[nabs-l] Check out my latest blog- sorry, shameless self promotion

Thu Feb 3 21:59:01 UTC 2011

I have been writing a blog for the Omaha World Herald's website, Live
Well Nebraska.com, since October.

I am trying to promote my bi-weekly blog so I can continue to gain
traffic.

Yes, the blog is about blindness, but I also discuss diabetes as well.
I have been encouraging my Federation friends to read and comment
because you can help provide insight as well as supporting our
capabilities.  We have strength in numbers.

Anyway, check it out, if you wish at
http://blogs.livewellnebraska.com/2011/02/03/the-hindrance-of-sight/.
Thanks.

Bridgit P

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Today's Topics:

   1. Sex knowledge survey (angela dehart)
   2. Just A Thought (Joe Orozco)
   3. Re: Sex knowledge survey (Darian Smith)
   4. Re: An Invitation to participate in a sex knowledge survey (Jedi)
   5. Re: Sex knowledge survey (Jedi)
   6. Re: Sex knowledge survey (blackbyrdfly at gmail.com)
   7. Invittation to participate in sex study (Bridgit Pollpeter)
   8. Community service call February 13 (community service Outreach)
   9. Re: Invittation to participate in sex study (Darian Smith)
  10. Re: integration question (minh ha)
  11. IRTI NewsClips February 2011 Volume 11 Number 1 (H. Field)
  12. Re: Invittation to participate in sex study (Jedi)
  13. Re: Other sites for downloading books? (Joseph C. Lininger)
  14. Re: integration question (Joseph C. Lininger)
  15. Re: Invittation to participate in sex study (Beth)
  16. Re: Sex knowledge survey (Beth)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 10:20:23 -0800 (PST)
From: angela dehart <drummer_grl_91 at yahoo.com>
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Sex knowledge survey
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I fail to understand why individuals are so fascinated by the sex lives
of blind 
people. We have sex like everyone else in the world, so screw your 131 
questions. This is an insult to me as a blind individual and I cannot
for the 
life of me understand why it is impertinent for this to be discussed.
Angela 

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   1. Re: GRE (Cindy Bennett)
   2. assistive technology training (Jorge Paez)
   3. An Invitation to Participate in a Sex Knowledge Survey
      (Liz Bottner)
   4. Dealing with Science Labs (Brian Wooten)
   5. Re: Dealing with Science Labs (Jorge Paez)
   6. BDC ? interview (Jorge Paez)
   7. integration question (minh ha)
   8. Re: Dealing with Science Labs (Melissa )
   9. Fwd: items for sale (David Andrews)
  10. Re: An Invitation to Participate in a Sex Knowledge Survey
      (Jewel S.)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:06:36 -0500
From: Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE
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You can email me off list as well. But one quick thing, braille/large
print supplements come with your voiced GRE.

Cindy

On 1/30/11, William ODonnell <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Please email me off-list so we can discuss this since I took the exam 
> twice.  In addition, I would like to find out what measures you are 
> taking in planning for this exam. Thank you.
>
>
> --- On Sun, 1/30/11, Martha Harris <latinanewschic at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Martha Harris <latinanewschic at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] GRE
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 10:04 PM
>> Hi Everyone,
>> For anyone who has taken this exam, what accomodations did you use. I

>> prefer taking tests on the computer, but I think it would be helpful 
>> to have the quantitative part in Braille.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Martha
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:11:58 -0500
From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] assistive technology training
Message-ID: <E0AD29FC-062E-4160-8E13-F262568CDD07 at mac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII

Hi all:
Just wondering,
how would you get certified to teach assistive technology?
Any college courses you need to take?
Or would you need to be certefied by each company: E.G., get seperate 
certifications from Freedom Scientific to teach JAWS, and from gMicro to
teach 
Window Eyes, etc?

Thanks,

Jorge

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:20:08 -0600
From: Liz Bottner <liziswhatis at hotmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] An Invitation to Participate in a Sex Knowledge
    Survey
Message-ID: <SNT124-DS15CC62C41B2A90BE7F3AA7BAE20 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi all,

I send the following on behalf of a colleague. See below.

Liz

We are conducting a study to develop the content of a test to determine
the level of knowledge that young adults who are blind or severely
visually disabled possess. Thus, with this e-mail message, you are being
invited to participate if you are between the ages of 18 and 20 and if
you are blind or severely visually impaired.  Please read the
ramifications for participation in the study which are described below.
After reading the information, if you wish to participate  in the study,
please send Gaylen Kapperman an e-e-mail indicating that you are willing
to participate. Include your name, age, whether you are male or female,
and the approximate level of visual disability that you have. Include
your mailing address and your telephone number. If you agree to the
stipulations as described below, indicate that in your e-mail.  Upon
receipt of your e-mail, Professor Kapperman will forward your e-mail to
one of his research assistants who will make contact with you to set up
a  date and time when you can be interviewed.  If you are male, he will
choose a male research assistant and if you are female, he will choose a
female research assistant. Upon completion of the interview, we will
send you a ten-dollar bill as a token of our appreciation. Please read
the description of the research study below. 
And please forward this e-mail to anyone whom you know who meets the
requirements for participation and whom you think may be interested in
being included in the study. We are trying to find as many individuals
to participate as we can by "going viral" with this invitation.  Thus,
you can help us a lot by forwarding this on to others. 

Please read the following paragraphs carefully. 
With this e-mail message, we are requesting that you participate in a
research study. We want to develop a test over sex knowledge which blind
and visually impaired young adults can take. This is a rough draft. That
is, we are not certain whether the 131true/false statements on the test
are written properly. You can help us develop this test by taking it and
giving us your answers.  Your answers will be completely anonymous. That
is, no one except the researchers will know how you answered the
statements. No one outside of the research team will see your answers.
We will ask you to indicate whether you are a  male or female , your
age, and your visual acuity. We will record all of that information
including your name and address, but please be assured that once we have
analyzed the results, we intend to delete  all of the names of the
participants so no one in the future will be able to tell who
participated. 

The  interviewer will read each statement. Then, you are to  tell the
interviewer whether you think it is true or false.  We do not want you
to guess. Thus, if you do not know, we want you to indicate that to the
interviewer. Also, if  the interviewer  reads words that you do not
understand, we want you to  tell the interviewer those words.  When you
are done, we will  send you a ten-dollar bill as a token of our
appreciation for your willingness to  be interviewed. 

The purpose of this study is to develop the best test we can in order
that we can use it in the future with other visually disabled
adolescents and young adults. The problem is if the test is not very
good, then we can't trust the results. Thus, you can help us by taking
the test as a trial run. We will analyze all of the answers given by all
of the  participants to help us figure out which statements are good and
which ones should be thrown out or rewritten. 

We want you to understand that you are not forced to  participate in
this study. If you choose not to participate, that is okay. Nothing bad
will happen. If you start the  interview and then decide not to finish
it, that is okay too. We want you to know that if you finish the
interview, then we will give you a ten-dollar bill. If you decide not to
be interviewed or not to finish the interview, then you will not receive
the money.

If you have questions or concerns about this study, you are invited to
contact Gaylen Kapperman, the director of the study. He can be reached
by e-mail at gkapperman at niu.edu. Alternatively, you may reach him by
telephone at 815-753-8453 at Northern  Illinois University. 

Please be sure to read the following statement. 
By my responding to this invitation by sending Gaylen Kapperman an
e-mail indicating my willingness to participate, I attest to the fact
that I have read the statement above and that I understand the
ramifications of my participation in the study.  

Thank you very  much.
Sincerely,
Gaylen Kapperman
Professor and Coordinator
Visual Disabilities Program
Department of Teaching and Learning
Northern Illinois University
DeKalb, IL 60115
815-753-8453
gkapperman at niu.edu

email: 

<mailto:liziswhatis at hotmail.com> liziswhatis at hotmail.com 

Visit my LiveJournal: 

<http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com/>
http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 

Follow me on Twitter: 

http://twitter.com/lizbot 

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:17:55 -0600
From: Brian Wooten <mbrianwooten at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing with Science Labs
Message-ID:
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Hello,

I am taking Astronomy this semester and I would like to get some
feedback, pointers and suggestions on how to deal with labs which are
quite visual. For example, measuring with calipers and micrometers,
interpreting spectroscopes, using Planetarium software, etc.

I attend a small community college and they don't know how to deal with
blind students. I am not sure what to ask of them.  Any suggestions?

-- 
Brian

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:20:53 -0500
From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing with Science Labs
Message-ID: <08173A7E-BD9D-4A46-A110-D1250897EEBE at mac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII

I don't know the specifics because I've never been in this particular
Science 
field,
but I'd say the most important thing is to ask for a reader.

That way, if anything comes up that you MUST know, you can always ask
them.

On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Brian Wooten wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I am taking Astronomy this semester and I would like to get some 
> feedback, pointers and suggestions on how to deal with labs which are 
> quite visual. For example, measuring with calipers and micrometers, 
> interpreting spectroscopes, using Planetarium software, etc.
> 
> I attend a small community college and they don't know how to deal 
> with blind students. I am not sure what to ask of them.  Any 
> suggestions?
> 
> --
> Brian
> 
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:45:17 -0500
From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] BDC ? interview
Message-ID: <575A050E-0569-4393-A9A8-BFB7F2650D76 at mac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII

Hi all:
Just wondering if any of you participated in the Blind Driver Challenge
Rally 
and launch last weekend.

If so, would you be willing to do an interview this Saturday for my
technology 
show?

Please let me know.

If you'd rather not do it in audio,
we can also do it via email and I'll post the transcripts up on our
blog.

Jorge

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:47:59 -0500
From: minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com>
To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
Cc: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] integration question
Message-ID:
    <AANLkTikKwBSgWFg3LFQZTUZGiGAS94sqJ8jCWEyBw0zY at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

Hii,

I?m taking AP Calculus and we?re doing the Rectangle Approximation
Method and Trapezoidal Rule for integration at the moment. I was
wondering if you guys have any suggestions or know of any programs to
attack this problem. My classmates have graphing calculators and my
teachers gave them a couple of programs to put in to their calculators
so they could figure out problems without drawing the rectangles and
trapezoids out by hand. It?s also a lot easier to figure out problems
that require really small intervals. I?m currently drawing rectangles
out on raised graph paper, but this takes an excessive amount of time
and is not really efficient. I have the Audio Graphing Calculator, but I
don?t think it supports the RAM. However, I don?t know all of AGC?s
capabilities, so maybe it does? Also, we are doing sigma notation which
looks extremely weird in Braille. Is there anyway to write it correctly
in Microsoft word using Greek letters? Could the Braille note have a way
to write this notation as well?

Thanks so much for your help

Minh

-- 
Douglas Adams - "You live and learn. At any rate, you live."

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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:05:16 -0600
From: "Melissa " <jamandgab at izoom.net>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing with Science Labs
Message-ID: <002201cbc19b$55c86840$015938c0$@izoom.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"

Good evening.  I can help, a little anyway.  I am a junior at the U of
Minnesota, majoring in nutrition and dietary science.  I have taken at
least 6 chemistry courses, 2 biology courses, including micro, anatomy
and physiology which includes labs, and am currently in biochemistry.
Until biochem, all of my labs were at a local community college, at
which I was the first blind person, and I graduated with honors.  So,
that being said, the first thing to do is ask them to find you a
laboratory assistant who has previously taken the course.  They can use
work study to pay this person. With this assistant, you will need to
give them explicit instructions as to what you want them to do, and they
will perform the task for you.  For example, if you want them to
calibrate the spectrometer to a specific setting, you instruct the to do
so.  Then you would instruct them to prepare the sample just so, then
read you the results, which you are responsible for recording and
interpreting.  Having someone who has previously taken the course as
your lab assistant will help because they will know what information is
pertinent and what is not. I would also suggest forming a close and
snuggly relationship with your professor and lab technician, who can be
very valuable assets. I am more than happy to be of any assistance that
I can, I am a science nerd.  Feel free to write me off list if you have
further questions.  Please though, take full advantage of this
opportunity, I love it when the visually impaired take courses that
raise other's eyebrows. Warmly, Melissa Melissa Riley
jamandgab at izoom.net riley365 at umn.edu

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Jorge Paez
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 2:21 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing with Science Labs

I don't know the specifics because I've never been in this particular
Science field, but I'd say the most important thing is to ask for a
reader.

That way, if anything comes up that you MUST know, you can always ask
them.

