[nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
Salisbury, Justin Mark
SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu
Tue Aug 16 14:42:53 UTC 2011
I just want to summarize my view on the Carroll Center:
If it's the only opportunity you have to get some skills that you don't already have, it can benefit you. If you have the opportunity to attend an NFB training center (or BISM, which Amy Phelps runs with an NFB philosophy), choose it over the Carroll Center 100 out of 100 times.
I've never heard the "dying" thing about Father Carroll, but it does not surprise me. I would love to get a good Federationist to take over the management of the Carroll Center.
Justin
Justin M. Salisbury
Undergraduate Student
The University Honors Program
East Carolina University
salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu
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Today's Topics:
1. nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (David Dunphy)
2. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (Justin Young)
3. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Kirt Manwaring)
4. Re: Blio and E-Book Readers (Heather Field)
5. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
(bookwormahb at earthlink.net)
6. Re: nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read (chris nusbaum)
7. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (bookwormahb at earthlink.net)
8. announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art: new email
address for the business (chris nusbaum)
9. The Carroll Center for the Blind (Salisbury, Justin Mark)
10. Re: Carol Center for the Blind? (David Dodge)
11. Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a
corrected link (Gabe Cazares)
12. AMerican Hero Dog Award (Beth)
13. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (Peter Donahue)
14. sending a message to all Gmail contacts? (chris nusbaum)
15. Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier
(chris nusbaum)
16. Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier.
(chris nusbaum)
17. Re: The Carroll Center for the Blind (chris nusbaum)
18. Re: AMerican Hero Dog Award (chris nusbaum)
19. Re: Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move
and a corrected link (chris nusbaum)
20. accessible iPod (Patrick Molloy)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:11:26 -0400
From: David Dunphy <djdrocks4ever at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
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Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
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Hi Everybody!
I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the
convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it
is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting
provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some
files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but
our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I
had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye
nabslinkaudio.org.
So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting
home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and
spam, etc.
So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the
nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch
to a new provider.
During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you
know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable.
You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back
online again.
Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet
service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect
the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement
text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already
mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will:
1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their
numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get
said messages and no one else
and
2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a
concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be
validated by the owner
Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense
once you see it!
If you have any questions, please email me at
djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
Thank you.
>From David
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:29:42 -0400
From: Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?
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Hi David,
No problem. I did three different programs. In the Summer of 2006 I
did the Youth In Transition(YIT) program which is heavily focused upon
daily living skills. There were classes from 8:45-3pm Mon-Fri. Then
there was activities that you did clubs and stuff like that. Some
were fun and some not really. You have the opportunity to do fencing,
and other evening activities. Some of the evening ones were more
arts/crafts style if I recall. Its hard to say with the
extracurriculars cuz they changed ever year. The ones whichwere the
same were Fencing, Sailing, shopping and others which I forget. The
next Summer I did the Real World of Work Experience Program(RWWE)
which was 5 weeks where the first week is doing the classes to make
sure you can do all of it because like laundry you had to wait until
after classes were over or on weekends as well. Once you begin
working its great I must say. When I did it they selected a place for
you and you were on the job site for Mon, Wed, Fri and Tues & Thu you
went on Field Trips. Oh yes I forgot about those we went on those as
well in YIT. They were to fun places, movies, golfing & stuff like
that. For the RWWE program though on Thursdays we went on Work
related field trips. Like once we went to the State House in Boston
and tried to go to Cape Cod, but the van I was in broke down so
couldn't do that one. There were still the activities in the
afternoon and evening. I didn't really do the ones in the afternoon
because I got back from work to late always. I worked at the Newton
Welseley Hospital in the Receiving Department which was fun after I
got a hand of what I was doing, the layout of the place and confidence
that I could do it all. I delivered to depts mainly. For my Final
Summer I and 4 others were involved in the pilot program of Transition
To College(TTC) in the Summer of 2008. This program was 4 weeks where
we did 2 at the Carroll Center like the YIT program and 2 at Boston
College. The 2 weeks of the classes is to ensure we could do it while
at BC. There was also a 2 week period before the program started for
all in the program to do the Computing to College which is a computer
program based in the Technology Center at the Carroll Center. I
couldn't do this portion because I was finishing High School. While
at BC we attended various seminars during the day and after I think
3pm it was we were free to do whatever we liked. We stayed in a dorm
which was a suite style and had a supervisor in one of the 5 rooms
with us. We were given each day $15 for food and had to give the
supervisor all receipts of what we spent. We definitely got our
exercise because our dorm was about a mile from the Education Building
where our seminars took place. We went on a field trip or two I don't
remember. I remember we went to either Boston University or one of
the UMass schools. I and a few of the others in the program took the
train to go places once or twice and a coffee shop was right on the
edge of the college and not far from our dorm. So, I went there
sometimes.
