From amylsabo at comcast.net Thu Dec 1 11:40:07 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 04:40:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] utube problems Message-ID: <001201ccb01d$fa6d50b0$ef47f210$@comcast.net> Hello all, Well, I'm at the my ends rope here with dealing with utube! I have never used this site and, I had to work it all out this evening. Well, I got the link from a friend of mine/my sister to create a powerpoint presentation for her music appreciation class and, I have been trying to do this all evening/morning! I have tried using the utube site in which I had to create a account in which I did with some sighted assistance and, then when I go to add the page/link to the favorites/playlist it won't add it for some reason. I have tried copying and pasting it into both windows media player and, also quicktime as well too. And, it won't open up the file. So, here's my problem and, it's crunch time for both of us! How, can I get the page/videos for that page into the playlist to play them and, then save/edit them into my videos folder before I add them to the slide for powerpoint? Is there another way on how I can open up the link from utube that I have copyed and pasted into another media player which is accessible with jfw and, can work on it too? I know this lengthy and crazy but, I'm going insane here!!!!!!! Thanks again for all of your help and, I will talk to you all soon.. Hugs always, Amy P.s. if any of you can help me out please contact me off list at my email address and, I can give you my contact information off list From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Dec 1 12:22:56 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 06:22:56 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] utube problems In-Reply-To: <001201ccb01d$fa6d50b0$ef47f210$@comcast.net> References: <001201ccb01d$fa6d50b0$ef47f210$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi, Amy. I just E-mailed you offlist. I hope you're able to get something going. I'm having problems with my browser, because alot of Youtube videos buffer too much. Blessings, Joshua On 12/1/11, Amy Sabo wrote: > Hello all, > > Well, I'm at the my ends rope here with dealing with utube! I > have never used this site and, I had to work it all out this > evening. Well, I got the link from a friend of mine/my sister to > create a powerpoint presentation for her music appreciation class > and, I have been trying to do this all evening/morning! > > I have tried using the utube site in which I had to create a > account in which I did with some sighted assistance and, then > when I go to add the page/link to the favorites/playlist it won't > add it for some reason. > > I have tried copying and pasting it into both windows media > player and, also quicktime as well too. And, it won't open up the > file. So, here's my problem and, it's crunch time for both of us! > How, can I get the page/videos for that page into the playlist to > play them and, then save/edit them into my videos folder before I > add them to the slide for powerpoint? Is there another way on how > I can open up the link from utube that I have copyed and pasted > into another media player which is accessible with jfw and, can > work on it too? > > I know this lengthy and crazy but, I'm going insane here!!!!!!! > > > Thanks again for all of your help and, I will talk to you all > soon.. > > > > > Hugs always, > Amy > > > P.s. if any of you can help me out please contact me off list at > my email address and, I can give you my contact information off > list > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From frandi.galindo at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 14:25:02 2011 From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com (frandi.galindo at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:25:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] utube problems In-Reply-To: References: <001201ccb01d$fa6d50b0$ef47f210$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <92DE15922BBE43AF824409F7BD39F4A4@OwnerPC> The videos would only buffer if you have a terrible internet connection. I know this because I have seen many a people watch their youtube videos on all kinds of connections. What or who do you have for internet? -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:22 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] utube problems Hi, Amy. I just E-mailed you offlist. I hope you're able to get something going. I'm having problems with my browser, because alot of Youtube videos buffer too much. Blessings, Joshua On 12/1/11, Amy Sabo wrote: > Hello all, > > Well, I'm at the my ends rope here with dealing with utube! I > have never used this site and, I had to work it all out this > evening. Well, I got the link from a friend of mine/my sister to > create a powerpoint presentation for her music appreciation class > and, I have been trying to do this all evening/morning! > > I have tried using the utube site in which I had to create a > account in which I did with some sighted assistance and, then > when I go to add the page/link to the favorites/playlist it won't > add it for some reason. > > I have tried copying and pasting it into both windows media > player and, also quicktime as well too. And, it won't open up the > file. So, here's my problem and, it's crunch time for both of us! > How, can I get the page/videos for that page into the playlist to > play them and, then save/edit them into my videos folder before I > add them to the slide for powerpoint? Is there another way on how > I can open up the link from utube that I have copyed and pasted > into another media player which is accessible with jfw and, can > work on it too? > > I know this lengthy and crazy but, I'm going insane here!!!!!!! > > > Thanks again for all of your help and, I will talk to you all > soon.. > > > > > Hugs always, > Amy > > > P.s. if any of you can help me out please contact me off list at > my email address and, I can give you my contact information off > list > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Dec 1 14:58:41 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:58:41 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] utube problems In-Reply-To: <92DE15922BBE43AF824409F7BD39F4A4@OwnerPC> References: <001201ccb01d$fa6d50b0$ef47f210$@comcast.net> <92DE15922BBE43AF824409F7BD39F4A4@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Century-Link, (formerly Sudden-Link.) They have a lame connection! Blessings, Joshua On 12/1/11, frandi.galindo at gmail.com wrote: > The videos would only buffer if you have a terrible internet connection. I > know this because I have seen many a people watch their youtube videos on > all kinds of connections. What or who do you have for internet? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:22 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] utube problems > > Hi, Amy. > I just E-mailed you offlist. > I hope you're able to get something going. > I'm having problems with my browser, because alot of Youtube videos > buffer too much. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/1/11, Amy Sabo wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> Well, I'm at the my ends rope here with dealing with utube! I >> have never used this site and, I had to work it all out this >> evening. Well, I got the link from a friend of mine/my sister to >> create a powerpoint presentation for her music appreciation class >> and, I have been trying to do this all evening/morning! >> >> I have tried using the utube site in which I had to create a >> account in which I did with some sighted assistance and, then >> when I go to add the page/link to the favorites/playlist it won't >> add it for some reason. >> >> I have tried copying and pasting it into both windows media >> player and, also quicktime as well too. And, it won't open up the >> file. So, here's my problem and, it's crunch time for both of us! >> How, can I get the page/videos for that page into the playlist to >> play them and, then save/edit them into my videos folder before I >> add them to the slide for powerpoint? Is there another way on how >> I can open up the link from utube that I have copyed and pasted >> into another media player which is accessible with jfw and, can >> work on it too? >> >> I know this lengthy and crazy but, I'm going insane here!!!!!!! >> >> >> Thanks again for all of your help and, I will talk to you all >> soon.. >> >> >> >> >> Hugs always, >> Amy >> >> >> P.s. if any of you can help me out please contact me off list at >> my email address and, I can give you my contact information off >> list >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From frandi.galindo at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 20:33:16 2011 From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com (frandi.galindo at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:33:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] utube problems In-Reply-To: References: <001201ccb01d$fa6d50b0$ef47f210$@comcast.net><92DE15922BBE43AF824409F7BD39F4A4@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <8BB0483B3197464E8C94592C07110170@OwnerPC> that would explain a lot. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:58 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] utube problems Century-Link, (formerly Sudden-Link.) They have a lame connection! Blessings, Joshua On 12/1/11, frandi.galindo at gmail.com wrote: > The videos would only buffer if you have a terrible internet connection. > I > know this because I have seen many a people watch their youtube videos on > all kinds of connections. What or who do you have for internet? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:22 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] utube problems > > Hi, Amy. > I just E-mailed you offlist. > I hope you're able to get something going. > I'm having problems with my browser, because alot of Youtube videos > buffer too much. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/1/11, Amy Sabo wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> Well, I'm at the my ends rope here with dealing with utube! I >> have never used this site and, I had to work it all out this >> evening. Well, I got the link from a friend of mine/my sister to >> create a powerpoint presentation for her music appreciation class >> and, I have been trying to do this all evening/morning! >> >> I have tried using the utube site in which I had to create a >> account in which I did with some sighted assistance and, then >> when I go to add the page/link to the favorites/playlist it won't >> add it for some reason. >> >> I have tried copying and pasting it into both windows media >> player and, also quicktime as well too. And, it won't open up the >> file. So, here's my problem and, it's crunch time for both of us! >> How, can I get the page/videos for that page into the playlist to >> play them and, then save/edit them into my videos folder before I >> add them to the slide for powerpoint? Is there another way on how >> I can open up the link from utube that I have copyed and pasted >> into another media player which is accessible with jfw and, can >> work on it too? >> >> I know this lengthy and crazy but, I'm going insane here!!!!!!! >> >> >> Thanks again for all of your help and, I will talk to you all >> soon.. >> >> >> >> >> Hugs always, >> Amy >> >> >> P.s. if any of you can help me out please contact me off list at >> my email address and, I can give you my contact information off >> list >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com From amylsabo at comcast.net Thu Dec 1 22:12:42 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:12:42 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] utube problems In-Reply-To: <92DE15922BBE43AF824409F7BD39F4A4@OwnerPC> References: <001201ccb01d$fa6d50b0$ef47f210$@comcast.net> <92DE15922BBE43AF824409F7BD39F4A4@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <000001ccb076$595b0ab0$0c112010$@comcast.net> Hello, This isn't a buffering problem I can't save the video files to my computer so I have stored in the playlist folder on my utube channel. Thanks anyway for your help... Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of frandi.galindo at gmail.com Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:25 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] utube problems The videos would only buffer if you have a terrible internet connection. I know this because I have seen many a people watch their youtube videos on all kinds of connections. What or who do you have for internet? -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:22 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] utube problems Hi, Amy. I just E-mailed you offlist. I hope you're able to get something going. I'm having problems with my browser, because alot of Youtube videos buffer too much. Blessings, Joshua On 12/1/11, Amy Sabo wrote: > Hello all, > > Well, I'm at the my ends rope here with dealing with utube! I > have never used this site and, I had to work it all out this > evening. Well, I got the link from a friend of mine/my sister to > create a powerpoint presentation for her music appreciation class > and, I have been trying to do this all evening/morning! > > I have tried using the utube site in which I had to create a > account in which I did with some sighted assistance and, then > when I go to add the page/link to the favorites/playlist it won't > add it for some reason. > > I have tried copying and pasting it into both windows media > player and, also quicktime as well too. And, it won't open up the > file. So, here's my problem and, it's crunch time for both of us! > How, can I get the page/videos for that page into the playlist to > play them and, then save/edit them into my videos folder before I > add them to the slide for powerpoint? Is there another way on how > I can open up the link from utube that I have copyed and pasted > into another media player which is accessible with jfw and, can > work on it too? > > I know this lengthy and crazy but, I'm going insane here!!!!!!! > > > Thanks again for all of your help and, I will talk to you all > soon.. > > > > > Hugs always, > Amy > > > P.s. if any of you can help me out please contact me off list at > my email address and, I can give you my contact information off > list > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galind o%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net From ignasicambra at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 22:54:23 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 17:54:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] utube problems In-Reply-To: <000001ccb076$595b0ab0$0c112010$@comcast.net> References: <001201ccb01d$fa6d50b0$ef47f210$@comcast.net> <92DE15922BBE43AF824409F7BD39F4A4@OwnerPC> <000001ccb076$595b0ab0$0c112010$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4549495416157793338@unknownmsgid> There are a few applications out there that allow you to download videos from YouTube and save them in different formats. Just use one of them and then after you have saved the video on your computer use it in your PowerPoint presentation Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Amy Sabo wrote: > Hello, > > This isn't a buffering problem I can't save the video files to my > computer so I have stored in the playlist folder on my utube > channel. Thanks anyway for your help... > > > > Hugs, > amy > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > frandi.galindo at gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:25 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] utube problems > > The videos would only buffer if you have a terrible internet > connection. I > know this because I have seen many a people watch their youtube > videos on > all kinds of connections. What or who do you have for internet? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:22 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] utube problems > > Hi, Amy. > I just E-mailed you offlist. > I hope you're able to get something going. > I'm having problems with my browser, because alot of Youtube > videos > buffer too much. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/1/11, Amy Sabo wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> Well, I'm at the my ends rope here with dealing with utube! I >> have never used this site and, I had to work it all out this >> evening. Well, I got the link from a friend of mine/my sister > to >> create a powerpoint presentation for her music appreciation > class >> and, I have been trying to do this all evening/morning! >> >> I have tried using the utube site in which I had to create a >> account in which I did with some sighted assistance and, then >> when I go to add the page/link to the favorites/playlist it > won't >> add it for some reason. >> >> I have tried copying and pasting it into both windows media >> player and, also quicktime as well too. And, it won't open up > the >> file. So, here's my problem and, it's crunch time for both of > us! >> How, can I get the page/videos for that page into the playlist > to >> play them and, then save/edit them into my videos folder before > I >> add them to the slide for powerpoint? Is there another way on > how >> I can open up the link from utube that I have copyed and pasted >> into another media player which is accessible with jfw and, can >> work on it too? >> >> I know this lengthy and crazy but, I'm going insane here!!!!!!! >> >> >> Thanks again for all of your help and, I will talk to you all >> soon.. >> >> >> >> >> Hugs always, >> Amy >> >> >> P.s. if any of you can help me out please contact me off list > at >> my email address and, I can give you my contact information off >> list >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galind > o%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co > mcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From tannis at afb.net Fri Dec 2 05:10:45 2011 From: tannis at afb.net (Tara Annis) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 05:10:45 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] blind people being taught social skills Message-ID: <28DEBD505C185140A61A985DCBAB086ACA773B@CH1PRD0402MB102.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Arielle, I do agree with you that some of the time blind people do certain "socially unacceptable" things out of lazieness as opposed to ignorance. Yet, I do know for a fact that the situation I mentioned was out of ignorance; once I give all the details you guys wil understand. The picking up after dog situation was where a girl and I were standing on campus about 20 feet away from a group of about 15 sighted students smoking. We were in direct line of them, and the girl realizes her dog has went bathroom, turns to me and says, "hurry up, let's get out of here before those people see us." She didn't realize that they could see at that distance. I think the fact they were all talking to each other made her feel they were not focusing on her as well. This girl has misunderstood about sight other times as well. She snuck soda into the movies, so she would not have to pay for the expensive ones at the theater. The usher came down the row, and she tried to hide the can of soda, but only covered part of it with her hand. (I can see a little bit, so saw this for myself.) The usher came up to her and told her to get rid of it; once he left she turned to me and said, "I don't know how he could tell I had this soda, I had it covered with my hands!" She didn't realize that body position and one's angle to objects determines what can be seen. I'm not saying I'm better than her, for the fact I've made social mistakes. For example, I did not understand that people were always watching my facial expression. One time in choir my friends told me they watch me the whole time during this class, instead of what the teacher was writing on the blackboard, since I made interesting facial expressions. They told me that everyone in the class except me had a bored look on their face, but I would randomly smile really big for a few seconds, then go back to normal, then smile again a few minutes later. (I found out this is very common; many blind people do this hwen they are daydreaming. For example, a blind girl I knew would have these same expressions when she listened to her CD player with the headphones, since she was in her own world, enjoying the music, and did not realize people around her were watching her expressions.) To let everyone know, though, that sighted people can make these mistakes as well, probably not as often, but it still happens. For example, a sighted person told me that a lot of people wil pick their noses when they are driving in their cars to work. They do not realize that people in other vehicles aroudn them can see through their windshield. The nose picker does not realize this because they cannot imagine the visual perspective of other drivers; they only know what they are seeing, not what others at different positions are seeing. I totally understand discussing this issue to blind people has to be done correctly, and I think more research will shed more light on the proper techniques to use in an advanced social skills class. I feel that keeping this information could cause more damage, though, especially for issues that canbe fixed without much hassle. Also, research needs to be conducted to determine statistically which behaviors are considered extremely negative. Some of them are universal, as I said in the last message, such as masturbation in public. Everyone will agree that this behaviour should not happen, and the blind person doing it should be alerted, taught how to fix the issue, since continuing to do it would keep him from making friends or getting a job. Most would agree tha tnot telling him about would hurt him more in the long run. This research could also benefit sighted, since it would show where the public is lacking in understanding of disability, and more etiquette training to address these gaps in understanding could be fixed. From frandi.galindo at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 22:33:00 2011 From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com (frandi.galindo at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 17:33:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] board games Message-ID: <0CE41E6592CF44F5AA6407F935FA9D01@OwnerPC> I know this is a list for students, but I have seen many things on here that has nothing to do with school and school survices. So, I shall now contribute my share of non student related questions. There is a game out their called clue. Has anyone seen a braille version of this classic board game? From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Dec 2 22:46:53 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 17:46:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] board games In-Reply-To: <0CE41E6592CF44F5AA6407F935FA9D01@OwnerPC> References: <0CE41E6592CF44F5AA6407F935FA9D01@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <9CDB2BF3735C4181B647DE99335F36B8@OwnerPC> good question. If not, you could take dymo tape and braille the cards and mark the board. I have seen braille scrabble though. Also chinese checkers. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 5:33 PM To: NFB Subject: [nabs-l] board games I know this is a list for students, but I have seen many things on here that has nothing to do with school and school survices. So, I shall now contribute my share of non student related questions. There is a game out their called clue. Has anyone seen a braille version of this classic board game? _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 23:08:14 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 18:08:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] board games In-Reply-To: <9CDB2BF3735C4181B647DE99335F36B8@OwnerPC> References: <0CE41E6592CF44F5AA6407F935FA9D01@OwnerPC> <9CDB2BF3735C4181B647DE99335F36B8@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hey I have not heard of clue, but here is a website that has some games and a lot of other neat things. shipping is free for all. they even have a magnitized dominoes set that I have on my refrigorater. http://www.braillebookstore.com/view.php?C=Board+Games On 12/2/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > good question. If not, you could take dymo tape and braille the cards and > mark the board. > I have seen braille scrabble though. Also > chinese checkers. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 5:33 PM > To: NFB > Subject: [nabs-l] board games > > I know this is a list for students, but I have seen many things on here that > has nothing to do with school and school survices. So, I shall now > contribute my share of non student related questions. There is a game out > their called clue. Has anyone seen a braille version of this classic board > game? > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Sat Dec 3 01:18:02 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 19:18:02 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind people being taught social skills In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tara and others, As a former sighted person, trust me, nothing you described is unique to blind people. The reasoning behind the behavior may be different, but the behavior itself is not. Since becoming blind, it has been very interesting to me to learn how many blind people think many behaviors and mindsets are unique to blindness. I think so much of what we do is attributed to our blindness even though sighted people do the exact same things. When I was sighted, if I smiled because I was daydreaming, people most likely thought I had just remembered something happy, or was thinking of a moment that made me smile. Now as a blind person, if I randomly smile, people may think it's something blind people do- make random facial expressions. For me, I'm not making random facial expressions, but am simply having a nice thought, just like I did when sighted. I think when we, blind people, start to attribute to much to blindness, we are in danger of fueling misconceptions and stereotypes. There are behaviors some blind people exhibit that is due to never learning how others do it, which is how most sighted people pick up behaviors, but we can't always say it's unique to being blind. Even though the friend didn't quite understand how the angle of her body still made the soda can visible, we can't necessarily say that had she been sighted, she would have hid the can better. I've been with plenty of people, sighted, who have had similar things happen. And if a sighted person thinks they don't exhibit similar behavior, they are an idiot, smile! Nose picking, pulling wedgies out, leaving dog poo on the ground- no, not everyone is silly enough to do these things in public, but most of us daydream and will smile or have some "random" expression; many of us have a different, or goofy, expression for different things. I often have a crooked smile, like the actress Katie Holmes, meaning I literally will smile with only half of my mouth. Not sure how this works physically, but trust me, it's how I smile, grin. And I've been grinning like this for years even when I was sighted. My husband, who was once sighted too, rarely smiles, and usually looks like my big, mook body guard though he's actually a big teddy bear. He just doesn't express much when not in conversation. It probably doesn't help that he usually is crossing his arms and stands a bit like a body guard, giggle. My sister never had her teeth correctedm, and she's very self-conscious about it so she never smiles with her mouth open. She has very thin lips, and her mouth doesn't curve up when smiling, so when she smiles with her lips closed, it looks like a straight, thin line across her face. My dad, brother and sister make this really odd expression when excited or happy where they squint their eyes, scrunch their faces and hold their hands up close to their face. They literally aren't aware of what their doing, and all are sighted. I have numerous sighted friends who never pick up after their dogs, which is gross. And sadly, I've known plenty of people who pick their nose when the fancy takes them. And of course little kids do all these things, smile. You give me some behavior or expression a blind person does, and I guarantee I can give you an example of a sighted person who has done, or does, the same. Am I the only former sighted person here? LOL Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan Message: 4 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 05:10:45 +0000 From: Tara Annis To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" Subject: [nabs-l] blind people being taught social skills Message-ID: <28DEBD505C185140A61A985DCBAB086ACA773B at CH1PRD0402MB102.namprd04.prod.ou tlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Arielle, I do agree with you that some of the time blind people do certain "socially unacceptable" things out of lazieness as opposed to ignorance. Yet, I do know for a fact that the situation I mentioned was out of ignorance; once I give all the details you guys wil understand. The picking up after dog situation was where a girl and I were standing on campus about 20 feet away from a group of about 15 sighted students smoking. We were in direct line of them, and the girl realizes her dog has went bathroom, turns to me and says, "hurry up, let's get out of here before those people see us." She didn't realize that they could see at that distance. I think the fact they were all talking to each other made her feel they were not focusing on her as well. This girl has misunderstood about sight other times as well. She snuck soda into the movies, so she would not have to pay for the expensive ones at the theater. The usher came down the row, and she tried to hide the can of soda, but only covered part of it with her hand. (I can see a little bit, so saw this for myself.) The usher came up to her and told her to get rid of it; once he left she turned to me and said, "I don't know how he could tell I had this soda, I had it covered with my hands!" She didn't realize that body position and one's angle to objects determines what can be seen. I'm not saying I'm better than her, for the fact I've made social mistakes. For example, I did not understand that people were always watching my facial expression. One time in choir my friends told me they watch me the whole time during this class, instead of what the teacher was writing on the blackboard, since I made interesting facial expressions. They told me that everyone in the class except me had a bored look on their face, but I would randomly smile really big for a few seconds, then go back to normal, then smile again a few minutes later. (I found out this is very common; many blind people do this hwen they are daydreaming. For example, a blind girl I knew would have these same expressions when she listened to her CD player with the headphones, since she was in her own world, enjoying the music, and did not realize people around her were watching her expressions.) To let everyone know, though, that sighted people can make these mistakes as well, probably not as often, but it still happens. For example, a sighted person told me that a lot of people wil pick their noses when they are driving in their cars to work. They do not realize that people in other vehicles aroudn them can see through their windshield. The nose picker does not realize this because they cannot imagine the visual perspective of other drivers; they only know what they are seeing, not what others at different positions are seeing. I totally understand discussing this issue to blind people has to be done correctly, and I think more research will shed more light on the proper techniques to use in an advanced social skills class. I feel that keeping this information could cause more damage, though, especially for issues that canbe fixed without much hassle. Also, research needs to be conducted to determine statistically which behaviors are considered extremely negative. Some of them are universal, as I said in the last message, such as masturbation in public. Everyone will agree that this behaviour should not happen, and the blind person doing it should be alerted, taught how to fix the issue, since continuing to do it would keep him from making friends or getting a job. Most would agree tha tnot telling him about would hurt him more in the long run. This research could also benefit sighted, since it would show where the public is lacking in understanding of disability, and more etiquette training to address these gaps in understanding could be fixed. From trising at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 3 02:01:57 2011 From: trising at sbcglobal.net (trising at sbcglobal.net) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 21:01:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] board games References: <0CE41E6592CF44F5AA6407F935FA9D01@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <9CAFC5150CB3471B9F4077B62A91C6CA@btggjgjwgas> My parents adapted it for me when I was a teenager. The cards can be rolled into a Perkins Brailler and Brailled. A dot of hot glue can be put on every square so you can move your person. A Braille label can be put in every room in the mansion. That is really all that is necessary. Terri Wilcox Secretary, National Federation of the Blind of Michigan Ann Arbor Chapter President -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1591 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message From nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 04:39:33 2011 From: nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com (community service Outreach) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 23:39:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder conference call Message-ID: Hello, everyone! > > The Community Service Group will have our monthly conference call on > Sunday, December 4. We will be discussing "The Cost of a Gift," one of > the NFB's most important landmark speeches and how it ties in with > Federation philosophy and community service. The speech is attached to this email for those who would like to read it. > > Why is it important for us, as bind people, to serve our community? > > Why is service in general important? > > What do we hope to teach the sighted about blindness through community > service? > > How does this speech shape or influence our philosophies about service? > > If you are passionate about serving your community, and are looking to > chat with people who share similar thoughts and feelings about > community service, this call is for you! The call-in information is below: > > Where: (218) 339-3600 passcode 808277 > When: Sunday, December 4 at 5 PT > Topic: "The Cost of a Gift," and its impact on community service and > Federation philosophy > > Hope to see you there! > From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 18:00:18 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 11:00:18 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind people being taught social skills In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bridgit and all, Nicely said. Bridgit, since you have been both blind and sighted your perspective is very informative and valuable to us. There are lots of assumptions floating around in the minds of both blind and sighted people about how blindness changes a person or about how blind and sighted people differ from one another. These assumptions are limited in their accuracy because many of us have not experienced both sight and blindness, and so cannot make fair comparisons. Our assumptions tend to be biased in the direction of what we have experienced or what we know most about, and we think less about those factors that we know less about. There is also a psychological phenomenon called illusory correlation, which basically means that people tend to associate uncommon characteristics (such as blindness) with uncommon behaviors (such as nose-picking etc.) It is easy for us to think of blind people who pick their noses but less obvious that there are sighted people who pick their noses too, and blind people who don't. Because we tend to believe that people with uncommon characteristics, like blindness, exhibit uncommon behaviors like nose-picking, if we meet a blind person who engages in nose-picking we tend to attribute that behavior to blindness and come up with a reason why blindness would "cause" nose-picking (i.e. reasoning that the blind person doesn't know other people can see him/her doing it). What we forget is that the behavior could stem from other causes having nothing to do with blindness. It is easy for sighted people who only know a few blind folks to attribute anything unusual those blind folks do to their blindness. As blind people we are often taught by the "blindness system" to focus on how we are different from the sighted, and unless we know how sighted people act, it is easy for us to fall victim to the same biased thinking. For example, I admit I made the same assumption about my own random smiling being due to blindness. I honestly had no idea that it happened to sighted people too, and my sighted family and friends always seemed so amused and surprised when I would randomly smile, like they hadn't seen it before, so I assumed it was due to blindness. This illusory correlation definitely promotes misconceptions and stereotypes. It can also be problematic when parents of blind children assume any delays or weird behavior of their children is due to blindness and so don't check to see if their kids have other disabilities or correctable issues. For example, I know a mother from another list who has a blind son who exhibited several developmental delays, which she believed were caused by his blindness. It wasn't until her son had turned 3 and she attended a conference with other families of blind kids that she realized her son's delays weren't shared by the other children. It turned out he has an additional neurological condition that co-occurred with the gene causing his blindness. Shortly after this diagnosis, she learned that her son had been having silent, untreated seizures in the language center of his brain, causing damage which eventually left him completely nonverbal. I know this mother now wishes that she could have learned about these additional disabilities sooner so that her son could have begun getting the therapies he needed. This is a tragic and extreme example, but there are many times when parents assume their children's difficulties are caused by blindness and, thus, don't address alternative causes of the problems. It can also be tragic when parents or teachers hold low expectations because they assume any failure to reach higher standards is due to blindness and thus insurmountable. I think it is important for both blind and sighted to acknowledge we don't know everything about blindness, and that blindness affects everyone differently. Best, Arielle On 12/2/11, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote: > Tara and others, > > As a former sighted person, trust me, nothing you described is unique to > blind people. The reasoning behind the behavior may be different, but > the behavior itself is not. > > Since becoming blind, it has been very interesting to me to learn how > many blind people think many behaviors and mindsets are unique to > blindness. I think so much of what we do is attributed to our blindness > even though sighted people do the exact same things. When I was sighted, > if I smiled because I was daydreaming, people most likely thought I had > just remembered something happy, or was thinking of a moment that made > me smile. Now as a blind person, if I randomly smile, people may think > it's something blind people do- make random facial expressions. For me, > I'm not making random facial expressions, but am simply having a nice > thought, just like I did when sighted. > > I think when we, blind people, start to attribute to much to blindness, > we are in danger of fueling misconceptions and stereotypes. There are > behaviors some blind people exhibit that is due to never learning how > others do it, which is how most sighted people pick up behaviors, but we > can't always say it's unique to being blind. Even though the friend > didn't quite understand how the angle of her body still made the soda > can visible, we can't necessarily say that had she been sighted, she > would have hid the can better. I've been with plenty of people, sighted, > who have had similar things happen. > > And if a sighted person thinks they don't exhibit similar behavior, they > are an idiot, smile! Nose picking, pulling wedgies out, leaving dog poo > on the ground- no, not everyone is silly enough to do these things in > public, but most of us daydream and will smile or have some "random" > expression; many of us have a different, or goofy, expression for > different things. > > I often have a crooked smile, like the actress Katie Holmes, meaning I > literally will smile with only half of my mouth. Not sure how this works > physically, but trust me, it's how I smile, grin. And I've been grinning > like this for years even when I was sighted. My husband, who was once > sighted too, rarely smiles, and usually looks like my big, mook body > guard though he's actually a big teddy bear. He just doesn't express > much when not in conversation. It probably doesn't help that he usually > is crossing his arms and stands a bit like a body guard, giggle. My > sister never had her teeth correctedm, and she's very self-conscious > about it so she never smiles with her mouth open. She has very thin > lips, and her mouth doesn't curve up when smiling, so when she smiles > with her lips closed, it looks like a straight, thin line across her > face. My dad, brother and sister make this really odd expression when > excited or happy where they squint their eyes, scrunch their faces and > hold their hands up close to their face. They literally aren't aware of > what their doing, and all are sighted. > > I have numerous sighted friends who never pick up after their dogs, > which is gross. And sadly, I've known plenty of people who pick their > nose when the fancy takes them. And of course little kids do all these > things, smile. > > You give me some behavior or expression a blind person does, and I > guarantee I can give you an example of a sighted person who has done, or > does, the same. > > Am I the only former sighted person here? LOL > > Sincerely, > Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter > Read my blog at: > http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ > > "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." > The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 05:10:45 +0000 > From: Tara Annis > To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" > Subject: [nabs-l] blind people being taught social skills > Message-ID: > > <28DEBD505C185140A61A985DCBAB086ACA773B at CH1PRD0402MB102.namprd04.prod.ou > tlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Arielle, I do agree with you that some of the time blind people do > certain "socially unacceptable" things out of lazieness as opposed to > ignorance. Yet, I do know for a fact that the situation I mentioned was > out of ignorance; once I give all the details you guys wil understand. > The picking up after dog situation was where a girl and I were standing > on campus about 20 feet away from a group of about 15 sighted students > smoking. We were in direct line of them, and the girl realizes her dog > has went bathroom, turns to me and says, "hurry up, let's get out of > here before those people see us." She didn't realize that they could > see at that distance. I think the fact they were all talking to each > other made her feel they were not focusing on her as well. This girl > has misunderstood about sight other times as well. She snuck soda into > the movies, so she would not have to pay for the expensive ones at the > theater. The usher came down the row, and she tried to hide the can of > soda, but only covered part of it with her hand. (I can see a little > bit, so saw this for myself.) The usher came up to her and told her to > get rid of it; once he left she turned to me and said, "I don't know how > he could tell I had this soda, I had it covered with my hands!" She > didn't realize that body position and one's angle to objects determines > what can be seen. > > I'm not saying I'm better than her, for the fact I've made social > mistakes. For example, I did not understand that people were always > watching my facial expression. One time in choir my friends told me > they watch me the whole time during this class, instead of what the > teacher was writing on the blackboard, since I made interesting facial > expressions. They told me that everyone in the class except me had a > bored look on their face, but I would randomly smile really big for a > few seconds, then go back to normal, then smile again a few minutes > later. (I found out this is very common; many blind people do this > hwen they are daydreaming. For example, a blind girl I knew would have > these same expressions when she listened to her CD player with the > headphones, since she was in her own world, enjoying the music, and did > not realize people around her were watching her expressions.) > > To let everyone know, though, that sighted people can make these > mistakes as well, probably not as often, but it still happens. For > example, a sighted person told me that a lot of people wil pick their > noses when they are driving in their cars to work. They do not realize > that people in other vehicles aroudn them can see through their > windshield. The nose picker does not realize this because they > cannot imagine the visual perspective of other drivers; they only know > what they are seeing, not what others at different positions are > seeing. > > I totally understand discussing this issue to blind people has to be > done correctly, and I think more research will shed more light on the > proper techniques to use in an advanced social skills class. I feel > that keeping this information could cause more damage, though, > especially for issues that canbe fixed without much hassle. Also, > research needs to be conducted to determine statistically which > behaviors are considered extremely negative. Some of them are > universal, as I said in the last message, such as masturbation in > public. Everyone will agree that this behaviour should not happen, and > the blind person doing it should be alerted, taught how to fix the > issue, since continuing to do it would keep him from making friends > or getting a job. Most would agree tha tnot telling him about would > hurt him more in the long run. > This research could also benefit sighted, since it would show where the > public is lacking in understanding of disability, and more etiquette > training to address these gaps in understanding could be fixed. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From aec732 at msn.com Sat Dec 3 18:53:47 2011 From: aec732 at msn.com (Annemarie Cooke) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 13:53:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] cooking technique? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey NABSters, I will be working with a totally blind culinary student and need to find a way for him to do liquid measuring. Dry ingredients are no problem but liquid measure is different -- how do you who cook measure liquids for recipes? Thanks for any assistance. Annemarie Cooke From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 19:10:19 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 14:10:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] cooking technique? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey, I use a measuring cup for dry things and put it on a plate and poor till it gets to the top. if any spills over which very little might sometimes, and a lot will when your first lerning, then you can either poor it back in or down the drain. Then you might have a larger container like a bowl or something that you will pick up and hold just below the counter and up aginst it and then slowly slide the measuring cup to the edge then tip it over in to the bowl and then poor it from the bowl in to whatever it needs to go. This is if they can't pick it up and take it to wherever without dumping it. If you have a liquid measureing cup with lines that are raised in the inside of it, then they can feel for the line, keep their finger on it and poor until it gets to their finger and equal to the line. I have cooked enough now that if I am pooring in to a spoon I can hold it in the air and poor to fill it up without spilling, then transfer it to whereever. If they have not done this before, you can tell them to practice outside of class over and in the sink with water. I use dry measuring cupsinstead of liquids because I only have one liquid cup and it does not have lines inside it that you can fill. The difference with using the liquid and the dry for those who don't know is if you use liquid in a dry cup, your more likley to spill it. There is no difference in the measuring. On 12/3/11, Annemarie Cooke wrote: > > Hey NABSters, I will be working with a totally blind culinary student and > need to find a way for him to do liquid measuring. Dry ingredients are no > problem but liquid measure is different -- how do you who cook measure > liquids for recipes? Thanks for any assistance. > Annemarie Cooke > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 19:14:31 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 14:14:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] board games In-Reply-To: <9CAFC5150CB3471B9F4077B62A91C6CA@btggjgjwgas> References: <0CE41E6592CF44F5AA6407F935FA9D01@OwnerPC> <9CAFC5150CB3471B9F4077B62A91C6CA@btggjgjwgas> Message-ID: They also sell this wax sticks that my school would put on the lines so you could find the lines, or hot glew the lines. Yes you could use a brailler or a slate and stylus to write on the cards. I perfer a slate and stylus. Then put braille lables on the board where its needed. You could use stickers like stars or something to mark the squares too for an alternitive and cheeper method. On 12/2/11, trising at sbcglobal.net wrote: > My parents adapted it for me when I was a teenager. The cards can be rolled > into a Perkins Brailler and Brailled. A dot of hot glue can be put on every > square so you can move your person. A Braille label can be put in every room > in the mansion. That is really all that is necessary. > > Terri Wilcox > Secretary, National Federation of the Blind of Michigan > Ann Arbor Chapter President > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 1591 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Dec 3 20:07:32 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 14:07:32 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] board games In-Reply-To: References: <0CE41E6592CF44F5AA6407F935FA9D01@OwnerPC> <9CAFC5150CB3471B9F4077B62A91C6CA@btggjgjwgas> Message-ID: I had a Brailled Chess game, when I was in high school. There's a company that sells this, along with Braille Uno cards. I'd try the NFB's Endependence market, and see if they have accessible board games. Lea: Will you be at convention, next year? Please E-mail me offlist. Thanks, Joshua On 12/3/11, Lea williams wrote: > They also sell this wax sticks that my school would put on the lines > so you could find the lines, or hot glew the lines. Yes you could use > a brailler or a slate and stylus to write on the cards. I perfer a > slate and stylus. Then put braille lables on the board where its > needed. You could use stickers like stars or something to mark the > squares too for an alternitive and cheeper method. > > On 12/2/11, trising at sbcglobal.net wrote: >> My parents adapted it for me when I was a teenager. The cards can be >> rolled >> into a Perkins Brailler and Brailled. A dot of hot glue can be put on >> every >> square so you can move your person. A Braille label can be put in every >> room >> in the mansion. That is really all that is necessary. >> >> Terri Wilcox >> Secretary, National Federation of the Blind of Michigan >> Ann Arbor Chapter President >> >> >> -- >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >> We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. >> SPAMfighter has removed 1591 of my spam emails to date. >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >> The Professional version does not have this message >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 20:15:35 2011 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 15:15:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] cooking technique? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I love to cook and do a lot of it. I've tried a few different techniques for measuring liquid, and some work better than others. Most often, I'll locate the correct line on a measuring cup that has the lines raised on the inside, and simply feel with a clean finger when the liquid I'm pouring reaches the line. If you're not comfortable doing this, or if I'm cooking in front of guests who might not appreciate fingers in the food, clean or not, I measure liquids in dry measuring cups over a shallow bowl, and pour any excess back into the container, or down the drain if there's only a tiny bit. -Jamie On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Lea williams wrote: > Hey, I use a measuring cup for dry things and put it on a plate and > poor till it gets to the top. if any spills over which very little > might sometimes, and a lot will when your first lerning, then you can > either poor it back in or down the drain. Then you might have a larger > container like a bowl or something that you will pick up and hold just > below the counter and up aginst it and then slowly slide the measuring > cup to the edge then tip it over in to the bowl and then poor it from > the bowl in to whatever it needs to go. This is if they can't pick it > up and take it to wherever without dumping it. If you have a liquid > measureing cup with lines that are raised in the inside of it, then > they can feel for the line, keep their finger on it and poor until it > gets to their finger and equal to the line. I have cooked enough now > that if I am pooring in to a spoon I can hold it in the air and poor > to fill it up without spilling, then transfer it to whereever. If they > have not done this before, you can tell them to practice outside of > class over and in the sink with water. > I use dry measuring cupsinstead of liquids because I only have one > liquid cup and it does not have lines inside it that you can fill. The > difference with using the liquid and the dry for those who don't know > is if you use liquid in a dry cup, your more likley to spill it. There > is no difference in the measuring. > > On 12/3/11, Annemarie Cooke wrote: > > > > Hey NABSters, I will be working with a totally blind culinary student and > > need to find a way for him to do liquid measuring. Dry ingredients are no > > problem but liquid measure is different -- how do you who cook measure > > liquids for recipes? Thanks for any assistance. > > Annemarie Cooke > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > From kramc11 at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 20:16:49 2011 From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 15:16:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] cooking technique? References: Message-ID: <220A8C1FB22A410DBF3D86EFC042CF44@cadiganpc> Perhaps you could ask this question on the blind cooks list. When I measure liquid ingredients in cooking, I simply use a measuring cup that when filled to the brim equals the amount I am measuring. I place this cup on a jelly role pan, (cookie sheet with edges) so in case of an accidental spill it is contained. For measuring spoon sizes, I have a set of measuring spoons that are bent so that I can dip them into the liquid I am measuring and sort of scoop it out like ladling soup. Hope this helps, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Annemarie Cooke" To: Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 1:53 PM Subject: [nabs-l] cooking technique? > > Hey NABSters, I will be working with a totally blind culinary student and > need to find a way for him to do liquid measuring. Dry ingredients are no > problem but liquid measure is different -- how do you who cook measure > liquids for recipes? Thanks for any assistance. > Annemarie Cooke > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 00:19:39 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:19:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] board games In-Reply-To: References: <0CE41E6592CF44F5AA6407F935FA9D01@OwnerPC> <9CAFC5150CB3471B9F4077B62A91C6CA@btggjgjwgas> Message-ID: Josh, National? No. I am busy next summer. others, you can get games off of that sight I gave you or of course many others. I use to have checkers, conect four, battle ship, uno, regular deck of cards, tick tack toe, chinese checkers and chest. The bad part of it all was that I had no one other than a nine years younger cousin to play with. She only knew how to play tick tack toe and uno. On 12/3/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > I had a Brailled Chess game, when I was in high school. > There's a company that sells this, along with Braille Uno cards. > I'd try the NFB's Endependence market, and see if they have accessible > board games. > Lea: > Will you be at convention, next year? > Please E-mail me offlist. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 12/3/11, Lea williams wrote: >> They also sell this wax sticks that my school would put on the lines >> so you could find the lines, or hot glew the lines. Yes you could use >> a brailler or a slate and stylus to write on the cards. I perfer a >> slate and stylus. Then put braille lables on the board where its >> needed. You could use stickers like stars or something to mark the >> squares too for an alternitive and cheeper method. >> >> On 12/2/11, trising at sbcglobal.net wrote: >>> My parents adapted it for me when I was a teenager. The cards can be >>> rolled >>> into a Perkins Brailler and Brailled. A dot of hot glue can be put on >>> every >>> square so you can move your person. A Braille label can be put in every >>> room >>> in the mansion. That is really all that is necessary. >>> >>> Terri Wilcox >>> Secretary, National Federation of the Blind of Michigan >>> Ann Arbor Chapter President >>> >>> >>> -- >>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >>> We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. >>> SPAMfighter has removed 1591 of my spam emails to date. >>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >>> >>> The Professional version does not have this message >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Lea Williams >> >> Phone; >> 704-732-4470 >> Skipe; >> Lea.williams738 >> Facebook >> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Dec 4 00:53:17 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 18:53:17 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] board games In-Reply-To: References: <0CE41E6592CF44F5AA6407F935FA9D01@OwnerPC> <9CAFC5150CB3471B9F4077B62A91C6CA@btggjgjwgas> Message-ID: That's too bad! I was hoping for a chess tournament, between blind people, at the convention. Maybe not something in front of an audience, but for friends that know how to play, to get together, as something else to do, besides the same old, lame old stuff, after the sessions. I say, "Lame Old," because I didn't really care for sitting in the motel room, bored on Friday night, before the Saturday sessions started. Blessings, Joshua On 12/3/11, Lea williams wrote: > Josh, National? No. > I am busy next summer. > > others, > you can get games off of that sight I gave you or of course many others. > I use to have checkers, conect four, battle ship, uno, regular deck of > cards, tick tack toe, chinese checkers and chest. The bad part of it > all was that I had no one other than a nine years younger cousin to > play with. She only knew how to play tick tack toe and uno. > > On 12/3/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I had a Brailled Chess game, when I was in high school. >> There's a company that sells this, along with Braille Uno cards. >> I'd try the NFB's Endependence market, and see if they have accessible >> board games. >> Lea: >> Will you be at convention, next year? >> Please E-mail me offlist. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 12/3/11, Lea williams wrote: >>> They also sell this wax sticks that my school would put on the lines >>> so you could find the lines, or hot glew the lines. Yes you could use >>> a brailler or a slate and stylus to write on the cards. I perfer a >>> slate and stylus. Then put braille lables on the board where its >>> needed. You could use stickers like stars or something to mark the >>> squares too for an alternitive and cheeper method. >>> >>> On 12/2/11, trising at sbcglobal.net wrote: >>>> My parents adapted it for me when I was a teenager. The cards can be >>>> rolled >>>> into a Perkins Brailler and Brailled. A dot of hot glue can be put on >>>> every >>>> square so you can move your person. A Braille label can be put in every >>>> room >>>> in the mansion. That is really all that is necessary. >>>> >>>> Terri Wilcox >>>> Secretary, National Federation of the Blind of Michigan >>>> Ann Arbor Chapter President >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >>>> We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. >>>> SPAMfighter has removed 1591 of my spam emails to date. >>>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >>>> >>>> The Professional version does not have this message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Lea Williams >>> >>> Phone; >>> 704-732-4470 >>> Skipe; >>> Lea.williams738 >>> Facebook >>> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 02:18:29 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 21:18:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] board games In-Reply-To: References: <0CE41E6592CF44F5AA6407F935FA9D01@OwnerPC> <9CAFC5150CB3471B9F4077B62A91C6CA@btggjgjwgas> Message-ID: hey better than a board game, There are a couple of web cliants I get on and you can play uno, yahtzee black jack, chest and so many others. One is called RS games http://www.rsgames.org/ and another is called The Playroom. http://www.qcsalon.net/ With the playroom, if you do not use this link and want to go to the homepage some time, you have to google the playroom in english or other wise you get the french version. I hope you find these websites fun, I love to play on them. The website with the braille super store. in http://www.braillebookstore.com/ On 12/3/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > That's too bad! > I was hoping for a chess tournament, between blind people, at the > convention. > Maybe not something in front of an audience, but for friends that know > how to play, to get together, as something else to do, besides the > same old, lame old stuff, after the sessions. > I say, "Lame Old," because I didn't really care for sitting in the > motel room, bored on Friday night, before the Saturday sessions > started. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/3/11, Lea williams wrote: >> Josh, National? No. >> I am busy next summer. >> >> others, >> you can get games off of that sight I gave you or of course many others. >> I use to have checkers, conect four, battle ship, uno, regular deck of >> cards, tick tack toe, chinese checkers and chest. The bad part of it >> all was that I had no one other than a nine years younger cousin to >> play with. She only knew how to play tick tack toe and uno. >> >> On 12/3/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> I had a Brailled Chess game, when I was in high school. >>> There's a company that sells this, along with Braille Uno cards. >>> I'd try the NFB's Endependence market, and see if they have accessible >>> board games. >>> Lea: >>> Will you be at convention, next year? >>> Please E-mail me offlist. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 12/3/11, Lea williams wrote: >>>> They also sell this wax sticks that my school would put on the lines >>>> so you could find the lines, or hot glew the lines. Yes you could use >>>> a brailler or a slate and stylus to write on the cards. I perfer a >>>> slate and stylus. Then put braille lables on the board where its >>>> needed. You could use stickers like stars or something to mark the >>>> squares too for an alternitive and cheeper method. >>>> >>>> On 12/2/11, trising at sbcglobal.net wrote: >>>>> My parents adapted it for me when I was a teenager. The cards can be >>>>> rolled >>>>> into a Perkins Brailler and Brailled. A dot of hot glue can be put on >>>>> every >>>>> square so you can move your person. A Braille label can be put in every >>>>> room >>>>> in the mansion. That is really all that is necessary. >>>>> >>>>> Terri Wilcox >>>>> Secretary, National Federation of the Blind of Michigan >>>>> Ann Arbor Chapter President >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >>>>> We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. >>>>> SPAMfighter has removed 1591 of my spam emails to date. >>>>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >>>>> >>>>> The Professional version does not have this message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Lea Williams >>>> >>>> Phone; >>>> 704-732-4470 >>>> Skipe; >>>> Lea.williams738 >>>> Facebook >>>> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Lea Williams >> >> Phone; >> 704-732-4470 >> Skipe; >> Lea.williams738 >> Facebook >> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 02:29:43 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 19:29:43 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] freedom science fiction (Freedom Scientific) question Message-ID: <4edadb1f.2405b60a.4b47.ffff932f@mx.google.com> Hi, guys. I just had a question. See, my computer needs to be upgraded, and I wanted to know. Is JAWS 10 capable of running on Windows 7 optimally and with 64 bits? Otherwise, what are the requirements for getting a JAWS upgrade? I also want to know that if I only have one key left, is it for JAWs one level up0 or can I skip a few levels? I have 10, and only one key left. I would like to get 13, but how can I do that without Rehab being a bunch of jerks as most state agencies are about FS products before you get a "service plan." Any ideas would be nice. Beth From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 02:54:22 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:54:22 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] cooking technique? In-Reply-To: <220A8C1FB22A410DBF3D86EFC042CF44@cadiganpc> References: <220A8C1FB22A410DBF3D86EFC042CF44@cadiganpc> Message-ID: Hi Annemarie, I think all the suggestions above are good ones. I use a standard nested set of measuring cups (1/4, 1/3, 1/2 and 1-cup nested inside each other so I know which is which) and I use these for all my measuring, dry or liquid. Then I just fill to the top, doing it over the sink or a bowl as suggested above. It is important to try to do the measuring right next to the container you're putting the liquid into, so you won't spill while carrying the full measuring cup. You can also transfer some liquids into small plastic water bottles and store them that way, and then to pour out from the bottle, lift the cap, tip the bottle over and squeeze the liquid into the measuring cup. The liquid comes out slowly which is especially helpful for things that are harder to feel, such as oil. I learned this trick from my boyfriend who learned it from his mom, so it's not even a blindness thing, but it works. On 12/3/11, Mark J. Cadigan wrote: > Perhaps you could ask this question on the blind cooks list. When I measure > liquid ingredients in cooking, I simply use a measuring cup that when filled > to the brim equals the amount I am measuring. I place this cup on a jelly > role pan, (cookie sheet with edges) so in case of an accidental spill it is > contained. For measuring spoon sizes, I have a set of measuring spoons that > are bent so that I can dip them into the liquid I am measuring and sort of > scoop it out like ladling soup. > > > > Hope this helps, > > Mark > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Annemarie Cooke" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 1:53 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] cooking technique? > > >> >> Hey NABSters, I will be working with a totally blind culinary student and >> need to find a way for him to do liquid measuring. Dry ingredients are no >> problem but liquid measure is different -- how do you who cook measure >> liquids for recipes? Thanks for any assistance. >> Annemarie Cooke >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From isaiah5719 at mchsi.com Sun Dec 4 03:24:52 2011 From: isaiah5719 at mchsi.com (Loren Wakefield) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 21:24:52 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] freedom science fiction (Freedom Scientific) question In-Reply-To: <4edadb1f.2405b60a.4b47.ffff932f@mx.google.com> References: <4edadb1f.2405b60a.4b47.ffff932f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9DE8B0E6BEDB4B35935F3F3465BE39EF@LorenPC> It is my understanding that you need at least jaws 12 for windows 7 and 64 byt. 13 just came out. -----Original Message----- From: Beth Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 8:29 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] freedom science fiction (Freedom Scientific) question Hi, guys. I just had a question. See, my computer needs to be upgraded, and I wanted to know. Is JAWS 10 capable of running on Windows 7 optimally and with 64 bits? Otherwise, what are the requirements for getting a JAWS upgrade? I also want to know that if I only have one key left, is it for JAWs one level up0 or can I skip a few levels? I have 10, and only one key left. I would like to get 13, but how can I do that without Rehab being a bunch of jerks as most state agencies are about FS products before you get a "service plan." Any ideas would be nice. Beth _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/isaiah5719%40mchsi.com From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 03:28:26 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 20:28:26 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] freedom science fiction (Freedom Scientific) question Message-ID: <4edae8e2.41bce70a.5c2a.1ef0@mx.google.com> Am I eligible for 12 or 11 with only one key left though? Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loren Wakefield" References: Message-ID: Probably similar to measuring dry ingredients. You can put liquids in wide-mouthed containers and dip out small amounts. For a cup or larger amounts pour into the measuring device, which you hold over an empty bowl which will catch excess. Cooking questions can be asked on blind-cooks, http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-cooks_nfbnet.org Finally, at the risk of being a wise guy, one has to wonder how good a cook this guy will make if he can't figure out some alternative techniques for himself. Sorry if that is out of line, but had to say! Dave At 12:53 PM 12/3/2011, you wrote: >Hey NABSters, I will be working with a totally blind culinary >student and need to find a way for him to do liquid measuring. Dry >ingredients are no problem but liquid measure is different -- how do >you who cook measure liquids for recipes? Thanks for any assistance. >Annemarie Cooke From dandrews at visi.com Sun Dec 4 03:55:40 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 21:55:40 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] freedom science fiction (Freedom Scientific) question In-Reply-To: <4edae8e2.41bce70a.5c2a.1ef0@mx.google.com> References: <4edae8e2.41bce70a.5c2a.1ef0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Keys have nothing to do with upgrades, or how many you have left. To see how many upgrades you have left, do an insert-j to get to JAWS, up arrow twice to about and hit enter, it will tell you if you have any left. If you have one you can upgrade one number, 12 to 13 for example. The upgrade uses your existing key, so no key is used. Dave At 09:28 PM 12/3/2011, you wrote: >Am I eligible for 12 or 11 with only one key left though? >Beth > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Loren Wakefield" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Date sent: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 21:24:52 -0600 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freedom science fiction (Freedom Scientific) question > >It is my understanding that you need at least jaws 12 for windows 7 and 64 >byt. 13 just came out. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Beth >Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 8:29 PM >To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >Subject: [nabs-l] freedom science fiction (Freedom Scientific) question > >Hi, guys. I just had a question. See, my computer needs to be >upgraded, and I wanted to know. Is JAWS 10 capable of running on >Windows 7 optimally and with 64 bits? Otherwise, what are the >requirements for getting a JAWS upgrade? I also want to know >that if I only have one key left, is it for JAWs one level up0 or >can I skip a few levels? I have 10, and only one key left. I >would like to get 13, but how can I do that without Rehab being a >bunch of jerks as most state agencies are about FS products >before you get a "service plan." Any ideas would be nice. >Beth From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 03:59:19 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 20:59:19 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] freedom science fiction (Freedom Scientific) question Message-ID: <4edaf01f.a820b60a.46d0.563f@mx.google.com> So I can only go from 10 to 11? Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: David Andrews References: Message-ID: Dave, your way works but it just makes extra unneeded dirty dishes. And yes you were being rood as hell. This other person just asked a simple question on how to adapt things for a student. Keep your wise shit to your self if you want to answer a person's question. I have seen so many people on this list tear one another apart for just asking a question, and I thought that this is what these lists were created for. To ask for help and advice from other blind or visually impaired peoples. Now to the more important part of this email. On a liquid measuring cup, there are marks going up the side of the cup. You could use something to carve a certain number of lines per measure. for example, 1 line for a fourth, 2 for a third, 3 for a half, and 4 for a whole cup. There are also some brailed measuring sets on blindmicemeggamall.com These sets are rather expensive, but I myself would get them if I could. They are worth the investment. There are also some print liquid measuring cups that have raised lines on them. You could also use dimo tape to braille up some numbers to stick on each line of the cup. Hope these suggestions help. I wish you luck. No one should be kept from cooking if it can be adapted. -----Original Message----- From: David Andrews Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 10:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking technique? Probably similar to measuring dry ingredients. You can put liquids in wide-mouthed containers and dip out small amounts. For a cup or larger amounts pour into the measuring device, which you hold over an empty bowl which will catch excess. Cooking questions can be asked on blind-cooks, http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-cooks_nfbnet.org Finally, at the risk of being a wise guy, one has to wonder how good a cook this guy will make if he can't figure out some alternative techniques for himself. Sorry if that is out of line, but had to say! Dave At 12:53 PM 12/3/2011, you wrote: >Hey NABSters, I will be working with a totally blind culinary student and >need to find a way for him to do liquid measuring. Dry ingredients are no >problem but liquid measure is different -- how do you who cook measure >liquids for recipes? Thanks for any assistance. >Annemarie Cooke _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Dec 4 05:34:08 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 00:34:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] cooking technique? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frando, He was not rude. Further he is the list owner; be careful. He did answer the question but he pointed out blind cooks as people don't know about that list. That is the point of having separate lists. Ocasional questions are fine about cooking or other stuff. But uh, it was just a suggestion to ask on that list. Finally please do not use profanity! -----Original Message----- From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 12:26 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking technique? Dave, your way works but it just makes extra unneeded dirty dishes. And yes you were being rood as hell. This other person just asked a simple question on how to adapt things for a student. Keep your wise shit to your self if you want to answer a person's question. I have seen so many people on this list tear one another apart for just asking a question, and I thought that this is what these lists were created for. To ask for help and advice from other blind or visually impaired peoples. Now to the more important part of this email. On a liquid measuring cup, there are marks going up the side of the cup. You could use something to carve a certain number of lines per measure. for example, 1 line for a fourth, 2 for a third, 3 for a half, and 4 for a whole cup. There are also some brailed measuring sets on blindmicemeggamall.com These sets are rather expensive, but I myself would get them if I could. They are worth the investment. There are also some print liquid measuring cups that have raised lines on them. You could also use dimo tape to braille up some numbers to stick on each line of the cup. Hope these suggestions help. I wish you luck. No one should be kept from cooking if it can be adapted. -----Original Message----- From: David Andrews Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 10:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking technique? Probably similar to measuring dry ingredients. You can put liquids in wide-mouthed containers and dip out small amounts. For a cup or larger amounts pour into the measuring device, which you hold over an empty bowl which will catch excess. Cooking questions can be asked on blind-cooks, http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-cooks_nfbnet.org Finally, at the risk of being a wise guy, one has to wonder how good a cook this guy will make if he can't figure out some alternative techniques for himself. Sorry if that is out of line, but had to say! Dave At 12:53 PM 12/3/2011, you wrote: >Hey NABSters, I will be working with a totally blind culinary student and >need to find a way for him to do liquid measuring. Dry ingredients are no >problem but liquid measure is different -- how do you who cook measure >liquids for recipes? Thanks for any assistance. >Annemarie Cooke _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sun Dec 4 05:41:51 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 23:41:51 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] cooking technique? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's Frandi. People do that to me, to. I get called Jonathan, Jason, Justin, and all kinds of stuff. Can you believe it? Someone even called me jerome! Get it right! Blessings, Joshua On 12/3/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Frando, > He was not rude. Further he is the list owner; be careful. He did answer the > question but he pointed out blind cooks as people don't know about that > list. > That is the point of having separate lists. Ocasional questions are fine > about cooking or other stuff. > But uh, it was just a suggestion to ask on that list. Finally please do not > use profanity! > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 12:26 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking technique? > > Dave, your way works but it just makes extra unneeded dirty dishes. And yes > you were being rood as hell. This other person just asked a simple question > on how to adapt things for a student. Keep your wise shit to your self if > you want to answer a person's question. I have seen so many people on this > list tear one another apart for just asking a question, and I thought that > this is what these lists were created for. To ask for help and advice from > other blind or visually impaired peoples. Now to the more important part of > this email. > On a liquid measuring cup, there are marks going up the side of the cup. > You could use something to carve a certain number of lines per measure. for > example, 1 line for a fourth, 2 for a third, 3 for a half, and 4 for a whole > cup. There are also some brailed measuring sets on > blindmicemeggamall.com > These sets are rather expensive, but I myself would get them if I could. > They are worth the investment. There are also some print liquid measuring > cups that have raised lines on them. You could also use dimo tape to > braille up some numbers to stick on each line of the cup. Hope these > suggestions help. I wish you luck. No one should be kept from cooking if > it can be adapted. > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Andrews > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 10:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking technique? > > Probably similar to measuring dry ingredients. You can put liquids > in wide-mouthed containers and dip out small amounts. For a cup or > larger amounts pour into the measuring device, which you hold over an > empty bowl which will catch excess. > > Cooking questions can be asked on blind-cooks, > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-cooks_nfbnet.org > > Finally, at the risk of being a wise guy, one has to wonder how good > a cook this guy will make if he can't figure out some alternative > techniques for himself. > > Sorry if that is out of line, but had to say! > > Dave > > At 12:53 PM 12/3/2011, you wrote: > >>Hey NABSters, I will be working with a totally blind culinary student and >>need to find a way for him to do liquid measuring. Dry ingredients are no >>problem but liquid measure is different -- how do you who cook measure >>liquids for recipes? Thanks for any assistance. >>Annemarie Cooke > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dandrews at visi.com Sun Dec 4 05:51:40 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:51:40 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] cooking technique? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please do not lecture me about what is proper on this list, and what isn't. I run all the NFB lists and have done so since 1991. Also, while I am not offended, we have list members who are offended by profanity, so keep your four letter words to yourself. I did give advice, and acknowledge that there are other methods, I don't actually bother with the bowl usually, just know it as a valid method. I also think I raised a valid point. If someone wants to learn about x and do x as a career, and he can't figure out any of its alternative techniques -- then one has to wonder how well suited he is to pursue x. Yes this, and our other lists are places to ask questions, seek advice, learn etc., but like most things, it can get more complicated. David Andrews, List Owner At 11:26 PM 12/3/2011, you wrote: >Dave, your way works but it just makes extra unneeded dirty >dishes. And yes you were being rood as hell. This other person >just asked a simple question on how to adapt things for a >student. Keep your wise shit to your self if you want to answer a >person's question. I have seen so many people on this list tear one >another apart for just asking a question, and I thought that this is >what these lists were created for. To ask for help and advice from >other blind or visually impaired peoples. Now to the more important >part of this email. >On a liquid measuring cup, there are marks going up the side of the >cup. You could use something to carve a certain number of lines per >measure. for example, 1 line for a fourth, 2 for a third, 3 for a >half, and 4 for a whole cup. There are also some brailed measuring sets on >blindmicemeggamall.com >These sets are rather expensive, but I myself would get them if I >could. They are worth the investment. There are also some print >liquid measuring cups that have raised lines on them. You could >also use dimo tape to braille up some numbers to stick on each line >of the cup. Hope these suggestions help. I wish you luck. No one >should be kept from cooking if it can be adapted. > >-----Original Message----- From: David Andrews >Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 10:50 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] cooking technique? > >Probably similar to measuring dry ingredients. You can put liquids >in wide-mouthed containers and dip out small amounts. For a cup or >larger amounts pour into the measuring device, which you hold over an >empty bowl which will catch excess. > >Cooking questions can be asked on blind-cooks, >http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-cooks_nfbnet.org > >Finally, at the risk of being a wise guy, one has to wonder how good >a cook this guy will make if he can't figure out some alternative >techniques for himself. > >Sorry if that is out of line, but had to say! > >Dave > >At 12:53 PM 12/3/2011, you wrote: > >>Hey NABSters, I will be working with a totally blind culinary >>student and need to find a way for him to do liquid measuring. Dry >>ingredients are no problem but liquid measure is different -- how >>do you who cook measure liquids for recipes? Thanks for any assistance. >>Annemarie Cooke From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 22:33:32 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 15:33:32 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] RoboBraille Message-ID: Hi all, I just wanted to thank Vejas for telling us about the RoboBraille resource. I just used it to convert three scanned PDF articles I had into accessible Word documents. It did a very good job, I had each article within 5 min and the OCR quality was very good. This could be an excellent money-saving resource for blind college students who don't have the funds to purchase Kurzweil or Open Book. Plus if you want to scan something yourself but don't have OCR software, you can scan it, print to PDF and then send the PDF to RoboBraille to have it converted to Word. For those of you who missed Vejas's post: To convert a PDF document to Word simply send it as an email attachment to convert at robobraille.org and put doc in the subject line. Best, Arielle From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Dec 4 23:05:18 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 18:05:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] board games In-Reply-To: References: <0CE41E6592CF44F5AA6407F935FA9D01@OwnerPC><9CAFC5150CB3471B9F4077B62A91C6CA@btggjgjwgas> Message-ID: <169388A76795452E8EF321B4008ADD52@OwnerPC> but playing cards or a board game can be done with people and its fun. I am glad that uno exists on the computer for those who want it and I might try it too for solitary entertainment. But playing at a table with friends or family is fun and a great way to spend time together. -----Original Message----- From: Lea williams Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 9:18 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] board games hey better than a board game, There are a couple of web cliants I get on and you can play uno, yahtzee black jack, chest and so many others. One is called RS games http://www.rsgames.org/ and another is called The Playroom. http://www.qcsalon.net/ With the playroom, if you do not use this link and want to go to the homepage some time, you have to google the playroom in english or other wise you get the french version. I hope you find these websites fun, I love to play on them. The website with the braille super store. in http://www.braillebookstore.com/ On 12/3/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > That's too bad! > I was hoping for a chess tournament, between blind people, at the > convention. > Maybe not something in front of an audience, but for friends that know > how to play, to get together, as something else to do, besides the > same old, lame old stuff, after the sessions. > I say, "Lame Old," because I didn't really care for sitting in the > motel room, bored on Friday night, before the Saturday sessions > started. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/3/11, Lea williams wrote: >> Josh, National? No. >> I am busy next summer. >> >> others, >> you can get games off of that sight I gave you or of course many others. >> I use to have checkers, conect four, battle ship, uno, regular deck of >> cards, tick tack toe, chinese checkers and chest. The bad part of it >> all was that I had no one other than a nine years younger cousin to >> play with. She only knew how to play tick tack toe and uno. >> >> On 12/3/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> I had a Brailled Chess game, when I was in high school. >>> There's a company that sells this, along with Braille Uno cards. >>> I'd try the NFB's Endependence market, and see if they have accessible >>> board games. >>> Lea: >>> Will you be at convention, next year? >>> Please E-mail me offlist. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 12/3/11, Lea williams wrote: >>>> They also sell this wax sticks that my school would put on the lines >>>> so you could find the lines, or hot glew the lines. Yes you could use >>>> a brailler or a slate and stylus to write on the cards. I perfer a >>>> slate and stylus. Then put braille lables on the board where its >>>> needed. You could use stickers like stars or something to mark the >>>> squares too for an alternitive and cheeper method. >>>> >>>> On 12/2/11, trising at sbcglobal.net wrote: >>>>> My parents adapted it for me when I was a teenager. The cards can be >>>>> rolled >>>>> into a Perkins Brailler and Brailled. A dot of hot glue can be put on >>>>> every >>>>> square so you can move your person. A Braille label can be put in >>>>> every >>>>> room >>>>> in the mansion. That is really all that is necessary. >>>>> >>>>> Terri Wilcox >>>>> Secretary, National Federation of the Blind of Michigan >>>>> Ann Arbor Chapter President >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >>>>> We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. >>>>> SPAMfighter has removed 1591 of my spam emails to date. >>>>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >>>>> >>>>> The Professional version does not have this message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Lea Williams >>>> >>>> Phone; >>>> 704-732-4470 >>>> Skipe; >>>> Lea.williams738 >>>> Facebook >>>> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Lea Williams >> >> Phone; >> 704-732-4470 >> Skipe; >> Lea.williams738 >> Facebook >> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 23:19:31 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 18:19:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] board games In-Reply-To: <169388A76795452E8EF321B4008ADD52@OwnerPC> References: <0CE41E6592CF44F5AA6407F935FA9D01@OwnerPC> <9CAFC5150CB3471B9F4077B62A91C6CA@btggjgjwgas> <169388A76795452E8EF321B4008ADD52@OwnerPC> Message-ID: the games on the computer I posted about you do play with others. You log in with a user name and account and you can play with others and chat with them too. If your friends with them you can get on skype and talk with them while you play. It is not a one on self game unless you play with a bott. On 12/4/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > but playing cards or a board game can be done with people and its fun. I am > glad that uno exists on the computer for those who want it and I might try > it too for solitary entertainment. But playing at a table with friends or > family is fun and a great way to spend time together. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lea williams > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 9:18 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] board games > > hey better than a board game, There are a couple of web cliants I get > on and you can play uno, yahtzee black jack, chest and so many others. > One is called > RS games > http://www.rsgames.org/ > > and another is called > The Playroom. > http://www.qcsalon.net/ > > With the playroom, if you do not use this link and want to go to the > homepage some time, you have to google > the playroom in english > or other wise you get the french version. > I hope you find these websites fun, I love to play on them. > The website with the braille super store. in > http://www.braillebookstore.com/ > > On 12/3/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> That's too bad! >> I was hoping for a chess tournament, between blind people, at the >> convention. >> Maybe not something in front of an audience, but for friends that know >> how to play, to get together, as something else to do, besides the >> same old, lame old stuff, after the sessions. >> I say, "Lame Old," because I didn't really care for sitting in the >> motel room, bored on Friday night, before the Saturday sessions >> started. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/3/11, Lea williams wrote: >>> Josh, National? No. >>> I am busy next summer. >>> >>> others, >>> you can get games off of that sight I gave you or of course many others. >>> I use to have checkers, conect four, battle ship, uno, regular deck of >>> cards, tick tack toe, chinese checkers and chest. The bad part of it >>> all was that I had no one other than a nine years younger cousin to >>> play with. She only knew how to play tick tack toe and uno. >>> >>> On 12/3/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> I had a Brailled Chess game, when I was in high school. >>>> There's a company that sells this, along with Braille Uno cards. >>>> I'd try the NFB's Endependence market, and see if they have accessible >>>> board games. >>>> Lea: >>>> Will you be at convention, next year? >>>> Please E-mail me offlist. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 12/3/11, Lea williams wrote: >>>>> They also sell this wax sticks that my school would put on the lines >>>>> so you could find the lines, or hot glew the lines. Yes you could use >>>>> a brailler or a slate and stylus to write on the cards. I perfer a >>>>> slate and stylus. Then put braille lables on the board where its >>>>> needed. You could use stickers like stars or something to mark the >>>>> squares too for an alternitive and cheeper method. >>>>> >>>>> On 12/2/11, trising at sbcglobal.net wrote: >>>>>> My parents adapted it for me when I was a teenager. The cards can be >>>>>> rolled >>>>>> into a Perkins Brailler and Brailled. A dot of hot glue can be put on >>>>>> every >>>>>> square so you can move your person. A Braille label can be put in >>>>>> every >>>>>> room >>>>>> in the mansion. That is really all that is necessary. >>>>>> >>>>>> Terri Wilcox >>>>>> Secretary, National Federation of the Blind of Michigan >>>>>> Ann Arbor Chapter President >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >>>>>> We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. >>>>>> SPAMfighter has removed 1591 of my spam emails to date. >>>>>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >>>>>> >>>>>> The Professional version does not have this message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Lea Williams >>>>> >>>>> Phone; >>>>> 704-732-4470 >>>>> Skipe; >>>>> Lea.williams738 >>>>> Facebook >>>>> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Lea Williams >>> >>> Phone; >>> 704-732-4470 >>> Skipe; >>> Lea.williams738 >>> Facebook >>> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 00:58:01 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 19:58:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA 2011.3 Released! Message-ID: <4edc1753.c9cae00a.1cff.ffffe868@mx.google.com> Oh cool! Well, hey, it's free, so I might download it! I use JAWS as well, but NVDA might be a good backup. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Chao wrote: Thanks for sharing. I will download now. I use JAWS, but this has been my temporary screen reader in case something goes wrong. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 7:32 PM To: kevinchao89 Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA 2011.3 Released! http://www.nvda-project.org/blog/NVDA2011.3Released NV Access is pleased to announce that NVDA 2011.3 has been released. This release has been declared stable, which means it is suitable for production use and is recommended for most users. Highlights of NVDA 2011.3 include automatic speech language switching when reading documents with appropriate language information; support for 64 bit Java Runtime Environments; reporting of text formatting in browse mode in Mozilla applications; better handling of application crashes and freezes; and initial fixes for Windows 8. Changes from 2011.3rc1 to 2011.3: .Updated documentation. .Updated translations. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu mberto2%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kevinchao89%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 00:58:06 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 19:58:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA 2011.3 Released! Message-ID: <4edc1758.c9cae00a.1cff.ffffe86f@mx.google.com> It=20probably=20goes=20on=20a=20flash=20drive,=20like=20SA=20to=20Go=20from= =20Serotek.=20=20 Is=20this=20correct?=20Just=20a=20guest! Chris "The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi= ght.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance." --=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President,=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20= Blind,=20 1968-1986 =20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20blind=20and=20visually=20impa= ired=20youth=20 in=20Maryland=20say=20"I=20can,"=20by=20empowering=20them=20through=20provi= ding=20 assistive=20technology=20and=20scholarships=20to=20camps=20and=20convention= s=20 which=20help=20them=20be=20equal=20with=20their=20sighted=20peers.=20=20For= =20more=20 information=20about=20the=20Foundation=20and=20to=20support=20our=20work,=20= visit=20 us=20online=20at=20www.icanfoundation.info! =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20=20wrote: =20Good=20morning,=20Kevin, =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20What=20are=20the=20specifics,=20of=20using=20= NVDA?=20There=20are=20times=20 I =20need=20WindowEyes=20but=20it=20is=20problematic=20IE=20not=20my=20machin= e=20so=20NVDA, =20would=20be=20perfect. =20for=20today, =20Car11:39=20PM=2011/24/2011,=20Kevin=20Chao=20wrote: I=20use=20NVDA=20as=20my=20primary/main=20screen=20reader.=20=20There=20onc= e=20was=20a=20 time when=20I=20did=20use=20JAWS,=20but=20it's=20been=20over=20a=20year,=20and=20= I'm=20very=20glad=20 that I've=20stopped=20using=20it,=20and=20am=20using=20NVDA=20full-time.=20=20It= 's=20 extremely fast,=20accurate,=20reliable,=20innovative,=20non-intrusive,=20free,=20has= =20a portable=20version=20making=20any=20Windows=20PC=20in=20the=20world=20acces= sible,=20 and developed=20by=20blind=20people. Kevin On=2011/25/11,=20Humberto=20Avila=20=20 wrote: =20Thanks=20for=20sharing.=20=20I=20will=20download=20now.=20=20I=20use=20J= AWS,=20but=20this=20 has=20been =20my =20temporary=20screen=20reader=20in=20case=20something=20goes=20wrong. =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org =20[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]=20On=20Behalf =20Of=20Kevin=20Chao =20Sent:=20Thursday,=20November=2024,=202011=207:32=20PM =20To:=20kevinchao89 =20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20NVDA=202011.3=20Released! =20http://www.nvda-project.org/blog/NVDA2011.3Released =20NV=20Access=20is=20pleased=20to=20announce=20that=20NVDA=202011.3=20has= =20been=20 released. =20This=20release=20has=20been=20declared=20stable,=20which=20means=20it=20= is=20 suitable=20for =20production=20use=20and=20is=20recommended=20for=20most=20users. =20Highlights=20of=20NVDA=202011.3=20include=20automatic=20speech=20languag= e=20 switching =20when =20reading=20documents=20with=20appropriate=20language=20information;=20sup= port=20 for=2064 =20bit =20Java=20Runtime=20Environments;=20reporting=20of=20text=20formatting=20in= =20 browse=20mode =20in =20Mozilla=20applications;=20better=20handling=20of=20application=20crashes= =20and =20freezes; =20and=20initial=20fixes=20for=20Windows=208. =20Changes=20from=202011.3rc1=20to=202011.3: =20.Updated=20documentation. =20.Updated=20translations. =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu mberto2%40g =20mail.com =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kevinchao89%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for =20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea rthlink.net =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kevinchao89%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink..net _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 00:58:19 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 19:58:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA 2011.3 Released! Message-ID: <4edc1765.c9cae00a.1cff.ffffe87a@mx.google.com> nvda-project.org. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Carly ,National Association of Blind Students mailing list wrote: how is it portable? -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Chao Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 4:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NVDA 2011.3 Released! Hi Carly NVDA has a portable version, which allows you to have your TTS/settings, and entire screen reader with you to connect to any Windows PC in the world and make it accessible. I use this a lot, such as at library, tech lab, school, various other places, where there are computers. It's extremely incredible and amazing that it's possible to walk up to any Windows PC and use it. Kevin On 11/25/11, Carly wrote: Good morning, Kevin, What are the specifics, of using NVDA? There are times I need WindowEyes but it is problematic IE not my machine so NVDA, would be perfect. for today, Car11:39 PM 11/24/2011, Kevin Chao wrote: I use NVDA as my primary/main screen reader. There once was a time when I did use JAWS, but it's been over a year, and I'm very glad that I've stopped using it, and am using NVDA full-time. It's extremely fast, accurate, reliable, innovative, non-intrusive, free, has a portable version making any Windows PC in the world accessible, and developed by blind people. Kevin On 11/25/11, Humberto Avila wrote: Thanks for sharing. I will download now. I use JAWS, but this has been my temporary screen reader in case something goes wrong. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 7:32 PM To: kevinchao89 Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA 2011.3 Released! http://www.nvda-project.org/blog/NVDA2011.3Released NV Access is pleased to announce that NVDA 2011.3 has been released. This release has been declared stable, which means it is suitable for production use and is recommended for most users. Highlights of NVDA 2011.3 include automatic speech language switching when reading documents with appropriate language information; support for 64 bit Java Runtime Environments; reporting of text formatting in browse mode in Mozilla applications; better handling of application crashes and freezes; and initial fixes for Windows 8. Changes from 2011.3rc1 to 2011.3: .Updated documentation. .Updated translations. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu mberto2%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kevinchao89%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea rthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kevinchao89%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kevinchao89%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea rthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 00:58:20 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 19:58:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ipad verses blindness products Message-ID: <4edc1766.c9cae00a.1cff.ffffe87c@mx.google.com> Hi Beth, Bluetooth is still available on the BrailleNote Apex. Go to the options menu, select connectivity, then bluetooth. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth Kind of. But the gestures for it (it's entirely touch screen) take a little getting used to. By the way, if anybody has a list of VoiceOver gestures, please send them to me. Thanks! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "RJ Sandefur" Hi Humberto, It's a public archive, so if anyone goes to nfbnet.org and clicks on our page, they can see all the prior postings to the list. That's why when people post things that other people feel inappropriate for the list, they refer to the list as a "public, archived list." And, just my opinion; don't be afraid to tell the truth in this area, and don't worry about offending Humanware and Freedom Scientific. They need to hear this, IMO! And if they want to stay in business, they need to (1) make products so they're a little more mainstreamed (this especially goes for Humanware and HIMS,) (2) reduce the price of their technology so it is more appealing to the small blind market, and (3) work with mainstream technology developers to help make their products accessible. Probably Freedom Scientific will still be around because there will be a need for their high-quality products, especially JAWS and Braille displays, but HumanWare and HIMS... only time will tell, but I think their days are numbered. It will probably be HIMS who are the first to go, as the BrailleSense is very outdated and is being upstaged by even the outdated BrailleNote. As for Humanware... I think the Braille displays will save their business by going completely under. However, sadly, I think my beloved BrailleNote's days are numbered. Unless they update their technology, they will be quickly outdone by the push to make mainstream technology accessible. Any thoughts? Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Humberto Avila" References: <4edc1d5b.0e6fe00a.5adf.6206@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, Chris. 1. Good points and: 2. Completely agree. Also Will forward an email with a link to a site with v o commands to you privately. On 12/4/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Humberto, > > It's a public archive, so if anyone goes to nfbnet.org and clicks > on our page, they can see all the prior postings to the list. > That's why when people post things that other people feel > inappropriate for the list, they refer to the list as a "public, > archived list." And, just my opinion; don't be afraid to tell the > truth in this area, and don't worry about offending Humanware and > Freedom Scientific. They need to hear this, IMO! And if they > want to stay in business, they need to (1) make products so > they're a little more mainstreamed (this especially goes for > Humanware and HIMS,) (2) reduce the price of their technology so > it is more appealing to the small blind market, and (3) work with > mainstream technology developers to help make their products > accessible. Probably Freedom Scientific will still be around > because there will be a need for their high-quality products, > especially JAWS and Braille displays, but HumanWare and HIMS... > only time will tell, but I think their days are numbered. It > will probably be HIMS who are the first to go, as the > BrailleSense is very outdated and is being upstaged by even the > outdated BrailleNote. As for Humanware... I think the Braille > displays will save their business by going completely under. > However, sadly, I think my beloved BrailleNote's days are > numbered. Unless they update their technology, they will be > quickly outdone by the push to make mainstream technology > accessible. Any thoughts? > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Humberto Avila" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 20:56:35 -0800 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ipad verses blindness products > > Yes, I think that is why some many blind people are using iPhones > and iPads > as their personal note taking and at school too. I think that > these > mainstream IOS devices with voiceover will be the nearby future > of the > accessibility for the blind. Since those assistive technology > products made > specifically for the blind are so expensive, blind people are > going to shift > to those devices, since they come with screen reading > accessibility out of > the box. Plus, they are not as expensive. Additionally, since > Braille > displays are not as expensive as note takers, some might chose > the option to > add a Braille display in combination to their IOS device instead > of > purchasing those major products such as Pacmate and Braille Note. > If the > trend continues like I mentioned, the Vocational Rehabilitation > agencies > better take notice of this and see fit. Besides, it would > benefit their > programs and services as well, and with this economy (if it > continues to be > bad), they will not have to suffer budget cuts by trying to help > individuals > with their note takers because they are so expensive. > So, Humanware and freedom Scientific, I'm sorry if I offend you > at all, I am > not trying to be mean. Otherwise don't listen please!!!! (huge > smile) > > P.S. wondering if this listserve is that much public? > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Koby Cox > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 8:39 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ipad verses blindness products > > Yes. > Koby. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 25, 2011, at 10:32 PM, "RJ Sandefur" > wrote: > > Thanks. Is voice over easy to learn? RJ > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 11:11 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ipad verses blindness products > > > I'd justify that the iPad is a cheap option. The BrailleNote is > hard to > repair and neeeds thousands of dollars just to maintain. I love > my BNQT > Apex, but let' face it. It's really expensive. > Beth > P.S. does anyone know what happened to Bluetooth on the > BrailleNote? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "RJ Sandefur" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Subject: [nabs-l] ipad verses blindness products > > Guys, I have a braille 'n speak, but I think it has bit the > dust. I was > thinking of getting a braille note, but some one suggested > getting an iPad, > or a laptop. I did some research on the iPad, and here's what > I've found. > http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ipad/vision.html > Do any of you use iPad's, and if so, who purchased it for you? > If VR > purchased it, How do you justify need for an Ipad? Sincerely, RJ > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo > se%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksa > ndef > ur%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma > il.co > m > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu > mberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com > -- Sent via gmail.com Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com Skype: joshgregory93 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 01:36:37 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 20:36:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ipad verses blindness products In-Reply-To: References: <4edc1d5b.0e6fe00a.5adf.6206@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Josh, Great! Thanks! Now, if I can only get Skype to work, I can talk with you on Skype... we'll see. Chris On 12/4/11, josh gregory wrote: > Hi, Chris. 1. Good points and: 2. Completely agree. > Also Will forward an email with a link to a site with v o commands to > you privately. > > On 12/4/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Hi Humberto, >> >> It's a public archive, so if anyone goes to nfbnet.org and clicks >> on our page, they can see all the prior postings to the list. >> That's why when people post things that other people feel >> inappropriate for the list, they refer to the list as a "public, >> archived list." And, just my opinion; don't be afraid to tell the >> truth in this area, and don't worry about offending Humanware and >> Freedom Scientific. They need to hear this, IMO! And if they >> want to stay in business, they need to (1) make products so >> they're a little more mainstreamed (this especially goes for >> Humanware and HIMS,) (2) reduce the price of their technology so >> it is more appealing to the small blind market, and (3) work with >> mainstream technology developers to help make their products >> accessible. Probably Freedom Scientific will still be around >> because there will be a need for their high-quality products, >> especially JAWS and Braille displays, but HumanWare and HIMS... >> only time will tell, but I think their days are numbered. It >> will probably be HIMS who are the first to go, as the >> BrailleSense is very outdated and is being upstaged by even the >> outdated BrailleNote. As for Humanware... I think the Braille >> displays will save their business by going completely under. >> However, sadly, I think my beloved BrailleNote's days are >> numbered. Unless they update their technology, they will be >> quickly outdone by the push to make mainstream technology >> accessible. Any thoughts? >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, >> 1968-1986 >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth >> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing >> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions >> which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more >> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit >> us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Humberto Avila" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date sent: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 20:56:35 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ipad verses blindness products >> >> Yes, I think that is why some many blind people are using iPhones >> and iPads >> as their personal note taking and at school too. I think that >> these >> mainstream IOS devices with voiceover will be the nearby future >> of the >> accessibility for the blind. Since those assistive technology >> products made >> specifically for the blind are so expensive, blind people are >> going to shift >> to those devices, since they come with screen reading >> accessibility out of >> the box. Plus, they are not as expensive. Additionally, since >> Braille >> displays are not as expensive as note takers, some might chose >> the option to >> add a Braille display in combination to their IOS device instead >> of >> purchasing those major products such as Pacmate and Braille Note. >> If the >> trend continues like I mentioned, the Vocational Rehabilitation >> agencies >> better take notice of this and see fit. Besides, it would >> benefit their >> programs and services as well, and with this economy (if it >> continues to be >> bad), they will not have to suffer budget cuts by trying to help >> individuals >> with their note takers because they are so expensive. >> So, Humanware and freedom Scientific, I'm sorry if I offend you >> at all, I am >> not trying to be mean. Otherwise don't listen please!!!! (huge >> smile) >> >> P.S. wondering if this listserve is that much public? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> Of Koby Cox >> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 8:39 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ipad verses blindness products >> >> Yes. >> Koby. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Nov 25, 2011, at 10:32 PM, "RJ Sandefur" >> > wrote: >> >> Thanks. Is voice over easy to learn? RJ >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" >> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 11:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ipad verses blindness products >> >> >> I'd justify that the iPad is a cheap option. The BrailleNote is >> hard to >> repair and neeeds thousands of dollars just to maintain. I love >> my BNQT >> Apex, but let' face it. It's really expensive. >> Beth >> P.S. does anyone know what happened to Bluetooth on the >> BrailleNote? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "RJ Sandefur" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Subject: [nabs-l] ipad verses blindness products >> >> Guys, I have a braille 'n speak, but I think it has bit the >> dust. I was >> thinking of getting a braille note, but some one suggested >> getting an iPad, >> or a laptop. I did some research on the iPad, and here's what >> I've found. >> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ipad/vision.html >> Do any of you use iPad's, and if so, who purchased it for you? >> If VR >> purchased it, How do you justify need for an Ipad? Sincerely, RJ >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/thebluesisloo >> se%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksa >> ndef >> ur%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma >> il.co >> m >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu >> mberto2%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Sent via gmail.com > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > Skype: joshgregory93 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 01:44:32 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 20:44:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: iOS VoiceOver Gesture, Keyboard & Braille Shortcuts | AxS Lab In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FYI for any of you interested in getting and learning about the iPhone, iPod, and/or iPad with Voiceover. Chris ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: josh gregory Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 17:32:22 -0800 Subject: Fwd: iOS VoiceOver Gesture, Keyboard & Braille Shortcuts | AxS Lab To: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Hey bud thank Mr. Josh and the ios list for this. Hth! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Joshua Irzyk Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:13:40 -0500 Subject: iOS VoiceOver Gesture, Keyboard & Braille Shortcuts | AxS Lab To: Josh Gregory , "tymeka.mc at gmail.com" http://axslab.com/articles/ios-voiceover-gestures-and-keyboard-commands.php Joshua Irzyk, Ed.D. Teacher of the Visually Impaired/Lead Teacher Expanded Academics Program The Maryland School for the Blind -- Sent via gmail.com Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com Skype: joshgregory93 -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Dec 5 02:26:25 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 21:26:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ipad verses blindness products In-Reply-To: <4edc1d5b.0e6fe00a.5adf.6206@mx.google.com> References: <4edc1d5b.0e6fe00a.5adf.6206@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <27524C9A614642F4BE4C7C1171ABB810@OwnerPC> No, the braille sense supports many file types, even PDF I heard. And Braille Note made improvements in the apex. I don't see why their days are numbered for not keeping up. They can do about as much as a computer can! And you got the built in braille display and accessibility right there! The only reason why I think they might go is the cost. Blind people can rarely afford them except for those working at good paying jobs like in the government. And even vr agencies are leaning toward buying less expensive mainstream products. So cost is why they might go out, IMO. Not the other reasons. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ipad verses blindness products Hi Humberto, It's a public archive, so if anyone goes to nfbnet.org and clicks on our page, they can see all the prior postings to the list. That's why when people post things that other people feel inappropriate for the list, they refer to the list as a "public, archived list." And, just my opinion; don't be afraid to tell the truth in this area, and don't worry about offending Humanware and Freedom Scientific. They need to hear this, IMO! And if they want to stay in business, they need to (1) make products so they're a little more mainstreamed (this especially goes for Humanware and HIMS,) (2) reduce the price of their technology so it is more appealing to the small blind market, and (3) work with mainstream technology developers to help make their products accessible. Probably Freedom Scientific will still be around because there will be a need for their high-quality products, especially JAWS and Braille displays, but HumanWare and HIMS... only time will tell, but I think their days are numbered. It will probably be HIMS who are the first to go, as the BrailleSense is very outdated and is being upstaged by even the outdated BrailleNote. As for Humanware... I think the Braille displays will save their business by going completely under. However, sadly, I think my beloved BrailleNote's days are numbered. Unless they update their technology, they will be quickly outdone by the push to make mainstream technology accessible. Any thoughts? Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Humberto Avila" References: Message-ID: <4166B7BBD35447C6A25DAE6D239B2B5F@HUMBERTOAVILA> Hello Arielle and others, Not only does roboBraille service convert pdf documents that are inaccessible into accessible word documents, it does a plethora and a miriate of other things. You need to visit their site: http://www.robobraille.org/online. From this site, you will find instruction on how to convert many other types of files. There are 4 steps that are very simple. But as I said, you can upload an inaccessible .pdf image, and even a .jpg, .png, .tif image of text, and you can tell it to convert to E.G. a word document, a text document, even an mp3 file with synthesized speech to name a few. And something that is much more awesome, you can also convert any kind of document, accessible or inaccessible, into a .brf Braille document for use with your note taker! I know, it is so cool! Again you can find out how to do it by going to www.robobraille.org/online. Take care, Humberto -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 2:34 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] RoboBraille Hi all, I just wanted to thank Vejas for telling us about the RoboBraille resource. I just used it to convert three scanned PDF articles I had into accessible Word documents. It did a very good job, I had each article within 5 min and the OCR quality was very good. This could be an excellent money-saving resource for blind college students who don't have the funds to purchase Kurzweil or Open Book. Plus if you want to scan something yourself but don't have OCR software, you can scan it, print to PDF and then send the PDF to RoboBraille to have it converted to Word. For those of you who missed Vejas's post: To convert a PDF document to Word simply send it as an email attachment to convert at robobraille.org and put doc in the subject line. Best, Arielle _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From dandrews at visi.com Mon Dec 5 08:35:18 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 02:35:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish-English/English-Spanish Dictionary on Web-Braille Message-ID: > >The .brf files of a Spanish-English/English-Spanish dictionary have been >donated to Web-Braille through the courtesy of the American Printing House >for the Blind. This 27-volume set was printed last by APH in 1985. >Nevertheless it is still an excellent dictionary published by University >of Chicago press. Please let all persons who might find this dictionary >useful know that it is available to Web-Braille patrons. >The BR number is: >BRE00010. Note the E in the number. >Thank you. >Catherine From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Dec 6 00:53:16 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 19:53:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] zumba Message-ID: <6CE5FFD6A4E84E539F114878B5DD0BD6@OwnerPC> Hi all, Anyone participated in zumba, the latin dance/fitness workout? In the other thread on body language most of us agreed dance was a great way to loosen up, learn natural appropriate movements and get some exercise. That said, zumba looks so fun, but its usually fast paced. How would you learn the moves and follow the class? Any ideas for doing it? They offer it all the time at my rec center and health club. Thanks. Ashley From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 01:13:18 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:13:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] ipad verses blindness products Message-ID: <4edd6c2e.016be00a.0556.ffffa8bb@mx.google.com> Hi=20Ashley, Yes,=20that's=20what=20I=20think=20too.=20=20A=20lot=20of=20blind=20people= =20have=20learned=20 and=20are=20successful=20with=20the=20touch=20screen=20alone,=20even=20with= out=20a=20 Braille=20display,=20but=20just=20using=20the=20VoiceOver=20gestures.=20=20= But=20it=20 has=20always=20seemed=20a=20little=20tedious=20to=20me,=20especially=20typi= ng=20on=20 the=20touch=20screen.=20=20By=20the=20way,=20I=20forwarded=20an=20email=20t= o=20all=20the=20 lists=20last=20night=20with=20the=20link=20to=20an=20article=20which=20list= s=20the=20 Voiceover=20gestures=20and=20commands,=20for=20anyone=20interested.=20=20To= =20the=20 best=20of=20my=20knowledge,=20you=20can=20hook=20any=20standard=20Braille=20= display=20 that=20has=20bluetooth=20capability=20to=20any=20IOS=20device.=20=20But=20j= ust=20to=20be=20 sure,=20you=20might=20want=20to=20check=20out=20apple.com/accessibility=20t= o=20 learn=20what=20Braille=20displays=20are=20supported.=20=20Another=20cool=20= feature=20 of=20IOS=20and=20Braille=20displays=20is=20that=20you=20can=20hook=20up=20a= ny=20notetaker=20 with=20bluetooth=20capabilities=20to=20any=20IOS=20device.=20=20You=20can=20= then=20use=20 the=20notetaker=20as=20a=20Braille=20display=20for=20the=20iDevice=20and=20= as=20a=20 keyboard=20for=20it.=20=20In=20other=20words,=20you=20can=20do=20everything= =20on=20your=20 iDevice=20using=20the=20keyboard=20on=20your=20notetaker.=20=20I=20don't=20= know=20how=20 to=20do=20it=20with=20the=20BrailleSense=20or=20PacMate,=20but=20there=20is= =20a=20good=20 podcast=20on=20pairing=20IOS=20devices=20with=20the=20BrailleNote=20and=20u= sing=20the=20 BrailleNote=20as=20a=20keyboard=20and=20Braille=20display=20for=20the=20IOS= =20devices=20 on=20braillenoteusers.info/media.=20=20Hope=20this=20helps! Chris "The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi= ght.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance." --=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President,=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20= Blind,=20 1968-1986 =20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20blind=20and=20visually=20impa= ired=20youth=20 in=20Maryland=20say=20"I=20can,"=20by=20empowering=20them=20through=20provi= ding=20 assistive=20technology=20and=20scholarships=20to=20camps=20and=20convention= s=20 which=20help=20them=20be=20equal=20with=20their=20sighted=20peers.=20=20For= =20more=20 information=20about=20the=20Foundation=20and=20to=20support=20our=20work,=20= visit=20 us=20online=20at=20www.icanfoundation.info! =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20 Hi=20Ashley, You=20already=20have=20a=20BrailleNote,=20right?=20If=20so,=20you=20can=20j= ust=20use=20 that=20as=20your=20Braille=20display=20for=20the=20IOS=20devices.=20=20Just= =20check=20out=20 the=20podcast=20on=20pairing=20the=20BrailleNote=20with=20IOS=20devices=20o= n=20 www.braillenoteusers.info. Chris "The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi= ght.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance." --=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President,=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20= Blind,=20 1968-1986 =20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20blind=20and=20visually=20impa= ired=20youth=20 in=20Maryland=20say=20"I=20can,"=20by=20empowering=20them=20through=20provi= ding=20 assistive=20technology=20and=20scholarships=20to=20camps=20and=20convention= s=20 which=20help=20them=20be=20equal=20with=20their=20sighted=20peers.=20=20For= =20more=20 information=20about=20the=20Foundation=20and=20to=20support=20our=20work,=20= visit=20 us=20online=20at=20www.icanfoundation.info! =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20 Hi Ashley, To the best of my knowledge, IOS products do support Word files. I'm not sure if they support both DOC and DOCX, but I know they support Word files. They would probably support RTF files, as that is a universal file format that can be used and opened on all computers. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" Hi Josh, Does iOS support DOCX files? Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: josh gregory wrote: Rj, If you really feel an Ipad fits your needs, its easy to justify. But most email attachments will be in Word or .rtf format. I do not know if apple products can read those. I open attachments from professors all the time. A Braille Note or PC can handle Word or .rtf attachments. Do you also have a windows pc or laptop? I do not think you should abandon your PC windows because the workplace uses them. Keep up those skills. Using the Microsoft office suite is critical in getting an office job if that is what you'll do. Are you in school? If so, justifying an Ipad is easy. Say its less expensive than a braille notetaker. Say you will use it for notetaking and whatever else you'll do. Say it will get you through school which in turn helps you in your VR goal. In my state, vr either purchases laptops, notetakers, or both; rarely have they purchased apple products. Let us know what you decide and if VR pays for it. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: RJ Sandefur Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 11:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] ipad verses blindness products Guys, I have a braille 'n speak, but I think it has bit the dust. I was thinking of getting a braille note, but some one suggested getting an iPad, or a laptop. I did some research on the iPad, and here's what I've found. http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ipad/vision.html Do any of you use iPad's, and if so, who purchased it for you? If VR purchased it, How do you justify need for an Ipad? 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<4edd76af.a822340a.75da.ffffdc45@mx.google.com> References: <4edd76af.a822340a.75da.ffffdc45@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4EDD7A3D.5050705@gmail.com> Chris and all, iOS supports email attachments in .DOC and .DOCX file formats, as well as .RTF, and .TXT. Best regards, Matt On 12/5/2011 8:58 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Josh, > > Does iOS support DOCX files? > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in > Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive > technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them > be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the > Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at > www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: josh gregory To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:11:50 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ipad verses blindness products > > Ashley, iOS can in fact support word files, not sure about rtf but I > imagine it can. > > On 11/26/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Rj, > If you really feel an Ipad fits your needs, its easy to justify. > But most email attachments will be in Word or .rtf format. I do not > know if > apple products can read those. > I open attachments from professors all the time. A Braille Note or PC > can > handle Word or .rtf attachments. > > Do you also have a windows pc or laptop? I do not think you should > abandon > your PC windows because the workplace uses them. Keep up those > skills. Using > the Microsoft office suite is critical in > getting an office job if that is what you'll do. > > Are you in school? If so, justifying an Ipad is easy. Say its less > expensive > than a braille notetaker. Say you will use it for notetaking and > whatever > else you'll do. Say it will get you through school which in turn > helps you > in your VR goal. > > In my state, vr either purchases laptops, notetakers, or both; rarely > have > they purchased apple products. > Let us know what you decide and if VR pays for it. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: RJ Sandefur > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 11:08 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] ipad verses blindness products > > Guys, I have a braille 'n speak, but I think it has bit the dust. I was > thinking of getting a braille note, but some one suggested getting an > iPad, > or a laptop. I did some research on the iPad, and here's what I've > found. > http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ipad/vision.html > Do any of you use iPad's, and if so, who purchased it for you? If VR > purchased it, How do you justify need for an Ipad? Sincerely, RJ > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joshkart12%40 > gmail.com > > > > -- > Sent via gmail.com > Email: joshkart12 at gmail.com > Skype: joshgregory93 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mgoalball%40gmail.com From bstorm at uic.edu Tue Dec 6 05:45:22 2011 From: bstorm at uic.edu (Benjamin C. Storm) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 23:45:22 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [SANS] RA in affective neuroscience In-Reply-To: <4EDD8557.1030108@neu.edu> References: <4EDD8557.1030108@neu.edu> Message-ID: <4EDDABF2.3080603@uic.edu> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [SANS] RA in affective neuroscience Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:00:39 -0500 From: Lisa Barrett Reply-To: l.barrett at neu.edu To: announce at socialaffectiveneuro.org The Interdisciplinary Affective Science Lab at Mass General Hospital/Harvard Medical School and Northeastern University has an opening for a full time Clinical Research Coordinator beginning in January or February 2012. The IASLab is a multidisciplinary microcosm with a focus on emotion research. The lab contains three full time research scientists, seven postdoctoral fellows, six graduate students, five full time research assistants and anywhere from 20 to 60 part time undergraduate research assistants. Together, our expertise spans social, clinical and personality psychology, visual cognition, cognitive neuroscience, and comparative psychology. The lab is also culturally diverse with current members from the US, China, Japan, the Netherlands, and Greece. The successful candidate for our full time CRC position will assist in developing and implementing studies relating to affective processing, involving the collection of questionnaire, behavioral, physiological (autonomic) and fMRI data. RESPONSIBILITIES: Experiment design and implementation; recruitment, scheduling, screening and running of fMRI study participants; computer trouble-shooting including hardware and software upgrades; laboratory equipment trouble-shooting and testing; programming in E-Prime and/or Matlab; supervising undergraduate research assistants; data management, including data backup, data reduction, and simple data analysis; assisting with preparation of talks, manuscripts and grant applications; administrative work relating to scanning schedules and interacting with the IRB. QUALIFICATIONS: Four-year college degree in Psychology, Neuroscience, or a related field; knowledge of Word, Excel, and Powerpoint or Keynote; familiarity with PC or Mac computer software and hardware; knowledge of SPSS or other data analysis software; excellent communication skills, including some skill with writing. Must be able to work a regular Monday through Friday schedule and have good interpersonal skills and be customer service oriented. HIGHLY DESIRABLE: experience working in Unix, programming in Matlab or E-Prime; experience with psychophysiological or fMRI methods. Please send your cover letter, CV, and two letters of reference to Rebecca Dautoff at dautoff at nmr.mgh.harvard.edu . Review of applications will begin immediately. -- Lisa Feldman Barrett, Ph.D. Director, Interdisciplinary Affective Science Laboratory; Distinguished Professor of Psychology, Northeastern University Department of Psychology, 125 Nightingale Hall, Northeastern University, Boston MA 02115-5000; Voice: (617) 373-2044; Fax: (617) 373-8714 Website:http://www.affective-science.org -- ______________________________________________ From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Dec 6 14:02:01 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 09:02:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Word commands Message-ID: Hi all, I’m finally getting more computer training! I feel this is needed after upgrading to Office 2010. So what new features are helpful that I might want to use as a student and later when composing letters for work? I saw a references section in the ribbon. Does that have to do with making a reference list for a report? Also how accessible is track changes? I think I want to learn that. When I read changes so far, they don’t make sense as I cannot tell the difference between my writing and the changed text. It all is read together by jaws! Maybe I could at least insert track changes though. I assume that Word still does outlines. I just cannot find that feature. Anything you found helpful, I’d like to hear about. Word keeps adding new bells and whistles all the time! Thanks. Ashley From agrima at nbp.org Tue Dec 6 16:35:12 2011 From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 11:35:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Tuesday Morning Quotations Message-ID: <008e01ccb435$06a84860$13f8d920$@org> Tuesday Morning Quotations Compiled by Diane Croft Spiral-bound braille booklet, $9.00 Last year, we offered "Monday Morning Quotations," and it quickly became a best-seller. So, naturally, this year we offer you 52 more quotes to read on Tuesday morning! Compiled by Diane Croft, this small spiral-bound quotation booklet contains a quote for each week. Every Tuesday, turn back another page and see who shows up: Abraham Lincoln or Mae West? Darwin or Tolkien? Fran Lebowitz or Pope John Paul II? Plenty of fun for anyone on your gift list - and treat yourself, too! The entries are not dated, so you can start on any given Tuesday! To order or read more about this book online, visit http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/QUOTES-TUES.html And "Monday Morning Quotes" is also still available - order before they sell out! http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/QUOTES2011.html ******* Which FREE book will you choose in our Annual Holiday Book Sale? http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/holidaysale.html ****** To order any books, send payment to: NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302 Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext 520. Or order any of our books online at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html . From adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 18:56:28 2011 From: adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com (Andi) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 13:56:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] zoomba In-Reply-To: <6CE5FFD6A4E84E539F114878B5DD0BD6@OwnerPC> References: <6CE5FFD6A4E84E539F114878B5DD0BD6@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <0B2D0AB4A2AE41BB9A2AEE768284AFBC@OwnerPC> I love zoomba and think it's a great work out. It is also super fun and is easily learned. I have two suggestions as to how it can be learned by the blind but I know there are more options. If you know someone sighted who would be willing to teach you the steps and are willing to by the home work out DVDs there is an option in the menu that teaches each eight count. It does a good job of breaking the steps down but some of it is visual so if you have a sighted work out partner it would be easy to learn. Even if your partner is not sure how to teach it all they have to do is demonstrate tactually what they are teaching on the screen. You can pause it or rewind it as many times as you need. Then once you learn the steps and names for each eight count following along with the DVD or in a class is simple. They tell you what and how long you are to do each thing during the work out. I myself have the DVD set and use to work out with my sister, now I can do it by myself or I can go to a gym and feel confident that I will be able to follow along. It doesn't get boring because they have several different work outs depending on what you want but they all work everything it is just some have more of a focus. The other option is to find an instructor at the gym who would be willing to work with you a little ahead of time each day until you have all of it down. The instructor could also work with you during class if you are having trouble with a particular step. Work out instructors are usually pretty helpful because they want everyone to be healthy. I know there are more options but these are my experiences I would be interested to know if anyone ells has other ideas. I would like to make or have made a workout video series that is better explained for the blind. I might have found zoomba easy because I have a dance background but I was told that it can be picked up by anyone who wants to learn it. It can be difficult or easy for anyone sighted or blind but if you work at it it is not only possible but worth it. Andi -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 7:53 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] zumba Hi all, Anyone participated in zumba, the latin dance/fitness workout? In the other thread on body language most of us agreed dance was a great way to loosen up, learn natural appropriate movements and get some exercise. That said, zumba looks so fun, but its usually fast paced. How would you learn the moves and follow the class? Any ideas for doing it? They offer it all the time at my rec center and health club. Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40gmail.com From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 23:27:50 2011 From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (jonathan franks) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 17:27:50 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Word commands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd also like to know what type of new features are in word 2010. Thanks :) From dandrews at visi.com Wed Dec 7 00:12:36 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 18:12:36 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: NBP-Announce: Tuesday Morning Quotations Message-ID: > >Tuesday Morning Quotations >Compiled by Diane Croft >Spiral-bound braille booklet, $9.00 > >Last year, we offered "Monday Morning Quotations," and it quickly >became a best-seller. >So, naturally, this year we offer you 52 more quotes to read on >Tuesday morning! > >Compiled by Diane Croft, this small spiral-bound quotation booklet >contains a quote for each week. Every Tuesday, turn back another page >and see who shows up: Abraham Lincoln or Mae West? Darwin or Tolkien? >Fran Lebowitz or Pope John Paul II? Plenty of fun for anyone on your >gift list - and treat yourself, too! The entries are not dated, so >you can start on any given Tuesday! >To order or read more about this book online, visit >http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/QUOTES-TUES.html > > >And "Monday Morning Quotes" is also still available - order before >they sell out! >http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/QUOTES2011.html > > >******* >Which FREE book will you choose in our Annual Holiday Book Sale? >http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/holidaysale.html > > >****** >To order any books, send payment to: >NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302 >Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 >ext 520. Or order any of our books online at >http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html . > > >_______________________________________________ >Nbp mailing list >Nbp at nbp.org > >PLEASE DO NOT respond to this message! It is an automated message >and your query will not reach us. Send questions to orders at nbp.org . > >Visit us at http://www.nbp.org From dandrews at visi.com Wed Dec 7 00:17:29 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 18:17:29 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Cathryn Bonnette, A Blind Woman, Becomes Lawyer After Winning Injuction Against Bar Examiners Message-ID: > >WASHINGTON (WUSA) -- A blind woman was sworn in to the DC bar Monday >to become a lawyer, marking the end of an 8 year battle with bar >examiners in two states to allow her and other blind candidates to >use adaptive software of their choosing to take the test. > >Even so, the National Conference of Bar Examiners continues to >resist allowing blind candidates to take the bar exam on the terms >of the blind individual. > >Cathryn Bonnette has sued the NCBE in California and in DC during >her quest to take the bar exam with the help of adaptive software >that is used by hundreds of thousands of blind people >nationwide. The software translates text in electronic documents >into speech that the blind user can hear and respond to. > >Judges in 3 states and the District have issued injunctions in favor >of students, but the NCBE argues that the judges have overstepped >their authority because the organization offers other accommodations >for blind candidates, such as in-person oral and braille exams. > >In a court brief, the NCBE cites "legitimate cost, security and >other programmatic concerns." > >Bonnette says the NCBE should stop resisting. "You graduate law >school. You've done well, and all of a sudden to take that licensing >exam you can't get the software you need." > >After winning an injunction in DC, Bonnette passed the bar exam in >July using the translational software she is comfortable with. > >After her swearing in as a lawyer, Bonnette said she plans to >advocate for other disabled people in battles for access. > >Law students in Maryland have so far been unable to force the NCBE >to allow the software on that state's bar exam. > >"They're forcing us to fight a state-by-state battle Bonnette complained. > >News story here: >http://www.wusa9.com/news/article/178240/158/Blind-Woman-Admitted-To-DC-Bar-Despite-Hurdles-Thrown-By-Examiners > >___________________________________________________ > >Michael Richardson, MPA >Assistant Director/Counseling Services Coordinator > >********************************************************** >University of Washington >Disability Resources for Students >448 Schmitz Hall >Box 355839 >Seattle, WA 98195-5839 >Ph: 206.543.8924 TTY: 206.543.8925 Fax: 206.616.8379 >mike67 at uw.edu >********************************************************** From bpollpeter at hotmail.com Wed Dec 7 00:19:28 2011 From: bpollpeter at hotmail.com (Bridgit Pollpeter) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:19:28 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Word commands In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ashley and others, The Writers' Division will hold its monthly meeting for November and December on Sunday, December 18. This time, we will have some MS "experts" sharing helpful advice and tips for editing in MS Word. Anyone is welcome to ring in and participate. For more information, contact Robert Leslie Newman, president, NFB-Writers' Division, at newmanrl.cox, or check Stylist, the NFB NET writers listserve. And I will post the specifics later once a reminder is sent out. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan Message: 9 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 09:02:01 -0500 From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: [nabs-l] Word commands Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi all, I?m finally getting more computer training! I feel this is needed after upgrading to Office 2010. So what new features are helpful that I might want to use as a student and later when composing letters for work? I saw a references section in the ribbon. Does that have to do with making a reference list for a report? Also how accessible is track changes? I think I want to learn that. When I read changes so far, they don?t make sense as I cannot tell the difference between my writing and the changed text. It all is read together by jaws! Maybe I could at least insert track changes though. I assume that Word still does outlines. I just cannot find that feature. Anything you found helpful, I?d like to hear about. Word keeps adding new bells and whistles all the time! Thanks. Ashley From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 02:48:10 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:48:10 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Word commands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5F980C9EE6AA4CDB8CBC5B8481753865@HUMBERTOAVILA> Hello al, Another resource: my former teacher of the blind is running a web site with many lessons on Microsoft word all based on keystrokes. If you go to www.YourTechvision.com, you will find all kinds of different word lessons under the lessons heading. She covers almost all features from beginners to advanced features like inserting immages and clipart and wordart. You can try it out. If you like them you can purchase them. They are very cheap. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:19 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Word commands Ashley and others, The Writers' Division will hold its monthly meeting for November and December on Sunday, December 18. This time, we will have some MS "experts" sharing helpful advice and tips for editing in MS Word. Anyone is welcome to ring in and participate. For more information, contact Robert Leslie Newman, president, NFB-Writers' Division, at newmanrl.cox, or check Stylist, the NFB NET writers listserve. And I will post the specifics later once a reminder is sent out. Sincerely, Bridgit Kuenning-Pollpeter Read my blog at: http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/author/bpollpeter/ "History is not what happened; history is what was written down." The Expected One- Kathleen McGowan Message: 9 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 09:02:01 -0500 From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: [nabs-l] Word commands Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi all, I?m finally getting more computer training! I feel this is needed after upgrading to Office 2010. So what new features are helpful that I might want to use as a student and later when composing letters for work? I saw a references section in the ribbon. Does that have to do with making a reference list for a report? Also how accessible is track changes? I think I want to learn that. When I read changes so far, they don?t make sense as I cannot tell the difference between my writing and the changed text. It all is read together by jaws! Maybe I could at least insert track changes though. I assume that Word still does outlines. I just cannot find that feature. Anything you found helpful, I?d like to hear about. Word keeps adding new bells and whistles all the time! Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 13:32:45 2011 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 08:32:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] board games In-Reply-To: References: <0CE41E6592CF44F5AA6407F935FA9D01@OwnerPC> <9CAFC5150CB3471B9F4077B62A91C6CA@btggjgjwgas> <169388A76795452E8EF321B4008ADD52@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Another great place to get computer-based board games is Kitchens Inc (). He has Monopoly, Battleship, Yahtzee, and Skunk, just to name a few of theme plug two keyboards intot eh computer (wireless work best so cords don't get tangled) and sit in the living room playing Monopoly or the Game of Life like we would a board game. Of course, we still love playing games with "real" boards, including Uno, chess, and dominoes. My thoughts, Jewel On 12/4/11, Lea williams wrote: > the games on the computer I posted about you do play with others. You > log in with a user name and account and you can play with others and > chat with them too. If your friends with them you can get on skype and > talk with them while you play. It is not a one on self game unless you > play with a bott. > > On 12/4/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> but playing cards or a board game can be done with people and its fun. I >> am >> glad that uno exists on the computer for those who want it and I might try >> it too for solitary entertainment. But playing at a table with friends or >> family is fun and a great way to spend time together. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lea williams >> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 9:18 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] board games >> >> hey better than a board game, There are a couple of web cliants I get >> on and you can play uno, yahtzee black jack, chest and so many others. >> One is called >> RS games >> http://www.rsgames.org/ >> >> and another is called >> The Playroom. >> http://www.qcsalon.net/ >> >> With the playroom, if you do not use this link and want to go to the >> homepage some time, you have to google >> the playroom in english >> or other wise you get the french version. >> I hope you find these websites fun, I love to play on them. >> The website with the braille super store. in >> http://www.braillebookstore.com/ >> >> On 12/3/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> That's too bad! >>> I was hoping for a chess tournament, between blind people, at the >>> convention. >>> Maybe not something in front of an audience, but for friends that know >>> how to play, to get together, as something else to do, besides the >>> same old, lame old stuff, after the sessions. >>> I say, "Lame Old," because I didn't really care for sitting in the >>> motel room, bored on Friday night, before the Saturday sessions >>> started. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 12/3/11, Lea williams wrote: >>>> Josh, National? No. >>>> I am busy next summer. >>>> >>>> others, >>>> you can get games off of that sight I gave you or of course many others. >>>> I use to have checkers, conect four, battle ship, uno, regular deck of >>>> cards, tick tack toe, chinese checkers and chest. The bad part of it >>>> all was that I had no one other than a nine years younger cousin to >>>> play with. She only knew how to play tick tack toe and uno. >>>> >>>> On 12/3/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>> I had a Brailled Chess game, when I was in high school. >>>>> There's a company that sells this, along with Braille Uno cards. >>>>> I'd try the NFB's Endependence market, and see if they have accessible >>>>> board games. >>>>> Lea: >>>>> Will you be at convention, next year? >>>>> Please E-mail me offlist. >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 12/3/11, Lea williams wrote: >>>>>> They also sell this wax sticks that my school would put on the lines >>>>>> so you could find the lines, or hot glew the lines. Yes you could use >>>>>> a brailler or a slate and stylus to write on the cards. I perfer a >>>>>> slate and stylus. Then put braille lables on the board where its >>>>>> needed. You could use stickers like stars or something to mark the >>>>>> squares too for an alternitive and cheeper method. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/2/11, trising at sbcglobal.net wrote: >>>>>>> My parents adapted it for me when I was a teenager. The cards can be >>>>>>> rolled >>>>>>> into a Perkins Brailler and Brailled. A dot of hot glue can be put on >>>>>>> every >>>>>>> square so you can move your person. A Braille label can be put in >>>>>>> every >>>>>>> room >>>>>>> in the mansion. That is really all that is necessary. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Terri Wilcox >>>>>>> Secretary, National Federation of the Blind of Michigan >>>>>>> Ann Arbor Chapter President >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >>>>>>> We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. >>>>>>> SPAMfighter has removed 1591 of my spam emails to date. >>>>>>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Professional version does not have this message >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Lea Williams >>>>>> >>>>>> Phone; >>>>>> 704-732-4470 >>>>>> Skipe; >>>>>> Lea.williams738 >>>>>> Facebook >>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Lea Williams >>>> >>>> Phone; >>>> 704-732-4470 >>>> Skipe; >>>> Lea.williams738 >>>> Facebook >>>> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Lea Williams >> >> Phone; >> 704-732-4470 >> Skipe; >> Lea.williams738 >> Facebook >> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From todd.orlowski at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 7 16:41:28 2011 From: todd.orlowski at yahoo.co.uk (Todd Orlowski) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 16:41:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [nabs-l] Word commands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1323276088.48362.YahooMailNeo@web132401.mail.ird.yahoo.com> If I remember correctly the national braille press has published a book on word 2010 I think you might find some things in there helpful.   Todd Student Adaptive technology specialist Missouri Western State University ________________________________ From: Ashley Bramlett To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Sent: Tuesday, 6 December 2011, 8:02 Subject: [nabs-l] Word commands Hi all, I’m finally getting more computer training! I feel this is needed after upgrading to Office 2010. So what new features are helpful that I might want to use as a student and later when composing letters for work? I saw a references section in the ribbon. Does that have to do with making a reference list for a report? Also how accessible is track changes? I think I want to learn that.  When I read changes so far, they don’t make sense as I cannot tell the difference between my writing and the changed text. It all is read together by jaws! Maybe I could at least insert track changes though. I assume that Word still does outlines. I just cannot find that feature. Anything you found helpful, I’d like to hear about. Word keeps adding new bells and whistles all the time! Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/todd.orlowski%40yahoo.co.uk From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 20:59:53 2011 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 12:59:53 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod tuch and voiceover Message-ID: Hi everyone, My sister got the Ipod tuch. She is trying to set up voiceover on it so I can play with it. I want one for my massage music but I want to be comfortable with it first. How do you set up voiceover and use it? Thanks. Rania, From aaatlantic at aol.com Wed Dec 7 19:13:59 2011 From: aaatlantic at aol.com (Alexander Atlantic) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:13:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod tuch and voiceover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000701ccb514$60b94630$222bd290$@com> Hi Rania. Tell your sister to go to settings, General, accessibility,and then have her click on VoiceOver she should see the on butten. If you want more help you can contact me. Alexander Atlantic Mobile 1-313-421-1908 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rania Ismail CMT Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 4:00 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod tuch and voiceover Hi everyone, My sister got the Ipod tuch. She is trying to set up voiceover on it so I can play with it. I want one for my massage music but I want to be comfortable with it first. How do you set up voiceover and use it? Thanks. Rania, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aaatlantic%40aol.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Dec 7 19:16:03 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:16:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] board games In-Reply-To: References: <0CE41E6592CF44F5AA6407F935FA9D01@OwnerPC><9CAFC5150CB3471B9F4077B62A91C6CA@btggjgjwgas><169388A76795452E8EF321B4008ADD52@OwnerPC> Message-ID: do you play these with two people or just yourself? -----Original Message----- From: Jewel Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:32 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] board games Another great place to get computer-based board games is Kitchens Inc (). He has Monopoly, Battleship, Yahtzee, and Skunk, just to name a few of theme plug two keyboards intot eh computer (wireless work best so cords don't get tangled) and sit in the living room playing Monopoly or the Game of Life like we would a board game. Of course, we still love playing games with "real" boards, including Uno, chess, and dominoes. My thoughts, Jewel On 12/4/11, Lea williams wrote: > the games on the computer I posted about you do play with others. You > log in with a user name and account and you can play with others and > chat with them too. If your friends with them you can get on skype and > talk with them while you play. It is not a one on self game unless you > play with a bott. > > On 12/4/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> but playing cards or a board game can be done with people and its fun. I >> am >> glad that uno exists on the computer for those who want it and I might >> try >> it too for solitary entertainment. But playing at a table with friends or >> family is fun and a great way to spend time together. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lea williams >> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 9:18 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] board games >> >> hey better than a board game, There are a couple of web cliants I get >> on and you can play uno, yahtzee black jack, chest and so many others. >> One is called >> RS games >> http://www.rsgames.org/ >> >> and another is called >> The Playroom. >> http://www.qcsalon.net/ >> >> With the playroom, if you do not use this link and want to go to the >> homepage some time, you have to google >> the playroom in english >> or other wise you get the french version. >> I hope you find these websites fun, I love to play on them. >> The website with the braille super store. in >> http://www.braillebookstore.com/ >> >> On 12/3/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> That's too bad! >>> I was hoping for a chess tournament, between blind people, at the >>> convention. >>> Maybe not something in front of an audience, but for friends that know >>> how to play, to get together, as something else to do, besides the >>> same old, lame old stuff, after the sessions. >>> I say, "Lame Old," because I didn't really care for sitting in the >>> motel room, bored on Friday night, before the Saturday sessions >>> started. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 12/3/11, Lea williams wrote: >>>> Josh, National? No. >>>> I am busy next summer. >>>> >>>> others, >>>> you can get games off of that sight I gave you or of course many >>>> others. >>>> I use to have checkers, conect four, battle ship, uno, regular deck of >>>> cards, tick tack toe, chinese checkers and chest. The bad part of it >>>> all was that I had no one other than a nine years younger cousin to >>>> play with. She only knew how to play tick tack toe and uno. >>>> >>>> On 12/3/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>> I had a Brailled Chess game, when I was in high school. >>>>> There's a company that sells this, along with Braille Uno cards. >>>>> I'd try the NFB's Endependence market, and see if they have accessible >>>>> board games. >>>>> Lea: >>>>> Will you be at convention, next year? >>>>> Please E-mail me offlist. >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 12/3/11, Lea williams wrote: >>>>>> They also sell this wax sticks that my school would put on the lines >>>>>> so you could find the lines, or hot glew the lines. Yes you could use >>>>>> a brailler or a slate and stylus to write on the cards. I perfer a >>>>>> slate and stylus. Then put braille lables on the board where its >>>>>> needed. You could use stickers like stars or something to mark the >>>>>> squares too for an alternitive and cheeper method. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/2/11, trising at sbcglobal.net wrote: >>>>>>> My parents adapted it for me when I was a teenager. The cards can be >>>>>>> rolled >>>>>>> into a Perkins Brailler and Brailled. A dot of hot glue can be put >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> every >>>>>>> square so you can move your person. A Braille label can be put in >>>>>>> every >>>>>>> room >>>>>>> in the mansion. That is really all that is necessary. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Terri Wilcox >>>>>>> Secretary, National Federation of the Blind of Michigan >>>>>>> Ann Arbor Chapter President >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >>>>>>> We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. >>>>>>> SPAMfighter has removed 1591 of my spam emails to date. >>>>>>> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Professional version does not have this message >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Lea Williams >>>>>> >>>>>> Phone; >>>>>> 704-732-4470 >>>>>> Skipe; >>>>>> Lea.williams738 >>>>>> Facebook >>>>>> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Lea Williams >>>> >>>> Phone; >>>> 704-732-4470 >>>> Skipe; >>>> Lea.williams738 >>>> Facebook >>>> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Lea Williams >> >> Phone; >> 704-732-4470 >> Skipe; >> Lea.williams738 >> Facebook >> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From thebluesisloose at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 19:39:56 2011 From: thebluesisloose at gmail.com (Beth) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 12:39:56 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod tuch and voiceover Message-ID: <4edfc11b.843cb60a.0e6c.08de@mx.google.com> It's usually in the Settings section of the ipod. You go to General, then tap Accessiblity, then Voiceover should be right there. But without Voiceover, it's useless. At least to you and me. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rania Ismail CMT" References: <000701ccb514$60b94630$222bd290$@com> Message-ID: Ok thanks! -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alexander Atlantic Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:14 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ipod tuch and voiceover Hi Rania. Tell your sister to go to settings, General, accessibility,and then have her click on VoiceOver she should see the on butten. If you want more help you can contact me. Alexander Atlantic Mobile 1-313-421-1908 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rania Ismail CMT Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 4:00 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod tuch and voiceover Hi everyone, My sister got the Ipod tuch. She is trying to set up voiceover on it so I can play with it. I want one for my massage music but I want to be comfortable with it first. How do you set up voiceover and use it? Thanks. Rania, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aaatlantic%40aol.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 21:05:51 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:05:51 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod tuch and voiceover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5BE37A0C285547A38A861E0E63E5A91D@HUMBERTOAVILA> Hello rania, Your sister needs to look at settings. Once she goes to settings, she needs to scroll to an item in that menu called accessibility. Once she clicks on that, or rather say, she taps on that, there should be the voiceOver item, it should say, "voice over: off." she needs to toggle that on. Then you will be able to use her iPod touch. Just a FYI, if you have never used a touchscreen, this will be new to you, and it might become a tedious process at first. The touchscreen is a learning curve. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rania Ismail CMT Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:00 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod tuch and voiceover Hi everyone, My sister got the Ipod tuch. She is trying to set up voiceover on it so I can play with it. I want one for my massage music but I want to be comfortable with it first. How do you set up voiceover and use it? Thanks. Rania, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 01:30:08 2011 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 17:30:08 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod tuch and voiceover In-Reply-To: <5BE37A0C285547A38A861E0E63E5A91D@HUMBERTOAVILA> References: <5BE37A0C285547A38A861E0E63E5A91D@HUMBERTOAVILA> Message-ID: <81BF0802A5A34EC38EA694A445F564C4@userPC> I have never used a tuch screene before. How does that work and how can you slown down the speech? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Humberto Avila Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:06 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ipod tuch and voiceover Hello rania, Your sister needs to look at settings. Once she goes to settings, she needs to scroll to an item in that menu called accessibility. Once she clicks on that, or rather say, she taps on that, there should be the voiceOver item, it should say, "voice over: off." she needs to toggle that on. Then you will be able to use her iPod touch. Just a FYI, if you have never used a touchscreen, this will be new to you, and it might become a tedious process at first. The touchscreen is a learning curve. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rania Ismail CMT Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:00 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod tuch and voiceover Hi everyone, My sister got the Ipod tuch. She is trying to set up voiceover on it so I can play with it. I want one for my massage music but I want to be comfortable with it first. How do you set up voiceover and use it? Thanks. Rania, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Dec 7 23:01:37 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 18:01:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod tuch and voiceover In-Reply-To: <81BF0802A5A34EC38EA694A445F564C4@userPC> References: <5BE37A0C285547A38A861E0E63E5A91D@HUMBERTOAVILA> <81BF0802A5A34EC38EA694A445F564C4@userPC> Message-ID: <93C4EF643AC74DA28441467E258E9B57@OwnerPC> Rania, I think there is a manual online. I don't use it either; my understanding is that you tap to hear the buttons and double tap to lenter that command. -----Original Message----- From: Rania Ismail CMT Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:30 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ipod tuch and voiceover I have never used a tuch screene before. How does that work and how can you slown down the speech? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Humberto Avila Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:06 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ipod tuch and voiceover Hello rania, Your sister needs to look at settings. Once she goes to settings, she needs to scroll to an item in that menu called accessibility. Once she clicks on that, or rather say, she taps on that, there should be the voiceOver item, it should say, "voice over: off." she needs to toggle that on. Then you will be able to use her iPod touch. Just a FYI, if you have never used a touchscreen, this will be new to you, and it might become a tedious process at first. The touchscreen is a learning curve. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rania Ismail CMT Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:00 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod tuch and voiceover Hi everyone, My sister got the Ipod tuch. She is trying to set up voiceover on it so I can play with it. I want one for my massage music but I want to be comfortable with it first. How do you set up voiceover and use it? Thanks. Rania, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 23:35:12 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:35:12 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod tuch and voiceover In-Reply-To: <81BF0802A5A34EC38EA694A445F564C4@userPC> References: <5BE37A0C285547A38A861E0E63E5A91D@HUMBERTOAVILA> <81BF0802A5A34EC38EA694A445F564C4@userPC> Message-ID: <9743445B112349A1900B84EBC245CDB6@HUMBERTOAVILA> I'm sorry if I have to say this, but I've never ever used a touchscreen either. The only time I actually tapped on a touchscreen is when one of my TVI's was using an iPhone and was showing me and another student how to pair a Braille display with it. I was prompted what to do though. I only gathered this information about turning on voiceOver and the I devices since I know about I devices like the iPhone and iPod touch by listening to teachers, reading on web sites and from other blind people. Anyways, I hope you can at least know the basic voiceOver gestures and how to do things such as flicking, sliding, 2 and 3 finger tapping, ETC. to name a few. I think there is a practice mode available under the voiceOver settings that allows you to practice the touching and gestures and voiceOver can tell you what they are and how to interact, just like you will find in most electronic devices now. It is like a learning mode for the touchscreen for the IOS devices. Hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rania Ismail CMT Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 5:30 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ipod tuch and voiceover I have never used a tuch screene before. How does that work and how can you slown down the speech? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Humberto Avila Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:06 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Ipod tuch and voiceover Hello rania, Your sister needs to look at settings. Once she goes to settings, she needs to scroll to an item in that menu called accessibility. Once she clicks on that, or rather say, she taps on that, there should be the voiceOver item, it should say, "voice over: off." she needs to toggle that on. Then you will be able to use her iPod touch. Just a FYI, if you have never used a touchscreen, this will be new to you, and it might become a tedious process at first. The touchscreen is a learning curve. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rania Ismail CMT Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:00 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod tuch and voiceover Hi everyone, My sister got the Ipod tuch. She is trying to set up voiceover on it so I can play with it. I want one for my massage music but I want to be comfortable with it first. How do you set up voiceover and use it? Thanks. Rania, _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From freethaught at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 23:37:46 2011 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 18:37:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Saving attachments in Thunderbird Message-ID: <4EDFF8CA.9010908@gmail.com> Hello, I would like to save attachments from email messages in Thunderbird. I do not see a list of files listed but I know the Ebsco library service attached the file. Thunderbird reads to me that the message has an attachment. Any help? Thanks, -- Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Dec 7 23:50:01 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 18:50:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Saving attachments in Thunderbird In-Reply-To: <4EDFF8CA.9010908@gmail.com> References: <4EDFF8CA.9010908@gmail.com> Message-ID: try pressing the applications key which is next to control on the left hand side. Arrow down and see if there is a save attachments option. Do this if your not in the message. Another way which works in outlook and might in your program is pressing insert A if you use jaws, the command for the attachment field. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Antonio Guimaraes Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 6:37 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Saving attachments in Thunderbird Hello, I would like to save attachments from email messages in Thunderbird. I do not see a list of files listed but I know the Ebsco library service attached the file. Thunderbird reads to me that the message has an attachment. Any help? Thanks, -- Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Dec 7 23:54:37 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 18:54:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Word commands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are several new features in word 2010. Perhaps everyone is studying, and that is why the list is quiet. I see a way to make a reference list and table of contents. There is also more stuff under the insert tab in the ribbon. I also noticed that they have some new font styles. I look forward to hearing some ideas. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: jonathan franks Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 6:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Word commands I'd also like to know what type of new features are in word 2010. Thanks :) _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From amylsabo at comcast.net Thu Dec 8 00:27:41 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 17:27:41 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] utube problems In-Reply-To: <4549495416157793338@unknownmsgid> References: <001201ccb01d$fa6d50b0$ef47f210$@comcast.net> <92DE15922BBE43AF824409F7BD39F4A4@OwnerPC> <000001ccb076$595b0ab0$0c112010$@comcast.net> <4549495416157793338@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <000901ccb540$32c334d0$98499e70$@comcast.net> Hello there, Thanks for the information. But, it's a little late as you know... as I'm now in the process of now checking my emails here. This information sounds awesome. What's the web site/place to download this software that you are talking about and, where can I find it? Thanks for the information and, I will talk to you soon. Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ignasi Cambra Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:54 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] utube problems There are a few applications out there that allow you to download videos from YouTube and save them in different formats. Just use one of them and then after you have saved the video on your computer use it in your PowerPoint presentation Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Amy Sabo wrote: > Hello, > > This isn't a buffering problem I can't save the video files to my > computer so I have stored in the playlist folder on my utube > channel. Thanks anyway for your help... > > > > Hugs, > amy > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > frandi.galindo at gmail.com > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:25 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] utube problems > > The videos would only buffer if you have a terrible internet > connection. I > know this because I have seen many a people watch their youtube > videos on > all kinds of connections. What or who do you have for internet? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:22 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] utube problems > > Hi, Amy. > I just E-mailed you offlist. > I hope you're able to get something going. > I'm having problems with my browser, because alot of Youtube > videos > buffer too much. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/1/11, Amy Sabo wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> Well, I'm at the my ends rope here with dealing with utube! I >> have never used this site and, I had to work it all out this >> evening. Well, I got the link from a friend of mine/my sister > to >> create a powerpoint presentation for her music appreciation > class >> and, I have been trying to do this all evening/morning! >> >> I have tried using the utube site in which I had to create a >> account in which I did with some sighted assistance and, then >> when I go to add the page/link to the favorites/playlist it > won't >> add it for some reason. >> >> I have tried copying and pasting it into both windows media >> player and, also quicktime as well too. And, it won't open up > the >> file. So, here's my problem and, it's crunch time for both of > us! >> How, can I get the page/videos for that page into the playlist > to >> play them and, then save/edit them into my videos folder before > I >> add them to the slide for powerpoint? Is there another way on > how >> I can open up the link from utube that I have copyed and pasted >> into another media player which is accessible with jfw and, can >> work on it too? >> >> I know this lengthy and crazy but, I'm going insane here!!!!!!! >> >> >> Thanks again for all of your help and, I will talk to you all >> soon.. >> >> >> >> >> Hugs always, >> Amy >> >> >> P.s. if any of you can help me out please contact me off list > at >> my email address and, I can give you my contact information off >> list >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galind > o%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co > mcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra% 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Dec 8 01:00:43 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 20:00:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] navigating word and setting up layout Message-ID: <40F90A4B02694709A0D3E1B5DA234BBB@OwnerPC> Hi all, So I was wondering what features whether they be jaws ones or Word ones, that you use in searching/reading documents. What features do you use other than place markers and the find command? One technique I use is inserting a symbol I can hear as I arrow down by paragraph. Usually a ** symbol. Also can you make a Word file look like a web page? Can you have headings and hyperlinks in there? I think that would help in navigation. If you have multiple tables, how do you get to tables 2, 3 etc? So far I just arrow down or page down to them. Perhaps there is a better way. I know on the internet you can press T. Speaking of website features in Word, if you have a form, how do you navigate it? Is it accessible? Do you just tab to the fields? That would be my guess. Thanks. Ashley From amylsabo at comcast.net Thu Dec 8 01:14:59 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 18:14:59 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] freedom science fiction (Freedom Scientific) question In-Reply-To: <4edadb1f.2405b60a.4b47.ffff932f@mx.google.com> References: <4edadb1f.2405b60a.4b47.ffff932f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <001501ccb546$ceb972e0$6c2c58a0$@comcast.net> Hello beth, Well, where do I begin with your circumstances! Well, to answer your question in regarding to using jfw 10 on your computer which has windows 7 and a 64 bit confirmation is impossible imoo! It doesn't work! Because, I know... I had to encounter this problem myself when I got my new laptop last year when I was in Michigan and, my sister only had her jfw 10 disk with her and, after I loaded it onto my computer it didn't work very well and, I had many many problems with it due to this! So, I had to download jfw 12 from the web site to use it and, I had to get a new key from fs out of my own pocket since dvr didn't have this for me in my plan at all! So, you will probably will need to purchase a new key from fs for jfw 13 on your own. And, I believe for all of this it's about 400.00-500.00 I know that dvr has their purpose for your reasons but, this what you will have to do. As for the key issue that's something that you will need to speak with fs's tech support about. I hope this information/advice is helpful for you.. take care and, good luck with your computer problems! Hugs always, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:30 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] freedom science fiction (Freedom Scientific) question Hi, guys. I just had a question. See, my computer needs to be upgraded, and I wanted to know. Is JAWS 10 capable of running on Windows 7 optimally and with 64 bits? Otherwise, what are the requirements for getting a JAWS upgrade? I also want to know that if I only have one key left, is it for JAWs one level up0 or can I skip a few levels? I have 10, and only one key left. I would like to get 13, but how can I do that without Rehab being a bunch of jerks as most state agencies are about FS products before you get a "service plan." Any ideas would be nice. Beth _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 03:01:22 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 22:01:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] fw: looking for gently used BrailleNote EmPower or Apex Message-ID: <4ee02885.c2c3e00a.21ee.ffffb592@mx.google.com> If any of you are looking to sell your BrailleNote, please contact Marsha at the email address she provides. Ross, can you put this in the special notices section of the Ziegler, and Sharon, can you put this in the High Tech Swap Shop in the Braille Forum? Thanks! ---- Original Message ------ From: marsha bork References: <40F90A4B02694709A0D3E1B5DA234BBB@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hello ashley, When you are in a word document, in word 2010, and if you are using JAWS, then all you have to do is press insert+Z. this enables or disables the quick keys on and off. Quick keys is like the virtual PC cursor on JAWS when you are on the internet with Internet Explorer or firefox. The commands in the word quick keys are very similar to the ones used in the virtual cursor, however there are a few keys that are relevant to microsoft word. For example, you can move with: H for heading, M for spelling errors, G for gramatical errors, O for comments, T for tables, B for bookmarks, F for formfields, and even p for paragraphs. When you press a key that is not associated with a word option, JAWS will report, "Not available in Microsoft word." you can also press Insert+f7 to access a list of links in the docment. Just like on the internet. It is very cool. Hope this helps you. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 5:01 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] navigating word and setting up layout Hi all, So I was wondering what features whether they be jaws ones or Word ones, that you use in searching/reading documents. What features do you use other than place markers and the find command? One technique I use is inserting a symbol I can hear as I arrow down by paragraph. Usually a ** symbol. Also can you make a Word file look like a web page? Can you have headings and hyperlinks in there? I think that would help in navigation. If you have multiple tables, how do you get to tables 2, 3 etc? So far I just arrow down or page down to them. Perhaps there is a better way. I know on the internet you can press T. Speaking of website features in Word, if you have a form, how do you navigate it? Is it accessible? Do you just tab to the fields? That would be my guess. Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 06:02:28 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 22:02:28 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Minutes from November's Rehab call. Message-ID: Hello all, Sorry for the delay, but I believe you will will be pleased with what you didn't know you would be waiting for! Below are minutes from the rehab call, as taken by membership committee secretary Liz Bottner. I truley Hope you find these as informitave as I have! Best, Darian NABS Membership Call: 11-20-11 Topic: Rehabilitation as it Relates to the Blind Guest Speaker: Dr. Edward Bell Slated Questions: Q: What is the goal of vocational rehabilitation? A: There are a lot of different aspects of rehabilitation. All on this call are interested in Title I of the Rehab act; To gain, maintain or advance in employment. To Gain: Get a job To Maintain: If you are already working; maybe the job has changed, workload/responsibilities have increased, technology has changed. Obtain help to learn the new things. Advance: Moving up in your line of career or finding a different one which is higher up. Q: What will rehab pay for in terms of someone getting an undergraduate degree? A: Anything that is necessary to help you get a job can be paid for by vocational rehabilitation; almost no limit at all if you can demonstrate that it will help you get a job. Different states may have different interpretations of this law; some states may not pay for Masters degrees, PH.D’s, etc. In some states, they will help you get the initial training and anything beyond that is your responsibility. While not federal law, Voc Rehab will also enquire about using comparable services to help pay for things. Federal law is above state law. It is not your responsibility to worry about the state budget; it is your responsibility to worry about what it takes to go to school/getting a job. Q: Are any services provided dictated by financial need? A: This differs from state to state. If a family has financial means to pay for things, they could be asked to pay for a computer and then Voc Rehab would pay for the assistive technology software for the computer as that is considered necessary because of the blindness or visual impairment; above and beyond the normal cost of a computer. Q: What kinds of services can Voc Rehab provide above and beyond graduation? A: Voc Rehab does not have a good track record in helping people with disabilities find jobs. You should be thinking about the job that you want to do long before you graduate. The most successful blind people find their jobs in the way that sighted people do; go to job websites, submit resumes at job fairs, call companies, etc. What Voc Rehab will do is fund the services that you need to get you ready for the job; training, school, technology, readers, etc. Q: You work for a few years and when you go to get a promotion find out that you need another degree. Your case is then closed with VR. Would it be possible to open a VR case at that point? A: Yes. You can be employed and open a VR case. Up until eight months after your case is closed, you are eligible for post-employment services. This usually to cover one or two ‘things’ and only involves short time periods. Voc Rehab can and does open cases on people who are employed all the time. Voc Rehab counselors are always looking at two things; the budget and the rate of closure on cases. Q: What are some tips/good strategies for people who are struggling with dealing with their Voc Rehab agencies? A: The most successful VR cases are when there is a good working relationship between the client and counselor. Be polite, cordial and professional; document and justify everything; have a good track record of success; advocacy/self-advocacy. Q: What is the IPE? A: IPE - Individualized Plan for Employment; It is a contract between you and the agency. Whatever is on the IPE that you and your counselor sign is a contract that you and your VR agency must fulfill in order for you to get what you need. Four important pieces of the IPE: list of 4 items 1. The Vocational Goal: What is it that you want to be when you ‘grow up’? Example: I want to be a classroom teacher. 2. What are the services that VR has to provide in order for you to achieve this goal? Ex: Training, technology, undergraduate degree, certification exams, Masters degree. 3. The Evaluation: You have to demonstrate that you can fulfill your half of the bargain. 4. The Timeline: Voc Rehab is not going to stretch your plan out forever. You have to follow through with what you say you are going to within the time line that is agreed upon. list end At any time in the process you or your counselor can amend the IPE; changing the goal, services or time line. Open Questions: Q: If there is inaccessible software at a job where it was being looked into for a company to come in and script for JAWS, does this fall within VR or within the employer to pay for it? A: VR will say that the employer should be responsible for this expense. It is expected that as an employer you would want to accommodate your employee. The employer might also decide that they cannot pay for it and in that case VR would be looked to in doing so. Q: If someone wanted to try and get a second chance with their VR agency, what would be a good way to show the agency that things have changed on the end of the individual? A: Have the initial conversation with the counselor and explain yourself. You have to demonstrate that you can do what you say you can do Realize that the VR agency may at first be skeptical, but by law they cannot refuse you service. Respectfully Submitted, From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 06:10:21 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 22:10:21 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] screen readers and survey monkey Message-ID: Hello folks, I was having a discussion with a few folks about survey monkey and it's accessability as it related to the diffrent types of screan readers out there. I know that it generally works well with jaws, assume the same for windoweyes, but don't know about any of the other screen reading options we have out there. are there Any people that can speak to the effectivness (or lack there of?) Thanks, Darian -- Darian Smith "To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the formula for a life well lived." - Dr. Peter Benson From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Dec 8 13:54:49 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 07:54:49 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling Message-ID: Hi, it's Joshua Lester. Well, one more test, and my semester is over! I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, (something I had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't help me with the Pac Mate, but I digress. I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two endependent studies, for both of my Science classes. I also have endependent study for College Algebra. I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and Safety." I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! Blessings, Joshua From gpaikens at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 15:35:33 2011 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 09:35:33 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] screen readers and survey monkey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I haven't had any problems using survey monkey with VoiceOver on the mac. -Greg On Dec 8, 2011, at 12:10 AM, Darian Smith wrote: > Hello folks, > I was having a discussion with a few folks about survey monkey and > it's accessability as it related to the diffrent types of screan > readers out there. > I know that it generally works well with jaws, assume the same for > windoweyes, but don't know about any of the other screen reading > options we have out there. > are there Any people that can speak to the effectivness (or lack there of?) > Thanks, > Darian > > -- > Darian Smith > > "To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the > formula > for a life well lived." > > - Dr. Peter Benson > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 17:16:41 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 09:16:41 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA> Hello, Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school work done? Or how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't have a note taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore as it was the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me via outside sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, though I wish I had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a laptop. For example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the public transit bus reading the material or studying as well. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling Hi, it's Joshua Lester. Well, one more test, and my semester is over! I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, (something I had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't help me with the Pac Mate, but I digress. I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two endependent studies, for both of my Science classes. I also have endependent study for College Algebra. I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and Safety." I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! Blessings, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Dec 8 17:35:27 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 11:35:27 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA> References: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA> Message-ID: I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. Blessings, Joshua On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > Hello, > > Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school work done? Or > how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't have a note > taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore as it was > the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me via outside > sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, though I wish I > had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a laptop. For > example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the public transit > bus reading the material or studying as well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Well, one more test, and my semester is over! > I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the > Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. > Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, (something I > had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't help me with > the Pac Mate, but I digress. > I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two endependent > studies, for both of my Science classes. > I also have endependent study for College Algebra. > I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and Safety." > I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. > I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Dec 8 20:55:00 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 15:55:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: References: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA> Message-ID: <09F95B5BE2D3491F91CEC2D03D9C3A77@OwnerPC> Joshua, I wonder how you get along without a notetaker. Mine is indispensable for taking notes in school; if I didn't have a notetaker, I'd bring a laptop to class even though its big. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 12:35 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. Blessings, Joshua On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > Hello, > > Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school work done? > Or > how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't have a > note > taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore as it was > the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me via > outside > sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, though I wish > I > had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a laptop. > For > example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the public > transit > bus reading the material or studying as well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Well, one more test, and my semester is over! > I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the > Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. > Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, (something > I > had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't help me > with > the Pac Mate, but I digress. > I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two endependent > studies, for both of my Science classes. > I also have endependent study for College Algebra. > I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and Safety." > I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. > I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 21:03:03 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:03:03 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: References: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA> Message-ID: <5B0A0D8C679B4069A0D9D7EB9888F833@HUMBERTOAVILA> So, how do you do with school. How do you take notes and how do you submit homework and schoolwork? Do you have to have readers all the time to do everything at school? Personally I think this would be no fun at all. Not even without a laptop or something. Even carrying a brailler or a slate & stylus around is not the same as carrying a laptop or a note taker. If I were you I would just take that laptop to school so you can take your notes easily, do the same work electronically, and life would be much easier. If I were in your situation, I wouldn't have known what to do. Hope it is going well! -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 9:35 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. Blessings, Joshua On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > Hello, > > Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school work > done? Or how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I > don't have a note taker either; I used to have one in high school, but > not anymore as it was the district's. now I just have a laptop that > was donated to me via outside sources. I can use it at school and at > home with no problem, though I wish I had a note taker. Its > portability is never ever compared with a laptop. For example I can > use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the public transit bus reading the material or studying as well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Well, one more test, and my semester is over! > I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the > Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. > Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, > (something I had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still > won't help me with the Pac Mate, but I digress. > I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two endependent > studies, for both of my Science classes. > I also have endependent study for College Algebra. > I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and Safety." > I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. > I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humbert > o2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud > ents.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 21:06:16 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:06:16 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: <09F95B5BE2D3491F91CEC2D03D9C3A77@OwnerPC> References: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA> <09F95B5BE2D3491F91CEC2D03D9C3A77@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hello Ashley, I do this all the time. I don't have my trusty, good old fun Braille Note I used to have. So I have to go with my ASUS i7 processor laptop. I know it takes longer to startup, even though it has a turbo processor (i7) a Braille note or pacmate or the like would take at least a couple of seconds, and I would bring my work or what I was doing quickly. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 12:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling Joshua, I wonder how you get along without a notetaker. Mine is indispensable for taking notes in school; if I didn't have a notetaker, I'd bring a laptop to class even though its big. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 12:35 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. Blessings, Joshua On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > Hello, > > Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school work done? > Or > how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't have > a note taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not > anymore as it was the district's. now I just have a laptop that was > donated to me via outside sources. I can use it at school and at home > with no problem, though I wish I had a note taker. Its portability is > never ever compared with a laptop. > For > example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the public > transit bus reading the material or studying as well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Well, one more test, and my semester is over! > I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the > Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. > Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, > (something I had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still > won't help me with the Pac Mate, but I digress. > I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two endependent > studies, for both of my Science classes. > I also have endependent study for College Algebra. > I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and Safety." > I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. > I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humbert > o2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stud > ents.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From carlymih at earthlink.net Thu Dec 8 21:34:22 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 13:34:22 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: References: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20111208133153.01d145e8@earthlink.net> A thing is to record instructions of an assignment, meant to be done in class then, go home and do it on the desktop. Then, you can either print it, or send it. for today, Car At 09:35 AM 12/8/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. >I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. >Blessings, Joshua > >On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school > work done? Or > > how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't > have a note > > taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore as it was > > the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me via outside > > sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, > though I wish I > > had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a laptop. For > > example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the > public transit > > bus reading the material or studying as well. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > > Of Joshua Lester > > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling > > > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > > Well, one more test, and my semester is over! > > I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the > > Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. > > Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, > (something I > > had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't > help me with > > the Pac Mate, but I digress. > > I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two endependent > > studies, for both of my Science classes. > > I also have endependent study for College Algebra. > > I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and Safety." > > I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. > > I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > > mail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Dec 8 23:31:12 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:31:12 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20111208133153.01d145e8@earthlink.net> References: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA> <7.0.1.0.2.20111208133153.01d145e8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I don't take the lap top to classes, to take notes, because I have to have headphones, so that the fellow students wouldn't hear the Jaws talking to me. I can't hear my instructor, and Jaws both. I use the Perkins Brailler, in class. I have readers read my tests to me. Blessings, Joshua On 12/8/11, Carly wrote: > > A thing is to record instructions of an assignment, meant to be done > in class then, go home and do it on the desktop. Then, you can either > print it, or send it. > for today, > Car At 09:35 AM 12/8/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. >>I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. >>Blessings, Joshua >> >>On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school >> work done? Or >> > how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't >> have a note >> > taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore as it >> > was >> > the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me via >> > outside >> > sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, >> though I wish I >> > had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a laptop. >> > For >> > example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the >> public transit >> > bus reading the material or studying as well. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> > Of Joshua Lester >> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >> > >> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> > Well, one more test, and my semester is over! >> > I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the >> > Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. >> > Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, >> (something I >> > had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't >> help me with >> > the Pac Mate, but I digress. >> > I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two endependent >> > studies, for both of my Science classes. >> > I also have endependent study for College Algebra. >> > I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and >> > Safety." >> > I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. >> > I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g >> > mail.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Thu Dec 8 23:36:21 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:36:21 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling References: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA><7.0.1.0.2.20111208133153.01d145e8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000f01ccb602$31616cc0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Josh and everyone, I'd think that the Perkins Brailler in a classroom setting would be very distracting to other students. This situation is easily fixed by learning to use the slate and stylus. Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling I don't take the lap top to classes, to take notes, because I have to have headphones, so that the fellow students wouldn't hear the Jaws talking to me. I can't hear my instructor, and Jaws both. I use the Perkins Brailler, in class. I have readers read my tests to me. Blessings, Joshua On 12/8/11, Carly wrote: > > A thing is to record instructions of an assignment, meant to be done > in class then, go home and do it on the desktop. Then, you can either > print it, or send it. > for today, > Car At 09:35 AM 12/8/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. >>I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. >>Blessings, Joshua >> >>On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school >> work done? Or >> > how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't >> have a note >> > taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore as it >> > was >> > the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me via >> > outside >> > sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, >> though I wish I >> > had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a laptop. >> > For >> > example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the >> public transit >> > bus reading the material or studying as well. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> > Of Joshua Lester >> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >> > >> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> > Well, one more test, and my semester is over! >> > I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the >> > Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. >> > Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, >> (something I >> > had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't >> help me with >> > the Pac Mate, but I digress. >> > I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two endependent >> > studies, for both of my Science classes. >> > I also have endependent study for College Algebra. >> > I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and >> > Safety." >> > I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. >> > I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g >> > mail.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From liamskitten at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 23:38:27 2011 From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Courtney Stover) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:38:27 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: References: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA> <7.0.1.0.2.20111208133153.01d145e8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Joshua, It takes some practice, but it can become quite easy to write with the volume muted on the Lap Top. I write fiction, and the Jaws becomes incredibly distracting for the flow of words in my head, so I've learned to write with the volume muted. It might be something to practice over the winter break; at first, you'll make lots of mistakes, but as you become more comfortable, it'll get easier and easier. This would allow you to take the Lap Top and take notes independently. Courtney On 12/8/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > I don't take the lap top to classes, to take notes, because I have to > have headphones, so that the fellow students wouldn't hear the Jaws > talking to me. > I can't hear my instructor, and Jaws both. > I use the Perkins Brailler, in class. > I have readers read my tests to me. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/8/11, Carly wrote: >> >> A thing is to record instructions of an assignment, meant to be done >> in class then, go home and do it on the desktop. Then, you can either >> print it, or send it. >> for today, >> Car At 09:35 AM 12/8/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. >>>I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. >>>Blessings, Joshua >>> >>>On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>> > Hello, >>> > >>> > Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school >>> work done? Or >>> > how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't >>> have a note >>> > taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore as it >>> > was >>> > the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me via >>> > outside >>> > sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, >>> though I wish I >>> > had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a laptop. >>> > For >>> > example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the >>> public transit >>> > bus reading the material or studying as well. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>> > Of Joshua Lester >>> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM >>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>> > >>> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> > Well, one more test, and my semester is over! >>> > I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the >>> > Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. >>> > Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, >>> (something I >>> > had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't >>> help me with >>> > the Pac Mate, but I digress. >>> > I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two endependent >>> > studies, for both of my Science classes. >>> > I also have endependent study for College Algebra. >>> > I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and >>> > Safety." >>> > I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. >>> > I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! >>> > Blessings, Joshua >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g >>> > mail.com >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> > >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com > From kobycox at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 23:47:20 2011 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:47:20 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <8B6C957F7F5445BDABB98DEFBF57B099@OwnerPC> Can you please email me off list? My email address is: kobycox at gmail.com Thanks, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Courtney Stover Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:38 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling Joshua, It takes some practice, but it can become quite easy to write with the volume muted on the Lap Top. I write fiction, and the Jaws becomes incredibly distracting for the flow of words in my head, so I've learned to write with the volume muted. It might be something to practice over the winter break; at first, you'll make lots of mistakes, but as you become more comfortable, it'll get easier and easier. This would allow you to take the Lap Top and take notes independently. Courtney On 12/8/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > I don't take the lap top to classes, to take notes, because I have to > have headphones, so that the fellow students wouldn't hear the Jaws > talking to me. > I can't hear my instructor, and Jaws both. > I use the Perkins Brailler, in class. > I have readers read my tests to me. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/8/11, Carly wrote: >> >> A thing is to record instructions of an assignment, meant to be done >> in class then, go home and do it on the desktop. Then, you can either >> print it, or send it. >> for today, >> Car At 09:35 AM 12/8/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. >>>I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. >>>Blessings, Joshua >>> >>>On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>> > Hello, >>> > >>> > Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school >>> work done? Or >>> > how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't >>> have a note >>> > taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore as it >>> > was >>> > the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me via >>> > outside >>> > sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, >>> though I wish I >>> > had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a laptop. >>> > For >>> > example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the >>> public transit >>> > bus reading the material or studying as well. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>> > Of Joshua Lester >>> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM >>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>> > >>> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> > Well, one more test, and my semester is over! >>> > I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the >>> > Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. >>> > Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, >>> (something I >>> > had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't >>> help me with >>> > the Pac Mate, but I digress. >>> > I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two endependent >>> > studies, for both of my Science classes. >>> > I also have endependent study for College Algebra. >>> > I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and >>> > Safety." >>> > I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. >>> > I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! >>> > Blessings, Joshua >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 %40g >>> > mail.com >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40studen ts.pccua.edu >>> > >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthl ink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40studen ts.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail. com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4066 - Release Date: 12/07/11 13:34:00 From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 23:47:25 2011 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 18:47:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling References: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA><7.0.1.0.2.20111208133153.01d145e8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <610BFD38DC3740D29DB11556A584DF4C@hometwxakonvzn> Courtney, I write some fiction as well. RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Courtney Stover" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling > Joshua, > > It takes some practice, but it can become quite easy to write with the > volume muted on the Lap Top. > > I write fiction, and the Jaws becomes incredibly distracting for the > flow of words in my head, so I've learned to write with the volume > muted. > > It might be something to practice over the winter break; at first, > you'll make lots of mistakes, but as you become more comfortable, > it'll get easier and easier. > > This would allow you to take the Lap Top and take notes independently. > Courtney > > On 12/8/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I don't take the lap top to classes, to take notes, because I have to >> have headphones, so that the fellow students wouldn't hear the Jaws >> talking to me. >> I can't hear my instructor, and Jaws both. >> I use the Perkins Brailler, in class. >> I have readers read my tests to me. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/8/11, Carly wrote: >>> >>> A thing is to record instructions of an assignment, meant to be done >>> in class then, go home and do it on the desktop. Then, you can either >>> print it, or send it. >>> for today, >>> Car At 09:35 AM 12/8/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. >>>>I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. >>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>>On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>> > Hello, >>>> > >>>> > Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school >>>> work done? Or >>>> > how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't >>>> have a note >>>> > taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore as >>>> > it >>>> > was >>>> > the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me via >>>> > outside >>>> > sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, >>>> though I wish I >>>> > had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a >>>> > laptop. >>>> > For >>>> > example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the >>>> public transit >>>> > bus reading the material or studying as well. >>>> > >>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>>> > Of Joshua Lester >>>> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>>> > >>>> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> > Well, one more test, and my semester is over! >>>> > I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the >>>> > Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. >>>> > Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, >>>> (something I >>>> > had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't >>>> help me with >>>> > the Pac Mate, but I digress. >>>> > I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two endependent >>>> > studies, for both of my Science classes. >>>> > I also have endependent study for College Algebra. >>>> > I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and >>>> > Safety." >>>> > I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. >>>> > I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! >>>> > Blessings, Joshua >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g >>>> > mail.com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> > >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 23:51:02 2011 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 18:51:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling References: <8B6C957F7F5445BDABB98DEFBF57B099@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Me to, Do you use skype courtney? RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koby Cox" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling > Can you please email me off list? My email address is: > kobycox at gmail.com > Thanks, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Courtney Stover > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:38 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling > > Joshua, > > It takes some practice, but it can become quite easy to write with the > volume muted on the Lap Top. > > I write fiction, and the Jaws becomes incredibly distracting for the > flow of words in my head, so I've learned to write with the volume > muted. > > It might be something to practice over the winter break; at first, > you'll make lots of mistakes, but as you become more comfortable, > it'll get easier and easier. > > This would allow you to take the Lap Top and take notes independently. > Courtney > > On 12/8/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I don't take the lap top to classes, to take notes, because I have to >> have headphones, so that the fellow students wouldn't hear the Jaws >> talking to me. >> I can't hear my instructor, and Jaws both. >> I use the Perkins Brailler, in class. >> I have readers read my tests to me. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/8/11, Carly wrote: >>> >>> A thing is to record instructions of an assignment, meant to be done >>> in class then, go home and do it on the desktop. Then, you can either >>> print it, or send it. >>> for today, >>> Car At 09:35 AM 12/8/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. >>>>I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. >>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>>On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>> > Hello, >>>> > >>>> > Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school >>>> work done? Or >>>> > how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't >>>> have a note >>>> > taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore > as it >>>> > was >>>> > the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me > via >>>> > outside >>>> > sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, >>>> though I wish I >>>> > had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a > laptop. >>>> > For >>>> > example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the >>>> public transit >>>> > bus reading the material or studying as well. >>>> > >>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>>> > Of Joshua Lester >>>> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>>> > >>>> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> > Well, one more test, and my semester is over! >>>> > I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the >>>> > Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. >>>> > Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, >>>> (something I >>>> > had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't >>>> help me with >>>> > the Pac Mate, but I digress. >>>> > I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two > endependent >>>> > studies, for both of my Science classes. >>>> > I also have endependent study for College Algebra. >>>> > I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and >>>> > Safety." >>>> > I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. >>>> > I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! >>>> > Blessings, Joshua >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 > %40g >>>> > mail.com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40studen > ts.pccua.edu >>>> > >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthl > ink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40studen > ts.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail. > com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4066 - Release Date: 12/07/11 > 13:34:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From liamskitten at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 23:56:30 2011 From: liamskitten at gmail.com (Courtney Stover) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:56:30 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: References: <8B6C957F7F5445BDABB98DEFBF57B099@OwnerPC> Message-ID: RJ, I could never quite figure Skype out; so, no, for the moment, though I'm tinkering with it when I get the time. Courtney On 12/8/11, RJ Sandefur wrote: > Me to, Do you use skype courtney? RJ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Koby Cox" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 6:47 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling > > >> Can you please email me off list? My email address is: >> kobycox at gmail.com >> Thanks, >> Koby. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Courtney Stover >> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:38 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >> >> Joshua, >> >> It takes some practice, but it can become quite easy to write with the >> volume muted on the Lap Top. >> >> I write fiction, and the Jaws becomes incredibly distracting for the >> flow of words in my head, so I've learned to write with the volume >> muted. >> >> It might be something to practice over the winter break; at first, >> you'll make lots of mistakes, but as you become more comfortable, >> it'll get easier and easier. >> >> This would allow you to take the Lap Top and take notes independently. >> Courtney >> >> On 12/8/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> I don't take the lap top to classes, to take notes, because I have to >>> have headphones, so that the fellow students wouldn't hear the Jaws >>> talking to me. >>> I can't hear my instructor, and Jaws both. >>> I use the Perkins Brailler, in class. >>> I have readers read my tests to me. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 12/8/11, Carly wrote: >>>> >>>> A thing is to record instructions of an assignment, meant to be done >>>> in class then, go home and do it on the desktop. Then, you can either >>>> print it, or send it. >>>> for today, >>>> Car At 09:35 AM 12/8/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. >>>>>I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. >>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>>On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>>> > Hello, >>>>> > >>>>> > Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school >>>>> work done? Or >>>>> > how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't >>>>> have a note >>>>> > taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore >> as it >>>>> > was >>>>> > the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me >> via >>>>> > outside >>>>> > sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, >>>>> though I wish I >>>>> > had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a >> laptop. >>>>> > For >>>>> > example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the >>>>> public transit >>>>> > bus reading the material or studying as well. >>>>> > >>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>>>> > Of Joshua Lester >>>>> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM >>>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>>>> > >>>>> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>> > Well, one more test, and my semester is over! >>>>> > I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the >>>>> > Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. >>>>> > Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, >>>>> (something I >>>>> > had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't >>>>> help me with >>>>> > the Pac Mate, but I digress. >>>>> > I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two >> endependent >>>>> > studies, for both of my Science classes. >>>>> > I also have endependent study for College Algebra. >>>>> > I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and >>>>> > Safety." >>>>> > I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. >>>>> > I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! >>>>> > Blessings, Joshua >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >>>>> > nabs-l: >>>>> > >>>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >> %40g >>>>> > mail.com >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >>>>> > nabs-l: >>>>> > >>>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40studen >> ts.pccua.edu >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthl >> ink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40studen >> ts.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail. >> com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4066 - Release Date: 12/07/11 >> 13:34:00 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com > From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 00:32:16 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 16:32:16 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: References: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA><7.0.1.0.2.20111208133153.01d145e8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <91D6FD7773154388992166B7C350A65F@HUMBERTOAVILA> Also josh, there is a setting on JAWS that allows you to adjust your typing echo. You can tell JAWS to speak characters, words, both characters and words, and off. I personally have it set to off because I am very comfortable and I can type very fast. I've gotten so used to the JAWS voice, or screen reading voice for that matter, to the point it becomes a little distracting. So if you can at least try it over the winter break, it will be fine. The quick command to adjust the setting is insert+2, (the number two being located on the number row above the Q, W, E, R, ... Keys) Or, another option for you is to record your classes. You can even do this by using your laptop. Depending on your operating system and or version of windows, you have options for different type of software you can use. Many laptops now have microphones built-in already so you don't have to worry about microphones. You can download free software called "Audacity" from http://audacity.sourceForge.net. I use it and it is really good for recording for long periods of time. Anyways please let us know how things go, and, if you wish to record your class lectures, please let me know the version of windows and the ram you are using. I can point you out for getting the right software for you to start recording. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Courtney Stover Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:38 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling Joshua, It takes some practice, but it can become quite easy to write with the volume muted on the Lap Top. I write fiction, and the Jaws becomes incredibly distracting for the flow of words in my head, so I've learned to write with the volume muted. It might be something to practice over the winter break; at first, you'll make lots of mistakes, but as you become more comfortable, it'll get easier and easier. This would allow you to take the Lap Top and take notes independently. Courtney On 12/8/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > I don't take the lap top to classes, to take notes, because I have to > have headphones, so that the fellow students wouldn't hear the Jaws > talking to me. > I can't hear my instructor, and Jaws both. > I use the Perkins Brailler, in class. > I have readers read my tests to me. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/8/11, Carly wrote: >> >> A thing is to record instructions of an assignment, meant to be done >> in class then, go home and do it on the desktop. Then, you can either >> print it, or send it. >> for today, >> Car At 09:35 AM 12/8/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. >>>I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. >>>Blessings, Joshua >>> >>>On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>> > Hello, >>> > >>> > Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school >>> work done? Or >>> > how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't >>> have a note >>> > taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore >>> > as it was the district's. now I just have a laptop that was >>> > donated to me via outside sources. I can use it at school and at >>> > home with no problem, >>> though I wish I >>> > had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a laptop. >>> > For >>> > example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the >>> public transit >>> > bus reading the material or studying as well. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>> > Of Joshua Lester >>> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM >>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>> > >>> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> > Well, one more test, and my semester is over! >>> > I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the >>> > Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. >>> > Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, >>> (something I >>> > had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't >>> help me with >>> > the Pac Mate, but I digress. >>> > I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two >>> > endependent studies, for both of my Science classes. >>> > I also have endependent study for College Algebra. >>> > I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and >>> > Safety." >>> > I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. >>> > I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! >>> > Blessings, Joshua >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> > for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humbe >>> rto2%40g >>> > mail.com >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> > for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40st >>> udents.pccua.edu >>> > >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthl >>>ink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stu >> dents.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmai > l.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Dec 9 00:45:13 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 19:45:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: <91D6FD7773154388992166B7C350A65F@HUMBERTOAVILA> References: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA><7.0.1.0.2.20111208133153.01d145e8@earthlink.net> <91D6FD7773154388992166B7C350A65F@HUMBERTOAVILA> Message-ID: <7EBE9A6BE8474E31BE85B89140A57C17@OwnerPC> Humberto, What does audacity do? I want to record some stuff like notes and wondered about this program. Does it edit the recording? -----Original Message----- From: Humberto Avila Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:32 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling Also josh, there is a setting on JAWS that allows you to adjust your typing echo. You can tell JAWS to speak characters, words, both characters and words, and off. I personally have it set to off because I am very comfortable and I can type very fast. I've gotten so used to the JAWS voice, or screen reading voice for that matter, to the point it becomes a little distracting. So if you can at least try it over the winter break, it will be fine. The quick command to adjust the setting is insert+2, (the number two being located on the number row above the Q, W, E, R, ... Keys) Or, another option for you is to record your classes. You can even do this by using your laptop. Depending on your operating system and or version of windows, you have options for different type of software you can use. Many laptops now have microphones built-in already so you don't have to worry about microphones. You can download free software called "Audacity" from http://audacity.sourceForge.net. I use it and it is really good for recording for long periods of time. Anyways please let us know how things go, and, if you wish to record your class lectures, please let me know the version of windows and the ram you are using. I can point you out for getting the right software for you to start recording. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Courtney Stover Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:38 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling Joshua, It takes some practice, but it can become quite easy to write with the volume muted on the Lap Top. I write fiction, and the Jaws becomes incredibly distracting for the flow of words in my head, so I've learned to write with the volume muted. It might be something to practice over the winter break; at first, you'll make lots of mistakes, but as you become more comfortable, it'll get easier and easier. This would allow you to take the Lap Top and take notes independently. Courtney On 12/8/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > I don't take the lap top to classes, to take notes, because I have to > have headphones, so that the fellow students wouldn't hear the Jaws > talking to me. > I can't hear my instructor, and Jaws both. > I use the Perkins Brailler, in class. > I have readers read my tests to me. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/8/11, Carly wrote: >> >> A thing is to record instructions of an assignment, meant to be done >> in class then, go home and do it on the desktop. Then, you can either >> print it, or send it. >> for today, >> Car At 09:35 AM 12/8/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. >>>I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. >>>Blessings, Joshua >>> >>>On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>> > Hello, >>> > >>> > Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school >>> work done? Or >>> > how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't >>> have a note >>> > taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore >>> > as it was the district's. now I just have a laptop that was >>> > donated to me via outside sources. I can use it at school and at >>> > home with no problem, >>> though I wish I >>> > had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a laptop. >>> > For >>> > example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the >>> public transit >>> > bus reading the material or studying as well. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>> > Of Joshua Lester >>> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM >>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>> > >>> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> > Well, one more test, and my semester is over! >>> > I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the >>> > Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. >>> > Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, >>> (something I >>> > had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't >>> help me with >>> > the Pac Mate, but I digress. >>> > I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two >>> > endependent studies, for both of my Science classes. >>> > I also have endependent study for College Algebra. >>> > I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and >>> > Safety." >>> > I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. >>> > I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! >>> > Blessings, Joshua >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> > for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humbe >>> rto2%40g >>> > mail.com >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> > for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40st >>> udents.pccua.edu >>> > >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthl >>>ink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stu >> dents.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmai > l.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 00:51:11 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 16:51:11 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: <7EBE9A6BE8474E31BE85B89140A57C17@OwnerPC> References: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA><7.0.1.0.2.20111208133153.01d145e8@earthlink.net><91D6FD7773154388992166B7C350A65F@HUMBERTOAVILA> <7EBE9A6BE8474E31BE85B89140A57C17@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <30C2B6DA49D04EDC95428E9ED0741C79@HUMBERTOAVILA> Ashley, Just visit http://audacity.sourceforge.net, and you will find a good description of the program. Audacity is a free, cross-platform audio editor and recorder. It will let you record sounds from a microphone and computer, and you only have to memorize certain keystrokes to do it. Basically it is like a tape recorder, only it is digital, and "embedded" in software form. You can export your recordings as .WAV and .mp3 formats. It is very good at least for me--I have recorded classes for quite some time now and even in high school. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 4:45 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling Humberto, What does audacity do? I want to record some stuff like notes and wondered about this program. Does it edit the recording? -----Original Message----- From: Humberto Avila Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:32 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling Also josh, there is a setting on JAWS that allows you to adjust your typing echo. You can tell JAWS to speak characters, words, both characters and words, and off. I personally have it set to off because I am very comfortable and I can type very fast. I've gotten so used to the JAWS voice, or screen reading voice for that matter, to the point it becomes a little distracting. So if you can at least try it over the winter break, it will be fine. The quick command to adjust the setting is insert+2, (the number two being located on the number row above the Q, W, E, R, ... Keys) Or, another option for you is to record your classes. You can even do this by using your laptop. Depending on your operating system and or version of windows, you have options for different type of software you can use. Many laptops now have microphones built-in already so you don't have to worry about microphones. You can download free software called "Audacity" from http://audacity.sourceForge.net. I use it and it is really good for recording for long periods of time. Anyways please let us know how things go, and, if you wish to record your class lectures, please let me know the version of windows and the ram you are using. I can point you out for getting the right software for you to start recording. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Courtney Stover Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 3:38 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling Joshua, It takes some practice, but it can become quite easy to write with the volume muted on the Lap Top. I write fiction, and the Jaws becomes incredibly distracting for the flow of words in my head, so I've learned to write with the volume muted. It might be something to practice over the winter break; at first, you'll make lots of mistakes, but as you become more comfortable, it'll get easier and easier. This would allow you to take the Lap Top and take notes independently. Courtney On 12/8/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > I don't take the lap top to classes, to take notes, because I have to > have headphones, so that the fellow students wouldn't hear the Jaws > talking to me. > I can't hear my instructor, and Jaws both. > I use the Perkins Brailler, in class. > I have readers read my tests to me. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/8/11, Carly wrote: >> >> A thing is to record instructions of an assignment, meant to be done >> in class then, go home and do it on the desktop. Then, you can either >> print it, or send it. >> for today, >> Car At 09:35 AM 12/8/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. >>>I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. >>>Blessings, Joshua >>> >>>On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>> > Hello, >>> > >>> > Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school >>> work done? Or >>> > how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't >>> have a note >>> > taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore >>> > as it was the district's. now I just have a laptop that was >>> > donated to me via outside sources. I can use it at school and at >>> > home with no problem, >>> though I wish I >>> > had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a laptop. >>> > For >>> > example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the >>> public transit >>> > bus reading the material or studying as well. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>> > Of Joshua Lester >>> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM >>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>> > >>> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> > Well, one more test, and my semester is over! >>> > I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the >>> > Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. >>> > Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, >>> (something I >>> > had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't >>> help me with >>> > the Pac Mate, but I digress. >>> > I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two >>> > endependent studies, for both of my Science classes. >>> > I also have endependent study for College Algebra. >>> > I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and >>> > Safety." >>> > I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. >>> > I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! >>> > Blessings, Joshua >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> > for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humbe >>> rto2%40g >>> > mail.com >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> > for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40st >>> udents.pccua.edu >>> > >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthl >>>ink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40stu >> dents.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmai > l.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 01:02:46 2011 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 20:02:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling References: <8B6C957F7F5445BDABB98DEFBF57B099@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <9A8425CC060D42FFBCC6D9C61A16293F@hometwxakonvzn> I could help you with it. RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Courtney Stover" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling > RJ, > > I could never quite figure Skype out; so, no, for the moment, though > I'm tinkering with it when I get the time. > Courtney > > On 12/8/11, RJ Sandefur wrote: >> Me to, Do you use skype courtney? RJ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Koby Cox" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> >> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 6:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >> >> >>> Can you please email me off list? My email address is: >>> kobycox at gmail.com >>> Thanks, >>> Koby. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf Of Courtney Stover >>> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:38 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>> >>> Joshua, >>> >>> It takes some practice, but it can become quite easy to write with the >>> volume muted on the Lap Top. >>> >>> I write fiction, and the Jaws becomes incredibly distracting for the >>> flow of words in my head, so I've learned to write with the volume >>> muted. >>> >>> It might be something to practice over the winter break; at first, >>> you'll make lots of mistakes, but as you become more comfortable, >>> it'll get easier and easier. >>> >>> This would allow you to take the Lap Top and take notes independently. >>> Courtney >>> >>> On 12/8/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> I don't take the lap top to classes, to take notes, because I have to >>>> have headphones, so that the fellow students wouldn't hear the Jaws >>>> talking to me. >>>> I can't hear my instructor, and Jaws both. >>>> I use the Perkins Brailler, in class. >>>> I have readers read my tests to me. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 12/8/11, Carly wrote: >>>>> >>>>> A thing is to record instructions of an assignment, meant to be done >>>>> in class then, go home and do it on the desktop. Then, you can either >>>>> print it, or send it. >>>>> for today, >>>>> Car At 09:35 AM 12/8/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>>I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. >>>>>>I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. >>>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>>On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>>>> > Hello, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school >>>>>> work done? Or >>>>>> > how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't >>>>>> have a note >>>>>> > taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore >>> as it >>>>>> > was >>>>>> > the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me >>> via >>>>>> > outside >>>>>> > sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, >>>>>> though I wish I >>>>>> > had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a >>> laptop. >>>>>> > For >>>>>> > example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the >>>>>> public transit >>>>>> > bus reading the material or studying as well. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>>>>> > Of Joshua Lester >>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM >>>>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>> > Well, one more test, and my semester is over! >>>>>> > I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the >>>>>> > Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. >>>>>> > Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, >>>>>> (something I >>>>>> > had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't >>>>>> help me with >>>>>> > the Pac Mate, but I digress. >>>>>> > I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two >>> endependent >>>>>> > studies, for both of my Science classes. >>>>>> > I also have endependent study for College Algebra. >>>>>> > I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and >>>>>> > Safety." >>>>>> > I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. >>>>>> > I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! >>>>>> > Blessings, Joshua >>>>>> > >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>>>>> > nabs-l: >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>> %40g >>>>>> > mail.com >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>>>>> > nabs-l: >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40studen >>> ts.pccua.edu >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthl >>> ink.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40studen >>> ts.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail. >>> com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4066 - Release Date: 12/07/11 >>> 13:34:00 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 02:57:07 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 19:57:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: <9A8425CC060D42FFBCC6D9C61A16293F@hometwxakonvzn> References: <8B6C957F7F5445BDABB98DEFBF57B099@OwnerPC> <9A8425CC060D42FFBCC6D9C61A16293F@hometwxakonvzn> Message-ID: Hi all, You can buy a netbook for about a tenth of the cost of a typical Braille notetaker and use that to take notes, write assignments, etc. I have an Acer Aspire one netbook that cost me about $350 and I installed JAWS and Microsoft Office on it (it comes with Internet Explorer and Outlook). It weighs less than 3 pounds and so is very portable. I also occasionally pair it with a small Braille display. I keep it in standby mode most of the time, so it takes me about ten seconds to whip out and go back into a file-just like a notetaker. As for using it in public, I use earbuds in one ear only, so the other ear is open to the lecture or whatever else is going on. I often take it with me into talks where I can read the presentation or handout as it is being discussed. I honestly don't understand why so many students spend so much on laptops when a netbook can do at least 90% of the same work at a fraction of the cost and with superior portability and battery life. (Did I mention my battery lasts me 5-6 hours?) I used a notetaker until last year, but after it crashed I decided not to replace it and I have been happy with using the netbook instead. Best, Arielle On 12/8/11, RJ Sandefur wrote: > I could help you with it. RJ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Courtney Stover" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 6:56 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling > > >> RJ, >> >> I could never quite figure Skype out; so, no, for the moment, though >> I'm tinkering with it when I get the time. >> Courtney >> >> On 12/8/11, RJ Sandefur wrote: >>> Me to, Do you use skype courtney? RJ >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Koby Cox" >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 6:47 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>> >>> >>>> Can you please email me off list? My email address is: >>>> kobycox at gmail.com >>>> Thanks, >>>> Koby. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Courtney Stover >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:38 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>>> >>>> Joshua, >>>> >>>> It takes some practice, but it can become quite easy to write with the >>>> volume muted on the Lap Top. >>>> >>>> I write fiction, and the Jaws becomes incredibly distracting for the >>>> flow of words in my head, so I've learned to write with the volume >>>> muted. >>>> >>>> It might be something to practice over the winter break; at first, >>>> you'll make lots of mistakes, but as you become more comfortable, >>>> it'll get easier and easier. >>>> >>>> This would allow you to take the Lap Top and take notes independently. >>>> Courtney >>>> >>>> On 12/8/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>> I don't take the lap top to classes, to take notes, because I have to >>>>> have headphones, so that the fellow students wouldn't hear the Jaws >>>>> talking to me. >>>>> I can't hear my instructor, and Jaws both. >>>>> I use the Perkins Brailler, in class. >>>>> I have readers read my tests to me. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 12/8/11, Carly wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> A thing is to record instructions of an assignment, meant to be done >>>>>> in class then, go home and do it on the desktop. Then, you can either >>>>>> print it, or send it. >>>>>> for today, >>>>>> Car At 09:35 AM 12/8/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>>>I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. >>>>>>>I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. >>>>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>>>>> > Hello, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school >>>>>>> work done? Or >>>>>>> > how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't >>>>>>> have a note >>>>>>> > taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore >>>> as it >>>>>>> > was >>>>>>> > the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me >>>> via >>>>>>> > outside >>>>>>> > sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, >>>>>>> though I wish I >>>>>>> > had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a >>>> laptop. >>>>>>> > For >>>>>>> > example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the >>>>>>> public transit >>>>>>> > bus reading the material or studying as well. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>>>>>> > Of Joshua Lester >>>>>>> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM >>>>>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>> > Well, one more test, and my semester is over! >>>>>>> > I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the >>>>>>> > Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. >>>>>>> > Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, >>>>>>> (something I >>>>>>> > had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't >>>>>>> help me with >>>>>>> > the Pac Mate, but I digress. >>>>>>> > I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two >>>> endependent >>>>>>> > studies, for both of my Science classes. >>>>>>> > I also have endependent study for College Algebra. >>>>>>> > I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and >>>>>>> > Safety." >>>>>>> > I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. >>>>>>> > I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! >>>>>>> > Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>>>>> > nabs-l: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2 >>>> %40g >>>>>>> > mail.com >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>>>>> > nabs-l: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40studen >>>> ts.pccua.edu >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthl >>>> ink.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40studen >>>> ts.pccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail. >>>> com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4066 - Release Date: 12/07/11 >>>> 13:34:00 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/liamskitten%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From mr.nicholas.parsons at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 04:36:58 2011 From: mr.nicholas.parsons at gmail.com (Nicholas Parsons) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:36:58 +0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod tuch and voiceover Message-ID: Voiceover on the touch screens is difficult to learn but, once you get the hang of it, it is brilliant. I've used voiceover touch screens on the iPhone, iPad and iPod Nano. When I first tried the iPhone I decided it was too complicated and difficult and decided not to get one. But later, I have taken the time to learn an iPod Nano, which is much simpler because of the smaller screens and smaller number of options and functions etc. When you turn voiceover on, the gestures change, so most sighted people will become confused if they try and use it, and think it's not working properly. With voiceover on, it allows you to tap the screen anywhere, and it tells you what button you're tapping on. If you hold down your finger and move it around, it tells you when you move to a new section/button, and beeps if you're touching nothing. To select the button you just touched, you need only double tap. To scroll to the next screen or the next items in a list, you just swipe (or flick) your finger up or down, quickly. In the voice over settings, which can be found in Settings - General - Accessibility - Voiceover, you can control the language of Voiceover (there are around 21), the speed and the verbocity. I now use my iPod every day and I love it. Can't believe it took me so long to get one. I mainly use it for listening to audiobooks and podcasts. The main problem you will find when learning how to use it, is not knowing where on the screen to tap. You may keep missing some small button somewhere and so never know it's there. I would advise you to ask a sighted person to describe for you the layout of the screen, how many options typically appear on each screen etc. However, when you're in a list, voiceover does describe to you how many list items are showing. It says, for example, "Displaying rows 1 to 4 of 17", meaning that there are currently 4 list items showing on the screen, with another 13 off the screen that you can scroll to using the flicking gesture. Also, the holding down and moving your finger around move is a good one to learn the layout of the screen. Now that I'm more familiar with how to use voiceover with touch screens, I want to get an iPhone. The iPad is still a little confusing, as there are so many different areas on the screen and so many different things to tap. You can read more on Voiceover for iPod Touch and other accessibility options for Apple at: http://www.apple.com/accessibility/itunes/ipodtouch.html Best, Nic From carlymih at earthlink.net Fri Dec 9 04:55:17 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 20:55:17 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: <000f01ccb602$31616cc0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA> <7.0.1.0.2.20111208133153.01d145e8@earthlink.net> <000f01ccb602$31616cc0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20111208205220.01cda608@earthlink.net> JHi, I used a 28-line lonf slate from Germany to scribe notes in high school. If you can get ahold of one of those, your experience with the slate can feel much more productive. You can try GOOGL-ing something like German slates or production of braille in Germany. for today, Car Peter Donahue wrote: >Hello Josh and everyone, > > I'd think that the Perkins Brailler in a classroom setting would be very >distracting to other students. This situation is easily fixed by learning to >use the slate and stylus. >Peter Donahue > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joshua Lester" >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:31 PM >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling > > >I don't take the lap top to classes, to take notes, because I have to >have headphones, so that the fellow students wouldn't hear the Jaws >talking to me. >I can't hear my instructor, and Jaws both. >I use the Perkins Brailler, in class. >I have readers read my tests to me. >Blessings, Joshua > >On 12/8/11, Carly wrote: > > > > A thing is to record instructions of an assignment, meant to be done > > in class then, go home and do it on the desktop. Then, you can either > > print it, or send it. > > for today, > > Car At 09:35 AM 12/8/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: > >>I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. > >>I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. > >>Blessings, Joshua > >> > >>On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > >> > Hello, > >> > > >> > Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school > >> work done? Or > >> > how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't > >> have a note > >> > taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore as it > >> > was > >> > the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me via > >> > outside > >> > sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, > >> though I wish I > >> > had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a laptop. > >> > For > >> > example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the > >> public transit > >> > bus reading the material or studying as well. > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > >> > Of Joshua Lester > >> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM > >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling > >> > > >> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > >> > Well, one more test, and my semester is over! > >> > I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the > >> > Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. > >> > Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, > >> (something I > >> > had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't > >> help me with > >> > the Pac Mate, but I digress. > >> > I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two endependent > >> > studies, for both of my Science classes. > >> > I also have endependent study for College Algebra. > >> > I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and > >> > Safety." > >> > I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. > >> > I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! > >> > Blessings, Joshua > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> > nabs-l: > >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > >> > mail.com > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> > nabs-l: > >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >> > > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>nabs-l mailing list > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ear > thlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Dec 9 05:05:46 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 23:05:46 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20111208205220.01cda608@earthlink.net> References: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA> <7.0.1.0.2.20111208133153.01d145e8@earthlink.net> <000f01ccb602$31616cc0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <7.0.1.0.2.20111208205220.01cda608@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I'm not good with the Slate and Stylus. I had all kinds of trouble learning it, in Elementary school. As for the Netbook, if you used a Braille display, you wouldn't need the speech, as you're typing. This would work for me. I could turn it on, and the Braille display would have all of the stuff, popping up in Braille. I might check into getting the Netbook. How many cells does your display have? How much did it cost? Please E-mail me offlist. Thanks, Joshua On 12/8/11, Carly wrote: > > JHi, I used a 28-line lonf slate from Germany to scribe notes in high > school. If you can get ahold of one of those, your experience with > the slate can feel much more productive. You can try GOOGL-ing > something like German slates or production of braille in Germany. > for today, > Car > > > Peter Donahue wrote: >>Hello Josh and everyone, >> >> I'd think that the Perkins Brailler in a classroom setting would be >> very >>distracting to other students. This situation is easily fixed by learning >> to >>use the slate and stylus. >>Peter Donahue >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Joshua Lester" >>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:31 PM >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >> >> >>I don't take the lap top to classes, to take notes, because I have to >>have headphones, so that the fellow students wouldn't hear the Jaws >>talking to me. >>I can't hear my instructor, and Jaws both. >>I use the Perkins Brailler, in class. >>I have readers read my tests to me. >>Blessings, Joshua >> >>On 12/8/11, Carly wrote: >> > >> > A thing is to record instructions of an assignment, meant to be done >> > in class then, go home and do it on the desktop. Then, you can either >> > print it, or send it. >> > for today, >> > Car At 09:35 AM 12/8/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >>I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. >> >>I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. >> >>Blessings, Joshua >> >> >> >>On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >> >> > Hello, >> >> > >> >> > Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school >> >> work done? Or >> >> > how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't >> >> have a note >> >> > taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore as >> >> > it >> >> > was >> >> > the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me via >> >> > outside >> >> > sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, >> >> though I wish I >> >> > had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a >> >> > laptop. >> >> > For >> >> > example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the >> >> public transit >> >> > bus reading the material or studying as well. >> >> > >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> >> > Of Joshua Lester >> >> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM >> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >> >> > >> >> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> >> > Well, one more test, and my semester is over! >> >> > I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the >> >> > Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. >> >> > Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, >> >> (something I >> >> > had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't >> >> help me with >> >> > the Pac Mate, but I digress. >> >> > I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two endependent >> >> > studies, for both of my Science classes. >> >> > I also have endependent study for College Algebra. >> >> > I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and >> >> > Safety." >> >> > I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. >> >> > I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! >> >> > Blessings, Joshua >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > nabs-l mailing list >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> > nabs-l: >> >> > >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g >> >> > mail.com >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > nabs-l mailing list >> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> > nabs-l: >> >> > >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >> > >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>nabs-l mailing list >> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ear >> thlink.net >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 05:25:15 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 22:25:15 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: References: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA> <7.0.1.0.2.20111208133153.01d145e8@earthlink.net> <000f01ccb602$31616cc0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <7.0.1.0.2.20111208205220.01cda608@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi Joshua, I'll respond on-list since others may be interested. I bought a RefreshaBraille 18 from American Printing House for the Blind for $1800. It's expensive, but cheap by Braille display standards. It has 18 cells. To be honest, I haven't used it as much as I expected, mostly because I've just gotten used to using the speech. But it is very small and portable, about the size of a deck of cards, and so could be very helpful. Using the one earbud works well too. Best, Arielle On 12/8/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > I'm not good with the Slate and Stylus. > I had all kinds of trouble learning it, in Elementary school. > As for the Netbook, if you used a Braille display, you wouldn't need > the speech, as you're typing. > This would work for me. > I could turn it on, and the Braille display would have all of the > stuff, popping up in Braille. > I might check into getting the Netbook. > How many cells does your display have? > How much did it cost? > Please E-mail me offlist. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 12/8/11, Carly wrote: >> >> JHi, I used a 28-line lonf slate from Germany to scribe notes in high >> school. If you can get ahold of one of those, your experience with >> the slate can feel much more productive. You can try GOOGL-ing >> something like German slates or production of braille in Germany. >> for today, >> Car >> >> >> Peter Donahue wrote: >>>Hello Josh and everyone, >>> >>> I'd think that the Perkins Brailler in a classroom setting would be >>> very >>>distracting to other students. This situation is easily fixed by learning >>> to >>>use the slate and stylus. >>>Peter Donahue >>> >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Joshua Lester" >>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:31 PM >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>> >>> >>>I don't take the lap top to classes, to take notes, because I have to >>>have headphones, so that the fellow students wouldn't hear the Jaws >>>talking to me. >>>I can't hear my instructor, and Jaws both. >>>I use the Perkins Brailler, in class. >>>I have readers read my tests to me. >>>Blessings, Joshua >>> >>>On 12/8/11, Carly wrote: >>> > >>> > A thing is to record instructions of an assignment, meant to be done >>> > in class then, go home and do it on the desktop. Then, you can either >>> > print it, or send it. >>> > for today, >>> > Car At 09:35 AM 12/8/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> >>I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. >>> >>I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. >>> >>Blessings, Joshua >>> >> >>> >>On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>> >> > Hello, >>> >> > >>> >> > Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school >>> >> work done? Or >>> >> > how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't >>> >> have a note >>> >> > taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore as >>> >> > it >>> >> > was >>> >> > the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me via >>> >> > outside >>> >> > sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, >>> >> though I wish I >>> >> > had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a >>> >> > laptop. >>> >> > For >>> >> > example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the >>> >> public transit >>> >> > bus reading the material or studying as well. >>> >> > >>> >> > -----Original Message----- >>> >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>> >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>> >> > Of Joshua Lester >>> >> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM >>> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>> >> > >>> >> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> >> > Well, one more test, and my semester is over! >>> >> > I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the >>> >> > Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. >>> >> > Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, >>> >> (something I >>> >> > had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't >>> >> help me with >>> >> > the Pac Mate, but I digress. >>> >> > I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two >>> >> > endependent >>> >> > studies, for both of my Science classes. >>> >> > I also have endependent study for College Algebra. >>> >> > I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and >>> >> > Safety." >>> >> > I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. >>> >> > I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! >>> >> > Blessings, Joshua >>> >> > >>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>> >> > nabs-l mailing list >>> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >> > for >>> >> > nabs-l: >>> >> > >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g >>> >> > mail.com >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>> >> > nabs-l mailing list >>> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> >> > for >>> >> > nabs-l: >>> >> > >>> >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>> >>nabs-l mailing list >>> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> >> nabs-l: >>> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ear >>> thlink.net >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> > nabs-l: >>> > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> > >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Dec 9 05:31:50 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 23:31:50 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: References: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA> <7.0.1.0.2.20111208133153.01d145e8@earthlink.net> <000f01ccb602$31616cc0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> <7.0.1.0.2.20111208205220.01cda608@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Awesome! Problem: I graduate college in May. I plan to go to Walmart, to get a Netbook, but I'll get the display, at convention. I'll start ministry training, online, in the Fall. I won't need a note taker, for my next semester, because the classes are all endependent study, and one class is just bookwork. I'll have a Braille book, and I can do my assignments at home, via E-mail. Blessings, Joshua On 12/8/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Joshua, > I'll respond on-list since others may be interested. I bought a > RefreshaBraille 18 from American Printing House for the Blind for > $1800. It's expensive, but cheap by Braille display standards. It has > 18 cells. To be honest, I haven't used it as much as I expected, > mostly because I've just gotten used to using the speech. But it is > very small and portable, about the size of a deck of cards, and so > could be very helpful. Using the one earbud works well too. > Best, > Arielle > > On 12/8/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I'm not good with the Slate and Stylus. >> I had all kinds of trouble learning it, in Elementary school. >> As for the Netbook, if you used a Braille display, you wouldn't need >> the speech, as you're typing. >> This would work for me. >> I could turn it on, and the Braille display would have all of the >> stuff, popping up in Braille. >> I might check into getting the Netbook. >> How many cells does your display have? >> How much did it cost? >> Please E-mail me offlist. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 12/8/11, Carly wrote: >>> >>> JHi, I used a 28-line lonf slate from Germany to scribe notes in high >>> school. If you can get ahold of one of those, your experience with >>> the slate can feel much more productive. You can try GOOGL-ing >>> something like German slates or production of braille in Germany. >>> for today, >>> Car >>> >>> >>> Peter Donahue wrote: >>>>Hello Josh and everyone, >>>> >>>> I'd think that the Perkins Brailler in a classroom setting would be >>>> very >>>>distracting to other students. This situation is easily fixed by learning >>>> to >>>>use the slate and stylus. >>>>Peter Donahue >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Joshua Lester" >>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:31 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>>> >>>> >>>>I don't take the lap top to classes, to take notes, because I have to >>>>have headphones, so that the fellow students wouldn't hear the Jaws >>>>talking to me. >>>>I can't hear my instructor, and Jaws both. >>>>I use the Perkins Brailler, in class. >>>>I have readers read my tests to me. >>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>>On 12/8/11, Carly wrote: >>>> > >>>> > A thing is to record instructions of an assignment, meant to be done >>>> > in class then, go home and do it on the desktop. Then, you can either >>>> > print it, or send it. >>>> > for today, >>>> > Car At 09:35 AM 12/8/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> >>I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. >>>> >>I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. >>>> >>Blessings, Joshua >>>> >> >>>> >>On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>> >> > Hello, >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school >>>> >> work done? Or >>>> >> > how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't >>>> >> have a note >>>> >> > taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore as >>>> >> > it >>>> >> > was >>>> >> > the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me via >>>> >> > outside >>>> >> > sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, >>>> >> though I wish I >>>> >> > had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a >>>> >> > laptop. >>>> >> > For >>>> >> > example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the >>>> >> public transit >>>> >> > bus reading the material or studying as well. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > -----Original Message----- >>>> >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>> >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>>> >> > Of Joshua Lester >>>> >> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM >>>> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >> > Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>>> >> > >>>> >> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> >> > Well, one more test, and my semester is over! >>>> >> > I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the >>>> >> > Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. >>>> >> > Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, >>>> >> (something I >>>> >> > had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't >>>> >> help me with >>>> >> > the Pac Mate, but I digress. >>>> >> > I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two >>>> >> > endependent >>>> >> > studies, for both of my Science classes. >>>> >> > I also have endependent study for College Algebra. >>>> >> > I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and >>>> >> > Safety." >>>> >> > I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. >>>> >> > I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! >>>> >> > Blessings, Joshua >>>> >> > >>>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>>> >> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> >> > for >>>> >> > nabs-l: >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g >>>> >> > mail.com >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>>> >> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> >> > for >>>> >> > nabs-l: >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >>_______________________________________________ >>>> >>nabs-l mailing list >>>> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> >> nabs-l: >>>> >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ear >>>> thlink.net >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> > >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dandrews at visi.com Fri Dec 9 06:00:23 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 00:00:23 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: <09F95B5BE2D3491F91CEC2D03D9C3A77@OwnerPC> References: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA> <09F95B5BE2D3491F91CEC2D03D9C3A77@OwnerPC> Message-ID: You kids (smile) It's called a slate and stylus -- the original note taker -- went all the way through grad school with it. Dave At 02:55 PM 12/8/2011, you wrote: >Joshua, >I wonder how you get along without a notetaker. Mine is >indispensable for taking notes in school; if I didn't have a >notetaker, I'd bring a laptop to class even though its big. > >-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester >Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 12:35 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling > >I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. >I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. >Blessings, Joshua > >On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>Hello, >> >>Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school work done? Or >>how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't have a note >>taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore as it was >>the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me via outside >>sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, though I wish I >>had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a laptop. For >>example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the public transit >>bus reading the material or studying as well. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >>Of Joshua Lester >>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >> >>Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>Well, one more test, and my semester is over! >>I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the >>Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. >>Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, (something I >>had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't help me with >>the Pac Mate, but I digress. >>I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two endependent >>studies, for both of my Science classes. >>I also have endependent study for College Algebra. >>I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and Safety." >>I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. >>I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! >>Blessings, Joshua From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 16:27:14 2011 From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (jonathan franks) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 10:27:14 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Ipod tuch and voiceover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can either go to an apple store and they can turn it on for you, or you can look at this article in this link. http://support.apple.com/kb/ht3577 From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 18:15:46 2011 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 13:15:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 Message-ID: Hi all, I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows 7, and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! Katie From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Dec 9 18:33:49 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 13:33:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16FDE1C4C1E24ED4A78F7E032E30AEFF@OwnerPC> I had the same issue; I loved outlook express. it was simple but powerful. I use windows live mail, but its not as accessible. I'd recommend just using outlook or using thunderbird which I heard has lovely menus. you might be able to purchase an email client with menus too; try not to get the ribbons; maybe eudora or something like that. -----Original Message----- From: Katie Wang Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 1:15 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 Hi all, I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows 7, and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! Katie _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From carlymih at earthlink.net Sat Dec 10 00:46:01 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 16:46:01 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209164447.01d4eec0@earthlink.net> Without having experienced any other email clients, I hear Eudora is buy far, the simplest. Not exactly fancy or particularly modern, it cannot be beat in simplisity. At 10:15 AM 12/9/2011, Katie Wang wrote: >Hi all, >I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used >Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple >interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows 7, >and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. >I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is >definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more >complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process >of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over >time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? >For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office >Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! >Katie > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 01:49:39 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 20:49:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: References: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA> <09F95B5BE2D3491F91CEC2D03D9C3A77@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I have a full page slate that I think came from the braille super store. I will have to make sure of that . and I got a braille display from another person for $200 I think. That is what they were selling it for and my friend got it for me for Christmas. I was going to get it myself I think if she did not have. It has been a couple of years so the details are sketchy. It is a braille display that you use with a pacmate. So I am able to hook it up with my pacmate. You can get on some websites that blind people sell there things on, don't remember the name, blind barggens? or another one that I see people doing this is on here, and i have heard of people doing it on another webite called the zone. Try to shop around, if your lucky,you can buy a slightly used one for a much cheeper price. On 12/9/11, David Andrews wrote: > You kids (smile) It's called a slate and stylus -- the original note > taker -- went all the way through grad school with it. > > Dave > > At 02:55 PM 12/8/2011, you wrote: >>Joshua, >>I wonder how you get along without a notetaker. Mine is >>indispensable for taking notes in school; if I didn't have a >>notetaker, I'd bring a laptop to class even though its big. >> >>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester >>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 12:35 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >> >>I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. >>I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. >>Blessings, Joshua >> >>On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>Hello, >>> >>>Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school work done? >>> Or >>>how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't have a >>> note >>>taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore as it was >>>the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me via >>> outside >>>sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, though I wish >>> I >>>had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a laptop. >>> For >>>example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the public >>> transit >>>bus reading the material or studying as well. >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>>Of Joshua Lester >>>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>> >>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>Well, one more test, and my semester is over! >>>I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the >>>Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. >>>Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, (something >>> I >>>had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't help me >>> with >>>the Pac Mate, but I digress. >>>I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two endependent >>>studies, for both of my Science classes. >>>I also have endependent study for College Algebra. >>>I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and Safety." >>>I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. >>>I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! >>>Blessings, Joshua > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 Twitter http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Dec 10 02:07:51 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 21:07:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209164447.01d4eec0@earthlink.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209164447.01d4eec0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <53DC63D388D0428981F7EECD48BF47B5@OwnerPC> Carley, I've thought about getting that. Can you explain? Is eudora for purchase? Can you still sort email into folders? Does it have a menu system? -----Original Message----- From: Carly Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 7:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 Without having experienced any other email clients, I hear Eudora is buy far, the simplest. Not exactly fancy or particularly modern, it cannot be beat in simplisity. At 10:15 AM 12/9/2011, Katie Wang wrote: >Hi all, >I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used >Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple >interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows 7, >and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. >I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is >definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more >complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process >of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over >time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? >For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office >Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! >Katie > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Dec 10 02:09:04 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 21:09:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: References: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA><09F95B5BE2D3491F91CEC2D03D9C3A77@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <62AD670C5DC449C4AD0AA720041C46A2@OwnerPC> I do not like moving the slate down. so I'm interested in where you got the full page slate. Do you take notes in school with the slate? -----Original Message----- From: Lea williams Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 8:49 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling I have a full page slate that I think came from the braille super store. I will have to make sure of that . and I got a braille display from another person for $200 I think. That is what they were selling it for and my friend got it for me for Christmas. I was going to get it myself I think if she did not have. It has been a couple of years so the details are sketchy. It is a braille display that you use with a pacmate. So I am able to hook it up with my pacmate. You can get on some websites that blind people sell there things on, don't remember the name, blind barggens? or another one that I see people doing this is on here, and i have heard of people doing it on another webite called the zone. Try to shop around, if your lucky,you can buy a slightly used one for a much cheeper price. On 12/9/11, David Andrews wrote: > You kids (smile) It's called a slate and stylus -- the original note > taker -- went all the way through grad school with it. > > Dave > > At 02:55 PM 12/8/2011, you wrote: >>Joshua, >>I wonder how you get along without a notetaker. Mine is >>indispensable for taking notes in school; if I didn't have a >>notetaker, I'd bring a laptop to class even though its big. >> >>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester >>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 12:35 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >> >>I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. >>I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. >>Blessings, Joshua >> >>On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>Hello, >>> >>>Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school work done? >>> Or >>>how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't have a >>> note >>>taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore as it >>>was >>>the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me via >>> outside >>>sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, though I >>>wish >>> I >>>had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a laptop. >>> For >>>example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the public >>> transit >>>bus reading the material or studying as well. >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>>Of Joshua Lester >>>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>> >>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>Well, one more test, and my semester is over! >>>I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the >>>Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. >>>Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, >>>(something >>> I >>>had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't help me >>> with >>>the Pac Mate, but I digress. >>>I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two endependent >>>studies, for both of my Science classes. >>>I also have endependent study for College Algebra. >>>I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and Safety." >>>I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. >>>I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! >>>Blessings, Joshua > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 Twitter http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Dec 10 05:09:07 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 23:09:07 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: <62AD670C5DC449C4AD0AA720041C46A2@OwnerPC> References: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA> <09F95B5BE2D3491F91CEC2D03D9C3A77@OwnerPC> <62AD670C5DC449C4AD0AA720041C46A2@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I was taught how to use the slate and stylus, in elementary school. I just can't go fast enough on it, to take notes. The Netbook is a better idea for me. Blessings, Joshua On 12/9/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > I do not like moving the slate down. so I'm interested in where you got the > full page slate. > Do you take notes in school with the slate? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lea williams > Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 8:49 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling > > I have a full page slate that I think came from the braille super > store. I will have to make sure of that > . and I got a braille display from another person for $200 I think. > That is what they were selling it for and my friend got it for me for > Christmas. I was going to get it myself I think if she did not have. > It has been a couple of years so the details are sketchy. > It is a braille display that you use with a pacmate. So I am able to > hook it up with my pacmate. > You can get on some websites that blind people sell there things on, > don't remember the name, > blind barggens? > or another one that I see people doing this is on here, and i have > heard of people doing it on another webite called the zone. Try to > shop around, if your lucky,you can buy a slightly used one for a much > cheeper price. > > On 12/9/11, David Andrews wrote: >> You kids (smile) It's called a slate and stylus -- the original note >> taker -- went all the way through grad school with it. >> >> Dave >> >> At 02:55 PM 12/8/2011, you wrote: >>>Joshua, >>>I wonder how you get along without a notetaker. Mine is >>>indispensable for taking notes in school; if I didn't have a >>>notetaker, I'd bring a laptop to class even though its big. >>> >>>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester >>>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 12:35 PM >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>> >>>I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. >>>I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. >>>Blessings, Joshua >>> >>>On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>>Hello, >>>> >>>>Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school work done? >>>> Or >>>>how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't have a >>>> note >>>>taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore as it >>>>was >>>>the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me via >>>> outside >>>>sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, though I >>>>wish >>>> I >>>>had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a laptop. >>>> For >>>>example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the public >>>> transit >>>>bus reading the material or studying as well. >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>> Behalf >>>>Of Joshua Lester >>>>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM >>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>>> >>>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>Well, one more test, and my semester is over! >>>>I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the >>>>Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. >>>>Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, >>>>(something >>>> I >>>>had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't help me >>>> with >>>>the Pac Mate, but I digress. >>>>I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two endependent >>>>studies, for both of my Science classes. >>>>I also have endependent study for College Algebra. >>>>I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and Safety." >>>>I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. >>>>I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! >>>>Blessings, Joshua >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > Twitter > http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From carlymih at earthlink.net Sat Dec 10 05:18:14 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 21:18:14 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <53DC63D388D0428981F7EECD48BF47B5@OwnerPC> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209164447.01d4eec0@earthlink.net> <53DC63D388D0428981F7EECD48BF47B5@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209211614.01d41920@earthlink.net> Hi, list, I didn't realize the subject of Windows7 was being discussed. I myself have yet to venture into such territories. Ever the ignoramus, CarA 9/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Carley, >I've thought about getting that. Can you explain? Is eudora for >purchase? Can you still sort email into folders? Does it have a menu system? > >-----Original Message----- From: Carly >Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 7:46 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; nabs-l at nfbnet.org >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 > > >Without having experienced any other email clients, I hear Eudora is >buy far, the simplest. Not exactly fancy or particularly modern, it >cannot be beat in simplisity. At 10:15 AM 12/9/2011, Katie Wang wrote: >>Hi all, >>I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used >>Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple >>interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows 7, >>and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. >>I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is >>definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more >>complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process >>of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over >>time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? >>For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office >>Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! >>Katie >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 06:04:07 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 01:04:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: References: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA> <09F95B5BE2D3491F91CEC2D03D9C3A77@OwnerPC> <62AD670C5DC449C4AD0AA720041C46A2@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I found these Future Aids - The Braille Superstore http://www.braillebookstore.com/view.php?C=Writing+Braille Full-Page Slate, Letter-Size 25 Lines, 28 Cells--Braille a Whole Page in One Go Item Number: 2468 $19.95 Independence Living Aids http://www.independentliving.com/products.asp?dept=137&deptname=Braille%20Slates Full Page Plastic Braille Slate & Stylus Item #: 126584N A durable, full page plastic slate for Brailling entire pages, small sheets or tape. Product Description: This is a very large, page sized, heavy-duty plastic Braille slate with tape slots. The even numbered lines of the slate are labeled in Braille for your benefit. Accommodates full pages, smaller sheets or tape. It has 30 cells and 27 lines. Holes are spaced along the side, where it is hinged, for inserting the slate into a binder. Pins on top. A matching, equally durable knob mushroom stylus is included. This one is off of the NFB store. http://secure.nfb.org/ecommerce/asp/product.asp?product=781&cat=24&ph=&keywords=&recor=&SearchFor=&PT_ID= 25 line, 28 cell full-page plastic slate, with pins on bottom. Even numbered lines are labeled in Braille along the right margin. Includes slots for 1/2-inch and 3/8-inch labeling tape. code no. price ($) 25-LINE, 28-CELL, FULL-PAGE PLASTIC AIS30S $20.00 Mine is like this last one, I accually did not know what these slots were for till now. I have been taping my labling tape to my four lined aluminum slate so it didn't slide and brailling on it. I like this much better. HTH On 12/10/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > I was taught how to use the slate and stylus, in elementary school. > I just can't go fast enough on it, to take notes. > The Netbook is a better idea for me. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/9/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> I do not like moving the slate down. so I'm interested in where you got >> the >> full page slate. >> Do you take notes in school with the slate? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lea williams >> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 8:49 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >> >> I have a full page slate that I think came from the braille super >> store. I will have to make sure of that >> . and I got a braille display from another person for $200 I think. >> That is what they were selling it for and my friend got it for me for >> Christmas. I was going to get it myself I think if she did not have. >> It has been a couple of years so the details are sketchy. >> It is a braille display that you use with a pacmate. So I am able to >> hook it up with my pacmate. >> You can get on some websites that blind people sell there things on, >> don't remember the name, >> blind barggens? >> or another one that I see people doing this is on here, and i have >> heard of people doing it on another webite called the zone. Try to >> shop around, if your lucky,you can buy a slightly used one for a much >> cheeper price. >> >> On 12/9/11, David Andrews wrote: >>> You kids (smile) It's called a slate and stylus -- the original note >>> taker -- went all the way through grad school with it. >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> At 02:55 PM 12/8/2011, you wrote: >>>>Joshua, >>>>I wonder how you get along without a notetaker. Mine is >>>>indispensable for taking notes in school; if I didn't have a >>>>notetaker, I'd bring a laptop to class even though its big. >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester >>>>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 12:35 PM >>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>>> >>>>I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. >>>>I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. >>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>>On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>>>Hello, >>>>> >>>>>Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school work >>>>> done? >>>>> Or >>>>>how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't have a >>>>> note >>>>>taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore as it >>>>>was >>>>>the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me via >>>>> outside >>>>>sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, though I >>>>>wish >>>>> I >>>>>had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a laptop. >>>>> For >>>>>example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the public >>>>> transit >>>>>bus reading the material or studying as well. >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>>Of Joshua Lester >>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM >>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>>>> >>>>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>Well, one more test, and my semester is over! >>>>>I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the >>>>>Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. >>>>>Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, >>>>>(something >>>>> I >>>>>had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't help me >>>>> with >>>>>the Pac Mate, but I digress. >>>>>I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two endependent >>>>>studies, for both of my Science classes. >>>>>I also have endependent study for College Algebra. >>>>>I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and >>>>> Safety." >>>>>I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. >>>>>I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! >>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Lea Williams >> >> Phone; >> 704-732-4470 >> Skipe; >> Lea.williams738 >> Facebook >> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >> Twitter >> http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 Twitter http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 From carlymih at earthlink.net Sat Dec 10 06:17:06 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 22:17:06 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <53DC63D388D0428981F7EECD48BF47B5@OwnerPC> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209164447.01d4eec0@earthlink.net> <53DC63D388D0428981F7EECD48BF47B5@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209221541.01d9baa8@earthlink.net> Hi, I use an ancient, version of both the OS and Eudora. As ai said, I didn't realize you'all were talking about using Eudora, with W7. Sorry for the confusion! C. At 06:07 PM 12/9/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Carley, >I've thought about getting that. Can you explain? Is eudora for >purchase? Can you still sort email into folders? Does it have a menu system? > >-----Original Message----- From: Carly >Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 7:46 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; nabs-l at nfbnet.org >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 > > >Without having experienced any other email clients, I hear Eudora is >buy far, the simplest. Not exactly fancy or particularly modern, it >cannot be beat in simplisity. At 10:15 AM 12/9/2011, Katie Wang wrote: >>Hi all, >>I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used >>Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple >>interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows 7, >>and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. >>I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is >>definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more >>complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process >>of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over >>time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? >>For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office >>Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! >>Katie >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Dec 10 06:18:35 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:18:35 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: References: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA> <09F95B5BE2D3491F91CEC2D03D9C3A77@OwnerPC> <62AD670C5DC449C4AD0AA720041C46A2@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Interesting stuff! I had never heard of the full page slate. Blessings, Joshua On 12/10/11, Lea williams wrote: > I found these > > Future Aids - The Braille Superstore > http://www.braillebookstore.com/view.php?C=Writing+Braille > > Full-Page Slate, Letter-Size > 25 Lines, 28 Cells--Braille a Whole Page in One Go > Item Number: 2468 > $19.95 > > Independence Living Aids > http://www.independentliving.com/products.asp?dept=137&deptname=Braille%20Slates > > Full Page Plastic Braille Slate & Stylus > Item #: 126584N > A durable, full page plastic slate for Brailling entire pages, small > sheets or tape. > Product Description: > This is a very large, page sized, heavy-duty plastic Braille slate > with tape slots. The even numbered lines of the slate are labeled in > Braille for your benefit. Accommodates full pages, smaller sheets or > tape. It has 30 cells and 27 lines. Holes are spaced along the side, > where it is hinged, for inserting the slate into a binder. Pins on > top. A matching, equally durable knob mushroom stylus is included. > > This one is off of the NFB store. > http://secure.nfb.org/ecommerce/asp/product.asp?product=781&cat=24&ph=&keywords=&recor=&SearchFor=&PT_ID= > > 25 line, 28 cell full-page plastic slate, with pins on bottom. Even > numbered lines are labeled in Braille along the right margin. Includes > slots for 1/2-inch and 3/8-inch labeling tape. > > code no. price ($) > 25-LINE, 28-CELL, FULL-PAGE PLASTIC AIS30S > $20.00 > > Mine is like this last one, I accually did not know what these slots > were for till now. I have been taping my labling tape to my four lined > aluminum slate so it didn't slide and brailling on it. I like this > much better. > > HTH > > On 12/10/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> I was taught how to use the slate and stylus, in elementary school. >> I just can't go fast enough on it, to take notes. >> The Netbook is a better idea for me. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/9/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> I do not like moving the slate down. so I'm interested in where you got >>> the >>> full page slate. >>> Do you take notes in school with the slate? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Lea williams >>> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 8:49 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>> >>> I have a full page slate that I think came from the braille super >>> store. I will have to make sure of that >>> . and I got a braille display from another person for $200 I think. >>> That is what they were selling it for and my friend got it for me for >>> Christmas. I was going to get it myself I think if she did not have. >>> It has been a couple of years so the details are sketchy. >>> It is a braille display that you use with a pacmate. So I am able to >>> hook it up with my pacmate. >>> You can get on some websites that blind people sell there things on, >>> don't remember the name, >>> blind barggens? >>> or another one that I see people doing this is on here, and i have >>> heard of people doing it on another webite called the zone. Try to >>> shop around, if your lucky,you can buy a slightly used one for a much >>> cheeper price. >>> >>> On 12/9/11, David Andrews wrote: >>>> You kids (smile) It's called a slate and stylus -- the original note >>>> taker -- went all the way through grad school with it. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> At 02:55 PM 12/8/2011, you wrote: >>>>>Joshua, >>>>>I wonder how you get along without a notetaker. Mine is >>>>>indispensable for taking notes in school; if I didn't have a >>>>>notetaker, I'd bring a laptop to class even though its big. >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester >>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 12:35 PM >>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>>>> >>>>>I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. >>>>>I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. >>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>>On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>>>>Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>>Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school work >>>>>> done? >>>>>> Or >>>>>>how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't have a >>>>>> note >>>>>>taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore as it >>>>>>was >>>>>>the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me via >>>>>> outside >>>>>>sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, though I >>>>>>wish >>>>>> I >>>>>>had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a laptop. >>>>>> For >>>>>>example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the public >>>>>> transit >>>>>>bus reading the material or studying as well. >>>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>Of Joshua Lester >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM >>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>>>>> >>>>>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>Well, one more test, and my semester is over! >>>>>>I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the >>>>>>Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. >>>>>>Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, >>>>>>(something >>>>>> I >>>>>>had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't help me >>>>>> with >>>>>>the Pac Mate, but I digress. >>>>>>I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two endependent >>>>>>studies, for both of my Science classes. >>>>>>I also have endependent study for College Algebra. >>>>>>I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and >>>>>> Safety." >>>>>>I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. >>>>>>I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! >>>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Lea Williams >>> >>> Phone; >>> 704-732-4470 >>> Skipe; >>> Lea.williams738 >>> Facebook >>> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >>> Twitter >>> http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > Twitter > http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 08:07:16 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 03:07:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: References: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA> <09F95B5BE2D3491F91CEC2D03D9C3A77@OwnerPC> <62AD670C5DC449C4AD0AA720041C46A2@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I used it for math and that was all. it was to loud unless I put my binder beneath it. On 12/10/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Interesting stuff! > I had never heard of the full page slate. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/10/11, Lea williams wrote: >> I found these >> >> Future Aids - The Braille Superstore >> http://www.braillebookstore.com/view.php?C=Writing+Braille >> >> Full-Page Slate, Letter-Size >> 25 Lines, 28 Cells--Braille a Whole Page in One Go >> Item Number: 2468 >> $19.95 >> >> Independence Living Aids >> http://www.independentliving.com/products.asp?dept=137&deptname=Braille%20Slates >> >> Full Page Plastic Braille Slate & Stylus >> Item #: 126584N >> A durable, full page plastic slate for Brailling entire pages, small >> sheets or tape. >> Product Description: >> This is a very large, page sized, heavy-duty plastic Braille slate >> with tape slots. The even numbered lines of the slate are labeled in >> Braille for your benefit. Accommodates full pages, smaller sheets or >> tape. It has 30 cells and 27 lines. Holes are spaced along the side, >> where it is hinged, for inserting the slate into a binder. Pins on >> top. A matching, equally durable knob mushroom stylus is included. >> >> This one is off of the NFB store. >> http://secure.nfb.org/ecommerce/asp/product.asp?product=781&cat=24&ph=&keywords=&recor=&SearchFor=&PT_ID= >> >> 25 line, 28 cell full-page plastic slate, with pins on bottom. Even >> numbered lines are labeled in Braille along the right margin. Includes >> slots for 1/2-inch and 3/8-inch labeling tape. >> >> code no. price ($) >> 25-LINE, 28-CELL, FULL-PAGE PLASTIC AIS30S >> $20.00 >> >> Mine is like this last one, I accually did not know what these slots >> were for till now. I have been taping my labling tape to my four lined >> aluminum slate so it didn't slide and brailling on it. I like this >> much better. >> >> HTH >> >> On 12/10/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> I was taught how to use the slate and stylus, in elementary school. >>> I just can't go fast enough on it, to take notes. >>> The Netbook is a better idea for me. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 12/9/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> I do not like moving the slate down. so I'm interested in where you got >>>> the >>>> full page slate. >>>> Do you take notes in school with the slate? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Lea williams >>>> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 8:49 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>>> >>>> I have a full page slate that I think came from the braille super >>>> store. I will have to make sure of that >>>> . and I got a braille display from another person for $200 I think. >>>> That is what they were selling it for and my friend got it for me for >>>> Christmas. I was going to get it myself I think if she did not have. >>>> It has been a couple of years so the details are sketchy. >>>> It is a braille display that you use with a pacmate. So I am able to >>>> hook it up with my pacmate. >>>> You can get on some websites that blind people sell there things on, >>>> don't remember the name, >>>> blind barggens? >>>> or another one that I see people doing this is on here, and i have >>>> heard of people doing it on another webite called the zone. Try to >>>> shop around, if your lucky,you can buy a slightly used one for a much >>>> cheeper price. >>>> >>>> On 12/9/11, David Andrews wrote: >>>>> You kids (smile) It's called a slate and stylus -- the original note >>>>> taker -- went all the way through grad school with it. >>>>> >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> At 02:55 PM 12/8/2011, you wrote: >>>>>>Joshua, >>>>>>I wonder how you get along without a notetaker. Mine is >>>>>>indispensable for taking notes in school; if I didn't have a >>>>>>notetaker, I'd bring a laptop to class even though its big. >>>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 12:35 PM >>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>>>>> >>>>>>I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. >>>>>>I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. >>>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>>On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>>>>>Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school work >>>>>>> done? >>>>>>> Or >>>>>>>how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't have >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> note >>>>>>>taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore as it >>>>>>>was >>>>>>>the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me via >>>>>>> outside >>>>>>>sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, though I >>>>>>>wish >>>>>>> I >>>>>>>had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a >>>>>>> laptop. >>>>>>> For >>>>>>>example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the public >>>>>>> transit >>>>>>>bus reading the material or studying as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>Of Joshua Lester >>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM >>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>Well, one more test, and my semester is over! >>>>>>>I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the >>>>>>>Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. >>>>>>>Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, >>>>>>>(something >>>>>>> I >>>>>>>had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't help >>>>>>> me >>>>>>> with >>>>>>>the Pac Mate, but I digress. >>>>>>>I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two endependent >>>>>>>studies, for both of my Science classes. >>>>>>>I also have endependent study for College Algebra. >>>>>>>I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and >>>>>>> Safety." >>>>>>>I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. >>>>>>>I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! >>>>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Lea Williams >>>> >>>> Phone; >>>> 704-732-4470 >>>> Skipe; >>>> Lea.williams738 >>>> Facebook >>>> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >>>> Twitter >>>> http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Lea Williams >> >> Phone; >> 704-732-4470 >> Skipe; >> Lea.williams738 >> Facebook >> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >> Twitter >> http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 Twitter http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 From maryesanchez at grandecom.net Sat Dec 10 11:35:07 2011 From: maryesanchez at grandecom.net (Mary Ellen Sanchez) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 05:35:07 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209221541.01d9baa8@earthlink.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209164447.01d4eec0@earthlink.net> <53DC63D388D0428981F7EECD48BF47B5@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20111209221541.01d9baa8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <009f01ccb72f$c7667bb0$56337310$@net> Hello yes I would like to ask does anyone know of something like outlook express as I use windows 7 and liked outlook express because it automatically added the email addresses when I replied to the messages. Is there a way to do that with Microsoft outlook? I also wondered are there any other email client programs that have a simple interface that I could use with windows 7? I thank you very much for your time and look forward to hearing from you soon. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 12:17 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 Hi, I use an ancient, version of both the OS and Eudora. As ai said, I didn't realize you'all were talking about using Eudora, with W7. Sorry for the confusion! C. At 06:07 PM 12/9/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Carley, >I've thought about getting that. Can you explain? Is eudora for >purchase? Can you still sort email into folders? Does it have a menu system? > >-----Original Message----- From: Carly >Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 7:46 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 > > >Without having experienced any other email clients, I hear Eudora is >buy far, the simplest. Not exactly fancy or particularly modern, it >cannot be beat in simplisity. At 10:15 AM 12/9/2011, Katie Wang wrote: >>Hi all, >>I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used >>Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple >>interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows 7, >>and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. >>I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is >>definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more >>complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process >>of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over >>time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? >>For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office >>Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! >>Katie >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthli >>nk.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earth >link.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlin >k.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/maryesanchez%40grandecom .net From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 13:44:17 2011 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 08:44:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling In-Reply-To: References: <9DD422DFAA0F4E7CA1E567F36FB81098@HUMBERTOAVILA> <09F95B5BE2D3491F91CEC2D03D9C3A77@OwnerPC> <62AD670C5DC449C4AD0AA720041C46A2@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I also have a full-page slate, purchased from the NFB Independence Market. I love it because I have trouble lining up the slate with the page after the first time. I am using it to study the Nemeth code to be prepared for algebra class in the spring. I plan on using it for my algebra course. In most classses, if I need to do an in-class assignment, I take out my netbook, since I type super fast and don't do so fast on the slate. My two cents, Jewel On 12/10/11, Lea williams wrote: > I used it for math and that was all. it was to loud unless I put my > binder beneath it. > > On 12/10/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Interesting stuff! >> I had never heard of the full page slate. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/10/11, Lea williams wrote: >>> I found these >>> >>> Future Aids - The Braille Superstore >>> http://www.braillebookstore.com/view.php?C=Writing+Braille >>> >>> Full-Page Slate, Letter-Size >>> 25 Lines, 28 Cells--Braille a Whole Page in One Go >>> Item Number: 2468 >>> $19.95 >>> >>> Independence Living Aids >>> http://www.independentliving.com/products.asp?dept=137&deptname=Braille%20Slates >>> >>> Full Page Plastic Braille Slate & Stylus >>> Item #: 126584N >>> A durable, full page plastic slate for Brailling entire pages, small >>> sheets or tape. >>> Product Description: >>> This is a very large, page sized, heavy-duty plastic Braille slate >>> with tape slots. The even numbered lines of the slate are labeled in >>> Braille for your benefit. Accommodates full pages, smaller sheets or >>> tape. It has 30 cells and 27 lines. Holes are spaced along the side, >>> where it is hinged, for inserting the slate into a binder. Pins on >>> top. A matching, equally durable knob mushroom stylus is included. >>> >>> This one is off of the NFB store. >>> http://secure.nfb.org/ecommerce/asp/product.asp?product=781&cat=24&ph=&keywords=&recor=&SearchFor=&PT_ID= >>> >>> 25 line, 28 cell full-page plastic slate, with pins on bottom. Even >>> numbered lines are labeled in Braille along the right margin. Includes >>> slots for 1/2-inch and 3/8-inch labeling tape. >>> >>> code no. price ($) >>> 25-LINE, 28-CELL, FULL-PAGE PLASTIC AIS30S >>> $20.00 >>> >>> Mine is like this last one, I accually did not know what these slots >>> were for till now. I have been taping my labling tape to my four lined >>> aluminum slate so it didn't slide and brailling on it. I like this >>> much better. >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> On 12/10/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> I was taught how to use the slate and stylus, in elementary school. >>>> I just can't go fast enough on it, to take notes. >>>> The Netbook is a better idea for me. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 12/9/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>> I do not like moving the slate down. so I'm interested in where you got >>>>> the >>>>> full page slate. >>>>> Do you take notes in school with the slate? >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Lea williams >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 8:49 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>>>> >>>>> I have a full page slate that I think came from the braille super >>>>> store. I will have to make sure of that >>>>> . and I got a braille display from another person for $200 I think. >>>>> That is what they were selling it for and my friend got it for me for >>>>> Christmas. I was going to get it myself I think if she did not have. >>>>> It has been a couple of years so the details are sketchy. >>>>> It is a braille display that you use with a pacmate. So I am able to >>>>> hook it up with my pacmate. >>>>> You can get on some websites that blind people sell there things on, >>>>> don't remember the name, >>>>> blind barggens? >>>>> or another one that I see people doing this is on here, and i have >>>>> heard of people doing it on another webite called the zone. Try to >>>>> shop around, if your lucky,you can buy a slightly used one for a much >>>>> cheeper price. >>>>> >>>>> On 12/9/11, David Andrews wrote: >>>>>> You kids (smile) It's called a slate and stylus -- the original note >>>>>> taker -- went all the way through grad school with it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> At 02:55 PM 12/8/2011, you wrote: >>>>>>>Joshua, >>>>>>>I wonder how you get along without a notetaker. Mine is >>>>>>>indispensable for taking notes in school; if I didn't have a >>>>>>>notetaker, I'd bring a laptop to class even though its big. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester >>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 12:35 PM >>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I have a lousy Acer Lap Top. >>>>>>>I don't take it to school, because it's too much to carry around. >>>>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On 12/8/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>>>>>>Hello, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Do you have at least a laptop or a computer to get your school work >>>>>>>> done? >>>>>>>> Or >>>>>>>>how are you handling your studies without a note taker? I don't have >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> note >>>>>>>>taker either; I used to have one in high school, but not anymore as >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>was >>>>>>>>the district's. now I just have a laptop that was donated to me via >>>>>>>> outside >>>>>>>>sources. I can use it at school and at home with no problem, though I >>>>>>>>wish >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>had a note taker. Its portability is never ever compared with a >>>>>>>> laptop. >>>>>>>> For >>>>>>>>example I can use the Braille note / pacmate while riding the public >>>>>>>> transit >>>>>>>>bus reading the material or studying as well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>>>Of Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:55 AM >>>>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Update on my schooling >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>>Well, one more test, and my semester is over! >>>>>>>>I'm excited, because "Slowville," (Division of Services for the >>>>>>>>Blind,) is now willing to cooperate, somewhat. >>>>>>>>Next semester, they're going to try to get my books in Braille, >>>>>>>>(something >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>had problems getting them to do, in the past.) They still won't help >>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>the Pac Mate, but I digress. >>>>>>>>I don't have any compressed video classes, but i have two endependent >>>>>>>>studies, for both of my Science classes. >>>>>>>>I also have endependent study for College Algebra. >>>>>>>>I have to sit in a classroom, on Tuesday nights, for "Health and >>>>>>>> Safety." >>>>>>>>I don't want this class, but I have to have it for my PE credit. >>>>>>>>I can't wait to graduate, so I can get to my ministry training! >>>>>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Lea Williams >>>>> >>>>> Phone; >>>>> 704-732-4470 >>>>> Skipe; >>>>> Lea.williams738 >>>>> Facebook >>>>> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >>>>> Twitter >>>>> http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Lea Williams >>> >>> Phone; >>> 704-732-4470 >>> Skipe; >>> Lea.williams738 >>> Facebook >>> http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 >>> Twitter >>> http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > Twitter > http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Sat Dec 10 14:15:57 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 08:15:57 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <53DC63D388D0428981F7EECD48BF47B5@OwnerPC> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209164447.01d4eec0@earthlink.net> <53DC63D388D0428981F7EECD48BF47B5@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Eudora is now open source. You can sort e-mail where you want. It has pretty standard alt file edit, message etc. menus. Dave At 08:07 PM 12/9/2011, you wrote: >Carley, >I've thought about getting that. Can you explain? Is eudora for >purchase? Can you still sort email into folders? Does it have a menu system? > >-----Original Message----- From: Carly >Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 7:46 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; nabs-l at nfbnet.org >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 > > >Without having experienced any other email clients, I hear Eudora is >buy far, the simplest. Not exactly fancy or particularly modern, it >cannot be beat in simplisity. At 10:15 AM 12/9/2011, Katie Wang wrote: >>Hi all, >>I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used >>Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple >>interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows 7, >>and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. >>I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is >>definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more >>complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process >>of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over >>time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? >>For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office >>Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! >>Katie From dandrews at visi.com Sat Dec 10 14:17:34 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 08:17:34 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209221541.01d9baa8@earthlink.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209164447.01d4eec0@earthlink.net> <53DC63D388D0428981F7EECD48BF47B5@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20111209221541.01d9baa8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I use Eudora with Windows 7, in fact am doing so right this minute. It works fine. Dave At 12:17 AM 12/10/2011, you wrote: >Hi, I use an ancient, version of both the OS and Eudora. As ai said, >I didn't realize you'all were talking about using Eudora, with W7. >Sorry for the confusion! >C. At 06:07 PM 12/9/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>Carley, >>I've thought about getting that. Can you explain? Is eudora for >>purchase? Can you still sort email into folders? Does it have a menu system? >> >>-----Original Message----- From: Carly >>Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 7:46 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 >> >> >>Without having experienced any other email clients, I hear Eudora is >>buy far, the simplest. Not exactly fancy or particularly modern, it >>cannot be beat in simplisity. At 10:15 AM 12/9/2011, Katie Wang wrote: >>>Hi all, >>>I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used >>>Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple >>>interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows 7, >>>and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. >>>I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is >>>definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more >>>complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process >>>of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over >>>time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? >>>For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office >>>Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! >>>Katie From dandrews at visi.com Sat Dec 10 14:14:46 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 08:14:46 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209164447.01d4eec0@earthlink.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209164447.01d4eec0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I use Eudora on a daily basis, for my large amount of e-mail associated with all nfb lists. It is simple and straight forward for the most part. It is also good because you can actually find its files, and manipulate them manually. You can edit the .ini file that controls behavior, the filters file, that filters messages etc. One reason I stick with it is that my filters file is now over 161 K in size, putting things where I need them for list administration. Dave \At 06:46 PM 12/9/2011, you wrote: >Without having experienced any other email clients, I hear Eudora is >buy far, the simplest. Not exactly fancy or particularly modern, it >cannot be beat in simplisity. At 10:15 AM 12/9/2011, Katie Wang wrote: >>Hi all, >>I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used >>Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple >>interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows 7, >>and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. >>I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is >>definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more >>complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process >>of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over >>time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? >>For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office >>Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! >>Katie From dandrews at visi.com Sat Dec 10 14:18:51 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 08:18:51 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <009f01ccb72f$c7667bb0$56337310$@net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209164447.01d4eec0@earthlink.net> <53DC63D388D0428981F7EECD48BF47B5@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20111209221541.01d9baa8@earthlink.net> <009f01ccb72f$c7667bb0$56337310$@net> Message-ID: You probably want Thunderbird. It looks and behaves a lot like Outlook Express. It is free and open source. Dave At 05:35 AM 12/10/2011, you wrote: >Hello yes I would like to ask does anyone know of something like outlook >express as I use windows 7 and liked outlook express because it >automatically added the email addresses when I replied to the messages. Is >there a way to do that with Microsoft outlook? I also wondered are there any >other email client programs that have a simple interface that I could use >with windows 7? I thank you very much for your time and look forward to >hearing from you soon. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >Of Carly >Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 12:17 AM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National >Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 > > >Hi, I use an ancient, version of both the OS and Eudora. As ai said, I >didn't realize you'all were talking about using Eudora, with W7. >Sorry for the confusion! >C. At 06:07 PM 12/9/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >Carley, > >I've thought about getting that. Can you explain? Is eudora for > >purchase? Can you still sort email into folders? Does it have a menu >system? > > > >-----Original Message----- From: Carly > >Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 7:46 PM > >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 > > > > > >Without having experienced any other email clients, I hear Eudora is > >buy far, the simplest. Not exactly fancy or particularly modern, it > >cannot be beat in simplisity. At 10:15 AM 12/9/2011, Katie Wang wrote: > >>Hi all, > >>I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used > >>Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple > >>interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows 7, > >>and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. > >>I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is > >>definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more > >>complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process > >>of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over > >>time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? > >>For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office > >>Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! > >>Katie From maryesanchez at grandecom.net Sat Dec 10 14:31:02 2011 From: maryesanchez at grandecom.net (Mary Ellen Sanchez) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 08:31:02 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209164447.01d4eec0@earthlink.net> <53DC63D388D0428981F7EECD48BF47B5@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <015801ccb748$59f4b740$0dde25c0$@net> Oh where might one get that from?? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 8:16 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 Eudora is now open source. You can sort e-mail where you want. It has pretty standard alt file edit, message etc. menus. Dave At 08:07 PM 12/9/2011, you wrote: >Carley, >I've thought about getting that. Can you explain? Is eudora for >purchase? Can you still sort email into folders? Does it have a menu system? > >-----Original Message----- From: Carly >Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 7:46 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 > > >Without having experienced any other email clients, I hear Eudora is >buy far, the simplest. Not exactly fancy or particularly modern, it >cannot be beat in simplisity. At 10:15 AM 12/9/2011, Katie Wang wrote: >>Hi all, >>I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used >>Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple >>interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows 7, >>and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. >>I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is >>definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more >>complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process >>of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over >>time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? >>For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office >>Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! >>Katie _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/maryesanchez%40grandecom .net From dandrews at visi.com Sat Dec 10 14:42:11 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 08:42:11 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <015801ccb748$59f4b740$0dde25c0$@net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209164447.01d4eec0@earthlink.net> <53DC63D388D0428981F7EECD48BF47B5@OwnerPC> <015801ccb748$59f4b740$0dde25c0$@net> Message-ID: Just do a google search and I am sure you will find it. there is a eudora.com Dave At 08:31 AM 12/10/2011, you wrote: >Oh where might one get that from?? > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >Of David Andrews >Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 8:16 AM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 > >Eudora is now open source. You can sort e-mail where you want. It has >pretty standard alt file edit, message etc. menus. > >Dave > >At 08:07 PM 12/9/2011, you wrote: > >Carley, > >I've thought about getting that. Can you explain? Is eudora for > >purchase? Can you still sort email into folders? Does it have a menu >system? > > > >-----Original Message----- From: Carly > >Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 7:46 PM > >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 > > > > > >Without having experienced any other email clients, I hear Eudora is > >buy far, the simplest. Not exactly fancy or particularly modern, it > >cannot be beat in simplisity. At 10:15 AM 12/9/2011, Katie Wang wrote: > >>Hi all, > >>I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used > >>Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple > >>interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows 7, > >>and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. > >>I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is > >>definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more > >>complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process > >>of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over > >>time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? > >>For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office > >>Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! > >>Katie > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/maryesanchez%40grandecom >.net > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 16:26:47 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 08:26:47 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Pennies for Pages! Message-ID: The National Association of Blind Students presents: Pennies for Pages! Pennies for pages is a fundraiser where you can increase your exposure to Braille, and raise money for your Student Division or Affiliate at the same time! Want to know how? Here goes: 1. Go to www.nfb.org/bral to sign up for the Braille readers are leaders contest. 2. Sign up to participate in the Pennies for Pages fundraiser at www.nabslink.org/pennies_for_pages/pennies_form.php. 3. Ask friends, family, and teachers to sponsor you as you read from your favorite books, discover new books and raise funds that help benefit the work of your local and national student divisions. Funds will be shared equally between NABS, and your state student division or affiliate (depending on what you specify). The person who raises the most funds will be recognized by the National Association of Blind Students with an award! Questions? Contact Sean Whalen, President at: nabs.president at gmail.com We thank you for helping us to further the work of the National Association of Blind Students and the National Federation of The Blind. -- Darian Smith "To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the formula for a life well lived." - Dr. Peter Benson From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 16:28:36 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 09:28:36 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209164447.01d4eec0@earthlink.net> <53DC63D388D0428981F7EECD48BF47B5@OwnerPC> <015801ccb748$59f4b740$0dde25c0$@net> Message-ID: Do Eudora and Thunderbird work with Imap servers? I figure they should, but just want to be sure before I invest the time to get it set up with my school email account. For my Gmail account, I actually find the webmail interface (in basic HTML) even easier to use than Outlook Express, so I don't use any clients with it. However, I need to use an email client for my school email as the web interface is not very easy to use. Best, Arielle On 12/10/11, David Andrews wrote: > Just do a google search and I am sure you will find it. there is a > eudora.com > > Dave > > At 08:31 AM 12/10/2011, you wrote: >>Oh where might one get that from?? >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >>Of David Andrews >>Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 8:16 AM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 >> >>Eudora is now open source. You can sort e-mail where you want. It has >>pretty standard alt file edit, message etc. menus. >> >>Dave >> >>At 08:07 PM 12/9/2011, you wrote: >> >Carley, >> >I've thought about getting that. Can you explain? Is eudora for >> >purchase? Can you still sort email into folders? Does it have a menu >>system? >> > >> >-----Original Message----- From: Carly >> >Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 7:46 PM >> >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; >> >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 >> > >> > >> >Without having experienced any other email clients, I hear Eudora is >> >buy far, the simplest. Not exactly fancy or particularly modern, it >> >cannot be beat in simplisity. At 10:15 AM 12/9/2011, Katie Wang wrote: >> >>Hi all, >> >>I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used >> >>Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple >> >>interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows 7, >> >>and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. >> >>I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is >> >>definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more >> >>complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process >> >>of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over >> >>time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? >> >>For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office >> >>Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! >> >>Katie >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/maryesanchez%40grandecom >>.net >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Dec 10 17:20:14 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 12:20:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209164447.01d4eec0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: dave, Does eudora have a menu structure and do you buy it? -----Original Message----- From: David Andrews Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 9:14 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 I use Eudora on a daily basis, for my large amount of e-mail associated with all nfb lists. It is simple and straight forward for the most part. It is also good because you can actually find its files, and manipulate them manually. You can edit the .ini file that controls behavior, the filters file, that filters messages etc. One reason I stick with it is that my filters file is now over 161 K in size, putting things where I need them for list administration. Dave \At 06:46 PM 12/9/2011, you wrote: >Without having experienced any other email clients, I hear Eudora is buy >far, the simplest. Not exactly fancy or particularly modern, it cannot be >beat in simplisity. At 10:15 AM 12/9/2011, Katie Wang wrote: >>Hi all, >>I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used >>Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple >>interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows 7, >>and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. >>I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is >>definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more >>complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process >>of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over >>time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? >>For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office >>Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! >>Katie _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Dec 10 17:22:58 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 12:22:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209221541.01d9baa8@earthlink.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209164447.01d4eec0@earthlink.net><53DC63D388D0428981F7EECD48BF47B5@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20111209221541.01d9baa8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Carley, Eudora is eudora regardless of what operating system you have. So how do you like it? Are there keystrokes for all the clicking a mouse does. Like do you press control N for new message? -----Original Message----- From: Carly Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 1:17 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 Hi, I use an ancient, version of both the OS and Eudora. As ai said, I didn't realize you'all were talking about using Eudora, with W7. Sorry for the confusion! C. At 06:07 PM 12/9/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Carley, >I've thought about getting that. Can you explain? Is eudora for purchase? >Can you still sort email into folders? Does it have a menu system? > >-----Original Message----- From: Carly >Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 7:46 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; nabs-l at nfbnet.org >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 > > >Without having experienced any other email clients, I hear Eudora is >buy far, the simplest. Not exactly fancy or particularly modern, it >cannot be beat in simplisity. At 10:15 AM 12/9/2011, Katie Wang wrote: >>Hi all, >>I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used >>Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple >>interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows 7, >>and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. >>I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is >>definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more >>complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process >>of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over >>time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? >>For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office >>Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! >>Katie >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 18:40:49 2011 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 13:40:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209164447.01d4eec0@earthlink.net> <53DC63D388D0428981F7EECD48BF47B5@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20111209221541.01d9baa8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thanks for all the suggestions! Thunderbird sounds like a very promising solution. Does it have keyboard shortcuts for things like creating, replying to, and forwarding mail? Is the address book feature user-friendly? Like Arielle I also use the basic html web version for gmail but need an email client for my university email account. Of course, I could potentially have my university mail automatically forwarded to my gmail account, which I hear is a common practice among my fellow students. On 12/10/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Carley, > Eudora is eudora regardless of what operating system you have. So how do you > like it? Are there keystrokes for all the clicking a mouse does. > Like do you press control N for new message? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carly > Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 1:17 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National > Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 > > > Hi, I use an ancient, version of both the OS and Eudora. As ai said, > I didn't realize you'all were talking about using Eudora, with W7. > Sorry for the confusion! > C. At 06:07 PM 12/9/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>Carley, >>I've thought about getting that. Can you explain? Is eudora for purchase? >>Can you still sort email into folders? Does it have a menu system? >> >>-----Original Message----- From: Carly >>Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 7:46 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 >> >> >>Without having experienced any other email clients, I hear Eudora is >>buy far, the simplest. Not exactly fancy or particularly modern, it >>cannot be beat in simplisity. At 10:15 AM 12/9/2011, Katie Wang wrote: >>>Hi all, >>>I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used >>>Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple >>>interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows 7, >>>and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. >>>I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is >>>definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more >>>complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process >>>of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over >>>time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? >>>For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office >>>Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! >>>Katie >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Sat Dec 10 18:41:13 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 12:41:13 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209164447.01d4eec0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: It has standard alt-pulldown menus, and it is now open source, so free. Dave At 11:20 AM 12/10/2011, you wrote: >dave, >Does eudora have a menu structure and do you buy it? > >-----Original Message----- From: David Andrews >Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 9:14 AM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 > >I use Eudora on a daily basis, for my large amount of e-mail >associated with all nfb lists. It is simple and straight forward for >the most part. It is also good because you can actually find its >files, and manipulate them manually. You can edit the .ini file that >controls behavior, the filters file, that filters messages etc. One >reason I stick with it is that my filters file is now over 161 K in >size, putting things where I need them for list administration. > >Dave > >\At 06:46 PM 12/9/2011, you wrote: > >>Without having experienced any other email clients, I hear Eudora >>is buy far, the simplest. Not exactly fancy or particularly modern, >>it cannot be beat in simplisity. At 10:15 AM 12/9/2011, Katie Wang wrote: >>>Hi all, >>>I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used >>>Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple >>>interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows 7, >>>and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. >>>I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is >>>definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more >>>complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process >>>of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over >>>time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? >>>For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office >>>Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! >>>Katie From kobycox at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 18:58:58 2011 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 12:58:58 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <82F5570B750149679722C03C4F1C6EDE@OwnerPC> Katie, Can you please email me off list? My email address is: kobycox at gmail.com. Thanks, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Katie Wang Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 12:41 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 Thanks for all the suggestions! Thunderbird sounds like a very promising solution. Does it have keyboard shortcuts for things like creating, replying to, and forwarding mail? Is the address book feature user-friendly? Like Arielle I also use the basic html web version for gmail but need an email client for my university email account. Of course, I could potentially have my university mail automatically forwarded to my gmail account, which I hear is a common practice among my fellow students. On 12/10/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Carley, > Eudora is eudora regardless of what operating system you have. So how do you > like it? Are there keystrokes for all the clicking a mouse does. > Like do you press control N for new message? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carly > Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 1:17 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National > Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 > > > Hi, I use an ancient, version of both the OS and Eudora. As ai said, > I didn't realize you'all were talking about using Eudora, with W7. > Sorry for the confusion! > C. At 06:07 PM 12/9/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>Carley, >>I've thought about getting that. Can you explain? Is eudora for purchase? >>Can you still sort email into folders? Does it have a menu system? >> >>-----Original Message----- From: Carly >>Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 7:46 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 >> >> >>Without having experienced any other email clients, I hear Eudora is >>buy far, the simplest. Not exactly fancy or particularly modern, it >>cannot be beat in simplisity. At 10:15 AM 12/9/2011, Katie Wang wrote: >>>Hi all, >>>I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used >>>Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple >>>interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows 7, >>>and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. >>>I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is >>>definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more >>>complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process >>>of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over >>>time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? >>>For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office >>>Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! >>>Katie >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthl ink.net >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40eart hlink.net >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthli nk.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl ink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail. com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4071 - Release Date: 12/09/11 14:51:00 From kobycox at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 20:55:12 2011 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 14:55:12 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Question for you Message-ID: <8CACE27634254FDEA9BCBDD17E04DCE7@OwnerPC> Does anyone no how to add some one on Twitter via the Tweet list application on the iPhone 4? I'm trying to accomplish this while using VoiceOver. Each one of you right back soon, Koby. From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 21:45:42 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 14:45:42 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: <82F5570B750149679722C03C4F1C6EDE@OwnerPC> References: <82F5570B750149679722C03C4F1C6EDE@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Katie, I used to have my school email auto-forward to my Gmail and this worked fine for me for several years. I decided to change because I like having a little separation between my school/work and personal/fun email. Also, I occasionally had to post messages on school-related listservs from my school email address. But for the most part, forwarding everything to Gmail worked fine. Arielle On 12/10/11, Koby Cox wrote: > Katie, > Can you please email me off list? My email address is: > kobycox at gmail.com. > Thanks, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Katie Wang > Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 12:41 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 > > Thanks for all the suggestions! Thunderbird sounds like a very > promising solution. Does it have keyboard shortcuts for things like > creating, replying to, and forwarding mail? Is the address book > feature user-friendly? Like Arielle I also use the basic html web > version for gmail but need an email client for my university email > account. Of course, I could potentially have my university mail > automatically forwarded to my gmail account, which I hear is a common > practice among my fellow students. > > On 12/10/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Carley, >> Eudora is eudora regardless of what operating system you have. So how > do you >> like it? Are there keystrokes for all the clicking a mouse does. >> Like do you press control N for new message? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carly >> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 1:17 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National >> Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 >> >> >> Hi, I use an ancient, version of both the OS and Eudora. As ai said, >> I didn't realize you'all were talking about using Eudora, with W7. >> Sorry for the confusion! >> C. At 06:07 PM 12/9/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>Carley, >>>I've thought about getting that. Can you explain? Is eudora for > purchase? >>>Can you still sort email into folders? Does it have a menu system? >>> >>>-----Original Message----- From: Carly >>>Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 7:46 PM >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 >>> >>> >>>Without having experienced any other email clients, I hear Eudora is >>>buy far, the simplest. Not exactly fancy or particularly modern, it >>>cannot be beat in simplisity. At 10:15 AM 12/9/2011, Katie Wang wrote: >>>>Hi all, >>>>I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used >>>>Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple >>>>interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows > 7, >>>>and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. >>>>I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is >>>>definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more >>>>complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process >>>>of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over >>>>time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? >>>>For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office >>>>Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! >>>>Katie >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthl > ink.net >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40eart > hlink.net >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthli > nk.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl > ink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail. > com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4071 - Release Date: 12/09/11 > 14:51:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 00:12:12 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:12:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] [LCA] a cane for the blind improves socialinteractions] Message-ID: <4ee3f561.c3bde00a.13f4.6673@mx.google.com> Hi Arielle, I agree with all of your thoughts here! While the technology behind this is a good idea, I think it shouldn't be in a cane. I like Jedi's idea of making an iPhone app. I mean, how easy would that be? Or, they could even put the technology in the existing GPS products for the blind, like the Trekker-Breeze or the Kapten. No, don't put it in a cane! And, you are right about some of the misconceptions about blindness stated in this article. It sounded to me very much like one that Dr. Maurer would read at a banquet speech at national convention and the whole audience would laugh about how rediculously funny the misconceptions about blindness depicted in it were. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Arielle Silverman Oh, OK. I won't ask then. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Sabo" Hi Patrick, I agree with you, but let me just play Devil's Advocate here, as I can see both sides. But at the same time; how expensive do you think one of those blind driver cars would be? Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick Molloy wrote: Hi all, A few comments: 1. I couldn't help but notice some of the pathetic and exaggerated statements in the article, such as "They must be dependent on another person" (for social interaction). While it is true we can't locate silent people, we can, and do, use our ears to find people at times. This aspect of blindness is completely ignored here and I am not even sure if this invventor is aware that blind people use their ears as a means to find people. And, in spite of what the article says, I learned at a young age to detect my mother's presence in a room. :) 2. I don't quite get it. So in order to locate someone with the device, that person has to check in on Foursquare or another such venue? I know even my friends who are heavy Foursquare users don't check in everywhere they go. So what are the odds of accidentally bumping into someone who checked in on Foursquare right where you are? Most of the time we need to find people is in small and crowded spaces like at meetings or parties, where people may or may not check in. If I make plans to meet a friend and they have to go to the trouble of checking in for me to find them, it'd be easier for them to just come up and say hi to me, no? That said, I might be for something that uses face-recognition technology to ID people in a small space, like a meeting etc. 3. I agree with others that it'd be more practical to implement this as an app rather than as part of a cane. Also, I like the idea of overhead object identification as cane users currently have little defense against overhead objects. But is a mere beep sufficient to tell the user exactly what is hanging overhead, how far down it's hanging, how big it is, etc.? It reminds me of the infamous "watch out" sometimes exclaimed by sighted onlookers, which is very general and meaningless. The cane gives tactile feedback so we know what is on the ground-at least how big it is, how close it is and where the clear path is-so it seems we would need to get similar tactile feedback for overhead objects in order for the technology to be effective. Otherwise we might as well just use a plain old cane with a GPS app. Best, Arielle _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy% 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 00:12:22 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:12:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A cane for the blind to improve social interactions Message-ID: <4ee3f56a.c3bde00a.13f4.667f@mx.google.com> Hi Bridgit, You are so right on the relying on technology aspect of it all! I remember listening to a demo and presentation on the Trekker Breeze, and Giles Pepin, the CEO of HumanWare, put a disclaimer out there right at the beginning which said that the Breeze, although it has GPS technology, is no replacement for good travel skills; rather, it is meant to be an addition to them. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bridgit Pollpeter References: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209164447.01d4eec0@earthlink.net> <53DC63D388D0428981F7EECD48BF47B5@OwnerPC><7.0.1.0.2.20111209221541.01d9baa8@earthlink.net> <009f01ccb72f$c7667bb0$56337310$@net> Message-ID: I use Microsoft outlook. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary Ellen Sanchez Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 3:35 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 Hello yes I would like to ask does anyone know of something like outlook express as I use windows 7 and liked outlook express because it automatically added the email addresses when I replied to the messages. Is there a way to do that with Microsoft outlook? I also wondered are there any other email client programs that have a simple interface that I could use with windows 7? I thank you very much for your time and look forward to hearing from you soon. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 12:17 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 Hi, I use an ancient, version of both the OS and Eudora. As ai said, I didn't realize you'all were talking about using Eudora, with W7. Sorry for the confusion! C. At 06:07 PM 12/9/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Carley, >I've thought about getting that. Can you explain? Is eudora for >purchase? Can you still sort email into folders? Does it have a menu system? > >-----Original Message----- From: Carly >Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 7:46 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 > > >Without having experienced any other email clients, I hear Eudora is >buy far, the simplest. Not exactly fancy or particularly modern, it >cannot be beat in simplisity. At 10:15 AM 12/9/2011, Katie Wang wrote: >>Hi all, >>I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used >>Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple >>interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows 7, >>and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. >>I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is >>definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more >>complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process >>of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over >>time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? >>For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office >>Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! >>Katie >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthli >>nk.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earth >link.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlin >k.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/maryesanchez%40grandecom .net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From robinmel71 at earthlink.net Sun Dec 11 03:39:08 2011 From: robinmel71 at earthlink.net (Robin) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:39:08 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209164447.01d4eec0@earthlink.net> <53DC63D388D0428981F7EECD48BF47B5@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20111209221541.01d9baa8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20111210193007.0491e810@earthlink.net> Good Evening, Miss Ashley, I use Eudora as a email client with Windows 7, but it is NOT completely accessible. I am unable to determine whether or not an email message has been read or unread. I'm also unable to determine whether or not a message contains an attachment. I don't know if it has something to do with my current screen reader, JAWS 12, or Eudora itself. This may have something to do with Eudora not being my Default email client even though it is. Peace OUT, Robin At 09:22 AM 12/10/2011, you wrote: >Carley, >Eudora is eudora regardless of what operating system you have. So >how do you like it? Are there keystrokes for all the clicking a mouse does. >Like do you press control N for new message? > >-----Original Message----- From: Carly >Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 1:17 AM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National >Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 > > >Hi, I use an ancient, version of both the OS and Eudora. As ai said, >I didn't realize you'all were talking about using Eudora, with W7. >Sorry for the confusion! >C. At 06:07 PM 12/9/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>Carley, >>I've thought about getting that. Can you explain? Is eudora for >>purchase? Can you still sort email into folders? Does it have a menu system? >> >>-----Original Message----- From: Carly >>Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 7:46 PM >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 >> >> >>Without having experienced any other email clients, I hear Eudora is >>buy far, the simplest. Not exactly fancy or particularly modern, it >>cannot be beat in simplisity. At 10:15 AM 12/9/2011, Katie Wang wrote: >>>Hi all, >>>I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used >>>Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple >>>interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows 7, >>>and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. >>>I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is >>>definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more >>>complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process >>>of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over >>>time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? >>>For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office >>>Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! >>>Katie >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>for nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robinmel71%40earthlink.net From dandrews at visi.com Sun Dec 11 14:35:28 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 08:35:28 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209164447.01d4eec0@earthlink.net> <53DC63D388D0428981F7EECD48BF47B5@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20111209221541.01d9baa8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Yes, Thunderbird has shortcut keys for many things. Address book seems ok, although haven't used it a lot. JAWS 13 has scripts for Thunderbird. Dave At 12:40 PM 12/10/2011, you wrote: >Thanks for all the suggestions! Thunderbird sounds like a very >promising solution. Does it have keyboard shortcuts for things like >creating, replying to, and forwarding mail? Is the address book >feature user-friendly? Like Arielle I also use the basic html web >version for gmail but need an email client for my university email >account. Of course, I could potentially have my university mail >automatically forwarded to my gmail account, which I hear is a common >practice among my fellow students. > >On 12/10/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > > Carley, > > Eudora is eudora regardless of what operating system you have. So > how do you > > like it? Are there keystrokes for all the clicking a mouse does. > > Like do you press control N for new message? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Carly > > Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 1:17 AM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National > > Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 > > > > > > Hi, I use an ancient, version of both the OS and Eudora. As ai said, > > I didn't realize you'all were talking about using Eudora, with W7. > > Sorry for the confusion! > > C. At 06:07 PM 12/9/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > >>Carley, > >>I've thought about getting that. Can you explain? Is eudora for purchase? > >>Can you still sort email into folders? Does it have a menu system? > >> > >>-----Original Message----- From: Carly > >>Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 7:46 PM > >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 > >> > >> > >>Without having experienced any other email clients, I hear Eudora is > >>buy far, the simplest. Not exactly fancy or particularly modern, it > >>cannot be beat in simplisity. At 10:15 AM 12/9/2011, Katie Wang wrote: > >>>Hi all, > >>>I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used > >>>Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple > >>>interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows 7, > >>>and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. > >>>I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is > >>>definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more > >>>complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process > >>>of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over > >>>time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? > >>>For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office > >>>Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! > >>>Katie From gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net Sun Dec 11 18:36:20 2011 From: gymnastdave at sbcglobal.net (Hai Nguyen Ly) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 13:36:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] =?windows-1252?q?Beneblog=3A_Technology_Meets_Society=3A?= =?windows-1252?q?_Why_I=92m_Scared_of_the_SOPA_bill?= Message-ID: <6FCEAC32-25FF-4D01-8B86-2E6CB4579264@sbcglobal.net> http://benetech.blogspot.com/2011/11/why-im-scared-of-sopa-bill.html Why I’m Scared of the SOPA bill Benetech, is a leading nonprofit organization based in Silicon Valley. We write software for people with disabilities as well as human rights and environmental groups. We’re against piracy, and have made commitments to authors and publishers to encourage compliance with copyright law. So, we shouldn’t have anything to fear from a bill entitled “Stop Online Piracy Act,” right? Unfortunately, that’s not the case. We’re getting very worried that our organization and the people we serve: people with print disabilities (i.e., people who are blind or severely dyslexic), and human rights groups will be collateral damage in Hollywood’s attempt to break the Internet in their latest effort to squash “piracy.” And, if we’re worried, a lot of other good organizations should start getting worried! Let me give two specific examples that came up in my first conversation with a lawyer about the proposed bill: 1. Stopping fund raising and subscription revenue for Bookshare, the largest online library for people who have print disabilities. Bookshare is an online library for people who can’t read standard print books. We provide accessible ebooks that can be spoken aloud, turned into Braille or large print. We serve over 150,000 students with disabilities alone with free online services funded by the Department of Education (however, nothing contained in this post has anything to do with our funders). We also have thousands of adults with disabilities that pay a $50 a year subscription to be able to download all the books and newspapers they can read. Ironically, many of these users might buy commercial ebooks, but the anti-piracy technology built into many ebook systems are not compatible with the technology these users employ to get the books in Braille or synthetic speech. Bookshare is legal in the United States because our copyright law includes an exception that allows nonprofit organizations like Benetech to make accessible versions of books for people with print disabilities without requesting permission or paying a royalty. We frequently get emails or letters from authors, agents or publishers who don’t know much about people with disabilities or about Section 121 of the copyright law, calling us pirates and asking us to cease and desist from making their books available on the Internet. Often, these communications come in the form of what’s called a DMCA or take-down notice. Now, we have a nice little letter thanking them, explaining that we only help people with bona fide disabilities, that it’s legal, that we’ve worked with the big publishing associations and with authors groups, and wouldn’t they like to help us in the future by adding more of their books voluntarily to our collection. Most of the time, that works great, and we end up making a new friend after they dig a little and find out that we are closer to Florence Nightingale than the Dread Pirate Roberts. Sometimes, we have to spend time talking a newbie lawyer down from high dudgeon and explaining that there really are such things as exceptions and limitations in copyright, and do they really want to have their client be the first author to attack the rights of blind people to be able to get Braille? And then they go away. Because that’s a lawsuit they are unlikely to win, and it would be a professional error to waste their client’s money attacking a library doing legal things. However, SOPA apparently has shoot first, ask questions later provisions. If any single publisher or author of any one of the more than 130,000 accessible books in our library gets antsy, they can send a notice to VISA and MasterCard and say, stop money from going to Benetech and Bookshare. No more donations to our charity. No more subscriptions from individual adults with disabilities. No need to send us a letter. Or file a DMCA notice. Or do any real research. Just send out a bunch of notices and get all those pirates! Except, we’re not pirates. But, now the burden of proof has shifted to us: we’re presumed guilty, and we have to spent time and money defending ourselves. Sounds kind of un-American, doesn’t it? Now, apparently, we can file a counter-notice. But, my guess is that the credit card guys are going to play it safe and stay away from turning “pirates” back on, and we’d end up in court arguing to be able to get our ability to receive funds for our socially beneficial work, not only to help people with disabilities but also our work to help environmental and human rights groups. Yet another example of bills written to catch criminals, that do very little to stop them, but end up screwing up law-abiding organizations. 2. Endangering Human Rights Activists. Benetech is one of the largest developers of software for human rights activists around the world. We develop free and open source software to help groups capture the stories of human rights abuse, and store and back them up securely in another country. Wonderful stuff. We work all over the world, and our Martus software has been translated into Spanish, French, Russian, Arabic, Khmer and other languages. The U.S. Department of State just funded us to help LGBT groups in Uganda securely capture documentation of abuses against those communities (again, our funders are not responsible for this post). We work in North Africa Latin America, Asia: most of the places where large scale human rights abuses are going on. And, in many of these places, we’re helping the activists avoid censorship and surveillance by the government. It’s also crucially important to be able to assure the confidentiality of witnesses and victims both to protect their privacy (i.e., victims of sexual violence) and their safety (do you want the police to know that you have testified to an illegal killing by the police?). So, another example of potential collateral damage from SOPA. The problem is that we provide technology that allows for security, privacy and circumvention. We do it for human rights groups. But, when asked if we know whether or not there are “pirated” copyrighted materials, we can’t say. Because, if we make software that promises to keep your life or death sensitive information secret to the best of our abilities, we won’t build a back door in for Syria, or China, or the U.S. government or even (heavens!) Hollywood. Apparently, one of the provisions of SOPA is that technology and servers and websites that can be used for evading controls on piracy can be shut down by the Attorney General. Unfortunately, safeguarding human rights information can’t be distinguished from piracy, if the contents are encrypted. So, our software, and the TOR network servers we and others operate, and other similar technologies, can get shut down in the name of protecting Hollywood. Let's Not Do This Stupid Thing, and Avoid Breaking the Internet In conclusion, I can’t imagine that breaking the Internet, making charities waste money fighting thoughtless and careless allegations, and making it easier for repressive governments to suppress human rights groups, was what was intended when this bill was drafted. Our concerns are just one set out of many. Engineers have described this bill as “breaking the Internet,” because complying with it requires major (and not good) changes in how the Internet works today. Most tech companies think this is the most counter-productive job and innovation killing bill they've seen in years. And, tons of human rights groups have protested against the U.S. starting to act more like China than the home of the free. The costs and impacts far outweigh any (unlikely) benefit Hollywood would receive. Let’s not do this as a country. Background information: Electronic Frontier Foundation has great information on SOPA and related bills, including this one: SOPA: Hollywood Finally Gets A Chance to Break the Internet. If you're so moved, here's where EFF points you to taking action by contacting your elected representatives: Take Action | Electronic Frontier Foundation. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 21:06:49 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 16:06:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] board games Message-ID: <4ee51b70.c2c3e00a.21ee.ffffd5ee@mx.google.com> Hi Frandi, Yes, this is a list for students, but you can ask any questions here about any blindness-related topic, as I understand it. Maybe Dave Andrews or one of the list-serve committee members in NABS can clarify this. To your question, I think the NFB Independence Market has a Braille Clue game. Check out the products and technology page on nfb.org or call the national center at 410-659-9314 and hit 4 for Independence Market. You could also try MaxiAids or Independent Living Aids or one of those companies, but I know Independence Market has tons of accessible board games. Hope this helps! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/01/braille-it-labeler-brings-low- cost-printing-sightless-construc/ Sent from my iPod From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 21:06:51 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 16:06:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] board games Message-ID: <4ee51b73.c2c3e00a.21ee.ffffd5f3@mx.google.com> I didn't know they had games! I get a lot of Braille books from them (the Braille Superstore.) Thanks, Lea! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Lea williams wrote: good question. If not, you could take dymo tape and braille the cards and mark the board. I have seen braille scrabble though. Also chinese checkers. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 5:33 PM To: NFB Subject: [nabs-l] board games I know this is a list for students, but I have seen many things on here that has nothing to do with school and school survices. So, I shall now contribute my share of non student related questions. There is a game out their called clue. Has anyone seen a braille version of this classic board game? _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988 %40gmail.com -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 21:06:50 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 16:06:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] board games Message-ID: <4ee51b71.c2c3e00a.21ee.ffffd5ef@mx.google.com> I have a Braille Scrabble game, which I got from Independence Market. I think they have Chess and Checkers too. Check them out, as they have a lot of games. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" Hi Joshua, What is this company that sells Braille Chess and Uno cards? Thanks! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: They also sell this wax sticks that my school would put on the lines so you could find the lines, or hot glew the lines. Yes you could use a brailler or a slate and stylus to write on the cards. I perfer a slate and stylus. Then put braille lables on the board where its needed. You could use stickers like stars or something to mark the squares too for an alternitive and cheeper method. On 12/2/11, trising at sbcglobal.net wrote: My parents adapted it for me when I was a teenager. The cards can be rolled into a Perkins Brailler and Brailled. A dot of hot glue can be put on every square so you can move your person. A Braille label can be put in every room in the mansion. That is really all that is necessary. Terri Wilcox Secretary, National Federation of the Blind of Michigan Ann Arbor Chapter President -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1591 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988 %40gmail.com -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 21:06:43 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 16:06:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] fw: MIRA Foundation Message-ID: <4ee51b6a.c2c3e00a.21ee.ffffd5e7@mx.google.com> This is very interesting! Sounds like a good foundation! For the I C.A.N. Foundation board members: as you will read in the article, their main fundraiser is Dining in the Dark, and there are some details about their fundraiser in the article which might help us with our DITD. I'll see if I can get some kind of contact info for them if we're interested in contacting them to get more info on their DITD. Chris ---- Original Message ------ From: "Deb" I keep getting this vacation reply email from one Shahid Akab. Since I don't know him, I assume that he is on one of these lists. If he is, please (Shahid) let me know. This is the email I keep getting: Chris ---- Original Message ------ From: Hi! Thanks for your E-Mail! I daily check out my Mail-Box. Check your inbox after few hours. I'll surely responce you as soon as I read your message. Keep in contact! Regards: Shahid (A Blind College going Student) From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 21:07:24 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 16:07:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder conference call Message-ID: <4ee51b93.c2c3e00a.21ee.ffffd616@mx.google.com> Was this call recorded? Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: community service Outreach , blindtlk , blparent , christine-parsons at sbcglobal.net, community-service ,dsmithnfb , humanser at nfbnet.org, julietsalih at yahoo.com, nabs-l ,nagdu , nagdu , nfb-talk Message-ID: Perhaps, the NFB should use its collective power to modify, or hopefully squash the SOPA bill. I agree, that the SOPA bill could pose problems with the legal sharing of accessible content, as well as ensnare lots of unsuspecting people. Most people don’t go around intentionally braking copywriter law, however, sometimes, people do unintentionally. I for one have photocopied out a page from a textbook for a friend, or accidentally recorded part of a radio or television show as part of the background in a home video. Hypothetically, if this video happened to be hilarious, and I posted it on line, would I get prosecuted under this new bill? Maybe, someone with a lot more knowledge of the current laws, and knowledge of the SOPA bill could draft a letter to send to the committee making this bill expressing our concerns of how this bill could unintentionally affect blind people’s acksess to important resources like Book Share, Web Braille, NLS, RFBD and anything else I didn’t think of. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hai Nguyen Ly" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" ; "Illinois Association of Blind Students List" ; "NFB of Illinois Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 1:36 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Beneblog: Technology Meets Society: Why I’m Scared of the SOPA bill http://benetech.blogspot.com/2011/11/why-im-scared-of-sopa-bill.html Why I’m Scared of the SOPA bill Benetech, is a leading nonprofit organization based in Silicon Valley. We write software for people with disabilities as well as human rights and environmental groups. We’re against piracy, and have made commitments to authors and publishers to encourage compliance with copyright law. So, we shouldn’t have anything to fear from a bill entitled “Stop Online Piracy Act,” right? Unfortunately, that’s not the case. We’re getting very worried that our organization and the people we serve: people with print disabilities (i.e., people who are blind or severely dyslexic), and human rights groups will be collateral damage in Hollywood’s attempt to break the Internet in their latest effort to squash “piracy.” And, if we’re worried, a lot of other good organizations should start getting worried! Let me give two specific examples that came up in my first conversation with a lawyer about the proposed bill: 1. Stopping fund raising and subscription revenue for Bookshare, the largest online library for people who have print disabilities. Bookshare is an online library for people who can’t read standard print books. We provide accessible ebooks that can be spoken aloud, turned into Braille or large print. We serve over 150,000 students with disabilities alone with free online services funded by the Department of Education (however, nothing contained in this post has anything to do with our funders). We also have thousands of adults with disabilities that pay a $50 a year subscription to be able to download all the books and newspapers they can read. Ironically, many of these users might buy commercial ebooks, but the anti-piracy technology built into many ebook systems are not compatible with the technology these users employ to get the books in Braille or synthetic speech. Bookshare is legal in the United States because our copyright law includes an exception that allows nonprofit organizations like Benetech to make accessible versions of books for people with print disabilities without requesting permission or paying a royalty. We frequently get emails or letters from authors, agents or publishers who don’t know much about people with disabilities or about Section 121 of the copyright law, calling us pirates and asking us to cease and desist from making their books available on the Internet. Often, these communications come in the form of what’s called a DMCA or take-down notice. Now, we have a nice little letter thanking them, explaining that we only help people with bona fide disabilities, that it’s legal, that we’ve worked with the big publishing associations and with authors groups, and wouldn’t they like to help us in the future by adding more of their books voluntarily to our collection. Most of the time, that works great, and we end up making a new friend after they dig a little and find out that we are closer to Florence Nightingale than the Dread Pirate Roberts. Sometimes, we have to spend time talking a newbie lawyer down from high dudgeon and explaining that there really are such things as exceptions and limitations in copyright, and do they really want to have their client be the first author to attack the rights of blind people to be able to get Braille? And then they go away. Because that’s a lawsuit they are unlikely to win, and it would be a professional error to waste their client’s money attacking a library doing legal things. However, SOPA apparently has shoot first, ask questions later provisions. If any single publisher or author of any one of the more than 130,000 accessible books in our library gets antsy, they can send a notice to VISA and MasterCard and say, stop money from going to Benetech and Bookshare. No more donations to our charity. No more subscriptions from individual adults with disabilities. No need to send us a letter. Or file a DMCA notice. Or do any real research. Just send out a bunch of notices and get all those pirates! Except, we’re not pirates. But, now the burden of proof has shifted to us: we’re presumed guilty, and we have to spent time and money defending ourselves. Sounds kind of un-American, doesn’t it? Now, apparently, we can file a counter-notice. But, my guess is that the credit card guys are going to play it safe and stay away from turning “pirates” back on, and we’d end up in court arguing to be able to get our ability to receive funds for our socially beneficial work, not only to help people with disabilities but also our work to help environmental and human rights groups. Yet another example of bills written to catch criminals, that do very little to stop them, but end up screwing up law-abiding organizations. 2. Endangering Human Rights Activists. Benetech is one of the largest developers of software for human rights activists around the world. We develop free and open source software to help groups capture the stories of human rights abuse, and store and back them up securely in another country. Wonderful stuff. We work all over the world, and our Martus software has been translated into Spanish, French, Russian, Arabic, Khmer and other languages. The U.S. Department of State just funded us to help LGBT groups in Uganda securely capture documentation of abuses against those communities (again, our funders are not responsible for this post). We work in North Africa Latin America, Asia: most of the places where large scale human rights abuses are going on. And, in many of these places, we’re helping the activists avoid censorship and surveillance by the government. It’s also crucially important to be able to assure the confidentiality of witnesses and victims both to protect their privacy (i.e., victims of sexual violence) and their safety (do you want the police to know that you have testified to an illegal killing by the police?). So, another example of potential collateral damage from SOPA. The problem is that we provide technology that allows for security, privacy and circumvention. We do it for human rights groups. But, when asked if we know whether or not there are “pirated” copyrighted materials, we can’t say. Because, if we make software that promises to keep your life or death sensitive information secret to the best of our abilities, we won’t build a back door in for Syria, or China, or the U.S. government or even (heavens!) Hollywood. Apparently, one of the provisions of SOPA is that technology and servers and websites that can be used for evading controls on piracy can be shut down by the Attorney General. Unfortunately, safeguarding human rights information can’t be distinguished from piracy, if the contents are encrypted. So, our software, and the TOR network servers we and others operate, and other similar technologies, can get shut down in the name of protecting Hollywood. Let's Not Do This Stupid Thing, and Avoid Breaking the Internet In conclusion, I can’t imagine that breaking the Internet, making charities waste money fighting thoughtless and careless allegations, and making it easier for repressive governments to suppress human rights groups, was what was intended when this bill was drafted. Our concerns are just one set out of many. Engineers have described this bill as “breaking the Internet,” because complying with it requires major (and not good) changes in how the Internet works today. Most tech companies think this is the most counter-productive job and innovation killing bill they've seen in years. And, tons of human rights groups have protested against the U.S. starting to act more like China than the home of the free. The costs and impacts far outweigh any (unlikely) benefit Hollywood would receive. Let’s not do this as a country. Background information: Electronic Frontier Foundation has great information on SOPA and related bills, including this one: SOPA: Hollywood Finally Gets A Chance to Break the Internet. If you're so moved, here's where EFF points you to taking action by contacting your elected representatives: Take Action | Electronic Frontier Foundation. