaring) >>> 4. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Heather Field) >>> 5. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >>> 6. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (chris nusbaum) >>> 7. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >>> 8. announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: new email >>> address for the business (chris nusbaum) >>> 9. The Carroll Center for the Blind (Salisbury, Justin Mark) >>> 10. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (David Dodge) >>> 11. Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >>> corrected link (Gabe Cazares) >>> 12. AMerican Hero Dog Award (Beth) >>> 13. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (Peter Donahue) >>> 14. sending a message to all Gmail contacts? (chris nusbaum) >>> 15. Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier >>> (chris nusbaum) >>> 16. Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. >>> (chris nusbaum) >>> 17. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (chris nusbaum) >>> 18. Re: AMerican Hero Dog Award (chris nusbaum) >>> 19. Re: Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move >>> and a corrected link (chris nusbaum) >>> 20. accessible iPod (Patrick Molloy) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:11:26 -0400 >>> From: David Dunphy >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi Everybody! >>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >>> nabslinkaudio.org. >>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >>> spam, etc. >>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >>> to a new provider. >>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >>> online again. >>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >>> said messages and no one else >>> and >>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >>> validated by the owner >>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >>> once you see it! >>> If you have any questions, please email me at >>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >>> Thank you. >>> >From David >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:29:42 -0400 >>> From: Justin Young >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> No problem. I did three different programs. In the Summer of 2006 I >>> did the Youth In Transition(YIT) program which is heavily focused upon >>> daily living skills. There were classes from 8:45-3pm Mon-Fri. Then >>> there was activities that you did clubs and stuff like that. Some >>> were fun and some not really. You have the opportunity to do fencing, >>> and other evening activities. Some of the evening ones were more >>> arts/crafts style if I recall. Its hard to say with the >>> extracurriculars cuz they changed ever year. The ones whichwere the >>> same were Fencing, Sailing, shopping and others which I forget. The >>> next Summer I did the Real World of Work Experience Program(RWWE) >>> which was 5 weeks where the first week is doing the classes to make >>> sure you can do all of it because like laundry you had to wait until >>> after classes were over or on weekends as well. Once you begin >>> working its great I must say. When I did it they selected a place for >>> you and you were on the job site for Mon, Wed, Fri and Tues & Thu you >>> went on Field Trips. Oh yes I forgot about those we went on those as >>> well in YIT. They were to fun places, movies, golfing & stuff like >>> that. For the RWWE program though on Thursdays we went on Work >>> related field trips. Like once we went to the State House in Boston >>> and tried to go to Cape Cod, but the van I was in broke down so >>> couldn't do that one. There were still the activities in the >>> afternoon and evening. I didn't really do the ones in the afternoon >>> because I got back from work to late always. I worked at the Newton >>> Welseley Hospital in the Receiving Department which was fun after I >>> got a hand of what I was doing, the layout of the place and confidence >>> that I could do it all. I delivered to depts mainly. For my Final >>> Summer I and 4 others were involved in the pilot program of Transition >>> To College(TTC) in the Summer of 2008. This program was 4 weeks where >>> we did 2 at the Carroll Center like the YIT program and 2 at Boston >>> College. The 2 weeks of the classes is to ensure we could do it while >>> at BC. There was also a 2 week period before the program started for >>> all in the program to do the Computing to College which is a computer >>> program based in the Technology Center at the Carroll Center. I >>> couldn't do this portion because I was finishing High School. While >>> at BC we attended various seminars during the day and after I think >>> 3pm it was we were free to do whatever we liked. We stayed in a dorm >>> which was a suite style and had a supervisor in one of the 5 rooms >>> with us. We were given each day $15 for food and had to give the >>> supervisor all receipts of what we spent. We definitely got our >>> exercise because our dorm was about a mile from the Education Building >>> where our seminars took place. We went on a field trip or two I don't >>> remember. I remember we went to either Boston University or one of >>> the UMass schools. I and a few of the others in the program took the >>> train to go places once or twice and a coffee shop was right on the >>> edge of the college and not far from our dorm. So, I went there >>> sometimes. >>> >>> It was a great three years full of making friends. The cons you >>> asked? Hmm, well it really depends upon how you look at which program >>> you are in. I would say that sometimes you were forced to do things >>> you didn't really want to do which is why I really liked the BC >>> living. I hope this helps you. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> On 8/13/11, David Dodge wrote: >>>> Justin, >>>> Thanks for your e-mail. Clearly, you have a great deal of experience >>>> with >>>> the center. Can you tell me about the program you were in, what you >>>> learned, >>>> and how it helped you? Were there any cons to the center? Thanks so >>>> much. >>>> >>>> David >>>> ---------------------------------- >>>> David Dodge >>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>>> English Major >>>> University at Buffalo >>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Justin Young wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi David, >>>>> >>>>> I have experience with this center since I spent 3 consecutive summers >>>>> at the Corroll Center. I would be happy to answer any questions you >>>>> may have. >>>>> >>>>> Justin Young >>>>> >>>>> On 8/12/11, David Dodge wrote: >>>>> > Hello Everyone, >>>>> > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the >>>>> > Blind >>>>> in >>>>> > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>>>> center? >>>>> > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >>>>> > >>>>> > David >>>>> > ---------------------------------- >>>>> > David Dodge >>>>> > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>>> > State University of New York Student Assembly >>>>> > English Major >>>>> > University at Buffalo >>>>> > 306 Clemens Hall >>>>> > Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>>> > daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> > nabs-l: >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:52:23 -0600 >>> From: Kirt Manwaring >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> Peter, >>> I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time >>> using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their >>> own, I guess. >>> Warmly, >>> Kirt >>> >>> On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> Hello Joseph and everyone, >>>> >>>> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. >>>> It >>>> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access >>>> for >>>> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping >>>> to >>>> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio >>>> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or >>>> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: >>>> http://www.blio.com >>>> >>>> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a >>>> great >>>> product. Now to add more books to our collection. >>>> >>>> Peter Donahue >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be >>>> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works >>>> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* >>>> >>>> Joseph - kf7qzc >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>>>>Listers, >>>>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>Jan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is >>>>>free. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>Behalf >>>>> >>>>>Of Anjelina >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >>>>> >>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>>>>from >>>>> >>>>>paying the annual fee. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>>From: Marsha Drenth >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >>>>> >>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >>>>> >>>>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to >>>>>use >>>>> >>>>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >>>>> >>>>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't >>>>>use >>>>> >>>>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >>>>> >>>>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie >>>>>books. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>>signature >>>>> >>>>>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >>>>> >>>>>com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Anjelina >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>>>> >>>>>l.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:27:44 -0500 >>> From: "Heather Field" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> Hi Kurt, >>> I downloaded Kindle for PC and then bought an ebook with speech enabled. >>> However, I believe I still need an accessibility plugin or some such >>> add-on >>> to make it fully accessible. As you're having great success with using >>> Kindle, can you please advise me as to what I need to do so I can read my >>> ebook. >>> >>> Thanks so much. >>> Heather >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kirt Manwaring >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:52 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >>> >>> Peter, >>> I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time >>> using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their >>> own, I guess. >>> Warmly, >>> Kirt >>> >>> On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> Hello Joseph and everyone, >>>> >>>> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. >>>> It >>>> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access >>>> for >>>> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping >>>> to >>>> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio >>>> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or >>>> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: >>>> http://www.blio.com >>>> >>>> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a >>>> great >>>> product. Now to add more books to our collection. >>>> >>>> Peter Donahue >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be >>>> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works >>>> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* >>>> >>>> Joseph - kf7qzc >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>>>>Listers, >>>>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>Jan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is >>>>>free. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>Behalf >>>>> >>>>>Of Anjelina >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >>>>> >>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>>>>from >>>>> >>>>>paying the annual fee. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>>From: Marsha Drenth >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >>>>> >>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >>>>> >>>>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to >>>>>use >>>>> >>>>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >>>>> >>>>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't >>>>>use >>>>> >>>>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >>>>> >>>>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie >>>>>books. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>>signature >>>>> >>>>>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >>>>> >>>>>com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Anjelina >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>>>> >>>>>l.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/missheather%40comcast.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:49:43 -0400 >>> From: >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> Message-ID: <1DD7E36205204D098FAF6758FBF60CAC at OwnerPC> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David Dunphy >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> >>> Hi Everybody! >>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >>> nabslinkaudio.org. >>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >>> spam, etc. >>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >>> to a new provider. >>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >>> online again. >>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >>> said messages and no one else >>> and >>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >>> validated by the owner >>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >>> once you see it! >>> If you have any questions, please email me at >>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >>> Thank you. >>> >From David >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:09:38 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> Technical problems, technical problems! First, nabslinkaudio.org's Web >>> hosting service motherboard fried, and I just got an email saying that >>> AAR will be temporarily offline! Wow! I completely understand. Thanks >>> for the update, and I look forward to listening to the meeting! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 8/13/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>>> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: David Dunphy >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>>> >>>> Hi Everybody! >>>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >>>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >>>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >>>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >>>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >>>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >>>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >>>> nabslinkaudio.org. >>>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >>>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >>>> spam, etc. >>>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >>>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >>>> to a new provider. >>>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >>>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >>>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >>>> online again. >>>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >>>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >>>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >>>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >>>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >>>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >>>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >>>> said messages and no one else >>>> and >>>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >>>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >>>> validated by the owner >>>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >>>> once you see it! >>>> If you have any questions, please email me at >>>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >>>> Thank you. >>>> >From David >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 7 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:00:54 -0400 >>> From: >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>> Message-ID: <94D3A84AC9CB48E483A5C87D966FF189 at OwnerPC> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> David, >>> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation >>> adult >>> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational >>> transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a >>> short summer experience to comment on. >>> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult >>> program >>> because I am thinking of going back for training. >>> >>> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. >>> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it?s >>> a >>> shorter program since they have a new program called >>> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the >>> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I >>> known >>> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE >>> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The >>> teens >>> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. >>> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I >>> was >>> friends with the RWWE students though. >>> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of >>> field >>> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and >>> RWWE >>> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. >>> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each >>> other >>> since there was some overlap in experience. >>> >>> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living >>> skills. >>> Its like the youth version of the rehab program. >>> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. >>> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students >>> had >>> club activities and in the evening >>> there were more activities and some of them were off campus. >>> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class >>> period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra >>> curriculars >>> and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already knew. I >>> wonder >>> if the adult program is more individualized with a good evaluation of >>> skills before you learn skills in class. >>> >>> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, >>> and >>> information technology. In communication some students learned braille >>> but >>> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase >>> a >>> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. >>> In >>> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on >>> cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and >>> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found >>> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained >>> things. >>> There was another student in my class. We made >>> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had >>> a >>> lesson on putting on lipstick too. >>> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and >>> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. >>> >>> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and >>> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the >>> bus. >>> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to >>> Newton >>> center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I >>> had >>> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. >>> >>> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was >>> ten >>> years ago! >>> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay >>> objects and painted them. >>> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or >>> goal >>> ball. >>> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to >>> swim, >>> but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping >>> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. >>> >>> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually >>> fun. >>> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where >>> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and >>> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to >>> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and >>> museums. >>> >>> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student >>> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision >>> impaired. >>> >>> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David Dodge >>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>> >>> Hello Everyone, >>> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind >>> in >>> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>> center? >>> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >>> >>> David >>> ---------------------------------- >>> David Dodge >>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 8 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:28:47 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> , Blind Talk Mailing List >>> , >>> "g List\" , \"nfbmd\" , >>> \"nabs\" , \"maryland-l\" , >>> \"Ross >>> Hammond\" , \"alena roberts\"" >>> >>> Cc: Ariana Lipka , ariannas.art at gmail.com >>> Subject: [nabs-l] announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: >>> new email address for the business >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I'd like to let everyone know of a new and exciting change in our >>> painting business for the blind and sighted, Arianna's Art, Inc. We've >>> just created an email account where you can send us questions, >>> comments, suggestions, or any other information regarding our >>> business. If you would like to advertise our product by displaying it >>> at your next NFB, ACB, or any other meeting or event, or would like to >>> advertise us in any other way, you can also contact us via this email. >>> Our email address is ariannas.art at gmail.com. We're also trying to >>> create an email list for people who would like to recieve >>> announcements from us. In other words, if you specify that you would >>> like to be added to our email list, we'll add your email address to >>> our contacts list, and whenever we have a new announcement, we'll >>> email it to you. If you'd like to recieve announcements from us, >>> please leave us your name and email address at the above email. The >>> email address once again is ariannas.art at gmail.com. Arianna has two >>> n's and there's no apostrophe before the s. Hope to hear from you >>> soon! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 9 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:57:40 +0000 >>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" >>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94 at SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >>> >>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >>> with >>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>> >>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >>> all >>> of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, >>> I >>> highly recommend it. >>> >>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>> Real >>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>> experience >>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>> that >>> I >>> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so >>> I >>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >>> use >>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >>> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >>> but >>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >>> I >>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>> the >>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >>> all >>> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >>> visual field and acuity. >>> >>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >>> I >>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>> chosen. >>> >>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence >>> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>> devices, >>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we >>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >>> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>> students >>> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities >>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >>> saw >>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>> were >>> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>> talk," >>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >>> led >>> to self-awareness and confidence building. >>> >>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>> skills >>> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >>> by >>> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>> responsible >>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>> had >>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >>> they >>> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at >>> a >>> distance while we were in the environment. >>> >>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >>> end >>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They >>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>> center >>> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >>> a >>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but >>> it >>> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>> dining >>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate >>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>> counter-clockwise direction. >>> >>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >>> it >>> is not the very best option available. >>> >>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> >>> Justin M. Salisbury >>> Undergraduate Student >>> The University Honors Program >>> East Carolina University >>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> >>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 10 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:03:06 -0400 >>> From: David Dodge >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> Thanks so much. He is doing the Youth in Transition program and is >>> interested in doing some other programs as well. Good to know you had >>> very >>> positive experiences. >>> >>> David >>> ---------------------------------- >>> David Dodge >>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM, wrote: >>> >>>> David, >>>> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation >>>> adult >>>> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational >>>> transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have >>>> a >>>> short summer experience to comment on. >>>> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult >>>> program >>>> because I am thinking of going back for training. >>>> >>>> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. >>>> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now >>>> it?s >>>> a >>>> shorter program since they have a new program called >>>> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the >>>> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I >>>> known >>>> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE >>>> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The >>>> teens >>>> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. >>>> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I >>>> was friends with the RWWE students though. >>>> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of >>>> field >>>> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and >>>> RWWE >>>> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. >>>> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each >>>> other >>>> since there was some overlap in experience. >>>> >>>> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living >>>> skills. >>>> Its like the youth version of the rehab program. >>>> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. >>>> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students >>>> had club activities and in the evening >>>> there were more activities and some of them were off campus. >>>> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class >>>> period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra >>>> curriculars and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already >>>> knew. I wonder if the adult program is more individualized with a good >>>> evaluation of skills before you learn skills in class. >>>> >>>> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, >>>> and >>>> information technology. In communication some students learned braille >>>> but >>>> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to >>>> erase >>>> a >>>> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. >>>> In >>>> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on >>>> cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and >>>> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found >>>> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained >>>> things. >>>> There was another student in my class. We made >>>> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We >>>> had >>>> a >>>> lesson on putting on lipstick too. >>>> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and >>>> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. >>>> >>>> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing >>>> and >>>> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the >>>> bus. >>>> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to >>>> Newton >>>> center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I >>>> had >>>> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. >>>> >>>> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was >>>> ten years ago! >>>> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay >>>> objects and painted them. >>>> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or >>>> goal >>>> ball. >>>> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to >>>> swim, >>>> but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping >>>> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. >>>> >>>> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually >>>> fun. >>>> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where >>>> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and >>>> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us >>>> to >>>> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and >>>> museums. >>>> >>>> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one >>>> student >>>> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision >>>> impaired. >>>> >>>> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. >>>> -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge >>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>>> >>>> Hello Everyone, >>>> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind >>>> in >>>> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>>> center? >>>> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >>>> >>>> David >>>> ------------------------------**---- >>>> David Dodge >>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>>> English Major >>>> University at Buffalo >>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 11 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:59:07 -0500 >>> From: Gabe Cazares >>> To: members , tabs_students >>> , nabs-l >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the >>> move and a corrected link >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> FYI >>> >>> ...Gabe >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: David Andrews >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 >>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >>> corrected >>> link >>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>>> >>>>Hello, >>>> >>>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >>>>Ground >>>>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >>>>about >>>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >>>>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >>>> >>>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers >>>> list >>>>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >>>>book >>>>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >>>>purchased >>>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one >>>>please >>>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All >>>>copies >>>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >>>> >>>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >>>>If >>>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>>>lessons around >>>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at >>>>bookstores. >>>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >>>>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to >>>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before >>>> Roselle >>>>passed on June 26, 2011. >>>> >>>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that "Thunder >>>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >>>>The >>>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>>>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind >>>>convention >>>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >>>> >>>>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated >>>>as >>>>a >>>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane >>>>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the >>>> eight >>>>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >>>>problem. >>>>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >>>>and >>>>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >>>>Alma Mater. >>>> >>>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As always, >>>>if >>>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >>>>looking >>>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact >>>>information. I hope all is well with you. >>>> >>>> >>>>Best, >>>> >>>> >>>>Mike Hingson >>>> >>>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >>>> "Speaking with Vision" >>>>Michael Hingson, President >>>>(415) 827-4084 >>>>info at michaelhingson.com >>>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>>>www.michaelhingson.com >>>> >>>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at >>>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >>>> >>>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nfbnet-members-list mailing list >>> Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Gabriel M. Cazares, >>> 2nd Vice President >>> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS >>> (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) >>> www.nfbtx.org/tabs >>> Phone: 713-581-0619 >>> "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest >>> willing to let them." >>> -Robert Frost >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 12 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:57:26 -0600 >>> From: Beth >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award >>> Message-ID: <4e47aa32.87cee70a.3a4e.ffffa021 at mx.google.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed >>> >>> Hi, guys. >>> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear >>> of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for >>> her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys >>> have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog >>> myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I >>> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been >>> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've >>> heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in >>> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all >>> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. >>> Thanks. >>> Beth >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 13 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:08:02 -0500 >>> From: "Peter Donahue" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> Message-ID: <003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43 at yourfsyly0jtwn> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >>> >>> Hello Justin and everyone, >>> >>> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll >>> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw >>> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What >>> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>> "Dying." >>> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>> need >>> once and it will last you a life time. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> >>> >>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >>> with >>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>> >>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >>> all >>> of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, >>> I >>> highly recommend it. >>> >>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>> Real >>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>> experience >>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>> that >>> I >>> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so >>> I >>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >>> use >>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >>> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >>> but >>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >>> I >>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>> the >>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >>> all >>> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >>> visual field and acuity. >>> >>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >>> I >>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>> chosen. >>> >>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence >>> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>> devices, >>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we >>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >>> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>> students >>> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities >>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >>> saw >>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>> were >>> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>> talk," >>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >>> led >>> to self-awareness and confidence building. >>> >>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>> skills >>> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >>> by >>> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>> responsible >>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>> had >>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >>> they >>> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at >>> a >>> distance while we were in the environment. >>> >>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >>> end >>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They >>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>> center >>> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >>> a >>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but >>> it >>> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>> dining >>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate >>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>> counter-clockwise direction. >>> >>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >>> it >>> is not the very best option available. >>> >>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> >>> Justin M. Salisbury >>> Undergraduate Student >>> The University Honors Program >>> East Carolina University >>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> >>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 14 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:32:38 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] sending a message to all Gmail contacts? >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I have a question for all Gmail users. Is there a way that I can send >>> a message to all Gmail contacts at the same time? Is there some kind >>> of "send to all" button like there is on my mom's Yahoo account? I'm >>> asking because, as I posted last night, our business (Arianna's Art, >>> Inc.) has created a new Gmail account where people can send us >>> questions, feedback, orders, etc. We'd also like to create a contacts >>> list for our Gmail account, and send out an email to all our contacts >>> when we have a new announcement or a piece of news. So, can I do this >>> in Gmail without Google group? If I can't do this with JAWS in Basic >>> HTML mode, I'll just create a list on Google Groups. But, can I send >>> one message to all contacts? Thanks! >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 15 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:34:34 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Blind Talk Mailing List >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors >>> flier >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" >>> >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:38:39 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier >>> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." >>> >>> >>> *Employment Mentoring Project* >>> >>> *Seeking Professionals Who Are Blind * >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Remember the challenges you faced in finding your first job?? >>> >>> Would you like to help a college student who is also blind begin their >>> career in a profession similar to yours?? >>> >>> We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with >>> mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. >>> >>> *BENEFITS* >>> >>> ?Opportunity to mentor a college student who is blind and is interested >>> in working in your profession >>> >>> ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community >>> >>> *RESPONSIBILITIES* >>> >>> ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after your mentee >>> graduates >>> >>> ?Help your mentee develop career goals and offer opportunities for job >>> shadowing >>> >>> ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month >>> >>> ?Complete online activities monthly >>> >>> ** >>> >>> *ELIGIBILITY* >>> >>> ?Legal blindness >>> >>> ?Currently employed or retired from a professional career >>> >>> ?Has basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility >>> software/hardware needed to access online materials >>> >>> *INTERESTED?* >>> >>> ?*Complete the eligibility survey at >>> *http://tiny.cc/mentor-professionals** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State >>> University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at >>> rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: >>> 1-800-675-7782 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 16 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:37:04 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> , Blind Talk Mailing List >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees >>> flier. >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" >>> >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:37:29 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. >>> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." >>> >>> >>> *Employment Mentoring Project* >>> >>> *For Students Who Are Legally Blind* >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Is finding a job your next big step after graduation?? >>> >>> Would you like the opportunity to work with a mentor who is also blind >>> and has experience in your profession of interest?? >>> >>> We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with >>> mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. >>> >>> *BENEFITS* >>> >>> ?Potential to work with a career mentor who is blind >>> >>> ?Access to career development resources >>> >>> ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community >>> >>> *RESPONSIBILITIES* >>> >>> ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after graduation >>> >>> ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month >>> >>> ?Complete online activities monthly >>> >>> ** >>> >>> *ELIGIBILITY* >>> >>> ?Undergraduate or graduate student, under age 35, who: >>> >>> oIs legally blind >>> >>> oPlans to graduate within 2-3 semesters after January 2012 >>> >>> oExpects to seek employment after graduation >>> >>> oHas basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility >>> software/hardware needed to access online materials >>> >>> *INTERESTED?* >>> >>> ?*Complete eligibility survey online at *http://tiny.cc/mentor-students** >>> >>> ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State >>> University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at >>> rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: >>> 1-800-675-7782 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 17 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:50:16 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >>> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >>> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >>> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >>> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >>> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >>> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >>> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >>> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >>> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >>> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >>> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >>> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> Hello Justin and everyone, >>>> >>>> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll >>>> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >>>> saw >>>> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >>>> What >>>> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>>> "Dying." >>>> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>>> need >>>> once and it will last you a life time. >>>> >>>> Peter Donahue >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>>> >>>> >>>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >>>> with >>>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>>> >>>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>>> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >>>> all >>>> of the other students involved. If only considering the social >>>> frontier, >>>> I >>>> highly recommend it. >>>> >>>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>>> Real >>>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>>> experience >>>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>>> that >>>> >>>> I >>>> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, >>>> so >>>> I >>>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >>>> use >>>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>>> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>>> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >>>> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >>>> but >>>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >>>> I >>>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>>> the >>>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >>>> all >>>> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >>>> visual field and acuity. >>>> >>>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >>>> I >>>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>>> chosen. >>>> >>>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >>>> confidence >>>> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >>>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>>> devices, >>>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >>>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >>>> we >>>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >>>> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>>> students >>>> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >>>> activities >>>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >>>> saw >>>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>>> were >>>> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>>> talk," >>>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >>>> led >>>> to self-awareness and confidence building. >>>> >>>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>>> skills >>>> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >>>> by >>>> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>>> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >>>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>>> responsible >>>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>>> had >>>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >>>> they >>>> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us >>>> at >>>> a >>>> distance while we were in the environment. >>>> >>>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >>>> end >>>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >>>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >>>> They >>>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>>> center >>>> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >>>> a >>>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >>>> but >>>> it >>>> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>>> dining >>>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >>>> navigate >>>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>>> counter-clockwise direction. >>>> >>>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >>>> it >>>> is not the very best option available. >>>> >>>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Justin M. Salisbury >>>> Undergraduate Student >>>> The University Honors Program >>>> East Carolina University >>>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>>> >>>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>>> change >>>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 18 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:58:53 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi Beth, >>> >>> Amen to that! I'm going to try on my PC, as the site was a little >>> weird with my BrailleNote, so it may be better with JAWS. I have >>> recently finished reading Thunder Dog (my friend picked a copy up for >>> me at national convention, as I wasn't there... what a bad >>> Federationist I am, *smiles) and it's a wonderfull story. You'll love >>> it! Enjoy the book! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> P.S. Does anybody know when the deadline for voting for Roselle is? >>> Did Mike mention this in one of his emails, and I just didn't pay >>> attention? >>> >>> On 8/14/11, Beth wrote: >>>> Hi, guys. >>>> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear >>>> of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for >>>> her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys >>>> have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog >>>> myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I >>>> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been >>>> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've >>>> heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in >>>> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all >>>> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. >>>> Thanks. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 19 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:49:13 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on >>> the move and a corrected link >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi Gabe, >>> >>> Just FYI, you don't need to send emails to the NABS list if they come >>> across as posted to the NFBnet-members list. When Dave Andrews posts >>> something to the NFBnet-members or NFBnet-master lists, it goes to >>> everybody who's on any NFBnet lists. This reduces Inbox clutter for >>> people who are on multiple lists, as a message is sent to one list, >>> then forwarded to another list on the same server as the first, then >>> another, and another... well, you see what I mean. The other lists you >>> posted it to hadn't seen the message before you sent it, though, >>> because they're on different servers. Just letting you know! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 8/13/11, Gabe Cazares wrote: >>>> FYI >>>> >>>> ...Gabe >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: David Andrews >>>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 >>>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >>>> corrected >>>> link >>>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Hello, >>>>> >>>>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>>>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >>>>> Ground >>>>>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >>>>> about >>>>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >>>>>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >>>>> >>>>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>>>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers >>>>>list >>>>>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >>>>> book >>>>>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >>>>> purchased >>>>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one >>>>> please >>>>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All >>>>> copies >>>>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >>>>> >>>>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >>>>> If >>>>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>>>>lessons around >>>>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at >>>>> bookstores. >>>>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >>>>>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful >>>>>to >>>>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before >>>>>Roselle >>>>>passed on June 26, 2011. >>>>> >>>>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that >>>>>"Thunder >>>>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >>>>> The >>>>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>>>>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>>>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind >>>>> convention >>>>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >>>>> >>>>>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated >>>>> as >>>>> a >>>>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American >>>>>Humane >>>>>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the >>>>>eight >>>>>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >>>>> problem. >>>>>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >>>>> and >>>>>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>>>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>>>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>>>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >>>>>Alma Mater. >>>>> >>>>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As >>>>>always, >>>>> if >>>>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >>>>> looking >>>>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and >>>>>contact >>>>>information. I hope all is well with you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Best, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Mike Hingson >>>>> >>>>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >>>>> "Speaking with Vision" >>>>>Michael Hingson, President >>>>>(415) 827-4084 >>>>>info at michaelhingson.com >>>>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>>>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>>>>www.michaelhingson.com >>>>> >>>>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year >>>>>at >>>>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >>>>> >>>>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Nfbnet-members-list mailing list >>>> Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gabriel M. Cazares, >>>> 2nd Vice President >>>> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS >>>> (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) >>>> www.nfbtx.org/tabs >>>> Phone: 713-581-0619 >>>> "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest >>>> willing to let them." >>>> -Robert Frost >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 20 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:25:30 -0400 >>> From: Patrick Molloy >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hello everyone: >>> I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds >>> are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something >>> to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more >>> accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days? >>> (I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't >>> compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be >>> appreciated. >>> Thanks, >>> Patrick Molloy >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 >>> ************************************** >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 03:08:56 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 21:08:56 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Technology questions In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20110818191127.01d42850@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Adriana and all, It's possible to get a demo copy of JAWS for free. From what I remember, demo JAWS has all the same features as the paid version of JAWS except that it makes you restart your computer every forty minutes. (If that's changed please correct me). Having to restart a lot is annoying, but demo JAWS is a great free alternative especially if you are only using it for a few months. I used a demo copy of JAWS at two different internships and it worked out fine, and the frequent restarts didn't seriously affect my productivity. I'm not sure if you can download a demo copy directly from the Freedom Scientific website, but it's likely you can. If anyone has better advice on how to obtain a demo copy of JAWS, please chime in. Arielle On 8/18/11, Justin Young wrote: > Hello, > > I also have Verizon which to my knowledge there is the Samson Haven > which is fairly accessible from what I noticed. I have one myself and > have been impressed with it. There is also the new IPhone which in > inquiring from a friend who is blind and told me its hard at first, > but once you get use to it it is great. > > As for JAWS I don't know of any special licenses, but last I knew it > cost about $800 or so. > > Justin > > On 8/18/11, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >> >> >> Hi, Adriana, >> >> Depends on where you live. I suggest Verizon to >> which II may be partial since that is the company >> to which I personally, subscribe. >> >> Someone else ought to chime in about JAWS. >> >> Where are you from, Adriana? >> for today, >> Car At 01:31 PM 8/18/2011, you wrote: >>>Hi all, >>> >>>I just arrived at the US 10 days ago, and I'm about to start my >>>master's degree at UF. >>>I just have some questions and I hope you guys could help me solve them. >>>I'm trying to get a movile phone number: Which movile company do you >>>suggest me to choose? And which do you think is the best option for a >>>blind person in terms of movile phones? >>> >>>I also would like to know more about the way you acquire jaws licence >>>here in the US. Is it possible for blind people to get a full licence >>>at a lower cost? >>> >>>I really thank you for the information you could provide! >>> >>>-- >>>Adriana Pulido >>>Filóloga en Inglés y músico de la Universidad >>>Nacional de Colombia. Becaria Fulbright para Maestría. >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 03:16:19 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:16:19 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Technology questions In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20110818191127.01d42850@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hello Arielle, Yes you are right, the free demo copy of Jaws lasts 40 minutes and then you have to restart your system. All one has to do is download the free JAWS setup package, available from the Freedom Scientific Web site at: http://www.hj.com Click "downloads" and then click the "JAWS for windows screen reading software" link. There you will find the latest JAWS version and built downloads for either your computer or your USB flash drive--which will make it portable to use. Sincerely, Humberto -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 8:09 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Technology questions Hi Adriana and all, It's possible to get a demo copy of JAWS for free. From what I remember, demo JAWS has all the same features as the paid version of JAWS except that it makes you restart your computer every forty minutes. (If that's changed please correct me). Having to restart a lot is annoying, but demo JAWS is a great free alternative especially if you are only using it for a few months. I used a demo copy of JAWS at two different internships and it worked out fine, and the frequent restarts didn't seriously affect my productivity. I'm not sure if you can download a demo copy directly from the Freedom Scientific website, but it's likely you can. If anyone has better advice on how to obtain a demo copy of JAWS, please chime in. Arielle On 8/18/11, Justin Young wrote: > Hello, > > I also have Verizon which to my knowledge there is the Samson Haven > which is fairly accessible from what I noticed. I have one myself and > have been impressed with it. There is also the new IPhone which in > inquiring from a friend who is blind and told me its hard at first, > but once you get use to it it is great. > > As for JAWS I don't know of any special licenses, but last I knew it > cost about $800 or so. > > Justin > > On 8/18/11, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >> >> >> Hi, Adriana, >> >> Depends on where you live. I suggest Verizon to >> which II may be partial since that is the company >> to which I personally, subscribe. >> >> Someone else ought to chime in about JAWS. >> >> Where are you from, Adriana? >> for today, >> Car At 01:31 PM 8/18/2011, you wrote: >>>Hi all, >>> >>>I just arrived at the US 10 days ago, and I'm about to start my >>>master's degree at UF. >>>I just have some questions and I hope you guys could help me solve them. >>>I'm trying to get a movile phone number: Which movile company do you >>>suggest me to choose? And which do you think is the best option for a >>>blind person in terms of movile phones? >>> >>>I also would like to know more about the way you acquire jaws licence >>>here in the US. Is it possible for blind people to get a full licence >>>at a lower cost? >>> >>>I really thank you for the information you could provide! >>> >>>-- >>>Adriana Pulido >>>Filóloga en Inglés y músico de la Universidad >>>Nacional de Colombia. Becaria Fulbright para Maestría. >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthl ink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co m > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 %40gmail.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 03:29:27 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 21:29:27 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness, Loss, and Therapy Message-ID: <4e4dd8be.d235e70a.3cdd.3a19@mx.google.com> I=20don't=20think=20blind=20people=20should=20not=20have=20to=20have=20ther= apy.=20=20I=20 have=20therapy,=20however,=20for=20a=20different=20reason.=20=20But=20you=20= could=20say=20 it=20was=20related=20to=20blindness.=20=20My=20parents=20from=20an=20early= =20age=20 embarrassed,=20sheltered,=20and=20otherwise=20tried=20to=20uproot=20my=20 childhood.=20=20I=20could=20not=20comee=20to=20terms,=20for=20instance,=20w= ith=20the=20 reality=20behind=20who=20I=20was.=20=20My=20mother=20wanted=20to=20make=20m= e=20a=20real=20 person,=20understand=20that=20being=20real=20meant=20accepting=20that=20you= are=20 "negative"=20or=20"bad"=20in=20some=20way.=20=20Blindness=20was=20seen=20as= =20a=20bad=20 thing=20in=20the=20household.=20=20Because=20I=20was=20told=20I=20acted=20p= oorly,=20I=20was=20 hidden=20fro=20the=20public=20eye,=20then=20was=20thrown=20at=20counselors= =20and=20told=20 that=20I=20was=20the=20broken=20child.=20=20My=20parents,=20however,=20do=20= not=20know=20 this,=20but=20family=20dynamics=20were=20the=20reason=20I=20was=20on=20medi= cations=20 and=20therapy.=20=20Both=20do=20not=20help=20much=20because=20right=20now,= =20my=20current=20 doc=20is=20too=20far=20away=20for=20me=20to=20see.=20=20She=20lives=20and=20= works=20way=20down=20 in=20Centennial,=20while=20I=20live=20in=20East=20Denver=20now.=20=20I=20ne= ed=20a=20doc=20 here=20in=20Denver,=20but=20it=20appears=20the=20Medicaid=20came=20through.= =20=20Blind=20 people=20should=20not=20have=20to=20have=20this=20kind=20of=20hassle.=20=20= Psychiatrists=20and=20therapists=20are=20not=20there=20to=20fix=20one=20per= son.=20=20 They=20should=20fix=20the=20family,=20not=20the=20person.=20=20It's=20like= =20a=20doctor=20 who=20treats=20countries,=20not=20patients. Beth =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Arielle=20Silverman=20=20 wrote: =20Arielle, =20I'd=20like=20to=20read=20a=20little=20of=20his=20book=20even=20though=20= I=20won't=20agree=20 with=20Mr. =20Carroll. =20No,=20probably=20not=20all=20of=20it,=20but=20a=20little=20to=20hear=20s= traight=20from=20 the=20source. =20Good=20post=20that=20seemed=20objective.=20I,=20too,=20have=20heard=20th= eories=20on=20 adjustment =20to=20blindness. =20Yes=20such=20a=20loss=20theory=20does=20oversimplify=20the=20situation.= =20But=20to=20 me=20it=20makes =20some=20sense;=20although=20you=20are=20right=20that=20someone=20may=20ge= t=20over=20the=20 denial=20and =20depression=20if=20their=20family=20is=20supportive=20and=20encourages=20= them=20to=20 move=20on=20and =20get=20blindness=20skills. =20People=20cope=20with=20losses=20differently=20and=20as=20with=20any=20lo= ss=20your=20 environment =20and=20personal=20attitude=20helps=20you=20overcome=20such=20a=20loss. =20I've=20certainly=20met=20people=20going=20through=20vision=20loss=20and= =20yes=20they=20 are =20depressed=20a=20little=20bit.=20Imagine=20losing=20vision=20and=20knowin= g=20you=20 will=20have=20to =20give=20up=20your=20driver's=20license? =20Can=20you=20imagine=20reading=20the=20paper=20or=20browsing=20magazines= =20and=20then=20 no=20longer =20being=20able=20to=20read=20the=20paper=20at=20breakfast=20or=20browse=20= the=20news=20 stand=20and =20magazine=20stand? =20These=20are=20two=20big=20losses=20for=20someone=20who=20had=20full=20vi= sion=20or=20 enough=20vision=20to =20function=20in=20a=20sighted=20manner. =20Yes=20we=20can=20get=20around;=20but=20public=20transit=20has=20a=20lot= =20to=20be=20 desired;=20and=20if =20you=20want=20to=20go=20out=20on=20weekends,=20well=20most=20buses=20do=20= not=20run=20on=20 weekends.=20Heck =20most=20buses=20stop=20running=20at=20mid=20evening. =20American=20society=20really=20does=20not=20make=20public=20transit=20a=20= priority!=20 We=20as=20a =20society=20favor=20the=20driver;=20so=20giving=20up=20those=20car=20keys= =20is=20a=20huge=20 loss. =20Then=20there=20is=20reading.=20Most=20books=20are=20not=20produced=20in= =20 alternative=20format; =20most=20newspapers=20are=20not=20accessible=20either. =20As=20someone=20who=20was=20legally=20blind=20for=20their=20life,=20I =20am=20used=20to=20these=20constraints.=20I=20never=20browsed=20the=20clot= hes=20rack=20 or=20the=20news =20stand;=20I=20never=20picked=20up=20the=20local=20Journal=20or=20Gazette= =20and=20read=20 it. =20So=20for=20me,=20its=20life,=20nothing=20I've=20missed.=20But=20if=20you= =20have=20RP=20and=20 read=20or =20drove=2020=20years,=20I=20can=20understand=20that=20it=92s=20a=20loss.=20= Can=20you=20adapt=20 and=20go=20on =20with=20life? =20Of=20course=20you=20can.=20But=20I=20can=20see=20why=20the=20loss=20is=20= a=20prevalent=20 theory.=20=20I=20know =20people=20who=20are=20going=20through=20vision=20loss=20due=20to=20RP=20o= r=20something=20 and=20its =20hard.=20Even=20if=20they=20embrace=20learning=20new=20skills,=20its=20ha= rder.=20For=20 instance, =20some=20of=20them=20lack=20the=20finger=20sensativity=20to=20feel=20the=20= braille=20 dots;=20they=20can =20read=20slowly=20or=20they=20cannot=20read=20at=20all. =20Anyway,=20the=20staff=20at=20Carroll=20seemed=20up=20beat=20and=20nice.= =20They=20gave=20 the=20youth =20age=20appropriate=20experiences=20and=20an=20introduction=20to=20blindne= ss=20 sports=20and =20daily=20living. =20No=20one=20implied=20blindness=20was=20a=20bad=20thing=20to=20us=20stude= nts.=20=20I=20 guess=20some=20staff =20members=20still=20hold=20that=20loss=20theory=20in=20their=20heads=20tho= ugh;=20they=20 certainly =20did=20not=20show=20it. =20Father=20Carroll=20founded=20it=20and=20died=20a=20long=20time=20ago.=20= I'm=20not =20sure=20how=20much=20the=20center=20is=20the=20same=20now.=20There=20is=20= certainly=20new=20 staff=20and =20probably=20new=20ideas=20in=20the=20current=20center. =20No=20it=20its=20not=20NFB=20philosophy.=20Just=20saying=20they=20might=20= have=20a=20more=20 positive =20attitude=20and=20higher=20expectations=20than=20the=20founder=20did. =20Okay,=20I'll=20go=20get=20the=20book=20this=20week.=20=20Can't=20read=20= all=20of=20it;=20I=20 might=20get =20depressed. =20Ashley =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20Arielle=20Silverman =20Sent:=20Tuesday,=20August=2016,=202011=2010:43=20PM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20Blindness=20a=20dying? =20Hi=20all, =20Interesting.=20I=20didn't=20realize=20the=20founder=20of=20the=20Carroll= =20Center=20 was =20the=20same=20guy=20who=20wrote=20"Blindness:=20What=20it=20Is,=20What=20= it=20Does=20and=20 How=20to =20Live=20with=20It".=20I=20haven't=20actually=20read=20the=20book=20myself= ,=20but=20I=20 have =20read=20other=20articles=20who=20have=20cited=20it,=20and=20in=20fact=20I= =20read=20up=20 quite=20a =20bit=20on=20Carroll's=20philosophy=20as=20part=20of=20a=20grant=20proposa= l=20I=20 recently =20wrote. =20Fr.=20Carroll=20was=20one=20of=20several=20blindness=20rehab=20scholars= =20in=20the=20 1960's =20and=201970's=20who=20advocated=20a=20"loss=20model"=20explaining=20how=20= people=20 adjust =20to=20blindness.=20These=20loss=20models=20postulate=20that=20losing=20on= e's=20 eyesight =20is=20a=20lot=20like=20experiencing=20the=20death=20of=20a=20loved=20one= =20and=20that=20 people =20cope=20with=20it=20in=20similar=20fashion=20by=20going=20through=20vario= us=20stages=20 of =20grief,=20like=20denial,=20depression,=20anger=20and=20despair,=20before= =20they =20eventually=20come=20to=20accept=20the=20loss=20and=20move=20forward.=20M= y=20 understanding =20is=20that=20loss-model=20advocates=20generally=20believed=20people=20who= =20lose=20 their =20sight=20are=20not=20"ready"=20to=20begin=20getting=20training=20in=20alt= ernative =20techniques=20until=20they=20have=20had=20time=20to=20process=20their=20s= adness=20and =20grief.=20What=20is=20so=20unfortunate=20about=20these=20kinds=20of=20the= ories=20is=20 that =20they=20imply=20everyone=20reacts=20to=20blindness=20in=20the=20same=20wa= y,=20and=20 that =20these=20negative=20emotional=20reactions=20are=20inevitable=20and=20will= =20 happen =20regardless=20of=20what=20rehab=20professionals=20or=20others=20(like=20f= amily=20 members, =20spouses,=20etc.)=20do.=20Luckily,=20more=20recently=20scholars=20in=20th= e=20field=20 have =20noticed=20that=20not=20everyone=20who=20becomes=20blind=20experiences=20= depression=20or =20grief=20and=20that=20some=20people=20actually=20do=20quite=20well=20with= =20early=20 training =20in=20alternative=20skills.=20Scholars=20have=20also=20begun=20to=20under= stand=20 that=20the =20reactions=20of=20the=20important=20people=20in=20a=20blind=20person's=20= life=20can=20 play=20a =20huge=20role=20in=20determining=20how=20that=20blind=20person=20copes=20a= nd=20that=20 much=20of =20the=20depression,=20frustration,=20etc.=20that=20come=20from=20blindness= =20 actually =20come=20from=20other=20people's=20negative=20reactions,=20as=20well=20as= =20the=20 temporary =20sense=20of=20incompetence=20that=20comes=20from=20not=20knowing=20altern= ative=20 skills. =20The=20problem=20with=20theories=20like=20Carroll's,=20I=20think,=20is=20= that=20they=20 assume =20blindness=20affects=20everyone=20equally.=20Of=20course=20many=20of=20us= =20who=20 lose =20vision=20experience=20temporary=20depression=20and=20grief,=20and=20of=20= course=20 even =20those=20of=20us=20who=20have=20been=20blind=20our=20whole=20lives=20have= =20times=20when=20 we =20hate=20blindness.=20But=20clearly=20not=20everyone=20reacts=20in=20the=20= same=20way=20 or =20finds=20their=20lives=20dominated=20by=20these=20negative=20feelings.=20= It's=20 similar =20to=20research=20we=20often=20see=20showing=20how=20blind=20children=20on= =20average=20 are =20deficient=20or=20delayed=20in=20all=20kinds=20of=20developmental=20areas= .=20This=20 may=20be =20true=20on=20average,=20but=20it's=20not=20true=20for=20all=20blind=20kid= s.=20These=20 kinds=20of =20conclusions=20that=20focus=20on=20blind=20people=20as=20a=20group=20may= =20be=20 accurate,=20but =20they're=20oversimplified.=20They=20fail=20to=20account=20for=20all=20the= =20factors=20 that =20allow=20some=20of=20us=20to=20end=20up=20better-adjusted=20than=20others= .=20What =20distinguishes=20newly=20blind=20folks=20who=20get=20depressed=20from=20t= hose=20who =20don't?=20What=20separates=20blind=20kids=20who=20start=20crawling=20or=20= walking=20 on=20time =20from=20those=20who=20don't?=20These=20kinds=20of=20questions,=20I=20thin= k,=20are=20 rarely =20asked,=20but=20they're=20much=20more=20important=20than=20the=20question= s=20that=20 lump =20all=20blind=20people=20together,=20because=20they=20show=20us=20what=20 controllable =20factors=20make=20real=20differences=20in=20our=20lives.=20If=20we=20don'= t=20ask=20 these =20kinds=20of=20questions,=20we=20end=20up=20concluding=20that=20blindness= =20is=20a=20 kind=20of =20equal-opportunity=20buzzkill=20that=20will=20leave=20all=20of=20us=20mal= adjusted=20 and =20unproductive=20regardless=20of=20what=20we=20do.=20And=20that's=20depres= sing! =20Arielle =20On=208/16/11,=20chris=20nusbaum=20=20wrote: =20Hi=20Justin, =20Don't=20hold=20your=20breath=20for=20having=20a=20Federationist=20take=20= over=20the =20Carroll=20Center!=20Well,=20it=20may=20happen,=20but=20I=20don't=20see=20= it=20 happening =20soon,=20as=20they've=20worked=20very=20closely=20with=20the=20AFB=20(I=20= think)=20and=20 a=20lot =20of=20them=20still=20believe=20in=20what=20FR=20Carroll=20did. =20Chris =20On=208/16/11,=20Peter=20Donahue=20=20wrote: =20Hello=20Justin=20and=20everyone, =20=20=20=20=20You=20can=20read=20all=20about=20FR.=20Carroll's=20belief=20= about=20blindness=20 being=20a =20"Dying"=20in=20his=20book=20"Blindness:=20What=20it=20is,=20What=20it=20= does,and=20How=20 to=20Live =20With=20It."=20You=20should=20be=20able=20to=20get=20the=20book=20from=20= NLS,=20Learning=20 Allie,=20or =20Bookshare.org.=20I=20read=20it=20in=20the=20late=201970s=20and=20became= =20totally=20 depressed =20after=20reading=20three=20chapters=20of=20it.=20Dr.=20Jernigan=20quoted= =20from=20it=20 in=20his =20address:=20"Blindness=20Handicap=20or=20Characteristic." =20Peter=20Donahue =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20"Salisbury,=20Justin=20Mark"=20=20wrote: =20Justin, =20Thanks=20for=20your=20e-mail.=20Clearly,=20you=20have=20a=20great=20deal= =20of=20 experience =20with =20the=20center.=20Can=20you=20tell=20me=20about=20the=20program=20you=20we= re=20in,=20what=20 you =20learned, =20and=20how=20it=20helped=20you?=20Were=20there=20any=20cons=20to=20the=20= center?=20Thanks=20 so =20much. =20David =20---------------------------------- =20David=20Dodge =20Doctoral=20Degree=20Granting=20Institutions=20Rep. =20State=20University=20of=20New=20York=20Student=20Assembly =20English=20Major =20University=20at=20Buffalo =20306=20Clemens=20Hall =20Buffalo,=20NY=2014260 =20daviddod at buffalo.edu =20On=20Sat,=20Aug=2013,=202011=20at=2012:54=20AM,=20Justin=20Young=20 =20wrote: =20Hi=20David, =20I=20have=20experience=20with=20this=20center=20since=20I=20spent=203=20c= onsecutive=20 summers =20at=20the=20Corroll=20Center.=20=20I=20would=20be=20happy=20to=20answer=20= any=20questions=20 you =20may=20have. =20Justin=20Young =20On=208/12/11,=20David=20Dodge=20=20wrote: =20Hello=20Everyone, =20A=20friend=20of=20mine=20is=20going=20to=20be=20going=20to=20the=20Carol= =20Center=20for=20 the =20Blind =20in =20Newton=20Massachusetts.=20Does=20anyone=20have=20experience=20with=20thi= s=20 specific =20center? =20I'd=20just=20like=20some=20general=20feedback.=20Thanks=20so=20much. =20David =20---------------------------------- =20David=20Dodge =20Doctoral=20Degree=20Granting=20Institutions=20Rep. =20State=20University=20of=20New=20York=20Student=20Assembly =20English=20Major =20University=20at=20Buffalo =20306=20Clemens=20Hall =20Buffalo,=20NY=2014260 =20daviddod at buffalo.edu =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40 gmail.com =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod% 40buffalo.edu =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40 gmail..com =20------------------------------ =20Message:=203 =20Date:=20Sat,=2013=20Aug=202011=2012:52:23=20-0600 =20From:=20Kirt=20Manwaring=20=20wrote: =20Hello=20Joseph=20and=20everyone, =20=20=20=20=20Rather=20than=20messing=20with=20Nook,=20Kindle=20and=20comp= any=20why=20not=20 use=20Blio. =20It =20was=20developed=20by=20KNFB=20Reading=20Technology=20and=20was=20designe= d=20with=20 access =20for =20blind=20and=20sighted=20people=20in=20mind.=20The=20NFB=20played=20a=20m= ajor=20role=20in=20 helping =20to =20develop=20this=20product.=20I'd=20strongly=20suggest=20seriously=20 investigating=20Blio =20instead=20of=20e-book=20solutions=20whose=20accessibility=20is=20next=20= to=20none=20 or =20nonexistent.=20Find=20out=20more=20by=20visiting: =20http://www.blio.com =20=20=20=20=20We=20have=20Blio=20installed=20on=20one=20of=20our=20devices= =20and=20love=20it.=20 It's=20a =20great =20product.=20Now=20to=20add=20more=20books=20to=20our=20collection. =20Peter=20Donahue =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20"T.=20Joseph=20Carter"=20=20wrote: =20Hello=20Joseph=20and=20everyone, =20=20=20=20=20Rather=20than=20messing=20with=20Nook,=20Kindle=20and=20comp= any=20why=20not=20 use=20Blio. =20It =20was=20developed=20by=20KNFB=20Reading=20Technology=20and=20was=20designe= d=20with=20 access =20for =20blind=20and=20sighted=20people=20in=20mind.=20The=20NFB=20played=20a=20m= ajor=20role=20in=20 helping =20to =20develop=20this=20product.=20I'd=20strongly=20suggest=20seriously=20 investigating=20Blio =20instead=20of=20e-book=20solutions=20whose=20accessibility=20is=20next=20= to=20none=20 or =20nonexistent.=20Find=20out=20more=20by=20visiting: =20http://www.blio.com =20=20=20=20=20We=20have=20Blio=20installed=20on=20one=20of=20our=20devices= =20and=20love=20it.=20 It's=20a =20great =20product.=20Now=20to=20add=20more=20books=20to=20our=20collection. =20Peter=20Donahue =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20"T.=20Joseph=20Carter"=20=20wrote: =20Thanks=20for=20the=20update=20and=20look=20forward=20to=20to=20the=20rec= ordings. =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20David=20Dunphy =20Sent:=20Saturday,=20August=2013,=202011=201:11=20PM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20nabslinkaudio.org=20site,=20Please=20Read =20Hi=20Everybody! =20I=20want=20to=20begin=20by=20apologizing=20to=20each=20and=20every=20one= =20of=20you=20for=20 the =20convention=20meeting=20not=20being=20up=20yet.=20I=20realize=20how=20hor= ribly=20late=20 it =20is.=20Sadly,=20there=20is=20a=20reason=20for=20this:=20The=20current=20w= eb=20hosting =20provider=20we=20were=20using=20had=20their=20mother=20board=20fry,=20and= =20we=20lost=20 some =20files=20from=20the=20site..=20Luckily,=20I=20have=20a=20backup=20of=20th= ese=20things,=20 but =20our=20site=20provider=20does=20not=20have=20a=20system=20for=20any=20sit= e=20backups.=20 So=20if=20I =20had=20a=20crash,=20and=20such=20an=20occurrence=20happened=20again,=20by= e=20bye =20nabslinkaudio.org. =20So,=20I've=20done=20some=20digging=20around,=20and=20I=20have=20found=20= us=20a=20new=20 hosting =20home=20that=20does=20have=20automated=20site=20backups,=20protects=20fro= m=20 viruses=20and =20spam,=20etc. =20So=20at=20around=202=20PM=20or=203=20PM=20eastern=20today,=20August=2013= =202011,=20the =20nabslinkaudio.org=20site=20will=20be=20taken=20off=20line=20while=20we=20= make=20the=20 switch =20to=20a=20new=20provider. =20During=20the=20time=20of=20the=20transfer,=20you'll=20see=20a=20generic= =20page=20 letting=20you =20know=20that=20the=20nabslinkaudio.org=20site=20is=20temporarily=20unavai= lable. =20You'll=20know=20when=20the=20transfer=20is=20complete,=20for=20the=20sit= e=20will=20be=20 back =20online=20again. =20Once=20I'm=20sure=20that=20the=20domain=20has=20been=20updated=20and=20t= hat=20all=20 internet =20service=20providers=20have=20had=20a=20chance=20to=20update=20their=20re= cords=20to=20 reflect =20the=20change,=20I=20will=20put=20up=20the=20meeting=20for=20download,=20= and=20also=20 implement =20text=20notifications=20of=20archive=20availability.=20Yes,=20I=20know=20= I=20 already =20mentioned=20this,=20but=20I'm=20going=20to=20implement=20something=20tha= t=20will: =201.=20Ensure=20the=20membership=20committee=20that=20only=20people=20who= =20want=20 their =20numbers=20shared=20for=20getting=20text=20notifications=20of=20call=20 availability=20get =20said=20messages=20and=20no=20one=20else =20and =202.=20No=20one=20can=20turn=20around=20and=20say=20they=20didn't=20give=20= their=20number=20 if=20a =20concern=20should=20come=20up,=20for=20each=20phone=20number=20will=20hav= e=20to=20be =20validated=20by=20the=20owner =20Don't=20worry,=20the=20process=20will=20be=20painless,=20and=20will=20ma= ke=20total=20 sense =20once=20you=20see=20it! =20If=20you=20have=20any=20questions,=20please=20email=20me=20at =20djdrocks4ever at gmail.com =20Thank=20you. From=20David =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma hb%40earthlink.net =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com =20-- =20Chris=20Nusbaum =20Sales=20and=20Advertising=20Coordinator =20Arianna's=20Art=20Inc.=20Paintings=20for=20the=20Blind=20and=20Sighted!!= ! =20Like=20us=20on=20Facebook!=20Search=20for=20Arianna=20Lipka=20Art=20for= =20the=20Blind! =20Visit=20the=20I=20C.A.N.=20Foundation=20online=20at:=20www.icanfoundatio= n.info=20 for =20information=20on=20our=20foundation=20and=20how=20it=20helps=20blind=20a= nd=20 visually =20impaired=20children=20in=20MD=20say=20"I=20can!" =20------------------------------ =20Message:=207 =20Date:=20Sat,=2013=20Aug=202011=2019:00:54=20-0400 =20From:=20,=20=20=20=20Blind=20Talk=20M= ailing=20List =20, =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20"g=20List\"=20,=20\"nfbmd\"= =20 , =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20\"nabs\"=20,=20\"maryland-l\"=20 , =20\"Ross =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20Hammond\"=20,=20=20\"= alena=20 roberts\"" =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20,=20ariannas.art at gmail.com =20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20announcement=20for=20all=20interested=20in=20Arian= na's=20 Art: =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20new=20email=20address=20for=20the=20business =20Message-ID: =20 =20 wrote: =20David, =20What=20program=20is=20your=20friend=20attending?=20Is=20it=20the=20main= =20 rehabilitation =20adult =20program?=20They=20also=20have=20one=20for=20work=20experience=20called=20= the=20 vocational =20transition=20program.=20=20I=20can=20only=20comment=20briefly=20upon=20t= he=20center.=20 I=20have =20a =20short=20summer=20experience=20to=20comment=20on. =20I=20would=20be=20interested=20to=20hear=20any=20feedback=20from=20people= =20in=20the=20 adult =20program =20because=20I=20am=20thinking=20of=20going=20back=20for=20training. =20Like=20Justin=20Young,=20I=20attended=20the=20Youth=20in=20Transition,=20= Yit,=20 Program. =20I=20was=20there=20in=20summer=202001.=20Back=20then=20it=20was=20a=20six= =20week=20program;=20 now =20it?s =20a =20shorter=20program=20since=20they=20have=20=20a=20new=20program=20called =20Transition=20to=20College=20that=20they=20run=20for=20four=20weeks=20plu= s=20two=20 weeks=20the =20students=20attend=20the=20computer=20program=20for=20a=20total=20of=20si= x=20weeks.=20=20 Had=20I =20known =20about=20the=20Real=20World=20of=20Work=20experience,=20RWWE =20program,=20I=20might=20have=20attended=20that=20during=20my=20high=20sch= ool=20years.=20 The =20teens =20in=20the=20program=20all=20seemed=20to=20enjoy=20their=20jobs. =20That=20would=20have=20been=20a=20good=20way=20to=20get=20work=20experien= ce=20and=20 socialize.=20=20I =20was=20friends=20with=20the=20RWWE=20students=20though. =20In=202001=20RWWE=20students=20went=20to=20work=20three=20days=20=20a=20w= eek=20with=20one=20 day=20of =20field =20trips=20and=20the=20other=20day=20of=20classes=20at=20the=20center.=20St= udents=20in=20 YIT=20and =20RWWE =20had=20afternoon/evening=20activities=20as=20well=20as=20field=20trips=20= together. =20We=20also=20had=20meals=20together.=20I=20guess=20that=20is=20why=20we=20= =20got=20to=20know=20 each =20other =20since=20there=20was=20some=20overlap=20in=20experience. =20In=20the=20Youth=20in=20transition=20program,=20it=20was=20focussed=20on= =20daily=20 living =20skills. =20Its=20like=20=20the=20youth=20version=20of=20the=20rehab=20program. =20Classes=20were=20from=209:00=20-=203:00. =20Before=20that=20there=20were=20announcements=20at=208:45.=20In=20the=20a= fternoon,=20 students =20had=20club=20activities=20and=20in=20the=20evening =20there=20were=20more=20activities=20and=20some=20of=20them=20were=20off=20= campus. =20In=20the=20adult=20program=20at=203:00=20is=20a=20makeup=20class =20period.=20=20I=20am=20glad=20I=20went=20to=20YIT=20for=20the=20experienc= e=20of=20the=20extra =20curriculars=20and=20socializing.=20But=20they=20went=20over=20a=20lot=20= of=20stuff=20I=20 already =20knew.=20=20I=20wonder=20if=20the=20=20adult=20program=20is=20more=20indi= vidualized=20 with=20a=20good =20evaluation=20of=20skills=20before=20you=20learn=20skills=20in=20class. =20Some=20of=20the=20classes=20were=20communication,=20personal=20managemen= t,=20 mobility, =20and =20information=20technology.=20=20In=20communication=20some=20students=20le= arned=20 braille =20but =20I=20already=20knew=20it.=20They=20showed=20us=20some=20labeling=20produc= ts=20and=20how=20 to =20erase =20a =20tape=20if=20you=20recorded=20on=20it.=20I=20don't=20think=20I=20got=20mu= ch=20out=20of=20that=20 class. =20In =20personal=20management,=20Ellie=20was=20the=20instructor.=20That=20class= =20 focuses=20on =20cooking,=20personal=20care=20=20and=20housekeeping=20skills.=20I=20pract= iced=20 cutting=20and =20spreading=20there.=20I=20had=20been=20taught=20by=20a=20rehab=20teacher= =20at=20home,=20 but=20found =20Ellie's=20guidance=20helpful.=20She=20taught=20hand=20over=20=20hand=20a= nd=20 explained =20things. =20There=20was=20another=20student=20in=20my=20class.=20=20We=20made =20cookies.=20She=20also=20went=20over=20folding=20money=20but=20I=20alread= y=20knew=20 that.=20We =20had =20a =20lesson=20on=20putting=20on=20lipstick=20too. =20Some=20students=20addressed=20personal=20care,=20but=20I=20was=20fine=20= with=20 shaving=20and =20bathing=20as=20a=20teen.=20We=20did=20more,=20but=20I=20cannot=20remembe= r=20it=20all. =20IIn=20Orientation=20and=20mobility,=20I=20learned=20and=20practiced=20st= reet=20 crossing =20and =20went=20on=20the=20city=20bus.=20That=20was=20one=20on=20one;=20not=20all= =20students=20went=20 on=20the =20bus. =20I=20went=20to=20the=20Boston=20area=20to=20walk=20around;=20I=20think=20= we=20took=20the=20 bus=20to =20Newton =20center=20which=20is=20a=20=20stip=20shopping=20center=20a=20few=20miles= =20from=20the=20 center.=20I =20had =20practice=20buying=20things=20in=20the=20store=20with=20customer=20servic= e=20 assistance. =20The=20activities=20at=20night=20were=20fun.=20I=20cannot=20remember=20th= e=20day=20 ones.=20It=20was =20ten=20years=20ago! =20I=20only=20remember=20an=20afternoon=20club=20called=20clay=20works=20wh= ere=20we=20 made=20clay =20objects=20and=20painted=20them. =20I=20think=20one=20afternoon=20club=20was=20recreation=20where=20we=20pla= yed=20beep=20 ball=20or =20goal =20ball. =20On=20most=20fridays=20nights,=20everyone=20had=20the=20option=20to=20go= =20to=20the=20 lake=20to =20swim, =20but=20I=20don't=20think=20I=20went;=20I=20was=20too=20tired.=20=20On=20M= ondays=20was=20our=20 shopping =20night=20where=20we=20went=20to=20a=20local=20mall.=20On=20Wednesdays=20w= e=20went=20 canoeing. =20We=20had=20field=20trips=20once=20a=20week=20instead=20of=20classes;=20t= hose=20were=20 usually =20fun. =20I=20had=20not=20had=20some=20of=20those=20experiences.=20We=20went=20to= =20a=20dance=20 studio=20where =20they=20showed=20us=20some=20dance=20moves=20and=20let=20us=20explore=20d= ancer's=20 shoes=20and =20outfits;=20since=20we=20could=20not=20see=20what=20they=20wore,=20I=20gu= ess=20they=20 wanted=20us =20to =20know=20what=20dancers=20wore.=20We=20also=20went=20to=20Cape=20Cod,=20a= =20horse=20farm,=20 and =20museums. =20I=20still=20keep=20in=20touch=20with=20a=20friend=20from=20the=20center= =20and=20I=20saw=20 one =20student =20who=20was=20down=20here=20in=20the=20next=20county=20working=20as=20a=20= teacher=20of=20the=20 vision =20impaired. =20I=20hope=20your=20friend=20learns=20something=20valuable=20from=20the=20= center. =20-----Original=20Message-----=20From:=20David=20Dodge =20Sent:=20Friday,=20August=2012,=202011=2011:39=20PM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20Carol=20Center=20for=20the=20Blind? =20Hello=20Everyone, =20A=20friend=20of=20mine=20is=20going=20to=20be=20going=20to=20the=20Carol= =20Center=20for=20 the=20Blind =20in =20Newton=20Massachusetts.=20Does=20anyone=20have=20experience=20with=20thi= s=20 specific =20center? =20I'd=20just=20like=20some=20general=20feedback.=20Thanks=20so=20much. =20David =20------------------------------**---- =20David=20Dodge =20Doctoral=20Degree=20Granting=20Institutions=20Rep. =20State=20University=20of=20New=20York=20Student=20Assembly =20English=20Major =20University=20at=20Buffalo =20306=20Clemens=20Hall =20Buffalo,=20NY=2014260 =20daviddod at buffalo.edu =20______________________________**_________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20 http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org,=20tabs_students =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20,=20=20=20=20=20= =20=20nabs-l =20or=20 toll=20free: =201-800-675-7782 =20-- =20Chris=20Nusbaum =20Sales=20and=20Advertising=20Coordinator =20Arianna's=20Art=20Inc.=20Paintings=20for=20the=20Blind=20and=20Sighted!!= ! =20Like=20us=20on=20Facebook!=20Search=20for=20Arianna=20Lipka=20Art=20for= =20the=20Blind! =20Visit=20the=20I=20C.A.N.=20Foundation=20online=20at:=20www.icanfoundatio= n.info=20 for =20information=20on=20our=20foundation=20and=20how=20it=20helps=20blind=20a= nd=20 visually =20impaired=20children=20in=20MD=20say=20"I=20can!" =20------------------------------ =20Message:=2016 =20Date:=20Sun,=2014=20Aug=202011=2010:37:04=20-0400 =20From:=20chris=20nusbaum=20,=20=20=20=20Blind=20Talk=20M= ailing=20List =20or=20 toll=20free: =201-800-675-7782 =20-- =20Chris=20Nusbaum =20Sales=20and=20Advertising=20Coordinator =20Arianna's=20Art=20Inc.=20Paintings=20for=20the=20Blind=20and=20Sighted!!= ! =20Like=20us=20on=20Facebook!=20Search=20for=20Arianna=20Lipka=20Art=20for= =20the=20Blind! =20Visit=20the=20I=20C.A.N.=20Foundation=20online=20at:=20www.icanfoundatio= n.info=20 for =20information=20on=20our=20foundation=20and=20how=20it=20helps=20blind=20a= nd=20 visually =20impaired=20children=20in=20MD=20say=20"I=20can!" =20------------------------------ =20Message:=2017 =20Date:=20Sun,=2014=20Aug=202011=2010:50:16=20-0400 =20From:=20chris=20nusbaum=20=20wrote: =20Hello=20Justin=20and=20everyone, =20=20=20=20=20For=20the=20reasons=20you=20point=20out=20below=20I=20wouldn= 't=20mess=20with=20the=20 Carroll =20Center=20under=20any=20circumstances.=20I'm=20originally=20from=20 Massachusetts=20and =20saw =20the=20same=20kind=20of=20results=20you=20mentioned=20from=20students=20w= ho=20went=20 there. =20What =20can=20you=20expect=20from=20an=20agency=20whose=20founder=20viewed=20bli= ndness=20as=20 a =20"Dying." =20If=20you=20want=20good=20blindness=20training=20go=20to=20an=20NFB=20cen= ter.=20Get=20 what=20you =20need =20once=20and=20it=20will=20last=20you=20a=20life=20time. =20Peter=20Donahue =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20"Salisbury,=20Justin=20Mark"=20=20wrote: =20Hi,=20guys. =20I=20read=20the=20messages=20from=20Michael=20Hingson=20and=20am=20very=20= sad=20to=20hear =20of=20Roselle's=20passing.=20=20The=20posthumous=20wish=20I'm=20sure=20wo= uld=20be=20for =20her=20to=20have=20the=20American=20Hero=20Dog=20award.=20=20How=20many=20= of=20you=20guys =20have=20voted=20for=20her?=20=20I'm=20just=20about=20ready=20to=20read=20= Thunder=20Dog =20myself.=20=20Anyway,=20if=20anybody=20has=20voted,=20great.=20=20If=20yo= u=20haven't,=20I =20have=20heard=20Roselle's=20story=20last=20year=20in=20Dallas,=20and=20I'= ve=20been =20thinking=20about=20this=20whole=20thing=20for=20the=20whole=20year=20sin= ce=20I've =20heard=20it.=20=20I=20remember=20the=20eloquence=20Mr.=20Hingson=20used=20= in =20portraying=20Roselle=20as=20a=20true=20American=20Hero=20Dog.=20=20So=20= let's=20all =20vote=20for=20her,=20if=20not=20for=20a=20true=20award=20but=20a=20posthu= mous=20one. =20Thanks. =20Beth =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com =20-- =20Chris=20Nusbaum =20Sales=20and=20Advertising=20Coordinator =20Arianna's=20Art=20Inc.=20Paintings=20for=20the=20Blind=20and=20Sighted!!= ! =20Like=20us=20on=20Facebook!=20Search=20for=20Arianna=20Lipka=20Art=20for= =20the=20Blind! =20Visit=20the=20I=20C.A.N.=20Foundation=20online=20at:=20www.icanfoundatio= n.info=20 for =20information=20on=20our=20foundation=20and=20how=20it=20helps=20blind=20a= nd=20 visually =20impaired=20children=20in=20MD=20say=20"I=20can!" =20------------------------------ =20Message:=2019 =20Date:=20Sun,=2014=20Aug=202011=2011:49:13=20-0400 =20From:=20chris=20nusbaum=20=20wrote: =20FYI =20...Gabe =20----------=20Forwarded=20message=20---------- =20From:=20David=20Andrews=20 References: <7.0.1.0.2.20110818191127.01d42850@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110818204150.01cbdc30@earthlink.net> Hi, a brother in Havenland, Let's hear it for the Samsung Haven!At 07:50 PM 8/18/2011, Justin Young wrote: >Hello, > >I also have Verizon which to my knowledge there is the Samson Haven >which is fairly accessible from what I noticed. I have one myself and >have been impressed with it. There is also the new IPhone which in >inquiring from a friend who is blind and told me its hard at first, >but once you get use to it it is great. > >As for JAWS I don't know of any special licenses, but last I knew it >cost about $800 or so. > >Justin > >On 8/18/11, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > > > > > > Hi, Adriana, > > > > Depends on where you live. I suggest Verizon to > > which II may be partial since that is the company > > to which I personally, subscribe. > > > > Someone else ought to chime in about JAWS. > > > > Where are you from, Adriana? > > for today, > > Car At 01:31 PM 8/18/2011, you wrote: > >>Hi all, > >> > >>I just arrived at the US 10 days ago, and I'm about to start my > >>master's degree at UF. > >>I just have some questions and I hope you guys could help me solve them. > >>I'm trying to get a movile phone number: Which movile company do you > >>suggest me to choose? And which do you think is the best option for a > >>blind person in terms of movile phones? > >> > >>I also would like to know more about the way you acquire jaws licence > >>here in the US. Is it possible for blind people to get a full licence > >>at a lower cost? > >> > >>I really thank you for the information you could provide! > >> > >>-- > >>Adriana Pulido > >>Filóloga en Inglés y músico de la Universidad > >>Nacional de Colombia. Becaria Fulbright para Maestría. > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_n > fbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Aug 19 03:43:45 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 23:43:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness, Loss, and Therapy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <547F66EAD9504A7598B0D2B7A737D17B@OwnerPC> Arielle, Since sight is the dominant sense for gaining information from reading to driving in this society, I think it’s a common experience that depression and anger set in when people lose vision. Most of us on this list have grown up blind, including myself so for us we never drove, never saw that movie screen, or window shopped. I can understand why loss models do resonate with people's first reactions to blindness. Some centers do either require counseling or offer it optionally. I know NFB centers don't as it conflicts with the philosophy. But I think that having counseling or one to one psychotherapy which is talk therapy as an option is a good idea. No do not presume a student is depressed or needs counseling, but I think it may be a good idea as an option. As long as the therapist is nuetral and listens rather than acting sympathetic and getting the client more depressed, I don't see a harm in counseling. As to group counseling or peer support groups, I have mixed feelings. We had a sort of thing like that led by the director at the richmond rehab center. It was a forum to discuss challenges and concerns people had. Some concerns such as protective family members and public reactions are ones I identified with. I tried to speak up and offer suggestions and encouragement; but I do not know if it helped or not. I think blind peer role models might do better than any talk session; showing someone is more powerful than talking. On the other hand, a human sounding board can be a way to let off steam. So who else has a loss model of blindness? I've only heard Father carroll did so far; but I have not exactly studied blindness adjustment theories. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 11:03 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness, Loss, and Therapy Hi Ashley and all, Yes, the traditional loss models do resonate with many people's initial experiences with blindness, and they aren't totally defeatist-they do allow for the blind person to eventually come to acceptance over time. The major problem with them is the notion that people won't be able to succeed in rehabilitation until they've spent some time wallowing in depression. Deliberately waiting to offer rehabilitation training until the individual has been blind and depressed for a while carries the obvious risk of making the depression and sense of helplessness worse. I think the discussion here brings up an interesting question: Should training centers for the blind provide counseling or psychotherapy either as an optional service, or as a required part of the curriculum. I'm not sure of the best answer to that. Certainly many students at centers would benefit from counseling-about blindness issues or unrelated problems-but should everyone be presumed to need counseling? Is having a counselor or psychologist on the center staff a good idea or does it promote the notion that blind people all need therapy? I'd be curious to hear your opinions on this. Just as an aside, the summer camp for the blind I mentioned earlier did have weekly group counseling as part of its programming. Personally, I thought it was totally bogus, and in retrospect I realize that was probably because we rarely discussed blindness or other related experiences in the group. Sometimes we did discuss common experiences and challenges with adolescence, but because we were all so different, I didn't really feel like I was sharing meaningful ideas with my peers about common issues. I probably derived more therapeutic benefit from commiserating about blindness-related issues with blind friends in late-night phone calls than I did in the group. It also seemed a bit weird to be in group therapy generally. But, perhaps if done right this kind of peer support group could offer some benefit. Arielle On 8/16/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Arielle, > I'd like to read a little of his book even though I won't agree with Mr. > Carroll. > No, probably not all of it, but a little to hear straight from the source. > Good post that seemed objective. I, too, have heard theories on adjustment > to blindness. > Yes such a loss theory does oversimplify the situation. But to me it makes > some sense; although you are right that someone may get over the denial > and > depression if their family is supportive and encourages them to move on > and > get blindness skills. > People cope with losses differently and as with any loss your environment > and personal attitude helps you overcome such a loss. > > I've certainly met people going through vision loss and yes they are > depressed a little bit. Imagine losing vision and knowing you will have to > give up your driver's license? > Can you imagine reading the paper or browsing magazines and then no longer > being able to read the paper at breakfast or browse the news stand and > magazine stand? > These are two big losses for someone who had full vision or enough vision > to > function in a sighted manner. > Yes we can get around; but public transit has a lot to be desired; and if > you want to go out on weekends, well most buses do not run on weekends. > Heck > most buses stop running at mid evening. > American society really does not make public transit a priority! We as a > society favor the driver; so giving up those car keys is a huge loss. > Then there is reading. Most books are not produced in alternative format; > most newspapers are not accessible either. > As someone who was legally blind for their life, I > am used to these constraints. I never browsed the clothes rack or the news > stand; I never picked up the local Journal or Gazette and read it. > So for me, its life, nothing I've missed. But if you have RP and read or > drove 20 years, I can understand that it’s a loss. Can you adapt and go on > with life? > Of course you can. But I can see why the loss is a prevalent theory. I > know > people who are going through vision loss due to RP or something and its > hard. Even if they embrace learning new skills, its harder. For instance, > some of them lack the finger sensativity to feel the braille dots; they > can > read slowly or they cannot read at all. > > Anyway, the staff at Carroll seemed up beat and nice. They gave the youth > age appropriate experiences and an introduction to blindness sports and > daily living. > No one implied blindness was a bad thing to us students. I guess some > staff > members still hold that loss theory in their heads though; they certainly > did not show it. > Father Carroll founded it and died a long time ago. I'm not > sure how much the center is the same now. There is certainly new staff and > probably new ideas in the current center. > No it its not NFB philosophy. Just saying they might have a more positive > attitude and higher expectations than the founder did. > > Okay, I'll go get the book this week. Can't read all of it; I might get > depressed. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:43 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness a dying? > > Hi all, > Interesting. I didn't realize the founder of the Carroll Center was > the same guy who wrote "Blindness: What it Is, What it Does and How to > Live with It". I haven't actually read the book myself, but I have > read other articles who have cited it, and in fact I read up quite a > bit on Carroll's philosophy as part of a grant proposal I recently > wrote. > Fr. Carroll was one of several blindness rehab scholars in the 1960's > and 1970's who advocated a "loss model" explaining how people adjust > to blindness. These loss models postulate that losing one's eyesight > is a lot like experiencing the death of a loved one and that people > cope with it in similar fashion by going through various stages of > grief, like denial, depression, anger and despair, before they > eventually come to accept the loss and move forward. My understanding > is that loss-model advocates generally believed people who lose their > sight are not "ready" to begin getting training in alternative > techniques until they have had time to process their sadness and > grief. What is so unfortunate about these kinds of theories is that > they imply everyone reacts to blindness in the same way, and that > these negative emotional reactions are inevitable and will happen > regardless of what rehab professionals or others (like family members, > spouses, etc.) do. Luckily, more recently scholars in the field have > noticed that not everyone who becomes blind experiences depression or > grief and that some people actually do quite well with early training > in alternative skills. Scholars have also begun to understand that the > reactions of the important people in a blind person's life can play a > huge role in determining how that blind person copes and that much of > the depression, frustration, etc. that come from blindness actually > come from other people's negative reactions, as well as the temporary > sense of incompetence that comes from not knowing alternative skills. > The problem with theories like Carroll's, I think, is that they assume > blindness affects everyone equally. Of course many of us who lose > vision experience temporary depression and grief, and of course even > those of us who have been blind our whole lives have times when we > hate blindness. But clearly not everyone reacts in the same way or > finds their lives dominated by these negative feelings. It's similar > to research we often see showing how blind children on average are > deficient or delayed in all kinds of developmental areas. This may be > true on average, but it's not true for all blind kids. These kinds of > conclusions that focus on blind people as a group may be accurate, but > they're oversimplified. They fail to account for all the factors that > allow some of us to end up better-adjusted than others. What > distinguishes newly blind folks who get depressed from those who > don't? What separates blind kids who start crawling or walking on time > from those who don't? These kinds of questions, I think, are rarely > asked, but they're much more important than the questions that lump > all blind people together, because they show us what controllable > factors make real differences in our lives. If we don't ask these > kinds of questions, we end up concluding that blindness is a kind of > equal-opportunity buzzkill that will leave all of us maladjusted and > unproductive regardless of what we do. And that's depressing! > Arielle > > On 8/16/11, chris nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Justin, >> >> Don't hold your breath for having a Federationist take over the >> Carroll Center! Well, it may happen, but I don't see it happening >> soon, as they've worked very closely with the AFB (I think) and a lot >> of them still believe in what FR Carroll did. >> >> Chris >> >> On 8/16/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Hello Justin and everyone, >>> >>> You can read all about FR. Carroll's belief about blindness being a >>> "Dying" in his book "Blindness: What it is, What it does,and How to Live >>> With It." You should be able to get the book from NLS, Learning Allie, >>> or >>> Bookshare.org. I read it in the late 1970s and became totally depressed >>> after reading three chapters of it. Dr. Jernigan quoted from it in his >>> address: "Blindness Handicap or Characteristic." >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:42 AM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> >>> >>> I just want to summarize my view on the Carroll Center: >>> >>> If it's the only opportunity you have to get some skills that you don't >>> already have, it can benefit you. If you have the opportunity to attend >>> an >>> NFB training center (or BISM, which Amy Phelps runs with an NFB >>> philosophy), >>> choose it over the Carroll Center 100 out of 100 times. >>> >>> I've never heard the "dying" thing about Father Carroll, but it does not >>> surprise me. I would love to get a good Federationist to take over the >>> management of the Carroll Center. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> Justin M. Salisbury >>> Undergraduate Student >>> The University Honors Program >>> East Carolina University >>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> >>> “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD >>> >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org] >>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:00 PM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 >>> >>> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (David Dunphy) >>> 2. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (Justin Young) >>> 3. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Kirt Manwaring) >>> 4. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Heather Field) >>> 5. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >>> 6. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (chris nusbaum) >>> 7. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >>> 8. announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: new email >>> address for the business (chris nusbaum) >>> 9. The Carroll Center for the Blind (Salisbury, Justin Mark) >>> 10. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (David Dodge) >>> 11. Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >>> corrected link (Gabe Cazares) >>> 12. AMerican Hero Dog Award (Beth) >>> 13. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (Peter Donahue) >>> 14. sending a message to all Gmail contacts? (chris nusbaum) >>> 15. Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier >>> (chris nusbaum) >>> 16. Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. >>> (chris nusbaum) >>> 17. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (chris nusbaum) >>> 18. Re: AMerican Hero Dog Award (chris nusbaum) >>> 19. Re: Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move >>> and a corrected link (chris nusbaum) >>> 20. accessible iPod (Patrick Molloy) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:11:26 -0400 >>> From: David Dunphy >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi Everybody! >>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >>> nabslinkaudio.org. >>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >>> spam, etc. >>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >>> to a new provider. >>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >>> online again. >>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >>> said messages and no one else >>> and >>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >>> validated by the owner >>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >>> once you see it! >>> If you have any questions, please email me at >>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >>> Thank you. >>> >From David >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:29:42 -0400 >>> From: Justin Young >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> No problem. I did three different programs. In the Summer of 2006 I >>> did the Youth In Transition(YIT) program which is heavily focused upon >>> daily living skills. There were classes from 8:45-3pm Mon-Fri. Then >>> there was activities that you did clubs and stuff like that. Some >>> were fun and some not really. You have the opportunity to do fencing, >>> and other evening activities. Some of the evening ones were more >>> arts/crafts style if I recall. Its hard to say with the >>> extracurriculars cuz they changed ever year. The ones whichwere the >>> same were Fencing, Sailing, shopping and others which I forget. The >>> next Summer I did the Real World of Work Experience Program(RWWE) >>> which was 5 weeks where the first week is doing the classes to make >>> sure you can do all of it because like laundry you had to wait until >>> after classes were over or on weekends as well. Once you begin >>> working its great I must say. When I did it they selected a place for >>> you and you were on the job site for Mon, Wed, Fri and Tues & Thu you >>> went on Field Trips. Oh yes I forgot about those we went on those as >>> well in YIT. They were to fun places, movies, golfing & stuff like >>> that. For the RWWE program though on Thursdays we went on Work >>> related field trips. Like once we went to the State House in Boston >>> and tried to go to Cape Cod, but the van I was in broke down so >>> couldn't do that one. There were still the activities in the >>> afternoon and evening. I didn't really do the ones in the afternoon >>> because I got back from work to late always. I worked at the Newton >>> Welseley Hospital in the Receiving Department which was fun after I >>> got a hand of what I was doing, the layout of the place and confidence >>> that I could do it all. I delivered to depts mainly. For my Final >>> Summer I and 4 others were involved in the pilot program of Transition >>> To College(TTC) in the Summer of 2008. This program was 4 weeks where >>> we did 2 at the Carroll Center like the YIT program and 2 at Boston >>> College. The 2 weeks of the classes is to ensure we could do it while >>> at BC. There was also a 2 week period before the program started for >>> all in the program to do the Computing to College which is a computer >>> program based in the Technology Center at the Carroll Center. I >>> couldn't do this portion because I was finishing High School. While >>> at BC we attended various seminars during the day and after I think >>> 3pm it was we were free to do whatever we liked. We stayed in a dorm >>> which was a suite style and had a supervisor in one of the 5 rooms >>> with us. We were given each day $15 for food and had to give the >>> supervisor all receipts of what we spent. We definitely got our >>> exercise because our dorm was about a mile from the Education Building >>> where our seminars took place. We went on a field trip or two I don't >>> remember. I remember we went to either Boston University or one of >>> the UMass schools. I and a few of the others in the program took the >>> train to go places once or twice and a coffee shop was right on the >>> edge of the college and not far from our dorm. So, I went there >>> sometimes. >>> >>> It was a great three years full of making friends. The cons you >>> asked? Hmm, well it really depends upon how you look at which program >>> you are in. I would say that sometimes you were forced to do things >>> you didn't really want to do which is why I really liked the BC >>> living. I hope this helps you. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> On 8/13/11, David Dodge wrote: >>>> Justin, >>>> Thanks for your e-mail. Clearly, you have a great deal of experience >>>> with >>>> the center. Can you tell me about the program you were in, what you >>>> learned, >>>> and how it helped you? Were there any cons to the center? Thanks so >>>> much. >>>> >>>> David >>>> ---------------------------------- >>>> David Dodge >>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>>> English Major >>>> University at Buffalo >>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Justin Young >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi David, >>>>> >>>>> I have experience with this center since I spent 3 consecutive summers >>>>> at the Corroll Center. I would be happy to answer any questions you >>>>> may have. >>>>> >>>>> Justin Young >>>>> >>>>> On 8/12/11, David Dodge wrote: >>>>> > Hello Everyone, >>>>> > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the >>>>> > Blind >>>>> in >>>>> > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>>>> center? >>>>> > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >>>>> > >>>>> > David >>>>> > ---------------------------------- >>>>> > David Dodge >>>>> > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>>> > State University of New York Student Assembly >>>>> > English Major >>>>> > University at Buffalo >>>>> > 306 Clemens Hall >>>>> > Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>>> > daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> > for >>>>> > nabs-l: >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:52:23 -0600 >>> From: Kirt Manwaring >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> Peter, >>> I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time >>> using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their >>> own, I guess. >>> Warmly, >>> Kirt >>> >>> On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> Hello Joseph and everyone, >>>> >>>> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. >>>> It >>>> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access >>>> for >>>> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in >>>> helping >>>> to >>>> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio >>>> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or >>>> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: >>>> http://www.blio.com >>>> >>>> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a >>>> great >>>> product. Now to add more books to our collection. >>>> >>>> Peter Donahue >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be >>>> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works >>>> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* >>>> >>>> Joseph - kf7qzc >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>>>>Listers, >>>>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>Jan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is >>>>>free. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>Behalf >>>>> >>>>>Of Anjelina >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >>>>> >>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>>>>from >>>>> >>>>>paying the annual fee. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>>From: Marsha Drenth >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >>>>> >>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >>>>> >>>>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to >>>>>use >>>>> >>>>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >>>>> >>>>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't >>>>>use >>>>> >>>>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly >>>>>I >>>>> >>>>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie >>>>>books. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>>signature >>>>> >>>>>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >>>>> >>>>>com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Anjelina >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>>>> >>>>>l.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:27:44 -0500 >>> From: "Heather Field" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> Hi Kurt, >>> I downloaded Kindle for PC and then bought an ebook with speech enabled. >>> However, I believe I still need an accessibility plugin or some such >>> add-on >>> to make it fully accessible. As you're having great success with using >>> Kindle, can you please advise me as to what I need to do so I can read >>> my >>> ebook. >>> >>> Thanks so much. >>> Heather >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kirt Manwaring >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:52 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >>> >>> Peter, >>> I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time >>> using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their >>> own, I guess. >>> Warmly, >>> Kirt >>> >>> On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> Hello Joseph and everyone, >>>> >>>> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. >>>> It >>>> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access >>>> for >>>> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in >>>> helping >>>> to >>>> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio >>>> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or >>>> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: >>>> http://www.blio.com >>>> >>>> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a >>>> great >>>> product. Now to add more books to our collection. >>>> >>>> Peter Donahue >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be >>>> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works >>>> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* >>>> >>>> Joseph - kf7qzc >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>>>>Listers, >>>>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>Jan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is >>>>>free. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>Behalf >>>>> >>>>>Of Anjelina >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >>>>> >>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>>>>from >>>>> >>>>>paying the annual fee. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>>From: Marsha Drenth >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >>>>> >>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >>>>> >>>>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to >>>>>use >>>>> >>>>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >>>>> >>>>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't >>>>>use >>>>> >>>>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly >>>>>I >>>>> >>>>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie >>>>>books. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>>signature >>>>> >>>>>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >>>>> >>>>>com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Anjelina >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>>>> >>>>>l.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/missheather%40comcast.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:49:43 -0400 >>> From: >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> Message-ID: <1DD7E36205204D098FAF6758FBF60CAC at OwnerPC> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David Dunphy >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> >>> Hi Everybody! >>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >>> nabslinkaudio.org. >>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >>> spam, etc. >>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >>> to a new provider. >>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >>> online again. >>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >>> said messages and no one else >>> and >>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >>> validated by the owner >>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >>> once you see it! >>> If you have any questions, please email me at >>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >>> Thank you. >>> >From David >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:09:38 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> Technical problems, technical problems! First, nabslinkaudio.org's Web >>> hosting service motherboard fried, and I just got an email saying that >>> AAR will be temporarily offline! Wow! I completely understand. Thanks >>> for the update, and I look forward to listening to the meeting! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 8/13/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>>> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: David Dunphy >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>>> >>>> Hi Everybody! >>>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >>>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >>>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >>>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >>>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >>>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >>>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >>>> nabslinkaudio.org. >>>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >>>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >>>> spam, etc. >>>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >>>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >>>> to a new provider. >>>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >>>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >>>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >>>> online again. >>>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >>>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >>>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >>>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >>>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >>>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >>>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >>>> said messages and no one else >>>> and >>>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >>>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >>>> validated by the owner >>>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >>>> once you see it! >>>> If you have any questions, please email me at >>>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >>>> Thank you. >>>> >From David >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 7 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:00:54 -0400 >>> From: >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>> Message-ID: <94D3A84AC9CB48E483A5C87D966FF189 at OwnerPC> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> David, >>> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation >>> adult >>> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational >>> transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have >>> a >>> short summer experience to comment on. >>> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult >>> program >>> because I am thinking of going back for training. >>> >>> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. >>> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now >>> it?s >>> a >>> shorter program since they have a new program called >>> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the >>> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I >>> known >>> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE >>> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The >>> teens >>> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. >>> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I >>> was >>> friends with the RWWE students though. >>> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of >>> field >>> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and >>> RWWE >>> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. >>> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each >>> other >>> since there was some overlap in experience. >>> >>> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living >>> skills. >>> Its like the youth version of the rehab program. >>> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. >>> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students >>> had >>> club activities and in the evening >>> there were more activities and some of them were off campus. >>> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class >>> period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra >>> curriculars >>> and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already knew. I >>> wonder >>> if the adult program is more individualized with a good evaluation of >>> skills before you learn skills in class. >>> >>> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, >>> and >>> information technology. In communication some students learned braille >>> but >>> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to >>> erase >>> a >>> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. >>> In >>> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on >>> cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and >>> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found >>> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained >>> things. >>> There was another student in my class. We made >>> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We >>> had >>> a >>> lesson on putting on lipstick too. >>> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and >>> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. >>> >>> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing >>> and >>> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the >>> bus. >>> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to >>> Newton >>> center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I >>> had >>> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. >>> >>> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was >>> ten >>> years ago! >>> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay >>> objects and painted them. >>> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or >>> goal >>> ball. >>> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to >>> swim, >>> but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping >>> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. >>> >>> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually >>> fun. >>> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where >>> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and >>> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us >>> to >>> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and >>> museums. >>> >>> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one >>> student >>> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision >>> impaired. >>> >>> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David Dodge >>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>> >>> Hello Everyone, >>> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind >>> in >>> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>> center? >>> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >>> >>> David >>> ---------------------------------- >>> David Dodge >>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 8 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:28:47 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> , Blind Talk Mailing List >>> , >>> "g List\" , \"nfbmd\" , >>> \"nabs\" , \"maryland-l\" , >>> \"Ross >>> Hammond\" , \"alena roberts\"" >>> >>> Cc: Ariana Lipka , ariannas.art at gmail.com >>> Subject: [nabs-l] announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: >>> new email address for the business >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I'd like to let everyone know of a new and exciting change in our >>> painting business for the blind and sighted, Arianna's Art, Inc. We've >>> just created an email account where you can send us questions, >>> comments, suggestions, or any other information regarding our >>> business. If you would like to advertise our product by displaying it >>> at your next NFB, ACB, or any other meeting or event, or would like to >>> advertise us in any other way, you can also contact us via this email. >>> Our email address is ariannas.art at gmail.com. We're also trying to >>> create an email list for people who would like to recieve >>> announcements from us. In other words, if you specify that you would >>> like to be added to our email list, we'll add your email address to >>> our contacts list, and whenever we have a new announcement, we'll >>> email it to you. If you'd like to recieve announcements from us, >>> please leave us your name and email address at the above email. The >>> email address once again is ariannas.art at gmail.com. Arianna has two >>> n's and there's no apostrophe before the s. Hope to hear from you >>> soon! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 9 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:57:40 +0000 >>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" >>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94 at SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >>> >>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >>> with >>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>> >>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >>> all >>> of the other students involved. If only considering the social >>> frontier, >>> I >>> highly recommend it. >>> >>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>> Real >>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>> experience >>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>> that >>> I >>> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, >>> so >>> I >>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >>> use >>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >>> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >>> but >>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >>> I >>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>> the >>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >>> all >>> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >>> visual field and acuity. >>> >>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >>> I >>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>> chosen. >>> >>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >>> confidence >>> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>> devices, >>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >>> we >>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >>> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>> students >>> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >>> activities >>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >>> saw >>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>> were >>> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>> talk," >>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >>> led >>> to self-awareness and confidence building. >>> >>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>> skills >>> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >>> by >>> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>> responsible >>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>> had >>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >>> they >>> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us >>> at >>> a >>> distance while we were in the environment. >>> >>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >>> end >>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >>> They >>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>> center >>> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >>> a >>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >>> but >>> it >>> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>> dining >>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >>> navigate >>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>> counter-clockwise direction. >>> >>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >>> it >>> is not the very best option available. >>> >>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> >>> Justin M. Salisbury >>> Undergraduate Student >>> The University Honors Program >>> East Carolina University >>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> >>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 10 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:03:06 -0400 >>> From: David Dodge >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> Thanks so much. He is doing the Youth in Transition program and is >>> interested in doing some other programs as well. Good to know you had >>> very >>> positive experiences. >>> >>> David >>> ---------------------------------- >>> David Dodge >>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM, wrote: >>> >>>> David, >>>> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation >>>> adult >>>> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational >>>> transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have >>>> a >>>> short summer experience to comment on. >>>> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult >>>> program >>>> because I am thinking of going back for training. >>>> >>>> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. >>>> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now >>>> it?s >>>> a >>>> shorter program since they have a new program called >>>> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the >>>> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I >>>> known >>>> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE >>>> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The >>>> teens >>>> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. >>>> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. >>>> I >>>> was friends with the RWWE students though. >>>> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of >>>> field >>>> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and >>>> RWWE >>>> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. >>>> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each >>>> other >>>> since there was some overlap in experience. >>>> >>>> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living >>>> skills. >>>> Its like the youth version of the rehab program. >>>> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. >>>> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, >>>> students >>>> had club activities and in the evening >>>> there were more activities and some of them were off campus. >>>> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class >>>> period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra >>>> curriculars and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I >>>> already >>>> knew. I wonder if the adult program is more individualized with a >>>> good >>>> evaluation of skills before you learn skills in class. >>>> >>>> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, >>>> and >>>> information technology. In communication some students learned braille >>>> but >>>> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to >>>> erase >>>> a >>>> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. >>>> In >>>> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on >>>> cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting >>>> and >>>> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but >>>> found >>>> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained >>>> things. >>>> There was another student in my class. We made >>>> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We >>>> had >>>> a >>>> lesson on putting on lipstick too. >>>> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and >>>> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. >>>> >>>> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing >>>> and >>>> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the >>>> bus. >>>> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to >>>> Newton >>>> center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I >>>> had >>>> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. >>>> >>>> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It >>>> was >>>> ten years ago! >>>> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay >>>> objects and painted them. >>>> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or >>>> goal >>>> ball. >>>> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to >>>> swim, >>>> but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping >>>> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. >>>> >>>> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually >>>> fun. >>>> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio >>>> where >>>> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and >>>> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us >>>> to >>>> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and >>>> museums. >>>> >>>> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one >>>> student >>>> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision >>>> impaired. >>>> >>>> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. >>>> -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge >>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>>> >>>> Hello Everyone, >>>> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind >>>> in >>>> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>>> center? >>>> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >>>> >>>> David >>>> ------------------------------**---- >>>> David Dodge >>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>>> English Major >>>> University at Buffalo >>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 11 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:59:07 -0500 >>> From: Gabe Cazares >>> To: members , tabs_students >>> , nabs-l >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the >>> move and a corrected link >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> FYI >>> >>> ...Gabe >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: David Andrews >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 >>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >>> corrected >>> link >>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>>> >>>>Hello, >>>> >>>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >>>>Ground >>>>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >>>>about >>>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >>>>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >>>> >>>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers >>>> list >>>>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >>>>book >>>>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >>>>purchased >>>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one >>>>please >>>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All >>>>copies >>>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >>>> >>>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >>>>If >>>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>>>lessons around >>>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at >>>>bookstores. >>>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >>>>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful >>>>to >>>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before >>>> Roselle >>>>passed on June 26, 2011. >>>> >>>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that >>>>"Thunder >>>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >>>>The >>>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>>>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind >>>>convention >>>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >>>> >>>>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated >>>>as >>>>a >>>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American >>>>Humane >>>>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the >>>> eight >>>>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >>>>problem. >>>>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >>>>and >>>>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >>>>Alma Mater. >>>> >>>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As >>>>always, >>>>if >>>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >>>>looking >>>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and >>>>contact >>>>information. I hope all is well with you. >>>> >>>> >>>>Best, >>>> >>>> >>>>Mike Hingson >>>> >>>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >>>> "Speaking with Vision" >>>>Michael Hingson, President >>>>(415) 827-4084 >>>>info at michaelhingson.com >>>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>>>www.michaelhingson.com >>>> >>>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year >>>>at >>>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >>>> >>>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nfbnet-members-list mailing list >>> Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Gabriel M. Cazares, >>> 2nd Vice President >>> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS >>> (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) >>> www.nfbtx.org/tabs >>> Phone: 713-581-0619 >>> "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest >>> willing to let them." >>> -Robert Frost >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 12 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:57:26 -0600 >>> From: Beth >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award >>> Message-ID: <4e47aa32.87cee70a.3a4e.ffffa021 at mx.google.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed >>> >>> Hi, guys. >>> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear >>> of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for >>> her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys >>> have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog >>> myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I >>> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been >>> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've >>> heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in >>> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all >>> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. >>> Thanks. >>> Beth >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 13 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:08:02 -0500 >>> From: "Peter Donahue" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> Message-ID: <003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43 at yourfsyly0jtwn> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >>> >>> Hello Justin and everyone, >>> >>> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll >>> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >>> saw >>> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >>> What >>> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>> "Dying." >>> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>> need >>> once and it will last you a life time. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> >>> >>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >>> with >>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>> >>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >>> all >>> of the other students involved. If only considering the social >>> frontier, >>> I >>> highly recommend it. >>> >>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>> Real >>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>> experience >>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>> that >>> I >>> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, >>> so >>> I >>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >>> use >>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >>> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >>> but >>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >>> I >>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>> the >>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >>> all >>> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >>> visual field and acuity. >>> >>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >>> I >>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>> chosen. >>> >>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >>> confidence >>> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>> devices, >>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >>> we >>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >>> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>> students >>> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >>> activities >>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >>> saw >>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>> were >>> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>> talk," >>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >>> led >>> to self-awareness and confidence building. >>> >>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>> skills >>> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >>> by >>> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>> responsible >>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>> had >>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >>> they >>> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us >>> at >>> a >>> distance while we were in the environment. >>> >>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >>> end >>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >>> They >>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>> center >>> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >>> a >>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >>> but >>> it >>> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>> dining >>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >>> navigate >>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>> counter-clockwise direction. >>> >>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >>> it >>> is not the very best option available. >>> >>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> >>> Justin M. Salisbury >>> Undergraduate Student >>> The University Honors Program >>> East Carolina University >>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> >>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 14 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:32:38 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] sending a message to all Gmail contacts? >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I have a question for all Gmail users. Is there a way that I can send >>> a message to all Gmail contacts at the same time? Is there some kind >>> of "send to all" button like there is on my mom's Yahoo account? I'm >>> asking because, as I posted last night, our business (Arianna's Art, >>> Inc.) has created a new Gmail account where people can send us >>> questions, feedback, orders, etc. We'd also like to create a contacts >>> list for our Gmail account, and send out an email to all our contacts >>> when we have a new announcement or a piece of news. So, can I do this >>> in Gmail without Google group? If I can't do this with JAWS in Basic >>> HTML mode, I'll just create a list on Google Groups. But, can I send >>> one message to all contacts? Thanks! >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 15 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:34:34 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Blind Talk Mailing List >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors >>> flier >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" >>> >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:38:39 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier >>> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." >>> >>> >>> *Employment Mentoring Project* >>> >>> *Seeking Professionals Who Are Blind * >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Remember the challenges you faced in finding your first job?? >>> >>> Would you like to help a college student who is also blind begin their >>> career in a profession similar to yours?? >>> >>> We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with >>> mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. >>> >>> *BENEFITS* >>> >>> ?Opportunity to mentor a college student who is blind and is interested >>> in working in your profession >>> >>> ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community >>> >>> *RESPONSIBILITIES* >>> >>> ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after your mentee >>> graduates >>> >>> ?Help your mentee develop career goals and offer opportunities for job >>> shadowing >>> >>> ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month >>> >>> ?Complete online activities monthly >>> >>> ** >>> >>> *ELIGIBILITY* >>> >>> ?Legal blindness >>> >>> ?Currently employed or retired from a professional career >>> >>> ?Has basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility >>> software/hardware needed to access online materials >>> >>> *INTERESTED?* >>> >>> ?*Complete the eligibility survey at >>> *http://tiny.cc/mentor-professionals** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State >>> University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at >>> rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: >>> 1-800-675-7782 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 16 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:37:04 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> , Blind Talk Mailing List >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees >>> flier. >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" >>> >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:37:29 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. >>> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." >>> >>> >>> *Employment Mentoring Project* >>> >>> *For Students Who Are Legally Blind* >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Is finding a job your next big step after graduation?? >>> >>> Would you like the opportunity to work with a mentor who is also blind >>> and has experience in your profession of interest?? >>> >>> We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with >>> mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. >>> >>> *BENEFITS* >>> >>> ?Potential to work with a career mentor who is blind >>> >>> ?Access to career development resources >>> >>> ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community >>> >>> *RESPONSIBILITIES* >>> >>> ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after graduation >>> >>> ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month >>> >>> ?Complete online activities monthly >>> >>> ** >>> >>> *ELIGIBILITY* >>> >>> ?Undergraduate or graduate student, under age 35, who: >>> >>> oIs legally blind >>> >>> oPlans to graduate within 2-3 semesters after January 2012 >>> >>> oExpects to seek employment after graduation >>> >>> oHas basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility >>> software/hardware needed to access online materials >>> >>> *INTERESTED?* >>> >>> ?*Complete eligibility survey online at >>> *http://tiny.cc/mentor-students** >>> >>> ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State >>> University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at >>> rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: >>> 1-800-675-7782 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 17 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:50:16 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >>> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >>> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >>> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >>> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >>> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >>> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >>> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >>> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >>> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >>> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >>> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >>> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> Hello Justin and everyone, >>>> >>>> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the >>>> Carroll >>>> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >>>> saw >>>> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >>>> What >>>> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>>> "Dying." >>>> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>>> need >>>> once and it will last you a life time. >>>> >>>> Peter Donahue >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>>> >>>> >>>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >>>> with >>>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>>> >>>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>>> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience >>>> with >>>> all >>>> of the other students involved. If only considering the social >>>> frontier, >>>> I >>>> highly recommend it. >>>> >>>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>>> Real >>>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>>> experience >>>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>>> that >>>> >>>> I >>>> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, >>>> so >>>> I >>>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >>>> use >>>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>>> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>>> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during >>>> O&M >>>> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >>>> but >>>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >>>> I >>>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>>> the >>>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will >>>> learn >>>> all >>>> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a >>>> stable >>>> visual field and acuity. >>>> >>>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was >>>> before >>>> I >>>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>>> chosen. >>>> >>>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >>>> confidence >>>> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >>>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>>> devices, >>>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >>>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >>>> we >>>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >>>> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>>> students >>>> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >>>> activities >>>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >>>> saw >>>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>>> were >>>> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>>> talk," >>>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >>>> led >>>> to self-awareness and confidence building. >>>> >>>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>>> skills >>>> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >>>> by >>>> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>>> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different >>>> students >>>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>>> responsible >>>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>>> had >>>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >>>> they >>>> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us >>>> at >>>> a >>>> distance while we were in the environment. >>>> >>>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at >>>> the >>>> end >>>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. >>>> They >>>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >>>> They >>>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>>> center >>>> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live >>>> in >>>> a >>>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >>>> but >>>> it >>>> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>>> dining >>>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >>>> navigate >>>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>>> counter-clockwise direction. >>>> >>>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, >>>> but >>>> it >>>> is not the very best option available. >>>> >>>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Justin M. Salisbury >>>> Undergraduate Student >>>> The University Honors Program >>>> East Carolina University >>>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>>> >>>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>>> change >>>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET >>>> MEAD >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 18 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:58:53 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi Beth, >>> >>> Amen to that! I'm going to try on my PC, as the site was a little >>> weird with my BrailleNote, so it may be better with JAWS. I have >>> recently finished reading Thunder Dog (my friend picked a copy up for >>> me at national convention, as I wasn't there... what a bad >>> Federationist I am, *smiles) and it's a wonderfull story. You'll love >>> it! Enjoy the book! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> P.S. Does anybody know when the deadline for voting for Roselle is? >>> Did Mike mention this in one of his emails, and I just didn't pay >>> attention? >>> >>> On 8/14/11, Beth wrote: >>>> Hi, guys. >>>> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear >>>> of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for >>>> her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys >>>> have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog >>>> myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I >>>> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been >>>> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've >>>> heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in >>>> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all >>>> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. >>>> Thanks. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 19 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:49:13 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on >>> the move and a corrected link >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi Gabe, >>> >>> Just FYI, you don't need to send emails to the NABS list if they come >>> across as posted to the NFBnet-members list. When Dave Andrews posts >>> something to the NFBnet-members or NFBnet-master lists, it goes to >>> everybody who's on any NFBnet lists. This reduces Inbox clutter for >>> people who are on multiple lists, as a message is sent to one list, >>> then forwarded to another list on the same server as the first, then >>> another, and another... well, you see what I mean. The other lists you >>> posted it to hadn't seen the message before you sent it, though, >>> because they're on different servers. Just letting you know! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 8/13/11, Gabe Cazares wrote: >>>> FYI >>>> >>>> ...Gabe >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: David Andrews >>>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 >>>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >>>> corrected >>>> link >>>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Hello, >>>>> >>>>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>>>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >>>>> Ground >>>>>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >>>>> about >>>>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues >>>>>to >>>>>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >>>>> >>>>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>>>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers >>>>>list >>>>>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >>>>> book >>>>>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >>>>> purchased >>>>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one >>>>> please >>>>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All >>>>> copies >>>>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >>>>> >>>>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble >>>>>charts. >>>>> If >>>>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>>>>lessons around >>>>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at >>>>> bookstores. >>>>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com >>>>>and >>>>>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful >>>>>to >>>>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before >>>>>Roselle >>>>>passed on June 26, 2011. >>>>> >>>>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that >>>>>"Thunder >>>>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >>>>> The >>>>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>>>>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>>>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind >>>>> convention >>>>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >>>>> >>>>>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated >>>>> as >>>>> a >>>>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American >>>>>Humane >>>>>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the >>>>>eight >>>>>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >>>>> problem. >>>>>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the >>>>>time >>>>> and >>>>>vote for her at >>>>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>>>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>>>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>>>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, >>>>>her >>>>>Alma Mater. >>>>> >>>>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As >>>>>always, >>>>> if >>>>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >>>>> looking >>>>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and >>>>>contact >>>>>information. I hope all is well with you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Best, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Mike Hingson >>>>> >>>>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >>>>> "Speaking with Vision" >>>>>Michael Hingson, President >>>>>(415) 827-4084 >>>>>info at michaelhingson.com >>>>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>>>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>>>>www.michaelhingson.com >>>>> >>>>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year >>>>>at >>>>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >>>>> >>>>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Nfbnet-members-list mailing list >>>> Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gabriel M. Cazares, >>>> 2nd Vice President >>>> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS >>>> (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) >>>> www.nfbtx.org/tabs >>>> Phone: 713-581-0619 >>>> "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest >>>> willing to let them." >>>> -Robert Frost >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 20 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:25:30 -0400 >>> From: Patrick Molloy >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hello everyone: >>> I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds >>> are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something >>> to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more >>> accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days? >>> (I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't >>> compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be >>> appreciated. >>> Thanks, >>> Patrick Molloy >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 >>> ************************************** >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Aug 19 03:51:41 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:51:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Technology questions In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110818204150.01cbdc30@earthlink.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20110818191127.01d42850@earthlink.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20110818204150.01cbdc30@earthlink.net> Message-ID: All this talk about cell phones, and I'm stuck with an outtdated Trakfone! Blessings, Joshua On 8/18/11, Carly wrote: > > > Hi, a brother in Havenland, > > Let's hear it for the Samsung Haven!At 07:50 PM 8/18/2011, Justin Young > wrote: >>Hello, >> >>I also have Verizon which to my knowledge there is the Samson Haven >>which is fairly accessible from what I noticed. I have one myself and >>have been impressed with it. There is also the new IPhone which in >>inquiring from a friend who is blind and told me its hard at first, >>but once you get use to it it is great. >> >>As for JAWS I don't know of any special licenses, but last I knew it >>cost about $800 or so. >> >>Justin >> >>On 8/18/11, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >> > >> > >> > Hi, Adriana, >> > >> > Depends on where you live. I suggest Verizon to >> > which II may be partial since that is the company >> > to which I personally, subscribe. >> > >> > Someone else ought to chime in about JAWS. >> > >> > Where are you from, Adriana? >> > for today, >> > Car At 01:31 PM 8/18/2011, you wrote: >> >>Hi all, >> >> >> >>I just arrived at the US 10 days ago, and I'm about to start my >> >>master's degree at UF. >> >>I just have some questions and I hope you guys could help me solve them. >> >>I'm trying to get a movile phone number: Which movile company do you >> >>suggest me to choose? And which do you think is the best option for a >> >>blind person in terms of movile phones? >> >> >> >>I also would like to know more about the way you acquire jaws licence >> >>here in the US. Is it possible for blind people to get a full licence >> >>at a lower cost? >> >> >> >>I really thank you for the information you could provide! >> >> >> >>-- >> >>Adriana Pulido >> >>Filóloga en Inglés y músico de la Universidad >> >>Nacional de Colombia. Becaria Fulbright para Maestría. >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_n >> fbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From carlymih at earthlink.net Fri Aug 19 04:11:51 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 21:11:51 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness, Loss, and Therapy In-Reply-To: <4e4dd8be.d235e70a.3cdd.3a19@mx.google.com> References: <4e4dd8be.d235e70a.3cdd.3a19@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110818210447.01cd9a90@earthlink.net> Hi, Beth, 'Sounds sort of like the way I was raised, with my folks being dismissive of blind people's abbilities. yett, I didn't have any real issues with which a therapist and meds, needed to be involved. 'sounds that you did. It's just perhaps a natural realization of your folks not necessarily having, what you see as your best interests, in mind. How is Metro, treating you? I think you've started, by now. for today, CarAt 08:29 PM 8/18/2011, you wrote: >I don't think blind people should not have to >have therapy. I have therapy, however, for a >different reason. But you could say it was >related to blindness. My parents from an early >age embarrassed, sheltered, and otherwise tried >to uproot my childhood. I could not comee to >terms, for instance, with the reality behind who >I was. My mother wanted to make me a real >person, understand that being real meant >accepting that youare "negative" or "bad" in >some way. Blindness was seen as a bad thing in >the household. Because I was told I acted >poorly, I was hidden fro the public eye, then >was thrown at counselors and told that I was the >broken child. My parents, however, do not know >this, but family dynamics were the reason I was >on medications and therapy. Both do not help >much because right now, my current doc is too >far away for me to see. She lives and works way >down in Centennial, while I live in East Denver >now. I need a doc here in Denver, but it >appears the Medicaid came through. Blind people >should not have to have this kind of hassle. >Psychiatrists and therapists are not there to fix one person. >They should fix the family, not the >person. It's like a doctor who treats countries, not patients. >Beth > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Arielle Silverman To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 21:03:41 -0600 >Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness, Loss, and Therapy > >Hi Ashley and all, >Yes, the traditional loss models do resonate with many people's >initial experiences with blindness, and they aren't totally >defeatist-they do allow for the blind person to eventually come to >acceptance over time. The major problem with them is the notion that >people won't be able to succeed in rehabilitation until they've spent >some time wallowing in depression. Deliberately waiting to offer >rehabilitation training until the individual has been blind and >depressed for a while carries the obvious risk of making the >depression and sense of helplessness worse. >I think the discussion here brings up an interesting question: Should >training centers for the blind provide counseling or psychotherapy >either as an optional service, or as a required part of the >curriculum. I'm not sure of the best answer to that. Certainly many >students at centers would benefit from counseling-about blindness >issues or unrelated problems-but should everyone be presumed to need >counseling? Is having a counselor or psychologist on the center staff >a good idea or does it promote the notion that blind people all need >therapy? I'd be curious to hear your opinions on this. >Just as an aside, the summer camp for the blind I mentioned earlier >did have weekly group counseling as part of its programming. >Personally, I thought it was totally bogus, and in retrospect I >realize that was probably because we rarely discussed blindness or >other related experiences in the group. Sometimes we did discuss >common experiences and challenges with adolescence, but because we >were all so different, I didn't really feel like I was sharing >meaningful ideas with my peers about common issues. I probably derived >more therapeutic benefit from commiserating about blindness-related >issues with blind friends in late-night phone calls than I did in the >group. It also seemed a bit weird to be in group therapy generally. >But, perhaps if done right this kind of peer support group could offer >some benefit. >Arielle > >On 8/16/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >Arielle, >I'd like to read a little of his book even though I won't agree with Mr. >Carroll. >No, probably not all of it, but a little to hear straight from the source. >Good post that seemed objective. I, too, have heard theories on adjustment >to blindness. >Yes such a loss theory does oversimplify the situation. But to me it makes >some sense; although you are right that someone may get over the denial and >depression if their family is supportive and encourages them to move on and >get blindness skills. >People cope with losses differently and as with any loss your environment >and personal attitude helps you overcome such a loss. > >I've certainly met people going through vision loss and yes they are >depressed a little bit. Imagine losing vision and knowing you will have to >give up your driver's license? >Can you imagine reading the paper or browsing magazines and then no longer >being able to read the paper at breakfast or browse the news stand and >magazine stand? >These are two big losses for someone who had full vision or enough vision to >function in a sighted manner. >Yes we can get around; but public transit has a lot to be desired; and if >you want to go out on weekends, well most buses do not run on weekends. Heck >most buses stop running at mid evening. >American society really does not make public transit a priority! We as a >society favor the driver; so giving up those car keys is a huge loss. >Then there is reading. Most books are not produced in alternative format; >most newspapers are not accessible either. >As someone who was legally blind for their life, I >am used to these constraints. I never browsed the clothes rack or the news >stand; I never picked up the local Journal or Gazette and read it. >So for me, its life, nothing I've missed. But if you have RP and read or >drove 20 years, I can understand that it’s a loss. Can you adapt and go on >with life? >Of course you can. But I can see why the loss is a prevalent theory. I know >people who are going through vision loss due to RP or something and its >hard. Even if they embrace learning new skills, its harder. For instance, >some of them lack the finger sensativity to feel the braille dots; they can >read slowly or they cannot read at all. > >Anyway, the staff at Carroll seemed up beat and nice. They gave the youth >age appropriate experiences and an introduction to blindness sports and >daily living. >No one implied blindness was a bad thing to us students. I guess some staff >members still hold that loss theory in their heads though; they certainly >did not show it. >Father Carroll founded it and died a long time ago. I'm not >sure how much the center is the same now. There is certainly new staff and >probably new ideas in the current center. >No it its not NFB philosophy. Just saying they might have a more positive >attitude and higher expectations than the founder did. > >Okay, I'll go get the book this week. Can't read all of it; I might get >depressed. >Ashley > >-----Original Message----- >From: Arielle Silverman >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:43 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness a dying? > >Hi all, >Interesting. I didn't realize the founder of the Carroll Center was >the same guy who wrote "Blindness: What it Is, What it Does and How to >Live with It". I haven't actually read the book myself, but I have >read other articles who have cited it, and in fact I read up quite a >bit on Carroll's philosophy as part of a grant proposal I recently >wrote. >Fr. Carroll was one of several blindness rehab scholars in the 1960's >and 1970's who advocated a "loss model" explaining how people adjust >to blindness. These loss models postulate that losing one's eyesight >is a lot like experiencing the death of a loved one and that people >cope with it in similar fashion by going through various stages of >grief, like denial, depression, anger and despair, before they >eventually come to accept the loss and move forward. My understanding >is that loss-model advocates generally believed people who lose their >sight are not "ready" to begin getting training in alternative >techniques until they have had time to process their sadness and >grief. What is so unfortunate about these kinds of theories is that >they imply everyone reacts to blindness in the same way, and that >these negative emotional reactions are inevitable and will happen >regardless of what rehab professionals or others (like family members, >spouses, etc.) do. Luckily, more recently scholars in the field have >noticed that not everyone who becomes blind experiences depression or >grief and that some people actually do quite well with early training >in alternative skills. Scholars have also begun to understand that the >reactions of the important people in a blind person's life can play a >huge role in determining how that blind person copes and that much of >the depression, frustration, etc. that come from blindness actually >come from other people's negative reactions, as well as the temporary >sense of incompetence that comes from not knowing alternative skills. >The problem with theories like Carroll's, I think, is that they assume >blindness affects everyone equally. Of course many of us who lose >vision experience temporary depression and grief, and of course even >those of us who have been blind our whole lives have times when we >hate blindness. But clearly not everyone reacts in the same way or >finds their lives dominated by these negative feelings. It's similar >to research we often see showing how blind children on average are >deficient or delayed in all kinds of developmental areas. This may be >true on average, but it's not true for all blind kids. These kinds of >conclusions that focus on blind people as a group may be accurate, but >they're oversimplified. They fail to account for all the factors that >allow some of us to end up better-adjusted than others. What >distinguishes newly blind folks who get depressed from those who >don't? What separates blind kids who start crawling or walking on time >from those who don't? These kinds of questions, I think, are rarely >asked, but they're much more important than the questions that lump >all blind people together, because they show us what controllable >factors make real differences in our lives. If we don't ask these >kinds of questions, we end up concluding that blindness is a kind of >equal-opportunity buzzkill that will leave all of us maladjusted and >unproductive regardless of what we do. And that's depressing! >Arielle > >On 8/16/11, chris nusbaum wrote: >Hi Justin, > >Don't hold your breath for having a Federationist take over the >Carroll Center! Well, it may happen, but I don't see it happening >soon, as they've worked very closely with the AFB (I think) and a lot >of them still believe in what FR Carroll did. > >Chris > >On 8/16/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >Hello Justin and everyone, > > You can read all about FR. Carroll's belief about blindness being a >"Dying" in his book "Blindness: What it is, What it does,and How to Live >With It." You should be able to get the book from NLS, Learning Allie, or >Bookshare.org. I read it in the late 1970s and became totally depressed >after reading three chapters of it. Dr. Jernigan quoted from it in his >address: "Blindness Handicap or Characteristic." > >Peter Donahue > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:42 AM >Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > > >I just want to summarize my view on the Carroll Center: > >If it's the only opportunity you have to get some skills that you don't >already have, it can benefit you. If you have the opportunity to attend >an >NFB training center (or BISM, which Amy Phelps runs with an NFB >philosophy), >choose it over the Carroll Center 100 out of 100 times. > >I've never heard the "dying" thing about Father Carroll, but it does not >surprise me. I would love to get a good Federationist to take over the >management of the Carroll Center. > >Justin > >Justin M. Salisbury >Undergraduate Student >The University Honors Program >East Carolina University >salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu > >“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >change >the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” >—MARGARET MEAD > > >________________________________________ >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org] >Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:00 PM >To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 > >Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (David Dunphy) > 2. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (Justin Young) > 3. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Kirt Manwaring) > 4. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Heather Field) > 5. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read > (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > 6. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (chris nusbaum) > 7. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > 8. announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: new email > address for the business (chris nusbaum) > 9. The Carroll Center for the Blind (Salisbury, Justin Mark) > 10. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (David Dodge) > 11. Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a > corrected link (Gabe Cazares) > 12. AMerican Hero Dog Award (Beth) > 13. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (Peter Donahue) > 14. sending a message to all Gmail contacts? (chris nusbaum) > 15. Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier > (chris nusbaum) > 16. Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. > (chris nusbaum) > 17. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (chris nusbaum) > 18. Re: AMerican Hero Dog Award (chris nusbaum) > 19. Re: Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move > and a corrected link (chris nusbaum) > 20. accessible iPod (Patrick Molloy) > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >----- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:11:26 -0400 >From: David Dunphy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >Message-ID: > >om >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Hi Everybody! >I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >nabslinkaudio.org. >So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >spam, etc. >So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >to a new provider. >During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >online again. >Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >said messages and no one else >and >2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >validated by the owner >Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >once you see it! >If you have any questions, please email me at >djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >Thank you. > From David > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:29:42 -0400 >From: Justin Young To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >Message-ID: > >om >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Hi David, > >No problem. I did three different programs. In the Summer of 2006 I >did the Youth In Transition(YIT) program which is heavily focused upon >daily living skills. There were classes from 8:45-3pm Mon-Fri. >Then >there was activities that you did clubs and stuff like that. >Some >were fun and some not really. You have the opportunity to do fencing, >and other evening activities. Some of the evening ones were more >arts/crafts style if I recall. Its hard to say with the >extracurriculars cuz they changed ever year. The ones whichwere the >same were Fencing, Sailing, shopping and others which I forget. >The >next Summer I did the Real World of Work Experience Program(RWWE) >which was 5 weeks where the first week is doing the classes to make >sure you can do all of it because like laundry you had to wait until >after classes were over or on weekends as well. Once you begin >working its great I must say. When I did it they selected a place for >you and you were on the job site for Mon, Wed, Fri and Tues & Thu you >went on Field Trips. Oh yes I forgot about those we went on those as >well in YIT. They were to fun places, movies, golfing & stuff like >that. For the RWWE program though on Thursdays we went on Work >related field trips. Like once we went to the State House in Boston >and tried to go to Cape Cod, but the van I was in broke down so >couldn't do that one. There were still the activities in the >afternoon and evening. I didn't really do the ones in the afternoon >because I got back from work to late always. I worked at the Newton >Welseley Hospital in the Receiving Department which was fun after I >got a hand of what I was doing, the layout of the place and confidence >that I could do it all. I delivered to depts mainly. For my Final >Summer I and 4 others were involved in the pilot program of Transition >To College(TTC) in the Summer of 2008. This program was 4 weeks where >we did 2 at the Carroll Center like the YIT program and 2 at Boston >College. The 2 weeks of the classes is to ensure we could do it while >at BC. There was also a 2 week period before the program started for >all in the program to do the Computing to College which is a computer >program based in the Technology Center at the Carroll Center. I >couldn't do this portion because I was finishing High School. >While >at BC we attended various seminars during the day and after I think >3pm it was we were free to do whatever we liked. We stayed in a dorm >which was a suite style and had a supervisor in one of the 5 rooms >with us. We were given each day $15 for food and had to give the >supervisor all receipts of what we spent. We definitely got our >exercise because our dorm was about a mile from the Education Building >where our seminars took place. We went on a field trip or two I don't >remember. I remember we went to either Boston University or one of >the UMass schools. I and a few of the others in the program took the >train to go places once or twice and a coffee shop was right on the >edge of the college and not far from our dorm. So, I went there >sometimes. > >It was a great three years full of making friends. The cons you >asked? Hmm, well it really depends upon how you look at which program >you are in. I would say that sometimes you were forced to do things >you didn't really want to do which is why I really liked the BC >living. I hope this helps you. > >Justin > >On 8/13/11, David Dodge wrote: >Justin, >Thanks for your e-mail. Clearly, you have a great deal of experience >with >the center. Can you tell me about the program you were in, what you >learned, >and how it helped you? Were there any cons to the center? Thanks so >much. > >David >---------------------------------- >David Dodge >Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >State University of New York Student Assembly >English Major >University at Buffalo >306 Clemens Hall >Buffalo, NY 14260 >daviddod at buffalo.edu > > >On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Justin Young wrote: > >Hi David, > >I have experience with this center since I spent 3 consecutive summers >at the Corroll Center. I would be happy to answer any questions you >may have. > >Justin Young > >On 8/12/11, David Dodge wrote: >Hello Everyone, >A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the >Blind >in >Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >center? >I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. > >David >---------------------------------- >David Dodge >Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >State University of New York Student Assembly >English Major >University at Buffalo >306 Clemens Hall >Buffalo, NY 14260 >daviddod at buffalo.edu >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40 >gmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod% >40buffalo.edu > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40 >gmail..com > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:52:23 -0600 >From: Kirt Manwaring To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >Message-ID: > >om >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > >Peter, > I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time >using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their >own, I guess. > Warmly, >Kirt > >On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >Hello Joseph and everyone, > > Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. >It >was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access >for >blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping >to >develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio >instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or >nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: >http://www.blio.com > > We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a >great >product. Now to add more books to our collection. > >Peter Donahue > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "T. Joseph Carter" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > >The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be >accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works >you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* > >Joseph - kf7qzc > > >On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >Listers, >Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? > >Thanks, >Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rania Ismail CMT To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > >I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is >free. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >Behalf > >Of Anjelina > >Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM > >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > > >I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >from > >paying the annual fee. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Marsha Drenth > >Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM > >To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > > >I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around > >convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to >use > >the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been > >grandfathered in since the beginning of time? > > > >At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't >use > >BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I > >can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie >books. > > > >Marsha > > > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature > >database 6364 (20110809) __________ > > > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > >http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac >26%40gmail. > >com > > > > > >Anjelina > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaisma >il04%40gmai > >l.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2% >40aol..com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tj >oseph%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2 >%40satx.rr.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.craz >ydude%40gmail.com > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:27:44 -0500 >From: "Heather Field" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; > reply-type=original > >Hi Kurt, >I downloaded Kindle for PC and then bought an ebook with speech enabled. >However, I believe I still need an accessibility plugin or some such >add-on >to make it fully accessible. As you're having great success with using >Kindle, can you please advise me as to what I need to do so I can read my >ebook. > >Thanks so much. >Heather > >-----Original Message----- >From: Kirt Manwaring >Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:52 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers > >Peter, > I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time >using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their >own, I guess. > Warmly, >Kirt > >On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >Hello Joseph and everyone, > > Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. >It >was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access >for >blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping >to >develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio >instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or >nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: >http://www.blio.com > > We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a >great >product. Now to add more books to our collection. > >Peter Donahue > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "T. Joseph Carter" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > >The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be >accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works >you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* > >Joseph - kf7qzc > > >On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >Listers, >Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? > >Thanks, >Jan > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rania Ismail CMT To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > >I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is >free. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >Behalf > >Of Anjelina > >Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM > >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > > >I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >from > >paying the annual fee. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Marsha Drenth > >Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM > >To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > > > >I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around > >convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to >use > >the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been > >grandfathered in since the beginning of time? > > > >At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't >use > >BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I > >can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie >books. > > > >Marsha > > > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature > >database 6364 (20110809) __________ > > > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > >http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac >26%40gmail. > >com > > > > > >Anjelina > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaisma >il04%40gmai > >l.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: > >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2% >40aol..com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tj >oseph%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2 >%40satx.rr.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.craz >ydude%40gmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/missheath >er%40comcast.net > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:49:43 -0400 >From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >Message-ID: <1DD7E36205204D098FAF6758FBF60CAC at OwnerPC >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. > >-----Original Message----- >From: David Dunphy >Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read > >Hi Everybody! >I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >nabslinkaudio.org. >So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >spam, etc. >So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >to a new provider. >During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >online again. >Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >said messages and no one else >and >2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >validated by the owner >Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >once you see it! >If you have any questions, please email me at >djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >Thank you. > From David > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma >hb%40earthlink.net > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:09:38 -0400 >From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >Message-ID: > >om >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Hi David, > >Technical problems, technical problems! First, nabslinkaudio.org's Web >hosting service motherboard fried, and I just got an email saying that >AAR will be temporarily offline! Wow! I completely understand. Thanks >for the update, and I look forward to listening to the meeting! > >Chris > >On 8/13/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. > >-----Original Message----- >From: David Dunphy >Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read > >Hi Everybody! >I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >nabslinkaudio.org. >So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >spam, etc. >So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >to a new provider. >During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >online again. >Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >said messages and no one else >and >2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >validated by the owner >Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >once you see it! >If you have any questions, please email me at >djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >Thank you. > From David > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma >hb%40earthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >sbaum%40gmail.com > > > >-- >Chris Nusbaum > >Sales and Advertising Coordinator > >Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > >Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > >Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:00:54 -0400 >From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >Message-ID: <94D3A84AC9CB48E483A5C87D966FF189 at OwnerPC >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > >David, >What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation >adult >program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational >transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a >short summer experience to comment on. >I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult >program >because I am thinking of going back for training. > >Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. >I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it?s >a >shorter program since they have a new program called >Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the >students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. >Had I >known >about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE >program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The >teens >in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. >That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I >was >friends with the RWWE students though. >In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of >field >trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and >RWWE >had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. >We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each >other >since there was some overlap in experience. > >In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living >skills. >Its like the youth version of the rehab program. >Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. >Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students >had >club activities and in the evening >there were more activities and some of them were off campus. >In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class >period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra >curriculars >and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already knew. I >wonder >if the adult program is more individualized with a good evaluation of >skills before you learn skills in class. > >Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, >and >information technology. In communication some students learned braille >but >I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase >a >tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. >In >personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on >cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and >spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found >Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained >things. >There was another student in my class. We made >cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had >a >lesson on putting on lipstick too. >Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and >bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. > >IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and >went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the >bus. >I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to >Newton >center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I >had >practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. > >The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was >ten >years ago! >I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay >objects and painted them. >I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or >goal >ball. >On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to >swim, >but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping >night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. > >We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually >fun. >I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where >they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and >outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to >know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and >museums. > >I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student >who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision >impaired. > >I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. >-----Original Message----- >From: David Dodge >Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? > >Hello Everyone, >A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind >in >Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >center? >I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. > >David >---------------------------------- >David Dodge >Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >State University of New York Student Assembly >English Major >University at Buffalo >306 Clemens Hall >Buffalo, NY 14260 >daviddod at buffalo.edu >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma >hb%40earthlink.net > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 8 >Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:28:47 -0400 >From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > , Blind Talk Mailing List >, > "g List\" , \"nfbmd\" , > \"nabs\" , \"maryland-l\" , >\"Ross > Hammond\" , \"alena roberts\"" > Cc: Ariana Lipka , ariannas.art at gmail.com >Subject: [nabs-l] announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: > new email address for the business >Message-ID: > >om >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >-- >Chris Nusbaum > >Sales and Advertising Coordinator > >Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > >Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > >Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > >Hi everyone, > >I'd like to let everyone know of a new and exciting change in our >painting business for the blind and sighted, Arianna's Art, Inc. We've >just created an email account where you can send us questions, >comments, suggestions, or any other information regarding our >business. If you would like to advertise our product by displaying it >at your next NFB, ACB, or any other meeting or event, or would like to >advertise us in any other way, you can also contact us via this email. >Our email address is ariannas.art at gmail.com. We're also trying to >create an email list for people who would like to recieve >announcements from us. In other words, if you specify that you would >like to be added to our email list, we'll add your email address to >our contacts list, and whenever we have a new announcement, we'll >email it to you. If you'd like to recieve announcements from us, >please leave us your name and email address at the above email. The >email address once again is ariannas.art at gmail.com. Arianna has two >n's and there's no apostrophe before the s. Hope to hear from you >soon! > >Chris > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 9 >Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:57:40 +0000 >From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >Message-ID: > ><88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94 at SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.ex >changelabs.com > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > >I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >with >Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. > >Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >all >of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, >I >highly recommend it. > >I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >Real >World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >experience >both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >that >I >now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so >I >was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >use >my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >but >blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >I >am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >the >Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >all >of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >visual field and acuity. > >I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >I >went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >chosen. > >In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence >and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >devices, >and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we >already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >students >with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities >and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. >We also >saw >a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >were >adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >talk," >was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >led >to self-awareness and confidence building. > >In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >skills >for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >by >the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >responsible >for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >had >two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >they >weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at >a >distance while we were in the environment. > >At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >end >of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They >studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >center >would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >a >dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but >it >does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >dining >hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate >the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >counter-clockwise direction. > >The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >it >is not the very best option available. > >I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. > >Justin > > > >Justin M. Salisbury >Undergraduate Student >The University Honors Program >East Carolina University >salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu > >?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >change >the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? >?MARGARET MEAD > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 10 >Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:03:06 -0400 >From: David Dodge To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >Message-ID: > >om >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > >Thanks so much. He is doing the Youth in Transition program and is >interested in doing some other programs as well. Good to know you had >very >positive experiences. > >David >---------------------------------- >David Dodge >Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >State University of New York Student Assembly >English Major >University at Buffalo >306 Clemens Hall >Buffalo, NY 14260 >daviddod at buffalo.edu > > >On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM, wrote: > >David, >What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation >adult >program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational >transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have >a >short summer experience to comment on. >I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult >program >because I am thinking of going back for training. > >Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. >I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now >it?s >a >shorter program since they have a new program called >Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the >students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. >Had I >known >about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE >program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The >teens >in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. >That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I >was friends with the RWWE students though. >In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of >field >trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and >RWWE >had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. >We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each >other >since there was some overlap in experience. > >In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living >skills. >Its like the youth version of the rehab program. >Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. >Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students >had club activities and in the evening >there were more activities and some of them were off campus. >In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class >period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra >curriculars and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already >knew. I wonder if the adult program is more individualized with a good >evaluation of skills before you learn skills in class. > >Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, >and >information technology. In communication some students learned braille >but >I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to >erase >a >tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. >In >personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on >cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and >spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found >Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained >things. >There was another student in my class. We made >cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We >had >a >lesson on putting on lipstick too. >Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and >bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. > >IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing >and >went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the >bus. >I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to >Newton >center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I >had >practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. > >The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was >ten years ago! >I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay >objects and painted them. >I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or >goal >ball. >On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to >swim, >but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping >night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. > >We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually >fun. >I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where >they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and >outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us >to >know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and >museums. > >I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one >student >who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision >impaired. > >I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. >-----Original Message----- From: David Dodge >Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? > >Hello Everyone, >A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind >in >Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >center? >I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. > >David >------------------------------**---- >David Dodge >Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >State University of New York Student Assembly >English Major >University at Buffalo >306 Clemens Hall >Buffalo, NY 14260 >daviddod at buffalo.edu >______________________________**_________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >bookwormahb%40earthlink.net/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > ______________________________**_________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > daviddod%40buffalo.edu-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > ------------------------------ > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:59:07 -0500 > From: Gabe Cazares To: members , tabs_students > , nabs-l >Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the > move and a corrected link >Message-ID: > >om >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >FYI > >...Gabe > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: David Andrews Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 >Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >corrected >link >To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > > > >Hello, > >Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >Ground >Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >about >its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. > >Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers >list >for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >book >agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >purchased >your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one >please >visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". >All >copies >come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. > >Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >If >you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >lessons around >9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at >bookstores. >Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to >me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before >Roselle >passed on June 26, 2011. > >The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that "Thunder >Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >The >book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind >convention >in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. > >I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated >as >a >candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane >Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the >eight >finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >problem. >I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >and >vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >Alma Mater. > >Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As always, >if >you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >looking >for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact >information. I hope all is well with you. > > >Best, > > >Mike Hingson > >The Michael Hingson Group, INC. > "Speaking with Vision" >Michael Hingson, President >(415) 827-4084 >info at michaelhingson.com >To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >www.michaelhingson.com > >Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at >www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 > >To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com > > >_______________________________________________ >Nfbnet-members-list mailing list >Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > > > >-- >Gabriel M. Cazares, >2nd Vice President >Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS >(A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) >www.nfbtx.org/tabs >Phone: 713-581-0619 >"The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest >willing to let them." >-Robert Frost > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 12 >Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:57:26 -0600 >From: Beth To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >Subject: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award >Message-ID: <4e47aa32.87cee70a.3a4e.ffffa021 at mx.google.com >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > >Hi, guys. >I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear >of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for >her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys >have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog >myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I >have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been >thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've >heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in >portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all >vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. >Thanks. >Beth > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 13 >Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:08:02 -0500 >From: "Peter Donahue" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >Message-ID: <003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43 at yourfsyly0jtwn >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > >Hello Justin and everyone, > > For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll >Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw >the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What >can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >"Dying." >If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >need >once and it will last you a life time. > >Peter Donahue > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" To: Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > > >I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >with >Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. > >Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >all >of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, >I >highly recommend it. > >I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >Real >World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >experience >both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >that >I >now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so >I >was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >use >my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >but >blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >I >am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >the >Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >all >of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >visual field and acuity. > >I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >I >went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >chosen. > >In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence >and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >devices, >and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we >already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >students >with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities >and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. >We also >saw >a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >were >adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >talk," >was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >led >to self-awareness and confidence building. > >In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >skills >for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >by >the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >responsible >for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >had >two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >they >weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at >a >distance while we were in the environment. > >At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >end >of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They >studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >center >would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >a >dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but >it >does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >dining >hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate >the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >counter-clockwise direction. > >The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >it >is not the very best option available. > >I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. > >Justin > > > >Justin M. Salisbury >Undergraduate Student >The University Honors Program >East Carolina University >salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu > >?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >change >the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? >?MARGARET MEAD > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2 >%40satx.rr.com > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 14 >Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:32:38 -0400 >From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] sending a message to all Gmail contacts? >Message-ID: > >om >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Hi everyone, > >I have a question for all Gmail users. Is there a way that I can send >a message to all Gmail contacts at the same time? Is there some kind >of "send to all" button like there is on my mom's Yahoo account? I'm >asking because, as I posted last night, our business (Arianna's Art, >Inc.) has created a new Gmail account where people can send us >questions, feedback, orders, etc. We'd also like to create a contacts >list for our Gmail account, and send out an email to all our contacts >when we have a new announcement or a piece of news. So, can I do this >in Gmail without Google group? If I can't do this with JAWS in Basic >HTML mode, I'll just create a list on Google Groups. But, can I send >one message to all contacts? Thanks! > >-- >Chris Nusbaum > >Sales and Advertising Coordinator > >Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > >Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > >Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 15 >Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:34:34 -0400 >From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Blind Talk Mailing List Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors > flier >Message-ID: > >om >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" >Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:38:39 -0500 >Subject: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier >To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." > >*Employment Mentoring Project* > >*Seeking Professionals Who Are Blind * > >** > >Remember the challenges you faced in finding your first job?? > >Would you like to help a college student who is also blind begin their >career in a profession similar to yours?? > >We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with >mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. > >*BENEFITS* > >?Opportunity to mentor a college student who is blind and is interested >in working in your profession > >?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community > >*RESPONSIBILITIES* > >?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after your mentee >graduates > >?Help your mentee develop career goals and offer opportunities for job >shadowing > >?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month > >?Complete online activities monthly > >** > >*ELIGIBILITY* > >?Legal blindness > >?Currently employed or retired from a professional career > >?Has basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility >software/hardware needed to access online materials > >*INTERESTED?* > >?*Complete the eligibility survey at >*http://tiny.cc/mentor-professionals** > >** > >?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State >University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at >rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: >1-800-675-7782 > > > > >-- >Chris Nusbaum > >Sales and Advertising Coordinator > >Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > >Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > >Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 16 >Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:37:04 -0400 >From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > , Blind Talk Mailing List >Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees > flier. >Message-ID: > >om >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" >Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:37:29 -0500 >Subject: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. >To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." > >*Employment Mentoring Project* > >*For Students Who Are Legally Blind* > >** > >Is finding a job your next big step after graduation?? > >Would you like the opportunity to work with a mentor who is also blind >and has experience in your profession of interest?? > >We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with >mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. > >*BENEFITS* > >?Potential to work with a career mentor who is blind > >?Access to career development resources > >?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community > >*RESPONSIBILITIES* > >?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after graduation > >?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month > >?Complete online activities monthly > >** > >*ELIGIBILITY* > >?Undergraduate or graduate student, under age 35, who: > >oIs legally blind > >oPlans to graduate within 2-3 semesters after January 2012 > >oExpects to seek employment after graduation > >oHas basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility >software/hardware needed to access online materials > >*INTERESTED?* > >?*Complete eligibility survey online at *http://tiny.cc/mentor-students** > >?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State >University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at >rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: >1-800-675-7782 > > > > >-- >Chris Nusbaum > >Sales and Advertising Coordinator > >Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > >Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > >Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 17 >Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:50:16 -0400 >From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >Message-ID: > >om >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > >Hi everyone, > >This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! > >Chris > >On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >Hello Justin and everyone, > > For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll >Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >saw >the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >What >can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >"Dying." >If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >need >once and it will last you a life time. > >Peter Donahue > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" To: Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > > >I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >with >Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. > >Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >all >of the other students involved. If only considering the social >frontier, >I >highly recommend it. > >I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >Real >World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >experience >both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >that > >I >now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, >so >I >was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >use >my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >but >blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >I >am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >the >Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >all >of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >visual field and acuity. > >I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >I >went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >chosen. > >In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >confidence >and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >devices, >and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >we >already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >students >with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >activities >and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. >We also >saw >a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >were >adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >talk," >was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >led >to self-awareness and confidence building. > >In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >skills >for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >by >the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >responsible >for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >had >two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >they >weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us >at >a >distance while we were in the environment. > >At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >end >of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >They >studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >center >would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >a >dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >but >it >does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >dining >hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >navigate >the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >counter-clockwise direction. > >The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >it >is not the very best option available. > >I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. > >Justin > > > >Justin M. Salisbury >Undergraduate Student >The University Honors Program >East Carolina University >salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu > >?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >change >the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? >?MARGARET MEAD > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2 >%40satx.rr.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >sbaum%40gmail.com > > > >-- >Chris Nusbaum > >Sales and Advertising Coordinator > >Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > >Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > >Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 18 >Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:58:53 -0400 >From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award >Message-ID: > >om >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Hi Beth, > >Amen to that! I'm going to try on my PC, as the site was a little >weird with my BrailleNote, so it may be better with JAWS. I have >recently finished reading Thunder Dog (my friend picked a copy up for >me at national convention, as I wasn't there... what a bad >Federationist I am, *smiles) and it's a wonderfull story. You'll love >it! Enjoy the book! > >Chris > >P.S. Does anybody know when the deadline for voting for Roselle is? >Did Mike mention this in one of his emails, and I just didn't pay >attention? > >On 8/14/11, Beth wrote: >Hi, guys. >I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear >of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for >her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys >have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog >myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I >have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been >thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've >heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in >portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all >vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. >Thanks. >Beth > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >sbaum%40gmail.com > > > >-- >Chris Nusbaum > >Sales and Advertising Coordinator > >Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > >Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > >Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 19 >Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:49:13 -0400 >From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on > the move and a corrected link >Message-ID: > >om >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Hi Gabe, > >Just FYI, you don't need to send emails to the NABS list if they come >across as posted to the NFBnet-members list. When Dave Andrews posts >something to the NFBnet-members or NFBnet-master lists, it goes to >everybody who's on any NFBnet lists. This reduces Inbox clutter for >people who are on multiple lists, as a message is sent to one list, >then forwarded to another list on the same server as the first, then >another, and another... well, you see what I mean. The other lists you >posted it to hadn't seen the message before you sent it, though, >because they're on different servers. Just letting you know! > >Chris > >On 8/13/11, Gabe Cazares wrote: >FYI > >...Gabe > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: David Andrews Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 >Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >corrected >link >To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > > > >Hello, > >Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >Ground >Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >about >its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. > >Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers >list >for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >book >agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >purchased >your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one >please >visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". >All >copies >come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. > >Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >If >you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >lessons around >9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at >bookstores. >Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful >to >me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before >Roselle >passed on June 26, 2011. > >The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that >"Thunder >Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >The >book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind >convention >in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. > >I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated >as >a >candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American >Humane >Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the >eight >finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >problem. >I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >and >vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >Alma Mater. > >Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As >always, >if >you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >looking >for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and >contact >information. I hope all is well with you. > > >Best, > > >Mike Hingson > >The Michael Hingson Group, INC. > "Speaking with Vision" >Michael Hingson, President >(415) 827-4084 >info at michaelhingson.com >To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >www.michaelhingson.com > >Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year >at >www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 > >To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com > > >_______________________________________________ >Nfbnet-members-list mailing list >Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > > > >-- >Gabriel M. Cazares, >2nd Vice President >Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS >(A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) >www.nfbtx.org/tabs >Phone: 713-581-0619 >"The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest >willing to let them." >-Robert Frost > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >sbaum%40gmail.com > > > >-- >Chris Nusbaum > >Sales and Advertising Coordinator > >Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > >Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > >Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 20 >Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:25:30 -0400 >From: Patrick Molloy To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod >Message-ID: > >om >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Hello everyone: >I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds >are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something >to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more >accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days? >(I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't >compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be >appreciated. >Thanks, >Patrick Molloy > > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 >************************************** > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2 >%40satx.rr.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >sbaum%40gmail.com > > > >-- >Chris Nusbaum > >Sales and Advertising Coordinator > >Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > >Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > >Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71 >%40gmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma >hb%40earthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71 >%40gmail..com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >sloose%40gmail.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 04:58:16 2011 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 21:58:16 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness, Loss, and Therapy In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110818210447.01cd9a90@earthlink.net> References: <4e4dd8be.d235e70a.3cdd.3a19@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20110818210447.01cd9a90@earthlink.net> Message-ID: To all, I don't really see a problem with a center having a theropist on staff; it wouldn't make or break the center for me, but it would be a nice thing to have. I wouldn't even be opposed to one required initial visit with a center-staffed therapist for every new student, to the student has adjusted with blindness and recommend the best course of action from there. But, ultimately, it should be the student's choice whether or not to stay in therapy after an initial visit; that seems like something that would make sense to me. Ashley, Having therapy as a required part of center curriculum certainly goes against NFB philosophy, but do you mind explaining why you feel having a therapist on a center staff runs counter to Federationism? It was my understanding that the Colorado Center employs a social worker, certainly someone correct me if I'm wrong but that seems pretty reasonable. I think the only problem would be if they assumed you needed therapy from the get-go or made it a requirement. That's just my nickel's worth of nonsense, take it or leave it. Best, Kirt On 8/18/11, Carly wrote: > > > Hi, Beth, > > 'Sounds sort of like the way I was raised, with > my folks being dismissive of blind people's > abbilities. yett, I didn't have any real issues > with which a therapist and meds, needed to be > involved. 'sounds that you did. It's just perhaps > a natural realization of your folks not > necessarily having, what you see as your best interests, in mind. > > How is Metro, treating you? I think you've started, by now. > for today, > CarAt 08:29 PM 8/18/2011, you wrote: >>I don't think blind people should not have to >>have therapy. I have therapy, however, for a >>different reason. But you could say it was >>related to blindness. My parents from an early >>age embarrassed, sheltered, and otherwise tried >>to uproot my childhood. I could not comee to >>terms, for instance, with the reality behind who >>I was. My mother wanted to make me a real >>person, understand that being real meant >>accepting that youare "negative" or "bad" in >>some way. Blindness was seen as a bad thing in >>the household. Because I was told I acted >>poorly, I was hidden fro the public eye, then >>was thrown at counselors and told that I was the >>broken child. My parents, however, do not know >>this, but family dynamics were the reason I was >>on medications and therapy. Both do not help >>much because right now, my current doc is too >>far away for me to see. She lives and works way >>down in Centennial, while I live in East Denver >>now. I need a doc here in Denver, but it >>appears the Medicaid came through. Blind people >>should not have to have this kind of hassle. >>Psychiatrists and therapists are not there to fix one person. >>They should fix the family, not the >>person. It's like a doctor who treats countries, not patients. >>Beth >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Arielle Silverman >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Date sent: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 21:03:41 -0600 >>Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness, Loss, and Therapy >> >>Hi Ashley and all, >>Yes, the traditional loss models do resonate with many people's >>initial experiences with blindness, and they aren't totally >>defeatist-they do allow for the blind person to eventually come to >>acceptance over time. The major problem with them is the notion that >>people won't be able to succeed in rehabilitation until they've spent >>some time wallowing in depression. Deliberately waiting to offer >>rehabilitation training until the individual has been blind and >>depressed for a while carries the obvious risk of making the >>depression and sense of helplessness worse. >>I think the discussion here brings up an interesting question: Should >>training centers for the blind provide counseling or psychotherapy >>either as an optional service, or as a required part of the >>curriculum. I'm not sure of the best answer to that. Certainly many >>students at centers would benefit from counseling-about blindness >>issues or unrelated problems-but should everyone be presumed to need >>counseling? Is having a counselor or psychologist on the center staff >>a good idea or does it promote the notion that blind people all need >>therapy? I'd be curious to hear your opinions on this. >>Just as an aside, the summer camp for the blind I mentioned earlier >>did have weekly group counseling as part of its programming. >>Personally, I thought it was totally bogus, and in retrospect I >>realize that was probably because we rarely discussed blindness or >>other related experiences in the group. Sometimes we did discuss >>common experiences and challenges with adolescence, but because we >>were all so different, I didn't really feel like I was sharing >>meaningful ideas with my peers about common issues. I probably derived >>more therapeutic benefit from commiserating about blindness-related >>issues with blind friends in late-night phone calls than I did in the >>group. It also seemed a bit weird to be in group therapy generally. >>But, perhaps if done right this kind of peer support group could offer >>some benefit. >>Arielle >> >>On 8/16/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>Arielle, >>I'd like to read a little of his book even though I won't agree with Mr. >>Carroll. >>No, probably not all of it, but a little to hear straight from the source. >>Good post that seemed objective. I, too, have heard theories on adjustment >>to blindness. >>Yes such a loss theory does oversimplify the situation. But to me it makes >>some sense; although you are right that someone may get over the denial and >>depression if their family is supportive and encourages them to move on and >>get blindness skills. >>People cope with losses differently and as with any loss your environment >>and personal attitude helps you overcome such a loss. >> >>I've certainly met people going through vision loss and yes they are >>depressed a little bit. Imagine losing vision and knowing you will have to >>give up your driver's license? >>Can you imagine reading the paper or browsing magazines and then no longer >>being able to read the paper at breakfast or browse the news stand and >>magazine stand? >>These are two big losses for someone who had full vision or enough vision >> to >>function in a sighted manner. >>Yes we can get around; but public transit has a lot to be desired; and if >>you want to go out on weekends, well most buses do not run on weekends. >> Heck >>most buses stop running at mid evening. >>American society really does not make public transit a priority! We as a >>society favor the driver; so giving up those car keys is a huge loss. >>Then there is reading. Most books are not produced in alternative format; >>most newspapers are not accessible either. >>As someone who was legally blind for their life, I >>am used to these constraints. I never browsed the clothes rack or the news >>stand; I never picked up the local Journal or Gazette and read it. >>So for me, its life, nothing I've missed. But if you have RP and read or >>drove 20 years, I can understand that it’s a loss. Can you adapt and go on >>with life? >>Of course you can. But I can see why the loss is a prevalent theory. I >> know >>people who are going through vision loss due to RP or something and its >>hard. Even if they embrace learning new skills, its harder. For instance, >>some of them lack the finger sensativity to feel the braille dots; they can >>read slowly or they cannot read at all. >> >>Anyway, the staff at Carroll seemed up beat and nice. They gave the youth >>age appropriate experiences and an introduction to blindness sports and >>daily living. >>No one implied blindness was a bad thing to us students. I guess some >> staff >>members still hold that loss theory in their heads though; they certainly >>did not show it. >>Father Carroll founded it and died a long time ago. I'm not >>sure how much the center is the same now. There is certainly new staff and >>probably new ideas in the current center. >>No it its not NFB philosophy. Just saying they might have a more positive >>attitude and higher expectations than the founder did. >> >>Okay, I'll go get the book this week. Can't read all of it; I might get >>depressed. >>Ashley >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Arielle Silverman >>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:43 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness a dying? >> >>Hi all, >>Interesting. I didn't realize the founder of the Carroll Center was >>the same guy who wrote "Blindness: What it Is, What it Does and How to >>Live with It". I haven't actually read the book myself, but I have >>read other articles who have cited it, and in fact I read up quite a >>bit on Carroll's philosophy as part of a grant proposal I recently >>wrote. >>Fr. Carroll was one of several blindness rehab scholars in the 1960's >>and 1970's who advocated a "loss model" explaining how people adjust >>to blindness. These loss models postulate that losing one's eyesight >>is a lot like experiencing the death of a loved one and that people >>cope with it in similar fashion by going through various stages of >>grief, like denial, depression, anger and despair, before they >>eventually come to accept the loss and move forward. My understanding >>is that loss-model advocates generally believed people who lose their >>sight are not "ready" to begin getting training in alternative >>techniques until they have had time to process their sadness and >>grief. What is so unfortunate about these kinds of theories is that >>they imply everyone reacts to blindness in the same way, and that >>these negative emotional reactions are inevitable and will happen >>regardless of what rehab professionals or others (like family members, >>spouses, etc.) do. Luckily, more recently scholars in the field have >>noticed that not everyone who becomes blind experiences depression or >>grief and that some people actually do quite well with early training >>in alternative skills. Scholars have also begun to understand that the >>reactions of the important people in a blind person's life can play a >>huge role in determining how that blind person copes and that much of >>the depression, frustration, etc. that come from blindness actually >>come from other people's negative reactions, as well as the temporary >>sense of incompetence that comes from not knowing alternative skills. >>The problem with theories like Carroll's, I think, is that they assume >>blindness affects everyone equally. Of course many of us who lose >>vision experience temporary depression and grief, and of course even >>those of us who have been blind our whole lives have times when we >>hate blindness. But clearly not everyone reacts in the same way or >>finds their lives dominated by these negative feelings. It's similar >>to research we often see showing how blind children on average are >>deficient or delayed in all kinds of developmental areas. This may be >>true on average, but it's not true for all blind kids. These kinds of >>conclusions that focus on blind people as a group may be accurate, but >>they're oversimplified. They fail to account for all the factors that >>allow some of us to end up better-adjusted than others. What >>distinguishes newly blind folks who get depressed from those who >>don't? What separates blind kids who start crawling or walking on time >>from those who don't? These kinds of questions, I think, are rarely >>asked, but they're much more important than the questions that lump >>all blind people together, because they show us what controllable >>factors make real differences in our lives. If we don't ask these >>kinds of questions, we end up concluding that blindness is a kind of >>equal-opportunity buzzkill that will leave all of us maladjusted and >>unproductive regardless of what we do. And that's depressing! >>Arielle >> >>On 8/16/11, chris nusbaum wrote: >>Hi Justin, >> >>Don't hold your breath for having a Federationist take over the >>Carroll Center! Well, it may happen, but I don't see it happening >>soon, as they've worked very closely with the AFB (I think) and a lot >>of them still believe in what FR Carroll did. >> >>Chris >> >>On 8/16/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>Hello Justin and everyone, >> >> You can read all about FR. Carroll's belief about blindness being a >>"Dying" in his book "Blindness: What it is, What it does,and How to Live >>With It." You should be able to get the book from NLS, Learning Allie, or >>Bookshare.org. I read it in the late 1970s and became totally depressed >>after reading three chapters of it. Dr. Jernigan quoted from it in his >>address: "Blindness Handicap or Characteristic." >> >>Peter Donahue >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:42 AM >>Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> >> >>I just want to summarize my view on the Carroll Center: >> >>If it's the only opportunity you have to get some skills that you don't >>already have, it can benefit you. If you have the opportunity to attend >>an >>NFB training center (or BISM, which Amy Phelps runs with an NFB >>philosophy), >>choose it over the Carroll Center 100 out of 100 times. >> >>I've never heard the "dying" thing about Father Carroll, but it does not >>surprise me. I would love to get a good Federationist to take over the >>management of the Carroll Center. >> >>Justin >> >>Justin M. Salisbury >>Undergraduate Student >>The University Honors Program >>East Carolina University >>salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >> >>“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>change >>the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” >>—MARGARET MEAD >> >> >>________________________________________ >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org] >>Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:00 PM >>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 >> >>Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >> >>You can reach the person managing the list at >> nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >> >>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >> >> >>Today's Topics: >> >> 1. nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (David Dunphy) >> 2. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (Justin Young) >> 3. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Kirt Manwaring) >> 4. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Heather Field) >> 5. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >> (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> 6. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (chris nusbaum) >> 7. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >> 8. announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: new email >> address for the business (chris nusbaum) >> 9. The Carroll Center for the Blind (Salisbury, Justin Mark) >> 10. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (David Dodge) >> 11. Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >> corrected link (Gabe Cazares) >> 12. AMerican Hero Dog Award (Beth) >> 13. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (Peter Donahue) >> 14. sending a message to all Gmail contacts? (chris nusbaum) >> 15. Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier >> (chris nusbaum) >> 16. Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. >> (chris nusbaum) >> 17. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (chris nusbaum) >> 18. Re: AMerican Hero Dog Award (chris nusbaum) >> 19. Re: Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move >> and a corrected link (chris nusbaum) >> 20. accessible iPod (Patrick Molloy) >> >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------- >>----- >> >>Message: 1 >>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:11:26 -0400 >>From: David Dunphy >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>Message-ID: >> >>>om >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >>Hi Everybody! >>I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >>convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >>is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >>provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >>files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >>our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >>had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >>nabslinkaudio.org. >>So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >>home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >>spam, etc. >>So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >>nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >>to a new provider. >>During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >>know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >>You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >>online again. >>Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >>service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >>the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >>text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >>mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >>1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >>numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >>said messages and no one else >>and >>2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >>concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >>validated by the owner >>Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >>once you see it! >>If you have any questions, please email me at >>djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >>Thank you. >> From David >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 2 >>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:29:42 -0400 >>From: Justin Young >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>Message-ID: >> >>>om >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >>Hi David, >> >>No problem. I did three different programs. In the Summer of 2006 I >>did the Youth In Transition(YIT) program which is heavily focused upon >>daily living skills. There were classes from 8:45-3pm Mon-Fri. >>Then >>there was activities that you did clubs and stuff like that. >>Some >>were fun and some not really. You have the opportunity to do fencing, >>and other evening activities. Some of the evening ones were more >>arts/crafts style if I recall. Its hard to say with the >>extracurriculars cuz they changed ever year. The ones whichwere the >>same were Fencing, Sailing, shopping and others which I forget. >>The >>next Summer I did the Real World of Work Experience Program(RWWE) >>which was 5 weeks where the first week is doing the classes to make >>sure you can do all of it because like laundry you had to wait until >>after classes were over or on weekends as well. Once you begin >>working its great I must say. When I did it they selected a place for >>you and you were on the job site for Mon, Wed, Fri and Tues & Thu you >>went on Field Trips. Oh yes I forgot about those we went on those as >>well in YIT. They were to fun places, movies, golfing & stuff like >>that. For the RWWE program though on Thursdays we went on Work >>related field trips. Like once we went to the State House in Boston >>and tried to go to Cape Cod, but the van I was in broke down so >>couldn't do that one. There were still the activities in the >>afternoon and evening. I didn't really do the ones in the afternoon >>because I got back from work to late always. I worked at the Newton >>Welseley Hospital in the Receiving Department which was fun after I >>got a hand of what I was doing, the layout of the place and confidence >>that I could do it all. I delivered to depts mainly. For my Final >>Summer I and 4 others were involved in the pilot program of Transition >>To College(TTC) in the Summer of 2008. This program was 4 weeks where >>we did 2 at the Carroll Center like the YIT program and 2 at Boston >>College. The 2 weeks of the classes is to ensure we could do it while >>at BC. There was also a 2 week period before the program started for >>all in the program to do the Computing to College which is a computer >>program based in the Technology Center at the Carroll Center. I >>couldn't do this portion because I was finishing High School. >>While >>at BC we attended various seminars during the day and after I think >>3pm it was we were free to do whatever we liked. We stayed in a dorm >>which was a suite style and had a supervisor in one of the 5 rooms >>with us. We were given each day $15 for food and had to give the >>supervisor all receipts of what we spent. We definitely got our >>exercise because our dorm was about a mile from the Education Building >>where our seminars took place. We went on a field trip or two I don't >>remember. I remember we went to either Boston University or one of >>the UMass schools. I and a few of the others in the program took the >>train to go places once or twice and a coffee shop was right on the >>edge of the college and not far from our dorm. So, I went there >>sometimes. >> >>It was a great three years full of making friends. The cons you >>asked? Hmm, well it really depends upon how you look at which program >>you are in. I would say that sometimes you were forced to do things >>you didn't really want to do which is why I really liked the BC >>living. I hope this helps you. >> >>Justin >> >>On 8/13/11, David Dodge wrote: >>Justin, >>Thanks for your e-mail. Clearly, you have a great deal of experience >>with >>the center. Can you tell me about the program you were in, what you >>learned, >>and how it helped you? Were there any cons to the center? Thanks so >>much. >> >>David >>---------------------------------- >>David Dodge >>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>State University of New York Student Assembly >>English Major >>University at Buffalo >>306 Clemens Hall >>Buffalo, NY 14260 >>daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >>On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Justin Young wrote: >> >>Hi David, >> >>I have experience with this center since I spent 3 consecutive summers >>at the Corroll Center. I would be happy to answer any questions you >>may have. >> >>Justin Young >> >>On 8/12/11, David Dodge wrote: >>Hello Everyone, >>A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the >>Blind >>in >>Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>center? >>I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >> >>David >>---------------------------------- >>David Dodge >>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>State University of New York Student Assembly >>English Major >>University at Buffalo >>306 Clemens Hall >>Buffalo, NY 14260 >>daviddod at buffalo.edu >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40 >>gmail.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod% >>40buffalo.edu >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40 >>gmail..com >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 3 >>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:52:23 -0600 >>From: Kirt Manwaring >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >>Message-ID: >> >>>om >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >>Peter, >> I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time >>using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their >>own, I guess. >> Warmly, >>Kirt >> >>On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>Hello Joseph and everyone, >> >> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. >>It >>was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access >>for >>blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping >>to >>develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio >>instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or >>nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: >>http://www.blio.com >> >> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a >>great >>product. Now to add more books to our collection. >> >>Peter Donahue >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "T. Joseph Carter" >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >>The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be >>accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works >>you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* >> >>Joseph - kf7qzc >> >> >>On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>Listers, >>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >> >>Thanks, >>Jan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Rania Ismail CMT >To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is >>free. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>Behalf >> >>Of Anjelina >> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >> >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >> >>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>from >> >>paying the annual fee. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: Marsha Drenth >> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >> >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >> >>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >> >>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to >>use >> >>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >> >>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >> >> >> >>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't >>use >> >>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >> >>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie >>books. >> >> >> >>Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>signature >> >>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >> >> >> >>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> >> >>http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>nabs-l: >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac >>26%40gmail. >> >>com >> >> >> >> >> >>Anjelina >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>nabs-l: >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaisma >>il04%40gmai >> >>l.com >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2% >>40aol..com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tj >>oseph%40gmail.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2 >>%40satx.rr.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.craz >>ydude%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 4 >>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:27:44 -0500 >>From: "Heather Field" >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >>Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; >> reply-type=original >> >>Hi Kurt, >>I downloaded Kindle for PC and then bought an ebook with speech enabled. >>However, I believe I still need an accessibility plugin or some such >>add-on >>to make it fully accessible. As you're having great success with using >>Kindle, can you please advise me as to what I need to do so I can read my >>ebook. >> >>Thanks so much. >>Heather >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Kirt Manwaring >>Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:52 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >> >>Peter, >> I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time >>using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their >>own, I guess. >> Warmly, >>Kirt >> >>On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>Hello Joseph and everyone, >> >> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. >>It >>was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access >>for >>blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping >>to >>develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio >>instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or >>nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: >>http://www.blio.com >> >> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a >>great >>product. Now to add more books to our collection. >> >>Peter Donahue >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "T. Joseph Carter" >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >>The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be >>accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works >>you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* >> >>Joseph - kf7qzc >> >> >>On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>Listers, >>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >> >>Thanks, >>Jan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Rania Ismail CMT >To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is >>free. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>Behalf >> >>Of Anjelina >> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >> >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >> >>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>from >> >>paying the annual fee. >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >> >>From: Marsha Drenth >> >>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >> >>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >> >> >> >>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >> >>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to >>use >> >>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >> >>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >> >> >> >>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't >>use >> >>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I >> >>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie >>books. >> >> >> >>Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>signature >> >>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >> >> >> >>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> >> >>http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>nabs-l: >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac >>26%40gmail. >> >>com >> >> >> >> >> >>Anjelina >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>nabs-l: >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaisma >>il04%40gmai >> >>l.com >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >> >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2% >>40aol..com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tj >>oseph%40gmail.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2 >>%40satx.rr.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.craz >>ydude%40gmail.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/missheath >>er%40comcast.net >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 5 >>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:49:43 -0400 >>From: >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>Message-ID: <1DD7E36205204D098FAF6758FBF60CAC at OwnerPC >>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >> reply-type=original >> >>Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: David Dunphy >>Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >> >>Hi Everybody! >>I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >>convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >>is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >>provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >>files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >>our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >>had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >>nabslinkaudio.org. >>So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >>home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >>spam, etc. >>So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >>nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >>to a new provider. >>During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >>know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >>You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >>online again. >>Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >>service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >>the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >>text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >>mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >>1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >>numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >>said messages and no one else >>and >>2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >>concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >>validated by the owner >>Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >>once you see it! >>If you have any questions, please email me at >>djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >>Thank you. >> From David >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma >>hb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 6 >>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:09:38 -0400 >>From: chris nusbaum >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>Message-ID: >> >>>om >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >>Hi David, >> >>Technical problems, technical problems! First, nabslinkaudio.org's Web >>hosting service motherboard fried, and I just got an email saying that >>AAR will be temporarily offline! Wow! I completely understand. Thanks >>for the update, and I look forward to listening to the meeting! >> >>Chris >> >>On 8/13/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: David Dunphy >>Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >> >>Hi Everybody! >>I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >>convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >>is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >>provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >>files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >>our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >>had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >>nabslinkaudio.org. >>So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >>home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >>spam, etc. >>So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >>nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >>to a new provider. >>During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >>know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >>You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >>online again. >>Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >>service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >>the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >>text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >>mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >>1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >>numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >>said messages and no one else >>and >>2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >>concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >>validated by the owner >>Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >>once you see it! >>If you have any questions, please email me at >>djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >>Thank you. >> From David >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma >>hb%40earthlink.net >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >>sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >>-- >>Chris Nusbaum >> >>Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >>Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >>Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >>Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 7 >>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:00:54 -0400 >>From: >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>Message-ID: <94D3A84AC9CB48E483A5C87D966FF189 at OwnerPC >>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; >> reply-type=original >> >>David, >>What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation >>adult >>program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational >>transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a >>short summer experience to comment on. >>I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult >>program >>because I am thinking of going back for training. >> >>Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. >>I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it?s >>a >>shorter program since they have a new program called >>Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the >>students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. >>Had I >>known >>about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE >>program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The >>teens >>in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. >>That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I >>was >>friends with the RWWE students though. >>In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of >>field >>trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and >>RWWE >>had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. >>We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each >>other >>since there was some overlap in experience. >> >>In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living >>skills. >>Its like the youth version of the rehab program. >>Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. >>Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students >>had >>club activities and in the evening >>there were more activities and some of them were off campus. >>In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class >>period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra >>curriculars >>and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already knew. I >>wonder >>if the adult program is more individualized with a good evaluation of >>skills before you learn skills in class. >> >>Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, >>and >>information technology. In communication some students learned braille >>but >>I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase >>a >>tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. >>In >>personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on >>cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and >>spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found >>Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained >>things. >>There was another student in my class. We made >>cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had >>a >>lesson on putting on lipstick too. >>Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and >>bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. >> >>IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and >>went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the >>bus. >>I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to >>Newton >>center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I >>had >>practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. >> >>The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was >>ten >>years ago! >>I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay >>objects and painted them. >>I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or >>goal >>ball. >>On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to >>swim, >>but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping >>night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. >> >>We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually >>fun. >>I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where >>they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and >>outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to >>know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and >>museums. >> >>I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student >>who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision >>impaired. >> >>I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. >>-----Original Message----- >>From: David Dodge >>Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >> >>Hello Everyone, >>A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind >>in >>Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>center? >>I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >> >>David >>---------------------------------- >>David Dodge >>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>State University of New York Student Assembly >>English Major >>University at Buffalo >>306 Clemens Hall >>Buffalo, NY 14260 >>daviddod at buffalo.edu >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma >>hb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 8 >>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:28:47 -0400 >>From: chris nusbaum >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> , Blind Talk Mailing List >>, >> "g List\" , \"nfbmd\" , >> \"nabs\" , \"maryland-l\" , >>\"Ross >> Hammond\" , \"alena roberts\"" >> >Cc: Ariana Lipka , ariannas.art at gmail.com >>Subject: [nabs-l] announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: >> new email address for the business >>Message-ID: >> >>>om >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >>-- >>Chris Nusbaum >> >>Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >>Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >>Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >>Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >>Hi everyone, >> >>I'd like to let everyone know of a new and exciting change in our >>painting business for the blind and sighted, Arianna's Art, Inc. We've >>just created an email account where you can send us questions, >>comments, suggestions, or any other information regarding our >>business. If you would like to advertise our product by displaying it >>at your next NFB, ACB, or any other meeting or event, or would like to >>advertise us in any other way, you can also contact us via this email. >>Our email address is ariannas.art at gmail.com. We're also trying to >>create an email list for people who would like to recieve >>announcements from us. In other words, if you specify that you would >>like to be added to our email list, we'll add your email address to >>our contacts list, and whenever we have a new announcement, we'll >>email it to you. If you'd like to recieve announcements from us, >>please leave us your name and email address at the above email. The >>email address once again is ariannas.art at gmail.com. Arianna has two >>n's and there's no apostrophe before the s. Hope to hear from you >>soon! >> >>Chris >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 9 >>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:57:40 +0000 >>From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" >Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>Message-ID: >> >><88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94 at SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.ex >>changelabs.com >> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >>I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >>with >>Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >> >>Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >>all >>of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, >>I >>highly recommend it. >> >>I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>Real >>World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>experience >>both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>that >>I >>now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so >>I >>was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >>use >>my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >>lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >>but >>blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >>I >>am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>the >>Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >>all >>of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >>visual field and acuity. >> >>I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >>I >>went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>chosen. >> >>In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence >>and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >>laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>devices, >>and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >>about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we >>already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >>modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>students >>with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities >>and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. >>We also >>saw >>a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>were >>adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>talk," >>was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >>led >>to self-awareness and confidence building. >> >>In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>skills >>for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >>by >>the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >>were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>responsible >>for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>had >>two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >>they >>weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at >>a >>distance while we were in the environment. >> >>At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >>end >>of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >>spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They >>studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>center >>would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >>a >>dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but >>it >>does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>dining >>hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate >>the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>counter-clockwise direction. >> >>The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >>it >>is not the very best option available. >> >>I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >> >>Justin >> >> >> >>Justin M. Salisbury >>Undergraduate Student >>The University Honors Program >>East Carolina University >>salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >> >>?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>change >>the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? >>?MARGARET MEAD >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 10 >>Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:03:06 -0400 >>From: David Dodge >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>Message-ID: >> >>>om >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >>Thanks so much. He is doing the Youth in Transition program and is >>interested in doing some other programs as well. Good to know you had >>very >>positive experiences. >> >>David >>---------------------------------- >>David Dodge >>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>State University of New York Student Assembly >>English Major >>University at Buffalo >>306 Clemens Hall >>Buffalo, NY 14260 >>daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >>On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM, wrote: >> >>David, >>What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation >>adult >>program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational >>transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have >>a >>short summer experience to comment on. >>I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult >>program >>because I am thinking of going back for training. >> >>Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. >>I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now >>it?s >>a >>shorter program since they have a new program called >>Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the >>students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. >>Had I >>known >>about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE >>program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The >>teens >>in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. >>That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I >>was friends with the RWWE students though. >>In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of >>field >>trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and >>RWWE >>had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. >>We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each >>other >>since there was some overlap in experience. >> >>In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living >>skills. >>Its like the youth version of the rehab program. >>Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. >>Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students >>had club activities and in the evening >>there were more activities and some of them were off campus. >>In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class >>period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra >>curriculars and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already >>knew. I wonder if the adult program is more individualized with a good >>evaluation of skills before you learn skills in class. >> >>Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, >>and >>information technology. In communication some students learned braille >>but >>I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to >>erase >>a >>tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. >>In >>personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on >>cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and >>spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found >>Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained >>things. >>There was another student in my class. We made >>cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We >>had >>a >>lesson on putting on lipstick too. >>Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and >>bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. >> >>IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing >>and >>went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the >>bus. >>I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to >>Newton >>center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I >>had >>practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. >> >>The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was >>ten years ago! >>I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay >>objects and painted them. >>I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or >>goal >>ball. >>On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to >>swim, >>but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping >>night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. >> >>We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually >>fun. >>I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where >>they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and >>outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us >>to >>know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and >>museums. >> >>I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one >>student >>who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision >>impaired. >> >>I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. >>-----Original Message----- From: David Dodge >>Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >> >>Hello Everyone, >>A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind >>in >>Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>center? >>I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >> >>David >>------------------------------**---- >>David Dodge >>Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>State University of New York Student Assembly >>English Major >>University at Buffalo >>306 Clemens Hall >>Buffalo, NY 14260 >>daviddod at buffalo.edu >>______________________________**_________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>/www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>bookwormahb%40earthlink.net>/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> ______________________________**_________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>/www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> daviddod%40buffalo.edu>-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> ------------------------------ >> Message: 11 >> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:59:07 -0500 >> From: Gabe Cazares > To: members , tabs_students >> , nabs-l >>>Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the >> move and a corrected link >>Message-ID: >> >>>om >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >>FYI >> >>...Gabe >> >>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>From: David Andrews >Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 >>Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >>corrected >>link >>To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >> >> >> >>Hello, >> >>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >>Ground >>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >>about >>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >> >>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers >>list >>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >>book >>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >>purchased >>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one >>please >>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". >>All >>copies >>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >> >>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >>If >>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>lessons around >>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at >>bookstores. >>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to >>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before >>Roselle >>passed on June 26, 2011. >> >>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that "Thunder >>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >>The >>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind >>convention >>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >> >>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated >>as >>a >>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane >>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the >>eight >>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >>problem. >>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >>and >>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >>Alma Mater. >> >>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As always, >>if >>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >>looking >>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact >>information. I hope all is well with you. >> >> >>Best, >> >> >>Mike Hingson >> >>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >> "Speaking with Vision" >>Michael Hingson, President >>(415) 827-4084 >>info at michaelhingson.com >>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>www.michaelhingson.com >> >>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at >>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >> >>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Nfbnet-members-list mailing list >>Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >> >> >> >>-- >>Gabriel M. Cazares, >>2nd Vice President >>Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS >>(A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) >>www.nfbtx.org/tabs >>Phone: 713-581-0619 >>"The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest >>willing to let them." >>-Robert Frost >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 12 >>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:57:26 -0600 >>From: Beth >To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>Subject: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award >>Message-ID: <4e47aa32.87cee70a.3a4e.ffffa021 at mx.google.com >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed >> >>Hi, guys. >>I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear >>of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for >>her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys >>have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog >>myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I >>have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been >>thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've >>heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in >>portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all >>vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. >>Thanks. >>Beth >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 13 >>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:08:02 -0500 >>From: "Peter Donahue" >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>Message-ID: <003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43 at yourfsyly0jtwn >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >> >>Hello Justin and everyone, >> >> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll >>Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw >>the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What >>can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>"Dying." >>If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>need >>once and it will last you a life time. >> >>Peter Donahue >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >To: >Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> >> >>I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >>with >>Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >> >>Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >>all >>of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, >>I >>highly recommend it. >> >>I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>Real >>World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>experience >>both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>that >>I >>now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so >>I >>was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >>use >>my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >>lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >>but >>blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >>I >>am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>the >>Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >>all >>of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >>visual field and acuity. >> >>I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >>I >>went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>chosen. >> >>In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence >>and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >>laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>devices, >>and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >>about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we >>already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >>modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>students >>with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities >>and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. >>We also >>saw >>a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>were >>adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>talk," >>was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >>led >>to self-awareness and confidence building. >> >>In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>skills >>for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >>by >>the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >>were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>responsible >>for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>had >>two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >>they >>weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at >>a >>distance while we were in the environment. >> >>At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >>end >>of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >>spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They >>studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>center >>would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >>a >>dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but >>it >>does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>dining >>hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate >>the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>counter-clockwise direction. >> >>The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >>it >>is not the very best option available. >> >>I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >> >>Justin >> >> >> >>Justin M. Salisbury >>Undergraduate Student >>The University Honors Program >>East Carolina University >>salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >> >>?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>change >>the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? >>?MARGARET MEAD >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2 >>%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 14 >>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:32:38 -0400 >>From: chris nusbaum >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >Subject: [nabs-l] sending a message to all Gmail contacts? >>Message-ID: >> >>>om >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >>Hi everyone, >> >>I have a question for all Gmail users. Is there a way that I can send >>a message to all Gmail contacts at the same time? Is there some kind >>of "send to all" button like there is on my mom's Yahoo account? I'm >>asking because, as I posted last night, our business (Arianna's Art, >>Inc.) has created a new Gmail account where people can send us >>questions, feedback, orders, etc. We'd also like to create a contacts >>list for our Gmail account, and send out an email to all our contacts >>when we have a new announcement or a piece of news. So, can I do this >>in Gmail without Google group? If I can't do this with JAWS in Basic >>HTML mode, I'll just create a list on Google Groups. But, can I send >>one message to all contacts? Thanks! >> >>-- >>Chris Nusbaum >> >>Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >>Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >>Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >>Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 15 >>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:34:34 -0400 >>From: chris nusbaum >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >Cc: Blind Talk Mailing List >Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors >> flier >>Message-ID: >> >>>om >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" >>>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:38:39 -0500 >>Subject: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier >>To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." >>> >>*Employment Mentoring Project* >> >>*Seeking Professionals Who Are Blind * >> >>** >> >>Remember the challenges you faced in finding your first job?? >> >>Would you like to help a college student who is also blind begin their >>career in a profession similar to yours?? >> >>We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with >>mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. >> >>*BENEFITS* >> >>?Opportunity to mentor a college student who is blind and is interested >>in working in your profession >> >>?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community >> >>*RESPONSIBILITIES* >> >>?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after your mentee >>graduates >> >>?Help your mentee develop career goals and offer opportunities for job >>shadowing >> >>?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month >> >>?Complete online activities monthly >> >>** >> >>*ELIGIBILITY* >> >>?Legal blindness >> >>?Currently employed or retired from a professional career >> >>?Has basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility >>software/hardware needed to access online materials >> >>*INTERESTED?* >> >>?*Complete the eligibility survey at >>*http://tiny.cc/mentor-professionals** >> >>** >> >>?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State >>University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at >>rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: >>1-800-675-7782 >> >> >> >> >>-- >>Chris Nusbaum >> >>Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >>Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >>Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >>Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 16 >>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:37:04 -0400 >>From: chris nusbaum >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> , Blind Talk Mailing List >>>Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees >> flier. >>Message-ID: >> >>>om >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" >>>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:37:29 -0500 >>Subject: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. >>To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." >>> >>*Employment Mentoring Project* >> >>*For Students Who Are Legally Blind* >> >>** >> >>Is finding a job your next big step after graduation?? >> >>Would you like the opportunity to work with a mentor who is also blind >>and has experience in your profession of interest?? >> >>We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with >>mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. >> >>*BENEFITS* >> >>?Potential to work with a career mentor who is blind >> >>?Access to career development resources >> >>?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community >> >>*RESPONSIBILITIES* >> >>?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after graduation >> >>?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month >> >>?Complete online activities monthly >> >>** >> >>*ELIGIBILITY* >> >>?Undergraduate or graduate student, under age 35, who: >> >>oIs legally blind >> >>oPlans to graduate within 2-3 semesters after January 2012 >> >>oExpects to seek employment after graduation >> >>oHas basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility >>software/hardware needed to access online materials >> >>*INTERESTED?* >> >>?*Complete eligibility survey online at *http://tiny.cc/mentor-students** >> >>?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State >>University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at >>rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: >>1-800-675-7782 >> >> >> >> >>-- >>Chris Nusbaum >> >>Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >>Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >>Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >>Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 17 >>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:50:16 -0400 >>From: chris nusbaum >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>Message-ID: >> >>>om >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >>Hi everyone, >> >>This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >>start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >>attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >>BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >>from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >>next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >>Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >>were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >>program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >>in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >>be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >>going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >>9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! >> >>Chris >> >>On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>Hello Justin and everyone, >> >> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll >>Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >>saw >>the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >>What >>can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>"Dying." >>If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>need >>once and it will last you a life time. >> >>Peter Donahue >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >To: >Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >> >> >>I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >>with >>Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >> >>Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >>all >>of the other students involved. If only considering the social >>frontier, >>I >>highly recommend it. >> >>I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>Real >>World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>experience >>both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>that >> >>I >>now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, >>so >>I >>was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >>use >>my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >>lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >>but >>blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >>I >>am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>the >>Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >>all >>of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >>visual field and acuity. >> >>I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >>I >>went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>chosen. >> >>In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >>confidence >>and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >>laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>devices, >>and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >>about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >>we >>already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >>modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>students >>with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >>activities >>and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. >>We also >>saw >>a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>were >>adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>talk," >>was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >>led >>to self-awareness and confidence building. >> >>In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>skills >>for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >>by >>the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >>were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>responsible >>for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>had >>two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >>they >>weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us >>at >>a >>distance while we were in the environment. >> >>At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >>end >>of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >>spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >>They >>studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>center >>would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >>a >>dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >>but >>it >>does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>dining >>hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >>navigate >>the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>counter-clockwise direction. >> >>The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >>it >>is not the very best option available. >> >>I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >> >>Justin >> >> >> >>Justin M. Salisbury >>Undergraduate Student >>The University Honors Program >>East Carolina University >>salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >> >>?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>change >>the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? >>?MARGARET MEAD >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2 >>%40satx.rr.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >>sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >>-- >>Chris Nusbaum >> >>Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >>Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >>Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >>Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 18 >>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:58:53 -0400 >>From: chris nusbaum >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award >>Message-ID: >> >>>om >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >>Hi Beth, >> >>Amen to that! I'm going to try on my PC, as the site was a little >>weird with my BrailleNote, so it may be better with JAWS. I have >>recently finished reading Thunder Dog (my friend picked a copy up for >>me at national convention, as I wasn't there... what a bad >>Federationist I am, *smiles) and it's a wonderfull story. You'll love >>it! Enjoy the book! >> >>Chris >> >>P.S. Does anybody know when the deadline for voting for Roselle is? >>Did Mike mention this in one of his emails, and I just didn't pay >>attention? >> >>On 8/14/11, Beth wrote: >>Hi, guys. >>I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear >>of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for >>her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys >>have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog >>myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I >>have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been >>thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've >>heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in >>portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all >>vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. >>Thanks. >>Beth >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >>sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >>-- >>Chris Nusbaum >> >>Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >>Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >>Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >>Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 19 >>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:49:13 -0400 >>From: chris nusbaum >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on >> the move and a corrected link >>Message-ID: >> >>>om >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >>Hi Gabe, >> >>Just FYI, you don't need to send emails to the NABS list if they come >>across as posted to the NFBnet-members list. When Dave Andrews posts >>something to the NFBnet-members or NFBnet-master lists, it goes to >>everybody who's on any NFBnet lists. This reduces Inbox clutter for >>people who are on multiple lists, as a message is sent to one list, >>then forwarded to another list on the same server as the first, then >>another, and another... well, you see what I mean. The other lists you >>posted it to hadn't seen the message before you sent it, though, >>because they're on different servers. Just letting you know! >> >>Chris >> >>On 8/13/11, Gabe Cazares wrote: >>FYI >> >>...Gabe >> >>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>From: David Andrews >Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 >>Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >>corrected >>link >>To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >> >> >> >>Hello, >> >>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >>Ground >>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >>about >>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >> >>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers >>list >>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >>book >>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >>purchased >>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one >>please >>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". >>All >>copies >>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >> >>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >>If >>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>lessons around >>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at >>bookstores. >>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful >>to >>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before >>Roselle >>passed on June 26, 2011. >> >>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that >>"Thunder >>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >>The >>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind >>convention >>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >> >>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated >>as >>a >>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American >>Humane >>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the >>eight >>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >>problem. >>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >>and >>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >>Alma Mater. >> >>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As >>always, >>if >>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >>looking >>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and >>contact >>information. I hope all is well with you. >> >> >>Best, >> >> >>Mike Hingson >> >>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >> "Speaking with Vision" >>Michael Hingson, President >>(415) 827-4084 >>info at michaelhingson.com >>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>www.michaelhingson.com >> >>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year >>at >>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >> >>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Nfbnet-members-list mailing list >>Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >> >> >> >>-- >>Gabriel M. Cazares, >>2nd Vice President >>Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS >>(A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) >>www.nfbtx.org/tabs >>Phone: 713-581-0619 >>"The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest >>willing to let them." >>-Robert Frost >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >>sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >>-- >>Chris Nusbaum >> >>Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >>Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >>Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >>Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 20 >>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:25:30 -0400 >>From: Patrick Molloy >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod >>Message-ID: >> >>>om >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >>Hello everyone: >>I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds >>are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something >>to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more >>accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days? >>(I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't >>compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be >>appreciated. >>Thanks, >>Patrick Molloy >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> >>End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 >>************************************** >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2 >>%40satx.rr.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >>sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> >> >>-- >>Chris Nusbaum >> >>Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >>Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >>Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >>Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71 >>%40gmail.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookworma >>hb%40earthlink.net >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71 >>%40gmail..com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >>sloose%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From carlymih at earthlink.net Fri Aug 19 05:36:32 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:36:32 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness, Loss, and Therapy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110818222443.01d35a30@earthlink.net> Hi, Arielle, Counseling as part of a camp's common ciricuulum strikes me as being a little out there, as it does just that presumes that ALL blind folk need some type of psychological intervention. Those of us who, know only darkness, most likely find that, they have long since disected what blindness means to them and have no particular need or desire to hash and rehash same streams of consciousness, out issues they hopefully came to term with, in and around the whole highschool, experience. I myself got through highschool by staying good and stoned.... But, to each his own. for today, Car 08:03 PM 8/18/2011, Arielle Silverman wrote: >Hi Ashley and all, >Yes, the traditional loss models do resonate with many people's >initial experiences with blindness, and they aren't totally >defeatist-they do allow for the blind person to eventually come to >acceptance over time. The major problem with them is the notion that >people won't be able to succeed in rehabilitation until they've spent >some time wallowing in depression. Deliberately waiting to offer >rehabilitation training until the individual has been blind and >depressed for a while carries the obvious risk of making the >depression and sense of helplessness worse. >I think the discussion here brings up an interesting question: Should >training centers for the blind provide counseling or psychotherapy >either as an optional service, or as a required part of the >curriculum. I'm not sure of the best answer to that. Certainly many >students at centers would benefit from counseling-about blindness >issues or unrelated problems-but should everyone be presumed to need >counseling? Is having a counselor or psychologist on the center staff >a good idea or does it promote the notion that blind people all need >therapy? I'd be curious to hear your opinions on this. >Just as an aside, the summer camp for the blind I mentioned earlier >did have weekly group counseling as part of its programming. >Personally, I thought it was totally bogus, and in retrospect I >realize that was probably because we rarely discussed blindness or >other related experiences in the group. Sometimes we did discuss >common experiences and challenges with adolescence, but because we >were all so different, I didn't really feel like I was sharing >meaningful ideas with my peers about common issues. I probably derived >more therapeutic benefit from commiserating about blindness-related >issues with blind friends in late-night phone calls than I did in the >group. It also seemed a bit weird to be in group therapy generally. >But, perhaps if done right this kind of peer support group could offer >some benefit. >Arielle > >On 8/16/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > > Arielle, > > I'd like to read a little of his book even though I won't agree with Mr. > > Carroll. > > No, probably not all of it, but a little to hear straight from the source. > > Good post that seemed objective. I, too, have heard theories on adjustment > > to blindness. > > Yes such a loss theory does oversimplify the situation. But to me it makes > > some sense; although you are right that someone may get over the denial and > > depression if their family is supportive and encourages them to move on and > > get blindness skills. > > People cope with losses differently and as with any loss your environment > > and personal attitude helps you overcome such a loss. > > > > I've certainly met people going through vision loss and yes they are > > depressed a little bit. Imagine losing vision and knowing you will have to > > give up your driver's license? > > Can you imagine reading the paper or browsing magazines and then no longer > > being able to read the paper at breakfast or browse the news stand and > > magazine stand? > > These are two big losses for someone who had > full vision or enough vision to > > function in a sighted manner. > > Yes we can get around; but public transit has a lot to be desired; and if > > you want to go out on weekends, well most > buses do not run on weekends. Heck > > most buses stop running at mid evening. > > American society really does not make public transit a priority! We as a > > society favor the driver; so giving up those car keys is a huge loss. > > Then there is reading. Most books are not produced in alternative format; > > most newspapers are not accessible either. > > As someone who was legally blind for their life, I > > am used to these constraints. I never browsed the clothes rack or the news > > stand; I never picked up the local Journal or Gazette and read it. > > So for me, its life, nothing I've missed. But if you have RP and read or > > drove 20 years, I can understand that it’s a loss. Can you adapt and go on > > with life? > > Of course you can. But I can see why the loss > is a prevalent theory. I know > > people who are going through vision loss due to RP or something and its > > hard. Even if they embrace learning new skills, its harder. For instance, > > some of them lack the finger sensativity to feel the braille dots; they can > > read slowly or they cannot read at all. > > > > Anyway, the staff at Carroll seemed up beat and nice. They gave the youth > > age appropriate experiences and an introduction to blindness sports and > > daily living. > > No one implied blindness was a bad thing to > us students. I guess some staff > > members still hold that loss theory in their heads though; they certainly > > did not show it. > > Father Carroll founded it and died a long time ago. I'm not > > sure how much the center is the same now. There is certainly new staff and > > probably new ideas in the current center. > > No it its not NFB philosophy. Just saying they might have a more positive > > attitude and higher expectations than the founder did. > > > > Okay, I'll go get the book this week. Can't read all of it; I might get > > depressed. > > Ashley > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Arielle Silverman > > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:43 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness a dying? > > > > Hi all, > > Interesting. I didn't realize the founder of the Carroll Center was > > the same guy who wrote "Blindness: What it Is, What it Does and How to > > Live with It". I haven't actually read the book myself, but I have > > read other articles who have cited it, and in fact I read up quite a > > bit on Carroll's philosophy as part of a grant proposal I recently > > wrote. > > Fr. Carroll was one of several blindness rehab scholars in the 1960's > > and 1970's who advocated a "loss model" explaining how people adjust > > to blindness. These loss models postulate that losing one's eyesight > > is a lot like experiencing the death of a loved one and that people > > cope with it in similar fashion by going through various stages of > > grief, like denial, depression, anger and despair, before they > > eventually come to accept the loss and move forward. My understanding > > is that loss-model advocates generally believed people who lose their > > sight are not "ready" to begin getting training in alternative > > techniques until they have had time to process their sadness and > > grief. What is so unfortunate about these kinds of theories is that > > they imply everyone reacts to blindness in the same way, and that > > these negative emotional reactions are inevitable and will happen > > regardless of what rehab professionals or others (like family members, > > spouses, etc.) do. Luckily, more recently scholars in the field have > > noticed that not everyone who becomes blind experiences depression or > > grief and that some people actually do quite well with early training > > in alternative skills. Scholars have also begun to understand that the > > reactions of the important people in a blind person's life can play a > > huge role in determining how that blind person copes and that much of > > the depression, frustration, etc. that come from blindness actually > > come from other people's negative reactions, as well as the temporary > > sense of incompetence that comes from not knowing alternative skills. > > The problem with theories like Carroll's, I think, is that they assume > > blindness affects everyone equally. Of course many of us who lose > > vision experience temporary depression and grief, and of course even > > those of us who have been blind our whole lives have times when we > > hate blindness. But clearly not everyone reacts in the same way or > > finds their lives dominated by these negative feelings. It's similar > > to research we often see showing how blind children on average are > > deficient or delayed in all kinds of developmental areas. This may be > > true on average, but it's not true for all blind kids. These kinds of > > conclusions that focus on blind people as a group may be accurate, but > > they're oversimplified. They fail to account for all the factors that > > allow some of us to end up better-adjusted than others. What > > distinguishes newly blind folks who get depressed from those who > > don't? What separates blind kids who start crawling or walking on time > > from those who don't? These kinds of questions, I think, are rarely > > asked, but they're much more important than the questions that lump > > all blind people together, because they show us what controllable > > factors make real differences in our lives. If we don't ask these > > kinds of questions, we end up concluding that blindness is a kind of > > equal-opportunity buzzkill that will leave all of us maladjusted and > > unproductive regardless of what we do. And that's depressing! > > Arielle > > > > On 8/16/11, chris nusbaum wrote: > >> Hi Justin, > >> > >> Don't hold your breath for having a Federationist take over the > >> Carroll Center! Well, it may happen, but I don't see it happening > >> soon, as they've worked very closely with the AFB (I think) and a lot > >> of them still believe in what FR Carroll did. > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> On 8/16/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > >>> Hello Justin and everyone, > >>> > >>> You can read all about FR. Carroll's belief about blindness being a > >>> "Dying" in his book "Blindness: What it is, What it does,and How to Live > >>> With It." You should be able to get the book from NLS, Learning Allie, or > >>> Bookshare.org. I read it in the late 1970s and became totally depressed > >>> after reading three chapters of it. Dr. Jernigan quoted from it in his > >>> address: "Blindness Handicap or Characteristic." > >>> > >>> Peter Donahue > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" > >>> To: > >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:42 AM > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > >>> > >>> > >>> I just want to summarize my view on the Carroll Center: > >>> > >>> If it's the only opportunity you have to get some skills that you don't > >>> already have, it can benefit you. If you have the opportunity to attend > >>> an > >>> NFB training center (or BISM, which Amy Phelps runs with an NFB > >>> philosophy), > >>> choose it over the Carroll Center 100 out of 100 times. > >>> > >>> I've never heard the "dying" thing about Father Carroll, but it does not > >>> surprise me. I would love to get a good Federationist to take over the > >>> management of the Carroll Center. > >>> > >>> Justin > >>> > >>> Justin M. Salisbury > >>> Undergraduate Student > >>> The University Honors Program > >>> East Carolina University > >>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu > >>> > >>> “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can > >>> change > >>> the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD > >>> > >>> > >>> ________________________________________ > >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of > >>> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org] > >>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:00 PM > >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 > >>> > >>> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> > >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >>> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > >>> > >>> You can reach the person managing the list at > >>> nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > >>> > >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >>> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." > >>> > >>> > >>> Today's Topics: > >>> > >>> 1. nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (David Dunphy) > >>> 2. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (Justin Young) > >>> 3. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Kirt Manwaring) > >>> 4. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Heather Field) > >>> 5. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read > >>> (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > >>> 6. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (chris nusbaum) > >>> 7. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) > >>> 8. announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: new email > >>> address for the business (chris nusbaum) > >>> 9. The Carroll Center for the Blind (Salisbury, Justin Mark) > >>> 10. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (David Dodge) > >>> 11. Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a > >>> corrected link (Gabe Cazares) > >>> 12. AMerican Hero Dog Award (Beth) > >>> 13. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (Peter Donahue) > >>> 14. sending a message to all Gmail contacts? (chris nusbaum) > >>> 15. Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier > >>> (chris nusbaum) > >>> 16. Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. > >>> (chris nusbaum) > >>> 17. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (chris nusbaum) > >>> 18. Re: AMerican Hero Dog Award (chris nusbaum) > >>> 19. Re: Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move > >>> and a corrected link (chris nusbaum) > >>> 20. accessible iPod (Patrick Molloy) > >>> > >>> > >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> Message: 1 > >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:11:26 -0400 > >>> From: David Dunphy > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read > >>> Message-ID: > >>> > >>> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >>> > >>> Hi Everybody! > >>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the > >>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it > >>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting > >>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some > >>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but > >>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I > >>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye > >>> nabslinkaudio.org. > >>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting > >>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and > >>> spam, etc. > >>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the > >>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch > >>> to a new provider. > >>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you > >>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. > >>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back > >>> online again. > >>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet > >>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect > >>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement > >>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already > >>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: > >>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their > >>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get > >>> said messages and no one else > >>> and > >>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a > >>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be > >>> validated by the owner > >>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense > >>> once you see it! > >>> If you have any questions, please email me at > >>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com > >>> Thank you. > >>> >From David > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 2 > >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:29:42 -0400 > >>> From: Justin Young > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? > >>> Message-ID: > >>> > >>> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >>> > >>> Hi David, > >>> > >>> No problem. I did three different programs. In the Summer of 2006 I > >>> did the Youth In Transition(YIT) program which is heavily focused upon > >>> daily living skills. There were classes from 8:45-3pm Mon-Fri. Then > >>> there was activities that you did clubs and stuff like that. Some > >>> were fun and some not really. You have the opportunity to do fencing, > >>> and other evening activities. Some of the evening ones were more > >>> arts/crafts style if I recall. Its hard to say with the > >>> extracurriculars cuz they changed ever year. The ones whichwere the > >>> same were Fencing, Sailing, shopping and others which I forget. The > >>> next Summer I did the Real World of Work Experience Program(RWWE) > >>> which was 5 weeks where the first week is doing the classes to make > >>> sure you can do all of it because like laundry you had to wait until > >>> after classes were over or on weekends as well. Once you begin > >>> working its great I must say. When I did it they selected a place for > >>> you and you were on the job site for Mon, Wed, Fri and Tues & Thu you > >>> went on Field Trips. Oh yes I forgot about those we went on those as > >>> well in YIT. They were to fun places, movies, golfing & stuff like > >>> that. For the RWWE program though on Thursdays we went on Work > >>> related field trips. Like once we went to the State House in Boston > >>> and tried to go to Cape Cod, but the van I was in broke down so > >>> couldn't do that one. There were still the activities in the > >>> afternoon and evening. I didn't really do the ones in the afternoon > >>> because I got back from work to late always. I worked at the Newton > >>> Welseley Hospital in the Receiving Department which was fun after I > >>> got a hand of what I was doing, the layout of the place and confidence > >>> that I could do it all. I delivered to depts mainly. For my Final > >>> Summer I and 4 others were involved in the pilot program of Transition > >>> To College(TTC) in the Summer of 2008. This program was 4 weeks where > >>> we did 2 at the Carroll Center like the YIT program and 2 at Boston > >>> College. The 2 weeks of the classes is to ensure we could do it while > >>> at BC. There was also a 2 week period before the program started for > >>> all in the program to do the Computing to College which is a computer > >>> program based in the Technology Center at the Carroll Center. I > >>> couldn't do this portion because I was finishing High School. While > >>> at BC we attended various seminars during the day and after I think > >>> 3pm it was we were free to do whatever we liked. We stayed in a dorm > >>> which was a suite style and had a supervisor in one of the 5 rooms > >>> with us. We were given each day $15 for food and had to give the > >>> supervisor all receipts of what we spent. We definitely got our > >>> exercise because our dorm was about a mile from the Education Building > >>> where our seminars took place. We went on a field trip or two I don't > >>> remember. I remember we went to either Boston University or one of > >>> the UMass schools. I and a few of the others in the program took the > >>> train to go places once or twice and a coffee shop was right on the > >>> edge of the college and not far from our dorm. So, I went there > >>> sometimes. > >>> > >>> It was a great three years full of making friends. The cons you > >>> asked? Hmm, well it really depends upon how you look at which program > >>> you are in. I would say that sometimes you were forced to do things > >>> you didn't really want to do which is why I really liked the BC > >>> living. I hope this helps you. > >>> > >>> Justin > >>> > >>> On 8/13/11, David Dodge wrote: > >>>> Justin, > >>>> Thanks for your e-mail. Clearly, you have a great deal of experience > >>>> with > >>>> the center. Can you tell me about the program you were in, what you > >>>> learned, > >>>> and how it helped you? Were there any cons to the center? Thanks so > >>>> much. > >>>> > >>>> David > >>>> ---------------------------------- > >>>> David Dodge > >>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > >>>> State University of New York Student Assembly > >>>> English Major > >>>> University at Buffalo > >>>> 306 Clemens Hall > >>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 > >>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Justin Young wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hi David, > >>>>> > >>>>> I have experience with this center since I spent 3 consecutive summers > >>>>> at the Corroll Center. I would be happy to answer any questions you > >>>>> may have. > >>>>> > >>>>> Justin Young > >>>>> > >>>>> On 8/12/11, David Dodge wrote: > >>>>> > Hello Everyone, > >>>>> > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the > >>>>> > Blind > >>>>> in > >>>>> > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific > >>>>> center? > >>>>> > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > David > >>>>> > ---------------------------------- > >>>>> > David Dodge > >>>>> > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > >>>>> > State University of New York Student Assembly > >>>>> > English Major > >>>>> > University at Buffalo > >>>>> > 306 Clemens Hall > >>>>> > Buffalo, NY 14260 > >>>>> > daviddod at buffalo.edu > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>>> > nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>> > nabs-l: > >>>>> > > >>>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>> nabs-l: > >>>>> > >>>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 3 > >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:52:23 -0600 > >>> From: Kirt Manwaring > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers > >>> Message-ID: > >>> > >>> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > >>> > >>> Peter, > >>> I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time > >>> using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their > >>> own, I guess. > >>> Warmly, > >>> Kirt > >>> > >>> On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > >>>> Hello Joseph and everyone, > >>>> > >>>> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. > >>>> It > >>>> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access > >>>> for > >>>> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping > >>>> to > >>>> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio > >>>> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or > >>>> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: > >>>> http://www.blio.com > >>>> > >>>> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a > >>>> great > >>>> product. Now to add more books to our collection. > >>>> > >>>> Peter Donahue > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" > >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >>>> > >>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be > >>>> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works > >>>> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* > >>>> > >>>> Joseph - kf7qzc > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: > >>>>>Listers, > >>>>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? > >>>>> > >>>>>Thanks, > >>>>>Jan > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>From: Rania Ismail CMT > >>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > >>>>> > >>>>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm > >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is > >>>>>free. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>> > >>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > >>>>>Behalf > >>>>> > >>>>>Of Anjelina > >>>>> > >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM > >>>>> > >>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>>> > >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt > >>>>>from > >>>>> > >>>>>paying the annual fee. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>> > >>>>>From: Marsha Drenth > >>>>> > >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM > >>>>> > >>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > >>>>> > >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around > >>>>> > >>>>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to > >>>>>use > >>>>> > >>>>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been > >>>>> > >>>>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't > >>>>>use > >>>>> > >>>>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I > >>>>> > >>>>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie > >>>>>books. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Marsha > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > >>>>>signature > >>>>> > >>>>>database 6364 (20110809) __________ > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>http://www.eset.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>> > >>>>>nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> > >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> > >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> > >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>> > >>>>>nabs-l: > >>>>> > >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs- > l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. > >>>>> > >>>>>com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Anjelina > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>> > >>>>>nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> > >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> > >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> > >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>> > >>>>>nabs-l: > >>>>> > >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs- > l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai > >>>>> > >>>>>l.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>> > >>>>>nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> > >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> > >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> > >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>>nabs-l: > >>>>> > >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs- > l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>nabs-l mailing list > >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>>nabs-l: > >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs- > l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 4 > >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:27:44 -0500 > >>> From: "Heather Field" > >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers > >>> Message-ID: > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; > >>> reply-type=original > >>> > >>> Hi Kurt, > >>> I downloaded Kindle for PC and then bought an ebook with speech enabled. > >>> However, I believe I still need an accessibility plugin or some such > >>> add-on > >>> to make it fully accessible. As you're having great success with using > >>> Kindle, can you please advise me as to what I need to do so I can read my > >>> ebook. > >>> > >>> Thanks so much. > >>> Heather > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Kirt Manwaring > >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:52 PM > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers > >>> > >>> Peter, > >>> I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time > >>> using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their > >>> own, I guess. > >>> Warmly, > >>> Kirt > >>> > >>> On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > >>>> Hello Joseph and everyone, > >>>> > >>>> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. > >>>> It > >>>> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access > >>>> for > >>>> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping > >>>> to > >>>> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio > >>>> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or > >>>> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: > >>>> http://www.blio.com > >>>> > >>>> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a > >>>> great > >>>> product. Now to add more books to our collection. > >>>> > >>>> Peter Donahue > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" > >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >>>> > >>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be > >>>> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works > >>>> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* > >>>> > >>>> Joseph - kf7qzc > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: > >>>>>Listers, > >>>>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? > >>>>> > >>>>>Thanks, > >>>>>Jan > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>From: Rania Ismail CMT > >>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > >>>>> > >>>>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm > >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is > >>>>>free. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>> > >>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > >>>>>Behalf > >>>>> > >>>>>Of Anjelina > >>>>> > >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM > >>>>> > >>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>>> > >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt > >>>>>from > >>>>> > >>>>>paying the annual fee. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>> > >>>>>From: Marsha Drenth > >>>>> > >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM > >>>>> > >>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > >>>>> > >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around > >>>>> > >>>>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to > >>>>>use > >>>>> > >>>>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been > >>>>> > >>>>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't > >>>>>use > >>>>> > >>>>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I > >>>>> > >>>>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie > >>>>>books. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Marsha > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > >>>>>signature > >>>>> > >>>>>database 6364 (20110809) __________ > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>http://www.eset.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>> > >>>>>nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> > >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> > >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> > >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>> > >>>>>nabs-l: > >>>>> > >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs- > l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. > >>>>> > >>>>>com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Anjelina > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>> > >>>>>nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> > >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> > >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> > >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>> > >>>>>nabs-l: > >>>>> > >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs- > l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai > >>>>> > >>>>>l.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>> > >>>>>nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> > >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> > >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> > >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>>nabs-l: > >>>>> > >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs- > l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>_______________________________________________ > >>>>>nabs-l mailing list > >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>>nabs-l: > >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs- > l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/missheather%40comcast.net > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 5 > >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:49:43 -0400 > >>> From: > >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read > >>> Message-ID: <1DD7E36205204D098FAF6758FBF60CAC at OwnerPC> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > >>> reply-type=original > >>> > >>> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: David Dunphy > >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read > >>> > >>> Hi Everybody! > >>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the > >>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it > >>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting > >>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some > >>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but > >>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I > >>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye > >>> nabslinkaudio.org. > >>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting > >>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and > >>> spam, etc. > >>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the > >>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch > >>> to a new provider. > >>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you > >>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. > >>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back > >>> online again. > >>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet > >>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect > >>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement > >>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already > >>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: > >>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their > >>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get > >>> said messages and no one else > >>> and > >>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a > >>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be > >>> validated by the owner > >>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense > >>> once you see it! > >>> If you have any questions, please email me at > >>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com > >>> Thank you. > >>> >From David > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 6 > >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:09:38 -0400 > >>> From: chris nusbaum > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read > >>> Message-ID: > >>> > >>> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >>> > >>> Hi David, > >>> > >>> Technical problems, technical problems! First, nabslinkaudio.org's Web > >>> hosting service motherboard fried, and I just got an email saying that > >>> AAR will be temporarily offline! Wow! I completely understand. Thanks > >>> for the update, and I look forward to listening to the meeting! > >>> > >>> Chris > >>> > >>> On 8/13/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > >>>> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: David Dunphy > >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM > >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read > >>>> > >>>> Hi Everybody! > >>>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the > >>>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it > >>>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting > >>>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some > >>>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but > >>>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I > >>>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye > >>>> nabslinkaudio.org. > >>>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting > >>>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and > >>>> spam, etc. > >>>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the > >>>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch > >>>> to a new provider. > >>>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you > >>>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. > >>>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back > >>>> online again. > >>>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet > >>>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect > >>>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement > >>>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already > >>>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: > >>>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their > >>>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get > >>>> said messages and no one else > >>>> and > >>>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a > >>>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be > >>>> validated by the owner > >>>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense > >>>> once you see it! > >>>> If you have any questions, please email me at > >>>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com > >>>> Thank you. > >>>> >From David > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Chris Nusbaum > >>> > >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator > >>> > >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > >>> > >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > >>> > >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 7 > >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:00:54 -0400 > >>> From: > >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? > >>> Message-ID: <94D3A84AC9CB48E483A5C87D966FF189 at OwnerPC> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > >>> reply-type=original > >>> > >>> David, > >>> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation > >>> adult > >>> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational > >>> transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a > >>> short summer experience to comment on. > >>> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult > >>> program > >>> because I am thinking of going back for training. > >>> > >>> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. > >>> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it?s > >>> a > >>> shorter program since they have a new program called > >>> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the > >>> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I > >>> known > >>> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE > >>> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The > >>> teens > >>> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. > >>> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I > >>> was > >>> friends with the RWWE students though. > >>> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of > >>> field > >>> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and > >>> RWWE > >>> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. > >>> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each > >>> other > >>> since there was some overlap in experience. > >>> > >>> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living > >>> skills. > >>> Its like the youth version of the rehab program. > >>> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. > >>> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students > >>> had > >>> club activities and in the evening > >>> there were more activities and some of them were off campus. > >>> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class > >>> period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra > >>> curriculars > >>> and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already knew. I > >>> wonder > >>> if the adult program is more individualized with a good evaluation of > >>> skills before you learn skills in class. > >>> > >>> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, > >>> and > >>> information technology. In communication some students learned braille > >>> but > >>> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase > >>> a > >>> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. > >>> In > >>> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on > >>> cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and > >>> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found > >>> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained > >>> things. > >>> There was another student in my class. We made > >>> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had > >>> a > >>> lesson on putting on lipstick too. > >>> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and > >>> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. > >>> > >>> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and > >>> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the > >>> bus. > >>> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to > >>> Newton > >>> center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I > >>> had > >>> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. > >>> > >>> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was > >>> ten > >>> years ago! > >>> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay > >>> objects and painted them. > >>> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or > >>> goal > >>> ball. > >>> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to > >>> swim, > >>> but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping > >>> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. > >>> > >>> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually > >>> fun. > >>> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where > >>> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and > >>> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to > >>> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and > >>> museums. > >>> > >>> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student > >>> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision > >>> impaired. > >>> > >>> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: David Dodge > >>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? > >>> > >>> Hello Everyone, > >>> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind > >>> in > >>> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific > >>> center? > >>> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. > >>> > >>> David > >>> ---------------------------------- > >>> David Dodge > >>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > >>> State University of New York Student Assembly > >>> English Major > >>> University at Buffalo > >>> 306 Clemens Hall > >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 > >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 8 > >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:28:47 -0400 > >>> From: chris nusbaum > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> , Blind Talk Mailing List > >>> , > >>> "g List\" , \"nfbmd\" , > >>> \"nabs\" , \"maryland-l\" , > >>> \"Ross > >>> Hammond\" , \"alena roberts\"" > >>> > >>> Cc: Ariana Lipka , ariannas.art at gmail.com > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: > >>> new email address for the business > >>> Message-ID: > >>> > >>> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Chris Nusbaum > >>> > >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator > >>> > >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > >>> > >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > >>> > >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" > >>> > >>> > >>> Hi everyone, > >>> > >>> I'd like to let everyone know of a new and exciting change in our > >>> painting business for the blind and sighted, Arianna's Art, Inc. We've > >>> just created an email account where you can send us questions, > >>> comments, suggestions, or any other information regarding our > >>> business. If you would like to advertise our product by displaying it > >>> at your next NFB, ACB, or any other meeting or event, or would like to > >>> advertise us in any other way, you can also contact us via this email. > >>> Our email address is ariannas.art at gmail.com. We're also trying to > >>> create an email list for people who would like to recieve > >>> announcements from us. In other words, if you specify that you would > >>> like to be added to our email list, we'll add your email address to > >>> our contacts list, and whenever we have a new announcement, we'll > >>> email it to you. If you'd like to recieve announcements from us, > >>> please leave us your name and email address at the above email. The > >>> email address once again is ariannas.art at gmail.com. Arianna has two > >>> n's and there's no apostrophe before the s. Hope to hear from you > >>> soon! > >>> > >>> Chris > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 9 > >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:57:40 +0000 > >>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" > >>> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > >>> Message-ID: > >>> > >>> > <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94 at SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> > >>> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > >>> > >>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers > >>> with > >>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. > >>> > >>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an > >>> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with > >>> all > >>> of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, > >>> I > >>> highly recommend it. > >>> > >>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the > >>> Real > >>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the > >>> experience > >>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement > >>> that > >>> I > >>> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so > >>> I > >>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to > >>> use > >>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my > >>> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything > >>> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M > >>> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, > >>> but > >>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. > >>> I > >>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for > >>> the > >>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn > >>> all > >>> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable > >>> visual field and acuity. > >>> > >>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before > >>> I > >>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have > >>> chosen. > >>> > >>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence > >>> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do > >>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision > >>> devices, > >>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us > >>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we > >>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest > >>> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called > >>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other > >>> students > >>> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities > >>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also > >>> saw > >>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we > >>> were > >>> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people > >>> talk," > >>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often > >>> led > >>> to self-awareness and confidence building. > >>> > >>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our > >>> skills > >>> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we > >>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid > >>> by > >>> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and > >>> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students > >>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were > >>> responsible > >>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We > >>> had > >>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so > >>> they > >>> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at > >>> a > >>> distance while we were in the environment. > >>> > >>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the > >>> end > >>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They > >>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an > >>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They > >>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training > >>> center > >>> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in > >>> a > >>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but > >>> it > >>> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the > >>> dining > >>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate > >>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or > >>> counter-clockwise direction. > >>> > >>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but > >>> it > >>> is not the very best option available. > >>> > >>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. > >>> > >>> Justin > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Justin M. Salisbury > >>> Undergraduate Student > >>> The University Honors Program > >>> East Carolina University > >>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu > >>> > >>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can > >>> change > >>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 10 > >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:03:06 -0400 > >>> From: David Dodge > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? > >>> Message-ID: > >>> > >>> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > >>> > >>> Thanks so much. He is doing the Youth in Transition program and is > >>> interested in doing some other programs as well. Good to know you had > >>> very > >>> positive experiences. > >>> > >>> David > >>> ---------------------------------- > >>> David Dodge > >>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > >>> State University of New York Student Assembly > >>> English Major > >>> University at Buffalo > >>> 306 Clemens Hall > >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 > >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM, wrote: > >>> > >>>> David, > >>>> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation > >>>> adult > >>>> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational > >>>> transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have > >>>> a > >>>> short summer experience to comment on. > >>>> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult > >>>> program > >>>> because I am thinking of going back for training. > >>>> > >>>> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. > >>>> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now > >>>> it?s > >>>> a > >>>> shorter program since they have a new program called > >>>> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the > >>>> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I > >>>> known > >>>> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE > >>>> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The > >>>> teens > >>>> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. > >>>> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I > >>>> was friends with the RWWE students though. > >>>> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of > >>>> field > >>>> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and > >>>> RWWE > >>>> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. > >>>> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each > >>>> other > >>>> since there was some overlap in experience. > >>>> > >>>> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living > >>>> skills. > >>>> Its like the youth version of the rehab program. > >>>> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. > >>>> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students > >>>> had club activities and in the evening > >>>> there were more activities and some of them were off campus. > >>>> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class > >>>> period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra > >>>> curriculars and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already > >>>> knew. I wonder if the adult program is more individualized with a good > >>>> evaluation of skills before you learn skills in class. > >>>> > >>>> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, > >>>> and > >>>> information technology. In communication some students learned braille > >>>> but > >>>> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to > >>>> erase > >>>> a > >>>> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. > >>>> In > >>>> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on > >>>> cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and > >>>> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found > >>>> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained > >>>> things. > >>>> There was another student in my class. We made > >>>> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We > >>>> had > >>>> a > >>>> lesson on putting on lipstick too. > >>>> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and > >>>> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. > >>>> > >>>> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing > >>>> and > >>>> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the > >>>> bus. > >>>> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to > >>>> Newton > >>>> center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I > >>>> had > >>>> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. > >>>> > >>>> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was > >>>> ten years ago! > >>>> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay > >>>> objects and painted them. > >>>> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or > >>>> goal > >>>> ball. > >>>> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to > >>>> swim, > >>>> but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping > >>>> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. > >>>> > >>>> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually > >>>> fun. > >>>> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where > >>>> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and > >>>> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us > >>>> to > >>>> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and > >>>> museums. > >>>> > >>>> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one > >>>> student > >>>> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision > >>>> impaired. > >>>> > >>>> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. > >>>> -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge > >>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM > >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? > >>>> > >>>> Hello Everyone, > >>>> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind > >>>> in > >>>> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific > >>>> center? > >>>> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. > >>>> > >>>> David > >>>> ------------------------------**---- > >>>> David Dodge > >>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > >>>> State University of New York Student Assembly > >>>> English Major > >>>> University at Buffalo > >>>> 306 Clemens Hall > >>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 > >>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu > >>>> ______________________________**_________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > >>>> > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > >>>> > >>>> ______________________________**_________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** > >>>> > daviddod%40buffalo.edu > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 11 > >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:59:07 -0500 > >>> From: Gabe Cazares > >>> To: members , tabs_students > >>> , nabs-l > >>> > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the > >>> move and a corrected link > >>> Message-ID: > >>> > >>> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >>> > >>> FYI > >>> > >>> ...Gabe > >>> > >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >>> From: David Andrews > >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 > >>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a > >>> corrected > >>> link > >>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>>Hello, > >>>> > >>>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, > >>>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at > >>>>Ground > >>>>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world > >>>>about > >>>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to > >>>>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. > >>>> > >>>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has > >>>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers > >>>> list > >>>>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and > >>>>book > >>>>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have > >>>>purchased > >>>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one > >>>>please > >>>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All > >>>>copies > >>>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. > >>>> > >>>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. > >>>>If > >>>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life > >>>>lessons around > >>>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at > >>>>bookstores. > >>>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and > >>>>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to > >>>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before > >>>> Roselle > >>>>passed on June 26, 2011. > >>>> > >>>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that "Thunder > >>>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. > >>>>The > >>>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at > >>>>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a > >>>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind > >>>>convention > >>>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. > >>>> > >>>>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated > >>>>as > >>>>a > >>>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane > >>>>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the > >>>> eight > >>>>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a > >>>>problem. > >>>>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time > >>>>and > >>>>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. > >>>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you > >>>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for > >>>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her > >>>>Alma Mater. > >>>> > >>>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As always, > >>>>if > >>>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always > >>>>looking > >>>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact > >>>>information. I hope all is well with you. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Best, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Mike Hingson > >>>> > >>>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. > >>>> "Speaking with Vision" > >>>>Michael Hingson, President > >>>>(415) 827-4084 > >>>>info at michaelhingson.com > >>>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael > >>>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: > >>>>www.michaelhingson.com > >>>> > >>>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at > >>>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 > >>>> > >>>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: > >>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Nfbnet-members-list mailing list > >>> Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Gabriel M. Cazares, > >>> 2nd Vice President > >>> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS > >>> (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) > >>> www.nfbtx.org/tabs > >>> Phone: 713-581-0619 > >>> "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest > >>> willing to let them." > >>> -Robert Frost > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 12 > >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:57:26 -0600 > >>> From: Beth > >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award > >>> Message-ID: <4e47aa32.87cee70a.3a4e.ffffa021 at mx.google.com> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed > >>> > >>> Hi, guys. > >>> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear > >>> of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for > >>> her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys > >>> have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog > >>> myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I > >>> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been > >>> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've > >>> heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in > >>> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all > >>> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. > >>> Thanks. > >>> Beth > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 13 > >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:08:02 -0500 > >>> From: "Peter Donahue" > >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > >>> Message-ID: <003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43 at yourfsyly0jtwn> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > >>> > >>> Hello Justin and everyone, > >>> > >>> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll > >>> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw > >>> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What > >>> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a > >>> "Dying." > >>> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you > >>> need > >>> once and it will last you a life time. > >>> > >>> Peter Donahue > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" > >>> To: > >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > >>> > >>> > >>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers > >>> with > >>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. > >>> > >>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an > >>> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with > >>> all > >>> of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, > >>> I > >>> highly recommend it. > >>> > >>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the > >>> Real > >>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the > >>> experience > >>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement > >>> that > >>> I > >>> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so > >>> I > >>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to > >>> use > >>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my > >>> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything > >>> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M > >>> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, > >>> but > >>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. > >>> I > >>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for > >>> the > >>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn > >>> all > >>> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable > >>> visual field and acuity. > >>> > >>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before > >>> I > >>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have > >>> chosen. > >>> > >>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence > >>> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do > >>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision > >>> devices, > >>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us > >>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we > >>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest > >>> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called > >>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other > >>> students > >>> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities > >>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also > >>> saw > >>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we > >>> were > >>> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people > >>> talk," > >>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often > >>> led > >>> to self-awareness and confidence building. > >>> > >>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our > >>> skills > >>> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we > >>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid > >>> by > >>> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and > >>> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students > >>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were > >>> responsible > >>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We > >>> had > >>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so > >>> they > >>> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at > >>> a > >>> distance while we were in the environment. > >>> > >>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the > >>> end > >>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They > >>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an > >>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They > >>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training > >>> center > >>> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in > >>> a > >>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but > >>> it > >>> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the > >>> dining > >>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate > >>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or > >>> counter-clockwise direction. > >>> > >>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but > >>> it > >>> is not the very best option available. > >>> > >>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. > >>> > >>> Justin > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Justin M. Salisbury > >>> Undergraduate Student > >>> The University Honors Program > >>> East Carolina University > >>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu > >>> > >>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can > >>> change > >>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 14 > >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:32:38 -0400 > >>> From: chris nusbaum > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] sending a message to all Gmail contacts? > >>> Message-ID: > >>> > >>> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >>> > >>> Hi everyone, > >>> > >>> I have a question for all Gmail users. Is there a way that I can send > >>> a message to all Gmail contacts at the same time? Is there some kind > >>> of "send to all" button like there is on my mom's Yahoo account? I'm > >>> asking because, as I posted last night, our business (Arianna's Art, > >>> Inc.) has created a new Gmail account where people can send us > >>> questions, feedback, orders, etc. We'd also like to create a contacts > >>> list for our Gmail account, and send out an email to all our contacts > >>> when we have a new announcement or a piece of news. So, can I do this > >>> in Gmail without Google group? If I can't do this with JAWS in Basic > >>> HTML mode, I'll just create a list on Google Groups. But, can I send > >>> one message to all contacts? Thanks! > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Chris Nusbaum > >>> > >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator > >>> > >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > >>> > >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > >>> > >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 15 > >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:34:34 -0400 > >>> From: chris nusbaum > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> > >>> Cc: Blind Talk Mailing List > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors > >>> flier > >>> Message-ID: > >>> > >>> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >>> > >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >>> From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" > >>> > >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:38:39 -0500 > >>> Subject: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier > >>> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." > >>> > >>> > >>> *Employment Mentoring Project* > >>> > >>> *Seeking Professionals Who Are Blind * > >>> > >>> ** > >>> > >>> Remember the challenges you faced in finding your first job?? > >>> > >>> Would you like to help a college student who is also blind begin their > >>> career in a profession similar to yours?? > >>> > >>> We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with > >>> mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. > >>> > >>> *BENEFITS* > >>> > >>> ?Opportunity to mentor a college student who is blind and is interested > >>> in working in your profession > >>> > >>> ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community > >>> > >>> *RESPONSIBILITIES* > >>> > >>> ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after your mentee > >>> graduates > >>> > >>> ?Help your mentee develop career goals and offer opportunities for job > >>> shadowing > >>> > >>> ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month > >>> > >>> ?Complete online activities monthly > >>> > >>> ** > >>> > >>> *ELIGIBILITY* > >>> > >>> ?Legal blindness > >>> > >>> ?Currently employed or retired from a professional career > >>> > >>> ?Has basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility > >>> software/hardware needed to access online materials > >>> > >>> *INTERESTED?* > >>> > >>> ?*Complete the eligibility survey at > >>> *http://tiny.cc/mentor-professionals** > >>> > >>> ** > >>> > >>> ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State > >>> University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at > >>> rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: > >>> 1-800-675-7782 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Chris Nusbaum > >>> > >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator > >>> > >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > >>> > >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > >>> > >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 16 > >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:37:04 -0400 > >>> From: chris nusbaum > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> , Blind Talk Mailing List > >>> > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees > >>> flier. > >>> Message-ID: > >>> > >>> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >>> > >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >>> From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" > >>> > >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:37:29 -0500 > >>> Subject: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. > >>> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." > >>> > >>> > >>> *Employment Mentoring Project* > >>> > >>> *For Students Who Are Legally Blind* > >>> > >>> ** > >>> > >>> Is finding a job your next big step after graduation?? > >>> > >>> Would you like the opportunity to work with a mentor who is also blind > >>> and has experience in your profession of interest?? > >>> > >>> We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with > >>> mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. > >>> > >>> *BENEFITS* > >>> > >>> ?Potential to work with a career mentor who is blind > >>> > >>> ?Access to career development resources > >>> > >>> ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community > >>> > >>> *RESPONSIBILITIES* > >>> > >>> ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after graduation > >>> > >>> ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month > >>> > >>> ?Complete online activities monthly > >>> > >>> ** > >>> > >>> *ELIGIBILITY* > >>> > >>> ?Undergraduate or graduate student, under age 35, who: > >>> > >>> oIs legally blind > >>> > >>> oPlans to graduate within 2-3 semesters after January 2012 > >>> > >>> oExpects to seek employment after graduation > >>> > >>> oHas basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility > >>> software/hardware needed to access online materials > >>> > >>> *INTERESTED?* > >>> > >>> ?*Complete eligibility survey online at *http://tiny.cc/mentor-students** > >>> > >>> ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State > >>> University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at > >>> rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: > >>> 1-800-675-7782 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Chris Nusbaum > >>> > >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator > >>> > >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > >>> > >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > >>> > >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 17 > >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:50:16 -0400 > >>> From: chris nusbaum > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > >>> Message-ID: > >>> > >>> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > >>> > >>> Hi everyone, > >>> > >>> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to > >>> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about > >>> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend > >>> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, > >>> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center > >>> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, > >>> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought > >>> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each > >>> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences > >>> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely > >>> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm > >>> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into > >>> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! > >>> > >>> Chris > >>> > >>> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > >>>> Hello Justin and everyone, > >>>> > >>>> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll > >>>> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and > >>>> saw > >>>> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. > >>>> What > >>>> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a > >>>> "Dying." > >>>> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you > >>>> need > >>>> once and it will last you a life time. > >>>> > >>>> Peter Donahue > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" > >>>> To: > >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM > >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers > >>>> with > >>>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. > >>>> > >>>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an > >>>> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with > >>>> all > >>>> of the other students involved. If only considering the social > >>>> frontier, > >>>> I > >>>> highly recommend it. > >>>> > >>>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the > >>>> Real > >>>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the > >>>> experience > >>>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement > >>>> that > >>>> > >>>> I > >>>> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, > >>>> so > >>>> I > >>>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to > >>>> use > >>>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my > >>>> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything > >>>> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M > >>>> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, > >>>> but > >>>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. > >>>> I > >>>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for > >>>> the > >>>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn > >>>> all > >>>> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable > >>>> visual field and acuity. > >>>> > >>>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before > >>>> I > >>>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have > >>>> chosen. > >>>> > >>>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our > >>>> confidence > >>>> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do > >>>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision > >>>> devices, > >>>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us > >>>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If > >>>> we > >>>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest > >>>> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called > >>>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other > >>>> students > >>>> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group > >>>> activities > >>>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also > >>>> saw > >>>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we > >>>> were > >>>> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people > >>>> talk," > >>>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often > >>>> led > >>>> to self-awareness and confidence building. > >>>> > >>>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our > >>>> skills > >>>> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we > >>>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid > >>>> by > >>>> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and > >>>> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students > >>>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were > >>>> responsible > >>>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We > >>>> had > >>>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so > >>>> they > >>>> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us > >>>> at > >>>> a > >>>> distance while we were in the environment. > >>>> > >>>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the > >>>> end > >>>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They > >>>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an > >>>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. > >>>> They > >>>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training > >>>> center > >>>> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in > >>>> a > >>>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, > >>>> but > >>>> it > >>>> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the > >>>> dining > >>>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and > >>>> navigate > >>>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or > >>>> counter-clockwise direction. > >>>> > >>>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but > >>>> it > >>>> is not the very best option available. > >>>> > >>>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. > >>>> > >>>> Justin > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Justin M. Salisbury > >>>> Undergraduate Student > >>>> The University Honors Program > >>>> East Carolina University > >>>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu > >>>> > >>>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can > >>>> change > >>>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Chris Nusbaum > >>> > >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator > >>> > >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > >>> > >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > >>> > >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 18 > >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:58:53 -0400 > >>> From: chris nusbaum > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award > >>> Message-ID: > >>> > >>> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >>> > >>> Hi Beth, > >>> > >>> Amen to that! I'm going to try on my PC, as the site was a little > >>> weird with my BrailleNote, so it may be better with JAWS. I have > >>> recently finished reading Thunder Dog (my friend picked a copy up for > >>> me at national convention, as I wasn't there... what a bad > >>> Federationist I am, *smiles) and it's a wonderfull story. You'll love > >>> it! Enjoy the book! > >>> > >>> Chris > >>> > >>> P.S. Does anybody know when the deadline for voting for Roselle is? > >>> Did Mike mention this in one of his emails, and I just didn't pay > >>> attention? > >>> > >>> On 8/14/11, Beth wrote: > >>>> Hi, guys. > >>>> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear > >>>> of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for > >>>> her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys > >>>> have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog > >>>> myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I > >>>> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been > >>>> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've > >>>> heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in > >>>> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all > >>>> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. > >>>> Thanks. > >>>> Beth > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Chris Nusbaum > >>> > >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator > >>> > >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > >>> > >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > >>> > >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 19 > >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:49:13 -0400 > >>> From: chris nusbaum > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on > >>> the move and a corrected link > >>> Message-ID: > >>> > >>> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >>> > >>> Hi Gabe, > >>> > >>> Just FYI, you don't need to send emails to the NABS list if they come > >>> across as posted to the NFBnet-members list. When Dave Andrews posts > >>> something to the NFBnet-members or NFBnet-master lists, it goes to > >>> everybody who's on any NFBnet lists. This reduces Inbox clutter for > >>> people who are on multiple lists, as a message is sent to one list, > >>> then forwarded to another list on the same server as the first, then > >>> another, and another... well, you see what I mean. The other lists you > >>> posted it to hadn't seen the message before you sent it, though, > >>> because they're on different servers. Just letting you know! > >>> > >>> Chris > >>> > >>> On 8/13/11, Gabe Cazares wrote: > >>>> FYI > >>>> > >>>> ...Gabe > >>>> > >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >>>> From: David Andrews > >>>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 > >>>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a > >>>> corrected > >>>> link > >>>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Hello, > >>>>> > >>>>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, > >>>>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at > >>>>> Ground > >>>>>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world > >>>>> about > >>>>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to > >>>>>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. > >>>>> > >>>>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has > >>>>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers > >>>>>list > >>>>>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and > >>>>> book > >>>>>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have > >>>>> purchased > >>>>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one > >>>>> please > >>>>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All > >>>>> copies > >>>>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. > >>>>> > >>>>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. > >>>>> If > >>>>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life > >>>>>lessons around > >>>>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at > >>>>> bookstores. > >>>>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and > >>>>>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful > >>>>>to > >>>>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before > >>>>>Roselle > >>>>>passed on June 26, 2011. > >>>>> > >>>>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that > >>>>>"Thunder > >>>>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. > >>>>> The > >>>>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at > >>>>>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a > >>>>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind > >>>>> convention > >>>>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. > >>>>> > >>>>>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated > >>>>> as > >>>>> a > >>>>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American > >>>>>Humane > >>>>>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the > >>>>>eight > >>>>>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a > >>>>> problem. > >>>>>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time > >>>>> and > >>>>>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. > >>>>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you > >>>>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for > >>>>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her > >>>>>Alma Mater. > >>>>> > >>>>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As > >>>>>always, > >>>>> if > >>>>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always > >>>>> looking > >>>>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and > >>>>>contact > >>>>>information. I hope all is well with you. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Best, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>Mike Hingson > >>>>> > >>>>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. > >>>>> "Speaking with Vision" > >>>>>Michael Hingson, President > >>>>>(415) 827-4084 > >>>>>info at michaelhingson.com > >>>>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael > >>>>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: > >>>>>www.michaelhingson.com > >>>>> > >>>>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year > >>>>>at > >>>>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 > >>>>> > >>>>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: > >>>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Nfbnet-members-list mailing list > >>>> Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Gabriel M. Cazares, > >>>> 2nd Vice President > >>>> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS > >>>> (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) > >>>> www.nfbtx.org/tabs > >>>> Phone: 713-581-0619 > >>>> "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest > >>>> willing to let them." > >>>> -Robert Frost > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Chris Nusbaum > >>> > >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator > >>> > >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > >>> > >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > >>> > >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Message: 20 > >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:25:30 -0400 > >>> From: Patrick Molloy > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod > >>> Message-ID: > >>> > >>> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >>> > >>> Hello everyone: > >>> I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds > >>> are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something > >>> to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more > >>> accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days? > >>> (I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't > >>> compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be > >>> appreciated. > >>> Thanks, > >>> Patrick Molloy > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> > >>> > >>> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 > >>> ************************************** > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Chris Nusbaum > >> > >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator > >> > >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! > >> > >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! > >> > >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 06:35:39 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:35:39 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] tarting metro Message-ID: <4e4e0460.502be70a.0cab.3d5b@mx.google.com> Hey, guys. I just wanted to let all of you know that I'm actually starting college next week! Monday, August 22, 2011, I will be starting school! Im really happy about the idea of completing the degree I desperately neeed to complete. Carly, thanks for all the reassurance. Beth From carlymih at earthlink.net Fri Aug 19 11:16:55 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 04:16:55 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] tarting metro In-Reply-To: <4e4e0460.502be70a.0cab.3d5b@mx.google.com> References: <4e4e0460.502be70a.0cab.3d5b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110819041548.01d0f5a8@earthlink.net> Good morning, Beth, The 22nd is also my first day of class. Good luck, Beth! for today, Car >Hey, guys. I just wanted to let all of you know that I'm actually >starting college next week! Monday, August 22, 2011, I will be >starting school! Im really happy about the idea of completing the >degree I desperately neeed to complete. >Carly, thanks for all the reassurance. >Beth > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 11:53:27 2011 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 07:53:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Technology questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4e4e4ee3.41cce00a.6802.7240@mx.google.com> I have Verizon too. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Young Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Technology questions Hello, I also have Verizon which to my knowledge there is the Samson Haven which is fairly accessible from what I noticed. I have one myself and have been impressed with it. There is also the new IPhone which in inquiring from a friend who is blind and told me its hard at first, but once you get use to it it is great. As for JAWS I don't know of any special licenses, but last I knew it cost about $800 or so. Justin On 8/18/11, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > > > Hi, Adriana, > > Depends on where you live. I suggest Verizon to > which II may be partial since that is the company > to which I personally, subscribe. > > Someone else ought to chime in about JAWS. > > Where are you from, Adriana? > for today, > Car At 01:31 PM 8/18/2011, you wrote: >>Hi all, >> >>I just arrived at the US 10 days ago, and I'm about to start my >>master's degree at UF. >>I just have some questions and I hope you guys could help me solve them. >>I'm trying to get a movile phone number: Which movile company do you >>suggest me to choose? And which do you think is the best option for a >>blind person in terms of movile phones? >> >>I also would like to know more about the way you acquire jaws licence >>here in the US. Is it possible for blind people to get a full licence >>at a lower cost? >> >>I really thank you for the information you could provide! >> >>-- >>Adriana Pulido >>Filóloga en Inglés y músico de la Universidad >>Nacional de Colombia. Becaria Fulbright para Maestría. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthli nk.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai l.com From frandi.galindo at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 12:10:32 2011 From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com (frandi.galindo at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 08:10:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Technology questions In-Reply-To: <4e4e4ee3.41cce00a.6802.7240@mx.google.com> References: <4e4e4ee3.41cce00a.6802.7240@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1DAA0175BF5E46A8BB0779C1441E3EF6@OwnerPC> I believe I missed the beginning of this conversation, but I think I have the jist of it. I also have Verizon and I am currently using the iPhone. It is a bit complicated at first, but the more you use it, the easier it gets. Plus it has many many great apps for either free, or cheap. The most I spent on an app was 50 dollars and it happened to be a GPS app called Navigon. Jaws can be pirated on line, but I would advice against it. I saw the haven, and I wasn't to impressed with it. I have to give Verizon props however for coming out with a phone that is mostly acceseble. I would have got that phone if the voice was crystle clear, if the reaction betwene the press of a key and the actual execution of the command of said key, and if the rate of speech could be adjusted. There are some windows phones that use mobile speak, and talks but I am not sure if they even make them any more. -----Original Message----- From: Rania Ismail CMT Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 7:53 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Technology questions I have Verizon too. Rania, -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Young Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Technology questions Hello, I also have Verizon which to my knowledge there is the Samson Haven which is fairly accessible from what I noticed. I have one myself and have been impressed with it. There is also the new IPhone which in inquiring from a friend who is blind and told me its hard at first, but once you get use to it it is great. As for JAWS I don't know of any special licenses, but last I knew it cost about $800 or so. Justin On 8/18/11, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > > > Hi, Adriana, > > Depends on where you live. I suggest Verizon to > which II may be partial since that is the company > to which I personally, subscribe. > > Someone else ought to chime in about JAWS. > > Where are you from, Adriana? > for today, > Car At 01:31 PM 8/18/2011, you wrote: >>Hi all, >> >>I just arrived at the US 10 days ago, and I'm about to start my >>master's degree at UF. >>I just have some questions and I hope you guys could help me solve them. >>I'm trying to get a movile phone number: Which movile company do you >>suggest me to choose? And which do you think is the best option for a >>blind person in terms of movile phones? >> >>I also would like to know more about the way you acquire jaws licence >>here in the US. Is it possible for blind people to get a full licence >>at a lower cost? >> >>I really thank you for the information you could provide! >> >>-- >>Adriana Pulido >>Filóloga en Inglés y músico de la Universidad >>Nacional de Colombia. Becaria Fulbright para Maestría. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthli nk.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 12:33:22 2011 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 08:33:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] tarting metro In-Reply-To: <4e4e0460.502be70a.0cab.3d5b@mx.google.com> References: <4e4e0460.502be70a.0cab.3d5b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Congrats Beth and all who are starting classes next week. One more week and it's back to the books for me. -----Original Message----- From: Beth Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 2:35 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] tarting metro Hey, guys. I just wanted to let all of you know that I'm actually starting college next week! Monday, August 22, 2011, I will be starting school! Im really happy about the idea of completing the degree I desperately neeed to complete. Carly, thanks for all the reassurance. Beth _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com Anjelina From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 14:19:25 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 07:19:25 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] has anyone checked out the new Skype 5.5 and the Facebook feature? Message-ID: <4e4e6334.4413440a.6808.ffffdf32@mx.google.com> Hey. Has anybody checked out the new Skype 5.5 and its new "facebook" tab? I am not sure how it works and how to connect my Facebook to my Skype. For once I want to have my Facebook contacts in my Skype without a fuss. Any help would be appreciated. Beth From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Fri Aug 19 15:48:50 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:48:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness, Loss, and Therapy References: Message-ID: <000f01cc5e87$7f161010$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Arielle and everyone, The answer can be found in Dr. Jernigan's Article "Blindness: Concepts and Misconceptions." While he acknowledges that some blind individuals with issues unrelated to their blindness would benefit from such services providers should only be sought if and when needed. having such individuals on staff at a training center is a big no-no! Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:03 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness, Loss, and Therapy Hi Ashley and all, Yes, the traditional loss models do resonate with many people's initial experiences with blindness, and they aren't totally defeatist-they do allow for the blind person to eventually come to acceptance over time. The major problem with them is the notion that people won't be able to succeed in rehabilitation until they've spent some time wallowing in depression. Deliberately waiting to offer rehabilitation training until the individual has been blind and depressed for a while carries the obvious risk of making the depression and sense of helplessness worse. I think the discussion here brings up an interesting question: Should training centers for the blind provide counseling or psychotherapy either as an optional service, or as a required part of the curriculum. I'm not sure of the best answer to that. Certainly many students at centers would benefit from counseling-about blindness issues or unrelated problems-but should everyone be presumed to need counseling? Is having a counselor or psychologist on the center staff a good idea or does it promote the notion that blind people all need therapy? I'd be curious to hear your opinions on this. Just as an aside, the summer camp for the blind I mentioned earlier did have weekly group counseling as part of its programming. Personally, I thought it was totally bogus, and in retrospect I realize that was probably because we rarely discussed blindness or other related experiences in the group. Sometimes we did discuss common experiences and challenges with adolescence, but because we were all so different, I didn't really feel like I was sharing meaningful ideas with my peers about common issues. I probably derived more therapeutic benefit from commiserating about blindness-related issues with blind friends in late-night phone calls than I did in the group. It also seemed a bit weird to be in group therapy generally. But, perhaps if done right this kind of peer support group could offer some benefit. Arielle On 8/16/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Arielle, > I'd like to read a little of his book even though I won't agree with Mr. > Carroll. > No, probably not all of it, but a little to hear straight from the source. > Good post that seemed objective. I, too, have heard theories on adjustment > to blindness. > Yes such a loss theory does oversimplify the situation. But to me it makes > some sense; although you are right that someone may get over the denial > and > depression if their family is supportive and encourages them to move on > and > get blindness skills. > People cope with losses differently and as with any loss your environment > and personal attitude helps you overcome such a loss. > > I've certainly met people going through vision loss and yes they are > depressed a little bit. Imagine losing vision and knowing you will have to > give up your driver's license? > Can you imagine reading the paper or browsing magazines and then no longer > being able to read the paper at breakfast or browse the news stand and > magazine stand? > These are two big losses for someone who had full vision or enough vision > to > function in a sighted manner. > Yes we can get around; but public transit has a lot to be desired; and if > you want to go out on weekends, well most buses do not run on weekends. > Heck > most buses stop running at mid evening. > American society really does not make public transit a priority! We as a > society favor the driver; so giving up those car keys is a huge loss. > Then there is reading. Most books are not produced in alternative format; > most newspapers are not accessible either. > As someone who was legally blind for their life, I > am used to these constraints. I never browsed the clothes rack or the news > stand; I never picked up the local Journal or Gazette and read it. > So for me, its life, nothing I've missed. But if you have RP and read or > drove 20 years, I can understand that it’s a loss. Can you adapt and go on > with life? > Of course you can. But I can see why the loss is a prevalent theory. I > know > people who are going through vision loss due to RP or something and its > hard. Even if they embrace learning new skills, its harder. For instance, > some of them lack the finger sensativity to feel the braille dots; they > can > read slowly or they cannot read at all. > > Anyway, the staff at Carroll seemed up beat and nice. They gave the youth > age appropriate experiences and an introduction to blindness sports and > daily living. > No one implied blindness was a bad thing to us students. I guess some > staff > members still hold that loss theory in their heads though; they certainly > did not show it. > Father Carroll founded it and died a long time ago. I'm not > sure how much the center is the same now. There is certainly new staff and > probably new ideas in the current center. > No it its not NFB philosophy. Just saying they might have a more positive > attitude and higher expectations than the founder did. > > Okay, I'll go get the book this week. Can't read all of it; I might get > depressed. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 10:43 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness a dying? > > Hi all, > Interesting. I didn't realize the founder of the Carroll Center was > the same guy who wrote "Blindness: What it Is, What it Does and How to > Live with It". I haven't actually read the book myself, but I have > read other articles who have cited it, and in fact I read up quite a > bit on Carroll's philosophy as part of a grant proposal I recently > wrote. > Fr. Carroll was one of several blindness rehab scholars in the 1960's > and 1970's who advocated a "loss model" explaining how people adjust > to blindness. These loss models postulate that losing one's eyesight > is a lot like experiencing the death of a loved one and that people > cope with it in similar fashion by going through various stages of > grief, like denial, depression, anger and despair, before they > eventually come to accept the loss and move forward. My understanding > is that loss-model advocates generally believed people who lose their > sight are not "ready" to begin getting training in alternative > techniques until they have had time to process their sadness and > grief. What is so unfortunate about these kinds of theories is that > they imply everyone reacts to blindness in the same way, and that > these negative emotional reactions are inevitable and will happen > regardless of what rehab professionals or others (like family members, > spouses, etc.) do. Luckily, more recently scholars in the field have > noticed that not everyone who becomes blind experiences depression or > grief and that some people actually do quite well with early training > in alternative skills. Scholars have also begun to understand that the > reactions of the important people in a blind person's life can play a > huge role in determining how that blind person copes and that much of > the depression, frustration, etc. that come from blindness actually > come from other people's negative reactions, as well as the temporary > sense of incompetence that comes from not knowing alternative skills. > The problem with theories like Carroll's, I think, is that they assume > blindness affects everyone equally. Of course many of us who lose > vision experience temporary depression and grief, and of course even > those of us who have been blind our whole lives have times when we > hate blindness. But clearly not everyone reacts in the same way or > finds their lives dominated by these negative feelings. It's similar > to research we often see showing how blind children on average are > deficient or delayed in all kinds of developmental areas. This may be > true on average, but it's not true for all blind kids. These kinds of > conclusions that focus on blind people as a group may be accurate, but > they're oversimplified. They fail to account for all the factors that > allow some of us to end up better-adjusted than others. What > distinguishes newly blind folks who get depressed from those who > don't? What separates blind kids who start crawling or walking on time > from those who don't? These kinds of questions, I think, are rarely > asked, but they're much more important than the questions that lump > all blind people together, because they show us what controllable > factors make real differences in our lives. If we don't ask these > kinds of questions, we end up concluding that blindness is a kind of > equal-opportunity buzzkill that will leave all of us maladjusted and > unproductive regardless of what we do. And that's depressing! > Arielle > > On 8/16/11, chris nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Justin, >> >> Don't hold your breath for having a Federationist take over the >> Carroll Center! Well, it may happen, but I don't see it happening >> soon, as they've worked very closely with the AFB (I think) and a lot >> of them still believe in what FR Carroll did. >> >> Chris >> >> On 8/16/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Hello Justin and everyone, >>> >>> You can read all about FR. Carroll's belief about blindness being a >>> "Dying" in his book "Blindness: What it is, What it does,and How to Live >>> With It." You should be able to get the book from NLS, Learning Allie, >>> or >>> Bookshare.org. I read it in the late 1970s and became totally depressed >>> after reading three chapters of it. Dr. Jernigan quoted from it in his >>> address: "Blindness Handicap or Characteristic." >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:42 AM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> >>> >>> I just want to summarize my view on the Carroll Center: >>> >>> If it's the only opportunity you have to get some skills that you don't >>> already have, it can benefit you. If you have the opportunity to attend >>> an >>> NFB training center (or BISM, which Amy Phelps runs with an NFB >>> philosophy), >>> choose it over the Carroll Center 100 out of 100 times. >>> >>> I've never heard the "dying" thing about Father Carroll, but it does not >>> surprise me. I would love to get a good Federationist to take over the >>> management of the Carroll Center. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> Justin M. Salisbury >>> Undergraduate Student >>> The University Honors Program >>> East Carolina University >>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> >>> “Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> the world; indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.” —MARGARET MEAD >>> >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of >>> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org [nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org] >>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:00 PM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 >>> >>> Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (David Dunphy) >>> 2. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (Justin Young) >>> 3. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Kirt Manwaring) >>> 4. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Heather Field) >>> 5. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >>> 6. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (chris nusbaum) >>> 7. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) >>> 8. announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: new email >>> address for the business (chris nusbaum) >>> 9. The Carroll Center for the Blind (Salisbury, Justin Mark) >>> 10. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (David Dodge) >>> 11. Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >>> corrected link (Gabe Cazares) >>> 12. AMerican Hero Dog Award (Beth) >>> 13. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (Peter Donahue) >>> 14. sending a message to all Gmail contacts? (chris nusbaum) >>> 15. Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier >>> (chris nusbaum) >>> 16. Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. >>> (chris nusbaum) >>> 17. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (chris nusbaum) >>> 18. Re: AMerican Hero Dog Award (chris nusbaum) >>> 19. Re: Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move >>> and a corrected link (chris nusbaum) >>> 20. accessible iPod (Patrick Molloy) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:11:26 -0400 >>> From: David Dunphy >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi Everybody! >>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >>> nabslinkaudio.org. >>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >>> spam, etc. >>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >>> to a new provider. >>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >>> online again. >>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >>> said messages and no one else >>> and >>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >>> validated by the owner >>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >>> once you see it! >>> If you have any questions, please email me at >>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >>> Thank you. >>> >From David >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:29:42 -0400 >>> From: Justin Young >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> No problem. I did three different programs. In the Summer of 2006 I >>> did the Youth In Transition(YIT) program which is heavily focused upon >>> daily living skills. There were classes from 8:45-3pm Mon-Fri. Then >>> there was activities that you did clubs and stuff like that. Some >>> were fun and some not really. You have the opportunity to do fencing, >>> and other evening activities. Some of the evening ones were more >>> arts/crafts style if I recall. Its hard to say with the >>> extracurriculars cuz they changed ever year. The ones whichwere the >>> same were Fencing, Sailing, shopping and others which I forget. The >>> next Summer I did the Real World of Work Experience Program(RWWE) >>> which was 5 weeks where the first week is doing the classes to make >>> sure you can do all of it because like laundry you had to wait until >>> after classes were over or on weekends as well. Once you begin >>> working its great I must say. When I did it they selected a place for >>> you and you were on the job site for Mon, Wed, Fri and Tues & Thu you >>> went on Field Trips. Oh yes I forgot about those we went on those as >>> well in YIT. They were to fun places, movies, golfing & stuff like >>> that. For the RWWE program though on Thursdays we went on Work >>> related field trips. Like once we went to the State House in Boston >>> and tried to go to Cape Cod, but the van I was in broke down so >>> couldn't do that one. There were still the activities in the >>> afternoon and evening. I didn't really do the ones in the afternoon >>> because I got back from work to late always. I worked at the Newton >>> Welseley Hospital in the Receiving Department which was fun after I >>> got a hand of what I was doing, the layout of the place and confidence >>> that I could do it all. I delivered to depts mainly. For my Final >>> Summer I and 4 others were involved in the pilot program of Transition >>> To College(TTC) in the Summer of 2008. This program was 4 weeks where >>> we did 2 at the Carroll Center like the YIT program and 2 at Boston >>> College. The 2 weeks of the classes is to ensure we could do it while >>> at BC. There was also a 2 week period before the program started for >>> all in the program to do the Computing to College which is a computer >>> program based in the Technology Center at the Carroll Center. I >>> couldn't do this portion because I was finishing High School. While >>> at BC we attended various seminars during the day and after I think >>> 3pm it was we were free to do whatever we liked. We stayed in a dorm >>> which was a suite style and had a supervisor in one of the 5 rooms >>> with us. We were given each day $15 for food and had to give the >>> supervisor all receipts of what we spent. We definitely got our >>> exercise because our dorm was about a mile from the Education Building >>> where our seminars took place. We went on a field trip or two I don't >>> remember. I remember we went to either Boston University or one of >>> the UMass schools. I and a few of the others in the program took the >>> train to go places once or twice and a coffee shop was right on the >>> edge of the college and not far from our dorm. So, I went there >>> sometimes. >>> >>> It was a great three years full of making friends. The cons you >>> asked? Hmm, well it really depends upon how you look at which program >>> you are in. I would say that sometimes you were forced to do things >>> you didn't really want to do which is why I really liked the BC >>> living. I hope this helps you. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> On 8/13/11, David Dodge wrote: >>>> Justin, >>>> Thanks for your e-mail. Clearly, you have a great deal of experience >>>> with >>>> the center. Can you tell me about the program you were in, what you >>>> learned, >>>> and how it helped you? Were there any cons to the center? Thanks so >>>> much. >>>> >>>> David >>>> ---------------------------------- >>>> David Dodge >>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>>> English Major >>>> University at Buffalo >>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Justin Young >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi David, >>>>> >>>>> I have experience with this center since I spent 3 consecutive summers >>>>> at the Corroll Center. I would be happy to answer any questions you >>>>> may have. >>>>> >>>>> Justin Young >>>>> >>>>> On 8/12/11, David Dodge wrote: >>>>> > Hello Everyone, >>>>> > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the >>>>> > Blind >>>>> in >>>>> > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>>>> center? >>>>> > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >>>>> > >>>>> > David >>>>> > ---------------------------------- >>>>> > David Dodge >>>>> > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>>> > State University of New York Student Assembly >>>>> > English Major >>>>> > University at Buffalo >>>>> > 306 Clemens Hall >>>>> > Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>>> > daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> > for >>>>> > nabs-l: >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:52:23 -0600 >>> From: Kirt Manwaring >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> Peter, >>> I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time >>> using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their >>> own, I guess. >>> Warmly, >>> Kirt >>> >>> On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> Hello Joseph and everyone, >>>> >>>> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. >>>> It >>>> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access >>>> for >>>> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in >>>> helping >>>> to >>>> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio >>>> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or >>>> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: >>>> http://www.blio.com >>>> >>>> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a >>>> great >>>> product. Now to add more books to our collection. >>>> >>>> Peter Donahue >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be >>>> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works >>>> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* >>>> >>>> Joseph - kf7qzc >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>>>>Listers, >>>>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>Jan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is >>>>>free. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>Behalf >>>>> >>>>>Of Anjelina >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >>>>> >>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>>>>from >>>>> >>>>>paying the annual fee. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>>From: Marsha Drenth >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >>>>> >>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >>>>> >>>>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to >>>>>use >>>>> >>>>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >>>>> >>>>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't >>>>>use >>>>> >>>>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly >>>>>I >>>>> >>>>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie >>>>>books. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>>signature >>>>> >>>>>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >>>>> >>>>>com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Anjelina >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>>>> >>>>>l.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:27:44 -0500 >>> From: "Heather Field" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> Hi Kurt, >>> I downloaded Kindle for PC and then bought an ebook with speech enabled. >>> However, I believe I still need an accessibility plugin or some such >>> add-on >>> to make it fully accessible. As you're having great success with using >>> Kindle, can you please advise me as to what I need to do so I can read >>> my >>> ebook. >>> >>> Thanks so much. >>> Heather >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kirt Manwaring >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:52 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers >>> >>> Peter, >>> I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time >>> using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their >>> own, I guess. >>> Warmly, >>> Kirt >>> >>> On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> Hello Joseph and everyone, >>>> >>>> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. >>>> It >>>> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access >>>> for >>>> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in >>>> helping >>>> to >>>> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio >>>> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or >>>> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting: >>>> http://www.blio.com >>>> >>>> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a >>>> great >>>> product. Now to add more books to our collection. >>>> >>>> Peter Donahue >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "T. Joseph Carter" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>> >>>> >>>> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be >>>> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works >>>> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin* >>>> >>>> Joseph - kf7qzc >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote: >>>>>Listers, >>>>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle? >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>Jan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Rania Ismail CMT >>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is >>>>>free. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>Behalf >>>>> >>>>>Of Anjelina >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM >>>>> >>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt >>>>>from >>>>> >>>>>paying the annual fee. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>> >>>>>From: Marsha Drenth >>>>> >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM >>>>> >>>>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around >>>>> >>>>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to >>>>>use >>>>> >>>>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been >>>>> >>>>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't >>>>>use >>>>> >>>>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly >>>>>I >>>>> >>>>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie >>>>>books. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>>signature >>>>> >>>>>database 6364 (20110809) __________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail. >>>>> >>>>>com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Anjelina >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmai >>>>> >>>>>l.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jandart2%40aol.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carter.tjoseph%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/missheather%40comcast.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:49:43 -0400 >>> From: >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> Message-ID: <1DD7E36205204D098FAF6758FBF60CAC at OwnerPC> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David Dunphy >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> >>> Hi Everybody! >>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >>> nabslinkaudio.org. >>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >>> spam, etc. >>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >>> to a new provider. >>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >>> online again. >>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >>> said messages and no one else >>> and >>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >>> validated by the owner >>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >>> once you see it! >>> If you have any questions, please email me at >>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >>> Thank you. >>> >From David >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:09:38 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> Technical problems, technical problems! First, nabslinkaudio.org's Web >>> hosting service motherboard fried, and I just got an email saying that >>> AAR will be temporarily offline! Wow! I completely understand. Thanks >>> for the update, and I look forward to listening to the meeting! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 8/13/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>>> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: David Dunphy >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read >>>> >>>> Hi Everybody! >>>> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the >>>> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it >>>> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting >>>> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some >>>> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but >>>> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I >>>> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye >>>> nabslinkaudio.org. >>>> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting >>>> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and >>>> spam, etc. >>>> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the >>>> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch >>>> to a new provider. >>>> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you >>>> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable. >>>> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back >>>> online again. >>>> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet >>>> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect >>>> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement >>>> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already >>>> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will: >>>> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their >>>> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get >>>> said messages and no one else >>>> and >>>> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a >>>> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be >>>> validated by the owner >>>> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense >>>> once you see it! >>>> If you have any questions, please email me at >>>> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com >>>> Thank you. >>>> >From David >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 7 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:00:54 -0400 >>> From: >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>> Message-ID: <94D3A84AC9CB48E483A5C87D966FF189 at OwnerPC> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> David, >>> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation >>> adult >>> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational >>> transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have >>> a >>> short summer experience to comment on. >>> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult >>> program >>> because I am thinking of going back for training. >>> >>> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. >>> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now >>> it?s >>> a >>> shorter program since they have a new program called >>> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the >>> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I >>> known >>> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE >>> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The >>> teens >>> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. >>> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I >>> was >>> friends with the RWWE students though. >>> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of >>> field >>> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and >>> RWWE >>> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. >>> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each >>> other >>> since there was some overlap in experience. >>> >>> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living >>> skills. >>> Its like the youth version of the rehab program. >>> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. >>> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students >>> had >>> club activities and in the evening >>> there were more activities and some of them were off campus. >>> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class >>> period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra >>> curriculars >>> and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already knew. I >>> wonder >>> if the adult program is more individualized with a good evaluation of >>> skills before you learn skills in class. >>> >>> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, >>> and >>> information technology. In communication some students learned braille >>> but >>> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to >>> erase >>> a >>> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. >>> In >>> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on >>> cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and >>> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found >>> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained >>> things. >>> There was another student in my class. We made >>> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We >>> had >>> a >>> lesson on putting on lipstick too. >>> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and >>> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. >>> >>> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing >>> and >>> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the >>> bus. >>> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to >>> Newton >>> center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I >>> had >>> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. >>> >>> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was >>> ten >>> years ago! >>> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay >>> objects and painted them. >>> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or >>> goal >>> ball. >>> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to >>> swim, >>> but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping >>> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. >>> >>> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually >>> fun. >>> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where >>> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and >>> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us >>> to >>> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and >>> museums. >>> >>> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one >>> student >>> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision >>> impaired. >>> >>> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David Dodge >>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>> >>> Hello Everyone, >>> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind >>> in >>> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>> center? >>> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >>> >>> David >>> ---------------------------------- >>> David Dodge >>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 8 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:28:47 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> , Blind Talk Mailing List >>> , >>> "g List\" , \"nfbmd\" , >>> \"nabs\" , \"maryland-l\" , >>> \"Ross >>> Hammond\" , \"alena roberts\"" >>> >>> Cc: Ariana Lipka , ariannas.art at gmail.com >>> Subject: [nabs-l] announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: >>> new email address for the business >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I'd like to let everyone know of a new and exciting change in our >>> painting business for the blind and sighted, Arianna's Art, Inc. We've >>> just created an email account where you can send us questions, >>> comments, suggestions, or any other information regarding our >>> business. If you would like to advertise our product by displaying it >>> at your next NFB, ACB, or any other meeting or event, or would like to >>> advertise us in any other way, you can also contact us via this email. >>> Our email address is ariannas.art at gmail.com. We're also trying to >>> create an email list for people who would like to recieve >>> announcements from us. In other words, if you specify that you would >>> like to be added to our email list, we'll add your email address to >>> our contacts list, and whenever we have a new announcement, we'll >>> email it to you. If you'd like to recieve announcements from us, >>> please leave us your name and email address at the above email. The >>> email address once again is ariannas.art at gmail.com. Arianna has two >>> n's and there's no apostrophe before the s. Hope to hear from you >>> soon! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 9 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:57:40 +0000 >>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" >>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> <88680D55F430CF4593F993CADE7B0EDA02284C94 at SN2PRD0102MB127.prod.exchangelabs.com> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >>> >>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >>> with >>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>> >>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >>> all >>> of the other students involved. If only considering the social >>> frontier, >>> I >>> highly recommend it. >>> >>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>> Real >>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>> experience >>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>> that >>> I >>> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, >>> so >>> I >>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >>> use >>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >>> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >>> but >>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >>> I >>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>> the >>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >>> all >>> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >>> visual field and acuity. >>> >>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >>> I >>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>> chosen. >>> >>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >>> confidence >>> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>> devices, >>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >>> we >>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >>> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>> students >>> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >>> activities >>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >>> saw >>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>> were >>> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>> talk," >>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >>> led >>> to self-awareness and confidence building. >>> >>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>> skills >>> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >>> by >>> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>> responsible >>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>> had >>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >>> they >>> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us >>> at >>> a >>> distance while we were in the environment. >>> >>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >>> end >>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >>> They >>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>> center >>> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >>> a >>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >>> but >>> it >>> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>> dining >>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >>> navigate >>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>> counter-clockwise direction. >>> >>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >>> it >>> is not the very best option available. >>> >>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> >>> Justin M. Salisbury >>> Undergraduate Student >>> The University Honors Program >>> East Carolina University >>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> >>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 10 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:03:06 -0400 >>> From: David Dodge >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> Thanks so much. He is doing the Youth in Transition program and is >>> interested in doing some other programs as well. Good to know you had >>> very >>> positive experiences. >>> >>> David >>> ---------------------------------- >>> David Dodge >>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM, wrote: >>> >>>> David, >>>> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation >>>> adult >>>> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational >>>> transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have >>>> a >>>> short summer experience to comment on. >>>> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult >>>> program >>>> because I am thinking of going back for training. >>>> >>>> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program. >>>> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now >>>> it?s >>>> a >>>> shorter program since they have a new program called >>>> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the >>>> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I >>>> known >>>> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE >>>> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The >>>> teens >>>> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs. >>>> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. >>>> I >>>> was friends with the RWWE students though. >>>> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of >>>> field >>>> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and >>>> RWWE >>>> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together. >>>> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each >>>> other >>>> since there was some overlap in experience. >>>> >>>> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living >>>> skills. >>>> Its like the youth version of the rehab program. >>>> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00. >>>> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, >>>> students >>>> had club activities and in the evening >>>> there were more activities and some of them were off campus. >>>> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class >>>> period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra >>>> curriculars and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I >>>> already >>>> knew. I wonder if the adult program is more individualized with a >>>> good >>>> evaluation of skills before you learn skills in class. >>>> >>>> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, >>>> and >>>> information technology. In communication some students learned braille >>>> but >>>> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to >>>> erase >>>> a >>>> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. >>>> In >>>> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on >>>> cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting >>>> and >>>> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but >>>> found >>>> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained >>>> things. >>>> There was another student in my class. We made >>>> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We >>>> had >>>> a >>>> lesson on putting on lipstick too. >>>> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and >>>> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all. >>>> >>>> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing >>>> and >>>> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the >>>> bus. >>>> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to >>>> Newton >>>> center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I >>>> had >>>> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance. >>>> >>>> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It >>>> was >>>> ten years ago! >>>> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay >>>> objects and painted them. >>>> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or >>>> goal >>>> ball. >>>> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to >>>> swim, >>>> but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping >>>> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing. >>>> >>>> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually >>>> fun. >>>> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio >>>> where >>>> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and >>>> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us >>>> to >>>> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and >>>> museums. >>>> >>>> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one >>>> student >>>> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision >>>> impaired. >>>> >>>> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center. >>>> -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge >>>> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind? >>>> >>>> Hello Everyone, >>>> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind >>>> in >>>> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific >>>> center? >>>> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much. >>>> >>>> David >>>> ------------------------------**---- >>>> David Dodge >>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>>> English Major >>>> University at Buffalo >>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>>> daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 11 >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:59:07 -0500 >>> From: Gabe Cazares >>> To: members , tabs_students >>> , nabs-l >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the >>> move and a corrected link >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> FYI >>> >>> ...Gabe >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: David Andrews >>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 >>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >>> corrected >>> link >>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>>> >>>>Hello, >>>> >>>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >>>>Ground >>>>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >>>>about >>>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to >>>>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >>>> >>>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers >>>> list >>>>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >>>>book >>>>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >>>>purchased >>>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one >>>>please >>>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All >>>>copies >>>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >>>> >>>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. >>>>If >>>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>>>lessons around >>>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at >>>>bookstores. >>>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and >>>>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful >>>>to >>>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before >>>> Roselle >>>>passed on June 26, 2011. >>>> >>>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that >>>>"Thunder >>>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >>>>The >>>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>>>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind >>>>convention >>>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >>>> >>>>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated >>>>as >>>>a >>>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American >>>>Humane >>>>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the >>>> eight >>>>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >>>>problem. >>>>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time >>>>and >>>>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her >>>>Alma Mater. >>>> >>>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As >>>>always, >>>>if >>>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >>>>looking >>>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and >>>>contact >>>>information. I hope all is well with you. >>>> >>>> >>>>Best, >>>> >>>> >>>>Mike Hingson >>>> >>>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >>>> "Speaking with Vision" >>>>Michael Hingson, President >>>>(415) 827-4084 >>>>info at michaelhingson.com >>>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>>>www.michaelhingson.com >>>> >>>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year >>>>at >>>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >>>> >>>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Nfbnet-members-list mailing list >>> Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Gabriel M. Cazares, >>> 2nd Vice President >>> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS >>> (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) >>> www.nfbtx.org/tabs >>> Phone: 713-581-0619 >>> "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest >>> willing to let them." >>> -Robert Frost >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 12 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:57:26 -0600 >>> From: Beth >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award >>> Message-ID: <4e47aa32.87cee70a.3a4e.ffffa021 at mx.google.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed >>> >>> Hi, guys. >>> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear >>> of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for >>> her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys >>> have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog >>> myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I >>> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been >>> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've >>> heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in >>> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all >>> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. >>> Thanks. >>> Beth >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 13 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:08:02 -0500 >>> From: "Peter Donahue" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> Message-ID: <003501cc5a7a$d1596b30$9e010b43 at yourfsyly0jtwn> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" >>> >>> Hello Justin and everyone, >>> >>> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll >>> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >>> saw >>> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >>> What >>> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>> "Dying." >>> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>> need >>> once and it will last you a life time. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>> To: >>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> >>> >>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >>> with >>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>> >>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with >>> all >>> of the other students involved. If only considering the social >>> frontier, >>> I >>> highly recommend it. >>> >>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>> Real >>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>> experience >>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>> that >>> I >>> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, >>> so >>> I >>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >>> use >>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M >>> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >>> but >>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >>> I >>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>> the >>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn >>> all >>> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable >>> visual field and acuity. >>> >>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before >>> I >>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>> chosen. >>> >>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >>> confidence >>> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>> devices, >>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >>> we >>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >>> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>> students >>> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >>> activities >>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >>> saw >>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>> were >>> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>> talk," >>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >>> led >>> to self-awareness and confidence building. >>> >>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>> skills >>> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >>> by >>> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students >>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>> responsible >>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>> had >>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >>> they >>> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us >>> at >>> a >>> distance while we were in the environment. >>> >>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the >>> end >>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They >>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >>> They >>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>> center >>> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in >>> a >>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >>> but >>> it >>> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>> dining >>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >>> navigate >>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>> counter-clockwise direction. >>> >>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but >>> it >>> is not the very best option available. >>> >>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> >>> Justin M. Salisbury >>> Undergraduate Student >>> The University Honors Program >>> East Carolina University >>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>> >>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>> change >>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 14 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:32:38 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] sending a message to all Gmail contacts? >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I have a question for all Gmail users. Is there a way that I can send >>> a message to all Gmail contacts at the same time? Is there some kind >>> of "send to all" button like there is on my mom's Yahoo account? I'm >>> asking because, as I posted last night, our business (Arianna's Art, >>> Inc.) has created a new Gmail account where people can send us >>> questions, feedback, orders, etc. We'd also like to create a contacts >>> list for our Gmail account, and send out an email to all our contacts >>> when we have a new announcement or a piece of news. So, can I do this >>> in Gmail without Google group? If I can't do this with JAWS in Basic >>> HTML mode, I'll just create a list on Google Groups. But, can I send >>> one message to all contacts? Thanks! >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 15 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:34:34 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Blind Talk Mailing List >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors >>> flier >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" >>> >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:38:39 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier >>> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." >>> >>> >>> *Employment Mentoring Project* >>> >>> *Seeking Professionals Who Are Blind * >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Remember the challenges you faced in finding your first job?? >>> >>> Would you like to help a college student who is also blind begin their >>> career in a profession similar to yours?? >>> >>> We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with >>> mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. >>> >>> *BENEFITS* >>> >>> ?Opportunity to mentor a college student who is blind and is interested >>> in working in your profession >>> >>> ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community >>> >>> *RESPONSIBILITIES* >>> >>> ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after your mentee >>> graduates >>> >>> ?Help your mentee develop career goals and offer opportunities for job >>> shadowing >>> >>> ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month >>> >>> ?Complete online activities monthly >>> >>> ** >>> >>> *ELIGIBILITY* >>> >>> ?Legal blindness >>> >>> ?Currently employed or retired from a professional career >>> >>> ?Has basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility >>> software/hardware needed to access online materials >>> >>> *INTERESTED?* >>> >>> ?*Complete the eligibility survey at >>> *http://tiny.cc/mentor-professionals** >>> >>> ** >>> >>> ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State >>> University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at >>> rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: >>> 1-800-675-7782 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 16 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:37:04 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> , Blind Talk Mailing List >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees >>> flier. >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President" >>> >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:37:29 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier. >>> To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students." >>> >>> >>> *Employment Mentoring Project* >>> >>> *For Students Who Are Legally Blind* >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Is finding a job your next big step after graduation?? >>> >>> Would you like the opportunity to work with a mentor who is also blind >>> and has experience in your profession of interest?? >>> >>> We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with >>> mentors in their career fields will help them find employment. >>> >>> *BENEFITS* >>> >>> ?Potential to work with a career mentor who is blind >>> >>> ?Access to career development resources >>> >>> ?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community >>> >>> *RESPONSIBILITIES* >>> >>> ?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after graduation >>> >>> ?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month >>> >>> ?Complete online activities monthly >>> >>> ** >>> >>> *ELIGIBILITY* >>> >>> ?Undergraduate or graduate student, under age 35, who: >>> >>> oIs legally blind >>> >>> oPlans to graduate within 2-3 semesters after January 2012 >>> >>> oExpects to seek employment after graduation >>> >>> oHas basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility >>> software/hardware needed to access online materials >>> >>> *INTERESTED?* >>> >>> ?*Complete eligibility survey online at >>> *http://tiny.cc/mentor-students** >>> >>> ?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State >>> University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at >>> rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu or toll free: >>> 1-800-675-7782 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 17 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:50:16 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to >>> start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about >>> attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend >>> BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed, >>> from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center >>> next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota, >>> Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought >>> were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each >>> program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences >>> in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely >>> be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm >>> going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into >>> 9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> Hello Justin and everyone, >>>> >>>> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the >>>> Carroll >>>> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and >>>> saw >>>> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. >>>> What >>>> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a >>>> "Dying." >>>> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you >>>> need >>>> once and it will last you a life time. >>>> >>>> Peter Donahue >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind >>>> >>>> >>>> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers >>>> with >>>> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it. >>>> >>>> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an >>>> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience >>>> with >>>> all >>>> of the other students involved. If only considering the social >>>> frontier, >>>> I >>>> highly recommend it. >>>> >>>> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the >>>> Real >>>> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the >>>> experience >>>> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement >>>> that >>>> >>>> I >>>> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, >>>> so >>>> I >>>> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to >>>> use >>>> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my >>>> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything >>>> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during >>>> O&M >>>> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, >>>> but >>>> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. >>>> I >>>> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for >>>> the >>>> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will >>>> learn >>>> all >>>> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a >>>> stable >>>> visual field and acuity. >>>> >>>> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was >>>> before >>>> I >>>> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have >>>> chosen. >>>> >>>> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our >>>> confidence >>>> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do >>>> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision >>>> devices, >>>> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us >>>> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If >>>> we >>>> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest >>>> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called >>>> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other >>>> students >>>> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group >>>> activities >>>> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also >>>> saw >>>> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we >>>> were >>>> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people >>>> talk," >>>> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often >>>> led >>>> to self-awareness and confidence building. >>>> >>>> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our >>>> skills >>>> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we >>>> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid >>>> by >>>> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and >>>> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different >>>> students >>>> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were >>>> responsible >>>> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We >>>> had >>>> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so >>>> they >>>> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us >>>> at >>>> a >>>> distance while we were in the environment. >>>> >>>> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at >>>> the >>>> end >>>> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. >>>> They >>>> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an >>>> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. >>>> They >>>> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training >>>> center >>>> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live >>>> in >>>> a >>>> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, >>>> but >>>> it >>>> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the >>>> dining >>>> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and >>>> navigate >>>> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or >>>> counter-clockwise direction. >>>> >>>> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, >>>> but >>>> it >>>> is not the very best option available. >>>> >>>> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list. >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Justin M. Salisbury >>>> Undergraduate Student >>>> The University Honors Program >>>> East Carolina University >>>> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu >>>> >>>> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can >>>> change >>>> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET >>>> MEAD >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 18 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:58:53 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi Beth, >>> >>> Amen to that! I'm going to try on my PC, as the site was a little >>> weird with my BrailleNote, so it may be better with JAWS. I have >>> recently finished reading Thunder Dog (my friend picked a copy up for >>> me at national convention, as I wasn't there... what a bad >>> Federationist I am, *smiles) and it's a wonderfull story. You'll love >>> it! Enjoy the book! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> P.S. Does anybody know when the deadline for voting for Roselle is? >>> Did Mike mention this in one of his emails, and I just didn't pay >>> attention? >>> >>> On 8/14/11, Beth wrote: >>>> Hi, guys. >>>> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear >>>> of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for >>>> her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys >>>> have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog >>>> myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I >>>> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been >>>> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've >>>> heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in >>>> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all >>>> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one. >>>> Thanks. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 19 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:49:13 -0400 >>> From: chris nusbaum >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on >>> the move and a corrected link >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hi Gabe, >>> >>> Just FYI, you don't need to send emails to the NABS list if they come >>> across as posted to the NFBnet-members list. When Dave Andrews posts >>> something to the NFBnet-members or NFBnet-master lists, it goes to >>> everybody who's on any NFBnet lists. This reduces Inbox clutter for >>> people who are on multiple lists, as a message is sent to one list, >>> then forwarded to another list on the same server as the first, then >>> another, and another... well, you see what I mean. The other lists you >>> posted it to hadn't seen the message before you sent it, though, >>> because they're on different servers. Just letting you know! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> On 8/13/11, Gabe Cazares wrote: >>>> FYI >>>> >>>> ...Gabe >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: David Andrews >>>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500 >>>> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a >>>> corrected >>>> link >>>> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Hello, >>>>> >>>>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book, >>>>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at >>>>> Ground >>>>>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world >>>>> about >>>>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues >>>>>to >>>>>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much. >>>>> >>>>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has >>>>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers >>>>>list >>>>>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and >>>>> book >>>>>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have >>>>> purchased >>>>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one >>>>> please >>>>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All >>>>> copies >>>>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle. >>>>> >>>>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble >>>>>charts. >>>>> If >>>>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life >>>>>lessons around >>>>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at >>>>> bookstores. >>>>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com >>>>>and >>>>>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful >>>>>to >>>>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before >>>>>Roselle >>>>>passed on June 26, 2011. >>>>> >>>>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that >>>>>"Thunder >>>>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. >>>>> The >>>>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at >>>>>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a >>>>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind >>>>> convention >>>>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people. >>>>> >>>>>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated >>>>> as >>>>> a >>>>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American >>>>>Humane >>>>>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the >>>>>eight >>>>>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a >>>>> problem. >>>>>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the >>>>>time >>>>> and >>>>>vote for her at >>>>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458. >>>>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you >>>>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for >>>>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, >>>>>her >>>>>Alma Mater. >>>>> >>>>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As >>>>>always, >>>>> if >>>>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always >>>>> looking >>>>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and >>>>>contact >>>>>information. I hope all is well with you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Best, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Mike Hingson >>>>> >>>>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC. >>>>> "Speaking with Vision" >>>>>Michael Hingson, President >>>>>(415) 827-4084 >>>>>info at michaelhingson.com >>>>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael >>>>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: >>>>>www.michaelhingson.com >>>>> >>>>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year >>>>>at >>>>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458 >>>>> >>>>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit: >>>>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Nfbnet-members-list mailing list >>>> Nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gabriel M. Cazares, >>>> 2nd Vice President >>>> Texas Association of Blind Students - TABS >>>> (A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas) >>>> www.nfbtx.org/tabs >>>> Phone: 713-581-0619 >>>> "The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest >>>> willing to let them." >>>> -Robert Frost >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >>> >>> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >>> >>> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 20 >>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:25:30 -0400 >>> From: Patrick Molloy >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >>> >>> Hello everyone: >>> I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds >>> are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something >>> to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more >>> accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days? >>> (I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't >>> compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be >>> appreciated. >>> Thanks, >>> Patrick Molloy >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> >>> End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 14 >>> ************************************** >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sales and Advertising Coordinator >> >> Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!! >> >> Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind! >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From christine-parsons at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 19 18:14:24 2011 From: christine-parsons at sbcglobal.net (Chris Parsons) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:14:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Student division rebuilding in Missouri -- update and call to students Message-ID: <2532208A98104300A48D1C35FB9B33A2@ChristineTHINK> Hi all, On Saturday, August 13, a small group of students and other interested parties met in St. Louis to take steps toward making Missouri’s student committee into a division again. We held a successful planning meeting in which we discussed several things, including possible fundraising opportunities and plans for a student seminar near the beginning of next year. We’d like to welcome all Missouri students to join us in this effort. If you’re interested in helping out in any way or if you have any questions, you can contact our student committee chair, Shirley Grauel, at sagrauel at swbell.net. We want this division to be a place where students can mentor and network with each other as well as share resources related to various aspects of student life. But most importantly, we want to know what you, the students, want. Let us know what you want to see the Missouri student division doing in the future. This is your division, so it’s up to you. Chris Parsons From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Fri Aug 19 20:18:33 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:18:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness, loss and therapy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As a former sighted person, I thought I'd weigh in on this topic. I was fully sighted for 22 years then loss my vision due to a viral infection compounded by pneumonia. I drove, loved fashion, had managed a clothing store, an avid reader, dancer, had been a theatre/vocal performance major, was raised sighted, lived sighted then pretty quickly lost my vision. It took about a year beginning with just a little haziness to my vision, and at the end of the year, after a procedure that was suppose to restore vision, I lost it all. Eight years later, it has cleared, if you can call it this, to where I can make out shadows, light and some colors, but I'm basically totally blind since I can't use any of this to use my eyes visually. I'm not sure why, and I've come to realize I'm in a minority, but I've never struggled much with losing my vision. It wasn't the greatest thing to happen, but it was not even close to being the worse thing either. I can't even put it in the middle of bad things that can happen. From the beginning, long before I knew about training centers or consumer organizations or philosophies of blindness, I discovered blindness was not a catastrophic event and I was still very capable. I knew I was the same person I'd always been, and I knew I could still do all the same things, I just had to figure out how to do them. My biggest problem, and it still is, has been other people in my life. Once my eye specialist diagnosed blindness, my dad couldn't stop crying, and my mom said I better get back on anti-depressants, which I'd been on and off of for years for an entirely different reason. It was surreal comforting my father since I never cried about it. This isn't to say it has always been easy or wonderful, but my blindness has never struck me deep enough to feel this way. And I remember being angry that my mom automatically assumed blindness would depress me. For eight years, people, mostly sighted, have tried to project feelings and thoughts onto me that are just not true. No matter what I do, what I say, I still have people assume blindness is life-altering and limits you beyond functioning. I don't provide lip service because I've been brain washed or have an agenda, once I received training, my life's been normal. I've actually accomplished more blind than I ever did sighted. Once my doctors cleared my health, I couldn't get into a training center fast enough. I attended the Iowa Department for the Blind, and I went in with an open mind, eager to soak up whatever I had to learn. It was difficult being around students who were resistant to training, or who couldn't "cope" with their blindness. I'm not trying to diminish anyone's feelings and experiences, but blindness is relatively permanent, and instead of wallowing in self-pity and refusing to move forward, why not adopt a positive attitude and learn what is currently available to the blind to live active, productive lives? When I discovered the NFB and studied its foundational philosophy, I thought, finally, others who get it. I'm a complete human being with an emotional landscape- thoughts, feelings, desires, and my entire life is not wrapped up in blindness. During my first national convention, during Dr. Mauer's banquet speech, his theme revolved around the concept that blind people are not broken sighted people. I cried as he spoke because I knew this, felt it, for years. It was comforting to be around people who agreed. Yes, I miss visually seeing at times, and I don't like that we are still fighting for equal rights, and I wish more was accessible to us allowing for the ease most sighted people experience in terms of information, but usually, blindness itself has nothing to do with this other than because people believe sight is so instrumental to doing the most mundane task, they don't consider how simple being blind can be if certain things changed. I miss sight, but not the way I miss my grandma who passed away years ago. It's a different loss, and for me, no way near the magnitude of loss experienced with true death. Left to my own devices, life truly isn't that huge of a challenge. I don't struggle mentally with blindness, nor is it a physical challenge in terms of doing things. I've found alternative techniques equal to using sight most of the time, and should these techniques be recognized as equal to sight and adopted on a large scale, most blind people would have very few, if any, issues. I'm not saying I'm happy to be blind, but I'm not unhappy either. And I don't pretend life is super easy, but again, more than half the time, the difficulty is related to attitudes and perceptions and unwillingness to change that creates the difficulty in blindness. I still make mistakes and I have my own personal limitations, but I don't feel my blindness contributes to intellectual or physical limitations I have. As a person who was once sighted, I don't think much has changed in my life. I enjoy the same things, I do most of the same things- blindness isn't stopping me. I should probably mention I'm also stubborn and rebellious, so when I'm told I can't do something, I more likely to do it. LOL So do I think all blind people require therapy? No. And should training centers provide therapy? No, and if a person feels therapy would be beneficial, it is up to an individual to seek that care out. It's no different than any other medical concern. If you need a doctor, you find one and go to their clinic. The world does not bring you medical help. So why should a training center provide it? As a diabetic, I wouldn't expect an on-staff endocrinologist. People seeking therapy shouldn't be ostracized and made to feel bad for doing so. What's right for me, may not be so for others, but an individual need, or desire, does not mean training centers should invest in a therapist. People need therapy and psychiatric help for many reasons, and if a person believes this would help them deal with blindness, that's okay, and they should seek that help out. I don't think it is necessary for an institution to provide that care though. At the end of the day, it does not contribute to the program. While losing a sense after once having had it, it is a loss to an extent. And there is an adjustment period since you learn to do things in a new way. I understand I'm in a minority with my view when it comes to sighted people becoming blind later in life and how we address this fact, but I didn't find blindness to be as emotionally challenging as some believe, nor did it take me long to adjust to being blind. I'm not the brightest crayon in the box, so if this is possible for me, I know it is possible for various crayons- all shapes, sizes and colors! Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 22:25:18 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:25:18 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: The National Association of Blind Students Presents: Meet the Nabs board! Message-ID: Hello all, My appoligies if you are recieving this a second time. Either way, we hope you can attend, as we would love to meet you! Convention has come and gone, and we all as members of the National Association of Blind Students are ready to start anew. We have no doubt you have questions: who’s on the board this year? What kind of committees can we expect to see? Who on the board will be working with my student division more closely? The national Association of Blind Students (NABS) invites you to our first call of the 2011 – 2012 term! On this call the newly elected nabs board will be on hand to meet with you all and discuss the offices they hold, the regions they serve and the committees they chair. This call will take place on Sunday, August 21, at 7p.m. Eastern/4p.m. Pacific Time. Who: The National Association of Blind Students What: Meet the nabs board. When: 8/21/11, 7p.m. ET Where: (712) 775-7100 and enter pass code 257963. Why: Because together we can do great things, but only if we work together! We look forward to meeting you! Yours, The National Association of Blind Students. Darian Smith 2nd Vice-President National Association of Blind Students DSmith at nabslink.org www.nabslink.org From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 12:11:55 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:11:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] has anyone checked out the new Skype 5.5 and the Facebook feature? In-Reply-To: <4e4e6334.4413440a.6808.ffffdf32@mx.google.com> References: <4e4e6334.4413440a.6808.ffffdf32@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hey I know that if you go to control 2 tap, history, tab down until you find a thing that says facebook tab. press enter/space one or the other and then your log in using your facebook user name and password. It will then add your facebook contact to your skipe. But how you get to the facebook contacts is a clue for me, I do it by either typing the name in the contact list or tabbing back to that facebook tab. I have not found a short simple way to get to it like control X. Hope this helps and if anyone knows the secret quick key to the facebook tab, please share. thanks On 8/19/11, Beth wrote: > Hey. Has anybody checked out the new Skype 5.5 and its new > "facebook" tab? I am not sure how it works and how to connect my > Facebook to my Skype. For once I want to have my Facebook > contacts in my Skype without a fuss. > Any help would be appreciated. > Beth > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 14:42:23 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 10:42:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] has anyone checked out the new Skype 5.5 and the Facebook feature? In-Reply-To: References: <4e4e6334.4413440a.6808.ffffdf32@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi everyone, Hey Beth, what's your Skype and Facebook names? I'd like to add you, if that's ok! I have Skype 5.3 using Doug Lee's script for JAWS. When I go into Skype, I see a Facebook button. Is this the same? If I click on that button, will it link my Facebook contacts to Skype? Thanks! Chris On 8/20/11, Lea williams wrote: > Hey I know that if you go to control 2 tap, history, tab down until > you find a thing that says facebook tab. press enter/space one or the > other and then your log in using your facebook user name and password. > It will then add your facebook contact to your skipe. But how you get > to the facebook contacts is a clue for me, I do it by either typing > the name in the contact list or tabbing back to that facebook tab. I > have not found a short simple way to get to it like control X. Hope > this helps and if anyone knows the secret quick key to the facebook > tab, please share. thanks > > On 8/19/11, Beth wrote: >> Hey. Has anybody checked out the new Skype 5.5 and its new >> "facebook" tab? I am not sure how it works and how to connect my >> Facebook to my Skype. For once I want to have my Facebook >> contacts in my Skype without a fuss. >> Any help would be appreciated. >> Beth >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 15:31:56 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:31:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] has anyone checked out the new Skype 5.5 and the Facebook feature? In-Reply-To: References: <4e4e6334.4413440a.6808.ffffdf32@mx.google.com> Message-ID: yes it will and i have figured out that if you do insirt plus f8, you can get to your taps for facebook and such there. and if anyone adds you to a chat group and you cannot figure out how to get out. focus on the message in your history for skipe 5.5, press aplication, go up to leave, enter and comfern. With 3.8, press insirt f8 go to leave do the same. hope I have helped. On 8/20/11, chris nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Hey Beth, what's your Skype and Facebook names? I'd like to add you, > if that's ok! I have Skype 5.3 using Doug Lee's script for JAWS. When > I go into Skype, I see a Facebook button. Is this the same? If I click > on that button, will it link my Facebook contacts to Skype? Thanks! > > Chris > > On 8/20/11, Lea williams wrote: >> Hey I know that if you go to control 2 tap, history, tab down until >> you find a thing that says facebook tab. press enter/space one or the >> other and then your log in using your facebook user name and password. >> It will then add your facebook contact to your skipe. But how you get >> to the facebook contacts is a clue for me, I do it by either typing >> the name in the contact list or tabbing back to that facebook tab. I >> have not found a short simple way to get to it like control X. Hope >> this helps and if anyone knows the secret quick key to the facebook >> tab, please share. thanks >> >> On 8/19/11, Beth wrote: >>> Hey. Has anybody checked out the new Skype 5.5 and its new >>> "facebook" tab? I am not sure how it works and how to connect my >>> Facebook to my Skype. For once I want to have my Facebook >>> contacts in my Skype without a fuss. >>> Any help would be appreciated. >>> Beth >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Lea Williams >> >> Phone; >> 704-732-4470 >> Skipe; >> Lea.williams738 >> Facebook >> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 15:44:07 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:44:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] has anyone checked out the new Skype 5.5 and the Facebook feature? In-Reply-To: References: <4e4e6334.4413440a.6808.ffffdf32@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Lea, Thanks for the information! Chris On 8/20/11, Lea williams wrote: > yes it will and i have figured out that if you do insirt plus f8, you > can get to your taps for facebook and such there. and if anyone adds > you to a chat group and you cannot figure out how to get out. focus on > the message in your history for skipe 5.5, press aplication, go up to > leave, enter and comfern. With 3.8, press insirt f8 go to leave do the > same. hope I have helped. > > On 8/20/11, chris nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> Hey Beth, what's your Skype and Facebook names? I'd like to add you, >> if that's ok! I have Skype 5.3 using Doug Lee's script for JAWS. When >> I go into Skype, I see a Facebook button. Is this the same? If I click >> on that button, will it link my Facebook contacts to Skype? Thanks! >> >> Chris >> >> On 8/20/11, Lea williams wrote: >>> Hey I know that if you go to control 2 tap, history, tab down until >>> you find a thing that says facebook tab. press enter/space one or the >>> other and then your log in using your facebook user name and password. >>> It will then add your facebook contact to your skipe. But how you get >>> to the facebook contacts is a clue for me, I do it by either typing >>> the name in the contact list or tabbing back to that facebook tab. I >>> have not found a short simple way to get to it like control X. Hope >>> this helps and if anyone knows the secret quick key to the facebook >>> tab, please share. thanks >>> >>> On 8/19/11, Beth wrote: >>>> Hey. Has anybody checked out the new Skype 5.5 and its new >>>> "facebook" tab? I am not sure how it works and how to connect my >>>> Facebook to my Skype. For once I want to have my Facebook >>>> contacts in my Skype without a fuss. >>>> Any help would be appreciated. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Lea Williams >>> >>> Phone; >>> 704-732-4470 >>> Skipe; >>> Lea.williams738 >>> Facebook >>> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 16:55:45 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:55:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness, loss and therapy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bridgit, I completely agree! Don't demean yourself, you're very bright, IMO! I believe you could very well be an NFB leader on the national level if you wanted to persue that goal! The quote from Dr. Jernigan in my signature, a quote that's so famous within the Federation, says it all. Chris On 8/19/11, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote: > As a former sighted person, I thought I'd weigh in on this topic. > > I was fully sighted for 22 years then loss my vision due to a viral > infection compounded by pneumonia. I drove, loved fashion, had managed > a clothing store, an avid reader, dancer, had been a theatre/vocal > performance major, was raised sighted, lived sighted then pretty quickly > lost my vision. It took about a year beginning with just a little > haziness to my vision, and at the end of the year, after a procedure > that was suppose to restore vision, I lost it all. Eight years later, > it has cleared, if you can call it this, to where I can make out > shadows, light and some colors, but I'm basically totally blind since I > can't use any of this to use my eyes visually. > > I'm not sure why, and I've come to realize I'm in a minority, but I've > never struggled much with losing my vision. It wasn't the greatest > thing to happen, but it was not even close to being the worse thing > either. I can't even put it in the middle of bad things that can > happen. From the beginning, long before I knew about training centers > or consumer organizations or philosophies of blindness, I discovered > blindness was not a catastrophic event and I was still very capable. I > knew I was the same person I'd always been, and I knew I could still do > all the same things, I just had to figure out how to do them. My > biggest problem, and it still is, has been other people in my life. > > Once my eye specialist diagnosed blindness, my dad couldn't stop crying, > and my mom said I better get back on anti-depressants, which I'd been on > and off of for years for an entirely different reason. It was surreal > comforting my father since I never cried about it. This isn't to say it > has always been easy or wonderful, but my blindness has never struck me > deep enough to feel this way. And I remember being angry that my mom > automatically assumed blindness would depress me. > > For eight years, people, mostly sighted, have tried to project feelings > and thoughts onto me that are just not true. No matter what I do, what > I say, I still have people assume blindness is life-altering and limits > you beyond functioning. I don't provide lip service because I've been > brain washed or have an agenda, once I received training, my life's been > normal. I've actually accomplished more blind than I ever did sighted. > Once my doctors cleared my health, I couldn't get into a training > center fast enough. I attended the Iowa Department for the Blind, and I > went in with an open mind, eager to soak up whatever I had to learn. It > was difficult being around students who were resistant to training, or > who couldn't "cope" with their blindness. I'm not trying to diminish > anyone's feelings and experiences, but blindness is relatively > permanent, and instead of wallowing in self-pity and refusing to move > forward, why not adopt a positive attitude and learn what is currently > available to the blind to live active, productive lives? > > When I discovered the NFB and studied its foundational philosophy, I > thought, finally, others who get it. I'm a complete human being with an > emotional landscape- thoughts, feelings, desires, and my entire life is > not wrapped up in blindness. During my first national convention, > during Dr. Mauer's banquet speech, his theme revolved around the concept > that blind people are not broken sighted people. I cried as he spoke > because I knew this, felt it, for years. It was comforting to be around > people who agreed. > > Yes, I miss visually seeing at times, and I don't like that we are still > fighting for equal rights, and I wish more was accessible to us allowing > for the ease most sighted people experience in terms of information, but > usually, blindness itself has nothing to do with this other than because > people believe sight is so instrumental to doing the most mundane task, > they don't consider how simple being blind can be if certain things > changed. > > I miss sight, but not the way I miss my grandma who passed away years > ago. It's a different loss, and for me, no way near the magnitude of > loss experienced with true death. > > Left to my own devices, life truly isn't that huge of a challenge. I > don't struggle mentally with blindness, nor is it a physical challenge > in terms of doing things. I've found alternative techniques equal to > using sight most of the time, and should these techniques be recognized > as equal to sight and adopted on a large scale, most blind people would > have very few, if any, issues. > > I'm not saying I'm happy to be blind, but I'm not unhappy either. And I > don't pretend life is super easy, but again, more than half the time, > the difficulty is related to attitudes and perceptions and unwillingness > to change that creates the difficulty in blindness. I still make > mistakes and I have my own personal limitations, but I don't feel my > blindness contributes to intellectual or physical limitations I have. > As a person who was once sighted, I don't think much has changed in my > life. I enjoy the same things, I do most of the same things- blindness > isn't stopping me. I should probably mention I'm also stubborn and > rebellious, so when I'm told I can't do something, I more likely to do > it. LOL > > So do I think all blind people require therapy? No. And should > training centers provide therapy? No, and if a person feels therapy > would be beneficial, it is up to an individual to seek that care out. > It's no different than any other medical concern. If you need a doctor, > you find one and go to their clinic. The world does not bring you > medical help. So why should a training center provide it? As a > diabetic, I wouldn't expect an on-staff endocrinologist. People seeking > therapy shouldn't be ostracized and made to feel bad for doing so. > What's right for me, may not be so for others, but an individual need, > or desire, does not mean training centers should invest in a therapist. > > People need therapy and psychiatric help for many reasons, and if a > person believes this would help them deal with blindness, that's okay, > and they should seek that help out. I don't think it is necessary for > an institution to provide that care though. At the end of the day, it > does not contribute to the program. > > While losing a sense after once having had it, it is a loss to an > extent. And there is an adjustment period since you learn to do things > in a new way. I understand I'm in a minority with my view when it comes > to sighted people becoming blind later in life and how we address this > fact, but I didn't find blindness to be as emotionally challenging as > some believe, nor did it take me long to adjust to being blind. I'm not > the brightest crayon in the box, so if this is possible for me, I know > it is possible for various crayons- all shapes, sizes and colors! > > Sincerely, > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 17:22:44 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:22:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Blindtlk] Help kickstart 6dot Innovations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Karina Pikhart Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:36:08 -0700 Subject: [Blindtlk] Help kickstart 6dot Innovations To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org Hi everyone! We're 6dot Innovations and we have launched a campaign to raise money to launch our braille labeler. Please visit http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/6dot/6dot-braille-labeler-a-sight-for-sore-eyes?ref=live , make your pledge, and help us spread the word! In 21 days, we'll either get $50,000 or $0 to build this new technology. Thanks in advance for all your patience and support! Best, Karina -- Karina Pikhart 6dot Innovations, LLC _______________________________________________ blindtlk mailing list blindtlk at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindtlk: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 19:07:35 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:07:35 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] has anyone checked out the new Skype 5.5 and theFacebook feature? Message-ID: <4e4ff841.c4482a0a.5285.5e2c@mx.google.com> I don't think the Facebook button is the same. I haven't delved much deeper into Skype than calling people and chatting people. I don't do the apps or games or anything too weird. E-mail me off list and I'll give you my Skype name and Facebook username. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: chris nusbaum wrote: Hey I know that if you go to control 2 tap, history, tab down until you find a thing that says facebook tab. press enter/space one or the other and then your log in using your facebook user name and password. It will then add your facebook contact to your skipe. But how you get to the facebook contacts is a clue for me, I do it by either typing the name in the contact list or tabbing back to that facebook tab. I have not found a short simple way to get to it like control X. Hope this helps and if anyone knows the secret quick key to the facebook tab, please share. thanks On 8/19/11, Beth wrote: Hey. Has anybody checked out the new Skype 5.5 and its new "facebook" tab? I am not sure how it works and how to connect my Facebook to my Skype. For once I want to have my Facebook contacts in my Skype without a fuss. Any help would be appreciated. Beth _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole 1988%40gmail.com -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu sbaum%40gmail.com -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi sloose%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 19:49:15 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:49:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Blindtlk] Guide Dog Users Division makes Seminar Available on the Internet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Marion Gwizdala Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:02:13 -0400 Subject: [Blindtlk] Guide Dog Users Division makes Seminar Available on the Internet To: NAGDU List , FLAGDU List , nyagdu , blindtlk at nfbnet.org, NFB Chapter presidents Please distribute the following announcement as widely as appropriate. This seminar will be available as a live stream. National Association of Guide Dog Users National Federation of the Blind August 20, 2011 Seminar: Service Animals in Places of Public Accommodation What are the rights and responsibilities of service animal users in places of public accommodation? Are there circumstances under which a business is allowed to refuse access to an individual accompanied by a service animal? What is the best way to resolve issues that arise because of the choice to use a service animal? What remedies are available to those who feel their civil rights have been violated? These questions and many more will be answered in an upcoming special teleseminar. The National Association of Guide Dog Users (NAGDU), a strong and proud division of the National Federation of the Blind, will host "Service Animals in Places of public Accommodation" on Sunday, August 21, 2011 at 8:00 pm eastern Daylight Time (7:00 pm Central; 6:00 pm Mountain; and 5:00 pm Pacific). This teleseminar is absolutely free; however reservations are required. Participation is limited and is on a first come first served basis. Who Should Attend? This teleseminar is designed to teach service animal users how to best protect their rights and empower them to be effective self-advocates. It is also meant to help owners and operators of public accommodations understand their rights and responsibilities under the law. The goal of this workshop is to encourage proactive solutions to the challenges faced by service animal users through effective education and accurate information. In order to reserve your space in this teleseminar, please send your name, city & state, and your email address to Info at NAGDU.ORG We would like to know if you are a service animal user or represent a public accommodation. If you represent a public accommodation, what type of public accommodation do you represent? This information will help us better plan the content of the teleseminar. An email confirmation with the call-in number and access codes will be sent to you. Those without email access or who would like more information may call 813-626-2789. Please note: This conference will be recorded. Participation in the conference implies an agreement to and authorization for such recording in compliance with state and federal laws. The information provided during this teleseminar is intended as informal guidance only and should not be construed as legal advice. The call-in telephone number is not toll-free; the National Association of Guide Dog Users, the National Federation of the Blind, or any of its affiliates, divisions, or chapters will not be responsible for any telephone charges or fees that may be incurred as the result of participation in this seminar. For more information about the National Association of Guide Dog Users, the National Federation of the Blind, or to locate a Chapter in your area, you may visit the following websites: National Association of Guide Dog Users HTTP://NAGDU.ORG National Federation of the Blind HTTP://NFB.ORG The National Association of Guide Dog Users also operates a nationwide hotline. Callers can choose to listen to general information about the federal regulations concerning service animals, as well as industry-specific guidance for restaurants, taxicabs, and health care facilities. Those needing immediate assistance can connect to an advocate who has been trained to resolve access issues. The NAGDU Information & Advocacy Hotline is available by calling 888-NAGDU411 (888-624-3841). Those with long distance calling plans can save the association toll charges by using our local number - 813-658-5749 _______________________________________________ blindtlk mailing list blindtlk at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindtlk: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From isaiah5719 at mchsi.com Sat Aug 20 20:01:51 2011 From: isaiah5719 at mchsi.com (Loren Wakefield) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:01:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness, loss and therapy References: Message-ID: <8E372ED24C9349A3A811B575D01605E4@Loren> We don't need therapists on staff. But we do our own type of therapy. Athe Department for the Blind in Iowa, we called it "Business Class". We talked about situations, attitudes, etc. We worked it out ourselves. It is our own and best part of therapy. We can call it business, or whatever, a rose by any other name''''. The point is it works. So don't send a sighted person to do a blind person's job. ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness, loss and therapy > Hi Bridgit, > > I completely agree! Don't demean yourself, you're very bright, IMO! I > believe you could very well be an NFB leader on the national level if > you wanted to persue that goal! The quote from Dr. Jernigan in my > signature, a quote that's so famous within the Federation, says it > all. > > Chris > > On 8/19/11, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote: >> As a former sighted person, I thought I'd weigh in on this topic. >> >> I was fully sighted for 22 years then loss my vision due to a viral >> infection compounded by pneumonia. I drove, loved fashion, had managed >> a clothing store, an avid reader, dancer, had been a theatre/vocal >> performance major, was raised sighted, lived sighted then pretty quickly >> lost my vision. It took about a year beginning with just a little >> haziness to my vision, and at the end of the year, after a procedure >> that was suppose to restore vision, I lost it all. Eight years later, >> it has cleared, if you can call it this, to where I can make out >> shadows, light and some colors, but I'm basically totally blind since I >> can't use any of this to use my eyes visually. >> >> I'm not sure why, and I've come to realize I'm in a minority, but I've >> never struggled much with losing my vision. It wasn't the greatest >> thing to happen, but it was not even close to being the worse thing >> either. I can't even put it in the middle of bad things that can >> happen. From the beginning, long before I knew about training centers >> or consumer organizations or philosophies of blindness, I discovered >> blindness was not a catastrophic event and I was still very capable. I >> knew I was the same person I'd always been, and I knew I could still do >> all the same things, I just had to figure out how to do them. My >> biggest problem, and it still is, has been other people in my life. >> >> Once my eye specialist diagnosed blindness, my dad couldn't stop crying, >> and my mom said I better get back on anti-depressants, which I'd been on >> and off of for years for an entirely different reason. It was surreal >> comforting my father since I never cried about it. This isn't to say it >> has always been easy or wonderful, but my blindness has never struck me >> deep enough to feel this way. And I remember being angry that my mom >> automatically assumed blindness would depress me. >> >> For eight years, people, mostly sighted, have tried to project feelings >> and thoughts onto me that are just not true. No matter what I do, what >> I say, I still have people assume blindness is life-altering and limits >> you beyond functioning. I don't provide lip service because I've been >> brain washed or have an agenda, once I received training, my life's been >> normal. I've actually accomplished more blind than I ever did sighted. >> Once my doctors cleared my health, I couldn't get into a training >> center fast enough. I attended the Iowa Department for the Blind, and I >> went in with an open mind, eager to soak up whatever I had to learn. It >> was difficult being around students who were resistant to training, or >> who couldn't "cope" with their blindness. I'm not trying to diminish >> anyone's feelings and experiences, but blindness is relatively >> permanent, and instead of wallowing in self-pity and refusing to move >> forward, why not adopt a positive attitude and learn what is currently >> available to the blind to live active, productive lives? >> >> When I discovered the NFB and studied its foundational philosophy, I >> thought, finally, others who get it. I'm a complete human being with an >> emotional landscape- thoughts, feelings, desires, and my entire life is >> not wrapped up in blindness. During my first national convention, >> during Dr. Mauer's banquet speech, his theme revolved around the concept >> that blind people are not broken sighted people. I cried as he spoke >> because I knew this, felt it, for years. It was comforting to be around >> people who agreed. >> >> Yes, I miss visually seeing at times, and I don't like that we are still >> fighting for equal rights, and I wish more was accessible to us allowing >> for the ease most sighted people experience in terms of information, but >> usually, blindness itself has nothing to do with this other than because >> people believe sight is so instrumental to doing the most mundane task, >> they don't consider how simple being blind can be if certain things >> changed. >> >> I miss sight, but not the way I miss my grandma who passed away years >> ago. It's a different loss, and for me, no way near the magnitude of >> loss experienced with true death. >> >> Left to my own devices, life truly isn't that huge of a challenge. I >> don't struggle mentally with blindness, nor is it a physical challenge >> in terms of doing things. I've found alternative techniques equal to >> using sight most of the time, and should these techniques be recognized >> as equal to sight and adopted on a large scale, most blind people would >> have very few, if any, issues. >> >> I'm not saying I'm happy to be blind, but I'm not unhappy either. And I >> don't pretend life is super easy, but again, more than half the time, >> the difficulty is related to attitudes and perceptions and unwillingness >> to change that creates the difficulty in blindness. I still make >> mistakes and I have my own personal limitations, but I don't feel my >> blindness contributes to intellectual or physical limitations I have. >> As a person who was once sighted, I don't think much has changed in my >> life. I enjoy the same things, I do most of the same things- blindness >> isn't stopping me. I should probably mention I'm also stubborn and >> rebellious, so when I'm told I can't do something, I more likely to do >> it. LOL >> >> So do I think all blind people require therapy? No. And should >> training centers provide therapy? No, and if a person feels therapy >> would be beneficial, it is up to an individual to seek that care out. >> It's no different than any other medical concern. If you need a doctor, >> you find one and go to their clinic. The world does not bring you >> medical help. So why should a training center provide it? As a >> diabetic, I wouldn't expect an on-staff endocrinologist. People seeking >> therapy shouldn't be ostracized and made to feel bad for doing so. >> What's right for me, may not be so for others, but an individual need, >> or desire, does not mean training centers should invest in a therapist. >> >> People need therapy and psychiatric help for many reasons, and if a >> person believes this would help them deal with blindness, that's okay, >> and they should seek that help out. I don't think it is necessary for >> an institution to provide that care though. At the end of the day, it >> does not contribute to the program. >> >> While losing a sense after once having had it, it is a loss to an >> extent. And there is an adjustment period since you learn to do things >> in a new way. I understand I'm in a minority with my view when it comes >> to sighted people becoming blind later in life and how we address this >> fact, but I didn't find blindness to be as emotionally challenging as >> some believe, nor did it take me long to adjust to being blind. I'm not >> the brightest crayon in the box, so if this is possible for me, I know >> it is possible for various crayons- all shapes, sizes and colors! >> >> Sincerely, >> Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter >> Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at >> http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/isaiah5719%40mchsi.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 00:28:00 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:28:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] RealSpeak JAWS voices Message-ID: Hi everyone, I recently downloaded a RealSpeak voice for JAWS (Tom) from the Freedom Scientific Web site. Now that I have it installed, how do I get the RealSpeak voice to be used as my default synthesizer rather than Eloquence? I tried the speech synthesizers and Braille displays manager in the JAWS utilities menu, but found nothing to make the RealSpeak voice talk. I'm using JAWS 12 on a Windows 7 PC. Any help would be apreciated! Thanks! Chris -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Sun Aug 21 00:50:26 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:50:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness, loss and therapy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Chris, Thank you for your kind words. What a lofty goal you suggest! *smile* Who knows where the future leads for any of us? I'm at a place where I'm open to enter whatever door is left ajar. I'm so unbelieveably grateful for the Federation. I hope the students on this list carry forth the torch that remains burning brightly. We have so much yet to accomplish, but I'm sure we are all just at the beginning of great things. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:55:45 -0400 From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness, loss and therapy Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Bridgit, I completely agree! Don't demean yourself, you're very bright, IMO! I believe you could very well be an NFB leader on the national level if you wanted to persue that goal! The quote from Dr. Jernigan in my signature, a quote that's so famous within the Federation, says it all. Chris On 8/19/11, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote: > As a former sighted person, I thought I'd weigh in on this topic. > > I was fully sighted for 22 years then loss my vision due to a viral > infection compounded by pneumonia. I drove, loved fashion, had > managed a clothing store, an avid reader, dancer, had been a > theatre/vocal performance major, was raised sighted, lived sighted > then pretty quickly lost my vision. It took about a year beginning > with just a little haziness to my vision, and at the end of the year, > after a procedure that was suppose to restore vision, I lost it all. > Eight years later, it has cleared, if you can call it this, to where I > can make out shadows, light and some colors, but I'm basically totally > blind since I can't use any of this to use my eyes visually. > > I'm not sure why, and I've come to realize I'm in a minority, but I've > never struggled much with losing my vision. It wasn't the greatest > thing to happen, but it was not even close to being the worse thing > either. I can't even put it in the middle of bad things that can > happen. From the beginning, long before I knew about training centers > or consumer organizations or philosophies of blindness, I discovered > blindness was not a catastrophic event and I was still very capable. > I knew I was the same person I'd always been, and I knew I could still > do all the same things, I just had to figure out how to do them. My > biggest problem, and it still is, has been other people in my life. > > Once my eye specialist diagnosed blindness, my dad couldn't stop > crying, and my mom said I better get back on anti-depressants, which > I'd been on and off of for years for an entirely different reason. It > was surreal comforting my father since I never cried about it. This > isn't to say it has always been easy or wonderful, but my blindness > has never struck me deep enough to feel this way. And I remember > being angry that my mom automatically assumed blindness would depress > me. > > For eight years, people, mostly sighted, have tried to project > feelings and thoughts onto me that are just not true. No matter what > I do, what I say, I still have people assume blindness is > life-altering and limits you beyond functioning. I don't provide lip > service because I've been brain washed or have an agenda, once I > received training, my life's been normal. I've actually accomplished > more blind than I ever did sighted. Once my doctors cleared my > health, I couldn't get into a training center fast enough. I attended > the Iowa Department for the Blind, and I went in with an open mind, > eager to soak up whatever I had to learn. It was difficult being > around students who were resistant to training, or who couldn't "cope" > with their blindness. I'm not trying to diminish anyone's feelings > and experiences, but blindness is relatively permanent, and instead of > wallowing in self-pity and refusing to move forward, why not adopt a > positive attitude and learn what is currently available to the blind > to live active, productive lives? > > When I discovered the NFB and studied its foundational philosophy, I > thought, finally, others who get it. I'm a complete human being with > an emotional landscape- thoughts, feelings, desires, and my entire > life is not wrapped up in blindness. During my first national > convention, during Dr. Mauer's banquet speech, his theme revolved > around the concept that blind people are not broken sighted people. I > cried as he spoke because I knew this, felt it, for years. It was > comforting to be around people who agreed. > > Yes, I miss visually seeing at times, and I don't like that we are > still fighting for equal rights, and I wish more was accessible to us > allowing for the ease most sighted people experience in terms of > information, but usually, blindness itself has nothing to do with this > other than because people believe sight is so instrumental to doing > the most mundane task, they don't consider how simple being blind can > be if certain things changed. > > I miss sight, but not the way I miss my grandma who passed away years > ago. It's a different loss, and for me, no way near the magnitude of > loss experienced with true death. > > Left to my own devices, life truly isn't that huge of a challenge. I > don't struggle mentally with blindness, nor is it a physical challenge > in terms of doing things. I've found alternative techniques equal to > using sight most of the time, and should these techniques be > recognized as equal to sight and adopted on a large scale, most blind > people would have very few, if any, issues. > > I'm not saying I'm happy to be blind, but I'm not unhappy either. And > I don't pretend life is super easy, but again, more than half the > time, the difficulty is related to attitudes and perceptions and > unwillingness to change that creates the difficulty in blindness. I > still make mistakes and I have my own personal limitations, but I > don't feel my blindness contributes to intellectual or physical > limitations I have. As a person who was once sighted, I don't think > much has changed in my life. I enjoy the same things, I do most of > the same things- blindness isn't stopping me. I should probably > mention I'm also stubborn and rebellious, so when I'm told I can't do > something, I more likely to do it. LOL > > So do I think all blind people require therapy? No. And should > training centers provide therapy? No, and if a person feels therapy > would be beneficial, it is up to an individual to seek that care out. > It's no different than any other medical concern. If you need a > doctor, you find one and go to their clinic. The world does not bring > you medical help. So why should a training center provide it? As a > diabetic, I wouldn't expect an on-staff endocrinologist. People > seeking therapy shouldn't be ostracized and made to feel bad for doing > so. What's right for me, may not be so for others, but an individual > need, or desire, does not mean training centers should invest in a > therapist. > > People need therapy and psychiatric help for many reasons, and if a > person believes this would help them deal with blindness, that's okay, > and they should seek that help out. I don't think it is necessary for > an institution to provide that care though. At the end of the day, it > does not contribute to the program. > > While losing a sense after once having had it, it is a loss to an > extent. And there is an adjustment period since you learn to do > things in a new way. I understand I'm in a minority with my view when > it comes to sighted people becoming blind later in life and how we > address this fact, but I didn't find blindness to be as emotionally > challenging as some believe, nor did it take me long to adjust to > being blind. I'm not the brightest crayon in the box, so if this is > possible for me, I know it is possible for various crayons- all > shapes, sizes and colors! > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 01:17:30 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 21:17:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness, loss and therapy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bridgit, As one of those students, I have the same hope! I will try my best to carry that torch wherever my future in the Federation takes me! In fact, a friend of mine and I have started to have a good-natured argument about which one of us will be NFB President and who will be the vice President. I know one thing... if he were President, I'd write all the speeches! *Smile! Chris On 8/20/11, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote: > Chris, > > Thank you for your kind words. What a lofty goal you suggest! *smile* > Who knows where the future leads for any of us? I'm at a place where > I'm open to enter whatever door is left ajar. > > I'm so unbelieveably grateful for the Federation. I hope the students > on this list carry forth the torch that remains burning brightly. We > have so much yet to accomplish, but I'm sure we are all just at the > beginning of great things. > > Sincerely, > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:55:45 -0400 > From: chris nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness, loss and therapy > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Bridgit, > > I completely agree! Don't demean yourself, you're very bright, IMO! I > believe you could very well be an NFB leader on the national level if > you wanted to persue that goal! The quote from Dr. Jernigan in my > signature, a quote that's so famous within the Federation, says it all. > > Chris > > On 8/19/11, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote: >> As a former sighted person, I thought I'd weigh in on this topic. >> >> I was fully sighted for 22 years then loss my vision due to a viral >> infection compounded by pneumonia. I drove, loved fashion, had >> managed a clothing store, an avid reader, dancer, had been a >> theatre/vocal performance major, was raised sighted, lived sighted >> then pretty quickly lost my vision. It took about a year beginning >> with just a little haziness to my vision, and at the end of the year, >> after a procedure that was suppose to restore vision, I lost it all. >> Eight years later, it has cleared, if you can call it this, to where I > >> can make out shadows, light and some colors, but I'm basically totally > >> blind since I can't use any of this to use my eyes visually. >> >> I'm not sure why, and I've come to realize I'm in a minority, but I've > >> never struggled much with losing my vision. It wasn't the greatest >> thing to happen, but it was not even close to being the worse thing >> either. I can't even put it in the middle of bad things that can >> happen. From the beginning, long before I knew about training centers > >> or consumer organizations or philosophies of blindness, I discovered >> blindness was not a catastrophic event and I was still very capable. >> I knew I was the same person I'd always been, and I knew I could still > >> do all the same things, I just had to figure out how to do them. My >> biggest problem, and it still is, has been other people in my life. >> >> Once my eye specialist diagnosed blindness, my dad couldn't stop >> crying, and my mom said I better get back on anti-depressants, which >> I'd been on and off of for years for an entirely different reason. It > >> was surreal comforting my father since I never cried about it. This >> isn't to say it has always been easy or wonderful, but my blindness >> has never struck me deep enough to feel this way. And I remember >> being angry that my mom automatically assumed blindness would depress >> me. >> >> For eight years, people, mostly sighted, have tried to project >> feelings and thoughts onto me that are just not true. No matter what >> I do, what I say, I still have people assume blindness is >> life-altering and limits you beyond functioning. I don't provide lip >> service because I've been brain washed or have an agenda, once I >> received training, my life's been normal. I've actually accomplished >> more blind than I ever did sighted. Once my doctors cleared my >> health, I couldn't get into a training center fast enough. I attended > >> the Iowa Department for the Blind, and I went in with an open mind, >> eager to soak up whatever I had to learn. It was difficult being >> around students who were resistant to training, or who couldn't "cope" > >> with their blindness. I'm not trying to diminish anyone's feelings >> and experiences, but blindness is relatively permanent, and instead of > >> wallowing in self-pity and refusing to move forward, why not adopt a >> positive attitude and learn what is currently available to the blind >> to live active, productive lives? >> >> When I discovered the NFB and studied its foundational philosophy, I >> thought, finally, others who get it. I'm a complete human being with >> an emotional landscape- thoughts, feelings, desires, and my entire >> life is not wrapped up in blindness. During my first national >> convention, during Dr. Mauer's banquet speech, his theme revolved >> around the concept that blind people are not broken sighted people. I > >> cried as he spoke because I knew this, felt it, for years. It was >> comforting to be around people who agreed. >> >> Yes, I miss visually seeing at times, and I don't like that we are >> still fighting for equal rights, and I wish more was accessible to us >> allowing for the ease most sighted people experience in terms of >> information, but usually, blindness itself has nothing to do with this > >> other than because people believe sight is so instrumental to doing >> the most mundane task, they don't consider how simple being blind can >> be if certain things changed. >> >> I miss sight, but not the way I miss my grandma who passed away years >> ago. It's a different loss, and for me, no way near the magnitude of >> loss experienced with true death. >> >> Left to my own devices, life truly isn't that huge of a challenge. I >> don't struggle mentally with blindness, nor is it a physical challenge > >> in terms of doing things. I've found alternative techniques equal to >> using sight most of the time, and should these techniques be >> recognized as equal to sight and adopted on a large scale, most blind >> people would have very few, if any, issues. >> >> I'm not saying I'm happy to be blind, but I'm not unhappy either. And > >> I don't pretend life is super easy, but again, more than half the >> time, the difficulty is related to attitudes and perceptions and >> unwillingness to change that creates the difficulty in blindness. I >> still make mistakes and I have my own personal limitations, but I >> don't feel my blindness contributes to intellectual or physical >> limitations I have. As a person who was once sighted, I don't think >> much has changed in my life. I enjoy the same things, I do most of >> the same things- blindness isn't stopping me. I should probably >> mention I'm also stubborn and rebellious, so when I'm told I can't do >> something, I more likely to do it. LOL >> >> So do I think all blind people require therapy? No. And should >> training centers provide therapy? No, and if a person feels therapy >> would be beneficial, it is up to an individual to seek that care out. >> It's no different than any other medical concern. If you need a >> doctor, you find one and go to their clinic. The world does not bring > >> you medical help. So why should a training center provide it? As a >> diabetic, I wouldn't expect an on-staff endocrinologist. People >> seeking therapy shouldn't be ostracized and made to feel bad for doing > >> so. What's right for me, may not be so for others, but an individual >> need, or desire, does not mean training centers should invest in a >> therapist. >> >> People need therapy and psychiatric help for many reasons, and if a >> person believes this would help them deal with blindness, that's okay, > >> and they should seek that help out. I don't think it is necessary for > >> an institution to provide that care though. At the end of the day, it > >> does not contribute to the program. >> >> While losing a sense after once having had it, it is a loss to an >> extent. And there is an adjustment period since you learn to do >> things in a new way. I understand I'm in a minority with my view when > >> it comes to sighted people becoming blind later in life and how we >> address this fact, but I didn't find blindness to be as emotionally >> challenging as some believe, nor did it take me long to adjust to >> being blind. I'm not the brightest crayon in the box, so if this is >> possible for me, I know it is possible for various crayons- all >> shapes, sizes and colors! >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 21 01:42:10 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 21:42:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] RealSpeak JAWS voices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55B65100774547589FE6FCC4CDF254DA@OwnerPC> Good question. Maybe I should try those voice. How many are there? Does Tom sound more clear than eloquence? -----Original Message----- From: chris nusbaum Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 8:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Blind Talk Mailing List Subject: [nabs-l] RealSpeak JAWS voices Hi everyone, I recently downloaded a RealSpeak voice for JAWS (Tom) from the Freedom Scientific Web site. Now that I have it installed, how do I get the RealSpeak voice to be used as my default synthesizer rather than Eloquence? I tried the speech synthesizers and Braille displays manager in the JAWS utilities menu, but found nothing to make the RealSpeak voice talk. I'm using JAWS 12 on a Windows 7 PC. Any help would be apreciated! Thanks! Chris -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jty727 at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 02:01:39 2011 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:01:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] RealSpeak JAWS voices In-Reply-To: <55B65100774547589FE6FCC4CDF254DA@OwnerPC> References: <55B65100774547589FE6FCC4CDF254DA@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hello, To answer the question of how to get your given voice to work which I believe you selected Tom. You must go up into the JAWS Graphic User Interface(GUI) then go to the menu bar. Once you are in the menu bar the first selection is options. Down arrow to voices then right arrow once then down arrow once which will take you to something which says Select a Voice Profile. Click enter then you must tab until you get to the necessary combo boxes. Click ok when finished. Justin On 8/20/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Good question. Maybe I should try those voice. How many are there? Does Tom > sound more clear than eloquence? > > -----Original Message----- > From: chris nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 8:28 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Blind Talk Mailing List > Subject: [nabs-l] RealSpeak JAWS voices > > Hi everyone, > > I recently downloaded a RealSpeak voice for JAWS (Tom) from the > Freedom Scientific Web site. Now that I have it installed, how do I > get the RealSpeak voice to be used as my default synthesizer rather > than Eloquence? I tried the speech synthesizers and Braille displays > manager in the JAWS utilities menu, but found nothing to make the > RealSpeak voice talk. I'm using JAWS 12 on a Windows 7 PC. Any help > would be apreciated! Thanks! > > Chris > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 02:05:34 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:05:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] RealSpeak JAWS voices In-Reply-To: <55B65100774547589FE6FCC4CDF254DA@OwnerPC> References: <55B65100774547589FE6FCC4CDF254DA@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Ashley There are a lot, I don't remember the exact number. To find them, go to insert J for the JAWS window, hit alt for the menu bar, then hit right arrow until you find the help menu. Hit down arrow on that menu, and keep down arrowing until you find the Web Resources submenu. Hit right arrow to go into the sub menu, and you should see something about RealSpeak solo direct voices as you down arrow through the submenu. Hit Enter on that, and Internet Explorer will open to that page on the Freedom Scientific Web site. From that page, you can choose from the list of voices, click the Sample Voice link to hear a sample MP3 file of the voice, and then you can choose the one you like and press Enter on the "download voice" link for that voice. Hope this helps! Chris On 8/20/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Good question. Maybe I should try those voice. How many are there? Does Tom > sound more clear than eloquence? > > -----Original Message----- > From: chris nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 8:28 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Blind Talk Mailing List > Subject: [nabs-l] RealSpeak JAWS voices > > Hi everyone, > > I recently downloaded a RealSpeak voice for JAWS (Tom) from the > Freedom Scientific Web site. Now that I have it installed, how do I > get the RealSpeak voice to be used as my default synthesizer rather > than Eloquence? I tried the speech synthesizers and Braille displays > manager in the JAWS utilities menu, but found nothing to make the > RealSpeak voice talk. I'm using JAWS 12 on a Windows 7 PC. Any help > would be apreciated! Thanks! > > Chris > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From kolby12091988 at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 03:44:15 2011 From: kolby12091988 at gmail.com (Kolby Garrison) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:44:15 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Blackboard Virtual Classroom Message-ID: Hello Everyone, I would like to know if anyone has ever used the virtual classroom portion of blackboard? When I open the virtual classroom on blackboard, I do not receive any feedback from jaws or my braille display. I know that the virtual classroom screen is open, but only because of sighted assistance. The virtual classroom feature on blackboard is the only portion of blackboard that uses java, and I am not sure if there is a way to have jaws and java communicate with each other. I know that the web browser that one is using could make a difference as well. Has anyone found one web browser to work particularly better with blackboard than others? I would appreciate any input that anyone has concerning jaws, java, blackboard, the virtual classroom, the best web browser, etc. Thank you, kolby From frandi.galindo at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 04:17:39 2011 From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com (frandi.galindo at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 00:17:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Where to find number of blind persons in each city orcounty In-Reply-To: <8FF687EB29A6AD4B8D020BAC05C85CC2244F6DB829@KOCL385270EXCH.msp.tech.int.digex.com> References: <8FF687EB29A6AD4B8D020BAC05C85CC2244F6DB829@KOCL385270EXCH.msp.tech.int.digex.com> Message-ID: Whow, Where have I been? When did the US gather all blind and visually impaired peoples and put them in ghettos. Are we all that much trouble? Just look around, you will eventually come across blind and visually impaired in your town. They will show themselves when food stamps are in their accounts. For some reason, many seam to hide in their homes. Are we all gonna start wearing badges on our clotheings saying, Hear I am. Blind or Hear I am, me and my broken eyes. Think about it. You don't find a directory of sighted peoples anywhere. There is a phonebook, but it doesn't say sighted or blind next to their name. A list like this is most likely the best place to find people from your town. All you have to do is ask. And if not, people on here might know of peoples in your town or area of living. -----Original Message----- From: Tara Annis Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 10:40 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Where to find number of blind persons in each city orcounty I thought you guys may know the answer of where to find statistics about blind people, specifically the number living in each county or state. I know about AFB web site, but it just gives number per state. Is there a number I could call to get this info, or a web site that is easy to navigate with a screen reader that would have this data? I'm specifically looking for Huntington, West Virginia which is in Cabell county. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 04:42:53 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 00:42:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Blackboard Virtual Classroom In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: how is this different from the discution board of black board? On 8/20/11, Kolby Garrison wrote: > Hello Everyone, > I would like to know if anyone has ever used the virtual classroom > portion of blackboard? When I open the virtual classroom on > blackboard, I do not receive any feedback from jaws or my braille > display. I know that the virtual classroom screen is open, but only > because of sighted assistance. The virtual classroom feature on > blackboard is the only portion of blackboard that uses java, and I am > not sure if there is a way to have jaws and java communicate with each > other. I know that the web browser that one is using could make a > difference as well. Has anyone found one web browser to work > particularly better with blackboard than others? I would appreciate > any input that anyone has concerning jaws, java, blackboard, the > virtual classroom, the best web browser, etc. > Thank you, > kolby > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Sun Aug 21 05:14:28 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:14:28 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Blackboard Virtual Classroom References: Message-ID: <5C93FDB9B37D469D8F00E9B73971E44E@stanford.edu> Java or Java Script? If it is Java, then you need the Java Access Bridge. If you are running a 64 bit version of Windows, please contact me for more information. HTH, Nicole ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kolby Garrison" To: Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 8:44 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Blackboard Virtual Classroom > Hello Everyone, > I would like to know if anyone has ever used the virtual classroom > portion of blackboard? When I open the virtual classroom on > blackboard, I do not receive any feedback from jaws or my braille > display. I know that the virtual classroom screen is open, but only > because of sighted assistance. The virtual classroom feature on > blackboard is the only portion of blackboard that uses java, and I am > not sure if there is a way to have jaws and java communicate with each > other. I know that the web browser that one is using could make a > difference as well. Has anyone found one web browser to work > particularly better with blackboard than others? I would appreciate > any input that anyone has concerning jaws, java, blackboard, the > virtual classroom, the best web browser, etc. > Thank you, > kolby > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 21:19:04 2011 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 17:19:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Meet The Nabs Board By Phone Or On AudioAccessRadio Message-ID: Hi Everyone! Can't or don't want to dial in to tonight's nabs call? Well, I've got you covered with the live internet stream of the Nabs call tonight at 7 PM eastern exclusively on AudioAccessRadio!!! Tuning in is quite easy. At 7 PM eastern, go to the following link: http://www.audioaccessradio.com/listen_live.php and select your player of choice for tuning in. There are quite a few differet listening options available to you, From an ITunes link to a desktop application designed to play the AudioAccessRadio stream, so listening should be easy for you! After tonight's call, I'll email you about the updated archive page for past calls that will be there, and how you can use our brand new system to receive text notifications of call availability by phone. So again, link for listening is http://www.audioaccessradio.com/listen_live.php Tune in and meet your new nabs board! P.S. I apologize for not getting Shawn for Nabs On Deck tonight, we'll get him for sure for next nabs call. From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 21:46:53 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:46:53 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: The National Association of Blind Students Presents: Meet the Nabs board! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello all, My apologies if you are recieving this a second time. Either way, we hope you can attend, as we would love to meet you! Convention has come and gone, and we all as members of the National Association of Blind Students are ready to start anew. We have no doubt you have questions: who’s on the board this year? What kind of committees can we expect to see? Who on the board will be working with my student division more closely? The national Association of Blind Students (NABS) invites you to our first call of the 2011 – 2012 term! On this call the newly elected nabs board will be on hand to meet with you all and discuss the offices they hold, the regions they serve and the committees they chair. This call will take place on Sunday, August 21, at 7p.m. Eastern/4p.m. Pacific Time. Who: The National Association of Blind Students What: Meet the nabs board. When: 8/21/11, 7p.m. ET Where: (712) 775-7100 and enter pass code 257963. Why: Because together we can do great things, but only if we work together! We look forward to meeting you! Yours, The National Association of Blind Students. Darian Smith 2nd Vice-President National Association of Blind Students DSmith at nabslink.org www.nabslink.org From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Aug 23 03:54:43 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:54:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class Message-ID: Hi, it's Joshua Lester. My compressed video class, starts tomorrow night. I E-mailed my instructor, last wednesday, but he still hasn't responded. I don't know what to think. At least, I know one person, in the class, so far. Hopefully, she can help me with this compressed video mess. The only problem, is getting a ride home. The disability service lady said, "students aren't responsible for other students' transportation." I don't have a problem with that statement, but the person they have, to take me home, is the janitor. He gets through, at 10 PM. My class ends, at 9:20. My mother's vision is getting bad, because of diabetes, so she can't drive at night, and I'm not staying till 10, especially when I have something to do, on Wednesdays. Blessings, Joshua From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 04:13:47 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:13:47 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Joshua, Does your class actually meet in a classroom? If so, can you make an announcement at the beginning of class asking for a driver, and offering to pay for gas etc.? If there is a student who lives near you, paying for gas may be all that's needed. If you find a driver you like, you could also hire them to be your reader and help you access the instructor's slides, if you are having trouble following the video. HTH, Arielle On 8/22/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > My compressed video class, starts tomorrow night. > I E-mailed my instructor, last wednesday, but he still hasn't responded. > I don't know what to think. > At least, I know one person, in the class, so far. > Hopefully, she can help me with this compressed video mess. > The only problem, is getting a ride home. > The disability service lady said, "students aren't responsible for > other students' transportation." > I don't have a problem with that statement, but the person they have, > to take me home, is the janitor. > He gets through, at 10 PM. > My class ends, at 9:20. > My mother's vision is getting bad, because of diabetes, so she can't > drive at night, and I'm not staying till 10, especially when I have > something to do, on Wednesdays. > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Aug 23 04:56:16 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:56:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If my girlfriend is in the class, it shouldn't be a problem. I'll announce it, and offer to pay, if not. That's what I planned on, but with the Disabilities lady over the compressed video room, it's going to be a problem. Blessings, Joshua On 8/22/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Joshua, > Does your class actually meet in a classroom? > If so, can you make an announcement at the beginning of class asking > for a driver, and offering to pay for gas etc.? > If there is a student who lives near you, paying for gas may be all > that's needed. > If you find a driver you like, you could also hire them to be your > reader and help you access the instructor's slides, if you are having > trouble following the video. > HTH, > Arielle > > On 8/22/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> My compressed video class, starts tomorrow night. >> I E-mailed my instructor, last wednesday, but he still hasn't responded. >> I don't know what to think. >> At least, I know one person, in the class, so far. >> Hopefully, she can help me with this compressed video mess. >> The only problem, is getting a ride home. >> The disability service lady said, "students aren't responsible for >> other students' transportation." >> I don't have a problem with that statement, but the person they have, >> to take me home, is the janitor. >> He gets through, at 10 PM. >> My class ends, at 9:20. >> My mother's vision is getting bad, because of diabetes, so she can't >> drive at night, and I'm not staying till 10, especially when I have >> something to do, on Wednesdays. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 15:09:59 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:09:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class Message-ID: <4e53c2c7.c36a340a.4ea4.0394@mx.google.com> Hi Joshua, Maybe you can call your instructor's office and see if you can get a hold of him that way. Sometimes that's more effective than emailing, as the person on the other end of the phone has to talk to you since you're there, whereas he can just delete and ignore emails. As for transportation, so your DS office won't let you ask another student for transportation? I understand their point, but with this janitor you don't have a choice! Unless they say "Absolutely not," I say still ask a student; someone you know and can trust to give you transportation and be responsible. Otherwise, how's public transportation and/or paratransit in your community? Do you have that option? What about a college shuttle? Good luck! Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester References: <4e53c2c7.c36a340a.4ea4.0394@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Joshua, I'm still a little confused about what the problem is with the disabilities lady. There's nothing stopping you from asking another student either for a ride, for help with understanding the video, or both. Sometimes disability services suggests a specific way to do something, like suggesting you take a ride from the janitor, but that's just a suggestion. You can absolutely do whatever you feel is best to get your accommodations even if it's not what the DSS office suggests. Maybe I misunderstood what the issue is? Arielle On 8/23/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > Maybe you can call your instructor's office and see if you can > get a hold of him that way. Sometimes that's more effective than > emailing, as the person on the other end of the phone has to talk > to you since you're there, whereas he can just delete and ignore > emails. As for transportation, so your DS office won't let you > ask another student for transportation? I understand their point, > but with this janitor you don't have a choice! Unless they say > "Absolutely not," I say still ask a student; someone you know and > can trust to give you transportation and be responsible. > Otherwise, how's public transportation and/or paratransit in your > community? Do you have that option? What about a college shuttle? > Good luck! > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National > Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: > www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > Sent from my BrailleNote > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:54:43 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > My compressed video class, starts tomorrow night. > I E-mailed my instructor, last wednesday, but he still hasn't > responded. > I don't know what to think. > At least, I know one person, in the class, so far. > Hopefully, she can help me with this compressed video mess. > The only problem, is getting a ride home. > The disability service lady said, "students aren't responsible > for > other students' transportation." > I don't have a problem with that statement, but the person they > have, > to take me home, is the janitor. > He gets through, at 10 PM. > My class ends, at 9:20. > My mother's vision is getting bad, because of diabetes, so she > can't > drive at night, and I'm not staying till 10, especially when I > have > something to do, on Wednesdays. > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu > sbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Aug 23 16:10:18 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:10:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class In-Reply-To: References: <4e53c2c7.c36a340a.4ea4.0394@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I don't want her interrupting me, when I'm asking the question. That's the problem. Also, to answer Chris's question, we don't have the paratransit, or public transportation. DeWitt, is a rural town, in Arkansas, population 3500 people. We're considered the rice capitol of the nation. Blessings, Joshua On 8/23/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Joshua, > I'm still a little confused about what the problem is with the > disabilities lady. There's nothing stopping you from asking another > student either for a ride, for help with understanding the video, or > both. Sometimes disability services suggests a specific way to do > something, like suggesting you take a ride from the janitor, but > that's just a suggestion. You can absolutely do whatever you feel is > best to get your accommodations even if it's not what the DSS office > suggests. Maybe I misunderstood what the issue is? > Arielle > > On 8/23/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Joshua, >> >> Maybe you can call your instructor's office and see if you can >> get a hold of him that way. Sometimes that's more effective than >> emailing, as the person on the other end of the phone has to talk >> to you since you're there, whereas he can just delete and ignore >> emails. As for transportation, so your DS office won't let you >> ask another student for transportation? I understand their point, >> but with this janitor you don't have a choice! Unless they say >> "Absolutely not," I say still ask a student; someone you know and >> can trust to give you transportation and be responsible. >> Otherwise, how's public transportation and/or paratransit in your >> community? Do you have that option? What about a college shuttle? >> Good luck! >> >> Chris >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >> www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> >> Sent from my BrailleNote >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:54:43 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class >> >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> My compressed video class, starts tomorrow night. >> I E-mailed my instructor, last wednesday, but he still hasn't >> responded. >> I don't know what to think. >> At least, I know one person, in the class, so far. >> Hopefully, she can help me with this compressed video mess. >> The only problem, is getting a ride home. >> The disability service lady said, "students aren't responsible >> for >> other students' transportation." >> I don't have a problem with that statement, but the person they >> have, >> to take me home, is the janitor. >> He gets through, at 10 PM. >> My class ends, at 9:20. >> My mother's vision is getting bad, because of diabetes, so she >> can't >> drive at night, and I'm not staying till 10, especially when I >> have >> something to do, on Wednesdays. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >> sbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 16:20:38 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 10:20:38 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class In-Reply-To: References: <4e53c2c7.c36a340a.4ea4.0394@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Joshua, Does this lady need to be in the classroom with you and the other students? Or can you work it out so you can be in the class without her? If you do want her to be there, can you talk with her ahead of time and explain that you will be asking for a driver? Remember, it should be about what you want and need as the student, not what this individual thinks is best for you. Staff from the disabilities office aren't authorized to decide how you will get your accommodations. Best, Arielle On 8/23/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > I don't want her interrupting me, when I'm asking the question. > That's the problem. > Also, to answer Chris's question, we don't have the paratransit, or > public transportation. > DeWitt, is a rural town, in Arkansas, population 3500 people. > We're considered the rice capitol of the nation. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/23/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> Hi Joshua, >> I'm still a little confused about what the problem is with the >> disabilities lady. There's nothing stopping you from asking another >> student either for a ride, for help with understanding the video, or >> both. Sometimes disability services suggests a specific way to do >> something, like suggesting you take a ride from the janitor, but >> that's just a suggestion. You can absolutely do whatever you feel is >> best to get your accommodations even if it's not what the DSS office >> suggests. Maybe I misunderstood what the issue is? >> Arielle >> >> On 8/23/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> Hi Joshua, >>> >>> Maybe you can call your instructor's office and see if you can >>> get a hold of him that way. Sometimes that's more effective than >>> emailing, as the person on the other end of the phone has to talk >>> to you since you're there, whereas he can just delete and ignore >>> emails. As for transportation, so your DS office won't let you >>> ask another student for transportation? I understand their point, >>> but with this janitor you don't have a choice! Unless they say >>> "Absolutely not," I say still ask a student; someone you know and >>> can trust to give you transportation and be responsible. >>> Otherwise, how's public transportation and/or paratransit in your >>> community? Do you have that option? What about a college shuttle? >>> Good luck! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:54:43 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class >>> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> My compressed video class, starts tomorrow night. >>> I E-mailed my instructor, last wednesday, but he still hasn't >>> responded. >>> I don't know what to think. >>> At least, I know one person, in the class, so far. >>> Hopefully, she can help me with this compressed video mess. >>> The only problem, is getting a ride home. >>> The disability service lady said, "students aren't responsible >>> for >>> other students' transportation." >>> I don't have a problem with that statement, but the person they >>> have, >>> to take me home, is the janitor. >>> He gets through, at 10 PM. >>> My class ends, at 9:20. >>> My mother's vision is getting bad, because of diabetes, so she >>> can't >>> drive at night, and I'm not staying till 10, especially when I >>> have >>> something to do, on Wednesdays. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 19:07:01 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:07:01 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class Message-ID: <4e53fa56.049fdc0a.37aa.0720@mx.google.com> Hi Joshua, Ah, good point. Well... rice capitol of the nation, that's a good claim to fame! :) Are you near Hot Springs? My cousin lives there. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Hi Joshua, I'm still a little confused about what the problem is with the disabilities lady. There's nothing stopping you from asking another student either for a ride, for help with understanding the video, or both. Sometimes disability services suggests a specific way to do something, like suggesting you take a ride from the janitor, but that's just a suggestion. You can absolutely do whatever you feel is best to get your accommodations even if it's not what the DSS office suggests. Maybe I misunderstood what the issue is? Arielle On 8/23/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Hi Joshua, Maybe you can call your instructor's office and see if you can get a hold of him that way. Sometimes that's more effective than emailing, as the person on the other end of the phone has to talk to you since you're there, whereas he can just delete and ignore emails. As for transportation, so your DS office won't let you ask another student for transportation? I understand their point, but with this janitor you don't have a choice! Unless they say "Absolutely not," I say still ask a student; someone you know and can trust to give you transportation and be responsible. Otherwise, how's public transportation and/or paratransit in your community? Do you have that option? What about a college shuttle? Good luck! Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester References: <4e53c2c7.c36a340a.4ea4.0394@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, Joshua, Arielle made some really good points. Of course none of the students in your class is obligated to give you a ride, which I suspect may be what the disability office person meant in the first place, but it is ultimately your responsibility to figure out a transportation arrangement that works for you, and if someone is willing to carpool with you/be your driver in exchange for gas money or whatnot, then it seems like a perfectly reasonable solution to me. Also, I understand that everyone's situation is different, but I don't think that it is very typical for the disability office person to attend class with the blind student. Is there any specific reason that you need her to be there? As for getting hold of the instructor, some professors are really bad at responding to emails, so I wouldn't take it too personally. Perhaps you can send him another follow-up email, politely reminding him that you wrote a while ago and would really appreciate to hear from him? Also, I don't know if this is possible with the compressed video technology, but you might try asking the instructor during your first class to speak with him briefly after the lecture to discuss your needs. Do you expect to need a lot of accomoodations for this particular class? Hope this helps! Katie On 8/23/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Joshua, > Does this lady need to be in the classroom with you and the other > students? Or can you work it out so you can be in the class without > her? > If you do want her to be there, can you talk with her ahead of time > and explain that you will be asking for a driver? > Remember, it should be about what you want and need as the student, > not what this individual thinks is best for you. Staff from the > disabilities office aren't authorized to decide how you will get your > accommodations. > Best, > Arielle > > On 8/23/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I don't want her interrupting me, when I'm asking the question. >> That's the problem. >> Also, to answer Chris's question, we don't have the paratransit, or >> public transportation. >> DeWitt, is a rural town, in Arkansas, population 3500 people. >> We're considered the rice capitol of the nation. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 8/23/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> Hi Joshua, >>> I'm still a little confused about what the problem is with the >>> disabilities lady. There's nothing stopping you from asking another >>> student either for a ride, for help with understanding the video, or >>> both. Sometimes disability services suggests a specific way to do >>> something, like suggesting you take a ride from the janitor, but >>> that's just a suggestion. You can absolutely do whatever you feel is >>> best to get your accommodations even if it's not what the DSS office >>> suggests. Maybe I misunderstood what the issue is? >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 8/23/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>> Hi Joshua, >>>> >>>> Maybe you can call your instructor's office and see if you can >>>> get a hold of him that way. Sometimes that's more effective than >>>> emailing, as the person on the other end of the phone has to talk >>>> to you since you're there, whereas he can just delete and ignore >>>> emails. As for transportation, so your DS office won't let you >>>> ask another student for transportation? I understand their point, >>>> but with this janitor you don't have a choice! Unless they say >>>> "Absolutely not," I say still ask a student; someone you know and >>>> can trust to give you transportation and be responsible. >>>> Otherwise, how's public transportation and/or paratransit in your >>>> community? Do you have that option? What about a college shuttle? >>>> Good luck! >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>>> >>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:54:43 -0500 >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class >>>> >>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> My compressed video class, starts tomorrow night. >>>> I E-mailed my instructor, last wednesday, but he still hasn't >>>> responded. >>>> I don't know what to think. >>>> At least, I know one person, in the class, so far. >>>> Hopefully, she can help me with this compressed video mess. >>>> The only problem, is getting a ride home. >>>> The disability service lady said, "students aren't responsible >>>> for >>>> other students' transportation." >>>> I don't have a problem with that statement, but the person they >>>> have, >>>> to take me home, is the janitor. >>>> He gets through, at 10 PM. >>>> My class ends, at 9:20. >>>> My mother's vision is getting bad, because of diabetes, so she >>>> can't >>>> drive at night, and I'm not staying till 10, especially when I >>>> have >>>> something to do, on Wednesdays. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >>>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Tue Aug 23 19:51:48 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 14:51:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on compress video class In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm with Arielle, I don't understand how any office on campus can ban you from asking other students for a ride. A DSO itself may not be allowed to make such a request, but you are acting on your behalf and not the behalf of the school, so there's no reason why you can't ask classmates for rides. I actually find it incredibly inappropriate that your DSO not only suggests a janitor take you home, but that it believes it is within DSO functions and rules to make such a request for a student. It's not fair to you, as the student, and it's not fair to the janitor staff, whose job requirements, I guarantee you, say nothing about acting as a taxi service for certain students. Transportation is not an accommodation any DSO has to offer or deal with. A disability services office only has to handle concerns and accommodations that directly affect and deal with your education. How you get to and from school is not its concern. They can provide suggestions, as Arielle mentions, but they can't keep you from seeking other routes different from any suggestion it makes. As a student, it is your responsibility to check out class schedules well before each semester and determine how to get to each class and round up any necessary transportation. If you don't have family or friends who can help, and no classmates can either, and the public transit is not a viable option, you will have to consider paying for a service like a taxi. Nonetheless, no one can not allow you to request a ride from fellow classmates. Regardless of what your DSO says, know it can't penalize you, or stop you, from making this request. And if, for whatever reason, your instructor won't allow you to make a request in front of the class, you can email students, or ask individually. Good luck. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:28:57 -0600 From: Arielle Silverman To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Joshua, I'm still a little confused about what the problem is with the disabilities lady. There's nothing stopping you from asking another student either for a ride, for help with understanding the video, or both. Sometimes disability services suggests a specific way to do something, like suggesting you take a ride from the janitor, but that's just a suggestion. You can absolutely do whatever you feel is best to get your accommodations even if it's not what the DSS office suggests. Maybe I misunderstood what the issue is? Arielle From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Aug 23 20:52:01 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:52:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on compress video class In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Taxis aren't an option, here either. I'm going to ask for a ride. As I said, if my girlfirend is in the class, that would solve the problem. Blessings, Joshua On 8/23/11, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote: > I'm with Arielle, I don't understand how any office on campus can ban > you from asking other students for a ride. A DSO itself may not be > allowed to make such a request, but you are acting on your behalf and > not the behalf of the school, so there's no reason why you can't ask > classmates for rides. > > I actually find it incredibly inappropriate that your DSO not only > suggests a janitor take you home, but that it believes it is within DSO > functions and rules to make such a request for a student. It's not fair > to you, as the student, and it's not fair to the janitor staff, whose > job requirements, I guarantee you, say nothing about acting as a taxi > service for certain students. > > Transportation is not an accommodation any DSO has to offer or deal > with. A disability services office only has to handle concerns and > accommodations that directly affect and deal with your education. How > you get to and from school is not its concern. They can provide > suggestions, as Arielle mentions, but they can't keep you from seeking > other routes different from any suggestion it makes. > > As a student, it is your responsibility to check out class schedules > well before each semester and determine how to get to each class and > round up any necessary transportation. If you don't have family or > friends who can help, and no classmates can either, and the public > transit is not a viable option, you will have to consider paying for a > service like a taxi. > > Nonetheless, no one can not allow you to request a ride from fellow > classmates. Regardless of what your DSO says, know it can't penalize > you, or stop you, from making this request. And if, for whatever > reason, your instructor won't allow you to make a request in front of > the class, you can email students, or ask individually. > > Good luck. > > Sincerely, > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:28:57 -0600 > From: Arielle Silverman > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Joshua, > I'm still a little confused about what the problem is with the > disabilities lady. There's nothing stopping you from asking another > student either for a ride, for help with understanding the video, or > both. Sometimes disability services suggests a specific way to do > something, like suggesting you take a ride from the janitor, but that's > just a suggestion. You can absolutely do whatever you feel is best to > get your accommodations even if it's not what the DSS office suggests. > Maybe I misunderstood what the issue is? Arielle > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Aug 23 20:56:57 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:56:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class In-Reply-To: References: <4e53c2c7.c36a340a.4ea4.0394@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Katie, and Arielle, the DSO lady, also facilitates the compressed video class, because her office is located in the same room. Bridget had some good points, on her other thread, that she started. Chris, Hot Springs is 3 hours away. I'm in Arkansas County. Stuttgart, is the closest town. I'll talk to Mr. Bagley, after class. Blessings, Joshua On 8/23/11, Katie Wang wrote: > Hi, Joshua, > Arielle made some really good points. Of course none of the students > in your class is obligated to give you a ride, which I suspect may be > what the disability office person meant in the first place, but it is > ultimately your responsibility to figure out a transportation > arrangement that works for you, and if someone is willing to carpool > with you/be your driver in exchange for gas money or whatnot, then it > seems like a perfectly reasonable solution to me. Also, I understand > that everyone's situation is different, but I don't think that it is > very typical for the disability office person to attend class with the > blind student. Is there any specific reason that you need her to be > there? > As for getting hold of the instructor, some professors are really bad > at responding to emails, so I wouldn't take it too personally. Perhaps > you can send him another follow-up email, politely reminding him that > you wrote a while ago and would really appreciate to hear from him? > Also, I don't know if this is possible with the compressed video > technology, but you might try asking the instructor during your first > class to speak with him briefly after the lecture to discuss your > needs. Do you expect to need a lot of accomoodations for this > particular class? > Hope this helps! > Katie > > > On 8/23/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> Hi Joshua, >> Does this lady need to be in the classroom with you and the other >> students? Or can you work it out so you can be in the class without >> her? >> If you do want her to be there, can you talk with her ahead of time >> and explain that you will be asking for a driver? >> Remember, it should be about what you want and need as the student, >> not what this individual thinks is best for you. Staff from the >> disabilities office aren't authorized to decide how you will get your >> accommodations. >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> On 8/23/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> I don't want her interrupting me, when I'm asking the question. >>> That's the problem. >>> Also, to answer Chris's question, we don't have the paratransit, or >>> public transportation. >>> DeWitt, is a rural town, in Arkansas, population 3500 people. >>> We're considered the rice capitol of the nation. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 8/23/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>> Hi Joshua, >>>> I'm still a little confused about what the problem is with the >>>> disabilities lady. There's nothing stopping you from asking another >>>> student either for a ride, for help with understanding the video, or >>>> both. Sometimes disability services suggests a specific way to do >>>> something, like suggesting you take a ride from the janitor, but >>>> that's just a suggestion. You can absolutely do whatever you feel is >>>> best to get your accommodations even if it's not what the DSS office >>>> suggests. Maybe I misunderstood what the issue is? >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>> On 8/23/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>>> Hi Joshua, >>>>> >>>>> Maybe you can call your instructor's office and see if you can >>>>> get a hold of him that way. Sometimes that's more effective than >>>>> emailing, as the person on the other end of the phone has to talk >>>>> to you since you're there, whereas he can just delete and ignore >>>>> emails. As for transportation, so your DS office won't let you >>>>> ask another student for transportation? I understand their point, >>>>> but with this janitor you don't have a choice! Unless they say >>>>> "Absolutely not," I say still ask a student; someone you know and >>>>> can trust to give you transportation and be responsible. >>>>> Otherwise, how's public transportation and/or paratransit in your >>>>> community? Do you have that option? What about a college shuttle? >>>>> Good luck! >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>> >>>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>>>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>>>> >>>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:54:43 -0500 >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class >>>>> >>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>> My compressed video class, starts tomorrow night. >>>>> I E-mailed my instructor, last wednesday, but he still hasn't >>>>> responded. >>>>> I don't know what to think. >>>>> At least, I know one person, in the class, so far. >>>>> Hopefully, she can help me with this compressed video mess. >>>>> The only problem, is getting a ride home. >>>>> The disability service lady said, "students aren't responsible >>>>> for >>>>> other students' transportation." >>>>> I don't have a problem with that statement, but the person they >>>>> have, >>>>> to take me home, is the janitor. >>>>> He gets through, at 10 PM. >>>>> My class ends, at 9:20. >>>>> My mother's vision is getting bad, because of diabetes, so she >>>>> can't >>>>> drive at night, and I'm not staying till 10, especially when I >>>>> have >>>>> something to do, on Wednesdays. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >>>>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Tue Aug 23 21:13:44 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 16:13:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on compress video class References: Message-ID: <001101cc61d9$8b08d0b0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Good afternoon everyone, If anyone ever exerted power like that over me they would have Hell to pay. A few blindness professionals and others around here found that out the hard way. You're an adult not a child. Take control of your life and don't ever let anyone rule your life like that. Peter Donahue who does his best to stay away from DSS offices and their kin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:51 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Update on compress video class I'm with Arielle, I don't understand how any office on campus can ban you from asking other students for a ride. A DSO itself may not be allowed to make such a request, but you are acting on your behalf and not the behalf of the school, so there's no reason why you can't ask classmates for rides. I actually find it incredibly inappropriate that your DSO not only suggests a janitor take you home, but that it believes it is within DSO functions and rules to make such a request for a student. It's not fair to you, as the student, and it's not fair to the janitor staff, whose job requirements, I guarantee you, say nothing about acting as a taxi service for certain students. Transportation is not an accommodation any DSO has to offer or deal with. A disability services office only has to handle concerns and accommodations that directly affect and deal with your education. How you get to and from school is not its concern. They can provide suggestions, as Arielle mentions, but they can't keep you from seeking other routes different from any suggestion it makes. As a student, it is your responsibility to check out class schedules well before each semester and determine how to get to each class and round up any necessary transportation. If you don't have family or friends who can help, and no classmates can either, and the public transit is not a viable option, you will have to consider paying for a service like a taxi. Nonetheless, no one can not allow you to request a ride from fellow classmates. Regardless of what your DSO says, know it can't penalize you, or stop you, from making this request. And if, for whatever reason, your instructor won't allow you to make a request in front of the class, you can email students, or ask individually. Good luck. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:28:57 -0600 From: Arielle Silverman To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Joshua, I'm still a little confused about what the problem is with the disabilities lady. There's nothing stopping you from asking another student either for a ride, for help with understanding the video, or both. Sometimes disability services suggests a specific way to do something, like suggesting you take a ride from the janitor, but that's just a suggestion. You can absolutely do whatever you feel is best to get your accommodations even if it's not what the DSS office suggests. Maybe I misunderstood what the issue is? Arielle _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Aug 23 22:22:24 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:22:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class In-Reply-To: References: <4e53c2c7.c36a340a.4ea4.0394@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Arielle, Great point. Also, I understand that disabilities staff is only authorized to deal with in class accomodations and accessible texts. They have no business how you work out transportation. So try and make an announcement without this person in the room; if she has to be, then state you need a driver and why. With prior warning, it should be alright. I mean there is no paratransit or public transit, so you really need a driver. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:20 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class Hi Joshua, Does this lady need to be in the classroom with you and the other students? Or can you work it out so you can be in the class without her? If you do want her to be there, can you talk with her ahead of time and explain that you will be asking for a driver? Remember, it should be about what you want and need as the student, not what this individual thinks is best for you. Staff from the disabilities office aren't authorized to decide how you will get your accommodations. Best, Arielle On 8/23/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > I don't want her interrupting me, when I'm asking the question. > That's the problem. > Also, to answer Chris's question, we don't have the paratransit, or > public transportation. > DeWitt, is a rural town, in Arkansas, population 3500 people. > We're considered the rice capitol of the nation. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/23/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> Hi Joshua, >> I'm still a little confused about what the problem is with the >> disabilities lady. There's nothing stopping you from asking another >> student either for a ride, for help with understanding the video, or >> both. Sometimes disability services suggests a specific way to do >> something, like suggesting you take a ride from the janitor, but >> that's just a suggestion. You can absolutely do whatever you feel is >> best to get your accommodations even if it's not what the DSS office >> suggests. Maybe I misunderstood what the issue is? >> Arielle >> >> On 8/23/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> Hi Joshua, >>> >>> Maybe you can call your instructor's office and see if you can >>> get a hold of him that way. Sometimes that's more effective than >>> emailing, as the person on the other end of the phone has to talk >>> to you since you're there, whereas he can just delete and ignore >>> emails. As for transportation, so your DS office won't let you >>> ask another student for transportation? I understand their point, >>> but with this janitor you don't have a choice! Unless they say >>> "Absolutely not," I say still ask a student; someone you know and >>> can trust to give you transportation and be responsible. >>> Otherwise, how's public transportation and/or paratransit in your >>> community? Do you have that option? What about a college shuttle? >>> Good luck! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> >>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:54:43 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class >>> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> My compressed video class, starts tomorrow night. >>> I E-mailed my instructor, last wednesday, but he still hasn't >>> responded. >>> I don't know what to think. >>> At least, I know one person, in the class, so far. >>> Hopefully, she can help me with this compressed video mess. >>> The only problem, is getting a ride home. >>> The disability service lady said, "students aren't responsible >>> for >>> other students' transportation." >>> I don't have a problem with that statement, but the person they >>> have, >>> to take me home, is the janitor. >>> He gets through, at 10 PM. >>> My class ends, at 9:20. >>> My mother's vision is getting bad, because of diabetes, so she >>> can't >>> drive at night, and I'm not staying till 10, especially when I >>> have >>> something to do, on Wednesdays. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Aug 23 22:25:09 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:25:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class In-Reply-To: References: <4e53c2c7.c36a340a.4ea4.0394@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Ashley, that's what I plan to do. On another note, I sent you an E-mail, that you haven't responded to. Did you get it? Please E-mail me, off list. Thanks, Joshua On 8/23/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Arielle, > Great point. Also, I understand that disabilities staff is only authorized > to deal with in class accomodations and accessible texts. They have no > business how you work out transportation. So try and make an announcement > without this person in the room; if she has to be, then state you need a > driver and why. With prior warning, it should be alright. I mean there is no > paratransit or public transit, so you really need a driver. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:20 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class > > Hi Joshua, > Does this lady need to be in the classroom with you and the other > students? Or can you work it out so you can be in the class without > her? > If you do want her to be there, can you talk with her ahead of time > and explain that you will be asking for a driver? > Remember, it should be about what you want and need as the student, > not what this individual thinks is best for you. Staff from the > disabilities office aren't authorized to decide how you will get your > accommodations. > Best, > Arielle > > On 8/23/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I don't want her interrupting me, when I'm asking the question. >> That's the problem. >> Also, to answer Chris's question, we don't have the paratransit, or >> public transportation. >> DeWitt, is a rural town, in Arkansas, population 3500 people. >> We're considered the rice capitol of the nation. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 8/23/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> Hi Joshua, >>> I'm still a little confused about what the problem is with the >>> disabilities lady. There's nothing stopping you from asking another >>> student either for a ride, for help with understanding the video, or >>> both. Sometimes disability services suggests a specific way to do >>> something, like suggesting you take a ride from the janitor, but >>> that's just a suggestion. You can absolutely do whatever you feel is >>> best to get your accommodations even if it's not what the DSS office >>> suggests. Maybe I misunderstood what the issue is? >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 8/23/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>> Hi Joshua, >>>> >>>> Maybe you can call your instructor's office and see if you can >>>> get a hold of him that way. Sometimes that's more effective than >>>> emailing, as the person on the other end of the phone has to talk >>>> to you since you're there, whereas he can just delete and ignore >>>> emails. As for transportation, so your DS office won't let you >>>> ask another student for transportation? I understand their point, >>>> but with this janitor you don't have a choice! Unless they say >>>> "Absolutely not," I say still ask a student; someone you know and >>>> can trust to give you transportation and be responsible. >>>> Otherwise, how's public transportation and/or paratransit in your >>>> community? Do you have that option? What about a college shuttle? >>>> Good luck! >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>> nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National >>>> Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) >>>> >>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: >>>> www.icanfoundation.info for >>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my BrailleNote >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:54:43 -0500 >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class >>>> >>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> My compressed video class, starts tomorrow night. >>>> I E-mailed my instructor, last wednesday, but he still hasn't >>>> responded. >>>> I don't know what to think. >>>> At least, I know one person, in the class, so far. >>>> Hopefully, she can help me with this compressed video mess. >>>> The only problem, is getting a ride home. >>>> The disability service lady said, "students aren't responsible >>>> for >>>> other students' transportation." >>>> I don't have a problem with that statement, but the person they >>>> have, >>>> to take me home, is the janitor. >>>> He gets through, at 10 PM. >>>> My class ends, at 9:20. >>>> My mother's vision is getting bad, because of diabetes, so she >>>> can't >>>> drive at night, and I'm not staying till 10, especially when I >>>> have >>>> something to do, on Wednesdays. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nu >>>> sbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Aug 23 22:28:02 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 17:28:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on compress video class In-Reply-To: <001101cc61d9$8b08d0b0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <001101cc61d9$8b08d0b0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: That's exactly what I'm going to do! I'm not putting up with their mess! Blessings, Joshua On 8/23/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Good afternoon everyone, > > If anyone ever exerted power like that over me they would have Hell to pay. > A few blindness professionals and others around here found that out the hard > way. You're an adult not a child. Take control of your life and don't ever > let anyone rule your life like that. > > Peter Donahue who does his best to stay away from DSS offices and their kin. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:51 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on compress video class > > > I'm with Arielle, I don't understand how any office on campus can ban > you from asking other students for a ride. A DSO itself may not be > allowed to make such a request, but you are acting on your behalf and > not the behalf of the school, so there's no reason why you can't ask > classmates for rides. > > I actually find it incredibly inappropriate that your DSO not only > suggests a janitor take you home, but that it believes it is within DSO > functions and rules to make such a request for a student. It's not fair > to you, as the student, and it's not fair to the janitor staff, whose > job requirements, I guarantee you, say nothing about acting as a taxi > service for certain students. > > Transportation is not an accommodation any DSO has to offer or deal > with. A disability services office only has to handle concerns and > accommodations that directly affect and deal with your education. How > you get to and from school is not its concern. They can provide > suggestions, as Arielle mentions, but they can't keep you from seeking > other routes different from any suggestion it makes. > > As a student, it is your responsibility to check out class schedules > well before each semester and determine how to get to each class and > round up any necessary transportation. If you don't have family or > friends who can help, and no classmates can either, and the public > transit is not a viable option, you will have to consider paying for a > service like a taxi. > > Nonetheless, no one can not allow you to request a ride from fellow > classmates. Regardless of what your DSO says, know it can't penalize > you, or stop you, from making this request. And if, for whatever > reason, your instructor won't allow you to make a request in front of > the class, you can email students, or ask individually. > > Good luck. > > Sincerely, > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:28:57 -0600 > From: Arielle Silverman > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Joshua, > I'm still a little confused about what the problem is with the > disabilities lady. There's nothing stopping you from asking another > student either for a ride, for help with understanding the video, or > both. Sometimes disability services suggests a specific way to do > something, like suggesting you take a ride from the janitor, but that's > just a suggestion. You can absolutely do whatever you feel is best to > get your accommodations even if it's not what the DSS office suggests. > Maybe I misunderstood what the issue is? Arielle > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 15:51:34 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:51:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: National Federation of the Blind Urges Maryland Libraries to Purchase Accessible E-readers In-Reply-To: <110D74BBF06B4E2C86632A507CB95CC1@nfb.org> References: <110D74BBF06B4E2C86632A507CB95CC1@nfb.org> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: National Federation of the Blind Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:15:46 -0400 Subject: National Federation of the Blind Urges Maryland Libraries to Purchase Accessible E-readers To: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org National Federation of the Blind Urges Maryland Libraries to Purchase Accessible E-readers Baltimore, Maryland (August 24, 2011): The National Federation of the Blind, the nation's leading advocate for accessible technology, sent letters today to the Enoch Pratt Free Library and the Howard County Library System urging these libraries to purchase e-book readers that can be used by the blind. The libraries are currently lending Barnes & Noble's NOOK device to patrons, but this device-unlike some other e-book readers and platforms-cannot be used by the blind or others who cannot read print. E-readers can be made accessible through text-to-speech technology and/or the ability to output content to external Braille displays, but the NOOK does not have any of these features. Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: "E-books and the devices with which to read them present a historic opportunity for blind readers to have access to the same books at the same time as sighted readers, but only if publishers and manufacturers design their products in a way that allows access by blind and print-disabled readers. It is disturbing that institutions committed to free access to information for everyone would purchase e-readers that cannot be used by all of their patrons when technology that would serve everyone, including those who are blind or print-disabled, is readily available. We hope that our Maryland libraries will honor their legal and moral obligation to provide equal access to their blind patrons and send a clear message to publishers and technology vendors that access to information and literature is critical for all Americans, not just those who can read print." ### About the National Federation of the Blind With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the United States. The NFB improves blind people's lives through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and self-confidence. It is the leading force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind. Unsubscribe . -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 15:54:12 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:54:12 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] More Ideas Needed for my Research Project Message-ID: Hi all, As I've mentioned here a few times, i'm doing a research project for my Ph.D. dissertation investigating how disability simulations affect nondisabled people's attitudes toward people with disabilities. In the experiment I'm developing now, we want to compare a standard blindness simulation (where people put on sleepshades and have to do some basic tasks) with an enhanced simulation where people learn very basic nonvisual techniques for handling the tasks. We want to show people in the enhanced simulation condition that the tasks are more manageable with the nonvisual techniques, and see if that makes them more able to appreciate the adjustment that real blind people experience through time and training. We need ideas for simple tasks that sighted people could do blindfolded by using a nonvisual method that they can learn fast without much practice. For example, one of our tasks is pouring a glass of water as full as possible without spilling; in the enhanced simulation condition, we will teach the participants to use their finger as a guide to know when the glass is full. We also want to incorporate some very basic cane travel and teach participants to either use a sound cue (i.e. a fan) as a navigational aid, count doors on one side of the hallway, or both. Can any of you think of a third task that's (a) possible but tough to do blindfolded and (b) possible to do better with a nonvisual technique that's simple and easy to learn? Thanks! Arielle From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 16:49:59 2011 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:49:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] More Ideas Needed for my Research Project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Arielle, As I have said before, this is a very interesting study! I can't really think of a third task at the moment, but for the cane travel task, I thought that an interesting alternative may be teaching blindfolded participants how to navigate going up or down steps with a ccane. As you must know from experience, there is a common misconception that blind people can not use stairs safely and will easily fall, so showing the participants that this can be effectively done with the use of a cane may bring a more significant increase in their appreciation of what blind people can learn through training. The use of sound cues is also a good one, although the counting-door technique seems a bit too intuitive to me. Hope this helps! Katie On 8/24/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > As I've mentioned here a few times, i'm doing a research project for > my Ph.D. dissertation investigating how disability simulations affect > nondisabled people's attitudes toward people with disabilities. In the > experiment I'm developing now, we want to compare a standard blindness > simulation (where people put on sleepshades and have to do some basic > tasks) with an enhanced simulation where people learn very basic > nonvisual techniques for handling the tasks. We want to show people in > the enhanced simulation condition that the tasks are more manageable > with the nonvisual techniques, and see if that makes them more able to > appreciate the adjustment that real blind people experience through > time and training. We need ideas for simple tasks that sighted people > could do blindfolded by using a nonvisual method that they can learn > fast without much practice. For example, one of our tasks is pouring a > glass of water as full as possible without spilling; in the enhanced > simulation condition, we will teach the participants to use their > finger as a guide to know when the glass is full. We also want to > incorporate some very basic cane travel and teach participants to > either use a sound cue (i.e. a fan) as a navigational aid, count doors > on one side of the hallway, or both. Can any of you think of a third > task that's (a) possible but tough to do blindfolded and (b) possible > to do better with a nonvisual technique that's simple and easy to > learn? > Thanks! > Arielle > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From jty727 at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 17:44:58 2011 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:44:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] More Ideas Needed for my Research Project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arielle, I hope your studies have gone great since they all sound interesting. For 6 consecutive years I did a program at my former high school about blindness where we did some minor Braille skills which all thought very interesting. Then the part which people asked every year for me to do was the cane travel portion. I would show them how to use a cane first and then once they got the hang of it we did an obstical course. We started out with just a few desks in a path of sort which it took people longer than others and then we did bigger which was the whole school including going upstairs. Hope some of these ideas help you. Justin On 8/24/11, Katie Wang wrote: > Hi, Arielle, > As I have said before, this is a very interesting study! I can't > really think of a third task at the moment, but for the cane travel > task, I thought that an interesting alternative may be teaching > blindfolded participants how to navigate going up or down steps with a > ccane. As you must know from experience, there is a common > misconception that blind people can not use stairs safely and will > easily fall, so showing the participants that this can be effectively > done with the use of a cane may bring a more significant increase in > their appreciation of what blind people can learn through training. > The use of sound cues is also a good one, although the counting-door > technique seems a bit too intuitive to me. > Hope this helps! > Katie > > > On 8/24/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> Hi all, >> As I've mentioned here a few times, i'm doing a research project for >> my Ph.D. dissertation investigating how disability simulations affect >> nondisabled people's attitudes toward people with disabilities. In the >> experiment I'm developing now, we want to compare a standard blindness >> simulation (where people put on sleepshades and have to do some basic >> tasks) with an enhanced simulation where people learn very basic >> nonvisual techniques for handling the tasks. We want to show people in >> the enhanced simulation condition that the tasks are more manageable >> with the nonvisual techniques, and see if that makes them more able to >> appreciate the adjustment that real blind people experience through >> time and training. We need ideas for simple tasks that sighted people >> could do blindfolded by using a nonvisual method that they can learn >> fast without much practice. For example, one of our tasks is pouring a >> glass of water as full as possible without spilling; in the enhanced >> simulation condition, we will teach the participants to use their >> finger as a guide to know when the glass is full. We also want to >> incorporate some very basic cane travel and teach participants to >> either use a sound cue (i.e. a fan) as a navigational aid, count doors >> on one side of the hallway, or both. Can any of you think of a third >> task that's (a) possible but tough to do blindfolded and (b) possible >> to do better with a nonvisual technique that's simple and easy to >> learn? >> Thanks! >> Arielle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 17:51:05 2011 From: wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com (keri) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:51:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] schools Message-ID: <4EF7E75174C74753893016F53B8CFCF7@klhurstl1> I'm looking to hear of personal experiences with colleges. what college did you attend, your major, how was the accessibleness for you, and how were disability services there. keri "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak my heart." --Robert Sexton "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it." --Ivan Panin Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. From carlymih at earthlink.net Wed Aug 24 22:17:43 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:17:43 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] schools In-Reply-To: <4EF7E75174C74753893016F53B8CFCF7@klhurstl1> References: <4EF7E75174C74753893016F53B8CFCF7@klhurstl1> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110824151420.01d42260@earthlink.net> Good afternoon, keri, I am proud to say that, the community college I attend, in Berkeley, California is second to none, in terms of accessability. This may be due to the stiflingly politically correct nature, of this community but, even despite so-called budget cuts, I am rarely made to go without service, in this regard. At 10:51 AM 8/24/2011, keri wrote: >I'm looking to hear of personal experiences with colleges. >what college did you attend, your major, how was the accessibleness >for you, and how were disability services there. >keri > >"Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my >eyes will speak my heart." >--Robert Sexton > >"For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is >a heart somewhere to receive it." >--Ivan Panin > >Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart >& put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 23:17:03 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:17:03 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] schools In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110824151420.01d42260@earthlink.net> References: <4EF7E75174C74753893016F53B8CFCF7@klhurstl1> <7.0.1.0.2.20110824151420.01d42260@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Keri, for the benifit of those giving you this information, is this to help you get an idea of what college to consider attending? Best, Darian On 8/24/11, Carly wrote: > > Good afternoon, keri, > > I am proud to say that, the community college I attend, in > Berkeley, California is second to none, in terms of accessability. > > This may be due to the stiflingly politically correct nature, of this > community but, even despite so-called budget cuts, I am rarely made > to go without service, in this regard. At 10:51 AM 8/24/2011, keri wrote: >>I'm looking to hear of personal experiences with colleges. >>what college did you attend, your major, how was the accessibleness >>for you, and how were disability services there. >>keri >> >>"Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my >>eyes will speak my heart." >>--Robert Sexton >> >>"For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is >>a heart somewhere to receive it." >>--Ivan Panin >> >>Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart >>& put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > -- Darian Smith "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr. From wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 02:26:35 2011 From: wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com (keri) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:26:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] schools References: <4EF7E75174C74753893016F53B8CFCF7@klhurstl1><7.0.1.0.2.20110824151420.01d42260@earthlink.net> Message-ID: i'm wanting to know the issues others have faced... i just had to make a hard decition to leave a school... and at this point i'm stepping back to calm and get over the situation, and take others advice before i try again. keri "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak my heart." --Robert Sexton "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it." --Ivan Panin Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darian Smith" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] schools > Hi Keri, > for the benifit of those giving you this information, is this to > help you get an idea of what college to consider attending? > Best, > Darian > > On 8/24/11, Carly wrote: >> >> Good afternoon, keri, >> >> I am proud to say that, the community college I attend, in >> Berkeley, California is second to none, in terms of accessability. >> >> This may be due to the stiflingly politically correct nature, of this >> community but, even despite so-called budget cuts, I am rarely made >> to go without service, in this regard. At 10:51 AM 8/24/2011, keri >> wrote: >>>I'm looking to hear of personal experiences with colleges. >>>what college did you attend, your major, how was the accessibleness >>>for you, and how were disability services there. >>>keri >>> >>>"Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my >>>eyes will speak my heart." >>>--Robert Sexton >>> >>>"For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>>truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is >>>a heart somewhere to receive it." >>>--Ivan Panin >>> >>>Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart >>>& put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Darian Smith > > "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that > matter." > - Martin Luther King, Jr. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Aug 25 02:42:52 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:42:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] schools In-Reply-To: References: <4EF7E75174C74753893016F53B8CFCF7@klhurstl1> <7.0.1.0.2.20110824151420.01d42260@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Keri, it's Joshua Lester. I'm sending you an E-mail, off list. What school did you attend? Blessings, Joshua On 8/24/11, keri wrote: > i'm wanting to know the issues others have faced... i just had to make a > hard decition to leave a school... and at this point i'm stepping back to > calm and get over the situation, and take others advice before i try again. > keri > > "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to > say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak > my heart." > --Robert Sexton > > "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there > is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to > receive it." > --Ivan Panin > > Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it > back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Darian Smith" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:17 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] schools > > >> Hi Keri, >> for the benifit of those giving you this information, is this to >> help you get an idea of what college to consider attending? >> Best, >> Darian >> >> On 8/24/11, Carly wrote: >>> >>> Good afternoon, keri, >>> >>> I am proud to say that, the community college I attend, in >>> Berkeley, California is second to none, in terms of accessability. >>> >>> This may be due to the stiflingly politically correct nature, of this >>> community but, even despite so-called budget cuts, I am rarely made >>> to go without service, in this regard. At 10:51 AM 8/24/2011, keri >>> wrote: >>>>I'm looking to hear of personal experiences with colleges. >>>>what college did you attend, your major, how was the accessibleness >>>>for you, and how were disability services there. >>>>keri >>>> >>>>"Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I >>>>want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my >>>>eyes will speak my heart." >>>>--Robert Sexton >>>> >>>>"For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every >>>>truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is >>>>a heart somewhere to receive it." >>>>--Ivan Panin >>>> >>>>Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart >>>>& put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Darian Smith >> >> "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that >> matter." >> - Martin Luther King, Jr. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Aug 25 03:18:35 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 23:18:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] schools In-Reply-To: <4EF7E75174C74753893016F53B8CFCF7@klhurstl1> References: <4EF7E75174C74753893016F53B8CFCF7@klhurstl1> Message-ID: <416377EB9E304CECB5AD6146A8BE0ECC@OwnerPC> Kerri, Your questions are very broad and one could write a book on college experiences. I don't have too much time, but I'll try and summarize my experience and answer your questions. Selecting a college should be based on how you like the school; do you want a large school or a small school and small classes? Do you want one with diversity? A religious private school adhereing to your beliefs? I recommend touring a school and even visiting a few classes if you can. See how you like it. Of course the school may be determined on who accepts you. But if several schools accept you, you can choose. Also, I recommend having the solid academic skills; if your grades are only average, you may want to attend a community college to start. College admission is very competetive now. Some scores accept the SAT, others the ACT, and some don't require any scores. You do not want to get to college and struggle with the basics that they assume you have. Also, have a way to take notes, have good computer skills, and if you live in a dorm know how to do laundry, hang clothes, make a bed, and other basic daily tasks. You will need computer skills such as typing in Word, basic formatting in Word like Bold, centering, spell checking etc. Know the internet and email too. I say this because such skills help you in college. No one is perfect and other life skills will be practiced and sharpened in college. I mean such skills as planning a schedule; I used my braille note calendar for that. Also notetaking and test taking skills are important. You should be a good advocate to your professor; communication skills are important too. And, finally, if you live in a dorm, you'll want to go out with friends or shopping alone and maybe out to eat; so have a system to identify money. If your parents can assist you in getting a bank account and a debit card, this will help a lot. So what college did I go to? I attended George Mason University as a commuter; I heard some nasty things went on in the dorms and did not have the confidence to walk so far from the dorm, so I wanted to commute. I transferred to a small school, Marymount university, and liked it there. I had a roommate on campus some semesters and experience the ups and downs of a public bathroom. What was my major? I couldn't decide; I tried to be an education major and got too discouraged. I was a liberal studies major; so a general BA degree focussing on psychology and communication. How were disability services? At GMU they were huge; the DSO was large and more impersonal. You met with a counselor and filled out an accomodation form and took a copy to your professors. GMU provided more services, but when they scanned texts it was not always efficient; I'd get the text after I needed it; but they improved since I left. Accomodations included: accessible texts via electronic format or Learning Ally, testing accomodations such as extended time and alternative formats including braille, copies of professor's notes and handouts that he/she showed to the class, human notetakers, and computers with adaptive software like jaws. At MU it was only one DSO counselor and she really new students by name. They had less services. I was not able to get braille tests; they said the equipment was too expensive. But they did procure jaws for the library. I worked out accomodations with professors though and did not run into much trouble. My hardest thing in college was access to textbooks and research. The library had a wealth of material such as encyclopedias, reference books, periodicals, etc which is not accessible. I used readers to get me through those research tasks. At MU services were: accessible texts if available, testing accomodations, electronic handouts from the professors, human notetakers, and adaptive software on the public computers. They put jaws in the library and one computer lab. So college is tough, but its hard for any student. I found the pace of classes rather stressful. I even got extentions on some papers occasionally. But some classes were very interesting and some professors could be entertaining. I enjoyed the class discussions too. It fostered my thinking skills and gave me some new perspective on an issue or topic. I suggest finding a major you like and one that will prepare you with skills for your desired career. If you do not know what you wish to study, you can go undeclared for a year or two. Another suggestion is if you are caught between two majors, either do both or decide on your best one; take some classes in both areas and talk to those students in those majors. This way you can get a feel for the work involved in that area of study. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: keri Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 1:51 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] schools I'm looking to hear of personal experiences with colleges. what college did you attend, your major, how was the accessibleness for you, and how were disability services there. keri "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak my heart." --Robert Sexton "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it." --Ivan Panin Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From colorado.students at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 03:19:59 2011 From: colorado.students at gmail.com (colorado students) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:19:59 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Attention blind students in colorado. Message-ID: <7C77333288BF41AD958D19145574C457@melissa> There will be a Colorado asociation of blind students(CaBS) conference call Sunday august 28, 2011 at 6:30PM. Hopefully if we start earlier we can be done early. We will plan our seminars for the upcoming months. This includes state convention. The places that we have discussed having our next seminar at: are grand junction, southern colorado, DU, and Fort Collins. The number to call in is as follows. > 605-475-6006 > and the code to enter is: > 587726 Hope to see you all on the call. From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 04:03:33 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 21:03:33 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Colorado center for the blind and recent earthquake Message-ID: <491650F8C2494033B74955FD729D4724@HumbertoAvila> Hello nabs, Are you ever wondering how the Colorado Center for the Blind students are dealing with the recent earthquake that took place just yesterday? they said that it was quite scary and it's the first one on the east coast. I'm just curious myself. Let's hope no one is hurt. -- Humberto Avila Please consider the environment Before Printing this email. From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 04:32:54 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:32:54 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] schools In-Reply-To: <416377EB9E304CECB5AD6146A8BE0ECC@OwnerPC> References: <4EF7E75174C74753893016F53B8CFCF7@klhurstl1> <416377EB9E304CECB5AD6146A8BE0ECC@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Kerri, Would you be willing to tell us what happened? Depending on what it was, we might be able to suggest some things you can do to avoid having it happen again, regardless of what school you decide to attend. As blind students, there are a number of things we can do to plan ahead and be able to get the best possible education regardless of the school's attitudes toward blind students. Best, Arielle On 8/24/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Kerri, > Your questions are very broad and one could write a book on college > experiences. > I don't have too much time, but I'll try and summarize my experience and > answer your questions. > > Selecting a college should be based on how you like the school; do you want > a large school or a small school and small classes? Do you want one with > diversity? A religious private school adhereing to your beliefs? I > recommend touring a school and even visiting a few classes if you can. See > how you like it. Of course the school may be determined on who accepts > you. But if several schools accept you, you can choose. > Also, I recommend having the solid academic skills; if your grades are only > average, you may want to attend a community college to start. College > admission is very competetive now. Some scores accept the SAT, others the > ACT, and some don't require any scores. > You do not want to get to college and struggle with the basics that they > assume you have. > Also, have a way to take notes, have good computer skills, and if you live > in a dorm know how to do laundry, hang clothes, make a bed, and other basic > daily tasks. You will need computer skills such as typing in Word, basic > formatting in Word like Bold, centering, spell checking etc. Know the > internet and email too. > > I say this because such skills help you in college. No one is perfect and > other life skills will be practiced and sharpened in college. I mean such > skills as planning a schedule; I used my braille note calendar for that. > Also notetaking and test taking skills are important. You should be a good > advocate to your professor; communication skills are important too. And, > finally, if you live in a dorm, you'll want to go out with friends or > shopping alone and maybe out to eat; so have a system to identify money. If > your parents can assist you in getting a bank account and a debit card, > this will help a lot. > > So what college did I go to? I attended George Mason University as a > commuter; I heard some nasty things went on in the dorms and did not have > the confidence to walk so far from the dorm, so I wanted to commute. I > transferred to a small school, Marymount university, and liked it there. I > had a roommate on campus some semesters and experience the ups and downs of > a public bathroom. > What was my major? > I couldn't decide; I tried to be an education major and got too discouraged. > I was a > liberal studies major; so a general BA degree focussing on psychology and > communication. > > How were disability services? At GMU they were huge; the DSO was large and > more impersonal. You met with a counselor and filled out an accomodation > form and took a copy to your professors. > GMU provided more services, but when they scanned texts it was not always > efficient; I'd get the text after I needed it; but they improved since I > left. > Accomodations included: accessible texts via electronic format or Learning > Ally, testing accomodations such as extended time and alternative formats > including braille, copies of professor's notes and handouts that he/she > showed to the class, human notetakers, and computers with adaptive software > like jaws. > > At MU it was only one DSO counselor and she really new students by name. > They had less services. I was not able to get braille tests; they said the > equipment was too expensive. But they did procure jaws for the library. > I worked out accomodations with professors though and did not run into much > trouble. My hardest thing in college was access to textbooks and research. > The library had a wealth of material such as encyclopedias, reference books, > periodicals, etc which is not accessible. > I used readers to get me through those research tasks. > At MU services were: accessible texts if available, testing accomodations, > electronic handouts from the professors, human notetakers, and adaptive > software on the public computers. They put jaws in the library and one > computer lab. > > So college is tough, but its hard for any student. I found the pace of > classes rather stressful. I even got extentions on some papers occasionally. > But some classes were very interesting and some professors could be > entertaining. I enjoyed the class discussions too. It fostered my thinking > skills and gave me some new perspective on an issue or topic. > I suggest finding a major you like and one that will prepare you with skills > for your desired career. If you do not know what you wish to study, you can > go undeclared for a year or two. Another suggestion is if you are caught > between two majors, either do both or decide on your best one; take some > classes in both areas and talk to those students in those majors. > This way you can get a feel for the work involved in that area of study. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: keri > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 1:51 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] schools > > I'm looking to hear of personal experiences with colleges. > what college did you attend, your major, how was the accessibleness for you, > and how were disability services there. > keri > > "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to > say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak > my heart." > --Robert Sexton > > "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there > is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to > receive it." > --Ivan Panin > > Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it > back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 04:55:54 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 22:55:54 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Colorado center for the blind and recent earthquake Message-ID: <4e55d60b.42bbec0a.4c84.1215@mx.google.com> I'm a CCB alumnus. My roommate was wondering about the earthquuakes. She will be in WV soon to get something. Anyway, I think the CCB students are doing fine. Thankfully, Trinidad was hit by the quake and not the Denver metro area. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Humberto Avila" <416377EB9E304CECB5AD6146A8BE0ECC@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <9185D7D4A3FC4A4AA4BFC489F949867B@klhurstl1> I had had mixed opinions about this school, and i really feel that i rushed into the school before i fully did my research, but they were so unorganized and disability services were so rude. keri "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak my heart." --Robert Sexton "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it." --Ivan Panin Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] schools > Hi Kerri, > Would you be willing to tell us what happened? Depending on what it > was, we might be able to suggest some things you can do to avoid > having it happen again, regardless of what school you decide to > attend. As blind students, there are a number of things we can do to > plan ahead and be able to get the best possible education regardless > of the school's attitudes toward blind students. > Best, > Arielle > > On 8/24/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >> Kerri, >> Your questions are very broad and one could write a book on college >> experiences. >> I don't have too much time, but I'll try and summarize my experience and >> answer your questions. >> >> Selecting a college should be based on how you like the school; do you >> want >> a large school or a small school and small classes? Do you want one with >> diversity? A religious private school adhereing to your beliefs? I >> recommend touring a school and even visiting a few classes if you can. >> See >> how you like it. Of course the school may be determined on who accepts >> you. But if several schools accept you, you can choose. >> Also, I recommend having the solid academic skills; if your grades are >> only >> average, you may want to attend a community college to start. College >> admission is very competetive now. Some scores accept the SAT, others >> the >> ACT, and some don't require any scores. >> You do not want to get to college and struggle with the basics that they >> assume you have. >> Also, have a way to take notes, have good computer skills, and if you >> live >> in a dorm know how to do laundry, hang clothes, make a bed, and other >> basic >> daily tasks. You will need computer skills such as typing in Word, basic >> formatting in Word like Bold, centering, spell checking etc. Know the >> internet and email too. >> >> I say this because such skills help you in college. No one is perfect and >> other life skills will be practiced and sharpened in college. I mean >> such >> skills as planning a schedule; I used my braille note calendar for that. >> Also notetaking and test taking skills are important. You should be a >> good >> advocate to your professor; communication skills are important too. And, >> finally, if you live in a dorm, you'll want to go out with friends or >> shopping alone and maybe out to eat; so have a system to identify money. >> If >> your parents can assist you in getting a bank account and a debit card, >> this will help a lot. >> >> So what college did I go to? I attended George Mason University as a >> commuter; I heard some nasty things went on in the dorms and did not >> have >> the confidence to walk so far from the dorm, so I wanted to commute. I >> transferred to a small school, Marymount university, and liked it there. >> I >> had a roommate on campus some semesters and experience the ups and downs >> of >> a public bathroom. >> What was my major? >> I couldn't decide; I tried to be an education major and got too >> discouraged. >> I was a >> liberal studies major; so a general BA degree focussing on psychology and >> communication. >> >> How were disability services? At GMU they were huge; the DSO was large >> and >> more impersonal. You met with a counselor and filled out an accomodation >> form and took a copy to your professors. >> GMU provided more services, but when they scanned texts it was not always >> efficient; I'd get the text after I needed it; but they improved since I >> left. >> Accomodations included: accessible texts via electronic format or >> Learning >> Ally, testing accomodations such as extended time and alternative formats >> including braille, copies of professor's notes and handouts that he/she >> showed to the class, human notetakers, and computers with adaptive >> software >> like jaws. >> >> At MU it was only one DSO counselor and she really new students by name. >> They had less services. I was not able to get braille tests; they said >> the >> equipment was too expensive. But they did procure jaws for the library. >> I worked out accomodations with professors though and did not run into >> much >> trouble. My hardest thing in college was access to textbooks and >> research. >> The library had a wealth of material such as encyclopedias, reference >> books, >> periodicals, etc which is not accessible. >> I used readers to get me through those research tasks. >> At MU services were: accessible texts if available, testing >> accomodations, >> electronic handouts from the professors, human notetakers, and adaptive >> software on the public computers. They put jaws in the library and one >> computer lab. >> >> So college is tough, but its hard for any student. I found the pace of >> classes rather stressful. I even got extentions on some papers >> occasionally. >> But some classes were very interesting and some professors could be >> entertaining. I enjoyed the class discussions too. It fostered my >> thinking >> skills and gave me some new perspective on an issue or topic. >> I suggest finding a major you like and one that will prepare you with >> skills >> for your desired career. If you do not know what you wish to study, you >> can >> go undeclared for a year or two. Another suggestion is if you are caught >> between two majors, either do both or decide on your best one; take some >> classes in both areas and talk to those students in those majors. >> This way you can get a feel for the work involved in that area of study. >> >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- >> From: keri >> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 1:51 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] schools >> >> I'm looking to hear of personal experiences with colleges. >> what college did you attend, your major, how was the accessibleness for >> you, >> and how were disability services there. >> keri >> >> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >> to >> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >> speak >> my heart." >> --Robert Sexton >> >> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >> there >> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere >> to >> receive it." >> --Ivan Panin >> >> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >> it >> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com From carlymih at earthlink.net Thu Aug 25 14:04:37 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:04:37 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] More Ideas Needed for my Research Project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110825065350.01ce3d28@earthlink.net> I'm so sick of the albeit well meaning folks who say, when I request the stairs at school, "Are you sure you would like the stairs, not the elevator?" I always say something like, "yea," I can walk alright... I'm just stone blind." people invariably are sort of baffled but usually, do accommodate. > wrote: > > Hi all, > > As I've mentioned here a few times, i'm doing a research project for > > my Ph.D. dissertation investigating how disability simulations affect > > nondisabled people's attitudes toward people with disabilities. In the > > experiment I'm developing now, we want to compare a standard blindness > > simulation (where people put on sleepshades and have to do some basic > > tasks) with an enhanced simulation where people learn very basic > > nonvisual techniques for handling the tasks. We want to show people in > > the enhanced simulation condition that the tasks are more manageable > > with the nonvisual techniques, and see if that makes them more able to > > appreciate the adjustment that real blind people experience through > > time and training. We need ideas for simple tasks that sighted people > > could do blindfolded by using a nonvisual method that they can learn > > fast without much practice. For example, one of our tasks is pouring a > > glass of water as full as possible without spilling; in the enhanced > > simulation condition, we will teach the participants to use their > > finger as a guide to know when the glass is full. We also want to > > incorporate some very basic cane travel and teach participants to > > either use a sound cue (i.e. a fan) as a navigational aid, count doors > > on one side of the hallway, or both. Can any of you think of a third > > task that's (a) possible but tough to do blindfolded and (b) possible > > to do better with a nonvisual technique that's simple and easy to > > learn? > > Thanks! > > Arielle > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 15:26:50 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 11:26:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] More Ideas Needed for my Research Project Message-ID: <4e5669be.cd6bdc0a.54a2.0b09@mx.google.com> Hi Arielle, How about cutting? It's tough to do blindfolded, even when the sighted person already knows how to cut (when I was learning, my parents tried it a couple times and found it hard to do with their eyes closed,) but it would be easier to do with a nonvisual technique (i.e. feeling the food to know where to stab into it with the fork, or listening for your knife to touch the plate so you know when you're done cutting.) Would this be too hard for your purposes? If you have any questions, please let me know. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote ----- Original Message ----- From: Arielle Silverman References: <4EF7E75174C74753893016F53B8CFCF7@klhurstl1> <416377EB9E304CECB5AD6146A8BE0ECC@OwnerPC> <9185D7D4A3FC4A4AA4BFC489F949867B@klhurstl1> Message-ID: Keri, it's Joshua Lester. I E-mailed you, yesterday. Please respond. Thanks, Joshua On 8/25/11, keri wrote: > I had had mixed opinions about this school, and i really feel that i rushed > into the school before i fully did my research, but they were so unorganized > and disability services were so rude. > keri > > "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to > say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak > my heart." > --Robert Sexton > > "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there > is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to > receive it." > --Ivan Panin > > Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it > back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arielle Silverman" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 12:32 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] schools > > >> Hi Kerri, >> Would you be willing to tell us what happened? Depending on what it >> was, we might be able to suggest some things you can do to avoid >> having it happen again, regardless of what school you decide to >> attend. As blind students, there are a number of things we can do to >> plan ahead and be able to get the best possible education regardless >> of the school's attitudes toward blind students. >> Best, >> Arielle >> >> On 8/24/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>> Kerri, >>> Your questions are very broad and one could write a book on college >>> experiences. >>> I don't have too much time, but I'll try and summarize my experience and >>> answer your questions. >>> >>> Selecting a college should be based on how you like the school; do you >>> want >>> a large school or a small school and small classes? Do you want one with >>> diversity? A religious private school adhereing to your beliefs? I >>> recommend touring a school and even visiting a few classes if you can. >>> See >>> how you like it. Of course the school may be determined on who accepts >>> you. But if several schools accept you, you can choose. >>> Also, I recommend having the solid academic skills; if your grades are >>> only >>> average, you may want to attend a community college to start. College >>> admission is very competetive now. Some scores accept the SAT, others >>> the >>> ACT, and some don't require any scores. >>> You do not want to get to college and struggle with the basics that they >>> assume you have. >>> Also, have a way to take notes, have good computer skills, and if you >>> live >>> in a dorm know how to do laundry, hang clothes, make a bed, and other >>> basic >>> daily tasks. You will need computer skills such as typing in Word, basic >>> formatting in Word like Bold, centering, spell checking etc. Know the >>> internet and email too. >>> >>> I say this because such skills help you in college. No one is perfect and >>> other life skills will be practiced and sharpened in college. I mean >>> such >>> skills as planning a schedule; I used my braille note calendar for that. >>> Also notetaking and test taking skills are important. You should be a >>> good >>> advocate to your professor; communication skills are important too. And, >>> finally, if you live in a dorm, you'll want to go out with friends or >>> shopping alone and maybe out to eat; so have a system to identify money. >>> If >>> your parents can assist you in getting a bank account and a debit card, >>> this will help a lot. >>> >>> So what college did I go to? I attended George Mason University as a >>> commuter; I heard some nasty things went on in the dorms and did not >>> have >>> the confidence to walk so far from the dorm, so I wanted to commute. I >>> transferred to a small school, Marymount university, and liked it there. >>> I >>> had a roommate on campus some semesters and experience the ups and downs >>> of >>> a public bathroom. >>> What was my major? >>> I couldn't decide; I tried to be an education major and got too >>> discouraged. >>> I was a >>> liberal studies major; so a general BA degree focussing on psychology and >>> communication. >>> >>> How were disability services? At GMU they were huge; the DSO was large >>> and >>> more impersonal. You met with a counselor and filled out an accomodation >>> form and took a copy to your professors. >>> GMU provided more services, but when they scanned texts it was not always >>> efficient; I'd get the text after I needed it; but they improved since I >>> left. >>> Accomodations included: accessible texts via electronic format or >>> Learning >>> Ally, testing accomodations such as extended time and alternative formats >>> including braille, copies of professor's notes and handouts that he/she >>> showed to the class, human notetakers, and computers with adaptive >>> software >>> like jaws. >>> >>> At MU it was only one DSO counselor and she really new students by name. >>> They had less services. I was not able to get braille tests; they said >>> the >>> equipment was too expensive. But they did procure jaws for the library. >>> I worked out accomodations with professors though and did not run into >>> much >>> trouble. My hardest thing in college was access to textbooks and >>> research. >>> The library had a wealth of material such as encyclopedias, reference >>> books, >>> periodicals, etc which is not accessible. >>> I used readers to get me through those research tasks. >>> At MU services were: accessible texts if available, testing >>> accomodations, >>> electronic handouts from the professors, human notetakers, and adaptive >>> software on the public computers. They put jaws in the library and one >>> computer lab. >>> >>> So college is tough, but its hard for any student. I found the pace of >>> classes rather stressful. I even got extentions on some papers >>> occasionally. >>> But some classes were very interesting and some professors could be >>> entertaining. I enjoyed the class discussions too. It fostered my >>> thinking >>> skills and gave me some new perspective on an issue or topic. >>> I suggest finding a major you like and one that will prepare you with >>> skills >>> for your desired career. If you do not know what you wish to study, you >>> can >>> go undeclared for a year or two. Another suggestion is if you are caught >>> between two majors, either do both or decide on your best one; take some >>> classes in both areas and talk to those students in those majors. >>> This way you can get a feel for the work involved in that area of study. >>> >>> Ashley >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: keri >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 1:51 PM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [nabs-l] schools >>> >>> I'm looking to hear of personal experiences with colleges. >>> what college did you attend, your major, how was the accessibleness for >>> you, >>> and how were disability services there. >>> keri >>> >>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>> to >>> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>> speak >>> my heart." >>> --Robert Sexton >>> >>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>> there >>> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere >>> >>> to >>> receive it." >>> --Ivan Panin >>> >>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >>> >>> it >>> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From trey.lewis33 at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 21:26:51 2011 From: trey.lewis33 at gmail.com (Trey Lewis) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:26:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] schools In-Reply-To: References: <4EF7E75174C74753893016F53B8CFCF7@klhurstl1> <416377EB9E304CECB5AD6146A8BE0ECC@OwnerPC> <9185D7D4A3FC4A4AA4BFC489F949867B@klhurstl1> Message-ID: stop On 8/25/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Keri, it's Joshua Lester. > I E-mailed you, yesterday. > Please respond. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 8/25/11, keri wrote: >> I had had mixed opinions about this school, and i really feel that i >> rushed >> into the school before i fully did my research, but they were so >> unorganized >> and disability services were so rude. >> keri >> >> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >> to >> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >> speak >> my heart." >> --Robert Sexton >> >> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >> there >> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere >> to >> receive it." >> --Ivan Panin >> >> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put >> it >> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Arielle Silverman" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 12:32 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] schools >> >> >>> Hi Kerri, >>> Would you be willing to tell us what happened? Depending on what it >>> was, we might be able to suggest some things you can do to avoid >>> having it happen again, regardless of what school you decide to >>> attend. As blind students, there are a number of things we can do to >>> plan ahead and be able to get the best possible education regardless >>> of the school's attitudes toward blind students. >>> Best, >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 8/24/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>>> Kerri, >>>> Your questions are very broad and one could write a book on college >>>> experiences. >>>> I don't have too much time, but I'll try and summarize my experience and >>>> answer your questions. >>>> >>>> Selecting a college should be based on how you like the school; do you >>>> want >>>> a large school or a small school and small classes? Do you want one >>>> with >>>> diversity? A religious private school adhereing to your beliefs? I >>>> recommend touring a school and even visiting a few classes if you can. >>>> See >>>> how you like it. Of course the school may be determined on who accepts >>>> you. But if several schools accept you, you can choose. >>>> Also, I recommend having the solid academic skills; if your grades are >>>> only >>>> average, you may want to attend a community college to start. College >>>> admission is very competetive now. Some scores accept the SAT, others >>>> the >>>> ACT, and some don't require any scores. >>>> You do not want to get to college and struggle with the basics that they >>>> assume you have. >>>> Also, have a way to take notes, have good computer skills, and if you >>>> live >>>> in a dorm know how to do laundry, hang clothes, make a bed, and other >>>> basic >>>> daily tasks. You will need computer skills such as typing in Word, basic >>>> formatting in Word like Bold, centering, spell checking etc. Know the >>>> internet and email too. >>>> >>>> I say this because such skills help you in college. No one is perfect >>>> and >>>> other life skills will be practiced and sharpened in college. I mean >>>> such >>>> skills as planning a schedule; I used my braille note calendar for that. >>>> Also notetaking and test taking skills are important. You should be a >>>> good >>>> advocate to your professor; communication skills are important too. And, >>>> finally, if you live in a dorm, you'll want to go out with friends or >>>> shopping alone and maybe out to eat; so have a system to identify money. >>>> If >>>> your parents can assist you in getting a bank account and a debit card, >>>> this will help a lot. >>>> >>>> So what college did I go to? I attended George Mason University as a >>>> commuter; I heard some nasty things went on in the dorms and did not >>>> have >>>> the confidence to walk so far from the dorm, so I wanted to commute. I >>>> transferred to a small school, Marymount university, and liked it there. >>>> I >>>> had a roommate on campus some semesters and experience the ups and downs >>>> of >>>> a public bathroom. >>>> What was my major? >>>> I couldn't decide; I tried to be an education major and got too >>>> discouraged. >>>> I was a >>>> liberal studies major; so a general BA degree focussing on psychology >>>> and >>>> communication. >>>> >>>> How were disability services? At GMU they were huge; the DSO was large >>>> and >>>> more impersonal. You met with a counselor and filled out an accomodation >>>> form and took a copy to your professors. >>>> GMU provided more services, but when they scanned texts it was not >>>> always >>>> efficient; I'd get the text after I needed it; but they improved since I >>>> left. >>>> Accomodations included: accessible texts via electronic format or >>>> Learning >>>> Ally, testing accomodations such as extended time and alternative >>>> formats >>>> including braille, copies of professor's notes and handouts that he/she >>>> showed to the class, human notetakers, and computers with adaptive >>>> software >>>> like jaws. >>>> >>>> At MU it was only one DSO counselor and she really new students by name. >>>> They had less services. I was not able to get braille tests; they said >>>> the >>>> equipment was too expensive. But they did procure jaws for the library. >>>> I worked out accomodations with professors though and did not run into >>>> much >>>> trouble. My hardest thing in college was access to textbooks and >>>> research. >>>> The library had a wealth of material such as encyclopedias, reference >>>> books, >>>> periodicals, etc which is not accessible. >>>> I used readers to get me through those research tasks. >>>> At MU services were: accessible texts if available, testing >>>> accomodations, >>>> electronic handouts from the professors, human notetakers, and adaptive >>>> software on the public computers. They put jaws in the library and one >>>> computer lab. >>>> >>>> So college is tough, but its hard for any student. I found the pace of >>>> classes rather stressful. I even got extentions on some papers >>>> occasionally. >>>> But some classes were very interesting and some professors could be >>>> entertaining. I enjoyed the class discussions too. It fostered my >>>> thinking >>>> skills and gave me some new perspective on an issue or topic. >>>> I suggest finding a major you like and one that will prepare you with >>>> skills >>>> for your desired career. If you do not know what you wish to study, you >>>> can >>>> go undeclared for a year or two. Another suggestion is if you are caught >>>> between two majors, either do both or decide on your best one; take some >>>> classes in both areas and talk to those students in those majors. >>>> This way you can get a feel for the work involved in that area of study. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: keri >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 1:51 PM >>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] schools >>>> >>>> I'm looking to hear of personal experiences with colleges. >>>> what college did you attend, your major, how was the accessibleness for >>>> you, >>>> and how were disability services there. >>>> keri >>>> >>>> "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want >>>> to >>>> say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will >>>> speak >>>> my heart." >>>> --Robert Sexton >>>> >>>> "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth >>>> there >>>> is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart >>>> somewhere >>>> >>>> to >>>> receive it." >>>> --Ivan Panin >>>> >>>> Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & >>>> put >>>> >>>> it >>>> back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trey.lewis33%40gmail.com > From trey.lewis33 at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 21:28:27 2011 From: trey.lewis33 at gmail.com (Trey Lewis) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:28:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) Message-ID: I would like to stop reseaving nabs mail. From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Aug 25 21:41:46 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 17:41:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B12F45F91164E06B37988B029520C50@OwnerPC> then go to the website with your password and unsubscribe -----Original Message----- From: Trey Lewis Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 5:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) I would like to stop reseaving nabs mail. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Thu Aug 25 22:05:52 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 17:05:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Keri, Hello. I'm sorry you've met with a less than stellar college experience. College is a new experience for anyone full of challenges and new beginnings, then add in requiring certain accommodations, and depending on some variables, your experience brings aspects many other students take for granted; such as finding textbooks in accessible formats. College should, and can, be a great learning environment before stepping out into a full adult world. Making the transition from high school to college and then college to the professional world, is an important part of the puzzle, and when these transitions provide more frustrations than positive experiences, we don't learn and grow, reaching the next level in our bucket of potential capacity. In order to best meet your needs and answer your questions, it would be beneficial to know what your experience was like. What were you expecting? Did you have prior meetings/information from your DSO before starting the semester? What, if any, request did you make? How were your accommodations met, and what steps did you take, as a self-advocate, to ensure accommodations were timely and appropriate? What specifically was negative about your experience? And other similar questions following this line of thinking. Once we have a full understanding of your experience, we may better tailor our responses to your specific needs and questions. Just as each college is different and each person is different, each experience will be different. It seems you're at square one, and to help you make an informed decision, it would be helpful to know what you're looking for and what you're expecting. Very few people enter college knowing what program they want to pursue, and most students switch their academic plans multiple times before graduating. Regardless of what major you may or may not pursue, it is still beneficial to understand what your expectations are for school; academically as well as concerns relating to accessibility and accommodations. If you can provide us with, if you're comfortable, an overview of your experience, I think we can better answer your question, focusing on specific issues important to you. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:51:05 -0400 From: "keri" To: Subject: [nabs-l] schools Message-ID: <4EF7E75174C74753893016F53B8CFCF7 at klhurstl1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm looking to hear of personal experiences with colleges. what college did you attend, your major, how was the accessibleness for you, and how were disability services there. keri "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak my heart." --Robert Sexton From wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 22:11:33 2011 From: wvucountrygirl729 at gmail.com (keri) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:11:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) References: Message-ID: <0FCE448E1DFA41A390BD8C1F8D02BB39@klhurstl1> read the bottom of this message to find out how to unsubscribe. keri "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak my heart." --Robert Sexton "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to receive it." --Ivan Panin Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trey Lewis" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 5:28 PM Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) >I would like to stop reseaving nabs mail. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com From daviddod at buffalo.edu Thu Aug 25 23:03:49 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:03:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kerri, My name is David Dodge and I am an undergraduate English major at the University at Buffalo (UB) in Buffalo, NY. Prior to my experience at UB I went to Genesee Community College in Batavia NY. College is an interesting, new, exciting, experience. It is also a time of great responsibility. The disability services at UB are phenomenal. They are very helpful with transportation and also class needs. You will always have to be a self-advocate and ask for what you need. What colleges are you interested in? What are you considering majoring in? David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote: > Keri, > > Hello. I'm sorry you've met with a less than stellar college > experience. College is a new experience for anyone full of challenges > and new beginnings, then add in requiring certain accommodations, and > depending on some variables, your experience brings aspects many other > students take for granted; such as finding textbooks in accessible > formats. > > College should, and can, be a great learning environment before stepping > out into a full adult world. Making the transition from high school to > college and then college to the professional world, is an important part > of the puzzle, and when these transitions provide more frustrations than > positive experiences, we don't learn and grow, reaching the next level > in our bucket of potential capacity. > > In order to best meet your needs and answer your questions, it would be > beneficial to know what your experience was like. What were you > expecting? Did you have prior meetings/information from your DSO before > starting the semester? What, if any, request did you make? How were > your accommodations met, and what steps did you take, as a > self-advocate, to ensure accommodations were timely and appropriate? > What specifically was negative about your experience? And other similar > questions following this line of thinking. > > Once we have a full understanding of your experience, we may better > tailor our responses to your specific needs and questions. Just as each > college is different and each person is different, each experience will > be different. It seems you're at square one, and to help you make an > informed decision, it would be helpful to know what you're looking for > and what you're expecting. > > Very few people enter college knowing what program they want to pursue, > and most students switch their academic plans multiple times before > graduating. Regardless of what major you may or may not pursue, it is > still beneficial to understand what your expectations are for school; > academically as well as concerns relating to accessibility and > accommodations. If you can provide us with, if you're comfortable, an > overview of your experience, I think we can better answer your question, > focusing on specific issues important to you. > > Sincerely, > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:51:05 -0400 > From: "keri" > To: > Subject: [nabs-l] schools > Message-ID: <4EF7E75174C74753893016F53B8CFCF7 at klhurstl1> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I'm looking to hear of personal experiences with colleges. > what college did you attend, your major, how was the accessibleness for > you, and how were disability services there. keri > > "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want > to say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will > speak my heart." --Robert Sexton > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 23:32:34 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:32:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <0FCE448E1DFA41A390BD8C1F8D02BB39@klhurstl1> References: <0FCE448E1DFA41A390BD8C1F8D02BB39@klhurstl1> Message-ID: Hi Trey, Here's what you do. Go to www.nfbnet.org, press Enter on the "click here to join or drop NFB-Net mailing lists" link. From that page, find the NABS-L link and press Enter on it. That will take you to the Info page for this list. Near the bottom of the page, you'll see a form field to enter your subscription email address, in other words the email address you subscribed with. After you type that in, press Enter on the "unsubscribe or edit options" button. That will take you to your member options page. From that page, you have to type your subscription password. If you forget this password, you can have it emailed to you by pressing Enter on the appropriate button (or link, I can't remember which.) Once you type in your password, press Enter on the log in button. Then you can press Enter on the Unsubscribe button and you should be removed. Hope this helps! Hope you come back in the future! Chris On 8/25/11, keri wrote: > read the bottom of this message to find out how to unsubscribe. > keri > > "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to > say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak > my heart." > --Robert Sexton > > "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there > is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to > receive it." > --Ivan Panin > > Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it > back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trey Lewis" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 5:28 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) > > >>I would like to stop reseaving nabs mail. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 23:41:47 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:41:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <0FCE448E1DFA41A390BD8C1F8D02BB39@klhurstl1> Message-ID: <6A8A133E1178482199C13D46B9932B71@HumbertoAvila> Shortcut: you can also check on the bottom of every email sent to you from this list; there are instructions that are pretty straightforward and there's even a link. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of chris nusbaum Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:33 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] (no subject) Hi Trey, Here's what you do. Go to www.nfbnet.org, press Enter on the "click here to join or drop NFB-Net mailing lists" link. From that page, find the NABS-L link and press Enter on it. That will take you to the Info page for this list. Near the bottom of the page, you'll see a form field to enter your subscription email address, in other words the email address you subscribed with. After you type that in, press Enter on the "unsubscribe or edit options" button. That will take you to your member options page. From that page, you have to type your subscription password. If you forget this password, you can have it emailed to you by pressing Enter on the appropriate button (or link, I can't remember which.) Once you type in your password, press Enter on the log in button. Then you can press Enter on the Unsubscribe button and you should be removed. Hope this helps! Hope you come back in the future! Chris On 8/25/11, keri wrote: > read the bottom of this message to find out how to unsubscribe. > keri > > "Sometimes your nearness takes my breath away; and all the things I want to > say can find no voice. Then, in silence, I can only hope my eyes will speak > my heart." > --Robert Sexton > > "For every beauty there is an eye somewhere to see it. For every truth there > is an ear somewhere to hear it. For every love there is a heart somewhere to > receive it." > --Ivan Panin > > Find that guy that will pick up every piece of your shattered heart & put it > back together; Replacing it with a piece of his. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trey Lewis" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 5:28 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject) > > >>I would like to stop reseaving nabs mail. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wvucountrygirl729%40 gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gma il.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 %40gmail.com From daviddod at buffalo.edu Fri Aug 26 00:05:02 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:05:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on compress video class In-Reply-To: References: <001101cc61d9$8b08d0b0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: I go to the University at Buffalo, as I think I have mentioned on here before. UB is so large that we have a department of parking and transportation with a paratransit division that can help students if they seek it out. However, prior to this, I was at a community college in a town smaller than where your college is. I had to constantly ask for rides and carpool with people. It ends up being first a useful skill to learn different ways of getting transportation and second an opportunity to meet new people. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Joshua Lester < jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote: > That's exactly what I'm going to do! > I'm not putting up with their mess! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/23/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > > Good afternoon everyone, > > > > If anyone ever exerted power like that over me they would have Hell to > pay. > > A few blindness professionals and others around here found that out the > hard > > way. You're an adult not a child. Take control of your life and don't > ever > > let anyone rule your life like that. > > > > Peter Donahue who does his best to stay away from DSS offices and their > kin. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:51 PM > > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on compress video class > > > > > > I'm with Arielle, I don't understand how any office on campus can ban > > you from asking other students for a ride. A DSO itself may not be > > allowed to make such a request, but you are acting on your behalf and > > not the behalf of the school, so there's no reason why you can't ask > > classmates for rides. > > > > I actually find it incredibly inappropriate that your DSO not only > > suggests a janitor take you home, but that it believes it is within DSO > > functions and rules to make such a request for a student. It's not fair > > to you, as the student, and it's not fair to the janitor staff, whose > > job requirements, I guarantee you, say nothing about acting as a taxi > > service for certain students. > > > > Transportation is not an accommodation any DSO has to offer or deal > > with. A disability services office only has to handle concerns and > > accommodations that directly affect and deal with your education. How > > you get to and from school is not its concern. They can provide > > suggestions, as Arielle mentions, but they can't keep you from seeking > > other routes different from any suggestion it makes. > > > > As a student, it is your responsibility to check out class schedules > > well before each semester and determine how to get to each class and > > round up any necessary transportation. If you don't have family or > > friends who can help, and no classmates can either, and the public > > transit is not a viable option, you will have to consider paying for a > > service like a taxi. > > > > Nonetheless, no one can not allow you to request a ride from fellow > > classmates. Regardless of what your DSO says, know it can't penalize > > you, or stop you, from making this request. And if, for whatever > > reason, your instructor won't allow you to make a request in front of > > the class, you can email students, or ask individually. > > > > Good luck. > > > > Sincerely, > > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at > > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:28:57 -0600 > > From: Arielle Silverman > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class > > Message-ID: > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > > Hi Joshua, > > I'm still a little confused about what the problem is with the > > disabilities lady. There's nothing stopping you from asking another > > student either for a ride, for help with understanding the video, or > > both. Sometimes disability services suggests a specific way to do > > something, like suggesting you take a ride from the janitor, but that's > > just a suggestion. You can absolutely do whatever you feel is best to > > get your accommodations even if it's not what the DSS office suggests. > > Maybe I misunderstood what the issue is? Arielle > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 00:57:02 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:57:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on compress video class In-Reply-To: References: <001101cc61d9$8b08d0b0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Hi everyone, David, wow, that's a big school for a SUNY college! :) I went to SUNY Brockport for Camp Abilities NY, a sports camp for blind youth. To find out more about it, go to www.campabilities.org. Peter, I agree with you! Joshua, don't let your stupid DSO office stop you from getting the accomodations you need! You are an independent adult now, and noone but yourself can stop you from being a self-advocate. That's what your disabilities lady needs to learn. I gather that she hasn't had much experience with the advocacy of the Federation and its members. * Evil smile! :)And if you're still having problems with them, I encourage you to contact NABS or the Federation to get an advocate. Good luck! Chris On 8/25/11, David Dodge wrote: > I go to the University at Buffalo, as I think I have mentioned on here > before. UB is so large that we have a department of parking and > transportation with a paratransit division that can help students if they > seek it out. > > However, prior to this, I was at a community college in a town smaller than > where your college is. I had to constantly ask for rides and carpool with > people. It ends up being first a useful skill to learn different ways of > getting transportation and second an opportunity to meet new people. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Joshua Lester < > jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote: > >> That's exactly what I'm going to do! >> I'm not putting up with their mess! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 8/23/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> > Good afternoon everyone, >> > >> > If anyone ever exerted power like that over me they would have Hell to >> pay. >> > A few blindness professionals and others around here found that out the >> hard >> > way. You're an adult not a child. Take control of your life and don't >> ever >> > let anyone rule your life like that. >> > >> > Peter Donahue who does his best to stay away from DSS offices and their >> kin. >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" >> > To: >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:51 PM >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on compress video class >> > >> > >> > I'm with Arielle, I don't understand how any office on campus can ban >> > you from asking other students for a ride. A DSO itself may not be >> > allowed to make such a request, but you are acting on your behalf and >> > not the behalf of the school, so there's no reason why you can't ask >> > classmates for rides. >> > >> > I actually find it incredibly inappropriate that your DSO not only >> > suggests a janitor take you home, but that it believes it is within DSO >> > functions and rules to make such a request for a student. It's not fair >> > to you, as the student, and it's not fair to the janitor staff, whose >> > job requirements, I guarantee you, say nothing about acting as a taxi >> > service for certain students. >> > >> > Transportation is not an accommodation any DSO has to offer or deal >> > with. A disability services office only has to handle concerns and >> > accommodations that directly affect and deal with your education. How >> > you get to and from school is not its concern. They can provide >> > suggestions, as Arielle mentions, but they can't keep you from seeking >> > other routes different from any suggestion it makes. >> > >> > As a student, it is your responsibility to check out class schedules >> > well before each semester and determine how to get to each class and >> > round up any necessary transportation. If you don't have family or >> > friends who can help, and no classmates can either, and the public >> > transit is not a viable option, you will have to consider paying for a >> > service like a taxi. >> > >> > Nonetheless, no one can not allow you to request a ride from fellow >> > classmates. Regardless of what your DSO says, know it can't penalize >> > you, or stop you, from making this request. And if, for whatever >> > reason, your instructor won't allow you to make a request in front of >> > the class, you can email students, or ask individually. >> > >> > Good luck. >> > >> > Sincerely, >> > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter >> > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at >> > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ >> > >> > Message: 5 >> > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:28:57 -0600 >> > From: Arielle Silverman >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class >> > Message-ID: >> > >> > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> > >> > Hi Joshua, >> > I'm still a little confused about what the problem is with the >> > disabilities lady. There's nothing stopping you from asking another >> > student either for a ride, for help with understanding the video, or >> > both. Sometimes disability services suggests a specific way to do >> > something, like suggesting you take a ride from the janitor, but that's >> > just a suggestion. You can absolutely do whatever you feel is best to >> > get your accommodations even if it's not what the DSS office suggests. >> > Maybe I misunderstood what the issue is? Arielle >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From daviddod at buffalo.edu Fri Aug 26 01:02:27 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:02:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on compress video class In-Reply-To: References: <001101cc61d9$8b08d0b0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Chris, Yup, UB is the largest SUNY school with an enrollment of 28,000 students. I went to Camp Abilities Brockport myself and Dr. Lieberman and I are pretty close colleagues. It sounded like you had a great experience? Did you fish while you were there? I got fishing started there and am happy to hear it is still offered. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 8:57 PM, chris nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > David, wow, that's a big school for a SUNY college! :) I went to SUNY > Brockport for Camp Abilities NY, a sports camp for blind youth. To > find out more about it, go to www.campabilities.org. Peter, I agree > with you! Joshua, don't let your stupid DSO office stop you from > getting the accomodations you need! You are an independent adult now, > and noone but yourself can stop you from being a self-advocate. That's > what your disabilities lady needs to learn. I gather that she hasn't > had much experience with the advocacy of the Federation and its > members. * Evil smile! :)And if you're still having problems with > them, I encourage you to contact NABS or the Federation to get an > advocate. Good luck! > > Chris > > On 8/25/11, David Dodge wrote: > > I go to the University at Buffalo, as I think I have mentioned on here > > before. UB is so large that we have a department of parking and > > transportation with a paratransit division that can help students if they > > seek it out. > > > > However, prior to this, I was at a community college in a town smaller > than > > where your college is. I had to constantly ask for rides and carpool with > > people. It ends up being first a useful skill to learn different ways of > > getting transportation and second an opportunity to meet new people. > > > > David > > ---------------------------------- > > David Dodge > > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > > State University of New York Student Assembly > > English Major > > University at Buffalo > > 306 Clemens Hall > > Buffalo, NY 14260 > > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Joshua Lester < > > jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote: > > > >> That's exactly what I'm going to do! > >> I'm not putting up with their mess! > >> Blessings, Joshua > >> > >> On 8/23/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > >> > Good afternoon everyone, > >> > > >> > If anyone ever exerted power like that over me they would have Hell to > >> pay. > >> > A few blindness professionals and others around here found that out > the > >> hard > >> > way. You're an adult not a child. Take control of your life and don't > >> ever > >> > let anyone rule your life like that. > >> > > >> > Peter Donahue who does his best to stay away from DSS offices and > their > >> kin. > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" > >> > To: > >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:51 PM > >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on compress video class > >> > > >> > > >> > I'm with Arielle, I don't understand how any office on campus can ban > >> > you from asking other students for a ride. A DSO itself may not be > >> > allowed to make such a request, but you are acting on your behalf and > >> > not the behalf of the school, so there's no reason why you can't ask > >> > classmates for rides. > >> > > >> > I actually find it incredibly inappropriate that your DSO not only > >> > suggests a janitor take you home, but that it believes it is within > DSO > >> > functions and rules to make such a request for a student. It's not > fair > >> > to you, as the student, and it's not fair to the janitor staff, whose > >> > job requirements, I guarantee you, say nothing about acting as a taxi > >> > service for certain students. > >> > > >> > Transportation is not an accommodation any DSO has to offer or deal > >> > with. A disability services office only has to handle concerns and > >> > accommodations that directly affect and deal with your education. How > >> > you get to and from school is not its concern. They can provide > >> > suggestions, as Arielle mentions, but they can't keep you from seeking > >> > other routes different from any suggestion it makes. > >> > > >> > As a student, it is your responsibility to check out class schedules > >> > well before each semester and determine how to get to each class and > >> > round up any necessary transportation. If you don't have family or > >> > friends who can help, and no classmates can either, and the public > >> > transit is not a viable option, you will have to consider paying for a > >> > service like a taxi. > >> > > >> > Nonetheless, no one can not allow you to request a ride from fellow > >> > classmates. Regardless of what your DSO says, know it can't penalize > >> > you, or stop you, from making this request. And if, for whatever > >> > reason, your instructor won't allow you to make a request in front of > >> > the class, you can email students, or ask individually. > >> > > >> > Good luck. > >> > > >> > Sincerely, > >> > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > >> > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at > >> > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > >> > > >> > Message: 5 > >> > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:28:57 -0600 > >> > From: Arielle Silverman > >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> > > >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class > >> > Message-ID: > >> > > >> > > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >> > > >> > Hi Joshua, > >> > I'm still a little confused about what the problem is with the > >> > disabilities lady. There's nothing stopping you from asking another > >> > student either for a ride, for help with understanding the video, or > >> > both. Sometimes disability services suggests a specific way to do > >> > something, like suggesting you take a ride from the janitor, but > that's > >> > just a suggestion. You can absolutely do whatever you feel is best to > >> > get your accommodations even if it's not what the DSS office suggests. > >> > Maybe I misunderstood what the issue is? Arielle > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> > nabs-l: > >> > > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> > nabs-l: > >> > > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 01:13:12 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:13:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on compress video class In-Reply-To: References: <001101cc61d9$8b08d0b0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Hi David, Great! I'm also good friends with Dr. Lieberman. I'll tell her I know you next time I see her. I did go fishing and had a great time there! We have one here in Maryland now, and that's where I was introduced to Camp Abilities. I've been going to the MD camp since its founding 4 years ago. I've also gone to the Brockport and Pensylvania camps. Dr. Lieberman thinks I'll do the whole circuit soon, lol! Chris On 8/25/11, David Dodge wrote: > Chris, > Yup, UB is the largest SUNY school with an enrollment of 28,000 students. I > went to Camp Abilities Brockport myself and Dr. Lieberman and I are pretty > close colleagues. It sounded like you had a great experience? Did you fish > while you were there? I got fishing started there and am happy to hear it is > still offered. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 8:57 PM, chris nusbaum > wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> David, wow, that's a big school for a SUNY college! :) I went to SUNY >> Brockport for Camp Abilities NY, a sports camp for blind youth. To >> find out more about it, go to www.campabilities.org. Peter, I agree >> with you! Joshua, don't let your stupid DSO office stop you from >> getting the accomodations you need! You are an independent adult now, >> and noone but yourself can stop you from being a self-advocate. That's >> what your disabilities lady needs to learn. I gather that she hasn't >> had much experience with the advocacy of the Federation and its >> members. * Evil smile! :)And if you're still having problems with >> them, I encourage you to contact NABS or the Federation to get an >> advocate. Good luck! >> >> Chris >> >> On 8/25/11, David Dodge wrote: >> > I go to the University at Buffalo, as I think I have mentioned on here >> > before. UB is so large that we have a department of parking and >> > transportation with a paratransit division that can help students if >> > they >> > seek it out. >> > >> > However, prior to this, I was at a community college in a town smaller >> than >> > where your college is. I had to constantly ask for rides and carpool >> > with >> > people. It ends up being first a useful skill to learn different ways of >> > getting transportation and second an opportunity to meet new people. >> > >> > David >> > ---------------------------------- >> > David Dodge >> > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> > State University of New York Student Assembly >> > English Major >> > University at Buffalo >> > 306 Clemens Hall >> > Buffalo, NY 14260 >> > daviddod at buffalo.edu >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Joshua Lester < >> > jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote: >> > >> >> That's exactly what I'm going to do! >> >> I'm not putting up with their mess! >> >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> >> >> On 8/23/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> >> > Good afternoon everyone, >> >> > >> >> > If anyone ever exerted power like that over me they would have Hell >> >> > to >> >> pay. >> >> > A few blindness professionals and others around here found that out >> the >> >> hard >> >> > way. You're an adult not a child. Take control of your life and don't >> >> ever >> >> > let anyone rule your life like that. >> >> > >> >> > Peter Donahue who does his best to stay away from DSS offices and >> their >> >> kin. >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" >> >> > To: >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:51 PM >> >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on compress video class >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > I'm with Arielle, I don't understand how any office on campus can ban >> >> > you from asking other students for a ride. A DSO itself may not be >> >> > allowed to make such a request, but you are acting on your behalf and >> >> > not the behalf of the school, so there's no reason why you can't ask >> >> > classmates for rides. >> >> > >> >> > I actually find it incredibly inappropriate that your DSO not only >> >> > suggests a janitor take you home, but that it believes it is within >> DSO >> >> > functions and rules to make such a request for a student. It's not >> fair >> >> > to you, as the student, and it's not fair to the janitor staff, whose >> >> > job requirements, I guarantee you, say nothing about acting as a taxi >> >> > service for certain students. >> >> > >> >> > Transportation is not an accommodation any DSO has to offer or deal >> >> > with. A disability services office only has to handle concerns and >> >> > accommodations that directly affect and deal with your education. >> >> > How >> >> > you get to and from school is not its concern. They can provide >> >> > suggestions, as Arielle mentions, but they can't keep you from >> >> > seeking >> >> > other routes different from any suggestion it makes. >> >> > >> >> > As a student, it is your responsibility to check out class schedules >> >> > well before each semester and determine how to get to each class and >> >> > round up any necessary transportation. If you don't have family or >> >> > friends who can help, and no classmates can either, and the public >> >> > transit is not a viable option, you will have to consider paying for >> >> > a >> >> > service like a taxi. >> >> > >> >> > Nonetheless, no one can not allow you to request a ride from fellow >> >> > classmates. Regardless of what your DSO says, know it can't penalize >> >> > you, or stop you, from making this request. And if, for whatever >> >> > reason, your instructor won't allow you to make a request in front of >> >> > the class, you can email students, or ask individually. >> >> > >> >> > Good luck. >> >> > >> >> > Sincerely, >> >> > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter >> >> > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at >> >> > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ >> >> > >> >> > Message: 5 >> >> > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:28:57 -0600 >> >> > From: Arielle Silverman >> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> > >> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class >> >> > Message-ID: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> > >> >> > Hi Joshua, >> >> > I'm still a little confused about what the problem is with the >> >> > disabilities lady. There's nothing stopping you from asking another >> >> > student either for a ride, for help with understanding the video, or >> >> > both. Sometimes disability services suggests a specific way to do >> >> > something, like suggesting you take a ride from the janitor, but >> that's >> >> > just a suggestion. You can absolutely do whatever you feel is best to >> >> > get your accommodations even if it's not what the DSS office >> >> > suggests. >> >> > Maybe I misunderstood what the issue is? Arielle >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > nabs-l mailing list >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> > nabs-l: >> >> > >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > nabs-l mailing list >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> > nabs-l: >> >> > >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From daviddod at buffalo.edu Fri Aug 26 01:23:23 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:23:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on compress video class In-Reply-To: References: <001101cc61d9$8b08d0b0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Chris, It sounds like you should become a camp counselor at some point, if you haven't already. :) Yeah, Dr. Lieberman is wonderful - adaptive PE wouldn't be what it is today without her. Camp Abilities is also in other countries now, which is so cool. When I started, it was only at Brockport. What did you think of SUNY Brockport as far as the campus goes? David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 9:13 PM, chris nusbaum wrote: > Hi David, > > Great! I'm also good friends with Dr. Lieberman. I'll tell her I know > you next time I see her. I did go fishing and had a great time there! > We have one here in Maryland now, and that's where I was introduced to > Camp Abilities. I've been going to the MD camp since its founding 4 > years ago. I've also gone to the Brockport and Pensylvania camps. Dr. > Lieberman thinks I'll do the whole circuit soon, lol! > > Chris > > On 8/25/11, David Dodge wrote: > > Chris, > > Yup, UB is the largest SUNY school with an enrollment of 28,000 students. > I > > went to Camp Abilities Brockport myself and Dr. Lieberman and I are > pretty > > close colleagues. It sounded like you had a great experience? Did you > fish > > while you were there? I got fishing started there and am happy to hear it > is > > still offered. > > > > David > > ---------------------------------- > > David Dodge > > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > > State University of New York Student Assembly > > English Major > > University at Buffalo > > 306 Clemens Hall > > Buffalo, NY 14260 > > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 8:57 PM, chris nusbaum > > wrote: > > > >> Hi everyone, > >> > >> David, wow, that's a big school for a SUNY college! :) I went to SUNY > >> Brockport for Camp Abilities NY, a sports camp for blind youth. To > >> find out more about it, go to www.campabilities.org. Peter, I agree > >> with you! Joshua, don't let your stupid DSO office stop you from > >> getting the accomodations you need! You are an independent adult now, > >> and noone but yourself can stop you from being a self-advocate. That's > >> what your disabilities lady needs to learn. I gather that she hasn't > >> had much experience with the advocacy of the Federation and its > >> members. * Evil smile! :)And if you're still having problems with > >> them, I encourage you to contact NABS or the Federation to get an > >> advocate. Good luck! > >> > >> Chris > >> > >> On 8/25/11, David Dodge wrote: > >> > I go to the University at Buffalo, as I think I have mentioned on here > >> > before. UB is so large that we have a department of parking and > >> > transportation with a paratransit division that can help students if > >> > they > >> > seek it out. > >> > > >> > However, prior to this, I was at a community college in a town smaller > >> than > >> > where your college is. I had to constantly ask for rides and carpool > >> > with > >> > people. It ends up being first a useful skill to learn different ways > of > >> > getting transportation and second an opportunity to meet new people. > >> > > >> > David > >> > ---------------------------------- > >> > David Dodge > >> > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > >> > State University of New York Student Assembly > >> > English Major > >> > University at Buffalo > >> > 306 Clemens Hall > >> > Buffalo, NY 14260 > >> > daviddod at buffalo.edu > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Joshua Lester < > >> > jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote: > >> > > >> >> That's exactly what I'm going to do! > >> >> I'm not putting up with their mess! > >> >> Blessings, Joshua > >> >> > >> >> On 8/23/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > >> >> > Good afternoon everyone, > >> >> > > >> >> > If anyone ever exerted power like that over me they would have Hell > >> >> > to > >> >> pay. > >> >> > A few blindness professionals and others around here found that out > >> the > >> >> hard > >> >> > way. You're an adult not a child. Take control of your life and > don't > >> >> ever > >> >> > let anyone rule your life like that. > >> >> > > >> >> > Peter Donahue who does his best to stay away from DSS offices and > >> their > >> >> kin. > >> >> > > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > From: "Bridgit Pollpeter" > >> >> > To: > >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:51 PM > >> >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on compress video class > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > I'm with Arielle, I don't understand how any office on campus can > ban > >> >> > you from asking other students for a ride. A DSO itself may not be > >> >> > allowed to make such a request, but you are acting on your behalf > and > >> >> > not the behalf of the school, so there's no reason why you can't > ask > >> >> > classmates for rides. > >> >> > > >> >> > I actually find it incredibly inappropriate that your DSO not only > >> >> > suggests a janitor take you home, but that it believes it is within > >> DSO > >> >> > functions and rules to make such a request for a student. It's not > >> fair > >> >> > to you, as the student, and it's not fair to the janitor staff, > whose > >> >> > job requirements, I guarantee you, say nothing about acting as a > taxi > >> >> > service for certain students. > >> >> > > >> >> > Transportation is not an accommodation any DSO has to offer or deal > >> >> > with. A disability services office only has to handle concerns and > >> >> > accommodations that directly affect and deal with your education. > >> >> > How > >> >> > you get to and from school is not its concern. They can provide > >> >> > suggestions, as Arielle mentions, but they can't keep you from > >> >> > seeking > >> >> > other routes different from any suggestion it makes. > >> >> > > >> >> > As a student, it is your responsibility to check out class > schedules > >> >> > well before each semester and determine how to get to each class > and > >> >> > round up any necessary transportation. If you don't have family or > >> >> > friends who can help, and no classmates can either, and the public > >> >> > transit is not a viable option, you will have to consider paying > for > >> >> > a > >> >> > service like a taxi. > >> >> > > >> >> > Nonetheless, no one can not allow you to request a ride from fellow > >> >> > classmates. Regardless of what your DSO says, know it can't > penalize > >> >> > you, or stop you, from making this request. And if, for whatever > >> >> > reason, your instructor won't allow you to make a request in front > of > >> >> > the class, you can email students, or ask individually. > >> >> > > >> >> > Good luck. > >> >> > > >> >> > Sincerely, > >> >> > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > >> >> > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at > >> >> > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > >> >> > > >> >> > Message: 5 > >> >> > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:28:57 -0600 > >> >> > From: Arielle Silverman > >> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> >> > > >> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on Compress Video Class > >> >> > Message-ID: > >> >> > > >> >> > < > CALAYQJB1ksNLJv4jLEU2LGY9mR-UD_oP9WNq2iNKi25dDNGVgQ at mail.gmail.com> > >> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >> >> > > >> >> > Hi Joshua, > >> >> > I'm still a little confused about what the problem is with the > >> >> > disabilities lady. There's nothing stopping you from asking another > >> >> > student either for a ride, for help with understanding the video, > or > >> >> > both. Sometimes disability services suggests a specific way to do > >> >> > something, like suggesting you take a ride from the janitor, but > >> that's > >> >> > just a suggestion. You can absolutely do whatever you feel is best > to > >> >> > get your accommodations even if it's not what the DSS office > >> >> > suggests. > >> >> > Maybe I misunderstood what the issue is? Arielle > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > >> >> > nabs-l: > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > >> >> > nabs-l: > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> nabs-l mailing list > >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> >> nabs-l: > >> >> > >> >> > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> > nabs-l: > >> > > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Chris Nusbaum > >> > >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > >> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > >> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > >> > >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From darrell.shandrow at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 07:27:22 2011 From: darrell.shandrow at gmail.com (Darrell Shandrow) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:27:22 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Get to Know Arizona's Blind Students at Our State Convention on Labor Day Weekend! Message-ID: <4E574ADA.80304@gmail.com> Hello Everyone, Welcome, blind students, to the National Federation of the Blind of Arizona's 65th annual State Convention! If you are here to learn about different techniques for coping with blindness-related situations at school, or if you want to learn how to get involved with your local student division and meet new friends while you're at it, then join the Arizona Association of blind Students for our seminar on Saturday September third from 1:30 to 3:30 p.m. in the Rio Salado room at the Sheraton Airport Hotel, 1600 S. 52nd Street, Tempe, Arizona. This year we will discuss a wide range of topics including Braille, technology and travel from the perspectives of blind college and high-school students. Two special guests will also chat with us about The exciting programs offered by the Jernigan Institute and illuminate a brighter, more accessible future for students in chemistry and physics. Please join us for two exciting activities after the seminar! At 5:30 p.m., we will offer pizza and cold drinks in the Rio Salado room for a $5 donation. Then, come back to the Rio Salado room at 9:00 for our game night, where you can have a good time and get to know other blind students from around Arizona. Please bring $5 for the entrance fee. If you would like to vote in our elections, which will be held during our business meeting on Sunday from 12:00 to 2:00 p.m. in the Rio Salado room, please bring $5 for dues. If you are not a payed member, you cannot vote, but we would still love to have you join us to see how the process works. We look forward to visiting with all of you this year at our state convention! Best regards, Kristen Johnson Vice President Darrell Shandrow Secretary Arizona Association of Blind Students From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 00:21:33 2011 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:21:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend Message-ID: Hi All: I have a friend who is not on this list who is really struggling with a few issues. Since she is not on this list she has asked me to post some questions for her. Her school uses Windows Live for their email. She says this is flash based and she can't seem to get it to work with Jaws. Does anyone know or have any ideas of how to get windows live email to work with Jaws or is it totally inaccessible? Next, my friend attended an NFB center (it was not LCB.) They were changing some staff members around and because of this among other things she was not taught some skills. Because of this she is having a hard time with college and is very frustrated. Would it be possible for her to go back to training and attend one of the other two NFB training centers or one that is similar? Thanks so much! Kerri From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Aug 27 01:17:46 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:17:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kerri, we use GMail, for our E-mail stuff, at PCC, and it's accessible. I'm not familiar with Windows Live. She should go back to the training center. Was it CCB? Blessings, Joshua On 8/26/11, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hi All: > > I have a friend who is not on this list who is really struggling with > a few issues. Since she is not on this list she has asked me to post > some questions for her. > > Her school uses Windows Live for their email. She says this is flash > based and she can't seem to get it to work with Jaws. Does anyone know > or have any ideas of how to get windows live email to work with Jaws > or is it totally inaccessible? > > Next, my friend attended an NFB center (it was not LCB.) They were > changing some staff members around and because of this among other > things she was not taught some skills. Because of this she is having a > hard time with college and is very frustrated. Would it be possible > for her to go back to training and attend one of the other two NFB > training centers or one that is similar? > > Thanks so much! > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From daviddod at buffalo.edu Sat Aug 27 01:20:17 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 21:20:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kerri, I cannot really speak to the Windows Live issue because I am not a technology person by any stretch of the imagination. What specific problems, if you don't mind my asking, is your friend having at college? The reason I ask is because it will give a better understanding as to whether the issues are, forgive me, "typical" of college or if the lack of training really is the key issue. If she does decide it is the lack of training that is the issue then it would make sense to me for her to go back to a center if there is no other way she can get the training, experience, she needs. She needs to weigh the pros and cons for herself (with your guidance perhaps) about what would be best. Unless she goes in the summer, I assume she would be taking off time from college to do this and that can cause other obstacles as well. I feel like I've asked more questions than provided helpful insight, but I hope this at least starts some thinking. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hi All: > > I have a friend who is not on this list who is really struggling with > a few issues. Since she is not on this list she has asked me to post > some questions for her. > > Her school uses Windows Live for their email. She says this is flash > based and she can't seem to get it to work with Jaws. Does anyone know > or have any ideas of how to get windows live email to work with Jaws > or is it totally inaccessible? > > Next, my friend attended an NFB center (it was not LCB.) They were > changing some staff members around and because of this among other > things she was not taught some skills. Because of this she is having a > hard time with college and is very frustrated. Would it be possible > for her to go back to training and attend one of the other two NFB > training centers or one that is similar? > > Thanks so much! > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > From darrell.shandrow at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 05:53:20 2011 From: darrell.shandrow at gmail.com (Darrell Shandrow) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:53:20 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fun, Excitement and Danger Next Weekend at Our Arizona State Convention! Message-ID: <4E588650.2030602@gmail.com> Hello Everyone, Come one, Come all to a night of fun, excitement, and danger? Make your way to the 65th annual National Federation of the Blind of Arizona State Convention and join the Arizona Association of blind Students for our first ever game night. The fun part of this adventure is finding out that you CAN still play that game that you love to play when you were sighted, but didn’t think you would again. The excitement is getting to see old friends you may have lost touch with or finding new ones. The dangerous part of this social is taking the risk and expanding your horizons, making new friends and possibly losing spectacularly to a room full of your potential friends. If this sounds interesting to you, please join us at the Sheraton Airport Hotel, 1600 S. 52nd Street, Tempe, Arizona, near Sky Harbor Airport in the Rio Salado room at 8:15 p.m. right after the tweetup until the hotel decides to kick us out because we are too loud! For a 5 dollar fee you can have a fun-filled time with all your friends while supporting your local student division. We will provide water, but you may bring your own drinks and food. We hope to see you all there, Stephen Hunsinger, Kristen Johnson, Darrell Shandrow, Somaya Tarin and Tony Sohl The Board of the Arizona Association of Blind Students From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 14:50:21 2011 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 10:50:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David and All: Because these lists are archived, searchable, and open to anyone who wants to read them, my friend does not want to really put what any of the issues were or which center it was on the list. I'm sorry, I'm just going by what she has asked me to put here. She basically just wants to know if she were to feel more training is necessary since she has already attended an NFB training center could she attend another one or a similar training center? Also she says windows live mail is flash based and Jaws keeps just reading the top of the screen. If anyone knows anything about windows live mail or how to make it work with Jaws feel free to write either on or off list and let me know. I'm sorry I can't put more info about the situation. Kerri On 8/26/11, David Dodge wrote: > Kerri, > I cannot really speak to the Windows Live issue because I am not a > technology person by any stretch of the imagination. > > What specific problems, if you don't mind my asking, is your friend having > at college? The reason I ask is because it will give a better understanding > as to whether the issues are, forgive me, "typical" of college or if the > lack of training really is the key issue. > > If she does decide it is the lack of training that is the issue then it > would make sense to me for her to go back to a center if there is no other > way she can get the training, experience, she needs. She needs to weigh the > pros and cons for herself (with your guidance perhaps) about what would be > best. Unless she goes in the summer, I assume she would be taking off time > from college to do this and that can cause other obstacles as well. > > I feel like I've asked more questions than provided helpful insight, but I > hope this at least starts some thinking. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: > >> Hi All: >> >> I have a friend who is not on this list who is really struggling with >> a few issues. Since she is not on this list she has asked me to post >> some questions for her. >> >> Her school uses Windows Live for their email. She says this is flash >> based and she can't seem to get it to work with Jaws. Does anyone know >> or have any ideas of how to get windows live email to work with Jaws >> or is it totally inaccessible? >> >> Next, my friend attended an NFB center (it was not LCB.) They were >> changing some staff members around and because of this among other >> things she was not taught some skills. Because of this she is having a >> hard time with college and is very frustrated. Would it be possible >> for her to go back to training and attend one of the other two NFB >> training centers or one that is similar? >> >> Thanks so much! >> Kerri >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 15:47:56 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 11:47:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] huricane Irene Message-ID: Hi everyone, I would just like to encourage everyone to stay safe if you're in the huge path of Hurricane Irene. It seems like a pretty big one, so please be carefull and heed the authorities' warnings and evacuate if you need to. I'm here in northern Maryland and we're preparing for the storm to hit. I was planning on going to the MDABS (Maryland Association of Blind Students) annual seminar today at the national center in Baltimore today, but unfortunately had to miss it because my mom was worried about getting home tonight. So, while I'm disappointed (very much so,) I hope nobody gets hurt who ends up going. So, once again, please be safe and use common sense in this storm! That's all I have to say. I hope everybody has a safe weekend if they're in the path of the huricane! Chris -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 16:08:41 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 09:08:41 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [New-hampshire-students] Fw: How to Save On Textbooks. In-Reply-To: <8F3575CD921B4AE19A0DC126D95FA5FA@frodo> References: <8F3575CD921B4AE19A0DC126D95FA5FA@frodo> Message-ID: for your information ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ed Meskys Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 11:47:31 -0400 Subject: [New-hampshire-students] Fw: How to Save On Textbooks. To: nfbnh-students , sandy meskys I thought this was interesting, and should be shared with the national student organization. Ed Meskys Subject: How to Save On Textbooks. Business/Financial Desk How to Save On Textbooks. NY Times Saturday, 2011_08_27 By TARA SIEGEL BERNARD. Exorbitant college textbook prices have given rise to a 'textbook rebellion,' which may be coming to a campus near you. A coalition of students, parents, professors and organizations including the Student Public Interest Research Groups, have banded together to promote more affordable alternatives to the $200 textbook - an amount that is not uncommon for science, economics, accounting and math students, among other pricey majors. So if you see a big van pull up on your college campus, don't be surprised if a giant yellow textbook - called Textbook Rebel - jumps out to do battle with Mr. $200 Textbook, as part of the cross-country tour organized by the Student PIRGs. Our goal is to collect student signatures on a petition, which we we'll use to get the word out to faculty and call on decision makers to take action,' said Nicole Allen, textbook advocate at the Student PIRGs. The coalition also hopes to raise awareness about cheaper alternatives like 'open textbooks,' which are offered under a license that allows you to read free online, or to obtain a print copy for a fraction of the cost of traditional hard-copy competitors. Indeed, textbook prices increased 22 percent over the last four years, according to the Student PIRGs, or more than four times the rate of inflation. On average, students at four-year public colleges were estimated to spend $1,137 on books and supplies during the 2010-2011 academic year, according to the College Board. To ease the burden, a survey conducted by the Student PIRGs found that many students simply aren't buying at least one of the required texts. But there are ways to save while the textbook rebels fight the good fight. Last August, I wrote a post that surveyed the various ways to save money on textbooks, from finding free texts online to renting books on campus. And in January, we took a closer look at the many comparison sites that do a lot of the legwork for you. Over the course of the last year, several new options emerged, some of which were created by recent graduates who were exasperated by the book-buying process themselves. Those are highlighted below: Amazon.com. You can now rent eligible Kindle textbooks and read them on your computer, no Kindle required, or on your smartphone. You can also customize the rental periods to any length between 30 and 360 days and pay for the specific chunk of time you need the book (and can add time if you need to). The books aren't printable, but you do have access to margin notes and highlighted text, even after the rental has expired. Just keep in mind that digital textbooks aren't always the best deal. Be sure to compare prices with other hard-copy rental options, as well as buying a used copy of the book, which you can typically sell again. SwoopThat.com. Similar to Getchabooks.com (featured in this Bucks post), this Web site was created by four recent college graduates and aims at students at specific colleges - in this case, more than 2,300 schools. After you plug in your college name and courses, the site serves up the list of books that you need and where to find them at the lowest cost. Our algorithms help students find the cheapest places to buy all their books collectively, rather than one at a time,' according to the Web site. That calculation includes shipping. Jonny Simkin, one of the sites' co-founders, said the site currently searches Amazon, Half, Alibris, Abebooks, Chegg, BookRenter, eBooks.com, and Cengage Brain. The site, he added, has partnerships with 'all the major booksellers,' which are slowly being added to the site. SwoopThat also helps students sell their books by searching online vendors for the highest buyback price. In addition, the site also has an online exchange for each school that helps students buy and sell books with people nearby. When a student enters their courses and views their book list, they can compare prices between other local students and the Web,' Mr. Simkin said, 'and if they want to buy from a local student, they just arrange a meeting place on or near campus. Affordabook.com. This site, also created by a former undergraduate, compares prices from 15 textbook retailers on the Web, including Amazon.com, Chegg, Half.com, Ebay and several others. I was frustrated with the university bookstores and how they charge hundreds for textbooks that you can find online for a fraction of the cost,' said Vincent Thomas, who created the site about five years ago when he was a junior at Virginia Tech. LocalTextbook.com is essentially an online classifieds section for textbooks, which aims to help students buy and sell books with other people on their campus; that way, everybody saves money on shipping costs. Still, it does cost something: you need to pay $3 to list each book (or, you can earn credits by referring friends to use the service). Right now, the listings on the Web site -- created by a college senior -- are located on only five campuses in Ohio, but they hope to expand this year. Open textbooks. These books are much less expensive than traditional textbooks, but it's basically up to your professors to select them -- if they don't, you're out of luck. Professors can save students thousands by assigning open textbooks,' Ms. Allen of the Student PIRGs said. That is why our campaign focuses on getting the word out to professors, and letting them know this is out there. These books can be read online free, while hard copies are typically a fraction of the cost of traditional books. You can download the book to your computer or phone, or print a printable PDF. Hard copies typically cost $20 to $40, according to the Student PIRGs, either in the bookstore or online. In addition, the 'open' license typically gives professors more flexibility to tailor the material to fit a particular course by removing unneeded chapters or adding new material. The Student PIRGs site has a catalog of open textbooks and publishers (Flat World Knowledge, which offers open books, is also part of the 'rebellion' coalition). The Student PIRGs list their own book-buying tips here. Have you started book shopping? Let us know what sites you have the best and worst experiences with in the comment section below. This is a more complete version of the story than the one that appeared in print. _______________________________________________ New-hampshire-students mailing list New-hampshire-students at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/new-hampshire-students_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for New-hampshire-students: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/new-hampshire-students_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com -- Darian Smith "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." - Martin Luther King, Jr. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 16:09:55 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 12:09:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Keri, Since she doesn't want to post more information here, here's another option for her. She could become a mentee for the NFB-Link online mentoring program. Once she fills out all the required information, it will match her with a mentor in her area that would be able to help her. The Web site for the mentoring program is www.nfblink.org. Hope this helps! Chris On 8/27/11, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hi David and All: > > Because these lists are archived, searchable, and open to anyone who > wants to read them, my friend does not want to really put what any of > the issues were or which center it was on the list. I'm sorry, I'm > just going by what she has asked me to put here. > > She basically just wants to know if she were to feel more training is > necessary since she has already attended an NFB training center could > she attend another one or a similar training center? > > Also she says windows live mail is flash based and Jaws keeps just > reading the top of the screen. If anyone knows anything about windows > live mail or how to make it work with Jaws feel free to write either > on or off list and let me know. > > I'm sorry I can't put more info about the situation. > Kerri > > On 8/26/11, David Dodge wrote: >> Kerri, >> I cannot really speak to the Windows Live issue because I am not a >> technology person by any stretch of the imagination. >> >> What specific problems, if you don't mind my asking, is your friend having >> at college? The reason I ask is because it will give a better >> understanding >> as to whether the issues are, forgive me, "typical" of college or if the >> lack of training really is the key issue. >> >> If she does decide it is the lack of training that is the issue then it >> would make sense to me for her to go back to a center if there is no other >> way she can get the training, experience, she needs. She needs to weigh >> the >> pros and cons for herself (with your guidance perhaps) about what would be >> best. Unless she goes in the summer, I assume she would be taking off time >> from college to do this and that can cause other obstacles as well. >> >> I feel like I've asked more questions than provided helpful insight, but I >> hope this at least starts some thinking. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> State University of New York Student Assembly >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Kerri Kosten >> wrote: >> >>> Hi All: >>> >>> I have a friend who is not on this list who is really struggling with >>> a few issues. Since she is not on this list she has asked me to post >>> some questions for her. >>> >>> Her school uses Windows Live for their email. She says this is flash >>> based and she can't seem to get it to work with Jaws. Does anyone know >>> or have any ideas of how to get windows live email to work with Jaws >>> or is it totally inaccessible? >>> >>> Next, my friend attended an NFB center (it was not LCB.) They were >>> changing some staff members around and because of this among other >>> things she was not taught some skills. Because of this she is having a >>> hard time with college and is very frustrated. Would it be possible >>> for her to go back to training and attend one of the other two NFB >>> training centers or one that is similar? >>> >>> Thanks so much! >>> Kerri >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Aug 27 17:40:31 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 13:40:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] the hurricane Message-ID: <620224BD2A8F4205A7045F37B22FB71A@OwnerPC> Hi all, For those along the east coast, we are preparing for a hurricane. If you are in North Carolina, you know it is already there. The news says that they got wind, but not the down pour of rain so far. Whether at school or home, stay safe. The possibility of a power outage is there. If you have no light perception, you are used to not having the light; but it will still be harder to function due to no tv, stove, laundry machines, etc. For those of us with some residual vision, I encourage you to have something on hand for a light source. Besides, a dark house/building looks unsafe. So have flashlights and lanterns handy. Have the essential stuff on hand if you are staying in at school or home. Things like non perishable food, batteries, an alarm clock that does not run on electricity and clean clothes. In a power outage we cannot wash clothes in the machine or dishes in the dish washer, of course. Stay safe everyone and if you were asked to evacuate, you should probably do so. We are just expected to get some high winds here and rain. But the rain hasn’t started in VA. The downpour will be tonight and tomorrow morning, they say. Good luck. Ashley From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 17:55:27 2011 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 13:55:27 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I thought I'd respond as a JAWS user who also uses WIndows Live to check school mail. I have found that it really isn't possible for a JAWS user to compose mail in Windows Live (If someone knows a way, please correct me). However, if when she enters Windows Live, she does an Insert + F7 to open links list, then chooses Hotmail (and there will be a number in parentheses after that), it will take her to the ibox. She can then go to the beginning of the e-mails using check boxes (hot key X). She should keep in mind that this does not open a seperate page with the e-mail. Instead, it opens the e-mail below the list of e-mail checkb oxes, so she should now press H for heading to go to the beginning of the e-mail she clicked enter on. Then she should be able to read the e-mail. To delete a message, she should check the box beside the e-mail, then use the Insert + F7 again and press D until she hears Delete. Click that and it'll delete the e-mail. AT my school, one of my accommodations is to use my Gmail account for contacting and replying to professors (otherwise, the professor is allowed to ignore all e-mails besides those from the school account). This is because of the issue with composing mail. Windows Live is irriting, but it's not flash based as far as I know. Oh, also, if she goes ot Blind Cool Tech, there is a podcast there about Windows Live with screenreaders. Blind Cool Tech can be found by doing a Google search for "Blind Cool Tech" and selecting the first search result. Sorry, I don't recall the URL. Hope that helps, Jewel On 8/27/11, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hi David and All: > > Because these lists are archived, searchable, and open to anyone who > wants to read them, my friend does not want to really put what any of > the issues were or which center it was on the list. I'm sorry, I'm > just going by what she has asked me to put here. > > She basically just wants to know if she were to feel more training is > necessary since she has already attended an NFB training center could > she attend another one or a similar training center? > > Also she says windows live mail is flash based and Jaws keeps just > reading the top of the screen. If anyone knows anything about windows > live mail or how to make it work with Jaws feel free to write either > on or off list and let me know. > > I'm sorry I can't put more info about the situation. > Kerri > > On 8/26/11, David Dodge wrote: >> Kerri, >> I cannot really speak to the Windows Live issue because I am not a >> technology person by any stretch of the imagination. >> >> What specific problems, if you don't mind my asking, is your friend having >> at college? The reason I ask is because it will give a better >> understanding >> as to whether the issues are, forgive me, "typical" of college or if the >> lack of training really is the key issue. >> >> If she does decide it is the lack of training that is the issue then it >> would make sense to me for her to go back to a center if there is no other >> way she can get the training, experience, she needs. She needs to weigh >> the >> pros and cons for herself (with your guidance perhaps) about what would be >> best. Unless she goes in the summer, I assume she would be taking off time >> from college to do this and that can cause other obstacles as well. >> >> I feel like I've asked more questions than provided helpful insight, but I >> hope this at least starts some thinking. >> >> David >> ---------------------------------- >> David Dodge >> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> State University of New York Student Assembly >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Kerri Kosten >> wrote: >> >>> Hi All: >>> >>> I have a friend who is not on this list who is really struggling with >>> a few issues. Since she is not on this list she has asked me to post >>> some questions for her. >>> >>> Her school uses Windows Live for their email. She says this is flash >>> based and she can't seem to get it to work with Jaws. Does anyone know >>> or have any ideas of how to get windows live email to work with Jaws >>> or is it totally inaccessible? >>> >>> Next, my friend attended an NFB center (it was not LCB.) They were >>> changing some staff members around and because of this among other >>> things she was not taught some skills. Because of this she is having a >>> hard time with college and is very frustrated. Would it be possible >>> for her to go back to training and attend one of the other two NFB >>> training centers or one that is similar? >>> >>> Thanks so much! >>> Kerri >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 19:04:27 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 13:04:27 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [New-hampshire-students] Fw: How to Save On Textbooks. Message-ID: <4e593ff2.06e88e0a.1d55.5830@mx.google.com> I spent $250 on books. I am on SSI and got $300 in grant money in the bank, so it was actually good that I did that. The most expensive book was my social work one, which was a new book. It was $113. I think that was the price. By the time I finished buying books, I couldn't have bought any more. Plus I wasn't sure I could get a book on order from Amazon without the inaccessible Kindle. That's just my two cents, or my $200 worth. lol Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Darian Smith , National Association of Blind Students mailing list , sandy meskys Message-ID: Kerri, I'm sorry your friend is experiencing problems. College can be frustrating enough without being compounded by outside concerns. I agree with David; if it's truly a matter of skills holding your friend back, it will be beneficial to seek out more training, but if the issues stem from problems most college students face, it may not be a matter of skills, but just learning the ropes along with everyone else. If their computer, Braille and travel skills are good, the issues are probably not skill-related. If your friend is frustrated because they can't access information due to the lack of these skills, or they are having difficulty keeping up because of the lack of these skills, then I would agree more training is necessary. If the problems don't seem to be skill-related though, it could be a matter of self-advocacy, or just simply problems every other college student is dealing with especially first-time college students. Your friend will have to assess the situation to discover where the issues really lie. I had a similar experience where I attended a top training center for the blind, but for one reason or another, I slipped through the cracks and certain skills were not reinforced. Once graduating from the center, I was able to work with a close friend on these skills, and I improved these skills. I also worked on my own to learn and reinforce the skills since I at least had a foundational knowledge. If your friend believes they lack skills necessary to complete college successfully, it will be worth it to pause school so they can attend a training center again. As I tell people, six to nine months is not much for a lifetime of independence. Since they already attended a center, their state rehab agency may not shoulder the cost again, assuming this is how it was done the first time. There may be a couple of options: 1. Though the goal is to train and not require it again, if one feels it is necessary, agencies will work with clients. You may be able to participate in classes that you need and not an entire program. For instance, just work on computer skills, or Braille reading. 2. You may be able to work with a field staff counselor. They can come to your home and work on specific training. 3. Participate in any summer intensive program offered by most agencies. You don't have to miss school, and you get a skill refresher in the process. 4. Seek out groups, organizations and individuals in your community who can provide help with refreshing you on the skills. I suggest you use a person who not only uses the skills themselves, but who demonstrates a positive attitude towards the skills. Again, I did this and ended up learning more than I did while in training, though I was lucky and this person (my hubby) has worked for state rehab agencies and taught the skills as well as using them himself). There are other options, but these are a few I can think of. Your friend really needs to start by speaking with a rehab counselor because this will most likely be the channel they will go through. If they do not receive satisfactory answers, they can take new steps after, but they need to speak with someone like this first. Can I at least ask what state your friend lives in, or what state they are in school in? Knowing this, we may be able to suggest people or groups who can help that live in that area. As for Windows Live, I use Hotmail for my personal email, which is Windows Live, and I'm a JAWS user, and I rarely encounter problems. I'm not sure how different a university-based Windows Live account is, but I know Hotmail is accessible with JAWS. I'm not tech or computer savvy so this is all the advice I can offer on the topic. Tell your friend good luck, and this list is always here for support and advice. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Aug 27 22:56:12 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:56:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kerri, Sorry to hear your friend is frustrated. I'm glad she asked your advice rather than slipping through the crack and possibly failing school. However, without knowing what skills she lacks, its hard to suggest a course of action. I agree with Bridgit. Assess the situation. What blindness skills are they and how long would it take to learn them? Are the skills actually blindness related: travel, computer, and braille? Perhaps they stem from other issues more academic or coping with a new environment. Maybe its time management. Maybe its lack of getting accessible handouts or accomodations with a professor; in that case, that is more of an advocacy skill. If books are the issue, remember to telll her about bookshare, learning ally, and of course the idea of hiring your own readers. As to your question: can she attend another training center for more skills? That really depends. As Bridgit said, since she attended a program already, they may be reluctant to shoulder the cost again. Did she actually graduate the center? How long was she there? She may want to think of staying in state rather than fight a battle for a whole program. If its just a few classes she needs, why fight the battle to attend a program when she really needs just a few areas? She needs to consider what she wants to do and if she wants to expend energy justifying going out of state for training. Some other ideas are: 1. Have a field rehab teacher or other teacher come to her home and teach that skill. In my state they provide this, but not frequently is the issue. O&M is taught in your community and any daily living task like labeling, braille, housekeeping, etc is taught by a rehab teacher. At least where I am they will send a technology tutor to you to teach any computer or notetaker skills. 2. Seek out other blindness nonprofits for teaching. For instance, the braille institute in CA; a lighthouse for the blind; in NC there is something called the Metrolina association for the blind. If I knew the state, I may be able to suggest other organizations to help. 3. Seek out other individuals who are blind to help. Maybe from the NFB chapter. Is she a member of her student division? If they are active, getting a friend from that group may help. They can chat on the phone about any computer questions and some daily living tasks. 4. If the skills needed are related to braille and academics, hadley school for the blind, a distance education program, has basic academic classes and braille. They have basic english skills like learning how to spell and punctuate sentences, to the advanced english classes of literature that you would find in a freshman college class. They do the same for math. There is also diagnostic tests if you do not know what class you would fit in. Go to www.hadley.edu to see their offerings; also they have webinars on a variety of topics from accessible technology to daily living. 5. A source for some technology training, if you pay for it, is Carroll center for the blind's Carrol Tech online classes. All there classes are for windows systems and I think geared to the 2007 office applications. But check the website and call them with any questions before signing up. The site is www.carrolltech.org. I have not taken a hadley class or done carroll tech, but plan to do both and see how it goes. Hadley has some english classes I'd like to take. I already have my degree, but I just want to keep up my reading and analytical skills. Don't forget about school resources for help with academics or related skills like time management or study skills. The school probably has a writing center, tutoring center, academic advisors and professors always have office hours. HTH, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Kerri Kosten Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 8:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend Hi All: I have a friend who is not on this list who is really struggling with a few issues. Since she is not on this list she has asked me to post some questions for her. Her school uses Windows Live for their email. She says this is flash based and she can't seem to get it to work with Jaws. Does anyone know or have any ideas of how to get windows live email to work with Jaws or is it totally inaccessible? Next, my friend attended an NFB center (it was not LCB.) They were changing some staff members around and because of this among other things she was not taught some skills. Because of this she is having a hard time with college and is very frustrated. Would it be possible for her to go back to training and attend one of the other two NFB training centers or one that is similar? Thanks so much! Kerri _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Aug 27 23:17:56 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO Message-ID: Hi, it's Joshua Lester. My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National Braille Press, about my Math textbook. They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in Braille. Where else can we go? Thanks, Joshua From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 23:31:36 2011 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 19:31:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Everyone: Thanks so much for all the helpful responses both on and fof list. My friend talked to someone and they gave her some ideas on how to solve her issues. She thinks these ideas will work and so she will not need to go for more training. I told her about the suggestions for using Windows live mail. I believe she can make it work and have it put into her accomodations to send and reply to her emails to her professors though Gmail. Again, thanks so much for all the help and information. Kerri On 8/27/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Kerri, > Sorry to hear your friend is frustrated. I'm glad she asked your advice > rather than slipping through the crack and possibly failing school. > However, without knowing what skills she lacks, its hard to suggest a > course of action. > I agree with Bridgit. Assess the situation. What blindness skills are they > and how long would it take to learn them? > Are the skills actually blindness related: travel, computer, and braille? > Perhaps they stem from other issues more academic or coping with a new > environment. Maybe its time management. Maybe its lack of getting accessible > handouts or accomodations with a professor; in that case, that is more of > an advocacy skill. If books are the issue, remember to telll her about > bookshare, learning ally, and of course the idea of hiring your own readers. > > As to your question: can she attend > another training center for more skills? That really depends. As Bridgit > said, since she attended a program already, they may be reluctant to > shoulder the cost again. Did she actually graduate the center? How long was > she there? > She may want to think of staying in state rather than fight a battle for a > whole program. If its just a few classes she needs, why fight the battle to > attend a program when she really needs just a few areas? > She needs to consider what she wants to do and if she wants to expend energy > justifying going out of state for training. > > Some other ideas are: > 1. Have a field rehab teacher or other teacher come to her home and teach > that skill. In my state they provide this, but not frequently is the issue. > O&M is taught in your community and any daily living task like labeling, > braille, housekeeping, etc is taught by a rehab teacher. At least where I am > they will send a technology tutor to you to teach any computer or notetaker > skills. > 2. Seek out other blindness nonprofits for teaching. For instance, the > braille institute in CA; a lighthouse for the blind; in NC there is > something called the Metrolina association for the blind. If I knew the > state, I may be able to suggest other organizations to help. > 3. Seek out other individuals who are blind to help. Maybe from the NFB > chapter. Is she a member of her student division? If they are active, > getting a friend from that group may help. They can chat on the phone about > any computer questions and some daily living tasks. > 4. If the skills needed are related to braille and academics, hadley school > for the blind, a distance education program, has basic academic classes and > braille. They have basic english skills like learning how to spell and > punctuate sentences, to the advanced english classes of literature that you > would find in a freshman college class. They do the same for math. There is > also diagnostic tests if you do not know what class you would fit in. > Go to www.hadley.edu to see their offerings; also they have webinars on a > variety of topics from accessible technology to daily living. > 5. A source for some technology training, if you pay for it, is Carroll > center for the blind's Carrol Tech online classes. All there classes are for > windows systems and I think geared to the 2007 office applications. But > check the website and call them with any questions before signing up. The > site is www.carrolltech.org. > I have not taken a hadley class or done carroll tech, but plan to do both > and see how it goes. Hadley has some english classes I'd like to take. I > already have my degree, but I just want to keep up my reading and analytical > skills. > > Don't forget about school resources for help with academics or related > skills like time management or study skills. The school probably has a > writing center, tutoring center, academic advisors and professors always > have office hours. > > HTH, > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kerri Kosten > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 8:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend > > Hi All: > > I have a friend who is not on this list who is really struggling with > a few issues. Since she is not on this list she has asked me to post > some questions for her. > > Her school uses Windows Live for their email. She says this is flash > based and she can't seem to get it to work with Jaws. Does anyone know > or have any ideas of how to get windows live email to work with Jaws > or is it totally inaccessible? > > Next, my friend attended an NFB center (it was not LCB.) They were > changing some staff members around and because of this among other > things she was not taught some skills. Because of this she is having a > hard time with college and is very frustrated. Would it be possible > for her to go back to training and attend one of the other two NFB > training centers or one that is similar? > > Thanks so much! > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Aug 27 23:51:10 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 19:51:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: National braille press does not have any college texts? Really? They used to! I saw a catalog of them, small, it was; but they had every subject including math. Try american printing house for the blind. You might have to have it transcribed; I think national braille press does transcribing or maybe there are local transcribers. Ask your vr counselor for transcribing agencies/contractors. I think the Braille Institute might do braille transcribing. Also national braille association and the Perkins school for the blind might be resources of transcribing math. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO Hi, it's Joshua Lester. My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National Braille Press, about my Math textbook. They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in Braille. Where else can we go? Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 00:08:23 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:08:23 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO Message-ID: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can offer. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester References: Message-ID: I don't have a VR counselor, in Arkansas, unless that's the Division of Services for the Blind. APH doesn't have anything, National Braille Association, I've never heard of them. Perkins School for the Blind, is a viable option. I'll tell my DSO person about them. I need my Intermediate Algebra book, now! My class should start, on Monday. Blessings, Joshua On 8/27/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > National braille press does not have any college texts? Really? They used > to! I saw a catalog of them, small, it was; but they had every subject > including math. > Try american printing house for the blind. You might have to have it > transcribed; I think national braille press does transcribing or maybe there > are local transcribers. Ask your vr counselor for transcribing > agencies/contractors. I think the Braille Institute might do braille > transcribing. > > Also national braille association and the Perkins school for the blind might > be resources of transcribing math. > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:17 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National Braille > Press, about my Math textbook. > They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in Braille. > Where else can we go? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Sun Aug 28 00:49:45 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 19:49:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Good evening Josh and everyone, If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the funds for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this before the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. The good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win in the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can offer. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: I did the research, and went with what I found, at first. I have received more information, and will go with what I've received. Blessings, Joshua On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Good evening Josh and everyone, > > If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a > transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the funds > for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this before > the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. The > good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win in > the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > > I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille > transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can > offer. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National > Braille > Press, about my Math textbook. > They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in > Braille. > Where else can we go? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > sloose%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 01:18:29 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:18:29 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, Where does that friend live? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kerri Kosten Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 4:32 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend Hi Everyone: Thanks so much for all the helpful responses both on and fof list. My friend talked to someone and they gave her some ideas on how to solve her issues. She thinks these ideas will work and so she will not need to go for more training. I told her about the suggestions for using Windows live mail. I believe she can make it work and have it put into her accomodations to send and reply to her emails to her professors though Gmail. Again, thanks so much for all the help and information. Kerri On 8/27/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Kerri, > Sorry to hear your friend is frustrated. I'm glad she asked your advice > rather than slipping through the crack and possibly failing school. > However, without knowing what skills she lacks, its hard to suggest a > course of action. > I agree with Bridgit. Assess the situation. What blindness skills are they > and how long would it take to learn them? > Are the skills actually blindness related: travel, computer, and braille? > Perhaps they stem from other issues more academic or coping with a new > environment. Maybe its time management. Maybe its lack of getting accessible > handouts or accomodations with a professor; in that case, that is more of > an advocacy skill. If books are the issue, remember to telll her about > bookshare, learning ally, and of course the idea of hiring your own readers. > > As to your question: can she attend > another training center for more skills? That really depends. As Bridgit > said, since she attended a program already, they may be reluctant to > shoulder the cost again. Did she actually graduate the center? How long was > she there? > She may want to think of staying in state rather than fight a battle for a > whole program. If its just a few classes she needs, why fight the battle to > attend a program when she really needs just a few areas? > She needs to consider what she wants to do and if she wants to expend energy > justifying going out of state for training. > > Some other ideas are: > 1. Have a field rehab teacher or other teacher come to her home and teach > that skill. In my state they provide this, but not frequently is the issue. > O&M is taught in your community and any daily living task like labeling, > braille, housekeeping, etc is taught by a rehab teacher. At least where I am > they will send a technology tutor to you to teach any computer or notetaker > skills. > 2. Seek out other blindness nonprofits for teaching. For instance, the > braille institute in CA; a lighthouse for the blind; in NC there is > something called the Metrolina association for the blind. If I knew the > state, I may be able to suggest other organizations to help. > 3. Seek out other individuals who are blind to help. Maybe from the NFB > chapter. Is she a member of her student division? If they are active, > getting a friend from that group may help. They can chat on the phone about > any computer questions and some daily living tasks. > 4. If the skills needed are related to braille and academics, hadley school > for the blind, a distance education program, has basic academic classes and > braille. They have basic english skills like learning how to spell and > punctuate sentences, to the advanced english classes of literature that you > would find in a freshman college class. They do the same for math. There is > also diagnostic tests if you do not know what class you would fit in. > Go to www.hadley.edu to see their offerings; also they have webinars on a > variety of topics from accessible technology to daily living. > 5. A source for some technology training, if you pay for it, is Carroll > center for the blind's Carrol Tech online classes. All there classes are for > windows systems and I think geared to the 2007 office applications. But > check the website and call them with any questions before signing up. The > site is www.carrolltech.org. > I have not taken a hadley class or done carroll tech, but plan to do both > and see how it goes. Hadley has some english classes I'd like to take. I > already have my degree, but I just want to keep up my reading and analytical > skills. > > Don't forget about school resources for help with academics or related > skills like time management or study skills. The school probably has a > writing center, tutoring center, academic advisors and professors always > have office hours. > > HTH, > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kerri Kosten > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 8:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend > > Hi All: > > I have a friend who is not on this list who is really struggling with > a few issues. Since she is not on this list she has asked me to post > some questions for her. > > Her school uses Windows Live for their email. She says this is flash > based and she can't seem to get it to work with Jaws. Does anyone know > or have any ideas of how to get windows live email to work with Jaws > or is it totally inaccessible? > > Next, my friend attended an NFB center (it was not LCB.) They were > changing some staff members around and because of this among other > things she was not taught some skills. Because of this she is having a > hard time with college and is very frustrated. Would it be possible > for her to go back to training and attend one of the other two NFB > training centers or one that is similar? > > Thanks so much! > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl ink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.c om > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 %40gmail.com From nimerjaber1 at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 01:23:51 2011 From: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nimer_M=2E_Jaber=2C_IC=B3?=) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 20:23:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Peter, I am really tired of your comments to this list. Who gives a damn about what he did or didn't do in the past. The past is done, we're talking about today. He wrote to this list asking how he can solve a problem, and that is pretty damn proactive if you ask me. Joshua, nice job on that. And all you can come up with is you'll have to raise the funds yourself and why didn't you do this before crap? How about answering the man's questions for a change? Joshua, your VR counselor is the same as DSB in Arkansas. That is what they do. They ought to have some resources for you. Peter is right that you will have to look into getting a reader for now, but Perkins and a few other resources as has been mentioned will do braille transcription, and it is possible that Arkansas has their own services that they offer, but I'm not too sure about this. Talk to your counselor down there and see what they say. If you don't get anywhere, please contact me off list and I will see what I can do as I have a couple of contacts down there in Arkansas and within a couple of other organizations that may be able to assist you. Sincerely Nimer J On 27.08.2011, Joshua Lester wrote: > I did the research, and went with what I found, at first. > I have received more information, and will go with what I've received. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Good evening Josh and everyone, >> >> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a >> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the funds >> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this >> before >> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. The >> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win in >> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >> >> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >> offer. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >> Braille >> Press, about my Math textbook. >> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >> Braille. >> Where else can we go? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >> sloose%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > -- Nimer M. Jaber The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email from your computer. Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ Vinux testing and documentation coordinator To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, please click here: http://www.vinuxproject.org To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: http://nimertech.blogspot.com Phone: (720) (251-4530) Please reply to this email to contact me. From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Aug 28 01:29:42 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 20:29:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Nimer, I've had issues with DSB, in the past, and they haven't been willing to help. I need a note taker, that they won't provide, and some textbooks. I've talked about DSB, in other threads. I'll try to contact them, as well. BTW, I'm a Pac Mate user. Thanks for defending me, but please cut out the cursing. Thanks, Joshua On 8/27/11, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: > Peter, > > I am really tired of your comments to this list. Who gives a damn > about what he did or didn't do in the past. The past is done, we're > talking about today. He wrote to this list asking how he can solve a > problem, and that is pretty damn proactive if you ask me. Joshua, nice > job on that. And all you can come up with is you'll have to raise the > funds yourself and why didn't you do this before crap? How about > answering the man's questions for a change? > > Joshua, your VR counselor is the same as DSB in Arkansas. That is what > they do. They ought to have some resources for you. Peter is right > that you will have to look into getting a reader for now, but Perkins > and a few other resources as has been mentioned will do braille > transcription, and it is possible that Arkansas has their own services > that they offer, but I'm not too sure about this. Talk to your > counselor down there and see what they say. If you don't get anywhere, > please contact me off list and I will see what I can do as I have a > couple of contacts down there in Arkansas and within a couple of other > organizations that may be able to assist you. > > Sincerely > > Nimer J > > On 27.08.2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I did the research, and went with what I found, at first. >> I have received more information, and will go with what I've received. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Good evening Josh and everyone, >>> >>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a >>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the funds >>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this >>> before >>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. >>> The >>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win >>> in >>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Beth" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>> >>> >>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >>> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >>> offer. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >>> Braille >>> Press, about my Math textbook. >>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >>> Braille. >>> Where else can we go? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >>> sloose%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Nimer M. Jaber > > The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. > If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify > me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken > as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient > may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my > machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible > for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions > or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. > Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these > instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies > of this email from your computer. > > Registered Linux User 529141. > http://counter.li.org/ > Vinux testing and documentation coordinator > To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, > please click here: > http://www.vinuxproject.org > > To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP > and above, please click here: > http://www.nvda-project.org > > Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: > http://nimertech.blogspot.com > > Phone: (720) (251-4530) > Please reply to this email to contact me. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From graduate56 at juno.com Sun Aug 28 02:05:17 2011 From: graduate56 at juno.com (Melissa Green) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 20:05:17 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] CaBS Conference call reminder. Message-ID: Hello all. There will be a cabs conference call tomorrow evening at 6:30 PM. We will discuss plans for the rest of year, which includes selecting our next couple of seminar locations, and state convention. We will also start something new. I would like to have a brief discussion on one philosophical issues, and one student related issue. The number to call in is as follows: 605-475-6006 and the code to enter is: 587726 Melissa Green Your mind will never forget what your heart won't forgive From daviddod at buffalo.edu Sun Aug 28 02:09:26 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 22:09:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Hello Everyone, What I am about to say is in response to some recent posts I've seen on this listserv but isn't directed at anyone in particular. It's just the way I personally think things should go. First, and most importantly, everyone needs to feel comfortable posting what they are posting on this listserv. Therefore, before sending something out I highly recommend that we consider whether what we say will make others feel uncomfortable about what they are posting. Next, we always have the option of sending a response to everyone or just sending the response to a single individual or smaller group of individuals. Before sending something we should consider which is more valuable the message to everyone or to one or fewer people. I think we can get into trouble and hinder productivity when we don't think about the above. Thanks. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Joshua Lester < jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote: > Nimer, I've had issues with DSB, in the past, and they haven't been > willing to help. > I need a note taker, that they won't provide, and some textbooks. > I've talked about DSB, in other threads. > I'll try to contact them, as well. > BTW, I'm a Pac Mate user. > Thanks for defending me, but please cut out the cursing. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 8/27/11, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: > > Peter, > > > > I am really tired of your comments to this list. Who gives a damn > > about what he did or didn't do in the past. The past is done, we're > > talking about today. He wrote to this list asking how he can solve a > > problem, and that is pretty damn proactive if you ask me. Joshua, nice > > job on that. And all you can come up with is you'll have to raise the > > funds yourself and why didn't you do this before crap? How about > > answering the man's questions for a change? > > > > Joshua, your VR counselor is the same as DSB in Arkansas. That is what > > they do. They ought to have some resources for you. Peter is right > > that you will have to look into getting a reader for now, but Perkins > > and a few other resources as has been mentioned will do braille > > transcription, and it is possible that Arkansas has their own services > > that they offer, but I'm not too sure about this. Talk to your > > counselor down there and see what they say. If you don't get anywhere, > > please contact me off list and I will see what I can do as I have a > > couple of contacts down there in Arkansas and within a couple of other > > organizations that may be able to assist you. > > > > Sincerely > > > > Nimer J > > > > On 27.08.2011, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> I did the research, and went with what I found, at first. > >> I have received more information, and will go with what I've received. > >> Blessings, Joshua > >> > >> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > >>> Good evening Josh and everyone, > >>> > >>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a > >>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the > funds > >>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this > >>> before > >>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. > >>> The > >>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win > >>> in > >>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. > >>> > >>> Peter Donahue > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Beth" > >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >>> > >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > >>> > >>> > >>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille > >>> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can > >>> offer. > >>> Beth > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > >>> > >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > >>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National > >>> Braille > >>> Press, about my Math textbook. > >>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in > >>> Braille. > >>> Where else can we go? > >>> Thanks, Joshua > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>> for nabs-l: > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > >>> sloose%40gmail.com > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > >> > > > > > > -- > > Nimer M. Jaber > > > > The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. > > If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify > > me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken > > as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient > > may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my > > machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible > > for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions > > or attachments provided by me. 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Nimer, BTW, please don't do anything in regards to calling people, until we've tried the places, that Ashley told me about. Thanks, Joshua On 8/27/11, David Dodge wrote: > Hello Everyone, > What I am about to say is in response to some recent posts I've seen on this > listserv but isn't directed at anyone in particular. It's just the way I > personally think things should go. > > First, and most importantly, everyone needs to feel comfortable posting what > they are posting on this listserv. Therefore, before sending something out I > highly recommend that we consider whether what we say will make others feel > uncomfortable about what they are posting. > > Next, we always have the option of sending a response to everyone or just > sending the response to a single individual or smaller group of individuals. > Before sending something we should consider which is more valuable the > message to everyone or to one or fewer people. > > I think we can get into trouble and hinder productivity when we don't think > about the above. > > Thanks. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Joshua Lester < > jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote: > >> Nimer, I've had issues with DSB, in the past, and they haven't been >> willing to help. >> I need a note taker, that they won't provide, and some textbooks. >> I've talked about DSB, in other threads. >> I'll try to contact them, as well. >> BTW, I'm a Pac Mate user. >> Thanks for defending me, but please cut out the cursing. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 8/27/11, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: >> > Peter, >> > >> > I am really tired of your comments to this list. Who gives a damn >> > about what he did or didn't do in the past. The past is done, we're >> > talking about today. He wrote to this list asking how he can solve a >> > problem, and that is pretty damn proactive if you ask me. Joshua, nice >> > job on that. And all you can come up with is you'll have to raise the >> > funds yourself and why didn't you do this before crap? How about >> > answering the man's questions for a change? >> > >> > Joshua, your VR counselor is the same as DSB in Arkansas. That is what >> > they do. They ought to have some resources for you. Peter is right >> > that you will have to look into getting a reader for now, but Perkins >> > and a few other resources as has been mentioned will do braille >> > transcription, and it is possible that Arkansas has their own services >> > that they offer, but I'm not too sure about this. Talk to your >> > counselor down there and see what they say. If you don't get anywhere, >> > please contact me off list and I will see what I can do as I have a >> > couple of contacts down there in Arkansas and within a couple of other >> > organizations that may be able to assist you. >> > >> > Sincerely >> > >> > Nimer J >> > >> > On 27.08.2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >> I did the research, and went with what I found, at first. >> >> I have received more information, and will go with what I've received. >> >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> >> >> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> >>> Good evening Josh and everyone, >> >>> >> >>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a >> >>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the >> funds >> >>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this >> >>> before >> >>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. >> >>> The >> >>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and >> >>> win >> >>> in >> >>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your >> >>> situation. >> >>> >> >>> Peter Donahue >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "Beth" >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >>> >> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >> >>> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >> >>> offer. >> >>> Beth >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: Joshua Lester > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>> > >>> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >>> >> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> >>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >> >>> Braille >> >>> Press, about my Math textbook. >> >>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >> >>> Braille. >> >>> Where else can we go? >> >>> Thanks, Joshua >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>> for nabs-l: >> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >> >>> sloose%40gmail.com >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Nimer M. Jaber >> > >> > The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. >> > If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify >> > me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken >> > as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient >> > may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my >> > machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible >> > for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions >> > or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. >> > Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these >> > instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies >> > of this email from your computer. >> > >> > Registered Linux User 529141. >> > http://counter.li.org/ >> > Vinux testing and documentation coordinator >> > To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, >> > please click here: >> > http://www.vinuxproject.org >> > >> > To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP >> > and above, please click here: >> > http://www.nvda-project.org >> > >> > Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: >> > http://nimertech.blogspot.com >> > >> > Phone: (720) (251-4530) >> > Please reply to this email to contact me. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 28 04:31:51 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 00:31:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com><000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <8E854698B83540DC92BA3A6BF9BA74B1@OwnerPC> Joshua, I find it appalling your DSB will not purchase a notetaker. You need that to be successful in college, especially if you read contracted braille. Why haven't you fought it? The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Have your NFB state president write a letter; go up the chain of command if you can't get it resolved at a low level. I have a braille note and don't see how I'd live without it. Its just such a quick and portable way to take and read notes; plus I have my calendar and phone list there too. I have major things in hard copy braille as well in case I cannot read the braille note. But its such a helpful tool in the tool box. Now as to your braille book you need, if classes start next week, I'm afraid you will not have the book. College texts are rarely brailled; you will need this transcribed. The time and expense to transcribe a book is a lot. You might be better off taking the class next semester when accomodations are in place. The National braille association is a nonprofit in NY; I think they transcribe books. Basically they are a group of transcribers and tran transcribers. Their mission states WHAT WE DO Our mission is: To provide continuing education to those who prepare braille, and to provide braille materials to persons who are visually impaired. The site is www.nationalbraille.org. If they cannot help, they will know who can. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 9:29 PM To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO Nimer, I've had issues with DSB, in the past, and they haven't been willing to help. I need a note taker, that they won't provide, and some textbooks. I've talked about DSB, in other threads. I'll try to contact them, as well. BTW, I'm a Pac Mate user. Thanks for defending me, but please cut out the cursing. Thanks, Joshua On 8/27/11, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: > Peter, > > I am really tired of your comments to this list. Who gives a damn > about what he did or didn't do in the past. The past is done, we're > talking about today. He wrote to this list asking how he can solve a > problem, and that is pretty damn proactive if you ask me. Joshua, nice > job on that. And all you can come up with is you'll have to raise the > funds yourself and why didn't you do this before crap? How about > answering the man's questions for a change? > > Joshua, your VR counselor is the same as DSB in Arkansas. That is what > they do. They ought to have some resources for you. Peter is right > that you will have to look into getting a reader for now, but Perkins > and a few other resources as has been mentioned will do braille > transcription, and it is possible that Arkansas has their own services > that they offer, but I'm not too sure about this. Talk to your > counselor down there and see what they say. If you don't get anywhere, > please contact me off list and I will see what I can do as I have a > couple of contacts down there in Arkansas and within a couple of other > organizations that may be able to assist you. > > Sincerely > > Nimer J > > On 27.08.2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I did the research, and went with what I found, at first. >> I have received more information, and will go with what I've received. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Good evening Josh and everyone, >>> >>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a >>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the >>> funds >>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this >>> before >>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. >>> The >>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win >>> in >>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Beth" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>> >>> >>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >>> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >>> offer. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >>> Braille >>> Press, about my Math textbook. >>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >>> Braille. >>> Where else can we go? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >>> sloose%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Nimer M. Jaber > > The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. > If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify > me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken > as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient > may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my > machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible > for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions > or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. > Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these > instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies > of this email from your computer. > > Registered Linux User 529141. > http://counter.li.org/ > Vinux testing and documentation coordinator > To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, > please click here: > http://www.vinuxproject.org > > To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP > and above, please click here: > http://www.nvda-project.org > > Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: > http://nimertech.blogspot.com > > Phone: (720) (251-4530) > Please reply to this email to contact me. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Aug 28 04:38:07 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 23:38:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: <8E854698B83540DC92BA3A6BF9BA74B1@OwnerPC> References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <8E854698B83540DC92BA3A6BF9BA74B1@OwnerPC> Message-ID: It isn't a problem, being that the class is endependent study, but I want to take College Algebra, in the normal classroom, next semester. I'll send the DSO the Website. Thanks, Ashley, for the help. BTW, I sent you an E-mail, a while back. Please E-mail me, off list. Blessings, Joshua On 8/27/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Joshua, > I find it appalling your DSB will not purchase a notetaker. You need that to > be successful in college, especially if you read contracted braille. > Why haven't you fought it? The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Have your NFB > state president write a letter; go up the chain of command if you can't get > it resolved at a low level. I have a braille note and don't see how I'd live > without it. Its just such a quick and portable way to take and read notes; > plus I have my calendar and phone list there too. I have major things in > hard copy braille as well in case I cannot read the braille note. But its > such a helpful tool in the tool box. > Now as to your braille book you need, if classes start next week, I'm afraid > you will not have the book. College texts are rarely brailled; you will need > this transcribed. The time and expense > to transcribe a book is a lot. You might be better off taking the class next > semester when accomodations are in place. > The National braille association is a nonprofit in NY; I > think they transcribe books. Basically they are a group of transcribers and > tran transcribers. > Their mission states > > > WHAT WE DO > > Our mission is: > > To provide continuing education to those who prepare braille, and to provide > braille materials to persons who are visually impaired. > > The site is www.nationalbraille.org. If they cannot help, they will know who > can. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 9:29 PM > To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > Nimer, I've had issues with DSB, in the past, and they haven't been > willing to help. > I need a note taker, that they won't provide, and some textbooks. > I've talked about DSB, in other threads. > I'll try to contact them, as well. > BTW, I'm a Pac Mate user. > Thanks for defending me, but please cut out the cursing. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 8/27/11, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: >> Peter, >> >> I am really tired of your comments to this list. Who gives a damn >> about what he did or didn't do in the past. The past is done, we're >> talking about today. He wrote to this list asking how he can solve a >> problem, and that is pretty damn proactive if you ask me. Joshua, nice >> job on that. And all you can come up with is you'll have to raise the >> funds yourself and why didn't you do this before crap? How about >> answering the man's questions for a change? >> >> Joshua, your VR counselor is the same as DSB in Arkansas. That is what >> they do. They ought to have some resources for you. Peter is right >> that you will have to look into getting a reader for now, but Perkins >> and a few other resources as has been mentioned will do braille >> transcription, and it is possible that Arkansas has their own services >> that they offer, but I'm not too sure about this. Talk to your >> counselor down there and see what they say. If you don't get anywhere, >> please contact me off list and I will see what I can do as I have a >> couple of contacts down there in Arkansas and within a couple of other >> organizations that may be able to assist you. >> >> Sincerely >> >> Nimer J >> >> On 27.08.2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> I did the research, and went with what I found, at first. >>> I have received more information, and will go with what I've received. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> Good evening Josh and everyone, >>>> >>>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a >>>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the >>>> funds >>>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this >>>> before >>>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. >>>> The >>>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win >>>> in >>>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. >>>> >>>> Peter Donahue >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Beth" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>>> >>>> >>>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >>>> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >>>> offer. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>>> >>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >>>> Braille >>>> Press, about my Math textbook. >>>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >>>> Braille. >>>> Where else can we go? >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >>>> sloose%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Nimer M. Jaber >> >> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. >> If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify >> me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken >> as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient >> may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my >> machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible >> for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions >> or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. >> Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these >> instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies >> of this email from your computer. >> >> Registered Linux User 529141. >> http://counter.li.org/ >> Vinux testing and documentation coordinator >> To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, >> please click here: >> http://www.vinuxproject.org >> >> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP >> and above, please click here: >> http://www.nvda-project.org >> >> Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: >> http://nimertech.blogspot.com >> >> Phone: (720) (251-4530) >> Please reply to this email to contact me. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From steve.jacobson at visi.com Sun Aug 28 05:08:52 2011 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 00:08:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Josh, You have gotten other comments on this already, but National Braille Press is not really a source for textbooks. They have some, but that isn't their strong point. The American Printing House has a database that can be searched which includes books being transcribed by volunteers and agencies around the country. You need to check that out. Your DSO person should know all this, but I understand they work with many different disabilities. Please know that if you find the book, it often works to use a different edition that is being used by your class. The differences between editions are usually very small. I used a Calculus book in braille that was the fourth edition while my class used the Fifth Edition. I never found what was different through an entire four quarter course. There are agencies that will try to braille books for you. The problem is that they can't do it overnight. You need to be checking this out a month or two before starting your class. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500, Joshua Lester wrote: >Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National Braille >Press, about my Math textbook. >They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in Braille. >Where else can we go? >Thanks, Joshua >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Aug 28 05:29:38 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 00:29:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mr Jacobson, I'm checking it out, and hopefully I'll have my Braille books, for next semester. It's not a problem, now. I've E-mailed the DSO, about the National Braille Association, and she knows about APH, as well, as NBP. We're working on it, the best we can. Blessings, Joshua On 8/28/11, Steve Jacobson wrote: > Josh, > > You have gotten other comments on this already, but National Braille Press > is not really a source for textbooks. They > have some, but that isn't their strong point. The American Printing House > has a database that can be searched which > includes books being transcribed by volunteers and agencies around the > country. You need to check that out. Your > DSO person should know all this, but I understand they work with many > different disabilities. > > Please know that if you find the book, it often works to use a different > edition that is being used by your class. The > differences between editions are usually very small. I used a Calculus book > in braille that was the fourth edition while > my class used the Fifth Edition. I never found what was different through > an entire four quarter course. > > There are agencies that will try to braille books for you. The problem is > that they can't do it overnight. You need to be > checking this out a month or two before starting your class. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500, Joshua Lester wrote: > >>Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National Braille >>Press, about my Math textbook. >>They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in Braille. >>Where else can we go? >>Thanks, Joshua > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From carlymih at earthlink.net Sun Aug 28 06:13:14 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 23:13:14 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <8E854698B83540DC92BA3A6BF9BA74B1@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110827225948.01d32fa0@earthlink.net> Hi, Joshua L. It just so happens that I am taking college Algebra this semester, as well and I don't know how you plan on doing the homework but, what has alluminated itself evident to me is that, since I am, due to severe appraxia which is a bblessing of brain damige, am for now unable to desiphor tricky, braille characteres, I have been working upon an auditory plane, for a couple years now. Though I could try to negociate things, such that I could do math homework on the computer, you really need to do it realtime, or at least I do. My math tutor happens to live with me so we can have these break out study sessions, while doing chores or traveling, executed completely, upon a mental plane. So far, tutor and I have just been reading and discussing the assigned chapter and section before merely talking and discussing it. 'Teach, has agreed to drop the homework points. do11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > > Joshua, > > I find it appalling your DSB will not > purchase a notetaker. You need that to > > be successful in college, especially if you read contracted braille. > > Why haven't you fought it? The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Have your NFB > > state president write a letter; go up the chain of command if you can't get > > it resolved at a low level. I have a braille > note and don't see how I'd live > > without it. Its just such a quick and portable way to take and read notes; > > plus I have my calendar and phone list there too. I have major things in > > hard copy braille as well in case I cannot read the braille note. But its > > such a helpful tool in the tool box. > > Now as to your braille book you need, if > classes start next week, I'm afraid > > you will not have the book. College texts are > rarely brailled; you will need > > this transcribed. The time and expense > > to transcribe a book is a lot. You might be > better off taking the class next > > semester when accomodations are in place. > > The National braille association is a nonprofit in NY; I > > think they transcribe books. Basically they are a group of transcribers and > > tran transcribers. > > Their mission states > > > > > > WHAT WE DO > > > > Our mission is: > > > > To provide continuing education to those who > prepare braille, and to provide > > braille materials to persons who are visually impaired. > > > > The site is www.nationalbraille.org. If they > cannot help, they will know who > > can. > > > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joshua Lester > > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 9:29 PM > > To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing > > list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > > > Nimer, I've had issues with DSB, in the past, and they haven't been > > willing to help. > > I need a note taker, that they won't provide, and some textbooks. > > I've talked about DSB, in other threads. > > I'll try to contact them, as well. > > BTW, I'm a Pac Mate user. > > Thanks for defending me, but please cut out the cursing. > > Thanks, Joshua > > > > On 8/27/11, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: > >> Peter, > >> > >> I am really tired of your comments to this list. Who gives a damn > >> about what he did or didn't do in the past. The past is done, we're > >> talking about today. He wrote to this list asking how he can solve a > >> problem, and that is pretty damn proactive if you ask me. Joshua, nice > >> job on that. And all you can come up with is you'll have to raise the > >> funds yourself and why didn't you do this before crap? How about > >> answering the man's questions for a change? > >> > >> Joshua, your VR counselor is the same as DSB in Arkansas. That is what > >> they do. They ought to have some resources for you. Peter is right > >> that you will have to look into getting a reader for now, but Perkins > >> and a few other resources as has been mentioned will do braille > >> transcription, and it is possible that Arkansas has their own services > >> that they offer, but I'm not too sure about this. Talk to your > >> counselor down there and see what they say. If you don't get anywhere, > >> please contact me off list and I will see what I can do as I have a > >> couple of contacts down there in Arkansas and within a couple of other > >> organizations that may be able to assist you. > >> > >> Sincerely > >> > >> Nimer J > >> > >> On 27.08.2011, Joshua Lester wrote: > >>> I did the research, and went with what I found, at first. > >>> I have received more information, and will go with what I've received. > >>> Blessings, Joshua > >>> > >>> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > >>>> Good evening Josh and everyone, > >>>> > >>>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a > >>>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the > >>>> funds > >>>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this > >>>> before > >>>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. > >>>> The > >>>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win > >>>> in > >>>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. > >>>> > >>>> Peter Donahue > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "Beth" > >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >>>> > >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM > >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille > >>>> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can > >>>> offer. > >>>> Beth > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 > >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > >>>> > >>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > >>>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National > >>>> Braille > >>>> Press, about my Math textbook. > >>>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in > >>>> Braille. > >>>> Where else can we go? > >>>> Thanks, Joshua > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>> for nabs-l: > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > >>>> sloose%40gmail.com > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Nimer M. Jaber > >> > >> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. > >> If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify > >> me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken > >> as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient > >> may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my > >> machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible > >> for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions > >> or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. > >> Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these > >> instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies > >> of this email from your computer. > >> > >> Registered Linux User 529141. > >> http://counter.li.org/ > >> Vinux testing and documentation coordinator > >> To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, > >> please click here: > >> http://www.vinuxproject.org > >> > >> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP > >> and above, please click here: > >> http://www.nvda-project.org > >> > >> Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: > >> http://nimertech.blogspot.com > >> > >> Phone: (720) (251-4530) > >> Please reply to this email to contact me. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Aug 28 07:20:32 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 02:20:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110827225948.01d32fa0@earthlink.net> References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <8E854698B83540DC92BA3A6BF9BA74B1@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20110827225948.01d32fa0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I'm okay with the endependent study, the way things are now, but I would love to be in a normal classroom. Blessings, Joshua On 8/28/11, Carly wrote: > > > > Hi, Joshua L. > > It just so happens that I am taking college > Algebra this semester, as well and I don't know > how you plan on doing the homework but, what has > alluminated itself evident to me is that, since I > am, due to severe appraxia which is a bblessing > of brain damige, am for now unable to desiphor > tricky, braille characteres, I have been working > upon an auditory plane, for a couple years now. > Though I could try to negociate things, such that > I could do math homework on the computer, you > really need to do it realtime, or at least I do. > > My math tutor happens to live with me so we can > have these break out study sessions, while doing > chores or traveling, executed completely, upon a mental plane. > > So far, tutor and I have just been reading and > discussing the assigned chapter and section > before merely talking and discussing it. 