It was a great three years full of making friends. The cons you
asked? Hmm, well it really depends upon how you look at which program
you are in. I would say that sometimes you were forced to do things
you didn't really want to do which is why I really liked the BC
living. I hope this helps you.
Justin
On 8/13/11, David Dodge <daviddod at buffalo.edu> wrote:
> Justin,
> Thanks for your e-mail. Clearly, you have a great deal of experience with
> the center. Can you tell me about the program you were in, what you learned,
> and how it helped you? Were there any cons to the center? Thanks so much.
>
> David
> ----------------------------------
> David Dodge
> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
> State University of New York Student Assembly
> English Major
> University at Buffalo
> 306 Clemens Hall
> Buffalo, NY 14260
> daviddod at buffalo.edu
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Justin Young <jty727 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> I have experience with this center since I spent 3 consecutive summers
>> at the Corroll Center. I would be happy to answer any questions you
>> may have.
>>
>> Justin Young
>>
>> On 8/12/11, David Dodge <daviddod at buffalo.edu> wrote:
>> > Hello Everyone,
>> > A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind
>> in
>> > Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific
>> center?
>> > I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much.
>> >
>> > David
>> > ----------------------------------
>> > David Dodge
>> > Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
>> > State University of New York Student Assembly
>> > English Major
>> > University at Buffalo
>> > 306 Clemens Hall
>> > Buffalo, NY 14260
>> > daviddod at buffalo.edu
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Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:52:23 -0600
From: Kirt Manwaring <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers
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Peter,
I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time
using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their
own, I guess.
Warmly,
Kirt
On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> Hello Joseph and everyone,
>
> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. It
> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access for
> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping to
> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio
> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or
> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting:
> http://www.blio.com
>
> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a great
> product. Now to add more books to our collection.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>
>
> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be
> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works
> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin*
>
> Joseph - kf7qzc
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote:
>>Listers,
>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Jan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Rania Ismail CMT <raniaismail04 at gmail.com>
>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>>
>>
>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free.
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>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>>
>>
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>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt from
>>
>>paying the annual fee.
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>>
>>-----Original Message-----
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>>From: Marsha Drenth
>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM
>>
>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>>
>>
>>
>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around
>>
>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use
>>
>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been
>>
>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time?
>>
>>
>>
>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use
>>
>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I
>>
>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books.
>>
>>
>>
>>Marsha
>>
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:27:44 -0500
From: "Heather Field" <missheather at comcast.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers
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Hi Kurt,
I downloaded Kindle for PC and then bought an ebook with speech enabled.
However, I believe I still need an accessibility plugin or some such add-on
to make it fully accessible. As you're having great success with using
Kindle, can you please advise me as to what I need to do so I can read my
ebook.
Thanks so much.
Heather
-----Original Message-----
From: Kirt Manwaring
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:52 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blio and E-Book Readers
Peter,
I intend no disrespect to KNFB, but I honestly have an easier time
using the Kindel for PC app than I do using the Blio. To each their
own, I guess.
Warmly,
Kirt
On 8/13/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> Hello Joseph and everyone,
>
> Rather than messing with Nook, Kindle and company why not use Blio. It
> was developed by KNFB Reading Technology and was designed with access for
> blind and sighted people in mind. The NFB played a major role in helping
> to
> develop this product. I'd strongly suggest seriously investigating Blio
> instead of e-book solutions whose accessibility is next to none or
> nonexistent. Find out more by visiting:
> http://www.blio.com
>
> We have Blio installed on one of our devices and love it. It's a great
> product. Now to add more books to our collection.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "T. Joseph Carter" <carter.tjoseph at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>
>
> The Nook is completely inaccessible at last look. The Kindle can be
> accessible, if the publisher wants it to be. How well it works
> you?ll have to ask others?I use an iPad myself. *grin*
>
> Joseph - kf7qzc
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 12:40:53PM -0400, jandart2 at aol.com wrote:
>>Listers,
>>Can you share any experiences/recommendations for Nook and Kindle?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Jan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Rania Ismail CMT <raniaismail04 at gmail.com>
>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Wed, Aug 10, 2011 2:33 pm
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>>
>>
>>I joined in 95 and have the life time membership. The membership is free.
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>
>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf
>>
>>Of Anjelina
>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:25 PM
>>
>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>>
>>
>>
>>I joined in 1993 and was told with a lifetime membership we are exempt
>>from
>>
>>paying the annual fee.