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 21:40:02 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 16:40:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] =?iso-8859-1?q?Why_I=92m_Scared_of_the_SOPA_bill?= Message-ID: <4ee52338.c3bde00a.13f4.ffffcfd6@mx.google.com> Hi=20Mark, If=20you'd=20like=20to=20get=20the=20Federation=20involved=20in=20this=20(a= nd=20I=20agree=20 with=20you,)=20I'd=20contact=20John=20Par=E9,=20who=20is=20the=20director=20= of=20 strategic=20initiatives=20for=20the=20Federation.=20=20You=20can=20email=20= him=20at=20 jpare at nfb.org. Chris "The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi= ght.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance." --=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President,=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20= Blind,=20 1968-1986 =20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20blind=20and=20visually=20impa= ired=20youth=20 in=20Maryland=20say=20"I=20can,"=20by=20empowering=20them=20through=20provi= ding=20 assistive=20technology=20and=20scholarships=20to=20camps=20and=20convention= s=20 which=20help=20them=20be=20equal=20with=20their=20sighted=20peers.=20=20For= =20more=20 information=20about=20the=20Foundation=20and=20to=20support=20our=20work,=20= visit=20 us=20online=20at=20www.icanfoundation.info! =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Mark=20J.=20=20Cadigan"=20;=20"Illinois=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20 List" ;=20"NFB=20of=20Illinois=20Mailing=20List"=20 Message-ID: <5EC78A4083724FA5B30A925020F8EBB1@cadiganpc> perhaps you could do that Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 4:40 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Why I�m Scared of the SOPA bill Hi Mark, If you'd like to get the Federation involved in this (and I agree with you,) I'd contact John Par? who is the director of strategic initiatives for the Federation. You can email him at jpare at nfb.org. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Cadigan" ; "Illinois Association of Blind Students List" ; "NFB of Illinois Mailing List" _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Dec 11 22:09:05 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 17:09:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20111209164447.01d4eec0@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Thanks Dave. good to know eudora and thunderbird are free and have menus. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: David Andrews Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 1:41 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 It has standard alt-pulldown menus, and it is now open source, so free. Dave At 11:20 AM 12/10/2011, you wrote: >dave, >Does eudora have a menu structure and do you buy it? > >-----Original Message----- From: David Andrews >Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 9:14 AM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 > >I use Eudora on a daily basis, for my large amount of e-mail >associated with all nfb lists. It is simple and straight forward for >the most part. It is also good because you can actually find its >files, and manipulate them manually. You can edit the .ini file that >controls behavior, the filters file, that filters messages etc. One >reason I stick with it is that my filters file is now over 161 K in >size, putting things where I need them for list administration. > >Dave > >\At 06:46 PM 12/9/2011, you wrote: > >>Without having experienced any other email clients, I hear Eudora is buy >>far, the simplest. Not exactly fancy or particularly modern, it cannot be >>beat in simplisity. At 10:15 AM 12/9/2011, Katie Wang wrote: >>>Hi all, >>>I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used >>>Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple >>>interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows 7, >>>and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. >>>I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is >>>definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more >>>complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process >>>of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over >>>time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? >>>For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office >>>Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! >>>Katie _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From kobycox at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 01:24:30 2011 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 19:24:30 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB training centers Message-ID: Hello all, Haveany of you ever attended the Colorado Center for the Blind also known as the CCB. If so how did you like it and what things did you dislike about it? Thanks, Koby. From ignasicambra at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 10:59:32 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 05:59:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] fw: MIRA Foundation In-Reply-To: <4ee51b6a.c2c3e00a.21ee.ffffd5e7@mx.google.com> References: <4ee51b6a.c2c3e00a.21ee.ffffd5e7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9007905314355076393@unknownmsgid> I received my guide dog from Mira Canada in 2004 at age 14. I cannot say enough good things about this organization. The quality of their training is just amazing. I used my dog during my last three years of high school in Spain, and then I came to the United States for college and the dog adapted himself perfectly to the new campus. I travel a lot giving concerts and my guide dog responds extremely well every single time. Please let me know if you have any questions. Ignasi Sent from my iPhone On Dec 11, 2011, at 4:16 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > This is very interesting! Sounds like a good foundation! For the I C.A.N. Foundation board members: as you will read in the article, their main fundraiser is Dining in the Dark, and there are some details about their fundraiser in the article which might help us with our DITD. I'll see if I can get some kind of contact info for them if we're interested in contacting them to get more info on their DITD. > > Chris > > ---- Original Message ------ > From: "Deb" Subject: MIRA FOUNDATION > Date sent: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 22:06:07 -0600 > > This came from my Iowa Council of The United Blind Fall Bulletin. Was not > aware of this organization. > > > > MIRA FOUNDATION > > (Retrieved from the MCB Listserv, November 5, 2011.) > > MIRA Foundation USA is a national nonprofit based in Aberdeen, NC. It is > unique in that it is the only organization in the United States dedicated to > providing guide dogs to blind children and youth between the ages of 11-17, > and they do so at no charge to the recipient. > > MIRA was founded in 2009 by Robert and Elaine Baillie after Bob became > totally blind following complications from coronary bypass surgery. Although > he initially felt great despair at the sudden turn of events in his life, > close friends convinced Bob to travel to MIRA Canada where he was paired > with his magnificent Bernese Mountain guide dog, Devon. Both Bob and Elaine > quickly realized that Devon was the key to Bob's adaptation to life with his > new challenges, and they decided that they wanted to provide this > opportunity to the underserved population of blind children and youth. > > Today, two years after its inception, MIRA USA is a young but vital > organization that can be very proud of the work they have accomplished. In > 2010, in only the first full year of operation, > > MIRA paired two dogs with students: one an eleven year old girl from the San > Diego, CA area, and the other a young man from Durham, NC who is now a > student at Stanford University. The girl became the youngest person in the > US to ever have received a guide dog, and just over a year later she and her > dog are thriving. She is an honors student, speaks three languages, plays > three musical instruments, and has won gold medals in mathematics and > Braille competitions. Even better, she is remarkably well adjusted and > confident with her dog. In fact, both students are thriving. > > Although MIRA USA is a separate legal entity from MIRA CA, we work together > in very close partnership, since our dogs and our students are trained on > the MIRA CA campus, and we benefit from the thirty year history MIRA CA has > with training guide and service dogs, including twenty of those years as the > only organization in the world dedicated to training guide dogs for > children. In the last twenty years they have paired approximately 200 > students with dogs and have never had a rejection. This is a tribute to MIRA > CA's careful breeding, selection and training of dogs, as well as their > meticulous assessment and training of student candidates. MIRA's global > reputation is undisputed and well earned. > > The staff at MIRA USA is not only responsible for searching out potential > MIRA guide dog recipients, but also ensuring that all paperwork is completed > and assembled on time, scheduling and overseeing assessments and follow up > visits, and of course, raising the necessary funds to make the pairings > possible. Our signature fundraising event, Dining in the Dark, is a > semi-formal dinner that is held in a country club environment where the > diners don blindfolds from the time they sit down to the main course until > dessert is served. MIRA has held this event two successive years in the > Sandhills, and once in Raleigh, with events scheduled for the Spring of 2012 > in the Sandhills, Raleigh, and Charlotte. Dining in the Dark is not only a > revealing event, it has also proven to be fun as people gain awareness about > the challenges of chasing cherry tomatoes around a salad plate or simply > getting food to their mouths without dropping it everywhere when they cannot > see what they are doing. > > In July of 2011, MIRA USA sent six students to Canada for training in > preparation for receiving a guide dog. Two of the students were from the > Sandhills area of NC, two from Raleigh, one from Fayetteville, and one from > Aiken, SC. All six students passed the month long session with flying > colors, working eight hours per day, six days per week to master the > necessary skills to navigate safely and confidently with their canine > partners. Since their return home, the students have had one follow-up > training session at their home base with a MIRA trainer and will soon > undergo a second session. As safety is the paramount concern for both > student and dog, MIRA does not cut any corners in assuring that every pair > develops a strong working partnership. To this end, MIRA will conduct as > many follow-up sessions as necessary; however, this rarely exceeds three. > > Future plans for MIRA USA include the establishment of a training center in > Moore County which will serve as a facility for training guide dogs and the > students being paired with them, as well as a center for all blind and > severely visually impaired persons to access resources such as an audio > library, appropriate job training, social activities, and whatever other > needs are identified. Obviously, the establishment of such a center will be > dictated once again by funding, either through a generous individual or > corporation, or some other committed entity. MIRA believes, however, from > our own research and the feedback from professionals in the field of blind > assistance that this facility represents a very real need in the area. > > Finally, MIRA will continue to educate the general population about the > challenges faced by the blind and the ways in which a guide dog assists in > mitigating those challenges. Over the last two years, Bob and Devon have > addressed over two thousand Moore County fourth graders in partnership with > the Moore County Pet responsibility group. While Pet Responsibility teaches > children to advocate for their pets, MIRA teaches them about the ways in > which a guide dog advocates for its owner. They have also spoken to dozens > of civic, church, and general groups seeking to learn more about the blind > and guide dogs. It is a never ending challenge, but one that Bob, and MIRA, > takes very seriously. > > > > Exercise daily. Walk with the Lord! > > Deb and Banff > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From philso1003 at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 15:17:00 2011 From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Philip S) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:17:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Dolphin Supernova HAL screen reader Message-ID: Hi group, Does anyone here have experience with Dolphin screen readers? What's the difference between HAL, Supernova, etc.? How are Dolphin's screen readers compared to JAWS or Window Eyes? Thanks! Phil From ignasicambra at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 16:03:40 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:03:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Dolphin Supernova HAL screen reader In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38474101889593950@unknownmsgid> I'm pretty sure Hal is a screen reader and supernova is a screen magnifier. I never used them before, but I understand they work just fine… Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2011, at 10:18 AM, Philip S wrote: > Hi group, > > Does anyone here have experience with Dolphin screen readers? What's > the difference between HAL, Supernova, etc.? How are Dolphin's screen > readers compared to JAWS or Window Eyes? > Thanks! > > Phil > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From troubleclark at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 16:52:21 2011 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:52:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB training centers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Koby, My name is Nathan Clark and I am from Maryland and I also attended the CCB training center. I attended the middle school program in 2006 and the High School program in 2008. I liked the program very much because of the exposure I recieved to mass transit. If you want to talk more about the CCB offlist you can email me at troubleclark at gmail.com Sincerely, Nathan Clark On 12/11/11, Koby Cox wrote: > Hello all, > Haveany of you ever attended the Colorado Center for the Blind also > known as the CCB. If so how did you like it and what things did you > dislike about it? > Thanks, > Koby. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Dec 12 16:52:25 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:52:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Dolphin Supernova HAL screen reader In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8370432524924441894FB444F00AF82F@OwnerPC> and the only thing I know is the screen reader i s less expensive than jaws and window eyes. -----Original Message----- From: Philip S Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:17 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Dolphin Supernova HAL screen reader Hi group, Does anyone here have experience with Dolphin screen readers? What's the difference between HAL, Supernova, etc.? How are Dolphin's screen readers compared to JAWS or Window Eyes? Thanks! Phil _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Dec 12 16:51:57 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:51:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Dolphin Supernova HAL screen reader In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <276ED1469D634B088298750B4D92FDD3@OwnerPC> supernova is the screen reader. -----Original Message----- From: Philip S Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:17 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Dolphin Supernova HAL screen reader Hi group, Does anyone here have experience with Dolphin screen readers? What's the difference between HAL, Supernova, etc.? How are Dolphin's screen readers compared to JAWS or Window Eyes? Thanks! Phil _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From maryesanchez at grandecom.net Mon Dec 12 17:58:42 2011 From: maryesanchez at grandecom.net (Mary Ellen Sanchez) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 11:58:42 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB training centers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004301ccb8f7$b0593150$110b93f0$@net> Hello I attended the CCB center as well. if you would like you can email me. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Nathan Clark Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:52 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB training centers Dear Koby, My name is Nathan Clark and I am from Maryland and I also attended the CCB training center. I attended the middle school program in 2006 and the High School program in 2008. I liked the program very much because of the exposure I recieved to mass transit. If you want to talk more about the CCB offlist you can email me at troubleclark at gmail.com Sincerely, Nathan Clark On 12/11/11, Koby Cox wrote: > Hello all, > Haveany of you ever attended the Colorado Center for the Blind also > known as the CCB. If so how did you like it and what things did you > dislike about it? > Thanks, > Koby. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gma > il.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/maryesanchez%40grandecom .net From troubleclark at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 19:20:58 2011 From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:20:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB training centers In-Reply-To: <004301ccb8f7$b0593150$110b93f0$@net> References: <004301ccb8f7$b0593150$110b93f0$@net> Message-ID: Dear Mary, What year or years did you attend the CCB training center? Sincerely, Nathan Clark On 12/12/11, Mary Ellen Sanchez wrote: > Hello I attended the CCB center as well. if you would like you can email me. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Nathan Clark > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:52 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB training centers > > Dear Koby, > My name is Nathan Clark and I am from Maryland and I also attended the CCB > training center. I attended the middle school program in 2006 and the High > School program in 2008. I liked the program very much because of the > exposure I recieved to mass transit. If you want to talk more about the CCB > offlist you can email me at troubleclark at gmail.com Sincerely, Nathan Clark > > On 12/11/11, Koby Cox wrote: >> Hello all, >> Haveany of you ever attended the Colorado Center for the Blind also >> known as the CCB. If so how did you like it and what things did you >> dislike about it? >> Thanks, >> Koby. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gma >> il.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/maryesanchez%40grandecom > .net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/troubleclark%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Dec 12 20:06:10 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:06:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] navigating the airports Message-ID: Hi all, I haven’t flown alone and don’t know when I will. But I wondered what the experience is like. For security, do they take your cane and then you walk through the metal detector without it? Has anyone experienced those body invasive body scanners? How long does that take? Do you have to step in something for it? I think those scanners violate our privacy, but that is another matter. So when do you request assistance? What do you do if they bring a wheelchair? Just not use it, probably. Do they take you to your gate? Also, how do you obtain info found on those screens like flight delays or if they change the location for your flight? Also, any airline better than others? And not blindness related, but what is the rule now a days for medicines? Do they still ban everyday objects in carry on bags such as scissors, nail clippers, and tweezers? Flying is a pain for anyone, but its more convenient than taking the train. Thanks. Ashley From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Dec 12 21:03:10 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 15:03:10 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] navigating the airports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Unfortunately, they take your cane. I don't know about the other stuff. They do take you to the gate, if you don't have sighted assistance, already with you. Also, I wouldn't use the wheelchair. Blessings, Joshua On 12/12/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > I haven’t flown alone and don’t know when I will. But I wondered what the > experience is like. > For security, do they take your cane and then you walk through the metal > detector without it? > Has anyone experienced those body invasive body scanners? How long does that > take? Do you have to step in something for it? > I think those scanners violate our privacy, but that is another matter. > > So when do you request assistance? What do you do if they bring a > wheelchair? Just not use it, probably. > Do they take you to your gate? Also, how do you obtain info found on those > screens like flight delays or if they change the location for your flight? > > > Also, any airline better than others? > > And not blindness related, but what is the rule now a days for medicines? > Do they still ban everyday objects in carry on bags such as scissors, nail > clippers, and tweezers? > Flying is a pain for anyone, but its more convenient than taking the train. > > Thanks. > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 22:11:29 2011 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:11:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A Christmas Present For Nabs: The New Nabslinkaudio.org Is Live Message-ID: Hi All! Whether you've all been naughty or nice, I've decided to play Santa alittle earlier this year, and give you the brand new NabslinkAudio web site. All calls on the site are what I have available to me to give to you. Go check out the newNabsLinkAudio site at http://www.nabslinkaudio.org Enjoy! >From David From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 22:46:10 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:46:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] navigating the airports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would ask this question to Arielle. She spoke about it a few months ago and had some neat ideas of what she does. She walks around herself with no guide and just asked for directions. When going through the detector, they will walk threw it first, then take your cane just for a second, and you just go through. Not any different than going the the check out at a grocery store. You could put it in with your stuff that goes through the scanner if you wish. You don't have to go off to any place when going through the line and they have tuns of workers right there helping every one and montering the people. On 12/12/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Unfortunately, they take your cane. > I don't know about the other stuff. > They do take you to the gate, if you don't have sighted assistance, > already with you. > Also, I wouldn't use the wheelchair. > Blessings, Joshua > > > On 12/12/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I haven’t flown alone and don’t know when I will. But I wondered what the >> experience is like. >> For security, do they take your cane and then you walk through the metal >> detector without it? >> Has anyone experienced those body invasive body scanners? How long does >> that >> take? Do you have to step in something for it? >> I think those scanners violate our privacy, but that is another matter. >> >> So when do you request assistance? What do you do if they bring a >> wheelchair? Just not use it, probably. >> Do they take you to your gate? Also, how do you obtain info found on those >> screens like flight delays or if they change the location for your flight? >> >> >> Also, any airline better than others? >> >> And not blindness related, but what is the rule now a days for medicines? >> Do they still ban everyday objects in carry on bags such as scissors, nail >> clippers, and tweezers? >> Flying is a pain for anyone, but its more convenient than taking the >> train. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 Twitter http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 22:56:46 2011 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:56:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] This Is Your Invitation To Attend The Audio Access FM Christmas Party Message-ID: <776CDA5387C04548B78704A5B1C755BB@pc2011> You've Been Invited To Attend The Audio Access FM 12 Days Of Christmas Party!!! If you're receiving this invitation, then it means you've been invited to participate in the Audio Access FM 12 Days Of Christmas event, going from midnight December 13 2011 until midnight December 26 2011, with the pre game festivities taking place on the December 12 Djd Invasion starting at 8 PM eastern! During this event, there will be special programs, holiday music in the automation when no one is on the air, a chance to win prizes, and more. So how can you participate? There are several ways for you to do this: 1. Want to send a special holiday wish to that special someone? Maybe you have a Christmas song you'd love to perform and have heard on the station? Or maybe you just want to send best wishes to everyone. 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So there are many ways to be part of the party: Stop by The Djd Invasion Christmas party, submit a holiday greeting, do a special show for us, or help us give back! Either way, whatever you contribute will help to make this an exciting online party, so we hope to see you there! Again, if you have questions, send them to 12daysofchristmas at audioaccessfm.com >From David Dunphy, Audio Access FM Station Manager http://www.audioaccessfm.com From BJLejeune at colled.msstate.edu Mon Dec 12 23:50:34 2011 From: BJLejeune at colled.msstate.edu (B.J. LeJeune) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:50:34 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Internships for college students with visual impairments In-Reply-To: <776CDA5387C04548B78704A5B1C755BB@pc2011> References: <776CDA5387C04548B78704A5B1C755BB@pc2011> Message-ID: <4EE63EEA020000F0000349D1@mailhost.groupwise.msstate.edu> Thought someone might be interested in the summer internships available through the Federal Department of Transportation. The deadline is coming up fast and I am posting this on their behalf. If you have questions, please contact Elani Triantafell at eleni.triantafell at dot.gov . BJ LeJeune Mississippi State University Message: My agency will have a Summer Transportation Internship Program for Diverse Groups (STIPDG) in Summer of 2012 for college students in all majors. The web link is http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/education/stipdg.htm (See the web flyer) that you can share with the Disability community or to individuals with severe (targeted) disabilities to let them know of this exciting opportunity. It would be helpful if they could attach a Schedule A Eligibility letter to their resume. Application deadline is December 31, 2011. If you have questions, feel free to contact me via email at eleni.triantafell at dot.gov or phone (866) 769-2718. Thanks, Eleni Triantafell DOT/Federal Highway Administration Corporate Recruitment and Career Programs Division Office of Human Resources Washington, DC From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 02:29:04 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:29:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] [Blindtlk] for sale: Focus 80 refreshableBraille display Message-ID: <4ee6b878.83bfe00a.4b62.ffffa0d9@mx.google.com> ---- Original Message ------ From: "James" Unfortunately, they take your cane. > I don't know about the other stuff. > They do take you to the gate, if you don't have sighted assistance, > already with you. > Also, I wouldn't use the wheelchair. > Blessings, Joshua > On 12/12/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> I haven’t flown alone and don’t know when I will. But I wondered what the >> experience is like. >> For security, do they take your cane and then you walk through the metal >> detector without it? >> Has anyone experienced those body invasive body scanners? How long does that >> take? Do you have to step in something for it? >> I think those scanners violate our privacy, but that is another matter. >> So when do you request assistance? What do you do if they bring a >> wheelchair? Just not use it, probably. >> Do they take you to your gate? Also, how do you obtain info found on those >> screens like flight delays or if they change the location for your flight? >> Also, any airline better than others? >> And not blindness related, but what is the rule now a days for medicines? >> Do they still ban everyday objects in carry on bags such as scissors, nail >> clippers, and tweezers? >> Flying is a pain for anyone, but its more convenient than taking the train. >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Dec 13 03:23:33 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 22:23:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] navigating the airports In-Reply-To: 1659e7a5-87a9-484c-bf8a-c1508a6da4b2@samobile.net References: 1659e7a5-87a9-484c-bf8a-c1508a6da4b2@samobile.net Message-ID: <4B4F50E5C3A54964B992F4425EE8F770@OwnerPC> edi, Oh, the law says we can walk through the detector with the cane. Wich law is that in? Unfortunately some TSA agents have taken it and I walked through without it; they gave it back once I got through. I'd rather walk with the cane; as you said, the metal tip will not set off the detector. Only if you have the aluminum joints of a folding cane would that be a problem. I wish they would just scan the cane afterward. I'll insist I walk with it next time. Thanks for explaining the medicine and liquids. -----Original Message----- From: Jedi Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:50 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [nabs-l] navigating the airports Ashley, The amount of assistance you take or reject is really up to you. If you want someone to take you to your gate, you can arrange it. If you do not, indicate that clearly to the person who arranges your boarding pass as they'll often push assistance on you that you didn't request. when you go through security, the law says that you can walk with your cane through the detector if you like. Just keep the tip to the ground and don't touch the sides of the detector as you pass through. This works best with an NFB cane as it is not made of metal. Either before or after you walk through, let them scan it in their x-ray machine. They may raise a fuss when you try to get it back (that is, if you scan it first and walk through afterward). It's up to you whether or not you want to deal with this particular headache. As for me, I personally feel more oriented when I walk through with my cane after letting them scan it. 75% of the time, that's no problem. But those 25% really are a bugger. As to the wheelchair, don't take it if you don't want it. It's your right to choose, not theirs. As to medications, you can take pills on board and liquids or sprays with clear bottles carrying less than 3 ounces a piece. Put these in a quart-sized ziplock and be ready to show them to the TSA agents as you go through. I'd also carry the doctor's perscription just in case. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > Unfortunately, they take your cane. > I don't know about the other stuff. > They do take you to the gate, if you don't have sighted assistance, > already with you. > Also, I wouldn't use the wheelchair. > Blessings, Joshua > On 12/12/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, >> I haven’t flown alone and don’t know when I will. But I wondered what the >> experience is like. >> For security, do they take your cane and then you walk through the metal >> detector without it? >> Has anyone experienced those body invasive body scanners? How long does >> that >> take? Do you have to step in something for it? >> I think those scanners violate our privacy, but that is another matter. >> So when do you request assistance? What do you do if they bring a >> wheelchair? Just not use it, probably. >> Do they take you to your gate? Also, how do you obtain info found on >> those >> screens like flight delays or if they change the location for your >> flight? >> Also, any airline better than others? >> And not blindness related, but what is the rule now a days for medicines? >> Do they still ban everyday objects in carry on bags such as scissors, >> nail >> clippers, and tweezers? >> Flying is a pain for anyone, but its more convenient than taking the >> train. >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 03:23:52 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 20:23:52 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] navigating the airports In-Reply-To: <4ee6bde5.07b42a0a.125c.ffff999fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <4ee6bde5.07b42a0a.125c.ffff999fSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Ashley and all, Below is a post I wrote last year about flying, which I think covers most of the blindness issues. I added some to it to cover things I missed. Whether or not to get assistance is really a personal choice. I used to do it all the time, and now only do it about 5% of the time. There's certainly nothing wrong with it, but if you're not in a hurry, it's relatively easy to find where you are going without it. Best, Arielle Regarding flying: I would say, first of all, don't worry about it too much. There are blind people who fly by themselves all the time. Some of us fly internationally by ourselves, and we often move smoothly through layovers, baggage claim, security, and the other surprises airlines sometimes like to throw at us. Some blind people use assistance, some of us don't, and some of us use assistance only if we're in a hurry or have a lot of baggage. In other words, there's no one way to navigate the airport as a blind person. I flew by myself to NFB convention for the first time when I was 18, too. I was very nervous, and used assistance for the whole trip. Now I fly very often-on average, about once every 1-2 months-and I don't think much of it. By all means, if you want to, go ahead and ask for an escort when you check in for your flight, and walk with the escort through security to your gate. There's no need to call ahead-just ask when you check in, if they don't offer first. Keep in mind, they are legally required not to force you into a wheelchair or to take any kind of assistance you don't want-so be assertive and cite the Air Carrier Access Act if you have to. (I only had to do that once and it shut them up real fast)! But, since you mentioned in your email that you are good at improvising and want to make this more of a challenge, then perhaps you might think about doing part of your trip without assistance, by walking around the airport on your own. Many of us are afraid to walk around in airports by ourselves, but really I have found that an airport is one of the easiest, safest places to explore. There are lots of people around to ask for information, and everything is indoors, so there's only so far you will go if you get turned around. Instead of walking with an escort, you might try just asking the person who checks you in, "Which direction is security?" Then walk in the direction they tell you, and double-check with someone else walking by to see if you are going the right way. Once you get past security, there will be central food court areas, which you will notice because of their distinctive sounds and smells. In most airports the gates are on carpet, and the gate area will sound more enclosed and will probably have some kind of TV or radio playing. Gates tend to go in numerical order, so you can ask someone sitting at one of the gates, "What gate number is this?" and then ask them, "Which direction is it to gate [gate number]?" Then you can count gates, or walk down a few gates and then ask again what gate number you are at. When it's time to board-just follow the line, everyone is going the same direction. It might take asking a few initial questions or listening for the "ding" of the boarding-pass checker that's behind the podium to find the line, but once you're in it, you can simply follow everyone else up to the gate and down the jetway. You can find your row by counting. Important thing-whether or not you use assistance, you should absolutely know your gate number, and what seat you're in on the plane. In my experience, if flight info changes in any significant way (gate location or departure time) this change is announced out loud over the PA system. So I usually just ask for the gate number once and if I don't hear any announcements, I assume it's the right one. You can always double-check by asking the person next to you at the gate what the destination is, or going up and asking the gate agent at the podium. Baggage claim is another thing you can just follow the crowd for. The vast majority of people getting off a flight will be heading that way, and signage for the baggage area is prominent, so people will be able to give you good information to find it. If you check bags, there are things you can buy-luggage locators, for example-that you can use to find your bag. However, for me the simplest solution has been to simply know what my bag feels like, and to put a distinctive tactile/colorful ribbon on the bag. Sometimes fellow passengers or volunteers will offer to keep an eye out for my bag and at times they will spy it before I can find it by touch. But, I have always successfully found my suitcase by touching all the bags that go by. It weirds people out, but it works. Of course, navigating the airport without assistance might take a little longer, especially at first. But if you have the extra time, it's a good way to learn more about the airport layout, and to boost your confidence. I also like it because I don't have to stand around waiting for an assistant, and because I'm free to go wherever I feel like going without feeling like someone is watching or babysitting me. If you want to try it for the first time, you might think about having the assistant show you through security, but then finding your gate on your own, or going with the assistant in Indianapolis but then going it on your own from gate to gate in Chicago. (Actually, the first airport I traveled in without assistance was the Chicago-Midway airport on my way to an NFB Washington Seminar. I had a long layover, decided to kill some time exploring the airport, and that's when I realized how easy it really can be). I'm so glad that you'll be going to the BLIND, Inc. prep program this summer. During this program all of you will fly to Orlando together, and will learn lots about airport travel. Good luck and definitely feel free to ask any other questions you may have. Arielle On 12/12/11, Jedi wrote: > Ashley, > > The amount of assistance you take or reject is really up to you. If you > want someone to take you to your gate, you can arrange it. If you do > not, indicate that clearly to the person who arranges your boarding > pass as they'll often push assistance on you that you didn't request. > > when you go through security, the law says that you can walk with your > cane through the detector if you like. Just keep the tip to the ground > and don't touch the sides of the detector as you pass through. This > works best with an NFB cane as it is not made of metal. Either before > or after you walk through, let them scan it in their x-ray machine. > They may raise a fuss when you try to get it back (that is, if you scan > it first and walk through afterward). It's up to you whether or not you > want to deal with this particular headache. As for me, I personally > feel more oriented when I walk through with my cane after letting them > scan it. 75% of the time, that's no problem. But those 25% really are a > bugger. As to the wheelchair, don't take it if you don't want it. It's > your right to choose, not theirs. > > As to medications, you can take pills on board and liquids or sprays > with clear bottles carrying less than 3 ounces a piece. Put these in a > quart-sized ziplock and be ready to show them to the TSA agents as you > go through. I'd also carry the doctor's perscription just in case. > > Respectfully, > Jedi > Original message: >> Unfortunately, they take your cane. >> I don't know about the other stuff. >> They do take you to the gate, if you don't have sighted assistance, >> already with you. >> Also, I wouldn't use the wheelchair. >> Blessings, Joshua > > >> On 12/12/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi all, > >>> I haven’t flown alone and don’t know when I will. But I wondered what the >>> experience is like. >>> For security, do they take your cane and then you walk through the metal >>> detector without it? >>> Has anyone experienced those body invasive body scanners? How long does >>> that >>> take? Do you have to step in something for it? >>> I think those scanners violate our privacy, but that is another matter. > >>> So when do you request assistance? What do you do if they bring a >>> wheelchair? Just not use it, probably. >>> Do they take you to your gate? Also, how do you obtain info found on >>> those >>> screens like flight delays or if they change the location for your >>> flight? > > >>> Also, any airline better than others? > >>> And not blindness related, but what is the rule now a days for medicines? >>> Do they still ban everyday objects in carry on bags such as scissors, >>> nail >>> clippers, and tweezers? >>> Flying is a pain for anyone, but its more convenient than taking the >>> train. > >>> Thanks. > >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Tue Dec 13 04:43:20 2011 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 23:43:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] navigating the airports Message-ID: 7990f1a2-6219-401e-a828-76bc2d638a96@samobile.net I can't remember the exact law, but the rules are listed on their web site. They don't mention straight canes specifically, but application of the folding cane rules make it clear that, after scanning the cane, one can certainly walk through the detector with it. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > edi, > Oh, the law says we can walk through the detector with the cane. > Wich law is that in? Unfortunately some TSA agents have taken it and I > walked through without it; they gave it back once I got through. > I'd rather walk with the cane; as you said, the metal tip will not set off > the detector. Only if you have the aluminum joints of a folding cane would > that be a problem. I wish they would just scan the cane afterward. > I'll insist I walk with it next time. > Thanks for explaining the medicine and liquids. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jedi > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:50 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] navigating the airports > Ashley, > The amount of assistance you take or reject is really up to you. If you > want someone to take you to your gate, you can arrange it. If you do > not, indicate that clearly to the person who arranges your boarding > pass as they'll often push assistance on you that you didn't request. > when you go through security, the law says that you can walk with your > cane through the detector if you like. Just keep the tip to the ground > and don't touch the sides of the detector as you pass through. This > works best with an NFB cane as it is not made of metal. Either before > or after you walk through, let them scan it in their x-ray machine. > They may raise a fuss when you try to get it back (that is, if you scan > it first and walk through afterward). It's up to you whether or not you > want to deal with this particular headache. As for me, I personally > feel more oriented when I walk through with my cane after letting them > scan it. 75% of the time, that's no problem. But those 25% really are a > bugger. As to the wheelchair, don't take it if you don't want it. It's > your right to choose, not theirs. > As to medications, you can take pills on board and liquids or sprays > with clear bottles carrying less than 3 ounces a piece. Put these in a > quart-sized ziplock and be ready to show them to the TSA agents as you > go through. I'd also carry the doctor's perscription just in case. > Respectfully, > Jedi > Original message: >> Unfortunately, they take your cane. >> I don't know about the other stuff. >> They do take you to the gate, if you don't have sighted assistance, >> already with you. >> Also, I wouldn't use the wheelchair. >> Blessings, Joshua >> On 12/12/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> I haven’t flown alone and don’t know when I will. But I wondered what the >>> experience is like. >>> For security, do they take your cane and then you walk through the metal >>> detector without it? >>> Has anyone experienced those body invasive body scanners? How long does >>> that >>> take? Do you have to step in something for it? >>> I think those scanners violate our privacy, but that is another matter. >>> So when do you request assistance? What do you do if they bring a >>> wheelchair? Just not use it, probably. >>> Do they take you to your gate? Also, how do you obtain info found on >>> those >>> screens like flight delays or if they change the location for your >>> flight? >>> Also, any airline better than others? >>> And not blindness related, but what is the rule now a days for medicines? >>> Do they still ban everyday objects in carry on bags such as scissors, >>> nail >>> clippers, and tweezers? >>> Flying is a pain for anyone, but its more convenient than taking the >>> train. >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 06:46:01 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 01:46:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] navigating the airports In-Reply-To: <4ee6d80b.07b42a0a.21cc.ffffca31SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <4ee6d80b.07b42a0a.21cc.ffffca31SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I am applying for a guide dog and I hope I can go in June. I am going to do as much as I can on my own. I am exited to try it out. I hardly get to fly, but that will change soon. I am also going to move to a larger city and I will have more of an opertunity to fly about to visit friends and family, as long as I have the money. On 12/12/11, Jedi wrote: > I can't remember the exact law, but the rules are listed on their web > site. They don't mention straight canes specifically, but application > of the folding cane rules make it clear that, after scanning the cane, > one can certainly walk through the detector with it. > > Respectfully, > Jedi > > > Original message: >> edi, >> Oh, the law says we can walk through the detector with the cane. >> Wich law is that in? Unfortunately some TSA agents have taken it and I >> walked through without it; they gave it back once I got through. >> I'd rather walk with the cane; as you said, the metal tip will not set off >> the detector. Only if you have the aluminum joints of a folding cane >> would >> that be a problem. I wish they would just scan the cane afterward. >> I'll insist I walk with it next time. > >> Thanks for explaining the medicine and liquids. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jedi >> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 9:50 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] navigating the airports > >> Ashley, > >> The amount of assistance you take or reject is really up to you. If you >> want someone to take you to your gate, you can arrange it. If you do >> not, indicate that clearly to the person who arranges your boarding >> pass as they'll often push assistance on you that you didn't request. > >> when you go through security, the law says that you can walk with your >> cane through the detector if you like. Just keep the tip to the ground >> and don't touch the sides of the detector as you pass through. This >> works best with an NFB cane as it is not made of metal. Either before >> or after you walk through, let them scan it in their x-ray machine. >> They may raise a fuss when you try to get it back (that is, if you scan >> it first and walk through afterward). It's up to you whether or not you >> want to deal with this particular headache. As for me, I personally >> feel more oriented when I walk through with my cane after letting them >> scan it. 75% of the time, that's no problem. But those 25% really are a >> bugger. As to the wheelchair, don't take it if you don't want it. It's >> your right to choose, not theirs. > >> As to medications, you can take pills on board and liquids or sprays >> with clear bottles carrying less than 3 ounces a piece. Put these in a >> quart-sized ziplock and be ready to show them to the TSA agents as you >> go through. I'd also carry the doctor's perscription just in case. > >> Respectfully, >> Jedi >> Original message: >>> Unfortunately, they take your cane. >>> I don't know about the other stuff. >>> They do take you to the gate, if you don't have sighted assistance, >>> already with you. >>> Also, I wouldn't use the wheelchair. >>> Blessings, Joshua > > >>> On 12/12/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> Hi all, > >>>> I haven’t flown alone and don’t know when I will. But I wondered what >>>> the >>>> experience is like. >>>> For security, do they take your cane and then you walk through the metal >>>> detector without it? >>>> Has anyone experienced those body invasive body scanners? How long does >>>> that >>>> take? Do you have to step in something for it? >>>> I think those scanners violate our privacy, but that is another matter. > >>>> So when do you request assistance? What do you do if they bring a >>>> wheelchair? Just not use it, probably. >>>> Do they take you to your gate? Also, how do you obtain info found on >>>> those >>>> screens like flight delays or if they change the location for your >>>> flight? > > >>>> Also, any airline better than others? > >>>> And not blindness related, but what is the rule now a days for >>>> medicines? >>>> Do they still ban everyday objects in carry on bags such as scissors, >>>> nail >>>> clippers, and tweezers? >>>> Flying is a pain for anyone, but its more convenient than taking the >>>> train. > >>>> Thanks. > >>>> Ashley >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 Twitter http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 From jmatte28 at comcast.net Tue Dec 13 21:50:44 2011 From: jmatte28 at comcast.net (jonathan matte) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:50:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] just wanted to introduce myself to the list Message-ID: <4C085E46905F4985B5B18FFC81E1D3A5@jmatte2> Hi there everyone. My name is Jonathan but most of my friends call me Jon. Before I briefly introduce myself to the list I need to start this off by saying that I normally don’t tend to subscribe myself to blindness related lists but I thought that this might be a good opportunity to try and get to know some new people. Some of the folks on this list may actually know who I am from my zone BBS user idee which is Musicman2003 but briefly a little bit about me. I’m 29 years of age and from Massachusetts a city called Brockton located about 45 minutes south of Boston. I’m about 5 9, have brown hair, hazel colored eyes, and weigh about 250 lbs. I have a wide range of hobbies some of which include reading, listening to all types of music, talking online and on the phone, going out to dinner, sometimes to the movies, and browsing around in book and music stores to name only a few. I am currently single and do not have any kids though like many people out their I’m always on the lookout for the right person when they come along. I enjoy talking to all types of people so if any of what I said interests anyone in any way feel free to contact me off list and say hi. There are a couple of ways I can be contacted my email address is jmatte28 at comcast.net or if you have skype your welcome to ad me if you like. My skype idee is jmatte02301 Take care and hope to hear from some new people soon. From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Dec 13 22:25:39 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:25:39 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] just wanted to introduce myself to the list In-Reply-To: <4C085E46905F4985B5B18FFC81E1D3A5@jmatte2> References: <4C085E46905F4985B5B18FFC81E1D3A5@jmatte2> Message-ID: Jonathan, are you in college? This is a list for blind students. Welcome to the list. Blessings, Joshua On 12/13/11, jonathan matte wrote: > Hi there everyone. > My name is Jonathan but most of my friends call me Jon. > Before I briefly introduce myself to the list I need to start this off by > saying that I normally don’t tend to subscribe myself to blindness related > lists but I thought that this might be a good opportunity to try and get to > know some new people. > Some of the folks on this list may actually know who I am from my zone BBS > user idee which is Musicman2003 > but briefly a little bit about me. > I’m 29 years of age and from Massachusetts a city called Brockton located > about 45 minutes south of Boston. > I’m about 5 9, have brown hair, hazel colored eyes, and weigh about 250 lbs. > I have a wide range of hobbies some of which include reading, listening to > all types of music, talking online and on the phone, going out to dinner, > sometimes to the movies, and browsing around in book and music stores to > name only a few. > I am currently single and do not have any kids though like many people out > their I’m always on the lookout for the right person when they come along. > I enjoy talking to all types of people so if any of what I said interests > anyone in any way feel free to contact me off list and say hi. > There are a couple of ways I can be contacted > my email address is > > jmatte28 at comcast.net > > or if you have skype your welcome to ad me if you like. > My skype idee is > jmatte02301 > > Take care and hope to hear from some new people soon. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From iperrault at hotmail.com Tue Dec 13 23:29:41 2011 From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:29:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Experiences Message-ID: Hi I’m wondering if any of you could give me your experiences if you’ve attended a Washington Seminar? I may go for the first time this year and am wondering what happens, what it’s like, and if it has helped us as blind people get equal access to stuff. Ian From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 23:31:05 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 15:31:05 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer Accessible Message-ID: <606DB49021B84B3AAB34E3AEE5606A0E@HUMBERTOAVILA> I am bringing this to your attention as it looks like this change occurred just today. Please read on. This company is facing another possible lawsuit. -----Original Message----- From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:13 AM To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org Subject: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer Accessible Hi list. Has anyone else noticed that you can no longer change your search preferences on the Google Search Settings page? The radio boxes previously used to select a particular option under each heading seem to have vanished. For instance, under the Google Instant heading, On and Off are listed, but there are no radio or check boxes to select the option you want. And under the Number of Search Results Per Page heading, the numbers 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 and 100 are listed, but there seems to be no way to select the number you want. And nothing happens when you hit Space or Enter on the Save button, so there is apparently no way to activate it to save your preferences like you could before. I have tried JAWS 9, NVDA and SA to Go with both IE 8 and Firefox, but can't select anything on the Search Settings page no matter what screen reader/browser combination I try. Has Google suddenly made its Search Settings page inaccessible, and is there any work around for this problem? Google seems to be becoming less and less accessible every day. Maybe the NFB should look into this issue. Thanks for any feedback. Gerald _______________________________________________ gui-talk mailing list gui-talk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for gui-talk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%4 0gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Dec 13 23:47:50 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:47:50 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer Accessible In-Reply-To: <606DB49021B84B3AAB34E3AEE5606A0E@HUMBERTOAVILA> References: <606DB49021B84B3AAB34E3AEE5606A0E@HUMBERTOAVILA> Message-ID: It is accessible. It says, "Screenreader users, click here." Blessings, Joshua On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > I am bringing this to your attention as it looks like this change occurred > just today. Please read on. This company is facing another possible lawsuit. > > -----Original Message----- > From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Gerald Levy > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:13 AM > To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org > Subject: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer Accessible > > > Hi list. Has anyone else noticed that you can no longer change your search > preferences on the Google Search Settings page? The radio boxes previously > used to select a particular option under each heading seem to have vanished. > For instance, under the Google Instant heading, On and Off are listed, but > there are no radio or check boxes to select the option you want. And under > the Number of Search Results Per Page heading, the numbers 10, 20, 30, 40, > 50 and 100 are listed, but there seems to be no way to select the number you > want. And nothing happens when you hit Space or Enter on the Save button, > so there is apparently no way to activate it to save your preferences like > you could before. I have tried JAWS 9, NVDA and SA to Go with both IE 8 and > Firefox, but can't select anything on the Search Settings page no matter > what screen reader/browser combination I try. Has Google suddenly made its > Search Settings page inaccessible, and is there any work around for this > problem? Google seems to be becoming less and less accessible every day. > Maybe the NFB should look into this issue. Thanks for any feedback. > > Gerald > > _______________________________________________ > gui-talk mailing list > gui-talk at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > gui-talk: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 23:55:07 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 15:55:07 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No LongerAccessible In-Reply-To: References: <606DB49021B84B3AAB34E3AEE5606A0E@HUMBERTOAVILA> Message-ID: <6E99C4AAF52D4363876E49A2F06B9D7F@HUMBERTOAVILA> Hello Joshua, I just looked at this myself and, to my knowledge, they are using sliders that you can slide with a mouse instead of combo boxes, checkboxes and radio buttons. These sliders, of course, are not accessible with JAWS and NVDA. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:48 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No LongerAccessible It is accessible. It says, "Screenreader users, click here." Blessings, Joshua On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > I am bringing this to your attention as it looks like this change occurred > just today. Please read on. This company is facing another possible lawsuit. > > -----Original Message----- > From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Gerald Levy > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:13 AM > To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org > Subject: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer Accessible > > > Hi list. Has anyone else noticed that you can no longer change your search > preferences on the Google Search Settings page? The radio boxes previously > used to select a particular option under each heading seem to have vanished. > For instance, under the Google Instant heading, On and Off are listed, but > there are no radio or check boxes to select the option you want. And under > the Number of Search Results Per Page heading, the numbers 10, 20, 30, 40, > 50 and 100 are listed, but there seems to be no way to select the number you > want. And nothing happens when you hit Space or Enter on the Save button, > so there is apparently no way to activate it to save your preferences like > you could before. I have tried JAWS 9, NVDA and SA to Go with both IE 8 and > Firefox, but can't select anything on the Search Settings page no matter > what screen reader/browser combination I try. Has Google suddenly made its > Search Settings page inaccessible, and is there any work around for this > problem? Google seems to be becoming less and less accessible every day. > Maybe the NFB should look into this issue. Thanks for any feedback. > > Gerald > > _______________________________________________ > gui-talk mailing list > gui-talk at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > gui-talk: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From mworkman.lists at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 23:57:46 2011 From: mworkman.lists at gmail.com (Marc Workman) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 15:57:46 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer Accessible In-Reply-To: References: <606DB49021B84B3AAB34E3AEE5606A0E@HUMBERTOAVILA> Message-ID: <5B81D583-1CEF-4B09-8EF2-7EC9B7D4A254@gmail.com> Joshua, The initial email was talking about the google search settings page. You are talking about the main google search page. These are not the same. I haven't tried the search settings page myself, but enough people on the other list have confirmed this that I have no doubt that it is no longer accessible. Personally, I don't believe I've ever changed the settings myself, but I do not like that google has taken away our ability to do so. My guess is that it will be fixed fairly soon, and a law suit or threat of one will not be necessary. Marc On 2011-12-13, at 3:47 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > It is accessible. > It says, "Screenreader users, click here." > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >> I am bringing this to your attention as it looks like this change occurred >> just today. Please read on. This company is facing another possible lawsuit. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:13 AM >> To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer Accessible >> >> >> Hi list. Has anyone else noticed that you can no longer change your search >> preferences on the Google Search Settings page? The radio boxes previously >> used to select a particular option under each heading seem to have vanished. >> For instance, under the Google Instant heading, On and Off are listed, but >> there are no radio or check boxes to select the option you want. And under >> the Number of Search Results Per Page heading, the numbers 10, 20, 30, 40, >> 50 and 100 are listed, but there seems to be no way to select the number you >> want. And nothing happens when you hit Space or Enter on the Save button, >> so there is apparently no way to activate it to save your preferences like >> you could before. I have tried JAWS 9, NVDA and SA to Go with both IE 8 and >> Firefox, but can't select anything on the Search Settings page no matter >> what screen reader/browser combination I try. Has Google suddenly made its >> Search Settings page inaccessible, and is there any work around for this >> problem? Google seems to be becoming less and less accessible every day. >> Maybe the NFB should look into this issue. Thanks for any feedback. >> >> Gerald >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gui-talk mailing list >> gui-talk at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> gui-talk: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%4 >> 0gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Dec 13 23:59:20 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:59:20 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No LongerAccessible In-Reply-To: <6E99C4AAF52D4363876E49A2F06B9D7F@HUMBERTOAVILA> References: <606DB49021B84B3AAB34E3AEE5606A0E@HUMBERTOAVILA> <6E99C4AAF52D4363876E49A2F06B9D7F@HUMBERTOAVILA> Message-ID: I haven't had any problems doing searches. Navigating other parts of the site, may be a problem. Even GMail's audio Captcha is inaccessible. It won't play. Google has a long way to go, as far as accessibility is concerned. Blessings, Joshua On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > Hello Joshua, > > I just looked at this myself and, to my knowledge, they are using sliders > that you can slide with a mouse instead of combo boxes, checkboxes and radio > buttons. These sliders, of course, are not accessible with JAWS and NVDA. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:48 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No > LongerAccessible > > It is accessible. > It says, "Screenreader users, click here." > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >> I am bringing this to your attention as it looks like this change occurred >> just today. Please read on. This company is facing another possible > lawsuit. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:13 AM >> To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer Accessible >> >> >> Hi list. Has anyone else noticed that you can no longer change your > search >> preferences on the Google Search Settings page? The radio boxes > previously >> used to select a particular option under each heading seem to have > vanished. >> For instance, under the Google Instant heading, On and Off are listed, but >> there are no radio or check boxes to select the option you want. And > under >> the Number of Search Results Per Page heading, the numbers 10, 20, 30, 40, >> 50 and 100 are listed, but there seems to be no way to select the number > you >> want. And nothing happens when you hit Space or Enter on the Save button, >> so there is apparently no way to activate it to save your preferences like >> you could before. I have tried JAWS 9, NVDA and SA to Go with both IE 8 > and >> Firefox, but can't select anything on the Search Settings page no matter >> what screen reader/browser combination I try. Has Google suddenly made > its >> Search Settings page inaccessible, and is there any work around for this >> problem? Google seems to be becoming less and less accessible every day. >> Maybe the NFB should look into this issue. Thanks for any feedback. >> >> Gerald >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gui-talk mailing list >> gui-talk at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> gui-talk: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%4 >> 0gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Dec 14 00:01:58 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:01:58 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer Accessible In-Reply-To: <5B81D583-1CEF-4B09-8EF2-7EC9B7D4A254@gmail.com> References: <606DB49021B84B3AAB34E3AEE5606A0E@HUMBERTOAVILA> <5B81D583-1CEF-4B09-8EF2-7EC9B7D4A254@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for clarifying. Like I said, in the previous reply, Google has a long way to go, as far as accessibility is concerned. I've been introduced to a new search engine, and I like it. Anyone ever use Dogpile? Blessings, Joshua On 12/13/11, Marc Workman wrote: > Joshua, > > The initial email was talking about the google search settings page. You > are talking about the main google search page. These are not the same. I > haven't tried the search settings page myself, but enough people on the > other list have confirmed this that I have no doubt that it is no longer > accessible. Personally, I don't believe I've ever changed the settings > myself, but I do not like that google has taken away our ability to do so. > My guess is that it will be fixed fairly soon, and a law suit or threat of > one will not be necessary. > > Marc > On 2011-12-13, at 3:47 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> It is accessible. >> It says, "Screenreader users, click here." >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>> I am bringing this to your attention as it looks like this change >>> occurred >>> just today. Please read on. This company is facing another possible >>> lawsuit. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:13 AM >>> To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer Accessible >>> >>> >>> Hi list. Has anyone else noticed that you can no longer change your >>> search >>> preferences on the Google Search Settings page? The radio boxes >>> previously >>> used to select a particular option under each heading seem to have >>> vanished. >>> For instance, under the Google Instant heading, On and Off are listed, >>> but >>> there are no radio or check boxes to select the option you want. And >>> under >>> the Number of Search Results Per Page heading, the numbers 10, 20, 30, >>> 40, >>> 50 and 100 are listed, but there seems to be no way to select the number >>> you >>> want. And nothing happens when you hit Space or Enter on the Save >>> button, >>> so there is apparently no way to activate it to save your preferences >>> like >>> you could before. I have tried JAWS 9, NVDA and SA to Go with both IE 8 >>> and >>> Firefox, but can't select anything on the Search Settings page no matter >>> what screen reader/browser combination I try. Has Google suddenly made >>> its >>> Search Settings page inaccessible, and is there any work around for this >>> problem? Google seems to be becoming less and less accessible every day. >>> Maybe the NFB should look into this issue. Thanks for any feedback. >>> >>> Gerald >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gui-talk mailing list >>> gui-talk at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> gui-talk: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%4 >>> 0gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.lists%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 01:23:47 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:23:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Dolphin Supernova HAL screen reader Message-ID: <4ee7faad.c2c3e00a.15e6.43ff@mx.google.com> HAL is also a screen reader. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" Hi Phil, There is a podcast that I would recommend from David Tanner on the Dolphin screen readers. It was on Main Menu, although I can't remember which shows it was on. You'll find it in the show descriptions on mainmenu.acbradio.org. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Philip S Yay!!!!! Thank you!! The site looks great! Maybe I didn't look hard enough, but do you have the business meeting from convention? Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dunphy" From David _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 02:34:45 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:34:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] This Is Your Invitation To Attend The Audio Access FMChristmas Party Message-ID: <4ee80b4f.c7c5e00a.52e4.4f24@mx.google.com> Hey David, How do you leave a Christmas greeting on the MyTeleSpace number? When I hit option 2, it asks me for my user ID, and I don't have a MyTelespace account. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dunphy" , "Discussion list for NABS,National Alliance of Blind Students." From David Dunphy, Audio Access FM Station Manager http://www.audioaccessfm.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 02:34:47 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:34:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille-It Labeler brings low-cost printing, 'sightless construction' to the blind Message-ID: <4ee80b50.c7c5e00a.52e4.4f25@mx.google.com> Here is the article about the BrailleIt Labeler. I got an email with the link the other day, which I forwarded to the list, but I couldn't find the article, and asked my cousin who sent it to me to send the text of the article. Here it is. ---- Original Message ------ From: Mathew Orzechowski <42morzo at gmail.com Subject: Re: Braille-It Labeler brings low-cost printing, 'sightless construction' to the blind Date sent: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 17:01:55 -0600 Braille-It Labeler brings low-cost printing, 'sightless construction' to the blind By Amar Toor posted Dec 1st 2011 5:31PM It's certainly not the first Braille label printer we've seen, but Ted Moallem's Braille-It Labeler does bring notably unique element to the table -- namely, "sightless construction." Presented at this year's A Better World by Design conference, this compact device allows blind or visually impaired users to print out adhesive labels in Braille, thanks to a simple six-button design that's compatible with any Braille alphabet. Made out of relatively common materials like aluminum and steel wire, the Braille-It can also be constructed by the blind themselves -- a potentially groundbreaking development for a demographic that's too often ignored by the retail sector. Moallem, a former MIT grad student, explains: Blind people cannot depend on mainstream commercial forces to advance the cause of Braille literacy. Nearly two centuries after the invention of Braille by a blind adolescent boy, the most widely used Braille-writing tools, the slate and stylus, are quite similar to the tools used by Louis Braille himself. In the hands of the sighted, the low-cost Braille industry has stagnated. The inventor tested his label maker at a workshop last year in Katpadi, India, where blind trainees successfully taught other visually impaired users how to create their very own Braille-It. Moallem is now looking to set up similar workshops across other locations, including Senegal, Liberia and Lebanon. The ultimate goal is to empower blind consumers to create their own low-cost and potentially life-saving tools -- particularly in developing countries, which account for an estimated 90 percent of the world's blind population. If successful, Moallem's invention and ensuing campaign could provide a remarkably simple solution for a large, yet often neglected population. We certainly wish him the best of luck. Find out more at the source link below, or check out Inhabitat's extensive coverage for more images and insight. On Dec 11, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: I wasn't able to find the article on the page with my BrailleNote. Can you just send me the text of the article? I might be able to find it on the computer, though; the BrailleNote took me to the mobile site. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mathew Orzechowski <42morzo at gmail.com To: Christopher Nusbaum ,Wendy Nusbaum References: Message-ID: Ian: I am happy to talk about my Washington Seminar experiences, because this year will be my 5th, and it is my favorite NFB event. I hope you can come to seminar on Saturday, Feb. 4, because on Sunday, Feb. 5, there will be a NABS seminar, and it will be a great networking opportunity for you to have with students from all over the country. Monday is a lighter day. There are no legislative appointments this day since several congressmen are not in their offices on Mondays. However, I believe NABS will have some vendors available to speak with, and some other divisions might have meetings. Several people use Monday as a day to do fun things around D.C. Monday evening however is the great gathering in when everyone assembles, and the legislative issues for the years as well as other NFB current happenings are discussed. Typically, about 500 NFB members attend Washington seminar. So, it is definitely smaller than a national convention, but I have found that the participants are energetic people who care about proactively improving the lives of blind people. Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday are appointment days which I will explain below. Basically, someone from your state will make appointments with all of your state's congressmen. The NFB will release 3 legislative issues which we talk to our legislators about during these appointments. Typically, states will divide into groups of 3 people or so and attend these appointments. So, you won't meet with all of your congressmen, but some, and probably the congressman who represents the area in which you live. The appointments are not long. In my experience, each group member has versed themselves especially well on one issue and discusses their issue with the legislator or a legislative assistant. States do things differently though, but you'll want to discuss your issues and then leave. As people from your state attend seminars repeatedly, relationships can build between NFB members and legislative offices. Although it is more common to meet with a legislative assistant than the congressman, building relationships with these employees can build the influence you have with the legislator. So, to answer your question about whether seminar makes a difference shortly, yes. Some examples I can think of are the Louis Braille coin initiative which was advocated for at Washington Seminar and passed, and a lot of money was raised for braille literacy. Also, the Pedestrian Safety Enhancement Act which passed just last year was a seminar issue for a few years. Some issues take years to pass, but our presence in D.C. does make a difference. This does not downplay the integral part everyone can play by emailing and calling their congressmens' offices, but there is something about actually visiting that alerts congressmen and lets them know that you are serious about the changes you want to see in government. I hope that you receive the opportunity to go, and that other students shed light on their experiences. Mine have been overwhelmingly positive, but Washington Seminar is not for everyone. It is a bit expensive, so I feel that it has to be something that is important for you to go, but giving it a try to see if it is something that is important to you is a good idea. Cindy On 12/13/11, Ian Perrault wrote: > Hi > I’m wondering if any of you could give me your experiences if you’ve > attended a Washington Seminar? I may go for the first time this year and am > wondering what happens, what it’s like, and if it has helped us as blind > people get equal access to stuff. > Ian > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Dec 14 16:17:00 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:17:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] just wanted to introduce myself to the list In-Reply-To: <4C085E46905F4985B5B18FFC81E1D3A5@jmatte2> References: <4C085E46905F4985B5B18FFC81E1D3A5@jmatte2> Message-ID: <79AE8920568E4F6A83CADA729D367CFF@OwnerPC> Jonathan, This is a list of mainly students and you didn't mention you made it to college. I hope you will try it at a community college. I've seen you before; you've been off and on lists. Well, as you may remember I'm Ashley and I finished my BA at marymount university and I'm continuing education at nova, a community college next spring taking writing classes. I enjoy reading, writing, listening to music and talking with friends and exercising. -----Original Message----- From: jonathan matte Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:50 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] just wanted to introduce myself to the list Hi there everyone. My name is Jonathan but most of my friends call me Jon. Before I briefly introduce myself to the list I need to start this off by saying that I normally don’t tend to subscribe myself to blindness related lists but I thought that this might be a good opportunity to try and get to know some new people. Some of the folks on this list may actually know who I am from my zone BBS user idee which is Musicman2003 but briefly a little bit about me. I’m 29 years of age and from Massachusetts a city called Brockton located about 45 minutes south of Boston. I’m about 5 9, have brown hair, hazel colored eyes, and weigh about 250 lbs. I have a wide range of hobbies some of which include reading, listening to all types of music, talking online and on the phone, going out to dinner, sometimes to the movies, and browsing around in book and music stores to name only a few. I am currently single and do not have any kids though like many people out their I’m always on the lookout for the right person when they come along. I enjoy talking to all types of people so if any of what I said interests anyone in any way feel free to contact me off list and say hi. There are a couple of ways I can be contacted my email address is jmatte28 at comcast.net or if you have skype your welcome to ad me if you like. My skype idee is jmatte02301 Take care and hope to hear from some new people soon. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Dec 14 16:22:28 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:22:28 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] just wanted to introduce myself to the list In-Reply-To: <79AE8920568E4F6A83CADA729D367CFF@OwnerPC> References: <4C085E46905F4985B5B18FFC81E1D3A5@jmatte2> <79AE8920568E4F6A83CADA729D367CFF@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I found out, something else about him. He works for Audio Access FM, (David Dunphy's station.) His show is pretty good, BTW. I listened to the archive. Blessings, Joshua On 12/14/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Jonathan, > This is a list of mainly students and you didn't mention you made it to > college. I hope you will try it at a community college. > I've seen you before; you've been off and on lists. Well, as you may > remember I'm Ashley and > I finished my BA at marymount university and I'm continuing education at > nova, a community college next spring taking writing classes. > > I enjoy reading, writing, listening to music and talking with friends and > exercising. > > -----Original Message----- > From: jonathan matte > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 4:50 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] just wanted to introduce myself to the list > > Hi there everyone. > My name is Jonathan but most of my friends call me Jon. > Before I briefly introduce myself to the list I need to start this off by > saying that I normally don’t tend to subscribe myself to blindness related > lists but I thought that this might be a good opportunity to try and get to > know some new people. > Some of the folks on this list may actually know who I am from my zone BBS > user idee which is Musicman2003 > but briefly a little bit about me. > I’m 29 years of age and from Massachusetts a city called Brockton located > about 45 minutes south of Boston. > I’m about 5 9, have brown hair, hazel colored eyes, and weigh about 250 lbs. > I have a wide range of hobbies some of which include reading, listening to > all types of music, talking online and on the phone, going out to dinner, > sometimes to the movies, and browsing around in book and music stores to > name only a few. > I am currently single and do not have any kids though like many people out > their I’m always on the lookout for the right person when they come along. > I enjoy talking to all types of people so if any of what I said interests > anyone in any way feel free to contact me off list and say hi. > There are a couple of ways I can be contacted > my email address is > > jmatte28 at comcast.net > > or if you have skype your welcome to ad me if you like. > My skype idee is > jmatte02301 > > Take care and hope to hear from some new people soon. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 19:17:18 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:17:18 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] National Association of Blind Students Membership call: Home for the holidays. Message-ID: Home For The Holidays Do you have concerns about addressing your blindness with family and friends? Are you wondering about how to approach them about your independence? Joine us on communicating with your family and friends about, blindness, independence, and positive attitudes. When: December  18, 2011 at 7pm Eastern Call: 712-755-7100 Pass code: 257963 NABS hopes to see you there. -- Darian Smith "To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the formula for a life well lived." - Dr. Peter Benson From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 19:37:24 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:37:24 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] *for High School Students* Nabs Highschool committee presents: Of Blindness and Federation Philosiphy Message-ID: To all High School Students Are you new to the NFB, or have you been a member for a while? Do you want to learn more about the positive philosophy of blindness that we in the National Federation of the Blind believe in? Join the high school committee as we talk about the NFB’s Philosophy of blindness. When: Sunday, December 18, 2011. 6p.m. ET. Call: (712)775-7100 Pass code: 257963 we look forward to having you! NABS High School Committee -- Darian Smith "To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the formula for a life well lived." - Dr. Peter Benson From tannis at afb.net Wed Dec 14 20:07:15 2011 From: tannis at afb.net (Tara Annis) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 20:07:15 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] scholarships for legally blind students pursuing higher education Message-ID: <28DEBD505C185140A61A985DCBAB086A09B16763@CH1PRD0402MB102.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Please pass on this information about scholarships to anyone who may be interested. I've already posted to the Blind Kid and Blind Talk listservs. The American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) administers a scholarship program for deserving students. Each year individuals who are legally blind can apply for financial awards to support their post-secondary education. Seven scholarships are offered through this program with a potential of eleven recipients. The application can be filled out online at www.afb.org/scholarships.asp. The 2012 scholarship program will end on the deadline of April 30, 2012. If you have questions or comments contact: American Foundation for the Blind Information Center Telephone: (Toll Free: (800) 232-5463 E-mail: afbinfo at afb.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 02:09:57 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:09:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No LongerAccessible Message-ID: <4ee95700.45c3e00a.5e29.166b@mx.google.com> Oh no, not Google inaccessibility again! Well, there is an accessible Google search option, but I'm not sure if the settings thing is on that page. It doesn't hurt to try, though. Try going to www.google.com/accessibility and see if you can find what you're looking for there. This address is where the accessible Google search has been moved to with the taking down of labs.google.com, where it used to be. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Humberto Avila" Hi=20John, Welcome=20to=20the=20NABS=20list!=20I=20think=20I=20know=20you=20from=20Aud= io=20Access=20 FM;=20are=20you=20the=20host=20of=20the=20Entertainment=20Vault?=20If=20so,= =20I=20love=20 that=20show=20and=20the=20many=20interesting=20interviews=20you=20have=20on= =20it.=20=20 Again,=20welcome=20to=20the=20list! Chris "The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi= ght.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance." --=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President,=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20= Blind,=20 1968-1986 =20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20blind=20and=20visually=20impa= ired=20youth=20 in=20Maryland=20say=20"I=20can,"=20by=20empowering=20them=20through=20provi= ding=20 assistive=20technology=20and=20scholarships=20to=20camps=20and=20convention= s=20 which=20help=20them=20be=20equal=20with=20their=20sighted=20peers.=20=20For= =20more=20 information=20about=20the=20Foundation=20and=20to=20support=20our=20work,=20= visit=20 us=20online=20at=20www.icanfoundation.info! =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"jonathan=20matte"=20 It will play for me, it's just very hard to understand. So I would still consider it inaccessible for that reason. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Hello Joshua, I just looked at this myself and, to my knowledge, they are using sliders that you can slide with a mouse instead of combo boxes, checkboxes and radio buttons. These sliders, of course, are not accessible with JAWS and NVDA. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:48 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No LongerAccessible It is accessible. It says, "Screenreader users, click here." Blessings, Joshua On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila wrote: I am bringing this to your attention as it looks like this change occurred just today. Please read on. This company is facing another possible lawsuit. -----Original Message----- From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:13 AM To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org Subject: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer Accessible Hi list. Has anyone else noticed that you can no longer change your search preferences on the Google Search Settings page? The radio boxes previously used to select a particular option under each heading seem to have vanished. For instance, under the Google Instant heading, On and Off are listed, but there are no radio or check boxes to select the option you want. And under the Number of Search Results Per Page heading, the numbers 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 and 100 are listed, but there seems to be no way to select the number you want. And nothing happens when you hit Space or Enter on the Save button, so there is apparently no way to activate it to save your preferences like you could before. I have tried JAWS 9, NVDA and SA to Go with both IE 8 and Firefox, but can't select anything on the Search Settings page no matter what screen reader/browser combination I try. Has Google suddenly made its Search Settings page inaccessible, and is there any work around for this problem? Google seems to be becoming less and less accessible every day. Maybe the NFB should look into this issue. Thanks for any feedback. Gerald _______________________________________________ gui-talk mailing list gui-talk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for gui-talk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert. humberto2%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.p ccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu mberto2%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 02:10:12 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 21:10:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No LongerAccessible Message-ID: <4ee95710.45c3e00a.5e29.1672@mx.google.com> I haven't heard of it. What is it like and how accessible is it with JAWS? Can you send us the URL? Here's an idea: how about making a search engine or at least an option on an existing one to only come up with accessible sites as search results? I hate when I Google something, and it comes up with a bunch of hits, I try clicking on the first three or four links and none of them are accessible! Would this idea be possible? Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Joshua, The initial email was talking about the google search settings page. You are talking about the main google search page. These are not the same. I haven't tried the search settings page myself, but enough people on the other list have confirmed this that I have no doubt that it is no longer accessible. Personally, I don't believe I've ever changed the settings myself, but I do not like that google has taken away our ability to do so. My guess is that it will be fixed fairly soon, and a law suit or threat of one will not be necessary. Marc On 2011-12-13, at 3:47 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: It is accessible. It says, "Screenreader users, click here." Blessings, Joshua On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila wrote: I am bringing this to your attention as it looks like this change occurred just today. Please read on. This company is facing another possible lawsuit. -----Original Message----- From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:13 AM To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org Subject: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer Accessible Hi list. Has anyone else noticed that you can no longer change your search preferences on the Google Search Settings page? The radio boxes previously used to select a particular option under each heading seem to have vanished. For instance, under the Google Instant heading, On and Off are listed, but there are no radio or check boxes to select the option you want. And under the Number of Search Results Per Page heading, the numbers 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 and 100 are listed, but there seems to be no way to select the number you want. And nothing happens when you hit Space or Enter on the Save button, so there is apparently no way to activate it to save your preferences like you could before. I have tried JAWS 9, NVDA and SA to Go with both IE 8 and Firefox, but can't select anything on the Search Settings page no matter what screen reader/browser combination I try. Has Google suddenly made its Search Settings page inaccessible, and is there any work around for this problem? Google seems to be becoming less and less accessible every day. Maybe the NFB should look into this issue. Thanks for any feedback. Gerald _______________________________________________ gui-talk mailing list gui-talk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for gui-talk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert. humberto2%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mworkman.list s%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Thu Dec 15 11:35:08 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 05:35:08 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: NBP-Announce: Poetry like you've never seen before! Message-ID: > >The Poetry of Everyday Life >Compiled by Diane Croft & Joanne Becker >Braille (1 vol.), or eBraille (CD or download), $9.95 > >'This is the first book of poetry I have ever read, that I want to >go back and read again!' >- Joanne Sullivan, Customer Relations Manager at National Braille Press > >This is a collection of 20th and 21st century poets, handpicked by >JoAnn Becker and Diane Croft. These are frank poems about young passions >and old love, nature and nurture, work affairs and love affairs. >This is not your grandmother's poetry! As Emily Dickinson wrote, >"When I feel physically as if the top of my head were taken off, I >know that is poetry." > >See for yourself: Read Sharon Olds's poem 'Fish Oil' on our site: >http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/POETRYLIFE.html > > >******* >Which FREE book will you choose in our Annual Holiday Book Sale? >http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/holidaysale.html > > >****** >To order any books, send payment to: >NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302 >Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext 520. >Or order any of our books online at >http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html . > > >_______________________________________________ >Nbp mailing list >Nbp at nbp.org > >PLEASE DO NOT respond to this message! It is an automated message >and your query will not reach us. Send questions to orders at nbp.org . > >Visit us at http://www.nbp.org From bstorm at uic.edu Thu Dec 15 08:10:16 2011 From: bstorm at uic.edu (Benjamin C. Storm) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 02:10:16 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Summer Intern-Pittsburgh Science of Learning Center (at CMU and Pitt) In-Reply-To: <4EE9AB02.6060900@uic.edu> References: <4EE9AB02.6060900@uic.edu> Message-ID: <4EE9AB68.1090205@uic.edu> > Dear colleague: > > The Pittsburgh Science of Learning Center (at CMU and Pitt) is seeking > applicants for an excellent summer internship program. Please distribute > this message to potentially interested undergrads (mainly Juniors and > Seniors). > > A description can be found at: > > http://learnlab.org/opportunities/PSLC_summer_internship.php > > > > Thanks > > -David Klahr > > -- > Audrey Russo > PIER Program Coordinator > Research Associate > Psychology Dept > Carnegie Mellon University > Pittsburgh, PA 15213 > e-mail: ar3v at andrew.cmu.edu > phone: (412) 268-4701 > fax: (412) 268-2798 Jennifer Wiley University of Illinois at Chicago 1007 W Harrison St MC 285 1054B BSB Chicago IL 60607 312 355 2501 From kobycox at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 00:07:25 2011 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:07:25 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house Message-ID: Hello All, I'm totally blind and am 19 years old I currently have a girlfriend whose 22 years of age. She's legally blind and has cadaracts. I'll be graduating highschool on December 20,2011. I'm thinking about moving in with her on that day after I get out of school. However, I'm not sure how I should explain this to my parents sense they don't want us seeing one another. Any ideas? Each one of you right back soon, Koby. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 00:13:17 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:13:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] from Top Tech Tidbits: accessibility testers wanted for SSTS from IBBM Message-ID: <4eea8d27.85c1e00a.4430.ffffbdf1@mx.google.com> Hi everyone, I received the following in the Top Tech Tidbits magazine from Flying Blind and thought some of you would be interested. Here is the tidbit: ? 7) IBM has recently become aware of some accessibility issues with SPSS, a common statistical analysis package, when using JAWS and other screen readers. They may be looking for students or professionals who use screen readers and have access to SPSS with whom they can work to do accessibility testing. If interested, email: lar at us.ibm.com? This newsletter is meant to be concise and it doesn't have a lot of details. If you have any questions, I would recommend contacting IBM at the email address above or emailing Dean Martineau, who writes Top Tech Tidbits at dean at topdotenterprises.com. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ---- Original Message ------ From: "Flying Blind, LLC" References: Message-ID: Yeah, I have an idea. Don't do it. OK, so you didn't ask whether you should do it or not, so if you decide to do it anyway, you should just tell your parents straight out. You're an adult and have a right to make whatever decisions about your living arrangements that you want. Doing this on December 20th, five days before Christmas, is really bad timing. If you insist on going through with this, then you should tell them ASAP. Like that means today. This will get them time to adjust to the idea. OK, hope that helps somewhat, but as you might have guessed I'm really, really against this idea! On 15.12.2011, Koby Cox wrote: > Hello All, > I'm totally blind and am 19 years old I currently have a girlfriend > whose 22 years of age. She's legally blind and has cadaracts. I'll be > graduating highschool on December 20,2011. I'm thinking about moving in > with her on that day after I get out of school. However, I'm not sure > how I should explain this to my parents sense they don't want us seeing > one another. Any ideas? > Each one of you right back soon, > Koby. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > -- Nimer M. Jaber The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or criminal action. 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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 00:34:54 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:34:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The HumanWare 2011 Braille Literacy Scholarship Program Message-ID: <4eea9238.0aaee00a.5fa3.ffffbc8f@mx.google.com> Trudy, can you forward this to the MDPOBC list? Thanks! ---- Original Message ------ From: HumanWare Hi Koby, Wow! Sorry I can't help you here; I'll just say this. I don't think this question is really blindness-related, as the fact that your parents don't want you to see your girlfriend has nothing to do with your blindness. So, I don't think this is a good list for it. Just my opinion! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koby Cox" Message-ID: Chris, What mailing list should I post this on? Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:35 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house Hi Koby, Wow! Sorry I can't help you here; I'll just say this. I don't think this question is really blindness-related, as the fact that your parents don't want you to see your girlfriend has nothing to do with your blindness. So, I don't think this is a good list for it. Just my opinion! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koby Cox" References: Message-ID: <30B3BA137BED4D1BAB4AA75902349E5C@OwnerPC> Koby, Well, there are many factors to consider. Do you know how to take care of the home you'll have? Can you cook? Can you afford the place? Generally, renting an apartment with a girl/guy friend is not a good idea unless you feel pretty close and feel you can really count on them. I've just heard too many stories about the other partner leaving, failing to pay rent or breaking up leaving the other person to pay joint bills on their own. Think about it. Are you sure she is a long term thing? If you have thought about it all and feel you can do it, you are an adult and can do this. Tell your parents your decision when they are together at home; maybe after dinner or a time they do not look too occupied. I don't think they will approve from what you've said. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Koby Cox Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:07 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house Hello All, I'm totally blind and am 19 years old I currently have a girlfriend whose 22 years of age. She's legally blind and has cadaracts. I'll be graduating highschool on December 20,2011. I'm thinking about moving in with her on that day after I get out of school. However, I'm not sure how I should explain this to my parents sense they don't want us seeing one another. Any ideas? Each one of you right back soon, Koby. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Dec 16 01:02:49 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:02:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree Nimer. Living as a 19 year old with a 22 year old is not the best idea. You don't know how stable their life and finances are. I am looking forward though to having a job someday and being able to have a place. Rent is expensive! Entry level jobs are hard to come by for us though as many require filing, sorting mail, and visual tasks. There is a series of books from National braille press, NBP. They may help in knowing the basics of apartment renting and opening a bank account and finances. I plan to get it. The books are The Real U guide to Finding your First job, the Real U Guide to your First Apartment, and the Real U guide to your first bank account. I cannot say how useful they are without reading them, but by the table of contents/description, sounds very useful so you know how to pay your bills and manage on your own. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:33 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house Yeah, I have an idea. Don't do it. OK, so you didn't ask whether you should do it or not, so if you decide to do it anyway, you should just tell your parents straight out. You're an adult and have a right to make whatever decisions about your living arrangements that you want. Doing this on December 20th, five days before Christmas, is really bad timing. If you insist on going through with this, then you should tell them ASAP. Like that means today. This will get them time to adjust to the idea. OK, hope that helps somewhat, but as you might have guessed I'm really, really against this idea! On 15.12.2011, Koby Cox wrote: > Hello All, > I'm totally blind and am 19 years old I currently have a girlfriend > whose 22 years of age. She's legally blind and has cadaracts. I'll be > graduating highschool on December 20,2011. I'm thinking about moving in > with her on that day after I get out of school. However, I'm not sure > how I should explain this to my parents sense they don't want us seeing > one another. Any ideas? > Each one of you right back soon, > Koby. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com > -- Nimer M. Jaber The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email from your computer. Registered Linux User 529141. http://counter.li.org/ Vinux testing and documentation coordinator To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, please click here: http://www.vinuxproject.org To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP and above, please click here: http://www.nvda-project.org Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: http://nimertech.blogspot.com Phone: (720) (251-4530) Please reply to this email to contact me. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From kobycox at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 01:06:31 2011 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:06:31 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house In-Reply-To: <30B3BA137BED4D1BAB4AA75902349E5C@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <9679745AB17F4A5AAAD9FA5B1702BD00@OwnerPC> Ashley, I can do that. I can also afford to pay the rent and we're really close. Can you pleas email me off list so that we can talk some more about this? My email address is: Kobycox at gmail.com Thanks, Koy. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:58 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house Koby, Well, there are many factors to consider. Do you know how to take care of the home you'll have? Can you cook? Can you afford the place? Generally, renting an apartment with a girl/guy friend is not a good idea unless you feel pretty close and feel you can really count on them. I've just heard too many stories about the other partner leaving, failing to pay rent or breaking up leaving the other person to pay joint bills on their own. Think about it. Are you sure she is a long term thing? If you have thought about it all and feel you can do it, you are an adult and can do this. Tell your parents your decision when they are together at home; maybe after dinner or a time they do not look too occupied. I don't think they will approve from what you've said. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Koby Cox Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:07 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house Hello All, I'm totally blind and am 19 years old I currently have a girlfriend whose 22 years of age. She's legally blind and has cadaracts. I'll be graduating highschool on December 20,2011. I'm thinking about moving in with her on that day after I get out of school. However, I'm not sure how I should explain this to my parents sense they don't want us seeing one another. Any ideas? Each one of you right back soon, Koby. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl ink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4083 - Release Date: 12/15/11 13:34:00 From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 01:36:09 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:36:09 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Experiences In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, Cindy gave a great summary of what happens at Washington Seminar. I have attended several, and really enjoyed it too. In some ways Washington Seminar is more exciting than convention. The group is smaller, so you are working together with a dedicated crowd of Federationists, and your work will directly impact the legislation that affects our future. One thing to add is that I know it is difficult for many of us to miss a week of school for the entire Washington Seminar. I did it once, but usually leave early. Depending on how your state affiliate has appointments set up, you might not need to stay until Thursday-many people leave on Wednesday, for example. Another compromise, which I think is still very worthwhile, is to fly out to D.C. on Saturday, attend the NABS stuff on Sunday and then fly back on Monday or Tuesday. I did this several times including one year when seminar fell right before I was leaving for Australia. You will miss the legislative action, but you will still be able to enjoy and learn from the all-day NABS gathering on Sunday and network with other blind students during the NABS social if there is one. The NABS winter gathering is longer and more in-depth than the convention meeting, and it includes breakout sessions, where you can ask questions to experienced blind students in person. Going for just three nights is also much cheaper if you are on a budget, and you would potentially only miss one day of school. If you are thinking of going, I'd suggest talking to your NFB state president about who else is going, when your appointments are and whether they have financial assistance available to help cover your expenses. Best, Arielle On 12/13/11, Cindy Bennett wrote: > Ian: > > I am happy to talk about my Washington Seminar experiences, because > this year will be my 5th, and it is my favorite NFB event. > > I hope you can come to seminar on Saturday, Feb. 4, because on Sunday, > Feb. 5, there will be a NABS seminar, and it will be a great > networking opportunity for you to have with students from all over the > country. > > Monday is a lighter day. There are no legislative appointments this > day since several congressmen are not in their offices on Mondays. > However, I believe NABS will have some vendors available to speak > with, and some other divisions might have meetings. Several people use > Monday as a day to do fun things around D.C. Monday evening however is > the great gathering in when everyone assembles, and the legislative > issues for the years as well as other NFB current happenings are > discussed. Typically, about 500 NFB members attend Washington seminar. > So, it is definitely smaller than a national convention, but I have > found that the participants are energetic people who care about > proactively improving the lives of blind people. > > Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday are appointment days which I will > explain below. > > Basically, someone from your state will make appointments with all of > your state's congressmen. The NFB will release 3 legislative issues > which we talk to our legislators about during these appointments. > Typically, states will divide into groups of 3 people or so and attend > these appointments. So, you won't meet with all of your congressmen, > but some, and probably the congressman who represents the area in > which you live. The appointments are not long. In my experience, each > group member has versed themselves especially well on one issue and > discusses their issue with the legislator or a legislative assistant. > States do things differently though, but you'll want to discuss your > issues and then leave. > > As people from your state attend seminars repeatedly, relationships > can build between NFB members and legislative offices. Although it is > more common to meet with a legislative assistant than the congressman, > building relationships with these employees can build the influence > you have with the legislator. > > So, to answer your question about whether seminar makes a difference > shortly, yes. Some examples I can think of are the Louis Braille coin > initiative which was advocated for at Washington Seminar and passed, > and a lot of money was raised for braille literacy. Also, the > Pedestrian Safety Enhancement Act which passed just last year was a > seminar issue for a few years. Some issues take years to pass, but our > presence in D.C. does make a difference. This does not downplay the > integral part everyone can play by emailing and calling their > congressmens' offices, but there is something about actually visiting > that alerts congressmen and lets them know that you are serious about > the changes you want to see in government. > > I hope that you receive the opportunity to go, and that other students > shed light on their experiences. Mine have been overwhelmingly > positive, but Washington Seminar is not for everyone. It is a bit > expensive, so I feel that it has to be something that is important for > you to go, but giving it a try to see if it is something that is > important to you is a good idea. > > Cindy > > > On 12/13/11, Ian Perrault wrote: >> Hi >> I’m wondering if any of you could give me your experiences if you’ve >> attended a Washington Seminar? I may go for the first time this year and >> am >> wondering what happens, what it’s like, and if it has helped us as blind >> people get equal access to stuff. >> Ian >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Cindy Bennett > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > > clb5590 at gmail.com > 828.989.5383 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 02:11:15 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:11:15 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house In-Reply-To: <9679745AB17F4A5AAAD9FA5B1702BD00@OwnerPC> References: <30B3BA137BED4D1BAB4AA75902349E5C@OwnerPC> <9679745AB17F4A5AAAD9FA5B1702BD00@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Koby, I understand that you're working on getting started at one of the NFB training centers, which I think is a great idea. What I'd suggest is waiting until you know when you will be starting at the center before you move in with your girlfriend. That's because depending on how long you have to wait before you go to the center, you may or may not need to sign a new lease with her, so you'll want to know how much time it will be. I also think that instead of just telling your parents that you're moving out, you should give them a lot of details, like how long you plan to live with her, where you will be living, how much you will be paying in rent per month, how you will be able to pay that amount, etc. That's because your parents will probably be more supportive if they know that you've thought through all the details and know how to budget for yourself. You didn't mention why they don't want you to see her, so it's possible they might not still agree with your decision. But if you show them that you are mature, plan ahead and know what you are doing, they're more likely to support it. You should also have a backup plan for what you will do if you guys decide to break up. Not that that is going to happen, but it could happen, so if it does you don't want to be out a bunch of money. I do think that it's better not to live with a boyfriend or girlfriend until you have been going out with them for a long time so you can feel confident that the relationship isn't going to end, and that the boyfriend or girlfriend will be good about paying rent and such on time. If you do decide to live with her, you might consider looking for a place where you and she pay your rent separately, so if she doesn't pay her half, you aren't stuck paying it. However, I also know that you are an adult and I can understand why you would want to live with her. I just think that it would be helpful to make plans for the next stage of your life first before making a decision about moving, so you hav a strong plan and don't get stuck with financial obligations from having to move out sooner than you expect. Best, Arielle On 12/15/11, Koby Cox wrote: > Ashley, > I can do that. I can also afford to pay the rent and we're really close. > Can you pleas email me off list so that we can talk some more about > this? My email address is: > Kobycox at gmail.com > Thanks, > Koy. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:58 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house > > Koby, > Well, there are many factors to consider. Do you know how to take care > of > the home you'll have? Can you cook? Can you afford the place? > Generally, renting an apartment with a girl/guy friend is not a good > idea > unless you feel pretty close and feel you can really count on them. > I've just heard too many stories about the other partner leaving, > failing > to pay rent or > breaking up leaving the other person to pay joint bills on their own. > Think > about it. Are you sure she is a long term thing? > > If you have thought about it all and feel you can do it, you are an > adult > and can do this. > Tell your parents your decision when they are together at home; maybe > after > dinner or a time they do not look too occupied. > > I don't think they will approve from what you've said. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Koby Cox > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:07 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house > > Hello All, > I'm totally blind and am 19 years old I currently have a girlfriend > whose 22 years of age. She's legally blind and has cadaracts. I'll be > graduating highschool on December 20,2011. I'm thinking about moving in > with her on that day after I get out of school. However, I'm not sure > how I should explain this to my parents sense they don't want us seeing > one another. Any ideas? > Each one of you right back soon, > Koby. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl > ink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4083 - Release Date: 12/15/11 > 13:34:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 02:22:09 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:22:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house Message-ID: <4eeaab5c.d2dee00a.1f07.59fe@mx.google.com> I wouldn't post it to any blindness-related list, if that list is meant strictly for blindness-related discussion, as this one is. If there's a general chat list out there or a dating list or something like that, you could try that, but I wouldn't post this to a list at all; maybe you could try posting it to your Facebook page or something like that. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koby Cox" Good idea about emailing off-list, Koby! I'm sorry to be such a stickler for staying blindness-related on this list, but I just think this list isn't the place. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koby Cox" References: <4eeaab5c.d2dee00a.1f07.59fe@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Oh wow. With all the off-topic threads that didn't relate to blindness, we're jumping on the off-topic bandwagon on this one? I'm just happy the man asked for advice before he made such a momentus decision! On 15.12.2011, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > I wouldn't post it to any blindness-related list, if that list is > meant strictly for blindness-related discussion, as this one is. > If there's a general chat list out there or a dating list or > something like that, you could try that, but I wouldn't post this > to a list at all; maybe you could try posting it to your Facebook > page or something like that. > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Koby Cox" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:42:30 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents > house > > Chris, > What mailing list should I post this on? > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:35 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents > house > > Hi Koby, > > Wow! Sorry I can't help you here; I'll just say this. I don't > think this question is really blindness-related, as the fact that > your parents don't want you to see your girlfriend has nothing to > do with your blindness. So, I don't think this is a good list > for it. Just my opinion! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Koby Cox" To: Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:07:25 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house > > Hello All, > I'm totally blind and am 19 years old I currently have a > girlfriend > whose 22 years of age. She's legally blind and has cadaracts. > I'll be > graduating highschool on December 20,2011. I'm thinking about > moving in > with her on that day after I get out of school. However, I'm not > sure > how I should explain this to my parents sense they don't want us > seeing > one another. 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From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 02:29:36 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:29:36 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house In-Reply-To: <4eeaab5c.d2dee00a.1f07.59fe@mx.google.com> References: <4eeaab5c.d2dee00a.1f07.59fe@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Chris and all, With all due respect, it's possible that the reason Koby's parents don't want him to date this girl is because of his blindness, hers or both, so it could be blindness-related. Also, this is a list for blind students, so we discuss blindness stuff but we also discuss student stuff-and decisions about moving out, college, careers, dealing with parents etc. is very much a student issue. I understand you were just trying to be helpful, but to reduce clutter on the list, it's best to let NABS officers or the list moderators make judgments about what is on or off-topic. Otherwise, we could end up with fifty emails back and forth debating about what is on or off topic, and the whole point of staying on-topic is to reduce the number of messages. (And so this will be my only post on the matter). Best, Arielle-former list chair and former NABS president On 12/15/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > I wouldn't post it to any blindness-related list, if that list is > meant strictly for blindness-related discussion, as this one is. > If there's a general chat list out there or a dating list or > something like that, you could try that, but I wouldn't post this > to a list at all; maybe you could try posting it to your Facebook > page or something like that. > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Koby Cox" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:42:30 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents > house > > Chris, > What mailing list should I post this on? > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:35 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents > house > > Hi Koby, > > Wow! Sorry I can't help you here; I'll just say this. I don't > think this question is really blindness-related, as the fact that > your parents don't want you to see your girlfriend has nothing to > do with your blindness. So, I don't think this is a good list > for it. Just my opinion! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Koby Cox" To: Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:07:25 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house > > Hello All, > I'm totally blind and am 19 years old I currently have a > girlfriend > whose 22 years of age. She's legally blind and has cadaracts. > I'll be > graduating highschool on December 20,2011. I'm thinking about > moving in > with her on that day after I get out of school. However, I'm not > sure > how I should explain this to my parents sense they don't want us > seeing > one another. Any ideas? > Each one of you right back soon, > Koby. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma > il.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4083 - Release Date: > 12/15/11 > 13:34:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 02:31:26 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:31:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house Message-ID: <4eeaad89.016be00a.0437.ffffcb57@mx.google.com> Well yeah, mee too! What off-topic thread have you seen on this list where people haven't said anything about it being off-topic? There were a lot of people who said even the off-topic thread back in September was off-topic, but some people just chose to continue it. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: I wouldn't post it to any blindness-related list, if that list is meant strictly for blindness-related discussion, as this one is. If there's a general chat list out there or a dating list or something like that, you could try that, but I wouldn't post this to a list at all; maybe you could try posting it to your Facebook page or something like that. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koby Cox" Message-ID: Arielle, It's because we're both blind. She's legally blind and I'm totally blind. Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house Chris and all, With all due respect, it's possible that the reason Koby's parents don't want him to date this girl is because of his blindness, hers or both, so it could be blindness-related. Also, this is a list for blind students, so we discuss blindness stuff but we also discuss student stuff-and decisions about moving out, college, careers, dealing with parents etc. is very much a student issue. I understand you were just trying to be helpful, but to reduce clutter on the list, it's best to let NABS officers or the list moderators make judgments about what is on or off-topic. Otherwise, we could end up with fifty emails back and forth debating about what is on or off topic, and the whole point of staying on-topic is to reduce the number of messages. (And so this will be my only post on the matter). Best, Arielle-former list chair and former NABS president On 12/15/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > I wouldn't post it to any blindness-related list, if that list is > meant strictly for blindness-related discussion, as this one is. > If there's a general chat list out there or a dating list or > something like that, you could try that, but I wouldn't post this > to a list at all; maybe you could try posting it to your Facebook > page or something like that. > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Koby Cox" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:42:30 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents > house > > Chris, > What mailing list should I post this on? > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:35 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents > house > > Hi Koby, > > Wow! Sorry I can't help you here; I'll just say this. I don't > think this question is really blindness-related, as the fact that > your parents don't want you to see your girlfriend has nothing to > do with your blindness. So, I don't think this is a good list > for it. Just my opinion! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Koby Cox" To: Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:07:25 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house > > Hello All, > I'm totally blind and am 19 years old I currently have a > girlfriend > whose 22 years of age. She's legally blind and has cadaracts. > I'll be > graduating highschool on December 20,2011. I'm thinking about > moving in > with her on that day after I get out of school. However, I'm not > sure > how I should explain this to my parents sense they don't want us > seeing > one another. Any ideas? > Each one of you right back soon, > Koby. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma > il.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4083 - Release Date: > 12/15/11 > 13:34:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.co m > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4083 - Release Date: 12/15/11 13:34:00 From dandrews at visi.com Fri Dec 16 03:54:32 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:54:32 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house In-Reply-To: References: <4eea923a.0aaee00a.5fa3.ffffbc90@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I am not sure it should be posted on any list! Our lists are public, archived, and searchable -- so your parents may already know. This is a personal situation, and less public solutions might be better in terms of getting advice and support. David Andrews, List Owner At 06:42 PM 12/15/2011, you wrote: >Chris, >What mailing list should I post this on? >Koby. > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum >Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:35 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house > >Hi Koby, > >Wow! Sorry I can't help you here; I'll just say this. I don't >think this question is really blindness-related, as the fact that >your parents don't want you to see your girlfriend has nothing to >do with your blindness. So, I don't think this is a good list >for it. Just my opinion! > >Chris > >"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >nuisance." >-- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, >1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth >in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing >assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions >which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more >information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit >us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Koby Cox" To: Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:07:25 -0600 >Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house > >Hello All, >I'm totally blind and am 19 years old I currently have a >girlfriend >whose 22 years of age. She's legally blind and has cadaracts. >I'll be >graduating highschool on December 20,2011. I'm thinking about >moving in >with her on that day after I get out of school. However, I'm not >sure >how I should explain this to my parents sense they don't want us >seeing >one another. Any ideas? >Each one of you right back soon, >Koby. From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Dec 16 05:28:47 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 00:28:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house In-Reply-To: References: <4eeaab5c.d2dee00a.1f07.59fe@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8F3B796DD1704015A5C12E5874E45088@OwnerPC> Arielle, Right. that is what I sensed from his initial message. Dealing with parental attitudes and making it on your own is definitely a student issue. We all have to live and find out how to manage sometime, and many people do this in college. I did not; I lived in a dorm, but I know many people who lived in apartments with roommates for the first time. I think one needs to consider many factors including home management skills and find a way to manage finances. When I read the girl was young, the first thing that came to my mind was wow, how are they going to support themselves living alone and in school? I tell ya, SSI, if both you get it probably not pay your rent! And if it does, factor in other costs like I'd say $50 for food a week or more, transportation, expenses for other small everyday items, your phone and more. I say this as a caution as I do not think many 20 year olds know how much it costs to live. And do you want to burn bridges with parents whom you might need someday? That is a personal decision. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:29 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house Chris and all, With all due respect, it's possible that the reason Koby's parents don't want him to date this girl is because of his blindness, hers or both, so it could be blindness-related. Also, this is a list for blind students, so we discuss blindness stuff but we also discuss student stuff-and decisions about moving out, college, careers, dealing with parents etc. is very much a student issue. I understand you were just trying to be helpful, but to reduce clutter on the list, it's best to let NABS officers or the list moderators make judgments about what is on or off-topic. Otherwise, we could end up with fifty emails back and forth debating about what is on or off topic, and the whole point of staying on-topic is to reduce the number of messages. (And so this will be my only post on the matter). Best, Arielle-former list chair and former NABS president On 12/15/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > I wouldn't post it to any blindness-related list, if that list is > meant strictly for blindness-related discussion, as this one is. > If there's a general chat list out there or a dating list or > something like that, you could try that, but I wouldn't post this > to a list at all; maybe you could try posting it to your Facebook > page or something like that. > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Koby Cox" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:42:30 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents > house > > Chris, > What mailing list should I post this on? > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:35 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents > house > > Hi Koby, > > Wow! Sorry I can't help you here; I'll just say this. I don't > think this question is really blindness-related, as the fact that > your parents don't want you to see your girlfriend has nothing to > do with your blindness. So, I don't think this is a good list > for it. Just my opinion! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Koby Cox" To: Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:07:25 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house > > Hello All, > I'm totally blind and am 19 years old I currently have a > girlfriend > whose 22 years of age. She's legally blind and has cadaracts. > I'll be > graduating highschool on December 20,2011. I'm thinking about > moving in > with her on that day after I get out of school. However, I'm not > sure > how I should explain this to my parents sense they don't want us > seeing > one another. Any ideas? > Each one of you right back soon, > Koby. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma > il.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4083 - Release Date: > 12/15/11 > 13:34:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Dec 16 05:30:00 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 00:30:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house In-Reply-To: <9679745AB17F4A5AAAD9FA5B1702BD00@OwnerPC> References: <9679745AB17F4A5AAAD9FA5B1702BD00@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <6760A59D34B7411F867DA88BB7AC12DD@OwnerPC> okay. -----Original Message----- From: Koby Cox Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:06 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house Ashley, I can do that. I can also afford to pay the rent and we're really close. Can you pleas email me off list so that we can talk some more about this? My email address is: Kobycox at gmail.com Thanks, Koy. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:58 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house Koby, Well, there are many factors to consider. Do you know how to take care of the home you'll have? Can you cook? Can you afford the place? Generally, renting an apartment with a girl/guy friend is not a good idea unless you feel pretty close and feel you can really count on them. I've just heard too many stories about the other partner leaving, failing to pay rent or breaking up leaving the other person to pay joint bills on their own. Think about it. Are you sure she is a long term thing? If you have thought about it all and feel you can do it, you are an adult and can do this. Tell your parents your decision when they are together at home; maybe after dinner or a time they do not look too occupied. I don't think they will approve from what you've said. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Koby Cox Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:07 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house Hello All, I'm totally blind and am 19 years old I currently have a girlfriend whose 22 years of age. She's legally blind and has cadaracts. I'll be graduating highschool on December 20,2011. I'm thinking about moving in with her on that day after I get out of school. However, I'm not sure how I should explain this to my parents sense they don't want us seeing one another. Any ideas? Each one of you right back soon, Koby. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl ink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4083 - Release Date: 12/15/11 13:34:00 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Dec 16 05:38:53 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 00:38:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house In-Reply-To: References: <30B3BA137BED4D1BAB4AA75902349E5C@OwnerPC><9679745AB17F4A5AAAD9FA5B1702BD00@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Arielle, Excellent points. Have a back up plan definitely and you said the same thing I did about finances. You got to plan ahead. If you can use excel, make a fake weekly budget and see how much it will cost to live. Excel can add up stuff for you. -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house Hi Koby, I understand that you're working on getting started at one of the NFB training centers, which I think is a great idea. What I'd suggest is waiting until you know when you will be starting at the center before you move in with your girlfriend. That's because depending on how long you have to wait before you go to the center, you may or may not need to sign a new lease with her, so you'll want to know how much time it will be. I also think that instead of just telling your parents that you're moving out, you should give them a lot of details, like how long you plan to live with her, where you will be living, how much you will be paying in rent per month, how you will be able to pay that amount, etc. That's because your parents will probably be more supportive if they know that you've thought through all the details and know how to budget for yourself. You didn't mention why they don't want you to see her, so it's possible they might not still agree with your decision. But if you show them that you are mature, plan ahead and know what you are doing, they're more likely to support it. You should also have a backup plan for what you will do if you guys decide to break up. Not that that is going to happen, but it could happen, so if it does you don't want to be out a bunch of money. I do think that it's better not to live with a boyfriend or girlfriend until you have been going out with them for a long time so you can feel confident that the relationship isn't going to end, and that the boyfriend or girlfriend will be good about paying rent and such on time. If you do decide to live with her, you might consider looking for a place where you and she pay your rent separately, so if she doesn't pay her half, you aren't stuck paying it. However, I also know that you are an adult and I can understand why you would want to live with her. I just think that it would be helpful to make plans for the next stage of your life first before making a decision about moving, so you hav a strong plan and don't get stuck with financial obligations from having to move out sooner than you expect. Best, Arielle On 12/15/11, Koby Cox wrote: > Ashley, > I can do that. I can also afford to pay the rent and we're really close. > Can you pleas email me off list so that we can talk some more about > this? My email address is: > Kobycox at gmail.com > Thanks, > Koy. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:58 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house > > Koby, > Well, there are many factors to consider. Do you know how to take care > of > the home you'll have? Can you cook? Can you afford the place? > Generally, renting an apartment with a girl/guy friend is not a good > idea > unless you feel pretty close and feel you can really count on them. > I've just heard too many stories about the other partner leaving, > failing > to pay rent or > breaking up leaving the other person to pay joint bills on their own. > Think > about it. Are you sure she is a long term thing? > > If you have thought about it all and feel you can do it, you are an > adult > and can do this. > Tell your parents your decision when they are together at home; maybe > after > dinner or a time they do not look too occupied. > > I don't think they will approve from what you've said. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Koby Cox > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:07 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house > > Hello All, > I'm totally blind and am 19 years old I currently have a girlfriend > whose 22 years of age. She's legally blind and has cadaracts. I'll be > graduating highschool on December 20,2011. I'm thinking about moving in > with her on that day after I get out of school. However, I'm not sure > how I should explain this to my parents sense they don't want us seeing > one another. Any ideas? > Each one of you right back soon, > Koby. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthl > ink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4083 - Release Date: 12/15/11 > 13:34:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From carlymih at earthlink.net Fri Dec 16 06:25:42 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:25:42 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No LongerAccessible In-Reply-To: References: <606DB49021B84B3AAB34E3AEE5606A0E@HUMBERTOAVILA> <6E99C4AAF52D4363876E49A2F06B9D7F@HUMBERTOAVILA> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20111215222509.01d79e08@earthlink.net> YAHOO seems to be more accessable, than Gmail.At 03:59 PM 12/13/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >I haven't had any problems doing searches. >Navigating other parts of the site, may be a problem. >Even GMail's audio Captcha is inaccessible. >It won't play. >Google has a long way to go, as far as accessibility is concerned. >Blessings, Joshua > >On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > > Hello Joshua, > > > > I just looked at this myself and, to my knowledge, they are using sliders > > that you can slide with a mouse instead of combo boxes, > checkboxes and radio > > buttons. These sliders, of course, are not accessible with JAWS and NVDA. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > > Of Joshua Lester > > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:48 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No > > LongerAccessible > > > > It is accessible. > > It says, "Screenreader users, click here." > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > >> I am bringing this to your attention as it looks like this change occurred > >> just today. Please read on. This company is facing another possible > > lawsuit. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > >> Behalf Of Gerald Levy > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:13 AM > >> To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org > >> Subject: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer Accessible > >> > >> > >> Hi list. Has anyone else noticed that you can no longer change your > > search > >> preferences on the Google Search Settings page? The radio boxes > > previously > >> used to select a particular option under each heading seem to have > > vanished. > >> For instance, under the Google Instant heading, On and Off are listed, but > >> there are no radio or check boxes to select the option you want. And > > under > >> the Number of Search Results Per Page heading, the numbers 10, 20, 30, 40, > >> 50 and 100 are listed, but there seems to be no way to select the number > > you > >> want. And nothing happens when you hit Space or Enter on the Save button, > >> so there is apparently no way to activate it to save your preferences like > >> you could before. I have tried JAWS 9, NVDA and SA to Go with both IE 8 > > and > >> Firefox, but can't select anything on the Search Settings page no matter > >> what screen reader/browser combination I try. Has Google suddenly made > > its > >> Search Settings page inaccessible, and is there any work around for this > >> problem? Google seems to be becoming less and less accessible every day. > >> Maybe the NFB should look into this issue. Thanks for any feedback. > >> > >> Gerald > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> gui-talk mailing list > >> gui-talk at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> gui-talk: > >> > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%4 > >> 0gmail.com > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > > ccua.edu > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > > mail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > >WARNING: The remainder of this message has not been transferred. >The estimated size of this message is 2019591155 bytes. >Click on the Retrieve From Server icon above and check mail again to >get the whole thing. (If you're reading this in the preview pane, >you'll need to open the message to see the icon.) If the Retrieve > From Server icon is not showing, then this message is no longer on the server. From ignasicambra at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 08:35:54 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ignasi_Cambra_D=EDaz?=) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 03:35:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <85304690-9E4D-4AF7-A6B5-B6D78F0C34B3@gmail.com> Yeah it really doesn't sound like such a great idea… Are you financially independent? Do you have a job? Are you just planning on moving out after graduation but you still want your parents to pay for everything? On Dec 15, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: > Yeah, I have an idea. Don't do it. > > OK, so you didn't ask whether you should do it or not, so if you > decide to do it anyway, you should just tell your parents straight > out. You're an adult and have a right to make whatever decisions about > your living arrangements that you want. Doing this on December 20th, > five days before Christmas, is really bad timing. If you insist on > going through with this, then you should tell them ASAP. Like that > means today. This will get them time to adjust to the idea. > > OK, hope that helps somewhat, but as you might have guessed I'm > really, really against this idea! > > On 15.12.2011, Koby Cox wrote: >> Hello All, >> I'm totally blind and am 19 years old I currently have a girlfriend >> whose 22 years of age. She's legally blind and has cadaracts. I'll be >> graduating highschool on December 20,2011. I'm thinking about moving in >> with her on that day after I get out of school. However, I'm not sure >> how I should explain this to my parents sense they don't want us seeing >> one another. Any ideas? >> Each one of you right back soon, >> Koby. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Nimer M. Jaber > > The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. > If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify > me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken > as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient > may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my > machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible > for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions > or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. > Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these > instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies > of this email from your computer. > > Registered Linux User 529141. > http://counter.li.org/ > Vinux testing and documentation coordinator > To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, > please click here: > http://www.vinuxproject.org > > To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP > and above, please click here: > http://www.nvda-project.org > > Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: > http://nimertech.blogspot.com > > Phone: (720) (251-4530) > Please reply to this email to contact me. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Dec 16 10:41:55 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 04:41:55 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No LongerAccessible In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20111215222509.01d79e08@earthlink.net> References: <606DB49021B84B3AAB34E3AEE5606A0E@HUMBERTOAVILA> <6E99C4AAF52D4363876E49A2F06B9D7F@HUMBERTOAVILA> <7.0.1.0.2.20111215222509.01d79e08@earthlink.net> Message-ID: It's only accessible, until you have to hit enter on the button that says, "Create Account." I'm having problems creating my account. Blessings, Joshua On 12/16/11, Carly wrote: > > YAHOO seems to be more accessable, than Gmail.At 03:59 PM 12/13/2011, > Joshua Lester wrote: >>I haven't had any problems doing searches. >>Navigating other parts of the site, may be a problem. >>Even GMail's audio Captcha is inaccessible. >>It won't play. >>Google has a long way to go, as far as accessibility is concerned. >>Blessings, Joshua >> >>On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >> > Hello Joshua, >> > >> > I just looked at this myself and, to my knowledge, they are using >> > sliders >> > that you can slide with a mouse instead of combo boxes, >> checkboxes and radio >> > buttons. These sliders, of course, are not accessible with JAWS and >> > NVDA. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> > Of Joshua Lester >> > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:48 PM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No >> > LongerAccessible >> > >> > It is accessible. >> > It says, "Screenreader users, click here." >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >> >> I am bringing this to your attention as it looks like this change >> >> occurred >> >> just today. Please read on. This company is facing another possible >> > lawsuit. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] >> >> On >> >> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:13 AM >> >> To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org >> >> Subject: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer Accessible >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi list. Has anyone else noticed that you can no longer change your >> > search >> >> preferences on the Google Search Settings page? The radio boxes >> > previously >> >> used to select a particular option under each heading seem to have >> > vanished. >> >> For instance, under the Google Instant heading, On and Off are listed, >> >> but >> >> there are no radio or check boxes to select the option you want. And >> > under >> >> the Number of Search Results Per Page heading, the numbers 10, 20, 30, >> >> 40, >> >> 50 and 100 are listed, but there seems to be no way to select the >> >> number >> > you >> >> want. And nothing happens when you hit Space or Enter on the Save >> >> button, >> >> so there is apparently no way to activate it to save your preferences >> >> like >> >> you could before. I have tried JAWS 9, NVDA and SA to Go with both IE >> >> 8 >> > and >> >> Firefox, but can't select anything on the Search Settings page no >> >> matter >> >> what screen reader/browser combination I try. Has Google suddenly made >> > its >> >> Search Settings page inaccessible, and is there any work around for >> >> this >> >> problem? Google seems to be becoming less and less accessible every >> >> day. >> >> Maybe the NFB should look into this issue. Thanks for any feedback. >> >> >> >> Gerald >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> gui-talk mailing list >> >> gui-talk at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> gui-talk: >> >> >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%4 >> >> 0gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >> > ccua.edu >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g >> > mail.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >>WARNING: The remainder of this message has not been transferred. >>The estimated size of this message is 2019591155 bytes. >>Click on the Retrieve From Server icon above and check mail again to >>get the whole thing. 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Please spread the word. >http://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/305061700 > >Pasted below is excerpts from the job announcement. Please visit the >URL above for more information and to apply. > >The Library of Congress serves the Congress in fulfilling its duties >and preserves and promotes knowledge and creativity for the benefit >of the American people. It is the nation's oldest federal cultural >institution and the world's largest library, with more than 145 >million items in its physical collections (including books, >manuscripts, prints, photos, film, video, and sound recordings) and >almost 20 million items online. Located on Capitol Hill in >Washington, D.C., the Library is the home of the U.S. Copyright >Office, the Congressional Research Service (CRS), the Law Library of >Congress and the National Library Service for the Blind and >Physically Handicapped. > >The Director of Opportunity, Inclusiveness and Compliance reports >directly to the Chief of Support Operations (OSO). As a senior >manager of the Library of Congress, the incumbent will serve as an >expert advisor to the Chief, OSO and senior leadership on all >matters relating to EEO and non-discrimination in the delivery of >Library programs. Incumbent is responsible for planning and managing >the Employment Discrimination Complaint Program, Cultural Exchange >and Awareness Program, Selective Placement Program and partners with >HRS on Recruitment Planning. > >This position is located in the Office of Opportunity, Inclusiveness >and Compliance, Office of Support Operations, Library of Congress. > >The position description number for this position is 236699. > >This is a Supervisory, non-bargaining unit position. > >KEY REQUIREMENTS > > > > > * See requirements listed below under Qualifications Required. > >---------- > > >DUTIES: > > > >Back to top > >Has overall responsibility, as well as delegated authority, for the >oversight and administration of broad, emerging, and critical >Library of Congress EEO programs and operations. Serves as the >Library's expert and is primarily responsible for directing and >planning the development, implementation, and assessments of >employment discrimination complaint processing, management of >inclusiveness and diversity programs, and development and management >of employee cultural exchange and awareness programs. > >Provides administration and technical supervision to a staff >performing work up to the GS-15 level. > >Performs strategic, administrative, and human resources management >plans and functions for OIC. Establishes guidelines and performance >expectations for staff members, which are clearly communicated >through a formal employee performance management system. Sets >expectations for staff members and holds individuals accountable for >their work products and overall contributions to the furtherance of >the goals and fairness and inclusiveness in all Library operating programs. > >Serves as the primary expert advisor on broad and complex program >areas that affect equal employment opportunities for substantial >numbers of people. On a regular and continuing basis, advises the >Chief, OSO, supervisor at all levels, and senior >managers. Periodically meets with and briefs members of the >Executive Committee and the Operations Committee on significant >and/or controversial EEO issues. > >Develops policies and regulations that stimulate new and progressive >EEO management policies that have impact across Library >lines. Creates long-range policies to address unprecedented EEO >issues that require the generation of original innovations, >concepts, principles leading to Library-wide developments and >changes. 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Translates new legislation into program >goals, actions, and services. > >---------- > > >QUALIFICATIONS REQUIRED: > > > >Back to top > >A candidate's resume must show a proven record of accomplishment >that clearly demonstrates the following: > >(1) Ability to Lead and Manage Workforce Diversity, Equal Employment >Opportunity, Dispute Resolution, Accommodation Programs and Related >Staff in a Federal Environment**: Led, supervised, and managed a >diverse staff and in so doing, performed the following activities: >1) identified current and future staffing needs based on >organizational goals, objectives, and capacity gaps; 2) recruited >and hired staff to meet those needs; 3) communicated and drafted >performance expectations; 4) conducted periodic review of annual >requirements; 5) provided appropriate training and professional >development opportunities to staff; and 6) identified and >implemented methods to improve staff productivity. > >(2) Knowledge of Federal Equal Employment Opportunity and >Affirmative Action Laws, Regulations, Policies, and Procedures and >Diversity Strategies**: Ensured agency compliance with all Equal >Employment Opportunity (EEO) laws and regulations, determined and >directed the development and implementation of affirmative action >policies and procedures to meet management goals and directives, and >facilitated a climate that utilized the talents and skills of a >diverse workforce. > >(3) Ability to Interact Effectively with a Diverse >Workforce**: Developed and maintained a diverse staff, as well as, >a variety of relationships, such as, senior leadership, managers, >supervisors, individuals, organizations, other government agencies >and contractors. This also included relating well to people from >varied and diverse cultural, racial, ethnic, gender, age, education, >professional background, as well as, dealing effectively with >individuals who are difficult, hostile, or distressed. > >(4) Ability to Communicate in Writing: The ability to produce >complex and specialized written products related to the work of the >position and the supervisory responsibilities in conveying >information in written form such as polices and procedures, planning >documents, performance management documents, program proposals, >reports, memoranda, project plans, and contract proposals. > >(5) Ability to Define and Solve Problems and Make Decisions: The >ability to identify the problem or issue, and to gather, examine, >and interpret information to generate effective solutions to >problems and make sound decisions. This includes the ability to >seek, logically examine, analyze, interpret, and synthesize >information from different sources; generate and evaluate reasonable >alternative solutions and the implications, consequences, and >benefits of choosing each alternative; select the most promising >alternative or course of action; and commit to action, even in >uncertain situations. This includes the willingness to bring issues >into the open and attempt to resolve them in a collaborative manner. > >(6) Ability to Exercise Judgment and Discretion: The Ability to >demonstrate awareness of the likely consequences or implications of >their own actions and ability to work within the context of >agency/organizational/departmental standards. this includes behaving >appropriately in all types of situations, (e.g., with colleagues, >clients, media/press), using discretion, and being sensitive to >confidentiality. > >(7) Ability to Interact Responsibly, Collaboratively, and >Effectively with Others and Build Coalitions and Professional >Networks: The ability to build and maintain an effective working >relationship with senior leadership, managers, supervisors, >individuals, organizations, other government agencies and >contractors. Promoted teaming, and optimize individual and >organizational effectiveness. This includes the ability to marshal >the expertise of other individuals and/or programs to accomplish >goals and articulate problems and issues. > >(8) Ability to Lead and Effect Change: The ability to lead and >effect change in carrying out the organizational mission that >integrates key goals, priorities, values, etc. This includes >championing ideas that promote the mission with enthusiasm, >conviction, and assertiveness; gaining support and commitment from >others; motivating and inspiring others; and applying new and >emerging technologies to improve work efficiencies, productivity, >and customer service. > >(9) Ability to Communicate Orally: The ability to speak clearly, >politely, and under control to peers, staff, managers, supervisors, >and external audiences to both provide and seek information. This >also includes actively listening to and understanding information; >and listening to and answering questions thoughtfully and completely. > >Your resume is important to this application process. It will be >reviewed to determine whether you possess the qualifications >referenced above. All applicants are required to submit a resume >that provides specific information (to include accomplishments, work >experience and education/training) that clearly describes what you >would bring to the position. > > >HOW YOU WILL BE EVALUATED: > > > >The Library of Congress will evaluate applicants using the >information provided in your resume. Reviews are intended to >explore applicants' experience, knowledge, and training directly >related to the job in order to identify the best qualified >applicants for selection. > >For Executive Schedule positions, applicants do not need to respond >to specific competency questions but will be requested to answer one >question related to how they became aware of this job opportunity. >To preview questions please >click >here. > >---------- > > >BENEFITS: > > > > > > > > > > > > >Sent from my iPhone From frandi.galindo at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 14:22:48 2011 From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com (frandi.galindo at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 09:22:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house In-Reply-To: <85304690-9E4D-4AF7-A6B5-B6D78F0C34B3@gmail.com> References: <85304690-9E4D-4AF7-A6B5-B6D78F0C34B3@gmail.com> Message-ID: I say go for it. Your parents can't say who you can see or who you cant. Those days are long gone. Just tell them that its about time you flew the coop, and that you would like to venture out on your own. A person has to start somewhere and moving out is a start. Hope this helps -----Original Message----- From: Ignasi Cambra Díaz Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 3:35 AM To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house Yeah it really doesn't sound like such a great idea… Are you financially independent? Do you have a job? Are you just planning on moving out after graduation but you still want your parents to pay for everything? On Dec 15, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: > Yeah, I have an idea. Don't do it. > > OK, so you didn't ask whether you should do it or not, so if you > decide to do it anyway, you should just tell your parents straight > out. You're an adult and have a right to make whatever decisions about > your living arrangements that you want. Doing this on December 20th, > five days before Christmas, is really bad timing. If you insist on > going through with this, then you should tell them ASAP. Like that > means today. This will get them time to adjust to the idea. > > OK, hope that helps somewhat, but as you might have guessed I'm > really, really against this idea! > > On 15.12.2011, Koby Cox wrote: >> Hello All, >> I'm totally blind and am 19 years old I currently have a girlfriend >> whose 22 years of age. She's legally blind and has cadaracts. I'll be >> graduating highschool on December 20,2011. I'm thinking about moving in >> with her on that day after I get out of school. However, I'm not sure >> how I should explain this to my parents sense they don't want us seeing >> one another. Any ideas? >> Each one of you right back soon, >> Koby. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Nimer M. Jaber > > The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. > If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify > me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken > as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient > may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my > machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible > for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions > or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. > Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these > instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies > of this email from your computer. > > Registered Linux User 529141. > http://counter.li.org/ > Vinux testing and documentation coordinator > To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, > please click here: > http://www.vinuxproject.org > > To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP > and above, please click here: > http://www.nvda-project.org > > Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: > http://nimertech.blogspot.com > > Phone: (720) (251-4530) > Please reply to this email to contact me. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Dec 16 14:48:51 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 08:48:51 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house In-Reply-To: References: <85304690-9E4D-4AF7-A6B5-B6D78F0C34B3@gmail.com> Message-ID: As for me, it would depend on why the parents object to him seeing her. If this is a Christian family, and the girl isn't a Christian, I'd be on the side of the parents, and say that you'd have to honor their wishes, or move out. The Bible is plain about being unequally yoked with unbelievers, but that's a subject for a diferent list. Blessings, Joshua On 12/16/11, frandi.galindo at gmail.com wrote: > I say go for it. Your parents can't say who you can see or who you cant. > Those days are long gone. Just tell them that its about time you flew the > coop, and that you would like to venture out on your own. A person has to > start somewhere and moving out is a start. Hope this helps > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ignasi Cambra Díaz > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 3:35 AM > To: nimerjaber1 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house > > Yeah it really doesn't sound like such a great idea… Are you financially > independent? Do you have a job? Are you just planning on moving out after > graduation but you still want your parents to pay for everything? > On Dec 15, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Nimer M. Jaber, IC³ wrote: > >> Yeah, I have an idea. Don't do it. >> >> OK, so you didn't ask whether you should do it or not, so if you >> decide to do it anyway, you should just tell your parents straight >> out. You're an adult and have a right to make whatever decisions about >> your living arrangements that you want. Doing this on December 20th, >> five days before Christmas, is really bad timing. If you insist on >> going through with this, then you should tell them ASAP. Like that >> means today. This will get them time to adjust to the idea. >> >> OK, hope that helps somewhat, but as you might have guessed I'm >> really, really against this idea! >> >> On 15.12.2011, Koby Cox wrote: >>> Hello All, >>> I'm totally blind and am 19 years old I currently have a girlfriend >>> whose 22 years of age. She's legally blind and has cadaracts. I'll be >>> graduating highschool on December 20,2011. I'm thinking about moving in >>> with her on that day after I get out of school. However, I'm not sure >>> how I should explain this to my parents sense they don't want us seeing >>> one another. Any ideas? >>> Each one of you right back soon, >>> Koby. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nimerjaber1%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Nimer M. Jaber >> >> The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was sent. >> If you believe that you are not the intended recipient, please notify >> me via reply email and destroy all copies of this email. Action taken >> as a result of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient >> may result in civil or criminal action. I have checked all files on my >> machine for security threats. However, I will not be held responsible >> for any damage caused to your machine as a result of any instructions >> or attachments provided by me. Security of your machine is up to you. >> Thanks, and if you don't feel that you are able to comply with these >> instructions, please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies >> of this email from your computer. >> >> Registered Linux User 529141. >> http://counter.li.org/ >> Vinux testing and documentation coordinator >> To get more information about a free and accessible operating system, >> please click here: >> http://www.vinuxproject.org >> >> To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP >> and above, please click here: >> http://www.nvda-project.org >> >> Check out my blog related to technology by clicking here: >> http://nimertech.blogspot.com >> >> Phone: (720) (251-4530) >> Please reply to this email to contact me. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/frandi.galindo%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Dec 16 14:59:36 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 08:59:36 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Moving out of parents' house Message-ID: Hi, it's Joshua Lester. I would like to expand on the subject of moving out of your parents' house. Koby, I'm still at home with my parents, because I'm not financially endependent, (IE,) I don't have a job. Lord knows, I hate living on SSI! I'm going to get my college degree, and hopefully, by then, I can get employed. Then, when I have money coming in, I can move out. If your parents are providing financial support, you need to stay there. If they don't like you seeing this girl, break up with her, because if you don't, your parents won't support you. If you don't have a job, and are not financially endependent, you won't be able to make it. Does your girlfriend have a job? Will you be living with her. Maybe, she has enough income to support both of you. If that's the case, maybe that will work, but if not, I'd stay with the parents, until I get financially endependent. I would have sent this offlist, but I think this will help everyone on the list, dealing with this same situation. This is just common sense, which is sadly lacking in society, today. Blessings, Joshua From BJLejeune at colled.msstate.edu Fri Dec 16 17:07:47 2011 From: BJLejeune at colled.msstate.edu (B.J. LeJeune) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:07:47 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Seasons Greetings In-Reply-To: References: <606DB49021B84B3AAB34E3AEE5606A0E@HUMBERTOAVILA> <6E99C4AAF52D4363876E49A2F06B9D7F@HUMBERTOAVILA> <7.0.1.0.2.20111215222509.01d79e08@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4EEB2683020000F000034FF7@mailhost.groupwise.msstate.edu> MSU-RRTC wishes you a joyful and restful holiday season . . . For RRTC News, visit our newsletter on our website: http://www.blind.msstate.edu/newsletter/ Our Winter 2011 issue includes New! Participant Registry for Blindness and Low Vision Research Research Highlight: Effectiveness of VR Agency-Business Interaction Practices In the Works: Training and TA Mentee Eligibility Recruitment Criteria Expanded! Career Advantage: A Resource for Blind/Visually Impaired Job Seekers Current and archived publications Thanks for reading and passing the word! MSU-RRTC Research and Training Staff From lakeisha.renee at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 17:43:14 2011 From: lakeisha.renee at gmail.com (LaKeisha Holmes) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:43:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Speakers for GABS Monthly Teleconference Message-ID: Good afternoon, My name is LaKeisha Holmes and I was recently elected as president of the Georgia Association of Blind Students. We have teleconferences every fourth Sunday of each month geared towards different topics. Our teleconference next month will be focusing on Washington Seminar. I would like for our students to hear from a fellow student who has experienced the Washington Seminar and who is familiar with the three legislative topics for this upcoming seminar. If you are interested in speaking with the Georgia students, please contact me at lakeisha.renee at gmail.com. Thank you LaKeisha Holmes President Georgia Association of Blind Students LaKeisha Holmes President Georgia Association of Blind Students Phone: 404.580.3040 [The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 18:28:22 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:28:22 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] nabs December membership calls. Message-ID: Hello all, A quick reminder regarding two calls that are coming up on Sunday. The first is only for high school students, so please take note of pass word to any you may know of. The second call is for any and all students. Please take note of start times so you don’t miss out. We hope you enjoy! (For High School Students only!): of Blindness and Federation Philosophy Do you want to learn more about the positive philosophy of blindness that we in the National Federation of the Blind believe in? Join the high school committee as we talk about the NFB’s Philosophy of blindness. When: Sunday, December 18, 2011. 6p.m. ET. (nabs December membership call) Home for the Holidays: Do you have concerns about addressing your blindness with family and friends? Are you wondering about how to approach them about your independence? Joine us on communicating with your family and friends about, blindness, independence, and positive attitudes. When: December 18, 2011 at 7pm Eastern Both calls Will use the Following call-in information. Call: (712)775-7100 Pass code: 257963 Happy holidays! The Nabs membership committee. From trillian551 at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 20:13:37 2011 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:13:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Speakers for GABS Monthly Teleconference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Darling, If you want me to, i'd be happy to do it. Love you. Mary On 12/16/11, LaKeisha Holmes wrote: > Good afternoon, > My name is LaKeisha Holmes and I was recently elected as president of the > Georgia Association of Blind Students. We have teleconferences every fourth > Sunday of each month geared towards different topics. Our teleconference > next month will be focusing on Washington Seminar. I would like for our > students to hear from a fellow student who has experienced the Washington > Seminar and who is familiar with the three legislative topics for this > upcoming seminar. If you are interested in speaking with the Georgia > students, please contact me at lakeisha.renee at gmail.com. > Thank you > LaKeisha Holmes > President > Georgia Association of Blind Students > LaKeisha Holmes > President > Georgia Association of Blind Students > Phone: 404.580.3040 > [The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem > is the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez Emory 2012 "Do I dare Disturb the universe? In a minute there is time For decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse." -- T.S. Eliot From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 21:05:49 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:05:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house Message-ID: <4eebb2b9.86d1e00a.338f.4a12@mx.google.com> Wow! That shows their misconceptions about blindness! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koby Cox" wrote: I wouldn't post it to any blindness-related list, if that list is meant strictly for blindness-related discussion, as this one is. If there's a general chat list out there or a dating list or something like that, you could try that, but I wouldn't post this to a list at all; maybe you could try posting it to your Facebook page or something like that. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koby Cox" Good pinint, Arielle! I will back out of this one, and see what advice you get. Good luck, Koby! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Arielle Silverman wrote: I wouldn't post it to any blindness-related list, if that list is meant strictly for blindness-related discussion, as this one is. If there's a general chat list out there or a dating list or something like that, you could try that, but I wouldn't post this to a list at all; maybe you could try posting it to your Facebook page or something like that. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koby Cox" References: <4eebb2b9.86d1e00a.338f.4a12@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I should have read the original E-mail closer. The financial endependence point still stands. Blessings, Joshua On 12/16/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Wow! That shows their misconceptions about blindness! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Koby Cox" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:33:50 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents > house > > Arielle, > It's because we're both blind. She's legally blind and I'm > totally > blind. > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Arielle Silverman > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:30 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents > house > > Chris and all, > With all due respect, it's possible that the reason Koby's > parents > don't want him to date this girl is because of his blindness, > hers or > both, so it could be blindness-related. Also, this is a list for > blind > students, so we discuss blindness stuff but we also discuss > student > stuff-and decisions about moving out, college, careers, dealing > with > parents etc. is very much a student issue. > I understand you were just trying to be helpful, but to reduce > clutter > on the list, it's best to let NABS officers or the list > moderators > make judgments about what is on or off-topic. Otherwise, we > could end > up with fifty emails back and forth debating about what is on or > off > topic, and the whole point of staying on-topic is to reduce the > number > of messages. (And so this will be my only post on the matter). > Best, > Arielle-former list chair and former NABS president > > On 12/15/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > I wouldn't post it to any blindness-related list, if that list > is > meant strictly for blindness-related discussion, as this one is. > If there's a general chat list out there or a dating list or > something like that, you could try that, but I wouldn't post > this > to a list at all; maybe you could try posting it to your > Facebook > page or something like that. > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the > Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired > youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Koby Cox" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:42:30 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents > house > > Chris, > What mailing list should I post this on? > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:35 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents > house > > Hi Koby, > > Wow! Sorry I can't help you here; I'll just say this. I don't > think this question is really blindness-related, as the fact > that > your parents don't want you to see your girlfriend has nothing > to > do with your blindness. So, I don't think this is a good list > for it. Just my opinion! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the > Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired > youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Koby Cox" To: Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:07:25 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents > house > > Hello All, > I'm totally blind and am 19 years old I currently have a > girlfriend > whose 22 years of age. She's legally blind and has cadaracts. > I'll be > graduating highschool on December 20,2011. I'm thinking about > moving in > with her on that day after I get out of school. However, I'm > not > sure > how I should explain this to my parents sense they don't want us > seeing > one another. Any ideas? > Each one of you right back soon, > Koby. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma > il.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4083 - Release Date: > 12/15/11 > 13:34:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma > il.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4083 - Release Date: > 12/15/11 > 13:34:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From christine-parsons at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 16 21:54:06 2011 From: christine-parsons at sbcglobal.net (Chris Parsons) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 15:54:06 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Services for international students Message-ID: <8E09E999337845A691D3F23E2F8616DC@ChristineTHINK> Hi all, I am working with an international graduate student, and he asked me today how he could obtain a notetaker to use for his studies while he is in the United States. I immediately thought of RSB, but I don’t know if or how that works with international students. Also, he is only going to be here until the end of next semester, so going through the process of opening a case of any kind, even if it were possible, would probably not be practical. I then thought of some type of loan program. I am going to research that option further, but I thought I’d ask here too and see if any of you have any suggestions. I have only just started working with him, so I don’t know any more specific information than this. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. Chris From gpaikens at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 22:01:29 2011 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:01:29 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Services for international students In-Reply-To: <8E09E999337845A691D3F23E2F8616DC@ChristineTHINK> References: <8E09E999337845A691D3F23E2F8616DC@ChristineTHINK> Message-ID: <5C1AB6EC-0387-44C7-86D9-8B0307430EA9@gmail.com> Universities often have an office to help international students with whatever they need. I think that would be the place to start. -Greg On Dec 16, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Chris Parsons wrote: > Hi all, > > I am working with an international graduate student, and he asked me today how he could obtain a notetaker to use for his studies while he is in the United States. I immediately thought of RSB, but I don’t know if or how that works with international students. Also, he is only going to be here until the end of next semester, so going through the process of opening a case of any kind, even if it were possible, would probably not be practical. I then thought of some type of loan program. I am going to research that option further, but I thought I’d ask here too and see if any of you have any suggestions. I have only just started working with him, so I don’t know any more specific information than this. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From cjmc404 at hotmail.com Fri Dec 16 22:10:23 2011 From: cjmc404 at hotmail.com (Cory McMahon) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:10:23 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Services for international students In-Reply-To: <8E09E999337845A691D3F23E2F8616DC@ChristineTHINK> References: <8E09E999337845A691D3F23E2F8616DC@ChristineTHINK> Message-ID: Dear Chris, Perhaps Missouri Assistive Technology could be of assistance to you, as I believe that they have a loan program, although I am unsure as to how it works. Cory -------------------------------------------------- From: "Chris Parsons" Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 3:54 PM To: Subject: [nabs-l] Services for international students > Hi all, > > I am working with an international graduate student, and he asked me today > how he could obtain a notetaker to use for his studies while he is in the > United States. I immediately thought of RSB, but I don’t know if or how > that works with international students. Also, he is only going to be here > until the end of next semester, so going through the process of opening a > case of any kind, even if it were possible, would probably not be > practical. I then thought of some type of loan program. I am going to > research that option further, but I thought I’d ask here too and see if > any of you have any suggestions. I have only just started working with > him, so I don’t know any more specific information than this. Any thoughts > or suggestions would be appreciated. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cjmc404%40hotmail.com > From gpaikens at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 22:14:15 2011 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:14:15 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Services for international students In-Reply-To: References: <8E09E999337845A691D3F23E2F8616DC@ChristineTHINK> Message-ID: My mistake. I didn't catch that the student was also blind. I was thinking of a person to help take notes. Dismiss my last reply. -Greg On Dec 16, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Cory McMahon wrote: > Dear Chris, > > Perhaps Missouri Assistive Technology could be of assistance to you, as I believe that they have a loan program, although I am unsure as to how it works. > > Cory > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Chris Parsons" > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 3:54 PM > To: > Subject: [nabs-l] Services for international students > >> Hi all, >> >> I am working with an international graduate student, and he asked me today how he could obtain a notetaker to use for his studies while he is in the United States. I immediately thought of RSB, but I don’t know if or how that works with international students. Also, he is only going to be here until the end of next semester, so going through the process of opening a case of any kind, even if it were possible, would probably not be practical. I then thought of some type of loan program. I am going to research that option further, but I thought I’d ask here too and see if any of you have any suggestions. I have only just started working with him, so I don’t know any more specific information than this. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. >> >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cjmc404%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 22:15:08 2011 From: adrianne.dempsey at gmail.com (Andi) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:15:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Services for international students In-Reply-To: <8E09E999337845A691D3F23E2F8616DC@ChristineTHINK> References: <8E09E999337845A691D3F23E2F8616DC@ChristineTHINK> Message-ID: I have a very old and out of date brail note clasic but it still works and I do not use it anymore. Find out if the studint might be interested. I know it isn't the best option because it is out of date, but it is better than nothing if you don't have a better option. Email me off list if interested. Andi -----Original Message----- From: Chris Parsons Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 4:54 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Services for international students Hi all, I am working with an international graduate student, and he asked me today how he could obtain a notetaker to use for his studies while he is in the United States. I immediately thought of RSB, but I don’t know if or how that works with international students. Also, he is only going to be here until the end of next semester, so going through the process of opening a case of any kind, even if it were possible, would probably not be practical. I then thought of some type of loan program. I am going to research that option further, but I thought I’d ask here too and see if any of you have any suggestions. I have only just started working with him, so I don’t know any more specific information than this. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. Chris _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 22:24:01 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:24:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page NoLongerAccessible Message-ID: <4eebc50d.c8bee00a.4a79.5e3f@mx.google.com> Wow! Yahoo and accessible; two words I thought I would never hear in the same sentence! Well, now it's true! I'm still sticking with my Gmail account, but even with that I'm mainly using a third-party email client. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Carly ,National Association of Blind Students mailing list wrote: Hello Joshua, I just looked at this myself and, to my knowledge, they are using sliders that you can slide with a mouse instead of combo boxes, checkboxes and radio buttons. These sliders, of course, are not accessible with JAWS and NVDA. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:48 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No LongerAccessible It is accessible. It says, "Screenreader users, click here." Blessings, Joshua On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila wrote: I am bringing this to your attention as it looks like this change occurred just today. Please read on. This company is facing another possible lawsuit. -----Original Message----- From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:13 AM To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org Subject: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer Accessible Hi list. Has anyone else noticed that you can no longer change your search preferences on the Google Search Settings page? The radio boxes previously used to select a particular option under each heading seem to have vanished. For instance, under the Google Instant heading, On and Off are listed, but there are no radio or check boxes to select the option you want. And under the Number of Search Results Per Page heading, the numbers 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 and 100 are listed, but there seems to be no way to select the number you want. And nothing happens when you hit Space or Enter on the Save button, so there is apparently no way to activate it to save your preferences like you could before. I have tried JAWS 9, NVDA and SA to Go with both IE 8 and Firefox, but can't select anything on the Search Settings page no matter what screen reader/browser combination I try. Has Google suddenly made its Search Settings page inaccessible, and is there any work around for this problem? Google seems to be becoming less and less accessible every day. Maybe the NFB should look into this issue. Thanks for any feedback. Gerald _______________________________________________ gui-talk mailing list gui-talk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for gui-talk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert. humberto2%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.p ccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu mberto2%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea rthlink.net WARNING: The remainder of this message has not been transferred. The estimated size of this message is 2019591155 bytes. Click on the Retrieve From Server icon above and check mail again to get the whole thing. (If you're reading this in the preview pane, you'll need to open the message to see the icon.) If the Retrieve From Server icon is not showing, then this message is no longer on the server. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From christine-parsons at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 16 22:24:49 2011 From: christine-parsons at sbcglobal.net (Chris Parsons) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:24:49 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Services for international students In-Reply-To: References: <8E09E999337845A691D3F23E2F8616DC@ChristineTHINK> Message-ID: Greg and all, No problem. My apologies. I was not very clear in my initial message. The student is looking for a Braille notetaker rather than a person to take notes in class. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Greg Aikens Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 4:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Services for international students My mistake. I didn't catch that the student was also blind. I was thinking of a person to help take notes. Dismiss my last reply. -Greg On Dec 16, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Cory McMahon wrote: > Dear Chris, > > Perhaps Missouri Assistive Technology could be of assistance to you, as I > believe that they have a loan program, although I am unsure as to how it > works. > > Cory > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Chris Parsons" > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 3:54 PM > To: > Subject: [nabs-l] Services for international students > >> Hi all, >> >> I am working with an international graduate student, and he asked me >> today how he could obtain a notetaker to use for his studies while he is >> in the United States. I immediately thought of RSB, but I don’t know if >> or how that works with international students. Also, he is only going to >> be here until the end of next semester, so going through the process of >> opening a case of any kind, even if it were possible, would probably not >> be practical. I then thought of some type of loan program. I am going to >> research that option further, but I thought I’d ask here too and see if >> any of you have any suggestions. I have only just started working with >> him, so I don’t know any more specific information than this. Any >> thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. >> >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cjmc404%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christine-parsons%40sbcglobal.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Dec 16 22:29:18 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:29:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page NoLongerAccessible In-Reply-To: <4eebc50d.c8bee00a.4a79.5e3f@mx.google.com> References: <4eebc50d.c8bee00a.4a79.5e3f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Chris, how did you get your GMail service? I did contact Web Visom's people, but they never responded. I also found out, that it only works with Firefox. I need something that will work for Internet Explorer. They seriously need to fix their audio captcha! Thanks, Joshua On 12/16/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Wow! Yahoo and accessible; two words I thought I would never hear > in the same sentence! Well, now it's true! I'm still sticking > with my Gmail account, but even with that I'm mainly using a > third-party email client. > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carly To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > ,National Association of Blind Students > mailing list Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:25:42 -0800 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page > NoLongerAccessible > > > YAHOO seems to be more accessable, than Gmail.At 03:59 PM > 12/13/2011, > Joshua Lester wrote: > I haven't had any problems doing searches. > Navigating other parts of the site, may be a problem. > Even GMail's audio Captcha is inaccessible. > It won't play. > Google has a long way to go, as far as accessibility is > concerned. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila > wrote: > Hello Joshua, > > I just looked at this myself and, to my knowledge, they are > using sliders > that you can slide with a mouse instead of combo boxes, > checkboxes and radio > buttons. These sliders, of course, are not accessible with JAWS > and NVDA. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:48 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page > No > LongerAccessible > > It is accessible. > It says, "Screenreader users, click here." > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila > wrote: > I am bringing this to your attention as it looks like this > change occurred > just today. Please read on. This company is facing another > possible > lawsuit. > > -----Original Message----- > From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Gerald Levy > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:13 AM > To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org > Subject: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer > Accessible > > > Hi list. Has anyone else noticed that you can no longer change > your > search > preferences on the Google Search Settings page? The radio boxes > previously > used to select a particular option under each heading seem to > have > vanished. > For instance, under the Google Instant heading, On and Off are > listed, but > there are no radio or check boxes to select the option you want. > And > under > the Number of Search Results Per Page heading, the numbers 10, > 20, 30, 40, > 50 and 100 are listed, but there seems to be no way to select > the number > you > want. And nothing happens when you hit Space or Enter on the > Save button, > so there is apparently no way to activate it to save your > preferences like > you could before. I have tried JAWS 9, NVDA and SA to Go with > both IE 8 > and > Firefox, but can't select anything on the Search Settings page > no matter > what screen reader/browser combination I try. Has Google > suddenly made > its > Search Settings page inaccessible, and is there any work around > for this > problem? Google seems to be becoming less and less accessible > every day. > Maybe the NFB should look into this issue. Thanks for any > feedback. > > Gerald > > _______________________________________________ > gui-talk mailing list > gui-talk at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > gui-talk: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert. > humberto2%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.p > ccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu > mberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea > rthlink.net > > > > WARNING: The remainder of this message has not been transferred. > The estimated size of this message is 2019591155 bytes. > Click on the Retrieve From Server icon above and check mail again > to > get the whole thing. 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If the > Retrieve > From Server icon is not showing, then this message is no longer > on the server. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Dec 16 22:30:35 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:30:35 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Services for international students In-Reply-To: References: <8E09E999337845A691D3F23E2F8616DC@ChristineTHINK> Message-ID: Ms Parsons, are you a TVI? I'm just curious. Thanks, Joshua On 12/16/11, Chris Parsons wrote: > Greg and all, > > No problem. My apologies. I was not very clear in my initial message. The > student is looking for a Braille notetaker rather than a person to take > notes in class. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Aikens > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 4:14 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Services for international students > > My mistake. I didn't catch that the student was also blind. I was thinking > of a person to help take notes. Dismiss my last reply. > > -Greg > On Dec 16, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Cory McMahon wrote: > >> Dear Chris, >> >> Perhaps Missouri Assistive Technology could be of assistance to you, as I >> believe that they have a loan program, although I am unsure as to how it >> works. >> >> Cory >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Chris Parsons" >> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 3:54 PM >> To: >> Subject: [nabs-l] Services for international students >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I am working with an international graduate student, and he asked me >>> today how he could obtain a notetaker to use for his studies while he is >>> in the United States. I immediately thought of RSB, but I don’t know if >>> or how that works with international students. Also, he is only going to >>> be here until the end of next semester, so going through the process of >>> opening a case of any kind, even if it were possible, would probably not >>> be practical. I then thought of some type of loan program. I am going to >>> research that option further, but I thought I’d ask here too and see if >>> any of you have any suggestions. I have only just started working with >>> him, so I don’t know any more specific information than this. Any >>> thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. >>> >>> Chris >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cjmc404%40hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christine-parsons%40sbcglobal.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 22:57:37 2011 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:57:37 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] On Personal Matters and List serve posts Message-ID: Hello all, I think that matters such as this arn't so much blindness based as much as they are familial. I typically would ask friends before posting such a personal topic to a public list serve. While I don't doubt that there are some really nice and considerate people on a list such as the nabs list, I do believe that the best advice on personal matters come from the friends in my life. They generally know better than most where my head/heart is at on matters and can guide me based upon those things. I think that is something to keep in mind when posting to a list serve. I hope this is helpful toall. Darian On 12/16/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > I should have read the original E-mail closer. > The financial endependence point still stands. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/16/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Wow! That shows their misconceptions about blindness! >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, >> 1968-1986 >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth >> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing >> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions >> which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more >> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit >> us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Koby Cox" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:33:50 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents >> house >> >> Arielle, >> It's because we're both blind. She's legally blind and I'm >> totally >> blind. >> Koby. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:30 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents >> house >> >> Chris and all, >> With all due respect, it's possible that the reason Koby's >> parents >> don't want him to date this girl is because of his blindness, >> hers or >> both, so it could be blindness-related. Also, this is a list for >> blind >> students, so we discuss blindness stuff but we also discuss >> student >> stuff-and decisions about moving out, college, careers, dealing >> with >> parents etc. is very much a student issue. >> I understand you were just trying to be helpful, but to reduce >> clutter >> on the list, it's best to let NABS officers or the list >> moderators >> make judgments about what is on or off-topic. Otherwise, we >> could end >> up with fifty emails back and forth debating about what is on or >> off >> topic, and the whole point of staying on-topic is to reduce the >> number >> of messages. (And so this will be my only post on the matter). >> Best, >> Arielle-former list chair and former NABS president >> >> On 12/15/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> I wouldn't post it to any blindness-related list, if that list >> is >> meant strictly for blindness-related discussion, as this one is. >> If there's a general chat list out there or a dating list or >> something like that, you could try that, but I wouldn't post >> this >> to a list at all; maybe you could try posting it to your >> Facebook >> page or something like that. >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the >> Blind, >> 1968-1986 >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired >> youth >> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing >> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions >> which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more >> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit >> us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Koby Cox" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:42:30 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents >> house >> >> Chris, >> What mailing list should I post this on? >> Koby. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:35 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents >> house >> >> Hi Koby, >> >> Wow! Sorry I can't help you here; I'll just say this. I don't >> think this question is really blindness-related, as the fact >> that >> your parents don't want you to see your girlfriend has nothing >> to >> do with your blindness. So, I don't think this is a good list >> for it. Just my opinion! >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the >> Blind, >> 1968-1986 >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired >> youth >> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing >> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions >> which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more >> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit >> us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Koby Cox" > To: > Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:07:25 -0600 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents >> house >> >> Hello All, >> I'm totally blind and am 19 years old I currently have a >> girlfriend >> whose 22 years of age. She's legally blind and has cadaracts. >> I'll be >> graduating highschool on December 20,2011. I'm thinking about >> moving in >> with her on that day after I get out of school. However, I'm >> not >> sure >> how I should explain this to my parents sense they don't want us >> seeing >> one another. Any ideas? >> Each one of you right back soon, >> Koby. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma >> il.com >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4083 - Release Date: >> 12/15/11 >> 13:34:00 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >> mail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma >> il.com >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4083 - Release Date: >> 12/15/11 >> 13:34:00 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > -- Darian Smith "To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the formula for a life well lived." - Dr. Peter Benson From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Dec 16 23:32:51 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:32:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house In-Reply-To: References: <4eebb2b9.86d1e00a.338f.4a12@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I missed that they were both legally blind in the first email too. Yikes. a sticky situation. I hope it works out. Do work out things like finances before committing to a lease. Hope it works out. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 4:22 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house I should have read the original E-mail closer. The financial endependence point still stands. Blessings, Joshua On 12/16/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Wow! That shows their misconceptions about blindness! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Koby Cox" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:33:50 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents > house > > Arielle, > It's because we're both blind. She's legally blind and I'm > totally > blind. > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Arielle Silverman > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:30 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents > house > > Chris and all, > With all due respect, it's possible that the reason Koby's > parents > don't want him to date this girl is because of his blindness, > hers or > both, so it could be blindness-related. Also, this is a list for > blind > students, so we discuss blindness stuff but we also discuss > student > stuff-and decisions about moving out, college, careers, dealing > with > parents etc. is very much a student issue. > I understand you were just trying to be helpful, but to reduce > clutter > on the list, it's best to let NABS officers or the list > moderators > make judgments about what is on or off-topic. Otherwise, we > could end > up with fifty emails back and forth debating about what is on or > off > topic, and the whole point of staying on-topic is to reduce the > number > of messages. (And so this will be my only post on the matter). > Best, > Arielle-former list chair and former NABS president > > On 12/15/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > I wouldn't post it to any blindness-related list, if that list > is > meant strictly for blindness-related discussion, as this one is. > If there's a general chat list out there or a dating list or > something like that, you could try that, but I wouldn't post > this > to a list at all; maybe you could try posting it to your > Facebook > page or something like that. > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the > Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired > youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Koby Cox" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:42:30 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents > house > > Chris, > What mailing list should I post this on? > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:35 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents > house > > Hi Koby, > > Wow! Sorry I can't help you here; I'll just say this. I don't > think this question is really blindness-related, as the fact > that > your parents don't want you to see your girlfriend has nothing > to > do with your blindness. So, I don't think this is a good list > for it. Just my opinion! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the > Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired > youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Koby Cox" To: Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:07:25 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents > house > > Hello All, > I'm totally blind and am 19 years old I currently have a > girlfriend > whose 22 years of age. She's legally blind and has cadaracts. > I'll be > graduating highschool on December 20,2011. I'm thinking about > moving in > with her on that day after I get out of school. However, I'm > not > sure > how I should explain this to my parents sense they don't want us > seeing > one another. Any ideas? > Each one of you right back soon, > Koby. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma > il.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4083 - Release Date: > 12/15/11 > 13:34:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma > il.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4083 - Release Date: > 12/15/11 > 13:34:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From lakeisha.renee at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 23:34:39 2011 From: lakeisha.renee at gmail.com (LaKeisha Holmes) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:34:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Speakers for GABS Monthly Teleconference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <794D9663-3438-43B0-9EC3-2D6AD6B1DCEA@gmail.com> Ok, thanks Mary! Love you too!! On Dec 16, 2011, at 3:13 PM, Mary Fernandez wrote: > Hey Darling, > If you want me to, i'd be happy to do it. Love you. > Mary > > > On 12/16/11, LaKeisha Holmes wrote: >> Good afternoon, >> My name is LaKeisha Holmes and I was recently elected as president of the >> Georgia Association of Blind Students. We have teleconferences every fourth >> Sunday of each month geared towards different topics. Our teleconference >> next month will be focusing on Washington Seminar. I would like for our >> students to hear from a fellow student who has experienced the Washington >> Seminar and who is familiar with the three legislative topics for this >> upcoming seminar. If you are interested in speaking with the Georgia >> students, please contact me at lakeisha.renee at gmail.com. >> Thank you >> LaKeisha Holmes >> President >> Georgia Association of Blind Students >> LaKeisha Holmes >> President >> Georgia Association of Blind Students >> Phone: 404.580.3040 >> [The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem >> is the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > Emory 2012 > "Do I dare > Disturb the universe? > In a minute there is time > For decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse." > -- > T.S. Eliot > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lakeisha.renee%40gmail.com LaKeisha Holmes President Georgia Association of Blind Students Phone: 404.580.3040 [The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Dec 16 23:38:02 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:38:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings PageNoLongerAccessible In-Reply-To: References: <4eebc50d.c8bee00a.4a79.5e3f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0AD5709767FE4B00ABEB7B1F37DA28E4@OwnerPC> Josh, get someone to read you the letters of the captcha. Audio ones do not work well for me either as they are either too soft or unclear to understand. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 5:29 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings PageNoLongerAccessible Chris, how did you get your GMail service? I did contact Web Visom's people, but they never responded. I also found out, that it only works with Firefox. I need something that will work for Internet Explorer. They seriously need to fix their audio captcha! Thanks, Joshua On 12/16/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Wow! Yahoo and accessible; two words I thought I would never hear > in the same sentence! Well, now it's true! I'm still sticking > with my Gmail account, but even with that I'm mainly using a > third-party email client. > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carly To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > ,National Association of Blind Students > mailing list Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:25:42 -0800 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page > NoLongerAccessible > > > YAHOO seems to be more accessable, than Gmail.At 03:59 PM > 12/13/2011, > Joshua Lester wrote: > I haven't had any problems doing searches. > Navigating other parts of the site, may be a problem. > Even GMail's audio Captcha is inaccessible. > It won't play. > Google has a long way to go, as far as accessibility is > concerned. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila > wrote: > Hello Joshua, > > I just looked at this myself and, to my knowledge, they are > using sliders > that you can slide with a mouse instead of combo boxes, > checkboxes and radio > buttons. These sliders, of course, are not accessible with JAWS > and NVDA. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:48 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page > No > LongerAccessible > > It is accessible. > It says, "Screenreader users, click here." > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila > wrote: > I am bringing this to your attention as it looks like this > change occurred > just today. Please read on. This company is facing another > possible > lawsuit. > > -----Original Message----- > From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Gerald Levy > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:13 AM > To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org > Subject: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer > Accessible > > > Hi list. Has anyone else noticed that you can no longer change > your > search > preferences on the Google Search Settings page? The radio boxes > previously > used to select a particular option under each heading seem to > have > vanished. > For instance, under the Google Instant heading, On and Off are > listed, but > there are no radio or check boxes to select the option you want. > And > under > the Number of Search Results Per Page heading, the numbers 10, > 20, 30, 40, > 50 and 100 are listed, but there seems to be no way to select > the number > you > want. And nothing happens when you hit Space or Enter on the > Save button, > so there is apparently no way to activate it to save your > preferences like > you could before. I have tried JAWS 9, NVDA and SA to Go with > both IE 8 > and > Firefox, but can't select anything on the Search Settings page > no matter > what screen reader/browser combination I try. Has Google > suddenly made > its > Search Settings page inaccessible, and is there any work around > for this > problem? Google seems to be becoming less and less accessible > every day. > Maybe the NFB should look into this issue. Thanks for any > feedback. > > Gerald > > _______________________________________________ > gui-talk mailing list > gui-talk at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > gui-talk: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert. > humberto2%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.p > ccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu > mberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea > rthlink.net > > > > WARNING: The remainder of this message has not been transferred. > The estimated size of this message is 2019591155 bytes. > Click on the Retrieve From Server icon above and check mail again > to > get the whole thing. 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If the > Retrieve > From Server icon is not showing, then this message is no longer > on the server. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From carlymih at earthlink.net Sat Dec 17 01:03:19 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:03:19 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Services for international students In-Reply-To: References: <8E09E999337845A691D3F23E2F8616DC@ChristineTHINK> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20111216170113.01e03b10@earthlink.net> Hi, Chris, Perhaps, you don't want to seem dismissive to kid's native, language and culture? Like, is he interested in potential, materials in his native language? Or, is he all into this it's gotta be Englsih, construct?? rhe from At 02:10 PM 12/16/2011, Cory McMahon wrote: >Dear Chris, Perhaps Missouri Assistive >Technology could be of assistance to you, as I >believe that they have a loan program, although >I am unsure as to how it works. Cory >-------------------------------------------------- >From: "Chris Parsons" > Sent: Friday, >December 16, 2011 3:54 PM To: > Subject: [nabs-l] Services >for international students > Hi all, > > I am >working with an international graduate student, >and he asked me today > how he could obtain a >notetaker to use for his studies while he is in >the > United States. I immediately thought of >RSB, but I don’t know if or how > that works >with international students. Also, he is only >going to be here > until the end of next >semester, so going through the process of >opening a > case of any kind, even if it were >possible, would probably not be > practical. I >then thought of some type of loan program. I am >going to > research that option further, but I >thought I’d ask here too and see if > any of >you have any suggestions. I have only just >started working with > him, so I don’t know >any more specific information than this. Any >thoughts > or suggestions would be >appreciated. > > Chris > >_______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for > nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cjmc404%40hotmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > From AllisonH at benetech.org Sat Dec 17 01:07:00 2011 From: AllisonH at benetech.org (Allison Hilliker) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:07:00 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Join the national Bookshare Education Advisory Panel! Message-ID: Hello everyone, Are you a student who would like to change the world? Bookshare is actively recruiting two student representatives to join the national Bookshare Education Advisory Panel. The Advisory Panel brings together accessibility and education experts from around the country to guide and inform the efforts of Bookshare, the largest on-line library of accessible e-books in the world. The student representatives play a key role on the Advisory Panel and their input is highly valued. The Advisory Panel meets four times a year. Three of the meetings are phone conferences, and once a year, the entire board meets in person. These students will advise the Panel on matters of accessibility and the use of Bookshare by college and university students. We are looking for candidates who can represent students with print disabilities who use assistive technologies for reading. We would like to submit our final candidate choices to the Department of Education by mid January for their approval. If you are an interested student or know of a student who would be a good representative, please let them know about this exciting opportunity and forward my contact information. Requirements * Student must be currently enrolled in a post secondary course of study * Student must be a Bookshare member * Student must be 18 years of age or older If you have questions, please feel free to contact Cherie Miller, University Program Manager at Bookshare. Cheriem at bookshare.org. Best, Allison Hilliker Collection Development Associate www.bookshare.org allisonh at benetech.org From carlymih at earthlink.net Sat Dec 17 01:43:11 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:43:11 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house In-Reply-To: <4eea923a.0aaee00a.5fa3.ffffbc90@mx.google.com> References: <4eea923a.0aaee00a.5fa3.ffffbc90@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20111216173838.01e1dc98@earthlink.net> Hi, Chris amd others, Perhaps, Koby uis just venting about his beloved, woman. I think it offally insensitive of you to tell Koby to move his issue elseware. 04:34 PM 12/15/2011, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >Hi Koby, > >Wow! Sorry I can't help you here; I'll just say this. I don't think >this question is really blindness-related, as the fact that your >parents don't want you to see your girlfriend has nothing to do with >your blindness. So, I don't think this is a good list for it. Just >my opinion! > >Chris > >"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, >blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." >-- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 > >The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in >Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive >technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them >be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the >Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Koby Cox" To: Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:07:25 -0600 >Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house > >Hello All, >I'm totally blind and am 19 years old I currently have a girlfriend >whose 22 years of age. She's legally blind and has cadaracts. >I'll be >graduating highschool on December 20,2011. I'm thinking about moving in >with her on that day after I get out of school. However, I'm not sure >how I should explain this to my parents sense they don't want us seeing >one another. Any ideas? >Each one of you right back soon, >Koby. >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >m%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From carlymih at earthlink.net Sat Dec 17 01:51:16 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:51:16 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No LongerAccessible In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20111215222509.01d79e08@earthlink.net> References: <606DB49021B84B3AAB34E3AEE5606A0E@HUMBERTOAVILA> <6E99C4AAF52D4363876E49A2F06B9D7F@HUMBERTOAVILA> <7.0.1.0.2.20111215222509.01d79e08@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20111216175036.01e10b48@earthlink.net> Relative to Gmail, YAHOO seems to be used by blind, folksAt 10:25 PM 12/15/2011, Carly wrote: >YAHOO seems to be more accessable, than Gmail.At 03:59 PM >12/13/2011, Joshua Lester wrote: >>I haven't had any problems doing searches. >>Navigating other parts of the site, may be a problem. >>Even GMail's audio Captcha is inaccessible. >>It won't play. >>Google has a long way to go, as far as accessibility is concerned. >>Blessings, Joshua >> >>On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >> > Hello Joshua, >> > >> > I just looked at this myself and, to my knowledge, they are using sliders >> > that you can slide with a mouse instead of combo boxes, >> checkboxes and radio >> > buttons. These sliders, of course, are not accessible with JAWS and NVDA. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> > Of Joshua Lester >> > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:48 PM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No >> > LongerAccessible >> > >> > It is accessible. >> > It says, "Screenreader users, click here." >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >> >> I am bringing this to your attention as it looks like this >> change occurred >> >> just today. Please read on. This company is facing another possible >> > lawsuit. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> >> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >> >> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:13 AM >> >> To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org >> >> Subject: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer Accessible >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi list. Has anyone else noticed that you can no longer change your >> > search >> >> preferences on the Google Search Settings page? The radio boxes >> > previously >> >> used to select a particular option under each heading seem to have >> > vanished. >> >> For instance, under the Google Instant heading, On and Off are >> listed, but >> >> there are no radio or check boxes to select the option you want. And >> > under >> >> the Number of Search Results Per Page heading, the numbers 10, >> 20, 30, 40, >> >> 50 and 100 are listed, but there seems to be no way to select the number >> > you >> >> want. And nothing happens when you hit Space or Enter on the >> Save button, >> >> so there is apparently no way to activate it to save your >> preferences like >> >> you could before. I have tried JAWS 9, NVDA and SA to Go with both IE 8 >> > and >> >> Firefox, but can't select anything on the Search Settings page no matter >> >> what screen reader/browser combination I try. Has Google suddenly made >> > its >> >> Search Settings page inaccessible, and is there any work around for this >> >> problem? Google seems to be becoming less and less accessible every day. >> >> Maybe the NFB should look into this issue. Thanks for any feedback. >> >> >> >> Gerald >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> gui-talk mailing list >> >> gui-talk at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> gui-talk: >> >> >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%4 >> >> 0gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >> > ccua.edu >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g >> > mail.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >>WARNING: The remainder of this message has not been transferred. >>The estimated size of this message is 2019591155 bytes. >>Click on the Retrieve From Server icon above and check mail again >>to get the whole thing. (If you're reading this in the preview >>pane, you'll need to open the message to see the icon.) If the >>Retrieve From Server icon is not showing, then this message is no >>longer on the server. > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 02:05:25 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 21:05:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] fw: holiday greetings to all! Message-ID: <4eebf8f0.056ae00a.7a78.6aa2@mx.google.com> Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all this season! May they be filled with family, friends, fun, and many memories! And, for us Christians, let's not forget the true meaning of Christmas!! Please read below for a great Christmas passage sent to me through the BrailleNote list. Merry Christmas to all, Chris Nusbaum ---- Original Message ------ From: mbern6516 at aol.com Subject: [Braillenote] holiday greetings to all Date sent: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:17:46 -0500 (EST) This is for all the members on the mailing lists mentioned above: Just wanted to pop in, and spread a bit of holiday cheer to all of you, with the following passage: What do we love about Christmas; Does our delight reside in things? Or are the feelings in our hearts The real gift that Christmas brings. It's seeing those we love, And sending Christmas cards, too, Appreciating people who bring us joy Special people just like you. I hope you all have a safe, enjoyable Christmas and New Year. If Christmas is not the holiday celebrated in your individual culture, hope you have a safe and happy holiday, whatever it may be. Mike Rochester, NY. ___ Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a copy to the list as well. To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe at list.humanware.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 02:05:22 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 21:05:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Seasons Greetings Message-ID: <4eebf8ee.056ae00a.7a78.6a9f@mx.google.com> Merry Christmas and happy holidays (whatever you are celebrating) to all this holiday season! May the season be filled with family, friends, and fun! Wishing you a very merry Christmas, Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "B.J. LeJeune" From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 02:05:26 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 21:05:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Speakers for GABS Monthly Teleconference Message-ID: <4eebf8f2.056ae00a.7a78.6aa3@mx.google.com> Hi LaKeisha, If she would accept my recommendation, I would suggest Arielle Silverman. She is very familiar with Washington Seminar, as she has shown in her posts to this list, and I think she would be a great resource for your students. Hope this helps and good luck in finding speakers! By the way, I couldn't help but notice that you have the "real problem of blindness" quote from Dr. Jernigan in your email signature! I finally found a person who has that quote in their signature besides me; yea! * Smile! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: LaKeisha Holmes I agree, it does! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Wow! That shows their misconceptions about blindness! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koby Cox" wrote: I wouldn't post it to any blindness-related list, if that list is meant strictly for blindness-related discussion, as this one is. If there's a general chat list out there or a dating list or something like that, you could try that, but I wouldn't post this to a list at all; maybe you could try posting it to your Facebook page or something like that. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Koby Cox" References: <82F5570B750149679722C03C4F1C6EDE@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <07cc01ccbc8a$c53b0530$4fb10f90$@comcast.net> Hello Katie and all, As to forwarding all of your school's email to your personal account is very fine indeed. When I was at ucd which is the university of Colorado at Denver I did this since their webmail service wasn't accessible with jfw and, this worked out fine with using the Comcast webmail feature. But, when I transferred to metro state college in Denver I just used their web mail feature which was okay... But, now the Comcast webmail site isn't accessible with jfw anymore and, I'm using windows 7 on my laptop I decided to use ms office outlook. It works pretty well with jfw with some playing around. Anyway, I hope this is helpful for you. Take care and, I will talk to you all soon! Happy holidays, >From amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 2:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 Hi Katie, I used to have my school email auto-forward to my Gmail and this worked fine for me for several years. I decided to change because I like having a little separation between my school/work and personal/fun email. Also, I occasionally had to post messages on school-related listservs from my school email address. But for the most part, forwarding everything to Gmail worked fine. Arielle On 12/10/11, Koby Cox wrote: > Katie, > Can you please email me off list? My email address is: > kobycox at gmail.com. > Thanks, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Katie Wang > Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 12:41 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 > > Thanks for all the suggestions! Thunderbird sounds like a very > promising solution. Does it have keyboard shortcuts for things like > creating, replying to, and forwarding mail? Is the address book > feature user-friendly? Like Arielle I also use the basic html web > version for gmail but need an email client for my university email > account. Of course, I could potentially have my university mail > automatically forwarded to my gmail account, which I hear is a common > practice among my fellow students. > > On 12/10/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Carley, >> Eudora is eudora regardless of what operating system you have. So how > do you >> like it? Are there keystrokes for all the clicking a mouse does. >> Like do you press control N for new message? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Carly >> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 1:17 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National >> Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 >> >> >> Hi, I use an ancient, version of both the OS and Eudora. As ai said, >> I didn't realize you'all were talking about using Eudora, with W7. >> Sorry for the confusion! >> C. At 06:07 PM 12/9/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>Carley, >>>I've thought about getting that. Can you explain? Is eudora for > purchase? >>>Can you still sort email into folders? Does it have a menu system? >>> >>>-----Original Message----- From: Carly >>>Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 7:46 PM >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 >>> >>> >>>Without having experienced any other email clients, I hear Eudora is >>>buy far, the simplest. Not exactly fancy or particularly modern, it >>>cannot be beat in simplisity. At 10:15 AM 12/9/2011, Katie Wang wrote: >>>>Hi all, >>>>I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used >>>>Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple >>>>interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows > 7, >>>>and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. >>>>I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is >>>>definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more >>>>complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process >>>>of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over >>>>time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? >>>>For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office >>>>Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? 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I will definitely will check this out for sure! I must've been a very good girl to receive this since I wasn't on the naughty list this year! Lol... anyway, thanks again and happy holidays! Hugs always, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:11 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] A Christmas Present For Nabs: The New Nabslinkaudio.org Is Live Hi All! Whether you've all been naughty or nice, I've decided to play Santa alittle earlier this year, and give you the brand new NabslinkAudio web site. All calls on the site are what I have available to me to give to you. Go check out the newNabsLinkAudio site at http://www.nabslinkaudio.org Enjoy! >From David _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net From amylsabo at comcast.net Sat Dec 17 07:24:55 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 00:24:55 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A Christmas Present For Nabs: The New Nabslinkaudio.org Is Live In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07cf01ccbc8c$fa53a1d0$eefae570$@comcast.net> Dear david, I just saw the site that you did for thenabslink site and, I love it! I will listen to it this weekend or when I get a free moment which is rare imo! Anyway, I just wanted to say thank you for doing this for nabs and, have a wonderful holiday! Hugs always, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:11 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] A Christmas Present For Nabs: The New Nabslinkaudio.org Is Live Hi All! Whether you've all been naughty or nice, I've decided to play Santa alittle earlier this year, and give you the brand new NabslinkAudio web site. All calls on the site are what I have available to me to give to you. Go check out the newNabsLinkAudio site at http://www.nabslinkaudio.org Enjoy! >From David _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net From ignasicambra at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 07:29:04 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:29:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Services for international students In-Reply-To: <5C1AB6EC-0387-44C7-86D9-8B0307430EA9@gmail.com> References: <8E09E999337845A691D3F23E2F8616DC@ChristineTHINK> <5C1AB6EC-0387-44C7-86D9-8B0307430EA9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7709800133099434030@unknownmsgid> I know the adaptive technology center in my school has some equipment for blind students to use, such as laptops etc. You can borrow things as long as you are enrolled in classes. I know all schools are different but it's probably worth asking. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 16, 2011, at 5:02 PM, Greg Aikens wrote: > Universities often have an office to help international students with whatever they need. I think that would be the place to start. > > -Greg > On Dec 16, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Chris Parsons wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I am working with an international graduate student, and he asked me today how he could obtain a notetaker to use for his studies while he is in the United States. I immediately thought of RSB, but I don’t know if or how that works with international students. Also, he is only going to be here until the end of next semester, so going through the process of opening a case of any kind, even if it were possible, would probably not be practical. I then thought of some type of loan program. I am going to research that option further, but I thought I’d ask here too and see if any of you have any suggestions. I have only just started working with him, so I don’t know any more specific information than this. Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. >> >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 07:29:41 2011 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:29:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A Christmas Present For Nabs: The New Nabslinkaudio.org Is Live In-Reply-To: <07cf01ccbc8c$fa53a1d0$eefae570$@comcast.net> References: <07cf01ccbc8c$fa53a1d0$eefae570$@comcast.net> Message-ID: It's there, look for a link on the main page. On 12/17/11, Amy Sabo wrote: > Dear david, > > I just saw the site that you did for thenabslink site and, I love > it! I will listen to it this weekend or when I get a free moment > which is rare imo! > > Anyway, I just wanted to say thank you for doing this for nabs > and, have a wonderful holiday! > > > > Hugs always, > amy > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:11 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] A Christmas Present For Nabs: The New > Nabslinkaudio.org Is Live > > Hi All! > Whether you've all been naughty or nice, I've decided to play > Santa alittle earlier this year, and give you the brand new > NabslinkAudio web site. > All calls on the site are what I have available to me to give to > you. > Go check out the newNabsLinkAudio site at > http://www.nabslinkaudio.org > Enjoy! > From David > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co > mcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/djdrocks4ever%40gmail.com > From amylsabo at comcast.net Sat Dec 17 07:31:47 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 00:31:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] This Is Your Invitation To Attend The Audio Access FM Christmas Party In-Reply-To: <776CDA5387C04548B78704A5B1C755BB@pc2011> References: <776CDA5387C04548B78704A5B1C755BB@pc2011> Message-ID: <07d001ccbc8d$ef725580$ce570080$@comcast.net> Dear david, This all sounds awesome indeed! Sorry, for the late reply since I'm now getting to my emails since I have been soooo busy with many Christmas things here in Denver. I do plan to participate in something or another in winning some kind of prize or another. I also like the ideas that you have put out there and, I do plan to check out the site too! I will also email you off list with some ideas/music from my collection if you would like to or not! I will also be listening in from my studios here in Colorado this year! That's right.. I'm not going home to Michigan this year since my parents have moved out here and, will be spending the holidays with me here at my place. But, I will of course be listening to the entire Christmas gala which is my ritual since 2007 as you know! Well, my dear that's all for now take care and, I will talk to you soon! Hugs always, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:57 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students. Subject: [nabs-l] This Is Your Invitation To Attend The Audio Access FM Christmas Party You've Been Invited To Attend The Audio Access FM 12 Days Of Christmas Party!!! If you're receiving this invitation, then it means you've been invited to participate in the Audio Access FM 12 Days Of Christmas event, going from midnight December 13 2011 until midnight December 26 2011, with the pre game festivities taking place on the December 12 Djd Invasion starting at 8 PM eastern! During this event, there will be special programs, holiday music in the automation when no one is on the air, a chance to win prizes, and more. So how can you participate? There are several ways for you to do this: 1. Want to send a special holiday wish to that special someone? Maybe you have a Christmas song you'd love to perform and have heard on the station? Or maybe you just want to send best wishes to everyone. What ever the case, give the Audio Access FM holiday line a call at 1-832-999-8883 leave us your holiday comments, and not only will they be played in the automation between songs, but if you send an email to 12daysofchristmas at audioaccessfm.com indicating your name after making the call, you'll be put into a drawing to win various prizes: From an audible book of your choice to an amazon gift card and more. These prizes will be sent to individuals after the Christmas 12 Day event. If you want to send me a song performance, send it as an mp3 attachment to 12daysofchristmas at audioaccessfm.com You can send your holiday greeting that way if you'd like too! 2. Got Broadcasting Talent? If you love doing internet radio, you'll be invited to do a special show of your own on our station. You can choose to play holiday music, or do the kind of show that you want to do, it's up to you. If interested, send an email to 12daysofchristmas at audioaccessfm.com telling me about the show you'd like to do and possible times. Times for these special broadcasts are on a first come, first serve basis, so if interested, let me know, there's only 12 days!!! Broadcasters will receive their prizes once the event is over! 3. Give Back, Get Bigger Prizes! As some of you know, we have traditionally done an event to raise money for The Make A Wish Foundation. However, for various reasons, that fell through this year. Yet, we still have been wanting to give back to people who do great things. So if you visit the 12 days of Christmas event page at http://www.audioaccessfm.com/12days which will be up and live once the event has begun, you'll see options to donate to various groups/charities. Pick the one you want, send us the money, and within 24 hours, we'll send you a receipt indicating that we've delivered your donation to the charity of choice, and you will be entered in to win one of our bigger prizes: From a talking mp3 player to computer software and more! If we fail to deliver the receipt and proof that we sent your money in the 24 hour time period we will refund your money in full, and you will still be eligible for a prize, since it would be our fault if the donation doesn't go through to your charity/group of choice. These bigger prizes will be awarded during The Djd Invasion Christmas Party on December 19, since donations will close at that time. There is one final and grand prize to be given away during the Djd Invasion Christmas special...A trip to anywhere in the United States! Details on that to come!!! So there are many ways to be part of the party: Stop by The Djd Invasion Christmas party, submit a holiday greeting, do a special show for us, or help us give back! Either way, whatever you contribute will help to make this an exciting online party, so we hope to see you there! Again, if you have questions, send them to 12daysofchristmas at audioaccessfm.com >From David Dunphy, Audio Access FM Station Manager http://www.audioaccessfm.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net From amylsabo at comcast.net Sat Dec 17 07:40:02 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 00:40:02 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] This Is Your Invitation To Attend The Audio Access FM Christmas Party In-Reply-To: <776CDA5387C04548B78704A5B1C755BB@pc2011> References: <776CDA5387C04548B78704A5B1C755BB@pc2011> Message-ID: <07d101ccbc8f$165842d0$4308c870$@comcast.net> Dear david, Thanks as always for the invitation for all of the Christmas events that you have planned for the station! I plan to participate in all of them! As a matter of fact I have donated some toys for tots to a local suburb here in Denver area last weekend when I went to a friend's house for her annual Christmas party. I have the receipt for it. Would this count for the drawing for the bigger prizes perhaps? Well, that's all for now take care and, I will talk to you this weekend! Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:57 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students. Subject: [nabs-l] This Is Your Invitation To Attend The Audio Access FM Christmas Party You've Been Invited To Attend The Audio Access FM 12 Days Of Christmas Party!!! If you're receiving this invitation, then it means you've been invited to participate in the Audio Access FM 12 Days Of Christmas event, going from midnight December 13 2011 until midnight December 26 2011, with the pre game festivities taking place on the December 12 Djd Invasion starting at 8 PM eastern! During this event, there will be special programs, holiday music in the automation when no one is on the air, a chance to win prizes, and more. So how can you participate? There are several ways for you to do this: 1. Want to send a special holiday wish to that special someone? Maybe you have a Christmas song you'd love to perform and have heard on the station? Or maybe you just want to send best wishes to everyone. What ever the case, give the Audio Access FM holiday line a call at 1-832-999-8883 leave us your holiday comments, and not only will they be played in the automation between songs, but if you send an email to 12daysofchristmas at audioaccessfm.com indicating your name after making the call, you'll be put into a drawing to win various prizes: From an audible book of your choice to an amazon gift card and more. These prizes will be sent to individuals after the Christmas 12 Day event. If you want to send me a song performance, send it as an mp3 attachment to 12daysofchristmas at audioaccessfm.com You can send your holiday greeting that way if you'd like too! 2. Got Broadcasting Talent? If you love doing internet radio, you'll be invited to do a special show of your own on our station. You can choose to play holiday music, or do the kind of show that you want to do, it's up to you. If interested, send an email to 12daysofchristmas at audioaccessfm.com telling me about the show you'd like to do and possible times. Times for these special broadcasts are on a first come, first serve basis, so if interested, let me know, there's only 12 days!!! Broadcasters will receive their prizes once the event is over! 3. Give Back, Get Bigger Prizes! As some of you know, we have traditionally done an event to raise money for The Make A Wish Foundation. However, for various reasons, that fell through this year. Yet, we still have been wanting to give back to people who do great things. So if you visit the 12 days of Christmas event page at http://www.audioaccessfm.com/12days which will be up and live once the event has begun, you'll see options to donate to various groups/charities. Pick the one you want, send us the money, and within 24 hours, we'll send you a receipt indicating that we've delivered your donation to the charity of choice, and you will be entered in to win one of our bigger prizes: From a talking mp3 player to computer software and more! If we fail to deliver the receipt and proof that we sent your money in the 24 hour time period we will refund your money in full, and you will still be eligible for a prize, since it would be our fault if the donation doesn't go through to your charity/group of choice. These bigger prizes will be awarded during The Djd Invasion Christmas Party on December 19, since donations will close at that time. There is one final and grand prize to be given away during the Djd Invasion Christmas special...A trip to anywhere in the United States! Details on that to come!!! So there are many ways to be part of the party: Stop by The Djd Invasion Christmas party, submit a holiday greeting, do a special show for us, or help us give back! Either way, whatever you contribute will help to make this an exciting online party, so we hope to see you there! Again, if you have questions, send them to 12daysofchristmas at audioaccessfm.com >From David Dunphy, Audio Access FM Station Manager http://www.audioaccessfm.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 07:40:03 2011 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:40:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] nabs December membership calls. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: These calls won''t be able to be streamed live this month, however both will be recorded and put on the archives. On 12/16/11, Darian Smith wrote: > Hello all, > A quick reminder regarding two calls that are coming up on > Sunday. The first is only for high school students, so please take > note of pass word to any you may know of. > The second call is for any and all students. > Please take note of start times so you don’t miss out. We hope you > enjoy! > > (For High School Students only!): of Blindness and Federation Philosophy > Do you want to learn more about the positive philosophy of blindness > that we in the National Federation of the Blind believe in? > > Join the high school committee as we talk about the NFB’s Philosophy > of blindness. > > When: Sunday, December 18, 2011. 6p.m. ET. > (nabs December membership call) > Home for the Holidays: > Do you have concerns about addressing your blindness with family and > friends? > > Are you wondering about how to approach them about your independence? > > Joine us on communicating with your family and friends about, > blindness, independence, and positive attitudes. > > When: December 18, 2011 at 7pm Eastern > > Both calls Will use the Following call-in information. > Call: (712)775-7100 > > Pass code: 257963 > > Happy holidays! > The Nabs membership committee. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/djdrocks4ever%40gmail.com > From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 07:44:43 2011 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:44:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] This Is Your Invitation To Attend The Audio Access FM Christmas Party In-Reply-To: <07d101ccbc8f$165842d0$4308c870$@comcast.net> References: <776CDA5387C04548B78704A5B1C755BB@pc2011> <07d101ccbc8f$165842d0$4308c870$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Press the option that says you don't want to log in to the system just leave a message On 12/17/11, Amy Sabo wrote: > Dear david, > > Thanks as always for the invitation for all of the Christmas > events that you have planned for the station! I plan to > participate in all of them! As a matter of fact I have donated > some toys for tots to a local suburb here in Denver area last > weekend when I went to a friend's house for her annual Christmas > party. I have the receipt for it. Would this count for the > drawing for the bigger prizes perhaps? > > Well, that's all for now take care and, I will talk to you this > weekend! > > > > Hugs, > amy > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:57 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; > Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students. > Subject: [nabs-l] This Is Your Invitation To Attend The Audio > Access FM Christmas Party > > You've Been Invited To Attend The Audio Access FM 12 Days Of > Christmas Party!!! > > If you're receiving this invitation, then it means you've been > invited to participate in the Audio Access FM 12 Days Of > Christmas event, going from midnight December 13 2011 until > midnight December 26 2011, with the pre game festivities taking > place on the December 12 Djd Invasion starting at 8 PM eastern! > During this event, there will be special programs, holiday music > in the automation when no one is on the air, a chance to win > prizes, and more. > > So how can you participate? There are several ways for you to do > this: > 1. Want to send a special holiday wish to that special someone? > Maybe you have a Christmas song you'd love to perform and have > heard on the station? Or maybe you just want to send best wishes > to everyone. > What ever the case, give the Audio Access FM holiday line a call > at > 1-832-999-8883 > leave us your holiday comments, and not only will they be played > in the automation between songs, but if you send an email to > 12daysofchristmas at audioaccessfm.com > indicating your name after making the call, you'll be put into a > drawing to win various prizes: From an audible book of your > choice to an amazon gift card and more. These prizes will be sent > to individuals after the Christmas 12 Day event. > If you want to send me a song performance, send it as an mp3 > attachment to > 12daysofchristmas at audioaccessfm.com > You can send your holiday greeting that way if you'd like too! > > 2. Got Broadcasting Talent? > If you love doing internet radio, you'll be invited to do a > special show of your own on our station. You can choose to play > holiday music, or do the kind of show that you want to do, it's > up to you. > If interested, send an email to > 12daysofchristmas at audioaccessfm.com > telling me about the show you'd like to do and possible times. > Times for these special broadcasts are on a first come, first > serve basis, so if interested, let me know, there's only 12 > days!!! Broadcasters will receive their prizes once the event is > over! > > > 3. Give Back, Get Bigger Prizes! > > As some of you know, we have traditionally done an event to raise > money for The Make A Wish Foundation. However, for various > reasons, that fell through this year. Yet, we still have been > wanting to give back to people who do great things. > So if you visit the 12 days of Christmas event page at > http://www.audioaccessfm.com/12days > which will be up and live once the event has begun, you'll see > options to donate to various groups/charities. > Pick the one you want, send us the money, and within 24 hours, > we'll send you a receipt indicating that we've delivered your > donation to the charity of choice, and you will be entered in to > win one of our bigger prizes: From a talking mp3 player to > computer software and more! If we fail to deliver the receipt and > proof that we sent your money in the 24 hour time period we will > refund your money in full, and you will still be eligible for a > prize, since it would be our fault if the donation doesn't go > through to your charity/group of choice. These bigger prizes will > be awarded during The Djd Invasion Christmas Party on December > 19, since donations will close at that time. > There is one final and grand prize to be given away during the > Djd Invasion Christmas special...A trip to anywhere in the United > States! Details on that to come!!! > So there are many ways to be part of the party: Stop by The Djd > Invasion Christmas party, submit a holiday greeting, do a special > show for us, or help us give back! Either way, whatever you > contribute will help to make this an exciting online party, so we > hope to see you there! > Again, if you have questions, send them to > 12daysofchristmas at audioaccessfm.com > > From David Dunphy, Audio Access FM Station Manager > http://www.audioaccessfm.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co > mcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/djdrocks4ever%40gmail.com > From amylsabo at comcast.net Sat Dec 17 08:08:00 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 01:08:00 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] fw: holiday greetings to all! In-Reply-To: <4eebf8f0.056ae00a.7a78.6aa2@mx.google.com> References: <4eebf8f0.056ae00a.7a78.6aa2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <07d701ccbc92$fedff900$fc9feb00$@comcast.net> Hello all, I too want to wish you all a very merry Christmas and a happy new years! And, also happy holidays to you all! Hugs always, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 7:05 PM To: NFB NABS list; Blind Talk list; NFBMD list; NFB History list; bnu-dev at braillenoteusers.info; blind-conservative at emissives.com Subject: [nabs-l] fw: holiday greetings to all! Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all this season! May they be filled with family, friends, fun, and many memories! And, for us Christians, let's not forget the true meaning of Christmas!! Please read below for a great Christmas passage sent to me through the BrailleNote list. Merry Christmas to all, Chris Nusbaum ---- Original Message ------ From: mbern6516 at aol.com Subject: [Braillenote] holiday greetings to all Date sent: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:17:46 -0500 (EST) This is for all the members on the mailing lists mentioned above: Just wanted to pop in, and spread a bit of holiday cheer to all of you, with the following passage: What do we love about Christmas; Does our delight reside in things? Or are the feelings in our hearts The real gift that Christmas brings. It's seeing those we love, And sending Christmas cards, too, Appreciating people who bring us joy Special people just like you. I hope you all have a safe, enjoyable Christmas and New Year. If Christmas is not the holiday celebrated in your individual culture, hope you have a safe and happy holiday, whatever it may be. Mike Rochester, NY. ___ Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a copy to the list as well. To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to braillenote-unsubscribe at list.humanware.com To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net From amylsabo at comcast.net Sat Dec 17 08:09:30 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 01:09:30 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A Christmas Present For Nabs: The New Nabslinkaudio.org Is Live In-Reply-To: References: <07cf01ccbc8c$fa53a1d0$eefae570$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <07d801ccbc93$34405ef0$9cc11cd0$@comcast.net> That's cool! I will check it out for sure... thanks for the information and, I will talk to you soon. Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:30 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Christmas Present For Nabs: The New Nabslinkaudio.org Is Live It's there, look for a link on the main page. On 12/17/11, Amy Sabo wrote: > Dear david, > > I just saw the site that you did for thenabslink site and, I love > it! I will listen to it this weekend or when I get a free moment > which is rare imo! > > Anyway, I just wanted to say thank you for doing this for nabs > and, have a wonderful holiday! > > > > Hugs always, > amy > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:11 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] A Christmas Present For Nabs: The New > Nabslinkaudio.org Is Live > > Hi All! > Whether you've all been naughty or nice, I've decided to play > Santa alittle earlier this year, and give you the brand new > NabslinkAudio web site. > All calls on the site are what I have available to me to give to > you. > Go check out the newNabsLinkAudio site at > http://www.nabslinkaudio.org > Enjoy! > From David > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co > mcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/djdrocks4ever %40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Dec 17 11:25:45 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 05:25:45 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house In-Reply-To: References: <4eebb2b9.86d1e00a.338f.4a12@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Well, if they're able to take care of themselves, and are good, navigating transit, financial endependence is all that's needed. I'd recommend that the parents look at the NFB's Website, and learn our philosophy. That way, they won't have such low expectations of us. Blessings, Joshua On 12/16/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > I missed that they were both legally blind in the first email too. Yikes. a > sticky situation. I hope it works out. > Do work out things like finances before committing to a lease. Hope it works > out. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 4:22 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents house > > I should have read the original E-mail closer. > The financial endependence point still stands. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/16/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Wow! That shows their misconceptions about blindness! >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, >> 1968-1986 >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth >> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing >> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions >> which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more >> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit >> us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Koby Cox" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:33:50 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents >> house >> >> Arielle, >> It's because we're both blind. She's legally blind and I'm >> totally >> blind. >> Koby. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 8:30 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents >> house >> >> Chris and all, >> With all due respect, it's possible that the reason Koby's >> parents >> don't want him to date this girl is because of his blindness, >> hers or >> both, so it could be blindness-related. Also, this is a list for >> blind >> students, so we discuss blindness stuff but we also discuss >> student >> stuff-and decisions about moving out, college, careers, dealing >> with >> parents etc. is very much a student issue. >> I understand you were just trying to be helpful, but to reduce >> clutter >> on the list, it's best to let NABS officers or the list >> moderators >> make judgments about what is on or off-topic. Otherwise, we >> could end >> up with fifty emails back and forth debating about what is on or >> off >> topic, and the whole point of staying on-topic is to reduce the >> number >> of messages. (And so this will be my only post on the matter). >> Best, >> Arielle-former list chair and former NABS president >> >> On 12/15/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> I wouldn't post it to any blindness-related list, if that list >> is >> meant strictly for blindness-related discussion, as this one is. >> If there's a general chat list out there or a dating list or >> something like that, you could try that, but I wouldn't post >> this >> to a list at all; maybe you could try posting it to your >> Facebook >> page or something like that. >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the >> Blind, >> 1968-1986 >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired >> youth >> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing >> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions >> which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more >> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit >> us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Koby Cox" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:42:30 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents >> house >> >> Chris, >> What mailing list should I post this on? >> Koby. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:35 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents >> house >> >> Hi Koby, >> >> Wow! Sorry I can't help you here; I'll just say this. I don't >> think this question is really blindness-related, as the fact >> that >> your parents don't want you to see your girlfriend has nothing >> to >> do with your blindness. So, I don't think this is a good list >> for it. Just my opinion! >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the >> Blind, >> 1968-1986 >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired >> youth >> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing >> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions >> which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more >> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit >> us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Koby Cox" > To: > Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 18:07:25 -0600 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Question about moving out of your parents >> house >> >> Hello All, >> I'm totally blind and am 19 years old I currently have a >> girlfriend >> whose 22 years of age. She's legally blind and has cadaracts. >> I'll be >> graduating highschool on December 20,2011. I'm thinking about >> moving in >> with her on that day after I get out of school. However, I'm >> not >> sure >> how I should explain this to my parents sense they don't want us >> seeing >> one another. Any ideas? >> Each one of you right back soon, >> Koby. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma >> il.com >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4083 - Release Date: >> 12/15/11 >> 13:34:00 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g >> mail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma >> il.com >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4083 - Release Date: >> 12/15/11 >> 13:34:00 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Dec 17 11:28:14 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 05:28:14 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings PageNoLongerAccessible In-Reply-To: <0AD5709767FE4B00ABEB7B1F37DA28E4@OwnerPC> References: <4eebc50d.c8bee00a.4a79.5e3f@mx.google.com> <0AD5709767FE4B00ABEB7B1F37DA28E4@OwnerPC> Message-ID: My brother is the only one that can do that, and it's hard to get him to do anything. I'll have my tech specialist, at the college read the captcha, when I create my new account. Blessings, Joshua On 12/16/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Josh, get someone to read you the letters of the > captcha. Audio ones do not work well for me either as they are either too > soft or unclear to understand. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 5:29 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings > PageNoLongerAccessible > > Chris, how did you get your GMail service? > I did contact Web Visom's people, but they never responded. > I also found out, that it only works with Firefox. > I need something that will work for Internet Explorer. > They seriously need to fix their audio captcha! > Thanks, Joshua > > On 12/16/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Wow! Yahoo and accessible; two words I thought I would never hear >> in the same sentence! Well, now it's true! I'm still sticking >> with my Gmail account, but even with that I'm mainly using a >> third-party email client. >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, >> 1968-1986 >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth >> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing >> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions >> which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more >> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit >> us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Carly > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> ,National Association of Blind Students >> mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:25:42 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page >> NoLongerAccessible >> >> >> YAHOO seems to be more accessable, than Gmail.At 03:59 PM >> 12/13/2011, >> Joshua Lester wrote: >> I haven't had any problems doing searches. >> Navigating other parts of the site, may be a problem. >> Even GMail's audio Captcha is inaccessible. >> It won't play. >> Google has a long way to go, as far as accessibility is >> concerned. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila >> wrote: >> Hello Joshua, >> >> I just looked at this myself and, to my knowledge, they are >> using sliders >> that you can slide with a mouse instead of combo boxes, >> checkboxes and radio >> buttons. These sliders, of course, are not accessible with JAWS >> and NVDA. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:48 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page >> No >> LongerAccessible >> >> It is accessible. >> It says, "Screenreader users, click here." >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila >> wrote: >> I am bringing this to your attention as it looks like this >> change occurred >> just today. Please read on. This company is facing another >> possible >> lawsuit. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org >> [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf Of Gerald Levy >> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:13 AM >> To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer >> Accessible >> >> >> Hi list. Has anyone else noticed that you can no longer change >> your >> search >> preferences on the Google Search Settings page? The radio boxes >> previously >> used to select a particular option under each heading seem to >> have >> vanished. >> For instance, under the Google Instant heading, On and Off are >> listed, but >> there are no radio or check boxes to select the option you want. >> And >> under >> the Number of Search Results Per Page heading, the numbers 10, >> 20, 30, 40, >> 50 and 100 are listed, but there seems to be no way to select >> the number >> you >> want. And nothing happens when you hit Space or Enter on the >> Save button, >> so there is apparently no way to activate it to save your >> preferences like >> you could before. I have tried JAWS 9, NVDA and SA to Go with >> both IE 8 >> and >> Firefox, but can't select anything on the Search Settings page >> no matter >> what screen reader/browser combination I try. Has Google >> suddenly made >> its >> Search Settings page inaccessible, and is there any work around >> for this >> problem? Google seems to be becoming less and less accessible >> every day. >> Maybe the NFB should look into this issue. Thanks for any >> feedback. >> >> Gerald >> >> _______________________________________________ >> gui-talk mailing list >> gui-talk at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> gui-talk: >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert. >> humberto2%4 >> 0gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.p >> ccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu >> mberto2%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea >> rthlink.net >> >> >> >> WARNING: The remainder of this message has not been transferred. >> The estimated size of this message is 2019591155 bytes. >> Click on the Retrieve From Server icon above and check mail again >> to >> get the whole thing. 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If the >> Retrieve >> From Server icon is not showing, then this message is no longer >> on the server. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From carlymih at earthlink.net Sat Dec 17 12:37:56 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 04:37:56 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] fw: holiday greetings to all! In-Reply-To: <07d701ccbc92$fedff900$fc9feb00$@comcast.net> References: <4eebf8f0.056ae00a.7a78.6aa2@mx.google.com> <07d701ccbc92$fedff900$fc9feb00$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20111217042216.01cce868@earthlink.net> Good morning, Amy, Wanted to introduce myself my name is Carly and, your posts on the NABS list stand out because you close your letters by offering hugs, to your readers. From Where in Denver are you writing? Personally, I was the happiest ever while living in the places I had, located at 13th and Sherman and 13th and Grant in Capital Hill. I used to go to the main library at 13th and Broadway and check out stuff to scan. Can you still smoke cigarettes in Tom's Diner at Colfax and Pearl? I was also involved in the CCB which also could be a comfortable, spot. My friend, Tieu went to UNC up in Greeley and I made many a trip up there to see her on the bus. Oh, so many memories! I'd love to be considered your friend? I imagine you did the program at the CCB before you too, relocated to Denver? Where are you from originally? Your's for today, Carly Mihalakis-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum >Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 7:05 PM >To: NFB NABS list; Blind Talk list; NFBMD list; NFB History list; >bnu-dev at braillenoteusers.info; blind-conservative at emissives.com >Subject: [nabs-l] fw: holiday greetings to all! > >Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all this season! May they >be filled with family, friends, fun, and many memories! And, for >us Christians, let's not forget the true meaning of Christmas!! >Please read below for a great Christmas passage sent to me >through the BrailleNote list. Merry Christmas to all, > >Chris Nusbaum > > ---- Original Message ------ >From: mbern6516 at aol.com >Subject: [Braillenote] holiday greetings to all >Date sent: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:17:46 -0500 (EST) > >This is for all the members on the mailing lists mentioned above: >Just wanted to pop in, and spread a bit of holiday cheer to all >of >you, with the following passage: >What do we love about Christmas; >Does our delight reside in things? >Or are the feelings in our hearts >The real gift that Christmas brings. >It's seeing those we love, >And sending Christmas cards, too, >Appreciating people who bring us joy >Special people just like you. >I hope you all have a safe, enjoyable Christmas and New Year. If >Christmas is not the holiday celebrated in your individual >culture, >hope you have a safe and happy holiday, whatever it may be. >Mike >Rochester, NY. > > > > >___ >Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >copy to the list as well. > >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe at list.humanware.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co >mcast.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From lakeisha.renee at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 16:10:41 2011 From: lakeisha.renee at gmail.com (LaKeisha Holmes) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:10:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Speakers for GABS Monthly Teleconference In-Reply-To: <4eebf8f2.056ae00a.7a78.6aa3@mx.google.com> References: <4eebf8f2.056ae00a.7a78.6aa3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <102598AF-A07B-401D-A750-B5176F66B99A@gmail.com> Hi Chris, Thank you so much for the suggestion! And it is kind of cool that we have the same signature! :) Best regards, LaKeisha On Dec 16, 2011, at 9:05 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi LaKeisha, > > If she would accept my recommendation, I would suggest Arielle Silverman. She is very familiar with Washington Seminar, as she has shown in her posts to this list, and I think she would be a great resource for your students. Hope this helps and good luck in finding speakers! By the way, I couldn't help but notice that you have the "real problem of blindness" quote from Dr. Jernigan in your email signature! I finally found a person who has that quote in their signature besides me; yea! * Smile! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: LaKeisha Holmes To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:43:14 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Speakers for GABS Monthly Teleconference > > Good afternoon, > My name is LaKeisha Holmes and I was recently elected as president of the Georgia Association of Blind Students. We have teleconferences every fourth Sunday of each month geared towards different topics. Our teleconference next month will be focusing on Washington Seminar. I would like for our students to hear from a fellow student who has experienced the Washington Seminar and who is familiar with the three legislative topics for this upcoming seminar. If you are interested in speaking with the Georgia students, please contact me at lakeisha.renee at gmail.com. > Thank you > LaKeisha Holmes > President > Georgia Association of Blind Students > LaKeisha Holmes > President > Georgia Association of Blind Students > Phone: 404.580.3040 > [The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lakeisha.renee%40gmail.com LaKeisha Holmes President Georgia Association of Blind Students Phone: 404.580.3040 [The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 19:48:05 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:48:05 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Speakers for GABS Monthly Teleconference In-Reply-To: <102598AF-A07B-401D-A750-B5176F66B99A@gmail.com> References: <4eebf8f2.056ae00a.7a78.6aa3@mx.google.com> <102598AF-A07B-401D-A750-B5176F66B99A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Chris, Thank you for recommending me; I appreciate it. Since Mary is a past president of GABS, I think she is probably a more appropriate person to do the presentation. Also, I admit that while I have been to lots of Washington Seminars, I don't know what our three issues are this year. Have the priorities been published yet? Best, Arielle On 12/17/11, LaKeisha Holmes wrote: > Hi Chris, > Thank you so much for the suggestion! And it is kind of cool that we have > the same signature! :) > Best regards, > LaKeisha > On Dec 16, 2011, at 9:05 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > >> Hi LaKeisha, >> >> If she would accept my recommendation, I would suggest Arielle Silverman. >> She is very familiar with Washington Seminar, as she has shown in her >> posts to this list, and I think she would be a great resource for your >> students. Hope this helps and good luck in finding speakers! By the way, >> I couldn't help but notice that you have the "real problem of blindness" >> quote from Dr. Jernigan in your email signature! I finally found a person >> who has that quote in their signature besides me; yea! * Smile! >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a >> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be >> reduced to a mere physical nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, >> 1968-1986 >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in >> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive >> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be >> equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation >> and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: LaKeisha Holmes > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:43:14 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Speakers for GABS Monthly Teleconference >> >> Good afternoon, >> My name is LaKeisha Holmes and I was recently elected as president of the >> Georgia Association of Blind Students. We have teleconferences every >> fourth Sunday of each month geared towards different topics. Our >> teleconference next month will be focusing on Washington Seminar. I would >> like for our students to hear from a fellow student who has experienced >> the Washington Seminar and who is familiar with the three legislative >> topics for this upcoming seminar. If you are interested in speaking with >> the Georgia students, please contact me at lakeisha.renee at gmail.com. >> Thank you >> LaKeisha Holmes >> President >> Georgia Association of Blind Students >> LaKeisha Holmes >> President >> Georgia Association of Blind Students >> Phone: 404.580.3040 >> [The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lakeisha.renee%40gmail.com > > LaKeisha Holmes > President > Georgia Association of Blind Students > Phone: 404.580.3040 > [The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem > is the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 22:01:37 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:01:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Services for international students Message-ID: <4eed114e.44c8e00a.1a2a.ffffd6da@mx.google.com> But=20would=20they=20provide=20technology=20like=20notetakers?=20Would=20it= =20be=20 better=20to=20discuss=20that=20with=20the=20Disability=20Office?=20I=20don'= t=20know,=20 just=20asking. Chris "The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi= ght.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance." --=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President,=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20= Blind,=20 1968-1986 =20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20blind=20and=20visually=20impa= ired=20youth=20 in=20Maryland=20say=20"I=20can,"=20by=20empowering=20them=20through=20provi= ding=20 assistive=20technology=20and=20scholarships=20to=20camps=20and=20convention= s=20 which=20help=20them=20be=20equal=20with=20their=20sighted=20peers.=20=20For= =20more=20 information=20about=20the=20Foundation=20and=20to=20support=20our=20work,=20= visit=20 us=20online=20at=20www.icanfoundation.info! =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Greg=20Aikens=20 Hi Joshua, As for kaptcha programs for Internet Explorer, there is one. It is called Solona. I'm not sure of the Web address which you can go to to get the program; can someone send that to the list and help both Joshua and I out? As to how to get a Gmail account, here is the procedure: 1. Go to www.gmail.com. 2. When the page loads, you are taken to a screen where you can either sign in if you have a Gmail account or create one. Click the "create an account" link. It is right after the form fields for username and password. 3. Fill out the applicable form fields on the account page. Your "login name" is the email address that you want to have. For example, joshua.lester at gmail.com. When you type in your email address that you want to have, leave out the @gmail.com part, as that will be automatically filled in. Be sure to click the "check availability" button to make sure the email address you have chosen hasn't been already taken. 4. During your creating an account process, you'll have to either select a "security question" from the combo box or create your own. This is a question that you have to answer if you forget your password and want to access your Gmail account. 5. When you get to the bottom and it says "type the characters you see," you'll either have to use WebVisum or Solona, depending on what browser you're using, or (unfortunately) you're going to have to ask a sighted person to read the kaptcha to you. Maybe you can do this while you are in a session with your reader. I know it's annoying, and kaptchas need to be accessible, but that's what you have to do currently. Sorry! Please note that once you have your Gmail account set up and you try to go into the Web interface, you need to click the "basic HTML" link. This is because when you first create your account, it will be set to standard view, which isn't accessible. Once you have selected basic HTML view, go into your Settings and click "set basic HTML as default view." Let me know if you have any questions! Hope this helps! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Wow! Yahoo and accessible; two words I thought I would never hear in the same sentence! Well, now it's true! I'm still sticking with my Gmail account, but even with that I'm mainly using a third-party email client. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Carly ,National Association of Blind Students mailing list It's giving me an "HTTP 404" error, as if the link's broken. Is this only happening on my computer? Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dunphy wrote: Dear david, I just saw the site that you did for thenabslink site and, I love it! I will listen to it this weekend or when I get a free moment which is rare imo! Anyway, I just wanted to say thank you for doing this for nabs and, have a wonderful holiday! Hugs always, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:11 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] A Christmas Present For Nabs: The New Nabslinkaudio.org Is Live Hi All! Whether you've all been naughty or nice, I've decided to play Santa alittle earlier this year, and give you the brand new NabslinkAudio web site. All calls on the site are what I have available to me to give to you. Go check out the newNabsLinkAudio site at http://www.nabslinkaudio.org Enjoy! From David _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/djdrocks4ever %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 22:02:13 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:02:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] podcasts and podcatchers Message-ID: <4eed1172.44c8e00a.1a2a.ffffd6ff@mx.google.com> Hi everyone, I have heard many things lately about podcast feeds and pod-catchers. I don't think I'm understanding this. So how does a podcatcher work? If you type in the address of a podcast feed, will it automatically download each episode of a podcast and have it there for you to listen to? What podcatchers are accessible with JAWS? Any help to understand this would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 22:02:11 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:02:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 Message-ID: <4eed1171.44c8e00a.1a2a.ffffd6fe@mx.google.com> Hi Amy and everyone, As you probably know, I am subscribed to many lists on my personal email. So, at the beginning of this semester, I created a separate Gmail account exclusively for school, and gave the email address only to my teachers, my IA, and to my TVI. This helps me separate my school emails from list emails, which is a lot easier than trying to sort through all the list emails to get to the one or two emails from school. This has worked very well for me, and I would suggest it to anyone on this list who is having problems with their inaccessible college email service. In other words, I would suggest creating a separate Gmail account (or whatever email service you are comfortable using) for school emails, then set your email for your college to forward to your accessible school email account. Hope this helps! Merry Christmas, everyone! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Sabo" From amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 2:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 Hi Katie, I used to have my school email auto-forward to my Gmail and this worked fine for me for several years. I decided to change because I like having a little separation between my school/work and personal/fun email. Also, I occasionally had to post messages on school-related listservs from my school email address. But for the most part, forwarding everything to Gmail worked fine. Arielle On 12/10/11, Koby Cox wrote: Katie, Can you please email me off list? My email address is: kobycox at gmail.com. Thanks, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Katie Wang Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 12:41 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 Thanks for all the suggestions! Thunderbird sounds like a very promising solution. Does it have keyboard shortcuts for things like creating, replying to, and forwarding mail? Is the address book feature user-friendly? Like Arielle I also use the basic html web version for gmail but need an email client for my university email account. Of course, I could potentially have my university mail automatically forwarded to my gmail account, which I hear is a common practice among my fellow students. On 12/10/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: Carley, Eudora is eudora regardless of what operating system you have. So how do you like it? Are there keystrokes for all the clicking a mouse does. Like do you press control N for new message? -----Original Message----- From: Carly Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 1:17 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 Hi, I use an ancient, version of both the OS and Eudora. As ai said, I didn't realize you'all were talking about using Eudora, with W7. Sorry for the confusion! C. At 06:07 PM 12/9/2011, Ashley Bramlett wrote: Carley, I've thought about getting that. Can you explain? Is eudora for purchase? Can you still sort email into folders? Does it have a menu system? -----Original Message----- From: Carly Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 7:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email clients for Windows 7 Without having experienced any other email clients, I hear Eudora is buy far, the simplest. Not exactly fancy or particularly modern, it cannot be beat in simplisity. At 10:15 AM 12/9/2011, Katie Wang wrote: Hi all, I have been using Windows XP until very recently and always used Outlook Express as my primary email client, as I prefer its simple interface. However, I just purchased a new computer running Windows 7, and, as you know, this easy-to-use email tool is no longer available. I switched to using MS Office Outlook 2010, and although it is definitely accessible with JAWS, I found the interface much more complicated and cumbersome. I am aware that I'm still in the process of getting used to a new program and may come to like it better over time, but I was wondering whether anyone has had similar experiences? For those of you using Windows 7 computers, do you use MS Office Outlook, or would you recommend an alternative email program? Thanks! 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.920 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4071 - Release Date: 12/09/11 14:51:00 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 22:02:04 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:02:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] This Is Your Invitation To Attend The Audio Access FMChristmas Party Message-ID: <4eed116a.44c8e00a.1a2a.ffffd6f2@mx.google.com> OK, I'll do that. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: David Dunphy wrote: Dear david, Thanks as always for the invitation for all of the Christmas events that you have planned for the station! I plan to participate in all of them! As a matter of fact I have donated some toys for tots to a local suburb here in Denver area last weekend when I went to a friend's house for her annual Christmas party. I have the receipt for it. Would this count for the drawing for the bigger prizes perhaps? Well, that's all for now take care and, I will talk to you this weekend! Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:57 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students. Subject: [nabs-l] This Is Your Invitation To Attend The Audio Access FM Christmas Party You've Been Invited To Attend The Audio Access FM 12 Days Of Christmas Party!!! If you're receiving this invitation, then it means you've been invited to participate in the Audio Access FM 12 Days Of Christmas event, going from midnight December 13 2011 until midnight December 26 2011, with the pre game festivities taking place on the December 12 Djd Invasion starting at 8 PM eastern! During this event, there will be special programs, holiday music in the automation when no one is on the air, a chance to win prizes, and more. So how can you participate? There are several ways for you to do this: 1. Want to send a special holiday wish to that special someone? Maybe you have a Christmas song you'd love to perform and have heard on the station? Or maybe you just want to send best wishes to everyone. What ever the case, give the Audio Access FM holiday line a call at 1-832-999-8883 leave us your holiday comments, and not only will they be played in the automation between songs, but if you send an email to 12daysofchristmas at audioaccessfm.com indicating your name after making the call, you'll be put into a drawing to win various prizes: From an audible book of your choice to an amazon gift card and more. These prizes will be sent to individuals after the Christmas 12 Day event. If you want to send me a song performance, send it as an mp3 attachment to 12daysofchristmas at audioaccessfm.com You can send your holiday greeting that way if you'd like too! 2. Got Broadcasting Talent? If you love doing internet radio, you'll be invited to do a special show of your own on our station. You can choose to play holiday music, or do the kind of show that you want to do, it's up to you. If interested, send an email to 12daysofchristmas at audioaccessfm.com telling me about the show you'd like to do and possible times. Times for these special broadcasts are on a first come, first serve basis, so if interested, let me know, there's only 12 days!!! Broadcasters will receive their prizes once the event is over! 3. Give Back, Get Bigger Prizes! As some of you know, we have traditionally done an event to raise money for The Make A Wish Foundation. However, for various reasons, that fell through this year. Yet, we still have been wanting to give back to people who do great things. So if you visit the 12 days of Christmas event page at http://www.audioaccessfm.com/12days which will be up and live once the event has begun, you'll see options to donate to various groups/charities. Pick the one you want, send us the money, and within 24 hours, we'll send you a receipt indicating that we've delivered your donation to the charity of choice, and you will be entered in to win one of our bigger prizes: From a talking mp3 player to computer software and more! If we fail to deliver the receipt and proof that we sent your money in the 24 hour time period we will refund your money in full, and you will still be eligible for a prize, since it would be our fault if the donation doesn't go through to your charity/group of choice. These bigger prizes will be awarded during The Djd Invasion Christmas Party on December 19, since donations will close at that time. There is one final and grand prize to be given away during the Djd Invasion Christmas special...A trip to anywhere in the United States! Details on that to come!!! So there are many ways to be part of the party: Stop by The Djd Invasion Christmas party, submit a holiday greeting, do a special show for us, or help us give back! Either way, whatever you contribute will help to make this an exciting online party, so we hope to see you there! Again, if you have questions, send them to 12daysofchristmas at audioaccessfm.com From David Dunphy, Audio Access FM Station Manager http://www.audioaccessfm.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/djdrocks4ever %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Dec 17 22:06:10 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 16:06:10 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings PageNoLongerAccessible In-Reply-To: <4eed1154.44c8e00a.1a2a.ffffd6dd@mx.google.com> References: <4eed1154.44c8e00a.1a2a.ffffd6dd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Chris. The PCCUA address is on GMail's server, so I know about Basic HTML. Blessings, Joshua On 12/17/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > As for kaptcha programs for Internet Explorer, there is one. It > is called Solona. I'm not sure of the Web address which you can > go to to get the program; can someone send that to the list and > help both Joshua and I out? As to how to get a Gmail account, > here is the procedure: > > 1. Go to www.gmail.com. > 2. When the page loads, you are taken to a screen where you can > either sign in if you have a Gmail account or create one. Click > the "create an account" link. It is right after the form fields > for username and password. > 3. Fill out the applicable form fields on the account page. > Your "login name" is the email address that you want to have. > For example, joshua.lester at gmail.com. When you type in your > email address that you want to have, leave out the @gmail.com > part, as that will be automatically filled in. Be sure to click > the "check availability" button to make sure the email address > you have chosen hasn't been already taken. > 4. During your creating an account process, you'll have to > either select a "security question" from the combo box or create > your own. This is a question that you have to answer if you > forget your password and want to access your Gmail account. > 5. When you get to the bottom and it says "type the characters > you see," you'll either have to use WebVisum or Solona, depending > on what browser you're using, or (unfortunately) you're going to > have to ask a sighted person to read the kaptcha to you. Maybe > you can do this while you are in a session with your reader. I > know it's annoying, and kaptchas need to be accessible, but > that's what you have to do currently. Sorry! > > Please note that once you have your Gmail account set up and you > try to go into the Web interface, you need to click the "basic > HTML" link. This is because when you first create your account, > it will be set to standard view, which isn't accessible. Once > you have selected basic HTML view, go into your Settings and > click "set basic HTML as default view." Let me know if you have > any questions! Hope this helps! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:29:18 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings > PageNoLongerAccessible > > Chris, how did you get your GMail service? > I did contact Web Visom's people, but they never responded. > I also found out, that it only works with Firefox. > I need something that will work for Internet Explorer. > They seriously need to fix their audio captcha! > Thanks, Joshua > > On 12/16/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Wow! Yahoo and accessible; two words I thought I would never > hear > in the same sentence! Well, now it's true! I'm still sticking > with my Gmail account, but even with that I'm mainly using a > third-party email client. > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the > Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired > youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carly To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > ,National Association of Blind Students > mailing list Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:25:42 -0800 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page > NoLongerAccessible > > > YAHOO seems to be more accessable, than Gmail.At 03:59 PM > 12/13/2011, > Joshua Lester wrote: > I haven't had any problems doing searches. > Navigating other parts of the site, may be a problem. > Even GMail's audio Captcha is inaccessible. > It won't play. > Google has a long way to go, as far as accessibility is > concerned. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > Hello Joshua, > > I just looked at this myself and, to my knowledge, they are > using sliders > that you can slide with a mouse instead of combo boxes, > checkboxes and radio > buttons. These sliders, of course, are not accessible with > JAWS > and NVDA. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:48 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings > Page > No > LongerAccessible > > It is accessible. > It says, "Screenreader users, click here." > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > I am bringing this to your attention as it looks like this > change occurred > just today. Please read on. This company is facing another > possible > lawsuit. > > -----Original Message----- > From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Gerald Levy > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:13 AM > To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org > Subject: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer > Accessible > > > Hi list. Has anyone else noticed that you can no longer change > your > search > preferences on the Google Search Settings page? The radio > boxes > previously > used to select a particular option under each heading seem to > have > vanished. > For instance, under the Google Instant heading, On and Off are > listed, but > there are no radio or check boxes to select the option you > want. > And > under > the Number of Search Results Per Page heading, the numbers 10, > 20, 30, 40, > 50 and 100 are listed, but there seems to be no way to select > the number > you > want. And nothing happens when you hit Space or Enter on the > Save button, > so there is apparently no way to activate it to save your > preferences like > you could before. I have tried JAWS 9, NVDA and SA to Go with > both IE 8 > and > Firefox, but can't select anything on the Search Settings page > no matter > what screen reader/browser combination I try. Has Google > suddenly made > its > Search Settings page inaccessible, and is there any work around > for this > problem? Google seems to be becoming less and less accessible > every day. > Maybe the NFB should look into this issue. Thanks for any > feedback. > > Gerald > > _______________________________________________ > gui-talk mailing list > gui-talk at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > gui-talk: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert. > humberto2%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.p > ccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu > mberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea > rthlink.net > > > > WARNING: The remainder of this message has not been transferred. > The estimated size of this message is 2019591155 bytes. > Click on the Retrieve From Server icon above and check mail > again > to > get the whole thing. 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If the > Retrieve > From Server icon is not showing, then this message is no longer > on the server. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 22:41:27 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 14:41:27 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search SettingsPageNoLongerAccessible In-Reply-To: <4eed1154.44c8e00a.1a2a.ffffd6dd@mx.google.com> References: <4eed1154.44c8e00a.1a2a.ffffd6dd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello Chris and Josh, The address for the solona captcha services is: http://www.solona.net. This is a web based service that allows you to submit images of the web page that has a captcha in it, then wait a few seconds until a volunteer reader at the other end responds with the captcha code. You must sign up for this service and the sign up process is fast and easy, it is free, and, of course, does not require any challenging audio captchas or visual ones. Please try it out and let us know. Please note: this is no automated robotic artificial intelligence remote service that scans captchas and sends them to you in clear text form. Volunteer personnel participate to send the captchas to subscribers. To read more go to the web site at www.solona.net. There are more instructions and policies. Hope this helps you guys! -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 2:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search SettingsPageNoLongerAccessible Hi Joshua, As for kaptcha programs for Internet Explorer, there is one. It is called Solona. I'm not sure of the Web address which you can go to to get the program; can someone send that to the list and help both Joshua and I out? As to how to get a Gmail account, here is the procedure: 1. Go to www.gmail.com. 2. When the page loads, you are taken to a screen where you can either sign in if you have a Gmail account or create one. Click the "create an account" link. It is right after the form fields for username and password. 3. Fill out the applicable form fields on the account page. Your "login name" is the email address that you want to have. For example, joshua.lester at gmail.com. When you type in your email address that you want to have, leave out the @gmail.com part, as that will be automatically filled in. Be sure to click the "check availability" button to make sure the email address you have chosen hasn't been already taken. 4. During your creating an account process, you'll have to either select a "security question" from the combo box or create your own. This is a question that you have to answer if you forget your password and want to access your Gmail account. 5. When you get to the bottom and it says "type the characters you see," you'll either have to use WebVisum or Solona, depending on what browser you're using, or (unfortunately) you're going to have to ask a sighted person to read the kaptcha to you. Maybe you can do this while you are in a session with your reader. I know it's annoying, and kaptchas need to be accessible, but that's what you have to do currently. Sorry! Please note that once you have your Gmail account set up and you try to go into the Web interface, you need to click the "basic HTML" link. This is because when you first create your account, it will be set to standard view, which isn't accessible. Once you have selected basic HTML view, go into your Settings and click "set basic HTML as default view." Let me know if you have any questions! Hope this helps! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Wow! Yahoo and accessible; two words I thought I would never hear in the same sentence! Well, now it's true! I'm still sticking with my Gmail account, but even with that I'm mainly using a third-party email client. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Carly ,National Association of Blind Students mailing list References: <4eed1154.44c8e00a.1a2a.ffffd6dd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks! I'm sending this to a friend of mine, too! Blessings, Joshua On 12/17/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > Hello Chris and Josh, > The address for the solona captcha services is: http://www.solona.net. > This is a web based service that allows you to submit images of the web page > that has a captcha in it, then wait a few seconds until a volunteer reader > at the other end responds with the captcha code. You must sign up for this > service and the sign up process is fast and easy, it is free, and, of > course, does not require any challenging audio captchas or visual ones. > Please try it out and let us know. Please note: this is no automated > robotic artificial intelligence remote service that scans captchas and sends > them to you in clear text form. Volunteer personnel participate to send the > captchas to subscribers. To read more go to the web site at www.solona.net. > There are more instructions and policies. > > Hope this helps you guys! > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 2:02 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search > SettingsPageNoLongerAccessible > > Hi Joshua, > > As for kaptcha programs for Internet Explorer, there is one. It > is called Solona. I'm not sure of the Web address which you can > go to to get the program; can someone send that to the list and > help both Joshua and I out? As to how to get a Gmail account, > here is the procedure: > > 1. Go to www.gmail.com. > 2. When the page loads, you are taken to a screen where you can > either sign in if you have a Gmail account or create one. Click > the "create an account" link. It is right after the form fields > for username and password. > 3. Fill out the applicable form fields on the account page. > Your "login name" is the email address that you want to have. > For example, joshua.lester at gmail.com. When you type in your > email address that you want to have, leave out the @gmail.com > part, as that will be automatically filled in. Be sure to click > the "check availability" button to make sure the email address > you have chosen hasn't been already taken. > 4. During your creating an account process, you'll have to > either select a "security question" from the combo box or create > your own. This is a question that you have to answer if you > forget your password and want to access your Gmail account. > 5. When you get to the bottom and it says "type the characters > you see," you'll either have to use WebVisum or Solona, depending > on what browser you're using, or (unfortunately) you're going to > have to ask a sighted person to read the kaptcha to you. Maybe > you can do this while you are in a session with your reader. I > know it's annoying, and kaptchas need to be accessible, but > that's what you have to do currently. Sorry! > > Please note that once you have your Gmail account set up and you > try to go into the Web interface, you need to click the "basic > HTML" link. This is because when you first create your account, > it will be set to standard view, which isn't accessible. Once > you have selected basic HTML view, go into your Settings and > click "set basic HTML as default view." Let me know if you have > any questions! Hope this helps! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 16:29:18 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings > PageNoLongerAccessible > > Chris, how did you get your GMail service? > I did contact Web Visom's people, but they never responded. > I also found out, that it only works with Firefox. > I need something that will work for Internet Explorer. > They seriously need to fix their audio captcha! > Thanks, Joshua > > On 12/16/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Wow! Yahoo and accessible; two words I thought I would never > hear > in the same sentence! Well, now it's true! I'm still sticking > with my Gmail account, but even with that I'm mainly using a > third-party email client. > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the > Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired > youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carly To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > ,National Association of Blind Students > mailing list Date sent: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:25:42 -0800 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page > NoLongerAccessible > > > YAHOO seems to be more accessable, than Gmail.At 03:59 PM > 12/13/2011, > Joshua Lester wrote: > I haven't had any problems doing searches. > Navigating other parts of the site, may be a problem. > Even GMail's audio Captcha is inaccessible. > It won't play. > Google has a long way to go, as far as accessibility is > concerned. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > Hello Joshua, > > I just looked at this myself and, to my knowledge, they are > using sliders > that you can slide with a mouse instead of combo boxes, > checkboxes and radio > buttons. These sliders, of course, are not accessible with > JAWS > and NVDA. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 3:48 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings > Page > No > LongerAccessible > > It is accessible. > It says, "Screenreader users, click here." > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/13/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > I am bringing this to your attention as it looks like this > change occurred > just today. Please read on. This company is facing another > possible > lawsuit. > > -----Original Message----- > From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Gerald Levy > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 11:13 AM > To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org > Subject: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer > Accessible > > > Hi list. Has anyone else noticed that you can no longer change > your > search > preferences on the Google Search Settings page? The radio > boxes > previously > used to select a particular option under each heading seem to > have > vanished. > For instance, under the Google Instant heading, On and Off are > listed, but > there are no radio or check boxes to select the option you > want. > And > under > the Number of Search Results Per Page heading, the numbers 10, > 20, 30, 40, > 50 and 100 are listed, but there seems to be no way to select > the number > you > want. And nothing happens when you hit Space or Enter on the > Save button, > so there is apparently no way to activate it to save your > preferences like > you could before. I have tried JAWS 9, NVDA and SA to Go with > both IE 8 > and > Firefox, but can't select anything on the Search Settings page > no matter > what screen reader/browser combination I try. Has Google > suddenly made > its > Search Settings page inaccessible, and is there any work around > for this > problem? Google seems to be becoming less and less accessible > every day. > Maybe the NFB should look into this issue. Thanks for any > feedback. > > Gerald > > _______________________________________________ > gui-talk mailing list > gui-talk at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > gui-talk: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert. > humberto2%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.p > ccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu > mberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40ea > rthlink.net > > > > WARNING: The remainder of this message has not been transferred. > The estimated size of this message is 2019591155 bytes. > Click on the Retrieve From Server icon above and check mail > again > to > get the whole thing. 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If the > Retrieve > From Server icon is not showing, then this message is no longer > on the server. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From amylsabo at comcast.net Sat Dec 17 23:52:32 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 16:52:32 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] This Is Your Invitation To Attend The Audio Access FM Christmas Party In-Reply-To: References: <776CDA5387C04548B78704A5B1C755BB@pc2011> <07d101ccbc8f$165842d0$4308c870$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <009001ccbd16$f1f50a80$d5df1f80$@comcast.net> Thanks, I will do that! I do plan to submit some kind of message to you and every ne else too on the station! Thanks again and, happy holidays! Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:45 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] This Is Your Invitation To Attend The Audio Access FM Christmas Party Press the option that says you don't want to log in to the system just leave a message On 12/17/11, Amy Sabo wrote: > Dear david, > > Thanks as always for the invitation for all of the Christmas > events that you have planned for the station! I plan to > participate in all of them! As a matter of fact I have donated > some toys for tots to a local suburb here in Denver area last > weekend when I went to a friend's house for her annual Christmas > party. I have the receipt for it. Would this count for the > drawing for the bigger prizes perhaps? > > Well, that's all for now take care and, I will talk to you this > weekend! > > > > Hugs, > amy > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:57 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; > Discussion list for NABS, National Alliance of Blind Students. > Subject: [nabs-l] This Is Your Invitation To Attend The Audio > Access FM Christmas Party > > You've Been Invited To Attend The Audio Access FM 12 Days Of > Christmas Party!!! > > If you're receiving this invitation, then it means you've been > invited to participate in the Audio Access FM 12 Days Of > Christmas event, going from midnight December 13 2011 until > midnight December 26 2011, with the pre game festivities taking > place on the December 12 Djd Invasion starting at 8 PM eastern! > During this event, there will be special programs, holiday music > in the automation when no one is on the air, a chance to win > prizes, and more. > > So how can you participate? There are several ways for you to do > this: > 1. Want to send a special holiday wish to that special someone? > Maybe you have a Christmas song you'd love to perform and have > heard on the station? Or maybe you just want to send best wishes > to everyone. > What ever the case, give the Audio Access FM holiday line a call > at > 1-832-999-8883 > leave us your holiday comments, and not only will they be played > in the automation between songs, but if you send an email to > 12daysofchristmas at audioaccessfm.com > indicating your name after making the call, you'll be put into a > drawing to win various prizes: From an audible book of your > choice to an amazon gift card and more. These prizes will be sent > to individuals after the Christmas 12 Day event. > If you want to send me a song performance, send it as an mp3 > attachment to > 12daysofchristmas at audioaccessfm.com > You can send your holiday greeting that way if you'd like too! > > 2. Got Broadcasting Talent? > If you love doing internet radio, you'll be invited to do a > special show of your own on our station. You can choose to play > holiday music, or do the kind of show that you want to do, it's > up to you. > If interested, send an email to > 12daysofchristmas at audioaccessfm.com > telling me about the show you'd like to do and possible times. > Times for these special broadcasts are on a first come, first > serve basis, so if interested, let me know, there's only 12 > days!!! Broadcasters will receive their prizes once the event is > over! > > > 3. Give Back, Get Bigger Prizes! > > As some of you know, we have traditionally done an event to raise > money for The Make A Wish Foundation. However, for various > reasons, that fell through this year. Yet, we still have been > wanting to give back to people who do great things. > So if you visit the 12 days of Christmas event page at > http://www.audioaccessfm.com/12days > which will be up and live once the event has begun, you'll see > options to donate to various groups/charities. > Pick the one you want, send us the money, and within 24 hours, > we'll send you a receipt indicating that we've delivered your > donation to the charity of choice, and you will be entered in to > win one of our bigger prizes: From a talking mp3 player to > computer software and more! If we fail to deliver the receipt and > proof that we sent your money in the 24 hour time period we will > refund your money in full, and you will still be eligible for a > prize, since it would be our fault if the donation doesn't go > through to your charity/group of choice. These bigger prizes will > be awarded during The Djd Invasion Christmas Party on December > 19, since donations will close at that time. > There is one final and grand prize to be given away during the > Djd Invasion Christmas special...A trip to anywhere in the United > States! Details on that to come!!! > So there are many ways to be part of the party: Stop by The Djd > Invasion Christmas party, submit a holiday greeting, do a special > show for us, or help us give back! Either way, whatever you > contribute will help to make this an exciting online party, so we > hope to see you there! > Again, if you have questions, send them to > 12daysofchristmas at audioaccessfm.com > > From David Dunphy, Audio Access FM Station Manager > http://www.audioaccessfm.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co > mcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/djdrocks4ever %40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net From amylsabo at comcast.net Sat Dec 17 23:56:14 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 16:56:14 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] fw: holiday greetings to all! In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20111217042216.01cce868@earthlink.net> References: <4eebf8f0.056ae00a.7a78.6aa2@mx.google.com> <07d701ccbc92$fedff900$fc9feb00$@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20111217042216.01cce868@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <009101ccbd17$762a8fa0$627faee0$@comcast.net> Hello carly, Thanks for the sweet email that you just sent to me. Well, I'm originally from Michigan and, I have lived here in Denver for over at least 8 years. I lived in Littleton for about 6 years and, I now live in Englewood which I have lived there for about 2 years or so. As to where you had lived before that sounds cool! That's all in the downtown Denver area. As to attending the ccb well, that's a long story and, not for this list. But, if you want to chat with me just email me off list. Well, that's all for now take care and, I will talk to you soon. Hugs always, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 5:38 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] fw: holiday greetings to all! Good morning, Amy, Wanted to introduce myself my name is Carly and, your posts on the NABS list stand out because you close your letters by offering hugs, to your readers. From Where in Denver are you writing? Personally, I was the happiest ever while living in the places I had, located at 13th and Sherman and 13th and Grant in Capital Hill. I used to go to the main library at 13th and Broadway and check out stuff to scan. Can you still smoke cigarettes in Tom's Diner at Colfax and Pearl? I was also involved in the CCB which also could be a comfortable, spot. My friend, Tieu went to UNC up in Greeley and I made many a trip up there to see her on the bus. Oh, so many memories! I'd love to be considered your friend? I imagine you did the program at the CCB before you too, relocated to Denver? Where are you from originally? Your's for today, Carly Mihalakis-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum >Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 7:05 PM >To: NFB NABS list; Blind Talk list; NFBMD list; NFB History list; >bnu-dev at braillenoteusers.info; blind-conservative at emissives.com >Subject: [nabs-l] fw: holiday greetings to all! > >Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all this season! May they >be filled with family, friends, fun, and many memories! And, for >us Christians, let's not forget the true meaning of Christmas!! >Please read below for a great Christmas passage sent to me >through the BrailleNote list. Merry Christmas to all, > >Chris Nusbaum > > ---- Original Message ------ >From: mbern6516 at aol.com >Subject: [Braillenote] holiday greetings to all >Date sent: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:17:46 -0500 (EST) > >This is for all the members on the mailing lists mentioned above: >Just wanted to pop in, and spread a bit of holiday cheer to all >of >you, with the following passage: >What do we love about Christmas; >Does our delight reside in things? >Or are the feelings in our hearts >The real gift that Christmas brings. >It's seeing those we love, >And sending Christmas cards, too, >Appreciating people who bring us joy >Special people just like you. >I hope you all have a safe, enjoyable Christmas and New Year. If >Christmas is not the holiday celebrated in your individual >culture, >hope you have a safe and happy holiday, whatever it may be. >Mike >Rochester, NY. > > > > >___ >Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. >If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a >copy to the list as well. > >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to >braillenote-unsubscribe at list.humanware.com >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40c o >mcast.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40e arthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 00:52:48 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 19:52:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Speakers for GABS Monthly Teleconference Message-ID: <4eed396d.056ae00a.7a78.ffffe650@mx.google.com> I would also try to get somebody from the governmental affairs team at the national center, maybe John Parè or Jesse Hartle, to discuss in greater detail the issues for this year; they're experts after all! * Smile! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Arielle Silverman wrote: Hi Chris, Thank you so much for the suggestion! And it is kind of cool that we have the same signature! :) Best regards, LaKeisha On Dec 16, 2011, at 9:05 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Hi LaKeisha, If she would accept my recommendation, I would suggest Arielle Silverman. She is very familiar with Washington Seminar, as she has shown in her posts to this list, and I think she would be a great resource for your students. Hope this helps and good luck in finding speakers! By the way, I couldn't help but notice that you have the "real problem of blindness" quote from Dr. Jernigan in your email signature! I finally found a person who has that quote in their signature besides me; yea! * Smile! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: LaKeisha Holmes Thanks so much, Humberto! So, what do you do to submit a captcha image to Solona readers? And how do they get it back to you? Thanks! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Humberto Avila" wrote: Wow! Yahoo and accessible; two words I thought I would never hear in the same sentence! Well, now it's true! I'm still sticking with my Gmail account, but even with that I'm mainly using a third-party email client. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Carly ,National Association of Blind Students mailing list References: <4eed3f82.86d1e00a.338f.ffffe3f6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5A8EF07D42A04D629A56EEC440F93223@HUMBERTOAVILA> Hello Chris, Their instructions for doing this are at the web site. All you have to do is once you create the account with the solona web site, you will get a page where there is a link to download a free piece of software called the solona captcha tool. This tool will do all the housekeeping for you. When you go on a sign up web page that has an inaccessible captcha, you won't suffer now. Your problem can now be resolved by pressing a simple keystroke (It is control+Alt+S I believe by default; you can change it under the options dialog from the system tray), and the tool must be running in the system tray in order for this to work. After pressing the hot key, you will hear the camera sound indicating it is over taking the picture of the current foreground which is the web page you are sending with the inaccessible captcha. Next, you want to open a new tab on your browser or window. Then you go to www.solona.net and click the link to log in. then when you log in, there is a combo box that says the options you want. Scroll to captcha and hit continue. Then you can follow the instructions to submit the captcha. Basically, you upload the .png image file that the captcha tool created to the service. Then you will get a page, after submitting the file, about what to do and how to wait for the response. The response will be enclosed in a read-only edit box, (in case you don't know what those are, they are the edit boxes that do not allow you to type.) you must hit the refresh button provided on the web page (not the f5 key!) in order to receive the code of the captcha on that read only edit box. Before venturing out with this wonderful service, please read all instructions carefully and all procedures regarding privacy and stuff because, for example, they want the page containing the captcha to not be filled out of anything for sake of privacy. There are also instructions of where to find and change how the captcha tool manages file paths and the file for the image. All of this is again on the site. Lastly another word of warning, the solona service has a drawback. If when you log in, there is a message on the page that says "captcha solution service unavailable," please don't freak, it just means that there are currently no sighted volunteers to help with captcha solving at that time. In such case you can wait a couple hours or until the next day. Again this might be the only drawback. Hope this instruction booklet, embedded in an email, helps you! (smile) -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 5:19 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk] GoogleSearchSettingsPageNoLongerAccessible Thanks so much, Humberto! So, what do you do to submit a captcha image to Solona readers? And how do they get it back to you? Thanks! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Humberto Avila" wrote: Wow! Yahoo and accessible; two words I thought I would never hear in the same sentence! Well, now it's true! I'm still sticking with my Gmail account, but even with that I'm mainly using a third-party email client. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Carly ,National Association of Blind Students mailing list Hi, it's Joshua Lester. Humberto, Solona no longer exists. The owner fell ill, and discontinued the service. Blessings, Joshua From lakeisha.renee at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 13:12:49 2011 From: lakeisha.renee at gmail.com (LaKeisha Holmes) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 08:12:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Speakers for GABS Monthly Teleconference In-Reply-To: <4eed396d.056ae00a.7a78.ffffe650@mx.google.com> References: <4eed396d.056ae00a.7a78.ffffe650@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <57C51234-B83F-4519-A879-16D05DD4698D@gmail.com> Thank you!! Happy holidays Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2011, at 7:52 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > I would also try to get somebody from the governmental affairs team at the national center, maybe John > Parè or Jesse Hartle, to discuss in greater detail the issues for this year; they're experts after all! * Smile! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Arielle Silverman To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:48:05 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Seeking Speakers for GABS Monthly Teleconference > > Hi Chris, > Thank you for recommending me; I appreciate it. Since Mary is a past > president of GABS, I think she is probably a more appropriate person > to do the presentation. Also, I admit that while I have been to lots > of Washington Seminars, I don't know what our three issues are this > year. Have the priorities been published yet? > Best, > Arielle > > On 12/17/11, LaKeisha Holmes wrote: > Hi Chris, > Thank you so much for the suggestion! And it is kind of cool that we have > the same signature! :) > Best regards, > LaKeisha > On Dec 16, 2011, at 9:05 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > > Hi LaKeisha, > > If she would accept my recommendation, I would suggest Arielle Silverman. > She is very familiar with Washington Seminar, as she has shown in her > posts to this list, and I think she would be a great resource for your > students. Hope this helps and good luck in finding speakers! By the way, > I couldn't help but notice that you have the "real problem of blindness" > quote from Dr. Jernigan in your email signature! I finally found a person > who has that quote in their signature besides me; yea! * Smile! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in > Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive > technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be > equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation > and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: LaKeisha Holmes To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:43:14 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Speakers for GABS Monthly Teleconference > > Good afternoon, > My name is LaKeisha Holmes and I was recently elected as president of the > Georgia Association of Blind Students. We have teleconferences every > fourth Sunday of each month geared towards different topics. Our > teleconference next month will be focusing on Washington Seminar. I would > like for our students to hear from a fellow student who has experienced > the Washington Seminar and who is familiar with the three legislative > topics for this upcoming seminar. If you are interested in speaking with > the Georgia students, please contact me at lakeisha.renee at gmail.com. > Thank you > LaKeisha Holmes > President > Georgia Association of Blind Students > LaKeisha Holmes > President > Georgia Association of Blind Students > Phone: 404.580.3040 > [The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lakeisha.rene > e%40gmail.com > > LaKeisha Holmes > President > Georgia Association of Blind Students > Phone: 404.580.3040 > [The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem > is the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lakeisha.renee%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 17:39:08 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 12:39:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [gui-talk]GoogleSearchSettingsPageNoLongerAccessible Message-ID: <4eee254b.c8bee00a.4a79.3aa2@mx.google.com> Thanks! I will save this email and refer back to it. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Humberto Avila" wrote: Wow! Yahoo and accessible; two words I thought I would never hear in the same sentence! Well, now it's true! I'm still sticking with my Gmail account, but even with that I'm mainly using a third-party email client. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Carly ,National Association of Blind Students mailing list What? So we can't download it now? Any other captcha services for IE? Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester References: <4eee254f.c8bee00a.4a79.3aa6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Nope. Blessings, Joshua On 12/18/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > What? So we can't download it now? Any other captcha services for > IE? > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 06:14:38 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Humberto, Solona no longer exists. > The owner fell ill, and discontinued the service. > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Sun Dec 18 20:33:49 2011 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 15:33:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. Message-ID: 9cac6f9d-a8a5-4101-8f04-b9629e732f55@samobile.net I've taken a picture of the captcha and sent it to VizWiz using my iPhone. Respectfully, Jedi Original message: > Nope. > Blessings, Joshua > On 12/18/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> What? So we can't download it now? Any other captcha services for >> IE? >> Chris >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, >> 1968-1986 >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth >> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing >> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions >> which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more >> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit >> us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 06:14:38 -0600 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> Humberto, Solona no longer exists. >> The owner fell ill, and discontinued the service. >> Blessings, Joshua >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From carlymih at earthlink.net Sun Dec 18 22:06:53 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:06:53 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] fw: holiday greetings to all! In-Reply-To: <009101ccbd17$762a8fa0$627faee0$@comcast.net> References: <4eebf8f0.056ae00a.7a78.6aa2@mx.google.com> <07d701ccbc92$fedff900$fc9feb00$@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20111217042216.01cce868@earthlink.net> <009101ccbd17$762a8fa0$627faee0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20111218134726.01ccfda8@earthlink.net> Good Sunday afternoon, Amy, Honestly, I was not expecting to hear back from my pretty unsolicited, grope. I too lived downtown and in Littleton. As for my history with the CCB it is also quite, complicated maybe even convoluted as well. I never actually attended the center as a student. I was, I guess you could say kind of an ITP, groopy maybe even a hangers-on.. We should wrap. When I lived in the city I would go out to Englewood to of all socially, enlightened activities, shop at WalMart!!! I was much stupider in those days. My Colorado, experience ended in what some may call a tragedy but I assert it has helped with my overall sense of humility and realistic idea of my lot, in life. We ought to wrap, doncha think? your's for today, Car . sweet email that you just sent to me. Well, I'm >originally from Michigan and, I have lived here in Denver for >over at least 8 years. I lived in Littleton for about 6 years >and, I now live in Englewood which I have lived there for about 2 >years or so. As to where you had lived before that sounds cool! >That's all in the downtown Denver area. As to attending the ccb >well, that's a long story and, not for this list. But, if you >want to chat with me just email me off list. > >Well, that's all for now take care and, I will talk to you soon. > > > >Hugs always, >amy > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly >Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 5:38 AM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] fw: holiday greetings to all! > >Good morning, Amy, > >Wanted to introduce myself my name is Carly and, your posts on >the >NABS list stand out because you close your letters by offering >hugs, >to your readers. > > From Where in Denver are you writing? > >Personally, I was the happiest ever while living in the places I >had, >located at 13th and Sherman and 13th and Grant in Capital Hill. I > >used to go to the main library at 13th and Broadway and check >out >stuff to scan. Can you still smoke cigarettes in Tom's Diner at >Colfax and Pearl? I was also involved in the CCB which also could >be >a comfortable, spot. >My friend, Tieu went to UNC up in Greeley and I made many a trip >up >there to see her on the bus. Oh, so many memories! >I'd love to be considered your friend? I imagine you did the >program >at the CCB before you too, relocated to Denver? Where are you >from originally? >Your's for today, >Carly Mihalakis-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum > >Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 7:05 PM > >To: NFB NABS list; Blind Talk list; NFBMD list; NFB History >list; > >bnu-dev at braillenoteusers.info; blind-conservative at emissives.com > >Subject: [nabs-l] fw: holiday greetings to all! > > > >Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all this season! May they > >be filled with family, friends, fun, and many memories! And, for > >us Christians, let's not forget the true meaning of Christmas!! > >Please read below for a great Christmas passage sent to me > >through the BrailleNote list. Merry Christmas to all, > > > >Chris Nusbaum > > > > ---- Original Message ------ > >From: mbern6516 at aol.com > >Subject: [Braillenote] holiday greetings to all > >Date sent: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:17:46 -0500 (EST) > > > >This is for all the members on the mailing lists mentioned >above: > >Just wanted to pop in, and spread a bit of holiday cheer to all > >of > >you, with the following passage: > >What do we love about Christmas; > >Does our delight reside in things? > >Or are the feelings in our hearts > >The real gift that Christmas brings. > >It's seeing those we love, > >And sending Christmas cards, too, > >Appreciating people who bring us joy > >Special people just like you. > >I hope you all have a safe, enjoyable Christmas and New Year. >If > >Christmas is not the holiday celebrated in your individual > >culture, > >hope you have a safe and happy holiday, whatever it may be. > >Mike > >Rochester, NY. > > > > > > > > > >___ > >Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. > >If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a > >copy to the list as well. > > > >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > >braillenote-unsubscribe at list.humanware.com > >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info > >for nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40c >o > >mcast.net > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info for nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40e >arthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co >mcast.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From carlymih at earthlink.net Sun Dec 18 23:05:53 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 15:05:53 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. In-Reply-To: 9cac6f9d-a8a5-4101-8f04-b9629e732f55@samobile.net References: <9cac6f9d-a8a5-4101-8f04-b9629e732f55@samobile.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20111218150523.01d6a900@earthlink.net> Good Sunday afternoon,, Jedi, Are you also a total?At 12:33 PM 12/18/2011, Jedi wrote: >I've taken a picture of the captcha and sent it to VizWiz using my iPhone. > >Respectfully, >Jedi > > >Original message: >>Nope. >>Blessings, Joshua > >>On 12/18/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>What? So we can't download it now? Any other captcha services for >>>IE? > >>>Chris > >>>"The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>>real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>>exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>>opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>>nuisance." >>>-- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, >>>1968-1986 > >>> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth >>>in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing >>>assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions >>>which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more >>>information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit >>>us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Joshua Lester >>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 06:14:38 -0600 >>>Subject: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. > >>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>Humberto, Solona no longer exists. >>>The owner fell ill, and discontinued the service. >>>Blessings, Joshua > >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>for nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>>m%40gmail.com > >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > >-- >Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 02:53:19 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 18:53:19 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. In-Reply-To: <4eee254f.c8bee00a.4a79.3aa6@mx.google.com> References: <4eee254f.c8bee00a.4a79.3aa6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Are you kidding me? So badly? And I'm spending my precious time offering help by typing, typing, and typing? Well! So nuts! Give me a break! What a pity! I myself depended on their services by solving captchas. They helped me through: 1. My gMail email account sign up process; 2. a couple of scholarship applications for my college education; 3. my community college SMS / email alerts system sign up process. I just checked this myself, no longer there. I even googled it and the results were not what I wanted to search for. Now, what a pane, my independence just went down the drain by one link. The world of accessible captchas turned off on me again. So awful! -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:39 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. What? So we can't download it now? Any other captcha services for IE? Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester Darn! So, I guess our options are either to switch to Firefox and use WebVisum or (if there are any) use another service for IE. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: What? So we can't download it now? Any other captcha services for IE? Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester Is that app available for the iPod Touch? Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Jedi wrote: What? So we can't download it now? Any other captcha services for IE? Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester Message-ID: <006301ccbdfd$7df33c50$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Good evening again everyone, I saw this coming years ago and am glad I never relied on Salona to solve captchas. Will WebVism be next? Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. Is that app available for the iPod Touch? Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Jedi wrote: What? So we can't download it now? Any other captcha services for IE? Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester Hi, I'd like to know what search engine seems to work best for you: google your yahoo. It seems as if google is more accesible, though on my Braille-Note they both work. Vejas From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 08:22:34 2011 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina Cruz) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 03:22:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] google or yahoo? In-Reply-To: <4eeebbfe.44c8e00a.1a2a.7c27@mx.google.com> References: <4eeebbfe.44c8e00a.1a2a.7c27@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Good morning Vejas and list, I tend to mostly use Google because of its simple interface and as a gmail user I only have to go to one site to check mail. Anjelina On 12/18/11, vejas wrote: > > Hi, > I'd like to know what search engine seems to work best for you: > google your yahoo. It seems as if google is more accesible, > though on my Braille-Note they both work. > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Dec 19 12:25:42 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 06:25:42 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] google or yahoo? In-Reply-To: <4eeebbfe.44c8e00a.1a2a.7c27@mx.google.com> References: <4eeebbfe.44c8e00a.1a2a.7c27@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Google's main search page is very accessible. Yahoo is accessible to. Blessings, Joshua On 12/18/11, vejas wrote: > > Hi, > I'd like to know what search engine seems to work best for you: > google your yahoo. It seems as if google is more accesible, > though on my Braille-Note they both work. > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Dec 19 12:30:33 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 06:30:33 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. In-Reply-To: <006301ccbdfd$7df33c50$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <4eeea9c4.d2dee00a.1f07.00cb@mx.google.com> <006301ccbdfd$7df33c50$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: All I know, is what Ray Forrit Jr, from the NFB-Talk list told me, and on my own observation. I went to www.solona.net, and it said that Internet Explorer couldn't display the Webpage. Blessings, Joshua On 12/18/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Good evening again everyone, > > I saw this coming years ago and am glad I never relied on Salona to > solve captchas. Will WebVism be next? > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:04 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. > > > Is that app available for the iPod Touch? > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jedi To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 15:33:49 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. > > I've taken a picture of the captcha and sent it to VizWiz using > my iPhone. > > Respectfully, > Jedi > > > Original message: > Nope. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/18/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > What? So we can't download it now? Any other captcha services > for > IE? > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the > Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired > youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 06:14:38 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Humberto, Solona no longer exists. > The owner fell ill, and discontinued the service. > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi > %40samobile.net > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. > Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 15:48:47 2011 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:48:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Celebrate The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year Tonight With My Annual Djd Invasion Holiday Party Message-ID: <8797D331BE5B4E499511D91266B45BFB@pc2011> Hi Everyone! Before getting to the point of this email, I wanted to drop in and say that I hope everyone is having fun prepping for the Christmas holiday. We've got less than a week before Christmas comes. We here at Audio Access FM are in full swing celebration mode over here with our event called The 12 Days Of Christmas, where we're giving away prizes, playing awesome holiday music and more. To learn about this, go to http://www.audioaccessfm.com/12days But now we get to the bread and butter of this email: Well, that time has come once again. It's that time that many of you who have been listening to my online shows for years love so much. Join me tonight starting at 7 PM eastern on Audio Access FM as I present to you my annual Christmas event special "The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year: The Djd Invasion Holiday Party" Even if you don't celebrate Christmas, you will still enjoy yourself, for the mood during these shows is always festive and fun, and we have a blast! So whether you're decorating, rapping presents or just hanging out, we're the place to be tonight! A nice mix of classic holiday favorites, good conversation and interaction will make up your evening of holiday cheer on tonight's Djd Invasion, and don't forget... We're giving a trip to anywhere in the United States to one lucky listener! And you still have time to enter. The contest closes at 5 PM eastern! Simply email me at 12daysofchristmas at audioaccessfm.com with your name, email address, and a phone number or skype account where you can be reached. Then during tonight's show, we'll pick one lucky listener and we'll call or skype you live on the air to tell you that you've won. If you don't answer our call, another name will be drawn! But that's not all... Philip Bennefall of Blastbay Studios http://www.blastbay.com will drop by to tell us about his new site BanterBay, and to spend a few minutes celebrating the holiday with us. Others may show up too,you just never know. The only thing I know for sure is how much fun we're going to have and how musical, cool, and festive our holiday atmosphere will be. To participate/send requests, you can email them in at interact at audioaccessfm.com talk to us on twitter by sending a tweet to djdrocks Skype us at audio.accessfm or call us up at 516-324-2314 to get on air, make requests, or just to say hi! I love doing these holiday shows each year, and I expect tonight's show to be a blast, so to listen in, save this email, and at any time between 7 PM eastern and 11PM or so, head on over to http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php to tune in. This is the last Djd Invasion of the year, so let's go out with a bang! I hope to see you all there! Best regards, David Dunphy, Station Manager and host of The Djd Invasion, Audio Access FM http://www.audioaccessfm.com From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 20:19:05 2011 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:19:05 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] google or yahoo? In-Reply-To: References: <4eeebbfe.44c8e00a.1a2a.7c27@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I use gmail too. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina Cruz Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 12:23 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] google or yahoo? Good morning Vejas and list, I tend to mostly use Google because of its simple interface and as a gmail user I only have to go to one site to check mail. Anjelina On 12/18/11, vejas wrote: > > Hi, > I'd like to know what search engine seems to work best for you: > google your yahoo. It seems as if google is more accesible, > though on my Braille-Note they both work. > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co m From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Mon Dec 19 17:48:58 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 11:48:58 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] google or yahoo? In-Reply-To: References: <4eeebbfe.44c8e00a.1a2a.7c27@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Rania, how did you get the audio captcha to work, for GMail? Thanks, Joshua On 12/19/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: > I use gmail too. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Anjelina Cruz > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 12:23 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] google or yahoo? > > Good morning Vejas and list, > I tend to mostly use Google because of its simple interface and as a > gmail user I only have to go to one site to check mail. > > Anjelina > > On 12/18/11, vejas wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I'd like to know what search engine seems to work best for you: >> google your yahoo. It seems as if google is more accesible, >> though on my Braille-Note they both work. >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co > m > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From LRovig at nfb.org Mon Dec 19 16:01:57 2011 From: LRovig at nfb.org (Rovig, Lorraine) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:01:57 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] NASA Is Looking for interns with Disabilities in Summer 2012! (UNCLASSIFIED) Message-ID: This is a NASA advertisement to hire summer interns with disabilities. Applications are due in February. Please pass it on. There are three documents attached and a message below with contact information for the program. -----Original Message----- From: Coleman-Jones, Nancy E USA CIV (US) [mailto:nancy.e.coleman-jones.civ at mail.mil] To: xxx Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:31 AM Subject: FW: FYI Please Distribute Far and Wide: NASA Is Looking for interns with Disabilities in Summer 2012! (UNCLASSIFIED) Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE Disabilities in Summer 2012! NASA is looking to increase the number of students with disabilities pursuing science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) careers through our internship programs. We have a two-percent hiring goal. Students can apply for summer internships now! The deadline for submitting applications is February 1, 2012. They can register for an account and look for internships anytime at the One Stop Shopping Initiative (OSSI): Student On-Line Application for Recruiting interns, fellows and scholars (SOLAR) at http://intern.nasa.gov/ . Summer 2012 internships run for ten weeks from early June through early/mid August. NASA internships are also offered during Spring, Fall and Year Long Sessions. Please see the attached recruitment letter, the recruitment flier, and the instructions for how to use the on-line application system. Also, please feel free to contact me for more information or help with applying. Kenneth A. Silberman, Esq. U.S. Supreme Court, Maryland, & Patent Bars B.A., M.Eng., J.D. NASA Engineer & Registered Patent Attorney Education Office Code 160 NASA/GSFC Mailstop 160 Bldg. 28 Rm. 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I use web vision to work the adio capture On 12/19/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Rania, how did you get the audio captcha to work, for GMail? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 12/19/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >> I use gmail too. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Anjelina Cruz >> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 12:23 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] google or yahoo? >> >> Good morning Vejas and list, >> I tend to mostly use Google because of its simple interface and as a >> gmail user I only have to go to one site to check mail. >> >> Anjelina >> >> On 12/18/11, vejas wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> I'd like to know what search engine seems to work best for you: >>> google your yahoo. It seems as if google is more accesible, >>> though on my Braille-Note they both work. >>> Vejas >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >> m >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 Twitter http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 22:04:23 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:04:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] google or yahoo? In-Reply-To: References: <4eeebbfe.44c8e00a.1a2a.7c27@mx.google.com> Message-ID: sorry, webvism On 12/19/11, Lea williams wrote: > I like google best, less clutter to filter threw and I can navigate > threw it quicker. > I use web vision to work the adio capture > > On 12/19/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Rania, how did you get the audio captcha to work, for GMail? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 12/19/11, Rania Ismail CMT wrote: >>> I use gmail too. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Anjelina Cruz >>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 12:23 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] google or yahoo? >>> >>> Good morning Vejas and list, >>> I tend to mostly use Google because of its simple interface and as a >>> gmail user I only have to go to one site to check mail. >>> >>> Anjelina >>> >>> On 12/18/11, vejas wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I'd like to know what search engine seems to work best for you: >>>> google your yahoo. It seems as if google is more accesible, >>>> though on my Braille-Note they both work. >>>> Vejas >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > Twitter > http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 Twitter http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 From amylsabo at comcast.net Mon Dec 19 23:16:46 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 16:16:46 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] fw: holiday greetings to all! In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20111218134726.01ccfda8@earthlink.net> References: <4eebf8f0.056ae00a.7a78.6aa2@mx.google.com> <07d701ccbc92$fedff900$fc9feb00$@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20111217042216.01cce868@earthlink.net> <009101ccbd17$762a8fa0$627faee0$@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20111218134726.01ccfda8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <001201ccbea4$47a4d300$d6ee7900$@comcast.net> Hello kar, Thanks for the sweet email that you sent to me. Yes, we definitely need to wrap just email me off list. Take care and, I will talk to you soon! Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 3:07 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] fw: holiday greetings to all! Good Sunday afternoon, Amy, Honestly, I was not expecting to hear back from my pretty unsolicited, grope. I too lived downtown and in Littleton. As for my history with the CCB it is also quite, complicated maybe even convoluted as well. I never actually attended the center as a student. I was, I guess you could say kind of an ITP, groopy maybe even a hangers-on.. We should wrap. When I lived in the city I would go out to Englewood to of all socially, enlightened activities, shop at WalMart!!! I was much stupider in those days. My Colorado, experience ended in what some may call a tragedy but I assert it has helped with my overall sense of humility and realistic idea of my lot, in life. We ought to wrap, doncha think? your's for today, Car . sweet email that you just sent to me. Well, I'm >originally from Michigan and, I have lived here in Denver for >over at least 8 years. I lived in Littleton for about 6 years >and, I now live in Englewood which I have lived there for about 2 >years or so. As to where you had lived before that sounds cool! >That's all in the downtown Denver area. As to attending the ccb >well, that's a long story and, not for this list. But, if you >want to chat with me just email me off list. > >Well, that's all for now take care and, I will talk to you soon. > > > >Hugs always, >amy > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly >Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 5:38 AM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] fw: holiday greetings to all! > >Good morning, Amy, > >Wanted to introduce myself my name is Carly and, your posts on >the >NABS list stand out because you close your letters by offering >hugs, >to your readers. > > From Where in Denver are you writing? > >Personally, I was the happiest ever while living in the places I >had, >located at 13th and Sherman and 13th and Grant in Capital Hill. I > >used to go to the main library at 13th and Broadway and check >out >stuff to scan. Can you still smoke cigarettes in Tom's Diner at >Colfax and Pearl? I was also involved in the CCB which also could >be >a comfortable, spot. >My friend, Tieu went to UNC up in Greeley and I made many a trip >up >there to see her on the bus. Oh, so many memories! >I'd love to be considered your friend? I imagine you did the >program >at the CCB before you too, relocated to Denver? Where are you >from originally? >Your's for today, >Carly Mihalakis-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum > >Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 7:05 PM > >To: NFB NABS list; Blind Talk list; NFBMD list; NFB History >list; > >bnu-dev at braillenoteusers.info; blind-conservative at emissives.com > >Subject: [nabs-l] fw: holiday greetings to all! > > > >Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all this season! May they > >be filled with family, friends, fun, and many memories! And, for > >us Christians, let's not forget the true meaning of Christmas!! > >Please read below for a great Christmas passage sent to me > >through the BrailleNote list. Merry Christmas to all, > > > >Chris Nusbaum > > > > ---- Original Message ------ > >From: mbern6516 at aol.com > >Subject: [Braillenote] holiday greetings to all > >Date sent: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:17:46 -0500 (EST) > > > >This is for all the members on the mailing lists mentioned >above: > >Just wanted to pop in, and spread a bit of holiday cheer to all > >of > >you, with the following passage: > >What do we love about Christmas; > >Does our delight reside in things? > >Or are the feelings in our hearts > >The real gift that Christmas brings. > >It's seeing those we love, > >And sending Christmas cards, too, > >Appreciating people who bring us joy > >Special people just like you. > >I hope you all have a safe, enjoyable Christmas and New Year. >If > >Christmas is not the holiday celebrated in your individual > >culture, > >hope you have a safe and happy holiday, whatever it may be. > >Mike > >Rochester, NY. > > > > > > > > > >___ > >Replies to this message will go directly to the sender. > >If your reply would be useful to the list, please send a > >copy to the list as well. > > > >To leave the BrailleNote list, send a blank message to > >braillenote-unsubscribe at list.humanware.com > >To view the list archives or change your preferences, visit > >http://list.humanware.com/mailman/listinfo/braillenote > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info > >for nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40c >o > >mcast.net > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info for nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40e >arthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40c o >mcast.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40e arthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net From amylsabo at comcast.net Mon Dec 19 23:23:00 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 16:23:00 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Celebrate The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year Tonight With My Annual Djd Invasion Holiday Party In-Reply-To: <8797D331BE5B4E499511D91266B45BFB@pc2011> References: <8797D331BE5B4E499511D91266B45BFB@pc2011> Message-ID: <001301ccbea5$26b948a0$742bd9e0$@comcast.net> Hello david, I'm sooooo excited for this event for tonight! I'm sorry that I didn't send to you some of my Christmas music from my collection. The past weekend has been very exhausting and very personal for me with dealing with some dear friends and also getting some bad news from my best friend and also from my mom today. But, don't worry I will send it for the 12 days of Christmas celebration before the season ends as one of your Christmas presents! Anyway, I can't wait for this celebration which will be imo a smash! Take care and, I will see you soon! Merry Christmas, >From amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 8:49 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Celebrate The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year Tonight With My Annual Djd Invasion Holiday Party Hi Everyone! Before getting to the point of this email, I wanted to drop in and say that I hope everyone is having fun prepping for the Christmas holiday. We've got less than a week before Christmas comes. We here at Audio Access FM are in full swing celebration mode over here with our event called The 12 Days Of Christmas, where we're giving away prizes, playing awesome holiday music and more. To learn about this, go to http://www.audioaccessfm.com/12days But now we get to the bread and butter of this email: Well, that time has come once again. It's that time that many of you who have been listening to my online shows for years love so much. Join me tonight starting at 7 PM eastern on Audio Access FM as I present to you my annual Christmas event special "The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year: The Djd Invasion Holiday Party" Even if you don't celebrate Christmas, you will still enjoy yourself, for the mood during these shows is always festive and fun, and we have a blast! So whether you're decorating, rapping presents or just hanging out, we're the place to be tonight! A nice mix of classic holiday favorites, good conversation and interaction will make up your evening of holiday cheer on tonight's Djd Invasion, and don't forget... We're giving a trip to anywhere in the United States to one lucky listener! And you still have time to enter. The contest closes at 5 PM eastern! Simply email me at 12daysofchristmas at audioaccessfm.com with your name, email address, and a phone number or skype account where you can be reached. Then during tonight's show, we'll pick one lucky listener and we'll call or skype you live on the air to tell you that you've won. If you don't answer our call, another name will be drawn! But that's not all... Philip Bennefall of Blastbay Studios http://www.blastbay.com will drop by to tell us about his new site BanterBay, and to spend a few minutes celebrating the holiday with us. Others may show up too,you just never know. The only thing I know for sure is how much fun we're going to have and how musical, cool, and festive our holiday atmosphere will be. To participate/send requests, you can email them in at interact at audioaccessfm.com talk to us on twitter by sending a tweet to djdrocks Skype us at audio.accessfm or call us up at 516-324-2314 to get on air, make requests, or just to say hi! I love doing these holiday shows each year, and I expect tonight's show to be a blast, so to listen in, save this email, and at any time between 7 PM eastern and 11PM or so, head on over to http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php to tune in. This is the last Djd Invasion of the year, so let's go out with a bang! I hope to see you all there! Best regards, David Dunphy, Station Manager and host of The Djd Invasion, Audio Access FM http://www.audioaccessfm.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 00:15:33 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:15:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. Message-ID: <4eefd3b4.9448e00a.3cd8.fffff09c@mx.google.com> I sure hope not! Has the Federation done anything with access to Kaptchas? I haven't heard of anything about Kaptchas from the Federation outside of this and other lists, which surprises me. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Donahue" wrote: What? So we can't download it now? Any other captcha services for IE? Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester A press release from the national office: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Chris Danielsen Director of Public Relations National Federation of the Blind (410) 659-9314, extension 2330 (410) 262-1281 (Cell) cdanielsen at nfb.org National Federation of the Blind Secures Court Ruling Against Cardtronics Company Must Make ATMs Accessible or Face Sanctions Baltimore, Maryland (December 19, 2011): A federal court has found that Cardtronics, Inc., has failed to comply with the terms of a settlement and subsequent remediation plan reached with the National Federation of the Blind (NFB) and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts to make all of the automated teller machines owned by Cardtronics accessible to the blind. In an order dated December 15, 2011, the Honorable Nathaniel M. Gorton of the United States District Court for the District of Massachusetts found that Cardtronics had not complied with the terms of the settlement agreement or remediation plan and that civil contempt was therefore appropriate. Judge Gorton ordered Cardtronics to comply with the remaining terms by March 15, 2012, or face monetary sanctions of $50 per month for each ATM that remained inaccessible to blind users-giving the company the "Shakespearean warning" to "beware the ides of March." "Instead of admitting their non-compliance and promising better effort, defendants disingenuously claim they have complied in spite of a plethora of evidence to the contrary," Judge Gorton wrote in his memorandum opinion. "The deadlines they have consistently missed were, ironically, the ones they proposed in the first place." Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National Federation of the Blind, said: "It is critical that blind Americans have access to all of the technologies that are now a part of everyday life in the twenty-first century if we are to achieve full and equal integration into society, and this includes the technology necessary to handle our finances. Toward that end, we reached an agreement with Cardtronics to make its ATMs accessible, and when problems arose and initial deadlines were missed, we worked in good faith with the company to come up with a workable remediation plan. Sadly, however, Cardtronics has not complied with the agreed terms of the remediation plan. We are therefore pleased with the court's decision requiring Cardtronics to meet its legal obligations." ### About the National Federation of the Blind With more than 50,000 members, the National Federation of the Blind is the largest and most influential membership organization of blind people in the United States. The NFB improves blind people's lives through advocacy, education, research, technology, and programs encouraging independence and self-confidence. It is the leading force in the blindness field today and the voice of the nation's blind. In January 2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research and training center in the United States for the blind led by the blind. Please visit our Web site: www.nfb.org . Unsubscribe . From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 00:17:27 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:17:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Celebrate The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year Tonight WithMy Annual Djd Invasion Holiday Party Message-ID: <4eefd427.09bfe00a.776d.17f8@mx.google.com> This sounds * really * awesome!!!!! I'll definitely be there, assuming that my computer doesn't do something stupid when I try to load the stream! :) Well, it's 20 after 7; better get over there! Whoops... streamed the automation from the LiveWebDJ site; not supposed to do that! Well, that's the only stream that'll work on my BrailleNote! No wonder I never heard your voice nor any indication that this was a live show! Haha, duh!! Better fire up the computer and try my luck with WinAmp! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Dunphy" References: <4eefd3b4.9448e00a.3cd8.fffff09c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Chris, I have some information for you. The Department of Justice ruled, that companies were discriminating against the blind, if they used inaccessible captchas, so you can fight companies that use them, because according to the DOJ, they're violating the ADA. Blessings, Joshua On 12/19/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > I sure hope not! Has the Federation done anything with access to > Kaptchas? I haven't heard of anything about Kaptchas from the > Federation outside of this and other lists, which surprises me. > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Donahue" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:22:51 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. > > Good evening again everyone, > > I saw this coming years ago and am glad I never relied on > Salona to > solve captchas. Will WebVism be next? > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:04 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. > > > Is that app available for the iPod Touch? > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jedi To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 15:33:49 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. > > I've taken a picture of the captcha and sent it to VizWiz using > my iPhone. > > Respectfully, > Jedi > > > Original message: > Nope. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/18/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > What? So we can't download it now? Any other captcha services > for > IE? > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the > Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired > youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 06:14:38 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Humberto, Solona no longer exists. > The owner fell ill, and discontinued the service. > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi > %40samobile.net > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. > Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s > atx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com Tue Dec 20 01:23:35 2011 From: pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com (Peter Donahue) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:23:35 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. References: <4eefd3b4.9448e00a.3cd8.fffff09c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <002701ccbeb5$feef10a0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Hello Joshua and everyone, Can you show us the document please? Peter Donahue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. Chris, I have some information for you. The Department of Justice ruled, that companies were discriminating against the blind, if they used inaccessible captchas, so you can fight companies that use them, because according to the DOJ, they're violating the ADA. Blessings, Joshua On 12/19/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > I sure hope not! Has the Federation done anything with access to > Kaptchas? I haven't heard of anything about Kaptchas from the > Federation outside of this and other lists, which surprises me. > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Donahue" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:22:51 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. > > Good evening again everyone, > > I saw this coming years ago and am glad I never relied on > Salona to > solve captchas. Will WebVism be next? > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:04 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. > > > Is that app available for the iPod Touch? > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jedi To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 15:33:49 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. > > I've taken a picture of the captcha and sent it to VizWiz using > my iPhone. > > Respectfully, > Jedi > > > Original message: > Nope. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/18/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > What? So we can't download it now? Any other captcha services > for > IE? > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the > Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired > youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 06:14:38 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Humberto, Solona no longer exists. > The owner fell ill, and discontinued the service. > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi > %40samobile.net > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. > Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s > atx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Dec 20 01:26:15 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:26:15 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. In-Reply-To: <002701ccbeb5$feef10a0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> References: <4eefd3b4.9448e00a.3cd8.fffff09c@mx.google.com> <002701ccbeb5$feef10a0$9e010b43@yourfsyly0jtwn> Message-ID: Someone mentioned it on the NFB-Talk list, but didn't provide the doccumentation. I'll Google it. Blessings, Joshua On 12/19/11, Peter Donahue wrote: > Hello Joshua and everyone, > > Can you show us the document please? > > Peter Donahue > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 6:25 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. > > > Chris, I have some information for you. > The Department of Justice ruled, that companies were discriminating > against the blind, if they used inaccessible captchas, so you can > fight companies that use them, because according to the DOJ, they're > violating the ADA. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/19/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> I sure hope not! Has the Federation done anything with access to >> Kaptchas? I haven't heard of anything about Kaptchas from the >> Federation outside of this and other lists, which surprises me. >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, >> 1968-1986 >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth >> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing >> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions >> which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more >> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit >> us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter Donahue" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:22:51 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. >> >> Good evening again everyone, >> >> I saw this coming years ago and am glad I never relied on >> Salona to >> solve captchas. Will WebVism be next? >> >> Peter Donahue >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris Nusbaum" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:04 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. >> >> >> Is that app available for the iPod Touch? >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, >> 1968-1986 >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth >> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing >> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions >> which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more >> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit >> us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jedi > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 15:33:49 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. >> >> I've taken a picture of the captcha and sent it to VizWiz using >> my iPhone. >> >> Respectfully, >> Jedi >> >> >> Original message: >> Nope. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/18/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> What? So we can't download it now? Any other captcha services >> for >> IE? >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the >> Blind, >> 1968-1986 >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired >> youth >> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing >> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions >> which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more >> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit >> us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 06:14:38 -0600 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. >> >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> Humberto, Solona no longer exists. >> The owner fell ill, and discontinued the service. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info >> for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi >> %40samobile.net >> >> -- >> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. >> Visit >> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s >> atx.rr.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40satx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Dec 20 01:31:18 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:31:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Web Accessibility Message-ID: Hi list. I found something of interest on Wikipedia. Go there, and look up "Web Accessibility." There's some interesting information there. Blessings, Joshua From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 02:05:49 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 18:05:49 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Winter Bookshare Bulletin Message-ID: Hello All, see below for current bookshare news. Please note screen reader users, press letter H to skip these junk links. Happy reading! _____ From: Bookshare [mailto:Bookshare at mail.vresp.com] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 4:55 PM To: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Subject: Winter Bookshare Bulletin The Bookshare Bulletin: News and events for the Bookshare Community Full Speed AHEAD Books Without Barriers Issue 12: Winter 2011 Jump to <> Content Connect with Bookshare We invite you to join us on Facebook , or follow us on Twitter and Accessible Twitter . In This Issue Celebrations: * Greetings from the Bookshare Team <> * New Features in the Bookshare Website <> * Reading Is Coming Alive for Students <> * Seeking Early Bookshare Members <> * New Award for Implementation and Usage <> Family Reading: * Staff Picks for Holiday Reading <> * Boy Scout Manuals Now in Bookshare <> K-12 Educators Corner: * Mentor Teachers Update <> * District Administration Magazine Honors <> Bookshare * Creating an Accessible Book Program in Your <> School College News: * Effective Transition Planning <> Publishers News: * AEP 2011 Hall of Fame <> International Report: * Meet Kristina Pappas our new International <> Manager Staff Transitions: * Betsy Burgess <> Find Bookshare at Events: * Upcoming Conferences <> Unsubscribe The Bookshare Bulletin was sent to you because you wished to receive information about Bookshare or you subscribed at our web site . If you no longer want to receive The Bookshare Bulletin, please click the unsubscribe link at the bottom of this page. The Time of Year for Celebration Greetings from the Bookshare Team A photo of the Bookshare marketing staff in front of bookshelf. The Bookshare Team. >From fall to winter, one year to the next, one holiday to another, and even within the Bookshare website and team, changes are always happening. 2011 saw many changes - all good news for our members! 2012 will bring more. This year-end Bulletin reviews and previews what's happening in the website, a new award, reading coming alive, staff changes and more. New features in the Bookshare website Bookshare is excited to announce some new features coming in early 2012. Our team has worked hard on new tools and options to make using Bookshare even better. Here is a preview! We will tell you more about these changes before they go live. * Audio Book Formats - Bookshare members will soon be able to listen to books on MP3 players or any device that can play MP3; DAISY audio playable on MP3 players and other technologies will follow soon thereafter. In addition, we will provide a file manager that will make downloading, organizing, and transferring your books easy. * My Downloads - The My Downloads section will make it easier to find or search the books you have downloaded in the past, check the status of books that are still in the process of being prepared, and easily re-download books if you need them. * Simplified Download Process - You will be able to set global download preferences for book formats. This will make it faster and easier for members or teachers to download books on behalf of students in their preferred format every time. You will also still be able to easily select the format type each time you find a book. * New functionality that will make the administrative functions much easier for larger accounts, including the ability to filter by school and district and generate the list of the books they have downloaded that includes the student for whom each book was downloaded and the date on which each book was downloaded. Reading Is Coming Alive for Students A few months ago, we encouraged everyone to "Let Reading Come Alive and Download 5!" Did you try it and notice any change in your students? Over the fall, we received many emails from teachers telling us that, yes, reading is coming alive! Students are coming into classrooms saying they want to read. Teachers are reporting better reading scores and students reading at home. One student asked his teacher to download books for him. Another poured through one series and moved on to another. Yet another read every minute she could. Students are becoming readers, a statement worth much celebration! One student at a time, change is happening. Reading does come alive, thanks to all of you. Seeking Early Bookshare Members 2012 marks Bookshare's 10th year of providing services to people with print disabilities, and we are planning lots to celebrate! Are you an early Bookshare Member with a good story or perhaps a humorous anecdote about the early days? If so, please let us know through Contact Us. In the field "My question is about," select "Special Promotions." We will contact you with ideas about how you can participate. New Award for Implementation and Usage More than ever, implementation in districts, helping teachers and schools use Bookshare, is at the forefront of 2012 plans. This fall, the U.S. Department of Education, Office of Special Education Programs (OSEP) honored Benetech with another funding award, that we are calling LIT for Leveraging Impact Through Technology. This one-year award helps us to focus on more support for states, school districts and organizations who want to serve more students with qualified print disabilities. The key components of LIT are more content, more resources that will help more schools implement Bookshare, and more tools that will make it easier for all users to read books. For implementation, LIT includes free trainings in districts around the country. If you have at least 15 teachers available for a full-day lab training, your district could be eligible for a free Bookshare professional development workshop. To sign up, please submit an inquiry right away. We are booking workshops every week. With the new tools, all Members will find easier ways to read, using a cloud-based bookshelf, a cloud-based book reader, and a reader app for the Android platform. Full details are in our announcement . Back to Top <> Family Reading Staff Picks for Holiday Reading Good holiday stories are lifetime treasures, and make enjoyable holiday pastimes. Imagine, instead of eating too much, you set aside this holiday to read too much! That would be a change! Does your son or daughter have an individual membership so they can read as much as they want? Have you given individual memberships to your students so they can download on their own? Here's a list of top staff picks for good holiday reading for all ages. Boy Scout Manuals Now in Bookshare A new partnership with the Boy Scouts of America means your Scout, a parent, or a Scout Master with print disabilities can get the Handbook, Merit badge books, and other Scout Manuals in accessible formats. You can read about the partnership in this blog. Back to Top <> Educators' Corner Mentor Teachers Update by Kristina Cohen Already this year, 300 teachers have joined our national network of Bookshare Mentor Teachers. These dedicated teachers are helping others implement accessible instructional materials (AIM) in their classrooms. They participate in a listserv to share ideas. Often, the Mentors have told us about the personal satisfaction they get from helping students read and helping teachers get started with Bookshare. One Mentor has already indicated her willingness to visit other local schools! Besides personal satisfaction, there are some very cool prizes. If you are an educator familiar with Bookshare, and you'd like to help others, please sign up today and join this national movement. District Administration Magazine Honors Bookshare with Award! We're thrilled to be chosen ! After conducting a thorough review of hundreds of submissions, the editorial staff of District Administration (DA) magazine selected Bookshare as one of the Top 100 products for school districts. The winners include products for districts of all sizes and technologies for many uses, from information systems to assistive technologies. In announcing Bookshare as a winner, DA used a testimonial from Randy Pine, IEP teacher, District 27Q (N.Y.). He said "Bookshare has leveled the playing field for students with reading disabilities. All students can now take part in discussions and for the first time for most, feel positive about themselves and their school experience." Thanks, Randy, and all the Members who submitted testimonials on our behalf. Creating an Accessible Book Program in Your School A picture of a high school student in business suit sitting in front of computer. Student Wallace H. demonstrates how to use Bookshare and tells of his hopes to attend college and start a business. Thinking of taking the first steps to begin your Bookshare accessible book program? This "First Step" web page will guide you. A video from the Director of Low Incidence Disabilities in the District of Columbia Public Schools Bookshare describes the vision, first steps and plans for their accessible book program. This video includes student technology demonstrations. Please share it with your special education and curriculum teams. If you are training others to use Bookshare or just want to find out about the latest updates and benefits of providing digital books, please feel free to use any of the Bookshare training videos, free interactive webinars, guides and materials on our Training page. A fun and useful video titled, "What Am I?" introduces the concept of accessible books. Back to Top <> College News Effective Transition Planning by Cherie Miller With good planning, moving on from high school to a vocational school, work environment, university or community college can be a positive experience for students and their families. Bookshare is a resource that easily accompanies a student on their academic journey. College classes require reading - from literature to research materials. High school students who are skilled with assistive reading technologies find confidence to tackle college reading requirements. If the high school student you know has a Bookshare membership through their school, library or other organization, now is the best time to suggest they create an individual membership. It's like an unlimited library card. Books can be selected and downloaded independently, during the day or night, in a dorm room, student union or at home. Students can easily have an individual membership created for them by the organization that serves them, or they can go to www.Bookshare.org and create their own membership by faxing in their proof of disability. (Students under 18 require a parent signature.) Bookshare's free online digital library - and two free reading tools - can help students achieve the goals of a successful transition from high school. For example, students will find books on college readiness and the application process, information on scholarships and standardized test prep and more in the Student Resources special collection. Students going to work or a vocational education program will find information on careers and work by browsing through a Career Resources special collection. With Bookshare to help them, students with print disabilities who qualify find books they want to read and keep up more easily with their non-disabled peers. Help them sign up for their individual Bookshare membership today! Back to Top <> Publisher and Partnership News AEP 2011 Hall of Fame by Robin Seaman In early December, I attended the Association of Education Publishers, 2011 Hall of Fame honoring three visionaries and leaders in the education field. Dr. Charlotte Frank from McGraw Hill, Don Johnston from Don Johnston, Incorporated who provided the Read:OutLoud Bookshare Edition reading software to us, and Paul McFall from Pearson School. More than two hundreds peers and colleagues recognized these individuals for their outstanding contributions to the K-12 education field and we celebrate their good works! Back to Top <> International Update A Big Welcome to Kristina Pappas as International Program Manager headshot of Kristina Pappas. Kristina Pappas Kristina Pappas is the new International Program Manager for Bookshare. Prior to joining the team, Kristina worked at Farmigo, an Internet startup company that creates web-based software for community supported food programs such as CSAs; at the Natural Resources Defense Council; and at Fair Trade USA. She worked for over 10 years in international sales and foreign rights in the publishing industry, at IDG Books, McGraw-Hill, and Chronicle Books. Kristina holds a BA in Comparative Literature from Stanford University and an MBA in Sustainability from Presidio Graduate School. Kristina provided the following update on the international program. Bookshare's international presence continues to grow, with members in over 30 countries. We recently welcomed three new partner organizations who are reaching out to the community with print disabilities in their countries: NLB (Norwegian Library of Talking Books and Braille) in Norway, Hoerbuecherei des OSBV (Talking Book Library) in Austria, and the Dorina Nowill Foundation in Brazil. International members now have access to more than 50,000 titles in most countries, including books in Spanish, German, French, Hindi, and Tamil, and a robust collection of textbooks in Afrikaans! A diverse Bookshare team is working on a special project with Qatar's Mada Assistive Technology Center to add Arabic-language books to the collection; these will be available in early 2012. Meanwhile, in India, 500 of our chopped-up books have found a new life with Vedavalli Vidyalaya in Ranipet (rural Tamil Nadu). Vedavalli Vidyalaya serves over 20 villages in and around Ranipet and is one of the few schools in a 100-mile radius to deliver high-quality education to students who cannot travel to the nearest city, Chennai. This is their very first library and the children are quite thrilled with the books they inherited (all nicely rebound, thanks to Bookshare's local book processing partner, Worth Trust). Back to Top <> Staff Announcements Betsy Burgess headshot of Betsy Burgess Betsy Burgess Someone familiar to you has joined our communications team. After serving as the Director of Marketing for almost four years, Betsy Burgess decided to step into a part-time role on the PR team for a lifestyle change - a transition towards retirement. We're glad she's still with us, working on news, the blog, Bulletin, and many other communications. She's here; you can still reach her, but you may not see her. More news next time about our new Marketing Director. Back to Top <> Bookshare on the Move Visit us at these conferences in early 2012 January 2012 Assistive Technology Industry Association (ATIA) Orlando, FL - 1/26-1/29 February 2012 Learning Disabilities Association of America (LDA) Chicago, IL - 2/22-2/25 CSUN International Technology & Persons with Disabilities Conference San Diego, CA - 2/27-3/3 Back to Top <> The Gift of an Individual Bookshare Membership keeps on giving! Treat your friends or students to their own Bookshare memberships for the holidays. Remember memberships are free for qualified U.S. students. Back to Top <> Is Bookshare Your 'Worthy Cause'? End of year contributions to a worthy cause are tax deductible. As a 501(c)(3) organization, Bookshare can accept contributions in cash, although checks would help you track your donations for tax purposes. You can donate by credit card or stock contribution too. Thank you. For more information, visit our Contribute page. Back to Top <> Social Media Are you a fan of Bookshare on Facebook yet? As a fan, you will get great updates and feedback from Bookshare staff, members and fans. You can also check out the new Read2Go Facebook page too! Bookshare is also on Twitter . Read all the daily news, and feel free to retweet or send us a tweet! www.twitter.com/bookshare www.facebook.com/pages/Bookshare Twitter Facebook Wishing you a wonderful and magical holiday season! Sincerely, The Bookshare Staff Back to Top <> Copyright C 2011 BenetechR. 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From dandrews at visi.com Tue Dec 20 02:14:16 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:14:16 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: National Federation of the Blind Secures Court Ruling Against Cardtronics Message-ID: > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > > > >CONTACT: > >Chris Danielsen > >Director of Public Relations > >National Federation of the Blind > >(410) 659-9314, extension 2330 > >(410) 262-1281 (Cell) > >cdanielsen at nfb.org > > > > >National Federation of the Blind Secures > Court Ruling Against Cardtronics > > > > > >Company Must Make ATMs Accessible or Face Sanctions > > > > > >Baltimore, Maryland (December 19, 2011): A >federal court has found that Cardtronics, Inc., >has failed to comply with the terms of a >settlement and subsequent remediation plan >reached with the National Federation of the >Blind (NFB) and the Commonwealth of >Massachusetts to make all of the automated >teller machines owned by Cardtronics accessible >to the blind. In an order dated December 15, >2011, the Honorable Nathaniel M. Gorton of the >United States District Court for the District of >Massachusetts found that Cardtronics had not >complied with the terms of the settlement >agreement or remediation plan and that civil >contempt was therefore appropriate. Judge >Gorton ordered Cardtronics to comply with the >remaining terms by March 15, 2012, or face >monetary sanctions of $50 per month for each ATM >that remained inaccessible to blind users­giving >the company the “Shakespearean warning” to “beware the ides of March.” > > > >“Instead of admitting their non-compliance and >promising better effort, defendants >disingenuously claim they have complied in spite >of a plethora of evidence to the contrary,” >Judge Gorton wrote in his memorandum >opinion. “The deadlines they have consistently >missed were, ironically, the ones they proposed in the first place.” > > > >Dr. Marc Maurer, President of the National >Federation of the Blind, said: “It is critical >that blind Americans have access to all of the >technologies that are now a part of everyday >life in the twenty-first century if we are to >achieve full and equal integration into society, >and this includes the technology necessary to >handle our finances. Toward that end, we >reached an agreement with Cardtronics to make >its ATMs accessible, and when problems arose and >initial deadlines were missed, we worked in good >faith with the company to come up with a >workable remediation plan. Sadly, however, >Cardtronics has not complied with the agreed >terms of the remediation plan. We are therefore >pleased with the court’s decision requiring >Cardtronics to meet its legal obligations.” > > > > > >### > > > >About the National Federation of the Blind > >With more than 50,000 members, the National >Federation of the Blind is the largest and most >influential membership organization of blind >people in the "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" >/>United States. The NFB improves blind >people’s lives through advocacy, education, >research, technology, and programs encouraging >independence and self-confidence. It is the >leading force in the blindness field today and >the voice of the nation's blind. In January >2004 the NFB opened the National Federation of >the Blind Jernigan Institute, the first research >and training center in the United States for the >blind led by the blind. Please visit our Web >site: www.nfb.org. From lilrichie411 at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 02:37:43 2011 From: lilrichie411 at gmail.com (Jordan Richardson) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 20:37:43 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Dennis R. Sumlin speaks on how blindness is treated in society Message-ID: <3B40A514-8590-43DE-A4C1-E41765D00CDF@gmail.com> Hey guys, This is Dennis Sumlin from New York talking about blindness. Respectfully, Jordan Richardson mn-abs president Check out this video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rjb9qHk2gCo&feature=youtube_gdata_player Sent from my iPod From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Dec 20 04:43:56 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 22:43:56 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow Message-ID: Hi, it's Joshua Lester. Well, as the subject line says, I have a meeting with this new DSB counselor, tomorrow at 11. This is my first time meeting her in person. I've talked to her over the phone, and couldn't stand her. She asked questions, about stuff that was of no concern to her, the first time she called, which put her in bad standing with me. I want my old councelor back! Let's hope she's able to get my books in Braille, and hopefully I can talk them into buying me a Pac Mate. Thanks, Joshua From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Dec 20 04:52:29 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:52:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88374EFEDC5544DCAD969DF9C39AB34F@OwnerPC> do you mean your rehab counselor through vr? -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 11:43 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow Hi, it's Joshua Lester. Well, as the subject line says, I have a meeting with this new DSB counselor, tomorrow at 11. This is my first time meeting her in person. I've talked to her over the phone, and couldn't stand her. She asked questions, about stuff that was of no concern to her, the first time she called, which put her in bad standing with me. I want my old councelor back! Let's hope she's able to get my books in Braille, and hopefully I can talk them into buying me a Pac Mate. Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From amylsabo at comcast.net Tue Dec 20 07:02:13 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 00:02:13 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] HELLO ALL, RE: Dennis R. Sumlin speaks on how blindness is treated in society Message-ID: <000001ccbee5$4d625560$e8270020$@comcast.net> I JUST GOT DONE WATCHING THIS MOVIE ON UTUBE ABOURT DENNIS AND, I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY WELL DONE IMO... THANKS FOR SHARING THIS AND, I WILL TALK TO YOU ALL SOON! HAPPY HOLIDAYS, FROM AMY -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordan Richardson Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 7:38 PM To: Minnesota Association of Blind Students; MN Blind Student Board; nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Dennis R. Sumlin speaks on how blindness is treated in society Hey guys, This is Dennis Sumlin from New York talking about blindness. Respectfully, Jordan Richardson mn-abs president Check out this video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rjb9qHk2gCo&feature=youtube_gdata_ player Sent from my iPod _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Dec 20 13:40:19 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:40:19 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow In-Reply-To: <88374EFEDC5544DCAD969DF9C39AB34F@OwnerPC> References: <88374EFEDC5544DCAD969DF9C39AB34F@OwnerPC> Message-ID: This is the Division of Services for the Blind, in Pine Bluff, Arkansas, headquartered in Little Rock. That's our rehab. She asked me, the first time she called me, if I had any doctor's appointments, in the last week. I put my mom on the phone, because I was offended that she would ask something that was none of her business! Then, I found out, she asked my mom if I had seen an optomotrist, to prove that I was blind. How dumb can someone be? She knew I had Optic Nerve Hypoplasia, if she would have looked at the file! Now, I'm afraid of what she will ask me, in person! Blessings, Joshua On 12/19/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > do you mean your rehab counselor through vr? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 11:43 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Well, as the subject line says, I have a meeting with this new DSB > counselor, tomorrow at 11. > This is my first time meeting her in person. > I've talked to her over the phone, and couldn't stand her. > She asked questions, about stuff that was of no concern to her, the > first time she called, which put her in bad standing with me. > I want my old councelor back! > Let's hope she's able to get my books in Braille, and hopefully I can > talk them into buying me a Pac Mate. > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From isaiah5719 at mchsi.com Tue Dec 20 13:48:39 2011 From: isaiah5719 at mchsi.com (Loren Wakefield) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:48:39 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow In-Reply-To: References: <88374EFEDC5544DCAD969DF9C39AB34F@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I will be meetting with my counselor in about an hour or so. It should be an interesting meeting. I hope it is not a total waste of time. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 7:40 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow This is the Division of Services for the Blind, in Pine Bluff, Arkansas, headquartered in Little Rock. That's our rehab. She asked me, the first time she called me, if I had any doctor's appointments, in the last week. I put my mom on the phone, because I was offended that she would ask something that was none of her business! Then, I found out, she asked my mom if I had seen an optomotrist, to prove that I was blind. How dumb can someone be? She knew I had Optic Nerve Hypoplasia, if she would have looked at the file! Now, I'm afraid of what she will ask me, in person! Blessings, Joshua On 12/19/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > do you mean your rehab counselor through vr? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 11:43 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Well, as the subject line says, I have a meeting with this new DSB > counselor, tomorrow at 11. > This is my first time meeting her in person. > I've talked to her over the phone, and couldn't stand her. > She asked questions, about stuff that was of no concern to her, the > first time she called, which put her in bad standing with me. > I want my old councelor back! > Let's hope she's able to get my books in Braille, and hopefully I can > talk them into buying me a Pac Mate. > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/isaiah5719%40mchsi.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Dec 20 13:53:51 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:53:51 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow In-Reply-To: References: <88374EFEDC5544DCAD969DF9C39AB34F@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Same here. Mr Wakefield, I E-mailed you a while back, because you share the last name of a minister friend of mine, that I lost contact with. Please E-mail me offlist. Thanks, Joshua On 12/20/11, Loren Wakefield wrote: > I will be meetting with my counselor in about an hour or so. It should be > an interesting meeting. I hope it is not a total waste of time. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 7:40 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow > > This is the Division of Services for the Blind, in Pine Bluff, > Arkansas, headquartered in Little Rock. > That's our rehab. > She asked me, the first time she called me, if I had any doctor's > appointments, in the last week. > I put my mom on the phone, because I was offended that she would ask > something that was none of her business! > Then, I found out, she asked my mom if I had seen an optomotrist, to > prove that I was blind. > How dumb can someone be? > She knew I had Optic Nerve Hypoplasia, if she would have looked at the file! > Now, I'm afraid of what she will ask me, in person! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/19/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> do you mean your rehab counselor through vr? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 11:43 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow >> >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> Well, as the subject line says, I have a meeting with this new DSB >> counselor, tomorrow at 11. >> This is my first time meeting her in person. >> I've talked to her over the phone, and couldn't stand her. >> She asked questions, about stuff that was of no concern to her, the >> first time she called, which put her in bad standing with me. >> I want my old councelor back! >> Let's hope she's able to get my books in Braille, and hopefully I can >> talk them into buying me a Pac Mate. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/isaiah5719%40mchsi.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From isaiah5719 at mchsi.com Tue Dec 20 14:09:03 2011 From: isaiah5719 at mchsi.com (Loren Wakefield) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 08:09:03 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow In-Reply-To: References: <88374EFEDC5544DCAD969DF9C39AB34F@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4035191BAC1243D7B697E45B4F6E1640@LorenPC> Sorry I lost your email. Mine is isaiah5719 at mchsi.com -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 7:53 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow Same here. Mr Wakefield, I E-mailed you a while back, because you share the last name of a minister friend of mine, that I lost contact with. Please E-mail me offlist. Thanks, Joshua On 12/20/11, Loren Wakefield wrote: > I will be meetting with my counselor in about an hour or so. It should be > an interesting meeting. I hope it is not a total waste of time. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 7:40 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow > > This is the Division of Services for the Blind, in Pine Bluff, > Arkansas, headquartered in Little Rock. > That's our rehab. > She asked me, the first time she called me, if I had any doctor's > appointments, in the last week. > I put my mom on the phone, because I was offended that she would ask > something that was none of her business! > Then, I found out, she asked my mom if I had seen an optomotrist, to > prove that I was blind. > How dumb can someone be? > She knew I had Optic Nerve Hypoplasia, if she would have looked at the > file! > Now, I'm afraid of what she will ask me, in person! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/19/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> do you mean your rehab counselor through vr? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 11:43 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow >> >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> Well, as the subject line says, I have a meeting with this new DSB >> counselor, tomorrow at 11. >> This is my first time meeting her in person. >> I've talked to her over the phone, and couldn't stand her. >> She asked questions, about stuff that was of no concern to her, the >> first time she called, which put her in bad standing with me. >> I want my old councelor back! >> Let's hope she's able to get my books in Braille, and hopefully I can >> talk them into buying me a Pac Mate. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/isaiah5719%40mchsi.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/isaiah5719%40mchsi.com From agrima at nbp.org Tue Dec 20 16:27:22 2011 From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:27:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] December book club selection: Snowflake Bentley Message-ID: <006201ccbf34$40d139c0$c273ad40$@org> December 2011 Book Club Selection Snowflake Bentley By Jacqueline Briggs Martin Print/braille edition, $7.99 In contracted braille with skip lines Ages 4-8 Includes a sheet of tactile illustrations of different snowflakes by artist Ann Cunningham. Most children are captivated by snow, but how many go on to make it their lifework? >From the time he was a little boy, Wilson Bentley loved snow. Yet snow was frustrating to him. He could pick flowers for his mother or net butterflies, but he couldn't hold on to snowflakes. Bentley tried drawing snow crystals, but they would melt too quickly. Then, as a teenager in the 1870s, he read about a camera with a microscope. His family were Vermont farmers, but they scraped together the money to buy him the camera. From then on, there was no stopping Bentley, who was nicknamed Snowflake. He spent winters photographing the intricate flakes. At first no one cared - 'Snow in Vermont is as common as dirt!' But Bentley found fame as a nature photographer, and even today his photo book of snowflakes is considered a primary source. 'There will be so many uses for this book - not the least of which is simply handing it to children and letting their imaginations soar like Bentley's!' - Booklist, starred review Awards 1999 Caldecott Medal Winner Booklist Editors Choice Bulletin of the Center for Children's Books Blue Ribbon NSTA-CBC Outstanding Science Trade Book for Children New York Public Library's 100 Titles for Reading and Sharing To order or read more about this book online, visit http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/BC1112-SNOWFLAKE.html ****** To order any books, send payment to: NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302 Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext 520. Or order any of our books online at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html . From rmiller at osb.k12.ok.us Tue Dec 20 18:39:23 2011 From: rmiller at osb.k12.ok.us (Robert Miller) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:39:23 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail View- HTML or Standard Message-ID: In the past I've been told if you use a screen reader such as JAWS, you should switch to the HTML view; it's more user friendly. Is this still true? Or, does the Standard view work just as well? I would appreciate any thoughts on this topic, thank you! Robert From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Dec 20 19:00:31 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:00:31 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail View- HTML or Standard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No. You can't send E-mails, or delete them, using standard, because those links have to be clicked on, instead of you arrowing down, and then hitting enter. Blessings, Joshua On 12/20/11, Robert Miller wrote: > In the past I've been told if you use a screen reader such as JAWS, you > should switch to the HTML view; it's more user friendly. Is this still true? > Or, does the Standard view work just as well? I would appreciate any > thoughts on this topic, thank you! > Robert > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Dec 20 19:19:02 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:19:02 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! Message-ID: Hi, it's Joshua Lester. I'm tired of these slow DSB people! I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she didn't show up! She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the campus, 30 miles away. She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling our cell phone, she called our home phone. She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. She was supposed to meet us at the student center. She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she needed to meet with. On another note, I have my Spring schedule. I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep me out of church. This has been a bad day! Blessings, Joshua From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Dec 20 23:36:57 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:36:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail View- HTML or Standard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <183B7FA84FB4434480E4EE02A696533F@OwnerPC> you still need basic html for links to work -----Original Message----- From: Robert Miller Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 1:39 PM To: NET NABS Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail View- HTML or Standard In the past I've been told if you use a screen reader such as JAWS, you should switch to the HTML view; it's more user friendly. Is this still true? Or, does the Standard view work just as well? I would appreciate any thoughts on this topic, thank you! Robert _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 23:43:40 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:43:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail View- HTML or Standard Message-ID: <4ef11dbc.83d6e00a.018d.ffffb561@mx.google.com> The HTML view is the only accessible view with JAWS still; standard view doesn't work. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Miller References: <4ef11dbc.83d6e00a.018d.ffffb561@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7AE4B44528E54BDDA299923C62A30967@HUMBERTOAVILA> Hello all, I found that the standard view in gMail does work with JAWS 12 and later, however, you have to use Mozilla Firefox. JAWS supports the Google chat feature, available within the standard view pages, and also the many fancy style features found on the pages of standard gMail view. Apparently, Firefox is better in terms of reliability with JAWS, and I've proved this to be true. So if you want to use the gMail interface in standard view, use Firefox if you have it installed on your computer. If not, you can download from http://www.mozilla.org/firefox. You will find how accessible gMail is with this browser. It even supports the calendar feature on Google. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 3:44 PM To: Robert Miller; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Gmail View- HTML or Standard The HTML view is the only accessible view with JAWS still; standard view doesn't work. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Miller References: Message-ID: Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to do your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least every other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable schedules that fit yhour needs that way. Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, Jewel On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I'm tired of these slow DSB people! > I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she > didn't show up! > She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the > campus, 30 miles away. > She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never > thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. > The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling our > cell phone, she called our home phone. > She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. > She was supposed to meet us at the student center. > She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. > Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she > needed to meet with. > On another note, I have my Spring schedule. > I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep > me out of church. > This has been a bad day! > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Dec 21 18:00:02 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 12:00:02 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. This is the only time the class is offered. Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. Blessings, Joshua On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: > Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do > to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to do > your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have > apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next > semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I > have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least every > other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). > This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This > coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, > Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority > registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable schedules > that fit yhour needs that way. > > Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, > Jewel > > On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >> didn't show up! >> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >> campus, 30 miles away. >> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling our >> cell phone, she called our home phone. >> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >> needed to meet with. >> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >> me out of church. >> This has been a bad day! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From Robert.Spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu Wed Dec 21 18:56:15 2011 From: Robert.Spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu (Spangler, Robert) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 18:56:15 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Message-ID: Hello all, I am thinking of applying for graduate school when I return from my trip in Spain next year. Many graduate programs do not require GRE scores but it seems as though the better ones do. First, what are your opinions; is a program generally of higher quality if it requires GRE scores? I have actually seen several programs that look pretty good that do not require GRE scores. I have also noticed that some of the best schools in the country, such as OSU and UW require GRE scores. Next, what are your experiences as blind people taking the GRE? IT appears as though, if one requires special accommodations, they are unable to register for the test online. Also, the GRE is computer-based; would we take that version or a modified version of the paper copy? In the bulletin, it recommends first that I ask the prospective institution if I can submit something else in place of GRE scores; what are opinions on this? Thanks, Robby -- Robert Spangler The University of Toledo Senior, Urban Studies and Spanish robert.spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 18:59:48 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:59:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <841EAC9043FF4E2C95FF38E73CC7E0DC@Cptr233> If you have been registered at this community college, you should be able to register for class before other students. All colleges have it that way, unlike if you were a new student then you have to register later. But I am assuming you have been going to this community college for a while. So you won't be able to be at your church, but having the sermon online is very good too. God does not care where you worship. And I am sure people at the church will understand why you are not there. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:00 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. This is the only time the class is offered. Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. Blessings, Joshua On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: > Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do > to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to do > your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have > apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next > semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I > have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least every > other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). > This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This > coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, > Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority > registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable schedules > that fit yhour needs that way. > > Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, > Jewel > > On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >> didn't show up! >> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >> campus, 30 miles away. >> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling our >> cell phone, she called our home phone. >> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >> needed to meet with. >> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >> me out of church. >> This has been a bad day! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co m >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6732 (20111221) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6732 (20111221) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Dec 21 20:26:38 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:26:38 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: <841EAC9043FF4E2C95FF38E73CC7E0DC@Cptr233> References: <841EAC9043FF4E2C95FF38E73CC7E0DC@Cptr233> Message-ID: It's just going to be hard on them, because I'm the only pianist they have. This Biology class is only offered at this time, because we have an instructor that drives from headquarters, (Helena, Arkansas.) Blessings, Joshua On 12/21/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > If you have been registered at this community college, you should be able to > register for class before other students. All colleges have it that way, > unlike if you were a new student then you have to register later. But I am > assuming you have been going to this community college for a while. > > So you won't be able to be at your church, but having the sermon online is > very good too. God does not care where you worship. And I am sure people at > the church will understand why you are not there. > > Marsha > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:00 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. > We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. > This is the only time the class is offered. > Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do >> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to do >> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least every >> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, >> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority >> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable schedules >> that fit yhour needs that way. >> >> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >> Jewel >> >> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>> didn't show up! >>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >>> campus, 30 miles away. >>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling our >>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>> needed to meet with. >>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >>> me out of church. >>> This has been a bad day! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co > m >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co > m > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6732 (20111221) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6732 (20111221) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 20:43:08 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:43:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: References: <841EAC9043FF4E2C95FF38E73CC7E0DC@Cptr233> Message-ID: you can choose to not take classes at those hours, just get other ones at a different time if you can. did you have this issues last time too? I think i remember you saying that. and We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. this is not true. I go to one, and we have it. On 12/21/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > It's just going to be hard on them, because I'm the only pianist they have. > This Biology class is only offered at this time, because we have an > instructor that drives from headquarters, (Helena, Arkansas.) > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/21/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> If you have been registered at this community college, you should be able >> to >> register for class before other students. All colleges have it that way, >> unlike if you were a new student then you have to register later. But I am >> assuming you have been going to this community college for a while. >> >> So you won't be able to be at your church, but having the sermon online is >> very good too. God does not care where you worship. And I am sure people >> at >> the church will understand why you are not there. >> >> Marsha >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:00 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >> This is the only time the class is offered. >> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do >>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to do >>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least every >>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, >>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority >>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable schedules >>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>> >>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>> Jewel >>> >>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>> didn't show up! >>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling our >>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>> needed to meet with. >>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >>>> me out of church. >>>> This has been a bad day! >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co >> m >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >> ccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 6732 (20111221) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 6732 (20111221) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 Twitter http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Dec 21 21:01:52 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 16:01:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: References: <841EAC9043FF4E2C95FF38E73CC7E0DC@Cptr233> Message-ID: we have priority registeration at my community college. But not all schools do, particularly small schools. -----Original Message----- From: Lea williams Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:43 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! you can choose to not take classes at those hours, just get other ones at a different time if you can. did you have this issues last time too? I think i remember you saying that. and We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. this is not true. I go to one, and we have it. On 12/21/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > It's just going to be hard on them, because I'm the only pianist they > have. > This Biology class is only offered at this time, because we have an > instructor that drives from headquarters, (Helena, Arkansas.) > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/21/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> If you have been registered at this community college, you should be able >> to >> register for class before other students. All colleges have it that way, >> unlike if you were a new student then you have to register later. But I >> am >> assuming you have been going to this community college for a while. >> >> So you won't be able to be at your church, but having the sermon online >> is >> very good too. God does not care where you worship. And I am sure people >> at >> the church will understand why you are not there. >> >> Marsha >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:00 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >> This is the only time the class is offered. >> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do >>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to do >>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least every >>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, >>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority >>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable schedules >>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>> >>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>> Jewel >>> >>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>> didn't show up! >>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling our >>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>> needed to meet with. >>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >>>> me out of church. >>>> This has been a bad day! >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co >> m >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >> ccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 6732 (20111221) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 6732 (20111221) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 Twitter http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From clb5590 at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 22:07:07 2011 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 17:07:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It depends on the type of program you are applying to as to whether the GRE is typically required or indicative of its rigor or legitimacy. So, I think you should ask some professors in your department. One other idea is to consult the website of whatever professional society offers certifications in your discipline. For example, I went to the American Psychological Association’s website to find a list of clinical psychology programs in the U.S. that they have accredited. So this means that despite the individual requirements of these schools, they maintain a national standard. Schools that are accredited in a certain discipline can sometimes mean that they are more difficult to get into, and non-accredited schools do not indicate poor programs, but the accreditation made me feel better about where I applied. Not all fields have national accreditations though. I am going to grad school in psychology and only 1 of the schools I applied to did not require the GRE, and it is a professional school which is different in more ways than one. However, I have some friends who are in the fields of social work and blindness and other disability rehab, and very good programs in those fields do not require the GRE. I do believe that if a school requires it, you should not request to submit anything in its place. I do not know of anything you could do that equals the difficulty and pressure that every student required to take the GRE goes through. Although you cannot currently register online, I am very impressed with the accessibility of the voiced GRE. You get supplements in braille, but in order to get instant scores, you must submit your answers on a voiced GRE. ETS will send you an example test and tutorials on the keystrokes associated with the software. I would recommend purchasing other practice materials though. Since the test just changed, there are probably not many used books available, but used is always cheaper, and Kapplan and The Princeton Review have good practice materials. I obtained a copy of the top 200 words found on the test and learned them. I also learned 25 word families which are groups of synonyms with a theme such as sadness or courage. That allowed me to learn simpler definitions of about 500 words. I got a reader to tutor me in math, so I am not sure how accessible the math practice materials are. I took several practice English tests, and I would recommend practicing a few essays. I made A's on papers all through college so I felt that I did not need to prepare much for the essay portion, however, it is the section in which I received the lowest score, so I should have practiced a few essays and read example prompts. I would recommend dedicating a lot of time to studying. Each test is $160, and if you take the test multiple times, all institutions see all scores, so if you bomb it just to get a feel for the test, that will not look good to schools. The test was difficult for me, but I have always been a bad test taker under pressure. It is very possible to prepare for it and to do well though. Accessibility does not account for any of the reason that I did not get the score I preferred. I hope this helps. Cindy On 12/21/11, Spangler, Robert wrote: > Hello all, > > I am thinking of applying for graduate school when I return from my trip in > Spain next year. Many graduate programs do not require GRE scores but it > seems as though the better ones do. First, what are your opinions; is a > program generally of higher quality if it requires GRE scores? I have > actually seen several programs that look pretty good that do not require GRE > scores. I have also noticed that some of the best schools in the country, > such as OSU and UW require GRE scores. > > Next, what are your experiences as blind people taking the GRE? IT appears > as though, if one requires special accommodations, they are unable to > register for the test online. Also, the GRE is computer-based; would we > take that version or a modified version of the paper copy? In the bulletin, > it recommends first that I ask the prospective institution if I can submit > something else in place of GRE scores; what are opinions on this? > > Thanks, > Robby > -- > Robert Spangler > The University of Toledo > Senior, Urban Studies and Spanish > robert.spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com 828.989.5383 From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 22:18:37 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:18:37 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Robby, What kind of graduate program are you applying for? I'm sure it depends on the type of program whether or not you should have GRE scores. This might be a good question to ask your major advisor, if you have one. However, taking the GRE's certainly gives you a lot more flexibility about where you can apply, so I'd recommend it. I would not advise asking if you can submit something else instead of the GRE. Many graduate programs, especially Ph.D. programs, are very competitive. While they might allow you to submit something else, not having GRE scores like all the other applicants is unlikely to help you get a competitive edge. I think it's important to demonstrate to graduate departments that you are capable of taking the required standardized tests and, hopefully, getting a strong and competitive score. Fortunately there are several accommodations available to blind test-takers. The Educational Testing Service (ETS) allows blind test-takers to take the paper version of the GRE in Braille or large print. Alternatively, you can take the computer version of the GRE either with a reader/scribe or using the new self-voicing test. I have not used it myself (I took the GRE in Braille in 2007, before it existed) but I believe that it allows the blind test-taker to take the test on the computer using keystrokes similar to JAWS commands. I would be interested to hear from others here about the quality of the self-voicing option. You will need to apply for accommodations at least two months before you plan to take the test. I would suggest setting up a phone consultation with Ruth Loew or Nora Hallenbeck at ETS to get an overview of the process and what paperwork needs to be submitted. I have had very good interactions with both Ruth and Nora and Ruth has been on this list and speaks regularly at NABS meetings. From what I remember, there was one form I filled out where I listed the accommodations I needed, and it was signed by the DSS official at my university. ETS also has GRE prep materials in Braille, and possibly other formats. Best of luck, Arielle On 12/21/11, Spangler, Robert wrote: > Hello all, > > I am thinking of applying for graduate school when I return from my trip in > Spain next year. Many graduate programs do not require GRE scores but it > seems as though the better ones do. First, what are your opinions; is a > program generally of higher quality if it requires GRE scores? I have > actually seen several programs that look pretty good that do not require GRE > scores. I have also noticed that some of the best schools in the country, > such as OSU and UW require GRE scores. > > Next, what are your experiences as blind people taking the GRE? IT appears > as though, if one requires special accommodations, they are unable to > register for the test online. Also, the GRE is computer-based; would we > take that version or a modified version of the paper copy? In the bulletin, > it recommends first that I ask the prospective institution if I can submit > something else in place of GRE scores; what are opinions on this? > > Thanks, > Robby > -- > Robert Spangler > The University of Toledo > Senior, Urban Studies and Spanish > robert.spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Dec 21 22:20:41 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 16:20:41 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: References: <841EAC9043FF4E2C95FF38E73CC7E0DC@Cptr233> Message-ID: We don't ahve it at Phillips. My problem, last time was the late hours. They can't change it, because this is the only time the class if offered, and I need this to graduate in time. Blessings, Joshua On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > we have priority registeration at my community college. But not all schools > do, particularly small schools. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lea williams > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:43 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > you can choose to not take classes at those hours, just get other ones > at a different time if you can. did you have this issues last time > too? I think i remember you saying that. > and > We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. > this is not true. I go to one, and we have it. > > > On 12/21/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> It's just going to be hard on them, because I'm the only pianist they >> have. >> This Biology class is only offered at this time, because we have an >> instructor that drives from headquarters, (Helena, Arkansas.) >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/21/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >>> If you have been registered at this community college, you should be able >>> to >>> register for class before other students. All colleges have it that way, >>> unlike if you were a new student then you have to register later. But I >>> am >>> assuming you have been going to this community college for a while. >>> >>> So you won't be able to be at your church, but having the sermon online >>> is >>> very good too. God does not care where you worship. And I am sure people >>> at >>> the church will understand why you are not there. >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:00 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>> >>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do >>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to do >>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least every >>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, >>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority >>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable schedules >>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>> >>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>> Jewel >>>> >>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>>> didn't show up! >>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling our >>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >>>>> me out of church. >>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co >>> m >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >>> ccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 6732 (20111221) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 6732 (20111221) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > Twitter > http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From ignasicambra at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 22:26:15 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 23:26:15 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you being blind, so just go to class! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. > We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. > This is the only time the class is offered. > Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do >> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to do >> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least every >> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, >> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority >> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable schedules >> that fit yhour needs that way. >> >> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >> Jewel >> >> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>> didn't show up! >>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >>> campus, 30 miles away. >>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling our >>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>> needed to meet with. >>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >>> me out of church. >>> This has been a bad day! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From Robert.Spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu Wed Dec 21 22:42:46 2011 From: Robert.Spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu (Spangler, Robert) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 22:42:46 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, I would be applying for a Spanish graduate program. It appears as though the GRE is just one extra component upon which the universities can evaluate one's ability to handle the rigors of graduate work. As far as Spanish programs go, I have looked at several universities and one's here in Ohio (University of Toledo and Wright State, for instance) do not require the GRE whereas Ohio State University, University of Chicago, and the University of Wisconsin-Madison do. Oh and the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee does not and that university has sent students to PH.D. programs at larger institutions. So the trend appears to show that the major, larger universities require it for their spanish programs and the smaller ones do not. This is probably due to the better universities requirement to filter out due to great numbers of applicants. Do PH.D. programs require GRE scores? It is a possibility that I will want to get a PH.D. in the future so I should definitely make decisions now that will make that process more flexible when I get there. Thanks, Robby -- Robert Spangler The University of Toledo Senior, Urban Studies and Spanish robert.spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:19 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE Hi Robby, What kind of graduate program are you applying for? I'm sure it depends on the type of program whether or not you should have GRE scores. This might be a good question to ask your major advisor, if you have one. However, taking the GRE's certainly gives you a lot more flexibility about where you can apply, so I'd recommend it. I would not advise asking if you can submit something else instead of the GRE. Many graduate programs, especially Ph.D. programs, are very competitive. While they might allow you to submit something else, not having GRE scores like all the other applicants is unlikely to help you get a competitive edge. I think it's important to demonstrate to graduate departments that you are capable of taking the required standardized tests and, hopefully, getting a strong and competitive score. Fortunately there are several accommodations available to blind test-takers. The Educational Testing Service (ETS) allows blind test-takers to take the paper version of the GRE in Braille or large print. Alternatively, you can take the computer version of the GRE either with a reader/scribe or using the new self-voicing test. I have not used it myself (I took the GRE in Braille in 2007, before it existed) but I believe that it allows the blind test-taker to take the test on the computer using keystrokes similar to JAWS commands. I would be interested to hear from others here about the quality of the self-voicing option. You will need to apply for accommodations at least two months before you plan to take the test. I would suggest setting up a phone consultation with Ruth Loew or Nora Hallenbeck at ETS to get an overview of the process and what paperwork needs to be submitted. I have had very good interactions with both Ruth and Nora and Ruth has been on this list and speaks regularly at NABS meetings. From what I remember, there was one form I filled out where I listed the accommodations I needed, and it was signed by the DSS official at my university. ETS also has GRE prep materials in Braille, and possibly other formats. Best of luck, Arielle On 12/21/11, Spangler, Robert wrote: > Hello all, > > I am thinking of applying for graduate school when I return from my > trip in Spain next year. Many graduate programs do not require GRE > scores but it seems as though the better ones do. First, what are > your opinions; is a program generally of higher quality if it requires > GRE scores? I have actually seen several programs that look pretty > good that do not require GRE scores. I have also noticed that some of > the best schools in the country, such as OSU and UW require GRE scores. > > Next, what are your experiences as blind people taking the GRE? IT > appears as though, if one requires special accommodations, they are > unable to register for the test online. Also, the GRE is > computer-based; would we take that version or a modified version of > the paper copy? In the bulletin, it recommends first that I ask the > prospective institution if I can submit something else in place of GRE scores; what are opinions on this? > > Thanks, > Robby > -- > Robert Spangler > The University of Toledo > Senior, Urban Studies and Spanish > robert.spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. > com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robert.spangler%40rockets.utoledo.edu From Robert.Spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu Wed Dec 21 22:44:05 2011 From: Robert.Spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu (Spangler, Robert) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 22:44:05 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh, I forgot this in the previous email, but could you please provide me with the contact information for the people you mentioned at ITS? Thanks, Robby -- Robert Spangler The University of Toledo Senior, Urban Studies and Spanish robert.spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:19 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE Hi Robby, What kind of graduate program are you applying for? I'm sure it depends on the type of program whether or not you should have GRE scores. This might be a good question to ask your major advisor, if you have one. However, taking the GRE's certainly gives you a lot more flexibility about where you can apply, so I'd recommend it. I would not advise asking if you can submit something else instead of the GRE. Many graduate programs, especially Ph.D. programs, are very competitive. While they might allow you to submit something else, not having GRE scores like all the other applicants is unlikely to help you get a competitive edge. I think it's important to demonstrate to graduate departments that you are capable of taking the required standardized tests and, hopefully, getting a strong and competitive score. Fortunately there are several accommodations available to blind test-takers. The Educational Testing Service (ETS) allows blind test-takers to take the paper version of the GRE in Braille or large print. Alternatively, you can take the computer version of the GRE either with a reader/scribe or using the new self-voicing test. I have not used it myself (I took the GRE in Braille in 2007, before it existed) but I believe that it allows the blind test-taker to take the test on the computer using keystrokes similar to JAWS commands. I would be interested to hear from others here about the quality of the self-voicing option. You will need to apply for accommodations at least two months before you plan to take the test. I would suggest setting up a phone consultation with Ruth Loew or Nora Hallenbeck at ETS to get an overview of the process and what paperwork needs to be submitted. I have had very good interactions with both Ruth and Nora and Ruth has been on this list and speaks regularly at NABS meetings. From what I remember, there was one form I filled out where I listed the accommodations I needed, and it was signed by the DSS official at my university. ETS also has GRE prep materials in Braille, and possibly other formats. Best of luck, Arielle On 12/21/11, Spangler, Robert wrote: > Hello all, > > I am thinking of applying for graduate school when I return from my > trip in Spain next year. Many graduate programs do not require GRE > scores but it seems as though the better ones do. First, what are > your opinions; is a program generally of higher quality if it requires > GRE scores? I have actually seen several programs that look pretty > good that do not require GRE scores. I have also noticed that some of > the best schools in the country, such as OSU and UW require GRE scores. > > Next, what are your experiences as blind people taking the GRE? IT > appears as though, if one requires special accommodations, they are > unable to register for the test online. Also, the GRE is > computer-based; would we take that version or a modified version of > the paper copy? In the bulletin, it recommends first that I ask the > prospective institution if I can submit something else in place of GRE scores; what are opinions on this? > > Thanks, > Robby > -- > Robert Spangler > The University of Toledo > Senior, Urban Studies and Spanish > robert.spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. > com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robert.spangler%40rockets.utoledo.edu From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 22:54:55 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:54:55 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Robby, I only know about Ph.D. programs in psychology and they all require GRE's. I'd think Ph.D. programs in Spanish probably do too, but I don't know that for sure. You can reach Ruth Loew at rloew at ets.org and Nora Hallenbeck at nhallenbeck at ets.org Best, Arielle On 12/21/11, Spangler, Robert wrote: > Oh, I forgot this in the previous email, but could you please provide me > with the contact information for the people you mentioned at ITS? > > Thanks, > Robby > -- > Robert Spangler > The University of Toledo > Senior, Urban Studies and Spanish > robert.spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Arielle Silverman > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:19 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE > > Hi Robby, > What kind of graduate program are you applying for? I'm sure it depends on > the type of program whether or not you should have GRE scores. This might be > a good question to ask your major advisor, if you have one. However, taking > the GRE's certainly gives you a lot more flexibility about where you can > apply, so I'd recommend it. > I would not advise asking if you can submit something else instead of the > GRE. Many graduate programs, especially Ph.D. programs, are very > competitive. While they might allow you to submit something else, not having > GRE scores like all the other applicants is unlikely to help you get a > competitive edge. I think it's important to demonstrate to graduate > departments that you are capable of taking the required standardized tests > and, hopefully, getting a strong and competitive score. > Fortunately there are several accommodations available to blind test-takers. > The Educational Testing Service (ETS) allows blind test-takers to take the > paper version of the GRE in Braille or large print. Alternatively, you can > take the computer version of the GRE either with a reader/scribe or using > the new self-voicing test. I have not used it myself (I took the GRE in > Braille in 2007, before it > existed) but I believe that it allows the blind test-taker to take the test > on the computer using keystrokes similar to JAWS commands. I would be > interested to hear from others here about the quality of the self-voicing > option. > You will need to apply for accommodations at least two months before you > plan to take the test. I would suggest setting up a phone consultation with > Ruth Loew or Nora Hallenbeck at ETS to get an overview of the process and > what paperwork needs to be submitted. I have had very good interactions with > both Ruth and Nora and Ruth has been on this list and speaks regularly at > NABS meetings. From what I remember, there was one form I filled out where I > listed the accommodations I needed, and it was signed by the DSS official at > my university. > ETS also has GRE prep materials in Braille, and possibly other formats. > Best of luck, > Arielle > > On 12/21/11, Spangler, Robert wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> I am thinking of applying for graduate school when I return from my >> trip in Spain next year. Many graduate programs do not require GRE >> scores but it seems as though the better ones do. First, what are >> your opinions; is a program generally of higher quality if it requires >> GRE scores? I have actually seen several programs that look pretty >> good that do not require GRE scores. I have also noticed that some of >> the best schools in the country, such as OSU and UW require GRE scores. >> >> Next, what are your experiences as blind people taking the GRE? IT >> appears as though, if one requires special accommodations, they are >> unable to register for the test online. Also, the GRE is >> computer-based; would we take that version or a modified version of >> the paper copy? In the bulletin, it recommends first that I ask the >> prospective institution if I can submit something else in place of GRE >> scores; what are opinions on this? >> >> Thanks, >> Robby >> -- >> Robert Spangler >> The University of Toledo >> Senior, Urban Studies and Spanish >> robert.spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. >> com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robert.spangler%40rockets.utoledo.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Dec 21 22:55:48 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 16:55:48 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid> References: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online classes are inaccessible. Has anyone had experiences with online classes? Thanks, Joshua On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a > time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you > being blind, so just go to class! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >> This is the only time the class is offered. >> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do >>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to do >>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least every >>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, >>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority >>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable schedules >>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>> >>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>> Jewel >>> >>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>> didn't show up! >>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling our >>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>> needed to meet with. >>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >>>> me out of church. >>>> This has been a bad day! >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 00:08:56 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 16:08:56 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: <841EAC9043FF4E2C95FF38E73CC7E0DC@Cptr233> References: <841EAC9043FF4E2C95FF38E73CC7E0DC@Cptr233> Message-ID: My college does the same thing: I can register about a week or 2 earlier than the other students. Even though it is a community college. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Drenth Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:00 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! If you have been registered at this community college, you should be able to register for class before other students. All colleges have it that way, unlike if you were a new student then you have to register later. But I am assuming you have been going to this community college for a while. So you won't be able to be at your church, but having the sermon online is very good too. God does not care where you worship. And I am sure people at the church will understand why you are not there. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:00 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. This is the only time the class is offered. Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. Blessings, Joshua On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: > Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do > to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to do > your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have > apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next > semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I > have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least every > other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). > This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This > coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, > Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority > registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable schedules > that fit yhour needs that way. > > Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, > Jewel > > On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >> didn't show up! >> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >> campus, 30 miles away. >> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling our >> cell phone, she called our home phone. >> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >> needed to meet with. >> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >> me out of church. >> This has been a bad day! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co m >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6732 (20111221) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6732 (20111221) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From dandrews at visi.com Thu Dec 22 01:12:58 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:12:58 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Chat Message-ID: >From: "Robert Kelly" >To: "David Andrews" >Subject: Fw: Chat >Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 16:46:00 -0600 > > > >Join us Thursday night December 22, 2011 at 7:00 p.m.central time >for a chat with Mr. Allen Harris a trailblazer for the National >Federation of the Blind. > >It is simple to call in and join in the discussion. 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Among Code Factory's >customers are well known organizations for the >blind such as ONCE in Spain, and carriers such >as AT&T, Bouygues Telecom, SFR, TIM and Vodafone. >For any query regarding our products, you can >submit support ticket via Code Factory help desk at: >http://www.codefactory.cat/helpdesk/index.php?a=add > >You can now follow Code Factory at: >http://twitter.com/codefactory > >For more information, feel free to contact Code Factory S.L.: > >Code Factory, S.L., C/ Major 19, 2-3, 08221 Terrassa (Barcelona) >HelpDesk, >www.codefactory.es >Code Factory, S.L. - 2011 > >You can send an email to >marketing at codefactory.es >for any request related to the Code Factory's news. > >---------- > > >This message was sent to dandrews at visi.com from: > >Code Factory, S.L. | Major, 19, 2-3 | Terrassa, Barcelona 08221, Spain From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Dec 22 01:49:51 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 20:49:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: References: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <9DABE82C563C4A3EAD0D50082C618E0F@OwnerPC> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online classes are inaccessible. Has anyone had experiences with online classes? Thanks, Joshua On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a > time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you > being blind, so just go to class! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >> This is the only time the class is offered. >> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do >>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to do >>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least every >>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, >>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority >>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable schedules >>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>> >>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>> Jewel >>> >>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>> didn't show up! >>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling our >>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>> needed to meet with. >>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >>>> me out of church. >>>> This has been a bad day! >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Dec 22 02:34:42 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 20:34:42 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: <9DABE82C563C4A3EAD0D50082C618E0F@OwnerPC> References: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid> <9DABE82C563C4A3EAD0D50082C618E0F@OwnerPC> Message-ID: They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on this online class would be appreciated. Thanks, Joshua On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. > Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. > These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. > The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. > I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online > classes are inaccessible. > Has anyone had experiences with online classes? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >> being blind, so just go to class! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do >>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to do >>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least every >>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, >>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority >>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable schedules >>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>> >>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>> Jewel >>>> >>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>>> didn't show up! >>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling our >>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >>>>> me out of church. >>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dandrews at visi.com Thu Dec 22 03:16:10 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 21:16:10 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: BISM Job Postings Message-ID: > >Blind Industries and Services of Maryland (BISM) is in the process >of growing its Adult CORE Rehabilitation Program that is based out >of Baltimore, Maryland. Our CORE program follows a structured >discovery curriculum and is a residential program. BISM is looking >for dynamic teachers who believe strongly in the capabilities of >people who are blind and have a strong teaching >background. Currently we are looking to fill three positions: >Travel Instructor, Woodshop Instructor and Instructor. Attached you >will find the job postings for all three jobs. > >BISM offers all of it associates a competitive salary in a >competitive environment, a full benefits package, 403b Savings Plan >with a yearly company match, and profit sharing. Relocation >packages are available for all three positions. > >If you are interested in applying for any of the positions please >send me your cover letter and resume to >cdavis at bism.org. If you should have any >questions about BISM our CORE departments growth or the three jobs >we are looking to fill please do not hesitate to call me at >410-737-2638 or 888-322-4567. > >Please feel free to share this email with anyone you know that would >be a good addition to the BISM Team. > >Sincerely, > >Christina > >Christina T. Davis >Senior Director >Blind Industries & Services of Maryland >3345 Washington Boulevard >Baltimore, MD 21227 >410-737-2638 or 888-322-4567 >cdavis at bism.org >www.bism.org > >"BISM positively changes people's attitudes about blindness" > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Travel Instructor Job Posting - CORE.doc Type: application/msword Size: 32256 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Woodshop Instructor Job Posting.doc Type: application/msword Size: 35840 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Instructor Job Posting - CORE.doc Type: application/msword Size: 31744 bytes Desc: not available URL: From isaiah5719 at mchsi.com Thu Dec 22 13:15:34 2011 From: isaiah5719 at mchsi.com (Loren Wakefield) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 07:15:34 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <857F9AAADE2E46AD8129EC29D2B7BDF6@LorenPC> I would take them. That way, they are done and out of the way. You have them if you need them as well. -----Original Message----- From: Spangler, Robert Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 4:42 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE Hello, I would be applying for a Spanish graduate program. It appears as though the GRE is just one extra component upon which the universities can evaluate one's ability to handle the rigors of graduate work. As far as Spanish programs go, I have looked at several universities and one's here in Ohio (University of Toledo and Wright State, for instance) do not require the GRE whereas Ohio State University, University of Chicago, and the University of Wisconsin-Madison do. Oh and the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee does not and that university has sent students to PH.D. programs at larger institutions. So the trend appears to show that the major, larger universities require it for their spanish programs and the smaller ones do not. This is probably due to the better universities requirement to filter out due to great numbers of applicants. Do PH.D. programs require GRE scores? It is a possibility that I will want to get a PH.D. in the future so I should definitely make decisions now that will make that process more flexible when I get there. Thanks, Robby -- Robert Spangler The University of Toledo Senior, Urban Studies and Spanish robert.spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:19 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE Hi Robby, What kind of graduate program are you applying for? I'm sure it depends on the type of program whether or not you should have GRE scores. This might be a good question to ask your major advisor, if you have one. However, taking the GRE's certainly gives you a lot more flexibility about where you can apply, so I'd recommend it. I would not advise asking if you can submit something else instead of the GRE. Many graduate programs, especially Ph.D. programs, are very competitive. While they might allow you to submit something else, not having GRE scores like all the other applicants is unlikely to help you get a competitive edge. I think it's important to demonstrate to graduate departments that you are capable of taking the required standardized tests and, hopefully, getting a strong and competitive score. Fortunately there are several accommodations available to blind test-takers. The Educational Testing Service (ETS) allows blind test-takers to take the paper version of the GRE in Braille or large print. Alternatively, you can take the computer version of the GRE either with a reader/scribe or using the new self-voicing test. I have not used it myself (I took the GRE in Braille in 2007, before it existed) but I believe that it allows the blind test-taker to take the test on the computer using keystrokes similar to JAWS commands. I would be interested to hear from others here about the quality of the self-voicing option. You will need to apply for accommodations at least two months before you plan to take the test. I would suggest setting up a phone consultation with Ruth Loew or Nora Hallenbeck at ETS to get an overview of the process and what paperwork needs to be submitted. I have had very good interactions with both Ruth and Nora and Ruth has been on this list and speaks regularly at NABS meetings. From what I remember, there was one form I filled out where I listed the accommodations I needed, and it was signed by the DSS official at my university. ETS also has GRE prep materials in Braille, and possibly other formats. Best of luck, Arielle On 12/21/11, Spangler, Robert wrote: > Hello all, > > I am thinking of applying for graduate school when I return from my > trip in Spain next year. Many graduate programs do not require GRE > scores but it seems as though the better ones do. First, what are > your opinions; is a program generally of higher quality if it requires > GRE scores? I have actually seen several programs that look pretty > good that do not require GRE scores. I have also noticed that some of > the best schools in the country, such as OSU and UW require GRE scores. > > Next, what are your experiences as blind people taking the GRE? IT > appears as though, if one requires special accommodations, they are > unable to register for the test online. Also, the GRE is > computer-based; would we take that version or a modified version of > the paper copy? In the bulletin, it recommends first that I ask the > prospective institution if I can submit something else in place of GRE > scores; what are opinions on this? > > Thanks, > Robby > -- > Robert Spangler > The University of Toledo > Senior, Urban Studies and Spanish > robert.spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. > com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robert.spangler%40rockets.utoledo.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/isaiah5719%40mchsi.com From amylsabo at comcast.net Thu Dec 22 13:18:32 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 06:18:32 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: BISM Job Postings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00f301ccc0ac$348dd500$9da97f00$@comcast.net> HELLO DAVE, THANKS FOR SENDING THIS INFORMATION TO ME ON THE LIST. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT BISM WAS HIRING FOR FULL TIME POSITIONS AT THEIR COMPANY. I WORKED for bism for their summer program in the summer of 2006 and, it was an interesting experience for me. I plan to apply for the instructor position but, not for the wood shop or for the travel position either. But, thanks anyway for sending this information to me. Take care and, I will talk to you soon! Sincerely, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 8:16 PM To: blindtlk at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: BISM Job Postings > >Blind Industries and Services of Maryland (BISM) is in the process >of growing its Adult CORE Rehabilitation Program that is based out >of Baltimore, Maryland. Our CORE program follows a structured >discovery curriculum and is a residential program. BISM is looking >for dynamic teachers who believe strongly in the capabilities of >people who are blind and have a strong teaching >background. Currently we are looking to fill three positions: >Travel Instructor, Woodshop Instructor and Instructor. Attached you >will find the job postings for all three jobs. > >BISM offers all of it associates a competitive salary in a >competitive environment, a full benefits package, 403b Savings Plan >with a yearly company match, and profit sharing. Relocation >packages are available for all three positions. > >If you are interested in applying for any of the positions please >send me your cover letter and resume to >cdavis at bism.org. If you should have any >questions about BISM our CORE departments growth or the three jobs >we are looking to fill please do not hesitate to call me at >410-737-2638 or 888-322-4567. > >Please feel free to share this email with anyone you know that would >be a good addition to the BISM Team. > >Sincerely, > >Christina > >Christina T. Davis >Senior Director >Blind Industries & Services of Maryland >3345 Washington Boulevard >Baltimore, MD 21227 >410-737-2638 or 888-322-4567 >cdavis at bism.org >www.bism.org > >"BISM positively changes people's attitudes about blindness" > > From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 13:57:28 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:57:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: References: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <36BAFFE2D3C0496982AD3DB29A20544E@Cptr233> Question: Are you letting your rehab counselor and school advisor pick and schedule your classes? And why? Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:56 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online classes are inaccessible. Has anyone had experiences with online classes? Thanks, Joshua On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a > time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you > being blind, so just go to class! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >> This is the only time the class is offered. >> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do >>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to do >>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least every >>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, >>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority >>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable schedules >>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>> >>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>> Jewel >>> >>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>> didn't show up! >>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling our >>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>> needed to meet with. >>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >>>> me out of church. >>>> This has been a bad day! >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co m >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6732 (20111221) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6733 (20111222) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6733 (20111222) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Dec 22 16:02:30 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 10:02:30 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: <36BAFFE2D3C0496982AD3DB29A20544E@Cptr233> References: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid> <36BAFFE2D3C0496982AD3DB29A20544E@Cptr233> Message-ID: No. I know what I need to graduate, so I'm taking those classes this semester, so I can graduate in 2012. Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: > Question: Are you letting your rehab counselor and school advisor pick and > schedule your classes? And why? > > Marsha > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:56 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. > These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. > The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. > I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online > classes are inaccessible. > Has anyone had experiences with online classes? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >> being blind, so just go to class! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do >>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to do >>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least every >>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, >>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority >>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable schedules >>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>> >>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>> Jewel >>>> >>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>>> didn't show up! >>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling our >>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >>>>> me out of church. >>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co > m >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co > m > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6732 (20111221) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6733 (20111222) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 6733 (20111222) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From gloria.graves at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 16:36:10 2011 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 10:36:10 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! References: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid><36BAFFE2D3C0496982AD3DB29A20544E@Cptr233> Message-ID: <136BAEBA5B08443B88BB36CADAA08152@Gloria> Hi, That sucks that you had issues with classes. I have taken a couple of online classes and found them to be a bit difficult especially wheh it came to using programs to post assignments and using it with JAWs or some type of acessible technology ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > No. > I know what I need to graduate, so I'm taking those classes this > semester, so I can graduate in 2012. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Marsha Drenth wrote: >> Question: Are you letting your rehab counselor and school advisor pick >> and >> schedule your classes? And why? >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:56 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. >> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >> classes are inaccessible. >> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >>> being blind, so just go to class! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> >>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do >>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to do >>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least every >>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, >>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority >>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable schedules >>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>> >>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>> Jewel >>>>> >>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling our >>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co >> m >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >> ccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >> ccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 6732 (20111221) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 6733 (20111222) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature >> database 6733 (20111222) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Dec 22 16:43:11 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:43:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: References: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid><9DABE82C563C4A3EAD0D50082C618E0F@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Joshua, blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll be okay. Press H for getting to major headings. If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor to send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain text then. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on this online class would be appreciated. Thanks, Joshua On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. > Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. > These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. > The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. > I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online > classes are inaccessible. > Has anyone had experiences with online classes? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >> being blind, so just go to class! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do >>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to do >>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least every >>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, >>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority >>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable schedules >>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>> >>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>> Jewel >>>> >>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>>> didn't show up! >>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling our >>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >>>>> me out of church. >>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Dec 22 16:49:08 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 10:49:08 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: References: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid> <9DABE82C563C4A3EAD0D50082C618E0F@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order to access Blackboard, from home. Our school uses it, and I like it. Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Joshua, > blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll be okay. > Press H for getting to major headings. > If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor to > send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain text > then. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on > this online class would be appreciated. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. >> Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. >> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >> classes are inaccessible. >> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >>> being blind, so just go to class! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>> wrote: >>> >>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do >>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to do >>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least every >>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, >>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority >>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable schedules >>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>> >>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>> Jewel >>>>> >>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling our >>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From gloria.graves at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 16:55:25 2011 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 10:55:25 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! References: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid><9DABE82C563C4A3EAD0D50082C618E0F@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <122F36E659A144988A6A302B77A93010@Gloria> Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it and I use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could help that would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the most part, but any additions of course can be helpful. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order to > access Blackboard, from home. > Our school uses it, and I like it. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Joshua, >> blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll be >> okay. >> Press H for getting to major headings. >> If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor to >> send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain text >> then. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on >> this online class would be appreciated. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. >>> Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>> >>> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. >>> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>> classes are inaccessible. >>> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >>>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >>>> being blind, so just go to class! >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do >>>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to >>>>>> do >>>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least >>>>>> every >>>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, >>>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority >>>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable >>>>>> schedules >>>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>> Jewel >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >>>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling >>>>>>> our >>>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >>>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Dec 22 17:01:54 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:01:54 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: <122F36E659A144988A6A302B77A93010@Gloria> References: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid> <9DABE82C563C4A3EAD0D50082C618E0F@OwnerPC> <122F36E659A144988A6A302B77A93010@Gloria> Message-ID: Internet Explorer. Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Gloria G wrote: > Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it and I > use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could help that > would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the most > part, but any additions of course can be helpful. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > >> I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order to >> access Blackboard, from home. >> Our school uses it, and I like it. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Joshua, >>> blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll be >>> okay. >>> Press H for getting to major headings. >>> If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor to >>> send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain text >>> then. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>> >>> They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on >>> this online class would be appreciated. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. >>>> Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>> >>>> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. >>>> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>>> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>>> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>>> classes are inaccessible. >>>> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >>>>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >>>>> being blind, so just go to class! >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>>>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. >>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do >>>>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>>>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least >>>>>>> every >>>>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>>>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, >>>>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority >>>>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable >>>>>>> schedules >>>>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>>> Jewel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >>>>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling >>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >>>>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From gloria.graves at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 17:10:13 2011 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:10:13 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! References: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid><9DABE82C563C4A3EAD0D50082C618E0F@OwnerPC><122F36E659A144988A6A302B77A93010@Gloria> Message-ID: HAHAHAHHAH! My goodness IE internet explore, I should have guessed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > Internet Explorer. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Gloria G wrote: >> Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it and I >> use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could help >> that >> would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the most >> part, but any additions of course can be helpful. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> >>> I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order to >>> access Blackboard, from home. >>> Our school uses it, and I like it. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> Joshua, >>>> blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll be >>>> okay. >>>> Press H for getting to major headings. >>>> If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor >>>> to >>>> send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain text >>>> then. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>> >>>> They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on >>>> this online class would be appreciated. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. >>>>> Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>> >>>>> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. >>>>> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>>>> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>>>> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>>>> classes are inaccessible. >>>>> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>>>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >>>>>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >>>>>> being blind, so just go to class! >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>>>>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, >>>>>>> now. >>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd >>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to >>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>>>>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least >>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>>>>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>>>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, >>>>>>>> Wednedsday, >>>>>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for >>>>>>>> priority >>>>>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable >>>>>>>> schedules >>>>>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>>>> Jewel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>>>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>>>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling >>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>>>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will >>>>>>>>> keep >>>>>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Dec 22 17:13:43 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:13:43 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: References: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid> <9DABE82C563C4A3EAD0D50082C618E0F@OwnerPC> <122F36E659A144988A6A302B77A93010@Gloria> Message-ID: I would have given you a long, "Duh," but I'm nicer than that! I have a question about Blackboard. Why does it always say, "Page has no links," when I pull it up? I could understand that, with this older version of Internet Explorer, but I also have the latest version of Firefox, and it won't work with that. Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Gloria G wrote: > HAHAHAHHAH! My goodness IE internet explore, I should have guessed > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > >> Internet Explorer. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/22/11, Gloria G wrote: >>> Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it and I >>> use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could help >>> that >>> would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the most >>> part, but any additions of course can be helpful. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>> >>> >>>> I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order to >>>> access Blackboard, from home. >>>> Our school uses it, and I like it. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>> Joshua, >>>>> blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll be >>>>> okay. >>>>> Press H for getting to major headings. >>>>> If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor >>>>> to >>>>> send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain text >>>>> then. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>> >>>>> They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on >>>>> this online class would be appreciated. >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. >>>>>> Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>> >>>>>> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. >>>>>> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>>>>> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>>>>> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>>>>> classes are inaccessible. >>>>>> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>>>>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >>>>>>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >>>>>>> being blind, so just go to class! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>>>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>>>>>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>>>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, >>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd >>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to >>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>>>>>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least >>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>>>>>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>>>>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, >>>>>>>>> Wednedsday, >>>>>>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for >>>>>>>>> priority >>>>>>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable >>>>>>>>> schedules >>>>>>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>>>>> Jewel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>>>>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>>>>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling >>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>>>>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will >>>>>>>>>> keep >>>>>>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 17:16:18 2011 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:16:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: References: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid> <9DABE82C563C4A3EAD0D50082C618E0F@OwnerPC> <122F36E659A144988A6A302B77A93010@Gloria> Message-ID: <183EAAC4-1603-4B19-AD24-D7754C7D340F@gmail.com> I am not sure why you can't get an updated IE, and why you need Windows 7; doesn't it work with Vista or XP? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > Internet Explorer. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Gloria G wrote: >> Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it and I >> use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could help that >> would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the most >> part, but any additions of course can be helpful. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> >>> I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order to >>> access Blackboard, from home. >>> Our school uses it, and I like it. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> Joshua, >>>> blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll be >>>> okay. >>>> Press H for getting to major headings. >>>> If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor to >>>> send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain text >>>> then. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>> >>>> They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on >>>> this online class would be appreciated. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. >>>>> Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>> >>>>> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. >>>>> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>>>> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>>>> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>>>> classes are inaccessible. >>>>> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>>>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >>>>>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >>>>>> being blind, so just go to class! >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>>>>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. >>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do >>>>>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to >>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>>>>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least >>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>>>>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>>>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, >>>>>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority >>>>>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable >>>>>>>> schedules >>>>>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>>>> Jewel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>>>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >>>>>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>>>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling >>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>>>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >>>>>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Dec 22 17:27:20 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:27:20 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: <183EAAC4-1603-4B19-AD24-D7754C7D340F@gmail.com> References: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid> <9DABE82C563C4A3EAD0D50082C618E0F@OwnerPC> <122F36E659A144988A6A302B77A93010@Gloria> <183EAAC4-1603-4B19-AD24-D7754C7D340F@gmail.com> Message-ID: I need Windows 7, for the new IE to install. I have Vista, and it's lame. Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Jewel wrote: > I am not sure why you can't get an updated IE, and why you need Windows 7; > doesn't it work with Vista or XP? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> Internet Explorer. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/22/11, Gloria G wrote: >>> Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it and I >>> use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could help >>> that >>> would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the most >>> part, but any additions of course can be helpful. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>> >>> >>>> I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order to >>>> access Blackboard, from home. >>>> Our school uses it, and I like it. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>> Joshua, >>>>> blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll be >>>>> okay. >>>>> Press H for getting to major headings. >>>>> If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor >>>>> to >>>>> send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain text >>>>> then. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>> >>>>> They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on >>>>> this online class would be appreciated. >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. >>>>>> Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>> >>>>>> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. >>>>>> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>>>>> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>>>>> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>>>>> classes are inaccessible. >>>>>> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>>>>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >>>>>>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >>>>>>> being blind, so just go to class! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>>>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>>>>>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>>>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, >>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd >>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to >>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>>>>>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least >>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>>>>>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>>>>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, >>>>>>>>> Wednedsday, >>>>>>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for >>>>>>>>> priority >>>>>>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable >>>>>>>>> schedules >>>>>>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>>>>> Jewel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>>>>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>>>>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling >>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>>>>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will >>>>>>>>>> keep >>>>>>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From rloew at ETS.ORG Thu Dec 22 17:32:52 2011 From: rloew at ETS.ORG (Loew, Ruth) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:32:52 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Message-ID: <216E26F886846C4291CFEB500A05DAF802ED2474B8@VA3DIAXVS9E1.RED001.local> Robby - Cindy and Arielle (thanks!) already answered most of your questions. But as Arielle said, I do lurk on this list, and if you'd like to explore your GRE accommodations options further, feel free to contact me off-list. As they mentioned, we offer hard-copy braille as well as the self-voicing test specifically designed for blind and low-vision test takers; and there are other options as well. For accessible GRE General Test practice materials, see this web page: http://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/prepare/disabilities. We also provide a free, full practice test for the self-voicing format so test takers can learn the interface before test day. I hope this is helpful. Happy holidays, everyone! Ruth C. Loew, Ph.D. Assistant Director Office of Disability Policy, ETS RLoew at ets.org ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 18:56:15 +0000 From: "Spangler, Robert" > To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" > Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello all, I am thinking of applying for graduate school when I return from my trip in Spain next year. Many graduate programs do not require GRE scores but it seems as though the better ones do. First, what are your opinions; is a program generally of higher quality if it requires GRE scores? I have actually seen several programs that look pretty good that do not require GRE scores. I have also noticed that some of the best schools in the country, such as OSU and UW require GRE scores. Next, what are your experiences as blind people taking the GRE? IT appears as though, if one requires special accommodations, they are unable to register for the test online. Also, the GRE is computer-based; would we take that version or a modified version of the paper copy? In the bulletin, it recommends first that I ask the prospective institution if I can submit something else in place of GRE scores; what are opinions on this? Thanks, Robby -- Robert Spangler The University of Toledo Senior, Urban Studies and Spanish robert.spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu From dandrews at visi.com Thu Dec 22 17:41:28 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:41:28 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Press Release from GW Micro GW Skype Message-ID: > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > >GW Micro Launches GWSkype > >Fort Wayne, Indiana (December 19, 2011) - GW Micro, Inc. > >(www.gwmicro.com) announced a major > innovation today for the blind and > >visually impaired community. > >GW Micro, > >developers of Window-Eyes, the most powerful screen reader available, > >have developed GWSkype - a Window-Eyes app that makes Skype accessible > >to all blind and visually impaired people who use a Windows computer. > >Skype is a peer-to-peer service that allows users to call and message > >others via > >the Internet. Skype users may also call other landlines for a fee. While > >Skype > >has been around for years, its constantly changing user interface has > >been extremely difficult for blind and visually impaired users. "Each > >time the user interface changes, we have to completely write new a new > >Window-Eyes app to account for the changes," > >said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro. > >"These constant > >changes make it difficult or impossible for blind and visually > >impaired consumers to continue using the Skype service." > >The new GWSkype app will always make the Skype service available to > >blind and visually impaired computer users regardless of new versions > >of Skype that are > >released. The > >GWSkype app is a Window-Eyes app and demonstrates the power of > >Window-Eyes apps unmatched by any of its competitors. As Christmas is > >approaching, GW Micro is releasing the GWSkype app to all blind and > >visually impaired users who are running Windows at no cost. So, even > >a consumer not running Window-Eyes can still download and use the > >GWSkype app. > >"We believe that this is a special time of year and we want to give back," > >said Weirich. > >"GWSkype is a special gift from GW Micro to all blind and visually > >impaired users of Windows". > >The GWSkype app can be downloaded at > http://www.gwmicro.com/apps/gwskype. > >You can > >download the GWSkype live webinar and product demonstration at > >www.gwmicro.com/podcast. > >GW Micro has been a trusted pioneer in the adaptive technology > >industry since 1990, and continues to lead with innovative, customer > >driven solutions. > >SkypeT is a trademark of Skype Technologies S.A. > >Contact: > >Dan Weirich, VP of Sales and Marketing > >dan at gwmicro.com > >(260) 489-3671 From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 17:43:36 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:43:36 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: <122F36E659A144988A6A302B77A93010@Gloria> References: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid><9DABE82C563C4A3EAD0D50082C618E0F@OwnerPC> <122F36E659A144988A6A302B77A93010@Gloria> Message-ID: IE stands for Internet explorer. It is Microsoft's own browser. It is built into windows by default. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria G Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:55 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it and I use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could help that would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the most part, but any additions of course can be helpful. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order to > access Blackboard, from home. > Our school uses it, and I like it. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Joshua, >> blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll be >> okay. >> Press H for getting to major headings. >> If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor to >> send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain text >> then. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on >> this online class would be appreciated. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. >>> Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>> >>> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. >>> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>> classes are inaccessible. >>> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >>>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >>>> being blind, so just go to class! >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do >>>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to >>>>>> do >>>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least >>>>>> every >>>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, >>>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority >>>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable >>>>>> schedules >>>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>> Jewel >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >>>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling >>>>>>> our >>>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >>>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co m >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 18:28:45 2011 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:28:45 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE References: <216E26F886846C4291CFEB500A05DAF802ED2474B8@VA3DIAXVS9E1.RED001.local> Message-ID: <9D55B629C0164AD2A7F0EE202BD04CCD@Gloria> Hi, Do you know if this cite offers a free GRE test that students cn take and receive there score? I am a psych and sociology major, is there a different GRE I would have to take? I don't mean to sound ignorent, but I have heard there are different types of GRE tests. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loew, Ruth" To: Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE > Robby - > > Cindy and Arielle (thanks!) already answered most of your questions. But > as Arielle said, I do lurk on this list, and if you'd like to explore your > GRE accommodations options further, feel free to contact me off-list. As > they mentioned, we offer hard-copy braille as well as the self-voicing > test specifically designed for blind and low-vision test takers; and there > are other options as well. > > For accessible GRE General Test practice materials, see this web page: > http://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/prepare/disabilities. We also > provide a free, full practice test for the self-voicing format so test > takers can learn the interface before test day. > > I hope this is helpful. Happy holidays, everyone! > > Ruth C. Loew, Ph.D. > Assistant Director > Office of Disability Policy, ETS > RLoew at ets.org > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 18:56:15 +0000 > From: "Spangler, Robert" > > > To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" > > > Subject: [nabs-l] GRE > Message-ID: > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello all, > > I am thinking of applying for graduate school when I return from my trip > in Spain next year. Many graduate programs do not require GRE scores but > it seems as though the better ones do. First, what are your opinions; is > a program generally of higher quality if it requires GRE scores? I have > actually seen several programs that look pretty good that do not require > GRE scores. I have also noticed that some of the best schools in the > country, such as OSU and UW require GRE scores. > > Next, what are your experiences as blind people taking the GRE? IT > appears as though, if one requires special accommodations, they are unable > to register for the test online. Also, the GRE is computer-based; would > we take that version or a modified version of the paper copy? In the > bulletin, it recommends first that I ask the prospective institution if I > can submit something else in place of GRE scores; what are opinions on > this? > > Thanks, > Robby > -- > Robert Spangler > The University of Toledo > Senior, Urban Studies and Spanish > robert.spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Dec 22 18:30:05 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:30:05 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: References: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid> <9DABE82C563C4A3EAD0D50082C618E0F@OwnerPC> <122F36E659A144988A6A302B77A93010@Gloria> Message-ID: I explained that to her. Humberto, what do you know about Blackboard, and why it won't work for me. Thanks, Joshua On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > IE stands for Internet explorer. It is Microsoft's own browser. It is built > into windows by default. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Gloria G > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:55 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it and I > use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could help that > > would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the most > part, but any additions of course can be helpful. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > >> I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order to >> access Blackboard, from home. >> Our school uses it, and I like it. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Joshua, >>> blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll be >>> okay. >>> Press H for getting to major headings. >>> If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor to >>> send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain text >>> then. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>> >>> They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on >>> this online class would be appreciated. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. >>>> Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>> >>>> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. >>>> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>>> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>>> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>>> classes are inaccessible. >>>> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >>>>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >>>>> being blind, so just go to class! >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>>>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. >>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do >>>>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>>>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least >>>>>>> every >>>>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>>>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, >>>>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority >>>>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable >>>>>>> schedules >>>>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>>> Jewel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >>>>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling >>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >>>>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co > m >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 20:44:58 2011 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 15:44:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE In-Reply-To: <9D55B629C0164AD2A7F0EE202BD04CCD@Gloria> References: <216E26F886846C4291CFEB500A05DAF802ED2474B8@VA3DIAXVS9E1.RED001.local> <9D55B629C0164AD2A7F0EE202BD04CCD@Gloria> Message-ID: Hi Gloria, I believe you are referring to the subject GRE tests. While the General GRE evaluates your math, verbal, and writing ability and is required by graduate programs from various disciplines, the subject tests assess your knowledge in a specialized area of study in which you are planning to do graduate work (e.g. psychology, math, etc.). Not many Ph.D. programs in psychology require the subject test, but I did take it when applying to grad schools since a few of the programs that I was really interested in did require it. Most of the accommodations-related advice that has been shared in this thread also applies to the subject GRE, but, unlike the General test, it is still largely paper-based (I'm not sure whether things have changed since 2008). Hope that helps! Katie On 12/22/11, Gloria G wrote: > Hi, > Do you know if this cite offers a free GRE test that students cn take and > receive there score? I am a psych and sociology major, is there a different > GRE I would have to take? I don't mean to sound ignorent, but I have heard > there are different types of GRE tests. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Loew, Ruth" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:32 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE > > >> Robby - >> >> Cindy and Arielle (thanks!) already answered most of your questions. But >> as Arielle said, I do lurk on this list, and if you'd like to explore your >> >> GRE accommodations options further, feel free to contact me off-list. As >> they mentioned, we offer hard-copy braille as well as the self-voicing >> test specifically designed for blind and low-vision test takers; and there >> >> are other options as well. >> >> For accessible GRE General Test practice materials, see this web page: >> http://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/prepare/disabilities. We also >> provide a free, full practice test for the self-voicing format so test >> takers can learn the interface before test day. >> >> I hope this is helpful. Happy holidays, everyone! >> >> Ruth C. Loew, Ph.D. >> Assistant Director >> Office of Disability Policy, ETS >> RLoew at ets.org >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 18:56:15 +0000 >> From: "Spangler, Robert" >> > >> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" >> > >> Subject: [nabs-l] GRE >> Message-ID: >> >> > >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Hello all, >> >> I am thinking of applying for graduate school when I return from my trip >> in Spain next year. Many graduate programs do not require GRE scores but >> it seems as though the better ones do. First, what are your opinions; is >> a program generally of higher quality if it requires GRE scores? I have >> actually seen several programs that look pretty good that do not require >> GRE scores. I have also noticed that some of the best schools in the >> country, such as OSU and UW require GRE scores. >> >> Next, what are your experiences as blind people taking the GRE? IT >> appears as though, if one requires special accommodations, they are unable >> >> to register for the test online. Also, the GRE is computer-based; would >> we take that version or a modified version of the paper copy? In the >> bulletin, it recommends first that I ask the prospective institution if I >> can submit something else in place of GRE scores; what are opinions on >> this? >> >> Thanks, >> Robby >> -- >> Robert Spangler >> The University of Toledo >> Senior, Urban Studies and Spanish >> robert.spangler at rockets.utoledo.edu >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bunnykatie6%40gmail.com > From carlymih at earthlink.net Thu Dec 22 20:53:02 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:53:02 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: <122F36E659A144988A6A302B77A93010@Gloria> References: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid> <9DABE82C563C4A3EAD0D50082C618E0F@OwnerPC> <122F36E659A144988A6A302B77A93010@Gloria> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20111222125223.01d8b368@earthlink.net> Good morning, Josh, Of course, IE is Internet Exploder!At 08:55 AM 12/22/2011, Gloria G wrote: >Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it >and I use blackbord for school also and if there is something that >could help that would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty >accessible for the most part, but any additions of course can be helpful. >----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" > >To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > >>I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order to >>access Blackboard, from home. >>Our school uses it, and I like it. >>Blessings, Joshua >> >>On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>Joshua, >>>blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll be okay. >>>Press H for getting to major headings. >>>If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor to >>>send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain text >>>then. >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Joshua Lester >>>Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>> >>>They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on >>>this online class would be appreciated. >>>Thanks, Joshua >>> >>>On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. >>>>Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Joshua Lester >>>>Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>> >>>>I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. >>>>These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>>>The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>>>I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>>>classes are inaccessible. >>>>Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>>>Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>>On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>>>Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >>>>>time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >>>>>being blind, so just go to class! >>>>> >>>>>Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>>>We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>>>>>This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>>>Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. >>>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>>On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>>>Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do >>>>>>>to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to do >>>>>>>your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>>>apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>>>semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>>>>>>have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least every >>>>>>>other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>>>>>>This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>>>>>coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, >>>>>>>Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority >>>>>>>registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable schedules >>>>>>>that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>>>Jewel >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>>>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>>I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>>>I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>>>>>>didn't show up! >>>>>>>>She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >>>>>>>>campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>>>She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>>>>>>thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>>>The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling our >>>>>>>>cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>>>She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>>>She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>>>She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>>>Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>>>>>>needed to meet with. >>>>>>>>On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>>>I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >>>>>>>>me out of church. >>>>>>>>This has been a bad day! >>>>>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Dec 22 20:59:03 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 14:59:03 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20111222125223.01d8b368@earthlink.net> References: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid> <9DABE82C563C4A3EAD0D50082C618E0F@OwnerPC> <122F36E659A144988A6A302B77A93010@Gloria> <7.0.1.0.2.20111222125223.01d8b368@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Gloria was the one that asked the question, and I answered. Wow! I forgot it was morning where you are. It's 3 in the Afternoon here in Arkansas. Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Carly wrote: > Good morning, Josh, > > Of course, IE is Internet Exploder!At 08:55 AM 12/22/2011, Gloria G wrote: >>Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it >>and I use blackbord for school also and if there is something that >>could help that would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty >>accessible for the most part, but any additions of course can be helpful. >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" >> >>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >>Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> >>>I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order to >>>access Blackboard, from home. >>>Our school uses it, and I like it. >>>Blessings, Joshua >>> >>>On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>Joshua, >>>>blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll be >>>> okay. >>>>Press H for getting to major headings. >>>>If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor to >>>>send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain text >>>>then. >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Joshua Lester >>>>Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>> >>>>They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on >>>>this online class would be appreciated. >>>>Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>>On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. >>>>>Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>>>> >>>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Joshua Lester >>>>>Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>> >>>>>I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. >>>>>These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>>>>The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>>>>I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>>>>classes are inaccessible. >>>>>Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>>>>Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>>On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>>>>Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >>>>>>time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >>>>>>being blind, so just go to class! >>>>>> >>>>>>Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>>>>We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>>>>>>This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>>>>Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. >>>>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>>On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>>>>Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do >>>>>>>>to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to >>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>>>>apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>>>>semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>>>>>>>have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least >>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>>>>>>>This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>>>>>>coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, >>>>>>>>Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority >>>>>>>>registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable >>>>>>>> schedules >>>>>>>>that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>>>>Jewel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>>>>>Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>>>I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>>>>I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>>>>>>>didn't show up! >>>>>>>>>She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >>>>>>>>>campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>>>>She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>>>>>>>thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>>>>The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling >>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>>>>She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>>>>She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>>>>She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>>>>Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>>>>>>>needed to meet with. >>>>>>>>>On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>>>>I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >>>>>>>>>me out of church. >>>>>>>>>This has been a bad day! >>>>>>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>nabs-l: >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 21:39:08 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:39:08 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: References: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid><9DABE82C563C4A3EAD0D50082C618E0F@OwnerPC><122F36E659A144988A6A302B77A93010@Gloria> Message-ID: Hello Josh, I'm sorry that I have to inform you that I don't, and haven't, used blackboard so far. I don't know anything about its accessibility features or how inaccessible it is. You may want to search for "Blackboard" on this list's archive, for previous posts concerning blackboard, located at http://www.nfbNet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbNet.org. If that link doesn't work try http://www.nfbNet.org/, and click on this lists archive. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:30 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! I explained that to her. Humberto, what do you know about Blackboard, and why it won't work for me. Thanks, Joshua On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > IE stands for Internet explorer. It is Microsoft's own browser. It is built > into windows by default. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Gloria G > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:55 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it and I > use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could help that > > would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the most > part, but any additions of course can be helpful. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > >> I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order to >> access Blackboard, from home. >> Our school uses it, and I like it. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Joshua, >>> blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll be >>> okay. >>> Press H for getting to major headings. >>> If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor to >>> send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain text >>> then. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>> >>> They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on >>> this online class would be appreciated. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. >>>> Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>> >>>> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. >>>> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>>> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>>> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>>> classes are inaccessible. >>>> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >>>>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >>>>> being blind, so just go to class! >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>>>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. >>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do >>>>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>>>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least >>>>>>> every >>>>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>>>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, >>>>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority >>>>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable >>>>>>> schedules >>>>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>>> Jewel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >>>>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling >>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >>>>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co > m >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Dec 22 21:46:48 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:46:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: References: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid><9DABE82C563C4A3EAD0D50082C618E0F@OwnerPC><122F36E659A144988A6A302B77A93010@Gloria> Message-ID: <0D461E040FFE4F12A5BAB4F26C322400@OwnerPC> IE is its own browser and does not have to do with blackboard. You browse the internet with IE and you access blackboard through your school's website/account. -----Original Message----- From: Humberto Avila Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:43 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! IE stands for Internet explorer. It is Microsoft's own browser. It is built into windows by default. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria G Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:55 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it and I use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could help that would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the most part, but any additions of course can be helpful. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order to > access Blackboard, from home. > Our school uses it, and I like it. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Joshua, >> blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll be >> okay. >> Press H for getting to major headings. >> If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor to >> send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain text >> then. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on >> this online class would be appreciated. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. >>> Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>> >>> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. >>> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>> classes are inaccessible. >>> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >>>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >>>> being blind, so just go to class! >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do >>>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to >>>>>> do >>>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least >>>>>> every >>>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, >>>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority >>>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable >>>>>> schedules >>>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>> Jewel >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >>>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling >>>>>>> our >>>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep >>>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co m >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p ccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Dec 22 21:50:03 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:50:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: References: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid><9DABE82C563C4A3EAD0D50082C618E0F@OwnerPC><122F36E659A144988A6A302B77A93010@Gloria> Message-ID: try using internet explorer. Also if it doesn't load the page, try and refresh it with f 5. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:13 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! I would have given you a long, "Duh," but I'm nicer than that! I have a question about Blackboard. Why does it always say, "Page has no links," when I pull it up? I could understand that, with this older version of Internet Explorer, but I also have the latest version of Firefox, and it won't work with that. Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Gloria G wrote: > HAHAHAHHAH! My goodness IE internet explore, I should have guessed > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > >> Internet Explorer. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/22/11, Gloria G wrote: >>> Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it and >>> I >>> use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could help >>> that >>> would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the most >>> part, but any additions of course can be helpful. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>> >>> >>>> I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order to >>>> access Blackboard, from home. >>>> Our school uses it, and I like it. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>> Joshua, >>>>> blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll be >>>>> okay. >>>>> Press H for getting to major headings. >>>>> If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor >>>>> to >>>>> send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain >>>>> text >>>>> then. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>> >>>>> They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on >>>>> this online class would be appreciated. >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. >>>>>> Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>> >>>>>> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. >>>>>> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>>>>> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>>>>> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>>>>> classes are inaccessible. >>>>>> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>>>>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >>>>>>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >>>>>>> being blind, so just go to class! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>>>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>>>>>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>>>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, >>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd >>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>>>>>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least >>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every >>>>>>>>> day). >>>>>>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>>>>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, >>>>>>>>> Wednedsday, >>>>>>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for >>>>>>>>> priority >>>>>>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable >>>>>>>>> schedules >>>>>>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>>>>> Jewel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>>>>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she >>>>>>>>>> never >>>>>>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling >>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that >>>>>>>>>> she >>>>>>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will >>>>>>>>>> keep >>>>>>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Dec 22 22:03:48 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:03:48 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: References: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid> <9DABE82C563C4A3EAD0D50082C618E0F@OwnerPC> <122F36E659A144988A6A302B77A93010@Gloria> Message-ID: I've discussedBlackboard on here before. I just hate that I have to spend more money to update my Internet Explorer. Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > Hello Josh, > I'm sorry that I have to inform you that I don't, and haven't, used > blackboard so far. I don't know anything about its accessibility features or > how inaccessible it is. You may want to search for "Blackboard" on this > list's archive, for previous posts concerning blackboard, located at > http://www.nfbNet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbNet.org. If that link > doesn't work try http://www.nfbNet.org/, and click on this lists archive. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:30 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > I explained that to her. > Humberto, what do you know about Blackboard, and why it won't work for me. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >> IE stands for Internet explorer. It is Microsoft's own browser. It is > built >> into windows by default. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf >> Of Gloria G >> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:55 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it and I >> use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could help > that >> >> would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the most >> part, but any additions of course can be helpful. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> >>> I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order to >>> access Blackboard, from home. >>> Our school uses it, and I like it. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> Joshua, >>>> blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll be >>>> okay. >>>> Press H for getting to major headings. >>>> If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor to >>>> send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain text >>>> then. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>> >>>> They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on >>>> this online class would be appreciated. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. >>>>> Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>> >>>>> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. >>>>> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>>>> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>>>> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>>>> classes are inaccessible. >>>>> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>>>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >>>>>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >>>>>> being blind, so just go to class! >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>>>>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. >>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd > do >>>>>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to >>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>>>>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least >>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>>>>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>>>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, >>>>>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority >>>>>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable >>>>>>>> schedules >>>>>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>>>> Jewel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>>>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >>>>>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>>>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling >>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>>>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will > keep >>>>>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co >> m >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >> ccua.edu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >> ccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. >> net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >> ccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. >> net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >> ccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From steve.jacobson at visi.com Thu Dec 22 22:31:39 2011 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:31:39 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Joshua, Are you sure that Blackboard requires Internet Explorer 9? Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:03:48 -0600, Joshua Lester wrote: >I've discussedBlackboard on here before. >I just hate that I have to spend more money to update my Internet Explorer. >Blessings, Joshua >On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >> Hello Josh, >> I'm sorry that I have to inform you that I don't, and haven't, used >> blackboard so far. I don't know anything about its accessibility features or >> how inaccessible it is. You may want to search for "Blackboard" on this >> list's archive, for previous posts concerning blackboard, located at >> http://www.nfbNet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbNet.org. If that link >> doesn't work try http://www.nfbNet.org/, and click on this lists archive. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf >> Of Joshua Lester >> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:30 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> I explained that to her. >> Humberto, what do you know about Blackboard, and why it won't work for me. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>> IE stands for Internet explorer. It is Microsoft's own browser. It is >> built >>> into windows by default. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >>> Of Gloria G >>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:55 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>> >>> Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it and I >>> use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could help >> that >>> >>> would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the most >>> part, but any additions of course can be helpful. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>> >>> >>>> I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order to >>>> access Blackboard, from home. >>>> Our school uses it, and I like it. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>> Joshua, >>>>> blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll be >>>>> okay. >>>>> Press H for getting to major headings. >>>>> If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor to >>>>> send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain text >>>>> then. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>> >>>>> They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on >>>>> this online class would be appreciated. >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. >>>>>> Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>> >>>>>> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. >>>>>> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>>>>> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>>>>> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>>>>> classes are inaccessible. >>>>>> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>>>>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >>>>>>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >>>>>>> being blind, so just go to class! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>>>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>>>>>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>>>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. >>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd >> do >>>>>>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to >>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>>>>>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least >>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>>>>>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>>>>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, >>>>>>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority >>>>>>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable >>>>>>>>> schedules >>>>>>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>>>>> Jewel >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>>>>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the >>>>>>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>>>>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling >>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>>>>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will >> keep >>>>>>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co >>> m >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >>> ccua.edu >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >>> ccua.edu >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 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nabs-l: >>>>> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. >>> net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >>> ccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >> ccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 22:38:53 2011 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:38:53 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! References: Message-ID: <58BEE68F78B541B4B40620CE5802508D@Gloria> Hi, I am using internet explore six I believe it is and it works fine with blackboard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jacobson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > Joshua, > > Are you sure that Blackboard requires Internet Explorer 9? > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:03:48 -0600, Joshua Lester wrote: > >>I've discussedBlackboard on here before. >>I just hate that I have to spend more money to update my Internet >>Explorer. >>Blessings, Joshua > >>On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>> Hello Josh, >>> I'm sorry that I have to inform you that I don't, and haven't, used >>> blackboard so far. I don't know anything about its accessibility >>> features or >>> how inaccessible it is. You may want to search for "Blackboard" on this >>> list's archive, for previous posts concerning blackboard, located at >>> http://www.nfbNet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbNet.org. If that link >>> doesn't work try http://www.nfbNet.org/, and click on this lists >>> archive. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:30 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>> >>> I explained that to her. >>> Humberto, what do you know about Blackboard, and why it won't work for >>> me. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>> IE stands for Internet explorer. It is Microsoft's own browser. It is >>> built >>>> into windows by default. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>>> Of Gloria G >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:55 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>> >>>> Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it and >>>> I >>>> use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could help >>> that >>>> >>>> would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the >>>> most >>>> part, but any additions of course can be helpful. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>> >>>> >>>>> I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order to >>>>> access Blackboard, from home. >>>>> Our school uses it, and I like it. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>> Joshua, >>>>>> blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll >>>>>> be >>>>>> okay. >>>>>> Press H for getting to major headings. >>>>>> If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor >>>>>> to >>>>>> send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain >>>>>> text >>>>>> then. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>> >>>>>> They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on >>>>>> this online class would be appreciated. >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>>> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. >>>>>>> Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning >>>>>>> Rehab. >>>>>>> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>>>>>> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>>>>>> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>>>>>> classes are inaccessible. >>>>>>> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>>>>>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >>>>>>>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >>>>>>>> being blind, so just go to class! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>>>>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>>>>>>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>>>>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, >>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say >>>>>>>>>> she'd >>> do >>>>>>>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>>>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>>>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least >>>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every >>>>>>>>>> day). >>>>>>>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>>>>>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, >>>>>>>>>> Wednedsday, >>>>>>>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for >>>>>>>>>> priority >>>>>>>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable >>>>>>>>>> schedules >>>>>>>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>>>>>> Jewel >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but >>>>>>>>>>> she >>>>>>>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>>>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she >>>>>>>>>>> never >>>>>>>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of >>>>>>>>>>> calling >>>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that >>>>>>>>>>> she >>>>>>>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>>>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will >>> keep >>>>>>>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>>>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>>>>> info >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co >>>> m >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >>>> ccua.edu >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >>>> ccua.edu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. >>>> net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >>>> ccua.edu >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> 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your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> > >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Dec 22 22:43:38 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:43:38 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: <58BEE68F78B541B4B40620CE5802508D@Gloria> References: <58BEE68F78B541B4B40620CE5802508D@Gloria> Message-ID: It may not work with Windows Vista though. Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Gloria G wrote: > Hi, > I am using internet explore six I believe it is and it works fine with > blackboard > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Jacobson" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > >> Joshua, >> >> Are you sure that Blackboard requires Internet Explorer 9? >> >> Best regards, >> >> Steve Jacobson >> >> On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:03:48 -0600, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >>>I've discussedBlackboard on here before. >>>I just hate that I have to spend more money to update my Internet >>>Explorer. >>>Blessings, Joshua >> >>>On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>> Hello Josh, >>>> I'm sorry that I have to inform you that I don't, and haven't, used >>>> blackboard so far. I don't know anything about its accessibility >>>> features or >>>> how inaccessible it is. You may want to search for "Blackboard" on this >>>> list's archive, for previous posts concerning blackboard, located at >>>> http://www.nfbNet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbNet.org. If that link >>>> doesn't work try http://www.nfbNet.org/, and click on this lists >>>> archive. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:30 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>> >>>> I explained that to her. >>>> Humberto, what do you know about Blackboard, and why it won't work for >>>> me. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>>> IE stands for Internet explorer. It is Microsoft's own browser. It is >>>> built >>>>> into windows by default. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:55 AM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>> >>>>> Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it and >>>>> >>>>> I >>>>> use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could help >>>> that >>>>> >>>>> would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the >>>>> most >>>>> part, but any additions of course can be helpful. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order to >>>>>> access Blackboard, from home. >>>>>> Our school uses it, and I like it. >>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>>> Joshua, >>>>>>> blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> okay. >>>>>>> Press H for getting to major headings. >>>>>>> If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor >>>>>>> >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain >>>>>>> text >>>>>>> then. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on >>>>>>> this online class would be appreciated. >>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>>>> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. >>>>>>>> Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning >>>>>>>> Rehab. >>>>>>>> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>>>>>>> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>>>>>>> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>>>>>>> classes are inaccessible. >>>>>>>> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>>>>>>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >>>>>>>>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >>>>>>>>> being blind, so just go to class! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>>>>>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>>>>>>>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>>>>>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, >>>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say >>>>>>>>>>> she'd >>>> do >>>>>>>>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>>>>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>>>>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least >>>>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every >>>>>>>>>>> day). >>>>>>>>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>>>>>>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, >>>>>>>>>>> Wednedsday, >>>>>>>>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for >>>>>>>>>>> priority >>>>>>>>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable >>>>>>>>>>> schedules >>>>>>>>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>>>>>>> Jewel >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>>>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but >>>>>>>>>>>> she >>>>>>>>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>>>>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>>>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she >>>>>>>>>>>> never >>>>>>>>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>>>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of >>>>>>>>>>>> calling >>>>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>>>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>>>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>>>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that >>>>>>>>>>>> she >>>>>>>>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>>>>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>>>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will >>>> keep >>>>>>>>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>>>>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>>>>>> info >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co >>>>> m >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 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ccua.edu >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g >>>> mail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>> >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 23:08:42 2011 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:08:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: References: <58BEE68F78B541B4B40620CE5802508D@Gloria> Message-ID: <5E4669C7-5925-4D35-B5DA-D25704B845E0@gmail.com> I really don't think your problems with Blackboard have anything to do with Vista. I checked witha friend who has it and he uses Blackboard just fine. I am not sure what is causing the problem, but I wouldn't upgrade to 7 for that reason alone Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > It may not work with Windows Vista though. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Gloria G wrote: >> Hi, >> I am using internet explore six I believe it is and it works fine with >> blackboard >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve Jacobson" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> >>> Joshua, >>> >>> Are you sure that Blackboard requires Internet Explorer 9? >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Steve Jacobson >>> >>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:03:48 -0600, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> >>>> I've discussedBlackboard on here before. >>>> I just hate that I have to spend more money to update my Internet >>>> Explorer. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>>> On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>>> Hello Josh, >>>>> I'm sorry that I have to inform you that I don't, and haven't, used >>>>> blackboard so far. I don't know anything about its accessibility >>>>> features or >>>>> how inaccessible it is. You may want to search for "Blackboard" on this >>>>> list's archive, for previous posts concerning blackboard, located at >>>>> http://www.nfbNet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbNet.org. If that link >>>>> doesn't work try http://www.nfbNet.org/, and click on this lists >>>>> archive. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:30 AM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>> >>>>> I explained that to her. >>>>> Humberto, what do you know about Blackboard, and why it won't work for >>>>> me. >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>>>> IE stands for Internet explorer. It is Microsoft's own browser. It is >>>>> built >>>>>> into windows by default. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:55 AM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it and >>>>>> >>>>>> I >>>>>> use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could help >>>>> that >>>>>> >>>>>> would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the >>>>>> most >>>>>> part, but any additions of course can be helpful. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order to >>>>>>> access Blackboard, from home. >>>>>>> Our school uses it, and I like it. >>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>>>> Joshua, >>>>>>>> blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> okay. >>>>>>>> Press H for getting to major headings. >>>>>>>> If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain >>>>>>>> text >>>>>>>> then. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on >>>>>>>> this online class would be appreciated. >>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>>>>> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. >>>>>>>>> Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning >>>>>>>>> Rehab. >>>>>>>>> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>>>>>>>> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>>>>>>>> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>>>>>>>> classes are inaccessible. >>>>>>>>> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >>>>>>>>>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >>>>>>>>>> being blind, so just go to class! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>>>>>>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>>>>>>>>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>>>>>>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, >>>>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say >>>>>>>>>>>> she'd >>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>>>>>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>>>>>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as >>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least >>>>>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every >>>>>>>>>>>> day). >>>>>>>>>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>>>>>>>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, >>>>>>>>>>>> Wednedsday, >>>>>>>>>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for >>>>>>>>>>>> priority >>>>>>>>>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable >>>>>>>>>>>> schedules >>>>>>>>>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>>>>>>>> Jewel >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>>>>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but >>>>>>>>>>>>> she >>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>>>>>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>>>>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she >>>>>>>>>>>>> never >>>>>>>>>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of >>>>>>>>>>>>> calling >>>>>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>>>>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>>>>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>>>>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that >>>>>>>>>>>>> she >>>>>>>>>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>>>>>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will >>>>> keep >>>>>>>>>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>>>>>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>>>>>>> info >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co >>>>>> m >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >>>>>> ccua.edu >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >>>>>> ccua.edu >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. >>>>>> net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >>>>>> ccua.edu >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. >>>>>> net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >>>>>> ccua.edu >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 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info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >>>>> ccua.edu >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g >>>>> mail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>>>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 23:09:31 2011 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:09:31 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! References: <58BEE68F78B541B4B40620CE5802508D@Gloria> Message-ID: <68119D0BC03A41899695588BBC9AB66D@Gloria> Hi, I have a friend who is using vista and she has no problem ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > It may not work with Windows Vista though. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Gloria G wrote: >> Hi, >> I am using internet explore six I believe it is and it works fine with >> blackboard >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve Jacobson" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> >>> Joshua, >>> >>> Are you sure that Blackboard requires Internet Explorer 9? >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Steve Jacobson >>> >>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:03:48 -0600, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> >>>>I've discussedBlackboard on here before. >>>>I just hate that I have to spend more money to update my Internet >>>>Explorer. >>>>Blessings, Joshua >>> >>>>On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>>> Hello Josh, >>>>> I'm sorry that I have to inform you that I don't, and haven't, used >>>>> blackboard so far. I don't know anything about its accessibility >>>>> features or >>>>> how inaccessible it is. You may want to search for "Blackboard" on >>>>> this >>>>> list's archive, for previous posts concerning blackboard, located at >>>>> http://www.nfbNet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbNet.org. If that >>>>> link >>>>> doesn't work try http://www.nfbNet.org/, and click on this lists >>>>> archive. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:30 AM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>> >>>>> I explained that to her. >>>>> Humberto, what do you know about Blackboard, and why it won't work for >>>>> me. >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>>>> IE stands for Internet explorer. It is Microsoft's own browser. It is >>>>> built >>>>>> into windows by default. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:55 AM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it >>>>>> and >>>>>> >>>>>> I >>>>>> use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could >>>>>> help >>>>> that >>>>>> >>>>>> would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the >>>>>> most >>>>>> part, but any additions of course can be helpful. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> access Blackboard, from home. >>>>>>> Our school uses it, and I like it. >>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>>>> Joshua, >>>>>>>> blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> okay. >>>>>>>> Press H for getting to major headings. >>>>>>>> If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your >>>>>>>> professor >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain >>>>>>>> text >>>>>>>> then. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> this online class would be appreciated. >>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>>>>> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm >>>>>>>>> sure. >>>>>>>>> Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning >>>>>>>>> Rehab. >>>>>>>>> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>>>>>>>> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>>>>>>>> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>>>>>>>> classes are inaccessible. >>>>>>>>> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> being blind, so just go to class! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>>>>>>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority >>>>>>>>>>> registration. >>>>>>>>>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>>>>>>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, >>>>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say >>>>>>>>>>>> she'd >>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until >>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>>>>>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>>>>>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, >>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at >>>>>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every >>>>>>>>>>>> day). >>>>>>>>>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. >>>>>>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>>>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, >>>>>>>>>>>> Wednedsday, >>>>>>>>>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for >>>>>>>>>>>> priority >>>>>>>>>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable >>>>>>>>>>>> schedules >>>>>>>>>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>>>>>>>> Jewel >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>>>>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but >>>>>>>>>>>>> she >>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>>>>>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>>>>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she >>>>>>>>>>>>> never >>>>>>>>>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of >>>>>>>>>>>>> calling >>>>>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>>>>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>>>>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>>>>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that >>>>>>>>>>>>> she >>>>>>>>>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>>>>>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich >>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>> keep >>>>>>>>>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>>>>>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>>>>>>> info >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> 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>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Dec 22 23:18:52 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:18:52 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: <68119D0BC03A41899695588BBC9AB66D@Gloria> References: <58BEE68F78B541B4B40620CE5802508D@Gloria> <68119D0BC03A41899695588BBC9AB66D@Gloria> Message-ID: Hmmm! Could it be my computer? I use an Acer laptop, that uses Windows Vista Home Premium. Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Gloria G wrote: > Hi, > I have a friend who is using vista and she has no problem > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:43 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > >> It may not work with Windows Vista though. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/22/11, Gloria G wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I am using internet explore six I believe it is and it works fine with >>> blackboard >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Steve Jacobson" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:31 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>> >>> >>>> Joshua, >>>> >>>> Are you sure that Blackboard requires Internet Explorer 9? >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Steve Jacobson >>>> >>>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:03:48 -0600, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>> >>>>>I've discussedBlackboard on here before. >>>>>I just hate that I have to spend more money to update my Internet >>>>>Explorer. >>>>>Blessings, Joshua >>>> >>>>>On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>>>> Hello Josh, >>>>>> I'm sorry that I have to inform you that I don't, and haven't, used >>>>>> blackboard so far. I don't know anything about its accessibility >>>>>> features or >>>>>> how inaccessible it is. You may want to search for "Blackboard" on >>>>>> this >>>>>> list's archive, for previous posts concerning blackboard, located at >>>>>> http://www.nfbNet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbNet.org. If that >>>>>> link >>>>>> doesn't work try http://www.nfbNet.org/, and click on this lists >>>>>> archive. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:30 AM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>> >>>>>> I explained that to her. >>>>>> Humberto, what do you know about Blackboard, and why it won't work for >>>>>> me. >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>>>>> IE stands for Internet explorer. It is Microsoft's own browser. It is >>>>>> built >>>>>>> into windows by default. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>>> Behalf >>>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:55 AM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could >>>>>>> help >>>>>> that >>>>>>> >>>>>>> would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the >>>>>>> most >>>>>>> part, but any additions of course can be helpful. >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> access Blackboard, from home. >>>>>>>> Our school uses it, and I like it. >>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>>>>> Joshua, >>>>>>>>> blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll >>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>> okay. >>>>>>>>> Press H for getting to major headings. >>>>>>>>> If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your >>>>>>>>> professor >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain >>>>>>>>> text >>>>>>>>> then. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> this online class would be appreciated. >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>>>>>> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm >>>>>>>>>> sure. >>>>>>>>>> Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning >>>>>>>>>> Rehab. >>>>>>>>>> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>>>>>>>>> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>>>>>>>>> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>>>>>>>>> classes are inaccessible. >>>>>>>>>> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with >>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>> being blind, so just go to class! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>>>>>>>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority >>>>>>>>>>>> registration. >>>>>>>>>>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>>>>>>>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, >>>>>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say >>>>>>>>>>>>> she'd >>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until >>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>>>>>>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>>>>>>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, >>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at >>>>>>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every >>>>>>>>>>>>> day). >>>>>>>>>>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. >>>>>>>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>>>>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wednedsday, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for >>>>>>>>>>>>> priority >>>>>>>>>>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable >>>>>>>>>>>>> schedules >>>>>>>>>>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jewel >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> she >>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she >>>>>>>>>>>>>> never >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> calling >>>>>>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> she >>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>> keep >>>>>>>>>>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>>>>>>>> info >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> 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visi.com Thu Dec 22 23:25:12 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:25:12 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Using BlackBoard Message-ID: There has been some discussion of BlackBoard here, and the possible need to move from Vista to Windows 7. First let me say that for the most part, the operating system shouldn't matter, unless it doesn't support a browser and version of that browser you want to run. Different people are saying that this works for me, or this doesn't etc. I am sure that this is true. However, I would caution anybody on making sweeping generalizations or conclusions on partial information. There are various versions of Black Board out there, some more accessible than others. Accessibility may also depend on how it is set up, how it is configured, and what specific features are being used. Further the browser employed to access it, version of that browser, screen reader, and version of that screen reader may all matter. This stuff is complicated and there are lots of variables. In general it is generally best to run a recent version of a widely used browser, Internet explorer or Firefox for example, which also means running a relatively recent screen reader. New technologies are used on the web, and in applications all the time, and more recent assistive technology generally handles them better. Many sites have started phasing out Internet Explorer 6 support, so if you are still running it, it is probably time to think seriously about updating. David Andrews \ From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Dec 23 00:05:49 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:05:49 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Using BlackBoard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have Jaws 10.0, which is another problem, now that you mentioned screenreaders. Here's my problem. I can get Blackboard to come up, to where I log in. After I log in, it says, "Page has no Links." What's the deal? I have no clue as to which version of Blackboard they use, at my college. I'll E-mail my tech support guy, and ask him. Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, David Andrews wrote: > There has been some discussion of BlackBoard here, and the possible > need to move from Vista to Windows 7. First let me say that for the > most part, the operating system shouldn't matter, unless it doesn't > support a browser and version of that browser you want to run. > > Different people are saying that this works for me, or this doesn't > etc. I am sure that this is true. However, I would caution anybody > on making sweeping generalizations or conclusions on partial information. > > There are various versions of Black Board out there, some more > accessible than others. Accessibility may also depend on how it is > set up, how it is configured, and what specific features are being > used. Further the browser employed to access it, version of that > browser, screen reader, and version of that screen reader may all matter. > > This stuff is complicated and there are lots of variables. In > general it is generally best to run a recent version of a widely used > browser, Internet explorer or Firefox for example, which also means > running a relatively recent screen reader. New technologies are used > on the web, and in applications all the time, and more recent > assistive technology generally handles them better. > > Many sites have started phasing out Internet Explorer 6 support, so > if you are still running it, it is probably time to think seriously > about updating. > > David Andrews > > \ > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dandrews at visi.com Fri Dec 23 00:18:30 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:18:30 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Using BlackBoard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, it could mean a number of things, like there are no links, or they are using something where JAWS can't identify them. who knows. Dave At 06:05 PM 12/22/2011, you wrote: >I have Jaws 10.0, which is another problem, now that you mentioned >screenreaders. >Here's my problem. >I can get Blackboard to come up, to where I log in. >After I log in, it says, "Page has no Links." >What's the deal? >I have no clue as to which version of Blackboard they use, at my college. >I'll E-mail my tech support guy, and ask him. >Blessings, Joshua > >On 12/22/11, David Andrews wrote: > > There has been some discussion of BlackBoard here, and the possible > > need to move from Vista to Windows 7. First let me say that for the > > most part, the operating system shouldn't matter, unless it doesn't > > support a browser and version of that browser you want to run. > > > > Different people are saying that this works for me, or this doesn't > > etc. I am sure that this is true. However, I would caution anybody > > on making sweeping generalizations or conclusions on partial information. > > > > There are various versions of Black Board out there, some more > > accessible than others. Accessibility may also depend on how it is > > set up, how it is configured, and what specific features are being > > used. Further the browser employed to access it, version of that > > browser, screen reader, and version of that screen reader may all matter. > > > > This stuff is complicated and there are lots of variables. In > > general it is generally best to run a recent version of a widely used > > browser, Internet explorer or Firefox for example, which also means > > running a relatively recent screen reader. New technologies are used > > on the web, and in applications all the time, and more recent > > assistive technology generally handles them better. > > > > Many sites have started phasing out Internet Explorer 6 support, so > > if you are still running it, it is probably time to think seriously > > about updating. > > > > David Andrews From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Dec 23 00:27:04 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:27:04 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Using BlackBoard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've heard alot about NVDA. Would it identify some things, that Jaws doesn't identify? Thanks, Joshua On 12/22/11, David Andrews wrote: > Well, it could mean a number of things, like there are no links, or > they are using something where JAWS can't identify them. who knows. > > Dave > > At 06:05 PM 12/22/2011, you wrote: >>I have Jaws 10.0, which is another problem, now that you mentioned >>screenreaders. >>Here's my problem. >>I can get Blackboard to come up, to where I log in. >>After I log in, it says, "Page has no Links." >>What's the deal? >>I have no clue as to which version of Blackboard they use, at my college. >>I'll E-mail my tech support guy, and ask him. >>Blessings, Joshua >> >>On 12/22/11, David Andrews wrote: >> > There has been some discussion of BlackBoard here, and the possible >> > need to move from Vista to Windows 7. First let me say that for the >> > most part, the operating system shouldn't matter, unless it doesn't >> > support a browser and version of that browser you want to run. >> > >> > Different people are saying that this works for me, or this doesn't >> > etc. I am sure that this is true. However, I would caution anybody >> > on making sweeping generalizations or conclusions on partial >> > information. >> > >> > There are various versions of Black Board out there, some more >> > accessible than others. Accessibility may also depend on how it is >> > set up, how it is configured, and what specific features are being >> > used. Further the browser employed to access it, version of that >> > browser, screen reader, and version of that screen reader may all >> > matter. >> > >> > This stuff is complicated and there are lots of variables. In >> > general it is generally best to run a recent version of a widely used >> > browser, Internet explorer or Firefox for example, which also means >> > running a relatively recent screen reader. New technologies are used >> > on the web, and in applications all the time, and more recent >> > assistive technology generally handles them better. >> > >> > Many sites have started phasing out Internet Explorer 6 support, so >> > if you are still running it, it is probably time to think seriously >> > about updating. >> > >> > David Andrews > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 00:59:02 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:59:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. Message-ID: <4ef3d268.c461e00a.603a.ffffeb5d@mx.google.com> Oh, wow! That's great! So I can now fight Google and Facebook and Twitter? :) Do you have the documentation? Thanks for sharing this! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: I sure hope not! Has the Federation done anything with access to Kaptchas? I haven't heard of anything about Kaptchas from the Federation outside of this and other lists, which surprises me. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Donahue" wrote: What? So we can't download it now? Any other captcha services for IE? Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester I'll check that out, thanks! Also, if you're ever on Wikipedia and want to look it up, look up National Federation of the Blind. Interesting what they say about us. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester References: <4ef3d268.c461e00a.603a.ffffeb5d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Here's what you can research. "The Department of Justice rules that the Americans with Disabilities Act now applies to Websites." Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Oh, wow! That's great! So I can now fight Google and Facebook and > Twitter? :) Do you have the documentation? Thanks for sharing > this! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 18:25:42 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. > > Chris, I have some information for you. > The Department of Justice ruled, that companies were > discriminating > against the blind, if they used inaccessible captchas, so you can > fight companies that use them, because according to the DOJ, > they're > violating the ADA. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/19/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > I sure hope not! Has the Federation done anything with access to > Kaptchas? I haven't heard of anything about Kaptchas from the > Federation outside of this and other lists, which surprises me. > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the > Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired > youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Donahue" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:22:51 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. > > Good evening again everyone, > > I saw this coming years ago and am glad I never relied on > Salona to > solve captchas. Will WebVism be next? > > Peter Donahue > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:04 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. > > > Is that app available for the iPod Touch? > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the > Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired > youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jedi To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 15:33:49 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. > > I've taken a picture of the captcha and sent it to VizWiz using > my iPhone. > > Respectfully, > Jedi > > > Original message: > Nope. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/18/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > What? So we can't download it now? Any other captcha services > for > IE? > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. > The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the > Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired > youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 06:14:38 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] Solona no longer exists. > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Humberto, Solona no longer exists. > The owner fell ill, and discontinued the service. > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi > %40samobile.net > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. > Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pdonahue2%40s > atx.rr.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dandrews at visi.com Fri Dec 23 01:43:54 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:43:54 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Using BlackBoard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Possibly, it might, but there again the browser and version thereof might also make a difference, and JAWS might identify some things NVDA might not. There is no perfect answer or solution at this time. For some the answer is to use multiple screen readers and/or multiple browsers, and others don't have the patience, money and/or technical know-how to do this. Dave \At 06:27 PM 12/22/2011, you wrote: >I've heard alot about NVDA. >Would it identify some things, that Jaws doesn't identify? >Thanks, Joshua > >On 12/22/11, David Andrews wrote: > > Well, it could mean a number of things, like there are no links, or > > they are using something where JAWS can't identify them. who knows. > > > > Dave > > > > At 06:05 PM 12/22/2011, you wrote: > >>I have Jaws 10.0, which is another problem, now that you mentioned > >>screenreaders. > >>Here's my problem. > >>I can get Blackboard to come up, to where I log in. > >>After I log in, it says, "Page has no Links." > >>What's the deal? > >>I have no clue as to which version of Blackboard they use, at my college. > >>I'll E-mail my tech support guy, and ask him. > >>Blessings, Joshua > >> > >>On 12/22/11, David Andrews wrote: > >> > There has been some discussion of BlackBoard here, and the possible > >> > need to move from Vista to Windows 7. First let me say that for the > >> > most part, the operating system shouldn't matter, unless it doesn't > >> > support a browser and version of that browser you want to run. > >> > > >> > Different people are saying that this works for me, or this doesn't > >> > etc. I am sure that this is true. However, I would caution anybody > >> > on making sweeping generalizations or conclusions on partial > >> > information. > >> > > >> > There are various versions of Black Board out there, some more > >> > accessible than others. Accessibility may also depend on how it is > >> > set up, how it is configured, and what specific features are being > >> > used. Further the browser employed to access it, version of that > >> > browser, screen reader, and version of that screen reader may all > >> > matter. > >> > > >> > This stuff is complicated and there are lots of variables. In > >> > general it is generally best to run a recent version of a widely used > >> > browser, Internet explorer or Firefox for example, which also means > >> > running a relatively recent screen reader. New technologies are used > >> > on the web, and in applications all the time, and more recent > >> > assistive technology generally handles them better. > >> > > >> > Many sites have started phasing out Internet Explorer 6 support, so > >> > if you are still running it, it is probably time to think seriously > >> > about updating. > >> > > >> > David Andrews From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 02:11:17 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:11:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow Message-ID: <4ef3e357.056ae00a.51b3.2404@mx.google.com> Judging from his prior postings about this DSB, I think that's his Disability Services Office, which a lot of colleges would refer to as the DSO office, but apparently his college refers to it as DSB. I don't know what the acronym stands for, though. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" Wow! Wonder what kind of stupid misconceptions about blindness she has! Keep us posted on this meeting; I have a feeling that this will be very interesting. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: do you mean your rehab counselor through vr? -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 11:43 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow Hi, it's Joshua Lester. Well, as the subject line says, I have a meeting with this new DSB counselor, tomorrow at 11. This is my first time meeting her in person. I've talked to her over the phone, and couldn't stand her. She asked questions, about stuff that was of no concern to her, the first time she called, which put her in bad standing with me. I want my old councelor back! Let's hope she's able to get my books in Braille, and hopefully I can talk them into buying me a Pac Mate. Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 02:11:25 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:11:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! Message-ID: <4ef3e360.056ae00a.51b3.240c@mx.google.com> Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn about this woman; she's not organized! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester Wow! I'll have to get Firefox! I only use Internet Explorer right now, but I've heard Firefox is very reliable, so I might switch. But I'm definitely not going to Google Chrome! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Humberto Avila" References: <4ef3e357.056ae00a.51b3.2404@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Chris, this is the Division of Services for the Blind, from the Department of Social Services. They have replaced Vocational Rehab, in my state. Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Judging from his prior postings about this DSB, I think that's > his Disability Services Office, which a lot of colleges would > refer to as the DSO office, but apparently his college refers to > it as DSB. I don't know what the acronym stands for, though. > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:52:29 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow > > do you mean your rehab counselor through vr? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 11:43 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Well, as the subject line says, I have a meeting with this new > DSB > counselor, tomorrow at 11. > This is my first time meeting her in person. > I've talked to her over the phone, and couldn't stand her. > She asked questions, about stuff that was of no concern to her, > the > first time she called, which put her in bad standing with me. > I want my old councelor back! > Let's hope she's able to get my books in Braille, and hopefully I > can > talk them into buying me a Pac Mate. > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 02:11:42 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:11:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] fw: seeking applicants for the Main Menu team Message-ID: <4ef3e370.056ae00a.51b3.2419@mx.google.com> This may be a good opportunity for some of our tech experts! Main Menu is a great show, and any of you who have listened to it know how informative it is. I'm sure some of you would be a great addition to their team! Please see the below message from their executive producer, Chase Crispin for more information. Chris ---- Original Message ------ From: "Chase Crispin" From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Dec 23 02:15:38 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:15:38 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: <4ef3e360.056ae00a.51b3.240c@mx.google.com> References: <4ef3e360.056ae00a.51b3.240c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: All of the DSB people have been this way. I'm tired of dealing with them! Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn about this woman; > she's not organized! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:19:02 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I'm tired of these slow DSB people! > I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she > didn't show up! > She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to > the > campus, 30 miles away. > She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she > never > thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. > The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling > our > cell phone, she called our home phone. > She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. > She was supposed to meet us at the student center. > She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. > Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that > she > needed to meet with. > On another note, I have my Spring schedule. > I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will > keep > me out of church. > This has been a bad day! > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 02:24:14 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:24:14 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow In-Reply-To: <4ef3e357.056ae00a.51b3.2404@mx.google.com> References: <4ef3e357.056ae00a.51b3.2404@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Oh no. he is talking about his department of services for the Blind (DSB) in his state, which is his rehab agency. DSB is not his office of disabilities in his college. He was meeting with his counselor at his college, by his DSO office, but the councelor was his Rehab counselor from his Department of Services for the Blind (DSB) state agency. Any more confusions? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 6:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow Judging from his prior postings about this DSB, I think that's his Disability Services Office, which a lot of colleges would refer to as the DSO office, but apparently his college refers to it as DSB. I don't know what the acronym stands for, though. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" References: <4ef3e35b.056ae00a.51b3.2409@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Chris, the meeting never happened. Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Wow! Wonder what kind of stupid misconceptions about blindness > she has! Keep us posted on this meeting; I have a feeling that > this will be very interesting. > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 07:40:19 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow > > This is the Division of Services for the Blind, in Pine Bluff, > Arkansas, headquartered in Little Rock. > That's our rehab. > She asked me, the first time she called me, if I had any doctor's > appointments, in the last week. > I put my mom on the phone, because I was offended that she would > ask > something that was none of her business! > Then, I found out, she asked my mom if I had seen an optomotrist, > to > prove that I was blind. > How dumb can someone be? > She knew I had Optic Nerve Hypoplasia, if she would have looked > at the file! > Now, I'm afraid of what she will ask me, in person! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/19/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > do you mean your rehab counselor through vr? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 11:43 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > Well, as the subject line says, I have a meeting with this new > DSB > counselor, tomorrow at 11. > This is my first time meeting her in person. > I've talked to her over the phone, and couldn't stand her. > She asked questions, about stuff that was of no concern to her, > the > first time she called, which put her in bad standing with me. > I want my old councelor back! > Let's hope she's able to get my books in Braille, and hopefully > I can > talk them into buying me a Pac Mate. > Thanks, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 02:34:13 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:34:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: <58BEE68F78B541B4B40620CE5802508D@Gloria> References: <58BEE68F78B541B4B40620CE5802508D@Gloria> Message-ID: <55AE8251FB5A4C15A9EE3002B0E2406C@Cptr233> And I have used Blackboard on IE 7 and now with 8. Marsha -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria G Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 5:39 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! Hi, I am using internet explore six I believe it is and it works fine with blackboard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jacobson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > Joshua, > > Are you sure that Blackboard requires Internet Explorer 9? > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:03:48 -0600, Joshua Lester wrote: > >>I've discussedBlackboard on here before. >>I just hate that I have to spend more money to update my Internet >>Explorer. >>Blessings, Joshua > >>On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>> Hello Josh, >>> I'm sorry that I have to inform you that I don't, and haven't, used >>> blackboard so far. I don't know anything about its accessibility >>> features or >>> how inaccessible it is. You may want to search for "Blackboard" on this >>> list's archive, for previous posts concerning blackboard, located at >>> http://www.nfbNet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbNet.org. If that link >>> doesn't work try http://www.nfbNet.org/, and click on this lists >>> archive. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>> Of Joshua Lester >>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:30 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>> >>> I explained that to her. >>> Humberto, what do you know about Blackboard, and why it won't work for >>> me. >>> Thanks, Joshua >>> >>> On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>> IE stands for Internet explorer. It is Microsoft's own browser. It is >>> built >>>> into windows by default. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>> Behalf >>>> Of Gloria G >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:55 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>> >>>> Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it and >>>> I >>>> use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could help >>> that >>>> >>>> would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the >>>> most >>>> part, but any additions of course can be helpful. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>> >>>> >>>>> I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order to >>>>> access Blackboard, from home. >>>>> Our school uses it, and I like it. >>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>> Joshua, >>>>>> blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll >>>>>> be >>>>>> okay. >>>>>> Press H for getting to major headings. >>>>>> If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor >>>>>> to >>>>>> send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain >>>>>> text >>>>>> then. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>> >>>>>> They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on >>>>>> this online class would be appreciated. >>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>>> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. >>>>>>> Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning >>>>>>> Rehab. >>>>>>> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>>>>>> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>>>>>> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>>>>>> classes are inaccessible. >>>>>>> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>>>>>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >>>>>>>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >>>>>>>> being blind, so just go to class! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>>>>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>>>>>>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>>>>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, >>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say >>>>>>>>>> she'd >>> do >>>>>>>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>>>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>>>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least >>>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every >>>>>>>>>> day). >>>>>>>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>>>>>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, >>>>>>>>>> Wednedsday, >>>>>>>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for >>>>>>>>>> priority >>>>>>>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable >>>>>>>>>> schedules >>>>>>>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>>>>>> Jewel >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but >>>>>>>>>>> she >>>>>>>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>>>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she >>>>>>>>>>> never >>>>>>>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of >>>>>>>>>>> calling >>>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that >>>>>>>>>>> she >>>>>>>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>>>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will >>> keep >>>>>>>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>>>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>>>>> info >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co >>>> m >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list 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your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6735 (20111222) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6735 (20111222) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 02:36:26 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:36:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: BISM Job Postings Message-ID: <4ef3e93c.0849e00a.4172.ffffa4c8@mx.google.com> You live in Colorado, right? Well, if you got the job, that would be cool... you'd get to move to MD! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Sabo" cdavis at bism.org. If you should have any questions about BISM our CORE departments growth or the three jobs we are looking to fill please do not hesitate to call me at 410-737-2638 or 888-322-4567. Please feel free to share this email with anyone you know that would be a good addition to the BISM Team. Sincerely, Christina Christina T. Davis Senior Director Blind Industries & Services of Maryland 3345 Washington Boulevard Baltimore, MD 21227 410-737-2638 or 888-322-4567 cdavis at bism.org www.bism.org "BISM positively changes people's attitudes about blindness" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 02:36:33 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:36:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! Message-ID: <4ef3e944.0849e00a.4172.ffffa4d4@mx.google.com> Hi Gloria, IE is an abbreviation for Internet Explorer, the Internet browser that comes with Windows. Joshua, which version of Windows are you running? If you're running XP, then you probably have IE 8, which I think works with Blackboard. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" wrote: Joshua, blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll be okay. Press H for getting to major headings. If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor to send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain text then. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on this online class would be appreciated. Thanks, Joshua On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online classes are inaccessible. Has anyone had experiences with online classes? Thanks, Joshua On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you being blind, so just go to class! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. This is the only time the class is offered. Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. Blessings, Joshua On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to do your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least every other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable schedules that fit yhour needs that way. Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, Jewel On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: Hi, it's Joshua Lester. I'm tired of these slow DSB people! I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she didn't show up! She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the campus, 30 miles away. She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling our cell phone, she called our home phone. She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. She was supposed to meet us at the student center. She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she needed to meet with. On another note, I have my Spring schedule. I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep me out of church. This has been a bad day! Blessings, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra% 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 02:36:36 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:36:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! Message-ID: <4ef3e946.0849e00a.4172.ffffa4d7@mx.google.com> Oh! That OS (operating system) is just plain confusing! Yeah, download Windows 7! I chose to go right from XP to 7, skipping Vista, for that reason; everybody who had Vista that I know said it was so confusing. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: I am not sure why you can't get an updated IE, and why you need Windows 7; doesn't it work with Vista or XP? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it and I use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could help that would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the most part, but any additions of course can be helpful. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" wrote: Joshua, blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll be okay. Press H for getting to major headings. If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor to send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain text then. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on this online class would be appreciated. Thanks, Joshua On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online classes are inaccessible. Has anyone had experiences with online classes? Thanks, Joshua On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you being blind, so just go to class! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. This is the only time the class is offered. Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. Blessings, Joshua On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to do your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least every other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable schedules that fit yhour needs that way. Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, Jewel On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: Hi, it's Joshua Lester. I'm tired of these slow DSB people! I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she didn't show up! She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to the campus, 30 miles away. She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling our cell phone, she called our home phone. She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. She was supposed to meet us at the student center. She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she needed to meet with. On another note, I have my Spring schedule. I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will keep me out of church. This has been a bad day! Blessings, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra% 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From marsha.drenth at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 02:40:13 2011 From: marsha.drenth at gmail.com (Marsha Drenth) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:40:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: References: <58BEE68F78B541B4B40620CE5802508D@Gloria> Message-ID: <1D53CA0762C14113B9E3495E5697D5AD@Cptr233> I do not think that having Vista, XP, or 7, will make any difference if a website tool, as Blackboard will work or not. Instead of assuming, why don't you try. Ask your community college to give you a log into Blackboard, so that you can try it ahead of time. I am assuming that your classes don't start until Mid January, get the log information at the beginning of January. So that by the time classes start, you will be familiar with it. If you get the log in info before hand, and if it doesn't work with Vista and whatever version of IE you have, then up grade. Try it first before spending all that money. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 5:44 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! It may not work with Windows Vista though. Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Gloria G wrote: > Hi, > I am using internet explore six I believe it is and it works fine with > blackboard > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Jacobson" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > >> Joshua, >> >> Are you sure that Blackboard requires Internet Explorer 9? >> >> Best regards, >> >> Steve Jacobson >> >> On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:03:48 -0600, Joshua Lester wrote: >> >>>I've discussedBlackboard on here before. >>>I just hate that I have to spend more money to update my Internet >>>Explorer. >>>Blessings, Joshua >> >>>On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>> Hello Josh, >>>> I'm sorry that I have to inform you that I don't, and haven't, used >>>> blackboard so far. I don't know anything about its accessibility >>>> features or >>>> how inaccessible it is. You may want to search for "Blackboard" on this >>>> list's archive, for previous posts concerning blackboard, located at >>>> http://www.nfbNet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbNet.org. If that link >>>> doesn't work try http://www.nfbNet.org/, and click on this lists >>>> archive. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:30 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>> >>>> I explained that to her. >>>> Humberto, what do you know about Blackboard, and why it won't work for >>>> me. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>>> IE stands for Internet explorer. It is Microsoft's own browser. It is >>>> built >>>>> into windows by default. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:55 AM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>> >>>>> Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it and >>>>> >>>>> I >>>>> use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could help >>>> that >>>>> >>>>> would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the >>>>> most >>>>> part, but any additions of course can be helpful. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order to >>>>>> access Blackboard, from home. >>>>>> Our school uses it, and I like it. >>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>>> Joshua, >>>>>>> blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> okay. >>>>>>> Press H for getting to major headings. >>>>>>> If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor >>>>>>> >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain >>>>>>> text >>>>>>> then. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on >>>>>>> this online class would be appreciated. >>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>>>> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. >>>>>>>> Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning >>>>>>>> Rehab. >>>>>>>> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>>>>>>> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>>>>>>> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>>>>>>> classes are inaccessible. >>>>>>>> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>>>>>>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >>>>>>>>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >>>>>>>>> being blind, so just go to class! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>>>>>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>>>>>>>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>>>>>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, >>>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say >>>>>>>>>>> she'd >>>> do >>>>>>>>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>>>>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>>>>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least >>>>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every >>>>>>>>>>> day). >>>>>>>>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>>>>>>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, >>>>>>>>>>> Wednedsday, >>>>>>>>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for >>>>>>>>>>> priority >>>>>>>>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable >>>>>>>>>>> schedules >>>>>>>>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>>>>>>> Jewel >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>>>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but >>>>>>>>>>>> she >>>>>>>>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>>>>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>>>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she >>>>>>>>>>>> never >>>>>>>>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>>>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of >>>>>>>>>>>> calling >>>>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>>>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>>>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>>>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that >>>>>>>>>>>> she >>>>>>>>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>>>>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>>>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will >>>> keep >>>>>>>>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>>>>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>>>>>> info >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co >>>>> m >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marsha.drenth%40gmail.co m __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6735 (20111222) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6735 (20111222) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Dec 23 02:46:28 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:46:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: References: <-1017517866780026276@unknownmsgid><9DABE82C563C4A3EAD0D50082C618E0F@OwnerPC><122F36E659A144988A6A302B77A93010@Gloria> Message-ID: <52C695B7D06A4E269C37F64F221FF6EB@OwnerPC> Joshua, Unless your internet browser is real old, you shouldn't have to update. I'd check into that with an official source before you do so. Blackboard should work with IE 8. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 5:03 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! I've discussedBlackboard on here before. I just hate that I have to spend more money to update my Internet Explorer. Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: > Hello Josh, > I'm sorry that I have to inform you that I don't, and haven't, used > blackboard so far. I don't know anything about its accessibility features > or > how inaccessible it is. You may want to search for "Blackboard" on this > list's archive, for previous posts concerning blackboard, located at > http://www.nfbNet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbNet.org. If that link > doesn't work try http://www.nfbNet.org/, and click on this lists archive. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:30 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > I explained that to her. > Humberto, what do you know about Blackboard, and why it won't work for me. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >> IE stands for Internet explorer. It is Microsoft's own browser. It is > built >> into windows by default. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf >> Of Gloria G >> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:55 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it and I >> use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could help > that >> >> would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the most >> part, but any additions of course can be helpful. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Joshua Lester" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> >>> I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order to >>> access Blackboard, from home. >>> Our school uses it, and I like it. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> Joshua, >>>> blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll be >>>> okay. >>>> Press H for getting to major headings. >>>> If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor >>>> to >>>> send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain text >>>> then. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>> >>>> They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on >>>> this online class would be appreciated. >>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>> >>>> On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. >>>>> Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>> >>>>> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. >>>>> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>>>> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>>>> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>>>> classes are inaccessible. >>>>> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>>>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >>>>>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >>>>>> being blind, so just go to class! >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>>>>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, >>>>>>> now. >>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd > do >>>>>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to >>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I >>>>>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least >>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). >>>>>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>>>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, >>>>>>>> Wednedsday, >>>>>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for >>>>>>>> priority >>>>>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable >>>>>>>> schedules >>>>>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>>>> Jewel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>>>>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she never >>>>>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling >>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that she >>>>>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will > keep >>>>>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co >> m >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for 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_______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p >> ccua.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.p > ccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Dec 23 02:49:40 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:49:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: <5E4669C7-5925-4D35-B5DA-D25704B845E0@gmail.com> References: <58BEE68F78B541B4B40620CE5802508D@Gloria> <5E4669C7-5925-4D35-B5DA-D25704B845E0@gmail.com> Message-ID: I agree. Joshua, whether using windows 7, vista, or whatever, the operating system shouldn't matter. Blackboard works fine for those students I know using xp and vista. Why don't you call tech support or get a computer savvy friend to help you figure out the problem. They can see the screen and see what is happening and if the Blackboard page is fully loaded and if there's error messages. -----Original Message----- From: Jewel Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 6:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! I really don't think your problems with Blackboard have anything to do with Vista. I checked witha friend who has it and he uses Blackboard just fine. I am not sure what is causing the problem, but I wouldn't upgrade to 7 for that reason alone Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > It may not work with Windows Vista though. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Gloria G wrote: >> Hi, >> I am using internet explore six I believe it is and it works fine with >> blackboard >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve Jacobson" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> >>> Joshua, >>> >>> Are you sure that Blackboard requires Internet Explorer 9? >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Steve Jacobson >>> >>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:03:48 -0600, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> >>>> I've discussedBlackboard on here before. >>>> I just hate that I have to spend more money to update my Internet >>>> Explorer. >>>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>>> On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>>> Hello Josh, >>>>> I'm sorry that I have to inform you that I don't, and haven't, used >>>>> blackboard so far. I don't know anything about its accessibility >>>>> features or >>>>> how inaccessible it is. You may want to search for "Blackboard" on >>>>> this >>>>> list's archive, for previous posts concerning blackboard, located at >>>>> http://www.nfbNet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbNet.org. If that >>>>> link >>>>> doesn't work try http://www.nfbNet.org/, and click on this lists >>>>> archive. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:30 AM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>> >>>>> I explained that to her. >>>>> Humberto, what do you know about Blackboard, and why it won't work for >>>>> me. >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>>>> IE stands for Internet explorer. It is Microsoft's own browser. It is >>>>> built >>>>>> into windows by default. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:55 AM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it >>>>>> and >>>>>> >>>>>> I >>>>>> use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could >>>>>> help >>>>> that >>>>>> >>>>>> would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the >>>>>> most >>>>>> part, but any additions of course can be helpful. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> access Blackboard, from home. >>>>>>> Our school uses it, and I like it. >>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>>>> Joshua, >>>>>>>> blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> okay. >>>>>>>> Press H for getting to major headings. >>>>>>>> If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your >>>>>>>> professor >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain >>>>>>>> text >>>>>>>> then. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> this online class would be appreciated. >>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>>>>> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm >>>>>>>>> sure. >>>>>>>>> Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning >>>>>>>>> Rehab. >>>>>>>>> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>>>>>>>> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>>>>>>>> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>>>>>>>> classes are inaccessible. >>>>>>>>> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> being blind, so just go to class! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>>>>>>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority >>>>>>>>>>> registration. >>>>>>>>>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>>>>>>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, >>>>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say >>>>>>>>>>>> she'd >>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until >>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>>>>>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>>>>>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, >>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at >>>>>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every >>>>>>>>>>>> day). >>>>>>>>>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. >>>>>>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>>>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, >>>>>>>>>>>> Wednedsday, >>>>>>>>>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for >>>>>>>>>>>> priority >>>>>>>>>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable >>>>>>>>>>>> schedules >>>>>>>>>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>>>>>>>> Jewel >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>>>>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but >>>>>>>>>>>>> she >>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>>>>>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went >>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>>>>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she >>>>>>>>>>>>> never >>>>>>>>>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of >>>>>>>>>>>>> calling >>>>>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>>>>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>>>>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>>>>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that >>>>>>>>>>>>> she >>>>>>>>>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>>>>>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich >>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>> keep >>>>>>>>>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>>>>>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>>>>>>> info >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> 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>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Dec 23 02:52:14 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:52:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Using BlackBoard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <28317141A3914608AB5F2E82588B1967@OwnerPC> Joshua, Jaws 10 should work with blackboard but you may have a few more access issues. I used jaws 10 not too long ago with blackboard. So its probably not jaws. It’s the computer or blackboard. Get some help to trouble shoot the issue. I recommend you refresh the page with f 5. Sometimes Blackboard loads telling me no links and refreshing works. Another idea is to just exit out and try logging in again. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 7:05 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using BlackBoard I have Jaws 10.0, which is another problem, now that you mentioned screenreaders. Here's my problem. I can get Blackboard to come up, to where I log in. After I log in, it says, "Page has no Links." What's the deal? I have no clue as to which version of Blackboard they use, at my college. I'll E-mail my tech support guy, and ask him. Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, David Andrews wrote: > There has been some discussion of BlackBoard here, and the possible > need to move from Vista to Windows 7. First let me say that for the > most part, the operating system shouldn't matter, unless it doesn't > support a browser and version of that browser you want to run. > > Different people are saying that this works for me, or this doesn't > etc. I am sure that this is true. However, I would caution anybody > on making sweeping generalizations or conclusions on partial information. > > There are various versions of Black Board out there, some more > accessible than others. Accessibility may also depend on how it is > set up, how it is configured, and what specific features are being > used. Further the browser employed to access it, version of that > browser, screen reader, and version of that screen reader may all matter. > > This stuff is complicated and there are lots of variables. In > general it is generally best to run a recent version of a widely used > browser, Internet explorer or Firefox for example, which also means > running a relatively recent screen reader. New technologies are used > on the web, and in applications all the time, and more recent > assistive technology generally handles them better. > > Many sites have started phasing out Internet Explorer 6 support, so > if you are still running it, it is probably time to think seriously > about updating. > > David Andrews > > \ > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Dec 23 02:58:30 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:58:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: References: <4ef3e360.056ae00a.51b3.240c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8E26F75C0FF547FFBD442271FF254BEF@OwnerPC> Joshua, I'm confused. You met at your college or were supposed to. But is this counselor your disability counselor from school or the state agency? If you mean the vr agency, I sympathize with you because I don't get much from my counselor either. All of them are horrible about communication. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! All of the DSB people have been this way. I'm tired of dealing with them! Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn about this woman; > she's not organized! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:19:02 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I'm tired of these slow DSB people! > I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she > didn't show up! > She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to > the > campus, 30 miles away. > She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she > never > thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. > The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling > our > cell phone, she called our home phone. > She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. > She was supposed to meet us at the student center. > She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. > Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that > she > needed to meet with. > On another note, I have my Spring schedule. > I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will > keep > me out of church. > This has been a bad day! > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Dec 23 02:58:26 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:58:26 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Using BlackBoard In-Reply-To: <28317141A3914608AB5F2E82588B1967@OwnerPC> References: <28317141A3914608AB5F2E82588B1967@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Thanks for the information. Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Joshua, > Jaws 10 should work with blackboard but you may have a few more access > issues. I used jaws 10 not too long ago with blackboard. > So its probably not jaws. It’s the computer or blackboard. Get some help > to trouble shoot the issue. > I recommend you refresh the page with f 5. Sometimes Blackboard loads > telling me no links and refreshing works. Another idea is to just exit out > and try logging in again. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 7:05 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using BlackBoard > > I have Jaws 10.0, which is another problem, now that you mentioned > screenreaders. > Here's my problem. > I can get Blackboard to come up, to where I log in. > After I log in, it says, "Page has no Links." > What's the deal? > I have no clue as to which version of Blackboard they use, at my college. > I'll E-mail my tech support guy, and ask him. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, David Andrews wrote: >> There has been some discussion of BlackBoard here, and the possible >> need to move from Vista to Windows 7. First let me say that for the >> most part, the operating system shouldn't matter, unless it doesn't >> support a browser and version of that browser you want to run. >> >> Different people are saying that this works for me, or this doesn't >> etc. I am sure that this is true. However, I would caution anybody >> on making sweeping generalizations or conclusions on partial information. >> >> There are various versions of Black Board out there, some more >> accessible than others. Accessibility may also depend on how it is >> set up, how it is configured, and what specific features are being >> used. Further the browser employed to access it, version of that >> browser, screen reader, and version of that screen reader may all matter. >> >> This stuff is complicated and there are lots of variables. In >> general it is generally best to run a recent version of a widely used >> browser, Internet explorer or Firefox for example, which also means >> running a relatively recent screen reader. New technologies are used >> on the web, and in applications all the time, and more recent >> assistive technology generally handles them better. >> >> Many sites have started phasing out Internet Explorer 6 support, so >> if you are still running it, it is probably time to think seriously >> about updating. >> >> David Andrews >> >> \ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Dec 23 03:06:24 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:06:24 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: <8E26F75C0FF547FFBD442271FF254BEF@OwnerPC> References: <4ef3e360.056ae00a.51b3.240c@mx.google.com> <8E26F75C0FF547FFBD442271FF254BEF@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I didn't have issues with VR, because I didn't use them much. I only used the Division of Services for the Blind, from the Department of Social Services. The VR Counselor retired, and now we don't have VR in my state. The Department of Services for the Blind, (of the DSS,) is very slow in getting the adequate help that I need. They won't even supply the things I need in class. These are the people I've been complaining about on this list, for months! Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Joshua, > I'm confused. You met at your college or were supposed to. But is this > counselor your disability counselor from school or the state agency? > If you mean the vr agency, I sympathize with you because I don't get much > from my counselor either. All of them are horrible about communication. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > All of the DSB people have been this way. > I'm tired of dealing with them! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn about this woman; >> she's not organized! >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, >> 1968-1986 >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth >> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing >> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions >> which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more >> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit >> us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:19:02 -0600 >> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >> didn't show up! >> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to >> the >> campus, 30 miles away. >> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she >> never >> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling >> our >> cell phone, she called our home phone. >> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that >> she >> needed to meet with. >> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will >> keep >> me out of church. >> This has been a bad day! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Dec 23 03:30:47 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:30:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: References: <4ef3e360.056ae00a.51b3.240c@mx.google.com><8E26F75C0FF547FFBD442271FF254BEF@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <05E6A04C909B40008EA3863463815016@OwnerPC> so DSB is part of your colleges's DSS then. They can be slow. Just stay on them and advocate -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:06 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! I didn't have issues with VR, because I didn't use them much. I only used the Division of Services for the Blind, from the Department of Social Services. The VR Counselor retired, and now we don't have VR in my state. The Department of Services for the Blind, (of the DSS,) is very slow in getting the adequate help that I need. They won't even supply the things I need in class. These are the people I've been complaining about on this list, for months! Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Joshua, > I'm confused. You met at your college or were supposed to. But is this > counselor your disability counselor from school or the state agency? > If you mean the vr agency, I sympathize with you because I don't get much > from my counselor either. All of them are horrible about communication. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > All of the DSB people have been this way. > I'm tired of dealing with them! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn about this woman; >> she's not organized! >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, >> 1968-1986 >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth >> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing >> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions >> which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more >> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit >> us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:19:02 -0600 >> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >> didn't show up! >> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to >> the >> campus, 30 miles away. >> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she >> never >> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling >> our >> cell phone, she called our home phone. >> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that >> she >> needed to meet with. >> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will >> keep >> me out of church. >> This has been a bad day! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Fri Dec 23 04:06:32 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:06:32 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: <05E6A04C909B40008EA3863463815016@OwnerPC> References: <4ef3e360.056ae00a.51b3.240c@mx.google.com> <8E26F75C0FF547FFBD442271FF254BEF@OwnerPC> <05E6A04C909B40008EA3863463815016@OwnerPC> Message-ID: They're part of the state. I will say this, since you brought up Vocational Rehab. When I still had them, they were the ones that forced me to attend LWSB. I wonder what the DSB would think about funding me, if I wanted to go to LCB. Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > so DSB is part of your colleges's DSS then. They can be slow. Just stay on > them and advocate > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:06 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > I didn't have issues with VR, because I didn't use them much. > I only used the Division of Services for the Blind, from the > Department of Social Services. > The VR Counselor retired, and now we don't have VR in my state. > The Department of Services for the Blind, (of the DSS,) is very slow > in getting the adequate help that I need. > They won't even supply the things I need in class. > These are the people I've been complaining about on this list, for months! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Joshua, >> I'm confused. You met at your college or were supposed to. But is this >> counselor your disability counselor from school or the state agency? >> If you mean the vr agency, I sympathize with you because I don't get much >> from my counselor either. All of them are horrible about communication. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Joshua Lester >> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:15 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> All of the DSB people have been this way. >> I'm tired of dealing with them! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn about this woman; >>> she's not organized! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, >>> 1968-1986 >>> >>> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth >>> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing >>> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions >>> which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more >>> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit >>> us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:19:02 -0600 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>> didn't show up! >>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to >>> the >>> campus, 30 miles away. >>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she >>> never >>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling >>> our >>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that >>> she >>> needed to meet with. >>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will >>> keep >>> me out of church. >>> This has been a bad day! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From steve.jacobson at visi.com Fri Dec 23 14:13:36 2011 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:13:36 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If you have Vista, you probably have IE 7 or 8 and can at least upgrade to 8. It might be worth determining if Blackboard works with what you have. There are both good things and also some issues with ie 9, so I am just not sure that is the magic answer you think it is. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:43:38 -0600, Joshua Lester wrote: >It may not work with Windows Vista though. >Blessings, Joshua >On 12/22/11, Gloria G wrote: >> Hi, >> I am using internet explore six I believe it is and it works fine with >> blackboard >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve Jacobson" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:31 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> >>> Joshua, >>> >>> Are you sure that Blackboard requires Internet Explorer 9? >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Steve Jacobson >>> >>> On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:03:48 -0600, Joshua Lester wrote: >>> >>>>I've discussedBlackboard on here before. >>>>I just hate that I have to spend more money to update my Internet >>>>Explorer. >>>>Blessings, Joshua >>> >>>>On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>>> Hello Josh, >>>>> I'm sorry that I have to inform you that I don't, and haven't, used >>>>> blackboard so far. I don't know anything about its accessibility >>>>> features or >>>>> how inaccessible it is. You may want to search for "Blackboard" on this >>>>> list's archive, for previous posts concerning blackboard, located at >>>>> http://www.nfbNet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbNet.org. If that link >>>>> doesn't work try http://www.nfbNet.org/, and click on this lists >>>>> archive. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>> Of Joshua Lester >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:30 AM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>> >>>>> I explained that to her. >>>>> Humberto, what do you know about Blackboard, and why it won't work for >>>>> me. >>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>> >>>>> On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: >>>>>> IE stands for Internet explorer. It is Microsoft's own browser. It is >>>>> built >>>>>> into windows by default. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >>>>> Behalf >>>>>> Of Gloria G >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:55 AM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it and >>>>>> >>>>>> I >>>>>> use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could help >>>>> that >>>>>> >>>>>> would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the >>>>>> most >>>>>> part, but any additions of course can be helpful. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Joshua Lester" >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in order to >>>>>>> access Blackboard, from home. >>>>>>> Our school uses it, and I like it. >>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>>>> Joshua, >>>>>>>> blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> okay. >>>>>>>> Press H for getting to major headings. >>>>>>>> If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain >>>>>>>> text >>>>>>>> then. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM >>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on >>>>>>>> this online class would be appreciated. >>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>>>>>> don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. >>>>>>>>> Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM >>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning >>>>>>>>> Rehab. >>>>>>>>> These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. >>>>>>>>> The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. >>>>>>>>> I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online >>>>>>>>> classes are inaccessible. >>>>>>>>> Has anyone had experiences with online classes? >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Joshua >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a >>>>>>>>>> time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you >>>>>>>>>> being blind, so just go to class! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. >>>>>>>>>>> We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. >>>>>>>>>>> This is the only time the class is offered. >>>>>>>>>>> Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, >>>>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say >>>>>>>>>>>> she'd >>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>> to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>> your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have >>>>>>>>>>>> apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next >>>>>>>>>>>> semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as >>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least >>>>>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>>>> other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every >>>>>>>>>>>> day). >>>>>>>>>>>> This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This >>>>>>>>>>>> coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, >>>>>>>>>>>> Wednedsday, >>>>>>>>>>>> Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for >>>>>>>>>>>> priority >>>>>>>>>>>> registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable >>>>>>>>>>>> schedules >>>>>>>>>>>> that fit yhour needs that way. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, >>>>>>>>>>>> Jewel >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>>>>>>>>>>>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but >>>>>>>>>>>>> she >>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't show up! >>>>>>>>>>>>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to >>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> campus, 30 miles away. >>>>>>>>>>>>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she >>>>>>>>>>>>> never >>>>>>>>>>>>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of >>>>>>>>>>>>> calling >>>>>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>>>>>>>>>>>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>>>>>>>>>>>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>>>>>>>>>>>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that >>>>>>>>>>>>> she >>>>>>>>>>>>> needed to meet with. >>>>>>>>>>>>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will >>>>> keep >>>>>>>>>>>>> me out of church. >>>>>>>>>>>>> This has been a bad day! >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blessings, Joshua >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>>>>>>> info >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.co >>>>>> m >>>>>>>>>>>>> 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>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Fri Dec 23 14:25:23 2011 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:25:23 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Using BlackBoard In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Joshua, It also appears from what I read that IE 9 is supposed to work with Vista if it turns out you really need it. However, I think I would be suspicious of your version of JFW. Download the latest demo and try it to see if it works with your existing configuration and blackboard. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:05:49 -0600, Joshua Lester wrote: >I have Jaws 10.0, which is another problem, now that you mentioned >screenreaders. >Here's my problem. >I can get Blackboard to come up, to where I log in. >After I log in, it says, "Page has no Links." >What's the deal? >I have no clue as to which version of Blackboard they use, at my college. >I'll E-mail my tech support guy, and ask him. >Blessings, Joshua >On 12/22/11, David Andrews wrote: >> There has been some discussion of BlackBoard here, and the possible >> need to move from Vista to Windows 7. First let me say that for the >> most part, the operating system shouldn't matter, unless it doesn't >> support a browser and version of that browser you want to run. >> >> Different people are saying that this works for me, or this doesn't >> etc. I am sure that this is true. However, I would caution anybody >> on making sweeping generalizations or conclusions on partial information. >> >> There are various versions of Black Board out there, some more >> accessible than others. Accessibility may also depend on how it is >> set up, how it is configured, and what specific features are being >> used. Further the browser employed to access it, version of that >> browser, screen reader, and version of that screen reader may all matter. >> >> This stuff is complicated and there are lots of variables. In >> general it is generally best to run a recent version of a widely used >> browser, Internet explorer or Firefox for example, which also means >> running a relatively recent screen reader. New technologies are used >> on the web, and in applications all the time, and more recent >> assistive technology generally handles them better. >> >> Many sites have started phasing out Internet Explorer 6 support, so >> if you are still running it, it is probably time to think seriously >> about updating. >> >> David Andrews >> >> \ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 23:01:34 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 18:01:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! Message-ID: <4ef50861.49cee00a.5fbd.ffffa579@mx.google.com> What IE version comes with Vista? If Gloria uses Blackboard with IE 6, which I believe is a version for Windows XP, it should work with Vista. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Hi, I am using internet explore six I believe it is and it works fine with blackboard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jacobson" wrote: Hello Josh, I'm sorry that I have to inform you that I don't, and haven't, used blackboard so far. I don't know anything about its accessibility features or how inaccessible it is. You may want to search for "Blackboard" on this list's archive, for previous posts concerning blackboard, located at http://www.nfbNet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbNet.org. If that link doesn't work try http://www.nfbNet.org/, and click on this lists archive. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:30 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! I explained that to her. Humberto, what do you know about Blackboard, and why it won't work for me. Thanks, Joshua On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: IE stands for Internet explorer. It is Microsoft's own browser. It is built into windows by default. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria G Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:55 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it and I use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could help that would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the most part, but any additions of course can be helpful. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" wrote: Joshua, blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll be okay. Press H for getting to major headings. If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor to send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain text then. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on this online class would be appreciated. Thanks, Joshua On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online classes are inaccessible. Has anyone had experiences with online classes? Thanks, Joshua On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you being blind, so just go to class! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. This is the only time the class is offered. Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. Blessings, Joshua On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to do your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least every other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable schedules that fit yhour needs that way. Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, Jewel On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester Hi Dave and everyone, If I'm right, I think the first Blackboard version which was made fully accessible was version 9. There might be earlier versions that are accessible, but this was the first one that was made fully accessible and certified by the NFB as such after we won that lawsuit against them. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: David Andrews What exactly are your problems with Blackboard? Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Hi, I have a friend who is using vista and she has no problem ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" wrote: Hi, I am using internet explore six I believe it is and it works fine with blackboard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jacobson" wrote: Hello Josh, I'm sorry that I have to inform you that I don't, and haven't, used blackboard so far. I don't know anything about its accessibility features or how inaccessible it is. You may want to search for "Blackboard" on this list's archive, for previous posts concerning blackboard, located at http://www.nfbNet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbNet.org. If that link doesn't work try http://www.nfbNet.org/, and click on this lists archive. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:30 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! I explained that to her. Humberto, what do you know about Blackboard, and why it won't work for me. Thanks, Joshua On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila wrote: IE stands for Internet explorer. It is Microsoft's own browser. It is built into windows by default. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria G Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:55 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with it and I use blackbord for school also and if there is something that could help that would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for the most part, but any additions of course can be helpful. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" wrote: Joshua, blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll be okay. Press H for getting to major headings. If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor to send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain text then. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on this online class would be appreciated. Thanks, Joshua On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online classes are inaccessible. Has anyone had experiences with online classes? Thanks, Joshua On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you being blind, so just go to class! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. This is the only time the class is offered. Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. Blessings, Joshua On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to do your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least every other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable schedules that fit yhour needs that way. Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, Jewel On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester References: <4ef50861.49cee00a.5fbd.ffffa579@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I have IE8. I mentioned that the links wouldn't come up, after I logged in. It worked at school, but not at home on this laptop. Ashley gave me some good advice, that I'll try out, next semester. Blessings, Joshua On 12/23/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > What IE version comes with Vista? If Gloria uses Blackboard with > IE 6, which I believe is a version for Windows XP, it should work > with Vista. > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:43:38 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > It may not work with Windows Vista though. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Gloria G wrote: > Hi, > I am using internet explore six I believe it is and it works > fine with > blackboard > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Jacobson" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 4:31 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > > Joshua, > > Are you sure that Blackboard requires Internet Explorer 9? > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:03:48 -0600, Joshua Lester wrote: > > I've discussedBlackboard on here before. > I just hate that I have to spend more money to update my Internet > Explorer. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila > wrote: > Hello Josh, > I'm sorry that I have to inform you that I don't, and haven't, > used > blackboard so far. I don't know anything about its > accessibility > features or > how inaccessible it is. You may want to search for "Blackboard" > on this > list's archive, for previous posts concerning blackboard, > located at > http://www.nfbNet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbNet.org. If > that link > doesn't work try http://www.nfbNet.org/, and click on this lists > archive. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:30 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > I explained that to her. > Humberto, what do you know about Blackboard, and why it won't > work for > me. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Humberto Avila > wrote: > IE stands for Internet explorer. It is Microsoft's own browser. > It is > built > into windows by default. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Gloria G > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:55 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > Hi what is IE? What does that program do? I am not fimilure with > it and > > I > use blackbord for school also and if there is something that > could help > that > > would be great. I find that blackboard is pretty accessible for > the > most > part, but any additions of course can be helpful. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > > I'll need to get Windows 7, and the latest version of IE, in > order to > access Blackboard, from home. > Our school uses it, and I like it. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Joshua, > blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that > you'll > be > okay. > Press H for getting to major headings. > If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your > professor > > to > send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in > plain > text > then. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any > advice on > this online class would be appreciated. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm > sure. > Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning > Rehab. > These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. > The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. > I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online > classes are inaccessible. > Has anyone had experiences with online classes? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at > a > time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with > you > being blind, so just go to class! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester > wrote: > > She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. > We're a community college, so we don't have priority > registration. > This is the only time the class is offered. > Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, > now. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: > Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say > she'd > do > to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now > to > do > your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have > apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next > semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as > I > have every time. For example, I need to have short days at > least > every > other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every > day). > This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. > This > coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, > Wednedsday, > Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for > priority > registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable > schedules > that fit yhour needs that way. > > Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, > Jewel > > On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I'm tired of these slow DSB people! > I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but > she > didn't show up! > She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to > the > campus, 30 miles away. > She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she > never > thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. > The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of > calling > our > cell phone, she called our home phone. > She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. > She was supposed to meet us at the student center. > She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. > Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that > she > needed to meet with. > On another note, I have my Spring schedule. > I have a monday, and wednesday 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 23:51:41 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 18:51:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! Message-ID: <4ef51421.4abee00a.712c.ffffb3a3@mx.google.com> Well, you don't have to, do you? Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn about this woman; she's not organized! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester OK, thanks! Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Oh, wow! That's great! So I can now fight Google and Facebook and Twitter? :) Do you have the documentation? Thanks for sharing this! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: I sure hope not! Has the Federation done anything with access to Kaptchas? I haven't heard of anything about Kaptchas from the Federation outside of this and other lists, which surprises me. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Donahue" wrote: What? So we can't download it now? Any other captcha services for IE? Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester No, DSS (in his case) is the Department of Social Services. This is all part of the state. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Joshua, I'm confused. You met at your college or were supposed to. But is this counselor your disability counselor from school or the state agency? If you mean the vr agency, I sympathize with you because I don't get much from my counselor either. All of them are horrible about communication. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! All of the DSB people have been this way. I'm tired of dealing with them! Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn about this woman; she's not organized! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester Hi Ashley, The DSB (Department of Services for the Blind) is his state agency for the blind, like a commission for the blind. This organization has taken over VR in Arkansas. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn about this woman; she's not organized! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester References: <4ef51421.4abee00a.712c.ffffb3a3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: If I want my books in Braille, I have to deal with them. Blessings, Joshua On 12/23/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Well, you don't have to, do you? > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:15:38 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > All of the DSB people have been this way. > I'm tired of dealing with them! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn about this woman; > she's not organized! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the > Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired > youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:19:02 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I'm tired of these slow DSB people! > I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but > she > didn't show up! > She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to > the > campus, 30 miles away. > She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she > never > thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. > The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of > calling > our > cell phone, she called our home phone. > She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. > She was supposed to meet us at the student center. > She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. > Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that > she > needed to meet with. > On another note, I have my Spring schedule. > I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will > keep > me out of church. > This has been a bad day! > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 23:51:57 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 18:51:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! Message-ID: <4ef51432.4abee00a.712c.ffffb3bc@mx.google.com> Is LWSB your state center? Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: so DSB is part of your colleges's DSS then. They can be slow. Just stay on them and advocate -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:06 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! I didn't have issues with VR, because I didn't use them much. I only used the Division of Services for the Blind, from the Department of Social Services. The VR Counselor retired, and now we don't have VR in my state. The Department of Services for the Blind, (of the DSS,) is very slow in getting the adequate help that I need. They won't even supply the things I need in class. These are the people I've been complaining about on this list, for months! Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: Joshua, I'm confused. You met at your college or were supposed to. But is this counselor your disability counselor from school or the state agency? If you mean the vr agency, I sympathize with you because I don't get much from my counselor either. All of them are horrible about communication. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! All of the DSB people have been this way. I'm tired of dealing with them! Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn about this woman; she's not organized! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester Oh! Thanks, Josh cleared that up. All these agencies! LOL! Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Humberto Avila" I saw that after I wrote that email. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Wow! Wonder what kind of stupid misconceptions about blindness she has! Keep us posted on this meeting; I have a feeling that this will be very interesting. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: do you mean your rehab counselor through vr? -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 11:43 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow Hi, it's Joshua Lester. Well, as the subject line says, I have a meeting with this new DSB counselor, tomorrow at 11. This is my first time meeting her in person. I've talked to her over the phone, and couldn't stand her. She asked questions, about stuff that was of no concern to her, the first time she called, which put her in bad standing with me. I want my old councelor back! Let's hope she's able to get my books in Braille, and hopefully I can talk them into buying me a Pac Mate. Thanks, Joshua _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 23:51:39 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 18:51:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Meeting with new DSB counselor, tomorrow Message-ID: <4ef5141f.4abee00a.712c.ffffb3a0@mx.google.com> Oh, so it's kind of like a commission for the blind. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Judging from his prior postings about this DSB, I think that's his Disability Services Office, which a lot of colleges would refer to as the DSO office, but apparently his college refers to it as DSB. I don't know what the acronym stands for, though. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" References: <4ef51429.4abee00a.712c.ffffb3af@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I explained that to her. The used to be two sepparate intities, until the past 4 years. Blessings, Joshua On 12/23/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Ashley, > > The DSB (Department of Services for the Blind) is his state > agency for the blind, like a commission for the blind. This > organization has taken over VR in Arkansas. > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:58:30 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > Joshua, > I'm confused. You met at your college or were supposed to. But > is this > counselor your disability counselor from school or the state > agency? > If you mean the vr agency, I sympathize with you because I don't > get much > from my counselor either. All of them are horrible about > communication. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > All of the DSB people have been this way. > I'm tired of dealing with them! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn about this woman; > she's not organized! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the > Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired > youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:19:02 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I'm tired of these slow DSB people! > I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but > she > didn't show up! > She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to > the > campus, 30 miles away. > She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she > never > thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. > The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of > calling > our > cell phone, she called our home phone. > She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. > She was supposed to meet us at the student center. > She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. > Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that > she > needed to meet with. > On another note, I have my Spring schedule. > I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will > keep > me out of church. > This has been a bad day! > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Dec 24 00:05:23 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 18:05:23 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: <4ef51432.4abee00a.712c.ffffb3bc@mx.google.com> References: <4ef51432.4abee00a.712c.ffffb3bc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Lions World Services for the Blind, www.lwsb.org. They're sponsored by the Lions Club, (hence their name.) Also, from what I gather, because of my time there, is that they're sponsored by the ACB, because the California Council of the Blind sent one of their members, to be a trainee at the center. Blessings, Joshua On 12/23/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Is LWSB your state center? > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:06:32 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > They're part of the state. > I will say this, since you brought up Vocational Rehab. > When I still had them, they were the ones that forced me to > attend LWSB. > I wonder what the DSB would think about funding me, if I wanted > to go to LCB. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > so DSB is part of your colleges's DSS then. They can be slow. > Just stay on > them and advocate > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:06 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > I didn't have issues with VR, because I didn't use them much. > I only used the Division of Services for the Blind, from the > Department of Social Services. > The VR Counselor retired, and now we don't have VR in my state. > The Department of Services for the Blind, (of the DSS,) is very > slow > in getting the adequate help that I need. > They won't even supply the things I need in class. > These are the people I've been complaining about on this list, > for months! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Joshua, > I'm confused. You met at your college or were supposed to. But > is this > counselor your disability counselor from school or the state > agency? > If you mean the vr agency, I sympathize with you because I don't > get much > from my counselor either. All of them are horrible about > communication. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > All of the DSB people have been this way. > I'm tired of dealing with them! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn about this woman; > she's not organized! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the > Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired > youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:19:02 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I'm tired of these slow DSB people! > I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but > she > didn't show up! > She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to > the > campus, 30 miles away. > She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she > never > thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. > The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of > calling > our > cell phone, she called our home phone. > She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. > She was supposed to meet us at the student center. > She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. > Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that > she > needed to meet with. > On another note, I have my Spring schedule. > I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will > keep > me out of church. > This has been a bad day! > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Sat Dec 24 00:21:39 2011 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 16:21:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1324686099.3486.YahooMailClassic@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Just to clear some things. Lions World Services for the Blind is now World Services for the Blind to better reflect its' mission and to allow other organizations including the Lions Club. Also the World Services for the Blind is not sponsored by the ACB or the NFB. Just because a member of the California Council of the Blind happen to attend there, does not mean that ACB sponsores it or supports it. There have many NFB members who attend World Services for the Blind and local chapter of the NFB has started having its' meetings there. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Fri, 12/23/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > From: Joshua Lester > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date: Friday, December 23, 2011, 6:05 PM > Lions World Services for the Blind, > www.lwsb.org. > They're sponsored by the Lions Club, (hence their name.) > Also, from what I gather, because of my time there, is that > they're > sponsored by the ACB, because the California Council of the > Blind sent > one of their members, to be a trainee at the center. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/23/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: > > Is LWSB your state center? > > > > Chris > > > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of > eyesight.  The > > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of > education that > > exists.  If a blind person has the proper > training and > > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere > physical > > nuisance." > > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of > the Blind, > > 1968-1986 > > > >  The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps blind and > visually impaired youth > > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through > providing > > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and > conventions > > which help them be equal with their sighted > peers.  For more > > information about the Foundation and to support our > work, visit > > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > > >  ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > > Date sent: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:06:32 -0600 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > > > They're part of the state. > > I will say this, since you brought up Vocational > Rehab. > > When I still had them, they were the ones that forced > me to > > attend LWSB. > > I wonder what the DSB would think about funding me, if > I wanted > > to go to LCB. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett > wrote: > >  so DSB is part of your colleges's DSS > then.  They can be slow. > > Just stay on > >  them and advocate > > > >  -----Original Message----- > >  From: Joshua Lester > >  Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:06 PM > >  To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > >  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of > time! > > > >  I didn't have issues with VR, because I didn't > use them much. > >  I only used the Division of Services for the > Blind, from the > >  Department of Social Services. > >  The VR Counselor retired, and now we don't have > VR in my state. > >  The Department of Services for the Blind, (of > the DSS,) is very > > slow > >  in getting the adequate help that I need. > >  They won't even supply the things I need in > class. > >  These are the people I've been complaining about > on this list, > > for months! > >  Blessings, Joshua > > > >  On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett > wrote: > >  Joshua, > >  I'm confused.  You met at your college or > were supposed to.  But > > is this > >  counselor your disability counselor from school > or the state > > agency? > >  If you mean the vr agency, I sympathize with you > because I don't > > get much > >  from my counselor either.  All of them are > horrible about > > communication. > > > >  -----Original Message----- > >  From: Joshua Lester > >  Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:15 PM > >  To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > >  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of > time! > > > >  All of the DSB people have been this way. > >  I'm tired of dealing with them! > >  Blessings, Joshua > > > >  On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: > >  Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn > about this woman; > >  she's not organized! > > > >  Chris > > > >  "The real problem of blindness is not the loss > of eyesight.  The > >  real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of > education that > >  exists.  If a blind person has the proper > training and > >  opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere > physical > >  nuisance." > >  -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National > Federation of the > > Blind, > >  1968-1986 > > > >   The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps > blind and visually impaired > > youth > >  in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them > through providing > >  assistive technology and scholarships to camps > and conventions > >  which help them be equal with their sighted > peers.  For more > >  information about the Foundation and to support > our work, visit > >  us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > > >   ----- Original Message ----- > >  From: Joshua Lester >  To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > >  >  Date sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:19:02 -0600 > >  Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > > >  Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > >  I'm tired of these slow DSB people! > >  I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my > counselor,) but > > she > >  didn't show up! > >  She called us, at the last minute, and told us > that she went to > >  the > >  campus, 30 miles away. > >  She Googled our college, and only saw that one, > and said she > >  never > >  thought that they'd have a campus so close to > it. > >  The woman also misunderstood what we said, but > instead of > > calling > >  our > >  cell phone, she called our home phone. > >  She thought we said to meet us at the > "Community," center. > >  She was supposed to meet us at the student > center. > >  She should have called our cell, so we could > clear it up. > >  Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff > members, that > >  she > >  needed to meet with. > >  On another note, I have my Spring schedule. > >  I have a monday, and wednesday class, from > 6:30/9:20, wich will > >  keep > >  me out of church. > >  This has been a bad day! > >  Blessings, Joshua > > > >  _______________________________________________ > >  nabs-l mailing list > >  nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >  To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > > info > >  for nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > >  m%40gmail.com > > > >  _______________________________________________ > >  nabs-l mailing list > >  nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >  To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > > info for > >  nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > > 0students.pccua.edu > > > > > >  _______________________________________________ > >  nabs-l mailing list > >  nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >  To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > > info for > >  nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > > 0earthlink.net > > > > > >  _______________________________________________ > >  nabs-l mailing list > >  nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >  To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > > info for > >  nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > > 0students.pccua.edu > > > > > >  _______________________________________________ > >  nabs-l mailing list > >  nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >  To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > > info for > >  nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > > 0earthlink.net > > > > > >  _______________________________________________ > >  nabs-l mailing list > >  nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >  To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > > info for > >  nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > > 0students.pccua.edu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > > m%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Dec 24 00:30:09 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 18:30:09 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: <1324686099.3486.YahooMailClassic@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1324686099.3486.YahooMailClassic@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Why didn't the NFB have a strong presence there, in 2007, when I was enrolled there? Thanks, Joshua On 12/23/11, Anmol Bhatia wrote: > Just to clear some things. > Lions World Services for the Blind is now World Services for the Blind to > better reflect its' mission and to allow other organizations including the > Lions Club. > Also the World Services for the Blind is not sponsored by the ACB or the > NFB. Just because a member of the California Council of the Blind happen to > attend there, does not mean that ACB sponsores it or supports it. There have > many NFB members who attend World Services for the Blind and local chapter > of the NFB has started having its' meetings there. > > Anmol > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze > among flowers. > Hellen Keller > > > --- On Fri, 12/23/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> From: Joshua Lester >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Date: Friday, December 23, 2011, 6:05 PM >> Lions World Services for the Blind, >> www.lwsb.org. >> They're sponsored by the Lions Club, (hence their name.) >> Also, from what I gather, because of my time there, is that >> they're >> sponsored by the ACB, because the California Council of the >> Blind sent >> one of their members, to be a trainee at the center. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/23/11, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >> > Is LWSB your state center? >> > >> > Chris >> > >> > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! >> > >> > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of >> eyesight. The >> > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of >> education that >> > exists. If a blind person has the proper >> training and >> > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere >> physical >> > nuisance." >> > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of >> the Blind, >> > 1968-1986 >> > >> > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and >> visually impaired youth >> > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through >> providing >> > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and >> conventions >> > which help them be equal with their sighted >> peers. For more >> > information about the Foundation and to support our >> work, visit >> > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Joshua Lester > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> > > > Date sent: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:06:32 -0600 >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> > >> > They're part of the state. >> > I will say this, since you brought up Vocational >> Rehab. >> > When I still had them, they were the ones that forced >> me to >> > attend LWSB. >> > I wonder what the DSB would think about funding me, if >> I wanted >> > to go to LCB. >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett >> wrote: >> > so DSB is part of your colleges's DSS >> then. They can be slow. >> > Just stay on >> > them and advocate >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Joshua Lester >> > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:06 PM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students >> mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of >> time! >> > >> > I didn't have issues with VR, because I didn't >> use them much. >> > I only used the Division of Services for the >> Blind, from the >> > Department of Social Services. >> > The VR Counselor retired, and now we don't have >> VR in my state. >> > The Department of Services for the Blind, (of >> the DSS,) is very >> > slow >> > in getting the adequate help that I need. >> > They won't even supply the things I need in >> class. >> > These are the people I've been complaining about >> on this list, >> > for months! >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett >> wrote: >> > Joshua, >> > I'm confused. You met at your college or >> were supposed to. But >> > is this >> > counselor your disability counselor from school >> or the state >> > agency? >> > If you mean the vr agency, I sympathize with you >> because I don't >> > get much >> > from my counselor either. All of them are >> horrible about >> > communication. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Joshua Lester >> > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:15 PM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students >> mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of >> time! >> > >> > All of the DSB people have been this way. >> > I'm tired of dealing with them! >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >> > Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn >> about this woman; >> > she's not organized! >> > >> > Chris >> > >> > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss >> of eyesight. The >> > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of >> education that >> > exists. If a blind person has the proper >> training and >> > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere >> physical >> > nuisance." >> > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National >> Federation of the >> > Blind, >> > 1968-1986 >> > >> > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps >> blind and visually impaired >> > youth >> > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them >> through providing >> > assistive technology and scholarships to camps >> and conventions >> > which help them be equal with their sighted >> peers. For more >> > information about the Foundation and to support >> our work, visit >> > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Joshua Lester > > To: National Association of Blind Students >> mailing list >> > > > Date sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:19:02 -0600 >> > Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> > >> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> > I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >> > I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my >> counselor,) but >> > she >> > didn't show up! >> > She called us, at the last minute, and told us >> that she went to >> > the >> > campus, 30 miles away. >> > She Googled our college, and only saw that one, >> and said she >> > never >> > thought that they'd have a campus so close to >> it. >> > The woman also misunderstood what we said, but >> instead of >> > calling >> > our >> > cell phone, she called our home phone. >> > She thought we said to meet us at the >> "Community," center. >> > She was supposed to meet us at the student >> center. >> > She should have called our cell, so we could >> clear it up. >> > Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff >> members, that >> > she >> > needed to meet with. >> > On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >> > I have a monday, and wednesday class, from >> 6:30/9:20, wich will >> > keep >> > me out of church. >> > This has been a bad day! >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account >> > info >> > for nabs-l: >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> > m%40gmail.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account >> > info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> > 0students.pccua.edu >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account >> > info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >> > 0earthlink.net >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account >> > info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> > 0students.pccua.edu >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account >> > info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >> > 0earthlink.net >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account >> > info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> > 0students.pccua.edu >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> > for nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> > m%40gmail.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 01:12:01 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:12:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Using BlackBoard Message-ID: <4ef526f6.c3bde00a.4eab.ffffbe2f@mx.google.com> To upgrade to the full version, you might need a new SMA. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jacobson" wrote: There has been some discussion of BlackBoard here, and the possible need to move from Vista to Windows 7. First let me say that for the most part, the operating system shouldn't matter, unless it doesn't support a browser and version of that browser you want to run. Different people are saying that this works for me, or this doesn't etc. I am sure that this is true. However, I would caution anybody on making sweeping generalizations or conclusions on partial information. There are various versions of Black Board out there, some more accessible than others. Accessibility may also depend on how it is set up, how it is configured, and what specific features are being used. Further the browser employed to access it, version of that browser, screen reader, and version of that screen reader may all matter. This stuff is complicated and there are lots of variables. In general it is generally best to run a recent version of a widely used browser, Internet explorer or Firefox for example, which also means running a relatively recent screen reader. New technologies are used on the web, and in applications all the time, and more recent assistive technology generally handles them better. Many sites have started phasing out Internet Explorer 6 support, so if you are still running it, it is probably time to think seriously about updating. David Andrews \ _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobso n%40visi.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 01:12:18 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:12:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! Message-ID: <4ef52707.c3bde00a.4eab.ffffbe3e@mx.google.com> Oh, OK. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: What IE version comes with Vista? If Gloria uses Blackboard with IE 6, which I believe is a version for Windows XP, it should work with Vista. Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Hi, I am using internet explore six I believe it is and it works fine with blackboard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jacobson" wrote: Joshua, blackboard is pretty accessible, so if the school uses that you'll be okay. Press H for getting to major headings. If you cannot read a part of it or find PDF files, get your professor to send you that text via email attachment. You can read it in plain text then. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! They have me in Music Appreciation, which is online, so any advice on this online class would be appreciated. Thanks, Joshua On 12/21/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: don't do biology online. There are many videos and visuals I'm sure. Just go to class and listen to sermons later on. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! I just added this experience, to what I dealt with, concerning Rehab. These two things, together ruined my day, yesterday. The complaint was more about the Rehab counselor not showing up. I would take this Biology class, online, but I hear that online classes are inaccessible. Has anyone had experiences with online classes? Thanks, Joshua On 12/21/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: Are you really complaining about the fact that you have class at a time when you usually go to church? This has nothing to do with you being blind, so just go to class! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: She's supposed to E-mail my advisor, at the college. We're a community college, so we don't have priority registration. This is the only time the class is offered. Our church will put our services online, after they're recorded, now. Blessings, Joshua On 12/21/11, Jewel wrote: Miscommunicatin are totaly going to happen. What did she say she'd do to make up for this miscommunication? Why did you wait until now to do your schedule for next semester, or does your school not have apriority registration time period? I was signed up for next semester's schedule weeks ago, and got the scheudle I wanted, as I have every time. For example, I need to have short days at least every other day (preferably no classes, but some classes meet every day). This last semester (Fall), I got Tuesdays and Thursdays off. This coming semester, I'll have the afternoons off on Monday, Wednedsday, Friday. If your disability support services has it, ask for priority registration as an accommodation. You'll get more favourable schedules that fit yhour needs that way. Just my opinion, so don't shoot me for it, Jewel On 12/20/11, Joshua Lester Oh. Well, sorry about that! Hope you finally get somebody who isn't so slow! Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Well, you don't have to, do you? Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn about this woman; she's not organized! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester Oh, I heard about that. I have heard that this LWSB doesn't have a very positive philosophy about blindness. What were your experiences there? Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Is LWSB your state center? Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: so DSB is part of your colleges's DSS then. They can be slow. Just stay on them and advocate -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:06 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! I didn't have issues with VR, because I didn't use them much. I only used the Division of Services for the Blind, from the Department of Social Services. The VR Counselor retired, and now we don't have VR in my state. The Department of Services for the Blind, (of the DSS,) is very slow in getting the adequate help that I need. They won't even supply the things I need in class. These are the people I've been complaining about on this list, for months! Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: Joshua, I'm confused. You met at your college or were supposed to. But is this counselor your disability counselor from school or the state agency? If you mean the vr agency, I sympathize with you because I don't get much from my counselor either. All of them are horrible about communication. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! All of the DSB people have been this way. I'm tired of dealing with them! Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn about this woman; she's not organized! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester Why would the NFB have a strong presence there if we don't sponsor/support the place? And one CCB (California Council of the Blind) member doesn't constitute a strong presence by the ACB. If it was Mitch Pomerantz or someone like that, maybe, but this person was a rank-and-file member, right? Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Just to clear some things. Lions World Services for the Blind is now World Services for the Blind to better reflect its' mission and to allow other organizations including the Lions Club. Also the World Services for the Blind is not sponsored by the ACB or the NFB. Just because a member of the California Council of the Blind happen to attend there, does not mean that ACB sponsores it or supports it. There have many NFB members who attend World Services for the Blind and local chapter of the NFB has started having its' meetings there. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Fri, 12/23/11, Joshua Lester wrote: From: Joshua Lester References: <4ef52953.85cae00a.3dc5.2f81@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I don't want to say the guy's name on here, because he may join this list, and the NFB, and I don't want to have his name archived here. I will say this. While I was there, he tried to recruit me to join the ACB. I wasn't interested in joining, but I researched them. I didn't like what I found, but this was how I found the NFB. I'm glad I found the NFB, and I'm glad I'm a part of it, and I'm glad I didn't join the other group. Blessings, Joshua On 12/23/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Why would the NFB have a strong presence there if we don't > sponsor/support the place? And one CCB (California Council of the > Blind) member doesn't constitute a strong presence by the ACB. > If it was Mitch Pomerantz or someone like that, maybe, but this > person was a rank-and-file member, right? > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 18:30:09 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > Why didn't the NFB have a strong presence there, in 2007, when I > was > enrolled there? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 12/23/11, Anmol Bhatia wrote: > Just to clear some things. > Lions World Services for the Blind is now World Services for the > Blind to > better reflect its' mission and to allow other organizations > including the > Lions Club. > Also the World Services for the Blind is not sponsored by the > ACB or the > NFB. Just because a member of the California Council of the > Blind happen to > attend there, does not mean that ACB sponsores it or supports > it. There have > many NFB members who attend World Services for the Blind and > local chapter > of the NFB has started having its' meetings there. > > Anmol > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. > Perhaps > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, > like a breeze > among flowers. > Hellen Keller > > > --- On Fri, 12/23/11, Joshua Lester > wrote: > > From: Joshua Lester Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date: Friday, December 23, 2011, 6:05 PM > Lions World Services for the Blind, > www.lwsb.org. > They're sponsored by the Lions Club, (hence their name.) > Also, from what I gather, because of my time there, is that > they're > sponsored by the ACB, because the California Council of the > Blind sent > one of their members, to be a trainee at the center. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/23/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Is LWSB your state center? > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of > eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of > education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper > training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere > physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of > the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and > visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through > providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and > conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted > peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our > work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Date sent: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:06:32 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > They're part of the state. > I will say this, since you brought up Vocational > Rehab. > When I still had them, they were the ones that forced > me to > attend LWSB. > I wonder what the DSB would think about funding me, if > I wanted > to go to LCB. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > so DSB is part of your colleges's DSS > then. They can be slow. > Just stay on > them and advocate > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:06 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of > time! > > I didn't have issues with VR, because I didn't > use them much. > I only used the Division of Services for the > Blind, from the > Department of Social Services. > The VR Counselor retired, and now we don't have > VR in my state. > The Department of Services for the Blind, (of > the DSS,) is very > slow > in getting the adequate help that I need. > They won't even supply the things I need in > class. > These are the people I've been complaining about > on this list, > for months! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Joshua, > I'm confused. You met at your college or > were supposed to. But > is this > counselor your disability counselor from school > or the state > agency? > If you mean the vr agency, I sympathize with you > because I don't > get much > from my counselor either. All of them are > horrible about > communication. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of > time! > > All of the DSB people have been this way. > I'm tired of dealing with them! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn > about this woman; > she's not organized! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss > of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of > education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper > training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere > physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National > Federation of the > Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps > blind and visually impaired > youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them > through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps > and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted > peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support > our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:19:02 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I'm tired of these slow DSB people! > I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my > counselor,) but > she > didn't show up! > She called us, at the last minute, and told us > that she went to > the > campus, 30 miles away. > She Googled our college, and only saw that one, > and said she > never > thought that they'd have a campus so close to > it. > The woman also misunderstood what we said, but > instead of > calling > our > cell phone, she called our home phone. > She thought we said to meet us at the > "Community," center. > She was supposed to meet us at the student > center. > She should have called our cell, so we could > clear it up. > Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff > members, that > she > needed to meet with. > On another note, I have my Spring schedule. > I have a monday, and wednesday class, from > 6:30/9:20, wich will > keep > me out of church. > This has been a bad day! > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > info > for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia% > 40yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 01:38:41 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:38:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! Message-ID: <4ef52d36.c9bee00a.7177.ffffbd78@mx.google.com> Me too! I love the Federation's philosophy about blindness, and am glad I found the NFB! Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Why would the NFB have a strong presence there if we don't sponsor/support the place? And one CCB (California Council of the Blind) member doesn't constitute a strong presence by the ACB. If it was Mitch Pomerantz or someone like that, maybe, but this person was a rank-and-file member, right? Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Just to clear some things. Lions World Services for the Blind is now World Services for the Blind to better reflect its' mission and to allow other organizations including the Lions Club. Also the World Services for the Blind is not sponsored by the ACB or the NFB. Just because a member of the California Council of the Blind happen to attend there, does not mean that ACB sponsores it or supports it. There have many NFB members who attend World Services for the Blind and local chapter of the NFB has started having its' meetings there. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Fri, 12/23/11, Joshua Lester wrote: From: Joshua Lester Message-ID: <1324690808.15325.YahooMailClassic@web162005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Chris is right that one CCB member does not constitute a strong present by the ACB or that ACB supports it. I do not why they were not more NFB members in 2007, but I was invited to my first NFB meeting when I was staying there in 1997 by a person who was attending LWSB. So just because they were not any NFB members when you attended, does not mean that LWSB is supported by the ACB. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Fri, 12/23/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > From: Joshua Lester > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date: Friday, December 23, 2011, 6:30 PM > Why didn't the NFB have a strong > presence there, in 2007, when I was > enrolled there? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 12/23/11, Anmol Bhatia > wrote: > > Just to clear some things. > > Lions World Services for the Blind is now World > Services for the Blind to > > better reflect its' mission and to allow other > organizations including the > > Lions Club. > > Also the World Services for the Blind is not sponsored > by the ACB or the > > NFB. Just because a member of the California Council > of the Blind happen to > > attend there, does not mean that ACB sponsores it or > supports it. There have > > many NFB members who attend World Services for the > Blind and local chapter > > of the NFB has started having its' meetings there. > > > > Anmol > > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never > make me sad. Perhaps > > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is > vague, like a breeze > > among flowers. > > Hellen Keller > > > > > > --- On Fri, 12/23/11, Joshua Lester > wrote: > > > >> From: Joshua Lester > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of > time! > >> To: "National Association of Blind Students > mailing list" > >> > >> Date: Friday, December 23, 2011, 6:05 PM > >> Lions World Services for the Blind, > >> www.lwsb.org. > >> They're sponsored by the Lions Club, (hence their > name.) > >> Also, from what I gather, because of my time > there, is that > >> they're > >> sponsored by the ACB, because the California > Council of the > >> Blind sent > >> one of their members, to be a trainee at the > center. > >> Blessings, Joshua > >> > >> On 12/23/11, Chris Nusbaum > >> wrote: > >> > Is LWSB your state center? > >> > > >> > Chris > >> > > >> > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous > new year! > >> > > >> > "The real problem of blindness is not the > loss of > >> eyesight.  The > >> > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack > of > >> education that > >> > exists.  If a blind person has the > proper > >> training and > >> > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a > mere > >> physical > >> > nuisance." > >> > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National > Federation of > >> the Blind, > >> > 1968-1986 > >> > > >> >  The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps > blind and > >> visually impaired youth > >> > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them > through > >> providing > >> > assistive technology and scholarships to > camps and > >> conventions > >> > which help them be equal with their sighted > >> peers.  For more > >> > information about the Foundation and to > support our > >> work, visit > >> > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > >> > > >> >  ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: Joshua Lester >> > To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing > >> list > >> > >> > Date sent: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:06:32 -0600 > >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of > time! > >> > > >> > They're part of the state. > >> > I will say this, since you brought up > Vocational > >> Rehab. > >> > When I still had them, they were the ones > that forced > >> me to > >> > attend LWSB. > >> > I wonder what the DSB would think about > funding me, if > >> I wanted > >> > to go to LCB. > >> > Blessings, Joshua > >> > > >> > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett > >> wrote: > >> >  so DSB is part of your colleges's DSS > >> then.  They can be slow. > >> > Just stay on > >> >  them and advocate > >> > > >> >  -----Original Message----- > >> >  From: Joshua Lester > >> >  Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:06 > PM > >> >  To: National Association of Blind > Students > >> mailing list > >> >  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a > waste of > >> time! > >> > > >> >  I didn't have issues with VR, because I > didn't > >> use them much. > >> >  I only used the Division of Services > for the > >> Blind, from the > >> >  Department of Social Services. > >> >  The VR Counselor retired, and now we > don't have > >> VR in my state. > >> >  The Department of Services for the > Blind, (of > >> the DSS,) is very > >> > slow > >> >  in getting the adequate help that I > need. > >> >  They won't even supply the things I > need in > >> class. > >> >  These are the people I've been > complaining about > >> on this list, > >> > for months! > >> >  Blessings, Joshua > >> > > >> >  On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett > >> wrote: > >> >  Joshua, > >> >  I'm confused.  You met at your > college or > >> were supposed to.  But > >> > is this > >> >  counselor your disability counselor > from school > >> or the state > >> > agency? > >> >  If you mean the vr agency, I sympathize > with you > >> because I don't > >> > get much > >> >  from my counselor either.  All of > them are > >> horrible about > >> > communication. > >> > > >> >  -----Original Message----- > >> >  From: Joshua Lester > >> >  Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:15 > PM > >> >  To: National Association of Blind > Students > >> mailing list > >> >  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a > waste of > >> time! > >> > > >> >  All of the DSB people have been this > way. > >> >  I'm tired of dealing with them! > >> >  Blessings, Joshua > >> > > >> >  On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum > >> wrote: > >> >  Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson > to learn > >> about this woman; > >> >  she's not organized! > >> > > >> >  Chris > >> > > >> >  "The real problem of blindness is not > the loss > >> of eyesight.  The > >> >  real problem is the misunderstanding > and lack of > >> education that > >> >  exists.  If a blind person has the > proper > >> training and > >> >  opportunity, blindness can be reduced > to a mere > >> physical > >> >  nuisance." > >> >  -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, > National > >> Federation of the > >> > Blind, > >> >  1968-1986 > >> > > >> >   The I C.A.N.  > Foundation helps > >> blind and visually impaired > >> > youth > >> >  in Maryland say "I can," by empowering > them > >> through providing > >> >  assistive technology and scholarships > to camps > >> and conventions > >> >  which help them be equal with their > sighted > >> peers.  For more > >> >  information about the Foundation and to > support > >> our work, visit > >> >  us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > >> > > >> >   ----- Original Message > ----- > >> >  From: Joshua Lester >> >  To: National Association of Blind > Students > >> mailing list > >> >  >> >  Date sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:19:02 > -0600 > >> >  Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste > of time! > >> > > >> >  Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > >> >  I'm tired of these slow DSB people! > >> >  I went to the college, to meet Ms > Audrey, (my > >> counselor,) but > >> > she > >> >  didn't show up! > >> >  She called us, at the last minute, and > told us > >> that she went to > >> >  the > >> >  campus, 30 miles away. > >> >  She Googled our college, and only saw > that one, > >> and said she > >> >  never > >> >  thought that they'd have a campus so > close to > >> it. > >> >  The woman also misunderstood what we > said, but > >> instead of > >> > calling > >> >  our > >> >  cell phone, she called our home phone. > >> >  She thought we said to meet us at the > >> "Community," center. > >> >  She was supposed to meet us at the > student > >> center. > >> >  She should have called our cell, so we > could > >> clear it up. > >> >  Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail > the staff > >> members, that > >> >  she > >> >  needed to meet with. > >> >  On another note, I have my Spring > schedule. > >> >  I have a monday, and wednesday class, > from > >> 6:30/9:20, wich will > >> >  keep > >> >  me out of church. > >> >  This has been a bad day! > >> >  Blessings, Joshua > >> > > >> >  > _______________________________________________ > >> >  nabs-l mailing list > >> >  nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >  To unsubscribe, change your list > options or get > >> your account > >> > info > >> >  for nabs-l: > >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > >> >  m%40gmail.com > >> > > >> >  > _______________________________________________ > >> >  nabs-l mailing list > >> >  nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >  To unsubscribe, change your list > options or get > >> your account > >> > info for > >> >  nabs-l: > >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > >> > 0students.pccua.edu > >> > > >> > > >> >  > _______________________________________________ > >> >  nabs-l mailing list > >> >  nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >  To unsubscribe, change your list > options or get > >> your account > >> > info for > >> >  nabs-l: > >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > >> > 0earthlink.net > >> > > >> > > >> >  > _______________________________________________ > >> >  nabs-l mailing list > >> >  nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >  To unsubscribe, change your list > options or get > >> your account > >> > info for > >> >  nabs-l: > >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > >> > 0students.pccua.edu > >> > > >> > > >> >  > _______________________________________________ > >> >  nabs-l mailing list > >> >  nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >  To unsubscribe, change your list > options or get > >> your account > >> > info for > >> >  nabs-l: > >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > >> > 0earthlink.net > >> > > >> > > >> >  > _______________________________________________ > >> >  nabs-l mailing list > >> >  nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> >  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> >  To unsubscribe, change your list > options or get > >> your account > >> > info for > >> >  nabs-l: > >> > > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > >> > 0students.pccua.edu > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or > get your > >> account info > >> > for nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > >> > m%40gmail.com > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > nabs-l mailing list > >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or > get your > >> account info for > >> > nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your > >> account info for nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Dec 24 01:50:28 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:50:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Using BlackBoard In-Reply-To: <4ef50865.49cee00a.5fbd.ffffa57c@mx.google.com> References: <4ef50865.49cee00a.5fbd.ffffa57c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6D9195B8DA3941C79740C510B0B5560F@OwnerPC> Chris, Um, I do not believe we sued blackboard. We worked with them and aggressively pushed for access. BB 9 was supposedly fully accessible, but if you used it, its frames, and way its set up is still a bit user unfriendly; still much better than it used to be. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 6:01 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using BlackBoard Hi Dave and everyone, If I'm right, I think the first Blackboard version which was made fully accessible was version 9. There might be earlier versions that are accessible, but this was the first one that was made fully accessible and certified by the NFB as such after we won that lawsuit against them. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: David Andrews References: <4ef51432.4abee00a.712c.ffffb3bc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20F62A5340494FE4BC0E6971610B5D4A@OwnerPC> Chris, Lions world lwsb is a private nonprofit center in Arkansas. Not a state center -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 6:51 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! Is LWSB your state center? Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: so DSB is part of your colleges's DSS then. They can be slow. Just stay on them and advocate -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:06 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! I didn't have issues with VR, because I didn't use them much. I only used the Division of Services for the Blind, from the Department of Social Services. The VR Counselor retired, and now we don't have VR in my state. The Department of Services for the Blind, (of the DSS,) is very slow in getting the adequate help that I need. They won't even supply the things I need in class. These are the people I've been complaining about on this list, for months! Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: Joshua, I'm confused. You met at your college or were supposed to. But is this counselor your disability counselor from school or the state agency? If you mean the vr agency, I sympathize with you because I don't get much from my counselor either. All of them are horrible about communication. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! All of the DSB people have been this way. I'm tired of dealing with them! Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn about this woman; she's not organized! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester References: <1324686099.3486.YahooMailClassic@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3716022918DF4C9295096E0BDE38669E@OwnerPC> That is right Anmol. Members of both groups go there. While their rules and philosophy may not be NFB's they do have job training programs so many blind people, regardless of organization affiliation,, attend it. NFB members take the good with the bad I suppose. Joshua, just because a few ACB people go there, it does not mean ACB endorses it. In fact ACB endorses no center for the blind. It’s a private center. -----Original Message----- From: Anmol Bhatia Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 7:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! Just to clear some things. Lions World Services for the Blind is now World Services for the Blind to better reflect its' mission and to allow other organizations including the Lions Club. Also the World Services for the Blind is not sponsored by the ACB or the NFB. Just because a member of the California Council of the Blind happen to attend there, does not mean that ACB sponsores it or supports it. There have many NFB members who attend World Services for the Blind and local chapter of the NFB has started having its' meetings there. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Fri, 12/23/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > From: Joshua Lester > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Date: Friday, December 23, 2011, 6:05 PM > Lions World Services for the Blind, > www.lwsb.org. > They're sponsored by the Lions Club, (hence their name.) > Also, from what I gather, because of my time there, is that > they're > sponsored by the ACB, because the California Council of the > Blind sent > one of their members, to be a trainee at the center. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/23/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: > > Is LWSB your state center? > > > > Chris > > > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of > eyesight. The > > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of > education that > > exists. If a blind person has the proper > training and > > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere > physical > > nuisance." > > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of > the Blind, > > 1968-1986 > > > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and > visually impaired youth > > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through > providing > > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and > conventions > > which help them be equal with their sighted > peers. For more > > information about the Foundation and to support our > work, visit > > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > > Date sent: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:06:32 -0600 > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > > > They're part of the state. > > I will say this, since you brought up Vocational > Rehab. > > When I still had them, they were the ones that forced > me to > > attend LWSB. > > I wonder what the DSB would think about funding me, if > I wanted > > to go to LCB. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett > wrote: > > so DSB is part of your colleges's DSS > then. They can be slow. > > Just stay on > > them and advocate > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joshua Lester > > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:06 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of > time! > > > > I didn't have issues with VR, because I didn't > use them much. > > I only used the Division of Services for the > Blind, from the > > Department of Social Services. > > The VR Counselor retired, and now we don't have > VR in my state. > > The Department of Services for the Blind, (of > the DSS,) is very > > slow > > in getting the adequate help that I need. > > They won't even supply the things I need in > class. > > These are the people I've been complaining about > on this list, > > for months! > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett > wrote: > > Joshua, > > I'm confused. You met at your college or > were supposed to. But > > is this > > counselor your disability counselor from school > or the state > > agency? > > If you mean the vr agency, I sympathize with you > because I don't > > get much > > from my counselor either. All of them are > horrible about > > communication. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joshua Lester > > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:15 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of > time! > > > > All of the DSB people have been this way. > > I'm tired of dealing with them! > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: > > Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn > about this woman; > > she's not organized! > > > > Chris > > > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss > of eyesight. The > > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of > education that > > exists. If a blind person has the proper > training and > > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere > physical > > nuisance." > > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National > Federation of the > > Blind, > > 1968-1986 > > > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps > blind and visually impaired > > youth > > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them > through providing > > assistive technology and scholarships to camps > and conventions > > which help them be equal with their sighted > peers. For more > > information about the Foundation and to support > our work, visit > > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > > > Date sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:19:02 -0600 > > Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > > I'm tired of these slow DSB people! > > I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my > counselor,) but > > she > > didn't show up! > > She called us, at the last minute, and told us > that she went to > > the > > campus, 30 miles away. > > She Googled our college, and only saw that one, > and said she > > never > > thought that they'd have a campus so close to > it. > > The woman also misunderstood what we said, but > instead of > > calling > > our > > cell phone, she called our home phone. > > She thought we said to meet us at the > "Community," center. > > She was supposed to meet us at the student > center. > > She should have called our cell, so we could > clear it up. > > Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff > members, that > > she > > needed to meet with. > > On another note, I have my Spring schedule. > > I have a monday, and wednesday class, from > 6:30/9:20, wich will > > keep > > me out of church. > > This has been a bad day! > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > > info > > for nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > > m%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > > info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > > 0students.pccua.edu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > > info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > > 0earthlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > > info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > > 0students.pccua.edu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > > info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > > 0earthlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > > info for > > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > > 0students.pccua.edu > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > > m%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Dec 24 02:04:12 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:04:12 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: <3716022918DF4C9295096E0BDE38669E@OwnerPC> References: <1324686099.3486.YahooMailClassic@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <3716022918DF4C9295096E0BDE38669E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I was just upset that he ogressively tried to force ACB down my throat. At one time, I was in agreement with the accessible currency that they wanted, but when I researched it, I wanted nothing to do with it. The guy just kept ramming it down our throats, and I was glad to have left after my 4 weeks were up. Blessings, Joshua On 12/23/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > That is right Anmol. Members of both groups go there. While their rules and > philosophy may not be NFB's they do have job training programs so many blind > people, regardless of organization affiliation,, attend it. NFB members > take the good with the bad I suppose. > Joshua, just because a few ACB people go there, it does not mean ACB > endorses it. In fact ACB endorses no center for the blind. > It’s a private center. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anmol Bhatia > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 7:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > Just to clear some things. > Lions World Services for the Blind is now World Services for the Blind to > better reflect its' mission and to allow other organizations including the > Lions Club. > Also the World Services for the Blind is not sponsored by the ACB or the > NFB. Just because a member of the California Council of the Blind happen to > attend there, does not mean that ACB sponsores it or supports it. There have > many NFB members who attend World Services for the Blind and local chapter > of the NFB has started having its' meetings there. > > Anmol > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze > among flowers. > Hellen Keller > > > --- On Fri, 12/23/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> From: Joshua Lester >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Date: Friday, December 23, 2011, 6:05 PM >> Lions World Services for the Blind, >> www.lwsb.org. >> They're sponsored by the Lions Club, (hence their name.) >> Also, from what I gather, because of my time there, is that >> they're >> sponsored by the ACB, because the California Council of the >> Blind sent >> one of their members, to be a trainee at the center. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/23/11, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >> > Is LWSB your state center? >> > >> > Chris >> > >> > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! >> > >> > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of >> eyesight. The >> > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of >> education that >> > exists. If a blind person has the proper >> training and >> > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere >> physical >> > nuisance." >> > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of >> the Blind, >> > 1968-1986 >> > >> > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and >> visually impaired youth >> > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through >> providing >> > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and >> conventions >> > which help them be equal with their sighted >> peers. For more >> > information about the Foundation and to support our >> work, visit >> > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Joshua Lester > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> > > > Date sent: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:06:32 -0600 >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> > >> > They're part of the state. >> > I will say this, since you brought up Vocational >> Rehab. >> > When I still had them, they were the ones that forced >> me to >> > attend LWSB. >> > I wonder what the DSB would think about funding me, if >> I wanted >> > to go to LCB. >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett >> wrote: >> > so DSB is part of your colleges's DSS >> then. They can be slow. >> > Just stay on >> > them and advocate >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Joshua Lester >> > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:06 PM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students >> mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of >> time! >> > >> > I didn't have issues with VR, because I didn't >> use them much. >> > I only used the Division of Services for the >> Blind, from the >> > Department of Social Services. >> > The VR Counselor retired, and now we don't have >> VR in my state. >> > The Department of Services for the Blind, (of >> the DSS,) is very >> > slow >> > in getting the adequate help that I need. >> > They won't even supply the things I need in >> class. >> > These are the people I've been complaining about >> on this list, >> > for months! >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett >> wrote: >> > Joshua, >> > I'm confused. You met at your college or >> were supposed to. But >> > is this >> > counselor your disability counselor from school >> or the state >> > agency? >> > If you mean the vr agency, I sympathize with you >> because I don't >> > get much >> > from my counselor either. All of them are >> horrible about >> > communication. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Joshua Lester >> > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:15 PM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students >> mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of >> time! >> > >> > All of the DSB people have been this way. >> > I'm tired of dealing with them! >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >> > Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn >> about this woman; >> > she's not organized! >> > >> > Chris >> > >> > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss >> of eyesight. The >> > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of >> education that >> > exists. If a blind person has the proper >> training and >> > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere >> physical >> > nuisance." >> > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National >> Federation of the >> > Blind, >> > 1968-1986 >> > >> > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps >> blind and visually impaired >> > youth >> > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them >> through providing >> > assistive technology and scholarships to camps >> and conventions >> > which help them be equal with their sighted >> peers. For more >> > information about the Foundation and to support >> our work, visit >> > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Joshua Lester > > To: National Association of Blind Students >> mailing list >> > > > Date sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:19:02 -0600 >> > Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> > >> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> > I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >> > I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my >> counselor,) but >> > she >> > didn't show up! >> > She called us, at the last minute, and told us >> that she went to >> > the >> > campus, 30 miles away. >> > She Googled our college, and only saw that one, >> and said she >> > never >> > thought that they'd have a campus so close to >> it. >> > The woman also misunderstood what we said, but >> instead of >> > calling >> > our >> > cell phone, she called our home phone. >> > She thought we said to meet us at the >> "Community," center. >> > She was supposed to meet us at the student >> center. >> > She should have called our cell, so we could >> clear it up. >> > Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff >> members, that >> > she >> > needed to meet with. >> > On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >> > I have a monday, and wednesday class, from >> 6:30/9:20, wich will >> > keep >> > me out of church. >> > This has been a bad day! >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account >> > info >> > for nabs-l: >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> > m%40gmail.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account >> > info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> > 0students.pccua.edu >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account >> > info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >> > 0earthlink.net >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account >> > info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> > 0students.pccua.edu >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account >> > info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >> > 0earthlink.net >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account >> > info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> > 0students.pccua.edu >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> > for nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> > m%40gmail.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 02:06:41 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 21:06:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Using BlackBoard Message-ID: <4ef533c6.c3bde00a.4eab.ffffc30d@mx.google.com> Oh, I thought I saw some press releases about a lawsuit or something with Blackboard. I could be wrong, though. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" OK. I didn't know what LWSB stood for, so now I know. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: so DSB is part of your colleges's DSS then. They can be slow. Just stay on them and advocate -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:06 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! I didn't have issues with VR, because I didn't use them much. I only used the Division of Services for the Blind, from the Department of Social Services. The VR Counselor retired, and now we don't have VR in my state. The Department of Services for the Blind, (of the DSS,) is very slow in getting the adequate help that I need. They won't even supply the things I need in class. These are the people I've been complaining about on this list, for months! Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: Joshua, I'm confused. You met at your college or were supposed to. But is this counselor your disability counselor from school or the state agency? If you mean the vr agency, I sympathize with you because I don't get much from my counselor either. All of them are horrible about communication. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! All of the DSB people have been this way. I'm tired of dealing with them! Blessings, Joshua On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn about this woman; she's not organized! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester Wonder=20who=20this=20guy=20is!=20Whoever=20he=20is,=20ramming=20it=20down= =20someone's=20 throat=20isn't=20the=20way=20to=20turn=20them=20on=20to=20an=20organization= =20IMO;=20it's=20 the=20way=20to=20turn=20them=20off! Chris Merry=20Christmas=20and=20a=20happy=20and=20prosperous=20new=20year! "The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi= ght.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance." --=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President,=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20= Blind,=20 1968-1986 =20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20blind=20and=20visually=20impa= ired=20youth=20 in=20Maryland=20say=20"I=20can,"=20by=20empowering=20them=20through=20provi= ding=20 assistive=20technology=20and=20scholarships=20to=20camps=20and=20convention= s=20 which=20help=20them=20be=20equal=20with=20their=20sighted=20peers.=20=20For= =20more=20 information=20about=20the=20Foundation=20and=20to=20support=20our=20work,=20= visit=20 us=20online=20at=20www.icanfoundation.info! =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Joshua=20Lester=20=20wrote: =20That=20is=20right=20Anmol.=20=20Members=20of=20both=20groups=20go=20ther= e.=20=20While=20 their=20rules=20and =20philosophy=20may=20not=20be=20NFB's=20they=20do=20have=20job=20training= =20programs=20 so=20many=20blind =20people,=20regardless=20of=20=20organization=20affiliation,,=20attend=20i= t.=20=20 NFB=20members =20take=20the=20good=20with=20the=20bad=20I=20suppose. =20Joshua,=20just=20because=20a=20few=20ACB=20people=20go=20there,=20it=20d= oes=20not=20mean=20 ACB =20endorses=20it.=20=20In=20fact=20ACB=20endorses=20no=20center=20for=20the= =20blind. =20It=92s=20a=20private=20center. =20-----Original=20Message----- =20From:=20Anmol=20Bhatia =20Sent:=20Friday,=20December=2023,=202011=207:21=20PM =20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list =20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20DSB=20meeting,=20a=20waste=20of=20time! =20Just=20to=20clear=20some=20things. =20Lions=20World=20Services=20for=20the=20Blind=20is=20now=20World=20Servic= es=20for=20the=20 Blind=20to =20better=20reflect=20its'=20mission=20and=20to=20allow=20other=20organizat= ions=20 including=20the =20Lions=20Club. =20Also=20the=20World=20Services=20for=20the=20Blind=20is=20not=20sponsored= =20by=20the=20 ACB=20or=20the =20NFB.=20=20Just=20because=20a=20member=20of=20the=20California=20Council= =20of=20the=20 Blind=20happen=20to =20attend=20there,=20does=20not=20mean=20that=20ACB=20sponsores=20it=20or=20= supports=20 it.=20=20There=20have =20many=20NFB=20members=20who=20attend=20World=20Services=20for=20the=20Bli= nd=20and=20 local=20chapter =20of=20the=20NFB=20has=20started=20having=20its'=20meetings=20there. =20Anmol =20I=20seldom=20think=20about=20my=20limitations,=20and=20they=20never=20ma= ke=20me=20sad.=20=20 Perhaps =20there=20is=20just=20a=20touch=20of=20yearning=20at=20times;=20but=20it=20= is=20vague,=20 like=20a=20breeze =20among=20flowers. =20Hellen=20Keller =20---=20On=20Fri,=2012/23/11,=20Joshua=20Lester=20 =20wrote: =20From:=20Joshua=20Lester=20 Message-ID: <1324695626.39838.YahooMailClassic@web162001.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> They would send you to LCB if thats what you wanted. I know people from Arkansas who have attended LCB and were funded by DSB. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Thu, 12/22/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > From: Joshua Lester > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date: Thursday, December 22, 2011, 10:06 PM > They're part of the state. > I will say this, since you brought up Vocational Rehab. > When I still had them, they were the ones that forced me to > attend LWSB. > I wonder what the DSB would think about funding me, if I > wanted to go to LCB. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett > wrote: > > so DSB is part of your colleges's DSS then. They can > be slow. Just stay on > > them and advocate > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joshua Lester > > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:06 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > > > I didn't have issues with VR, because I didn't use > them much. > > I only used the Division of Services for the Blind, > from the > > Department of Social Services. > > The VR Counselor retired, and now we don't have VR in > my state. > > The Department of Services for the Blind, (of the > DSS,) is very slow > > in getting the adequate help that I need. > > They won't even supply the things I need in class. > > These are the people I've been complaining about on > this list, for months! > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett > wrote: > >> Joshua, > >> I'm confused. You met at your college or were > supposed to. But is this > >> counselor your disability counselor from school or > the state agency? > >> If you mean the vr agency, I sympathize with you > because I don't get much > >> from my counselor either. All of them are horrible > about communication. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Joshua Lester > >> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:15 PM > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of > time! > >> > >> All of the DSB people have been this way. > >> I'm tired of dealing with them! > >> Blessings, Joshua > >> > >> On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: > >>> Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn > about this woman; > >>> she's not organized! > >>> > >>> Chris > >>> > >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss > of eyesight.  The > >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack > of education that > >>> exists.  If a blind person has the proper > training and > >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a > mere physical > >>> nuisance." > >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National > Federation of the Blind, > >>> 1968-1986 > >>> > >>>  The I C.A.N.  Foundation helps > blind and visually impaired youth > >>> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them > through providing > >>> assistive technology and scholarships to camps > and conventions > >>> which help them be equal with their sighted > peers.  For more > >>> information about the Foundation and to > support our work, visit > >>> us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > >>> > >>>  ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > >>> >>> Date sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:19:02 -0600 > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of > time! > >>> > >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > >>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! > >>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my > counselor,) but she > >>> didn't show up! > >>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us > that she went to > >>> the > >>> campus, 30 miles away. > >>> She Googled our college, and only saw that > one, and said she > >>> never > >>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to > it. > >>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but > instead of calling > >>> our > >>> cell phone, she called our home phone. > >>> She thought we said to meet us at the > "Community," center. > >>> She was supposed to meet us at the student > center. > >>> She should have called our cell, so we could > clear it up. > >>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the > staff members, that > >>> she > >>> needed to meet with. > >>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. > >>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from > 6:30/9:20, wich will > >>> keep > >>> me out of church. > >>> This has been a bad day! > >>> Blessings, Joshua > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or > get your account info > >>> for nabs-l: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > >>> m%40gmail.com > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or > get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From sparklylicious at suddenlink.net Sat Dec 24 03:17:28 2011 From: sparklylicious at suddenlink.net (Hannah Chadwick) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 19:17:28 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Macbook Pro 13 for sale Message-ID: <000901ccc1ea$919d60a0$b4d821e0$@suddenlink.net> Greetings Everyone, I am posting this for a friend: I have a Macbook pro for sale. It is a 13", currently running Snowleopard. It is in near perfect condition, and has a 250 GB harddrive and 4 GB ram, with a 2.53 GHZ duo core processor. It is capable of running Lion, you would just have to get it from the app store. In the package is a newer model of adapter, an apple remote, an extra power chord and the Snowleopard cd. Asking price is $850. Contact me at tyler at tysdomain.com if you are interested or for more information. From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Dec 24 04:03:46 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 22:03:46 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: <4ef5371a.491be00a.4c32.ffffc371@mx.google.com> References: <4ef5371a.491be00a.4c32.ffffc371@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Chris, I'll E-mail you offlist. Blessings, Joshua On 12/23/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Wonder who this guy is! Whoever he is, ramming it down someone's > throat isn't the way to turn them on to an organization IMO; it's > the way to turn them off! > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 20:04:12 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > I was just upset that he ogressively tried to force ACB down my > throat. > At one time, I was in agreement with the accessible currency that > they > wanted, but when I researched it, I wanted nothing to do with it. > The guy just kept ramming it down our throats, and I was glad to > have > left after my 4 weeks were up. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/23/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > That is right Anmol. Members of both groups go there. While > their rules and > philosophy may not be NFB's they do have job training programs > so many blind > people, regardless of organization affiliation,, attend it. > NFB members > take the good with the bad I suppose. > Joshua, just because a few ACB people go there, it does not mean > ACB > endorses it. In fact ACB endorses no center for the blind. > It뭩 a private center. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anmol Bhatia > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 7:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > Just to clear some things. > Lions World Services for the Blind is now World Services for the > Blind to > better reflect its' mission and to allow other organizations > including the > Lions Club. > Also the World Services for the Blind is not sponsored by the > ACB or the > NFB. Just because a member of the California Council of the > Blind happen to > attend there, does not mean that ACB sponsores it or supports > it. There have > many NFB members who attend World Services for the Blind and > local chapter > of the NFB has started having its' meetings there. > > Anmol > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. > Perhaps > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, > like a breeze > among flowers. > Hellen Keller > > > --- On Fri, 12/23/11, Joshua Lester > wrote: > > From: Joshua Lester Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date: Friday, December 23, 2011, 6:05 PM > Lions World Services for the Blind, > www.lwsb.org. > They're sponsored by the Lions Club, (hence their name.) > Also, from what I gather, because of my time there, is that > they're > sponsored by the ACB, because the California Council of the > Blind sent > one of their members, to be a trainee at the center. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/23/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Is LWSB your state center? > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of > eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of > education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper > training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere > physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of > the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and > visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through > providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and > conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted > peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our > work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Date sent: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:06:32 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > They're part of the state. > I will say this, since you brought up Vocational > Rehab. > When I still had them, they were the ones that forced > me to > attend LWSB. > I wonder what the DSB would think about funding me, if > I wanted > to go to LCB. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > so DSB is part of your colleges's DSS > then. They can be slow. > Just stay on > them and advocate > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:06 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of > time! > > I didn't have issues with VR, because I didn't > use them much. > I only used the Division of Services for the > Blind, from the > Department of Social Services. > The VR Counselor retired, and now we don't have > VR in my state. > The Department of Services for the Blind, (of > the DSS,) is very > slow > in getting the adequate help that I need. > They won't even supply the things I need in > class. > These are the people I've been complaining about > on this list, > for months! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Joshua, > I'm confused. You met at your college or > were supposed to. But > is this > counselor your disability counselor from school > or the state > agency? > If you mean the vr agency, I sympathize with you > because I don't > get much > from my counselor either. All of them are > horrible about > communication. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of > time! > > All of the DSB people have been this way. > I'm tired of dealing with them! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn > about this woman; > she's not organized! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss > of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of > education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper > training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere > physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National > Federation of the > Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps > blind and visually impaired > youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them > through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps > and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted > peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support > our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:19:02 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I'm tired of these slow DSB people! > I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my > counselor,) but > she > didn't show up! > She called us, at the last minute, and told us > that she went to > the > campus, 30 miles away. > She Googled our college, and only saw that one, > and said she > never > thought that they'd have a campus so close to > it. > The woman also misunderstood what we said, but > instead of > calling > our > cell phone, she called our home phone. > She thought we said to meet us at the > "Community," center. > She was supposed to meet us at the student > center. > She should have called our cell, so we could > clear it up. > Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff > members, that > she > needed to meet with. > On another note, I have my Spring schedule. > I have a monday, and wednesday class, from > 6:30/9:20, wich will > keep > me out of church. > This has been a bad day! > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > info > for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia% > 40yahoo..com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Dec 24 05:02:21 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 00:02:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: <4ef52d36.c9bee00a.7177.ffffbd78@mx.google.com> References: <4ef52d36.c9bee00a.7177.ffffbd78@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, As I said people of all kinds go to LWSB and other training centers. If you don't want to be involved in a particular group, just tell those students and they'll back off. I can say the same about NFB. Our state center is now run by a federationist and events for NFB are advertised there. Yet many students do not want to join. Some check it out and don't join; others ignore the idea. Unless you go to an nfb center, you will find blind people with varying acceptance of blindness and different philosophies. Some join groups; others do not; and most blind people are unaffiliated. But Joshua, if you only hang out with people in nfb, you shut out many other people. I'm friends with those in the other consumer group and those that are in no group. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 8:38 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! Me too! I love the Federation's philosophy about blindness, and am glad I found the NFB! Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Why would the NFB have a strong presence there if we don't sponsor/support the place? And one CCB (California Council of the Blind) member doesn't constitute a strong presence by the ACB. If it was Mitch Pomerantz or someone like that, maybe, but this person was a rank-and-file member, right? Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester wrote: Just to clear some things. Lions World Services for the Blind is now World Services for the Blind to better reflect its' mission and to allow other organizations including the Lions Club. Also the World Services for the Blind is not sponsored by the ACB or the NFB. Just because a member of the California Council of the Blind happen to attend there, does not mean that ACB sponsores it or supports it. There have many NFB members who attend World Services for the Blind and local chapter of the NFB has started having its' meetings there. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Fri, 12/23/11, Joshua Lester wrote: From: Joshua Lester References: <1324686099.3486.YahooMailClassic@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><3716022918DF4C9295096E0BDE38669E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Well, Joshua, last thing I'll say. If someone pushes me to join a group that I won't join, I ignore that and change the subject; if that does not work, I aggressively tell them no and to leave me alone. You will find many people in life whom you don't agree with; live with it. I had Muslims at George mason university, GMU, say I should be a muslim because Islam was the best way. I reject that because I'm a christian so I listened for a while and then said no and just said something like "I need to get onto class now. Nice meeting you, but I already have a strong faith different than yours." That doesn't mean GMU is a bad school though or that GMU endorses ISLAM because a few vocal muslim students were out there. So this analogy is very flawed you draw. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Lester Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 9:04 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! I was just upset that he ogressively tried to force ACB down my throat. At one time, I was in agreement with the accessible currency that they wanted, but when I researched it, I wanted nothing to do with it. The guy just kept ramming it down our throats, and I was glad to have left after my 4 weeks were up. Blessings, Joshua On 12/23/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > That is right Anmol. Members of both groups go there. While their rules > and > philosophy may not be NFB's they do have job training programs so many > blind > people, regardless of organization affiliation,, attend it. NFB members > take the good with the bad I suppose. > Joshua, just because a few ACB people go there, it does not mean ACB > endorses it. In fact ACB endorses no center for the blind. > It’s a private center. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anmol Bhatia > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 7:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > Just to clear some things. > Lions World Services for the Blind is now World Services for the Blind to > better reflect its' mission and to allow other organizations including the > Lions Club. > Also the World Services for the Blind is not sponsored by the ACB or the > NFB. Just because a member of the California Council of the Blind happen > to > attend there, does not mean that ACB sponsores it or supports it. There > have > many NFB members who attend World Services for the Blind and local chapter > of the NFB has started having its' meetings there. > > Anmol > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze > among flowers. > Hellen Keller > > > --- On Fri, 12/23/11, Joshua Lester > wrote: > >> From: Joshua Lester >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Date: Friday, December 23, 2011, 6:05 PM >> Lions World Services for the Blind, >> www.lwsb.org. >> They're sponsored by the Lions Club, (hence their name.) >> Also, from what I gather, because of my time there, is that >> they're >> sponsored by the ACB, because the California Council of the >> Blind sent >> one of their members, to be a trainee at the center. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/23/11, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >> > Is LWSB your state center? >> > >> > Chris >> > >> > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! >> > >> > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of >> eyesight. The >> > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of >> education that >> > exists. If a blind person has the proper >> training and >> > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere >> physical >> > nuisance." >> > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of >> the Blind, >> > 1968-1986 >> > >> > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and >> visually impaired youth >> > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through >> providing >> > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and >> conventions >> > which help them be equal with their sighted >> peers. For more >> > information about the Foundation and to support our >> work, visit >> > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Joshua Lester > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> > > > Date sent: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:06:32 -0600 >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> > >> > They're part of the state. >> > I will say this, since you brought up Vocational >> Rehab. >> > When I still had them, they were the ones that forced >> me to >> > attend LWSB. >> > I wonder what the DSB would think about funding me, if >> I wanted >> > to go to LCB. >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett >> wrote: >> > so DSB is part of your colleges's DSS >> then. They can be slow. >> > Just stay on >> > them and advocate >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Joshua Lester >> > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:06 PM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students >> mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of >> time! >> > >> > I didn't have issues with VR, because I didn't >> use them much. >> > I only used the Division of Services for the >> Blind, from the >> > Department of Social Services. >> > The VR Counselor retired, and now we don't have >> VR in my state. >> > The Department of Services for the Blind, (of >> the DSS,) is very >> > slow >> > in getting the adequate help that I need. >> > They won't even supply the things I need in >> class. >> > These are the people I've been complaining about >> on this list, >> > for months! >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett >> wrote: >> > Joshua, >> > I'm confused. You met at your college or >> were supposed to. But >> > is this >> > counselor your disability counselor from school >> or the state >> > agency? >> > If you mean the vr agency, I sympathize with you >> because I don't >> > get much >> > from my counselor either. All of them are >> horrible about >> > communication. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Joshua Lester >> > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:15 PM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students >> mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of >> time! >> > >> > All of the DSB people have been this way. >> > I'm tired of dealing with them! >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >> > Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn >> about this woman; >> > she's not organized! >> > >> > Chris >> > >> > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss >> of eyesight. The >> > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of >> education that >> > exists. If a blind person has the proper >> training and >> > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere >> physical >> > nuisance." >> > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National >> Federation of the >> > Blind, >> > 1968-1986 >> > >> > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps >> blind and visually impaired >> > youth >> > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them >> through providing >> > assistive technology and scholarships to camps >> and conventions >> > which help them be equal with their sighted >> peers. For more >> > information about the Foundation and to support >> our work, visit >> > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: Joshua Lester > > To: National Association of Blind Students >> mailing list >> > > > Date sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:19:02 -0600 >> > Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> > >> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> > I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >> > I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my >> counselor,) but >> > she >> > didn't show up! >> > She called us, at the last minute, and told us >> that she went to >> > the >> > campus, 30 miles away. >> > She Googled our college, and only saw that one, >> and said she >> > never >> > thought that they'd have a campus so close to >> it. >> > The woman also misunderstood what we said, but >> instead of >> > calling >> > our >> > cell phone, she called our home phone. >> > She thought we said to meet us at the >> "Community," center. >> > She was supposed to meet us at the student >> center. >> > She should have called our cell, so we could >> clear it up. >> > Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff >> members, that >> > she >> > needed to meet with. >> > On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >> > I have a monday, and wednesday class, from >> 6:30/9:20, wich will >> > keep >> > me out of church. >> > This has been a bad day! >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account >> > info >> > for nabs-l: >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> > m%40gmail.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account >> > info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> > 0students.pccua.edu >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account >> > info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >> > 0earthlink.net >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account >> > info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> > 0students.pccua.edu >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account >> > info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >> > 0earthlink.net >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account >> > info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> > 0students.pccua.edu >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info >> > for nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> > m%40gmail.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Dec 24 05:27:48 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 00:27:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] taking a introduction computer class In-Reply-To: References: <08524E7AAC254CF79C7C2AA8440A4D20@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <03F3B887D6E04E1A95DC56C063F36E5A@OwnerPC> lea I decided to take intro to computer concepts. Our instructor will lecture and cover computer terms and theory. She uses the book Computer technology. Our text has 15 chapters and the four exams cover this material from lecture/book. Did you work with the professor to learn the keyboard commands? I did not ask her if she used blackboard, but I don't think so. What did the learning center do with you? Is that a center where you get tutoring help? How can I follow her computer demonstrations? Just have her verbalize what she clicks on? The class covers the office suite: Word, powerpoint, excell, access, and basic html. Any more tips are welcome. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Lea williams Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 8:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] taking a introduction computer class Hey I am taking this class right now. My teacher talks about the book in class and we do our work at home through black board. It is fill in the blanck and multiple answers. We do have to do some things that requier you to read the book and do what it tells you to and turn it in. I get help from the learning center for this because their is visual stuff but, there is not a lot of this. It is easy over all. Try to talk with your teacher at the beginning of the semester. On 11/15/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: > As well as the regular course material, could they purchase some of the > guides that are made specifically for JAWS users? I know that there are at > least ones for Word and Powerpoint because I used them myself. That being > said, though, I am not sure if they exist for the most recent versions of > the office programs. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 2:05 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] taking a introduction computer class > > >> Hi all, >> What has been your experience taking mainstream computer classes at a >> college? I am considering one. Its called something like introduction to >> computer concepts and applications. It focuses on the MS office suite as >> well as computer knowledge like terms, hardware, software, components of >> the computer, things like that. I heard its half lecture or maybe more >> than half lecture and the rest hands on in the lab working on a computer. >> The lecture and book cover the computer knowledge/terms/theory and hands >> on teaches Word, Powerpoint, internet, and some database which is Access, >> although I’m not sure as the catolog did not specify. >> >> >> How could the professor teach me these things? Explain computer commands >> with Office short cut keys? This class is required for AA degree students >> but I’m taking it to get more computer knowledge not only about MS office >> but about computer operations in general. They will install jaws 12 upon >> request, but professors know nothing about jaws, other than clicking the >> icon to turn it on. So I’m on my own for jaws commands. >> Maybe I can work with the instructor in office hours but I’d like to get >> the most out of class. >> >> I know the past blind students worked closely with the professor for >> help. >> >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Dec 24 06:08:11 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 00:08:11 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: References: <4ef52d36.c9bee00a.7177.ffffbd78@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I don't shut them out, but I kindly show them that there's a better philosophy, than the one that they have. Blessings, Joshua On 12/23/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi, > As I said people of all kinds go to LWSB and other training centers. > If you don't want to be involved in a particular group, just tell those > students and they'll back off. > I can say the same about NFB. Our state center is now run by a federationist > and events for NFB are advertised there. Yet many students do not want to > join. Some check it out and don't join; others ignore the idea. > > Unless you go to an nfb center, you will find blind people with varying > acceptance of blindness and different philosophies. > Some join groups; others do not; and most blind people are unaffiliated. But > Joshua, if you only hang out with people in nfb, you shut out many other > people. I'm friends with those in the other consumer group and those that > are in no group. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 8:38 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > Me too! I love the Federation's philosophy about blindness, and > am glad I found the NFB! > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 19:28:19 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > I don't want to say the guy's name on here, because he may join > this > list, and the NFB, and I don't want to have his name archived > here. > I will say this. > While I was there, he tried to recruit me to join the ACB. > I wasn't interested in joining, but I researched them. > I didn't like what I found, but this was how I found the NFB. > I'm glad I found the NFB, and I'm glad I'm a part of it, and I'm > glad > I didn't join the other group. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/23/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Why would the NFB have a strong presence there if we don't > sponsor/support the place? And one CCB (California Council of > the > Blind) member doesn't constitute a strong presence by the ACB. > If it was Mitch Pomerantz or someone like that, maybe, but this > person was a rank-and-file member, right? > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the > Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired > youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 18:30:09 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > Why didn't the NFB have a strong presence there, in 2007, when I > was > enrolled there? > Thanks, Joshua > > On 12/23/11, Anmol Bhatia wrote: > Just to clear some things. > Lions World Services for the Blind is now World Services for > the > Blind to > better reflect its' mission and to allow other organizations > including the > Lions Club. > Also the World Services for the Blind is not sponsored by the > ACB or the > NFB. Just because a member of the California Council of the > Blind happen to > attend there, does not mean that ACB sponsores it or supports > it. There have > many NFB members who attend World Services for the Blind and > local chapter > of the NFB has started having its' meetings there. > > Anmol > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me > sad. > Perhaps > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, > like a breeze > among flowers. > Hellen Keller > > > --- On Fri, 12/23/11, Joshua Lester > wrote: > > From: Joshua Lester Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date: Friday, December 23, 2011, 6:05 PM > Lions World Services for the Blind, > www.lwsb.org. > They're sponsored by the Lions Club, (hence their name.) > Also, from what I gather, because of my time there, is that > they're > sponsored by the ACB, because the California Council of the > Blind sent > one of their members, to be a trainee at the center. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/23/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Is LWSB your state center? > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of > eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of > education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper > training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere > physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of > the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and > visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through > providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and > conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted > peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our > work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list > Date sent: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:06:32 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > They're part of the state. > I will say this, since you brought up Vocational > Rehab. > When I still had them, they were the ones that forced > me to > attend LWSB. > I wonder what the DSB would think about funding me, if > I wanted > to go to LCB. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > so DSB is part of your colleges's DSS > then. They can be slow. > Just stay on > them and advocate > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:06 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of > time! > > I didn't have issues with VR, because I didn't > use them much. > I only used the Division of Services for the > Blind, from the > Department of Social Services. > The VR Counselor retired, and now we don't have > VR in my state. > The Department of Services for the Blind, (of > the DSS,) is very > slow > in getting the adequate help that I need. > They won't even supply the things I need in > class. > These are the people I've been complaining about > on this list, > for months! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Joshua, > I'm confused. You met at your college or > were supposed to. But > is this > counselor your disability counselor from school > or the state > agency? > If you mean the vr agency, I sympathize with you > because I don't > get much > from my counselor either. All of them are > horrible about > communication. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:15 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of > time! > > All of the DSB people have been this way. > I'm tired of dealing with them! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn > about this woman; > she's not organized! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss > of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of > education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper > training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere > physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National > Federation of the > Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps > blind and visually impaired > youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them > through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps > and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted > peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support > our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:19:02 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I'm tired of these slow DSB people! > I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my > counselor,) but > she > didn't show up! > She called us, at the last minute, and told us > that she went to > the > campus, 30 miles away. > She Googled our college, and only saw that one, > and said she > never > thought that they'd have a campus so close to > it. > The woman also misunderstood what we said, but > instead of > calling > our > cell phone, she called our home phone. > She thought we said to meet us at the > "Community," center. > She was supposed to meet us at the student > center. > She should have called our cell, so we could > clear it up. > Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff > members, that > she > needed to meet with. > On another note, I have my Spring schedule. > I have a monday, and wednesday class, from > 6:30/9:20, wich will > keep > me out of church. > This has been a bad day! > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > info > for nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account > info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > 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In-Reply-To: References: <1324686099.3486.YahooMailClassic@web162002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <3716022918DF4C9295096E0BDE38669E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I'm proud of you for standing up for your beliefs, in that situation! We need more people like that, who will stand up for what's right. Blessings, Joshua On 12/23/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Well, Joshua, last thing I'll say. If someone pushes me to join a group that > I won't join, I ignore that and change the subject; if that does not work, I > aggressively tell them no and to leave me alone. You will find many people > in life whom you don't agree with; live with it. I had Muslims at George > mason university, GMU, say I should be a muslim because Islam was the best > way. I reject that because I'm a christian so I listened for a while and > then said no and just said something like "I need to get onto class now. > Nice meeting you, but I already have a strong faith different than yours." > That doesn't mean GMU is a bad school though or that GMU endorses ISLAM > because a few vocal muslim students were out there. > So this analogy is very flawed you draw. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Lester > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 9:04 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > I was just upset that he ogressively tried to force ACB down my throat. > At one time, I was in agreement with the accessible currency that they > wanted, but when I researched it, I wanted nothing to do with it. > The guy just kept ramming it down our throats, and I was glad to have > left after my 4 weeks were up. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/23/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> That is right Anmol. Members of both groups go there. While their rules >> and >> philosophy may not be NFB's they do have job training programs so many >> blind >> people, regardless of organization affiliation,, attend it. NFB members >> take the good with the bad I suppose. >> Joshua, just because a few ACB people go there, it does not mean ACB >> endorses it. In fact ACB endorses no center for the blind. >> It’s a private center. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Anmol Bhatia >> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 7:21 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> Just to clear some things. >> Lions World Services for the Blind is now World Services for the Blind to >> better reflect its' mission and to allow other organizations including the >> Lions Club. >> Also the World Services for the Blind is not sponsored by the ACB or the >> NFB. Just because a member of the California Council of the Blind happen >> to >> attend there, does not mean that ACB sponsores it or supports it. There >> have >> many NFB members who attend World Services for the Blind and local chapter >> of the NFB has started having its' meetings there. >> >> Anmol >> I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps >> there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze >> among flowers. >> Hellen Keller >> >> >> --- On Fri, 12/23/11, Joshua Lester >> wrote: >> >>> From: Joshua Lester >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Date: Friday, December 23, 2011, 6:05 PM >>> Lions World Services for the Blind, >>> www.lwsb.org. >>> They're sponsored by the Lions Club, (hence their name.) >>> Also, from what I gather, because of my time there, is that >>> they're >>> sponsored by the ACB, because the California Council of the >>> Blind sent >>> one of their members, to be a trainee at the center. >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 12/23/11, Chris Nusbaum >>> wrote: >>> > Is LWSB your state center? >>> > >>> > Chris >>> > >>> > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! >>> > >>> > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of >>> eyesight. The >>> > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of >>> education that >>> > exists. If a blind person has the proper >>> training and >>> > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere >>> physical >>> > nuisance." >>> > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of >>> the Blind, >>> > 1968-1986 >>> > >>> > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and >>> visually impaired youth >>> > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through >>> providing >>> > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and >>> conventions >>> > which help them be equal with their sighted >>> peers. For more >>> > information about the Foundation and to support our >>> work, visit >>> > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: Joshua Lester >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> > >> > Date sent: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:06:32 -0600 >>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>> > >>> > They're part of the state. >>> > I will say this, since you brought up Vocational >>> Rehab. >>> > When I still had them, they were the ones that forced >>> me to >>> > attend LWSB. >>> > I wonder what the DSB would think about funding me, if >>> I wanted >>> > to go to LCB. >>> > Blessings, Joshua >>> > >>> > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett >>> wrote: >>> > so DSB is part of your colleges's DSS >>> then. They can be slow. >>> > Just stay on >>> > them and advocate >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Joshua Lester >>> > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:06 PM >>> > To: National Association of Blind Students >>> mailing list >>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of >>> time! >>> > >>> > I didn't have issues with VR, because I didn't >>> use them much. >>> > I only used the Division of Services for the >>> Blind, from the >>> > Department of Social Services. >>> > The VR Counselor retired, and now we don't have >>> VR in my state. >>> > The Department of Services for the Blind, (of >>> the DSS,) is very >>> > slow >>> > in getting the adequate help that I need. >>> > They won't even supply the things I need in >>> class. >>> > These are the people I've been complaining about >>> on this list, >>> > for months! >>> > Blessings, Joshua >>> > >>> > On 12/22/11, Ashley Bramlett >>> wrote: >>> > Joshua, >>> > I'm confused. You met at your college or >>> were supposed to. But >>> > is this >>> > counselor your disability counselor from school >>> or the state >>> > agency? >>> > If you mean the vr agency, I sympathize with you >>> because I don't >>> > get much >>> > from my counselor either. All of them are >>> horrible about >>> > communication. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Joshua Lester >>> > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:15 PM >>> > To: National Association of Blind Students >>> mailing list >>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of >>> time! >>> > >>> > All of the DSB people have been this way. >>> > I'm tired of dealing with them! >>> > Blessings, Joshua >>> > >>> > On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum >>> wrote: >>> > Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn >>> about this woman; >>> > she's not organized! >>> > >>> > Chris >>> > >>> > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss >>> of eyesight. The >>> > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of >>> education that >>> > exists. If a blind person has the proper >>> training and >>> > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere >>> physical >>> > nuisance." >>> > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National >>> Federation of the >>> > Blind, >>> > 1968-1986 >>> > >>> > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps >>> blind and visually impaired >>> > youth >>> > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them >>> through providing >>> > assistive technology and scholarships to camps >>> and conventions >>> > which help them be equal with their sighted >>> peers. For more >>> > information about the Foundation and to support >>> our work, visit >>> > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: Joshua Lester >> > To: National Association of Blind Students >>> mailing list >>> > >> > Date sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:19:02 -0600 >>> > Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>> > >>> > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> > I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>> > I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my >>> counselor,) but >>> > she >>> > didn't show up! >>> > She called us, at the last minute, and told us >>> that she went to >>> > the >>> > campus, 30 miles away. >>> > She Googled our college, and only saw that one, >>> and said she >>> > never >>> > thought that they'd have a campus so close to >>> it. >>> > The woman also misunderstood what we said, but >>> instead of >>> > calling >>> > our >>> > cell phone, she called our home phone. >>> > She thought we said to meet us at the >>> "Community," center. >>> > She was supposed to meet us at the student >>> center. >>> > She should have called our cell, so we could >>> clear it up. >>> > Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff >>> members, that >>> > she >>> > needed to meet with. >>> > On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>> > I have a monday, and wednesday class, from >>> 6:30/9:20, wich will >>> > keep >>> > me out of church. >>> > This has been a bad day! >>> > Blessings, Joshua >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >>> your account >>> > info >>> > for nabs-l: >>> > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> > m%40gmail.com >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > nabs-l mailing list >>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > 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your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 07:45:57 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 02:45:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] taking a introduction computer class In-Reply-To: <03F3B887D6E04E1A95DC56C063F36E5A@OwnerPC> References: <08524E7AAC254CF79C7C2AA8440A4D20@stanford.edu> <03F3B887D6E04E1A95DC56C063F36E5A@OwnerPC> Message-ID: our assignments were of black board and this other sight. He gave his lessons on a large screen on the wall for all to see. I would just listen, maybe a few notes. and then worked on my work while he was talking and/or at home. He mainly did a review of the chapter. and we were to have the work finished before he talked about it. the book had a lot of stuff in it. It would tell you to go to your minue , then to this tab, then to this thing, etc... you just had to go and play around. most of it is stuff I already knew, the rest was easy. Most of it was stuff like describing a cel phone, computer desktop lab top, and then you had to tell what the deffenition was describing. multiple answers and fill in the blank. If you read the chapter you should do fine. and use google to look for some of the stuff if you need to. most of the class did that. but you don't really do a lot in class. Just listen. or at least that is how my class was. but in my class there were activities you had to do with making a flier about a lost dog and a pretend bank statement with XL etc... just to make sure you know how to use the stuff. We had a multiple question quiz per chapter, a fill in the blank assignment per chapter, and then a practis test. each was about 20 questions but I flew through it in 15 minutes or less most of the time, unless I was talking on the phone/skype with friends or running about, or stopped to watch tv etc while working on it.. . then every third chapter or so we had a test of about 80 questions. multiple choice and same questions on the other work. There are some extra assignments that we did and with these you will need to go to the learning center and get help. You have to do a lot with color and visual theams and stuff. It takes about 2 hours to do each project and in my book there were about 9 or 12 of them. Some might take longer or shorter. Ask your teacher about these at the first of the semester. You night not have to do this. But like I said. most of it is easy to do if you read the book. just stuff like reviewing and answering the questions about the book. The hard part was the teacher. lol. he was anutt case, never got right what it was he was trying to do in the class. He would tell us to go and do some assignments then change his mind and after most of the class had done it and told us we did not have to do it. lol. But he was nice and was really relaxed and fun in class. On 12/24/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > > lea > > I decided to take intro to computer concepts. Our instructor will lecture > and cover computer terms and theory. She uses the book Computer technology. > Our text has 15 chapters and the four exams cover this material from > lecture/book. > > Did you work with the professor to learn the keyboard commands? I did not > ask her if she used blackboard, but I don't think so. > What did the learning center do with you? Is that a center where you get > tutoring help? > > How can I follow her computer demonstrations? Just have her verbalize what > she clicks on? > The class covers the office suite: Word, powerpoint, excell, access, and > basic html. > Any more tips are welcome. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lea williams > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 8:23 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] taking a introduction computer class > > Hey I am taking this class right now. My teacher talks about the book > in class and we do our work at home through black board. It is fill in > the blanck and multiple answers. We do have to do some things that > requier you to read the book and do what it tells you to and turn it > in. I get help from the learning center for this because their is > visual stuff but, there is not a lot of this. It is easy over all. Try > to talk with your teacher at the beginning of the semester. > > On 11/15/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> As well as the regular course material, could they purchase some of the >> guides that are made specifically for JAWS users? I know that there are at >> least ones for Word and Powerpoint because I used them myself. That being >> said, though, I am not sure if they exist for the most recent versions of >> the office programs. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 2:05 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] taking a introduction computer class >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> What has been your experience taking mainstream computer classes at a >>> college? I am considering one. Its called something like introduction to >>> computer concepts and applications. It focuses on the MS office suite as >>> well as computer knowledge like terms, hardware, software, components of >>> the computer, things like that. I heard its half lecture or maybe more >>> than half lecture and the rest hands on in the lab working on a computer. >>> The lecture and book cover the computer knowledge/terms/theory and hands >>> on teaches Word, Powerpoint, internet, and some database which is Access, >>> although I’m not sure as the catolog did not specify. >>> >>> >>> How could the professor teach me these things? Explain computer commands >>> with Office short cut keys? This class is required for AA degree students >>> but I’m taking it to get more computer knowledge not only about MS office >>> but about computer operations in general. They will install jaws 12 upon >>> request, but professors know nothing about jaws, other than clicking the >>> icon to turn it on. So I’m on my own for jaws commands. >>> Maybe I can work with the instructor in office hours but I’d like to get >>> the most out of class. >>> >>> I know the past blind students worked closely with the professor for >>> help. >>> >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 Twitter http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 11:23:18 2011 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 06:23:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] taking a introduction computer class In-Reply-To: <03F3B887D6E04E1A95DC56C063F36E5A@OwnerPC> References: <08524E7AAC254CF79C7C2AA8440A4D20@stanford.edu> <03F3B887D6E04E1A95DC56C063F36E5A@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <2A298D52-1F71-4D57-9CB1-B8D9D8027421@gmail.com> You might consider getting the NBP books on Word, Excel, and I believe they have one on Powerrpoint, but I could be mistaken. The books teach keyboard commands, so they may be good companions to your course Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2011, at 12:27 AM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > > lea > > I decided to take intro to computer concepts. Our instructor will lecture and cover computer terms and theory. She uses the book Computer technology. > Our text has 15 chapters and the four exams cover this material from lecture/book. > > Did you work with the professor to learn the keyboard commands? I did not ask her if she used blackboard, but I don't think so. > What did the learning center do with you? Is that a center where you get tutoring help? > > How can I follow her computer demonstrations? Just have her verbalize what she clicks on? > The class covers the office suite: Word, powerpoint, excell, access, and basic html. > Any more tips are welcome. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Lea williams > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 8:23 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] taking a introduction computer class > > Hey I am taking this class right now. My teacher talks about the book > in class and we do our work at home through black board. It is fill in > the blanck and multiple answers. We do have to do some things that > requier you to read the book and do what it tells you to and turn it > in. I get help from the learning center for this because their is > visual stuff but, there is not a lot of this. It is easy over all. Try > to talk with your teacher at the beginning of the semester. > > On 11/15/11, Nicole B. Torcolini at Home wrote: >> As well as the regular course material, could they purchase some of the >> guides that are made specifically for JAWS users? I know that there are at >> least ones for Word and Powerpoint because I used them myself. That being >> said, though, I am not sure if they exist for the most recent versions of >> the office programs. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 2:05 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] taking a introduction computer class >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> What has been your experience taking mainstream computer classes at a >>> college? I am considering one. Its called something like introduction to >>> computer concepts and applications. It focuses on the MS office suite as >>> well as computer knowledge like terms, hardware, software, components of >>> the computer, things like that. I heard its half lecture or maybe more >>> than half lecture and the rest hands on in the lab working on a computer. >>> The lecture and book cover the computer knowledge/terms/theory and hands >>> on teaches Word, Powerpoint, internet, and some database which is Access, >>> although I’m not sure as the catolog did not specify. >>> >>> >>> How could the professor teach me these things? Explain computer commands >>> with Office short cut keys? This class is required for AA degree students >>> but I’m taking it to get more computer knowledge not only about MS office >>> but about computer operations in general. They will install jaws 12 upon >>> request, but professors know nothing about jaws, other than clicking the >>> icon to turn it on. So I’m on my own for jaws commands. >>> Maybe I can work with the instructor in office hours but I’d like to get >>> the most out of class. >>> >>> I know the past blind students worked closely with the professor for help. >>> >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ntorcolini%40wavecable.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 13:33:47 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 14:33:47 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: <4ef51421.4abee00a.712c.ffffb3a3@mx.google.com> References: <4ef51421.4abee00a.712c.ffffb3a3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3385163740654223816@unknownmsgid> Have you tried reinstalling jaws? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2011, at 12:55 AM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Well, you don't have to, do you? > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:15:38 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > All of the DSB people have been this way. > I'm tired of dealing with them! > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn about this woman; > she's not organized! > > Chris > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Lester To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:19:02 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! > > Hi, it's Joshua Lester. > I'm tired of these slow DSB people! > I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she > didn't show up! > She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to > the > campus, 30 miles away. > She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she > never > thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. > The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling > our > cell phone, she called our home phone. > She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. > She was supposed to meet us at the student center. > She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. > Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that > she > needed to meet with. > On another note, I have my Spring schedule. > I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will > keep > me out of church. > This has been a bad day! > Blessings, Joshua > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 15:51:12 2011 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 08:51:12 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers Message-ID: Hi all, I have not attended LWSB in Arkansas, but havve heard some things about it from a few graduates. So, someone please correct me if anything I say about the center is incorrect, as I would like to learn more and b able to give people accurate information. Based on what I have heard from graduates, my impression is that LWSB/World Services for the Blind is a center that specializes in technical training for some specific types of jobs, like being an IRS collector or a small engine repair person. This kind of training is important, but it is not the same thing as the kind of comprehensive blindness skill training provided at NFB centers. While LWSB/World Services does provide training in blindness skills as well, my impression is that this general training is much less beneficial than the general skills training provided at NFB centers, and other centers that house students in apartments. While I can't comment on LWSB's philosophy, I do know that LWSB houses students in dormitories and that they dine in a cafeteria. In my opinion this kind of living environment is not very helpful for teaching blindness skills. Skills need to be practiced in order to be mastered, and apartment living affords opportunities to practice cooking, cleaning and other skills in a variety of real-world situations. Apartment living also affords opportunities to build confidence. Furthermore, I am not sure how much LWSB students are allowed or encouraged to travel off center premises on their own or in groups. This kind of real-world travel is an essential part of the training experience at NFB centers. So, I believe that if you are looking for technical training in a specific job field, LWSB/World Services might be an option worth considering. However, if you are looking for basic training in travel, home management, computers and Braille, or just want to build your overall confidence and independent functioning, I would highly recommend looking for a center that houses students in apartments and that allows students to get out and travel on their own during free time. If you have some vision but suspect you may eventually need to function with less or no sight, then picking a center that uses sleepshades may also be a priority. The NFB centers all meet these criteria, but there are also some state-run and private centers that do. So do your homework and ask about these things before making your choice. I make these suggestions based on my own experience at an NFB center, LCB, and based on conversations I have had with dozens of graduates from various kinds of training centers. I would be happy to talk further by email or phone (see contact info below) if you have more specific questions. Best, Arielle Silverman, Past NABS President and Board Member 602-502-2255 arielle71 at gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Dec 24 16:58:16 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:58:16 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You're right on everything about the place. They also have an elder care program, where they take care of elderly blind people, and teach them skills that they didn't learn before. Blessings, Joshua On 12/24/11, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > I have not attended LWSB in Arkansas, but havve heard some things > about it from a few graduates. So, someone please correct me if > anything I say about the center is incorrect, as I would like to learn > more and b able to give people accurate information. > Based on what I have heard from graduates, my impression is that > LWSB/World Services for the Blind is a center that specializes in > technical training for some specific types of jobs, like being an IRS > collector or a small engine repair person. This kind of training is > important, but it is not the same thing as the kind of comprehensive > blindness skill training provided at NFB centers. While LWSB/World > Services does provide training in blindness skills as well, my > impression is that this general training is much less beneficial than > the general skills training provided at NFB centers, and other centers > that house students in apartments. While I can't comment on LWSB's > philosophy, I do know that LWSB houses students in dormitories and > that they dine in a cafeteria. In my opinion this kind of living > environment is not very helpful for teaching blindness skills. Skills > need to be practiced in order to be mastered, and apartment living > affords opportunities to practice cooking, cleaning and other skills > in a variety of real-world situations. Apartment living also affords > opportunities to build confidence. Furthermore, I am not sure how much > LWSB students are allowed or encouraged to travel off center premises > on their own or in groups. This kind of real-world travel is an > essential part of the training experience at NFB centers. > So, I believe that if you are looking for technical training in a > specific job field, LWSB/World Services might be an option worth > considering. However, if you are looking for basic training in travel, > home management, computers and Braille, or just want to build your > overall confidence and independent functioning, I would highly > recommend looking for a center that houses students in apartments and > that allows students to get out and travel on their own during free > time. If you have some vision but suspect you may eventually need to > function with less or no sight, then picking a center that uses > sleepshades may also be a priority. The NFB centers all meet these > criteria, but there are also some state-run and private centers that > do. So do your homework and ask about these things before making your > choice. > I make these suggestions based on my own experience at an NFB center, > LCB, and based on conversations I have had with dozens of graduates > from various kinds of training centers. I would be happy to talk > further by email or phone (see contact info below) if you have more > specific questions. > Best, > Arielle Silverman, Past NABS President and Board Member > 602-502-2255 > arielle71 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Dec 24 17:00:30 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 11:00:30 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: <3385163740654223816@unknownmsgid> References: <4ef51421.4abee00a.712c.ffffb3a3@mx.google.com> <3385163740654223816@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: I don't know if the question was directed to me, or not. I'll have my tech support guy install NVDA, because it's free, and from what I gather, it's better than Jaws. Blessings, Joshua On 12/24/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > Have you tried reinstalling jaws? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 24, 2011, at 12:55 AM, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: > >> Well, you don't have to, do you? >> >> Chris >> >> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a >> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be >> reduced to a mere physical nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, >> 1968-1986 >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in >> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive >> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be >> equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation >> and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:15:38 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> All of the DSB people have been this way. >> I'm tired of dealing with them! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn about this woman; >> she's not organized! >> >> Chris >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, >> 1968-1986 >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth >> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing >> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions >> which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more >> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit >> us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Lester > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:19:02 -0600 >> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >> >> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >> didn't show up! >> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to >> the >> campus, 30 miles away. >> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she >> never >> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling >> our >> cell phone, she called our home phone. >> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that >> she >> needed to meet with. >> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will >> keep >> me out of church. >> This has been a bad day! >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >> 0students.pccua.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Dec 24 17:29:29 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 12:29:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1AEBE505A8894BF0AF6BE15FF362DC79@OwnerPC> Hi Arielle, Nice post. I liked how you did not put down the center, but did mention its weaknesses. I will add a few things from talking to a few attendees from LWSb. You are correct that LWSB offers independence training, but probably not to the degree NFB centers do. Each applicant goes for a 30 day evaluation in all the rehab skills; I think that is a bit long, but that is it. They recommend what skills to work on from there. If a applicant is ready to go into the vocational programs, they do so if they meet those requirements. Things like having a certain score on the Wonderlik test, a certain typing speed, computer proficiency, and strong writtin communication skills are some requirements. The requirements vary from program to program. You have to have a four year college degree for any of the four IRS training programs. I know the IRS really does hire applicants. When I was at a job fair, I ran into an IRS rep that mentioned they just hired a bunch of IRS trainees from lions World. Other training options are: • Desktop support technician- prepares students for entry level IT technician jobs • Assistive technology instructor • Microsoft office Specialist - prepares one for office jobs, to pass the Microsoft certification exams, and covers office suite applications • Microsoft certified professional developer – training to be a computer programmer • Microsoft computer systems engineer – entry level help desk training So if you wanted to go into a technical field, LWSB might be an option. If its not helpful, you can always leave. If you wanted to work for the IRS such as a tax collection rep, then this might be an option. They find you a job after training. For the living and going off campus, here is what I know. Students generally go to the cafeteria and live in the dorm. However, if you already demonstrated independent living skills, they do have off campus apartments. I think they have a shuttle taking students to and from the apartments, if I recall correctly. Students can go off campus. They just need to sign out and in. They can go in groups or alone. Some centers have a clearance rule, meaning you have to be cleared by O&M staff, but lwsb does not say this. I heard LWSb got a new director. So I imagine rules and policies are changing, hopefully for the better. So if you wanted to go into those vocations they train in, might be worth considering. Then when you have a job interview, you would have more training than sighted people might have. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:51 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers Hi all, I have not attended LWSB in Arkansas, but havve heard some things about it from a few graduates. So, someone please correct me if anything I say about the center is incorrect, as I would like to learn more and b able to give people accurate information. Based on what I have heard from graduates, my impression is that LWSB/World Services for the Blind is a center that specializes in technical training for some specific types of jobs, like being an IRS collector or a small engine repair person. This kind of training is important, but it is not the same thing as the kind of comprehensive blindness skill training provided at NFB centers. While LWSB/World Services does provide training in blindness skills as well, my impression is that this general training is much less beneficial than the general skills training provided at NFB centers, and other centers that house students in apartments. While I can't comment on LWSB's philosophy, I do know that LWSB houses students in dormitories and that they dine in a cafeteria. In my opinion this kind of living environment is not very helpful for teaching blindness skills. Skills need to be practiced in order to be mastered, and apartment living affords opportunities to practice cooking, cleaning and other skills in a variety of real-world situations. Apartment living also affords opportunities to build confidence. Furthermore, I am not sure how much LWSB students are allowed or encouraged to travel off center premises on their own or in groups. This kind of real-world travel is an essential part of the training experience at NFB centers. So, I believe that if you are looking for technical training in a specific job field, LWSB/World Services might be an option worth considering. However, if you are looking for basic training in travel, home management, computers and Braille, or just want to build your overall confidence and independent functioning, I would highly recommend looking for a center that houses students in apartments and that allows students to get out and travel on their own during free time. If you have some vision but suspect you may eventually need to function with less or no sight, then picking a center that uses sleepshades may also be a priority. The NFB centers all meet these criteria, but there are also some state-run and private centers that do. So do your homework and ask about these things before making your choice. I make these suggestions based on my own experience at an NFB center, LCB, and based on conversations I have had with dozens of graduates from various kinds of training centers. I would be happy to talk further by email or phone (see contact info below) if you have more specific questions. Best, Arielle Silverman, Past NABS President and Board Member 602-502-2255 arielle71 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From hope.paulos at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 19:29:47 2011 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 14:29:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Marc C are you on this list? Message-ID: Hi all. I'm looking for Mark C. Hopefully you're on this list. If not, I am sorry. Sincerely, Hope Paulos and Fidelco's Beignet From ignasicambra at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 19:31:51 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 20:31:51 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! In-Reply-To: References: <4ef51421.4abee00a.712c.ffffb3a3@mx.google.com> <3385163740654223816@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <3223922437849263986@unknownmsgid> Install it yourself! It's so easy! Don't waste his time! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2011, at 6:01 PM, Joshua Lester wrote: > I don't know if the question was directed to me, or not. > I'll have my tech support guy install NVDA, because it's free, and > from what I gather, it's better than Jaws. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/24/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: >> Have you tried reinstalling jaws? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Dec 24, 2011, at 12:55 AM, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >> >>> Well, you don't have to, do you? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real >>> problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a >>> blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be >>> reduced to a mere physical nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, >>> 1968-1986 >>> >>> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in >>> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive >>> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be >>> equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation >>> and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Date sent: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:15:38 -0600 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>> >>> All of the DSB people have been this way. >>> I'm tired of dealing with them! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> On 12/22/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn about this woman; >>> she's not organized! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, >>> 1968-1986 >>> >>> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth >>> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing >>> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions >>> which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more >>> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit >>> us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joshua Lester >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:19:02 -0600 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! >>> >>> Hi, it's Joshua Lester. >>> I'm tired of these slow DSB people! >>> I went to the college, to meet Ms Audrey, (my counselor,) but she >>> didn't show up! >>> She called us, at the last minute, and told us that she went to >>> the >>> campus, 30 miles away. >>> She Googled our college, and only saw that one, and said she >>> never >>> thought that they'd have a campus so close to it. >>> The woman also misunderstood what we said, but instead of calling >>> our >>> cell phone, she called our home phone. >>> She thought we said to meet us at the "Community," center. >>> She was supposed to meet us at the student center. >>> She should have called our cell, so we could clear it up. >>> Anyway, we're about to have her E-mail the staff members, that >>> she >>> needed to meet with. >>> On another note, I have my Spring schedule. >>> I have a monday, and wednesday class, from 6:30/9:20, wich will >>> keep >>> me out of church. >>> This has been a bad day! >>> Blessings, Joshua >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 >>> 0students.pccua.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From kramc11 at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 19:47:19 2011 From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 14:47:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Marc C are you on this list? References: Message-ID: <233A19F433BA48988919448E3E55F28B@cadiganpc> My name is Mark, and my last name starts with C. so, if you are looking for me, hear I am. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Dec 25 23:09:08 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 18:09:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] DSB meeting, a waste of time! Message-ID: <4ef7ad2b.45c3e00a.37ec.7894@mx.google.com> I agree! Joshua, I'll email you off-list with instructions. It's very easy to do. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Ignasi Cambra wrote: I don't know if the question was directed to me, or not. I'll have my tech support guy install NVDA, because it's free, and from what I gather, it's better than Jaws. Blessings, Joshua On 12/24/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: Have you tried reinstalling jaws? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2011, at 12:55 AM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: Wow! What a waste of time! OK, lesson to learn about this woman; she's not organized! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester Message-ID: <1324902704.11842.YahooMailClassic@web162003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Chris, Since I am a and have been a international student for a while and because I am also blind, I would most likely be one of the best sources on this subject. As you pointed out that opening a rehab case will most likely not be possible. Because the goal of rehab is to get the person employed and as international students there is know certainly if that can happen due to the strict immigration process which I will not get into this list but would be happy to discuss with anyone off list. In addition, your friend will be returning back to his country in a semester so it would not be a good investment for rehab. Some university disability offices have note taking devices or other technology that students can check out. Every state has a loan program or agency like the ICAN in Arkansas who loan out technology to allow the person to check out the peace of technology for 6 weeks to see if they want to buy it. Besides talking with the disability office, I would contact the technology section of your rehabilitation agency to discuss this situation. Its always a good try. In addition, there is a blind international students mailing list on the NFB. Its not vary active, but its there. So maybe your friend may be interested in joining or you. You do not have to be a international student to join. Also Mobility International USA may be a good source. This organization promotes international development for people with disabilities and besides promoting study abroad opportunities for people with disabilities, they have vast amount of information for international students with disabilities studying in the United States. There webcite is www.miusa.org thanks Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Fri, 12/16/11, Chris Parsons wrote: > From: Chris Parsons > Subject: [nabs-l] Services for international students > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Friday, December 16, 2011, 3:54 PM > Hi all, > > I am working with an international graduate student, and he > asked me today how he could obtain a notetaker to use for > his studies while he is in the United States. I immediately > thought of RSB, but I don’t know if or how that works with > international students. Also, he is only going to be here > until the end of next semester, so going through the process > of opening a case of any kind, even if it were possible, > would probably not be practical. I then thought of some type > of loan program. I am going to research that option further, > but I thought I’d ask here too and see if any of you have > any suggestions. I have only just started working with him, > so I don’t know any more specific information than this. > Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From carlymih at earthlink.net Mon Dec 26 21:34:08 2011 From: carlymih at earthlink.net (Carly) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 13:34:08 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Services for international students In-Reply-To: <1324902704.11842.YahooMailClassic@web162003.mail.bf1.yahoo .com> References: <8E09E999337845A691D3F23E2F8616DC@ChristineTHINK> <1324902704.11842.YahooMailClassic@web162003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20111226133111.01d546c8@earthlink.net> Good afternoon, Anmol, Perhaps rehab may not be so much of a sound resource yet, I understand there may be private, scholarships specifically meant for internationals. Look into that, at your school''s resource center, or Online. C. At 04:31 AM 12/26/2011, Anmol Bhatia wrote: >Chris, Since I am a and have been a >international student for a while and because I >am also blind, I would most likely be one of the >best sources on this subject. As you pointed out >that opening a rehab case will most likely not >be possible. Because the goal of rehab is to get >the person employed and as international >students there is know certainly if that can >happen due to the strict immigration process >which I will not get into this list but would be >happy to discuss with anyone off list. In >addition, your friend will be returning back to >his country in a semester so it would not be a >good investment for rehab. Some university >disability offices have note taking devices or >other technology that students can check out. >Every state has a loan program or agency like >the ICAN in Arkansas who loan out technology to >allow the person to check out the peace of >technology for 6 weeks to see if they want to >buy it. Besides talking with the disability >office, I would contact the technology section >of your rehabilitation agency to discuss this >situation. Its always a good try. In addition, >there is a blind international students mailing >list on the NFB. Its not vary active, but its >there. So maybe your friend may be interested in >joining or you. You do not have to be a >international student to join. Also Mobility >International USA may be a good source. This >organization promotes international development >for people with disabilities and besides >promoting study abroad opportunities for people >with disabilities, they have vast amount of >information for international students with >disabilities studying in the United States. >There webcite is www.miusa.org thanks Anmol I >seldom think about my limitations, and they >never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch >of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a >breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Fri, >12/16/11, Chris Parsons > wrote: > From: >Chris Parsons > > Subject: >[nabs-l] Services for international students > >To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date: Friday, December >16, 2011, 3:54 PM > Hi all, > > I am working >with an international graduate student, and he > >asked me today how he could obtain a notetaker >to use for > his studies while he is in the >United States. I immediately > thought of RSB, >but I don’t know if or how that works with > >international students. Also, he is only going >to be here > until the end of next semester, so >going through the process > of opening a case of >any kind, even if it were possible, > would >probably not be practical. I then thought of >some type > of loan program. I am going to >research that option further, > but I thought >I’d ask here too and see if any of you have > >any suggestions. I have only just started >working with him, > so I don’t know any more >specific information than this. > Any thoughts >or suggestions would be appreciated. > > Chris > >_______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your > account info for nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Mon Dec 26 21:55:55 2011 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 13:55:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [nabs-l] Services for international students In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20111226133111.01d546c8@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1324936555.60347.YahooMailClassic@web162004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> That is true and a good resource may be www.miusa.org There is a section for scholarships that international students with disability studying in the United States qualify for. Like you said perhaps there may be some private scholarship eather through the university or outside, but to be honest there are not to many scholarships that international students qualify for and for the few there is alot of competition. Most scholarships will usually only pay for studies but it is worth looking into. Money is usually a problem for almost all international students. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Mon, 12/26/11, Carly wrote: > From: Carly > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Services for international students > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" , "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date: Monday, December 26, 2011, 3:34 PM > > Good afternoon, Anmol, > > Perhaps rehab may not be so much of a sound resource yet, I > understand there may be private, scholarships specifically > meant for internationals. Look into that, at your school''s > resource center, or Online. > > C. At 04:31 AM 12/26/2011, Anmol Bhatia wrote: > > Chris, Since I am a and have been a international > student for a while and because I am also blind, I would > most likely be one of the best sources on this subject. As > you pointed out that opening a rehab case will most likely > not be possible. Because the goal of rehab is to get the > person employed and as international students there is know > certainly if that can happen due to the strict immigration > process which I will not get into this list but would be > happy to discuss with anyone off list. In addition, your > friend will be returning back to his country in a semester > so it would not be a good investment for rehab. Some > university disability offices have note taking devices or > other technology that students can check out. Every state > has a loan program or agency like the ICAN in Arkansas who > loan out technology to allow the person to check out the > peace of technology for 6 weeks to see if they want to buy > it. Besides talking with the disability office, I would > contact the technology section of your rehabilitation agency > to discuss this situation. Its always a good try. In > addition, there is a blind international students mailing > list on the NFB. Its not vary active, but its there. So > maybe your friend may be interested in joining or you. You > do not have to be a international student to join. Also > Mobility International USA may be a good source. This > organization promotes international development for people > with disabilities and besides promoting study abroad > opportunities for people with disabilities, they have vast > amount of information for international students with > disabilities studying in the United States. There webcite is > www.miusa.org thanks Anmol I seldom think about my > limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is > just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a > breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Fri, 12/16/11, > Chris Parsons > wrote: > From: Chris Parsons > > Subject: [nabs-l] Services for international students > > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > Date: Friday, December 16, 2011, 3:54 PM > Hi all, > > > I am working with an international graduate > student, and he > asked me today how he could obtain a > notetaker to use for > his studies while he is in the > United States. I immediately > thought of RSB, but I > don’t know if or how that works with > > international students. Also, he is only going to be here > > until the end of next semester, so going through the > process > of opening a case of any kind, even if it were > possible, > would probably not be practical. I then > thought of some type > of loan program. I am going to > research that option further, > but I thought I’d > ask here too and see if any of you have > any > suggestions. I have only just started working with him, > > so I don’t know any more specific information than > this. > Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. > > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ >  > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org  > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > > account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com  > > _______________________________________________ nabs-l > mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To > unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From amylsabo at comcast.net Tue Dec 27 07:20:11 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 00:20:11 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: BISM Job Postings In-Reply-To: <4ef3e93c.0849e00a.4172.ffffa4c8@mx.google.com> References: <4ef3e93c.0849e00a.4172.ffffa4c8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000001ccc467$f8f7d990$eae78cb0$@comcast.net> Yes, that's true chris but, I don't have all of the qualifications for the positions plus there are some personal/professional problems that would also affect this me in getting this position as well too! Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 7:36 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: BISM Job Postings You live in Colorado, right? Well, if you got the job, that would be cool... you'd get to move to MD! Chris "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Sabo" cdavis at bism.org. If you should have any questions about BISM our CORE departments growth or the three jobs we are looking to fill please do not hesitate to call me at 410-737-2638 or 888-322-4567. Please feel free to share this email with anyone you know that would be a good addition to the BISM Team. Sincerely, Christina Christina T. Davis Senior Director Blind Industries & Services of Maryland 3345 Washington Boulevard Baltimore, MD 21227 410-737-2638 or 888-322-4567 cdavis at bism.org www.bism.org "BISM positively changes people's attitudes about blindness" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net From amylsabo at comcast.net Tue Dec 27 16:44:46 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 09:44:46 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] converting music Message-ID: <000901ccc4b6$d80303f0$88090bd0$@comcast.net> Hello all, I hope that everyone had a good Christmas and, is looking forward to the new year! Well, I got some brand new music for Christmas thanks to my friends and my sister and, I wanted to play some music and, well, it's not in mp3 format. I tried converting it in express rip but, it only works for ripping albums into that format. I then tried to convert the wma files into mp3 format in goldwave and, well again it wouldn't work. So, I was wondering if any of you could help me out in how I can convert these files of music into mp3 format from wma? What software can I use besides the ones I just described below and, are they accessible with jaws? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again and, I will talk to you all soon! Hugs, amy From rloew at ETS.ORG Tue Dec 27 16:54:35 2011 From: rloew at ETS.ORG (Loew, Ruth) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 08:54:35 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Message-ID: <216E26F886846C4291CFEB500A05DAF802ED24789D@VA3DIAXVS9E1.RED001.local> Hi, Gloria. For the self-voicing computer-based GRE General Test, there's a free practice test that gives a score for the multiple-choice sections. It's not online, though; you have to request it from Disability Services, our customer service area. Here's their contact info: Monday - Friday 8:30 a.m. to 5 p.m. Eastern Time (New York) Phone: 1-609-771-7780 or 1-866-387-8602 (toll-free for test takers in the United States, American Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands and Canada) E-mail: stassd at ets.org TTY: 1-609-771-7714 Fax: 1-609-771-7165 Mail: ETS Disability Services PO Box 6054 Princeton, NJ 08541-6054 There are lots of other accessible practice materials for the GRE General Test, though these don't give scores. See http://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/prepare/disabilities for accessible practice materials. There are 8 different subject tests, too. They are listed here: http://www.ets.org/gre/subject/prepare/. You will need to take one or more of these if you're applying to programs that require them. You'll have to find out what the individual graduate departments and programs require. Some accessible practice materials for these are in stock, and if you need a format that's not now in stock, we'll make it on request. Please contact Disability Services (see above) for accessible practice materials for the GRE Subject Tests. I hope this helps. Happy New Year, everyone! Feel free to contact me on- or off-list if you have questions. Ruth C. Loew, Ph.D. Assistant Director Office of Disability Policy, ETS rloew at ets.org ---------------------------------original message--------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:28:45 -0600 From: "Gloria G" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE Message-ID: <9D55B629C0164AD2A7F0EE202BD04CCD at Gloria> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi, Do you know if this cite offers a free GRE test that students cn take and receive there score? I am a psych and sociology major, is there a different GRE I would have to take? I don't mean to sound ignorent, but I have heard there are different types of GRE tests. From alexandera.castillo at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 18:18:00 2011 From: alexandera.castillo at gmail.com (Alexander Castillo) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:18:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE In-Reply-To: <216E26F886846C4291CFEB500A05DAF802ED24789D@VA3DIAXVS9E1.RED001.local> References: <216E26F886846C4291CFEB500A05DAF802ED24789D@VA3DIAXVS9E1.RED001.local> Message-ID: Hello Robbie, in terms of which schools require GRE exams and which schools do not, is a matter of researching the particular program which you will be applying to. I personally do not think that GRE scores are required only at better institutions, rather, it depends on the particular program. For example, NYU's MA program in mental health counseling does not require GRE scores. But there are other schools, which may not be as well known which do. NYU has a pretty good program.... So it all depends on what you want to do. If you know exactly where you want to do your graduate work, and you know it does not require GRE scores, than there would be no need for you to take the test. I would not recommend submitting something other than the GRE if it is required, sso if your program requires it, simply prepare for the exam and take it. I have come across more graduate programs which require it, so it is a wise choice to take the exam if you are not sure where you are headed for graduate work. The GRE has changed and you should know that right now, the accessible voiced GRE is not the newer version of the exam. So when you make the choice for your accommodations, make sure you note that if you choose the accessible exam, you will need to have study material for the older GRE test and not the new one. The practice software for the voiced GRE from what I know, only runs on Windows XP machines. Make sure you give yourself enough time to prep for the exam, and also enough time to make all accommodations, as this is not an overnight process, and you want to feel comforttable with the test taking experience. Thanks for reading, Alex On 12/27/11, Loew, Ruth wrote: > Hi, Gloria. > > For the self-voicing computer-based GRE General Test, there's a free > practice test that gives a score for the multiple-choice sections. It's not > online, though; you have to request it from Disability Services, our > customer service area. Here's their contact info: > > > Monday - Friday 8:30 a.m. to 5 p.m. Eastern Time (New York) > Phone: > 1-609-771-7780 or 1-866-387-8602 (toll-free for test takers in the United > States, American Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands and Canada) > E-mail: > stassd at ets.org > TTY: > 1-609-771-7714 > Fax: > 1-609-771-7165 > Mail: > ETS Disability Services > PO Box 6054 > Princeton, NJ 08541-6054 > > > There are lots of other accessible practice materials for the GRE General > Test, though these don't give scores. See > http://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/prepare/disabilities for accessible > practice materials. > > There are 8 different subject tests, too. They are listed here: > http://www.ets.org/gre/subject/prepare/. You will need to take one or more > of these if you're applying to programs that require them. You'll have to > find out what the individual graduate departments and programs require. > Some accessible practice materials for these are in stock, and if you need a > format that's not now in stock, we'll make it on request. Please contact > Disability Services (see above) for accessible practice materials for the > GRE Subject Tests. > > I hope this helps. Happy New Year, everyone! Feel free to contact me on- > or off-list if you have questions. > > Ruth C. Loew, Ph.D. > Assistant Director > Office of Disability Policy, ETS > rloew at ets.org > ---------------------------------original > message--------------------------------------------------------- > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:28:45 -0600 > From: "Gloria G" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE > Message-ID: <9D55B629C0164AD2A7F0EE202BD04CCD at Gloria> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi, > Do you know if this cite offers a free GRE test that students cn take and > receive there score? I am a psych and sociology major, is there a different > GRE I would have to take? I don't mean to sound ignorent, but I have heard > there are different types of GRE tests. > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alexandera.castillo%40gmail.com > From zach2012 at chickerland.com Tue Dec 27 18:37:37 2011 From: zach2012 at chickerland.com (Zach) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 11:37:37 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] converting music In-Reply-To: <000901ccc4b6$d80303f0$88090bd0$@comcast.net> References: <000901ccc4b6$d80303f0$88090bd0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: use www.online-convert.com -----Original Message----- From: Amy Sabo Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:44 AM To: PERFORMING ARTS DIVISION Cc: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS Subject: [nabs-l] converting music Hello all, I hope that everyone had a good Christmas and, is looking forward to the new year! Well, I got some brand new music for Christmas thanks to my friends and my sister and, I wanted to play some music and, well, it's not in mp3 format. I tried converting it in express rip but, it only works for ripping albums into that format. I then tried to convert the wma files into mp3 format in goldwave and, well again it wouldn't work. So, I was wondering if any of you could help me out in how I can convert these files of music into mp3 format from wma? What software can I use besides the ones I just described below and, are they accessible with jaws? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again and, I will talk to you all soon! Hugs, amy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zach2012%40chickerland.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Dec 27 18:40:49 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:40:49 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] converting music In-Reply-To: References: <000901ccc4b6$d80303f0$88090bd0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: What about www.zamzer.com? That's what one of my friends told me, on another list. Blessings, Joshua On 12/27/11, Zach wrote: > use www.online-convert.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Sabo > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:44 AM > To: PERFORMING ARTS DIVISION > Cc: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS > Subject: [nabs-l] converting music > > Hello all, > > I hope that everyone had a good Christmas and, is looking forward > to the new year! Well, I got some brand new music for Christmas > thanks to my friends and my sister and, I wanted to play some > music and, well, it's not in mp3 format. I tried converting it in > express rip but, it only works for ripping albums into that > format. I then tried to convert the wma files into mp3 format in > goldwave and, well again it wouldn't work. > > So, I was wondering if any of you could help me out in how I can > convert these files of music into mp3 format from wma? What > software can I use besides the ones I just described below and, > are they accessible with jaws? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again and, I will > talk to you all soon! > > > > > Hugs, > amy > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zach2012%40chickerland.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From amylsabo at comcast.net Tue Dec 27 19:04:25 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:04:25 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] converting music In-Reply-To: References: <000901ccc4b6$d80303f0$88090bd0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000001ccc4ca$5a4a5300$0edef900$@comcast.net> Hello, Is this accessible with jaws and, is it free or do I have to purchase this software? Thanks, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:41 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] converting music What about www.zamzer.com? That's what one of my friends told me, on another list. Blessings, Joshua On 12/27/11, Zach wrote: > use www.online-convert.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Sabo > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:44 AM > To: PERFORMING ARTS DIVISION > Cc: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS > Subject: [nabs-l] converting music > > Hello all, > > I hope that everyone had a good Christmas and, is looking forward > to the new year! Well, I got some brand new music for Christmas > thanks to my friends and my sister and, I wanted to play some > music and, well, it's not in mp3 format. I tried converting it in > express rip but, it only works for ripping albums into that > format. I then tried to convert the wma files into mp3 format in > goldwave and, well again it wouldn't work. > > So, I was wondering if any of you could help me out in how I can > convert these files of music into mp3 format from wma? What > software can I use besides the ones I just described below and, > are they accessible with jaws? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again and, I will > talk to you all soon! > > > > > Hugs, > amy > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zach2012%40ch ickerland.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 19:06:16 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 14:06:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] converting music In-Reply-To: References: <000901ccc4b6$d80303f0$88090bd0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Joshua, I've never heard of that site. How does it work? Chris On 12/27/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > What about www.zamzer.com? > That's what one of my friends told me, on another list. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/27/11, Zach wrote: >> use www.online-convert.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Amy Sabo >> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:44 AM >> To: PERFORMING ARTS DIVISION >> Cc: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS >> Subject: [nabs-l] converting music >> >> Hello all, >> >> I hope that everyone had a good Christmas and, is looking forward >> to the new year! Well, I got some brand new music for Christmas >> thanks to my friends and my sister and, I wanted to play some >> music and, well, it's not in mp3 format. I tried converting it in >> express rip but, it only works for ripping albums into that >> format. I then tried to convert the wma files into mp3 format in >> goldwave and, well again it wouldn't work. >> >> So, I was wondering if any of you could help me out in how I can >> convert these files of music into mp3 format from wma? What >> software can I use besides the ones I just described below and, >> are they accessible with jaws? >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again and, I will >> talk to you all soon! >> >> >> >> >> Hugs, >> amy >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zach2012%40chickerland.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From kobycox at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 19:07:19 2011 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:07:19 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] converting music In-Reply-To: <000001ccc4ca$5a4a5300$0edef900$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4FB93F38875C44FF826AEF6C8813A129@OwnerPC> Amy, Can you please email me off list? My email address is as follows: kobycox at gmail.com. Thanks, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sabo Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 1:04 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] converting music Hello, Is this accessible with jaws and, is it free or do I have to purchase this software? Thanks, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:41 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] converting music What about www.zamzer.com? That's what one of my friends told me, on another list. Blessings, Joshua On 12/27/11, Zach wrote: > use www.online-convert.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Sabo > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:44 AM > To: PERFORMING ARTS DIVISION > Cc: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS > Subject: [nabs-l] converting music > > Hello all, > > I hope that everyone had a good Christmas and, is looking forward > to the new year! Well, I got some brand new music for Christmas > thanks to my friends and my sister and, I wanted to play some > music and, well, it's not in mp3 format. I tried converting it in > express rip but, it only works for ripping albums into that > format. I then tried to convert the wma files into mp3 format in > goldwave and, well again it wouldn't work. > > So, I was wondering if any of you could help me out in how I can > convert these files of music into mp3 format from wma? What > software can I use besides the ones I just described below and, > are they accessible with jaws? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again and, I will > talk to you all soon! > > > > > Hugs, > amy > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zach2012%40ch ickerland.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.925 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4105 - Release Date: 12/26/11 13:34:00 From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Dec 27 19:10:35 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:10:35 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] converting music In-Reply-To: References: <000901ccc4b6$d80303f0$88090bd0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Chris, and Amy, I'll E-mail both of you offlist. Blessings, Joshua On 12/27/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > I've never heard of that site. How does it work? > > Chris > > On 12/27/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> What about www.zamzer.com? >> That's what one of my friends told me, on another list. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/27/11, Zach wrote: >>> use www.online-convert.com >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Amy Sabo >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:44 AM >>> To: PERFORMING ARTS DIVISION >>> Cc: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS >>> Subject: [nabs-l] converting music >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I hope that everyone had a good Christmas and, is looking forward >>> to the new year! Well, I got some brand new music for Christmas >>> thanks to my friends and my sister and, I wanted to play some >>> music and, well, it's not in mp3 format. I tried converting it in >>> express rip but, it only works for ripping albums into that >>> format. I then tried to convert the wma files into mp3 format in >>> goldwave and, well again it wouldn't work. >>> >>> So, I was wondering if any of you could help me out in how I can >>> convert these files of music into mp3 format from wma? What >>> software can I use besides the ones I just described below and, >>> are they accessible with jaws? >>> >>> Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again and, I will >>> talk to you all soon! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hugs, >>> amy >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zach2012%40chickerland.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From gloria.graves at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 19:46:18 2011 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:46:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers References: <1AEBE505A8894BF0AF6BE15FF362DC79@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <0AFBEEE9964B43448040390E61CD2301@Gloria> Hi, DOes anyone know where a person might receive trainning to become a TVI? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers > Hi Arielle, > > Nice post. I liked how you did not put down the center, but did mention > its weaknesses. I will add a few things from talking to a few attendees > from > LWSb. > You are correct that LWSB offers independence training, but probably not > to > the degree NFB centers do. > Each applicant goes for a 30 day evaluation in all the rehab skills; I > think > that is a bit long, but that is it. > They recommend what skills to work on from there. If a applicant is ready > to > go into the vocational programs, they do so > if they meet those requirements. Things like having a certain score on the > Wonderlik test, a certain typing speed, computer proficiency, and strong > writtin communication skills are some requirements. > The requirements vary from program to program. > > You have to have a four year college degree for any of the four IRS > training programs. I know the IRS really does hire applicants. When I was > at a job fair, I ran into an IRS rep that mentioned they just hired a > bunch of IRS trainees from lions World. > > Other training options are: > • Desktop support technician- prepares students for entry level IT > technician jobs > • Assistive technology instructor > • Microsoft office Specialist - prepares one for office jobs, to pass > the Microsoft certification exams, and covers office suite applications > • Microsoft certified professional developer – training to be a > computer programmer > • Microsoft computer systems engineer – entry level help desk training > > So if you wanted to go into a technical field, LWSB might be an option. If > its not helpful, you can always leave. If you wanted > to work for the IRS such as a tax collection rep, then this might be an > option. They find you a job after training. > > For the living and going off campus, here is what I know. > Students generally go to the cafeteria and live in the dorm. However, if > you already demonstrated independent living skills, they do have off > campus apartments. I think they have a shuttle taking students to and from > the apartments, if I recall correctly. > Students can go off campus. They just need to sign out and in. > They can go in groups or alone. Some centers have a clearance rule, > meaning you have to be cleared by O&M staff, but lwsb does not say this. > > I heard LWSb got a new director. So I imagine rules and policies are > changing, hopefully for the better. So if you wanted to go into those > vocations they train in, might be worth considering. > Then when you have a job interview, you would have more training than > sighted people might have. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:51 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers > > Hi all, > I have not attended LWSB in Arkansas, but havve heard some things > about it from a few graduates. So, someone please correct me if > anything I say about the center is incorrect, as I would like to learn > more and b able to give people accurate information. > Based on what I have heard from graduates, my impression is that > LWSB/World Services for the Blind is a center that specializes in > technical training for some specific types of jobs, like being an IRS > collector or a small engine repair person. This kind of training is > important, but it is not the same thing as the kind of comprehensive > blindness skill training provided at NFB centers. While LWSB/World > Services does provide training in blindness skills as well, my > impression is that this general training is much less beneficial than > the general skills training provided at NFB centers, and other centers > that house students in apartments. While I can't comment on LWSB's > philosophy, I do know that LWSB houses students in dormitories and > that they dine in a cafeteria. In my opinion this kind of living > environment is not very helpful for teaching blindness skills. Skills > need to be practiced in order to be mastered, and apartment living > affords opportunities to practice cooking, cleaning and other skills > in a variety of real-world situations. Apartment living also affords > opportunities to build confidence. Furthermore, I am not sure how much > LWSB students are allowed or encouraged to travel off center premises > on their own or in groups. This kind of real-world travel is an > essential part of the training experience at NFB centers. > So, I believe that if you are looking for technical training in a > specific job field, LWSB/World Services might be an option worth > considering. However, if you are looking for basic training in travel, > home management, computers and Braille, or just want to build your > overall confidence and independent functioning, I would highly > recommend looking for a center that houses students in apartments and > that allows students to get out and travel on their own during free > time. If you have some vision but suspect you may eventually need to > function with less or no sight, then picking a center that uses > sleepshades may also be a priority. The NFB centers all meet these > criteria, but there are also some state-run and private centers that > do. So do your homework and ask about these things before making your > choice. > I make these suggestions based on my own experience at an NFB center, > LCB, and based on conversations I have had with dozens of graduates > from various kinds of training centers. I would be happy to talk > further by email or phone (see contact info below) if you have more > specific questions. > Best, > Arielle Silverman, Past NABS President and Board Member > 602-502-2255 > arielle71 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Dec 27 20:04:34 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 14:04:34 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers In-Reply-To: <0AFBEEE9964B43448040390E61CD2301@Gloria> References: <1AEBE505A8894BF0AF6BE15FF362DC79@OwnerPC> <0AFBEEE9964B43448040390E61CD2301@Gloria> Message-ID: Hi, Gloria. My instructors took classes at the Arkansas School for the Blind, for their TVI training. I'm not sure about other states, but mmy state's school for the Blind, had a program to train TVI's. I'm not sure if they still do. Blessings, Joshua On 12/27/11, Gloria G wrote: > Hi, > DOes anyone know where a person might receive trainning to become a TVI? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:29 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers > > >> Hi Arielle, >> >> Nice post. I liked how you did not put down the center, but did mention >> its weaknesses. I will add a few things from talking to a few attendees >> from >> LWSb. >> You are correct that LWSB offers independence training, but probably not >> to >> the degree NFB centers do. >> Each applicant goes for a 30 day evaluation in all the rehab skills; I >> think >> that is a bit long, but that is it. >> They recommend what skills to work on from there. If a applicant is ready >> to >> go into the vocational programs, they do so >> if they meet those requirements. Things like having a certain score on the >> Wonderlik test, a certain typing speed, computer proficiency, and strong >> writtin communication skills are some requirements. >> The requirements vary from program to program. >> >> You have to have a four year college degree for any of the four IRS >> training programs. I know the IRS really does hire applicants. When I was >> at a job fair, I ran into an IRS rep that mentioned they just hired a >> bunch of IRS trainees from lions World. >> >> Other training options are: >> • Desktop support technician- prepares students for entry level IT >> technician jobs >> • Assistive technology instructor >> • Microsoft office Specialist - prepares one for office jobs, to pass >> the Microsoft certification exams, and covers office suite applications >> • Microsoft certified professional developer – training to be a >> computer programmer >> • Microsoft computer systems engineer – entry level help desk training >> >> So if you wanted to go into a technical field, LWSB might be an option. If >> >> its not helpful, you can always leave. If you wanted >> to work for the IRS such as a tax collection rep, then this might be an >> option. They find you a job after training. >> >> For the living and going off campus, here is what I know. >> Students generally go to the cafeteria and live in the dorm. However, if >> you already demonstrated independent living skills, they do have off >> campus apartments. I think they have a shuttle taking students to and from >> >> the apartments, if I recall correctly. >> Students can go off campus. They just need to sign out and in. >> They can go in groups or alone. Some centers have a clearance rule, >> meaning you have to be cleared by O&M staff, but lwsb does not say this. >> >> I heard LWSb got a new director. So I imagine rules and policies are >> changing, hopefully for the better. So if you wanted to go into those >> vocations they train in, might be worth considering. >> Then when you have a job interview, you would have more training than >> sighted people might have. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:51 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers >> >> Hi all, >> I have not attended LWSB in Arkansas, but havve heard some things >> about it from a few graduates. So, someone please correct me if >> anything I say about the center is incorrect, as I would like to learn >> more and b able to give people accurate information. >> Based on what I have heard from graduates, my impression is that >> LWSB/World Services for the Blind is a center that specializes in >> technical training for some specific types of jobs, like being an IRS >> collector or a small engine repair person. This kind of training is >> important, but it is not the same thing as the kind of comprehensive >> blindness skill training provided at NFB centers. While LWSB/World >> Services does provide training in blindness skills as well, my >> impression is that this general training is much less beneficial than >> the general skills training provided at NFB centers, and other centers >> that house students in apartments. While I can't comment on LWSB's >> philosophy, I do know that LWSB houses students in dormitories and >> that they dine in a cafeteria. In my opinion this kind of living >> environment is not very helpful for teaching blindness skills. Skills >> need to be practiced in order to be mastered, and apartment living >> affords opportunities to practice cooking, cleaning and other skills >> in a variety of real-world situations. Apartment living also affords >> opportunities to build confidence. Furthermore, I am not sure how much >> LWSB students are allowed or encouraged to travel off center premises >> on their own or in groups. This kind of real-world travel is an >> essential part of the training experience at NFB centers. >> So, I believe that if you are looking for technical training in a >> specific job field, LWSB/World Services might be an option worth >> considering. However, if you are looking for basic training in travel, >> home management, computers and Braille, or just want to build your >> overall confidence and independent functioning, I would highly >> recommend looking for a center that houses students in apartments and >> that allows students to get out and travel on their own during free >> time. If you have some vision but suspect you may eventually need to >> function with less or no sight, then picking a center that uses >> sleepshades may also be a priority. The NFB centers all meet these >> criteria, but there are also some state-run and private centers that >> do. So do your homework and ask about these things before making your >> choice. >> I make these suggestions based on my own experience at an NFB center, >> LCB, and based on conversations I have had with dozens of graduates >> from various kinds of training centers. I would be happy to talk >> further by email or phone (see contact info below) if you have more >> specific questions. >> Best, >> Arielle Silverman, Past NABS President and Board Member >> 602-502-2255 >> arielle71 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From hope.paulos at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 20:16:17 2011 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 15:16:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers References: <1AEBE505A8894BF0AF6BE15FF362DC79@OwnerPC><0AFBEEE9964B43448040390E61CD2301@Gloria> Message-ID: <264894D4532142EAA24DA89FE3701E72@Espy> UMass Boston has a program for TVI's. I'm going there for VRT but was originally in the TVI program. Hope and Beignet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers Hi, Gloria. My instructors took classes at the Arkansas School for the Blind, for their TVI training. I'm not sure about other states, but mmy state's school for the Blind, had a program to train TVI's. I'm not sure if they still do. Blessings, Joshua On 12/27/11, Gloria G wrote: > Hi, > DOes anyone know where a person might receive trainning to become a TVI? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:29 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers > > >> Hi Arielle, >> >> Nice post. I liked how you did not put down the center, but did mention >> its weaknesses. I will add a few things from talking to a few attendees >> from >> LWSb. >> You are correct that LWSB offers independence training, but probably not >> to >> the degree NFB centers do. >> Each applicant goes for a 30 day evaluation in all the rehab skills; I >> think >> that is a bit long, but that is it. >> They recommend what skills to work on from there. If a applicant is ready >> to >> go into the vocational programs, they do so >> if they meet those requirements. Things like having a certain score on >> the >> Wonderlik test, a certain typing speed, computer proficiency, and strong >> writtin communication skills are some requirements. >> The requirements vary from program to program. >> >> You have to have a four year college degree for any of the four IRS >> training programs. I know the IRS really does hire applicants. When I was >> at a job fair, I ran into an IRS rep that mentioned they just hired a >> bunch of IRS trainees from lions World. >> >> Other training options are: >> • Desktop support technician- prepares students for entry level IT >> technician jobs >> • Assistive technology instructor >> • Microsoft office Specialist - prepares one for office jobs, to pass >> the Microsoft certification exams, and covers office suite applications >> • Microsoft certified professional developer – training to be a >> computer programmer >> • Microsoft computer systems engineer – entry level help desk training >> >> So if you wanted to go into a technical field, LWSB might be an option. >> If >> >> its not helpful, you can always leave. If you wanted >> to work for the IRS such as a tax collection rep, then this might be an >> option. They find you a job after training. >> >> For the living and going off campus, here is what I know. >> Students generally go to the cafeteria and live in the dorm. However, if >> you already demonstrated independent living skills, they do have off >> campus apartments. I think they have a shuttle taking students to and >> from >> >> the apartments, if I recall correctly. >> Students can go off campus. They just need to sign out and in. >> They can go in groups or alone. Some centers have a clearance rule, >> meaning you have to be cleared by O&M staff, but lwsb does not say this. >> >> I heard LWSb got a new director. So I imagine rules and policies are >> changing, hopefully for the better. So if you wanted to go into those >> vocations they train in, might be worth considering. >> Then when you have a job interview, you would have more training than >> sighted people might have. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:51 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers >> >> Hi all, >> I have not attended LWSB in Arkansas, but havve heard some things >> about it from a few graduates. So, someone please correct me if >> anything I say about the center is incorrect, as I would like to learn >> more and b able to give people accurate information. >> Based on what I have heard from graduates, my impression is that >> LWSB/World Services for the Blind is a center that specializes in >> technical training for some specific types of jobs, like being an IRS >> collector or a small engine repair person. This kind of training is >> important, but it is not the same thing as the kind of comprehensive >> blindness skill training provided at NFB centers. While LWSB/World >> Services does provide training in blindness skills as well, my >> impression is that this general training is much less beneficial than >> the general skills training provided at NFB centers, and other centers >> that house students in apartments. While I can't comment on LWSB's >> philosophy, I do know that LWSB houses students in dormitories and >> that they dine in a cafeteria. In my opinion this kind of living >> environment is not very helpful for teaching blindness skills. Skills >> need to be practiced in order to be mastered, and apartment living >> affords opportunities to practice cooking, cleaning and other skills >> in a variety of real-world situations. Apartment living also affords >> opportunities to build confidence. Furthermore, I am not sure how much >> LWSB students are allowed or encouraged to travel off center premises >> on their own or in groups. This kind of real-world travel is an >> essential part of the training experience at NFB centers. >> So, I believe that if you are looking for technical training in a >> specific job field, LWSB/World Services might be an option worth >> considering. However, if you are looking for basic training in travel, >> home management, computers and Braille, or just want to build your >> overall confidence and independent functioning, I would highly >> recommend looking for a center that houses students in apartments and >> that allows students to get out and travel on their own during free >> time. If you have some vision but suspect you may eventually need to >> function with less or no sight, then picking a center that uses >> sleepshades may also be a priority. The NFB centers all meet these >> criteria, but there are also some state-run and private centers that >> do. So do your homework and ask about these things before making your >> choice. >> I make these suggestions based on my own experience at an NFB center, >> LCB, and based on conversations I have had with dozens of graduates >> from various kinds of training centers. I would be happy to talk >> further by email or phone (see contact info below) if you have more >> specific questions. >> Best, >> Arielle Silverman, Past NABS President and Board Member >> 602-502-2255 >> arielle71 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Tue Dec 27 21:06:50 2011 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (SA Mobile) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 15:06:50 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers In-Reply-To: <0AFBEEE9964B43448040390E61CD2301@Gloria> References: <1AEBE505A8894BF0AF6BE15FF362DC79@OwnerPC> <0AFBEEE9964B43448040390E61CD2301@Gloria> Message-ID: <431E1633-16B3-4BF0-B7CC-3D9B5B715E09@samobile.net> Louisiana Tech University. Respectfully, Jedi Sent from my iPhone On 27/12/2011, at 1:46 PM, "Gloria G" wrote: > Hi, > DOes anyone know where a person might receive trainning to become a TVI? > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:29 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers > > >> Hi Arielle, >> >> Nice post. I liked how you did not put down the center, but did mention its weaknesses. I will add a few things from talking to a few attendees from >> LWSb. >> You are correct that LWSB offers independence training, but probably not to >> the degree NFB centers do. >> Each applicant goes for a 30 day evaluation in all the rehab skills; I think >> that is a bit long, but that is it. >> They recommend what skills to work on from there. If a applicant is ready to >> go into the vocational programs, they do so >> if they meet those requirements. Things like having a certain score on the >> Wonderlik test, a certain typing speed, computer proficiency, and strong >> writtin communication skills are some requirements. >> The requirements vary from program to program. >> >> You have to have a four year college degree for any of the four IRS training programs. I know the IRS really does hire applicants. When I was at a job fair, I ran into an IRS rep that mentioned they just hired a bunch of IRS trainees from lions World. >> >> Other training options are: >> • Desktop support technician- prepares students for entry level IT technician jobs >> • Assistive technology instructor >> • Microsoft office Specialist - prepares one for office jobs, to pass the Microsoft certification exams, and covers office suite applications >> • Microsoft certified professional developer – training to be a computer programmer >> • Microsoft computer systems engineer – entry level help desk training >> >> So if you wanted to go into a technical field, LWSB might be an option. If its not helpful, you can always leave. If you wanted >> to work for the IRS such as a tax collection rep, then this might be an option. They find you a job after training. >> >> For the living and going off campus, here is what I know. >> Students generally go to the cafeteria and live in the dorm. However, if you already demonstrated independent living skills, they do have off campus apartments. I think they have a shuttle taking students to and from the apartments, if I recall correctly. >> Students can go off campus. They just need to sign out and in. >> They can go in groups or alone. Some centers have a clearance rule, meaning you have to be cleared by O&M staff, but lwsb does not say this. >> >> I heard LWSb got a new director. So I imagine rules and policies are changing, hopefully for the better. So if you wanted to go into those vocations they train in, might be worth considering. >> Then when you have a job interview, you would have more training than sighted people might have. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:51 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers >> >> Hi all, >> I have not attended LWSB in Arkansas, but havve heard some things >> about it from a few graduates. So, someone please correct me if >> anything I say about the center is incorrect, as I would like to learn >> more and b able to give people accurate information. >> Based on what I have heard from graduates, my impression is that >> LWSB/World Services for the Blind is a center that specializes in >> technical training for some specific types of jobs, like being an IRS >> collector or a small engine repair person. This kind of training is >> important, but it is not the same thing as the kind of comprehensive >> blindness skill training provided at NFB centers. While LWSB/World >> Services does provide training in blindness skills as well, my >> impression is that this general training is much less beneficial than >> the general skills training provided at NFB centers, and other centers >> that house students in apartments. While I can't comment on LWSB's >> philosophy, I do know that LWSB houses students in dormitories and >> that they dine in a cafeteria. In my opinion this kind of living >> environment is not very helpful for teaching blindness skills. Skills >> need to be practiced in order to be mastered, and apartment living >> affords opportunities to practice cooking, cleaning and other skills >> in a variety of real-world situations. Apartment living also affords >> opportunities to build confidence. Furthermore, I am not sure how much >> LWSB students are allowed or encouraged to travel off center premises >> on their own or in groups. This kind of real-world travel is an >> essential part of the training experience at NFB centers. >> So, I believe that if you are looking for technical training in a >> specific job field, LWSB/World Services might be an option worth >> considering. However, if you are looking for basic training in travel, >> home management, computers and Braille, or just want to build your >> overall confidence and independent functioning, I would highly >> recommend looking for a center that houses students in apartments and >> that allows students to get out and travel on their own during free >> time. If you have some vision but suspect you may eventually need to >> function with less or no sight, then picking a center that uses >> sleepshades may also be a priority. The NFB centers all meet these >> criteria, but there are also some state-run and private centers that >> do. So do your homework and ask about these things before making your >> choice. >> I make these suggestions based on my own experience at an NFB center, >> LCB, and based on conversations I have had with dozens of graduates >> from various kinds of training centers. I would be happy to talk >> further by email or phone (see contact info below) if you have more >> specific questions. >> Best, >> Arielle Silverman, Past NABS President and Board Member >> 602-502-2255 >> arielle71 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 21:19:20 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:19:20 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] converting music In-Reply-To: <000901ccc4b6$d80303f0$88090bd0$@comcast.net> References: <000901ccc4b6$d80303f0$88090bd0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7538876421244870BC40EC04E11B474A@HUMBERTOAVILA> Hello Amy, have you tried using windows media player? Windows media player comes built in to windows so you don't' have to worry about installing anything else. Just go to the start menu and search for "windows media player" under either all programs or into a search field for the start menu, depending on which version of windows you have. If you have windows 7, you will get the newest version of the player. Anyways once you launch the program, all you have to do is go into the tools menu and go into the options menu item and press enter. The windows media player settings will appear. Press control+tab to get to rip music (which is converting audio CD tracks to a specify digital file format.) press alt+A to jump straight into the "format:" combo box and press m to select to rip as mp3 format. Tab to the OK button and press the space bar. You can now rip music (convert music) directly into mp3 files without problems. To start ripping, in the player's user interface, you tab until you get to the rip button, the rip window will appear and if you want to start ripping immediately, press alt+s to jump quickly to and click the Start Rip Button. Please note however that you windows media player might or might not be different, depending on the version of windows you have or the version of the player itself. Just play around with it and let me know. Cheers, Humberto -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sabo Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 8:45 AM To: PERFORMING ARTS DIVISION Cc: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS Subject: [nabs-l] converting music Hello all, I hope that everyone had a good Christmas and, is looking forward to the new year! Well, I got some brand new music for Christmas thanks to my friends and my sister and, I wanted to play some music and, well, it's not in mp3 format. I tried converting it in express rip but, it only works for ripping albums into that format. I then tried to convert the wma files into mp3 format in goldwave and, well again it wouldn't work. So, I was wondering if any of you could help me out in how I can convert these files of music into mp3 format from wma? What software can I use besides the ones I just described below and, are they accessible with jaws? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again and, I will talk to you all soon! Hugs, amy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Dec 27 22:06:14 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 17:06:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers In-Reply-To: <0AFBEEE9964B43448040390E61CD2301@Gloria> References: <1AEBE505A8894BF0AF6BE15FF362DC79@OwnerPC> <0AFBEEE9964B43448040390E61CD2301@Gloria> Message-ID: <458E0B5E085B4A54AF11116C3A9F0AE4@OwnerPC> Gloria, You can study to be a TVI at Louisiana tech in a masters program which of course is nfb philosophy driven. Also there are several programs around the country doing this. One in new york. Another is at George Mason university in VA. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 2:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers Hi, DOes anyone know where a person might receive trainning to become a TVI? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers > Hi Arielle, > > Nice post. I liked how you did not put down the center, but did mention > its weaknesses. I will add a few things from talking to a few attendees > from > LWSb. > You are correct that LWSB offers independence training, but probably not > to > the degree NFB centers do. > Each applicant goes for a 30 day evaluation in all the rehab skills; I > think > that is a bit long, but that is it. > They recommend what skills to work on from there. If a applicant is ready > to > go into the vocational programs, they do so > if they meet those requirements. Things like having a certain score on the > Wonderlik test, a certain typing speed, computer proficiency, and strong > writtin communication skills are some requirements. > The requirements vary from program to program. > > You have to have a four year college degree for any of the four IRS > training programs. I know the IRS really does hire applicants. When I was > at a job fair, I ran into an IRS rep that mentioned they just hired a > bunch of IRS trainees from lions World. > > Other training options are: > • Desktop support technician- prepares students for entry level IT > technician jobs > • Assistive technology instructor > • Microsoft office Specialist - prepares one for office jobs, to pass > the Microsoft certification exams, and covers office suite applications > • Microsoft certified professional developer – training to be a > computer programmer > • Microsoft computer systems engineer – entry level help desk training > > So if you wanted to go into a technical field, LWSB might be an option. If > its not helpful, you can always leave. If you wanted > to work for the IRS such as a tax collection rep, then this might be an > option. They find you a job after training. > > For the living and going off campus, here is what I know. > Students generally go to the cafeteria and live in the dorm. However, if > you already demonstrated independent living skills, they do have off > campus apartments. I think they have a shuttle taking students to and from > the apartments, if I recall correctly. > Students can go off campus. They just need to sign out and in. > They can go in groups or alone. Some centers have a clearance rule, > meaning you have to be cleared by O&M staff, but lwsb does not say this. > > I heard LWSb got a new director. So I imagine rules and policies are > changing, hopefully for the better. So if you wanted to go into those > vocations they train in, might be worth considering. > Then when you have a job interview, you would have more training than > sighted people might have. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:51 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers > > Hi all, > I have not attended LWSB in Arkansas, but havve heard some things > about it from a few graduates. So, someone please correct me if > anything I say about the center is incorrect, as I would like to learn > more and b able to give people accurate information. > Based on what I have heard from graduates, my impression is that > LWSB/World Services for the Blind is a center that specializes in > technical training for some specific types of jobs, like being an IRS > collector or a small engine repair person. This kind of training is > important, but it is not the same thing as the kind of comprehensive > blindness skill training provided at NFB centers. While LWSB/World > Services does provide training in blindness skills as well, my > impression is that this general training is much less beneficial than > the general skills training provided at NFB centers, and other centers > that house students in apartments. While I can't comment on LWSB's > philosophy, I do know that LWSB houses students in dormitories and > that they dine in a cafeteria. In my opinion this kind of living > environment is not very helpful for teaching blindness skills. Skills > need to be practiced in order to be mastered, and apartment living > affords opportunities to practice cooking, cleaning and other skills > in a variety of real-world situations. Apartment living also affords > opportunities to build confidence. Furthermore, I am not sure how much > LWSB students are allowed or encouraged to travel off center premises > on their own or in groups. This kind of real-world travel is an > essential part of the training experience at NFB centers. > So, I believe that if you are looking for technical training in a > specific job field, LWSB/World Services might be an option worth > considering. However, if you are looking for basic training in travel, > home management, computers and Braille, or just want to build your > overall confidence and independent functioning, I would highly > recommend looking for a center that houses students in apartments and > that allows students to get out and travel on their own during free > time. If you have some vision but suspect you may eventually need to > function with less or no sight, then picking a center that uses > sleepshades may also be a priority. The NFB centers all meet these > criteria, but there are also some state-run and private centers that > do. So do your homework and ask about these things before making your > choice. > I make these suggestions based on my own experience at an NFB center, > LCB, and based on conversations I have had with dozens of graduates > from various kinds of training centers. I would be happy to talk > further by email or phone (see contact info below) if you have more > specific questions. > Best, > Arielle Silverman, Past NABS President and Board Member > 602-502-2255 > arielle71 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From gloria.graves at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 22:26:45 2011 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 16:26:45 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers References: <1AEBE505A8894BF0AF6BE15FF362DC79@OwnerPC><0AFBEEE9964B43448040390E61CD2301@Gloria> Message-ID: Hi Joushua, What school did you say that was where you live? What school for the blind? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers Hi, Gloria. My instructors took classes at the Arkansas School for the Blind, for their TVI training. I'm not sure about other states, but mmy state's school for the Blind, had a program to train TVI's. I'm not sure if they still do. Blessings, Joshua On 12/27/11, Gloria G wrote: > Hi, > DOes anyone know where a person might receive trainning to become a TVI? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:29 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers > > >> Hi Arielle, >> >> Nice post. I liked how you did not put down the center, but did mention >> its weaknesses. I will add a few things from talking to a few attendees >> from >> LWSb. >> You are correct that LWSB offers independence training, but probably not >> to >> the degree NFB centers do. >> Each applicant goes for a 30 day evaluation in all the rehab skills; I >> think >> that is a bit long, but that is it. >> They recommend what skills to work on from there. If a applicant is ready >> to >> go into the vocational programs, they do so >> if they meet those requirements. Things like having a certain score on >> the >> Wonderlik test, a certain typing speed, computer proficiency, and strong >> writtin communication skills are some requirements. >> The requirements vary from program to program. >> >> You have to have a four year college degree for any of the four IRS >> training programs. I know the IRS really does hire applicants. When I was >> at a job fair, I ran into an IRS rep that mentioned they just hired a >> bunch of IRS trainees from lions World. >> >> Other training options are: >> • Desktop support technician- prepares students for entry level IT >> technician jobs >> • Assistive technology instructor >> • Microsoft office Specialist - prepares one for office jobs, to pass >> the Microsoft certification exams, and covers office suite applications >> • Microsoft certified professional developer – training to be a >> computer programmer >> • Microsoft computer systems engineer – entry level help desk training >> >> So if you wanted to go into a technical field, LWSB might be an option. >> If >> >> its not helpful, you can always leave. If you wanted >> to work for the IRS such as a tax collection rep, then this might be an >> option. They find you a job after training. >> >> For the living and going off campus, here is what I know. >> Students generally go to the cafeteria and live in the dorm. However, if >> you already demonstrated independent living skills, they do have off >> campus apartments. I think they have a shuttle taking students to and >> from >> >> the apartments, if I recall correctly. >> Students can go off campus. They just need to sign out and in. >> They can go in groups or alone. Some centers have a clearance rule, >> meaning you have to be cleared by O&M staff, but lwsb does not say this. >> >> I heard LWSb got a new director. So I imagine rules and policies are >> changing, hopefully for the better. So if you wanted to go into those >> vocations they train in, might be worth considering. >> Then when you have a job interview, you would have more training than >> sighted people might have. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:51 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers >> >> Hi all, >> I have not attended LWSB in Arkansas, but havve heard some things >> about it from a few graduates. So, someone please correct me if >> anything I say about the center is incorrect, as I would like to learn >> more and b able to give people accurate information. >> Based on what I have heard from graduates, my impression is that >> LWSB/World Services for the Blind is a center that specializes in >> technical training for some specific types of jobs, like being an IRS >> collector or a small engine repair person. This kind of training is >> important, but it is not the same thing as the kind of comprehensive >> blindness skill training provided at NFB centers. While LWSB/World >> Services does provide training in blindness skills as well, my >> impression is that this general training is much less beneficial than >> the general skills training provided at NFB centers, and other centers >> that house students in apartments. While I can't comment on LWSB's >> philosophy, I do know that LWSB houses students in dormitories and >> that they dine in a cafeteria. In my opinion this kind of living >> environment is not very helpful for teaching blindness skills. Skills >> need to be practiced in order to be mastered, and apartment living >> affords opportunities to practice cooking, cleaning and other skills >> in a variety of real-world situations. Apartment living also affords >> opportunities to build confidence. Furthermore, I am not sure how much >> LWSB students are allowed or encouraged to travel off center premises >> on their own or in groups. This kind of real-world travel is an >> essential part of the training experience at NFB centers. >> So, I believe that if you are looking for technical training in a >> specific job field, LWSB/World Services might be an option worth >> considering. However, if you are looking for basic training in travel, >> home management, computers and Braille, or just want to build your >> overall confidence and independent functioning, I would highly >> recommend looking for a center that houses students in apartments and >> that allows students to get out and travel on their own during free >> time. If you have some vision but suspect you may eventually need to >> function with less or no sight, then picking a center that uses >> sleepshades may also be a priority. The NFB centers all meet these >> criteria, but there are also some state-run and private centers that >> do. So do your homework and ask about these things before making your >> choice. >> I make these suggestions based on my own experience at an NFB center, >> LCB, and based on conversations I have had with dozens of graduates >> from various kinds of training centers. I would be happy to talk >> further by email or phone (see contact info below) if you have more >> specific questions. >> Best, >> Arielle Silverman, Past NABS President and Board Member >> 602-502-2255 >> arielle71 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 22:27:26 2011 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 16:27:26 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers References: <1AEBE505A8894BF0AF6BE15FF362DC79@OwnerPC><0AFBEEE9964B43448040390E61CD2301@Gloria> <264894D4532142EAA24DA89FE3701E72@Espy> Message-ID: <2A37EAA8527B40948979E039108ABC38@Gloria> where is this? Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hope Paulos" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers UMass Boston has a program for TVI's. I'm going there for VRT but was originally in the TVI program. Hope and Beignet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers Hi, Gloria. My instructors took classes at the Arkansas School for the Blind, for their TVI training. I'm not sure about other states, but mmy state's school for the Blind, had a program to train TVI's. I'm not sure if they still do. Blessings, Joshua On 12/27/11, Gloria G wrote: > Hi, > DOes anyone know where a person might receive trainning to become a TVI? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:29 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers > > >> Hi Arielle, >> >> Nice post. I liked how you did not put down the center, but did mention >> its weaknesses. I will add a few things from talking to a few attendees >> from >> LWSb. >> You are correct that LWSB offers independence training, but probably not >> to >> the degree NFB centers do. >> Each applicant goes for a 30 day evaluation in all the rehab skills; I >> think >> that is a bit long, but that is it. >> They recommend what skills to work on from there. If a applicant is ready >> to >> go into the vocational programs, they do so >> if they meet those requirements. Things like having a certain score on >> the >> Wonderlik test, a certain typing speed, computer proficiency, and strong >> writtin communication skills are some requirements. >> The requirements vary from program to program. >> >> You have to have a four year college degree for any of the four IRS >> training programs. I know the IRS really does hire applicants. When I was >> at a job fair, I ran into an IRS rep that mentioned they just hired a >> bunch of IRS trainees from lions World. >> >> Other training options are: >> • Desktop support technician- prepares students for entry level IT >> technician jobs >> • Assistive technology instructor >> • Microsoft office Specialist - prepares one for office jobs, to pass >> the Microsoft certification exams, and covers office suite applications >> • Microsoft certified professional developer – training to be a >> computer programmer >> • Microsoft computer systems engineer – entry level help desk training >> >> So if you wanted to go into a technical field, LWSB might be an option. >> If >> >> its not helpful, you can always leave. If you wanted >> to work for the IRS such as a tax collection rep, then this might be an >> option. They find you a job after training. >> >> For the living and going off campus, here is what I know. >> Students generally go to the cafeteria and live in the dorm. However, if >> you already demonstrated independent living skills, they do have off >> campus apartments. I think they have a shuttle taking students to and >> from >> >> the apartments, if I recall correctly. >> Students can go off campus. They just need to sign out and in. >> They can go in groups or alone. Some centers have a clearance rule, >> meaning you have to be cleared by O&M staff, but lwsb does not say this. >> >> I heard LWSb got a new director. So I imagine rules and policies are >> changing, hopefully for the better. So if you wanted to go into those >> vocations they train in, might be worth considering. >> Then when you have a job interview, you would have more training than >> sighted people might have. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:51 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers >> >> Hi all, >> I have not attended LWSB in Arkansas, but havve heard some things >> about it from a few graduates. So, someone please correct me if >> anything I say about the center is incorrect, as I would like to learn >> more and b able to give people accurate information. >> Based on what I have heard from graduates, my impression is that >> LWSB/World Services for the Blind is a center that specializes in >> technical training for some specific types of jobs, like being an IRS >> collector or a small engine repair person. This kind of training is >> important, but it is not the same thing as the kind of comprehensive >> blindness skill training provided at NFB centers. While LWSB/World >> Services does provide training in blindness skills as well, my >> impression is that this general training is much less beneficial than >> the general skills training provided at NFB centers, and other centers >> that house students in apartments. While I can't comment on LWSB's >> philosophy, I do know that LWSB houses students in dormitories and >> that they dine in a cafeteria. In my opinion this kind of living >> environment is not very helpful for teaching blindness skills. Skills >> need to be practiced in order to be mastered, and apartment living >> affords opportunities to practice cooking, cleaning and other skills >> in a variety of real-world situations. Apartment living also affords >> opportunities to build confidence. Furthermore, I am not sure how much >> LWSB students are allowed or encouraged to travel off center premises >> on their own or in groups. This kind of real-world travel is an >> essential part of the training experience at NFB centers. >> So, I believe that if you are looking for technical training in a >> specific job field, LWSB/World Services might be an option worth >> considering. However, if you are looking for basic training in travel, >> home management, computers and Braille, or just want to build your >> overall confidence and independent functioning, I would highly >> recommend looking for a center that houses students in apartments and >> that allows students to get out and travel on their own during free >> time. If you have some vision but suspect you may eventually need to >> function with less or no sight, then picking a center that uses >> sleepshades may also be a priority. The NFB centers all meet these >> criteria, but there are also some state-run and private centers that >> do. So do your homework and ask about these things before making your >> choice. >> I make these suggestions based on my own experience at an NFB center, >> LCB, and based on conversations I have had with dozens of graduates >> from various kinds of training centers. I would be happy to talk >> further by email or phone (see contact info below) if you have more >> specific questions. >> Best, >> Arielle Silverman, Past NABS President and Board Member >> 602-502-2255 >> arielle71 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Dec 27 22:57:43 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 16:57:43 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers In-Reply-To: References: <1AEBE505A8894BF0AF6BE15FF362DC79@OwnerPC> <0AFBEEE9964B43448040390E61CD2301@Gloria> Message-ID: Hi, Gloria. Arkansas School for the Blind, Little Rock, Arkansas. BTW, I sent you some E-mails. I'd like to hear from you offlist. Thanks, Joshua On 12/27/11, Gloria G wrote: > Hi Joushua, > What school did you say that was where you live? What school for the blind? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 2:04 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers > > > Hi, Gloria. > My instructors took classes at the Arkansas School for the Blind, for > their TVI training. > I'm not sure about other states, but mmy state's school for the Blind, > had a program to train TVI's. > I'm not sure if they still do. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/27/11, Gloria G wrote: >> Hi, >> DOes anyone know where a person might receive trainning to become a TVI? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:29 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers >> >> >>> Hi Arielle, >>> >>> Nice post. I liked how you did not put down the center, but did mention >>> its weaknesses. I will add a few things from talking to a few attendees >>> from >>> LWSb. >>> You are correct that LWSB offers independence training, but probably not >>> to >>> the degree NFB centers do. >>> Each applicant goes for a 30 day evaluation in all the rehab skills; I >>> think >>> that is a bit long, but that is it. >>> They recommend what skills to work on from there. If a applicant is ready >>> to >>> go into the vocational programs, they do so >>> if they meet those requirements. Things like having a certain score on >>> the >>> Wonderlik test, a certain typing speed, computer proficiency, and strong >>> writtin communication skills are some requirements. >>> The requirements vary from program to program. >>> >>> You have to have a four year college degree for any of the four IRS >>> training programs. I know the IRS really does hire applicants. When I was >>> at a job fair, I ran into an IRS rep that mentioned they just hired a >>> bunch of IRS trainees from lions World. >>> >>> Other training options are: >>> • Desktop support technician- prepares students for entry level IT >>> technician jobs >>> • Assistive technology instructor >>> • Microsoft office Specialist - prepares one for office jobs, to pass >>> the Microsoft certification exams, and covers office suite applications >>> • Microsoft certified professional developer – training to be a >>> computer programmer >>> • Microsoft computer systems engineer – entry level help desk training >>> >>> So if you wanted to go into a technical field, LWSB might be an option. >>> If >>> >>> its not helpful, you can always leave. If you wanted >>> to work for the IRS such as a tax collection rep, then this might be an >>> option. They find you a job after training. >>> >>> For the living and going off campus, here is what I know. >>> Students generally go to the cafeteria and live in the dorm. However, if >>> you already demonstrated independent living skills, they do have off >>> campus apartments. I think they have a shuttle taking students to and >>> from >>> >>> the apartments, if I recall correctly. >>> Students can go off campus. They just need to sign out and in. >>> They can go in groups or alone. Some centers have a clearance rule, >>> meaning you have to be cleared by O&M staff, but lwsb does not say this. >>> >>> I heard LWSb got a new director. So I imagine rules and policies are >>> changing, hopefully for the better. So if you wanted to go into those >>> vocations they train in, might be worth considering. >>> Then when you have a job interview, you would have more training than >>> sighted people might have. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Arielle Silverman >>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:51 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I have not attended LWSB in Arkansas, but havve heard some things >>> about it from a few graduates. So, someone please correct me if >>> anything I say about the center is incorrect, as I would like to learn >>> more and b able to give people accurate information. >>> Based on what I have heard from graduates, my impression is that >>> LWSB/World Services for the Blind is a center that specializes in >>> technical training for some specific types of jobs, like being an IRS >>> collector or a small engine repair person. This kind of training is >>> important, but it is not the same thing as the kind of comprehensive >>> blindness skill training provided at NFB centers. While LWSB/World >>> Services does provide training in blindness skills as well, my >>> impression is that this general training is much less beneficial than >>> the general skills training provided at NFB centers, and other centers >>> that house students in apartments. While I can't comment on LWSB's >>> philosophy, I do know that LWSB houses students in dormitories and >>> that they dine in a cafeteria. In my opinion this kind of living >>> environment is not very helpful for teaching blindness skills. Skills >>> need to be practiced in order to be mastered, and apartment living >>> affords opportunities to practice cooking, cleaning and other skills >>> in a variety of real-world situations. Apartment living also affords >>> opportunities to build confidence. Furthermore, I am not sure how much >>> LWSB students are allowed or encouraged to travel off center premises >>> on their own or in groups. This kind of real-world travel is an >>> essential part of the training experience at NFB centers. >>> So, I believe that if you are looking for technical training in a >>> specific job field, LWSB/World Services might be an option worth >>> considering. However, if you are looking for basic training in travel, >>> home management, computers and Braille, or just want to build your >>> overall confidence and independent functioning, I would highly >>> recommend looking for a center that houses students in apartments and >>> that allows students to get out and travel on their own during free >>> time. If you have some vision but suspect you may eventually need to >>> function with less or no sight, then picking a center that uses >>> sleepshades may also be a priority. The NFB centers all meet these >>> criteria, but there are also some state-run and private centers that >>> do. So do your homework and ask about these things before making your >>> choice. >>> I make these suggestions based on my own experience at an NFB center, >>> LCB, and based on conversations I have had with dozens of graduates >>> from various kinds of training centers. I would be happy to talk >>> further by email or phone (see contact info below) if you have more >>> specific questions. >>> Best, >>> Arielle Silverman, Past NABS President and Board Member >>> 602-502-2255 >>> arielle71 at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Tue Dec 27 22:59:14 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 16:59:14 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers In-Reply-To: <2A37EAA8527B40948979E039108ABC38@Gloria> References: <1AEBE505A8894BF0AF6BE15FF362DC79@OwnerPC> <0AFBEEE9964B43448040390E61CD2301@Gloria> <264894D4532142EAA24DA89FE3701E72@Espy> <2A37EAA8527B40948979E039108ABC38@Gloria> Message-ID: University of Massachusetts, Boston, Massachusetts. Blessings, Joshua On 12/27/11, Gloria G wrote: > where is this? Thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hope Paulos" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 2:16 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers > > > UMass Boston has a program for TVI's. I'm going there for VRT but was > originally in the TVI program. > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 3:04 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers > > > Hi, Gloria. > My instructors took classes at the Arkansas School for the Blind, for > their TVI training. > I'm not sure about other states, but mmy state's school for the Blind, > had a program to train TVI's. > I'm not sure if they still do. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/27/11, Gloria G wrote: >> Hi, >> DOes anyone know where a person might receive trainning to become a TVI? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:29 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers >> >> >>> Hi Arielle, >>> >>> Nice post. I liked how you did not put down the center, but did mention >>> its weaknesses. I will add a few things from talking to a few attendees >>> from >>> LWSb. >>> You are correct that LWSB offers independence training, but probably not >>> to >>> the degree NFB centers do. >>> Each applicant goes for a 30 day evaluation in all the rehab skills; I >>> think >>> that is a bit long, but that is it. >>> They recommend what skills to work on from there. If a applicant is ready >>> to >>> go into the vocational programs, they do so >>> if they meet those requirements. Things like having a certain score on >>> the >>> Wonderlik test, a certain typing speed, computer proficiency, and strong >>> writtin communication skills are some requirements. >>> The requirements vary from program to program. >>> >>> You have to have a four year college degree for any of the four IRS >>> training programs. I know the IRS really does hire applicants. When I was >>> at a job fair, I ran into an IRS rep that mentioned they just hired a >>> bunch of IRS trainees from lions World. >>> >>> Other training options are: >>> • Desktop support technician- prepares students for entry level IT >>> technician jobs >>> • Assistive technology instructor >>> • Microsoft office Specialist - prepares one for office jobs, to pass >>> the Microsoft certification exams, and covers office suite applications >>> • Microsoft certified professional developer – training to be a >>> computer programmer >>> • Microsoft computer systems engineer – entry level help desk training >>> >>> So if you wanted to go into a technical field, LWSB might be an option. >>> If >>> >>> its not helpful, you can always leave. If you wanted >>> to work for the IRS such as a tax collection rep, then this might be an >>> option. They find you a job after training. >>> >>> For the living and going off campus, here is what I know. >>> Students generally go to the cafeteria and live in the dorm. However, if >>> you already demonstrated independent living skills, they do have off >>> campus apartments. I think they have a shuttle taking students to and >>> from >>> >>> the apartments, if I recall correctly. >>> Students can go off campus. They just need to sign out and in. >>> They can go in groups or alone. Some centers have a clearance rule, >>> meaning you have to be cleared by O&M staff, but lwsb does not say this. >>> >>> I heard LWSb got a new director. So I imagine rules and policies are >>> changing, hopefully for the better. So if you wanted to go into those >>> vocations they train in, might be worth considering. >>> Then when you have a job interview, you would have more training than >>> sighted people might have. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Arielle Silverman >>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:51 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I have not attended LWSB in Arkansas, but havve heard some things >>> about it from a few graduates. So, someone please correct me if >>> anything I say about the center is incorrect, as I would like to learn >>> more and b able to give people accurate information. >>> Based on what I have heard from graduates, my impression is that >>> LWSB/World Services for the Blind is a center that specializes in >>> technical training for some specific types of jobs, like being an IRS >>> collector or a small engine repair person. This kind of training is >>> important, but it is not the same thing as the kind of comprehensive >>> blindness skill training provided at NFB centers. While LWSB/World >>> Services does provide training in blindness skills as well, my >>> impression is that this general training is much less beneficial than >>> the general skills training provided at NFB centers, and other centers >>> that house students in apartments. While I can't comment on LWSB's >>> philosophy, I do know that LWSB houses students in dormitories and >>> that they dine in a cafeteria. In my opinion this kind of living >>> environment is not very helpful for teaching blindness skills. Skills >>> need to be practiced in order to be mastered, and apartment living >>> affords opportunities to practice cooking, cleaning and other skills >>> in a variety of real-world situations. Apartment living also affords >>> opportunities to build confidence. Furthermore, I am not sure how much >>> LWSB students are allowed or encouraged to travel off center premises >>> on their own or in groups. This kind of real-world travel is an >>> essential part of the training experience at NFB centers. >>> So, I believe that if you are looking for technical training in a >>> specific job field, LWSB/World Services might be an option worth >>> considering. However, if you are looking for basic training in travel, >>> home management, computers and Braille, or just want to build your >>> overall confidence and independent functioning, I would highly >>> recommend looking for a center that houses students in apartments and >>> that allows students to get out and travel on their own during free >>> time. If you have some vision but suspect you may eventually need to >>> function with less or no sight, then picking a center that uses >>> sleepshades may also be a priority. The NFB centers all meet these >>> criteria, but there are also some state-run and private centers that >>> do. So do your homework and ask about these things before making your >>> choice. >>> I make these suggestions based on my own experience at an NFB center, >>> LCB, and based on conversations I have had with dozens of graduates >>> from various kinds of training centers. I would be happy to talk >>> further by email or phone (see contact info below) if you have more >>> specific questions. >>> Best, >>> Arielle Silverman, Past NABS President and Board Member >>> 602-502-2255 >>> arielle71 at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Dec 27 23:59:48 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:59:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with a USB headset Message-ID: Hi everyone, I got a USB headset for Christmas, and it is working great for my Skype calls. My only problem is that I can't hear my screen reader (I've tried both JAWS and NVDA) when I'm not in a Skype call, but I can hear Skype calls through the headset. Any suggestions as to how to fix this? Thanks! Chris -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 00:03:59 2011 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:03:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers In-Reply-To: <0AFBEEE9964B43448040390E61CD2301@Gloria> References: <1AEBE505A8894BF0AF6BE15FF362DC79@OwnerPC> <0AFBEEE9964B43448040390E61CD2301@Gloria> Message-ID: Any school with a special education of the blind graduate program; three I can think of: North Carolina central University Louisiana Tech University Northern Illinois University Sent from my iPhone On Dec 27, 2011, at 2:46 PM, "Gloria G" wrote: > Hi, > DOes anyone know where a person might receive trainning to become a TVI? > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:29 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers > > >> Hi Arielle, >> >> Nice post. I liked how you did not put down the center, but did mention its weaknesses. I will add a few things from talking to a few attendees from >> LWSb. >> You are correct that LWSB offers independence training, but probably not to >> the degree NFB centers do. >> Each applicant goes for a 30 day evaluation in all the rehab skills; I think >> that is a bit long, but that is it. >> They recommend what skills to work on from there. If a applicant is ready to >> go into the vocational programs, they do so >> if they meet those requirements. Things like having a certain score on the >> Wonderlik test, a certain typing speed, computer proficiency, and strong >> writtin communication skills are some requirements. >> The requirements vary from program to program. >> >> You have to have a four year college degree for any of the four IRS training programs. I know the IRS really does hire applicants. When I was at a job fair, I ran into an IRS rep that mentioned they just hired a bunch of IRS trainees from lions World. >> >> Other training options are: >> • Desktop support technician- prepares students for entry level IT technician jobs >> • Assistive technology instructor >> • Microsoft office Specialist - prepares one for office jobs, to pass the Microsoft certification exams, and covers office suite applications >> • Microsoft certified professional developer – training to be a computer programmer >> • Microsoft computer systems engineer – entry level help desk training >> >> So if you wanted to go into a technical field, LWSB might be an option. If its not helpful, you can always leave. If you wanted >> to work for the IRS such as a tax collection rep, then this might be an option. They find you a job after training. >> >> For the living and going off campus, here is what I know. >> Students generally go to the cafeteria and live in the dorm. However, if you already demonstrated independent living skills, they do have off campus apartments. I think they have a shuttle taking students to and from the apartments, if I recall correctly. >> Students can go off campus. They just need to sign out and in. >> They can go in groups or alone. Some centers have a clearance rule, meaning you have to be cleared by O&M staff, but lwsb does not say this. >> >> I heard LWSb got a new director. So I imagine rules and policies are changing, hopefully for the better. So if you wanted to go into those vocations they train in, might be worth considering. >> Then when you have a job interview, you would have more training than sighted people might have. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:51 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers >> >> Hi all, >> I have not attended LWSB in Arkansas, but havve heard some things >> about it from a few graduates. So, someone please correct me if >> anything I say about the center is incorrect, as I would like to learn >> more and b able to give people accurate information. >> Based on what I have heard from graduates, my impression is that >> LWSB/World Services for the Blind is a center that specializes in >> technical training for some specific types of jobs, like being an IRS >> collector or a small engine repair person. This kind of training is >> important, but it is not the same thing as the kind of comprehensive >> blindness skill training provided at NFB centers. While LWSB/World >> Services does provide training in blindness skills as well, my >> impression is that this general training is much less beneficial than >> the general skills training provided at NFB centers, and other centers >> that house students in apartments. While I can't comment on LWSB's >> philosophy, I do know that LWSB houses students in dormitories and >> that they dine in a cafeteria. In my opinion this kind of living >> environment is not very helpful for teaching blindness skills. Skills >> need to be practiced in order to be mastered, and apartment living >> affords opportunities to practice cooking, cleaning and other skills >> in a variety of real-world situations. Apartment living also affords >> opportunities to build confidence. Furthermore, I am not sure how much >> LWSB students are allowed or encouraged to travel off center premises >> on their own or in groups. This kind of real-world travel is an >> essential part of the training experience at NFB centers. >> So, I believe that if you are looking for technical training in a >> specific job field, LWSB/World Services might be an option worth >> considering. However, if you are looking for basic training in travel, >> home management, computers and Braille, or just want to build your >> overall confidence and independent functioning, I would highly >> recommend looking for a center that houses students in apartments and >> that allows students to get out and travel on their own during free >> time. If you have some vision but suspect you may eventually need to >> function with less or no sight, then picking a center that uses >> sleepshades may also be a priority. The NFB centers all meet these >> criteria, but there are also some state-run and private centers that >> do. So do your homework and ask about these things before making your >> choice. >> I make these suggestions based on my own experience at an NFB center, >> LCB, and based on conversations I have had with dozens of graduates >> from various kinds of training centers. I would be happy to talk >> further by email or phone (see contact info below) if you have more >> specific questions. >> Best, >> Arielle Silverman, Past NABS President and Board Member >> 602-502-2255 >> arielle71 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Wed Dec 28 00:39:18 2011 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 16:39:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1325032758.57895.YahooMailClassic@web162003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The Arkansas School for the Blind does not actually have a program to train TVI, but the TVI are students at the University of Arkansas at Little Rock (UALR). They had a program for Vision Certification, but that program know longer exist. Teachers who work at ASB and do not have this certification, get it from Missouri State University. MSU has a online program. However, UALR does have a Mobility Instructors program and students come to ASB to do their internship. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Tue, 12/27/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > From: Joshua Lester > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 4:57 PM > Hi, Gloria. > Arkansas School for the Blind, Little Rock, Arkansas. > BTW, I sent you some E-mails. > I'd like to hear from you offlist. > Thanks, Joshua > > On 12/27/11, Gloria G > wrote: > > Hi Joushua, > > What school did you say that was where you live? What > school for the blind? > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Joshua Lester" > > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing > list" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 2:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers > > > > > > Hi, Gloria. > > My instructors took classes at the Arkansas School for > the Blind, for > > their TVI training. > > I'm not sure about other states, but mmy state's > school for the Blind, > > had a program to train TVI's. > > I'm not sure if they still do. > > Blessings, Joshua > > > > On 12/27/11, Gloria G > wrote: > >> Hi, > >> DOes anyone know where a person might receive > trainning to become a TVI? > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" > >> To: "National Association of Blind Students > mailing list" > >> > >> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:29 AM > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training > Centers > >> > >> > >>> Hi Arielle, > >>> > >>> Nice post. I liked how you did not put down > the center, but did mention > >>> its weaknesses. I will add a few things from > talking to a few attendees > >>> from > >>> LWSb. > >>> You are correct that LWSB offers independence > training, but probably not > >>> to > >>> the degree NFB centers do. > >>> Each applicant goes for a 30 day evaluation in > all the rehab skills; I > >>> think > >>> that is a bit long, but that is it. > >>> They recommend what skills to work on from > there. If a applicant is ready > >>> to > >>> go into the vocational programs, they do so > >>> if they meet those requirements. Things like > having a certain score on > >>> the > >>> Wonderlik test, a certain typing speed, > computer proficiency, and strong > >>> writtin communication skills are some > requirements. > >>> The requirements vary from program to > program. > >>> > >>> You have to have a four year college degree > for any of the four IRS > >>> training programs. I know the IRS really does > hire applicants. When I was > >>> at a job fair, I ran into an IRS rep that > mentioned they just hired a > >>> bunch of IRS trainees from lions World. > >>> > >>> Other training options are: > >>> •    Desktop support technician- > prepares students for entry level IT > >>> technician jobs > >>> •    Assistive technology > instructor > >>> •    Microsoft office Specialist > -  prepares one for office jobs, to pass > >>> the Microsoft certification exams, and covers > office suite applications > >>> •    Microsoft certified > professional developer – training to be a > >>> computer programmer > >>> •    Microsoft computer systems > engineer – entry level help desk training > >>> > >>> So if you wanted to go into a technical field, > LWSB might be an option. > >>> If > >>> > >>> its not helpful, you can always leave. If you > wanted > >>> to work for the IRS such as a tax collection > rep, then this might be an > >>> option. They find you a job after training. > >>> > >>> For the living and going off campus, here is > what I know. > >>> Students generally go to the cafeteria and > live in  the dorm. However, if > >>> you already demonstrated independent living > skills, they do have off > >>> campus apartments. I think they have a shuttle > taking students to and > >>> from > >>> > >>> the apartments, if I recall correctly. > >>> Students can go off campus. They just need to > sign out and in. > >>> They can go in groups or alone. Some centers > have a clearance rule, > >>> meaning you have to be cleared by O&M > staff, but lwsb does not  say this. > >>> > >>> I heard LWSb got a new director. So I imagine > rules and policies are > >>> changing, hopefully for the better. So if you > wanted to go into those > >>> vocations they train in, might be worth > considering. > >>> Then when you have a job interview, you would > have more training than > >>> sighted people might have. > >>> > >>> Ashley > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Arielle Silverman > >>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:51 AM > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students > mailing list > >>> Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training > Centers > >>> > >>> Hi all, > >>> I have not attended LWSB in Arkansas, but > havve heard some things > >>> about it from a few graduates. So, someone > please correct me if > >>> anything I say about the center is incorrect, > as I would like to learn > >>> more and b able to give people accurate > information. > >>> Based on what I have heard from graduates, my > impression is that > >>> LWSB/World Services for the Blind is a center > that specializes in > >>> technical training for some specific types of > jobs, like being an IRS > >>> collector or a small engine repair person. > This kind of training is > >>> important, but it is not the same thing as the > kind of comprehensive > >>> blindness skill training provided at NFB > centers. While LWSB/World > >>> Services does provide training in blindness > skills as well, my > >>> impression is that this general training is > much less beneficial than > >>> the general skills training provided at NFB > centers, and other centers > >>> that house students in apartments. While I > can't comment on LWSB's > >>> philosophy, I do know that LWSB houses > students in dormitories and > >>> that they dine in a cafeteria. In my opinion > this kind of living > >>> environment is not very helpful for teaching > blindness skills. Skills > >>> need to be practiced in order to be mastered, > and apartment living > >>> affords opportunities to practice cooking, > cleaning and other skills > >>> in a variety of real-world situations. > Apartment living also affords > >>> opportunities to build confidence. > Furthermore, I am not sure how much > >>> LWSB students are allowed or encouraged to > travel off center premises > >>> on their own or in groups. This kind of > real-world travel is an > >>> essential part of the training experience at > NFB centers. > >>> So, I believe that if you are looking for > technical training in a > >>> specific job field, LWSB/World Services might > be an option worth > >>> considering. However, if you are looking for > basic training in travel, > >>> home management, computers and Braille, or > just want to build your > >>> overall confidence and independent > functioning, I would highly > >>> recommend looking for a center that houses > students in apartments and > >>> that allows students to get out and travel on > their own during free > >>> time. If you have some vision but suspect you > may eventually need to > >>> function with less or no sight, then picking a > center that uses > >>> sleepshades may also be a priority. The NFB > centers all meet these > >>> criteria, but there are also some state-run > and private centers that > >>> do. So do your homework and ask about these > things before making your > >>> choice. > >>> I make these suggestions based on my own > experience at an NFB center, > >>> LCB, and based on conversations I have had > with dozens of graduates > >>> from various kinds of training centers. I > would be happy to talk > >>> further by email or phone (see contact info > below) if you have more > >>> specific questions. > >>> Best, > >>> Arielle Silverman, Past NABS President and > Board Member > >>> 602-502-2255 > >>> arielle71 at gmail.com > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or > get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or > get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get > your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Wed Dec 28 01:16:53 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:16:53 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers In-Reply-To: <1325032758.57895.YahooMailClassic@web162003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1325032758.57895.YahooMailClassic@web162003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Interesting! I was under the impression, that ASB had the TVI program. Thanks for clearing that up! Blessings, Joshua On 12/27/11, Anmol Bhatia wrote: > The Arkansas School for the Blind does not actually have a program to train > TVI, but the TVI are students at the University of Arkansas at Little Rock > (UALR). They had a program for Vision Certification, but that program know > longer exist. Teachers who work at ASB and do not have this certification, > get it from Missouri State University. MSU has a online program. However, > UALR does have a Mobility Instructors program and students come to ASB to do > their internship. > > Anmol > I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps > there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze > among flowers. > Hellen Keller > > > --- On Tue, 12/27/11, Joshua Lester wrote: > >> From: Joshua Lester >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 4:57 PM >> Hi, Gloria. >> Arkansas School for the Blind, Little Rock, Arkansas. >> BTW, I sent you some E-mails. >> I'd like to hear from you offlist. >> Thanks, Joshua >> >> On 12/27/11, Gloria G >> wrote: >> > Hi Joushua, >> > What school did you say that was where you live? What >> school for the blind? >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Joshua Lester" >> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list" >> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 2:04 PM >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers >> > >> > >> > Hi, Gloria. >> > My instructors took classes at the Arkansas School for >> the Blind, for >> > their TVI training. >> > I'm not sure about other states, but mmy state's >> school for the Blind, >> > had a program to train TVI's. >> > I'm not sure if they still do. >> > Blessings, Joshua >> > >> > On 12/27/11, Gloria G >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> DOes anyone know where a person might receive >> trainning to become a TVI? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students >> mailing list" >> >> >> >> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:29 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training >> Centers >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi Arielle, >> >>> >> >>> Nice post. I liked how you did not put down >> the center, but did mention >> >>> its weaknesses. I will add a few things from >> talking to a few attendees >> >>> from >> >>> LWSb. >> >>> You are correct that LWSB offers independence >> training, but probably not >> >>> to >> >>> the degree NFB centers do. >> >>> Each applicant goes for a 30 day evaluation in >> all the rehab skills; I >> >>> think >> >>> that is a bit long, but that is it. >> >>> They recommend what skills to work on from >> there. If a applicant is ready >> >>> to >> >>> go into the vocational programs, they do so >> >>> if they meet those requirements. Things like >> having a certain score on >> >>> the >> >>> Wonderlik test, a certain typing speed, >> computer proficiency, and strong >> >>> writtin communication skills are some >> requirements. >> >>> The requirements vary from program to >> program. >> >>> >> >>> You have to have a four year college degree >> for any of the four IRS >> >>> training programs. I know the IRS really does >> hire applicants. When I was >> >>> at a job fair, I ran into an IRS rep that >> mentioned they just hired a >> >>> bunch of IRS trainees from lions World. >> >>> >> >>> Other training options are: >> >>> • Desktop support technician- >> prepares students for entry level IT >> >>> technician jobs >> >>> • Assistive technology >> instructor >> >>> • Microsoft office Specialist >> - prepares one for office jobs, to pass >> >>> the Microsoft certification exams, and covers >> office suite applications >> >>> • Microsoft certified >> professional developer – training to be a >> >>> computer programmer >> >>> • Microsoft computer systems >> engineer – entry level help desk training >> >>> >> >>> So if you wanted to go into a technical field, >> LWSB might be an option. >> >>> If >> >>> >> >>> its not helpful, you can always leave. If you >> wanted >> >>> to work for the IRS such as a tax collection >> rep, then this might be an >> >>> option. They find you a job after training. >> >>> >> >>> For the living and going off campus, here is >> what I know. >> >>> Students generally go to the cafeteria and >> live in the dorm. However, if >> >>> you already demonstrated independent living >> skills, they do have off >> >>> campus apartments. I think they have a shuttle >> taking students to and >> >>> from >> >>> >> >>> the apartments, if I recall correctly. >> >>> Students can go off campus. They just need to >> sign out and in. >> >>> They can go in groups or alone. Some centers >> have a clearance rule, >> >>> meaning you have to be cleared by O&M >> staff, but lwsb does not say this. >> >>> >> >>> I heard LWSb got a new director. So I imagine >> rules and policies are >> >>> changing, hopefully for the better. So if you >> wanted to go into those >> >>> vocations they train in, might be worth >> considering. >> >>> Then when you have a job interview, you would >> have more training than >> >>> sighted people might have. >> >>> >> >>> Ashley >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: Arielle Silverman >> >>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:51 AM >> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students >> mailing list >> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training >> Centers >> >>> >> >>> Hi all, >> >>> I have not attended LWSB in Arkansas, but >> havve heard some things >> >>> about it from a few graduates. So, someone >> please correct me if >> >>> anything I say about the center is incorrect, >> as I would like to learn >> >>> more and b able to give people accurate >> information. >> >>> Based on what I have heard from graduates, my >> impression is that >> >>> LWSB/World Services for the Blind is a center >> that specializes in >> >>> technical training for some specific types of >> jobs, like being an IRS >> >>> collector or a small engine repair person. >> This kind of training is >> >>> important, but it is not the same thing as the >> kind of comprehensive >> >>> blindness skill training provided at NFB >> centers. While LWSB/World >> >>> Services does provide training in blindness >> skills as well, my >> >>> impression is that this general training is >> much less beneficial than >> >>> the general skills training provided at NFB >> centers, and other centers >> >>> that house students in apartments. While I >> can't comment on LWSB's >> >>> philosophy, I do know that LWSB houses >> students in dormitories and >> >>> that they dine in a cafeteria. In my opinion >> this kind of living >> >>> environment is not very helpful for teaching >> blindness skills. Skills >> >>> need to be practiced in order to be mastered, >> and apartment living >> >>> affords opportunities to practice cooking, >> cleaning and other skills >> >>> in a variety of real-world situations. >> Apartment living also affords >> >>> opportunities to build confidence. >> Furthermore, I am not sure how much >> >>> LWSB students are allowed or encouraged to >> travel off center premises >> >>> on their own or in groups. This kind of >> real-world travel is an >> >>> essential part of the training experience at >> NFB centers. >> >>> So, I believe that if you are looking for >> technical training in a >> >>> specific job field, LWSB/World Services might >> be an option worth >> >>> considering. However, if you are looking for >> basic training in travel, >> >>> home management, computers and Braille, or >> just want to build your >> >>> overall confidence and independent >> functioning, I would highly >> >>> recommend looking for a center that houses >> students in apartments and >> >>> that allows students to get out and travel on >> their own during free >> >>> time. If you have some vision but suspect you >> may eventually need to >> >>> function with less or no sight, then picking a >> center that uses >> >>> sleepshades may also be a priority. The NFB >> centers all meet these >> >>> criteria, but there are also some state-run >> and private centers that >> >>> do. So do your homework and ask about these >> things before making your >> >>> choice. >> >>> I make these suggestions based on my own >> experience at an NFB center, >> >>> LCB, and based on conversations I have had >> with dozens of graduates >> >>> from various kinds of training centers. I >> would be happy to talk >> >>> further by email or phone (see contact info >> below) if you have more >> >>> specific questions. >> >>> Best, >> >>> Arielle Silverman, Past NABS President and >> Board Member >> >>> 602-502-2255 >> >>> arielle71 at gmail.com >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >> get your account info for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or >> get your account info for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >> your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your >> account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%40students.pccua.edu > From dandrews at visi.com Wed Dec 28 02:43:27 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 20:43:27 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Announcing The NFB Travel and Tourism Division's January Board Meeting and SocialFlights.com Message-ID: > >Hello everyone, > > Anyone who flies knows all too > well that travel via the airlines can be one > big hassle. The lengthy time spent in airline > terminals, the security checks, missed and > canceled flights, and the demeaning and often > discriminatory treatment passengers such as the > blind receive from airline personnel. Don’t you > wish there was an alternative? What would it be > like to fly like the rich and famous? Would it > make it easier for your chapter or affiliate to > attend state and national events by leaving > from and returning to airports closer to home? > Would if you didn’t have to worry about lost > baggage, canceled or delayed flights, charges > for in-flight amenities once given free to passengers, the list goes on? > > On January 10, 2012 the > National Federation of the Blind Travel and > Tourism Division will hold its January Board > Meeting at 8:00 Eastern, 7:00 Central, 6:00 > Mountain, and 5:00 Pacific Time. . We will have > as our special guest Matt Sloskey, Chief > Financial Officer of > http://www.socialflights.com. > This company is seeking to introduce business > and leisure travelers tired of scheduled air > travel to flying on private aircraft by > utilizing social media such as > facebook.com. Matt will share with conference > participants information about the founding of > SocialFlights.com, how they are using social > media to enable individuals to fly on private > jets for roughly the cost of flying on an > airline, and will discuss with us how we can > use the Social Flights Model to help members > and other interested individuals attend NFB > state and national events such as the national convention. > >If you thought private air travel was just >something for the rich and famous Matt will do >his share of myth busting and will; explain how >the air charter industry is changing to create >flying opportunities for thos seeking an >alternative to the airlines. > > If you never thought that > private flying would be within the reach of > individuals of moderate financial means or > wondered what it would be like to fly on a > private aircraft a gentle introduction to > private air charter and information about > SocialFlights.com appears below. We encourage > you to read it over and formulate questions for > Matt to answer during the board meeting: >WHY CHARTER AN AIRCRAFT? > >The major reasons customers decide on chartering >an aircraft as opposed to utilizing traditional scheduled services include: > * Cost Effective - Chartering an aircraft is > a cost-effective method to move a group of > people to more places in less time. The result > is that passengers and baggage can travel more > quickly and efficiently, often avoiding costly > overnight and additional transportation costs. > When the cost of the charter is considered > against the number of airline movements and > overnight costs, the real value of charter can be realized. > * Convenience – Leaving from a private ramp > or terminal will take the unpleasant > experiences you’ve had during airline travel a > thing of the past. Charter customers can also > direct which airports are to be used when more > than one choice is involved. Ground > transportation will be door to door, and > luggage is kept under your direct control at > all times. Often, your luggage may be accessible in flight. > * Flexibility – The aircraft is at the > disposal of the customer, which means last > minute changes are more easily accommodated. As > a charter customer, you get to set the > timetable. There are no penalties for changed itineraries. > * Increased Productivity- Passengers can > work in a secure, uninterrupted environment that will enhance productivity. > * Utilizing the enroute portion of your trip > for briefings and or business meetings will > greatly enhance the productivity of the time > spent traveling. Certain aircraft such as the > Global Express are equipped with High-speed Internet. > >About Social Flights > > >Social Flights began its life in very different >places - on the back of a pancake house napkin >where social media and business experts were >having breakfast, in the economic observations >of an engineer, and in the back of an aviation >executive's mind over years of industry >experience. When the visionaries met, the ideas >merged, began to take shape and to grow. > > > >The idea of filling empty private aircraft, >whether positioning or at base, joined forces >with the power and potential of Social Media to >become a Revolution in Air Travel. > > > >We are business managers, economic visionaries, >aviation professionals, and entrepreneurs. We >have experience in airlines, travel and >government agencies, and think tanks. We are >bloggers, sports fans, environmentalists, and >parents. But mostly we are travelers who are >tired of the hassles and inefficiencies of the current airline system. > >Together, we see a better way. We see Social Flights. > >How Does it Work? > >Social Flights uses social technology in a whole >new way to allow like-minded travelers to find >each other efficiently and effectively. Social >Flights gives those travelers the means to share >and coordinate their travel plans and to secure >private aircraft for their trips. By allowing >these travelers to use collective buying power >to purchase On Demand Flights, the travelers are >able to complete their trips with less >frustration, more convenience, more comfort and >with trip costs that are comparable to what they >would have paid had they used scheduled airline service. >Social Fliers form affinity groups called Travel >Circles. When Social Fliers initiate trips, >other members of their Circle may be notified, >allowing other Social Fliers to join the flight. >Once all seats are filled, Social Flights >verifies all details with the aircraft operator >and the Social Fliers, seats are purchased and >the flight is taken. Social Fliers enjoy the >unparalleled convenience and efficiency of >private aviation at costs that even a CFO can endorse. >Social Flights provides travelers with an option >to the inadequate scheduled airline system, >allowing them to travel on their own schedule, >on budget, and with less wasted time and energy. > >TRAVEL IN A GROUP >Description: Description: https://www.socialflights.com/images/ > >Description: Description: https://www.socialflights.com/images/ > > >Description: Description: https://www.socialflights.com/images/ > >Use the collective buying power of a group to >enjoy the convenience of private aviation. >Social Flights give you the power to get out of >the security line and get on with your trip. >Whether you travel for business or pleasure, to >make a meeting or to hit the slopes, we make it >easy for you to find others whose interests >match your own. By defining your own travel >interests, you can find others who share them and for Travel circles. >In this beta phase, there are Travel circles for >cities. As we move forward, enhancing >functionality, there will be Travel Circles for >companies, Travel circles for teams, Travel >circles for events - Travel Circles for anywhere >people want to go and for any reason they want to go there. >By joining (or, in later phases, forming) Travel >circles, all members enjoy the benefits of >collective buying power when securing the use of >private aircraft for trips. You fly in comfort, >privacy and with efficiency while keeping your >total trip costs comparable to what they would >have been if you had flown on an airline. >Join your local Travel circle and circles where >you fly frequently. And, as we develop, explore >other circles to find those that match your >interests. If you don't find one, you will be >able to create your own. For all circles you >join, Social Flights will notify you about flights as they form. >Use your Travel Circle’s purchasing power to >enjoy the convenience and value of private aviation. > > >REQUEST A FLIGHT > >Request a custom Flight on Demand and fly on your own schedule. >By requesting your own On Demand Flight and >sharing that flight with friends, Travel circle >members or others within your region, you put >the power of collective buying to work for you. >When you find others to share the cost of your >flight on a private plane, you travel more >efficiently and less stressfully at a trip cost >that is comparable to what that same trip would >have cost had you flown on a commercial airline. >Tell us where you are, where you want to go, and >when you want to go there. Social Flights gets >you options from leading private aviation >companies and helps you design and fill your own >On Demand Flight. Why fly on an airline's >schedule when you can request your own? >Skip the hassles and inefficiencies. Fly the way you want to. > >Add to the above the many issues and demeaning >treatment blind persons have faced when flying >on the airlines over the years. We must continue >to improve access to scheduled air travel for >blind persons but let’s not ignore the >opportunity to create alternatives to scheduled >airline travel which could make it possible for >our members to attend state and national events in a more efficient manner. > >In the coming years as airlines pull out of >unprofitable markets, and as the airline system >continues to deteriorate blind air travelers >will need to have access to new air travel >models and the resources that make them work. More services like >Social Flights will appear further opening up >travel on private aircraft to the masses >including the blind. Who better to spearhead >advocacy in the private air charter industry >than the National Federation of the Blind. > > Join us on Tuesday January 10 > for the first NFB Travel and Tourism Board > meeting of 2012 and for an exciting > introduction to the next frontier in air > travel. The information for those wishing to participate is as follows: > >The call in number is 1-805-360-1000 this is not a toll free number > >once you get the recording you will be asked to >put in your participant access code which is 871517#. > > If you have questions about > private air charter in general, the utilization > of social media in the airline industry and how > blind persons can benefit by flying privately > join us on January 10, 2012 for this exciting > presentation or to learn about the activities > of the NFB Travel and Tourism Division. We look forward to your participation. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I got it from my state affiliate. -----Original Message----- From: NMABS President Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 9:54 PM To: 'New Mexico Association of Blind Students' ; tavianaq at yahoo.com ; warriorqueen4 at gmail.com ; ewsinger at gmail.com ; monicamartinez203 at gmail.com ; nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org Subject: [Nmabs] FW: Website for College Students with Disabilities -----Original Message----- From: gabriela mccall [mailto:weconnectnow2008 at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 2:16 PM To: nmabs.president at gmail.com Subject: Website for College Students with Disabilities Dear Ms. Sena, I would like to share with you the link to the We Connect Now website. http://weconnectnow.wordpress.com/ The website was created while I was a college student with a grant I received from YP4 to develop a website to serve college students with disabilities. The website was developed in an effort to connect and integrate college students with disabilities as a virtual community with a voice on important issues. The We Connect Now website has been up and serving college students with disabilities since April of 2008. I wanted to share the We Connect Now website with you so that you may post it as a resource in your website or otherwise share it with students that you serve or have contact with. The website has been used as a resource by institutions of higher learning and has been linked to by colleges and universities and groups serving people with disabilities in 50 states and at least 9 foreign countries. I thank you for any and all help that you and your office may give me in promoting this project as a service to all college students with disabilities. Sincerely, Gabriela McCall Delgado _______________________________________________ Nmabs mailing list Nmabs at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nmabs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Nmabs: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nmabs_nfbnet.org/zach2012%40chickerland.com From amylsabo at comcast.net Wed Dec 28 03:36:50 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 20:36:50 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] converting music In-Reply-To: <4FB93F38875C44FF826AEF6C8813A129@OwnerPC> References: <000001ccc4ca$5a4a5300$0edef900$@comcast.net> <4FB93F38875C44FF826AEF6C8813A129@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <005a01ccc511$efd4ac30$cf7e0490$@comcast.net> Hello koby, I will email you off list. Thanks for sending to me your email address. Take care and, I will talk to you soon. Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Koby Cox Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:07 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] converting music Amy, Can you please email me off list? My email address is as follows: kobycox at gmail.com. Thanks, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sabo Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 1:04 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] converting music Hello, Is this accessible with jaws and, is it free or do I have to purchase this software? Thanks, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:41 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] converting music What about www.zamzer.com? That's what one of my friends told me, on another list. Blessings, Joshua On 12/27/11, Zach wrote: > use www.online-convert.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amy Sabo > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:44 AM > To: PERFORMING ARTS DIVISION > Cc: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS > Subject: [nabs-l] converting music > > Hello all, > > I hope that everyone had a good Christmas and, is looking forward > to the new year! Well, I got some brand new music for Christmas > thanks to my friends and my sister and, I wanted to play some > music and, well, it's not in mp3 format. I tried converting it in > express rip but, it only works for ripping albums into that > format. I then tried to convert the wma files into mp3 format in > goldwave and, well again it wouldn't work. > > So, I was wondering if any of you could help me out in how I can > convert these files of music into mp3 format from wma? What > software can I use besides the ones I just described below and, > are they accessible with jaws? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again and, I will > talk to you all soon! > > > > > Hugs, > amy > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zach2012%40ch ickerland.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gma il.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.925 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4105 - Release Date: 12/26/11 13:34:00 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net From amylsabo at comcast.net Wed Dec 28 03:37:27 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 20:37:27 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] converting music In-Reply-To: References: <000901ccc4b6$d80303f0$88090bd0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <005b01ccc512$05e6b270$11b41750$@comcast.net> That's fine... I will be here. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Lester Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] converting music Chris, and Amy, I'll E-mail both of you offlist. Blessings, Joshua On 12/27/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Joshua, > > I've never heard of that site. How does it work? > > Chris > > On 12/27/11, Joshua Lester wrote: >> What about www.zamzer.com? >> That's what one of my friends told me, on another list. >> Blessings, Joshua >> >> On 12/27/11, Zach wrote: >>> use www.online-convert.com >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Amy Sabo >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:44 AM >>> To: PERFORMING ARTS DIVISION >>> Cc: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS >>> Subject: [nabs-l] converting music >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I hope that everyone had a good Christmas and, is looking forward >>> to the new year! Well, I got some brand new music for Christmas >>> thanks to my friends and my sister and, I wanted to play some >>> music and, well, it's not in mp3 format. I tried converting it in >>> express rip but, it only works for ripping albums into that >>> format. I then tried to convert the wma files into mp3 format in >>> goldwave and, well again it wouldn't work. >>> >>> So, I was wondering if any of you could help me out in how I can >>> convert these files of music into mp3 format from wma? What >>> software can I use besides the ones I just described below and, >>> are they accessible with jaws? >>> >>> Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again and, I will >>> talk to you all soon! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hugs, >>> amy >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zach2012%40ch ickerland.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Chris Nusbaum > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If > a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can > be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan > > Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for > information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually > impaired children in MD say "I can!" > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net From amylsabo at comcast.net Wed Dec 28 03:47:08 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 20:47:08 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [nfbmi-talk] {Disarmed} ] THE 12 DAYS OF REHAB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005e01ccc513$5fee1230$1fca3690$@comcast.net> Hello all, This was sent to me from a colleague of mine on the nfb of mi list. Please read on for a good laugh! Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbmi-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christine Boone Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 12:57 PM To: NFB of Michigan Internet Mailing List Subject: [nfbmi-talk] {Disarmed} ] THE 12 DAYS OF REHAB Brothers and sisters in the NFB of Michigan, I know that I myself am the director of an orientation center, but I also know how the real world works and so when I read this message I laughed, because I did not want to cry. I also promise to redouble my efforts to provide the best possible services to blind people in Michigan, where ever they are in life, location and longing to independence. The following song lyric comes to us from Jim Antonacci, President of the NFB of Pennsylvania, where I once had the extreme honor to serve as the executive director of that state's vocational rehabilitation agency for the blind. > From: "Jim Antonacci" > Date: December 19, 2011 8:25:35 PM EST > > > > > On the first day of rehab my counselor gave to me > > > > a white cane because I cannot see. > > > > > > > > On the second day of rehab my counselor gave to me > > > > two talking books, > > > > and a white cane because I cannot see. > > > > > > > > On the third day of rehab my counselor gave to me > > > > three Braille Lites, > > > > two talking books, > > > > and a white cane because I cannot see. > > > > > > > > On the fourth day of rehab my counselor gave to me > > > > four talking clocks, > > > > three Braille Lites, > > > > two talking books, > > > > and a white cane because I cannot see. > > > > > > > > On the fifth day of rehab my counselor gave to me > > > > five years of school, > > > > four talking clocks, > > > > three Braille Lites, > > > > two talking books, > > > > and a white cane because I cannot see. > > > > > > > > On the sixth day of rehab my counselor gave to me > > > > Six dogs a-guiding, > > > > five years of school, > > > > four talking clocks, > > > > three Braille Lites, > > > > two talking books, > > > > and a white cane because I cannot see. > > > > > > > > On the 7th day of rehab my counselor gave to me > > > > Seven jobs applying, > > > > Six dogs a-guiding, > > > > five years of school, > > > > four talking clocks, > > > > three Braille Lites, > > > > two talking books, > > > > and a white cane because I cannot see. > > > > > > > > On the eighth day of rehab my counselor gave to me > > > > eight counselors counseling, > > > > Seven jobs applying, > > > > Six dogs a-guiding, > > > > five years of school, > > > > four talking clocks, > > > > three Braille Lites, > > > > two talking books, > > > > and a white cane because I cannot see. > > > > > > > > On the ninth day of rehab my counselor gave to me > > > > nine authorizations for filling, > > > > eight counselors counseling, > > > > Seven jobs applying, > > > > Six dogs a-guiding, > > > > five years of school, > > > > four talking clocks, > > > > three Braille Lites, > > > > two talking books, > > > > and a white cane because I cannot see. > > > > > > > > On the tenth day of rehab my counselor gave to me > > > > ten scanners reading, > > > > nine authorizations for filling, > > > > eight counselors counseling, > > > > Seven jobs applying, > > > > Six dogs a-guiding, > > > > five years of school, > > > > four talking clocks, > > > > three Braille Lites, > > > > two talking books, > > > > and a white cane because I cannot see. > > > > > > > > On the 11th day of rehab my counselor gave to me > > > > eleven magnifiers enlarging, > > > > ten scanners reading, > > > > nine authorizations for filling, > > > > eight counselors counseling, > > > > Seven jobs applying, > > > > Six dogs a-guiding, > > > > five years of school, > > > > four talking clocks, > > > > three Braille Lites, > > > > two talking books, > > > > and a white cane because I cannot see. > > > > > > > > On the 12th day of rehab my counselor gave to me > > > > twelve computers talking, > > > > eleven magnifiers enlarging, > > > > ten scanners reading, > > > > nine authorizations for filling, > > > > eight counselors counseling, > > > > Seven jobs applying, > > > > Six dogs a-guiding, > > > > five years of school, > > > > four talking clocks, > > > > three Braille Lites, > > > > two talking books, > > > > and a white cane because I cannot see. > > > > > > > > AND I STILL DON'T HAVE A JOB! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > __._,_.___ > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic > Messages in this topic (1) > RECENT ACTIVITY: New Members 1 > Visit Your Group > How many children in America are not taught to read? > The answer is 90 percent if the children are blind. > > Don't miss your opportunity to make change with a dollar! > Watch this video: > http://www.marchforindependence.org/site/R?i=ZR5rM_4vdwhiO_bZ-Vff Rg.. > > NFB of Pennsylvania wants to hear from you > phone 215.988.0888 > > > MARKETPLACE > Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest . Unsubscribe . Terms of Use > . > > __,_._,___ _______________________________________________ nfbmi-talk mailing list nfbmi-talk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbmi-talk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nfbmi-talk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbmi-talk_nfbnet.org/amylsabo% 40comcast.net From amylsabo at comcast.net Wed Dec 28 03:55:46 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 20:55:46 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] converting music In-Reply-To: <7538876421244870BC40EC04E11B474A@HUMBERTOAVILA> References: <000901ccc4b6$d80303f0$88090bd0$@comcast.net> <7538876421244870BC40EC04E11B474A@HUMBERTOAVILA> Message-ID: <000001ccc514$94cccf90$be666eb0$@comcast.net> Hello there, First of all thanks for your help but, like I have said to you all in previous messages the files were already ripped or downloaded from another source. I know how to rip cd's into mp3 format and, I use a program called express rip to do this instead of using windows media player for ripping my cd's. I tried this format and imoo it sucks! Thanks for the advice and, I will talk to you all soon. Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Humberto Avila Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 2:19 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] converting music Hello Amy, have you tried using windows media player? Windows media player comes built in to windows so you don't' have to worry about installing anything else. Just go to the start menu and search for "windows media player" under either all programs or into a search field for the start menu, depending on which version of windows you have. If you have windows 7, you will get the newest version of the player. Anyways once you launch the program, all you have to do is go into the tools menu and go into the options menu item and press enter. The windows media player settings will appear. Press control+tab to get to rip music (which is converting audio CD tracks to a specify digital file format.) press alt+A to jump straight into the "format:" combo box and press m to select to rip as mp3 format. Tab to the OK button and press the space bar. You can now rip music (convert music) directly into mp3 files without problems. To start ripping, in the player's user interface, you tab until you get to the rip button, the rip window will appear and if you want to start ripping immediately, press alt+s to jump quickly to and click the Start Rip Button. Please note however that you windows media player might or might not be different, depending on the version of windows you have or the version of the player itself. Just play around with it and let me know. Cheers, Humberto -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sabo Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 8:45 AM To: PERFORMING ARTS DIVISION Cc: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS Subject: [nabs-l] converting music Hello all, I hope that everyone had a good Christmas and, is looking forward to the new year! Well, I got some brand new music for Christmas thanks to my friends and my sister and, I wanted to play some music and, well, it's not in mp3 format. I tried converting it in express rip but, it only works for ripping albums into that format. I then tried to convert the wma files into mp3 format in goldwave and, well again it wouldn't work. So, I was wondering if any of you could help me out in how I can convert these files of music into mp3 format from wma? What software can I use besides the ones I just described below and, are they accessible with jaws? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again and, I will talk to you all soon! Hugs, amy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu mberto2%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net From amylsabo at comcast.net Wed Dec 28 04:04:25 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 21:04:25 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with a USB headset In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000101ccc515$ca56e820$5f04b860$@comcast.net> Hello chris, That's awesome that you got a usb headset for Christmas to use it for skype calls and using other things. I have a usb microphone headset and as a matter effect it's my 4 the one that I have used since I got on skype in the spring of 2008 thanks to my best friend. Anyway, yes, you can hear both the skype calls and the screen reader either if you are using jfw or nvda. Because I can hear it all together when I use skype with my microphone/headset with jfw and skype. Did you try to change the settings in the audio settings section of skype? Or fix the audio/sounds settings in your computer under control panel? Those would be the ideas/suggestions that I would prefer. If you are still having problems with the mike then ask where you got it from but, since you got it as a gift from someone ask where they got it and, if so then return it for a new one if that's the case. Those are my thoughts on this. Take care and happy new year to you! Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 5:00 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] problem with a USB headset Hi everyone, I got a USB headset for Christmas, and it is working great for my Skype calls. My only problem is that I can't hear my screen reader (I've tried both JAWS and NVDA) when I'm not in a Skype call, but I can hear Skype calls through the headset. Any suggestions as to how to fix this? Thanks! Chris -- Chris Nusbaum "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuissence." -- Kenneth Jernigan Visit the I C.A.N. Foundation online at: www.icanfoundation.info for information on our foundation and how it helps blind and visually impaired children in MD say "I can!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net From amylsabo at comcast.net Wed Dec 28 04:15:56 2011 From: amylsabo at comcast.net (Amy Sabo) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 21:15:56 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers In-Reply-To: <264894D4532142EAA24DA89FE3701E72@Espy> References: <1AEBE505A8894BF0AF6BE15FF362DC79@OwnerPC><0AFBEEE9964B43448040390E61CD2301@Gloria> <264894D4532142EAA24DA89FE3701E72@Espy> Message-ID: <000301ccc517$6610d2c0$32327840$@comcast.net> Hello hope and all, I also want to also add 3 schools when I lived in Michigan that have excellent programs in tvi and rehab teaching for the blind. I will list them here for you all... Western Michigan university-west Michigan area. This is the best one to offer these programs and it's also the best one in the usa too. As a matter of fact my father went to college there for his b.a. Michigan state university University of Michigan As for Colorado which is where I now live there's the university of Colorado too. I hope this answers some of your questions. Take care all and, I will talk to you all soon. Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Hope Paulos Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 1:16 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers UMass Boston has a program for TVI's. I'm going there for VRT but was originally in the TVI program. Hope and Beignet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Lester" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers Hi, Gloria. My instructors took classes at the Arkansas School for the Blind, for their TVI training. I'm not sure about other states, but mmy state's school for the Blind, had a program to train TVI's. I'm not sure if they still do. Blessings, Joshua On 12/27/11, Gloria G wrote: > Hi, > DOes anyone know where a person might receive trainning to become a TVI? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:29 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers > > >> Hi Arielle, >> >> Nice post. I liked how you did not put down the center, but did mention >> its weaknesses. I will add a few things from talking to a few attendees >> from >> LWSb. >> You are correct that LWSB offers independence training, but probably not >> to >> the degree NFB centers do. >> Each applicant goes for a 30 day evaluation in all the rehab skills; I >> think >> that is a bit long, but that is it. >> They recommend what skills to work on from there. If a applicant is ready >> to >> go into the vocational programs, they do so >> if they meet those requirements. Things like having a certain score on >> the >> Wonderlik test, a certain typing speed, computer proficiency, and strong >> writtin communication skills are some requirements. >> The requirements vary from program to program. >> >> You have to have a four year college degree for any of the four IRS >> training programs. I know the IRS really does hire applicants. When I was >> at a job fair, I ran into an IRS rep that mentioned they just hired a >> bunch of IRS trainees from lions World. >> >> Other training options are: >> . Desktop support technician- prepares students for entry level IT >> technician jobs >> . Assistive technology instructor >> . Microsoft office Specialist - prepares one for office jobs, to pass >> the Microsoft certification exams, and covers office suite applications >> . Microsoft certified professional developer - training to be a >> computer programmer >> . Microsoft computer systems engineer - entry level help desk training >> >> So if you wanted to go into a technical field, LWSB might be an option. >> If >> >> its not helpful, you can always leave. If you wanted >> to work for the IRS such as a tax collection rep, then this might be an >> option. They find you a job after training. >> >> For the living and going off campus, here is what I know. >> Students generally go to the cafeteria and live in the dorm. However, if >> you already demonstrated independent living skills, they do have off >> campus apartments. I think they have a shuttle taking students to and >> from >> >> the apartments, if I recall correctly. >> Students can go off campus. They just need to sign out and in. >> They can go in groups or alone. Some centers have a clearance rule, >> meaning you have to be cleared by O&M staff, but lwsb does not say this. >> >> I heard LWSb got a new director. So I imagine rules and policies are >> changing, hopefully for the better. So if you wanted to go into those >> vocations they train in, might be worth considering. >> Then when you have a job interview, you would have more training than >> sighted people might have. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Arielle Silverman >> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:51 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers >> >> Hi all, >> I have not attended LWSB in Arkansas, but havve heard some things >> about it from a few graduates. So, someone please correct me if >> anything I say about the center is incorrect, as I would like to learn >> more and b able to give people accurate information. >> Based on what I have heard from graduates, my impression is that >> LWSB/World Services for the Blind is a center that specializes in >> technical training for some specific types of jobs, like being an IRS >> collector or a small engine repair person. This kind of training is >> important, but it is not the same thing as the kind of comprehensive >> blindness skill training provided at NFB centers. While LWSB/World >> Services does provide training in blindness skills as well, my >> impression is that this general training is much less beneficial than >> the general skills training provided at NFB centers, and other centers >> that house students in apartments. While I can't comment on LWSB's >> philosophy, I do know that LWSB houses students in dormitories and >> that they dine in a cafeteria. In my opinion this kind of living >> environment is not very helpful for teaching blindness skills. Skills >> need to be practiced in order to be mastered, and apartment living >> affords opportunities to practice cooking, cleaning and other skills >> in a variety of real-world situations. Apartment living also affords >> opportunities to build confidence. Furthermore, I am not sure how much >> LWSB students are allowed or encouraged to travel off center premises >> on their own or in groups. This kind of real-world travel is an >> essential part of the training experience at NFB centers. >> So, I believe that if you are looking for technical training in a >> specific job field, LWSB/World Services might be an option worth >> considering. However, if you are looking for basic training in travel, >> home management, computers and Braille, or just want to build your >> overall confidence and independent functioning, I would highly >> recommend looking for a center that houses students in apartments and >> that allows students to get out and travel on their own during free >> time. If you have some vision but suspect you may eventually need to >> function with less or no sight, then picking a center that uses >> sleepshades may also be a priority. The NFB centers all meet these >> criteria, but there are also some state-run and private centers that >> do. So do your homework and ask about these things before making your >> choice. >> I make these suggestions based on my own experience at an NFB center, >> LCB, and based on conversations I have had with dozens of graduates >> from various kinds of training centers. I would be happy to talk >> further by email or phone (see contact info below) if you have more >> specific questions. >> Best, >> Arielle Silverman, Past NABS President and Board Member >> 602-502-2255 >> arielle71 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves %40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 0students.pccua.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co mcast.net From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 16:12:50 2011 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 11:12:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nmabs] FW: Website for College Students with Disabilities In-Reply-To: <22FD289E0A424C6F824308B190693BA2@ZachlaptopPC> References: <22FD289E0A424C6F824308B190693BA2@ZachlaptopPC> Message-ID: Hey, Thanks for sharing this website! It looks like a great resource, especially for people who are interested in disability right sin general, as I am. ~Jewel On 12/27/11, Zach wrote: > I thought this may be useful to some and sorry if it's a repeat. I got it > from my state affiliate. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NMABS President > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 9:54 PM > To: 'New Mexico Association of Blind Students' ; tavianaq at yahoo.com ; > warriorqueen4 at gmail.com ; ewsinger at gmail.com ; monicamartinez203 at gmail.com ; > nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org > Subject: [Nmabs] FW: Website for College Students with Disabilities > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gabriela mccall [mailto:weconnectnow2008 at gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 2:16 PM > To: nmabs.president at gmail.com > Subject: Website for College Students with Disabilities > > Dear Ms. Sena, > > I would like to share with you the link to the We Connect Now website. > http://weconnectnow.wordpress.com/ The website was created while I was a > college student with a grant I received from YP4 to develop a website to > serve college students with disabilities. The website was developed in an > effort to connect and integrate college students with disabilities as a > virtual community with a voice on important issues. > The We Connect Now website has been up and serving college students with > disabilities since April of 2008. > > I wanted to share the We Connect Now website with you so that you may post > it as a resource in your website or otherwise share it with students that > you serve or have contact with. The website has been used as a resource by > institutions of higher learning and has been linked to by colleges and > universities and groups serving people with disabilities in 50 states and at > least 9 foreign countries. > > I thank you for any and all help that you and your office may give me in > promoting this project as a service to all college students with > disabilities. > > Sincerely, > > Gabriela McCall Delgado > > > _______________________________________________ > Nmabs mailing list > Nmabs at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nmabs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Nmabs: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nmabs_nfbnet.org/zach2012%40chickerland.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 16:59:38 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 11:59:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nmabs] FW: Website for College Students withDisabilities Message-ID: <4efb4b13.83d6e00a.018d.1174@mx.google.com> Hi Zach, Thank you for this! I will put this in the list of resources to be used on our site. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zach" So, then, what are you trying to do? Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Sabo" Message-ID: <2EF72800FAFD41A29B777B96410DB876@Gloria> Hi, Does anyone know how I would open a PDF when JAWs says the document is empty. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jewel" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nmabs] FW: Website for College Students withDisabilities > Hey, > Thanks for sharing this website! It looks like a great resource, > especially for people who are interested in disability right sin > general, as I am. > ~Jewel > > On 12/27/11, Zach wrote: >> I thought this may be useful to some and sorry if it's a repeat. I got it >> from my state affiliate. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NMABS President >> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 9:54 PM >> To: 'New Mexico Association of Blind Students' ; tavianaq at yahoo.com ; >> warriorqueen4 at gmail.com ; ewsinger at gmail.com ; >> monicamartinez203 at gmail.com ; >> nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [Nmabs] FW: Website for College Students with Disabilities >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: gabriela mccall [mailto:weconnectnow2008 at gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 2:16 PM >> To: nmabs.president at gmail.com >> Subject: Website for College Students with Disabilities >> >> Dear Ms. Sena, >> >> I would like to share with you the link to the We Connect Now website. >> http://weconnectnow.wordpress.com/ The website was created while I was a >> college student with a grant I received from YP4 to develop a website to >> serve college students with disabilities. The website was developed in an >> effort to connect and integrate college students with disabilities as a >> virtual community with a voice on important issues. >> The We Connect Now website has been up and serving college students with >> disabilities since April of 2008. >> >> I wanted to share the We Connect Now website with you so that you may >> post >> it as a resource in your website or otherwise share it with students that >> you serve or have contact with. The website has been used as a resource >> by >> institutions of higher learning and has been linked to by colleges and >> universities and groups serving people with disabilities in 50 states and >> at >> least 9 foreign countries. >> >> I thank you for any and all help that you and your office may give me in >> promoting this project as a service to all college students with >> disabilities. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Gabriela McCall Delgado >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nmabs mailing list >> Nmabs at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nmabs_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> Nmabs: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nmabs_nfbnet.org/zach2012%40chickerland.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 17:17:24 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:17:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with a USB headset Message-ID: <4efb4f3d.476de00a.01be.ffffde87@mx.google.com> Hi Amy, I too can hear JAWS when I'm in a Skype call, but I can't hear it by itself, when I'm not in a call. Someone else told me to change the sound card setting in JAWS to the USB headset in the JAWS utilities menu, so I'll try that first and see if it works. What settings in the control panel could I change to get this to work? Thanks! Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Sabo" Repository of accessible college textbooks The AccessText Network is a national membership exchange that facilitates the delivery of alternative electronic higher-education textbooks for students diagnosed with print-related mobility, visual, or reading disabilities. Qualified students enrolled at member institutions may receive electronic files in accessible formats in just a few days. The network includes more than five hundred colleges and universities in forty-nine states and provides students with access to more than 360,000 textbook titles. To learn if a school participates in this network, contact its office for students with disabilities. For more information visit www.AccessText.org. From gloria.graves at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 17:24:12 2011 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 11:24:12 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] repository of accessible college textbooks References: <4efb4f3e.476de00a.01be.ffffde88@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi so this cite may have a textbook I am looking for? I am not femilure with this cite so just was wondering what it was all about ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "NFB NABS list" Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:17 AM Subject: [nabs-l] repository of accessible college textbooks > > > Repository of accessible college textbooks > The AccessText Network is a national membership exchange that facilitates > the delivery > of alternative electronic higher-education textbooks for students > diagnosed with > print-related mobility, visual, or reading disabilities. Qualified > students enrolled > at member institutions may receive electronic files in accessible formats > in just > a few days. The network includes more than five hundred colleges and > universities > in forty-nine states and provides students with access to more than > 360,000 textbook > titles. To learn if a school participates in this network, contact its > office for > students with disabilities. For more information visit > www.AccessText.org. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 17:28:27 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:28:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nmabs] FW: Website for College StudentswithDisabilities Message-ID: <4efb51d4.0e6fe00a.3c4b.180d@mx.google.com> It's an image, so you'll have to do OCR on it. If you have JAWS 13, this is built in; otherwise, you'll have to use Kurzweil or OpenBook. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" wrote: I thought this may be useful to some and sorry if it's a repeat. I got it from my state affiliate. -----Original Message----- From: NMABS President Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 9:54 PM To: 'New Mexico Association of Blind Students' ; tavianaq at yahoo.com ; warriorqueen4 at gmail.com ; ewsinger at gmail.com ; monicamartinez203 at gmail.com ; nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org Subject: [Nmabs] FW: Website for College Students with Disabilities -----Original Message----- From: gabriela mccall [mailto:weconnectnow2008 at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 2:16 PM To: nmabs.president at gmail.com Subject: Website for College Students with Disabilities Dear Ms. Sena, I would like to share with you the link to the We Connect Now website. http://weconnectnow.wordpress.com/ The website was created while I was a college student with a grant I received from YP4 to develop a website to serve college students with disabilities. The website was developed in an effort to connect and integrate college students with disabilities as a virtual community with a voice on important issues. The We Connect Now website has been up and serving college students with disabilities since April of 2008. I wanted to share the We Connect Now website with you so that you may post it as a resource in your website or otherwise share it with students that you serve or have contact with. The website has been used as a resource by institutions of higher learning and has been linked to by colleges and universities and groups serving people with disabilities in 50 states and at least 9 foreign countries. I thank you for any and all help that you and your office may give me in promoting this project as a service to all college students with disabilities. Sincerely, Gabriela McCall Delgado _______________________________________________ Nmabs mailing list Nmabs at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nmabs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Nmabs: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nmabs_nfbnet.org/zach2012%40chi ckerland.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 17:30:00 2011 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 11:30:00 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] repository of accessible college textbooks References: <4efb4f3e.476de00a.01be.ffffde88@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, So with this cite I can put ina list of textbooks I need for the semester and I may be able to find them here? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "NFB NABS list" Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:17 AM Subject: [nabs-l] repository of accessible college textbooks > > > Repository of accessible college textbooks > The AccessText Network is a national membership exchange that facilitates > the delivery > of alternative electronic higher-education textbooks for students > diagnosed with > print-related mobility, visual, or reading disabilities. Qualified > students enrolled > at member institutions may receive electronic files in accessible formats > in just > a few days. The network includes more than five hundred colleges and > universities > in forty-nine states and provides students with access to more than > 360,000 textbook > titles. To learn if a school participates in this network, contact its > office for > students with disabilities. For more information visit > www.AccessText.org. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 17:31:09 2011 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 11:31:09 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nmabs] FW: Website for CollegeStudentswithDisabilities References: <4efb51d4.0e6fe00a.3c4b.180d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <67D93F14DF424BDAB67427CAD2E7782F@Gloria> thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nmabs] FW: Website for CollegeStudentswithDisabilities > It's an image, so you'll have to do OCR on it. If you have JAWS 13, this > is built in; otherwise, you'll have to use Kurzweil or OpenBook. > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in > Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive > technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be > equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation > and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 11:05:51 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nmabs] FW: Website for College > StudentswithDisabilities > > Hi, > Does anyone know how I would open a PDF when JAWs says the document is > empty. Thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jewel" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 10:12 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nmabs] FW: Website for College Students > withDisabilities > > > Hey, > Thanks for sharing this website! It looks like a great resource, > especially for people who are interested in disability right sin > general, as I am. > ~Jewel > > On 12/27/11, Zach wrote: > I thought this may be useful to some and sorry if it's a repeat. I got it > from my state affiliate. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NMABS President > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 9:54 PM > To: 'New Mexico Association of Blind Students' ; tavianaq at yahoo.com ; > warriorqueen4 at gmail.com ; ewsinger at gmail.com ; > monicamartinez203 at gmail.com ; > nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org > Subject: [Nmabs] FW: Website for College Students with Disabilities > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gabriela mccall [mailto:weconnectnow2008 at gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 2:16 PM > To: nmabs.president at gmail.com > Subject: Website for College Students with Disabilities > > Dear Ms. Sena, > > I would like to share with you the link to the We Connect Now website. > http://weconnectnow.wordpress.com/ The website was created while I was a > college student with a grant I received from YP4 to develop a website to > serve college students with disabilities. The website was developed in an > effort to connect and integrate college students with disabilities as a > virtual community with a voice on important issues. > The We Connect Now website has been up and serving college students with > disabilities since April of 2008. > > I wanted to share the We Connect Now website with you so that you may > post > it as a resource in your website or otherwise share it with students that > you serve or have contact with. The website has been used as a resource > by > institutions of higher learning and has been linked to by colleges and > universities and groups serving people with disabilities in 50 states and > at > least 9 foreign countries. > > I thank you for any and all help that you and your office may give me in > promoting this project as a service to all college students with > disabilities. > > Sincerely, > > Gabriela McCall Delgado > > > _______________________________________________ > Nmabs mailing list > Nmabs at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nmabs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > Nmabs: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nmabs_nfbnet.org/zach2012%40chi > ckerland.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 17:31:07 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:31:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] repository of accessible college textbooks Message-ID: <4efb5274.d2dee00a.441a.ffffe142@mx.google.com> If you or your school is a member of AccessText, all you have to do is search for the book. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" Probably. I'm not familiar with this site either, just passing it on. That would make sense to me though, as it's probably like RFBD or Bookshare. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" What JAWS version do you use and what scan-and-read program do you use? I can tell you how to do OCR on a PDF document in JAWS 13 using its built-in OCR engine, and how to do it in Kurzweil; if you use Openbook, I can't help you, as I don't use that program. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" wrote: I thought this may be useful to some and sorry if it's a repeat. I got it from my state affiliate. -----Original Message----- From: NMABS President Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 9:54 PM To: 'New Mexico Association of Blind Students' ; tavianaq at yahoo.com ; warriorqueen4 at gmail.com ; ewsinger at gmail.com ; monicamartinez203 at gmail.com ; nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org Subject: [Nmabs] FW: Website for College Students with Disabilities -----Original Message----- From: gabriela mccall [mailto:weconnectnow2008 at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 2:16 PM To: nmabs.president at gmail.com Subject: Website for College Students with Disabilities Dear Ms. Sena, I would like to share with you the link to the We Connect Now website. http://weconnectnow.wordpress.com/ The website was created while I was a college student with a grant I received from YP4 to develop a website to serve college students with disabilities. The website was developed in an effort to connect and integrate college students with disabilities as a virtual community with a voice on important issues. The We Connect Now website has been up and serving college students with disabilities since April of 2008. I wanted to share the We Connect Now website with you so that you may post it as a resource in your website or otherwise share it with students that you serve or have contact with. The website has been used as a resource by institutions of higher learning and has been linked to by colleges and universities and groups serving people with disabilities in 50 states and at least 9 foreign countries. I thank you for any and all help that you and your office may give me in promoting this project as a service to all college students with disabilities. Sincerely, Gabriela McCall Delgado _______________________________________________ Nmabs mailing list Nmabs at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nmabs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Nmabs: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nmabs_nfbnet.org/zach2012%40chi ckerland.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 17:46:05 2011 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 11:46:05 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nmabs] FW: WebsiteforCollegeStudentswithDisabilities References: <4efb54a0.0849e00a.4172.ffff9376@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <62EB6F8FE1894A4A94AD2C3F320C5BC5@Gloria> Hi I have Kerzwile and i am running JAWs 12. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nmabs] FW: WebsiteforCollegeStudentswithDisabilities > What JAWS version do you use and what scan-and-read program do you use? I > can tell you how to do OCR on a PDF document in JAWS 13 using its built-in > OCR engine, and how to do it in Kurzweil; if you use Openbook, I can't > help you, as I don't use that program. > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in > Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive > technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be > equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation > and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 11:31:09 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nmabs] FW: Website > forCollegeStudentswithDisabilities > > thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:28 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nmabs] FW: Website for > CollegeStudentswithDisabilities > > > It's an image, so you'll have to do OCR on it. If you have JAWS 13, this > is built in; otherwise, you'll have to use Kurzweil or OpenBook. > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in > Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive > technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be > equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation > and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 11:05:51 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nmabs] FW: Website for College > StudentswithDisabilities > > Hi, > Does anyone know how I would open a PDF when JAWs says the document is > empty. Thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jewel" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 10:12 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nmabs] FW: Website for College Students > withDisabilities > > > Hey, > Thanks for sharing this website! It looks like a great resource, > especially for people who are interested in disability right sin > general, as I am. > ~Jewel > > On 12/27/11, Zach wrote: > I thought this may be useful to some and sorry if it's a repeat. I got it > from my state affiliate. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NMABS President > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 9:54 PM > To: 'New Mexico Association of Blind Students' ; tavianaq at yahoo.com ; > warriorqueen4 at gmail.com ; ewsinger at gmail.com ; > monicamartinez203 at gmail.com ; > nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org > Subject: [Nmabs] FW: Website for College Students with Disabilities > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gabriela mccall [mailto:weconnectnow2008 at gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 2:16 PM > To: nmabs.president at gmail.com > Subject: Website for College Students with Disabilities > > Dear Ms. Sena, > > I would like to share with you the link to the We Connect Now website. > http://weconnectnow.wordpress.com/ The website was created while I was a > college student with a grant I received from YP4 to develop a website to > serve college students with disabilities. The website was developed in an > effort to connect and integrate college students with disabilities as a > virtual community with a voice on important issues. > The We Connect Now website has been up and serving college students with > disabilities since April of 2008. > > I wanted to share the We Connect Now website with you so that you may > post > it as a resource in your website or otherwise share it with students that > you serve or have contact with. The website has been used as a resource > by > institutions of higher learning and has been linked to by colleges and > universities and groups serving people with disabilities in 50 states and > at > least 9 foreign countries. > > I thank you for any and all help that you and your office may give me in > promoting this project as a service to all college students with > disabilities. > > Sincerely, > > Gabriela McCall Delgado > > > _______________________________________________ > Nmabs mailing list > Nmabs at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nmabs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > Nmabs: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nmabs_nfbnet.org/zach2012%40chi > ckerland.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Dec 28 18:57:32 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:57:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods Message-ID: <1D3831D6B1E24ED99CEB43BE52E325FA@OwnerPC> Hi all, What are your experiences with Ipods? Are all now built in with that talking speech voice over? I have a small ipod shuffle that was a present to me a few years ago. What memory sizes do Ipod shuffles come in now? Mine is only 1 gig, which I’m discovering is not big enough! I’m not interested in a touch screen device because I think it would be too easy to press the wrong thing. Are any ipods screen based but not a touch screen? I thought the ipod nano was a touch screen, but not sure. Anyone used an ipod for books or movies? What is the navigation ability with them? By chapter? I might get an ipod again with a bigger memory capacity and wondered my options. I like the shuffle because its small and simple to use; few buttons. So I might stick with that. Thanks. Ashley From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 19:04:39 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:04:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nmabs] FW:WebsiteforCollegeStudentswithDisabilities Message-ID: <4efb6866.c3bde00a.4eab.2881@mx.google.com> So you'll have to use Kurzweil to do this. Just save the PDF document anywhere you want it to be on your computer, then bring up the file in Kurzweil. It will start scanning automatically. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria G" wrote: I thought this may be useful to some and sorry if it's a repeat. I got it from my state affiliate. -----Original Message----- From: NMABS President Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 9:54 PM To: 'New Mexico Association of Blind Students' ; tavianaq at yahoo.com ; warriorqueen4 at gmail.com ; ewsinger at gmail.com ; monicamartinez203 at gmail.com ; nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org Subject: [Nmabs] FW: Website for College Students with Disabilities -----Original Message----- From: gabriela mccall [mailto:weconnectnow2008 at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 2:16 PM To: nmabs.president at gmail.com Subject: Website for College Students with Disabilities Dear Ms. Sena, I would like to share with you the link to the We Connect Now website. http://weconnectnow.wordpress.com/ The website was created while I was a college student with a grant I received from YP4 to develop a website to serve college students with disabilities. The website was developed in an effort to connect and integrate college students with disabilities as a virtual community with a voice on important issues. The We Connect Now website has been up and serving college students with disabilities since April of 2008. I wanted to share the We Connect Now website with you so that you may post it as a resource in your website or otherwise share it with students that you serve or have contact with. The website has been used as a resource by institutions of higher learning and has been linked to by colleges and universities and groups serving people with disabilities in 50 states and at least 9 foreign countries. I thank you for any and all help that you and your office may give me in promoting this project as a service to all college students with disabilities. Sincerely, Gabriela McCall Delgado _______________________________________________ Nmabs mailing list Nmabs at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nmabs_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Nmabs: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nmabs_nfbnet.org/zach2012%40chi ckerland.