On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Brian Wooten wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I am taking Astronomy this semester and I would like to get some
> feedback, pointers and suggestions on how to deal with labs which are 
> quite visual. For example, measuring with calipers and micrometers, 
> interpreting spectroscopes, using Planetarium software, etc.
> 
> I attend a small community college and they don't know how to deal
> with blind students. I am not sure what to ask of them.  Any 
> suggestions?
> 
> --
> Brian
> 
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 20:08:15 -0600
From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org,
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: items for sale
Message-ID: <auto-000188878903 at mailfront2.g2host.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

>
>
>
>I have the following items for sale:
>
>
>    * Braille Sense Plus B32, in good condition
>
>Comes with carrying case and charger
>
>Asking $4,000 or best offer
>    * BrailleNote MPower with 32 cell display, in good condition,
> running Keysoft 7.2Comes with carrying case and charger
>
>Asking $2,000 or best offer
>    * BrailleNote QT 32
>
>Several cells of display need some repairs
>
>Running Keysoft 5.1
>
>Asking $100
>
>
>
>To make an offer, or for any questions, please contact Steve Decker at:
>
><mailto:stephendecker at comcast.net>stephendecker at comcast.net
>
>Phone:  612-655-1372

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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 09:13:41 -0500
From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] An Invitation to Participate in a Sex Knowledge
    Survey
Message-ID:
    <AANLkTik5xygk8vjgsENib1v_bzsL5zM0120soRvZ7EaG at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Wow, the age range is very restrictive. Do they think that the limited
age range wwill promote a more valid survey? I have to question that.
They should include younger and older students to get an idea of when
students gain sexual knowledge. A survey of just 18-20 year-olds will
not show when students gain that sexual knowledge....

On 1/31/11, Liz Bottner <liziswhatis at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I send the following on behalf of a colleague. See below.
>
>
>
> Liz
>
>
> We are conducting a study to develop the content of a test to 
> determine the level of knowledge that young adults who are blind or 
> severely visually disabled possess. Thus, with this e-mail message, 
> you are being invited to participate if you are between the ages of 18

> and 20 and if you are blind or severely visually impaired.  Please 
> read the ramifications for participation in the study which are 
> described below. After reading the information, if you wish to 
> participate  in the study, please send Gaylen Kapperman an e-e-mail 
> indicating that you are willing to participate. Include your name, 
> age, whether you are male or female, and the approximate level of 
> visual disability that you have. Include  your mailing address and 
> your telephone number. If you agree to the stipulations as described 
> below, indicate that in your e-mail.  Upon receipt of your e-mail, 
> Professor Kapperman will forward your e-mail to one of his research 
> assistants who will make contact with you to set up a  date and time 
> when you can be interviewed.  If you are male, he will choose a male 
> research assistant and if you are female, he will choose a female 
> research assistant. Upon completion of the interview, we will send you

> a ten-dollar bill as a token of our appreciation. Please read the 
> description of the research study below. And please forward this 
> e-mail to anyone whom you know who meets the requirements for 
> participation and whom you think may be interested in being included 
> in the study. We are trying to find as many individuals to participate

> as we can by "going viral" with this invitation.  Thus, you can help 
> us a lot by forwarding this on to others.
>
> Please read the following paragraphs carefully.
> With this e-mail message, we are requesting that you participate in a 
> research study. We want to develop a test over sex knowledge which 
> blind and visually impaired young adults can take. This is a rough 
> draft. That is, we are not certain whether the 131true/false 
> statements on the test are written properly. You can help us develop 
> this test by taking it and giving us your answers.  Your answers will 
> be completely anonymous. That is, no one except the researchers will 
> know how you answered the statements. No one outside of the research 
> team will see your answers.  We will ask you to indicate whether you 
> are a  male or female , your age, and your visual acuity. We will 
> record all of that information including your name and address, but 
> please be assured that once we have analyzed the results, we intend to

> delete  all of the names of the participants so no one in the future 
> will be able to tell who participated.
>
> The  interviewer will read each statement. Then, you are to  tell the 
> interviewer whether you think it is true or false.  We do not want you

> to guess. Thus, if you do not know, we want you to indicate that to 
> the interviewer. Also, if  the interviewer  reads words that you do 
> not understand, we want you to  tell the interviewer those words.  
> When you are done, we will  send you a ten-dollar bill as a token of 
> our appreciation for your willingness to  be interviewed.
>
> The purpose of this study is to develop the best test we can in order 
> that we can use it in the future with other visually disabled 
> adolescents and young adults. The problem is if the test is not very 
> good, then we can't trust the results. Thus, you can help us by taking

> the test as a trial run. We will analyze all of the answers given by 
> all of the  participants to help us figure out which statements are 
> good and which ones should be thrown out or rewritten.
>
> We want you to understand that you are not forced to  participate in 
> this study. If you choose not to participate, that is okay. Nothing 
> bad will happen. If you start the  interview and then decide not to 
> finish it, that is okay too. We want you to know that if you finish 
> the interview, then we will give you a ten-dollar bill. If you decide 
> not to  be interviewed or not to finish the interview, then you will 
> not receive the money.
>
> If you have questions or concerns about this study, you are invited to

> contact Gaylen Kapperman, the director of the study. He can be reached

> by e-mail at gkapperman at niu.edu. Alternatively, you may reach him by 
> telephone at 815-753-8453 at Northern  Illinois University.
>
> Please be sure to read the following statement.
> By my responding to this invitation by sending Gaylen Kapperman an 
> e-mail indicating my willingness to participate, I attest to the fact 
> that I have read the statement above and that I understand the  
> ramifications of my participation in the study.
>
> Thank you very  much.
> Sincerely,
> Gaylen Kapperman
> Professor and Coordinator
> Visual Disabilities Program
> Department of Teaching and Learning
> Northern Illinois University
> DeKalb, IL 60115
> 815-753-8453
> gkapperman at niu.edu
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:18:00 -0500
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] Just A Thought
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On January 7 Debbie Wunder wrote to the list asking for tips on how to
better engage young people in what could be considered an aging
affiliate. No, we may all not live in Missouri, but yes, it is a common
problem that impacts the longevity of the organization.  I can count the
number of responses the post received.  Fast forward a few weeks, and
the sex survey has stirred up a pretty consistent response rate.
Priorities?  Relevance? I don't know the impetus, but for me, it's
something worth mulling over.

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam
Ewing 

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 11:21:37 -0800
From: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex knowledge survey
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Angela  and list,

  While  I do find the concept of this study interesting,  I would like
to  throw out a few thoughts of my  own, if I may.  Yes, it is obviously
true that blind people have  sex and sexual desires, much  like any
other human being.  But the question that may be worth thinking about
is, how do we go about getting  the information?  How do we find out
about sex?  are we told of it by our parents? by the  teachers at the
schools for the blind? on T.V., Books, Media? how do we visualize it? Is
Sex and sexuality something that  can be depicted in a tactual model, or
illistrated in a braille
book?  All I am suggesting, is that   there are many questions
surrounding sex that don't  really  have to do with "do you know what
goes where?" If I was within the age range of the study (and I am not
anymore), I would ask myself if   the questions  that I'm being asked
are really worthwhile questions that help people to be better educated
about blindness and what we really can do, or if it's just  a study
that  has no real meaning to it.   I would also wonder where the
findings will go, where will they be  printed,  will the consumer
organizations (NFB, ACB)  get a hold of this data?  These are just some
thoughtsI am just allowing to surface for now.
  Thanks,
  Darian

On 2/2/11, angela dehart <drummer_grl_91 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I fail to understand why individuals are so fascinated by the sex 
> lives of blind people. We have sex like everyone else in the world, so

> screw your 131 questions. This is an insult to me as a blind 
> individual and I cannot for the
> life of me understand why it is impertinent for this to be discussed.
> Angela
>
>
>
>
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>    1. Re: GRE (Cindy Bennett)
>    2. assistive technology training (Jorge Paez)
>    3. An Invitation to Participate in a Sex Knowledge Survey
>       (Liz Bottner)
>    4. Dealing with Science Labs (Brian Wooten)
>    5. Re: Dealing with Science Labs (Jorge Paez)
>    6. BDC ? interview (Jorge Paez)
>    7. integration question (minh ha)
>    8. Re: Dealing with Science Labs (Melissa )
>    9. Fwd: items for sale (David Andrews)
>   10. Re: An Invitation to Participate in a Sex Knowledge Survey
>       (Jewel S.)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:06:36 -0500
> From: Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE
> Message-ID:
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> You can email me off list as well. But one quick thing, braille/large 
> print supplements come with your voiced GRE.
>
> Cindy
>
> On 1/30/11, William ODonnell <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Please email me off-list so we can discuss this since I took the exam

>> twice.  In addition, I would like to find out what measures you are 
>> taking in planning for this exam.
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>> --- On Sun, 1/30/11, Martha Harris <latinanewschic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Martha Harris <latinanewschic at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] GRE
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 10:04 PM
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> For anyone who has taken this exam, what accomodations did you use. 
>>> I prefer taking tests on the computer, but I think it would be 
>>> helpful to have the quantitative part in Braille.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Martha
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>
> --
> Cindy Bennett
> uNC Wilmington Psychology major
>
> clb5590 at gmail.com
> 828.989.5383
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:11:58 -0500
> From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] assistive technology training
> Message-ID: <E0AD29FC-062E-4160-8E13-F262568CDD07 at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
>
> Hi all:
> Just wondering,
> how would you get certified to teach assistive technology? Any college

> courses you need to take? Or would you need to be certefied by each 
> company: E.G., get seperate certifications from Freedom Scientific to 
> teach JAWS, and from gMicro to teach
> Window Eyes, etc?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:20:08 -0600
> From: Liz Bottner <liziswhatis at hotmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] An Invitation to Participate in a Sex Knowledge
>     Survey
> Message-ID: <SNT124-DS15CC62C41B2A90BE7F3AA7BAE20 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> I send the following on behalf of a colleague. See below.
>
>
>
> Liz
>
>
> We are conducting a study to develop the content of a test to 
> determine the level of knowledge that young adults who are blind or 
> severely visually disabled possess. Thus, with this e-mail message, 
> you are being invited to participate if you are between the ages of 18

> and 20 and if you are blind or severely visually impaired.  Please 
> read the ramifications for participation in the study which are 
> described below. After reading the information, if you wish to 
> participate  in the study, please send Gaylen Kapperman an e-e-mail 
> indicating that you are willing to participate. Include your name, 
> age, whether you are male or female, and the approximate level of 
> visual disability that you have. Include  your mailing address and 
> your telephone number. If you agree to the stipulations as described 
> below, indicate that in your e-mail.  Upon receipt of your e-mail, 
> Professor Kapperman will forward your e-mail to one of his research 
> assistants who will make contact with you to set up a  date and time 
> when you can be interviewed.  If you are male, he will choose a male 
> research assistant and if you are female, he will choose a female 
> research assistant. Upon completion of the interview, we will send you

> a ten-dollar bill as a token of our appreciation. Please read the 
> description of the research study below. And please forward this 
> e-mail to anyone whom you know who meets the requirements for 
> participation and whom you think may be interested in being included 
> in the study. We are trying to find as many individuals to participate

> as we can by "going viral" with this invitation.  Thus, you can help 
> us a lot by forwarding this on to others.
>
> Please read the following paragraphs carefully.
> With this e-mail message, we are requesting that you participate in a 
> research study. We want to develop a test over sex knowledge which 
> blind and visually impaired young adults can take. This is a rough 
> draft. That is, we are not certain whether the 131true/false 
> statements on the test are written properly. You can help us develop 
> this test by taking it and giving us your answers.  Your answers will 
> be completely anonymous. That is, no one except the researchers will 
> know how you answered the statements. No one outside of the research 
> team will see your answers.  We will ask you to indicate whether you 
> are a  male or female , your age, and your visual acuity. We will 
> record all of that information including your name and address, but 
> please be assured that once we have analyzed the results, we intend to

> delete  all of the names of the participants so no one in the future 
> will be able to tell who participated.
>
> The  interviewer will read each statement. Then, you are to  tell the 
> interviewer whether you think it is true or false.  We do not want you

> to guess. Thus, if you do not know, we want you to indicate that to 
> the interviewer. Also, if  the interviewer  reads words that you do 
> not understand, we want you to  tell the interviewer those words.  
> When you are done, we will  send you a ten-dollar bill as a token of 
> our appreciation for your willingness to  be interviewed.
>
> The purpose of this study is to develop the best test we can in order 
> that we can use it in the future with other visually disabled 
> adolescents and young adults. The problem is if the test is not very 
> good, then we can't trust the results. Thus, you can help us by taking

> the test as a trial run. We will analyze all of the answers given by 
> all of the  participants to help us figure out which statements are 
> good and which ones should be thrown out or rewritten.
>
> We want you to understand that you are not forced to  participate in 
> this study. If you choose not to participate, that is okay. Nothing 
> bad will happen. If you start the  interview and then decide not to 
> finish it, that is okay too. We want you to know that if you finish 
> the interview, then we will give you a ten-dollar bill. If you decide 
> not to  be interviewed or not to finish the interview, then you will 
> not receive the money.
>
> If you have questions or concerns about this study, you are invited to