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>
>>From: Marsha Drenth
>>
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 11:00 AM
>>
>>To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Ally new prices
>>
>>
>>
>>I think I heard of Learning Allie loosing its funding some time around
>>
>>convention, but did not much think about it. So if now people want to use
>>
>>the books, we must pay. What happens to those of us who have been
>>
>>grandfathered in since the beginning of time?
>>
>>
>>
>>At least because I am a student I get BKS for free of charge. I don't use
>>
>>BKS books all that much, because when put on my stream to read audibly I
>>
>>can't understand the speech. So thus why I like the Learning Allie books.
>>
>>
>>
>>Marsha
>>
>>
>>
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Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:49:43 -0400
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Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Dunphy
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
Hi Everybody!
I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the
convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it
is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting
provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some
files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but
our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I
had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye
nabslinkaudio.org.
So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting
home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and
spam, etc.
So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the
nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch
to a new provider.
During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you
know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable.
You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back
online again.
Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet
service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect
the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement
text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already
mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will:
1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their
numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get
said messages and no one else
and
2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a
concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be
validated by the owner
Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense
once you see it!
If you have any questions, please email me at
djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
Thank you.
>From David
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Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:09:38 -0400
From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
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Hi David,
Technical problems, technical problems! First, nabslinkaudio.org's Web
hosting service motherboard fried, and I just got an email saying that
AAR will be temporarily offline! Wow! I completely understand. Thanks
for the update, and I look forward to listening to the meeting!
Chris
On 8/13/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Thanks for the update and look forward to to the recordings.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Dunphy
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:11 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] nabslinkaudio.org site, Please Read
>
> Hi Everybody!
> I want to begin by apologizing to each and every one of you for the
> convention meeting not being up yet. I realize how horribly late it
> is. Sadly, there is a reason for this: The current web hosting
> provider we were using had their mother board fry, and we lost some
> files from the site.. Luckily, I have a backup of these things, but
> our site provider does not have a system for any site backups. So if I
> had a crash, and such an occurrence happened again, bye bye
> nabslinkaudio.org.
> So, I've done some digging around, and I have found us a new hosting
> home that does have automated site backups, protects from viruses and
> spam, etc.
> So at around 2 PM or 3 PM eastern today, August 13 2011, the
> nabslinkaudio.org site will be taken off line while we make the switch
> to a new provider.
> During the time of the transfer, you'll see a generic page letting you
> know that the nabslinkaudio.org site is temporarily unavailable.
> You'll know when the transfer is complete, for the site will be back
> online again.
> Once I'm sure that the domain has been updated and that all internet
> service providers have had a chance to update their records to reflect
> the change, I will put up the meeting for download, and also implement
> text notifications of archive availability. Yes, I know I already
> mentioned this, but I'm going to implement something that will:
> 1. Ensure the membership committee that only people who want their
> numbers shared for getting text notifications of call availability get
> said messages and no one else
> and
> 2. No one can turn around and say they didn't give their number if a
> concern should come up, for each phone number will have to be
> validated by the owner
> Don't worry, the process will be painless, and will make total sense
> once you see it!
> If you have any questions, please email me at
> djdrocks4ever at gmail.com
> Thank you.
> >From David
>
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:00:54 -0400
From: <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?
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David,
What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation adult
program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational
transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a
short summer experience to comment on.
I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult program
because I am thinking of going back for training.
Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program.
I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it?s a
shorter program since they have a new program called
Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the
students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I known
about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE
program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The teens
in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs.
That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I was
friends with the RWWE students though.
In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of field
trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and RWWE
had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together.
We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each other
since there was some overlap in experience.
In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living skills.
Its like the youth version of the rehab program.
Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00.
Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students had
club activities and in the evening
there were more activities and some of them were off campus.
In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class
period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra curriculars
and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already knew. I wonder
if the adult program is more individualized with a good evaluation of
skills before you learn skills in class.
Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, and
information technology. In communication some students learned braille but
I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase a
tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. In
personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on
cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and
spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found
Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained things.
There was another student in my class. We made
cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had a
lesson on putting on lipstick too.
Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and
bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all.
IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and
went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the bus.
I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to Newton
center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I had
practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance.
The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was ten
years ago!
I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay
objects and painted them.
I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or goal
ball.
On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to swim,
but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping
night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing.
We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually fun.
I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where
they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and
outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to
know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and museums.
I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student
who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision
impaired.
I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Dodge
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?
Hello Everyone,
A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind in
Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific center?
I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much.