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 19:06:56 2011 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:06:56 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nmabs]FW:WebsiteforCollegeStudentswithDisabilities References: <4efb6866.c3bde00a.4eab.2881@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <689F8E7DE5D04A7AAFDB010B36C36CBA@Gloria> thanks I will do that ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nmabs]FW:WebsiteforCollegeStudentswithDisabilities > So you'll have to use Kurzweil to do this. Just save the PDF document > anywhere you want it to be on your computer, then bring up the file in > Kurzweil. It will start scanning automatically. > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in > Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive > technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be > equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation > and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 11:46:05 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nmabs] > FW:WebsiteforCollegeStudentswithDisabilities > > Hi I have Kerzwile and i am running JAWs 12. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:40 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nmabs] FW: > WebsiteforCollegeStudentswithDisabilities > > > What JAWS version do you use and what scan-and-read program do you use? I > can tell you how to do OCR on a PDF document in JAWS 13 using its built-in > OCR engine, and how to do it in Kurzweil; if you use Openbook, I can't > help you, as I don't use that program. > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in > Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive > technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be > equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation > and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 11:31:09 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nmabs] FW: Website > forCollegeStudentswithDisabilities > > thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:28 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nmabs] FW: Website for > CollegeStudentswithDisabilities > > > It's an image, so you'll have to do OCR on it. If you have JAWS 13, this > is built in; otherwise, you'll have to use Kurzweil or OpenBook. > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in > Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive > technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be > equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation > and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gloria G" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 11:05:51 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nmabs] FW: Website for College > StudentswithDisabilities > > Hi, > Does anyone know how I would open a PDF when JAWs says the document is > empty. Thanks > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jewel" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 10:12 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fw: [Nmabs] FW: Website for College Students > withDisabilities > > > Hey, > Thanks for sharing this website! It looks like a great resource, > especially for people who are interested in disability right sin > general, as I am. > ~Jewel > > On 12/27/11, Zach wrote: > I thought this may be useful to some and sorry if it's a repeat. I got it > from my state affiliate. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NMABS President > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 9:54 PM > To: 'New Mexico Association of Blind Students' ; tavianaq at yahoo.com ; > warriorqueen4 at gmail.com ; ewsinger at gmail.com ; > monicamartinez203 at gmail.com ; > nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org > Subject: [Nmabs] FW: Website for College Students with Disabilities > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: gabriela mccall [mailto:weconnectnow2008 at gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 2:16 PM > To: nmabs.president at gmail.com > Subject: Website for College Students with Disabilities > > Dear Ms. Sena, > > I would like to share with you the link to the We Connect Now website. > http://weconnectnow.wordpress.com/ The website was created while I was a > college student with a grant I received from YP4 to develop a website to > serve college students with disabilities. The website was developed in an > effort to connect and integrate college students with disabilities as a > virtual community with a voice on important issues. > The We Connect Now website has been up and serving college students with > disabilities since April of 2008. > > I wanted to share the We Connect Now website with you so that you may > post > it as a resource in your website or otherwise share it with students that > you serve or have contact with. The website has been used as a resource > by > institutions of higher learning and has been linked to by colleges and > universities and groups serving people with disabilities in 50 states and > at > least 9 foreign countries. > > I thank you for any and all help that you and your office may give me in > promoting this project as a service to all college students with > disabilities. > > Sincerely, > > Gabriela McCall Delgado > > > _______________________________________________ > Nmabs mailing list > Nmabs at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nmabs_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > Nmabs: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nmabs_nfbnet.org/zach2012%40chi > ckerland.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Dec 28 19:07:46 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:07:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] repository of accessible college textbooks In-Reply-To: References: <4efb4f3e.476de00a.01be.ffffde88@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1787CF20981945579029D5B3F4D879D1@OwnerPC> Gloria, your school has to belong for you to access it. Unless things have changed, my community college is not a member, -----Original Message----- From: Gloria G Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] repository of accessible college textbooks Hi, So with this cite I can put ina list of textbooks I need for the semester and I may be able to find them here? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "NFB NABS list" Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:17 AM Subject: [nabs-l] repository of accessible college textbooks > > > Repository of accessible college textbooks > The AccessText Network is a national membership exchange that facilitates > the delivery > of alternative electronic higher-education textbooks for students > diagnosed with > print-related mobility, visual, or reading disabilities. Qualified > students enrolled > at member institutions may receive electronic files in accessible formats > in just > a few days. The network includes more than five hundred colleges and > universities > in forty-nine states and provides students with access to more than > 360,000 textbook > titles. To learn if a school participates in this network, contact its > office for > students with disabilities. For more information visit > www.AccessText.org. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 19:21:01 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:21:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods Message-ID: <4efb6c36.42c8e00a.05f5.0ed9@mx.google.com> Hi=20Ashley, Here=20are=20some=20answers=20to=20your=20questions: *=20Memory=20Space:=20That=20Shuffle=20must=20be=20pretty=20old!=20The=20ne= wer=20iPod's=20 come=20in=20a=20lot=20bigger=20sizes;=20I=20have=20a=208=20GB=20Nano.=20=20= There=20are=2016=20gig=20 models=20too. *=20VoiceOver:=20All=20iPods=20after=20the=20Classic=20have=20VoiceOver=20b= uilt=20in,=20 to=20the=20best=20of=20my=20knowledge.=20=20It=20might=20have=20started=20w= ith=20the=201st=20 generation=20Nano,=20though;=20I=20can't=20remember. *=20Nano=20and=20touch=20stcreens:=20I=20have=20a=20Nano,=20and=20it=20is=20= a=20combination=20 of=20a=20touch=20screen=20and=20buttons.=20=20However,=20you=20can't=20real= ly=20tell=20 that=20they=20are=20buttons=20at=20first=20because=20they're=20not=20very=20= raised,=20 so=20it=20looks=20like=20a=20touch=20screen.=20=20To=20fix=20this=20problem= ,=20I=20put=20Wiki=20 sticks=20on=20each=20button=20to=20raise=20them,=20and=20had=20a=20sighted= =20person=20 help=20me=20learn=20which=20button=20did=20what.=20=20I=20then=20used=20the= =20clock-face=20 technique=20to=20learn=20it.=20=20On=20the=20Nano,=20the=20button=20at:=201= 2=20o'clock=20is=20 the=20"go=20forward"=20button=20(to=20go=20forward=20a=20track=20in=20an=20= album=20or=20go=20 to=20the=20next=20song=20in=20a=20playlist,=20genius=20mix,=20or=20when=20t= he=20iPod=20is=20 in=20shuffle=20mode,)=203=20o'clock=20is=20the=20play/pause=20button,=206=20= o'clock=20 is=20the=20go=20back=20button,=20and=209=20o'clock=20is=20the=20menu=20butt= on=20(to=20go=20to=20 the=20previous=20menu.)=20The=20button=20in=20the=20middle=20of=20the=20cir= cle=20where=20 all=20the=20buttons=20are=20is=20the=20"OK"=20or=20"select"=20button.=20=20= If=20you=20are=20 hearing=20a=20song=20and=20you=20want=20to=20know=20the=20title=20and=20art= ist=20of=20the=20 song=20that=20is=20playing,=20just=20hit=20the=20center=20button=20and=20Vo= iceOver=20 will=20tell=20you.=20=20You=20may=20have=20to=20do=20this=20twice.=20=20And= =20if=20you=20shake=20 the=20device,=20it=20will=20shuffle=20the=20songs;=20this=20is=20the=20"sha= ke=20to=20 shuffle"=20feature.=20=20The=20only=20time=20you=20will=20need=20to=20use=20= a=20 touchscreen-like=20gesture=20is=20when=20you=20are=20in=20a=20menu.=20=20Ju= st=20a=20 little=20flick=20(1=20finger)=20forward=20will=20move=20you=20to=20the=20ne= xt=20item=20in=20 the=20menu;=20a=20flick=20back=20will=20move=20you=20to=20the=20previous=20= item=20in=20the=20 menu.=20=20When=20you=20get=20to=20the=20item=20you=20want,=20hit=20the=20c= enter=20button. If=20you=20have=20any=20more=20questions=20about=20the=20iPod=20Nano,=20ple= ase=20let=20me=20 know!=20Hope=20this=20helps! Chris Merry=20Christmas=20and=20a=20happy=20and=20prosperous=20new=20year! "The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi= ght.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance." --=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President,=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20= Blind,=20 1968-1986 =20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20blind=20and=20visually=20impa= ired=20youth=20 in=20Maryland=20say=20"I=20can,"=20by=20empowering=20them=20through=20provi= ding=20 assistive=20technology=20and=20scholarships=20to=20camps=20and=20convention= s=20 which=20help=20them=20be=20equal=20with=20their=20sighted=20peers.=20=20For= =20more=20 information=20about=20the=20Foundation=20and=20to=20support=20our=20work,=20= visit=20 us=20online=20at=20www.icanfoundation.info! =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20 References: <4efb6c36.42c8e00a.05f5.0ed9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1A9019975FCB4BC68A80B32308567248@OwnerPC> Chris, You must really love music; I'm not sure I need a 8 gb size; maybe four or six gb would do for me. Are the buttons on the nano on a keypad? Is it like a phone keypad? On the shuffle, the buttons are around the circular okay button. Now that I know you do not have to interact with the screen much and do gestures, maybe I could learn the nano. I like the idea of marking it with dots or tape. I've also used the clock face reference to learn button functions. Yes the ipod shuffle is old. So next one will be a shuffle or a nano. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods Hi Ashley, Here are some answers to your questions: * Memory Space: That Shuffle must be pretty old! The newer iPod's come in a lot bigger sizes; I have a 8 GB Nano. There are 16 gig models too. * VoiceOver: All iPods after the Classic have VoiceOver built in, to the best of my knowledge. It might have started with the 1st generation Nano, though; I can't remember. * Nano and touch stcreens: I have a Nano, and it is a combination of a touch screen and buttons. However, you can't really tell that they are buttons at first because they're not very raised, so it looks like a touch screen. To fix this problem, I put Wiki sticks on each button to raise them, and had a sighted person help me learn which button did what. I then used the clock-face technique to learn it. On the Nano, the button at: 12 o'clock is the "go forward" button (to go forward a track in an album or go to the next song in a playlist, genius mix, or when the iPod is in shuffle mode,) 3 o'clock is the play/pause button, 6 o'clock is the go back button, and 9 o'clock is the menu button (to go to the previous menu.) The button in the middle of the circle where all the buttons are is the "OK" or "select" button. If you are hearing a song and you want to know the title and artist of the song that is playing, just hit the center button and VoiceOver will tell you. You may have to do this twice. And if you shake the device, it will shuffle the songs; this is the "shake to shuffle" feature. The only time you will need to use a touchscreen-like gesture is when you are in a menu. Just a little flick (1 finger) forward will move you to the next item in the menu; a flick back will move you to the previous item in the menu. When you get to the item you want, hit the center button. If you have any more questions about the iPod Nano, please let me know! Hope this helps! Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" References: <4efb6c36.42c8e00a.05f5.0ed9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <-7291677275785081037@unknownmsgid> I don't think you have the current nano model, which does have a real touch screen. Yours is one of the older ones with a click wheel. The current model is a great device, which you mostly operate by flicking and double tapping when using VoiceIver. Go to a store and try it. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 28, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Ashley, > > Here are some answers to your questions: > > * Memory Space: That Shuffle must be pretty old! The newer iPod's come in a lot bigger sizes; I have a 8 GB Nano. There are 16 gig models too. > > * VoiceOver: All iPods after the Classic have VoiceOver built in, to the best of my knowledge. It might have started with the 1st generation Nano, though; I can't remember. > > * Nano and touch stcreens: I have a Nano, and it is a combination of a touch screen and buttons. However, you can't really tell that they are buttons at first because they're not very raised, so it looks like a touch screen. To fix this problem, I put Wiki sticks on each button to raise them, and had a sighted person help me learn which button did what. I then used the clock-face technique to learn it. On the Nano, the button at: 12 o'clock is the "go forward" button (to go forward a track in an album or go to the next song in a playlist, genius mix, or when the iPod is in shuffle mode,) 3 o'clock is the play/pause button, 6 o'clock is the go back button, and 9 o'clock is the menu button (to go to the previous menu.) The button in the middle of the circle where all the buttons are is the "OK" or "select" button. If you are hearing a song and you want to know the title and artist of the song that is playing, just hit the center button and VoiceOver will tell you. You may have to do this twice. And if you shake the device, it will shuffle the songs; this is the "shake to shuffle" feature. The only time you will need to use a touchscreen-like gesture is when you are in a menu. Just a little flick (1 finger) forward will move you to the next item in the menu; a flick back will move you to the previous item in the menu. When you get to the item you want, hit the center button. > > If you have any more questions about the iPod Nano, please let me know! Hope this helps! > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:57:32 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Hi all, > > What are your experiences with Ipods? Are all now built in with that talking speech voice over? I have a small ipod shuffle that was a present to me a few years ago. > What memory sizes do Ipod shuffles come in now? Mine is only 1 gig, which I€™m discovering is not big enough! > I€™m not interested in a touch screen device because I think it would be too easy to press the wrong thing. Are any ipods screen based but not a touch screen? I thought the ipod nano was a touch screen, but not sure. > > Anyone used an ipod for books or movies? What is the navigation ability with them? By chapter? > I might get an ipod again with a bigger memory capacity and wondered my options. I like the shuffle because its small and simple to use; few buttons. So I might stick with that. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 19:36:39 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 20:36:39 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods In-Reply-To: <14533422.84947.1325100779699.JavaMail.mobile-sync@vbbca4> References: <4efb6c36.42c8e00a.05f5.0ed9@mx.google.com> <14533422.84947.1325100779699.JavaMail.mobile-sync@vbbca4> Message-ID: <-5839038665187919172@unknownmsgid> You don't have to mark stuff on the current nano. It's as simple as it gets, really. If you want a simple fully accessible music player it's definitely the best option out there. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 28, 2011, at 8:32 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Chris, > You must really love music; I'm not sure I need a 8 gb size; maybe four or > six gb would do for me. > Are the buttons on the nano on a keypad? Is it like a phone keypad? On the > shuffle, the buttons are around the circular okay button. > Now that I know you do not have to interact with the screen much and do > gestures, maybe I could learn the nano. > I like the idea of marking it with dots or tape. I've also used the clock > face reference to learn button functions. Yes the ipod shuffle is old. > So next one will be a shuffle or a nano. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Hi Ashley, > > Here are some answers to your questions: > > * Memory Space: That Shuffle must be pretty old! The newer iPod's > come in a lot bigger sizes; I have a 8 GB Nano. There are 16 gig > models too. > > * VoiceOver: All iPods after the Classic have VoiceOver built in, > to the best of my knowledge. It might have started with the 1st > generation Nano, though; I can't remember. > > * Nano and touch stcreens: I have a Nano, and it is a combination > of a touch screen and buttons. However, you can't really tell > that they are buttons at first because they're not very raised, > so it looks like a touch screen. To fix this problem, I put Wiki > sticks on each button to raise them, and had a sighted person > help me learn which button did what. I then used the clock-face > technique to learn it. On the Nano, the button at: 12 o'clock is > the "go forward" button (to go forward a track in an album or go > to the next song in a playlist, genius mix, or when the iPod is > in shuffle mode,) 3 o'clock is the play/pause button, 6 o'clock > is the go back button, and 9 o'clock is the menu button (to go to > the previous menu.) The button in the middle of the circle where > all the buttons are is the "OK" or "select" button. If you are > hearing a song and you want to know the title and artist of the > song that is playing, just hit the center button and VoiceOver > will tell you. You may have to do this twice. And if you shake > the device, it will shuffle the songs; this is the "shake to > shuffle" feature. The only time you will need to use a > touchscreen-like gesture is when you are in a menu. Just a > little flick (1 finger) forward will move you to the next item in > the menu; a flick back will move you to the previous item in the > menu. When you get to the item you want, hit the center button. > > If you have any more questions about the iPod Nano, please let me > know! Hope this helps! > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:57:32 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Hi all, > > What are your experiences with Ipods? Are all now built in with > that talking speech voice over? I have a small ipod shuffle that > was a present to me a few years ago. > What memory sizes do Ipod shuffles come in now? Mine is only 1 > gig, which I?셫 discovering is not big enough! > I?셫 not interested in a touch screen device because I think it > would be too easy to press the wrong thing. Are any ipods screen > based but not a touch screen? I thought the ipod nano was a touch > screen, but not sure. > > Anyone used an ipod for books or movies? What is the navigation > ability with them? By chapter? > I might get an ipod again with a bigger memory capacity and > wondered my options. I like the shuffle because its small and > simple to use; few buttons. So I might stick with that. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 19:38:44 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 20:38:44 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] converting music In-Reply-To: <4efb4b18.83d6e00a.018d.1187@mx.google.com> References: <4efb4b18.83d6e00a.018d.1187@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <-5477335488968876071@unknownmsgid> She has files in Windows media format and she wants them in mp3. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 28, 2011, at 6:02 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > So, then, what are you trying to do? > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amy Sabo" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Date sent: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 20:55:46 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] converting music > > Hello there, > > First of all thanks for your help but, like I have said to you > all in previous messages the files were already ripped or > downloaded from another source. I know how to rip cd's into mp3 > format and, I use a program called express rip to do this instead > of using windows media player for ripping my cd's. > > I tried this format and imoo it sucks! > > Thanks for the advice and, I will talk to you all soon. > > > > Hugs, > amy > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Humberto Avila > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 2:19 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] converting music > > Hello Amy, have you tried using windows media player? Windows > media player > comes built in to windows so you don't' have to worry about > installing > anything else. > > Just go to the start menu and search for "windows media player" > under > either all programs or into a search field for the start menu, > depending on > which version of windows you have. If you have windows 7, you > will get the > newest version of the player. Anyways once you launch the > program, all you > have to do is go into the tools menu and go into the options menu > item and > press enter. The windows media player settings will appear. Press > control+tab to get to rip music (which is converting audio CD > tracks to a > specify digital file format.) press alt+A to jump straight into > the > "format:" combo box and press m to select to rip as mp3 format. > Tab to the > OK button and press the space bar. You can now rip music (convert > music) > directly into mp3 files without problems. To start ripping, in > the player's > user interface, you tab until you get to the rip button, the rip > window will > appear and if you want to start ripping immediately, press alt+s > to jump > quickly to and click the Start Rip Button. > Please note however that you windows media player might or might > not be > different, depending on the version of windows you have or the > version of > the player itself. Just play around with it and let me know. > > Cheers, Humberto > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Amy Sabo > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 8:45 AM > To: PERFORMING ARTS DIVISION > Cc: NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS > Subject: [nabs-l] converting music > > Hello all, > > I hope that everyone had a good Christmas and, is looking forward > to the new year! Well, I got some brand new music for Christmas > thanks to my friends and my sister and, I wanted to play some > music and, well, it's not in mp3 format. I tried converting it in > express rip but, it only works for ripping albums into that > format. I then tried to convert the wma files into mp3 format in > goldwave and, well again it wouldn't work. > > So, I was wondering if any of you could help me out in how I can > convert these files of music into mp3 format from wma? What > software can I use besides the ones I just described below and, > are they accessible with jaws? > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again and, I will > talk to you all soon! > > > > > Hugs, > amy > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.hu > mberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co > mcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 19:43:52 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:43:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods Message-ID: <4efb7192.491be00a.4c32.2f56@mx.google.com> So=20it's=20like=20the=20iPod=20Touch=20or=20iPhone.=20=20My=20Nano=20is=20= a=205th=20 generation. Chris Merry=20Christmas=20and=20a=20happy=20and=20prosperous=20new=20year! "The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi= ght.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance." --=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President,=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20= Blind,=20 1968-1986 =20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20blind=20and=20visually=20impa= ired=20youth=20 in=20Maryland=20say=20"I=20can,"=20by=20empowering=20them=20through=20provi= ding=20 assistive=20technology=20and=20scholarships=20to=20camps=20and=20convention= s=20 which=20help=20them=20be=20equal=20with=20their=20sighted=20peers.=20=20For= =20more=20 information=20about=20the=20Foundation=20and=20to=20support=20our=20work,=20= visit=20 us=20online=20at=20www.icanfoundation.info! =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Ignasi=20Cambra=20=20wrote: =20Hi=20Ashley, =20Here=20are=20some=20answers=20to=20your=20questions: =20*=20Memory=20Space:=20That=20Shuffle=20must=20be=20pretty=20old!=20The=20= newer=20 iPod's=20come=20in=20a=20lot=20bigger=20sizes;=20I=20have=20a=208=20GB=20Na= no.=20=20There=20are=20 16=20gig=20models=20too. =20*=20VoiceOver:=20All=20iPods=20after=20the=20Classic=20have=20VoiceOver= =20built=20 in,=20to=20the=20best=20of=20my=20knowledge.=20=20It=20might=20have=20start= ed=20with=20the=20 1st=20generation=20Nano,=20though;=20I=20can't=20remember. =20*=20Nano=20and=20touch=20stcreens:=20I=20have=20a=20Nano,=20and=20it=20i= s=20a=20 combination=20of=20a=20touch=20screen=20and=20buttons.=20=20However,=20you= =20can't=20 really=20tell=20that=20they=20are=20buttons=20at=20first=20because=20they'r= e=20not=20 very=20raised,=20so=20it=20looks=20like=20a=20touch=20screen.=20=20To=20fix= =20this=20 problem,=20I=20put=20Wiki=20sticks=20on=20each=20button=20to=20raise=20them= ,=20and=20had=20 a=20sighted=20person=20help=20me=20learn=20which=20button=20did=20what.=20= =20I=20then=20 used=20the=20clock-face=20technique=20to=20learn=20it.=20=20On=20the=20Nano= ,=20the=20 button=20at:=2012=20o'clock=20is=20the=20"go=20forward"=20button=20(to=20go= =20forward=20a=20 track=20in=20an=20album=20or=20go=20to=20the=20next=20song=20in=20a=20playl= ist,=20genius=20 mix,=20or=20when=20the=20iPod=20is=20in=20shuffle=20mode,)=203=20o'clock=20= is=20the=20 play/pause=20button,=206=20o'clock=20is=20the=20go=20back=20button,=20and=20= 9=20o'clock=20 is=20the=20menu=20button=20(to=20go=20to=20the=20previous=20menu.)=20The=20= button=20in=20 the=20middle=20of=20the=20circle=20where=20all=20the=20buttons=20are=20is=20= the=20"OK"=20or=20 "select"=20button.=20=20If=20you=20are=20hearing=20a=20song=20and=20you=20w= ant=20to=20know=20 the=20title=20and=20artist=20of=20the=20song=20that=20is=20playing,=20just= =20hit=20the=20 center=20button=20and=20VoiceOver=20will=20tell=20you.=20=20You=20may=20hav= e=20to=20do=20 this=20twice.=20=20And=20if=20you=20shake=20the=20device,=20it=20will=20shu= ffle=20the=20 songs;=20this=20is=20the=20"shake=20to=20shuffle"=20feature.=20=20The=20onl= y=20time=20you=20 will=20need=20to=20use=20a=20touchscreen-like=20gesture=20is=20when=20you=20= are=20in=20a=20 menu.=20=20Just=20a=20little=20flick=20(1=20finger)=20forward=20will=20move= =20you=20to=20 the=20next=20item=20in=20the=20menu;=20a=20flick=20back=20will=20move=20you= =20to=20the=20 previous=20item=20in=20the=20menu.=20=20When=20you=20get=20to=20the=20item= =20you=20want,=20 hit=20the=20center=20button. =20If=20you=20have=20any=20more=20questions=20about=20the=20iPod=20Nano,=20= please=20let=20 me=20know!=20Hope=20this=20helps! =20Chris =20Merry=20Christmas=20and=20a=20happy=20and=20prosperous=20new=20year! =20"The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20ey= esight.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance." =20--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President,=20National=20Federation=20of=20the= =20 Blind,=201968-1986 =20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20blind=20and=20visually=20impa= ired=20youth=20 in=20Maryland=20say=20"I=20can,"=20by=20empowering=20them=20through=20provi= ding=20 assistive=20technology=20and=20scholarships=20to=20camps=20and=20convention= s=20 which=20help=20them=20be=20equal=20with=20their=20sighted=20peers.=20=20For= =20more=20 information=20about=20the=20Foundation=20and=20to=20support=20our=20work,=20= visit=20 us=20online=20at=20www.icanfoundation.info! =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20 SGkgQXNobGV5LAoKVGhlIE5hbm8ga2V5cGFkIGlzIGp1c3QgbGlrZSB0aGUgU2h1ZmZsZSB0aGVu 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So, what Zach said still applies; she can use online-convert.com. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Ignasi Cambra wrote: So, then, what are you trying to do? Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Sabo" References: <4efb7192.491be00a.4c32.2f56@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3468388953386384789@unknownmsgid> Yes, the interface has been made to look and feel just like iOS, but the screen is just 1.5 inches. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 28, 2011, at 8:47 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > So it's like the iPod Touch or iPhone. My Nano is a 5th generation. > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ignasi Cambra To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 20:32:52 +0100 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > I don't think you have the current nano model, which does have a real > touch screen. Yours is one of the older ones with a click wheel. > The current model is a great device, which you mostly operate by > flicking and double tapping when using VoiceIver. Go to a store and > try it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 28, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > > Hi Ashley, > > Here are some answers to your questions: > > * Memory Space: That Shuffle must be pretty old! The newer iPod's come in a lot bigger sizes; I have a 8 GB Nano. There are 16 gig models too. > > * VoiceOver: All iPods after the Classic have VoiceOver built in, to the best of my knowledge. It might have started with the 1st generation Nano, though; I can't remember. > > * Nano and touch stcreens: I have a Nano, and it is a combination of a touch screen and buttons. However, you can't really tell that they are buttons at first because they're not very raised, so it looks like a touch screen. To fix this problem, I put Wiki sticks on each button to raise them, and had a sighted person help me learn which button did what. I then used the clock-face technique to learn it. On the Nano, the button at: 12 o'clock is the "go forward" button (to go forward a track in an album or go to the next song in a playlist, genius mix, or when the iPod is in shuffle mode,) 3 o'clock is the play/pause button, 6 o'clock is the go back button, and 9 o'clock is the menu button (to go to the previous menu.) The button in the middle of the circle where all the buttons are is the "OK" or "select" button. If you are hearing a song and you want to know the title and artist of the song that is playing, just hit the center button and VoiceOver will tell you. You may have to do this twice. And if you shake the device, it will shuffle the songs; this is the "shake to shuffle" feature. The only time you will need to use a touchscreen-like gesture is when you are in a menu. Just a little flick (1 finger) forward will move you to the next item in the menu; a flick back will move you to the previous item in the menu. When you get to the item you want, hit the center button. > > If you have any more questions about the iPod Nano, please let me know! Hope this helps! > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:57:32 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Hi all, > > What are your experiences with Ipods? Are all now built in with that talking speech voice over? I have a small ipod shuffle that was a present to me a few years ago. > What memory sizes do Ipod shuffles come in now? Mine is only 1 gig, which I > €™m discovering is not big enough! > I > €™m not interested in a touch screen device because I think it would be too easy to press the wrong thing. Are any ipods screen based but not a touch screen? I thought the ipod nano was a touch screen, but not sure. > > Anyone used an ipod for books or movies? What is the navigation ability with them? By chapter? > I might get an ipod again with a bigger memory capacity and wondered my options. I like the shuffle because its small and simple to use; few buttons. So I might stick with that. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra% > 40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From tinadt at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 28 20:42:57 2011 From: tinadt at sbcglobal.net (Tina Thomas) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:42:57 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Disability rights lawyer in CA Message-ID: <006101ccc5a1$5522eae0$ff68c0a0$@net> Hello- Does anyone know of any lawyers specializing in Disability rights in CA? Thanks. Tina From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 21:09:04 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:09:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods Message-ID: <4efb8589.c9bee00a.7177.324b@mx.google.com> In=20which=20generation=20of=20the=20Nano=20did=20they=20start=20that?=20I= =20thought=20 the=205th=20generation=20was=20the=20last=20new=20Nano=20version. Chris Merry=20Christmas=20and=20a=20happy=20and=20prosperous=20new=20year! "The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20eyesi= ght.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance." --=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President,=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20= Blind,=20 1968-1986 =20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20blind=20and=20visually=20impa= ired=20youth=20 in=20Maryland=20say=20"I=20can,"=20by=20empowering=20them=20through=20provi= ding=20 assistive=20technology=20and=20scholarships=20to=20camps=20and=20convention= s=20 which=20help=20them=20be=20equal=20with=20their=20sighted=20peers.=20=20For= =20more=20 information=20about=20the=20Foundation=20and=20to=20support=20our=20work,=20= visit=20 us=20online=20at=20www.icanfoundation.info! =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Ignasi=20Cambra=20=20wrote: =20So=20it's=20like=20the=20iPod=20Touch=20or=20iPhone.=20=20My=20Nano=20is= =20a=205th=20 generation. =20Chris =20Merry=20Christmas=20and=20a=20happy=20and=20prosperous=20new=20year! =20"The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20ey= esight.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance." =20--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President,=20National=20Federation=20of=20the= =20 Blind,=201968-1986 =20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20blind=20and=20visually=20impa= ired=20youth=20 in=20Maryland=20say=20"I=20can,"=20by=20empowering=20them=20through=20provi= ding=20 assistive=20technology=20and=20scholarships=20to=20camps=20and=20convention= s=20 which=20help=20them=20be=20equal=20with=20their=20sighted=20peers.=20=20For= =20more=20 information=20about=20the=20Foundation=20and=20to=20support=20our=20work,=20= visit=20 us=20online=20at=20www.icanfoundation.info! =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20Ignasi=20Cambra=20=20wrote: =20Hi=20Ashley, =20Here=20are=20some=20answers=20to=20your=20questions: =20*=20Memory=20Space:=20That=20Shuffle=20must=20be=20pretty=20old!=20The=20= newer=20 iPod's=20come=20in=20a=20lot=20bigger=20sizes;=20I=20have=20a=208=20GB=20Na= no.=20=20There=20are=20 16=20gig=20models=20too. =20*=20VoiceOver:=20All=20iPods=20after=20the=20Classic=20have=20VoiceOver= =20built=20 in,=20to=20the=20best=20of=20my=20knowledge.=20=20It=20might=20have=20start= ed=20with=20the=20 1st=20generation=20Nano,=20though;=20I=20can't=20remember. =20*=20Nano=20and=20touch=20stcreens:=20I=20have=20a=20Nano,=20and=20it=20i= s=20a=20 combination=20of=20a=20touch=20screen=20and=20buttons.=20=20However,=20you= =20can't=20 really=20tell=20that=20they=20are=20buttons=20at=20first=20because=20they'r= e=20not=20 very=20raised,=20so=20it=20looks=20like=20a=20touch=20screen.=20=20To=20fix= =20this=20 problem,=20I=20put=20Wiki=20sticks=20on=20each=20button=20to=20raise=20them= ,=20and=20had=20 a=20sighted=20person=20help=20me=20learn=20which=20button=20did=20what.=20= =20I=20then=20 used=20the=20clock-face=20technique=20to=20learn=20it.=20=20On=20the=20Nano= ,=20the=20 button=20at:=2012=20o'clock=20is=20the=20"go=20forward"=20button=20(to=20go= =20forward=20a=20 track=20in=20an=20album=20or=20go=20to=20the=20next=20song=20in=20a=20playl= ist,=20genius=20 mix,=20or=20when=20the=20iPod=20is=20in=20shuffle=20mode,)=203=20o'clock=20= is=20the=20 play/pause=20button,=206=20o'clock=20is=20the=20go=20back=20button,=20and=20= 9=20o'clock=20 is=20the=20menu=20button=20(to=20go=20to=20the=20previous=20menu.)=20The=20= button=20in=20 the=20middle=20of=20the=20circle=20where=20all=20the=20buttons=20are=20is=20= the=20"OK"=20or=20 "select"=20button.=20=20If=20you=20are=20hearing=20a=20song=20and=20you=20w= ant=20to=20know=20 the=20title=20and=20artist=20of=20the=20song=20that=20is=20playing,=20just= =20hit=20the=20 center=20button=20and=20VoiceOver=20will=20tell=20you.=20=20You=20may=20hav= e=20to=20do=20 this=20twice.=20=20And=20if=20you=20shake=20the=20device,=20it=20will=20shu= ffle=20the=20 songs;=20this=20is=20the=20"shake=20to=20shuffle"=20feature.=20=20The=20onl= y=20time=20you=20 will=20need=20to=20use=20a=20touchscreen-like=20gesture=20is=20when=20you=20= are=20in=20a=20 menu.=20=20Just=20a=20little=20flick=20(1=20finger)=20forward=20will=20move= =20you=20to=20 the=20next=20item=20in=20the=20menu;=20a=20flick=20back=20will=20move=20you= =20to=20the=20 previous=20item=20in=20the=20menu.=20=20When=20you=20get=20to=20the=20item= =20you=20want,=20 hit=20the=20center=20button. =20If=20you=20have=20any=20more=20questions=20about=20the=20iPod=20Nano,=20= please=20let=20 me=20know!=20Hope=20this=20helps! =20Chris =20Merry=20Christmas=20and=20a=20happy=20and=20prosperous=20new=20year! =20"The=20real=20problem=20of=20blindness=20is=20not=20the=20loss=20of=20ey= esight.=20=20The=20 real=20problem=20is=20the=20misunderstanding=20and=20lack=20of=20education= =20that=20 exists.=20=20If=20a=20blind=20person=20has=20the=20proper=20training=20and= =20 opportunity,=20blindness=20can=20be=20reduced=20to=20a=20mere=20physical=20= nuisance." =20--=20Kenneth=20Jernigan=20(President,=20National=20Federation=20of=20the= =20 Blind,=201968-1986 =20The=20I=20C.A.N.=20=20Foundation=20helps=20blind=20and=20visually=20impa= ired=20youth=20 in=20Maryland=20say=20"I=20can,"=20by=20empowering=20them=20through=20provi= ding=20 assistive=20technology=20and=20scholarships=20to=20camps=20and=20convention= s=20 which=20help=20them=20be=20equal=20with=20their=20sighted=20peers.=20=20For= =20more=20 information=20about=20the=20Foundation=20and=20to=20support=20our=20work,=20= visit=20 us=20online=20at=20www.icanfoundation.info! =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20 References: <4efb718e.491be00a.4c32.2f50@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <26488EFE7EF74C908BF582DE6B4B7253@OwnerPC> Chris, The way you describe your ipod nano sounds simple. I don't want a touch screen. So if the newer ipod nanos do that, I'll stick with the shuffle. You say yours is a fifth generation. I'll see if that is still sold. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:43 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods Hi Ashley, The Nano keypad is just like the Shuffle then, at least on mine. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" References: <006101ccc5a1$5522eae0$ff68c0a0$@net> Message-ID: Hi Tina, take a look at the DRA (dissability Rights Advocates) site. http://www.dralegal.org/ Thanks, Alex Castillo On 12/28/11, Tina Thomas wrote: > > Hello- Does anyone know of any lawyers specializing in Disability rights in > CA? > Thanks. > Tina > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alexandera.castillo%40gmail.com > From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 22:55:44 2011 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:55:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods In-Reply-To: <26488EFE7EF74C908BF582DE6B4B7253@OwnerPC> References: <4efb718e.491be00a.4c32.2f50@mx.google.com> <26488EFE7EF74C908BF582DE6B4B7253@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Ashley, I also have a Nano, but mine is a little different. It's a square, about the size of a matchbook, maybe a little bit smaller. There are three raised buttons on one end. The rest of the controls are accessed via a touch screen. I was a little unsure at first, but the type of Nano that I have only has four icons per screen, and they're conveniently located in the four corners. Touch screens like this one do not have a big learning curve at all. E-mail me offlist if you have any other questions. Patrick On 12/28/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Chris, > The way you describe your ipod nano sounds simple. I don't want a touch > screen. So if the newer ipod nanos do that, I'll stick with the shuffle. You > say yours is a fifth generation. I'll see if that is still sold. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:43 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Hi Ashley, > > The Nano keypad is just like the Shuffle then, at least on mine. > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:29:58 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Chris, > You must really love music; I'm not sure I need a 8 gb size; > maybe four or > six gb would do for me. > Are the buttons on the nano on a keypad? Is it like a phone > keypad? On the > shuffle, the buttons are around the circular okay button. > Now that I know you do not have to interact with the screen much > and do > gestures, maybe I could learn the nano. > I like the idea of marking it with dots or tape. I've also used > the clock > face reference to learn button functions. Yes the ipod shuffle > is old. > So next one will be a shuffle or a nano. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Hi Ashley, > > Here are some answers to your questions: > > * Memory Space: That Shuffle must be pretty old! The newer iPod's > come in a lot bigger sizes; I have a 8 GB Nano. There are 16 gig > models too. > > * VoiceOver: All iPods after the Classic have VoiceOver built in, > to the best of my knowledge. It might have started with the 1st > generation Nano, though; I can't remember. > > * Nano and touch stcreens: I have a Nano, and it is a combination > of a touch screen and buttons. However, you can't really tell > that they are buttons at first because they're not very raised, > so it looks like a touch screen. To fix this problem, I put Wiki > sticks on each button to raise them, and had a sighted person > help me learn which button did what. I then used the clock-face > technique to learn it. On the Nano, the button at: 12 o'clock is > the "go forward" button (to go forward a track in an album or go > to the next song in a playlist, genius mix, or when the iPod is > in shuffle mode,) 3 o'clock is the play/pause button, 6 o'clock > is the go back button, and 9 o'clock is the menu button (to go to > the previous menu.) The button in the middle of the circle where > all the buttons are is the "OK" or "select" button. If you are > hearing a song and you want to know the title and artist of the > song that is playing, just hit the center button and VoiceOver > will tell you. You may have to do this twice. And if you shake > the device, it will shuffle the songs; this is the "shake to > shuffle" feature. The only time you will need to use a > touchscreen-like gesture is when you are in a menu. Just a > little flick (1 finger) forward will move you to the next item in > the menu; a flick back will move you to the previous item in the > menu. When you get to the item you want, hit the center button. > > If you have any more questions about the iPod Nano, please let me > know! Hope this helps! > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:57:32 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Hi all, > > What are your experiences with Ipods? Are all now built in with > that talking speech voice over? I have a small ipod shuffle that > was a present to me a few years ago. > What memory sizes do Ipod shuffles come in now? Mine is only 1 > gig, which I?셫 discovering is not big enough! > I?셫 not interested in a touch screen device because I think it > would be too easy to press the wrong thing. Are any ipods screen > based but not a touch screen? I thought the ipod nano was a touch > screen, but not sure. > > Anyone used an ipod for books or movies? What is the navigation > ability with them? By chapter? > I might get an ipod again with a bigger memory capacity and > wondered my options. I like the shuffle because its small and > simple to use; few buttons. So I might stick with that. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > 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ZTogYXR0YWNobWVudApUeXBlOiBhcHBsaWNhdGlvbi9vY3RldC1zdHJlYW0KU2l6ZTogMzA0IGJ5 dGVzCkRlc2M6IG5vdCBhdmFpbGFibGUKVVJMOiA8aHR0cDovL25mYm5ldC5vcmcvcGlwZXJtYWls L25hYnMtbF9uZmJuZXQub3JnL2F0dGFjaG1lbnRzLzIwMTExMjI4LzhjOTI2YzU4L2F0dGFjaG1l bnQuYT4K From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 23:46:14 2011 From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:46:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods In-Reply-To: <4efb9f53.d2dee00a.441a.0e3c@mx.google.com> References: <4efb9f53.d2dee00a.441a.0e3c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: HI Ashley, I bought an Ipod Shuffle a few months ago and love it. It comes with 2 GB of memory, which I found sufficient for the most part (I keep my entire music collection on my computer and only sync the songs from my favorite artists/bands to my Ipod). Like you, I wanted a simple music player that does not involve a steep learning curve, so the Shuffle met my needs perfectly. That said, based on what others have said the Nano sounds like a pretty user-friendly device too, so that might be a good option for you if you want a larger storage capacity and the ability to get to particular songs more efficiently. Katie On 12/28/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Good idea. > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:41:54 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Chris, > The way you describe your ipod nano sounds simple. I don't want > a touch > screen. So if the newer ipod nanos do that, I'll stick with the > shuffle. You > say yours is a fifth generation. I'll see if that is still sold. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:43 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Hi Ashley, > > The Nano keypad is just like the Shuffle then, at least on mine. > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:29:58 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Chris, > You must really love music; I'm not sure I need a 8 gb size; > maybe four or > six gb would do for me. > Are the buttons on the nano on a keypad? Is it like a phone > keypad? On the > shuffle, the buttons are around the circular okay button. > Now that I know you do not have to interact with the screen much > and do > gestures, maybe I could learn the nano. > I like the idea of marking it with dots or tape. I've also used > the clock > face reference to learn button functions. Yes the ipod shuffle > is old. > So next one will be a shuffle or a nano. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Hi Ashley, > > Here are some answers to your questions: > > * Memory Space: That Shuffle must be pretty old! The newer iPod's > come in a lot bigger sizes; I have a 8 GB Nano. There are 16 gig > models too. > > * VoiceOver: All iPods after the Classic have VoiceOver built in, > to the best of my knowledge. It might have started with the 1st > generation Nano, though; I can't remember. > > * Nano and touch stcreens: I have a Nano, and it is a combination > of a touch screen and buttons. However, you can't really tell > that they are buttons at first because they're not very raised, > so it looks like a touch screen. To fix this problem, I put Wiki > sticks on each button to raise them, and had a sighted person > help me learn which button did what. I then used the clock-face > technique to learn it. On the Nano, the button at: 12 o'clock is > the "go forward" button (to go forward a track in an album or go > to the next song in a playlist, genius mix, or when the iPod is > in shuffle mode,) 3 o'clock is the play/pause button, 6 o'clock > is the go back button, and 9 o'clock is the menu button (to go to > the previous menu.) The button in the middle of the circle where > all the buttons are is the "OK" or "select" button. If you are > hearing a song and you want to know the title and artist of the > song that is playing, just hit the center button and VoiceOver > will tell you. You may have to do this twice. And if you shake > the device, it will shuffle the songs; this is the "shake to > shuffle" feature. The only time you will need to use a > touchscreen-like gesture is when you are in a menu. Just a > little flick (1 finger) forward will move you to the next item in > the menu; a flick back will move you to the previous item in the > menu. When you get to the item you want, hit the center button. > > If you have any more questions about the iPod Nano, please let me > know! Hope this helps! > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:57:32 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Hi all, > > What are your experiences with Ipods? Are all now built in with > that talking speech voice over? I have a small ipod shuffle that > was a present to me a few years ago. > What memory sizes do Ipod shuffles come in now? Mine is only 1 > gig, which I?셫 discovering is not big enough! > I?셫 not interested in a touch screen device because I think it > would be too easy to press the wrong thing. Are any ipods screen > based but not a touch screen? I thought the ipod nano was a touch > screen, but not sure. > > Anyone used an ipod for books or movies? What is the navigation > ability with them? By chapter? > I might get an ipod again with a bigger memory capacity and > wondered my options. I like the shuffle because its small and > simple to use; few buttons. So I might stick with that. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > > From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 02:52:03 2011 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail CMT) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:52:03 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods In-Reply-To: References: <4efb9f53.d2dee00a.441a.0e3c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6E5523795F424EDDAC4733EF506B2FE6@userPC> Is the Nano hard to learn to use? Or is it like the shuffle? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Katie Wang Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 3:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods HI Ashley, I bought an Ipod Shuffle a few months ago and love it. It comes with 2 GB of memory, which I found sufficient for the most part (I keep my entire music collection on my computer and only sync the songs from my favorite artists/bands to my Ipod). Like you, I wanted a simple music player that does not involve a steep learning curve, so the Shuffle met my needs perfectly. That said, based on what others have said the Nano sounds like a pretty user-friendly device too, so that might be a good option for you if you want a larger storage capacity and the ability to get to particular songs more efficiently. Katie On 12/28/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Good idea. > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:41:54 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Chris, > The way you describe your ipod nano sounds simple. I don't want > a touch > screen. So if the newer ipod nanos do that, I'll stick with the > shuffle. You > say yours is a fifth generation. I'll see if that is still sold. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:43 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Hi Ashley, > > The Nano keypad is just like the Shuffle then, at least on mine. > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:29:58 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Chris, > You must really love music; I'm not sure I need a 8 gb size; > maybe four or > six gb would do for me. > Are the buttons on the nano on a keypad? Is it like a phone > keypad? On the > shuffle, the buttons are around the circular okay button. > Now that I know you do not have to interact with the screen much > and do > gestures, maybe I could learn the nano. > I like the idea of marking it with dots or tape. I've also used > the clock > face reference to learn button functions. Yes the ipod shuffle > is old. > So next one will be a shuffle or a nano. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Hi Ashley, > > Here are some answers to your questions: > > * Memory Space: That Shuffle must be pretty old! The newer iPod's > come in a lot bigger sizes; I have a 8 GB Nano. There are 16 gig > models too. > > * VoiceOver: All iPods after the Classic have VoiceOver built in, > to the best of my knowledge. It might have started with the 1st > generation Nano, though; I can't remember. > > * Nano and touch stcreens: I have a Nano, and it is a combination > of a touch screen and buttons. However, you can't really tell > that they are buttons at first because they're not very raised, > so it looks like a touch screen. To fix this problem, I put Wiki > sticks on each button to raise them, and had a sighted person > help me learn which button did what. I then used the clock-face > technique to learn it. On the Nano, the button at: 12 o'clock is > the "go forward" button (to go forward a track in an album or go > to the next song in a playlist, genius mix, or when the iPod is > in shuffle mode,) 3 o'clock is the play/pause button, 6 o'clock > is the go back button, and 9 o'clock is the menu button (to go to > the previous menu.) The button in the middle of the circle where > all the buttons are is the "OK" or "select" button. If you are > hearing a song and you want to know the title and artist of the > song that is playing, just hit the center button and VoiceOver > will tell you. You may have to do this twice. And if you shake > the device, it will shuffle the songs; this is the "shake to > shuffle" feature. The only time you will need to use a > touchscreen-like gesture is when you are in a menu. Just a > little flick (1 finger) forward will move you to the next item in > the menu; a flick back will move you to the previous item in the > menu. When you get to the item you want, hit the center button. > > If you have any more questions about the iPod Nano, please let me > know! Hope this helps! > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:57:32 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Hi all, > > What are your experiences with Ipods? Are all now built in with > that talking speech voice over? I have a small ipod shuffle that > was a present to me a few years ago. > What memory sizes do Ipod shuffles come in now? Mine is only 1 > gig, which I?=99m discovering is not big enough! > I?=99m not interested in a touch screen device because I think it > would be too easy to press the wrong thing. Are any ipods screen > based but not a touch screen? I thought the ipod nano was a touch > screen, but not sure. > > Anyone used an ipod for books or movies? What is the navigation > ability with them? By chapter? > I might get an ipod again with a bigger memory capacity and > wondered my options. I like the shuffle because its small and > simple to use; few buttons. So I might stick with that. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for = nabs- l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs- l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Dec 28 23:58:50 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:58:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods In-Reply-To: References: <4efb718e.491be00a.4c32.2f50@mx.google.com><26488EFE7EF74C908BF582DE6B4B7253@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <40B092AED6E345D5B0779A01DB4A85A4@OwnerPC> Patrick, Only four icons sounds good. Which ipod is it? What storage capacity? I think you can get the nano in 8 gb and 16 gb; not sure. -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Molloy Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods Ashley, I also have a Nano, but mine is a little different. It's a square, about the size of a matchbook, maybe a little bit smaller. There are three raised buttons on one end. The rest of the controls are accessed via a touch screen. I was a little unsure at first, but the type of Nano that I have only has four icons per screen, and they're conveniently located in the four corners. Touch screens like this one do not have a big learning curve at all. E-mail me offlist if you have any other questions. Patrick On 12/28/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Chris, > The way you describe your ipod nano sounds simple. I don't want a touch > screen. So if the newer ipod nanos do that, I'll stick with the shuffle. > You > say yours is a fifth generation. I'll see if that is still sold. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:43 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Hi Ashley, > > The Nano keypad is just like the Shuffle then, at least on mine. > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:29:58 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Chris, > You must really love music; I'm not sure I need a 8 gb size; > maybe four or > six gb would do for me. > Are the buttons on the nano on a keypad? Is it like a phone > keypad? On the > shuffle, the buttons are around the circular okay button. > Now that I know you do not have to interact with the screen much > and do > gestures, maybe I could learn the nano. > I like the idea of marking it with dots or tape. I've also used > the clock > face reference to learn button functions. Yes the ipod shuffle > is old. > So next one will be a shuffle or a nano. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Hi Ashley, > > Here are some answers to your questions: > > * Memory Space: That Shuffle must be pretty old! The newer iPod's > come in a lot bigger sizes; I have a 8 GB Nano. There are 16 gig > models too. > > * VoiceOver: All iPods after the Classic have VoiceOver built in, > to the best of my knowledge. It might have started with the 1st > generation Nano, though; I can't remember. > > * Nano and touch stcreens: I have a Nano, and it is a combination > of a touch screen and buttons. However, you can't really tell > that they are buttons at first because they're not very raised, > so it looks like a touch screen. To fix this problem, I put Wiki > sticks on each button to raise them, and had a sighted person > help me learn which button did what. I then used the clock-face > technique to learn it. On the Nano, the button at: 12 o'clock is > the "go forward" button (to go forward a track in an album or go > to the next song in a playlist, genius mix, or when the iPod is > in shuffle mode,) 3 o'clock is the play/pause button, 6 o'clock > is the go back button, and 9 o'clock is the menu button (to go to > the previous menu.) The button in the middle of the circle where > all the buttons are is the "OK" or "select" button. If you are > hearing a song and you want to know the title and artist of the > song that is playing, just hit the center button and VoiceOver > will tell you. You may have to do this twice. And if you shake > the device, it will shuffle the songs; this is the "shake to > shuffle" feature. The only time you will need to use a > touchscreen-like gesture is when you are in a menu. Just a > little flick (1 finger) forward will move you to the next item in > the menu; a flick back will move you to the previous item in the > menu. When you get to the item you want, hit the center button. > > If you have any more questions about the iPod Nano, please let me > know! Hope this helps! > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:57:32 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Hi all, > > What are your experiences with Ipods? Are all now built in with > that talking speech voice over? I have a small ipod shuffle that > was a present to me a few years ago. > What memory sizes do Ipod shuffles come in now? Mine is only 1 > gig, which I?셫 discovering is not big enough! > I?셫 not interested in a touch screen device because I think it > would be too easy to press the wrong thing. Are any ipods screen > based but not a touch screen? I thought the ipod nano was a touch > screen, but not sure. > > Anyone used an ipod for books or movies? What is the navigation > ability with them? By chapter? > I might get an ipod again with a bigger memory capacity and > wondered my options. I like the shuffle because its small and > simple to use; few buttons. So I might stick with that. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Dec 29 00:00:13 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:00:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods In-Reply-To: <4efb9f53.d2dee00a.441a.0e3c@mx.google.com> References: <4efb9f53.d2dee00a.441a.0e3c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <27D608461E39463E8DA8E2C6FB1B2508@OwnerPC> Hi all, I checked online. The Ipod nano must be a touch screen. Chris, yours with the touch wheel and buttons must be older. The description said Getting where you want to go is simple on iPod nano. The large icons make scrolling and tapping to get to your favorite music, workout, radio station, or clock face easy. View icons one at a time, or display four icons on each screen. And you can change the order of the icons to find your stuff fast. Ashley-----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods Good idea. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" References: <4efb9f53.d2dee00a.441a.0e3c@mx.google.com> <6E5523795F424EDDAC4733EF506B2FE6@userPC> Message-ID: Rania, Its not like the shuffle; it has more storage capacity and a touch screen. -----Original Message----- From: Rania Ismail CMT Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:52 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods Is the Nano hard to learn to use? Or is it like the shuffle? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Katie Wang Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 3:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods HI Ashley, I bought an Ipod Shuffle a few months ago and love it. It comes with 2 GB of memory, which I found sufficient for the most part (I keep my entire music collection on my computer and only sync the songs from my favorite artists/bands to my Ipod). Like you, I wanted a simple music player that does not involve a steep learning curve, so the Shuffle met my needs perfectly. That said, based on what others have said the Nano sounds like a pretty user-friendly device too, so that might be a good option for you if you want a larger storage capacity and the ability to get to particular songs more efficiently. Katie On 12/28/11, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Good idea. > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:41:54 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Chris, > The way you describe your ipod nano sounds simple. I don't want > a touch > screen. So if the newer ipod nanos do that, I'll stick with the > shuffle. You > say yours is a fifth generation. I'll see if that is still sold. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:43 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Hi Ashley, > > The Nano keypad is just like the Shuffle then, at least on mine. > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:29:58 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Chris, > You must really love music; I'm not sure I need a 8 gb size; > maybe four or > six gb would do for me. > Are the buttons on the nano on a keypad? Is it like a phone > keypad? On the > shuffle, the buttons are around the circular okay button. > Now that I know you do not have to interact with the screen much > and do > gestures, maybe I could learn the nano. > I like the idea of marking it with dots or tape. I've also used > the clock > face reference to learn button functions. Yes the ipod shuffle > is old. > So next one will be a shuffle or a nano. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Hi Ashley, > > Here are some answers to your questions: > > * Memory Space: That Shuffle must be pretty old! The newer iPod's > come in a lot bigger sizes; I have a 8 GB Nano. There are 16 gig > models too. > > * VoiceOver: All iPods after the Classic have VoiceOver built in, > to the best of my knowledge. It might have started with the 1st > generation Nano, though; I can't remember. > > * Nano and touch stcreens: I have a Nano, and it is a combination > of a touch screen and buttons. However, you can't really tell > that they are buttons at first because they're not very raised, > so it looks like a touch screen. To fix this problem, I put Wiki > sticks on each button to raise them, and had a sighted person > help me learn which button did what. I then used the clock-face > technique to learn it. On the Nano, the button at: 12 o'clock is > the "go forward" button (to go forward a track in an album or go > to the next song in a playlist, genius mix, or when the iPod is > in shuffle mode,) 3 o'clock is the play/pause button, 6 o'clock > is the go back button, and 9 o'clock is the menu button (to go to > the previous menu.) The button in the middle of the circle where > all the buttons are is the "OK" or "select" button. If you are > hearing a song and you want to know the title and artist of the > song that is playing, just hit the center button and VoiceOver > will tell you. You may have to do this twice. And if you shake > the device, it will shuffle the songs; this is the "shake to > shuffle" feature. The only time you will need to use a > touchscreen-like gesture is when you are in a menu. Just a > little flick (1 finger) forward will move you to the next item in > the menu; a flick back will move you to the previous item in the > menu. When you get to the item you want, hit the center button. > > If you have any more questions about the iPod Nano, please let me > know! Hope this helps! > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:57:32 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Hi all, > > What are your experiences with Ipods? Are all now built in with > that talking speech voice over? I have a small ipod shuffle that > was a present to me a few years ago. > What memory sizes do Ipod shuffles come in now? Mine is only 1 > gig, which I?�m discovering is not big enough! > I?�m not interested in a touch screen device because I think it > would be too easy to press the wrong thing. Are any ipods screen > based but not a touch screen? I thought the ipod nano was a touch > screen, but not sure. > > Anyone used an ipod for books or movies? What is the navigation > ability with them? By chapter? > I might get an ipod again with a bigger memory capacity and > wondered my options. I like the shuffle because its small and > simple to use; few buttons. So I might stick with that. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs- l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs- l_nfbnet.org/raniaismail04%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Dec 29 00:31:26 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:31:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping Message-ID: <68CECBB698694D01B6B57D76F0675D18@OwnerPC> Hi all, Well, my mom or family member often buys clothes for me, but I’d like to sometime try it; I’ve bought other accessories independently. So a few more questions. Last time some of you said that you used personal shoppers or salespeople. I can shop at Jcpenny, Macy’s and maybe bloomingdales; depends on the mall. So do you get an appointment with them? What is good to know other than size and brand? For instance, if I said I need size 14 jeans petite, and get the brand, is that enough? How do you find salespeople anyway once there? Most department stores are huge I have some vision. Maybe they wear uniforms or something. and they do not have employees walking around. Now some accessory stores do that. For instance at Sears, Bath and Body Works, card stores and Victoria secret, its been my experience that employees approach people. They say, "can I help you?” or Are you all finding everything okay? Even if I'm with a person, they seem friendly and talk to me. There was a nice lady last time that explained what stuff was in the signature collection at bath and body works last time I was there. Thanks. Ashley From avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 01:06:31 2011 From: avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com (Humberto Avila) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:06:31 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping In-Reply-To: <68CECBB698694D01B6B57D76F0675D18@OwnerPC> References: <68CECBB698694D01B6B57D76F0675D18@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hello Ashley, I am having similar experiences with my parents buying my clothes for me instead of me. I would like to some day make my own independent decisions about my clothes and what I want to wear and feel comfortable. I'm tired of authorities taking control of my life, LOL. Smile--. I had the same concerns and questions as you have about stores in general, not just clothing stores. In my experiences, yes they do offer help by saying, "are you finding everything OK?" or things like that. So how can a blind individual making decisions of what to buy ask or find an employee or a personal assistant at the store? I haven't seen cases where people call in or something to make appointments to request assistance at the store; something to look into also. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 4:31 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping Hi all, Well, my mom or family member often buys clothes for me, but I'd like to sometime try it; I've bought other accessories independently. So a few more questions. Last time some of you said that you used personal shoppers or salespeople. I can shop at Jcpenny, Macy's and maybe bloomingdales; depends on the mall. So do you get an appointment with them? What is good to know other than size and brand? For instance, if I said I need size 14 jeans petite, and get the brand, is that enough? How do you find salespeople anyway once there? Most department stores are huge I have some vision. Maybe they wear uniforms or something. and they do not have employees walking around. Now some accessory stores do that. For instance at Sears, Bath and Body Works, card stores and Victoria secret, its been my experience that employees approach people. They say, "can I help you?" or Are you all finding everything okay? Even if I'm with a person, they seem friendly and talk to me. There was a nice lady last time that explained what stuff was in the signature collection at bath and body works last time I was there. Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 01:45:04 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 02:45:04 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods In-Reply-To: <188132.27388.1325108849515.JavaMail.mobile-sync@bfif16> References: <4efb718e.491be00a.4c32.2f50@mx.google.com> <188132.27388.1325108849515.JavaMail.mobile-sync@bfif16> Message-ID: <-8828352513341114051@unknownmsgid> You should really try the nano before saying this. If you haven't used it you won't know how simple it is. You can really live without having to look for stuff on the screen, just by flicking. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 28, 2011, at 10:47 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Chris, > The way you describe your ipod nano sounds simple. I don't want a touch > screen. So if the newer ipod nanos do that, I'll stick with the shuffle. You > say yours is a fifth generation. I'll see if that is still sold. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:43 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Hi Ashley, > > The Nano keypad is just like the Shuffle then, at least on mine. > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:29:58 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Chris, > You must really love music; I'm not sure I need a 8 gb size; > maybe four or > six gb would do for me. > Are the buttons on the nano on a keypad? Is it like a phone > keypad? On the > shuffle, the buttons are around the circular okay button. > Now that I know you do not have to interact with the screen much > and do > gestures, maybe I could learn the nano. > I like the idea of marking it with dots or tape. I've also used > the clock > face reference to learn button functions. Yes the ipod shuffle > is old. > So next one will be a shuffle or a nano. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Hi Ashley, > > Here are some answers to your questions: > > * Memory Space: That Shuffle must be pretty old! The newer iPod's > come in a lot bigger sizes; I have a 8 GB Nano. There are 16 gig > models too. > > * VoiceOver: All iPods after the Classic have VoiceOver built in, > to the best of my knowledge. It might have started with the 1st > generation Nano, though; I can't remember. > > * Nano and touch stcreens: I have a Nano, and it is a combination > of a touch screen and buttons. However, you can't really tell > that they are buttons at first because they're not very raised, > so it looks like a touch screen. To fix this problem, I put Wiki > sticks on each button to raise them, and had a sighted person > help me learn which button did what. I then used the clock-face > technique to learn it. On the Nano, the button at: 12 o'clock is > the "go forward" button (to go forward a track in an album or go > to the next song in a playlist, genius mix, or when the iPod is > in shuffle mode,) 3 o'clock is the play/pause button, 6 o'clock > is the go back button, and 9 o'clock is the menu button (to go to > the previous menu.) The button in the middle of the circle where > all the buttons are is the "OK" or "select" button. If you are > hearing a song and you want to know the title and artist of the > song that is playing, just hit the center button and VoiceOver > will tell you. You may have to do this twice. And if you shake > the device, it will shuffle the songs; this is the "shake to > shuffle" feature. The only time you will need to use a > touchscreen-like gesture is when you are in a menu. Just a > little flick (1 finger) forward will move you to the next item in > the menu; a flick back will move you to the previous item in the > menu. When you get to the item you want, hit the center button. > > If you have any more questions about the iPod Nano, please let me > know! Hope this helps! > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The > real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that > exists. If a blind person has the proper training and > opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical > nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth > in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing > assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions > which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more > information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit > us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:57:32 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Hi all, > > What are your experiences with Ipods? Are all now built in with > that talking speech voice over? I have a small ipod shuffle that > was a present to me a few years ago. > What memory sizes do Ipod shuffles come in now? Mine is only 1 > gig, which I?셫 discovering is not big enough! > I?셫 not interested in a touch screen device because I think it > would be too easy to press the wrong thing. Are any ipods screen > based but not a touch screen? I thought the ipod nano was a touch > screen, but not sure. > > Anyone used an ipod for books or movies? What is the navigation > ability with them? By chapter? > I might get an ipod again with a bigger memory capacity and > wondered my options. I like the shuffle because its small and > simple to use; few buttons. So I might stick with that. > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 01:47:42 2011 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 02:47:42 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods In-Reply-To: <40B092AED6E345D5B0779A01DB4A85A4@OwnerPC> References: <4efb718e.491be00a.4c32.2f50@mx.google.com> <26488EFE7EF74C908BF582DE6B4B7253@OwnerPC> <40B092AED6E345D5B0779A01DB4A85A4@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <8830585523122262536@unknownmsgid> It's the current model. It doesn't matter which capacity. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 29, 2011, at 1:00 AM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Patrick, > Only four icons sounds good. Which ipod is it? What storage capacity? I think you can get the nano in 8 gb and 16 gb; not sure. > > -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Molloy > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods > > Ashley, > I also have a Nano, but mine is a little different. It's a square, > about the size of a matchbook, maybe a little bit smaller. There are > three raised buttons on one end. The rest of the controls are accessed > via a touch screen. I was a little unsure at first, but the type of > Nano that I have only has four icons per screen, and they're > conveniently located in the four corners. Touch screens like this one > do not have a big learning curve at all. E-mail me offlist if you have > any other questions. > Patrick > > On 12/28/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Chris, >> The way you describe your ipod nano sounds simple. I don't want a touch >> screen. So if the newer ipod nanos do that, I'll stick with the shuffle. You >> say yours is a fifth generation. I'll see if that is still sold. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:43 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods >> >> Hi Ashley, >> >> The Nano keypad is just like the Shuffle then, at least on mine. >> >> Chris >> >> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, >> 1968-1986 >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth >> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing >> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions >> which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more >> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit >> us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:29:58 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods >> >> Chris, >> You must really love music; I'm not sure I need a 8 gb size; >> maybe four or >> six gb would do for me. >> Are the buttons on the nano on a keypad? Is it like a phone >> keypad? On the >> shuffle, the buttons are around the circular okay button. >> Now that I know you do not have to interact with the screen much >> and do >> gestures, maybe I could learn the nano. >> I like the idea of marking it with dots or tape. I've also used >> the clock >> face reference to learn button functions. Yes the ipod shuffle >> is old. >> So next one will be a shuffle or a nano. >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:21 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods >> >> Hi Ashley, >> >> Here are some answers to your questions: >> >> * Memory Space: That Shuffle must be pretty old! The newer iPod's >> come in a lot bigger sizes; I have a 8 GB Nano. There are 16 gig >> models too. >> >> * VoiceOver: All iPods after the Classic have VoiceOver built in, >> to the best of my knowledge. It might have started with the 1st >> generation Nano, though; I can't remember. >> >> * Nano and touch stcreens: I have a Nano, and it is a combination >> of a touch screen and buttons. However, you can't really tell >> that they are buttons at first because they're not very raised, >> so it looks like a touch screen. To fix this problem, I put Wiki >> sticks on each button to raise them, and had a sighted person >> help me learn which button did what. I then used the clock-face >> technique to learn it. On the Nano, the button at: 12 o'clock is >> the "go forward" button (to go forward a track in an album or go >> to the next song in a playlist, genius mix, or when the iPod is >> in shuffle mode,) 3 o'clock is the play/pause button, 6 o'clock >> is the go back button, and 9 o'clock is the menu button (to go to >> the previous menu.) The button in the middle of the circle where >> all the buttons are is the "OK" or "select" button. If you are >> hearing a song and you want to know the title and artist of the >> song that is playing, just hit the center button and VoiceOver >> will tell you. You may have to do this twice. And if you shake >> the device, it will shuffle the songs; this is the "shake to >> shuffle" feature. The only time you will need to use a >> touchscreen-like gesture is when you are in a menu. Just a >> little flick (1 finger) forward will move you to the next item in >> the menu; a flick back will move you to the previous item in the >> menu. When you get to the item you want, hit the center button. >> >> If you have any more questions about the iPod Nano, please let me >> know! Hope this helps! >> >> Chris >> >> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >> nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, >> 1968-1986 >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth >> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing >> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions >> which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more >> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit >> us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:57:32 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods >> >> Hi all, >> >> What are your experiences with Ipods? Are all now built in with >> that talking speech voice over? I have a small ipod shuffle that >> was a present to me a few years ago. >> What memory sizes do Ipod shuffles come in now? Mine is only 1 >> gig, which I?셫 discovering is not big enough! >> I?셫 not interested in a touch screen device because I think it >> would be too easy to press the wrong thing. Are any ipods screen >> based but not a touch screen? I thought the ipod nano was a touch >> screen, but not sure. >> >> Anyone used an ipod for books or movies? What is the navigation >> ability with them? By chapter? >> I might get an ipod again with a bigger memory capacity and >> wondered my options. I like the shuffle because its small and >> simple to use; few buttons. So I might stick with that. >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >> 0earthlink.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 02:17:27 2011 From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 21:17:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods In-Reply-To: <8830585523122262536@unknownmsgid> References: <4efb718e.491be00a.4c32.2f50@mx.google.com> <26488EFE7EF74C908BF582DE6B4B7253@OwnerPC> <40B092AED6E345D5B0779A01DB4A85A4@OwnerPC> <8830585523122262536@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: The Nano takes some getting used to, but once you have the basics of the touch screen down, it's really simple. Patrick On 12/28/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > It's the current model. It doesn't matter which capacity. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 29, 2011, at 1:00 AM, Ashley Bramlett > wrote: > >> Patrick, >> Only four icons sounds good. Which ipod is it? What storage capacity? I >> think you can get the nano in 8 gb and 16 gb; not sure. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Molloy >> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:55 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods >> >> Ashley, >> I also have a Nano, but mine is a little different. It's a square, >> about the size of a matchbook, maybe a little bit smaller. There are >> three raised buttons on one end. The rest of the controls are accessed >> via a touch screen. I was a little unsure at first, but the type of >> Nano that I have only has four icons per screen, and they're >> conveniently located in the four corners. Touch screens like this one >> do not have a big learning curve at all. E-mail me offlist if you have >> any other questions. >> Patrick >> >> On 12/28/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Chris, >>> The way you describe your ipod nano sounds simple. I don't want a touch >>> screen. So if the newer ipod nanos do that, I'll stick with the shuffle. >>> You >>> say yours is a fifth generation. I'll see if that is still sold. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:43 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods >>> >>> Hi Ashley, >>> >>> The Nano keypad is just like the Shuffle then, at least on mine. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, >>> 1968-1986 >>> >>> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth >>> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing >>> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions >>> which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more >>> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit >>> us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:29:58 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods >>> >>> Chris, >>> You must really love music; I'm not sure I need a 8 gb size; >>> maybe four or >>> six gb would do for me. >>> Are the buttons on the nano on a keypad? Is it like a phone >>> keypad? On the >>> shuffle, the buttons are around the circular okay button. >>> Now that I know you do not have to interact with the screen much >>> and do >>> gestures, maybe I could learn the nano. >>> I like the idea of marking it with dots or tape. I've also used >>> the clock >>> face reference to learn button functions. Yes the ipod shuffle >>> is old. >>> So next one will be a shuffle or a nano. >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:21 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods >>> >>> Hi Ashley, >>> >>> Here are some answers to your questions: >>> >>> * Memory Space: That Shuffle must be pretty old! The newer iPod's >>> come in a lot bigger sizes; I have a 8 GB Nano. There are 16 gig >>> models too. >>> >>> * VoiceOver: All iPods after the Classic have VoiceOver built in, >>> to the best of my knowledge. It might have started with the 1st >>> generation Nano, though; I can't remember. >>> >>> * Nano and touch stcreens: I have a Nano, and it is a combination >>> of a touch screen and buttons. However, you can't really tell >>> that they are buttons at first because they're not very raised, >>> so it looks like a touch screen. To fix this problem, I put Wiki >>> sticks on each button to raise them, and had a sighted person >>> help me learn which button did what. I then used the clock-face >>> technique to learn it. On the Nano, the button at: 12 o'clock is >>> the "go forward" button (to go forward a track in an album or go >>> to the next song in a playlist, genius mix, or when the iPod is >>> in shuffle mode,) 3 o'clock is the play/pause button, 6 o'clock >>> is the go back button, and 9 o'clock is the menu button (to go to >>> the previous menu.) The button in the middle of the circle where >>> all the buttons are is the "OK" or "select" button. If you are >>> hearing a song and you want to know the title and artist of the >>> song that is playing, just hit the center button and VoiceOver >>> will tell you. You may have to do this twice. And if you shake >>> the device, it will shuffle the songs; this is the "shake to >>> shuffle" feature. The only time you will need to use a >>> touchscreen-like gesture is when you are in a menu. Just a >>> little flick (1 finger) forward will move you to the next item in >>> the menu; a flick back will move you to the previous item in the >>> menu. When you get to the item you want, hit the center button. >>> >>> If you have any more questions about the iPod Nano, please let me >>> know! Hope this helps! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and >>> opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical >>> nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, >>> 1968-1986 >>> >>> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth >>> in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing >>> assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions >>> which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more >>> information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit >>> us online at www.icanfoundation.info! >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:57:32 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> What are your experiences with Ipods? Are all now built in with >>> that talking speech voice over? I have a small ipod shuffle that >>> was a present to me a few years ago. >>> What memory sizes do Ipod shuffles come in now? Mine is only 1 >>> gig, which I?셫 discovering is not big enough! >>> I?셫 not interested in a touch screen device because I think it >>> would be too easy to press the wrong thing. Are any ipods screen >>> based but not a touch screen? I thought the ipod nano was a touch >>> screen, but not sure. >>> >>> Anyone used an ipod for books or movies? What is the navigation >>> ability with them? By chapter? >>> I might get an ipod again with a bigger memory capacity and >>> wondered my options. I like the shuffle because its small and >>> simple to use; few buttons. So I might stick with that. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >>> 0earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gmail.com > From maryesanchez at grandecom.net Thu Dec 29 02:23:15 2011 From: maryesanchez at grandecom.net (Mary Ellen Sanchez) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 20:23:15 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods In-Reply-To: References: <4efb718e.491be00a.4c32.2f50@mx.google.com> <26488EFE7EF74C908BF582DE6B4B7253@OwnerPC> <40B092AED6E345D5B0779A01DB4A85A4@OwnerPC> <8830585523122262536@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <006501ccc5d0$d2aeeb10$780cc130$@net> Oh yes you are so right. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Molloy Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 8:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods The Nano takes some getting used to, but once you have the basics of the touch screen down, it's really simple. Patrick On 12/28/11, Ignasi Cambra wrote: > It's the current model. It doesn't matter which capacity. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 29, 2011, at 1:00 AM, Ashley Bramlett > > wrote: > >> Patrick, >> Only four icons sounds good. Which ipod is it? What storage capacity? >> I think you can get the nano in 8 gb and 16 gb; not sure. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Molloy >> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:55 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods >> >> Ashley, >> I also have a Nano, but mine is a little different. It's a square, >> about the size of a matchbook, maybe a little bit smaller. There are >> three raised buttons on one end. The rest of the controls are >> accessed via a touch screen. I was a little unsure at first, but the >> type of Nano that I have only has four icons per screen, and they're >> conveniently located in the four corners. Touch screens like this one >> do not have a big learning curve at all. E-mail me offlist if you >> have any other questions. >> Patrick >> >> On 12/28/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Chris, >>> The way you describe your ipod nano sounds simple. I don't want a >>> touch screen. So if the newer ipod nanos do that, I'll stick with the shuffle. >>> You >>> say yours is a fifth generation. I'll see if that is still sold. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:43 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods >>> >>> Hi Ashley, >>> >>> The Nano keypad is just like the Shuffle then, at least on mine. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, >>> blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, >>> 1968-1986 >>> >>> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in >>> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive >>> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them >>> be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the >>> Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at >>> www.icanfoundation.info! >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:29:58 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods >>> >>> Chris, >>> You must really love music; I'm not sure I need a 8 gb size; maybe >>> four or six gb would do for me. >>> Are the buttons on the nano on a keypad? Is it like a phone keypad? >>> On the shuffle, the buttons are around the circular okay button. >>> Now that I know you do not have to interact with the screen much and >>> do gestures, maybe I could learn the nano. >>> I like the idea of marking it with dots or tape. I've also used the >>> clock face reference to learn button functions. Yes the ipod >>> shuffle is old. >>> So next one will be a shuffle or a nano. >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Chris Nusbaum >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 2:21 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods >>> >>> Hi Ashley, >>> >>> Here are some answers to your questions: >>> >>> * Memory Space: That Shuffle must be pretty old! The newer iPod's >>> come in a lot bigger sizes; I have a 8 GB Nano. There are 16 gig >>> models too. >>> >>> * VoiceOver: All iPods after the Classic have VoiceOver built in, to >>> the best of my knowledge. It might have started with the 1st >>> generation Nano, though; I can't remember. >>> >>> * Nano and touch stcreens: I have a Nano, and it is a combination of >>> a touch screen and buttons. However, you can't really tell that >>> they are buttons at first because they're not very raised, so it >>> looks like a touch screen. To fix this problem, I put Wiki sticks >>> on each button to raise them, and had a sighted person help me learn >>> which button did what. I then used the clock-face technique to >>> learn it. On the Nano, the button at: 12 o'clock is the "go >>> forward" button (to go forward a track in an album or go to the next >>> song in a playlist, genius mix, or when the iPod is in shuffle >>> mode,) 3 o'clock is the play/pause button, 6 o'clock is the go back >>> button, and 9 o'clock is the menu button (to go to the previous >>> menu.) The button in the middle of the circle where all the buttons >>> are is the "OK" or "select" button. If you are hearing a song and >>> you want to know the title and artist of the song that is playing, >>> just hit the center button and VoiceOver will tell you. You may >>> have to do this twice. And if you shake the device, it will shuffle >>> the songs; this is the "shake to shuffle" feature. The only time >>> you will need to use a touchscreen-like gesture is when you are in a >>> menu. Just a little flick (1 finger) forward will move you to the >>> next item in the menu; a flick back will move you to the previous >>> item in the menu. When you get to the item you want, hit the center >>> button. >>> >>> If you have any more questions about the iPod Nano, please let me >>> know! Hope this helps! >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! >>> >>> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The >>> real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that >>> exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, >>> blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." >>> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, >>> 1968-1986 >>> >>> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in >>> Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive >>> technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them >>> be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the >>> Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at >>> www.icanfoundation.info! >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Date sent: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:57:32 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> What are your experiences with Ipods? Are all now built in with that >>> talking speech voice over? I have a small ipod shuffle that was a >>> present to me a few years ago. >>> What memory sizes do Ipod shuffles come in now? Mine is only 1 gig, >>> which I?셫 discovering is not big enough! >>> I?셫 not interested in a touch screen device because I think it would >>> be too easy to press the wrong thing. Are any ipods screen based >>> but not a touch screen? I thought the ipod nano was a touch screen, >>> but not sure. >>> >>> Anyone used an ipod for books or movies? What is the navigation >>> ability with them? By chapter? >>> I might get an ipod again with a bigger memory capacity and >>> wondered my options. I like the shuffle because its small and >>> simple to use; few buttons. So I might stick with that. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >>> m%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >>> 0earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40ea >>> rthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40ear >> thlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gm >> ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ptrck.molloy%40gma > il.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/maryesanchez%40grandecom.net From gpaikens at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 02:33:00 2011 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 21:33:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers In-Reply-To: <000301ccc517$6610d2c0$32327840$@comcast.net> References: <1AEBE505A8894BF0AF6BE15FF362DC79@OwnerPC><0AFBEEE9964B43448040390E61CD2301@Gloria> <264894D4532142EAA24DA89FE3701E72@Espy> <000301ccc517$6610d2c0$32327840$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <92C3668E-DE53-4650-A287-03FCC962BEA9@gmail.com> Vanderbilt University in Nashville, TN also has an excellent program. Florida State, Missouri State, and Ohio State also have programs. I think I saw a list of these programs on one of the NFB sites but can't recall where that might have been. -Greg On Dec 27, 2011, at 11:15 PM, Amy Sabo wrote: > Hello hope and all, > > I also want to also add 3 schools when I lived in Michigan that > have excellent programs in tvi and rehab teaching for the blind. > I will list them here for you all... > > Western Michigan university-west Michigan area. This is the best > one to offer these programs and it's also the best one in the usa > too. As a matter of fact my father went to college there for his > b.a. > > Michigan state university > University of Michigan > > > As for Colorado which is where I now live there's the university > of Colorado too. I hope this answers some of your questions. Take > care all and, I will talk to you all soon. > > > > Hugs, > amy > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org > [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Hope Paulos > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 1:16 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers > > UMass Boston has a program for TVI's. I'm going there for VRT but > was > originally in the TVI program. > Hope and Beignet > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joshua Lester" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 3:04 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers > > > Hi, Gloria. > My instructors took classes at the Arkansas School for the Blind, > for > their TVI training. > I'm not sure about other states, but mmy state's school for the > Blind, > had a program to train TVI's. > I'm not sure if they still do. > Blessings, Joshua > > On 12/27/11, Gloria G wrote: >> Hi, >> DOes anyone know where a person might receive trainning to > become a TVI? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 11:29 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers >> >> >>> Hi Arielle, >>> >>> Nice post. I liked how you did not put down the center, but > did mention >>> its weaknesses. I will add a few things from talking to a few > attendees >>> from >>> LWSb. >>> You are correct that LWSB offers independence training, but > probably not >>> to >>> the degree NFB centers do. >>> Each applicant goes for a 30 day evaluation in all the rehab > skills; I >>> think >>> that is a bit long, but that is it. >>> They recommend what skills to work on from there. If a > applicant is ready >>> to >>> go into the vocational programs, they do so >>> if they meet those requirements. Things like having a certain > score on >>> the >>> Wonderlik test, a certain typing speed, computer proficiency, > and strong >>> writtin communication skills are some requirements. >>> The requirements vary from program to program. >>> >>> You have to have a four year college degree for any of the > four IRS >>> training programs. I know the IRS really does hire applicants. > When I was >>> at a job fair, I ran into an IRS rep that mentioned they just > hired a >>> bunch of IRS trainees from lions World. >>> >>> Other training options are: >>> . Desktop support technician- prepares students for entry > level IT >>> technician jobs >>> . Assistive technology instructor >>> . Microsoft office Specialist - prepares one for office > jobs, to pass >>> the Microsoft certification exams, and covers office suite > applications >>> . Microsoft certified professional developer - training to > be a >>> computer programmer >>> . Microsoft computer systems engineer - entry level help > desk training >>> >>> So if you wanted to go into a technical field, LWSB might be > an option. >>> If >>> >>> its not helpful, you can always leave. If you wanted >>> to work for the IRS such as a tax collection rep, then this > might be an >>> option. They find you a job after training. >>> >>> For the living and going off campus, here is what I know. >>> Students generally go to the cafeteria and live in the dorm. > However, if >>> you already demonstrated independent living skills, they do > have off >>> campus apartments. I think they have a shuttle taking students > to and >>> from >>> >>> the apartments, if I recall correctly. >>> Students can go off campus. They just need to sign out and in. >>> They can go in groups or alone. Some centers have a clearance > rule, >>> meaning you have to be cleared by O&M staff, but lwsb does not > say this. >>> >>> I heard LWSb got a new director. So I imagine rules and > policies are >>> changing, hopefully for the better. So if you wanted to go > into those >>> vocations they train in, might be worth considering. >>> Then when you have a job interview, you would have more > training than >>> sighted people might have. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Arielle Silverman >>> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 10:51 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I have not attended LWSB in Arkansas, but havve heard some > things >>> about it from a few graduates. So, someone please correct me > if >>> anything I say about the center is incorrect, as I would like > to learn >>> more and b able to give people accurate information. >>> Based on what I have heard from graduates, my impression is > that >>> LWSB/World Services for the Blind is a center that specializes > in >>> technical training for some specific types of jobs, like being > an IRS >>> collector or a small engine repair person. This kind of > training is >>> important, but it is not the same thing as the kind of > comprehensive >>> blindness skill training provided at NFB centers. While > LWSB/World >>> Services does provide training in blindness skills as well, my >>> impression is that this general training is much less > beneficial than >>> the general skills training provided at NFB centers, and other > centers >>> that house students in apartments. While I can't comment on > LWSB's >>> philosophy, I do know that LWSB houses students in dormitories > and >>> that they dine in a cafeteria. In my opinion this kind of > living >>> environment is not very helpful for teaching blindness skills. > Skills >>> need to be practiced in order to be mastered, and apartment > living >>> affords opportunities to practice cooking, cleaning and other > skills >>> in a variety of real-world situations. Apartment living also > affords >>> opportunities to build confidence. Furthermore, I am not sure > how much >>> LWSB students are allowed or encouraged to travel off center > premises >>> on their own or in groups. This kind of real-world travel is > an >>> essential part of the training experience at NFB centers. >>> So, I believe that if you are looking for technical training > in a >>> specific job field, LWSB/World Services might be an option > worth >>> considering. However, if you are looking for basic training in > travel, >>> home management, computers and Braille, or just want to build > your >>> overall confidence and independent functioning, I would highly >>> recommend looking for a center that houses students in > apartments and >>> that allows students to get out and travel on their own during > free >>> time. If you have some vision but suspect you may eventually > need to >>> function with less or no sight, then picking a center that > uses >>> sleepshades may also be a priority. The NFB centers all meet > these >>> criteria, but there are also some state-run and private > centers that >>> do. So do your homework and ask about these things before > making your >>> choice. >>> I make these suggestions based on my own experience at an NFB > center, >>> LCB, and based on conversations I have had with dozens of > graduates >>> from various kinds of training centers. I would be happy to > talk >>> further by email or phone (see contact info below) if you have > more >>> specific questions. >>> Best, >>> Arielle Silverman, Past NABS President and Board Member >>> 602-502-2255 >>> arielle71 at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for >>> nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves > %40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlester8462%4 > 0students.pccua.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%4 > 0gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amylsabo%40co > mcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Dec 29 02:36:56 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 21:36:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping In-Reply-To: References: <68CECBB698694D01B6B57D76F0675D18@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4A33A8DBF68D40558129702CB70C10D8@OwnerPC> Humberto, Glad to know I'm not alone. Try and shop with a friend if you have one you trust. Unfortunately, I don't have that. Well, shopping for items that are not visual in nature like clothes, decorations, and furniture is easier. I have not done much shopping but here is what works. so far. I make a mental note of what I want. If it is more than a short list, like more than three or four items, I braille out a list. For grocery stores, I also have a print list for the clerk. I think that is helpful so they can skim the list and ensure you got everything and also get items you need in the same asile. What I mean is if you are in the cereal aisle and something else is there, they can get it with you. But if they do not have a list, they cannot do that. Keep track of items too you've gotten by marking them off somehow on your list; scratch the braille out or make a crayon mark or something. But its good to have other eyeballs check the list IMO. You do not want to get home and see you forgot an ingredient. For other stores, I make a list sometimes. Then I go into the store and find the cash register and ask for help. Often other customers come up to me and then I say I'm looking for a store clerk for help and they either find them or guide me to the counter. This does not work for department stores because half the time customers have their back to you as their browsing the racks or shelves and registers are not fully staffed. I wait for the clerk and then we walk together and get my items. They tell me what is available. Then if they just pick something, I ask questions and feel the item. I cannot read most of the label, but I can feel the size of the item. I check it before putting it in the basket and moving on. They might say "we have soap in dove, Leever, and Ocean light" and I might ask "how many per pack?" and if they are the same item and size I might ask "what is on sale?" or "how much is each item?" Sometimes personnel try and take over if you don't talk to them much. They just think oh I got her the soap, hand sanitizer, and lotion, so I'm done. But shopping is about making decisions about what you want based on size, brand, price and more. Soaps come in small bars, large ones, travel size, and not to mention different brands and scents just as an example. I also found that browising the store's website is helpful for an overview of products they have and if you are not sure and have a specific item or two, call them and ask. My parents do that too. So its common among consumers in general. If they are real nice, they might even tell you what store carries x item or brand if their location does not carry it. For clothes I don't know. Maybe some magazines have good descriptions. People learn about this stuff by browsing magazines, news ads, and window shopping and we cannot do that. Its easy for authorities to take over as you say and leave us out; not right as we are the ones wearing it. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Humberto Avila Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 8:06 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] clothes shopping Hello Ashley, I am having similar experiences with my parents buying my clothes for me instead of me. I would like to some day make my own independent decisions about my clothes and what I want to wear and feel comfortable. I'm tired of authorities taking control of my life, LOL. Smile--. I had the same concerns and questions as you have about stores in general, not just clothing stores. In my experiences, yes they do offer help by saying, "are you finding everything OK?" or things like that. So how can a blind individual making decisions of what to buy ask or find an employee or a personal assistant at the store? I haven't seen cases where people call in or something to make appointments to request assistance at the store; something to look into also. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 4:31 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping Hi all, Well, my mom or family member often buys clothes for me, but I'd like to sometime try it; I've bought other accessories independently. So a few more questions. Last time some of you said that you used personal shoppers or salespeople. I can shop at Jcpenny, Macy's and maybe bloomingdales; depends on the mall. So do you get an appointment with them? What is good to know other than size and brand? For instance, if I said I need size 14 jeans petite, and get the brand, is that enough? How do you find salespeople anyway once there? Most department stores are huge I have some vision. Maybe they wear uniforms or something. and they do not have employees walking around. Now some accessory stores do that. For instance at Sears, Bath and Body Works, card stores and Victoria secret, its been my experience that employees approach people. They say, "can I help you?" or Are you all finding everything okay? Even if I'm with a person, they seem friendly and talk to me. There was a nice lady last time that explained what stuff was in the signature collection at bath and body works last time I was there. Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Dec 29 02:42:58 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 21:42:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] creative writing class Message-ID: <3628595E4EEB435E8CD8515BBEAAA7CB@OwnerPC> Hi all, I might take creative writing as an elective. Its an intro class. I like writing but most my writing is concrete and probably not too creative; I thought this might help me write more descriptively and imaginatively. So what is a class like? If you took it, any challenges you had? Is it more discussion or writing in class? What topics are covered? What did you like most about it? A good thing about a writing class is usually there are not tests, but essays and projects for midterms and finals. Acording to the course description, it covers a little of everything seems like including drama, poetry, fiction and creative nonfiction. Thanks. Ashley From leanicole1988 at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 02:52:56 2011 From: leanicole1988 at gmail.com (Lea williams) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 21:52:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping In-Reply-To: <4A33A8DBF68D40558129702CB70C10D8@OwnerPC> References: <68CECBB698694D01B6B57D76F0675D18@OwnerPC> <4A33A8DBF68D40558129702CB70C10D8@OwnerPC> Message-ID: hey I do this a lot. in most cases the counter is close to the door. the check out counter. Just walk in and go up to it, and stand there as long as there are people there. lol, don't want to stand there waiting when no one is there to help. and then they will ask you if you need help and just tell them your blind and your needing help to shop. If they do not say anything to you, say Excuse me. then wait for a responce. Now wen you tell them what you want, they will try to take you to the first hting they see and get you to buy it is some cases, if they are not showing you well enough to sute your needs, then just start walking off and feeling of the clothes and ask them, what color is this, what does it look like. In most cases, they do not have a clue how to help and and are at a lost on what to do themselves. yes Ashley what you said about the size and brand is a wonderful idea. They will know more of what to look for. If you are not able to find some who worksthere, just go up to anyone and ask if they are a worker, if no, then ask if they could helpyou find one. It seems really scarry at first but is not once you do it. Best of luck, hope you get some nice cloths. lol. On 12/28/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Humberto, > Glad to know I'm not alone. Try and shop with a friend if you have one you > trust. Unfortunately, I don't have that. > > Well, shopping for items that are not visual in nature like clothes, > decorations, and furniture is easier. > I have not done much shopping but here is what works. so far. > I make a mental note of what I want. If it is more than a short list, like > more than three or four items, > I braille out a list. For grocery stores, I also have a print list for the > clerk. I think that is helpful so they can skim the list and ensure you got > everything and also get items you need in the same asile. What I mean is if > you are in the cereal aisle and something else is there, they can get it > with you. But if they do not have a list, they cannot do that. Keep track of > items too you've gotten by marking them off somehow on your list; scratch > the braille out or make a crayon mark or something. But its good to have > other eyeballs check the list IMO. > You do not want to get home and see you forgot an ingredient. > > For other stores, I make a list sometimes. Then I go into the store and find > the cash register and ask for help. Often other customers come up to me and > then I say I'm looking for a store clerk for help and they either find them > or guide me to the counter. > This does not work for department stores because half the time customers > have their back to you as their browsing the racks or shelves and registers > are not fully staffed. > I wait for the clerk and then we walk together and get my items. They tell > me what is available. Then if they just pick something, I ask questions and > feel the item. I cannot read most of the label, but I can feel the size of > the item. I check it before putting it in the basket and moving on. They > might say "we have soap in dove, Leever, and Ocean light" and I might ask > "how many per pack?" and if they are the same item and size I might ask > "what is on sale?" or "how much is each item?" > Sometimes personnel try and take over if you don't talk to them much. They > just think oh I got her the soap, hand sanitizer, and lotion, so I'm done. > But shopping is about making decisions about what you want based on size, > brand, price and more. Soaps come in small bars, large ones, travel size, > and not to mention different brands and scents just as an example. > > I also found that browising the store's website is helpful for an overview > of products they have and if you are not sure and have a specific item or > two, call them and ask. My parents do that too. So its common among > consumers in general. If they are real nice, they might even tell you what > store carries x item or brand if their location does not carry it. > > > For clothes I don't know. Maybe some magazines have good descriptions. > People learn about this stuff by browsing magazines, news ads, and window > shopping and we cannot do that. > > Its easy for authorities to take over as you say and leave us out; not right > as we are the ones wearing it. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Humberto Avila > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 8:06 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] clothes shopping > > Hello Ashley, > > I am having similar experiences with my parents buying my clothes for me > instead of me. I would like to some day make my own independent decisions > about my clothes and what I want to wear and feel comfortable. I'm tired of > authorities taking control of my life, LOL. Smile--. I had the same concerns > and questions as you have about stores in general, not just clothing stores. > In my experiences, yes they do offer help by saying, "are you finding > everything OK?" or things like that. So how can a blind individual making > decisions of what to buy ask or find an employee or a personal assistant at > the store? I haven't seen cases where people call in or something to make > appointments to request assistance at the store; something to look into > also. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf > Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 4:31 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping > > Hi all, > > Well, my mom or family member often buys clothes for me, but I'd like to > sometime try it; I've bought other accessories independently. > So a few more questions. Last time some of you said that you used personal > shoppers or salespeople. > > I can shop at Jcpenny, Macy's and maybe bloomingdales; depends on the mall. > So do you get an appointment with them? > What is good to know other than size and brand? > For instance, if I said I need size 14 jeans petite, and get the brand, is > that enough? > > > How do you find salespeople anyway once > there? Most department stores are huge > I have some vision. Maybe they wear uniforms or something. > > and they do not have employees walking around. Now some accessory stores do > that. For instance at Sears, Bath and Body Works, card stores and Victoria > secret, its been my experience that employees approach people. They say, > "can I help you?" or Are you all finding everything okay? Even if I'm with a > > person, they seem friendly and talk to me. There was a nice lady last time > that explained what stuff was in the signature collection at bath and body > works last time I was there. > > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 Twitter http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 03:03:28 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 22:03:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods Message-ID: <4efbd899.c3bde00a.4eab.5f75@mx.google.com> SXQgbXVzdCBiZS4gIEkgdGhvdWdodCB0aGUgNXRoIGdlbmVyYXRpb24gd2FzIHByZXR0eSBuZXcs IGJ1dCBJIApndWVzcyBJIHdhcyB3cm9uZy4gIFdoYXQgaXMgdGhlIGxhdGVzdCBOYW5vIG1vZGVs PwoKQ2hyaXMKCk1lcnJ5IENocmlzdG1hcyBhbmQgYSBoYXBweSBhbmQgcHJvc3Blcm91cyBuZXcg eWVhciEKCiJUaGUgcmVhbCBwcm9ibGVtIG9mIGJsaW5kbmVzcyBpcyBub3QgdGhlIGxvc3Mgb2Yg ZXllc2lnaHQuICBUaGUgCnJlYWwgcHJvYmxlbSBpcyB0aGUgbWlzdW5kZXJzdGFuZGluZyBhbmQg bGFjayBvZiBlZHVjYXRpb24gdGhhdCAKZXhpc3RzLiAgSWYgYSBibGluZCBwZXJzb24gaGFzIHRo 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OiAzMDQgYnl0ZXMKRGVzYzogbm90IGF2YWlsYWJsZQpVUkw6IDxodHRwOi8vbmZibmV0Lm9yZy9w aXBlcm1haWwvbmFicy1sX25mYm5ldC5vcmcvYXR0YWNobWVudHMvMjAxMTEyMjgvYzE2YzNlZTYv YXR0YWNobWVudC5hPgo= From jty727 at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 03:08:21 2011 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 22:08:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] creative writing class In-Reply-To: <3628595E4EEB435E8CD8515BBEAAA7CB@OwnerPC> References: <3628595E4EEB435E8CD8515BBEAAA7CB@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Ashley, When unsure of what a course covers I usually do one of two things. I ask the professor(if I know them) about it and get a sense of what is required. The other thing if it is possible and I have friends who have taken the course I ask them how it was. Do you know anyone at your school who has taken this course before? When trying to get a sense of the work load it is best to ask someone who has dealt with the course. Hope you enjoy this course, Justin On 12/28/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > I might take creative writing as an elective. Its an intro class. > I like writing but most my writing is concrete and probably not too > creative; I thought this might help me write more descriptively and > imaginatively. > > So what is a class like? If you took it, any challenges you had? Is it more > discussion or writing in class? > What topics are covered? What did you like most about it? > A good thing about a writing class is usually there are not tests, but > essays and projects for midterms and finals. > > Acording to the course description, it covers a little of everything seems > like including drama, poetry, fiction and creative nonfiction. > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From kramc11 at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 03:49:22 2011 From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 22:49:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping References: <68CECBB698694D01B6B57D76F0675D18@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <2EF78B3B1ACD4356AF62AF7155CB2397@cadiganpc> Ashley, How old are you? By this I mean, are you out of high school, out of college, in high school or college etcetera. This makes a big difference in the urgency of figuring out how to shop independently. If you are still in high school or college, there is no problem with shopping with your parents. I am in college, and although I independently shop for clothes when I have to, I much prefer my parents shopping with me, mostly this is because they pay for it. As a college student, saving money is far more important to me than the principle of shopping for my self independently. When I go shopping, I follow a similar procedure as others on this list, and ask for assistance. Another thought is, have you ever thought of attending one of the NFB training centers. Not only will you learn to shop for yourself, you will learn how to do everything independently, including cooking, cleaning, and other household tasks. You will also improve your Braille and technology skills. There mobility training is top notch, which will benefit you in college or when getting a job. Hope this helps, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 7:31 PM Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping > Hi all, > > Well, my mom or family member often buys clothes for me, but I’d like to > sometime try it; I’ve bought other accessories independently. > So a few more questions. Last time some of you said that you used personal > shoppers or salespeople. > > I can shop at Jcpenny, Macy’s and maybe bloomingdales; depends on the > mall. > So do you get an appointment with them? > What is good to know other than size and brand? > For instance, if I said I need size 14 jeans petite, and get the brand, is > that enough? > > > How do you find salespeople anyway once > there? Most department stores are huge > I have some vision. Maybe they wear uniforms or something. > > and they do not have employees walking around. Now some accessory stores > do > that. For instance at Sears, Bath and Body Works, card stores and Victoria > secret, its been my experience that employees approach people. They say, > "can I help you?” or Are you all finding everything okay? Even if I'm with > a > person, they seem friendly and talk to me. There was a nice lady last time > that explained what stuff was in the signature collection at bath and body > works last time I was there. > > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Dec 29 03:57:16 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 22:57:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping In-Reply-To: References: <68CECBB698694D01B6B57D76F0675D18@OwnerPC><4A33A8DBF68D40558129702CB70C10D8@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Lea, Oh thanks. You go to the first counter when you get in the store. For accessories, I have experienced the store clerks taking you to the first item they see and trying to get you to buy that. So it happens with clothes too. But what I'm wondering is how specific do you need to be with clothes? Do you need color and its shade and the brand? Can you be more general and say large casual collar shirt and see what they have on the rack. Glad to know its worked for you. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Lea williams Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] clothes shopping hey I do this a lot. in most cases the counter is close to the door. the check out counter. Just walk in and go up to it, and stand there as long as there are people there. lol, don't want to stand there waiting when no one is there to help. and then they will ask you if you need help and just tell them your blind and your needing help to shop. If they do not say anything to you, say Excuse me. then wait for a responce. Now wen you tell them what you want, they will try to take you to the first hting they see and get you to buy it is some cases, if they are not showing you well enough to sute your needs, then just start walking off and feeling of the clothes and ask them, what color is this, what does it look like. In most cases, they do not have a clue how to help and and are at a lost on what to do themselves. yes Ashley what you said about the size and brand is a wonderful idea. They will know more of what to look for. If you are not able to find some who worksthere, just go up to anyone and ask if they are a worker, if no, then ask if they could helpyou find one. It seems really scarry at first but is not once you do it. Best of luck, hope you get some nice cloths. lol. On 12/28/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Humberto, > Glad to know I'm not alone. Try and shop with a friend if you have one you > trust. Unfortunately, I don't have that. > > Well, shopping for items that are not visual in nature like clothes, > decorations, and furniture is easier. > I have not done much shopping but here is what works. so far. > I make a mental note of what I want. If it is more than a short list, > like > more than three or four items, > I braille out a list. For grocery stores, I also have a print list for the > clerk. I think that is helpful so they can skim the list and ensure you > got > everything and also get items you need in the same asile. What I mean is > if > you are in the cereal aisle and something else is there, they can get it > with you. But if they do not have a list, they cannot do that. Keep track > of > items too you've gotten by marking them off somehow on your list; scratch > the braille out or make a crayon mark or something. But its good to have > other eyeballs check the list IMO. > You do not want to get home and see you forgot an ingredient. > > For other stores, I make a list sometimes. Then I go into the store and > find > the cash register and ask for help. Often other customers come up to me > and > then I say I'm looking for a store clerk for help and they either find > them > or guide me to the counter. > This does not work for department stores because half the time customers > have their back to you as their browsing the racks or shelves and > registers > are not fully staffed. > I wait for the clerk and then we walk together and get my items. They > tell > me what is available. Then if they just pick something, I ask questions > and > feel the item. I cannot read most of the label, but I can feel the size of > the item. I check it before putting it in the basket and moving on. They > might say "we have soap in dove, Leever, and Ocean light" and I might ask > "how many per pack?" and if they are the same item and size I might ask > "what is on sale?" or "how much is each item?" > Sometimes personnel try and take over if you don't talk to them much. They > just think oh I got her the soap, hand sanitizer, and lotion, so I'm done. > But shopping is about making decisions about what you want based on size, > brand, price and more. Soaps come in small bars, large ones, travel size, > and not to mention different brands and scents just as an example. > > I also found that browising the store's website is helpful for an overview > of products they have and if you are not sure and have a specific item or > two, call them and ask. My parents do that too. So its common among > consumers in general. If they are real nice, they might even tell you > what > store carries x item or brand if their location does not carry it. > > > For clothes I don't know. Maybe some magazines have good descriptions. > People learn about this stuff by browsing magazines, news ads, and window > shopping and we cannot do that. > > Its easy for authorities to take over as you say and leave us out; not > right > as we are the ones wearing it. > > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Humberto Avila > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 8:06 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] clothes shopping > > Hello Ashley, > > I am having similar experiences with my parents buying my clothes for me > instead of me. I would like to some day make my own independent decisions > about my clothes and what I want to wear and feel comfortable. I'm tired > of > authorities taking control of my life, LOL. Smile--. I had the same > concerns > and questions as you have about stores in general, not just clothing > stores. > In my experiences, yes they do offer help by saying, "are you finding > everything OK?" or things like that. So how can a blind individual making > decisions of what to buy ask or find an employee or a personal assistant > at > the store? I haven't seen cases where people call in or something to make > appointments to request assistance at the store; something to look into > also. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf > Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 4:31 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping > > Hi all, > > Well, my mom or family member often buys clothes for me, but I'd like to > sometime try it; I've bought other accessories independently. > So a few more questions. Last time some of you said that you used personal > shoppers or salespeople. > > I can shop at Jcpenny, Macy's and maybe bloomingdales; depends on the > mall. > So do you get an appointment with them? > What is good to know other than size and brand? > For instance, if I said I need size 14 jeans petite, and get the brand, is > that enough? > > > How do you find salespeople anyway once > there? Most department stores are huge > I have some vision. Maybe they wear uniforms or something. > > and they do not have employees walking around. Now some accessory stores > do > that. For instance at Sears, Bath and Body Works, card stores and Victoria > secret, its been my experience that employees approach people. They say, > "can I help you?" or Are you all finding everything okay? Even if I'm with > a > > person, they seem friendly and talk to me. There was a nice lady last time > that explained what stuff was in the signature collection at bath and body > works last time I was there. > > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com > -- Lea Williams Phone; 704-732-4470 Skipe; Lea.williams738 Facebook http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 Twitter http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Dec 29 04:00:22 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 23:00:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] creative writing class In-Reply-To: References: <3628595E4EEB435E8CD8515BBEAAA7CB@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <800F1AC0654542B385A35BF0EBB84ED9@OwnerPC> Justin, I already tried getting in touch with the professor and did not get a response. -----Original Message----- From: Justin Young Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 10:08 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] creative writing class Ashley, When unsure of what a course covers I usually do one of two things. I ask the professor(if I know them) about it and get a sense of what is required. The other thing if it is possible and I have friends who have taken the course I ask them how it was. Do you know anyone at your school who has taken this course before? When trying to get a sense of the work load it is best to ask someone who has dealt with the course. Hope you enjoy this course, Justin On 12/28/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > I might take creative writing as an elective. Its an intro class. > I like writing but most my writing is concrete and probably not too > creative; I thought this might help me write more descriptively and > imaginatively. > > So what is a class like? If you took it, any challenges you had? Is it > more > discussion or writing in class? > What topics are covered? What did you like most about it? > A good thing about a writing class is usually there are not tests, but > essays and projects for midterms and finals. > > Acording to the course description, it covers a little of everything seems > like including drama, poetry, fiction and creative nonfiction. > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From aubielynn at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 04:06:25 2011 From: aubielynn at gmail.com (Aubrie Lucas) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:06:25 -0900 Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods In-Reply-To: <4efbd899.c3bde00a.4eab.5f75@mx.google.com> References: <4efbd899.c3bde00a.4eab.5f75@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000901ccc5df$3e391910$baab4b30$@com> The Sixth Generation. It was released in September of last year. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 6:03 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods It must be. I thought the 5th generation was pretty new, but I guess I = was wrong. What is the latest Nano model? Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the = Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" References: <4efb4f3d.476de00a.01be.ffffde87@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000a01ccc5eb$4eea5bf0$ecbf13d0$@comcast.net> Hello chris, It's under sounds in the control panel of your computer. I hope this is helpful to you. Take care and, I will talk to you soon. Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 10:17 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with a USB headset Hi Amy, I too can hear JAWS when I'm in a Skype call, but I can't hear it by itself, when I'm not in a call. Someone else told me to change the sound card setting in JAWS to the USB headset in the JAWS utilities menu, so I'll try that first and see if it works. What settings in the control panel could I change to get this to work? Thanks! Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Sabo" References: <68CECBB698694D01B6B57D76F0675D18@OwnerPC> <4A33A8DBF68D40558129702CB70C10D8@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I thought I'd add my own two cents on this topic, since I'm a light-shadow blind person who enjoys being in fashion. For fashion tips, I turn to magazines like Ladies' Home Journal, which always has a section on fashion that is described pretty well. I also do internet searches for tips on the latest fashions. For example, I learned that this fall's fashion was blocking, and had a lot of fun learning what colours look best together when blocking (where you wear different colours that compliment each other....for example, I wore green pants, a light blue turtleneck, and an orange shirt over that). I also tend to go to the smaller clothing stores in the mall and around town. One of my absolute favourites is H&M, a British store that has just in the last couple of years come to the Unite dStates. There is always someone available to help me find what I'm lookin gfor, or if I'm not sure, to tell me what the latest fashion trends are and offer suggestions to try on. Sometimes, just walking around the store and feeling the fabric and asking my boyfriend "What colour is this?" tells me a lot about fashion. One example I remeber, I was looking at jackets and the elbows all had patches on them! I learned that this was all the rage, for women to have patches on their elbows...who ever thunk! I definitely suggest starting with the smaller clothing stores, such as H$M, Old NAvy, Abercrombie and Fitch, etc., rather than the huge department stores. You're more likely to get one-on-one attention, and you're more likely to get fashion tips while you're there, too. Yes, they'll sometimes try to get you to buy something you don't want, but stick to your gun and only get what you know you'll want to buy. Oh, and don't let them force accessories on you. If you know you have plenty of accessories at home, don't buy that new scarf or necklace that you don't need! Hope that helps some, Jewel On 12/28/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Lea, > Oh thanks. You go to the first counter when you get in the store. For > accessories, I have experienced the store clerks taking you to the first > item they see and trying to get you to buy that. So it happens with clothes > too. But what I'm wondering is how specific do you need to be with clothes? > Do you need color and its shade and the brand? Can you be more general and > say large casual collar shirt and see what they have on the rack. > Glad to know its worked for you. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lea williams > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] clothes shopping > > hey I do this a lot. in most cases the counter is close to the door. > the check out counter. Just walk in and go up to it, and stand there > as long as there are people there. lol, don't want to stand there > waiting when no one is there to help. and then they will ask you if > you need help and just tell them your blind and your needing help to > shop. If they do not say anything to you, say Excuse me. then wait for > a responce. > > Now wen you tell them what you want, they will try to take you to the > first hting they see and get you to buy it is some cases, if they are > not showing you well enough to sute your needs, then just start > walking off and feeling of the clothes and ask them, what color is > this, what does it look like. In most cases, they do not have a clue > how to help and and are at a lost on what to do themselves. > > yes Ashley what you said about the size and brand is a wonderful idea. > They will know more of what to look for. > > If you are not able to find some who worksthere, just go up to anyone > and ask if they are a worker, if no, then ask if they could helpyou > find one. > > It seems really scarry at first but is not once you do it. > > Best of luck, hope you get some nice cloths. lol. > > On 12/28/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Humberto, >> Glad to know I'm not alone. Try and shop with a friend if you have one you >> trust. Unfortunately, I don't have that. >> >> Well, shopping for items that are not visual in nature like clothes, >> decorations, and furniture is easier. >> I have not done much shopping but here is what works. so far. >> I make a mental note of what I want. If it is more than a short list, >> like >> more than three or four items, >> I braille out a list. For grocery stores, I also have a print list for the >> clerk. I think that is helpful so they can skim the list and ensure you >> got >> everything and also get items you need in the same asile. What I mean is >> if >> you are in the cereal aisle and something else is there, they can get it >> with you. But if they do not have a list, they cannot do that. Keep track >> of >> items too you've gotten by marking them off somehow on your list; scratch >> the braille out or make a crayon mark or something. But its good to have >> other eyeballs check the list IMO. >> You do not want to get home and see you forgot an ingredient. >> >> For other stores, I make a list sometimes. Then I go into the store and >> find >> the cash register and ask for help. Often other customers come up to me >> and >> then I say I'm looking for a store clerk for help and they either find >> them >> or guide me to the counter. >> This does not work for department stores because half the time customers >> have their back to you as their browsing the racks or shelves and >> registers >> are not fully staffed. >> I wait for the clerk and then we walk together and get my items. They >> tell >> me what is available. Then if they just pick something, I ask questions >> and >> feel the item. I cannot read most of the label, but I can feel the size of >> the item. I check it before putting it in the basket and moving on. They >> might say "we have soap in dove, Leever, and Ocean light" and I might ask >> "how many per pack?" and if they are the same item and size I might ask >> "what is on sale?" or "how much is each item?" >> Sometimes personnel try and take over if you don't talk to them much. They >> just think oh I got her the soap, hand sanitizer, and lotion, so I'm done. >> But shopping is about making decisions about what you want based on size, >> brand, price and more. Soaps come in small bars, large ones, travel size, >> and not to mention different brands and scents just as an example. >> >> I also found that browising the store's website is helpful for an overview >> of products they have and if you are not sure and have a specific item or >> two, call them and ask. My parents do that too. So its common among >> consumers in general. If they are real nice, they might even tell you >> what >> store carries x item or brand if their location does not carry it. >> >> >> For clothes I don't know. Maybe some magazines have good descriptions. >> People learn about this stuff by browsing magazines, news ads, and window >> shopping and we cannot do that. >> >> Its easy for authorities to take over as you say and leave us out; not >> right >> as we are the ones wearing it. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Humberto Avila >> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 8:06 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] clothes shopping >> >> Hello Ashley, >> >> I am having similar experiences with my parents buying my clothes for me >> instead of me. I would like to some day make my own independent decisions >> about my clothes and what I want to wear and feel comfortable. I'm tired >> of >> authorities taking control of my life, LOL. Smile--. I had the same >> concerns >> and questions as you have about stores in general, not just clothing >> stores. >> In my experiences, yes they do offer help by saying, "are you finding >> everything OK?" or things like that. So how can a blind individual making >> decisions of what to buy ask or find an employee or a personal assistant >> at >> the store? I haven't seen cases where people call in or something to make >> appointments to request assistance at the store; something to look into >> also. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Ashley Bramlett >> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 4:31 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping >> >> Hi all, >> >> Well, my mom or family member often buys clothes for me, but I'd like to >> sometime try it; I've bought other accessories independently. >> So a few more questions. Last time some of you said that you used personal >> shoppers or salespeople. >> >> I can shop at Jcpenny, Macy's and maybe bloomingdales; depends on the >> mall. >> So do you get an appointment with them? >> What is good to know other than size and brand? >> For instance, if I said I need size 14 jeans petite, and get the brand, is >> that enough? >> >> >> How do you find salespeople anyway once >> there? Most department stores are huge >> I have some vision. Maybe they wear uniforms or something. >> >> and they do not have employees walking around. Now some accessory stores >> do >> that. For instance at Sears, Bath and Body Works, card stores and Victoria >> secret, its been my experience that employees approach people. They say, >> "can I help you?" or Are you all finding everything okay? Even if I'm with >> >> a >> >> person, they seem friendly and talk to me. There was a nice lady last time >> that explained what stuff was in the signature collection at bath and body >> works last time I was there. >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > Twitter > http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 14:51:48 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 09:51:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] LWSB and Other Training Centers Message-ID: <4efc7e9e.49cee00a.5fbd.ffffa166@mx.google.com> The list is on teachblindstudents.org. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Aikens wrote: Hi, DOes anyone know where a person might receive trainning to become a TVI? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" References: <68CECBB698694D01B6B57D76F0675D18@OwnerPC><4A33A8DBF68D40558129702CB70C10D8@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4A009D83A4D3479FB1F5C08C23B59671@OwnerPC> thanks jewel; maybe I'll read ladies j home journal. -----Original Message----- From: Jewel Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 5:51 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] clothes shopping I thought I'd add my own two cents on this topic, since I'm a light-shadow blind person who enjoys being in fashion. For fashion tips, I turn to magazines like Ladies' Home Journal, which always has a section on fashion that is described pretty well. I also do internet searches for tips on the latest fashions. For example, I learned that this fall's fashion was blocking, and had a lot of fun learning what colours look best together when blocking (where you wear different colours that compliment each other....for example, I wore green pants, a light blue turtleneck, and an orange shirt over that). I also tend to go to the smaller clothing stores in the mall and around town. One of my absolute favourites is H&M, a British store that has just in the last couple of years come to the Unite dStates. There is always someone available to help me find what I'm lookin gfor, or if I'm not sure, to tell me what the latest fashion trends are and offer suggestions to try on. Sometimes, just walking around the store and feeling the fabric and asking my boyfriend "What colour is this?" tells me a lot about fashion. One example I remeber, I was looking at jackets and the elbows all had patches on them! I learned that this was all the rage, for women to have patches on their elbows...who ever thunk! I definitely suggest starting with the smaller clothing stores, such as H$M, Old NAvy, Abercrombie and Fitch, etc., rather than the huge department stores. You're more likely to get one-on-one attention, and you're more likely to get fashion tips while you're there, too. Yes, they'll sometimes try to get you to buy something you don't want, but stick to your gun and only get what you know you'll want to buy. Oh, and don't let them force accessories on you. If you know you have plenty of accessories at home, don't buy that new scarf or necklace that you don't need! Hope that helps some, Jewel On 12/28/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Lea, > Oh thanks. You go to the first counter when you get in the store. For > accessories, I have experienced the store clerks taking you to the first > item they see and trying to get you to buy that. So it happens with > clothes > too. But what I'm wondering is how specific do you need to be with > clothes? > Do you need color and its shade and the brand? Can you be more general and > say large casual collar shirt and see what they have on the rack. > Glad to know its worked for you. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lea williams > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] clothes shopping > > hey I do this a lot. in most cases the counter is close to the door. > the check out counter. Just walk in and go up to it, and stand there > as long as there are people there. lol, don't want to stand there > waiting when no one is there to help. and then they will ask you if > you need help and just tell them your blind and your needing help to > shop. If they do not say anything to you, say Excuse me. then wait for > a responce. > > Now wen you tell them what you want, they will try to take you to the > first hting they see and get you to buy it is some cases, if they are > not showing you well enough to sute your needs, then just start > walking off and feeling of the clothes and ask them, what color is > this, what does it look like. In most cases, they do not have a clue > how to help and and are at a lost on what to do themselves. > > yes Ashley what you said about the size and brand is a wonderful idea. > They will know more of what to look for. > > If you are not able to find some who worksthere, just go up to anyone > and ask if they are a worker, if no, then ask if they could helpyou > find one. > > It seems really scarry at first but is not once you do it. > > Best of luck, hope you get some nice cloths. lol. > > On 12/28/11, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Humberto, >> Glad to know I'm not alone. Try and shop with a friend if you have one >> you >> trust. Unfortunately, I don't have that. >> >> Well, shopping for items that are not visual in nature like clothes, >> decorations, and furniture is easier. >> I have not done much shopping but here is what works. so far. >> I make a mental note of what I want. If it is more than a short list, >> like >> more than three or four items, >> I braille out a list. For grocery stores, I also have a print list for >> the >> clerk. I think that is helpful so they can skim the list and ensure you >> got >> everything and also get items you need in the same asile. What I mean is >> if >> you are in the cereal aisle and something else is there, they can get it >> with you. But if they do not have a list, they cannot do that. Keep track >> of >> items too you've gotten by marking them off somehow on your list; scratch >> the braille out or make a crayon mark or something. But its good to have >> other eyeballs check the list IMO. >> You do not want to get home and see you forgot an ingredient. >> >> For other stores, I make a list sometimes. Then I go into the store and >> find >> the cash register and ask for help. Often other customers come up to me >> and >> then I say I'm looking for a store clerk for help and they either find >> them >> or guide me to the counter. >> This does not work for department stores because half the time customers >> have their back to you as their browsing the racks or shelves and >> registers >> are not fully staffed. >> I wait for the clerk and then we walk together and get my items. They >> tell >> me what is available. Then if they just pick something, I ask questions >> and >> feel the item. I cannot read most of the label, but I can feel the size >> of >> the item. I check it before putting it in the basket and moving on. They >> might say "we have soap in dove, Leever, and Ocean light" and I might ask >> "how many per pack?" and if they are the same item and size I might ask >> "what is on sale?" or "how much is each item?" >> Sometimes personnel try and take over if you don't talk to them much. >> They >> just think oh I got her the soap, hand sanitizer, and lotion, so I'm >> done. >> But shopping is about making decisions about what you want based on size, >> brand, price and more. Soaps come in small bars, large ones, travel size, >> and not to mention different brands and scents just as an example. >> >> I also found that browising the store's website is helpful for an >> overview >> of products they have and if you are not sure and have a specific item or >> two, call them and ask. My parents do that too. So its common among >> consumers in general. If they are real nice, they might even tell you >> what >> store carries x item or brand if their location does not carry it. >> >> >> For clothes I don't know. Maybe some magazines have good descriptions. >> People learn about this stuff by browsing magazines, news ads, and window >> shopping and we cannot do that. >> >> Its easy for authorities to take over as you say and leave us out; not >> right >> as we are the ones wearing it. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Humberto Avila >> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 8:06 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] clothes shopping >> >> Hello Ashley, >> >> I am having similar experiences with my parents buying my clothes for me >> instead of me. I would like to some day make my own independent decisions >> about my clothes and what I want to wear and feel comfortable. I'm tired >> of >> authorities taking control of my life, LOL. Smile--. I had the same >> concerns >> and questions as you have about stores in general, not just clothing >> stores. >> In my experiences, yes they do offer help by saying, "are you finding >> everything OK?" or things like that. So how can a blind individual making >> decisions of what to buy ask or find an employee or a personal assistant >> at >> the store? I haven't seen cases where people call in or something to make >> appointments to request assistance at the store; something to look into >> also. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Ashley Bramlett >> Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 4:31 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping >> >> Hi all, >> >> Well, my mom or family member often buys clothes for me, but I'd like to >> sometime try it; I've bought other accessories independently. >> So a few more questions. Last time some of you said that you used >> personal >> shoppers or salespeople. >> >> I can shop at Jcpenny, Macy's and maybe bloomingdales; depends on the >> mall. >> So do you get an appointment with them? >> What is good to know other than size and brand? >> For instance, if I said I need size 14 jeans petite, and get the brand, >> is >> that enough? >> >> >> How do you find salespeople anyway once >> there? Most department stores are huge >> I have some vision. Maybe they wear uniforms or something. >> >> and they do not have employees walking around. Now some accessory stores >> do >> that. For instance at Sears, Bath and Body Works, card stores and >> Victoria >> secret, its been my experience that employees approach people. They say, >> "can I help you?" or Are you all finding everything okay? Even if I'm >> with >> >> a >> >> person, they seem friendly and talk to me. There was a nice lady last >> time >> that explained what stuff was in the signature collection at bath and >> body >> works last time I was there. >> >> >> Thanks. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/leanicole1988%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > > Lea Williams > > Phone; > 704-732-4470 > Skipe; > Lea.williams738 > Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100001775297080 > Twitter > http://twitter.com/LeaNicole1988 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/herekittykat2%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 15:23:22 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 10:23:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] creative writing class Message-ID: <4efc8605.47c2e00a.520a.ffffb718@mx.google.com> You might want to get the class sylabus beforehand. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Young wrote: Hi all, I might take creative writing as an elective. Its an intro class. I like writing but most my writing is concrete and probably not too creative; I thought this might help me write more descriptively and imaginatively. So what is a class like? If you took it, any challenges you had? Is it more discussion or writing in class? What topics are covered? What did you like most about it? A good thing about a writing class is usually there are not tests, but essays and projects for midterms and finals. Acording to the course description, it covers a little of everything seems like including drama, poetry, fiction and creative nonfiction. Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau m%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 15:23:31 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 10:23:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] problem with a USB headset Message-ID: <4efc860e.47c2e00a.520a.ffffb722@mx.google.com> OK, thanks! I'll check that out if the JAWS thing doesn't work. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. 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<3628595E4EEB435E8CD8515BBEAAA7CB@OwnerPC> References: <3628595E4EEB435E8CD8515BBEAAA7CB@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I took two classes like this, one was a creative writing class and the other was a writing class dealing with different cultures so it was very similar in that you had to get creative to be able to write from the perspective of a different culture a lot of research was involved as well. The basic concept was the same but they were run completely different so as far as knowing how it go's that depends on the teacher. One thing I can tell you though is that it will probably be a class where you will be required to peer edit. For this end ever I suggest having a partner or two that are willing to have it done the night before rather than scrambling at the last minute so you can email the papers to each other. Another option if you are also a procrastinator as I was is to use a laptop as a note taker rather than a brail note and fined a partner who does the same then you can trade lap tops if you have that portable jaws or windoeyes thing: or you could email that day if the school has wifi, or use a thumb drive to pass the information around to your partner or partners and vise versa. Make sure you know what format of word your partners have so everything is compatible. I personally found the thumb drive method to work the best because a lot of time we used class time to edit and you want to make sure you have something to do when they edit if you did it ahead of time you will just be sitting their. However it is up to you and what works the best for you and your editing partners. Also I recommend either having a second copy for your partner to edit so you can compare or having your partner just rite a list of suggestions in a separate document. The reason I say this is because some things are necessary corrections while others are opinion based. If it is a opinion based suggestion and it is not one you like or you only like part of it you do not want your copy changed in case you do not remember what you originally had. Many sighted people use laptops in lou of pen and paper so this will not be hard to do. Andi -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:42 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] creative writing class Hi all, I might take creative writing as an elective. Its an intro class. I like writing but most my writing is concrete and probably not too creative; I thought this might help me write more descriptively and imaginatively. So what is a class like? If you took it, any challenges you had? Is it more discussion or writing in class? What topics are covered? What did you like most about it? A good thing about a writing class is usually there are not tests, but essays and projects for midterms and finals. Acording to the course description, it covers a little of everything seems like including drama, poetry, fiction and creative nonfiction. Thanks. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/adrianne.dempsey%40gmail.com From gloria.graves at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 19:15:52 2011 From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 13:15:52 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping References: <68CECBB698694D01B6B57D76F0675D18@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <45CF2ADE01764703B326248C4AF7FFBD@Gloria> Hi, I shop by myself most of the time using a sales person. Besides the size of clothing I think it is a good idea to have in mind what colors you like best or what types of textures you like. I have had great experiences with sales people in stores like victoria secret, bath and body works, JC Penny's etc... and the people usually ask me what things I like and describe what they have in the store that would be what I am looking for or something close. I also like to sometimes know what knew things they have in the store so if it is some place like vanity I would ask the sales girls what they think would look good on me if they have time and the store is not busy of course. I love shopping and have not been disapointed with my purchases. Hope this helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 6:31 PM Subject: [nabs-l] clothes shopping > Hi all, > > Well, my mom or family member often buys clothes for me, but I’d like to > sometime try it; I’ve bought other accessories independently. > So a few more questions. Last time some of you said that you used personal > shoppers or salespeople. > > I can shop at Jcpenny, Macy’s and maybe bloomingdales; depends on the > mall. > So do you get an appointment with them? > What is good to know other than size and brand? > For instance, if I said I need size 14 jeans petite, and get the brand, is > that enough? > > > How do you find salespeople anyway once > there? Most department stores are huge > I have some vision. Maybe they wear uniforms or something. > > and they do not have employees walking around. Now some accessory stores > do > that. For instance at Sears, Bath and Body Works, card stores and Victoria > secret, its been my experience that employees approach people. They say, > "can I help you?” or Are you all finding everything okay? Even if I'm with > a > person, they seem friendly and talk to me. There was a nice lady last time > that explained what stuff was in the signature collection at bath and body > works last time I was there. > > > Thanks. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com > From dandrews at visi.com Thu Dec 29 20:03:24 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:03:24 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo Message-ID: Subject: Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo http://www.indiegogo.com/Open-Source-Braille-Display The Story This project started earlier this year when I read a local author's book of life as a Blind person. After contacting him, I decided I could best help by designing a simple device to make low-cost Braille display from a computer possible. So Will It Change the World? I hope so - or I wouldn't be working on it! Braille is to the Blind as the written word is to us sighted folk - and so Braille literacy is vitally important. Yet according to Wikipedia, while in 1960 half of blind American schoolchildren could read Braille, in 2007, that number had dropped to one in ten. To improve literacy, we need to make available more ways to access and learn Braille - and an important one is a tool to allow the Blind to read the vast amounts of information on the Internet. For many years, Braille readers have done just that. A Braille reader takes computer text and turns it into tactile impressions of Braille characters for the blind to 'read'. However, these devices are expensive - thousands of dollars - and so few can afford them. The goal of this project is to make an Open Source/Open Hardware Braille reader: simpler, easy to build, well documented, and inexpensive, so people anywhere can make it themselves (or get it made locally). But there's a second goal: to get people doing more. This design is meant to be simple and cheap to build. My hope is other, smarter people will step in and build better, faster, and more powerful devices. But nobody is doing it now, and so someone has to start the ball rolling. With your help, this will be that ball... What You Can Do The goal is to get from the current first prototype to a finished design for a 40-character Braille display, complete with software, and all the details people need to build it, placed online. To that end, here's some of the things needed: list of 4 items • Small CNC machine (build or buy), to do faster turnaround of prototype parts. • Purchase a selection of stepper motors and driver boards, to test different price/performance ratios for the Braille display design. • Get a low-cost netbook to prototype the exact software to run a device (netbook rather than a full computer so as to test the device in the most likely 'real world' situation). • Materials! Prototypes use up a lot of material, as a part can get tweaked many times, each time requiring a new piece cut out. list end Make no mistake - the project IS going ahead, whether a little or a lot of money comes in - the difference is just the speed things happen! So when this project is out there making the difference I hope it will, ask yourself how good it will feel to say 'I helped with that' - and please contribute! Any level is appreciated, and there's some 'thank yous' listed on the right side of this page to show appreciate for your aid. Progress will be discussed on my blog, http://UtopiaMechanicus.com, and designs will be made available there as they are finished. All code and design will also be made available for download, allowing people to make or modify these products. What (Else) You Can Do Tell the world - the more people that know of this project, the greater impact we can make. Blog about it, tweet away, link to it, talk about it at work. And please share this information with everyone and anyone. Thank You. From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Dec 29 22:39:16 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:39:16 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Music a Message-ID: From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Thu Dec 29 22:40:47 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:40:47 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Music Appreciation Classes Message-ID: Hi, it's Joshua Lester. Has anyone ever taken Music Appreciation online? I have it this semester, and I'd like to know how accessible it is. Thanks, Joshua From aubielynn at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 02:24:21 2011 From: aubielynn at gmail.com (Aubrie Lucas) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 17:24:21 -0900 Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods In-Reply-To: <4efc860c.47c2e00a.520a.ffffb721@mx.google.com> References: <4efc860c.47c2e00a.520a.ffffb721@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <003001ccc69a$25eb90c0$71c2b240$@com> Yes. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 6:24 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods Oh, so that must be the touch screen one. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the = Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aubrie Lucas" Message-ID: Aubrie, Can you please eail me off list? My email address is as follows: kobycox at gmail.com. Thanks, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aubrie Lucas Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:24 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods Yes. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 6:24 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods Oh, so that must be the touch screen one. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aubrie Lucas" -----Original Message----- From: blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:blindtlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 12:03 PM To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org Subject: [Blindtlk] Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo Subject: Open Source Braille Display -- IndieGoGo http://www.indiegogo.com/Open-Source-Braille-Display The Story This project started earlier this year when I read a local author's book of life as a Blind person. After contacting him, I decided I could best help by designing a simple device to make low-cost Braille display from a computer possible. So Will It Change the World? I hope so - or I wouldn't be working on it! Braille is to the Blind as the written word is to us sighted folk - and so Braille literacy is vitally important. Yet according to Wikipedia, while in 1960 half of blind American schoolchildren could read Braille, in 2007, that number had dropped to one in ten. To improve literacy, we need to make available more ways to access and learn Braille - and an important one is a tool to allow the Blind to read the vast amounts of information on the Internet. For many years, Braille readers have done just that. A Braille reader takes computer text and turns it into tactile impressions of Braille characters for the blind to 'read'. However, these devices are expensive - thousands of dollars - and so few can afford them. The goal of this project is to make an Open Source/Open Hardware Braille reader: simpler, easy to build, well documented, and inexpensive, so people anywhere can make it themselves (or get it made locally). But there's a second goal: to get people doing more. This design is meant to be simple and cheap to build. My hope is other, smarter people will step in and build better, faster, and more powerful devices. But nobody is doing it now, and so someone has to start the ball rolling. With your help, this will be that ball... What You Can Do The goal is to get from the current first prototype to a finished design for a 40-character Braille display, complete with software, and all the details people need to build it, placed online. To that end, here's some of the things needed: list of 4 items . Small CNC machine (build or buy), to do faster turnaround of prototype parts. . Purchase a selection of stepper motors and driver boards, to test different price/performance ratios for the Braille display design. . Get a low-cost netbook to prototype the exact software to run a device (netbook rather than a full computer so as to test the device in the most likely 'real world' situation). . Materials! Prototypes use up a lot of material, as a part can get tweaked many times, each time requiring a new piece cut out. list end Make no mistake - the project IS going ahead, whether a little or a lot of money comes in - the difference is just the speed things happen! So when this project is out there making the difference I hope it will, ask yourself how good it will feel to say 'I helped with that' - and please contribute! Any level is appreciated, and there's some 'thank yous' listed on the right side of this page to show appreciate for your aid. Progress will be discussed on my blog, http://UtopiaMechanicus.com, and designs will be made available there as they are finished. All code and design will also be made available for download, allowing people to make or modify these products. What (Else) You Can Do Tell the world - the more people that know of this project, the greater impact we can make. Blog about it, tweet away, link to it, talk about it at work. And please share this information with everyone and anyone. Thank You. _______________________________________________ blindtlk mailing list blindtlk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindtlk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/avila.bert.humberto2%4 0gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Fri Dec 30 17:42:47 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:42:47 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: 2012 Tournament of Roses Parade Broadcast with Audio Description Message-ID: > >Serotek is pleased to announce the broadcast of >the 2012 Tournament of Roses Parade with audio >description, courtesy of the >Los Angeles Radio Reading >Service. The parade will take place on Monday, >January 2 from 11 am to 1 pm Eastern, and will >be broadcast live on SAMNet Radio. There are >several options for accessing SAMNet Radio. It >is available from the front page of Serotek’s >iBlink Radio app for >Android >or iOS devices. SAMNet >Radio can also be accessed through the >entertainment section of the >System Access Mobile >Network service. Or if you like, you can simply >enter the following URL in to your media player >of choice. >http://streams.serotek.com/radio.mp3.m3u >If you’re unable to catch the event live, it >will be available for download from the >SeroTalk Podcast home page. > >Our thanks go out to the Los Angeles Radio >Reading Service for allowing us to share this exciting event with you. > >The serotek Team From tannis at afb.net Fri Dec 30 20:27:26 2011 From: tannis at afb.net (Tara Annis) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 20:27:26 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] scholarships for international students Message-ID: <28DEBD505C185140A61A985DCBAB086A09E92C60@CH1PRD0402MB102.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> FYI: AFB has a scholarship for International students, those who are studying at a college/university in the United States but are not US citizens. It is called the Torres. Visit www.afb.org/scholarships.asp to apply online. From dandrews at visi.com Fri Dec 30 23:06:22 2011 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 17:06:22 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [orion-announce] Orion Status Message-ID: > >From: Marc Mulcahy >Subject: [orion-announce] Orion Status >Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:51:30 -0700 > >Hello All: > > >There have been several questions by some of our customers regarding >the upcoming release of the Orion products. I want to assure you >that our silence in responding to your questions is due to the fact >that we are working diligently to ensure that we exceed your >expectations with these products! > > >As most of you know, we have been partnering with the American >Printing House for the Blind, (APH) in development of these >products. Our original agreement included development of both a >device with a Braille display, and a voice-only device. Though some >challenges have delayed market introduction, those very challenges >have resulted in a higher level of research which has solidified our >confidence that the level of customer satisfaction in these products >will be exceeded! > > >As we reach the final stages of development and approach the >production stages of the project, Levelstar Management has decided >to invest all energies into the APH version of the products. This >decision will allow for the earliest possible market introduction of >product. The APH Braille Plus 18 Second Generation and the Braille >Plus Second Generation will include all the features and benefits as >planned for the Orion. Though a first quarter 2012 introduction date >is anticipated for the APH Braille Plus 18 Second Generation, all >questions regarding availability and pricing of the Braille Plus >Second Generation products should be directed to the American >Printing House for the Blind. > > > >Subsequent to the release of the APH products, LevelStar Management >will evaluate the feasibility of bringing the products to market >under our own brand name. It's clear from feedback we've received >that people are confused about the feature and benefit differences >between the Orion and the APH Braille Plus Second Generation >products. An absence of any differences between the products would >indeed result in confusion and not benefit anyone in the process and >detract from our goal that is to fulfill the needs of our customers >through dedicated research, resulting in the highest quality product! > > >We very much appreciate your interest and share in your excitement >as to the world that will be opened with the Braille Plus 18 Second >Generation and Braille Plus Second Generation Products! > > >Respectfully, > > > >Marc Mulcahy > >Vice President Engineering > >Levelstar, LLC From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 23:48:46 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 18:48:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] fw: [blindtlk] fwd: [orien-announce] Orion status Message-ID: <4efe4df9.85cae00a.3dc5.0c6f@mx.google.com> FYI... ---- Original Message ------ From: David Andrews > >Subject: [UACCESS-L] Announcing JWin - a program for installing the >Java Access Bridge > on Windows >Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 19:03:51 -0800 > >Now available at > >http://EmpowermentZone.com/JWin_setup.exe > >or for a developer distribution > >http://EmpowermentZone.com/JWin_setup.zip > >I hope that JWin helps to open up more Java applications on Windows >by making it easy to add accessibility support. More info about the >program is below, including a link to the full documentation. > >Jamal > >---------- > >JWin is a free, open source program for detecting and installing the >Java Runtime Environment (JRE) on Windows, together with the Java >Access Bridge (JAB), which is needed for full accessibility of >Java-based applications to assistive technologies used by persons >with disabilities. > >After confirming user intent, the program will create a directory >containing JAB reference material, a log file, and an uninstallation >program to later remove the JAB, if desired. It looks for locations >of the JRE and offers to install the JAB into them. Three possible >directories are identified: (1) the directory of a 32-bit JRE; (2) >the directory of a 64-bit JRE; and (3) the directory referenced by >the JAVA_HOME environment variable. > >The program will open a log file when complete, detailing the >actions taken. The JAB may be installed into any JRE location on >the computer by first setting the JAVA_HOME environment variable to >point to the relevant directory before running the executable. > >If no JRE is found by the program, it will offer to go to the web >page for installing Java. > >Full documentation for this program is also available online at > >http://EmpowermentZone.com/JWin.htm From freethaught at gmail.com Sat Dec 31 16:29:02 2011 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:29:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] scholarships for international students In-Reply-To: <28DEBD505C185140A61A985DCBAB086A09E92C60@CH1PRD0402MB102.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> References: <28DEBD505C185140A61A985DCBAB086A09E92C60@CH1PRD0402MB102.namprd04.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <4EFF384E.3020104@gmail.com> Tara, Could you give some clarifications on the Torres scholarship? I would like to apply based on this description on the AFB page. The Ferdinand Torres Scholarship provides one (1) scholarship of $3,500 to a full-time undergraduate or graduate student. Strong preference will be given to new immigrants to the United States, and to those residing in the New York City metropolitan area. To be eligible the applicant must reside in the United States, but need not be a citizen of the United States. 1. I will be a citizen of the United States by February, more than likely. 2. I have been in the country since 1995, which means I am not a new immigrant. 3. How does AFB define "resides in the United States?" Does it require applicants to be Resident Alien card holders? 4. Do people who are not new immigrants, and do not live in the New York metropolitan area have a good chance at receiving the Torres scholarship? Ie, number of recipients outside the "strong preference" status in the past? I realize these questions require thought and a little research on your part, but you stated this scholarship is for international students who are not citizens. Is the strong preference a requirement? Part of that will depend on the pool of applicants you will get, but what is the general approach? I applaud the effort to help fund the international student education since this population tends to receive less state agency support than others. I appreciate your thoughtful response. Antonio On 12/30/2011 3:27 PM, Tara Annis wrote: > > > FYI: AFB has a scholarship for International students, those who are studying at a college/university in the United States but are not US citizens. It is called the Torres. Visit www.afb.org/scholarships.asp to apply online. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com > From freethaught at gmail.com Sat Dec 31 17:02:00 2011 From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 12:02:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] managing email Message-ID: <4EFF4008.3020808@gmail.com> Hello, I'm wondering how some of you find a way to manage email most effectively. What one program do you find fits most of your needs? I find myself using Thunderbird on a windows XP machine, and 2 windows 7 setups. I have outlook express on the XP machine, and use Mac OS mail program at times. I have the option to use Outlook 2000 and Outlook 2007, but I remember not liking Outlook for one reason or another. I would set it up with my gmail accounts to see what added features I can get out of the 2007 one, since it is newer and bound to be more feature-rich. I often mail from the iPhone. This almost infinit number of options is daunting since each program sorts messages differently, has its own addressbook, and so on. I have yet to be able to find out how I can purchase a Microsoft Exchange account which may be the most logical solution to my problem. Quite frankly I've only gotten general information and instruction on setting one up. Any thoughts? Antonio From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Dec 31 19:39:20 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:39:20 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] managing email Message-ID: <4eff6503.c7c5e00a.7819.ffffe46a@mx.google.com> Hi Antonio, I mainly use Keymail, which is the email program built into my BrailleNote, or the Gmail Web interface. I find myself using the BrailleNote more for emails, mainly because I don't like Gmail's grouping of emails into "conversations," or threads, in the Web interface. I can't easily reply to a particular email in the Web interface, but can only reply to the email at the end of the thread. I've tried Outlook, but it seemed a little confusing to me. Hope this helps! Happy new year! Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Antonio Guimaraes References: <4eff6503.c7c5e00a.7819.ffffe46a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2881710212527851313@unknownmsgid> I love Apple Mail and Mail on the iPhone. They just work for me and I never have problems with them. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Antonio, > > I mainly use Keymail, which is the email program built into my BrailleNote, or the Gmail Web interface. I find myself using the BrailleNote more for emails, mainly because I don't like Gmail's grouping of emails into "conversations," or threads, in the Web interface. I can't easily reply to a particular email in the Web interface, but can only reply to the email at the end of the thread. I've tried Outlook, but it seemed a little confusing to me. Hope this helps! Happy new year! > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Antonio Guimaraes To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 12:02:00 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] managing email > > Hello, > > I'm wondering how some of you find a way to manage email most > effectively. What one program do you find fits most of your needs? > > I find myself using Thunderbird on a windows XP machine, and 2 windows 7 > setups. > > I have outlook express on the XP machine, and use Mac OS mail program at > times. > > I have the option to use Outlook 2000 and Outlook 2007, but I remember > not liking Outlook for one reason or another. I would set it up with my > gmail accounts to see what added features I can get out of the 2007 one, > since it is newer and bound to be more feature-rich. > > I often mail from the iPhone. > > This almost infinit number of options is daunting since each program > sorts messages differently, has its own addressbook, and so on. > > I have yet to be able to find out how I can purchase a Microsoft > Exchange account which may be the most logical solution to my problem. > Quite frankly I've only gotten general information and instruction on > setting one up. > > Any thoughts? > > Antonio > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From kobycox at gmail.com Sat Dec 31 20:15:59 2011 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:15:59 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] managing email In-Reply-To: <2881710212527851313@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: What are the differences between the to of them? Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ignasi Cambra Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 1:44 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] managing email I love Apple Mail and Mail on the iPhone. They just work for me and I never have problems with them. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Hi Antonio, > > I mainly use Keymail, which is the email program built into my BrailleNote, or the Gmail Web interface. I find myself using the BrailleNote more for emails, mainly because I don't like Gmail's grouping of emails into "conversations," or threads, in the Web interface. I can't easily reply to a particular email in the Web interface, but can only reply to the email at the end of the thread. I've tried Outlook, but it seemed a little confusing to me. Hope this helps! Happy new year! > > Chris > > Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! > > "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." > -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 > > The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Antonio Guimaraes To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 12:02:00 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] managing email > > Hello, > > I'm wondering how some of you find a way to manage email most > effectively. What one program do you find fits most of your needs? > > I find myself using Thunderbird on a windows XP machine, and 2 windows 7 > setups. > > I have outlook express on the XP machine, and use Mac OS mail program at > times. > > I have the option to use Outlook 2000 and Outlook 2007, but I remember > not liking Outlook for one reason or another. I would set it up with my > gmail accounts to see what added features I can get out of the 2007 one, > since it is newer and bound to be more feature-rich. > > I often mail from the iPhone. > > This almost infinit number of options is daunting since each program > sorts messages differently, has its own addressbook, and so on. > > I have yet to be able to find out how I can purchase a Microsoft > Exchange account which may be the most logical solution to my problem. > Quite frankly I've only gotten general information and instruction on > setting one up. > > Any thoughts? > > Antonio > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.925 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4114 - Release Date: 12/31/11 01:33:00 From jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu Sat Dec 31 20:38:39 2011 From: jlester8462 at students.pccua.edu (Joshua Lester) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:38:39 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] A new online radio station! Message-ID: Hi, it's Joshua Lester. I'm voluntarily working behind the scenes to promote a new online station. Please tune in, tomorrow night, at 8 PM Eastern, to this address, for the signing on of a new online radio station. http://www.wics.cc I.C.S, stands for "The Internet's Community Station." We will hopefully be streaming the 2012 convention of the NFB live on our station. Please tune in, tomorrow night for sign-on. This was formerly the TFFP Radio Network. Read more about the philosophy and history of WICS, on my friend's blog. http://kwaakproductions.blogspot.com Thanks, Joshua From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Dec 31 21:04:12 2011 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 13:04:12 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] A new online radio station! Message-ID: <4eff78e8.c7c5e00a.7819.ffffec01@mx.google.com> I'll be sure to tune in! Happy new year! Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Lester References: Message-ID: <-8975898445699029296@unknownmsgid> Apple mail has more functionality, more keyboard commands, and a menu system. Users have a better level of control with it if they are familiar with VoiceOver on the Mac. Mail on the iPhone automatically displays messages in reverse cronological order, and sorts by thread. It is easier to manage deletting messages. Mail on the iPhone I realize is quite powerful as far as searching. I might do well to pay closer attention to its features, and simplicity. Thank you for the reminder. Mail on the iPhone does not land itself to attaching files, copying and pasting from other programs, and the like, but may be great for reading and responding to messages on regular basis. Apple mail is not very condussive to receiving and saving attachments for use in windows applications. At least I've saved .doc files from Mail for use in Word, and the file was corrupted/unreadable. It would seem that a multiple tools approach is best. I just hope to narrow it down to fewer. Antonio M Guimaraes Jr.. On Dec 31, 2011, at 15:17, Koby Cox wrote: > What are the differences between the to of them? > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On > Behalf Of Ignasi Cambra > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 1:44 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] managing email > > I love Apple Mail and Mail on the iPhone. They just work for me and I > never have problems with them. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Dec 31, 2011, at 8:41 PM, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: > >> Hi Antonio, >> >> I mainly use Keymail, which is the email program built into my > BrailleNote, or the Gmail Web interface. I find myself using the > BrailleNote more for emails, mainly because I don't like Gmail's > grouping of emails into "conversations," or threads, in the Web > interface. I can't easily reply to a particular email in the Web > interface, but can only reply to the email at the end of the thread. > I've tried Outlook, but it seemed a little confusing to me. Hope this > helps! Happy new year! >> >> Chris >> >> Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! >> >> "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real > problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a > blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be > reduced to a mere physical nuisance." >> -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, > 1968-1986 >> >> The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in > Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive > technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be > equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the > Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at > www.icanfoundation.info! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Antonio Guimaraes > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Date sent: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 12:02:00 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] managing email >> >> Hello, >> >> I'm wondering how some of you find a way to manage email most >> effectively. What one program do you find fits most of your needs? >> >> I find myself using Thunderbird on a windows XP machine, and 2 windows > 7 >> setups. >> >> I have outlook express on the XP machine, and use Mac OS mail program > at >> times. >> >> I have the option to use Outlook 2000 and Outlook 2007, but I remember >> not liking Outlook for one reason or another. I would set it up with > my >> gmail accounts to see what added features I can get out of the 2007 > one, >> since it is newer and bound to be more feature-rich. >> >> I often mail from the iPhone. >> >> This almost infinit number of options is daunting since each program >> sorts messages differently, has its own addressbook, and so on. >> >> I have yet to be able to find out how I can purchase a Microsoft >> Exchange account which may be the most logical solution to my problem. >> Quite frankly I've only gotten general information and instruction on >> setting one up. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Antonio >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail > .com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.925 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4114 - Release Date: 12/31/11 > 01:33:00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com From djdrocks4ever at gmail.com Sat Dec 31 21:47:52 2011 From: djdrocks4ever at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 16:47:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Ring In The New Year With A Count Down Prizes And More On Audio Access FM Message-ID: <491604BD849D4C418F446C899C22E141@AudioShockWave> Greetings, And Happy New Year Everybody! If you're planning on a small New Years eve with a small group of family or friends, then let Audio Access FM be part of your celebration, starting with tonight's exciting music count down at 5:30PM eastern that could win you a gift card to your favorite restaurant!!! Most people expect to receive gifts during Christmas, and most expect to exchange them during Christmas. But when can you say you got a New Years gift too? Well, don't look now, but Audio Access FM presents for you twice this weekend two chances for you to come away with a gift card to a restaurant of your choice! Join me, Djd, for my special year end look at The Top 30 Songs of 2011, as reported by billboard.com. The show will air twice: Once today December 31 at 5:30 PM eastern, and again January 1 at 9 PM eastern. If you're a music lover, you'll love our tour of this year's best hits in the hot adult contemporary genre. Hear the songs I think may make it big next year; and, by helping us out, you'll be put in a drawing to win a 50 dollar gift card to either a restaurant of your choice or to the Chese Cake Factory, with one or two smaller prizes thrown in for good measure too! You can enter in once per show. So pick which show you want to hear and follow the instructions given to maybe get lucky and have a New Years holiday present to share with a loved one or special friend! So, to find out if your favorite song made the cut this year, save this email, and at 5:30PM eastern tonight, point and click over to http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php and join me, for our exciting New Years year end review. But that's not all! At 9 PM eastern, help me ring in the New Year with the folks at The MyTVLand Portal http://www.mytvland.net We'll be teaming up with them to bring you some music, and some other unique surprises that you're sure to love. Watch television and radio go hand in hand as we throw you a little New Years Party! Oh, and did I mention you can be part of the party? During the party, send any requests/shoutouts/what ever to interact at audioaccessfm.com skype in to audio.accessfm or call in by phone at 516 324 2314 That'll begin at 9 PM eastern on Audio Access FM! Again, the link to be part of the New Years Eve events is at http://www.audioaccessfm.com/listen_live.php starting at 5:30PM eastern with the year end countdown! So tell your friends, and let's have some fun to ring in the new year! >From David From anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com Sat Dec 31 22:41:33 2011 From: anmolpbhatia at yahoo.com (Anmol Bhatia) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:41:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [nabs-l] scholarships for international students In-Reply-To: <4EFF384E.3020104@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1325371293.22832.YahooMailClassic@web162004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Antonio, I would directly call AFB to ask these questions. There is a 1800 number listed on the application. Anmol I seldom think about my limitations, and they never make me sad. Perhaps there is just a touch of yearning at times; but it is vague, like a breeze among flowers. Hellen Keller --- On Sat, 12/31/11, Antonio Guimaraes wrote: > From: Antonio Guimaraes > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] scholarships for international students > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date: Saturday, December 31, 2011, 10:29 AM > Tara, > > Could you give some clarifications on the Torres > scholarship? I would like to apply based on this description > on the AFB page. > > The Ferdinand Torres Scholarship provides one (1) > scholarship of $3,500 to a full-time undergraduate or > graduate student. Strong preference will be given > to new immigrants to the United States, and to those > residing in the New York City metropolitan area. To be > eligible the applicant must reside in the United > States, but need not be a citizen of the United States. > > 1. I will be a citizen of the United States by February, > more than likely. > > 2. I have been in the country since 1995, which means I am > not a new immigrant. > > 3. How does AFB define "resides in the United States?" Does > it require applicants to be Resident Alien card holders? > > 4. Do people who are not new immigrants, and do not live in > the New York metropolitan area have a good chance at > receiving the Torres scholarship? Ie, number of recipients > outside the "strong preference" status in the past? > > I realize these questions require thought and a little > research on your part, but you stated this scholarship is > for international students who are not citizens. Is the > strong preference a requirement? Part of that will depend on > the pool of applicants you will get, but what is the general > approach? > > I applaud the effort to help fund the international student > education since this population tends to receive less state > agency support than others. > > I appreciate your thoughtful response. > > Antonio > > > > On 12/30/2011 3:27 PM, Tara Annis wrote: > > > > > > FYI: AFB has a scholarship for International students, > those who are studying at a college/university in the United > States but are not US citizens.  It is called the > Torres. Visit www.afb.org/scholarships.asp to    >   apply online. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com > >    > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your > account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anmolpbhatia%40yahoo.com > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Dec 31 23:04:53 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:04:53 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] ring out the old, ring in the new: an exciting new station is born! See inside for more info. Message-ID: Hello to all. I'm writing to a bunch of people at once so some of you depending on what lists you are on might get this twice. I'm here to announce the coming of a brand new station. What will it be you might ask? Well; find out at the appointed place and time and spread the word. date: jan 1 2012. Place: http://listen.ultrastreams.us:8022/stream.m3u time: 8:00 pm eastern, 7 pm central, 6 pm mountain and 5 pm Pacific. Join the staff as we do our best to ring in the new year with a good time and a new station. Like I might had said before, times change, people change, and a new station is born. We'll have a retrospectives thing, music, and in general a lot of fun. Again, find out what it is tomorrow only on, well, you'll find out. Happy holidays and a happy new year to all From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Dec 31 23:53:05 2011 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:53:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] question on Ipods In-Reply-To: <4efc860c.47c2e00a.520a.ffffb721@mx.google.com> References: <4efc860c.47c2e00a.520a.ffffb721@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Chris, It sounds like your fifth generation is not touch screen and the sixth generation is. That is why I'm hearing different stories from different people. No one mentioned the classic. Is ipod classic touch screen? How does it operate? Does it have voice over? -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:23 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] question on Ipods Oh, so that must be the touch screen one. Chris Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous new year! "The real problem of blindness is not the loss of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of education that exists. If a blind person has the proper training and opportunity, blindness can be reduced to a mere physical nuisance." -- Kenneth Jernigan (President, National Federation of the Blind, 1968-1986 The I C.A.N. Foundation helps blind and visually impaired youth in Maryland say "I can," by empowering them through providing assistive technology and scholarships to camps and conventions which help them be equal with their sighted peers. For more information about the Foundation and to support our work, visit us online at www.icanfoundation.info! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aubrie Lucas"