> contact Gaylen Kapperman, the director of the study. He can be reached

> by e-mail at gkapperman at niu.edu. Alternatively, you may reach him by 
> telephone at 815-753-8453 at Northern  Illinois University.
>
> Please be sure to read the following statement.
> By my responding to this invitation by sending Gaylen Kapperman an 
> e-mail indicating my willingness to participate, I attest to the fact 
> that I have read the statement above and that I understand the  
> ramifications of my participation in the study.
>
> Thank you very  much.
> Sincerely,
> Gaylen Kapperman
> Professor and Coordinator
> Visual Disabilities Program
> Department of Teaching and Learning
> Northern Illinois University
> DeKalb, IL 60115
> 815-753-8453
> gkapperman at niu.edu
>
>
>
>
>
> email:
>
> <mailto:liziswhatis at hotmail.com> liziswhatis at hotmail.com
>
> Visit my LiveJournal:
>
> <http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com/>
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>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:17:55 -0600
> From: Brian Wooten <mbrianwooten at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing with Science Labs
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hello,
>
> I am taking Astronomy this semester and I would like to get some 
> feedback, pointers and suggestions on how to deal with labs which are 
> quite visual. For example, measuring with calipers and micrometers, 
> interpreting spectroscopes, using Planetarium software, etc.
>
> I attend a small community college and they don't know how to deal 
> with blind students. I am not sure what to ask of them.  Any 
> suggestions?
>
> --
> Brian
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:20:53 -0500
> From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing with Science Labs
> Message-ID: <08173A7E-BD9D-4A46-A110-D1250897EEBE at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
>
> I don't know the specifics because I've never been in this particular 
> Science field,
> but I'd say the most important thing is to ask for a reader.
>
> That way, if anything comes up that you MUST know, you can always ask 
> them.
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Brian Wooten wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am taking Astronomy this semester and I would like to get some 
>> feedback, pointers and suggestions on how to deal with labs which are

>> quite visual. For example, measuring with calipers and micrometers, 
>> interpreting spectroscopes, using Planetarium software, etc.
>>
>> I attend a small community college and they don't know how to deal 
>> with blind students. I am not sure what to ask of them.  Any 
>> suggestions?
>>
>> --
>> Brian
>>
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>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:45:17 -0500
> From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] BDC ? interview
> Message-ID: <575A050E-0569-4393-A9A8-BFB7F2650D76 at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
>
> Hi all:
> Just wondering if any of you participated in the Blind Driver 
> Challenge Rally and launch last weekend.
>
> If so, would you be willing to do an interview this Saturday for my 
> technology show?
>
>
> Please let me know.
>
>
> If you'd rather not do it in audio,
> we can also do it via email and I'll post the transcripts up on our 
> blog.
>
>
>
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:47:59 -0500
> From: minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com>
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Cc: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] integration question
> Message-ID:
>     <AANLkTikKwBSgWFg3LFQZTUZGiGAS94sqJ8jCWEyBw0zY at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Hii,
>
> I?m taking AP Calculus and we?re doing the Rectangle Approximation 
> Method and Trapezoidal Rule for integration at the moment. I was 
> wondering if you guys have any suggestions or know of any programs to 
> attack this problem. My classmates have graphing calculators and my 
> teachers gave them a couple of programs to put in to their calculators

> so they could figure out problems without drawing the rectangles and 
> trapezoids out by hand. It?s also a lot easier to figure out problems 
> that require really small intervals. I?m currently drawing rectangles 
> out on raised graph paper, but this takes an excessive amount of time 
> and is not really efficient. I have the Audio Graphing Calculator, but

> I don?t think it supports the RAM. However, I don?t know all of AGC?s 
> capabilities, so maybe it does? Also, we are doing sigma notation 
> which looks extremely weird in Braille. Is there anyway to write it 
> correctly in Microsoft word using Greek letters? Could the Braille 
> note have a way to write this notation as well?
>
> Thanks so much for your help
>
> Minh
>
>
> --
> Douglas Adams - "You live and learn. At any rate, you live."
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:05:16 -0600
> From: "Melissa " <jamandgab at izoom.net>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing with Science Labs
> Message-ID: <002201cbc19b$55c86840$015938c0$@izoom.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>
> Good evening.  I can help, a little anyway.  I am a junior at the U of

> Minnesota, majoring in nutrition and dietary science.  I have taken at

> least 6 chemistry courses, 2 biology courses, including micro, anatomy

> and physiology which includes labs, and am currently in biochemistry.

> Until biochem, all of my labs were at a local community college, at 
> which I was the first blind person, and I graduated with honors.  So, 
> that being said, the first thing to do is ask them to find you a 
> laboratory assistant who has previously taken the course.  They can 
> use work study to pay this person. With this assistant, you will need 
> to give them explicit instructions as to what you want them to do, and

> they will perform the task for you.  For example, if you want them to 
> calibrate the spectrometer to a specific setting, you instruct the to 
> do so.  Then you would instruct them to prepare the sample just so, 
> then read you the results, which you are responsible for recording and

> interpreting.  Having someone who has previously taken the course as 
> your lab assistant will help because they will know what information 
> is pertinent and what is not. I would also suggest forming a close and

> snuggly relationship with your professor and lab technician, who can 
> be very valuable assets. I am more than happy to be of any assistance 
> that I can, I am a science nerd.  Feel free to write me off list if 
> you have further questions.  Please though, take full advantage of 
> this opportunity, I love it when the visually impaired take courses 
> that raise other's eyebrows. Warmly, Melissa
> Melissa Riley
> jamandgab at izoom.net
> riley365 at umn.edu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Jorge Paez
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 2:21 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing with Science Labs
>
> I don't know the specifics because I've never been in this particular 
> Science field, but I'd say the most important thing is to ask for a 
> reader.
>
> That way, if anything comes up that you MUST know, you can always ask 
> them.
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Brian Wooten wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am taking Astronomy this semester and I would like to get some 
>> feedback, pointers and suggestions on how to deal with labs which are

>> quite visual. For example, measuring with calipers and micrometers, 
>> interpreting spectroscopes, using Planetarium software, etc.
>>
>> I attend a small community college and they don't know how to deal 
>> with blind students. I am not sure what to ask of them.  Any 
>> suggestions?
>>
>> --
>> Brian
>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 20:08:15 -0600
> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org,
> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: items for sale
> Message-ID: <auto-000188878903 at mailfront2.g2host.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>I have the following items for sale:
>>
>>
>>    * Braille Sense Plus B32, in good condition
>>
>>Comes with carrying case and charger
>>
>>Asking $4,000 or best offer
>>    * BrailleNote MPower with 32 cell display, in good condition,  
>>running Keysoft 7.2Comes with carrying case and charger
>>
>>Asking $2,000 or best offer
>>    * BrailleNote QT 32
>>
>>Several cells of display need some repairs
>>
>>Running Keysoft 5.1
>>
>>Asking $100
>>
>>
>>
>>To make an offer, or for any questions, please contact Steve Decker 
>>at:
>>
>><mailto:stephendecker at comcast.net>stephendecker at comcast.net
>>
>>Phone:  612-655-1372
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 09:13:41 -0500
> From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] An Invitation to Participate in a Sex Knowledge
>     Survey
> Message-ID:
>     <AANLkTik5xygk8vjgsENib1v_bzsL5zM0120soRvZ7EaG at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Wow, the age range is very restrictive. Do they think that the limited

> age range wwill promote a more valid survey? I have to question that. 
> They should include younger and older students to get an idea of when 
> students gain sexual knowledge. A survey of just 18-20 year-olds will 
> not show when students gain that sexual knowledge....
>
> On 1/31/11, Liz Bottner <liziswhatis at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I send the following on behalf of a colleague. See below.
>>
>>
>>
>> Liz
>>
>>
>> We are conducting a study to develop the content of a test to 
>> determine the level of knowledge that young adults who are blind or 
>> severely visually disabled possess. Thus, with this e-mail message, 
>> you are being invited to participate if you are between the ages of 
>> 18 and 20 and if you are blind or
>> severely visually impaired.  Please read the ramifications for
>> participation
>> in the study which are described below. After reading the
information, if
>> you wish to participate  in the study, please send Gaylen Kapperman
an
>> e-e-mail indicating that you are willing to participate. Include your
>> name,
>> age, whether you are male or female, and the approximate level of
visual
>> disability that you have. Include  your mailing address and your
telephone
>> number. If you agree to the stipulations as described below, indicate
that
>> in your e-mail.  Upon receipt of your e-mail, Professor Kapperman
will
>> forward your e-mail to one of his research assistants who will make
>> contact
>> with you to set up a  date and time when you can be interviewed.  If
you
>> are
>> male, he will choose a male research assistant and if you are female,
he
>> will choose a female research assistant. Upon completion of the
interview,
>> we will send you a ten-dollar bill as a token of our appreciation.
Please
>> read the description of the research study below.
>> And please forward this e-mail to anyone whom you know who meets the
>> requirements for participation and whom you think may be interested
in
>> being
>> included in the study. We are trying to find as many individuals to
>> participate as we can by "going viral" with this invitation.  Thus,
you
>> can
>> help us a lot by forwarding this on to others.
>>
>> Please read the following paragraphs carefully.
>> With this e-mail message, we are requesting that you participate in a

>> research study. We want to develop a test over sex knowledge which 
>> blind and visually impaired young adults can take. This is a rough 
>> draft. That is, we
>> are not certain whether the 131true/false statements on the test are
>> written
>> properly. You can help us develop this test by taking it and giving
us
>> your
>> answers.  Your answers will be completely anonymous. That is, no one
>> except
>> the researchers will know how you answered the statements. No one
outside
>> of
>> the research team will see your answers.  We will ask you to indicate
>> whether you are a  male or female , your age, and your visual acuity.
We
>> will record all of that information including your name and address,
but
>> please be assured that once we have analyzed the results, we intend
to
>> delete  all of the names of the participants so no one in the future
will
>> be
>> able to tell who participated.
>>
>> The  interviewer will read each statement. Then, you are to  tell the

>> interviewer whether you think it is true or false.  We do not want 
>> you to guess. Thus, if you do not know, we want you to indicate that 
>> to the interviewer. Also, if  the interviewer  reads words that you 
>> do not understand, we want you to  tell the interviewer those words.

>> When you are done, we will  send you a ten-dollar bill as a token of 
>> our appreciation for
>> your willingness to  be interviewed.
>>
>> The purpose of this study is to develop the best test we can in order

>> that we can use it in the future with other visually disabled 
>> adolescents and young adults. The problem is if the test is not very 
>> good, then we can't trust the results. Thus, you can help us by 
>> taking the test as a trial run. We will analyze all of the answers 
>> given by all of the  participants to help
>> us figure out which statements are good and which ones should be
thrown
>> out
>> or rewritten.
>>
>> We want you to understand that you are not forced to  participate in 
>> this study. If you choose not to participate, that is okay. Nothing 
>> bad will happen. If you start the  interview and then decide not to 
>> finish it, that is okay too. We want you to know that if you finish 
>> the interview, then we will give you a ten-dollar bill. If you decide

>> not to  be interviewed or not to finish the interview, then you will 
>> not receive the money.
>>
>> If you have questions or concerns about this study, you are invited 
>> to contact Gaylen Kapperman, the director of the study. He can be 
>> reached by e-mail at gkapperman at niu.edu. Alternatively, you may reach

>> him by telephone at 815-753-8453 at Northern  Illinois University.
>>
>> Please be sure to read the following statement.
>> By my responding to this invitation by sending Gaylen Kapperman an 
>> e-mail indicating my willingness to participate, I attest to the fact

>> that I have read the statement above and that I understand the  
>> ramifications of my participation in the study.
>>
>> Thank you very  much.
>> Sincerely,
>> Gaylen Kapperman
>> Professor and Coordinator
>> Visual Disabilities Program
>> Department of Teaching and Learning
>> Northern Illinois University
>> DeKalb, IL 60115
>> 815-753-8453
>> gkapperman at niu.edu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> email:
>>
>>  <mailto:liziswhatis at hotmail.com> liziswhatis at hotmail.com
>>
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>>  <http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com/>
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 14:45:03 -0500
From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] An Invitation to participate in a sex knowledge
	survey
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I didn't immediately know that this survey regarded blind youth. I just 
thought it was some random item that someone put up there for God knows 
why. Well, we all know what they say about assumptions, right? In any 
case, it is true that the blind need appropriate sex education just 
like anyone else, and the topic is especially important because society 
often thinks that disabled folks don't or can't have a desire to 
procreate or that we shouldn't  procreate. Likewise, folks with 
disabilities are often seen as aesexual beings which is far from true. 
Finally, we have access issues to talk about since science of most 
types are still largely inaccessible to us in public schools unless we 
extend considerable effort toward accessibility. All that said, I do 
encourage that the appropriate people take the survey as it's necessary 
information.