David
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David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
daviddod at buffalo.edu
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:28:47 -0400
From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
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Subject: [nabs-l] announcement for all interested in Arianna's Art:
new email address for the business
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Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"
Hi everyone,
I'd like to let everyone know of a new and exciting change in our
painting business for the blind and sighted, Arianna's Art, Inc. We've
just created an email account where you can send us questions,
comments, suggestions, or any other information regarding our
business. If you would like to advertise our product by displaying it
at your next NFB, ACB, or any other meeting or event, or would like to
advertise us in any other way, you can also contact us via this email.
Our email address is ariannas.art at gmail.com. We're also trying to
create an email list for people who would like to recieve
announcements from us. In other words, if you specify that you would
like to be added to our email list, we'll add your email address to
our contacts list, and whenever we have a new announcement, we'll
email it to you. If you'd like to recieve announcements from us,
please leave us your name and email address at the above email. The
email address once again is ariannas.art at gmail.com. Arianna has two
n's and there's no apostrophe before the s. Hope to hear from you
soon!
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 01:57:40 +0000
From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" <SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu>
To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
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I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers with Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it.
Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with all of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, I highly recommend it.
I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the experience both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that I now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so I was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to use my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, but blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn all of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable visual field and acuity.
I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have chosen.
In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices, and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other students with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also saw a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we were adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people talk," was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often led to self-awareness and confidence building.
In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were responsible for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so they weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at a distance while we were in the environment.
At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the end of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training center would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but it does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the dining hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or counter-clockwise direction.
The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but it is not the very best option available.
I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list.
Justin
Justin M. Salisbury
Undergraduate Student
The University Honors Program
East Carolina University
salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu
?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 23:03:06 -0400
From: David Dodge <daviddod at buffalo.edu>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?
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Thanks so much. He is doing the Youth in Transition program and is
interested in doing some other programs as well. Good to know you had very
positive experiences.
David
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David Dodge
Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
State University of New York Student Assembly
English Major
University at Buffalo
306 Clemens Hall
Buffalo, NY 14260
daviddod at buffalo.edu
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:00 PM, <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> David,
> What program is your friend attending? Is it the main rehabilitation adult
> program? They also have one for work experience called the vocational
> transition program. I can only comment briefly upon the center. I have a
> short summer experience to comment on.
> I would be interested to hear any feedback from people in the adult program
> because I am thinking of going back for training.
>
> Like Justin Young, I attended the Youth in Transition, Yit, Program.
> I was there in summer 2001. Back then it was a six week program; now it?s a
> shorter program since they have a new program called
> Transition to College that they run for four weeks plus two weeks the
> students attend the computer program for a total of six weeks. Had I known
> about the Real World of Work experience, RWWE
> program, I might have attended that during my high school years. The teens
> in the program all seemed to enjoy their jobs.
> That would have been a good way to get work experience and socialize. I
> was friends with the RWWE students though.
> In 2001 RWWE students went to work three days a week with one day of field
> trips and the other day of classes at the center. Students in YIT and RWWE
> had afternoon/evening activities as well as field trips together.
> We also had meals together. I guess that is why we got to know each other
> since there was some overlap in experience.
>
> In the Youth in transition program, it was focussed on daily living skills.
> Its like the youth version of the rehab program.
> Classes were from 9:00 - 3:00.
> Before that there were announcements at 8:45. In the afternoon, students
> had club activities and in the evening
> there were more activities and some of them were off campus.
> In the adult program at 3:00 is a makeup class
> period. I am glad I went to YIT for the experience of the extra
> curriculars and socializing. But they went over a lot of stuff I already
> knew. I wonder if the adult program is more individualized with a good
> evaluation of skills before you learn skills in class.
>
> Some of the classes were communication, personal management, mobility, and
> information technology. In communication some students learned braille but
> I already knew it. They showed us some labeling products and how to erase a
> tape if you recorded on it. I don't think I got much out of that class. In
> personal management, Ellie was the instructor. That class focuses on
> cooking, personal care and housekeeping skills. I practiced cutting and
> spreading there. I had been taught by a rehab teacher at home, but found
> Ellie's guidance helpful. She taught hand over hand and explained things.
> There was another student in my class. We made
> cookies. She also went over folding money but I already knew that. We had a
> lesson on putting on lipstick too.
> Some students addressed personal care, but I was fine with shaving and
> bathing as a teen. We did more, but I cannot remember it all.
>
> IIn Orientation and mobility, I learned and practiced street crossing and
> went on the city bus. That was one on one; not all students went on the bus.
> I went to the Boston area to walk around; I think we took the bus to Newton
> center which is a stip shopping center a few miles from the center. I had
> practice buying things in the store with customer service assistance.
>
> The activities at night were fun. I cannot remember the day ones. It was
> ten years ago!
> I only remember an afternoon club called clay works where we made clay
> objects and painted them.
> I think one afternoon club was recreation where we played beep ball or goal
> ball.