'Teach, > has agreed to drop the homework points. do11, > bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >> > Joshua, >> > I find it appalling your DSB will not >> purchase a notetaker. You need that to >> > be successful in college, especially if you read contracted braille. >> > Why haven't you fought it? The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Have your >> > NFB >> > state president write a letter; go up the chain of command if you can't >> > get >> > it resolved at a low level. I have a braille >> note and don't see how I'd live >> > without it. Its just such a quick and portable way to take and read >> > notes; >> > plus I have my calendar and phone list there too. I have major things in >> > hard copy braille as well in case I cannot read the braille note. But >> > its >> > such a helpful tool in the tool box. >> > Now as to your braille book you need, if >> classes start next week, I'm afraid >> > you will not have the book. College texts are >> rarely brailled; you will need >> > this transcribed. The time and expense >> > to transcribe a book is a lot. You might be >> better off taking the class next >> > semester when accomodations are in place. >> > The National braille association is a nonprofit in NY; I >> > think they transcribe books. Basically they are a group of transcribers >> > and >> > tran transcribers. >> > Their mission states >> > >> > >> > WHAT WE DO >> > >> > Our mission is: >> > >> > To provide continuing education to those who >> prepare braille, and to provide >> > braille materials to persons who are visually impaired. >> > >> > The site is www.nationalbraille.org. If they >> cannot help, they will know who >> > can. >> > >> > Ashley >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Joshua Lester >> > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 9:29 PM >> > To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students >> > mailing >> > list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> > >> > Nimer, I've had issues with DSB, in the past, and they haven't been >> > willing to help. >> > I need a note taker, that they won't provide, and some textbooks. >> > I've talked about DSB, in other threads. >> > I'll try to contact them, as well. >> > BTW, I'm a Pac Mate user. >> > Thanks for defending me, but please cut out the cursing. >> > Thanks, Joshua >> > >> > On 8/27/11, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: >> >> Peter, >> >> >> >> I am really tired of your comments to this list. Who gives a damn >> >> about what he did or didn't do in the past. The past is done, we're >> >> talking about today. He wrote to this list asking how he can solve a >> >> problem, and that is pretty damn proactive if you ask me. Joshua, nice >> >> job on that. And all you can come up with is you'll have to raise the >> >> funds yourself and why didn't you do this before crap? How about >> >> answering the man's questions for a change? >> >> >> >> Joshua, your VR counselor is the same as DSB in Arkansas. That is what >> >> they do. They ought to have some resources for you. Peter is right >> >> that you will have to look into getting a reader for now, but Perkins >> >> and a few other resources as has been mentioned will do braille >> >> transcription, and it is possible that Arkansas has their own services >> >> that they offer, but I'm not too sure about this. Talk to your >> >> counselor down there and see what they say. If you don't get anywhere, >> >> please contact me off list and I will see what I can do as I have a >> >> couple of contacts down there in Arkansas and within a couple of other >> >> organizations that may be able to assist you. >> >> >> >> Sincerely >> >> >> >> Nimer J >> >> >> >> On 27.08.2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >>> I did the research, and went with what I found, at first. >> >>> I have received more information, and will go with what I've received. >> >>> Blessings, Joshua >> >>> >> >>> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> >>>> Good evening Josh and everyone, >> >>>> >> >>>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a >> >>>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the >> >>>> funds >> >>>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this >> >>>> before >> >>>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to >> >>>> hoe. >> >>>> The >> >>>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and >> >>>> win >> >>>> in >> >>>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your >> >>>> situation. >> >>>> >> >>>> Peter Donahue >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>> From: "Beth" >> >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >>>> >> >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >> >>>> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >> >>>> offer. >> >>>> Beth >> >>>> >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>> From: Joshua Lester > >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>>> > >>>> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >> >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >>>> >> >>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> >>>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >> >>>> Braille >> >>>> Press, about my Math textbook. >> >>>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >> >>>> Braille. >> >>>> Where else can we go? >> >>>> Thanks, Joshua >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>> for nabs-l: >> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >> >>>> sloose%40gmail.com >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>>> nabs-l: >> >>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>>> nabs-l: >> >>>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Nimer M. Jaber >> >> >> >> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. >> >> If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify >> >> me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken >> >> as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient >> >> may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my >> >> machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible >> >> for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions >> >> or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. >> >> Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these >> >> instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies >> >> of this email from your computer. >> >> >> >> Registered Linux User 529141. >> >> http://counter.li.org/ >> >> Vinux testing and documentation coordinator >> >> To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, >> >> please click here: >> >> http://www.vinuxproject.org >> >> >> >> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP >> >> and above, please click here: >> >> http://www.nvda-project.org >> >> >> >> Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: >> >> http://nimertech.blogspot.com >> >> >> >> Phone: (720) (251-4530) >> >> Please reply to this email to contact me. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From carlymih at earthlink.net Sun Aug 28 07:39:31 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 00:39:31 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110828003430.01cb33d0@earthlink.net> Hi, David, insidious muzzle, is that. I probably needn't remind you that, people rarely, restrain themselves in the name of how it could potentially make others feel. In short, if free speech is to be sanctioned ground, why must we have such discourse, forced upon us?07:09 PM 8/27/2011, David Dodge wrote: >Hello Everyone, >What I am about to say is in response to some recent posts I've seen on this >listserv but isn't directed at anyone in particular. It's just the way I >personally think things should go. > >First, and most importantly, everyone needs to feel comfortable posting what >they are posting on this listserv. Therefore, before sending something out I >highly recommend that we consider whether what we say will make others feel >uncomfortable about what they are posting. > >Next, we always have the option of sending a response to everyone or just >sending the response to a single individual or smaller group of individuals. >Before sending something we should consider which is more valuable the >message to everyone or to one or fewer people. > >I think we can get into trouble and hinder productivity when we don't think >about the above. > >Thanks. > >David >---------------------------------- >David Dodge >Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >State University of New York Student Assembly >English Major >University at Buffalo >306 Clemens Hall >Buffalo, NY 14260 >daviddod at buffalo.edu > > >On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Joshua Lester < >jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu> wrote: > > > Nimer, I've had issues with DSB, in the past, and they haven't been > > willing to help. > > I need a note taker, that they won't provide, and some textbooks. > > I've talked about DSB, in other threads. > > I'll try to contact them, as well. > > BTW, I'm a Pac Mate user. > > Thanks for defending me, but please cut out the cursing. > > Thanks, Joshua > > > > On 8/27/11, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: > > > Peter, > > > > > > I am really tired of your comments to this list. Who gives a damn > > > about what he did or didn't do in the past. The past is done, we're > > > talking about today. He wrote to this list asking how he can solve a > > > problem, and that is pretty damn proactive if you ask me. Joshua, nice > > > job on that. And all you can come up with is you'll have to raise the > > > funds yourself and why didn't you do this before crap? How about > > > answering the man's questions for a change? > > > > > > Joshua, your VR counselor is the same as DSB in Arkansas. That is what > > > they do. They ought to have some resources for you. Peter is right > > > that you will have to look into getting a reader for now, but Perkins > > > and a few other resources as has been mentioned will do braille > > > transcription, and it is possible that Arkansas has their own services > > > that they offer, but I'm not too sure about this. Talk to your > > > counselor down there and see what they say. If you don't get anywhere, > > > please contact me off list and I will see what I can do as I have a > > > couple of contacts down there in Arkansas and within a couple of other > > > organizations that may be able to assist you. > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > Nimer J > > > > > > On 27.08.2011, Joshua Lester wrote: > > >> I did the research, and went with what I found, at first. > > >> I have received more information, and will go with what I've received. > > >> Blessings, Joshua > > >> > > >> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > > >>> Good evening Josh and everyone, > > >>> > > >>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a > > >>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the > > funds > > >>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this > > >>> before > > >>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. > > >>> The > > >>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win > > >>> in > > >>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. > > >>> > > >>> Peter Donahue > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> From: "Beth" > > >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > >>> > > >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM > > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille > > >>> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can > > >>> offer. > > >>> Beth > > >>> > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> From: Joshua Lester > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > >>> > >>> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 > > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > >>> > > >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > > >>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National > > >>> Braille > > >>> Press, about my Math textbook. > > >>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in > > >>> Braille. > > >>> Where else can we go? > > >>> Thanks, Joshua > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> nabs-l mailing list > > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > >>> for nabs-l: > > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > > >>> sloose%40gmail.com > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> nabs-l mailing list > > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > >>> nabs-l: > > >>> > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> nabs-l mailing list > > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > >>> nabs-l: > > >>> > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > >>> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> nabs-l mailing list > > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > >> nabs-l: > > >> > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Nimer M. Jaber > > > > > > The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. > > > If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify > > > me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken > > > as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient > > > may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my > > > machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible > > > for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions > > > or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. > > > Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these > > > instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies > > > of this email from your computer. > > > > > > Registered Linux User 529141. > > > http://counter.li.org/ > > > Vinux testing and documentation coordinator > > > To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, > > > please click here: > > > http://www.vinuxproject.org > > > > > > To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP > > > and above, please click here: > > > http://www.nvda-project.org > > > > > > Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: > > > http://nimertech.blogspot.com > > > > > > Phone: (720) (251-4530) > > > Please reply to this email to contact me. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > > nabs-l: > > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From troubleclark at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 11:49:29 2011 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 07:49:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] huricane Irene In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Chris, How are you and your family doing with the storm, it is a big one? Also, are you in the dark or are you like me and my family who still have power? I hope this storm gets out of here as soon as possible. Sincerely, Nathan On 8/27/11, chris nusbaum wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I would just like to encourage everyone to stay safe if you're in the > huge path of Hurricane Irene. It seems like a pretty big one, so > please be carefull and heed the authorities' warnings and evacuate if > you need to. I'm here in northern Maryland and we're preparing for the > storm to hit. I was planning on going to the MDABS (Maryland > Association of Blind Students) annual seminar today at the national > center in Baltimore today, but unfortunately had to miss it because my > mom was worried about getting home tonight. So, while I'm disappointed > (very much so,) I hope nobody gets hurt who ends up going. So, once > again, please be safe and use common sense in this storm! That's all I > have to say. I hope everybody has a safe weekend if they're in the > path of the huricane! > > Chris > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com > From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Sun Aug 28 12:22:19 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 07:22:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com><000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <8E854698B83540DC92BA3A6BF9BA74B1@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <000901cc657d$21d53500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Good morning everyone, It's not their responsibility. He needs to purchess it himself or sign up for VR services so his state agency can buy it for him. I'm afraid he's put the cart before the horse in alot of ways before starting school. One would never dream of becoming a carpenter without first acquiring tools to work with and seeking certifications to help him/her begin a successful career. ----- Peter Donahue Original Message ----- From: To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO Joshua, I find it appalling your DSB will not purchase a notetaker. You need that to be successful in college, especially if you read contracted braille. Why haven't you fought it? The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Have your NFB state president write a letter; go up the chain of command if you can't get it resolved at a low level. I have a braille note and don't see how I'd live without it. Its just such a quick and portable way to take and read notes; plus I have my calendar and phone list there too. I have major things in hard copy braille as well in case I cannot read the braille note. But its such a helpful tool in the tool box. Now as to your braille book you need, if classes start next week, I'm afraid you will not have the book. College texts are rarely brailled; you will need this transcribed. The time and expense to transcribe a book is a lot. You might be better off taking the class next semester when accomodations are in place. The National braille association is a nonprofit in NY; I think they transcribe books. Basically they are a group of transcribers and tran transcribers. Their mission states WHAT WE DO Our mission is: To provide continuing education to those who prepare braille, and to provide braille materials to persons who are visually impaired. The site is www.nationalbraille.org. If they cannot help, they will know who can. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 9:29 PM To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO Nimer, I've had issues with DSB, in the past, and they haven't been willing to help. I need a note taker, that they won't provide, and some textbooks. I've talked about DSB, in other threads. I'll try to contact them, as well. BTW, I'm a Pac Mate user. Thanks for defending me, but please cut out the cursing. Thanks, Joshua On 8/27/11, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: > Peter, > > I am really tired of your comments to this list. Who gives a damn > about what he did or didn't do in the past. The past is done, we're > talking about today. He wrote to this list asking how he can solve a > problem, and that is pretty damn proactive if you ask me. Joshua, nice > job on that. And all you can come up with is you'll have to raise the > funds yourself and why didn't you do this before crap? How about > answering the man's questions for a change? > > Joshua, your VR counselor is the same as DSB in Arkansas. That is what > they do. They ought to have some resources for you. Peter is right > that you will have to look into getting a reader for now, but Perkins > and a few other resources as has been mentioned will do braille > transcription, and it is possible that Arkansas has their own services > that they offer, but I'm not too sure about this. Talk to your > counselor down there and see what they say. If you don't get anywhere, > please contact me off list and I will see what I can do as I have a > couple of contacts down there in Arkansas and within a couple of other > organizations that may be able to assist you. > > Sincerely > > Nimer J > > On 27.08.2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I did the research, and went with what I found, at first. >> I have received more information, and will go with what I've received. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Good evening Josh and everyone, >>> >>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a >>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the >>> funds >>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this >>> before >>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. >>> The >>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win >>> in >>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Beth" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>> >>> >>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >>> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >>> offer. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >>> Braille >>> Press, about my Math textbook. >>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >>> Braille. >>> Where else can we go? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >>> sloose%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Nimer M. Jaber > > The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. > If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify > me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken > as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient > may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my > machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible > for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions > or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. > Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these > instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies > of this email from your computer. > > Registered Linux User 529141. > http://counter.li.org/ > Vinux testing and documentation coordinator > To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, > please click here: > http://www.vinuxproject.org > > To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP > and above, please click here: > http://www.nvda-project.org > > Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: > http://nimertech.blogspot.com > > Phone: (720) (251-4530) > Please reply to this email to contact me. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Aug 28 14:40:28 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 09:40:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: <000901cc657d$21d53500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <8E854698B83540DC92BA3A6BF9BA74B1@OwnerPC> <000901cc657d$21d53500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: The DSB, is the same as VR. They aren't cooperating! This is getting old, Mr Donnihugh! I'm E-mailing David Andrews. You need to be banned! You jump to conclusions, and assume too much. This goes back, to a discussion on the NFB talk list, last year. I had underlying health problems, and other obligations, so that's why I couldn't attend national convention, this year. That's why I needed help getting a resolution passed. Every time I post something on the lists, you always jump to conclusions. It's getting old! Blessings, Joshua On 8/28/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Good morning everyone, > > It's not their responsibility. He needs to purchess it himself or sign up > for VR services so his state agency can buy it for him. I'm afraid he's put > the cart before the horse in alot of ways before starting school. One would > never dream of becoming a carpenter without first acquiring tools to work > with and seeking certifications to help him/her begin a successful > career. ----- > > Peter Donahue > Original Message ----- > From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:31 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > > Joshua, > I find it appalling your DSB will not purchase a notetaker. You need that to > be successful in college, especially if you read contracted braille. > Why haven't you fought it? The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Have your NFB > state president write a letter; go up the chain of command if you can't get > it resolved at a low level. I have a braille note and don't see how I'd live > without it. Its just such a quick and portable way to take and read notes; > plus I have my calendar and phone list there too. I have major things in > hard copy braille as well in case I cannot read the braille note. But its > such a helpful tool in the tool box. > Now as to your braille book you need, if classes start next week, I'm afraid > you will not have the book. College texts are rarely brailled; you will need > this transcribed. The time and expense > to transcribe a book is a lot. You might be better off taking the class next > semester when accomodations are in place. > The National braille association is a nonprofit in NY; I > think they transcribe books. Basically they are a group of transcribers and > tran transcribers. > Their mission states > > > WHAT WE DO > > Our mission is: > > To provide continuing education to those who prepare braille, and to provide > braille materials to persons who are visually impaired. > > The site is www.nationalbraille.org. If they cannot help, they will know who > can. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 9:29 PM > To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > Nimer, I've had issues with DSB, in the past, and they haven't been > willing to help. > I need a note taker, that they won't provide, and some textbooks. > I've talked about DSB, in other threads. > I'll try to contact them, as well. > BTW, I'm a Pac Mate user. > Thanks for defending me, but please cut out the cursing. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 8/27/11, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: >> Peter, >> >> I am really tired of your comments to this list. Who gives a damn >> about what he did or didn't do in the past. The past is done, we're >> talking about today. He wrote to this list asking how he can solve a >> problem, and that is pretty damn proactive if you ask me. Joshua, nice >> job on that. And all you can come up with is you'll have to raise the >> funds yourself and why didn't you do this before crap? How about >> answering the man's questions for a change? >> >> Joshua, your VR counselor is the same as DSB in Arkansas. That is what >> they do. They ought to have some resources for you. Peter is right >> that you will have to look into getting a reader for now, but Perkins >> and a few other resources as has been mentioned will do braille >> transcription, and it is possible that Arkansas has their own services >> that they offer, but I'm not too sure about this. Talk to your >> counselor down there and see what they say. If you don't get anywhere, >> please contact me off list and I will see what I can do as I have a >> couple of contacts down there in Arkansas and within a couple of other >> organizations that may be able to assist you. >> >> Sincerely >> >> Nimer J >> >> On 27.08.2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> I did the research, and went with what I found, at first. >>> I have received more information, and will go with what I've received. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> Good evening Josh and everyone, >>>> >>>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a >>>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the >>>> funds >>>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this >>>> before >>>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. >>>> The >>>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win >>>> in >>>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. >>>> >>>> Peter Donahue >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Beth" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>>> >>>> >>>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >>>> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >>>> offer. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>>> >>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >>>> Braille >>>> Press, about my Math textbook. >>>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >>>> Braille. >>>> Where else can we go? >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >>>> sloose%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Nimer M. Jaber >> >> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. >> If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify >> me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken >> as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient >> may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my >> machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible >> for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions >> or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. >> Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these >> instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies >> of this email from your computer. >> >> Registered Linux User 529141. >> http://counter.li.org/ >> Vinux testing and documentation coordinator >> To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, >> please click here: >> http://www.vinuxproject.org >> >> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP >> and above, please click here: >> http://www.nvda-project.org >> >> Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: >> http://nimertech.blogspot.com >> >> Phone: (720) (251-4530) >> Please reply to this email to contact me. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 15:20:09 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 11:20:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: <000901cc657d$21d53500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <8E854698B83540DC92BA3A6BF9BA74B1@OwnerPC> <000901cc657d$21d53500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Hi Joshua and everyone, Do you have an LBPH? I know that ours here in MD has a program for college textbooks. Does your LBPH do that? You could also try Learning Ally, Blio, or Bookshare. Chris On 8/28/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Good morning everyone, > > It's not their responsibility. He needs to purchess it himself or sign up > for VR services so his state agency can buy it for him. I'm afraid he's put > the cart before the horse in alot of ways before starting school. One would > never dream of becoming a carpenter without first acquiring tools to work > with and seeking certifications to help him/her begin a successful > career. ----- > > Peter Donahue > Original Message ----- > From: > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:31 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > > Joshua, > I find it appalling your DSB will not purchase a notetaker. You need that to > be successful in college, especially if you read contracted braille. > Why haven't you fought it? The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Have your NFB > state president write a letter; go up the chain of command if you can't get > it resolved at a low level. I have a braille note and don't see how I'd live > without it. Its just such a quick and portable way to take and read notes; > plus I have my calendar and phone list there too. I have major things in > hard copy braille as well in case I cannot read the braille note. But its > such a helpful tool in the tool box. > Now as to your braille book you need, if classes start next week, I'm afraid > you will not have the book. College texts are rarely brailled; you will need > this transcribed. The time and expense > to transcribe a book is a lot. You might be better off taking the class next > semester when accomodations are in place. > The National braille association is a nonprofit in NY; I > think they transcribe books. Basically they are a group of transcribers and > tran transcribers. > Their mission states > > > WHAT WE DO > > Our mission is: > > To provide continuing education to those who prepare braille, and to provide > braille materials to persons who are visually impaired. > > The site is www.nationalbraille.org. If they cannot help, they will know who > can. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 9:29 PM > To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > Nimer, I've had issues with DSB, in the past, and they haven't been > willing to help. > I need a note taker, that they won't provide, and some textbooks. > I've talked about DSB, in other threads. > I'll try to contact them, as well. > BTW, I'm a Pac Mate user. > Thanks for defending me, but please cut out the cursing. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 8/27/11, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: >> Peter, >> >> I am really tired of your comments to this list. Who gives a damn >> about what he did or didn't do in the past. The past is done, we're >> talking about today. He wrote to this list asking how he can solve a >> problem, and that is pretty damn proactive if you ask me. Joshua, nice >> job on that. And all you can come up with is you'll have to raise the >> funds yourself and why didn't you do this before crap? How about >> answering the man's questions for a change? >> >> Joshua, your VR counselor is the same as DSB in Arkansas. That is what >> they do. They ought to have some resources for you. Peter is right >> that you will have to look into getting a reader for now, but Perkins >> and a few other resources as has been mentioned will do braille >> transcription, and it is possible that Arkansas has their own services >> that they offer, but I'm not too sure about this. Talk to your >> counselor down there and see what they say. If you don't get anywhere, >> please contact me off list and I will see what I can do as I have a >> couple of contacts down there in Arkansas and within a couple of other >> organizations that may be able to assist you. >> >> Sincerely >> >> Nimer J >> >> On 27.08.2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> I did the research, and went with what I found, at first. >>> I have received more information, and will go with what I've received. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> Good evening Josh and everyone, >>>> >>>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a >>>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the >>>> funds >>>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this >>>> before >>>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. >>>> The >>>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win >>>> in >>>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. >>>> >>>> Peter Donahue >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Beth" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>>> >>>> >>>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >>>> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >>>> offer. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>>> >>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >>>> Braille >>>> Press, about my Math textbook. >>>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >>>> Braille. >>>> Where else can we go? >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >>>> sloose%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Nimer M. Jaber >> >> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. >> If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify >> me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken >> as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient >> may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my >> machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible >> for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions >> or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. >> Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these >> instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies >> of this email from your computer. >> >> Registered Linux User 529141. >> http://counter.li.org/ >> Vinux testing and documentation coordinator >> To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, >> please click here: >> http://www.vinuxproject.org >> >> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP >> and above, please click here: >> http://www.nvda-project.org >> >> Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: >> http://nimertech.blogspot.com >> >> Phone: (720) (251-4530) >> Please reply to this email to contact me. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 15:29:44 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 11:29:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Hi Joshua, As mentioned before, you can always use the NFB. I know I say that a lot, especially in response to some of your problems, but it's true! The Federation is a great network of advocates who can really get stuff done! Chris On 8/27/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Nimer, I've had issues with DSB, in the past, and they haven't been > willing to help. > I need a note taker, that they won't provide, and some textbooks. > I've talked about DSB, in other threads. > I'll try to contact them, as well. > BTW, I'm a Pac Mate user. > Thanks for defending me, but please cut out the cursing. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 8/27/11, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: >> Peter, >> >> I am really tired of your comments to this list. Who gives a damn >> about what he did or didn't do in the past. The past is done, we're >> talking about today. He wrote to this list asking how he can solve a >> problem, and that is pretty damn proactive if you ask me. Joshua, nice >> job on that. And all you can come up with is you'll have to raise the >> funds yourself and why didn't you do this before crap? How about >> answering the man's questions for a change? >> >> Joshua, your VR counselor is the same as DSB in Arkansas. That is what >> they do. They ought to have some resources for you. Peter is right >> that you will have to look into getting a reader for now, but Perkins >> and a few other resources as has been mentioned will do braille >> transcription, and it is possible that Arkansas has their own services >> that they offer, but I'm not too sure about this. Talk to your >> counselor down there and see what they say. If you don't get anywhere, >> please contact me off list and I will see what I can do as I have a >> couple of contacts down there in Arkansas and within a couple of other >> organizations that may be able to assist you. >> >> Sincerely >> >> Nimer J >> >> On 27.08.2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> I did the research, and went with what I found, at first. >>> I have received more information, and will go with what I've received. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> Good evening Josh and everyone, >>>> >>>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a >>>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the >>>> funds >>>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this >>>> before >>>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. >>>> The >>>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win >>>> in >>>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. >>>> >>>> Peter Donahue >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Beth" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>>> >>>> >>>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >>>> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >>>> offer. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>>> >>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >>>> Braille >>>> Press, about my Math textbook. >>>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >>>> Braille. >>>> Where else can we go? >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >>>> sloose%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Nimer M. Jaber >> >> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. >> If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify >> me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken >> as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient >> may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my >> machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible >> for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions >> or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. >> Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these >> instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies >> of this email from your computer. >> >> Registered Linux User 529141. >> http://counter.li.org/ >> Vinux testing and documentation coordinator >> To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, >> please click here: >> http://www.vinuxproject.org >> >> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP >> and above, please click here: >> http://www.nvda-project.org >> >> Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: >> http://nimertech.blogspot.com >> >> Phone: (720) (251-4530) >> Please reply to this email to contact me. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 15:46:57 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 11:46:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Hi Peter and everyone, That's one thing I agree with you on. That's the NFB right there: "If the going gets tough, the tough get going, and win in the end!" I've heard Dr. Maurer say this a lot. Now, as to the rest of your comments, you can't jump to conclusions and criticize people without knowing all the facts. This was the same problem we had when we were discussing national convention and its online streaming. Remember that there is a 70 percent unemployment rate among blind people. So, "raising the funds yourself" is, more often than not, much easier said than done. This, unfortunately, will stay a proven fact until we get totally integrated into society, and we have a long way to go in that area. I am not trying to be a downer, in fact, I'm very optomistic about the work of the Federation. I'm trying to be a realist, and this, I believe, is the unfortunate reality. Therefore, I don't think you can fairly criticize other list members when they ask for advice to resolve their problems with getting the needed accomodations in school, when none of us; you, me, anyone, know every little fact about the person's situation and the person in general. So, I propose to all of you that we work to just give some constructive advice when a lister posts a question about a problem they're having. If one of us feels that they could do something differently, we could just suggest it encouragingly: "Have you tried doing this? Maybe you could try this instead of that." Hope this makes sense! Chris P.S. Joshua, while I understand your frustrations, I don't think Peter should be banned from the list altogether because of his recent comments. Of course, that's up to Mr. Andrews, but I think we should encourage freedom of speech on our lists. I think people should only be banned from the list if they are spamming it (Alexander Kaiser, for example,) or posting inappropriate content to it, i.e. sexual material or a lot of cursing. On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Good evening Josh and everyone, > > If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a > transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the funds > for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this before > the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. The > good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win in > the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > > I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille > transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can > offer. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National > Braille > Press, about my Math textbook. > They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in > Braille. > Where else can we go? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > sloose%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 15:50:24 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 11:50:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ashley, Braille Institute does a lot of braille transcribing. However, I don't think they do a lot of textbooks. Joshua, maybe you could try Googleing something to the effect of "college textbook Braille transcribing agencies." Chris On 8/27/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > National braille press does not have any college texts? Really? They used > to! I saw a catalog of them, small, it was; but they had every subject > including math. > Try american printing house for the blind. You might have to have it > transcribed; I think national braille press does transcribing or maybe there > are local transcribers. Ask your vr counselor for transcribing > agencies/contractors. I think the Braille Institute might do braille > transcribing. > > Also national braille association and the Perkins school for the blind might > be resources of transcribing math. > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:17 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National Braille > Press, about my Math textbook. > They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in Braille. > Where else can we go? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 16:14:51 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 12:14:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] huricane Irene In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Nathan, We still have power here, thankfully! I also hope that this storm gets out of here as soon as possible, and life returns to normal... as normal as it can get. Now WJZ (our local CBS station in Baltimore) is saying there's another storm out in the tropics, and we have 3 more months to go until the end of the hurricane season. By the way, I got an email from Melissa (after I decided not to go to the MDABS seminar... or more accurately, Mom decided for me) that they finally canceled the seminar and will try to schedule a rain date in September. Wow! That was... a little too late! But... we can talk about that off list, since the rest of the list probably doesn't know what I'm talking about. If you want to give me a call today, I'm home. I'm glad your family is OK and you still have power. Mom just left to check on the store, so I hope it's good, too! Talk to you soon! Chris P.S. For the rest of the list, I was referring to some personal stuff in that email, that Nathan would know about because we're friends, but you don't have to worry about it if you don't know what I'm talking about in that email. On 8/28/11, Nathan Clark wrote: > Dear Chris, > How are you and your family doing with the storm, it is a big one? > Also, are you in the dark or are you like me and my family who still > have power? I hope this storm gets out of here as soon as possible. > > Sincerely, > > Nathan > > On 8/27/11, chris nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I would just like to encourage everyone to stay safe if you're in the >> huge path of Hurricane Irene. It seems like a pretty big one, so >> please be carefull and heed the authorities' warnings and evacuate if >> you need to. I'm here in northern Maryland and we're preparing for the >> storm to hit. I was planning on going to the MDABS (Maryland >> Association of Blind Students) annual seminar today at the national >> center in Baltimore today, but unfortunately had to miss it because my >> mom was worried about getting home tonight. So, while I'm disappointed >> (very much so,) I hope nobody gets hurt who ends up going. So, once >> again, please be safe and use common sense in this storm! That's all I >> have to say. I hope everybody has a safe weekend if they're in the >> path of the huricane! >> >> Chris >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 16:32:59 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 12:32:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi everyone, It sounds to me like Outlook is a lot more accessible than Live Mail. Which is more accessible? Chris On 8/27/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > Hello, > Where does that friend live? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Kerri Kosten > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 4:32 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend > > Hi Everyone: > > Thanks so much for all the helpful responses both on and fof list. > > My friend talked to someone and they gave her some ideas on how to > solve her issues. She thinks these ideas will work and so she will not > need to go for more training. > > I told her about the suggestions for using Windows live mail. I > believe she can make it work and have it put into her accomodations to > send and reply to her emails to her professors though Gmail. > > Again, thanks so much for all the help and information. > > Kerri > > On 8/27/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >> Kerri, >> Sorry to hear your friend is frustrated. I'm glad she asked your advice >> rather than slipping through the crack and possibly failing school. >> However, without knowing what skills she lacks, its hard to suggest a >> course of action. >> I agree with Bridgit. Assess the situation. What blindness skills are > they >> and how long would it take to learn them? >> Are the skills actually blindness related: travel, computer, and braille? >> Perhaps they stem from other issues more academic or coping with a new >> environment. Maybe its time management. Maybe its lack of getting > accessible >> handouts or accomodations with a professor; in that case, that is more of >> an advocacy skill. If books are the issue, remember to telll her about >> bookshare, learning ally, and of course the idea of hiring your own > readers. >> >> As to your question: can she attend >> another training center for more skills? That really depends. As Bridgit >> said, since she attended a program already, they may be reluctant to >> shoulder the cost again. Did she actually graduate the center? How long > was >> she there? >> She may want to think of staying in state rather than fight a battle for a >> whole program. If its just a few classes she needs, why fight the battle > to >> attend a program when she really needs just a few areas? >> She needs to consider what she wants to do and if she wants to expend > energy >> justifying going out of state for training. >> >> Some other ideas are: >> 1. Have a field rehab teacher or other teacher come to her home and teach >> that skill. In my state they provide this, but not frequently is the > issue. >> O&M is taught in your community and any daily living task like labeling, >> braille, housekeeping, etc is taught by a rehab teacher. At least where I > am >> they will send a technology tutor to you to teach any computer or > notetaker >> skills. >> 2. Seek out other blindness nonprofits for teaching. For instance, the >> braille institute in CA; a lighthouse for the blind; in NC there is >> something called the Metrolina association for the blind. If I knew the >> state, I may be able to suggest other organizations to help. >> 3. Seek out other individuals who are blind to help. Maybe from the NFB >> chapter. Is she a member of her student division? If they are active, >> getting a friend from that group may help. They can chat on the phone > about >> any computer questions and some daily living tasks. >> 4. If the skills needed are related to braille and academics, hadley > school >> for the blind, a distance education program, has basic academic classes > and >> braille. They have basic english skills like learning how to spell and >> punctuate sentences, to the advanced english classes of literature that > you >> would find in a freshman college class. They do the same for math. There > is >> also diagnostic tests if you do not know what class you would fit in. >> Go to www.hadley.edu to see their offerings; also they have webinars on a >> variety of topics from accessible technology to daily living. >> 5. A source for some technology training, if you pay for it, is Carroll >> center for the blind's Carrol Tech online classes. All there classes are > for >> windows systems and I think geared to the 2007 office applications. But >> check the website and call them with any questions before signing up. The >> site is www.carrolltech.org. >> I have not taken a hadley class or done carroll tech, but plan to do both >> and see how it goes. Hadley has some english classes I'd like to take. I >> already have my degree, but I just want to keep up my reading and > analytical >> skills. >> >> Don't forget about school resources for help with academics or related >> skills like time management or study skills. The school probably has a >> writing center, tutoring center, academic advisors and professors always >> have office hours. >> >> HTH, >> Ashley >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kerri Kosten >> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 8:21 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend >> >> Hi All: >> >> I have a friend who is not on this list who is really struggling with >> a few issues. Since she is not on this list she has asked me to post >> some questions for her. >> >> Her school uses Windows Live for their email. She says this is flash >> based and she can't seem to get it to work with Jaws. Does anyone know >> or have any ideas of how to get windows live email to work with Jaws >> or is it totally inaccessible? >> >> Next, my friend attended an NFB center (it was not LCB.) They were >> changing some staff members around and because of this among other >> things she was not taught some skills. Because of this she is having a >> hard time with college and is very frustrated. Would it be possible >> for her to go back to training and attend one of the other two NFB >> training centers or one that is similar? >> >> Thanks so much! >> Kerri >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl > ink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.c > om >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Sun Aug 28 16:50:09 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 11:50:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com><000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <001901cc65a2$8c398930$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Chris and everyone, And a 30% rate of employment among the blind. More to the point his guy bit off more than he could chew. He should have investigated all of these concerns prior to enrolling in school for this semester. Now he must deal with the consequences of such a decision. He is not alone in this respect. I've seen it happen numerous times. Blind people enroll in school that have not received good blindness training and lacking the skills and equipment needed to study independently and succeed in college. This is well documented by our organization. Hence it's not just Peter Donahue blowing off hot air. 70% or not if you want it bad enough you'll find a way to raise the needed funds to persue your dreams. Peter Donahue Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO Hi Peter and everyone, That's one thing I agree with you on. That's the NFB right there: "If the going gets tough, the tough get going, and win in the end!" I've heard Dr. Maurer say this a lot. Now, as to the rest of your comments, you can't jump to conclusions and criticize people without knowing all the facts. This was the same problem we had when we were discussing national convention and its online streaming. Remember that there is a 70 percent unemployment rate among blind people. So, "raising the funds yourself" is, more often than not, much easier said than done. This, unfortunately, will stay a proven fact until we get totally integrated into society, and we have a long way to go in that area. I am not trying to be a downer, in fact, I'm very optomistic about the work of the Federation. I'm trying to be a realist, and this, I believe, is the unfortunate reality. Therefore, I don't think you can fairly criticize other list members when they ask for advice to resolve their problems with getting the needed accomodations in school, when none of us; you, me, anyone, know every little fact about the person's situation and the person in general. So, I propose to all of you that we work to just give some constructive advice when a lister posts a question about a problem they're having. If one of us feels that they could do something differently, we could just suggest it encouragingly: "Have you tried doing this? Maybe you could try this instead of that." Hope this makes sense! Chris P.S. Joshua, while I understand your frustrations, I don't think Peter should be banned from the list altogether because of his recent comments. Of course, that's up to Mr. Andrews, but I think we should encourage freedom of speech on our lists. I think people should only be banned from the list if they are spamming it (Alexander Kaiser, for example,) or posting inappropriate content to it, i.e. sexual material or a lot of cursing. On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Good evening Josh and everyone, > > If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a > transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the funds > for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this > before > the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. The > good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win in > the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > > I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille > transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can > offer. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National > Braille > Press, about my Math textbook. > They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in > Braille. > Where else can we go? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > sloose%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 17:00:34 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 13:00:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: <001901cc65a2$8c398930$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <001901cc65a2$8c398930$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Ah, and if you don't have the funds? Yes, 30 percent employment. But 70 percent is much larger than 30 percent. If you don't have the funds, you don't have the funds! You can want it all you want, but in this economy, sometimes you just don't have the funds to achieve your dream, whatever it is. Chris On 8/28/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Chris and everyone, > > And a 30% rate of employment among the blind. More to the point his guy > bit off more than he could chew. He should have investigated all of these > concerns prior to enrolling in school for this semester. Now he must deal > with the consequences of such a decision. He is not alone in this respect. > I've seen it happen numerous times. Blind people enroll in school that have > not received good blindness training and lacking the skills and equipment > needed to study independently and succeed in college. This is well > documented by our organization. Hence it's not just Peter Donahue blowing > off hot air. 70% or not if you want it bad enough you'll find a way to raise > the needed funds to persue your dreams. Peter Donahue > > Peter Donahue > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chris nusbaum" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:46 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > > Hi Peter and everyone, > > That's one thing I agree with you on. That's the NFB right there: "If > the going gets tough, the tough get going, and win in the end!" I've > heard Dr. Maurer say this a lot. Now, as to the rest of your comments, > you can't jump to conclusions and criticize people without knowing all > the facts. This was the same problem we had when we were discussing > national convention and its online streaming. Remember that there is a > 70 percent unemployment rate among blind people. So, "raising the > funds yourself" is, more often than not, much easier said than done. > This, unfortunately, will stay a proven fact until we get totally > integrated into society, and we have a long way to go in that area. I > am not trying to be a downer, in fact, I'm very optomistic about the > work of the Federation. I'm trying to be a realist, and this, I > believe, is the unfortunate reality. Therefore, I don't think you can > fairly criticize other list members when they ask for advice to > resolve their problems with getting the needed accomodations in > school, when none of us; you, me, anyone, know every little fact about > the person's situation and the person in general. So, I propose to all > of you that we work to just give some constructive advice when a > lister posts a question about a problem they're having. If one of us > feels that they could do something differently, we could just suggest > it encouragingly: "Have you tried doing this? Maybe you could try this > instead of that." Hope this makes sense! > > Chris > > P.S. Joshua, while I understand your frustrations, I don't think Peter > should be banned from the list altogether because of his recent > comments. Of course, that's up to Mr. Andrews, but I think we should > encourage freedom of speech on our lists. I think people should only > be banned from the list if they are spamming it (Alexander Kaiser, for > example,) or posting inappropriate content to it, i.e. sexual material > or a lot of cursing. > > On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Good evening Josh and everyone, >> >> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a >> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the funds >> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this >> before >> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. The >> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win in >> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >> >> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >> offer. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >> Braille >> Press, about my Math textbook. >> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >> Braille. >> Where else can we go? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >> sloose%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Aug 28 17:10:02 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 12:10:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Well, the people should ask more questions, before they assume stuff. I agree with you Chris. I get audiobooks from Learning Ally, but I need Braille, for Math. Besides, I liesened to my audiobooks, this semester, and the readers aren't very good. They do the same stuff, that they did in my English book, 2 years ago. They fumbled over words, and mispronounced words. That's crazy! I've never experimented with Blio, but I'm interested in it. What's LBPH? Blessings, Joshua On 8/28/11, chris nusbaum wrote: > Hi Peter and everyone, > > That's one thing I agree with you on. That's the NFB right there: "If > the going gets tough, the tough get going, and win in the end!" I've > heard Dr. Maurer say this a lot. Now, as to the rest of your comments, > you can't jump to conclusions and criticize people without knowing all > the facts. This was the same problem we had when we were discussing > national convention and its online streaming. Remember that there is a > 70 percent unemployment rate among blind people. So, "raising the > funds yourself" is, more often than not, much easier said than done. > This, unfortunately, will stay a proven fact until we get totally > integrated into society, and we have a long way to go in that area. I > am not trying to be a downer, in fact, I'm very optomistic about the > work of the Federation. I'm trying to be a realist, and this, I > believe, is the unfortunate reality. Therefore, I don't think you can > fairly criticize other list members when they ask for advice to > resolve their problems with getting the needed accomodations in > school, when none of us; you, me, anyone, know every little fact about > the person's situation and the person in general. So, I propose to all > of you that we work to just give some constructive advice when a > lister posts a question about a problem they're having. If one of us > feels that they could do something differently, we could just suggest > it encouragingly: "Have you tried doing this? Maybe you could try this > instead of that." Hope this makes sense! > > Chris > > P.S. Joshua, while I understand your frustrations, I don't think Peter > should be banned from the list altogether because of his recent > comments. Of course, that's up to Mr. Andrews, but I think we should > encourage freedom of speech on our lists. I think people should only > be banned from the list if they are spamming it (Alexander Kaiser, for > example,) or posting inappropriate content to it, i.e. sexual material > or a lot of cursing. > > On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Good evening Josh and everyone, >> >> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a >> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the funds >> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this >> before >> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. The >> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win in >> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >> >> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >> offer. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >> Braille >> Press, about my Math textbook. >> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >> Braille. >> Where else can we go? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >> sloose%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 17:18:24 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 13:18:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Hi Joshua, LBPH is Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped, or Library for the Blind. Each state has one, as it is a division of the Library of Congress. As for Blio, it's really good. I recently downloaded it, and it's great, if I can get it to search books correctly. I've called KNFB and every time I get a person, they tell me that "this is the tech support line for the KNFB Reader, and I can transfir you to the Blio tech support line." When she does, it takes me to the general delivery mailbox. I leave a message with my cell number, and I haven't gotten a call back in a week! I've tried twice! This is getting annoying! Chris On 8/28/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Well, the people should ask more questions, before they assume stuff. > I agree with you Chris. > I get audiobooks from Learning Ally, but I need Braille, for Math. > Besides, I liesened to my audiobooks, this semester, and the readers > aren't very good. > They do the same stuff, that they did in my English book, 2 years ago. > They fumbled over words, and mispronounced words. > That's crazy! > I've never experimented with Blio, but I'm interested in it. > What's LBPH? > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/28/11, chris nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Peter and everyone, >> >> That's one thing I agree with you on. That's the NFB right there: "If >> the going gets tough, the tough get going, and win in the end!" I've >> heard Dr. Maurer say this a lot. Now, as to the rest of your comments, >> you can't jump to conclusions and criticize people without knowing all >> the facts. This was the same problem we had when we were discussing >> national convention and its online streaming. Remember that there is a >> 70 percent unemployment rate among blind people. So, "raising the >> funds yourself" is, more often than not, much easier said than done. >> This, unfortunately, will stay a proven fact until we get totally >> integrated into society, and we have a long way to go in that area. I >> am not trying to be a downer, in fact, I'm very optomistic about the >> work of the Federation. I'm trying to be a realist, and this, I >> believe, is the unfortunate reality. Therefore, I don't think you can >> fairly criticize other list members when they ask for advice to >> resolve their problems with getting the needed accomodations in >> school, when none of us; you, me, anyone, know every little fact about >> the person's situation and the person in general. So, I propose to all >> of you that we work to just give some constructive advice when a >> lister posts a question about a problem they're having. If one of us >> feels that they could do something differently, we could just suggest >> it encouragingly: "Have you tried doing this? Maybe you could try this >> instead of that." Hope this makes sense! >> >> Chris >> >> P.S. Joshua, while I understand your frustrations, I don't think Peter >> should be banned from the list altogether because of his recent >> comments. Of course, that's up to Mr. Andrews, but I think we should >> encourage freedom of speech on our lists. I think people should only >> be banned from the list if they are spamming it (Alexander Kaiser, for >> example,) or posting inappropriate content to it, i.e. sexual material >> or a lot of cursing. >> >> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Good evening Josh and everyone, >>> >>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a >>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the funds >>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this >>> before >>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. >>> The >>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win >>> in >>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Beth" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>> >>> >>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >>> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >>> offer. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >>> Braille >>> Press, about my Math textbook. >>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >>> Braille. >>> Where else can we go? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >>> sloose%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Aug 28 17:24:47 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 12:24:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: This kind of reminds me of Freedom Scientific! They play that stupid music, while you wait for hours, for the tech support. I was taught, in Business Communications class, that, the hold music isn't professional. Blessings, Joshua On 8/28/11, chris nusbaum wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > LBPH is Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped, or Library > for the Blind. Each state has one, as it is a division of the Library > of Congress. As for Blio, it's really good. I recently downloaded it, > and it's great, if I can get it to search books correctly. I've called > KNFB and every time I get a person, they tell me that "this is the > tech support line for the KNFB Reader, and I can transfir you to the > Blio tech support line." When she does, it takes me to the general > delivery mailbox. I leave a message with my cell number, and I haven't > gotten a call back in a week! I've tried twice! This is getting > annoying! > > Chris > > On 8/28/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Well, the people should ask more questions, before they assume stuff. >> I agree with you Chris. >> I get audiobooks from Learning Ally, but I need Braille, for Math. >> Besides, I liesened to my audiobooks, this semester, and the readers >> aren't very good. >> They do the same stuff, that they did in my English book, 2 years ago. >> They fumbled over words, and mispronounced words. >> That's crazy! >> I've never experimented with Blio, but I'm interested in it. >> What's LBPH? >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 8/28/11, chris nusbaum wrote: >>> Hi Peter and everyone, >>> >>> That's one thing I agree with you on. That's the NFB right there: "If >>> the going gets tough, the tough get going, and win in the end!" I've >>> heard Dr. Maurer say this a lot. Now, as to the rest of your comments, >>> you can't jump to conclusions and criticize people without knowing all >>> the facts. This was the same problem we had when we were discussing >>> national convention and its online streaming. Remember that there is a >>> 70 percent unemployment rate among blind people. So, "raising the >>> funds yourself" is, more often than not, much easier said than done. >>> This, unfortunately, will stay a proven fact until we get totally >>> integrated into society, and we have a long way to go in that area. I >>> am not trying to be a downer, in fact, I'm very optomistic about the >>> work of the Federation. I'm trying to be a realist, and this, I >>> believe, is the unfortunate reality. Therefore, I don't think you can >>> fairly criticize other list members when they ask for advice to >>> resolve their problems with getting the needed accomodations in >>> school, when none of us; you, me, anyone, know every little fact about >>> the person's situation and the person in general. So, I propose to all >>> of you that we work to just give some constructive advice when a >>> lister posts a question about a problem they're having. If one of us >>> feels that they could do something differently, we could just suggest >>> it encouragingly: "Have you tried doing this? Maybe you could try this >>> instead of that." Hope this makes sense! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> P.S. Joshua, while I understand your frustrations, I don't think Peter >>> should be banned from the list altogether because of his recent >>> comments. Of course, that's up to Mr. Andrews, but I think we should >>> encourage freedom of speech on our lists. I think people should only >>> be banned from the list if they are spamming it (Alexander Kaiser, for >>> example,) or posting inappropriate content to it, i.e. sexual material >>> or a lot of cursing. >>> >>> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>> Good evening Josh and everyone, >>>> >>>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a >>>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the >>>> funds >>>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this >>>> before >>>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. >>>> The >>>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win >>>> in >>>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. >>>> >>>> Peter Donahue >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Beth" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>>> >>>> >>>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >>>> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >>>> offer. >>>> Beth >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>>> >>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >>>> Braille >>>> Press, about my Math textbook. >>>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >>>> Braille. >>>> Where else can we go? >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >>>> sloose%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >>> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >>> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 17:38:48 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 13:38:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Hi Joshua, Oh yeah... the stupid hold music interrupted by a bunch of commercials about their products! You think Freedom Scientific's music is annoying, you should hear Humanware's! :) Next time you call Freedom Scientific, if you wait too long for the person to answer, try hitting 0 to set a callback. Type in your number at the prompt, and after the beep, say your name and which product you're calling about. For example, I'd say, "Hi, this is Chris and I'm calling about JAWS version 12.0." They're good for calling you back (unlike KNFB... I should really contact Jim Gashel or Mike Hingson about that) and should call back within 5-10 minutes. HTH! Chris On 8/28/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > This kind of reminds me of Freedom Scientific! > They play that stupid music, while you wait for hours, for the tech support. > I was taught, in Business Communications class, that, the hold music > isn't professional. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/28/11, chris nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Joshua, >> >> LBPH is Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped, or Library >> for the Blind. Each state has one, as it is a division of the Library >> of Congress. As for Blio, it's really good. I recently downloaded it, >> and it's great, if I can get it to search books correctly. I've called >> KNFB and every time I get a person, they tell me that "this is the >> tech support line for the KNFB Reader, and I can transfir you to the >> Blio tech support line." When she does, it takes me to the general >> delivery mailbox. I leave a message with my cell number, and I haven't >> gotten a call back in a week! I've tried twice! This is getting >> annoying! >> >> Chris >> >> On 8/28/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Well, the people should ask more questions, before they assume stuff. >>> I agree with you Chris. >>> I get audiobooks from Learning Ally, but I need Braille, for Math. >>> Besides, I liesened to my audiobooks, this semester, and the readers >>> aren't very good. >>> They do the same stuff, that they did in my English book, 2 years ago. >>> They fumbled over words, and mispronounced words. >>> That's crazy! >>> I've never experimented with Blio, but I'm interested in it. >>> What's LBPH? >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 8/28/11, chris nusbaum wrote: >>>> Hi Peter and everyone, >>>> >>>> That's one thing I agree with you on. That's the NFB right there: "If >>>> the going gets tough, the tough get going, and win in the end!" I've >>>> heard Dr. Maurer say this a lot. Now, as to the rest of your comments, >>>> you can't jump to conclusions and criticize people without knowing all >>>> the facts. This was the same problem we had when we were discussing >>>> national convention and its online streaming. Remember that there is a >>>> 70 percent unemployment rate among blind people. So, "raising the >>>> funds yourself" is, more often than not, much easier said than done. >>>> This, unfortunately, will stay a proven fact until we get totally >>>> integrated into society, and we have a long way to go in that area. I >>>> am not trying to be a downer, in fact, I'm very optomistic about the >>>> work of the Federation. I'm trying to be a realist, and this, I >>>> believe, is the unfortunate reality. Therefore, I don't think you can >>>> fairly criticize other list members when they ask for advice to >>>> resolve their problems with getting the needed accomodations in >>>> school, when none of us; you, me, anyone, know every little fact about >>>> the person's situation and the person in general. So, I propose to all >>>> of you that we work to just give some constructive advice when a >>>> lister posts a question about a problem they're having. If one of us >>>> feels that they could do something differently, we could just suggest >>>> it encouragingly: "Have you tried doing this? Maybe you could try this >>>> instead of that." Hope this makes sense! >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> P.S. Joshua, while I understand your frustrations, I don't think Peter >>>> should be banned from the list altogether because of his recent >>>> comments. Of course, that's up to Mr. Andrews, but I think we should >>>> encourage freedom of speech on our lists. I think people should only >>>> be banned from the list if they are spamming it (Alexander Kaiser, for >>>> example,) or posting inappropriate content to it, i.e. sexual material >>>> or a lot of cursing. >>>> >>>> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>>>> Good evening Josh and everyone, >>>>> >>>>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a >>>>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the >>>>> funds >>>>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this >>>>> before >>>>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. >>>>> The >>>>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win >>>>> in >>>>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. >>>>> >>>>> Peter Donahue >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Beth" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >>>>> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >>>>> offer. >>>>> Beth >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>>>> >>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >>>>> Braille >>>>> Press, about my Math textbook. >>>>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >>>>> Braille. >>>>> Where else can we go? >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >>>>> sloose%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >>>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >>>> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >>>> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >>>> >>>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From tinadt at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 28 17:44:01 2011 From: tinadt at sbcglobal.net (Tina Thomas) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 10:44:01 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: <001901cc65a2$8c398930$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com><000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <001901cc65a2$8c398930$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <002201cc65aa$12cdbaa0$38692fe0$@net> Peter- Your missing the point here. Joshua is a client of his state DOR and they are not providing him with proper services. Now as to Josh, have you written a letter of justification for the equipment and the transcription services you require? Tina -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Peter Donahue Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 9:50 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO Hello Chris and everyone, And a 30% rate of employment among the blind. More to the point his guy bit off more than he could chew. He should have investigated all of these concerns prior to enrolling in school for this semester. Now he must deal with the consequences of such a decision. He is not alone in this respect. I've seen it happen numerous times. Blind people enroll in school that have not received good blindness training and lacking the skills and equipment needed to study independently and succeed in college. This is well documented by our organization. Hence it's not just Peter Donahue blowing off hot air. 70% or not if you want it bad enough you'll find a way to raise the needed funds to persue your dreams. Peter Donahue Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO Hi Peter and everyone, That's one thing I agree with you on. That's the NFB right there: "If the going gets tough, the tough get going, and win in the end!" I've heard Dr. Maurer say this a lot. Now, as to the rest of your comments, you can't jump to conclusions and criticize people without knowing all the facts. This was the same problem we had when we were discussing national convention and its online streaming. Remember that there is a 70 percent unemployment rate among blind people. So, "raising the funds yourself" is, more often than not, much easier said than done. This, unfortunately, will stay a proven fact until we get totally integrated into society, and we have a long way to go in that area. I am not trying to be a downer, in fact, I'm very optomistic about the work of the Federation. I'm trying to be a realist, and this, I believe, is the unfortunate reality. Therefore, I don't think you can fairly criticize other list members when they ask for advice to resolve their problems with getting the needed accomodations in school, when none of us; you, me, anyone, know every little fact about the person's situation and the person in general. So, I propose to all of you that we work to just give some constructive advice when a lister posts a question about a problem they're having. If one of us feels that they could do something differently, we could just suggest it encouragingly: "Have you tried doing this? Maybe you could try this instead of that." Hope this makes sense! Chris P.S. Joshua, while I understand your frustrations, I don't think Peter should be banned from the list altogether because of his recent comments. Of course, that's up to Mr. Andrews, but I think we should encourage freedom of speech on our lists. I think people should only be banned from the list if they are spamming it (Alexander Kaiser, for example,) or posting inappropriate content to it, i.e. sexual material or a lot of cursing. On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Good evening Josh and everyone, > > If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a > transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the funds > for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this > before > the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. The > good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win in > the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > > I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille > transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can > offer. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National > Braille > Press, about my Math textbook. > They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in > Braille. > Where else can we go? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > sloose%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gma il.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tinadt%40sbcglobal.n et From fowlers at syix.com Sun Aug 28 17:52:25 2011 From: fowlers at syix.com (Angela Fowler) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 10:52:25 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: <001901cc65a2$8c398930$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com><000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <001901cc65a2$8c398930$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <13492DB61F85477A9CEFD7F1F36BA67B@AngelaPC> Hello folks, I feel compelled to chime in here, because in order to give Josh effective advice, we need to have a clear understanding of the situation he's facing. First, while the acronym DSO would seem to be referring to the place on a college campus where you would go to request test accommodations and the like, it would seem to me that in Josh's state it refers to what we in California would call the Department of Vocational Rehabilitation. This entity is responsible for providing such equipment as is necessary for Josh to successfully complete school, provided he is a client of theirs, which it would seem he is. Secondly, in the matter of the textbook, I believe I read correctly that it will be needed next semester, not this semester. Josh is starting a search for it a full semester ahead of time, giving him plenty of time to find it and have it transcribed if necessary. The office of services to students with disabilities, or whatever it is called at Josh's school, is responsible for providing transcription services if a Braille copy of the textbook is not found elsewhere. As another lister pointed out, the Louis database found on the APH web site is an excellent resource. Math texts are more difficult to find in accessible format than those in other subjects however, so Josh if you know which book you'll be needing it might be a good idea to begin the process of having it transcribed as soon as possible. Folks, to criticize Josh for lack of preparedness is unhelpful at best and potentially down-right discouraging to a student who may or nay not be struggling to learn the complexities of college life. His level of blindness skills training is irrelevant in this case also. I myself am a Colorado Center for the Blind graduate. Even so, I am struggling to grasp the complex and frustrating workings of all the different departments within Sac State university with which I must deal and which, as best I can tell, have absolutely no communication with each other. Josh approached this list seeking practical advice. As students, we all have situations which we suddenly find ourselves up against which we are not sure how to best resolve. Resolution of these situations brings wisdom however, and I'm sure Josh will take note of anything he can do next time to be better prepared for whatever may lie ahead of him. We are all students, engaged in a constant learning process in class and out. Resources like this list are a great source of support and knowledge. Please people, let's not diminish them with unhelpful criticism. Sincerely, Angela Fowler -----Original Message----- From: Peter Donahue [mailto:pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 9:50 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO Hello Chris and everyone, And a 30% rate of employment among the blind. More to the point his guy bit off more than he could chew. He should have investigated all of these concerns prior to enrolling in school for this semester. Now he must deal with the consequences of such a decision. He is not alone in this respect. I've seen it happen numerous times. Blind people enroll in school that have not received good blindness training and lacking the skills and equipment needed to study independently and succeed in college. This is well documented by our organization. Hence it's not just Peter Donahue blowing off hot air. 70% or not if you want it bad enough you'll find a way to raise the needed funds to persue your dreams. Peter Donahue Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO Hi Peter and everyone, That's one thing I agree with you on. That's the NFB right there: "If the going gets tough, the tough get going, and win in the end!" I've heard Dr. Maurer say this a lot. Now, as to the rest of your comments, you can't jump to conclusions and criticize people without knowing all the facts. This was the same problem we had when we were discussing national convention and its online streaming. Remember that there is a 70 percent unemployment rate among blind people. So, "raising the funds yourself" is, more often than not, much easier said than done. This, unfortunately, will stay a proven fact until we get totally integrated into society, and we have a long way to go in that area. I am not trying to be a downer, in fact, I'm very optomistic about the work of the Federation. I'm trying to be a realist, and this, I believe, is the unfortunate reality. Therefore, I don't think you can fairly criticize other list members when they ask for advice to resolve their problems with getting the needed accomodations in school, when none of us; you, me, anyone, know every little fact about the person's situation and the person in general. So, I propose to all of you that we work to just give some constructive advice when a lister posts a question about a problem they're having. If one of us feels that they could do something differently, we could just suggest it encouragingly: "Have you tried doing this? Maybe you could try this instead of that." Hope this makes sense! Chris P.S. Joshua, while I understand your frustrations, I don't think Peter should be banned from the list altogether because of his recent comments. Of course, that's up to Mr. Andrews, but I think we should encourage freedom of speech on our lists. I think people should only be banned from the list if they are spamming it (Alexander Kaiser, for example,) or posting inappropriate content to it, i.e. sexual material or a lot of cursing. On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Good evening Josh and everyone, > > If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a > transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the funds > for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this > before > the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. The > good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win in > the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > > I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille > transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can > offer. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National > Braille > Press, about my Math textbook. > They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in > Braille. > Where else can we go? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > sloose%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gma il.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 17:58:05 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 13:58:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: <13492DB61F85477A9CEFD7F1F36BA67B@AngelaPC> References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <001901cc65a2$8c398930$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <13492DB61F85477A9CEFD7F1F36BA67B@AngelaPC> Message-ID: Hi Angela, Exactly what I was saying! Actually, Josh was planning to take the class this semester, but decided later that it would be better to take it next semester. Chris On 8/28/11, Angela Fowler wrote: > Hello folks, > I feel compelled to chime in here, because in order to give Josh > effective advice, we need to have a clear understanding of the situation > he's facing. First, while the acronym DSO would seem to be referring to the > place on a college campus where you would go to request test accommodations > and the like, it would seem to me that in Josh's state it refers to what we > in California would call the Department of Vocational Rehabilitation. This > entity is responsible for providing such equipment as is necessary for Josh > to successfully complete school, provided he is a client of theirs, which it > would seem he is. > Secondly, in the matter of the textbook, I believe I read correctly > that it will be needed next semester, not this semester. Josh is starting a > search for it a full semester ahead of time, giving him plenty of time to > find it and have it transcribed if necessary. The office of services to > students with disabilities, or whatever it is called at Josh's school, is > responsible for providing transcription services if a Braille copy of the > textbook is not found elsewhere. As another lister pointed out, the Louis > database found on the APH web site is an excellent resource. Math texts are > more difficult to find in accessible format than those in other subjects > however, so Josh if you know which book you'll be needing it might be a good > idea to begin the process of having it transcribed as soon as possible. > Folks, to criticize Josh for lack of preparedness is unhelpful at > best and potentially down-right discouraging to a student who may or nay not > be struggling to learn the complexities of college life. His level of > blindness skills training is irrelevant in this case also. I myself am a > Colorado Center for the Blind graduate. Even so, I am struggling to grasp > the complex and frustrating workings of all the different departments within > Sac State university with which I must deal and which, as best I can tell, > have absolutely no communication with each other. > Josh approached this list seeking practical advice. As students, we > all have situations which we suddenly find ourselves up against which we are > not sure how to best resolve. Resolution of these situations brings wisdom > however, and I'm sure Josh will take note of anything he can do next time to > be better prepared for whatever may lie ahead of him. We are all students, > engaged in a constant learning process in class and out. Resources like this > list are a great source of support and knowledge. Please people, let's not > diminish them with unhelpful criticism. > Sincerely, > Angela Fowler > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Donahue [mailto:pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 9:50 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > Hello Chris and everyone, > > And a 30% rate of employment among the blind. More to the point his guy > bit off more than he could chew. He should have investigated all of these > concerns prior to enrolling in school for this semester. Now he must deal > with the consequences of such a decision. He is not alone in this respect. > I've seen it happen numerous times. Blind people enroll in school that have > not received good blindness training and lacking the skills and equipment > needed to study independently and succeed in college. This is well > documented by our organization. Hence it's not just Peter Donahue blowing > off hot air. 70% or not if you want it bad enough you'll find a way to raise > the needed funds to persue your dreams. Peter Donahue > > Peter Donahue > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chris nusbaum" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:46 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > > Hi Peter and everyone, > > That's one thing I agree with you on. That's the NFB right there: "If > the going gets tough, the tough get going, and win in the end!" I've > heard Dr. Maurer say this a lot. Now, as to the rest of your comments, > you can't jump to conclusions and criticize people without knowing all > the facts. This was the same problem we had when we were discussing > national convention and its online streaming. Remember that there is a > 70 percent unemployment rate among blind people. So, "raising the > funds yourself" is, more often than not, much easier said than done. > This, unfortunately, will stay a proven fact until we get totally > integrated into society, and we have a long way to go in that area. I > am not trying to be a downer, in fact, I'm very optomistic about the > work of the Federation. I'm trying to be a realist, and this, I > believe, is the unfortunate reality. Therefore, I don't think you can > fairly criticize other list members when they ask for advice to > resolve their problems with getting the needed accomodations in > school, when none of us; you, me, anyone, know every little fact about > the person's situation and the person in general. So, I propose to all > of you that we work to just give some constructive advice when a > lister posts a question about a problem they're having. If one of us > feels that they could do something differently, we could just suggest > it encouragingly: "Have you tried doing this? Maybe you could try this > instead of that." Hope this makes sense! > > Chris > > P.S. Joshua, while I understand your frustrations, I don't think Peter > should be banned from the list altogether because of his recent > comments. Of course, that's up to Mr. Andrews, but I think we should > encourage freedom of speech on our lists. I think people should only > be banned from the list if they are spamming it (Alexander Kaiser, for > example,) or posting inappropriate content to it, i.e. sexual material > or a lot of cursing. > > On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Good evening Josh and everyone, >> >> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a >> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the funds >> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this >> before >> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. The >> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win in >> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >> >> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >> offer. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >> Braille >> Press, about my Math textbook. >> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >> Braille. >> Where else can we go? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >> sloose%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. > com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gma > il.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. > com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Aug 28 18:03:06 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 13:03:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: <13492DB61F85477A9CEFD7F1F36BA67B@AngelaPC> References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <001901cc65a2$8c398930$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <13492DB61F85477A9CEFD7F1F36BA67B@AngelaPC> Message-ID: Angela, the DSO is the Disabilities office, at the college. The DSB, is the Division of Services for the Blind. Thanks for your support. Blessings, Joshua On 8/28/11, Angela Fowler wrote: > Hello folks, > I feel compelled to chime in here, because in order to give Josh > effective advice, we need to have a clear understanding of the situation > he's facing. First, while the acronym DSO would seem to be referring to the > place on a college campus where you would go to request test accommodations > and the like, it would seem to me that in Josh's state it refers to what we > in California would call the Department of Vocational Rehabilitation. This > entity is responsible for providing such equipment as is necessary for Josh > to successfully complete school, provided he is a client of theirs, which it > would seem he is. > Secondly, in the matter of the textbook, I believe I read correctly > that it will be needed next semester, not this semester. Josh is starting a > search for it a full semester ahead of time, giving him plenty of time to > find it and have it transcribed if necessary. The office of services to > students with disabilities, or whatever it is called at Josh's school, is > responsible for providing transcription services if a Braille copy of the > textbook is not found elsewhere. As another lister pointed out, the Louis > database found on the APH web site is an excellent resource. Math texts are > more difficult to find in accessible format than those in other subjects > however, so Josh if you know which book you'll be needing it might be a good > idea to begin the process of having it transcribed as soon as possible. > Folks, to criticize Josh for lack of preparedness is unhelpful at > best and potentially down-right discouraging to a student who may or nay not > be struggling to learn the complexities of college life. His level of > blindness skills training is irrelevant in this case also. I myself am a > Colorado Center for the Blind graduate. Even so, I am struggling to grasp > the complex and frustrating workings of all the different departments within > Sac State university with which I must deal and which, as best I can tell, > have absolutely no communication with each other. > Josh approached this list seeking practical advice. As students, we > all have situations which we suddenly find ourselves up against which we are > not sure how to best resolve. Resolution of these situations brings wisdom > however, and I'm sure Josh will take note of anything he can do next time to > be better prepared for whatever may lie ahead of him. We are all students, > engaged in a constant learning process in class and out. Resources like this > list are a great source of support and knowledge. Please people, let's not > diminish them with unhelpful criticism. > Sincerely, > Angela Fowler > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Donahue [mailto:pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 9:50 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > Hello Chris and everyone, > > And a 30% rate of employment among the blind. More to the point his guy > bit off more than he could chew. He should have investigated all of these > concerns prior to enrolling in school for this semester. Now he must deal > with the consequences of such a decision. He is not alone in this respect. > I've seen it happen numerous times. Blind people enroll in school that have > not received good blindness training and lacking the skills and equipment > needed to study independently and succeed in college. This is well > documented by our organization. Hence it's not just Peter Donahue blowing > off hot air. 70% or not if you want it bad enough you'll find a way to raise > the needed funds to persue your dreams. Peter Donahue > > Peter Donahue > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chris nusbaum" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:46 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > > Hi Peter and everyone, > > That's one thing I agree with you on. That's the NFB right there: "If > the going gets tough, the tough get going, and win in the end!" I've > heard Dr. Maurer say this a lot. Now, as to the rest of your comments, > you can't jump to conclusions and criticize people without knowing all > the facts. This was the same problem we had when we were discussing > national convention and its online streaming. Remember that there is a > 70 percent unemployment rate among blind people. So, "raising the > funds yourself" is, more often than not, much easier said than done. > This, unfortunately, will stay a proven fact until we get totally > integrated into society, and we have a long way to go in that area. I > am not trying to be a downer, in fact, I'm very optomistic about the > work of the Federation. I'm trying to be a realist, and this, I > believe, is the unfortunate reality. Therefore, I don't think you can > fairly criticize other list members when they ask for advice to > resolve their problems with getting the needed accomodations in > school, when none of us; you, me, anyone, know every little fact about > the person's situation and the person in general. So, I propose to all > of you that we work to just give some constructive advice when a > lister posts a question about a problem they're having. If one of us > feels that they could do something differently, we could just suggest > it encouragingly: "Have you tried doing this? Maybe you could try this > instead of that." Hope this makes sense! > > Chris > > P.S. Joshua, while I understand your frustrations, I don't think Peter > should be banned from the list altogether because of his recent > comments. Of course, that's up to Mr. Andrews, but I think we should > encourage freedom of speech on our lists. I think people should only > be banned from the list if they are spamming it (Alexander Kaiser, for > example,) or posting inappropriate content to it, i.e. sexual material > or a lot of cursing. > > On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Good evening Josh and everyone, >> >> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a >> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the funds >> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this >> before >> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. The >> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win in >> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >> >> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >> offer. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >> Braille >> Press, about my Math textbook. >> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >> Braille. >> Where else can we go? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >> sloose%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. > com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gma > il.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. > com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Aug 28 18:09:13 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 13:09:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <001901cc65a2$8c398930$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <13492DB61F85477A9CEFD7F1F36BA67B@AngelaPC> Message-ID: Chris, I am actually taking Intermediate Algebra, this semester. I'm not ready for College Algebra, yet. I take it, next semester. I'm doing this class, endependent study, with Mrs Nelson, (my Algebra instructor.) I do this one on one, but would like to move into the normal classroom, next semester, for my final class. Blessings, Joshua On 8/28/11, chris nusbaum wrote: > Hi Angela, > > Exactly what I was saying! Actually, Josh was planning to take the > class this semester, but decided later that it would be better to take > it next semester. > > Chris > > On 8/28/11, Angela Fowler wrote: >> Hello folks, >> I feel compelled to chime in here, because in order to give Josh >> effective advice, we need to have a clear understanding of the situation >> he's facing. First, while the acronym DSO would seem to be referring to >> the >> place on a college campus where you would go to request test >> accommodations >> and the like, it would seem to me that in Josh's state it refers to what >> we >> in California would call the Department of Vocational Rehabilitation. This >> entity is responsible for providing such equipment as is necessary for >> Josh >> to successfully complete school, provided he is a client of theirs, which >> it >> would seem he is. >> Secondly, in the matter of the textbook, I believe I read correctly >> that it will be needed next semester, not this semester. Josh is starting >> a >> search for it a full semester ahead of time, giving him plenty of time to >> find it and have it transcribed if necessary. The office of services to >> students with disabilities, or whatever it is called at Josh's school, is >> responsible for providing transcription services if a Braille copy of the >> textbook is not found elsewhere. As another lister pointed out, the Louis >> database found on the APH web site is an excellent resource. Math texts >> are >> more difficult to find in accessible format than those in other subjects >> however, so Josh if you know which book you'll be needing it might be a >> good >> idea to begin the process of having it transcribed as soon as possible. >> Folks, to criticize Josh for lack of preparedness is unhelpful at >> best and potentially down-right discouraging to a student who may or nay >> not >> be struggling to learn the complexities of college life. His level of >> blindness skills training is irrelevant in this case also. I myself am a >> Colorado Center for the Blind graduate. Even so, I am struggling to grasp >> the complex and frustrating workings of all the different departments >> within >> Sac State university with which I must deal and which, as best I can tell, >> have absolutely no communication with each other. >> Josh approached this list seeking practical advice. As students, we >> all have situations which we suddenly find ourselves up against which we >> are >> not sure how to best resolve. Resolution of these situations brings wisdom >> however, and I'm sure Josh will take note of anything he can do next time >> to >> be better prepared for whatever may lie ahead of him. We are all students, >> engaged in a constant learning process in class and out. Resources like >> this >> list are a great source of support and knowledge. Please people, let's not >> diminish them with unhelpful criticism. >> Sincerely, >> Angela Fowler >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peter Donahue [mailto:pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com] >> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 9:50 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >> Hello Chris and everyone, >> >> And a 30% rate of employment among the blind. More to the point his >> guy >> bit off more than he could chew. He should have investigated all of these >> concerns prior to enrolling in school for this semester. Now he must deal >> with the consequences of such a decision. He is not alone in this respect. >> I've seen it happen numerous times. Blind people enroll in school that >> have >> not received good blindness training and lacking the skills and equipment >> needed to study independently and succeed in college. This is well >> documented by our organization. Hence it's not just Peter Donahue blowing >> off hot air. 70% or not if you want it bad enough you'll find a way to >> raise >> the needed funds to persue your dreams. Peter Donahue >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "chris nusbaum" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:46 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >> >> Hi Peter and everyone, >> >> That's one thing I agree with you on. That's the NFB right there: "If >> the going gets tough, the tough get going, and win in the end!" I've >> heard Dr. Maurer say this a lot. Now, as to the rest of your comments, >> you can't jump to conclusions and criticize people without knowing all >> the facts. This was the same problem we had when we were discussing >> national convention and its online streaming. Remember that there is a >> 70 percent unemployment rate among blind people. So, "raising the >> funds yourself" is, more often than not, much easier said than done. >> This, unfortunately, will stay a proven fact until we get totally >> integrated into society, and we have a long way to go in that area. I >> am not trying to be a downer, in fact, I'm very optomistic about the >> work of the Federation. I'm trying to be a realist, and this, I >> believe, is the unfortunate reality. Therefore, I don't think you can >> fairly criticize other list members when they ask for advice to >> resolve their problems with getting the needed accomodations in >> school, when none of us; you, me, anyone, know every little fact about >> the person's situation and the person in general. So, I propose to all >> of you that we work to just give some constructive advice when a >> lister posts a question about a problem they're having. If one of us >> feels that they could do something differently, we could just suggest >> it encouragingly: "Have you tried doing this? Maybe you could try this >> instead of that." Hope this makes sense! >> >> Chris >> >> P.S. Joshua, while I understand your frustrations, I don't think Peter >> should be banned from the list altogether because of his recent >> comments. Of course, that's up to Mr. Andrews, but I think we should >> encourage freedom of speech on our lists. I think people should only >> be banned from the list if they are spamming it (Alexander Kaiser, for >> example,) or posting inappropriate content to it, i.e. sexual material >> or a lot of cursing. >> >> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Good evening Josh and everyone, >>> >>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a >>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the funds >>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this >>> before >>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. >>> The >>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win >>> in >>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Beth" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>> >>> >>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >>> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >>> offer. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >>> Braille >>> Press, about my Math textbook. >>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >>> Braille. >>> Where else can we go? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >>> sloose%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. >> com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gma >> il.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr. >> com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 18:21:56 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:21:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Sirius XM internet radio and JAWS Message-ID: Hi everyone, I have a Sirius XM radio and want to use the Internet radio feature on the siriusxm.com Web site so I can listen to my favorite shows anywhere. For those of you who are fellow Sirius XM users, how accessible is the Internet radio with JAWS? Any tips on using it with JAWS? Thanks! Chris -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 18:27:46 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:27:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fun, Excitement and Danger Next Weekend at Our Arizona State Convention! In-Reply-To: <4E588650.2030602@gmail.com> References: <4E588650.2030602@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Deryl, Sounds really fun... except I won't be able to make it to Arizona for the convention. By the way, are you the same guy who does the Desert Cafe show on ACB Radio Interactive? Chris On 8/27/11, Darrell Shandrow wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Come one, Come all to a night of fun, excitement, and danger? > > Make your way to the 65th annual National Federation of the Blind of > Arizona State Convention and join the Arizona Association of blind > Students for our first ever game night. > > The fun part of this adventure is finding out that you CAN still play > that game that you love to play when you were sighted, but didn’t think > you would again. > > The excitement is getting to see old friends you may have lost touch > with or finding new ones. > > The dangerous part of this social is taking the risk and expanding your > horizons, making new friends and possibly losing spectacularly to a room > full of your potential friends. > > If this sounds interesting to you, please join us at the Sheraton > Airport Hotel, 1600 S. 52nd Street, Tempe, Arizona, near Sky Harbor > Airport in the Rio Salado room at 8:15 p.m. right after the tweetup > until the hotel decides to kick us out because we are too loud! > > For a 5 dollar fee you can have a fun-filled time with all your friends > while supporting your local student division. > > We will provide water, but you may bring your own drinks and food. > > We hope to see you all there, > > Stephen Hunsinger, Kristen Johnson, Darrell Shandrow, Somaya Tarin and > Tony Sohl > The Board of the Arizona Association of Blind Students > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From carlymih at earthlink.net Sun Aug 28 19:14:26 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 12:14:26 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Sirius XM internet radio and JAWS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110828121248.01d728e0@earthlink.net> Good morning, Chris, Not accessible, in the slightest though you can mess with it and see? Fortunately, we have a radio. for today, Car11:21 AM 8/28/2011, chris nusbaum wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I have a Sirius XM radio and want to use the Internet radio feature on >the siriusxm.com Web site so I can listen to my favorite shows >anywhere. For those of you who are fellow Sirius XM users, how >accessible is the Internet radio with JAWS? Any tips on using it with >JAWS? Thanks! > >Chris >-- >Chris Nusbaum > >"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > >Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >impaired children in MD say "I can!" > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Sun Aug 28 19:22:08 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:22:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Josh's Textbooks Message-ID: <005c01cc65b7$c781e0e0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Good afternoon everyone, I just sent Josh a message an copied my wife Mary concerning his textbooks. She works for the Education Service Center Region Twenty in San Antonio. I told Josh that he and his VR folks should contact them concerning his needs. For that matter if anyone else here needs textbooks in Braille and digital talking book format Region Twenty can produce them in both formats. If you want to learn more about the Braille-Aim Services visit their Web site at: http://www.braille.edu This is one more resource folks should bookmark as a source for textbook transcription. Here's hoping this will help not just Josh but others on this list. All the best. Peter Donahue "Will you come and awake our lost land from its slumber And her fetters we'll break, links that long are encumbered. And the air will resound with hosannas to greet you On the shore will be found gallant Irishmen to greet you." Will You Come to the Bower Traditional Irish Folk Song From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 19:25:24 2011 From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:25:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO Message-ID: <003101cc65b8$3d378ba0$b7a6a2e0$@com> Peter, You are certainly entitled to your own opinion about Joshua's decisions, but, unless you have something constructive to say that adds value to the thread, please keep it to yourself. This list is not for impugning others, it is a forum where people, as Chris rightly pointed out, should feel comfortable posting in search of help or advice, wherever they should find themselves. Thanks, Sean From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Aug 28 19:30:24 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:30:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: <003101cc65b8$3d378ba0$b7a6a2e0$@com> References: <003101cc65b8$3d378ba0$b7a6a2e0$@com> Message-ID: Sean, and all: Peter E-mailed me, and his wife is going to help me, in regards to finding a Braille textbook, for next semester. We've resolved this issue. Blessings, Joshua On 8/28/11, Sean Whalen wrote: > Peter, > > > > You are certainly entitled to your own opinion about Joshua's decisions, > but, unless you have something constructive to say that adds value to the > thread, please keep it to yourself. This list is not for impugning others, > it is a forum where people, as Chris rightly pointed out, should feel > comfortable posting in search of help or advice, wherever they should find > themselves. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sean > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Aug 28 19:34:05 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:34:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Josh's Textbooks In-Reply-To: <005c01cc65b7$c781e0e0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <005c01cc65b7$c781e0e0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: I already told them. Blessings, Joshua On 8/28/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Good afternoon everyone, > > I just sent Josh a message an copied my wife Mary concerning his textbooks. > She works for the Education Service Center Region Twenty in San Antonio. I > told Josh that he and his VR folks should contact them concerning his needs. > > For that matter if anyone else here needs textbooks in Braille and > digital talking book format Region Twenty can produce them in both formats. > If you want to learn more about the Braille-Aim Services visit their Web > site at: > http://www.braille.edu > > This is one more resource folks should bookmark as a source for textbook > transcription. Here's hoping this will help not just Josh but others on this > list. All the best. > > Peter Donahue > > > "Will you come and awake our lost land from its slumber > And her fetters we'll break, links that long are encumbered. > And the air will resound with hosannas to greet you > On the shore will be found gallant Irishmen to greet you." > Will You Come to the Bower > Traditional Irish Folk Song > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 28 19:43:30 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 15:43:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: <001901cc65a2$8c398930$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com><000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <001901cc65a2$8c398930$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Peter, Ideally, we should think of everything before the semester begins; but we are human. Its not good to criticize people for what they did not do. I hate when my mom does this. IF you did not do it, you did not do it and people pointing it out is hurtful. We should not have personal attacks. This list should be supportive and answer people's questions. I believe you miss the point. Joshua's VR agency, DSB, fails to support him by buying a braille notetaker and if they do not do that, they will not pay for a book. So he is turning to his disability support office, DSO, to contact transcription agencies and procure the book on his behalf. This is what a DSO is supposed to do. As a student you tell them the accomodations you need and point them to the right resources. We have to educate the DSO because they don't know much about blindness resources. You actually have to go through the DSO for electronic books and test accomodations. The publishers go through the DSO so they have proof of your disability. Other accomodations are handled through them because they need proof of a disability; yes its obvious someone's blind, but still everyone needs documentation now a days. We can work out some things ourselves like accessible handouts and talk to the professor, yet some things need to go through the DSO. Joshua is doing the right thing. Its not Joshua's responsibility to pay thousands of dollars for a textbook. It’s the college's responsibility. It is his responsibility though to purchase the print textbook and show proof of purchase; then the college does what it can to render it accessible. Times have changed and DSOs are here to stay. Its best if we work with them to have a good college education. When you went to school, you did everything yourself because there was NO DSO. But now there is and they play a role in accomodating us. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Peter Donahue Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 12:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO Hello Chris and everyone, And a 30% rate of employment among the blind. More to the point his guy bit off more than he could chew. He should have investigated all of these concerns prior to enrolling in school for this semester. Now he must deal with the consequences of such a decision. He is not alone in this respect. I've seen it happen numerous times. Blind people enroll in school that have not received good blindness training and lacking the skills and equipment needed to study independently and succeed in college. This is well documented by our organization. Hence it's not just Peter Donahue blowing off hot air. 70% or not if you want it bad enough you'll find a way to raise the needed funds to persue your dreams. Peter Donahue Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO Hi Peter and everyone, That's one thing I agree with you on. That's the NFB right there: "If the going gets tough, the tough get going, and win in the end!" I've heard Dr. Maurer say this a lot. Now, as to the rest of your comments, you can't jump to conclusions and criticize people without knowing all the facts. This was the same problem we had when we were discussing national convention and its online streaming. Remember that there is a 70 percent unemployment rate among blind people. So, "raising the funds yourself" is, more often than not, much easier said than done. This, unfortunately, will stay a proven fact until we get totally integrated into society, and we have a long way to go in that area. I am not trying to be a downer, in fact, I'm very optomistic about the work of the Federation. I'm trying to be a realist, and this, I believe, is the unfortunate reality. Therefore, I don't think you can fairly criticize other list members when they ask for advice to resolve their problems with getting the needed accomodations in school, when none of us; you, me, anyone, know every little fact about the person's situation and the person in general. So, I propose to all of you that we work to just give some constructive advice when a lister posts a question about a problem they're having. If one of us feels that they could do something differently, we could just suggest it encouragingly: "Have you tried doing this? Maybe you could try this instead of that." Hope this makes sense! Chris P.S. Joshua, while I understand your frustrations, I don't think Peter should be banned from the list altogether because of his recent comments. Of course, that's up to Mr. Andrews, but I think we should encourage freedom of speech on our lists. I think people should only be banned from the list if they are spamming it (Alexander Kaiser, for example,) or posting inappropriate content to it, i.e. sexual material or a lot of cursing. On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Good evening Josh and everyone, > > If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a > transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the funds > for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this > before > the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. The > good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win in > the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > > I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille > transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can > offer. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National > Braille > Press, about my Math textbook. > They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in > Braille. > Where else can we go? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > sloose%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 28 19:46:50 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 15:46:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Josh's Textbooks In-Reply-To: <005c01cc65b7$c781e0e0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <005c01cc65b7$c781e0e0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <9D66365070DF4DC984CBE632B3CE95DF@OwnerPC> Peter, Now that was helpful! Always looking for sources of braille transcription. My prior school, George Mason University, tries to find transcription services for brailling math or science books. I might pass this to them Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Peter Donahue Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 3:22 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Josh's Textbooks Good afternoon everyone, I just sent Josh a message an copied my wife Mary concerning his textbooks. She works for the Education Service Center Region Twenty in San Antonio. I told Josh that he and his VR folks should contact them concerning his needs. For that matter if anyone else here needs textbooks in Braille and digital talking book format Region Twenty can produce them in both formats. If you want to learn more about the Braille-Aim Services visit their Web site at: http://www.braille.edu This is one more resource folks should bookmark as a source for textbook transcription. Here's hoping this will help not just Josh but others on this list. All the best. Peter Donahue "Will you come and awake our lost land from its slumber And her fetters we'll break, links that long are encumbered. And the air will resound with hosannas to greet you On the shore will be found gallant Irishmen to greet you." Will You Come to the Bower Traditional Irish Folk Song _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Aug 28 20:09:46 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 15:09:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Josh's Textbooks In-Reply-To: <9D66365070DF4DC984CBE632B3CE95DF@OwnerPC> References: <005c01cc65b7$c781e0e0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <9D66365070DF4DC984CBE632B3CE95DF@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Yes! Ashley, BTW, I'll ask you again. Please E-mail me off list. Thanks, Joshua On 8/28/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Peter, > Now that was helpful! Always looking for sources of braille transcription. > My prior school, George Mason University, tries to find transcription > services for brailling math or science books. I might pass this to them > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Donahue > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 3:22 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Josh's Textbooks > > Good afternoon everyone, > > I just sent Josh a message an copied my wife Mary concerning his textbooks. > She works for the Education Service Center Region Twenty in San Antonio. I > told Josh that he and his VR folks should contact them concerning his needs. > > For that matter if anyone else here needs textbooks in Braille and > digital talking book format Region Twenty can produce them in both formats. > If you want to learn more about the Braille-Aim Services visit their Web > site at: > http://www.braille.edu > > This is one more resource folks should bookmark as a source for textbook > transcription. Here's hoping this will help not just Josh but others on this > list. All the best. > > Peter Donahue > > > "Will you come and awake our lost land from its slumber > And her fetters we'll break, links that long are encumbered. > And the air will resound with hosannas to greet you > On the shore will be found gallant Irishmen to greet you." > Will You Come to the Bower > Traditional Irish Folk Song > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From carlymih at earthlink.net Sun Aug 28 20:11:27 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 13:11:27 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110828130918.01d643b8@earthlink.net> Good morning, Keri, You could present the scenario to friend X. of just saying the circumstances but refering to him/her as something like friend XXX? I mean does she want ansers, or not? Doesn't ss=eem to me that people can identify her based on a situational or circumstantial, account, right? At 07:50 AM 8/27/2011, you wrote: >Hi David and All: > >Because these lists are archived, searchable, and open to anyone who >wants to read them, my friend does not want to really put what any of >the issues were or which center it was on the list. I'm sorry, I'm >just going by what she has asked me to put here. > >She basically just wants to know if she were to feel more training is >necessary since she has already attended an NFB training center could >she attend another one or a similar training center? > >Also she says windows live mail is flash based and Jaws keeps just >reading the top of the screen. If anyone knows anything about windows >live mail or how to make it work with Jaws feel free to write either >on or off list and let me know. > >I'm sorry I can't put more info about the situation. >Kerri > >On 8/26/11, David Dodge wrote: > > Kerri, > > I cannot really speak to the Windows Live issue because I am not a > > technology person by any stretch of the imagination. > > > > What specific problems, if you don't mind my asking, is your friend having > > at college? The reason I ask is because it will give a better understanding > > as to whether the issues are, forgive me, "typical" of college or if the > > lack of training really is the key issue. > > > > If she does decide it is the lack of training that is the issue then it > > would make sense to me for her to go back to a center if there is no other > > way she can get the training, experience, she needs. She needs to weigh the > > pros and cons for herself (with your guidance perhaps) about what would be > > best. Unless she goes in the summer, I assume she would be taking off time > > from college to do this and that can cause other obstacles as well. > > > > I feel like I've asked more questions than provided helpful insight, but I > > hope this at least starts some thinking. > > > > David > > ---------------------------------- > > David Dodge > > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > > State University of New York Student Assembly > > English Major > > University at Buffalo > > 306 Clemens Hall > > Buffalo, NY 14260 > > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: > > > >> Hi All: > >> > >> I have a friend who is not on this list who is really struggling with > >> a few issues. Since she is not on this list she has asked me to post > >> some questions for her. > >> > >> Her school uses Windows Live for their email. She says this is flash > >> based and she can't seem to get it to work with Jaws. Does anyone know > >> or have any ideas of how to get windows live email to work with Jaws > >> or is it totally inaccessible? > >> > >> Next, my friend attended an NFB center (it was not LCB.) They were > >> changing some staff members around and because of this among other > >> things she was not taught some skills. Because of this she is having a > >> hard time with college and is very frustrated. Would it be possible > >> for her to go back to training and attend one of the other two NFB > >> training centers or one that is similar? > >> > >> Thanks so much! > >> Kerri > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Aug 28 20:13:29 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 15:13:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <001901cc65a2$8c398930$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Awesome post! The critics are as annoying as Simon, from American Idol. Blessings, Joshua On 8/28/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: > Peter, > Ideally, we should think of everything before the semester begins; but we > are human. Its not good to criticize > people for what they did not do. I hate when my mom does this. IF you did > not do it, you did not do it and people pointing it out is hurtful. > We should not have personal attacks. This list should be supportive and > answer people's questions. > I believe you miss the point. Joshua's VR agency, DSB, fails to support him > by buying a braille notetaker and if they do not do that, they will not pay > for a book. > So he is turning to his disability support office, DSO, to contact > transcription agencies and procure the book on his behalf. This is what a > DSO is supposed to do. As a student you tell them the accomodations you need > and point them to the right resources. We have to educate the DSO because > they don't know much about blindness resources. > You actually have to go through the DSO for electronic books and test > accomodations. The publishers go through the DSO so they have proof of your > disability. Other accomodations are handled through them because > they need proof of a disability; yes its obvious someone's blind, but still > everyone needs documentation now a days. > We can work out some things ourselves like accessible handouts and talk to > the professor, yet some things need to go through the DSO. Joshua is doing > the right thing. > Its not Joshua's responsibility to pay thousands of dollars for a textbook. > It’s the college's responsibility. > It is his responsibility though to purchase the print textbook and show > proof of purchase; then the college does what it can to render it > accessible. > Times have changed and DSOs are here to stay. Its best if we work with them > to have a good college education. > When you went to school, you did everything yourself because there was NO > DSO. But now there is and they play a role in accomodating us. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Donahue > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 12:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > Hello Chris and everyone, > > And a 30% rate of employment among the blind. More to the point his guy > bit off more than he could chew. He should have investigated all of these > concerns prior to enrolling in school for this semester. Now he must deal > with the consequences of such a decision. He is not alone in this respect. > I've seen it happen numerous times. Blind people enroll in school that have > not received good blindness training and lacking the skills and equipment > needed to study independently and succeed in college. This is well > documented by our organization. Hence it's not just Peter Donahue blowing > off hot air. 70% or not if you want it bad enough you'll find a way to raise > the needed funds to persue your dreams. Peter Donahue > > Peter Donahue > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chris nusbaum" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:46 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > > Hi Peter and everyone, > > That's one thing I agree with you on. That's the NFB right there: "If > the going gets tough, the tough get going, and win in the end!" I've > heard Dr. Maurer say this a lot. Now, as to the rest of your comments, > you can't jump to conclusions and criticize people without knowing all > the facts. This was the same problem we had when we were discussing > national convention and its online streaming. Remember that there is a > 70 percent unemployment rate among blind people. So, "raising the > funds yourself" is, more often than not, much easier said than done. > This, unfortunately, will stay a proven fact until we get totally > integrated into society, and we have a long way to go in that area. I > am not trying to be a downer, in fact, I'm very optomistic about the > work of the Federation. I'm trying to be a realist, and this, I > believe, is the unfortunate reality. Therefore, I don't think you can > fairly criticize other list members when they ask for advice to > resolve their problems with getting the needed accomodations in > school, when none of us; you, me, anyone, know every little fact about > the person's situation and the person in general. So, I propose to all > of you that we work to just give some constructive advice when a > lister posts a question about a problem they're having. If one of us > feels that they could do something differently, we could just suggest > it encouragingly: "Have you tried doing this? Maybe you could try this > instead of that." Hope this makes sense! > > Chris > > P.S. Joshua, while I understand your frustrations, I don't think Peter > should be banned from the list altogether because of his recent > comments. Of course, that's up to Mr. Andrews, but I think we should > encourage freedom of speech on our lists. I think people should only > be banned from the list if they are spamming it (Alexander Kaiser, for > example,) or posting inappropriate content to it, i.e. sexual material > or a lot of cursing. > > On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Good evening Josh and everyone, >> >> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a >> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the funds >> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this >> before >> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. The >> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win in >> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >> >> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >> offer. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >> Braille >> Press, about my Math textbook. >> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >> Braille. >> Where else can we go? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >> sloose%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 20:22:51 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:22:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <001901cc65a2$8c398930$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: You've got that right! Kind of glad he's off the show! Sometimes, I thought he was hearing things... but that's beside the point. This isn't an American Idol list, so let's get back on topic, LOL. Chris On 8/28/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Awesome post! > The critics are as annoying as Simon, from American Idol. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/28/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >> Peter, >> Ideally, we should think of everything before the semester begins; but we >> are human. Its not good to criticize >> people for what they did not do. I hate when my mom does this. IF you did >> not do it, you did not do it and people pointing it out is hurtful. >> We should not have personal attacks. This list should be supportive and >> answer people's questions. >> I believe you miss the point. Joshua's VR agency, DSB, fails to support >> him >> by buying a braille notetaker and if they do not do that, they will not >> pay >> for a book. >> So he is turning to his disability support office, DSO, to contact >> transcription agencies and procure the book on his behalf. This is what a >> DSO is supposed to do. As a student you tell them the accomodations you >> need >> and point them to the right resources. We have to educate the DSO because >> they don't know much about blindness resources. >> You actually have to go through the DSO for electronic books and test >> accomodations. The publishers go through the DSO so they have proof of >> your >> disability. Other accomodations are handled through them because >> they need proof of a disability; yes its obvious someone's blind, but >> still >> everyone needs documentation now a days. >> We can work out some things ourselves like accessible handouts and talk to >> the professor, yet some things need to go through the DSO. Joshua is doing >> the right thing. >> Its not Joshua's responsibility to pay thousands of dollars for a >> textbook. >> It’s the college's responsibility. >> It is his responsibility though to purchase the print textbook and show >> proof of purchase; then the college does what it can to render it >> accessible. >> Times have changed and DSOs are here to stay. Its best if we work with >> them >> to have a good college education. >> When you went to school, you did everything yourself because there was NO >> DSO. But now there is and they play a role in accomodating us. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peter Donahue >> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 12:50 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >> Hello Chris and everyone, >> >> And a 30% rate of employment among the blind. More to the point his >> guy >> bit off more than he could chew. He should have investigated all of these >> concerns prior to enrolling in school for this semester. Now he must deal >> with the consequences of such a decision. He is not alone in this respect. >> I've seen it happen numerous times. Blind people enroll in school that >> have >> not received good blindness training and lacking the skills and equipment >> needed to study independently and succeed in college. This is well >> documented by our organization. Hence it's not just Peter Donahue blowing >> off hot air. 70% or not if you want it bad enough you'll find a way to >> raise >> the needed funds to persue your dreams. Peter Donahue >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "chris nusbaum" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:46 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >> >> Hi Peter and everyone, >> >> That's one thing I agree with you on. That's the NFB right there: "If >> the going gets tough, the tough get going, and win in the end!" I've >> heard Dr. Maurer say this a lot. Now, as to the rest of your comments, >> you can't jump to conclusions and criticize people without knowing all >> the facts. This was the same problem we had when we were discussing >> national convention and its online streaming. Remember that there is a >> 70 percent unemployment rate among blind people. So, "raising the >> funds yourself" is, more often than not, much easier said than done. >> This, unfortunately, will stay a proven fact until we get totally >> integrated into society, and we have a long way to go in that area. I >> am not trying to be a downer, in fact, I'm very optomistic about the >> work of the Federation. I'm trying to be a realist, and this, I >> believe, is the unfortunate reality. Therefore, I don't think you can >> fairly criticize other list members when they ask for advice to >> resolve their problems with getting the needed accomodations in >> school, when none of us; you, me, anyone, know every little fact about >> the person's situation and the person in general. So, I propose to all >> of you that we work to just give some constructive advice when a >> lister posts a question about a problem they're having. If one of us >> feels that they could do something differently, we could just suggest >> it encouragingly: "Have you tried doing this? Maybe you could try this >> instead of that." Hope this makes sense! >> >> Chris >> >> P.S. Joshua, while I understand your frustrations, I don't think Peter >> should be banned from the list altogether because of his recent >> comments. Of course, that's up to Mr. Andrews, but I think we should >> encourage freedom of speech on our lists. I think people should only >> be banned from the list if they are spamming it (Alexander Kaiser, for >> example,) or posting inappropriate content to it, i.e. sexual material >> or a lot of cursing. >> >> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> Good evening Josh and everyone, >>> >>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a >>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the funds >>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this >>> before >>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. >>> The >>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win >>> in >>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. >>> >>> Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Beth" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>> >>> >>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >>> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >>> offer. >>> Beth >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >>> Braille >>> Press, about my Math textbook. >>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >>> Braille. >>> Where else can we go? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >>> sloose%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 20:27:44 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:27:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: <003101cc65b8$3d378ba0$b7a6a2e0$@com> Message-ID: Hi Joshua, Great! I'm glad something got worked out, and that Peter contributed to that resolution. Chris On 8/28/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Sean, and all: > Peter E-mailed me, and his wife is going to help me, in regards to > finding a Braille textbook, for next semester. > We've resolved this issue. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/28/11, Sean Whalen wrote: >> Peter, >> >> >> >> You are certainly entitled to your own opinion about Joshua's decisions, >> but, unless you have something constructive to say that adds value to the >> thread, please keep it to yourself. This list is not for impugning others, >> it is a forum where people, as Chris rightly pointed out, should feel >> comfortable posting in search of help or advice, wherever they should find >> themselves. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Sean >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 20:33:42 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:33:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Josh's Textbooks In-Reply-To: References: <005c01cc65b7$c781e0e0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <9D66365070DF4DC984CBE632B3CE95DF@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Thank you for the information! That was very helpfull, and a good resource. I think I got a textbook from Region 20 (or at least transcribed by them) through the Maryland IRC (Instructional Resource Center) last year. They do a great job of transcribing textbooks, and I hope all of you will find their services helpfull! Chris On 8/28/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Yes! > Ashley, BTW, I'll ask you again. > Please E-mail me off list. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 8/28/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >> Peter, >> Now that was helpful! Always looking for sources of braille transcription. >> My prior school, George Mason University, tries to find transcription >> services for brailling math or science books. I might pass this to them >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Peter Donahue >> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 3:22 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] Josh's Textbooks >> >> Good afternoon everyone, >> >> I just sent Josh a message an copied my wife Mary concerning his >> textbooks. >> She works for the Education Service Center Region Twenty in San Antonio. I >> told Josh that he and his VR folks should contact them concerning his >> needs. >> >> For that matter if anyone else here needs textbooks in Braille and >> digital talking book format Region Twenty can produce them in both >> formats. >> If you want to learn more about the Braille-Aim Services visit their Web >> site at: >> http://www.braille.edu >> >> This is one more resource folks should bookmark as a source for >> textbook >> transcription. Here's hoping this will help not just Josh but others on >> this >> list. All the best. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> "Will you come and awake our lost land from its slumber >> And her fetters we'll break, links that long are encumbered. >> And the air will resound with hosannas to greet you >> On the shore will be found gallant Irishmen to greet you." >> Will You Come to the Bower >> Traditional Irish Folk Song >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 20:35:02 2011 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:35:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110828130918.01d643b8@earthlink.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20110828130918.01d643b8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Everyone: I believe Outlook would be more accessible than Windows Live mail but Windows Live mail is what her school uses. We've got both issues worked out now though. She talked to someone about her skills training issue and they gave her a few ideas that don't involve getting more training so that's worked out. She has set her mail up on her Iphone. She will likely just use Gmail as someone suggested on here to send messages and replies to her professors. She uses a Mac so I don't believe Outlook is an option. We're both from West Virginia. Thanks again everyone for all the suggestions and information. Kerri On 8/28/11, Carly wrote: > > Good morning, Keri, > > You could present the scenario to friend X. of just saying the > circumstances but refering to him/her as something like friend XXX? I > mean does she want ansers, or not? Doesn't ss=eem to me that people > can identify her based on a situational or circumstantial, account, > right? At 07:50 AM 8/27/2011, you wrote: >>Hi David and All: >> >>Because these lists are archived, searchable, and open to anyone who >>wants to read them, my friend does not want to really put what any of >>the issues were or which center it was on the list. I'm sorry, I'm >>just going by what she has asked me to put here. >> >>She basically just wants to know if she were to feel more training is >>necessary since she has already attended an NFB training center could >>she attend another one or a similar training center? >> >>Also she says windows live mail is flash based and Jaws keeps just >>reading the top of the screen. If anyone knows anything about windows >>live mail or how to make it work with Jaws feel free to write either >>on or off list and let me know. >> >>I'm sorry I can't put more info about the situation. >>Kerri >> >>On 8/26/11, David Dodge wrote: >> > Kerri, >> > I cannot really speak to the Windows Live issue because I am not a >> > technology person by any stretch of the imagination. >> > >> > What specific problems, if you don't mind my asking, is your friend >> > having >> > at college? The reason I ask is because it will give a better >> > understanding >> > as to whether the issues are, forgive me, "typical" of college or if the >> > lack of training really is the key issue. >> > >> > If she does decide it is the lack of training that is the issue then it >> > would make sense to me for her to go back to a center if there is no >> > other >> > way she can get the training, experience, she needs. She needs to weigh >> > the >> > pros and cons for herself (with your guidance perhaps) about what would >> > be >> > best. Unless she goes in the summer, I assume she would be taking off >> > time >> > from college to do this and that can cause other obstacles as well. >> > >> > I feel like I've asked more questions than provided helpful insight, but >> > I >> > hope this at least starts some thinking. >> > >> > David >> > ---------------------------------- >> > David Dodge >> > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> > State University of New York Student Assembly >> > English Major >> > University at Buffalo >> > 306 Clemens Hall >> > Buffalo, NY 14260 >> > daviddod at buffalo.edu >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Kerri Kosten >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Hi All: >> >> >> >> I have a friend who is not on this list who is really struggling with >> >> a few issues. Since she is not on this list she has asked me to post >> >> some questions for her. >> >> >> >> Her school uses Windows Live for their email. She says this is flash >> >> based and she can't seem to get it to work with Jaws. Does anyone know >> >> or have any ideas of how to get windows live email to work with Jaws >> >> or is it totally inaccessible? >> >> >> >> Next, my friend attended an NFB center (it was not LCB.) They were >> >> changing some staff members around and because of this among other >> >> things she was not taught some skills. Because of this she is having a >> >> hard time with college and is very frustrated. Would it be possible >> >> for her to go back to training and attend one of the other two NFB >> >> training centers or one that is similar? >> >> >> >> Thanks so much! >> >> Kerri >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > From daviddod at buffalo.edu Sun Aug 28 20:41:36 2011 From: daviddod at buffalo.edu (David Dodge) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:41:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20110828003430.01cb33d0@earthlink.net> References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <7.0.1.0.2.20110828003430.01cb33d0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: We are free to say whatever we'd like and thank goodness for that. I just sometimes think we should think about what we say a little more often. No one has to agree with me. David ---------------------------------- David Dodge Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. State University of New York Student Assembly English Major University at Buffalo 306 Clemens Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 daviddod at buffalo.edu On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 3:39 AM, Carly wrote: > > > > Hi, David, > > insidious muzzle, is that. I probably needn't remind you that, people > rarely, restrain themselves in the name of how it could potentially make > others feel. > In short, if free speech is to be sanctioned ground, why must we have such > discourse, forced upon us?07:09 PM 8/27/2011, David Dodge wrote: > >> Hello Everyone, >> What I am about to say is in response to some recent posts I've seen on >> this >> listserv but isn't directed at anyone in particular. It's just the way I >> personally think things should go. >> >> First, and most importantly, everyone needs to feel comfortable posting >> what >> they are posting on this listserv. Therefore, before sending something out >> I >> highly recommend that we consider whether what we say will make others >> feel >> uncomfortable about what they are posting. >> >> Next, we always have the option of sending a response to everyone or just >> sending the response to a single individual or smaller group of >> individuals. >> Before sending something we should consider which is more valuable the >> message to everyone or to one or fewer people. >> >> I think we can get into trouble and hinder productivity when we don't >> think >> about the above. >> >> Thanks. >> >> David >> ------------------------------**---- >> David Dodge >> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >> State University of New York Student Assembly >> English Major >> University at Buffalo >> 306 Clemens Hall >> Buffalo, NY 14260 >> daviddod at buffalo.edu >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Joshua Lester < >> jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu**> wrote: >> >> > Nimer, I've had issues with DSB, in the past, and they haven't been >> > willing to help. >> > I need a note taker, that they won't provide, and some textbooks. >> > I've talked about DSB, in other threads. >> > I'll try to contact them, as well. >> > BTW, I'm a Pac Mate user. >> > Thanks for defending me, but please cut out the cursing. >> > Thanks, Joshua >> > >> > On 8/27/11, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: >> > > Peter, >> > > >> > > I am really tired of your comments to this list. Who gives a damn >> > > about what he did or didn't do in the past. The past is done, we're >> > > talking about today. He wrote to this list asking how he can solve a >> > > problem, and that is pretty damn proactive if you ask me. Joshua, nice >> > > job on that. And all you can come up with is you'll have to raise the >> > > funds yourself and why didn't you do this before crap? How about >> > > answering the man's questions for a change? >> > > >> > > Joshua, your VR counselor is the same as DSB in Arkansas. That is what >> > > they do. They ought to have some resources for you. Peter is right >> > > that you will have to look into getting a reader for now, but Perkins >> > > and a few other resources as has been mentioned will do braille >> > > transcription, and it is possible that Arkansas has their own services >> > > that they offer, but I'm not too sure about this. Talk to your >> > > counselor down there and see what they say. If you don't get anywhere, >> > > please contact me off list and I will see what I can do as I have a >> > > couple of contacts down there in Arkansas and within a couple of other >> > > organizations that may be able to assist you. >> > > >> > > Sincerely >> > > >> > > Nimer J >> > > >> > > On 27.08.2011, Joshua Lester > >> wrote: >> > >> I did the research, and went with what I found, at first. >> > >> I have received more information, and will go with what I've >> received. >> > >> Blessings, Joshua >> > >> >> > >> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> > >>> Good evening Josh and everyone, >> > >>> >> > >>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a >> > >>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the >> > funds >> > >>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this >> > >>> before >> > >>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to >> hoe. >> > >>> The >> > >>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and >> win >> > >>> in >> > >>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your >> situation. >> > >>> >> > >>> Peter Donahue >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> > >>> From: "Beth" >> > >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > >>> >> > >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >> > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >> > >>> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >> > >>> offer. >> > >>> Beth >> > >>> >> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> > >>> From: Joshua Lester >> > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > >>> > > >>> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >> > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> > >>> >> > >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> > >>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >> > >>> Braille >> > >>> Press, about my Math textbook. >> > >>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >> > >>> Braille. >> > >>> Where else can we go? >> > >>> Thanks, Joshua >> > >>> >> > >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> > >>> nabs-l mailing list >> > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> > >>> for nabs-l: >> > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> thebluesi >> > >>> sloose%40gmail.com >> > >>> >> > >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> > >>> nabs-l mailing list >> > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> > >>> nabs-l: >> > >>> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> ______________________________**_________________ >> > >>> nabs-l mailing list >> > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> > >>> nabs-l: >> > >>> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> jlester8462%40students.pccua.**edu >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> ______________________________**_________________ >> > >> nabs-l mailing list >> > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > >> nabs-l: >> > >> >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >> nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Nimer M. 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I use most the functions available with both, and I don't encounter many problems in terms of accessibility. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 12:32:59 -0400 From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi everyone, It sounds to me like Outlook is a lot more accessible than Live Mail. Which is more accessible? Chris From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 21:29:18 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 17:29:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook and Windows Live In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bridgit, Thanks for the information! I'll probably use Outlook, since I already have a Gmail account and would have to get another account to use Live Mail. Chris On 8/28/11, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote: > Chris, > > I use Hotmail, which is the Window Live email, and Outlook, and I find > both accessible with JAWS. I use most the functions available with > both, and I don't encounter many problems in terms of accessibility. > > Sincerely, > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 12:32:59 -0400 > From: chris nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi everyone, > > It sounds to me like Outlook is a lot more accessible than Live Mail. > Which is more accessible? > > Chris > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 21:32:52 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 17:32:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: We're on Android! In-Reply-To: <0.0.16.224.1CC637024FD6F3E.534900@mail1.po155.com> References: <0.0.16.224.1CC637024FD6F3E.534900@mail1.po155.com> Message-ID: Here's some exciting information for Blio and/or Android users: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Blio.com" Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 17:44:18 -0400 Subject: We're on Android! 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The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Sun Aug 28 22:17:19 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 17:17:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] What we should and should not post, blah, blah, blah In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello, I find it bothersome when suggestions are made to "ban" anyone from any email list. I've seen opinionated, strong and even aggressive posts on these email lists, but I've never read anything that I believe is worthy of banishment. Personally I think it's important to consider those who may participate in an online community. We all come from various backgrounds with multiple views and beliefs. I'm not offended by strong language or opinionated, agenda-driven material even when I disagree, however, I understand some people don't appreciate postings containing this type of material. Refraining from certain vernacular or aggressive tones helps foster a general respect among an online community. Despite our own feelings and thoughts, we should attempt to consider others views when responding. That being said, no one is forced to read all the content listed. Personally, I could do without the non-school related posts or frivolous, fluff not intended to challenge and make us think, but I don't bother to address this. It's a big world full of differing lifestyles and views- if I expected every person and every thing I find offensive or annoying to be banned or stifled, I'd find myself alone, talking to a wall. Here's the thing, if I want to say things and believe things, I have to allow others the same right. Trust me, I'm an opinionated person who can get heated, but nothing good has ever come from censoring or banning people and ideas. I see so much bickering on this list because of disagreements and people taking offense to what others say. If posts and responses were structured to facilitate open discussions even when we disagree, this would be a healthy, constructive line of communication. Most the time, though, discussions spiral down to name-calling, rude, aggressive-toned responses, requests for others to stifle or even stop- it becomes rather ridiculous and pointless. What we post should be informative and helpful and relate, in some way, to school and blindness, but most the time when discussions are allegedly offensive in nature, the discussion has dwindled down to something no longer constructive or helpful. There's an intelligent, constructive way to debate opinions and ideas, but usually arguments here end up as street fights, and not nice Westside Story street fights. I find nastiness more offensive than cursing or other material deemed offensive. We choose what we say, we choose to react. I chose to write this email- I didn't have to, and I wasn't forced; I made a choice. When we read and respond, we do so because we made a decision. If a particular person tends to make steam squiggle out of your ears, avoid their posts. If you find certain material offensive, don't read it, or at least don't respond to it. It's simple. Arg! I don't really know why I'm involving myself in this. I just get tired of people, and this is not directed to any individual, dwelling on what bothers them and choosing to respond and creating more animosity. Short of prejudicial and discriminatory posts, no one deserves to be banned- not that I think this is ever taken seriously, but it's not necessary to make the comment. What do I know though? I'm posting about not posting when something bothers or annoys you because something bothers and annoys me. *smirky grin* Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 25 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 00:39:31 -0700 From: Carly To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list , National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110828003430.01cb33d0 at earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Hi, David, insidious muzzle, is that. I probably needn't remind you that, people rarely, restrain themselves in the name of how it could potentially make others feel. In short, if free speech is to be sanctioned ground, why must we have such discourse, forced upon us?07:09 PM 8/27/2011, David Dodge wrote: >Hello Everyone, >What I am about to say is in response to some recent posts I've seen on >this listserv but isn't directed at anyone in particular. It's just the >way I personally think things should go. > >First, and most importantly, everyone needs to feel comfortable posting >what they are posting on this listserv. Therefore, before sending >something out I highly recommend that we consider whether what we say >will make others feel uncomfortable about what they are posting. > >Next, we always have the option of sending a response to everyone or >just sending the response to a single individual or smaller group of >individuals. Before sending something we should consider which is more >valuable the message to everyone or to one or fewer people. > >I think we can get into trouble and hinder productivity when we don't >think about the above. > >Thanks. > >David From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Aug 28 22:24:00 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 18:24:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] What we should and should not post, blah, blah, blah In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good advice Bridgit. Sometimes things get heated. I f I think the post is too personal in nature, I write off list. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Bridgit Pollpeter Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 6:17 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] What we should and should not post, blah, blah, blah Hello, I find it bothersome when suggestions are made to "ban" anyone from any email list. I've seen opinionated, strong and even aggressive posts on these email lists, but I've never read anything that I believe is worthy of banishment. Personally I think it's important to consider those who may participate in an online community. We all come from various backgrounds with multiple views and beliefs. I'm not offended by strong language or opinionated, agenda-driven material even when I disagree, however, I understand some people don't appreciate postings containing this type of material. Refraining from certain vernacular or aggressive tones helps foster a general respect among an online community. Despite our own feelings and thoughts, we should attempt to consider others views when responding. That being said, no one is forced to read all the content listed. Personally, I could do without the non-school related posts or frivolous, fluff not intended to challenge and make us think, but I don't bother to address this. It's a big world full of differing lifestyles and views- if I expected every person and every thing I find offensive or annoying to be banned or stifled, I'd find myself alone, talking to a wall. Here's the thing, if I want to say things and believe things, I have to allow others the same right. Trust me, I'm an opinionated person who can get heated, but nothing good has ever come from censoring or banning people and ideas. I see so much bickering on this list because of disagreements and people taking offense to what others say. If posts and responses were structured to facilitate open discussions even when we disagree, this would be a healthy, constructive line of communication. Most the time, though, discussions spiral down to name-calling, rude, aggressive-toned responses, requests for others to stifle or even stop- it becomes rather ridiculous and pointless. What we post should be informative and helpful and relate, in some way, to school and blindness, but most the time when discussions are allegedly offensive in nature, the discussion has dwindled down to something no longer constructive or helpful. There's an intelligent, constructive way to debate opinions and ideas, but usually arguments here end up as street fights, and not nice Westside Story street fights. I find nastiness more offensive than cursing or other material deemed offensive. We choose what we say, we choose to react. I chose to write this email- I didn't have to, and I wasn't forced; I made a choice. When we read and respond, we do so because we made a decision. If a particular person tends to make steam squiggle out of your ears, avoid their posts. If you find certain material offensive, don't read it, or at least don't respond to it. It's simple. Arg! I don't really know why I'm involving myself in this. I just get tired of people, and this is not directed to any individual, dwelling on what bothers them and choosing to respond and creating more animosity. Short of prejudicial and discriminatory posts, no one deserves to be banned- not that I think this is ever taken seriously, but it's not necessary to make the comment. What do I know though? I'm posting about not posting when something bothers or annoys you because something bothers and annoys me. *smirky grin* Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 25 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 00:39:31 -0700 From: Carly To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list , National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20110828003430.01cb33d0 at earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Hi, David, insidious muzzle, is that. I probably needn't remind you that, people rarely, restrain themselves in the name of how it could potentially make others feel. In short, if free speech is to be sanctioned ground, why must we have such discourse, forced upon us?07:09 PM 8/27/2011, David Dodge wrote: >Hello Everyone, >What I am about to say is in response to some recent posts I've seen on >this listserv but isn't directed at anyone in particular. It's just the >way I personally think things should go. > >First, and most importantly, everyone needs to feel comfortable posting >what they are posting on this listserv. Therefore, before sending >something out I highly recommend that we consider whether what we say >will make others feel uncomfortable about what they are posting. > >Next, we always have the option of sending a response to everyone or >just sending the response to a single individual or smaller group of >individuals. Before sending something we should consider which is more >valuable the message to everyone or to one or fewer people. > >I think we can get into trouble and hinder productivity when we don't >think about the above. > >Thanks. > >David _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From colorado.students at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 22:53:57 2011 From: colorado.students at gmail.com (colorado students) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:53:57 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] reminder. Message-ID: This is a reminder about the cabs conference call this evening at 6:30PM. The number to call in is as follows 605-475-6006 and the code to enter is: > 587726 Melissa Green Your mind will never forget what your heart won't forgive From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Aug 29 00:18:34 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 19:18:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <7.0.1.0.2.20110828003430.01cb33d0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Good post, David! Blessings, Joshua On 8/28/11, David Dodge wrote: > We are free to say whatever we'd like and thank goodness for that. I just > sometimes think we should think about what we say a little more often. No > one has to agree with me. > > David > ---------------------------------- > David Dodge > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. > State University of New York Student Assembly > English Major > University at Buffalo > 306 Clemens Hall > Buffalo, NY 14260 > daviddod at buffalo.edu > > > On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 3:39 AM, Carly wrote: > >> >> >> >> Hi, David, >> >> insidious muzzle, is that. I probably needn't remind you that, people >> rarely, restrain themselves in the name of how it could potentially make >> others feel. >> In short, if free speech is to be sanctioned ground, why must we have such >> discourse, forced upon us?07:09 PM 8/27/2011, David Dodge wrote: >> >>> Hello Everyone, >>> What I am about to say is in response to some recent posts I've seen on >>> this >>> listserv but isn't directed at anyone in particular. It's just the way I >>> personally think things should go. >>> >>> First, and most importantly, everyone needs to feel comfortable posting >>> what >>> they are posting on this listserv. Therefore, before sending something >>> out >>> I >>> highly recommend that we consider whether what we say will make others >>> feel >>> uncomfortable about what they are posting. >>> >>> Next, we always have the option of sending a response to everyone or just >>> sending the response to a single individual or smaller group of >>> individuals. >>> Before sending something we should consider which is more valuable the >>> message to everyone or to one or fewer people. >>> >>> I think we can get into trouble and hinder productivity when we don't >>> think >>> about the above. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> David >>> ------------------------------**---- >>> David Dodge >>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>> English Major >>> University at Buffalo >>> 306 Clemens Hall >>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Joshua Lester < >>> jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu**> wrote: >>> >>> > Nimer, I've had issues with DSB, in the past, and they haven't been >>> > willing to help. >>> > I need a note taker, that they won't provide, and some textbooks. >>> > I've talked about DSB, in other threads. >>> > I'll try to contact them, as well. >>> > BTW, I'm a Pac Mate user. >>> > Thanks for defending me, but please cut out the cursing. >>> > Thanks, Joshua >>> > >>> > On 8/27/11, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: >>> > > Peter, >>> > > >>> > > I am really tired of your comments to this list. Who gives a damn >>> > > about what he did or didn't do in the past. The past is done, we're >>> > > talking about today. He wrote to this list asking how he can solve a >>> > > problem, and that is pretty damn proactive if you ask me. Joshua, >>> > > nice >>> > > job on that. And all you can come up with is you'll have to raise the >>> > > funds yourself and why didn't you do this before crap? How about >>> > > answering the man's questions for a change? >>> > > >>> > > Joshua, your VR counselor is the same as DSB in Arkansas. That is >>> > > what >>> > > they do. They ought to have some resources for you. Peter is right >>> > > that you will have to look into getting a reader for now, but Perkins >>> > > and a few other resources as has been mentioned will do braille >>> > > transcription, and it is possible that Arkansas has their own >>> > > services >>> > > that they offer, but I'm not too sure about this. Talk to your >>> > > counselor down there and see what they say. If you don't get >>> > > anywhere, >>> > > please contact me off list and I will see what I can do as I have a >>> > > couple of contacts down there in Arkansas and within a couple of >>> > > other >>> > > organizations that may be able to assist you. >>> > > >>> > > Sincerely >>> > > >>> > > Nimer J >>> > > >>> > > On 27.08.2011, Joshua Lester >>> > > > >>> wrote: >>> > >> I did the research, and went with what I found, at first. >>> > >> I have received more information, and will go with what I've >>> received. >>> > >> Blessings, Joshua >>> > >> >>> > >> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >>> > >>> Good evening Josh and everyone, >>> > >>> >>> > >>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire >>> > >>> a >>> > >>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the >>> > funds >>> > >>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research >>> > >>> this >>> > >>> before >>> > >>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to >>> hoe. >>> > >>> The >>> > >>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and >>> win >>> > >>> in >>> > >>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your >>> situation. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Peter Donahue >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> > >>> From: "Beth" >>> > >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >>> > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >>> > >>> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >>> > >>> offer. >>> > >>> Beth >>> > >>> >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> > >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> > >>> >>> > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> > >>> >> > >>> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >>> > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> > >>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >>> > >>> Braille >>> > >>> Press, about my Math textbook. >>> > >>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >>> > >>> Braille. >>> > >>> Where else can we go? >>> > >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> > >>> >>> > >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> > >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> > >>> for nabs-l: >>> > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> thebluesi >>> > >>> sloose%40gmail.com >>> > >>> >>> > >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> > >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> > >>> nabs-l: >>> > >>> >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> > >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> > >>> nabs-l: >>> > >>> >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> jlester8462%40students.pccua.**edu >>> > >>> >>> > >> >>> > >> ______________________________**_________________ >>> > >> nabs-l mailing list >>> > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> > >> for >>> > >> nabs-l: >>> > >> >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/**options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/** >>> nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > Nimer M. 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I'm eager to connect with you. Thanks. Thanks in advance. God bless, Roger Khouri On Sun, 28 Aug 2011, Sean Whalen wrote: > Peter, > > > > You are certainly entitled to your own opinion about Joshua's decisions, > but, unless you have something constructive to say that adds value to the > thread, please keep it to yourself. This list is not for impugning others, > it is a forum where people, as Chris rightly pointed out, should feel > comfortable posting in search of help or advice, wherever they should find > themselves. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Sean > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/roger%40roger.ca > Thanks in advance. God bless, Roger Khouri From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 17:28:47 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 13:28:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] what's up with the nabslinkaudio.org site? Message-ID: <4e5bcc57.ccd0dc0a.6169.5346@mx.google.com> Hi everyone, What's up with nabslinkaudio.org? I got the email at the beginning of the month saying that we were switching Web hosting providers, and now it's back up. However, now when I go to the site and click Enter on the "click here to download or listen to past NABS presentations" (or something like that) I get this message. The page cannot be displayed The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings. Cannot find server or DNS Error Internet Explorer This usually happens when I lost my wifi connection, but I've tried reconnecting, and it still won't work. Is the link broken or something? Any help would be appreciated! By the way, David, now that you're in my Gmail contacts, it added you to my Google Talk contacts. If you want to chat with me, you can do that, too. Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote From Inquire at YBResourceful.com Mon Aug 29 18:18:11 2011 From: Inquire at YBResourceful.com (Front Desk of the YB RESOURCEFUL Consulting Talents(YBRCT)-A Resourceful Consulting ToolBox www.YBResourceful.com) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:18:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook, or Live Mail- nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 35 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, first: full version of Outlook cost money, Live mail doesn't; second, I use Live mail, it's just find as Outlook on accessibility-I'm Jaws user. Can you explain the accessibility advantage of Outlook that you/the person is hinting? My company the YBRCT, offers Q&A training sessions on the email clients-on the Customized Backup Support page at: www.YBResourcefulConsultingTalents.com -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 1:00 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 35 Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to nabs-l at nfbnet.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org You can reach the person managing the list at nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: huricane Irene (chris nusbaum) 2. Re: Some Questions For A Friend (chris nusbaum) 3. Re: Sad news, from my DSO (Peter Donahue) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 12:14:51 -0400 From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] huricane Irene Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Nathan, We still have power here, thankfully! I also hope that this storm gets out of here as soon as possible, and life returns to normal... as normal as it can get. Now WJZ (our local CBS station in Baltimore) is saying there's another storm out in the tropics, and we have 3 more months to go until the end of the hurricane season. By the way, I got an email from Melissa (after I decided not to go to the MDABS seminar... or more accurately, Mom decided for me) that they finally canceled the seminar and will try to schedule a rain date in September. Wow! That was... a little too late! But... we can talk about that off list, since the rest of the list probably doesn't know what I'm talking about. If you want to give me a call today, I'm home. I'm glad your family is OK and you still have power. Mom just left to check on the store, so I hope it's good, too! Talk to you soon! Chris P.S. For the rest of the list, I was referring to some personal stuff in that email, that Nathan would know about because we're friends, but you don't have to worry about it if you don't know what I'm talking about in that email. On 8/28/11, Nathan Clark wrote: > Dear Chris, > How are you and your family doing with the storm, it is a big one? > Also, are you in the dark or are you like me and my family who still > have power? I hope this storm gets out of here as soon as possible. > > Sincerely, > > Nathan > > On 8/27/11, chris nusbaum wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I would just like to encourage everyone to stay safe if you're in the >> huge path of Hurricane Irene. It seems like a pretty big one, so >> please be carefull and heed the authorities' warnings and evacuate if >> you need to. I'm here in northern Maryland and we're preparing for the >> storm to hit. I was planning on going to the MDABS (Maryland >> Association of Blind Students) annual seminar today at the national >> center in Baltimore today, but unfortunately had to miss it because my >> mom was worried about getting home tonight. So, while I'm disappointed >> (very much so,) I hope nobody gets hurt who ends up going. So, once >> again, please be safe and use common sense in this storm! That's all I >> have to say. I hope everybody has a safe weekend if they're in the >> path of the huricane! >> >> Chris >> -- >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >> >> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 12:32:59 -0400 From: chris nusbaum To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi everyone, It sounds to me like Outlook is a lot more accessible than Live Mail. Which is more accessible? Chris On 8/27/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > Hello, > Where does that friend live? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Kerri Kosten > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 4:32 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend > > Hi Everyone: > > Thanks so much for all the helpful responses both on and fof list. > > My friend talked to someone and they gave her some ideas on how to > solve her issues. She thinks these ideas will work and so she will not > need to go for more training. > > I told her about the suggestions for using Windows live mail. I > believe she can make it work and have it put into her accomodations to > send and reply to her emails to her professors though Gmail. > > Again, thanks so much for all the help and information. > > Kerri > > On 8/27/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >> Kerri, >> Sorry to hear your friend is frustrated. I'm glad she asked your advice >> rather than slipping through the crack and possibly failing school. >> However, without knowing what skills she lacks, its hard to suggest a >> course of action. >> I agree with Bridgit. Assess the situation. What blindness skills are > they >> and how long would it take to learn them? >> Are the skills actually blindness related: travel, computer, and >> braille? >> Perhaps they stem from other issues more academic or coping with a new >> environment. Maybe its time management. Maybe its lack of getting > accessible >> handouts or accomodations with a professor; in that case, that is more >> of >> an advocacy skill. If books are the issue, remember to telll her about >> bookshare, learning ally, and of course the idea of hiring your own > readers. >> >> As to your question: can she attend >> another training center for more skills? That really depends. As Bridgit >> said, since she attended a program already, they may be reluctant to >> shoulder the cost again. Did she actually graduate the center? How long > was >> she there? >> She may want to think of staying in state rather than fight a battle for >> a >> whole program. If its just a few classes she needs, why fight the battle > to >> attend a program when she really needs just a few areas? >> She needs to consider what she wants to do and if she wants to expend > energy >> justifying going out of state for training. >> >> Some other ideas are: >> 1. Have a field rehab teacher or other teacher come to her home and teach >> that skill. In my state they provide this, but not frequently is the > issue. >> O&M is taught in your community and any daily living task like labeling, >> braille, housekeeping, etc is taught by a rehab teacher. At least where I > am >> they will send a technology tutor to you to teach any computer or > notetaker >> skills. >> 2. Seek out other blindness nonprofits for teaching. For instance, the >> braille institute in CA; a lighthouse for the blind; in NC there is >> something called the Metrolina association for the blind. If I knew the >> state, I may be able to suggest other organizations to help. >> 3. Seek out other individuals who are blind to help. Maybe from the NFB >> chapter. Is she a member of her student division? If they are active, >> getting a friend from that group may help. They can chat on the phone > about >> any computer questions and some daily living tasks. >> 4. If the skills needed are related to braille and academics, hadley > school >> for the blind, a distance education program, has basic academic classes > and >> braille. They have basic english skills like learning how to spell and >> punctuate sentences, to the advanced english classes of literature that > you >> would find in a freshman college class. They do the same for math. There > is >> also diagnostic tests if you do not know what class you would fit in. >> Go to www.hadley.edu to see their offerings; also they have webinars on a >> variety of topics from accessible technology to daily living. >> 5. A source for some technology training, if you pay for it, is Carroll >> center for the blind's Carrol Tech online classes. All there classes are > for >> windows systems and I think geared to the 2007 office applications. But >> check the website and call them with any questions before signing up. The >> site is www.carrolltech.org. >> I have not taken a hadley class or done carroll tech, but plan to do both >> and see how it goes. Hadley has some english classes I'd like to take. I >> already have my degree, but I just want to keep up my reading and > analytical >> skills. >> >> Don't forget about school resources for help with academics or related >> skills like time management or study skills. The school probably has a >> writing center, tutoring center, academic advisors and professors always >> have office hours. >> >> HTH, >> Ashley >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kerri Kosten >> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 8:21 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend >> >> Hi All: >> >> I have a friend who is not on this list who is really struggling with >> a few issues. Since she is not on this list she has asked me to post >> some questions for her. >> >> Her school uses Windows Live for their email. She says this is flash >> based and she can't seem to get it to work with Jaws. Does anyone know >> or have any ideas of how to get windows live email to work with Jaws >> or is it totally inaccessible? >> >> Next, my friend attended an NFB center (it was not LCB.) They were >> changing some staff members around and because of this among other >> things she was not taught some skills. Because of this she is having a >> hard time with college and is very frustrated. Would it be possible >> for her to go back to training and attend one of the other two NFB >> training centers or one that is similar? >> >> Thanks so much! >> Kerri >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl > ink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.c > om >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 11:50:09 -0500 From: "Peter Donahue" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO Message-ID: <001901cc65a2$8c398930$9e010b43 at yourfsyly0jtwn> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello Chris and everyone, And a 30% rate of employment among the blind. More to the point his guy bit off more than he could chew. He should have investigated all of these concerns prior to enrolling in school for this semester. Now he must deal with the consequences of such a decision. He is not alone in this respect. I've seen it happen numerous times. Blind people enroll in school that have not received good blindness training and lacking the skills and equipment needed to study independently and succeed in college. This is well documented by our organization. Hence it's not just Peter Donahue blowing off hot air. 70% or not if you want it bad enough you'll find a way to raise the needed funds to persue your dreams. Peter Donahue Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO Hi Peter and everyone, That's one thing I agree with you on. That's the NFB right there: "If the going gets tough, the tough get going, and win in the end!" I've heard Dr. Maurer say this a lot. Now, as to the rest of your comments, you can't jump to conclusions and criticize people without knowing all the facts. This was the same problem we had when we were discussing national convention and its online streaming. Remember that there is a 70 percent unemployment rate among blind people. So, "raising the funds yourself" is, more often than not, much easier said than done. This, unfortunately, will stay a proven fact until we get totally integrated into society, and we have a long way to go in that area. I am not trying to be a downer, in fact, I'm very optomistic about the work of the Federation. I'm trying to be a realist, and this, I believe, is the unfortunate reality. Therefore, I don't think you can fairly criticize other list members when they ask for advice to resolve their problems with getting the needed accomodations in school, when none of us; you, me, anyone, know every little fact about the person's situation and the person in general. So, I propose to all of you that we work to just give some constructive advice when a lister posts a question about a problem they're having. If one of us feels that they could do something differently, we could just suggest it encouragingly: "Have you tried doing this? Maybe you could try this instead of that." Hope this makes sense! Chris P.S. Joshua, while I understand your frustrations, I don't think Peter should be banned from the list altogether because of his recent comments. Of course, that's up to Mr. Andrews, but I think we should encourage freedom of speech on our lists. I think people should only be banned from the list if they are spamming it (Alexander Kaiser, for example,) or posting inappropriate content to it, i.e. sexual material or a lot of cursing. On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Good evening Josh and everyone, > > If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a > transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the funds > for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this > before > the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. The > good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win in > the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > > I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille > transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can > offer. > Beth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National > Braille > Press, about my Math textbook. > They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in > Braille. > Where else can we go? > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > sloose%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 35 ************************************** YB RESOURCEFUL CONSULTING TALENTS(YBRCT) - A Resourceful Consulting "tool box" www.YBResourcefulConsultingTalents.com +1(508) 736-4052 A resourceful consulting business - here For your overall enrichment... 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Also, each rehab agency should have info about who to contact with official complaints. State agencies have quality assurance, and there are proper channels to travel through with complaints. If you do this, an official record will showcase that you're not receiving the services you should be. This can push agencies to improve, and get the services you need. The same applies for any disability services office on campuses. Good luck. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 10:44:01 -0700 From: "Tina Thomas" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO Message-ID: <002201cc65aa$12cdbaa0$38692fe0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Peter- Your missing the point here. Joshua is a client of his state DOR and they are not providing him with proper services. Now as to Josh, have you written a letter of justification for the equipment and the transcription services you require? Tina From ignasicambra at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 19:19:24 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 15:19:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20110828130918.01d643b8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <455EB255-0613-4BFC-A673-08D7F88486F7@gmail.com> Hello, Don't forget that you can use Windows Live email from any email client. I'm pretty sure they support POP3 and probably some incarnation of IMAp. Maybe you have to go into your mail preferences through the web interface, but after you activate it it should work. On Aug 28, 2011, at 4:35 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > I believe Outlook would be more accessible than Windows Live mail but > Windows Live mail is what her school uses. We've got both issues > worked out now though. She talked to someone about her skills training > issue and they gave her a few ideas that don't involve getting more > training so that's worked out. She has set her mail up on her Iphone. > She will likely just use Gmail as someone suggested on here to send > messages and replies to her professors. She uses a Mac so I don't > believe Outlook is an option. > > We're both from West Virginia. > > Thanks again everyone for all the suggestions and information. > > Kerri > > On 8/28/11, Carly wrote: >> >> Good morning, Keri, >> >> You could present the scenario to friend X. of just saying the >> circumstances but refering to him/her as something like friend XXX? I >> mean does she want ansers, or not? Doesn't ss=eem to me that people >> can identify her based on a situational or circumstantial, account, >> right? At 07:50 AM 8/27/2011, you wrote: >>> Hi David and All: >>> >>> Because these lists are archived, searchable, and open to anyone who >>> wants to read them, my friend does not want to really put what any of >>> the issues were or which center it was on the list. I'm sorry, I'm >>> just going by what she has asked me to put here. >>> >>> She basically just wants to know if she were to feel more training is >>> necessary since she has already attended an NFB training center could >>> she attend another one or a similar training center? >>> >>> Also she says windows live mail is flash based and Jaws keeps just >>> reading the top of the screen. If anyone knows anything about windows >>> live mail or how to make it work with Jaws feel free to write either >>> on or off list and let me know. >>> >>> I'm sorry I can't put more info about the situation. >>> Kerri >>> >>> On 8/26/11, David Dodge wrote: >>>> Kerri, >>>> I cannot really speak to the Windows Live issue because I am not a >>>> technology person by any stretch of the imagination. >>>> >>>> What specific problems, if you don't mind my asking, is your friend >>>> having >>>> at college? The reason I ask is because it will give a better >>>> understanding >>>> as to whether the issues are, forgive me, "typical" of college or if the >>>> lack of training really is the key issue. >>>> >>>> If she does decide it is the lack of training that is the issue then it >>>> would make sense to me for her to go back to a center if there is no >>>> other >>>> way she can get the training, experience, she needs. She needs to weigh >>>> the >>>> pros and cons for herself (with your guidance perhaps) about what would >>>> be >>>> best. Unless she goes in the summer, I assume she would be taking off >>>> time >>>> from college to do this and that can cause other obstacles as well. >>>> >>>> I feel like I've asked more questions than provided helpful insight, but >>>> I >>>> hope this at least starts some thinking. >>>> >>>> David >>>> ---------------------------------- >>>> David Dodge >>>> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>>> State University of New York Student Assembly >>>> English Major >>>> University at Buffalo >>>> 306 Clemens Hall >>>> Buffalo, NY 14260 >>>> daviddod at buffalo.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Kerri Kosten >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi All: >>>>> >>>>> I have a friend who is not on this list who is really struggling with >>>>> a few issues. Since she is not on this list she has asked me to post >>>>> some questions for her. >>>>> >>>>> Her school uses Windows Live for their email. She says this is flash >>>>> based and she can't seem to get it to work with Jaws. Does anyone know >>>>> or have any ideas of how to get windows live email to work with Jaws >>>>> or is it totally inaccessible? >>>>> >>>>> Next, my friend attended an NFB center (it was not LCB.) They were >>>>> changing some staff members around and because of this among other >>>>> things she was not taught some skills. Because of this she is having a >>>>> hard time with college and is very frustrated. Would it be possible >>>>> for her to go back to training and attend one of the other two NFB >>>>> training centers or one that is similar? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks so much! >>>>> Kerri >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Mon Aug 29 19:59:09 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:59:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news from my DSO and new question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: David, I completely agree with your statement. It would be nice to move on from this thread especially since it seems as though Joshua and Peter have amicably resolved this situation, and it looks like Joshua has good avenues to pursue in efforts to get his necessary school material. So, that being said, question to anyone using and/or studying UNIX have a friend taking a computer science class, and they have to access UNIX through a terminal service windows. They're connecting to UNIX from their PC, and they are a JAWS user. The question is two-fold: Does, or has, anyone used a screenreading software specific to UNIX (I can't remember the name) and if so, how helpful is it? And if a person is using JAWS and a Braille display, is it still worth spending money to have the software specific to UNIX? Thus far, they are using JAWS (they have to use the JAWS cursor) in combination with a Braille display to use UNIX. They are curious about how much more helpful a specific screenreader would be. Obviously they don't want to spend money that's not necessary if their current way of accessing the program works, but they also want to be as successful and proficient with it as possible. Thanks. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ Message: 27 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:41:36 -0400 From: David Dodge To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We are free to say whatever we'd like and thank goodness for that. I just sometimes think we should think about what we say a little more often. No one has to agree with me. David From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Aug 29 20:47:18 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 15:47:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a friend, that's trying to contact the National Braille Press, for something else, and she's having problems with their Website. She fills out the form, and hits submit. When she hits submit, it says, "page not found." Can you help her? Thanks, Joshua On 8/29/11, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote: > Good suggestion about an official request letter. Also, each rehab > agency should have info about who to contact with official complaints. > State agencies have quality assurance, and there are proper channels to > travel through with complaints. If you do this, an official record will > showcase that you're not receiving the services you should be. This can > push agencies to improve, and get the services you need. The same > applies for any disability services office on campuses. Good luck. > > Sincerely, > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > Read my blog for Live Well Nebraska.com at > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 10:44:01 -0700 > From: "Tina Thomas" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > Message-ID: <002201cc65aa$12cdbaa0$38692fe0$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Peter- Your missing the point here. Joshua is a client of his state DOR > and they are not providing him with proper services. > Now as to Josh, have you written a letter of justification for the > equipment and the transcription services you require? > Tina > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 21:29:12 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 17:29:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20110828130918.01d643b8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Keri, I don't believe Windows Live Mail is an option either for her. But I'm glad she got it resolved! Chris On 8/28/11, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > I believe Outlook would be more accessible than Windows Live mail but > Windows Live mail is what her school uses. We've got both issues > worked out now though. She talked to someone about her skills training > issue and they gave her a few ideas that don't involve getting more > training so that's worked out. She has set her mail up on her Iphone. > She will likely just use Gmail as someone suggested on here to send > messages and replies to her professors. She uses a Mac so I don't > believe Outlook is an option. > > We're both from West Virginia. > > Thanks again everyone for all the suggestions and information. > > Kerri > > On 8/28/11, Carly wrote: >> >> Good morning, Keri, >> >> You could present the scenario to friend X. of just saying the >> circumstances but refering to him/her as something like friend XXX? I >> mean does she want ansers, or not? Doesn't ss=eem to me that people >> can identify her based on a situational or circumstantial, account, >> right? At 07:50 AM 8/27/2011, you wrote: >>>Hi David and All: >>> >>>Because these lists are archived, searchable, and open to anyone who >>>wants to read them, my friend does not want to really put what any of >>>the issues were or which center it was on the list. I'm sorry, I'm >>>just going by what she has asked me to put here. >>> >>>She basically just wants to know if she were to feel more training is >>>necessary since she has already attended an NFB training center could >>>she attend another one or a similar training center? >>> >>>Also she says windows live mail is flash based and Jaws keeps just >>>reading the top of the screen. If anyone knows anything about windows >>>live mail or how to make it work with Jaws feel free to write either >>>on or off list and let me know. >>> >>>I'm sorry I can't put more info about the situation. >>>Kerri >>> >>>On 8/26/11, David Dodge wrote: >>> > Kerri, >>> > I cannot really speak to the Windows Live issue because I am not a >>> > technology person by any stretch of the imagination. >>> > >>> > What specific problems, if you don't mind my asking, is your friend >>> > having >>> > at college? The reason I ask is because it will give a better >>> > understanding >>> > as to whether the issues are, forgive me, "typical" of college or if >>> > the >>> > lack of training really is the key issue. >>> > >>> > If she does decide it is the lack of training that is the issue then it >>> > would make sense to me for her to go back to a center if there is no >>> > other >>> > way she can get the training, experience, she needs. She needs to weigh >>> > the >>> > pros and cons for herself (with your guidance perhaps) about what would >>> > be >>> > best. Unless she goes in the summer, I assume she would be taking off >>> > time >>> > from college to do this and that can cause other obstacles as well. >>> > >>> > I feel like I've asked more questions than provided helpful insight, >>> > but >>> > I >>> > hope this at least starts some thinking. >>> > >>> > David >>> > ---------------------------------- >>> > David Dodge >>> > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep. >>> > State University of New York Student Assembly >>> > English Major >>> > University at Buffalo >>> > 306 Clemens Hall >>> > Buffalo, NY 14260 >>> > daviddod at buffalo.edu >>> > >>> > >>> > On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Kerri Kosten >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> >> Hi All: >>> >> >>> >> I have a friend who is not on this list who is really struggling with >>> >> a few issues. Since she is not on this list she has asked me to post >>> >> some questions for her. >>> >> >>> >> Her school uses Windows Live for their email. She says this is flash >>> >> based and she can't seem to get it to work with Jaws. Does anyone know >>> >> or have any ideas of how to get windows live email to work with Jaws >>> >> or is it totally inaccessible? >>> >> >>> >> Next, my friend attended an NFB center (it was not LCB.) They were >>> >> changing some staff members around and because of this among other >>> >> things she was not taught some skills. Because of this she is having a >>> >> hard time with college and is very frustrated. Would it be possible >>> >> for her to go back to training and attend one of the other two NFB >>> >> training centers or one that is similar? >>> >> >>> >> Thanks so much! >>> >> Kerri >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >> nabs-l: >>> >> >>> >> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/daviddod%40buffalo.edu >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >>> > >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 21:33:55 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (chris nusbaum) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 17:33:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook, or Live Mail- nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 35 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I've heard that Live Mail is flash-based, which makes it hard with JAWS. I'll try it, though. Chris On 8/29/11, Front Desk of the YB RESOURCEFUL Consulting Talents(YBRCT)-A Resourceful Consulting ToolBox www.YBResourceful.com wrote: > Hi, first: full version of Outlook cost money, Live mail doesn't; second, I > use Live mail, it's just find as Outlook on accessibility-I'm Jaws user. Can > you explain the accessibility advantage of Outlook that you/the person is > hinting? > My company the YBRCT, offers Q&A training sessions on the email clients-on > the Customized Backup Support page at: > www.YBResourcefulConsultingTalents.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 1:00 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 35 > > Send nabs-l mailing list submissions to > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of nabs-l digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: huricane Irene (chris nusbaum) > 2. Re: Some Questions For A Friend (chris nusbaum) > 3. Re: Sad news, from my DSO (Peter Donahue) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 12:14:51 -0400 > From: chris nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] huricane Irene > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi Nathan, > > We still have power here, thankfully! I also hope that this storm gets > out of here as soon as possible, and life returns to normal... as > normal as it can get. Now WJZ (our local CBS station in Baltimore) is > saying there's another storm out in the tropics, and we have 3 more > months to go until the end of the hurricane season. By the way, I got > an email from Melissa (after I decided not to go to the MDABS > seminar... or more accurately, Mom decided for me) that they finally > canceled the seminar and will try to schedule a rain date in > September. Wow! That was... a little too late! But... we can talk > about that off list, since the rest of the list probably doesn't know > what I'm talking about. If you want to give me a call today, I'm home. > I'm glad your family is OK and you still have power. Mom just left to > check on the store, so I hope it's good, too! Talk to you soon! > > Chris > > P.S. For the rest of the list, I was referring to some personal stuff > in that email, that Nathan would know about because we're friends, but > you don't have to worry about it if you don't know what I'm talking > about in that email. > > On 8/28/11, Nathan Clark wrote: >> Dear Chris, >> How are you and your family doing with the storm, it is a big one? >> Also, are you in the dark or are you like me and my family who still >> have power? I hope this storm gets out of here as soon as possible. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Nathan >> >> On 8/27/11, chris nusbaum wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I would just like to encourage everyone to stay safe if you're in the >>> huge path of Hurricane Irene. It seems like a pretty big one, so >>> please be carefull and heed the authorities' warnings and evacuate if >>> you need to. I'm here in northern Maryland and we're preparing for the >>> storm to hit. I was planning on going to the MDABS (Maryland >>> Association of Blind Students) annual seminar today at the national >>> center in Baltimore today, but unfortunately had to miss it because my >>> mom was worried about getting home tonight. So, while I'm disappointed >>> (very much so,) I hope nobody gets hurt who ends up going. So, once >>> again, please be safe and use common sense in this storm! That's all I >>> have to say. I hope everybody has a safe weekend if they're in the >>> path of the huricane! >>> >>> Chris >>> -- >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If >>> a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can >>> be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan >>> >>> Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for >>> information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually >>> impaired children in MD say "I can!" >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 12:32:59 -0400 > From: chris nusbaum > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi everyone, > > It sounds to me like Outlook is a lot more accessible than Live Mail. > Which is more accessible? > > Chris > > On 8/27/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >> Hello, >> Where does that friend live? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Kerri Kosten >> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 4:32 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend >> >> Hi Everyone: >> >> Thanks so much for all the helpful responses both on and fof list. >> >> My friend talked to someone and they gave her some ideas on how to >> solve her issues. She thinks these ideas will work and so she will not >> need to go for more training. >> >> I told her about the suggestions for using Windows live mail. I >> believe she can make it work and have it put into her accomodations to >> send and reply to her emails to her professors though Gmail. >> >> Again, thanks so much for all the help and information. >> >> Kerri >> >> On 8/27/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net wrote: >>> Kerri, >>> Sorry to hear your friend is frustrated. I'm glad she asked your advice >>> rather than slipping through the crack and possibly failing school. >>> However, without knowing what skills she lacks, its hard to suggest a >>> course of action. >>> I agree with Bridgit. Assess the situation. What blindness skills are >> they >>> and how long would it take to learn them? >>> Are the skills actually blindness related: travel, computer, and >>> braille? >>> Perhaps they stem from other issues more academic or coping with a new >>> environment. Maybe its time management. Maybe its lack of getting >> accessible >>> handouts or accomodations with a professor; in that case, that is more >>> of >>> an advocacy skill. If books are the issue, remember to telll her about >>> bookshare, learning ally, and of course the idea of hiring your own >> readers. >>> >>> As to your question: can she attend >>> another training center for more skills? That really depends. As Bridgit >>> said, since she attended a program already, they may be reluctant to >>> shoulder the cost again. Did she actually graduate the center? How long >> was >>> she there? >>> She may want to think of staying in state rather than fight a battle for >>> a >>> whole program. If its just a few classes she needs, why fight the battle >> to >>> attend a program when she really needs just a few areas? >>> She needs to consider what she wants to do and if she wants to expend >> energy >>> justifying going out of state for training. >>> >>> Some other ideas are: >>> 1. Have a field rehab teacher or other teacher come to her home and teach >>> that skill. In my state they provide this, but not frequently is the >> issue. >>> O&M is taught in your community and any daily living task like labeling, >>> braille, housekeeping, etc is taught by a rehab teacher. At least where I >> am >>> they will send a technology tutor to you to teach any computer or >> notetaker >>> skills. >>> 2. Seek out other blindness nonprofits for teaching. For instance, the >>> braille institute in CA; a lighthouse for the blind; in NC there is >>> something called the Metrolina association for the blind. If I knew the >>> state, I may be able to suggest other organizations to help. >>> 3. Seek out other individuals who are blind to help. Maybe from the NFB >>> chapter. Is she a member of her student division? If they are active, >>> getting a friend from that group may help. They can chat on the phone >> about >>> any computer questions and some daily living tasks. >>> 4. If the skills needed are related to braille and academics, hadley >> school >>> for the blind, a distance education program, has basic academic classes >> and >>> braille. They have basic english skills like learning how to spell and >>> punctuate sentences, to the advanced english classes of literature that >> you >>> would find in a freshman college class. They do the same for math. There >> is >>> also diagnostic tests if you do not know what class you would fit in. >>> Go to www.hadley.edu to see their offerings; also they have webinars on a >>> variety of topics from accessible technology to daily living. >>> 5. A source for some technology training, if you pay for it, is Carroll >>> center for the blind's Carrol Tech online classes. All there classes are >> for >>> windows systems and I think geared to the 2007 office applications. But >>> check the website and call them with any questions before signing up. The >>> site is www.carrolltech.org. >>> I have not taken a hadley class or done carroll tech, but plan to do both >>> and see how it goes. Hadley has some english classes I'd like to take. I >>> already have my degree, but I just want to keep up my reading and >> analytical >>> skills. >>> >>> Don't forget about school resources for help with academics or related >>> skills like time management or study skills. The school probably has a >>> writing center, tutoring center, academic advisors and professors always >>> have office hours. >>> >>> HTH, >>> Ashley >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Kerri Kosten >>> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 8:21 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Some Questions For A Friend >>> >>> Hi All: >>> >>> I have a friend who is not on this list who is really struggling with >>> a few issues. Since she is not on this list she has asked me to post >>> some questions for her. >>> >>> Her school uses Windows Live for their email. She says this is flash >>> based and she can't seem to get it to work with Jaws. Does anyone know >>> or have any ideas of how to get windows live email to work with Jaws >>> or is it totally inaccessible? >>> >>> Next, my friend attended an NFB center (it was not LCB.) They were >>> changing some staff members around and because of this among other >>> things she was not taught some skills. Because of this she is having a >>> hard time with college and is very frustrated. Would it be possible >>> for her to go back to training and attend one of the other two NFB >>> training centers or one that is similar? >>> >>> Thanks so much! >>> Kerri >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl >> ink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.c >> om >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 11:50:09 -0500 > From: "Peter Donahue" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > Message-ID: <001901cc65a2$8c398930$9e010b43 at yourfsyly0jtwn> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello Chris and everyone, > > And a 30% rate of employment among the blind. More to the point his guy > bit off more than he could chew. He should have investigated all of these > concerns prior to enrolling in school for this semester. Now he must deal > with the consequences of such a decision. He is not alone in this respect. > I've seen it happen numerous times. Blind people enroll in school that have > not received good blindness training and lacking the skills and equipment > needed to study independently and succeed in college. This is well > documented by our organization. Hence it's not just Peter Donahue blowing > off hot air. 70% or not if you want it bad enough you'll find a way to raise > the needed funds to persue your dreams. Peter Donahue > > Peter Donahue > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chris nusbaum" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 10:46 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > > Hi Peter and everyone, > > That's one thing I agree with you on. That's the NFB right there: "If > the going gets tough, the tough get going, and win in the end!" I've > heard Dr. Maurer say this a lot. Now, as to the rest of your comments, > you can't jump to conclusions and criticize people without knowing all > the facts. This was the same problem we had when we were discussing > national convention and its online streaming. Remember that there is a > 70 percent unemployment rate among blind people. So, "raising the > funds yourself" is, more often than not, much easier said than done. > This, unfortunately, will stay a proven fact until we get totally > integrated into society, and we have a long way to go in that area. I > am not trying to be a downer, in fact, I'm very optomistic about the > work of the Federation. I'm trying to be a realist, and this, I > believe, is the unfortunate reality. Therefore, I don't think you can > fairly criticize other list members when they ask for advice to > resolve their problems with getting the needed accomodations in > school, when none of us; you, me, anyone, know every little fact about > the person's situation and the person in general. So, I propose to all > of you that we work to just give some constructive advice when a > lister posts a question about a problem they're having. If one of us > feels that they could do something differently, we could just suggest > it encouragingly: "Have you tried doing this? Maybe you could try this > instead of that." Hope this makes sense! > > Chris > > P.S. Joshua, while I understand your frustrations, I don't think Peter > should be banned from the list altogether because of his recent > comments. Of course, that's up to Mr. Andrews, but I think we should > encourage freedom of speech on our lists. I think people should only > be banned from the list if they are spamming it (Alexander Kaiser, for > example,) or posting inappropriate content to it, i.e. sexual material > or a lot of cursing. > > On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> Good evening Josh and everyone, >> >> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a >> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the funds >> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this >> before >> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. The >> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win in >> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Beth" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >> >> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >> offer. >> Beth >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >> Braille >> Press, about my Math textbook. >> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >> Braille. >> Where else can we go? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >> sloose%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > End of nabs-l Digest, Vol 58, Issue 35 > ************************************** > > YB RESOURCEFUL CONSULTING TALENTS(YBRCT) - A Resourceful Consulting "tool > box" > www.YBResourcefulConsultingTalents.com +1(508) 736-4052 > A resourceful consulting business - here For your overall enrichment... > Private customized Piano and Hand-drum lessons; and live parties/gatherings > and fictional animals sounds entertainment; > Customized Public Speaking, Presentation, Demonstrations and Pannalist; > Creative Projects Support-researching, Small business entrepreneurship > coaching, subdomain hosting, and more; > Private Customized French learning, and Small Documents Translation; > Visually impaired people Backup Support for families and schools, and > individuals; learning Braille,; > Unique products line-hand-made artworks, and music CDs; > Weekly free tips and much more at: > www.YBResourcefulConsultingTalents.com +1(508) 736-4052 > YB RESOURCEFUL CONSULTING TALENTS > Admirals Hill Office Suites > 285 Commandants Way Chelsea MA 02150 > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From nbrav003 at fiu.edu Tue Aug 30 02:38:47 2011 From: nbrav003 at fiu.edu (Nallym Bravo) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 22:38:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Florida Association of Blind Students Meeting Message-ID: Good evening, The Florida Association of Blind Students would like to invite you to participate in our September conference call which will take place on Sunday, September 4, at 4:00 Pm. The information is below: Conference Dial-in Number: (209) 647-1000 Participant Access Code: 401665# FABS has a lot of exciting things going on right now, so come out if you want to get involved, find out more, or simply connect with fellow students. Hope to see you there, and have a great week! Sincerely, Nallym Bravo From ntorcolini at wavecable.com Tue Aug 30 04:50:54 2011 From: ntorcolini at wavecable.com (Nicole B. Torcolini at Home) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:50:54 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] FCC Releases Video Description Rules Message-ID: <90006FB329524E42957177098FD64FF6@stanford.edu> I know that this is a little late, but just incase people did not hear from another source... On August 25, 2011, the Commission released a Report and Order to adopt rules requiring video description for certain television programming. Video description is narrated descriptions of a television program’s key visual elements inserted into natural pauses in the program’s dialogue. Video descriptions improve access to television programs for millions of Americans who are blind or visually impaired. The Commission adopted rules requiring video description in 2000, but those rules were struck down by a federal court in 2002. In 2010, Congress enacted the Twenty-First Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act (CVAA), which required reinstatement of those video description rules, with certain modifications. These video description rules require ABC, CBS, Fox, and NBC affiliates in the top 25 market areas and cable and satellite television providers with more than 50,000 subscribers to provide video description. ABC, CBS, Fox, NBC, USA, the Disney Channel, TNT, Nickelodeon, and TBS are each required to provide 50 hours of video-described prime time or children’s programming per calendar quarter. Full compliance with the rules is required on July 1, 2012. Report and Order: http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A1.doc http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A1.pdf http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A1.txt Copps Statement: http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A2.doc http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A2.pdf http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A2.txt Clyburn Statement: http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A3.doc http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A3.pdf http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A3.txt From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Aug 30 05:11:50 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:11:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] FCC Releases Video Description Rules In-Reply-To: <90006FB329524E42957177098FD64FF6@stanford.edu> References: <90006FB329524E42957177098FD64FF6@stanford.edu> Message-ID: Awesome! Hopefully, the Christian television channels will do the same, with their movies. I know, that Daystar, TBN, and VTN, (a local Christian channel in Arkansas,) show Christian movies, on the weekends. I hope this will apply to them, later on. Blessings, Joshua On 8/29/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > I know that this is a little late, but just incase people did not hear from > another source... > > > > On August 25, 2011, the Commission released a Report and Order to adopt > rules requiring video description for certain television programming. Video > description is narrated descriptions of a television program’s key visual > elements inserted into natural pauses in the program’s dialogue. Video > descriptions improve access to television programs for millions of Americans > who are blind or visually impaired. > > The Commission adopted rules requiring video description in 2000, but those > rules were struck down by a federal court in 2002. In 2010, Congress > enacted the Twenty-First Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act > (CVAA), which required reinstatement of those video description rules, with > certain modifications. > > These video description rules require ABC, CBS, Fox, and NBC affiliates in > the top 25 market areas and cable and satellite television providers with > more than 50,000 subscribers to provide video description. ABC, CBS, Fox, > NBC, USA, the Disney Channel, TNT, Nickelodeon, and TBS are each required to > provide 50 hours of video-described prime time or children’s programming per > calendar quarter. Full compliance with the rules is required on July 1, > 2012. > > Report and Order: > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A1.doc > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A1.pdf > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A1.txt > > > Copps Statement: > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A2.doc > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A2.pdf > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A2.txt > > > Clyburn Statement: > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A3.doc > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A3.pdf > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A3.txt > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dandrews at visi.com Tue Aug 30 09:21:19 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 04:21:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Go to aph.org and use their Louis service to look it up and see if somebody else has brailled it. APH also puts some books in Braille, but mainly K-12. Dave At 06:17 PM 8/27/2011, you wrote: >Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National Braille >Press, about my Math textbook. >They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in Braille. >Where else can we go? >Thanks, Joshua From dandrews at visi.com Tue Aug 30 09:24:28 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 04:24:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Joshua You can always appeal any decision your services for the blind makes. You will have to justify it -- give good reasons, but don't just roll over. Dave At 08:29 PM 8/27/2011, you wrote: >Nimer, I've had issues with DSB, in the past, and they haven't been >willing to help. >I need a note taker, that they won't provide, and some textbooks. >I've talked about DSB, in other threads. >I'll try to contact them, as well. >BTW, I'm a Pac Mate user. >Thanks for defending me, but please cut out the cursing. >Thanks, Joshua > >On 8/27/11, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: > > Peter, > > > > I am really tired of your comments to this list. Who gives a damn > > about what he did or didn't do in the past. The past is done, we're > > talking about today. He wrote to this list asking how he can solve a > > problem, and that is pretty damn proactive if you ask me. Joshua, nice > > job on that. And all you can come up with is you'll have to raise the > > funds yourself and why didn't you do this before crap? How about > > answering the man's questions for a change? > > > > Joshua, your VR counselor is the same as DSB in Arkansas. That is what > > they do. They ought to have some resources for you. Peter is right > > that you will have to look into getting a reader for now, but Perkins > > and a few other resources as has been mentioned will do braille > > transcription, and it is possible that Arkansas has their own services > > that they offer, but I'm not too sure about this. Talk to your > > counselor down there and see what they say. If you don't get anywhere, > > please contact me off list and I will see what I can do as I have a > > couple of contacts down there in Arkansas and within a couple of other > > organizations that may be able to assist you. > > > > Sincerely > > > > Nimer J > > > > On 27.08.2011, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> I did the research, and went with what I found, at first. > >> I have received more information, and will go with what I've received. > >> Blessings, Joshua > >> > >> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > >>> Good evening Josh and everyone, > >>> > >>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a > >>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the funds > >>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this > >>> before > >>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. > >>> The > >>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win > >>> in > >>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. > >>> > >>> Peter Donahue > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Beth" > >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >>> > >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > >>> > >>> > >>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille > >>> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can > >>> offer. > >>> Beth > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > >>> > >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > >>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National > >>> Braille > >>> Press, about my Math textbook. > >>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in > >>> Braille. > >>> Where else can we go? > >>> Thanks, Joshua > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>> for nabs-l: > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > >>> sloose%40gmail.com > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > >> > > > > > > -- > > Nimer M. Jaber From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Aug 30 09:25:58 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 04:25:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The DSO, already did, and they didn't come up on anything. That's why I'm having them look at www.nationalbraille.org. Blessings, Joshua On 8/30/11, David Andrews wrote: > Go to aph.org and use their Louis service to look it up and see if > somebody else has brailled it. APH also puts some books in Braille, > but mainly K-12. > > Dave > > At 06:17 PM 8/27/2011, you wrote: >>Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National Braille >>Press, about my Math textbook. >>They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in Braille. >>Where else can we go? >>Thanks, Joshua > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dandrews at visi.com Tue Aug 30 09:30:04 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 04:30:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: <000901cc657d$21d53500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <8E854698B83540DC92BA3A6BF9BA74B1@OwnerPC> <000901cc657d$21d53500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Actually, Peter, I do not think you are correct. Because of Section 504 of the Rehab Act, and the ADA, the primary responsibility for providing access to materials at the college level lies with the college, not the Rehab agency. Dave At 07:22 AM 8/28/2011, you wrote: >Good morning everyone, > >It's not their responsibility. He needs to purchess it himself or sign up >for VR services so his state agency can buy it for him. I'm afraid he's put >the cart before the horse in alot of ways before starting school. One would >never dream of becoming a carpenter without first acquiring tools to work >with and seeking certifications to help him/her begin a successful >career. ----- > >Peter Donahue >Original Message ----- >From: >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:31 PM >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > > >Joshua, >I find it appalling your DSB will not purchase a notetaker. You need that to >be successful in college, especially if you read contracted braille. >Why haven't you fought it? The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Have your NFB >state president write a letter; go up the chain of command if you can't get >it resolved at a low level. I have a braille note and don't see how I'd live >without it. Its just such a quick and portable way to take and read notes; >plus I have my calendar and phone list there too. I have major things in >hard copy braille as well in case I cannot read the braille note. But its >such a helpful tool in the tool box. >Now as to your braille book you need, if classes start next week, I'm afraid >you will not have the book. College texts are rarely brailled; you will need >this transcribed. The time and expense >to transcribe a book is a lot. You might be better off taking the class next >semester when accomodations are in place. >The National braille association is a nonprofit in NY; I >think they transcribe books. Basically they are a group of transcribers and >tran transcribers. >Their mission states > > >WHAT WE DO > >Our mission is: > >To provide continuing education to those who prepare braille, and to provide >braille materials to persons who are visually impaired. > >The site is www.nationalbraille.org. If they cannot help, they will know who >can. > >Ashley >-----Original Message----- >From: Joshua Lester >Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 9:29 PM >To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing >list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > >Nimer, I've had issues with DSB, in the past, and they haven't been >willing to help. >I need a note taker, that they won't provide, and some textbooks. >I've talked about DSB, in other threads. >I'll try to contact them, as well. >BTW, I'm a Pac Mate user. >Thanks for defending me, but please cut out the cursing. >Thanks, Joshua > >On 8/27/11, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: > > Peter, > > > > I am really tired of your comments to this list. Who gives a damn > > about what he did or didn't do in the past. The past is done, we're > > talking about today. He wrote to this list asking how he can solve a > > problem, and that is pretty damn proactive if you ask me. Joshua, nice > > job on that. And all you can come up with is you'll have to raise the > > funds yourself and why didn't you do this before crap? How about > > answering the man's questions for a change? > > > > Joshua, your VR counselor is the same as DSB in Arkansas. That is what > > they do. They ought to have some resources for you. Peter is right > > that you will have to look into getting a reader for now, but Perkins > > and a few other resources as has been mentioned will do braille > > transcription, and it is possible that Arkansas has their own services > > that they offer, but I'm not too sure about this. Talk to your > > counselor down there and see what they say. If you don't get anywhere, > > please contact me off list and I will see what I can do as I have a > > couple of contacts down there in Arkansas and within a couple of other > > organizations that may be able to assist you. > > > > Sincerely > > > > Nimer J > > > > On 27.08.2011, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> I did the research, and went with what I found, at first. > >> I have received more information, and will go with what I've received. > >> Blessings, Joshua > >> > >> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > >>> Good evening Josh and everyone, > >>> > >>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a > >>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the > >>> funds > >>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this > >>> before > >>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. > >>> The > >>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and win > >>> in > >>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your situation. > >>> > >>> Peter Donahue > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Beth" > >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >>> > >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > >>> > >>> > >>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille > >>> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can > >>> offer. > >>> Beth > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO > >>> > >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > >>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National > >>> Braille > >>> Press, about my Math textbook. > >>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in > >>> Braille. > >>> Where else can we go? > >>> Thanks, Joshua > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>> for nabs-l: > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi > >>> sloose%40gmail.com > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > >> > > > > > > -- > > Nimer M. Jaber From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Aug 30 09:31:58 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 04:31:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: I'm going to wait, until the state convention, in October. I have a question for those students on here, from Arkansas. Do any of you have a Braille Note Apex? Noone ever showed it to me, so would someone from Arkansas be willing to demonstrate it, for me at state convention? I'm a Pac Mate user, but am interested in the Apex. Thanks, Joshua On 8/30/11, David Andrews wrote: > Joshua You can always appeal any decision your > services for the blind makes. You will have to > justify it -- give good reasons, but don't just roll over. > > Dave > > At 08:29 PM 8/27/2011, you wrote: >>Nimer, I've had issues with DSB, in the past, and they haven't been >>willing to help. >>I need a note taker, that they won't provide, and some textbooks. >>I've talked about DSB, in other threads. >>I'll try to contact them, as well. >>BTW, I'm a Pac Mate user. >>Thanks for defending me, but please cut out the cursing. >>Thanks, Joshua >> >>On 8/27/11, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: >> > Peter, >> > >> > I am really tired of your comments to this list. Who gives a damn >> > about what he did or didn't do in the past. The past is done, we're >> > talking about today. He wrote to this list asking how he can solve a >> > problem, and that is pretty damn proactive if you ask me. Joshua, nice >> > job on that. And all you can come up with is you'll have to raise the >> > funds yourself and why didn't you do this before crap? How about >> > answering the man's questions for a change? >> > >> > Joshua, your VR counselor is the same as DSB in Arkansas. That is what >> > they do. They ought to have some resources for you. Peter is right >> > that you will have to look into getting a reader for now, but Perkins >> > and a few other resources as has been mentioned will do braille >> > transcription, and it is possible that Arkansas has their own services >> > that they offer, but I'm not too sure about this. Talk to your >> > counselor down there and see what they say. If you don't get anywhere, >> > please contact me off list and I will see what I can do as I have a >> > couple of contacts down there in Arkansas and within a couple of other >> > organizations that may be able to assist you. >> > >> > Sincerely >> > >> > Nimer J >> > >> > On 27.08.2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >> I did the research, and went with what I found, at first. >> >> I have received more information, and will go with what I've received. >> >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> >> >> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> >>> Good evening Josh and everyone, >> >>> >> >>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a >> >>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the >> >>> funds >> >>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this >> >>> before >> >>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. >> >>> The >> >>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and >> >>> win >> >>> in >> >>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your >> >>> situation. >> >>> >> >>> Peter Donahue >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "Beth" >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >>> >> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >> >>> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >> >>> offer. >> >>> Beth >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: Joshua Lester > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>> > >>> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >>> >> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> >>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >> >>> Braille >> >>> Press, about my Math textbook. >> >>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >> >>> Braille. >> >>> Where else can we go? >> >>> Thanks, Joshua >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>> for nabs-l: >> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >> >>> sloose%40gmail.com >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Nimer M. Jaber > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Aug 30 09:38:15 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 04:38:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO In-Reply-To: References: <4e59872d.14e58e0a.5faf.5118@mx.google.com> <000501cc651c$619b5040$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <8E854698B83540DC92BA3A6BF9BA74B1@OwnerPC> <000901cc657d$21d53500$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Peter, and I have resolved this issue. Let's end this thread. Thanks, Joshua On 8/30/11, David Andrews wrote: > Actually, Peter, I do not think you are > correct. Because of Section 504 of the Rehab > Act, and the ADA, the primary responsibility for > providing access to materials at the college > level lies with the college, not the Rehab agency. > > Dave > > > At 07:22 AM 8/28/2011, you wrote: >>Good morning everyone, >> >>It's not their responsibility. He needs to purchess it himself or sign up >>for VR services so his state agency can buy it for him. I'm afraid he's put >>the cart before the horse in alot of ways before starting school. One would >>never dream of becoming a carpenter without first acquiring tools to work >>with and seeking certifications to help him/her begin a successful >>career. ----- >> >>Peter Donahue >>Original Message ----- >>From: >>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >>Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:31 PM >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >> >>Joshua, >>I find it appalling your DSB will not purchase a notetaker. You need that >> to >>be successful in college, especially if you read contracted braille. >>Why haven't you fought it? The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Have your NFB >>state president write a letter; go up the chain of command if you can't get >>it resolved at a low level. I have a braille note and don't see how I'd >> live >>without it. Its just such a quick and portable way to take and read notes; >>plus I have my calendar and phone list there too. I have major things in >>hard copy braille as well in case I cannot read the braille note. But its >>such a helpful tool in the tool box. >>Now as to your braille book you need, if classes start next week, I'm >> afraid >>you will not have the book. College texts are rarely brailled; you will >> need >>this transcribed. The time and expense >>to transcribe a book is a lot. You might be better off taking the class >> next >>semester when accomodations are in place. >>The National braille association is a nonprofit in NY; I >>think they transcribe books. Basically they are a group of transcribers and >>tran transcribers. >>Their mission states >> >> >>WHAT WE DO >> >>Our mission is: >> >>To provide continuing education to those who prepare braille, and to >> provide >>braille materials to persons who are visually impaired. >> >>The site is www.nationalbraille.org. If they cannot help, they will know >> who >>can. >> >>Ashley >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Joshua Lester >>Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 9:29 PM >>To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing >>list >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >>Nimer, I've had issues with DSB, in the past, and they haven't been >>willing to help. >>I need a note taker, that they won't provide, and some textbooks. >>I've talked about DSB, in other threads. >>I'll try to contact them, as well. >>BTW, I'm a Pac Mate user. >>Thanks for defending me, but please cut out the cursing. >>Thanks, Joshua >> >>On 8/27/11, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: >> > Peter, >> > >> > I am really tired of your comments to this list. Who gives a damn >> > about what he did or didn't do in the past. The past is done, we're >> > talking about today. He wrote to this list asking how he can solve a >> > problem, and that is pretty damn proactive if you ask me. Joshua, nice >> > job on that. And all you can come up with is you'll have to raise the >> > funds yourself and why didn't you do this before crap? How about >> > answering the man's questions for a change? >> > >> > Joshua, your VR counselor is the same as DSB in Arkansas. That is what >> > they do. They ought to have some resources for you. Peter is right >> > that you will have to look into getting a reader for now, but Perkins >> > and a few other resources as has been mentioned will do braille >> > transcription, and it is possible that Arkansas has their own services >> > that they offer, but I'm not too sure about this. Talk to your >> > counselor down there and see what they say. If you don't get anywhere, >> > please contact me off list and I will see what I can do as I have a >> > couple of contacts down there in Arkansas and within a couple of other >> > organizations that may be able to assist you. >> > >> > Sincerely >> > >> > Nimer J >> > >> > On 27.08.2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >> I did the research, and went with what I found, at first. >> >> I have received more information, and will go with what I've received. >> >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> >> >> On 8/27/11, Peter Donahue wrote: >> >>> Good evening Josh and everyone, >> >>> >> >>> If you're faced with a "Last resort" situation you'll need to hire a >> >>> transcriber and have the book translated and embossed and raise the >> >>> funds >> >>> for this service yourself. Furthermore why did you not research this >> >>> before >> >>> the semester began! It sounds to me like you have a rough road to hoe. >> >>> The >> >>> good news is that when the going gets tough the tough get going and >> >>> win >> >>> in >> >>> the end. This is what Mary and I would do if we were in your >> >>> situation. >> >>> >> >>> Peter Donahue >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "Beth" >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >>> >> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 7:08 PM >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> I would try APH and the Hadley School for the Blind's Braille >> >>> transcribing services. It may cost a bunch, but that's all I can >> >>> offer. >> >>> Beth >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: Joshua Lester > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>> > >>> Date sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:17:56 -0500 >> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Sad news, from my DSO >> >>> >> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> >>> My DSO lady informed me, that they've contacted the National >> >>> Braille >> >>> Press, about my Math textbook. >> >>> They said, that they don't have any college textbooks, in >> >>> Braille. >> >>> Where else can we go? >> >>> Thanks, Joshua >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>> for nabs-l: >> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesi >> >>> sloose%40gmail.com >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Nimer M. Jaber > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 14:00:41 2011 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 10:00:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] FCC Releases Video Description Rules In-Reply-To: References: <90006FB329524E42957177098FD64FF6@stanford.edu> Message-ID: 50 hours per quarter doesn't seem like much to me... On 8/30/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Awesome! > Hopefully, the Christian television channels will do the same, with > their movies. > I know, that Daystar, TBN, and VTN, (a local Christian channel in > Arkansas,) show Christian movies, on the weekends. > I hope this will apply to them, later on. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 8/29/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> I know that this is a little late, but just incase people did not hear >> from >> another source... >> >> >> >> On August 25, 2011, the Commission released a Report and Order to adopt >> rules requiring video description for certain television programming. >> Video >> description is narrated descriptions of a television program’s key visual >> elements inserted into natural pauses in the program’s dialogue. Video >> descriptions improve access to television programs for millions of >> Americans >> who are blind or visually impaired. >> >> The Commission adopted rules requiring video description in 2000, but >> those >> rules were struck down by a federal court in 2002. In 2010, Congress >> enacted the Twenty-First Century Communications and Video Accessibility >> Act >> (CVAA), which required reinstatement of those video description rules, >> with >> certain modifications. >> >> These video description rules require ABC, CBS, Fox, and NBC affiliates in >> the top 25 market areas and cable and satellite television providers with >> more than 50,000 subscribers to provide video description. ABC, CBS, Fox, >> NBC, USA, the Disney Channel, TNT, Nickelodeon, and TBS are each required >> to >> provide 50 hours of video-described prime time or children’s programming >> per >> calendar quarter. Full compliance with the rules is required on July 1, >> 2012. >> >> Report and Order: >> http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A1.doc >> http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A1.pdf >> http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A1.txt >> >> >> Copps Statement: >> http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A2.doc >> http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A2.pdf >> http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A2.txt >> >> >> Clyburn Statement: >> http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A3.doc >> http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A3.pdf >> http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A3.txt >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Tue Aug 30 15:32:42 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 10:32:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] FCC Releases Video Description Rules References: <90006FB329524E42957177098FD64FF6@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <006b01cc672a$0f2d34d0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Good morning everyone, So where's the requirements that emergency alerts also be voiced? Irene's visit reminds me that much ado is being made about video description but how about accessible emergency alerts displayed on the T.V. screen. We got along without video description for many years. Television programs have always been accessible to everyone including the blind. It's just the method(s) of gaining that access that is different. If Jose changes course and threatens South Texas I want to know about it via all media including accessible alerts broadcast by T.V. stations. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FCC Releases Video Description Rules Awesome! Hopefully, the Christian television channels will do the same, with their movies. I know, that Daystar, TBN, and VTN, (a local Christian channel in Arkansas,) show Christian movies, on the weekends. I hope this will apply to them, later on. Blessings, Joshua On 8/29/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > I know that this is a little late, but just incase people did not hear > from > another source... > > > > On August 25, 2011, the Commission released a Report and Order to adopt > rules requiring video description for certain television programming. > Video > description is narrated descriptions of a television program’s key visual > elements inserted into natural pauses in the program’s dialogue. Video > descriptions improve access to television programs for millions of > Americans > who are blind or visually impaired. > > The Commission adopted rules requiring video description in 2000, but > those > rules were struck down by a federal court in 2002. In 2010, Congress > enacted the Twenty-First Century Communications and Video Accessibility > Act > (CVAA), which required reinstatement of those video description rules, > with > certain modifications. > > These video description rules require ABC, CBS, Fox, and NBC affiliates in > the top 25 market areas and cable and satellite television providers with > more than 50,000 subscribers to provide video description. ABC, CBS, Fox, > NBC, USA, the Disney Channel, TNT, Nickelodeon, and TBS are each required > to > provide 50 hours of video-described prime time or children’s programming > per > calendar quarter. Full compliance with the rules is required on July 1, > 2012. > > Report and Order: > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A1.doc > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A1.pdf > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A1.txt > > > Copps Statement: > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A2.doc > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A2.pdf > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A2.txt > > > Clyburn Statement: > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A3.doc > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A3.pdf > http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2011/db0825/FCC-11-126A3.txt > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Aug 31 06:31:58 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 01:31:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] "Update, on college saga" Message-ID: Hi, it's Joshua Lester. Well, I just mailed my subscription to the Arkansas State Library for the Blind, and Physically Handicapped, yesterday afternoon. I said this, on the other thread, but noone commented, so I'll tell you again. The DSO lady E-mailed me, yesterday. She told me that the National Braille Association called her, and informed her, that they don't transcribe books into Braille, anymore. Blessings, Joshua From dandrews at visi.com Wed Aug 31 08:35:40 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 03:35:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [orion-announce] Orion 18 questions? The Tek Talk podcast has the answers Message-ID: > > >The Tek Talk Orion 18 Podcast Has The Answers > > > > >Did you miss the recent Tek Talk program >dedicated to Orion 18, the Android-based Braille >tablet being developed by LevelStar in partnership with APH? > >On July 25th, Marc Mulcahy­LevelStar Vice >President of Engineering­starred in an exciting >Tek Talk session hosted by Robert Acosta. Marc >discussed Orion 18 and its design philosophy, >and then peeked into a few unique Orion >applications, all featuring the amazing Ivona >Kendra voice. Following the fascinating product >demonstration, Guido Corona­LevelStar’s Director >of Marketing--answered a veritable avalanche of >lively questions posed by Tek Talk’s international audience. > >If you missed the live excitement, and have >questions about Orion, or you would like to >enjoy the informative program again, a podcast >of the original session is conveniently >available for download. We have edited it into a >50 minutes MP3 podcast, for clarity and conciseness. > >Just link to: > >http://www.levelstar.com/images/stories/audio/tt07-25-11Orion.mp3 > >And.... Stay tuned for more Orion breaking news! > >Guido D. Corona >Director of Marketing >Levelstar LLC. >685 South Arthur Ave. Unit 1A >Louisville, Colorado >80027 > >Toll free: (800) 315-2305, x.706 >Email: guido at levelstar.com > > > > >Footer > > > > >Not yet registered for the Orion 18 draw? No >problem... For one chance to win an Orion 18 >Braille tablet, E-mail Orion at >orion at levelstar.com. Include your name, address, >and phone number, or call LevelStar toll-free at: (800) 315-2305, extension 1. > >Join the LevelStar Orion discussion list: send a blank email to >Orion-discuss-request at freelists.org?subject=subscribe From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 20:21:05 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 16:21:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] is Active Inspire accessible? Message-ID: <4e5e97bb.2a4a340a.2080.ffffa970@mx.google.com> Hi everyone, I've just started 8th grade! My science teacher is using a program called Active Inspire, which is part of the Permethian software. This is where she creates her flip charts that contain all the activities and links to Web sites that we'll use on a daily basis. Does anyone know if this Active Inspire program is accessible with JAWS? Are there any work-arounds that can help me do everything independently without using a human reader (my lab partner) when she's working on her own? Thanks for any help! Chris Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President of the National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986.) Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" Sent from my BrailleNote