Respectfully,
Jedi

Original message:
> Guys, it's a study. They're just pilot testing their survey. If you 
> don't want to take it, don't, but don't get up in arms because some 
> researcher is trying to answer a research question you feel certain 
> you already know the answer to. that isn't how we find answers. It's 
> how we push opinions, and that is not what we want people doing when 
> they determine things about the blind. Science is beautifully self 
> correcting. If it's true that the young blind population is no 
> different in terms of level of sex education than the sighted 
> population, they'll see this in due time once people start giving them

> data. ALL populations get studied at some point or another. It would 
> only be unethical if you guys were not given the information you were 
> given, and the opportunity to refuse to participate. So either do it 
> or don't, but don't pitch a fit over it.

> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net> 
> wrote:

>> Weird. I didn't know they were specifically surveying blind people.

>> Respectfully Submitted

>> Original message:

>>  I wondered why they'd survey blind people. But I'd get more 
>> information
>>> before assuming anything and participating. It doesn't bother me too

>>> much they want to survey blind people, but I thought the age sample 
>>> was very narrow.  How will people learn our views or that we're 
>>> normal if they don't investigate us?
>>> Take it if you want or just leave it; I am too old to participate so
just
>>> deleted it.

>>  Ashley

>>  -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jedi
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 6:20 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] An Invitation to participate in a sex
knowledge
>>> survey

>>  FYI: This particular topic has nothing to do with blindness or NABS.
>>> Please let it die.

>>  Respectfully,
>>> Jedi Moerke
>>> NABS List Chair

>>  Original message:

>>>> When I got the email I sent it to the circular file and was kind of
>>>> hoping
>>>> for it to die a natural death and not be revived by endless
chatter.

>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 5:38 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] An Invitation to participate in a sex
knowledge
>>>> survey

>>  Second that.

>>  I cossion: make sure you're not supporting the weird stereotypes
people
>>>>> seem to have when taking this survey.

>>  Jorge

>>  On Feb 1, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Bridgit Pollpeter wrote:

>>  I question the reasoning behind this survey.  It is vague as to why
they
>>>>>> are conducting this survey, and why is it specific to blind
students?
>>>>>> Why not a study simply on any student?  Blind people do not
necessarily
>>>>>> view, or have, sex differently than anyone else.

>>  It comes across to me as a survey to see how the strange blind
people
>>>>>> understand and engage in sexual activity.  What is the importance
in
>>>>>> this survey?  I didn't realize the topic of sex was an issue to
blind
>>>>>> folk.  And to only offer $10-- usually surveys of this kind offer
a
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> substantial amount.

>>  I caution any of you who participate in this survey.  And why the
>>>>>> phrase, "severely blind?"  I have always hated that statement--
as
>>>>>> though being totally blind is debilitating.  Not to get all
political,
>>>>>> but reading the vague description of the survey, it seems like
they
>>>>>> want
>>>>>> to observe the blind as though we were wild monkeys.  Just my two
>>>>>> cents.

>>  Bridgit P

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 14:53:42 -0500
From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex knowledge survey
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Not having looked at the survey myself, I do think it's a good idea to 
assess what blind people know about sex. This isn't to say that we know 
squat because we're blind, or that we know more than most, but that we 
may be at a disadvantage in our aquisition of this kind of knowledge 
due to accessibility issues and social perceptions. LGBT youth have the 
same kinds of issues but in a different guise. Now whether or not the 
researchers are aware of the real reasons why a blind student may not 
have appropriate sex ed is anyone's guess. They may, like many 
researchers, be morbidly curious because they're specially surveying 
the blind population. Even if that is true, someone from our research 
camp could take whatever data is collected, expand on it, interpret it 
appropriately, and put the research to good use that it may 
appropriately serve to create the necessary education for our blind 
youth that's equal to that of the sighted.

Respectfully Submitted

Original message:

> I fail to understand why individuals are so fascinated by the sex
lives 
> of blind
> people. We have sex like everyone else in the world, so screw your 131
> questions. This is an insult to me as a blind individual and I cannot
for the
> life of me understand why it is impertinent for this to be discussed.
> Angela

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>    1. Re: GRE (Cindy Bennett)
>    2. assistive technology training (Jorge Paez)
>    3. An Invitation to Participate in a Sex Knowledge Survey
>       (Liz Bottner)
>    4. Dealing with Science Labs (Brian Wooten)
>    5. Re: Dealing with Science Labs (Jorge Paez)
>    6. BDC ? interview (Jorge Paez)
>    7. integration question (minh ha)
>    8. Re: Dealing with Science Labs (Melissa )
>    9. Fwd: items for sale (David Andrews)
>   10. Re: An Invitation to Participate in a Sex Knowledge Survey
>       (Jewel S.)

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:06:36 -0500
> From: Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE
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> You can email me off list as well. But one quick thing, braille/large
> print supplements come with your voiced GRE.

> Cindy

> On 1/30/11, William ODonnell <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Please email me off-list so we can discuss this since I took the exam
twice.
>>  In addition, I would like to find out what measures you are taking
in
>> planning for this exam.
>> Thank you.

>> --- On Sun, 1/30/11, Martha Harris <latinanewschic at gmail.com> wrote:

>>> From: Martha Harris <latinanewschic at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] GRE
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 10:04 PM
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> For anyone who has taken this exam, what accomodations did
>>> you use. I prefer taking tests on the computer, but I think
>>> it would be helpful to have the quantitative part in
>>> Braille.

>>> Thanks,
>>> Martha
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:11:58 -0500
> From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] assistive technology training
> Message-ID: <E0AD29FC-062E-4160-8E13-F262568CDD07 at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII

> Hi all:
> Just wondering,
> how would you get certified to teach assistive technology?
> Any college courses you need to take?
> Or would you need to be certefied by each company: E.G., get seperate
> certifications from Freedom Scientific to teach JAWS, and from gMicro
to teach
> Window Eyes, etc?

> Thanks,

> Jorge

> ------------------------------

> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:20:08 -0600
> From: Liz Bottner <liziswhatis at hotmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] An Invitation to Participate in a Sex Knowledge
>     Survey
> Message-ID: <SNT124-DS15CC62C41B2A90BE7F3AA7BAE20 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

> Hi all,

> I send the following on behalf of a colleague. See below.

> Liz

> We are conducting a study to develop the content of a test to
determine the
> level of knowledge that young adults who are blind or severely
visually
> disabled possess. Thus, with this e-mail message, you are being
invited to
> participate if you are between the ages of 18 and 20 and if you are
blind or
> severely visually impaired.  Please read the ramifications for
participation
> in the study which are described below. After reading the information,
if
> you wish to participate  in the study, please send Gaylen Kapperman an
> e-e-mail indicating that you are willing to participate. Include your
name,
> age, whether you are male or female, and the approximate level of
visual
> disability that you have. Include  your mailing address and your
telephone
> number. If you agree to the stipulations as described below, indicate
that
> in your e-mail.  Upon receipt of your e-mail, Professor Kapperman will
> forward your e-mail to one of his research assistants who will make
contact
> with you to set up a  date and time when you can be interviewed.  If
you are
> male, he will choose a male research assistant and if you are female,
he
> will choose a female research assistant. Upon completion of the
interview,
> we will send you a ten-dollar bill as a token of our appreciation.
Please
> read the description of the research study below.
> And please forward this e-mail to anyone whom you know who meets the
> requirements for participation and whom you think may be interested in
being
> included in the study. We are trying to find as many individuals to
> participate as we can by "going viral" with this invitation.  Thus,
you can
> help us a lot by forwarding this on to others.

> Please read the following paragraphs carefully.
> With this e-mail message, we are requesting that you participate in a
> research study. We want to develop a test over sex knowledge which
blind and
> visually impaired young adults can take. This is a rough draft. That
is, we
> are not certain whether the 131true/false statements on the test are
written
> properly. You can help us develop this test by taking it and giving us
your
> answers.  Your answers will be completely anonymous. That is, no one
except
> the researchers will know how you answered the statements. No one
outside of
> the research team will see your answers.  We will ask you to indicate
> whether you are a  male or female , your age, and your visual acuity.
We
> will record all of that information including your name and address,
but
> please be assured that once we have analyzed the results, we intend to
> delete  all of the names of the participants so no one in the future
will be
> able to tell who participated.

> The  interviewer will read each statement. Then, you are to  tell the
> interviewer whether you think it is true or false.  We do not want you
to
> guess. Thus, if you do not know, we want you to indicate that to the
> interviewer. Also, if  the interviewer  reads words that you do not
> understand, we want you to  tell the interviewer those words.  When
you are
> done, we will  send you a ten-dollar bill as a token of our
appreciation for
> your willingness to  be interviewed.

> The purpose of this study is to develop the best test we can in order
that
> we can use it in the future with other visually disabled adolescents
and
> young adults. The problem is if the test is not very good, then we
can't
> trust the results. Thus, you can help us by taking the test as a trial
run.
> We will analyze all of the answers given by all of the  participants
to help
> us figure out which statements are good and which ones should be
thrown out
> or rewritten.

> We want you to understand that you are not forced to  participate in
this
> study. If you choose not to participate, that is okay. Nothing bad
will
> happen. If you start the  interview and then decide not to finish it,
that
> is okay too. We want you to know that if you finish the interview,
then we
> will give you a ten-dollar bill. If you decide not to  be interviewed
or not
> to finish the interview, then you will not receive the money.

> If you have questions or concerns about this study, you are invited to
> contact Gaylen Kapperman, the director of the study. He can be reached
by
> e-mail at gkapperman at niu.edu. Alternatively, you may reach him by
telephone
> at 815-753-8453 at Northern  Illinois University.

> Please be sure to read the following statement.
> By my responding to this invitation by sending Gaylen Kapperman an
e-mail
> indicating my willingness to participate, I attest to the fact that I
have
> read the statement above and that I understand the  ramifications of
my
> participation in the study.

> Thank you very  much.
> Sincerely,
> Gaylen Kapperman
> Professor and Coordinator
> Visual Disabilities Program
> Department of Teaching and Learning
> Northern Illinois University
> DeKalb, IL 60115
> 815-753-8453
> gkapperman at niu.edu

> email:

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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:17:55 -0600
> From: Brian Wooten <mbrianwooten at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing with Science Labs
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

> Hello,

> I am taking Astronomy this semester and I would like to get some
> feedback, pointers and suggestions on how to deal with labs which are
> quite visual. For example, measuring with calipers and micrometers,
> interpreting spectroscopes, using Planetarium software, etc.

> I attend a small community college and they don't know how to deal
> with blind students. I am not sure what to ask of them.  Any
> suggestions?

> --
> Brian

> ------------------------------

> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:20:53 -0500
> From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing with Science Labs
> Message-ID: <08173A7E-BD9D-4A46-A110-D1250897EEBE at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII

> I don't know the specifics because I've never been in this particular
Science
> field,
> but I'd say the most important thing is to ask for a reader.

> That way, if anything comes up that you MUST know, you can always ask
them.

> On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Brian Wooten wrote:

>> Hello,

>> I am taking Astronomy this semester and I would like to get some
>> feedback, pointers and suggestions on how to deal with labs which are
>> quite visual. For example, measuring with calipers and micrometers,
>> interpreting spectroscopes, using Planetarium software, etc.

>> I attend a small community college and they don't know how to deal
>> with blind students. I am not sure what to ask of them.  Any
>> suggestions?

>> --
>> Brian

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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:45:17 -0500
> From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] BDC ? interview
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> Hi all:
> Just wondering if any of you participated in the Blind Driver
Challenge Rally
> and launch last weekend.

> If so, would you be willing to do an interview this Saturday for my
technology
> show?

> Please let me know.

> If you'd rather not do it in audio,
> we can also do it via email and I'll post the transcripts up on our
blog.

> Jorge

> ------------------------------

> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:47:59 -0500
> From: minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com>
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Cc: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] integration question
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

> Hii,

> I?m taking AP Calculus and we?re doing the Rectangle Approximation
> Method and Trapezoidal Rule for integration at the moment. I was
> wondering if you guys have any suggestions or know of any programs to
> attack this problem. My classmates have graphing calculators and my
> teachers gave them a couple of programs to put in to their calculators
> so they could figure out problems without drawing the rectangles and
> trapezoids out by hand. It?s also a lot easier to figure out problems
> that require really small intervals. I?m currently drawing rectangles
> out on raised graph paper, but this takes an excessive amount of time
> and is not really efficient. I have the Audio Graphing Calculator, but
> I don?t think it supports the RAM. However, I don?t know all of AGC?s
> capabilities, so maybe it does?
> Also, we are doing sigma notation which looks extremely weird in
> Braille. Is there anyway to write it correctly in Microsoft word using
> Greek letters? Could the Braille note have a way to write this
> notation as well?