> On most fridays nights, everyone had the option to go to the lake to swim,
> but I don't think I went; I was too tired. On Mondays was our shopping
> night where we went to a local mall. On Wednesdays we went canoeing.
>
> We had field trips once a week instead of classes; those were usually fun.
> I had not had some of those experiences. We went to a dance studio where
> they showed us some dance moves and let us explore dancer's shoes and
> outfits; since we could not see what they wore, I guess they wanted us to
> know what dancers wore. We also went to Cape Cod, a horse farm, and museums.
>
> I still keep in touch with a friend from the center and I saw one student
> who was down here in the next county working as a teacher of the vision
> impaired.
>
> I hope your friend learns something valuable from the center.
> -----Original Message----- From: David Dodge
> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:39 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Carol Center for the Blind?
>
> Hello Everyone,
> A friend of mine is going to be going to the Carol Center for the Blind in
> Newton Massachusetts. Does anyone have experience with this specific
> center?
> I'd just like some general feedback. Thanks so much.
>
> David
> ------------------------------**----
> David Dodge
> Doctoral Degree Granting Institutions Rep.
> State University of New York Student Assembly
> English Major
> University at Buffalo
> 306 Clemens Hall
> Buffalo, NY 14260
> daviddod at buffalo.edu
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:59:07 -0500
From: Gabe Cazares <gcazares10 at gmail.com>
To: members <members at nfbtx.org>, tabs_students
<tabs_students at googlegroups.com>, nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the
move and a corrected link
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FYI
...Gabe
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500
Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a corrected link
To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
>
>Hello,
>
>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book,
>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at Ground
>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world about
>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to
>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much.
>
>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has
>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers list
>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and book
>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have purchased
>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one please
>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All copies
>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle.
>
>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts. If
>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life
>lessons around
>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at bookstores.
>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and
>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to
>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before Roselle
>passed on June 26, 2011.
>
>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that "Thunder
>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness. The
>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at
>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a
>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind convention
>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people.
>
>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated as a
>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane
>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the eight
>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a problem.
>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time and
>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458.
>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you
>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for
>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her
>Alma Mater.
>
>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As always, if
>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always looking
>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact
>information. I hope all is well with you.
>
>
>Best,
>
>
>Mike Hingson
>
>The Michael Hingson Group, INC.
> "Speaking with Vision"
>Michael Hingson, President
>(415) 827-4084
>info at michaelhingson.com
>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael
>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit:
>www.michaelhingson.com
>
>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at
>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458
>
>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit:
>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
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(A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas)
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Phone: 713-581-0619
"The world is full of willing people; some willing to work, the rest
willing to let them."
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 04:57:26 -0600
From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
Hi, guys.
I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear
of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for
her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys
have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog
myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I
have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been
thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've
heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in
portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all
vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one.
Thanks.
Beth
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 07:08:02 -0500
From: "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
Hello Justin and everyone,
For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll
Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw
the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What
can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a "Dying."
If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you need
once and it will last you a life time.
Peter Donahue
----- Original Message -----
From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" <SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers with
Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it.
Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an
underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with all
of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, I
highly recommend it.
I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real
World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the experience
both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that I
now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so I
was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to use
my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my
remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything
non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M
lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, but
blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I
am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the
Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn all
of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable
visual field and acuity.
I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I
went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have
chosen.
In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence
and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do
laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices,
and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us
about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we
already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest
modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called
adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other students
with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities
and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also saw
a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we were
adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people talk,"
was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often led
to self-awareness and confidence building.
In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills
for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we
worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by
the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and
training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students
were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were responsible
for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had
two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so they
weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at a
distance while we were in the environment.
At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the end
of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They
spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an
aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They
studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training center
would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a
dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but it
does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the dining
hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate
the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or
counter-clockwise direction.
The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but it
is not the very best option available.
I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list.
Justin
Justin M. Salisbury
Undergraduate Student
The University Honors Program
East Carolina University
salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu
?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change
the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:32:38 -0400
From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] sending a message to all Gmail contacts?
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Hi everyone,
I have a question for all Gmail users. Is there a way that I can send
a message to all Gmail contacts at the same time? Is there some kind
of "send to all" button like there is on my mom's Yahoo account? I'm
asking because, as I posted last night, our business (Arianna's Art,
Inc.) has created a new Gmail account where people can send us
questions, feedback, orders, etc. We'd also like to create a contacts
list for our Gmail account, and send out an email to all our contacts
when we have a new announcement or a piece of news. So, can I do this
in Gmail without Google group? If I can't do this with JAWS in Basic
HTML mode, I'll just create a list on Google Groups. But, can I send
one message to all contacts? Thanks!