> Thanks so much for your help

> Minh

> --
> Douglas Adams - "You live and learn. At any rate, you live."

> ------------------------------

> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:05:16 -0600
> From: "Melissa " <jamandgab at izoom.net>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing with Science Labs
> Message-ID: <002201cbc19b$55c86840$015938c0$@izoom.net>
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> Good evening.  I can help, a little anyway.  I am a junior at the U of
> Minnesota, majoring in nutrition and dietary science.  I have taken at
least
> 6 chemistry courses, 2 biology courses, including micro, anatomy and
> physiology which includes labs, and am currently in biochemistry.
Until
> biochem, all of my labs were at a local community college, at which I
was
> the first blind person, and I graduated with honors.  So, that being
said,
> the first thing to do is ask them to find you a laboratory assistant
who has
> previously taken the course.  They can use work study to pay this
person.
> With this assistant, you will need to give them explicit instructions
as to
> what you want them to do, and they will perform the task for you.  For
> example, if you want them to calibrate the spectrometer to a specific
> setting, you instruct the to do so.  Then you would instruct them to
prepare
> the sample just so, then read you the results, which you are
responsible for
> recording and interpreting.  Having someone who has previously taken
the
> course as your lab assistant will help because they will know what
> information is pertinent and what is not.
> I would also suggest forming a close and snuggly relationship with
your
> professor and lab technician, who can be very valuable assets.
> I am more than happy to be of any assistance that I can, I am a
science
> nerd.  Feel free to write me off list if you have further questions.
Please
> though, take full advantage of this opportunity, I love it when the
visually
> impaired take courses that raise other's eyebrows.
> Warmly,
> Melissa
> Melissa Riley
> jamandgab at izoom.net
> riley365 at umn.edu

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
> Of Jorge Paez
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 2:21 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing with Science Labs

> I don't know the specifics because I've never been in this particular
> Science field, but I'd say the most important thing is to ask for a
reader.

> That way, if anything comes up that you MUST know, you can always ask
them.

> On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Brian Wooten wrote:

>> Hello,

>> I am taking Astronomy this semester and I would like to get some
>> feedback, pointers and suggestions on how to deal with labs which are
>> quite visual. For example, measuring with calipers and micrometers,
>> interpreting spectroscopes, using Planetarium software, etc.

>> I attend a small community college and they don't know how to deal
>> with blind students. I am not sure what to ask of them.  Any
>> suggestions?

>> --
>> Brian

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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 20:08:15 -0600
> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org,
> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: items for sale
> Message-ID: <auto-000188878903 at mailfront2.g2host.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed

>> I have the following items for sale:

>>    * Braille Sense Plus B32, in good condition

>> Comes with carrying case and charger

>> Asking $4,000 or best offer
>>    * BrailleNote MPower with 32 cell display, in good condition,
>> running Keysoft 7.2Comes with carrying case and charger

>> Asking $2,000 or best offer
>>    * BrailleNote QT 32

>> Several cells of display need some repairs

>> Running Keysoft 5.1

>> Asking $100

>> To make an offer, or for any questions, please contact Steve Decker
at:

>> <mailto:stephendecker at comcast.net>stephendecker at comcast.net

>> Phone:  612-655-1372

> ------------------------------

> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 09:13:41 -0500
> From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] An Invitation to Participate in a Sex Knowledge
>     Survey
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

> Wow, the age range is very restrictive. Do they think that the limited
> age range wwill promote a more valid survey? I have to question that.
> They should include younger and older students to get an idea of when
> students gain sexual knowledge. A survey of just 18-20 year-olds will
> not show when students gain that sexual knowledge....

> On 1/31/11, Liz Bottner <liziswhatis at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,

>> I send the following on behalf of a colleague. See below.

>> Liz

>> We are conducting a study to develop the content of a test to
determine the
>> level of knowledge that young adults who are blind or severely
visually
>> disabled possess. Thus, with this e-mail message, you are being
invited to
>> participate if you are between the ages of 18 and 20 and if you are
blind or
>> severely visually impaired.  Please read the ramifications for
participation
>> in the study which are described below. After reading the
information, if
>> you wish to participate  in the study, please send Gaylen Kapperman
an
>> e-e-mail indicating that you are willing to participate. Include your
name,
>> age, whether you are male or female, and the approximate level of
visual
>> disability that you have. Include  your mailing address and your
telephone
>> number. If you agree to the stipulations as described below, indicate
that
>> in your e-mail.  Upon receipt of your e-mail, Professor Kapperman
will
>> forward your e-mail to one of his research assistants who will make
contact
>> with you to set up a  date and time when you can be interviewed.  If
you are
>> male, he will choose a male research assistant and if you are female,
he
>> will choose a female research assistant. Upon completion of the
interview,
>> we will send you a ten-dollar bill as a token of our appreciation.
Please
>> read the description of the research study below.
>> And please forward this e-mail to anyone whom you know who meets the
>> requirements for participation and whom you think may be interested
in being
>> included in the study. We are trying to find as many individuals to
>> participate as we can by "going viral" with this invitation.  Thus,
you can
>> help us a lot by forwarding this on to others.

>> Please read the following paragraphs carefully.
>> With this e-mail message, we are requesting that you participate in a
>> research study. We want to develop a test over sex knowledge which
blind and
>> visually impaired young adults can take. This is a rough draft. That
is, we
>> are not certain whether the 131true/false statements on the test are
written
>> properly. You can help us develop this test by taking it and giving
us your
>> answers.  Your answers will be completely anonymous. That is, no one
except
>> the researchers will know how you answered the statements. No one
outside of
>> the research team will see your answers.  We will ask you to indicate
>> whether you are a  male or female , your age, and your visual acuity.
We
>> will record all of that information including your name and address,
but
>> please be assured that once we have analyzed the results, we intend
to
>> delete  all of the names of the participants so no one in the future
will be
>> able to tell who participated.

>> The  interviewer will read each statement. Then, you are to  tell the
>> interviewer whether you think it is true or false.  We do not want
you to
>> guess. Thus, if you do not know, we want you to indicate that to the
>> interviewer. Also, if  the interviewer  reads words that you do not
>> understand, we want you to  tell the interviewer those words.  When
you are
>> done, we will  send you a ten-dollar bill as a token of our
appreciation for
>> your willingness to  be interviewed.

>> The purpose of this study is to develop the best test we can in order
that
>> we can use it in the future with other visually disabled adolescents
and
>> young adults. The problem is if the test is not very good, then we
can't
>> trust the results. Thus, you can help us by taking the test as a
trial run.
>> We will analyze all of the answers given by all of the  participants
to help
>> us figure out which statements are good and which ones should be
thrown out
>> or rewritten.

>> We want you to understand that you are not forced to  participate in
this
>> study. If you choose not to participate, that is okay. Nothing bad
will
>> happen. If you start the  interview and then decide not to finish it,
that
>> is okay too. We want you to know that if you finish the interview,
then we
>> will give you a ten-dollar bill. If you decide not to  be interviewed
or not
>> to finish the interview, then you will not receive the money.

>> If you have questions or concerns about this study, you are invited
to
>> contact Gaylen Kapperman, the director of the study. He can be
reached by
>> e-mail at gkapperman at niu.edu. Alternatively, you may reach him by
telephone
>> at 815-753-8453 at Northern  Illinois University.

>> Please be sure to read the following statement.
>> By my responding to this invitation by sending Gaylen Kapperman an
e-mail
>> indicating my willingness to participate, I attest to the fact that I
have
>> read the statement above and that I understand the  ramifications of
my
>> participation in the study.

>> Thank you very  much.
>> Sincerely,
>> Gaylen Kapperman
>> Professor and Coordinator
>> Visual Disabilities Program
>> Department of Teaching and Learning
>> Northern Illinois University
>> DeKalb, IL 60115
>> 815-753-8453
>> gkapperman at niu.edu

>> email:

>>  <mailto:liziswhatis at hotmail.com> liziswhatis at hotmail.com

>> Visit my LiveJournal:

>>  <http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com/>
>> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com

>> Follow me on Twitter:

>> http://twitter.com/lizbot

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> --
> ~Jewel
> Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind!
> Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 16:17:10 -0500
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex knowledge survey
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Then don't participate. It's that simple. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 2, 2011, at 1:20 PM, angela dehart <drummer_grl_91 at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> 
> I fail to understand why individuals are so fascinated by the sex
lives of blind 
> people. We have sex like everyone else in the world, so screw your 131