--
Chris Nusbaum
Sales and Advertising Coordinator
Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"
------------------------------
Message: 15
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:34:34 -0400
From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors
flier
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President"
<firstvicepresident.acbstudents at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:38:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs] Employment Mentoring Project: mentors flier
To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students."
<nabs at acb.org>
*Employment Mentoring Project*
*Seeking Professionals Who Are Blind *
**
Remember the challenges you faced in finding your first job??
Would you like to help a college student who is also blind begin their
career in a profession similar to yours??
We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with
mentors in their career fields will help them find employment.
*BENEFITS*
?Opportunity to mentor a college student who is blind and is interested
in working in your profession
?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community
*RESPONSIBILITIES*
?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after your mentee
graduates
?Help your mentee develop career goals and offer opportunities for job
shadowing
?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month
?Complete online activities monthly
**
*ELIGIBILITY*
?Legal blindness
?Currently employed or retired from a professional career
?Has basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility
software/hardware needed to access online materials
*INTERESTED?*
?*Complete the eligibility survey at *http://tiny.cc/mentor-professionals**
**
?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State
University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at
rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu <mailto:rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu>or toll free:
1-800-675-7782
--
Chris Nusbaum
Sales and Advertising Coordinator
Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"
------------------------------
Message: 16
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:37:04 -0400
From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, Blind Talk Mailing List <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees
flier.
Message-ID:
<CABpnAxE+K3tVMPpAY7EGCZ=HS=DnyArud-Ya_H+nN1heA-v2aQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Laura Glowacki, NABS First Vice President"
<firstvicepresident.acbstudents at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:37:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs] Employment mentoring project: mentees flier.
To: "Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students."
<nabs at acb.org>
*Employment Mentoring Project*
*For Students Who Are Legally Blind*
**
Is finding a job your next big step after graduation??
Would you like the opportunity to work with a mentor who is also blind
and has experience in your profession of interest??
We are conducting research to see if pairing students who are blind with
mentors in their career fields will help them find employment.
*BENEFITS*
?Potential to work with a career mentor who is blind
?Access to career development resources
?Assist in research that seeks to benefit the blind community
*RESPONSIBILITIES*
?Participate from January 2012 through up to 12 months after graduation
?Face-to-face contact with mentor 4 hours a month
?Complete online activities monthly
**
*ELIGIBILITY*
?Undergraduate or graduate student, under age 35, who:
oIs legally blind
oPlans to graduate within 2-3 semesters after January 2012
oExpects to seek employment after graduation
oHas basic computer literacy and knowledge of accessibility
software/hardware needed to access online materials
*INTERESTED?*
?*Complete eligibility survey online at *http://tiny.cc/mentor-students**
?For more information, contact Jamie O'Mally at Mississippi State
University's Research & Training Center on Blindness & Low Vision at
rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu <mailto:rrtc2 at colled.msstate.edu>or toll free:
1-800-675-7782
--
Chris Nusbaum
Sales and Advertising Coordinator
Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
impaired children in MD say "I can!"
------------------------------
Message: 17
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:50:16 -0400
From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
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Hi everyone,
This is an interesting discussion, and one which I was planning to
start in the near future. I agree with Peter's sentiments about
attending an NFB training center (although I wouldn't recommend
BISM... well, maybe they've changed as their leadership has changed,
from Loretta White to Amy Phelps) and I'm planning to attend a center
next summer. I'm trying to decide which I will go to, Minnesota,
Louissianna, or Colorado. So, I'd like to know what all of you thought
were the pros and cons of each program. What did you like about each
program, and what did you not like about it? What are the differences
in the programs, as they're all NFB training centers? I'll most likely
be going to the middle or high school program, I don't know which. I'm
going into 8th grade at the end of this month, so will be going into
9th next August. So, which center would you recommend? Thanks!
Chris
On 8/14/11, Peter Donahue <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:
> Hello Justin and everyone,
>
> For the reasons you point out below I wouldn't mess with the Carroll
> Center under any circumstances. I'm originally from Massachusetts and saw
> the same kind of results you mentioned from students who went there. What
> can you expect from an agency whose founder viewed blindness as a "Dying."
> If you want good blindness training go to an NFB center. Get what you need
> once and it will last you a life time.
>
> Peter Donahue
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Salisbury, Justin Mark" <SALISBURYJ08 at students.ecu.edu>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 8:57 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] The Carroll Center for the Blind
>
>
> I attended the Carroll Center for the Blind for two consecutive summers with
> Justin Young, and I would like to give my personal take on it.
>
> Justin and I had this joke where we started the Justin Corporation, an
> underground mafia meat market. It was an amazing social experience with all
> of the other students involved. If only considering the social frontier, I
> highly recommend it.