> questions. This is an insult to me as a blind individual and I cannot
for the 
> life of me understand why it is impertinent for this to be discussed.
> Angela 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: "nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org>
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> Today's Topics:
> 
>   1. Re: GRE (Cindy Bennett)
>   2. assistive technology training (Jorge Paez)
>   3. An Invitation to Participate in a Sex Knowledge Survey
>      (Liz Bottner)
>   4. Dealing with Science Labs (Brian Wooten)
>   5. Re: Dealing with Science Labs (Jorge Paez)
>   6. BDC ? interview (Jorge Paez)
>   7. integration question (minh ha)
>   8. Re: Dealing with Science Labs (Melissa )
>   9. Fwd: items for sale (David Andrews)
>  10. Re: An Invitation to Participate in a Sex Knowledge Survey
>      (Jewel S.)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:06:36 -0500
> From: Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE
> Message-ID:
>    <AANLkTimEg8XR2AsupoPDD+F1uHCEznaSG=uvOFHrjPZ=@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> You can email me off list as well. But one quick thing, braille/large
> print supplements come with your voiced GRE.
> 
> Cindy
> 
> On 1/30/11, William ODonnell <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Please email me off-list so we can discuss this since I took the exam
twice.
>> In addition, I would like to find out what measures you are taking in
>> planning for this exam.
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> 
>> --- On Sun, 1/30/11, Martha Harris <latinanewschic at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> From: Martha Harris <latinanewschic at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] GRE
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 10:04 PM
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> For anyone who has taken this exam, what accomodations did
>>> you use. I prefer taking tests on the computer, but I think
>>> it would be helpful to have the quantitative part in
>>> Braille.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Martha
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Cindy Bennett
> uNC Wilmington Psychology major
> 
> clb5590 at gmail.com
> 828.989.5383
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:11:58 -0500
> From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] assistive technology training
> Message-ID: <E0AD29FC-062E-4160-8E13-F262568CDD07 at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
> 
> Hi all:
> Just wondering,
> how would you get certified to teach assistive technology?
> Any college courses you need to take?
> Or would you need to be certefied by each company: E.G., get seperate 
> certifications from Freedom Scientific to teach JAWS, and from gMicro
to teach 
> Window Eyes, etc?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jorge
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:20:08 -0600
> From: Liz Bottner <liziswhatis at hotmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] An Invitation to Participate in a Sex Knowledge
>    Survey
> Message-ID: <SNT124-DS15CC62C41B2A90BE7F3AA7BAE20 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> 
> 
> I send the following on behalf of a colleague. See below.
> 
> 
> 
> Liz
> 
> 
> We are conducting a study to develop the content of a test to
determine the
> level of knowledge that young adults who are blind or severely
visually
> disabled possess. Thus, with this e-mail message, you are being
invited to
> participate if you are between the ages of 18 and 20 and if you are
blind or
> severely visually impaired.  Please read the ramifications for
participation
> in the study which are described below. After reading the information,
if
> you wish to participate  in the study, please send Gaylen Kapperman an
> e-e-mail indicating that you are willing to participate. Include your
name,
> age, whether you are male or female, and the approximate level of
visual
> disability that you have. Include  your mailing address and your
telephone
> number. If you agree to the stipulations as described below, indicate
that
> in your e-mail.  Upon receipt of your e-mail, Professor Kapperman will
> forward your e-mail to one of his research assistants who will make
contact
> with you to set up a  date and time when you can be interviewed.  If
you are
> male, he will choose a male research assistant and if you are female,
he
> will choose a female research assistant. Upon completion of the
interview,
> we will send you a ten-dollar bill as a token of our appreciation.
Please
> read the description of the research study below. 
> And please forward this e-mail to anyone whom you know who meets the
> requirements for participation and whom you think may be interested in
being
> included in the study. We are trying to find as many individuals to
> participate as we can by "going viral" with this invitation.  Thus,
you can
> help us a lot by forwarding this on to others. 
> 
> Please read the following paragraphs carefully. 
> With this e-mail message, we are requesting that you participate in a
> research study. We want to develop a test over sex knowledge which
blind and
> visually impaired young adults can take. This is a rough draft. That
is, we
> are not certain whether the 131true/false statements on the test are
written
> properly. You can help us develop this test by taking it and giving us
your
> answers.  Your answers will be completely anonymous. That is, no one
except
> the researchers will know how you answered the statements. No one
outside of
> the research team will see your answers.  We will ask you to indicate
> whether you are a  male or female , your age, and your visual acuity.
We
> will record all of that information including your name and address,
but
> please be assured that once we have analyzed the results, we intend to
> delete  all of the names of the participants so no one in the future
will be
> able to tell who participated. 
> 
> The  interviewer will read each statement. Then, you are to  tell the
> interviewer whether you think it is true or false.  We do not want you
to
> guess. Thus, if you do not know, we want you to indicate that to the
> interviewer. Also, if  the interviewer  reads words that you do not
> understand, we want you to  tell the interviewer those words.  When
you are
> done, we will  send you a ten-dollar bill as a token of our
appreciation for
> your willingness to  be interviewed. 
> 
> The purpose of this study is to develop the best test we can in order
that
> we can use it in the future with other visually disabled adolescents
and
> young adults. The problem is if the test is not very good, then we
can't
> trust the results. Thus, you can help us by taking the test as a trial
run.
> We will analyze all of the answers given by all of the  participants
to help
> us figure out which statements are good and which ones should be
thrown out
> or rewritten. 
> 
> We want you to understand that you are not forced to  participate in
this
> study. If you choose not to participate, that is okay. Nothing bad
will
> happen. If you start the  interview and then decide not to finish it,
that
> is okay too. We want you to know that if you finish the interview,
then we
> will give you a ten-dollar bill. If you decide not to  be interviewed
or not
> to finish the interview, then you will not receive the money.
> 
> If you have questions or concerns about this study, you are invited to
> contact Gaylen Kapperman, the director of the study. He can be reached
by
> e-mail at gkapperman at niu.edu. Alternatively, you may reach him by
telephone
> at 815-753-8453 at Northern  Illinois University. 
> 
> Please be sure to read the following statement. 
> By my responding to this invitation by sending Gaylen Kapperman an
e-mail
> indicating my willingness to participate, I attest to the fact that I
have
> read the statement above and that I understand the  ramifications of
my
> participation in the study.  
> 
> Thank you very  much.
> Sincerely,
> Gaylen Kapperman
> Professor and Coordinator
> Visual Disabilities Program
> Department of Teaching and Learning
> Northern Illinois University
> DeKalb, IL 60115
> 815-753-8453
> gkapperman at niu.edu
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> email: 
> 
> <mailto:liziswhatis at hotmail.com> liziswhatis at hotmail.com 
> 
> Visit my LiveJournal: 
> 
> <http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com/>
> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com 
> 
> Follow me on Twitter: 
> 
> http://twitter.com/lizbot 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:17:55 -0600
> From: Brian Wooten <mbrianwooten at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing with Science Labs
> Message-ID:
>    <AANLkTi=PiOpwRjvUE0HdiOLZZqA5o_RiWNCkeq2gkhKb at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am taking Astronomy this semester and I would like to get some
> feedback, pointers and suggestions on how to deal with labs which are
> quite visual. For example, measuring with calipers and micrometers,
> interpreting spectroscopes, using Planetarium software, etc.
> 
> I attend a small community college and they don't know how to deal
> with blind students. I am not sure what to ask of them.  Any
> suggestions?
> 
> -- 
> Brian
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:20:53 -0500
> From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing with Science Labs
> Message-ID: <08173A7E-BD9D-4A46-A110-D1250897EEBE at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
> 
> I don't know the specifics because I've never been in this particular
Science 
> field,
> but I'd say the most important thing is to ask for a reader.
> 
> That way, if anything comes up that you MUST know, you can always ask
them.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Brian Wooten wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I am taking Astronomy this semester and I would like to get some
>> feedback, pointers and suggestions on how to deal with labs which are
>> quite visual. For example, measuring with calipers and micrometers,
>> interpreting spectroscopes, using Planetarium software, etc.
>> 
>> I attend a small community college and they don't know how to deal
>> with blind students. I am not sure what to ask of them.  Any
>> suggestions?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Brian
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
>>
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.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:45:17 -0500
> From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] BDC ? interview
> Message-ID: <575A050E-0569-4393-A9A8-BFB7F2650D76 at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII
> 
> Hi all:
> Just wondering if any of you participated in the Blind Driver
Challenge Rally 
> and launch last weekend.
> 
> If so, would you be willing to do an interview this Saturday for my
technology 
> show?
> 
> 
> Please let me know.
> 
> 
> If you'd rather not do it in audio,
> we can also do it via email and I'll post the transcripts up on our
blog.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jorge
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:47:59 -0500
> From: minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com>
> To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
> Cc: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] integration question
> Message-ID:
>    <AANLkTikKwBSgWFg3LFQZTUZGiGAS94sqJ8jCWEyBw0zY at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> 
> Hii,
> 
> I?m taking AP Calculus and we?re doing the Rectangle Approximation
> Method and Trapezoidal Rule for integration at the moment. I was
> wondering if you guys have any suggestions or know of any programs to
> attack this problem. My classmates have graphing calculators and my
> teachers gave them a couple of programs to put in to their calculators
> so they could figure out problems without drawing the rectangles and
> trapezoids out by hand. It?s also a lot easier to figure out problems
> that require really small intervals. I?m currently drawing rectangles
> out on raised graph paper, but this takes an excessive amount of time
> and is not really efficient. I have the Audio Graphing Calculator, but
> I don?t think it supports the RAM. However, I don?t know all of AGC?s
> capabilities, so maybe it does?
> Also, we are doing sigma notation which looks extremely weird in
> Braille. Is there anyway to write it correctly in Microsoft word using
> Greek letters? Could the Braille note have a way to write this
> notation as well?
> 
> Thanks so much for your help
> 
> Minh
> 
> 
> -- 
> Douglas Adams - "You live and learn. At any rate, you live."
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:05:16 -0600
> From: "Melissa " <jamandgab at izoom.net>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing with Science Labs
> Message-ID: <002201cbc19b$55c86840$015938c0$@izoom.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Good evening.  I can help, a little anyway.  I am a junior at the U of
> Minnesota, majoring in nutrition and dietary science.  I have taken at
least
> 6 chemistry courses, 2 biology courses, including micro, anatomy and
> physiology which includes labs, and am currently in biochemistry.
Until
> biochem, all of my labs were at a local community college, at which I
was
> the first blind person, and I graduated with honors.  So, that being
said,
> the first thing to do is ask them to find you a laboratory assistant
who has
> previously taken the course.  They can use work study to pay this
person.
> With this assistant, you will need to give them explicit instructions
as to
> what you want them to do, and they will perform the task for you.  For
> example, if you want them to calibrate the spectrometer to a specific
> setting, you instruct the to do so.  Then you would instruct them to
prepare
> the sample just so, then read you the results, which you are
responsible for
> recording and interpreting.  Having someone who has previously taken
the
> course as your lab assistant will help because they will know what
> information is pertinent and what is not.
> I would also suggest forming a close and snuggly relationship with
your
> professor and lab technician, who can be very valuable assets.
> I am more than happy to be of any assistance that I can, I am a
science
> nerd.  Feel free to write me off list if you have further questions.
Please
> though, take full advantage of this opportunity, I love it when the
visually
> impaired take courses that raise other's eyebrows.
> Warmly,
> Melissa
> Melissa Riley
> jamandgab at izoom.net
> riley365 at umn.edu
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf
> Of Jorge Paez
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 2:21 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing with Science Labs
> 
> I don't know the specifics because I've never been in this particular
> Science field, but I'd say the most important thing is to ask for a
reader.
> 
> That way, if anything comes up that you MUST know, you can always ask
them.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Brian Wooten wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I am taking Astronomy this semester and I would like to get some 
>> feedback, pointers and suggestions on how to deal with labs which are

>> quite visual. For example, measuring with calipers and micrometers, 
>> interpreting spectroscopes, using Planetarium software, etc.
>> 
>> I attend a small community college and they don't know how to deal 
>> with blind students. I am not sure what to ask of them.  Any 
>> suggestions?
>> 
>> --
>> Brian
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l:
>>
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>> ac.com
> 
> 
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> t
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 20:08:15 -0600
> From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
> To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org,
> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: items for sale
> Message-ID: <auto-000188878903 at mailfront2.g2host.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have the following items for sale:
>> 
>> 
>>   * Braille Sense Plus B32, in good condition
>> 
>> Comes with carrying case and charger
>> 
>> Asking $4,000 or best offer
>>   * BrailleNote MPower with 32 cell display, in good condition, 
>> running Keysoft 7.2Comes with carrying case and charger
>> 
>> Asking $2,000 or best offer
>>   * BrailleNote QT 32
>> 
>> Several cells of display need some repairs
>> 
>> Running Keysoft 5.1
>> 
>> Asking $100
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> To make an offer, or for any questions, please contact Steve Decker
at:
>> 
>> <mailto:stephendecker at comcast.net>stephendecker at comcast.net
>> 
>> Phone:  612-655-1372
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 09:13:41 -0500
> From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] An Invitation to Participate in a Sex Knowledge
>    Survey
> Message-ID:
>    <AANLkTik5xygk8vjgsENib1v_bzsL5zM0120soRvZ7EaG at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Wow, the age range is very restrictive. Do they think that the limited
> age range wwill promote a more valid survey? I have to question that.
> They should include younger and older students to get an idea of when
> students gain sexual knowledge. A survey of just 18-20 year-olds will
> not show when students gain that sexual knowledge....
> 
> On 1/31/11, Liz Bottner <liziswhatis at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I send the following on behalf of a colleague. See below.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Liz
>> 
>> 
>> We are conducting a study to develop the content of a test to
determine the
>> level of knowledge that young adults who are blind or severely
visually
>> disabled possess. Thus, with this e-mail message, you are being
invited to
>> participate if you are between the ages of 18 and 20 and if you are
blind or
>> severely visually impaired.  Please read the ramifications for
participation
>> in the study which are described below. After reading the
information, if
>> you wish to participate  in the study, please send Gaylen Kapperman
an
>> e-e-mail indicating that you are willing to participate. Include your
name,
>> age, whether you are male or female, and the approximate level of
visual
>> disability that you have. Include  your mailing address and your
telephone
>> number. If you agree to the stipulations as described below, indicate
that
>> in your e-mail.  Upon receipt of your e-mail, Professor Kapperman
will
>> forward your e-mail to one of his research assistants who will make
contact
>> with you to set up a  date and time when you can be interviewed.  If
you are
>> male, he will choose a male research assistant and if you are female,
he
>> will choose a female research assistant. Upon completion of the
interview,
>> we will send you a ten-dollar bill as a token of our appreciation.
Please
>> read the description of the research study below.
>> And please forward this e-mail to anyone whom you know who meets the
>> requirements for participation and whom you think may be interested
in being
>> included in the study. We are trying to find as many individuals to
>> participate as we can by "going viral" with this invitation.  Thus,
you can
>> help us a lot by forwarding this on to others.
>> 
>> Please read the following paragraphs carefully.
>> With this e-mail message, we are requesting that you participate in a
>> research study. We want to develop a test over sex knowledge which
blind and
>> visually impaired young adults can take. This is a rough draft. That
is, we
>> are not certain whether the 131true/false statements on the test are
written
>> properly. You can help us develop this test by taking it and giving
us your
>> answers.  Your answers will be completely anonymous. That is, no one
except
>> the researchers will know how you answered the statements. No one
outside of
>> the research team will see your answers.  We will ask you to indicate
>> whether you are a  male or female , your age, and your visual acuity.
We
>> will record all of that information including your name and address,
but
>> please be assured that once we have analyzed the results, we intend
to
>> delete  all of the names of the participants so no one in the future
will be
>> able to tell who participated.
>> 
>> The  interviewer will read each statement. Then, you are to  tell the
>> interviewer whether you think it is true or false.  We do not want
you to
>> guess. Thus, if you do not know, we want you to indicate that to the
>> interviewer. Also, if  the interviewer  reads words that you do not
>> understand, we want you to  tell the interviewer those words.  When
you are
>> done, we will  send you a ten-dollar bill as a token of our
appreciation for
>> your willingness to  be interviewed.
>> 
>> The purpose of this study is to develop the best test we can in order
that
>> we can use it in the future with other visually disabled adolescents
and
>> young adults. The problem is if the test is not very good, then we
can't
>> trust the results. Thus, you can help us by taking the test as a
trial run.
>> We will analyze all of the answers given by all of the  participants
to help
>> us figure out which statements are good and which ones should be
thrown out
>> or rewritten.
>> 
>> We want you to understand that you are not forced to  participate in
this
>> study. If you choose not to participate, that is okay. Nothing bad
will
>> happen. If you start the  interview and then decide not to finish it,
that
>> is okay too. We want you to know that if you finish the interview,
then we
>> will give you a ten-dollar bill. If you decide not to  be interviewed
or not
>> to finish the interview, then you will not receive the money.
>> 
>> If you have questions or concerns about this study, you are invited
to
>> contact Gaylen Kapperman, the director of the study. He can be
reached by
>> e-mail at gkapperman at niu.edu. Alternatively, you may reach him by
telephone
>> at 815-753-8453 at Northern  Illinois University.
>> 
>> Please be sure to read the following statement.
>> By my responding to this invitation by sending Gaylen Kapperman an
e-mail
>> indicating my willingness to participate, I attest to the fact that I
have
>> read the statement above and that I understand the  ramifications of
my
>> participation in the study.
>> 
>> Thank you very  much.
>> Sincerely,
>> Gaylen Kapperman
>> Professor and Coordinator
>> Visual Disabilities Program
>> Department of Teaching and Learning
>> Northern Illinois University
>> DeKalb, IL 60115
>> 815-753-8453
>> gkapperman at niu.edu
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> email:
>> 
>> <mailto:liziswhatis at hotmail.com> liziswhatis at hotmail.com
>> 
>> Visit my LiveJournal:
>> 
>> <http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com/>
>> http://unsilenceddream.livejournal.com
>> 
>> Follow me on Twitter:
>> 
>> http://twitter.com/lizbot
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
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gmail.com
>> m
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> ~Jewel
> Check out my blog about accessibility for the blind!
> Treasure Chest for the Blind: http://blindtreasurechest.blogspot.com
> 
> 
> 
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 16:14:58 -0600
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] Invittation to participate in sex study
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP116B4DE36E7F5C836717C55C4E40 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I, respectively, fail to see how this is not an issue appropriate for
NABS.  It was posted on the NABS list, and it is issued to students for
consideration.

NABS, being a Federation group and email list, has every right to
discuss issues, causes and concerns that relate to blindness.  I feel
placing the notice to begin with was not exactly appropriate for NABS,
but I do not think anyone should be concerned about expressing their
ideas and opinions.

If we follow the argument that this dialogue is wrong for this list,
then I think we should no longer post emails about items for sale, or
information that does not directly relate to student life.

Topics such as this can develop a dialogue that can, and will, lead to a
better understanding of our views on blindness-- both on a personal
level and a collective level.

Respectively,
Bridgit Pollpeter

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 16:40:23 -0600
From: community service Outreach <nfbcsoutreach at gmail.com>
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Community service call February 13
Message-ID:
	<AANLkTi=DUY8_TQciF4rRNy=7E8kSoD4ehn7smH=phPj2 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hi everyone.

It's time for another community service conference call!  This time we
will be hearing from Conchita Hernandez, who was a 2010 scholarship
winner.  The information for calling in is below.

when: February 13, 7 P.M. ET
phone number: (218) 339-3600
passcode 808277.

Any questions?  Just email this address.

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:45:15 -0800
From: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Invittation to participate in sex study
Message-ID:
	<AANLkTim08aPg8=S71pPqGBYdvwXBCsES++_J=Qf1nJ9C at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

I'm sure  that  the study was blindness related, fine for the nabs
list and  that  it was just a matter that  people needed time to  take
in all of the information that flooded the list on the topic as of
late.
 Great points were brought up, discussions had,  and I'm sure that
with the spreading of the word,  youth will either take part in, or
not take part in the study as they see fit.
  Much appreciation for the thoughts and contributions!
 Regards,
  Darian Smith
 Board member: National Association of Blind Students

On 2/2/11, Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I, respectively, fail to see how this is not an issue appropriate for
> NABS.  It was posted on the NABS list, and it is issued to students
for
> consideration.
>
> NABS, being a Federation group and email list, has every right to
> discuss issues, causes and concerns that relate to blindness.  I feel
> placing the notice to begin with was not exactly appropriate for NABS,
> but I do not think anyone should be concerned about expressing their
> ideas and opinions.
>
> If we follow the argument that this dialogue is wrong for this list,
> then I think we should no longer post emails about items for sale, or
> information that does not directly relate to student life.
>
> Topics such as this can develop a dialogue that can, and will, lead to
a
> better understanding of our views on blindness-- both on a personal
> level and a collective level.
>
> Respectively,
> Bridgit Pollpeter
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
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l.com
>

-- 
Darian Smith
Skype: The_Blind_Truth
Windows Live: Lightningrod2010 at live.com
Follow me on twitter: http://twitter.com/goldengateace

"You could be shown the road, given the vehicle, even handed the key.
But only you can have the drive."

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 20:22:05 -0500
From: minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] integration question
Message-ID:
	<AANLkTi=5m5UgFNOY0VNOfRAhBgYfLtp7n5h8H4LvUeA1 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Joe,
We are studying the different formulas next in our course, and I know
the formulas will make things a lot easier to figure out integrals. I
just thought for the current problem of drawing rectangles under the
curve that there might be a way for me to do it more efficiently. But
I guess this is a part of math that I just have to stick it out, no
matter how painful. :).
As for LaTeX, I heard about it in passing from several people, but I
have no idea what it really is and what it can do. I think I'll try
and google it and perhaps you can point me in the right direction to
find more information about it.

Thanks a bunches for your help
Minh

On 2/2/11, Joseph C. Lininger <jbahm at pcdesk.net> wrote:
> Min,
> To answer your first question, there are formulas which you can use to
> evaluate these integrals if you are doing so over a definite interval.
I
> don't remember them off the top of my head, but I know there are five
of
> them you are likely to encounter. They are: left rectangle, mid
> rectangle, right rectangle, Trapezoidal, and simptson's rule. Each has
a
> formula you can use, as well as an equation for determining the amount
> of error. Simpson's rule is the most accurate, but it requires
> computation of a fourth derivative in order to determine the error so
it
> isn't always practical. Anyway, if you know those formulas, you can
use
> the method. The left, mid, and right rectangle are easy because it's
the
> Remon sum equation, with slight variations for each of the three. The
> other two, Trapezoidal and simpson's rule, you'll just have to
memorize
> those if you choose to use them. You'll also have to know the equation
> for error in approximation for each method.
>
> To answer your second question, if you choose to go on in mathematics,
> and you are going to use a computer to read and write your math, I
> suggest you take up the LaTeX type setting system. This will do two
> things for you. First, it will allow you to generate accessible math
> which you can both read and work on. Second, you can use LaTeX source
to
> generate something which a teacher, professor, or coleague will find
> readable and which uses the symbols which are used in the field. The
> trouble with using word is that if you try to generate things so they
> look the same as what a sighted person would expect to see, more than
> likely your screen reader will not read it correctly for you any more.
>
> Let me know if I can be of further assistance.
> Joe
>
>

-- 
Douglas Adams - "You live and learn. At any rate, you live."

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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 20:26:12 -0600
From: "H. Field" <missheather at comcast.net>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] IRTI NewsClips February 2011 Volume 11 Number 1
Message-ID: <914BD4FEB6294707859A7A723BCD5B10 at heathersony>

FYI:
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "IRTI" <info at irti.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 6:02 PM

IRTI NewsClips February 2011 Volume 11 Number 1

Greetings!

IRTI is pleased to announce the availability of an exciting new 
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 22:00:49 -0500
From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net>
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Invittation to participate in sex study
Message-ID:

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed"

Gotta keep reading those threads, bridget. I said later on that I had 
no idea the sex survey had blind folks as its targeted subject pool. 
That was my mistake and I indicated as such. However, if it didn't have 
blind people as its target population, the topic wouldn't be 
appropriate for the forum. That's just my opinion.

Respectfully,
Jedi

Original message:
> I, respectively, fail to see how this is not an issue appropriate for
> NABS.  It was posted on the NABS list, and it is issued to students
for
> consideration.

> NABS, being a Federation group and email list, has every right to
> discuss issues, causes and concerns that relate to blindness.  I feel
> placing the notice to begin with was not exactly appropriate for NABS,
> but I do not think anyone should be concerned about expressing their
> ideas and opinions.

> If we follow the argument that this dialogue is wrong for this list,
> then I think we should no longer post emails about items for sale, or
> information that does not directly relate to student life.

> Topics such as this can develop a dialogue that can, and will, lead to
a
> better understanding of our views on blindness-- both on a personal
> level and a collective level.

> Respectively,
> Bridgit Pollpeter

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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 21:22:40 -0700
From: "Joseph C. Lininger" <jbahm at pcdesk.net>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Other sites for downloading books?
Message-ID: <4D4A2D90.4070707 at pcdesk.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hello Christina,
Well, I think that the specific accessibility and audio book sites have
received a good treatment in this thread already. I didn't even know
about some of those sites. If you want electronic fiction, there are
literally tons of places you can look. I'll leave the obvious ones like
Project Gutenberg out since I assume you know about them, or can easily
find them if you want.

To get you started, Baen Publishing makes many of their titles available
for free. Look here:

http://www.baen.com

They also have pay for titles at:

http://www.webscription.net

>From what I understand, those are even in accessible formats. I haven't
bought any, so I can't confirm that.
Joe

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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 21:29:20 -0700
From: "Joseph C. Lininger" <jbahm at pcdesk.net>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] integration question
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Minh,
I guess I misunderstood. I didn't process the fact you actually have to
draw the stuff. I thought you were just trying to integrate using those
methods.

As far as LaTeX goes, this wikibook will get you started.

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX

There are literally hundreds of resources if it's something you decide
you're interested in. That book is a good primer.
Joe

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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 09:18:43 -0700
From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
	list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Invittation to participate in sex study
Message-ID: <4d4ad584.5145e50a.3972.2a77 at mx.google.com>
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I agree with you, Bridgit.  We need to discuss sex.  That's 
important because in the book, Enabled Romance, people with 
disabilities are considered "neutered."  They are considered 
almost the same as we consider our pet puppies and kittens who 
get spayed and neutered.  This is wrong.  Also, refer to a 
previous thought provoker on the lists that spoke of a man 
wanting to fix his daughter so she wouldn't have kids.  I 
personally have read a book about that sort of thing, and it 
pains me to hear through the book the cry of voices saying, "It 
hurts to have sex with my husband because my whole body was 
ripped to shreds by the Nazis."  Etc. etc.  That was what one 
deaf woman said.  My current boyfriend and I understand that 
through both the enlightening guie to romance and a good 
understanding of what lovemking really is, we can do it.  So I 
think sex is a welcome topic especially with disabled folks.
Beth
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Bridgit Pollpeter <bpollpeter at hotmail.com
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 16:14:58 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Invittation to participate in sex study

I, respectively, fail to see how this is not an issue appropriate 
for
NABS.  It was posted on the NABS list, and it is issued to 
students for
consideration.

NABS, being a Federation group and email list, has every right to
discuss issues, causes and concerns that relate to blindness.  I 
feel
placing the notice to begin with was not exactly appropriate for 
NABS,
but I do not think anyone should be concerned about expressing 
their
ideas and opinions.

If we follow the argument that this dialogue is wrong for this 
list,
then I think we should no longer post emails about items for 
sale, or
information that does not directly relate to student life.

Topics such as this can develop a dialogue that can, and will, 
lead to a
better understanding of our views on blindness-- both on a 
personal
level and a collective level.

Respectively,
Bridgit Pollpeter

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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 09:18:36 -0700
From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
	list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,	nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex knowledge survey
Message-ID: <4d4ad581.5145e50a.3972.2a76 at mx.google.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed

I am lucky that I received little if any sex ed in school, in a 
book, from my dad.  I found out about sex, surprisingly, from men 
who explained it.  I am aware that blind people can and will live 
and love with a disability.  There's a good book, and I'm sure 
some of you know this, "Enabling Romance."  Great book.
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Jedi <loneblindjedi at samobile.net
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 14:53:42 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sex knowledge survey

Not having looked at the survey myself, I do think it's a good 
idea to
assess what blind people know about sex. This isn't to say that 
we know
squat because we're blind, or that we know more than most, but 
that we
may be at a disadvantage in our aquisition of this kind of 
knowledge
due to accessibility issues and social perceptions. LGBT youth 
have the
same kinds of issues but in a different guise. Now whether or not 
the
researchers are aware of the real reasons why a blind student may 
not
have appropriate sex ed is anyone's guess. They may, like many
researchers, be morbidly curious because they're specially 
surveying
the blind population. Even if that is true, someone from our 
research
camp could take whatever data is collected, expand on it, 
interpret it
appropriately, and put the research to good use that it may
appropriately serve to create the necessary education for our 
blind
youth that's equal to that of the sighted.