>
> I attended the Youth in Transition (YIT) program in 2006 and then the Real
> World Work Experience (RWWE) in 2007. I valued every bit of the experience
> both years, but I want to first make clear a fundamental disagreement that I
> now have with the training that I received. I lost my vision in 2005, so I
> was newly blinded when I went to the Carroll Center. They taught me to use
> my remaining vision as much as possible and taught me ways to use my
> remaining vision. I wish that they had taught me how to do everything
> non-visually. I wish that they had occluded (blindfolded) me during O&M
> lessons and other lessons in general. I learned a lot of great things, but
> blindness skills should be about knowing how to do things non-visually. I
> am now planning to attend an NFB training center (Louisiana Center for the
> Blind, Blind, Inc, or Colorado Center for the Blind), where I will learn all
> of the skills I need non-visually. Also understand that I have a stable
> visual field and acuity.
>
> I am much better off having gone to the Carroll Center than I was before I
> went there, but it wasn't the best possible program that I could have
> chosen.
>
> In the Youth in Transition program, they worked with us on our confidence
> and social skills. They taught us some basic cooking skills, how to do
> laundry, a lot of O&M, housekeeping skills, how to use low vision devices,
> and they had a class called "personal management," where they taught us
> about shaving, tying a tie, sewing a button, and things like that. If we
> already knew how to do something, they would watch us do it and suggest
> modifications in technique if necessary. They also had a class called
> adaptive technology, where they introduced me to ZoomText and other students
> with less vision than me to Jaws. We had a lot of great group activities
> and social opportunities that I will remember for a long time. We also saw
> a counselor while we were there on a weekly basis to make sure that we were
> adjusting well to the environment. Another activity, called "people talk,"
> was a time that we all gathered to talk about certain issues that often led
> to self-awareness and confidence building.
>
> In the Real World Work Experience program, we were evaluated on our skills
> for a week and prepared for a month of work. Once we started work, we
> worked for three days per week in volunteer positions, and we were paid by
> the Carroll Center. The other two days were used for field trips and
> training days. Again, it was an amazing experience. Different students
> were placed in different positions in the Boston area. We were responsible
> for using public transportation to get to and from our work sites. We had
> two job coaches in charge of about 10 or 12 students in the program, so they
> weren't with us all the time. They were sighted people who watched us at a
> distance while we were in the environment.
>
> At the beginning of the RWWE program, I met a few adults who were at the end
> of their adult program, which runs during the regular school year. They
> spoke well of their program, but they told me that there wasn't an
> aggressive Braille standard that they had to meet in their program. They
> studied it a little bit, but they didn't become what an NFB training center
> would push them to become. Also, students at the Carroll Center live in a
> dorm and eat at a dining hall, which gives them a comfortable crutch, but it
> does not push them to really be independent. When you walk into the dining
> hall, you are expected to put your cane in a docking station and navigate
> the dining hall without it by walking in either a clockwise or
> counter-clockwise direction.
>
> The Carroll Center is a good training center with good people in it, but it
> is not the very best option available.
>
> I'd be happy to answer specific questions on- or off-list.
>
> Justin
>
>
>
> Justin M. Salisbury
> Undergraduate Student
> The University Honors Program
> East Carolina University
> salisburyj08 at students.ecu.edu
>
> ?Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change
> the world; indeed, it?s the only thing that ever has.? ?MARGARET MEAD
>
>
>
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Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
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------------------------------
Message: 18
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:58:53 -0400
From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] AMerican Hero Dog Award
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Hi Beth,
Amen to that! I'm going to try on my PC, as the site was a little
weird with my BrailleNote, so it may be better with JAWS. I have
recently finished reading Thunder Dog (my friend picked a copy up for
me at national convention, as I wasn't there... what a bad
Federationist I am, *smiles) and it's a wonderfull story. You'll love
it! Enjoy the book!
Chris
P.S. Does anybody know when the deadline for voting for Roselle is?
Did Mike mention this in one of his emails, and I just didn't pay
attention?
On 8/14/11, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, guys.
> I read the messages from Michael Hingson and am very sad to hear
> of Roselle's passing. The posthumous wish I'm sure would be for
> her to have the American Hero Dog award. How many of you guys
> have voted for her? I'm just about ready to read Thunder Dog
> myself. Anyway, if anybody has voted, great. If you haven't, I
> have heard Roselle's story last year in Dallas, and I've been
> thinking about this whole thing for the whole year since I've
> heard it. I remember the eloquence Mr. Hingson used in
> portraying Roselle as a true American Hero Dog. So let's all
> vote for her, if not for a true award but a posthumous one.
> Thanks.
> Beth
>
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Arianna's Art Inc. Paintings for the Blind and Sighted!!!
Like us on Facebook! Search for Arianna Lipka Art for the Blind!
Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for
information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:49:13 -0400
From: chris nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on
the move and a corrected link
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Hi Gabe,
Just FYI, you don't need to send emails to the NABS list if they come
across as posted to the NFBnet-members list. When Dave Andrews posts
something to the NFBnet-members or NFBnet-master lists, it goes to
everybody who's on any NFBnet lists. This reduces Inbox clutter for
people who are on multiple lists, as a message is sent to one list,
then forwarded to another list on the same server as the first, then
another, and another... well, you see what I mean. The other lists you
posted it to hadn't seen the message before you sent it, though,
because they're on different servers. Just letting you know!
Chris
On 8/13/11, Gabe Cazares <gcazares10 at gmail.com> wrote:
> FYI
>
> ...Gabe
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:03:38 -0500
> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] Fwd: Thunder Dog on the move and a corrected
> link
> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
>
>
>>
>>Hello,
>>
>>Earlier this month I emailed many of you announcing that my new book,
>>"Thunder Dog, A Blind Man, His Guide Dog, and the Triumph of Trust at
>> Ground
>>Zero " was released on August 2. . Please continue to tell the world
>> about
>>its release and please encourage your friends, family, and colleagues to
>>order Thunder Dog. I would appreciate your help very much.
>>
>>Now, I am excited to tell you that in its first week of release it has
>>climbed to the rank of #29 on the combined New York Times Best Sellers list
>>for print and eBooks. This is incredible according to my publisher and
>> book
>>agent. I wanted to share the exciting news. I hope that you have
>> purchased
>>your own copy and have enjoyed Thunder Dog. If you want to buy one please
>>visit www.michaelhingson.com and click on "Order Thunder Dog". All copies
>>come autographed and pawtographed by me and Roselle.
>>
>>Thunder Dog continues to zoom up the Amazon and Barnes and Noble charts.
>> If
>>you want to read the story of Roselle and me as well as learn some life
>>lessons around
>>9-11 you can now purchase the cd audio book or a print book at bookstores.
>>Better yet, as mentioned above, you can visit www.michaelhingson.com and
>>purchase copies. The pawtograph from Roselle is especially meaningful to
>>me, and I hope to you, because it was obtained just six days before Roselle
>>passed on June 26, 2011.
>>
>>The books reviews continue to be pretty tremendous. I hope that "Thunder
>>Dog" will help inspire people as raise their awareness about blindness.
>> The
>>book is available in audio cd, and print editions, both available at
>>www.michaelhingson.com. The audio edition has some extras including a
>>speech I gave last year at the National Federation of the Blind convention
>>in Dallas before 3,000 blind people.
>>
>>I also wish your help on another front. In June, Roselle was nominated as
>> a
>>candidate to receive the American Dog Hero award from the American Humane
>>Association. Her nomination has progressed and she is now one of the eight
>>finalists. The link I sent you earlier this month apparently had a
>> problem.
>>I have corrected the difficulty. Again I am asking you to take the time
>> and
>>vote for her at www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458.
>>You can vote daily through September 30, 2011. I would appreciate you
>>spreading the word about this and helping Roselle win. A victory for
>>Roselle includes a substantial donation to Guide Dogs for the Blind, her
>>Alma Mater.
>>
>>Thanks for all your encouragement and support over the years. As always,
>> if
>>you know of anyone or any organization needing a speaker I am always
>> looking
>>for opportunities and would appreciate you passing on my name and contact
>>information. I hope all is well with you.
>>
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>
>>Mike Hingson
>>
>>The Michael Hingson Group, INC.
>> "Speaking with Vision"
>>Michael Hingson, President
>>(415) 827-4084
>>info at michaelhingson.com
>>To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael
>>Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit:
>>www.michaelhingson.com
>>
>>Please vote for Roselle for the title of American Dog Hero of the year at
>>www.herodogawards.org/view-entries.html#view/359/220458
>>
>>To learn about the KnfbReader Mobile please visit:
>>http://knfbreader.michaelhingson.com
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:25:30 -0400
From: Patrick Molloy <ptrck.molloy at gmail.com>
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Subject: [nabs-l] accessible iPod
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Hello everyone:
I'm thinking about buying a new iPod, and I'm wondering which kinds
are the most accessible? I don't want an iPhone, I just want something
to play music on. Should I go with a Shuffle, or are there more
accessible iPods out there? Also, how accessible is iTunes these days?
(I'm a JAWS user, and had heard that JAWS and iTunes weren't
compatible together.) Any advice you could give me would be
appreciated.
Thanks,
Patrick Molloy
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