Respectfully Submitted

Original message:

 I fail to understand why individuals are so fascinated by the 
sex lives
 of blind
 people. We have sex like everyone else in the world, so screw 
your 131
 questions. This is an insult to me as a blind individual and I 
cannot for the
 life of me understand why it is impertinent for this to be 
discussed.
 Angela

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    2. assistive technology training (Jorge Paez)
    3. An Invitation to Participate in a Sex Knowledge Survey
       (Liz Bottner)
    4. Dealing with Science Labs (Brian Wooten)
    5. Re: Dealing with Science Labs (Jorge Paez)
    6. BDC ? interview (Jorge Paez)
    7. integration question (minh ha)
    8. Re: Dealing with Science Labs (Melissa )
    9. Fwd: items for sale (David Andrews)
   10. Re: An Invitation to Participate in a Sex Knowledge Survey
       (Jewel S.)

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 Message: 1
 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:06:36 -0500
 From: Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE
 Message-ID:

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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

 You can email me off list as well. But one quick thing, 
braille/large
 print supplements come with your voiced GRE.

 Cindy

 On 1/30/11, William ODonnell <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com> 
wrote:
 Please email me off-list so we can discuss this since I took the 
exam twice.
  In addition, I would like to find out what measures you are 
taking in
 planning for this exam.
 Thank you.

 --- On Sun, 1/30/11, Martha Harris <latinanewschic at gmail.com> 
wrote:

 From: Martha Harris <latinanewschic at gmail.com
 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date: Sunday, January 30, 2011, 10:04 PM
 Hi Everyone,
 For anyone who has taken this exam, what accomodations did
 you use. I prefer taking tests on the computer, but I think
 it would be helpful to have the quantitative part in
 Braille.

 Thanks,
 Martha
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 Message: 2
 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:11:58 -0500
 From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] assistive technology training
 Message-ID: <E0AD29FC-062E-4160-8E13-F262568CDD07 at mac.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII

 Hi all:
 Just wondering,
 how would you get certified to teach assistive technology?
 Any college courses you need to take?
 Or would you need to be certefied by each company: E.G., get 
seperate
 certifications from Freedom Scientific to teach JAWS, and from 
gMicro to teach
 Window Eyes, etc?

 Thanks,

 Jorge

 ------------------------------

 Message: 3
 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:20:08 -0600
 From: Liz Bottner <liziswhatis at hotmail.com
 To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] An Invitation to Participate in a Sex 
Knowledge
     Survey
 Message-ID: <SNT124-DS15CC62C41B2A90BE7F3AA7BAE20 at phx.gbl
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

 Hi all,

 I send the following on behalf of a colleague. See below.

 Liz

 We are conducting a study to develop the content of a test to 
determine the
 level of knowledge that young adults who are blind or severely 
visually
 disabled possess. Thus, with this e-mail message, you are being 
invited to
 participate if you are between the ages of 18 and 20 and if you 
are blind or
 severely visually impaired.  Please read the ramifications for 
participation
 in the study which are described below. After reading the 
information, if
 you wish to participate  in the study, please send Gaylen 
Kapperman an
 e-e-mail indicating that you are willing to participate. Include 
your name,
 age, whether you are male or female, and the approximate level 
of visual
 disability that you have. Include  your mailing address and your 
telephone
 number. If you agree to the stipulations as described below, 
indicate that
 in your e-mail.  Upon receipt of your e-mail, Professor 
Kapperman will
 forward your e-mail to one of his research assistants who will 
make contact
 with you to set up a  date and time when you can be interviewed.  
If you are
 male, he will choose a male research assistant and if you are 
female, he
 will choose a female research assistant. Upon completion of the 
interview,
 we will send you a ten-dollar bill as a token of our 
appreciation. Please
 read the description of the research study below.
 And please forward this e-mail to anyone whom you know who meets 
the
 requirements for participation and whom you think may be 
interested in being
 included in the study. We are trying to find as many individuals 
to
 participate as we can by "going viral" with this invitation.  
Thus, you can
 help us a lot by forwarding this on to others.

 Please read the following paragraphs carefully.
 With this e-mail message, we are requesting that you participate 
in a
 research study. We want to develop a test over sex knowledge 
which blind and
 visually impaired young adults can take. This is a rough draft. 
That is, we
 are not certain whether the 131true/false statements on the test 
are written
 properly. You can help us develop this test by taking it and 
giving us your
 answers.  Your answers will be completely anonymous. That is, no 
one except
 the researchers will know how you answered the statements. No 
one outside of
 the research team will see your answers.  We will ask you to 
indicate
 whether you are a  male or female , your age, and your visual 
acuity. We
 will record all of that information including your name and 
address, but
 please be assured that once we have analyzed the results, we 
intend to
 delete  all of the names of the participants so no one in the 
future will be
 able to tell who participated.

 The  interviewer will read each statement. Then, you are to  
tell the
 interviewer whether you think it is true or false.  We do not 
want you to
 guess. Thus, if you do not know, we want you to indicate that to 
the
 interviewer. Also, if  the interviewer  reads words that you do 
not
 understand, we want you to  tell the interviewer those words.  
When you are
 done, we will  send you a ten-dollar bill as a token of our 
appreciation for
 your willingness to  be interviewed.

 The purpose of this study is to develop the best test we can in 
order that
 we can use it in the future with other visually disabled 
adolescents and
 young adults. The problem is if the test is not very good, then 
we can't
 trust the results. Thus, you can help us by taking the test as a 
trial run.
 We will analyze all of the answers given by all of the  
participants to help
 us figure out which statements are good and which ones should be 
thrown out
 or rewritten.

 We want you to understand that you are not forced to  
participate in this
 study. If you choose not to participate, that is okay. Nothing 
bad will
 happen. If you start the  interview and then decide not to 
finish it, that
 is okay too. We want you to know that if you finish the 
interview, then we
 will give you a ten-dollar bill. If you decide not to  be 
interviewed or not
 to finish the interview, then you will not receive the money.

 If you have questions or concerns about this study, you are 
invited to
 contact Gaylen Kapperman, the director of the study. He can be 
reached by
 e-mail at gkapperman at niu.edu. Alternatively, you may reach him 
by telephone
 at 815-753-8453 at Northern  Illinois University.

 Please be sure to read the following statement.
 By my responding to this invitation by sending Gaylen Kapperman 
an e-mail
 indicating my willingness to participate, I attest to the fact 
that I have
 read the statement above and that I understand the  
ramifications of my
 participation in the study.

 Thank you very  much.
 Sincerely,
 Gaylen Kapperman
 Professor and Coordinator
 Visual Disabilities Program
 Department of Teaching and Learning
 Northern Illinois University
 DeKalb, IL 60115
 815-753-8453
 gkapperman at niu.edu

 email:

 <mailto:liziswhatis at hotmail.com> liziswhatis at hotmail.com

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 Message: 4
 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:17:55 -0600
 From: Brian Wooten <mbrianwooten at gmail.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] Dealing with Science Labs
 Message-ID:

<AANLkTi=PiOpwRjvUE0HdiOLZZqA5o_RiWNCkeq2gkhKb at mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

 Hello,

 I am taking Astronomy this semester and I would like to get some
 feedback, pointers and suggestions on how to deal with labs 
which are
 quite visual. For example, measuring with calipers and 
micrometers,
 interpreting spectroscopes, using Planetarium software, etc.

 I attend a small community college and they don't know how to 
deal
 with blind students. I am not sure what to ask of them.  Any
 suggestions?

 --
 Brian

 ------------------------------

 Message: 5
 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:20:53 -0500
 From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing with Science Labs
 Message-ID: <08173A7E-BD9D-4A46-A110-D1250897EEBE at mac.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII

 I don't know the specifics because I've never been in this 
particular Science
 field,
 but I'd say the most important thing is to ask for a reader.

 That way, if anything comes up that you MUST know, you can 
always ask them.

 On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Brian Wooten wrote:

 Hello,

 I am taking Astronomy this semester and I would like to get some
 feedback, pointers and suggestions on how to deal with labs 
which are
 quite visual. For example, measuring with calipers and 
micrometers,
 interpreting spectroscopes, using Planetarium software, etc.

 I attend a small community college and they don't know how to 
deal
 with blind students. I am not sure what to ask of them.  Any
 suggestions?

 --
 Brian

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 Message: 6
 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:45:17 -0500
 From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez at mac.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] BDC ? interview
 Message-ID: <575A050E-0569-4393-A9A8-BFB7F2650D76 at mac.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII

 Hi all:
 Just wondering if any of you participated in the Blind Driver 
Challenge Rally
 and launch last weekend.

 If so, would you be willing to do an interview this Saturday for 
my technology
 show?

 Please let me know.

 If you'd rather not do it in audio,
 we can also do it via email and I'll post the transcripts up on 
our blog.

 Jorge

 ------------------------------

 Message: 7
 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:47:59 -0500
 From: minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com
 To: blindmath at nfbnet.org
 Cc: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] integration question
 Message-ID:

<AANLkTikKwBSgWFg3LFQZTUZGiGAS94sqJ8jCWEyBw0zY at mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

 Hii,

 I?m taking AP Calculus and we?re doing the Rectangle 
Approximation
 Method and Trapezoidal Rule for integration at the moment. I was
 wondering if you guys have any suggestions or know of any 
programs to
 attack this problem. My classmates have graphing calculators and 
my
 teachers gave them a couple of programs to put in to their 
calculators
 so they could figure out problems without drawing the rectangles 
and
 trapezoids out by hand. It?s also a lot easier to figure out 
problems
 that require really small intervals. I?m currently drawing 
rectangles
 out on raised graph paper, but this takes an excessive amount of 
time
 and is not really efficient. I have the Audio Graphing 
Calculator, but
 I don?t think it supports the RAM. However, I don?t know all of 
AGC?s
 capabilities, so maybe it does?
 Also, we are doing sigma notation which looks extremely weird in
 Braille. Is there anyway to write it correctly in Microsoft word 
using
 Greek letters? Could the Braille note have a way to write this
 notation as well?

 Thanks so much for your help

 Minh

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 Message: 8
 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:05:16 -0600
 From: "Melissa " <jamandgab at izoom.net
 To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing with Science Labs
 Message-ID: <002201cbc19b$55c86840$015938c0$@izoom.net
 Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"

 Good evening.  I can help, a little anyway.  I am a junior at 
the U of
 Minnesota, majoring in nutrition and dietary science.  I have 
taken at least
 6 chemistry courses, 2 biology courses, including micro, anatomy 
and
 physiology which includes labs, and am currently in 
biochemistry.  Until
 biochem, all of my labs were at a local community college, at 
which I was
 the first blind person, and I graduated with honors.  So, that 
being said,
 the first thing to do is ask them to find you a laboratory 
assistant who has
 previously taken the course.  They can use work study to pay 
this person.
 With this assistant, you will need to give them explicit 
instructions as to
 what you want them to do, and they will perform the task for 
you.  For
 example, if you want them to calibrate the spectrometer to a 
specific
 setting, you instruct the to do so.  Then you would instruct 
them to prepare
 the sample just so, then read you the results, which you are 
responsible for
 recording and interpreting.  Having someone who has previously 
taken the
 course as your lab assistant will help because they will know 
what
 information is pertinent and what is not.
 I would also suggest forming a close and snuggly relationship 
with your
 professor and lab technician, who can be very valuable assets.
 I am more than happy to be of any assistance that I can, I am a 
science
 nerd.  Feel free to write me off list if you have further 
questions.  Please
 though, take full advantage of this opportunity, I love it when 
the visually
 impaired take courses that raise other's eyebrows.
 Warmly,
 Melissa
 Melissa Riley
 jamandgab at izoom.net
 riley365 at umn.edu

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
 Of Jorge Paez
 Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 2:21 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dealing with Science Labs

 I don't know the specifics because I've never been in this 
particular
 Science field, but I'd say the most important thing is to ask 
for a reader.

 That way, if anything comes up that you MUST know, you can 
always ask them.

 On Jan 31, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Brian Wooten wrote:

 Hello,

 I am taking Astronomy this semester and I would like to get some
 feedback, pointers and suggestions on how to deal with labs 
which are
 quite visual. For example, measuring with calipers and 
micrometers,
 interpreting spectroscopes, using Planetarium software, etc.

 I attend a small community college and they don't know how to 
deal
 with blind students. I am not sure what to ask of them.  Any
 suggestions?

 --
 Brian

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 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 20:08:15 -0600
 From: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com
 To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org,
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 Message: 10
 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 09:13:41 -0500
 From: "Jewel S." <herekittykat2 at gmail.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
     <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] An Invitation to Participate in a Sex 
Knowledge
     Survey
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 Wow, the age range is very restrictive. Do they think that the 
limited
 age range wwill promote a more valid survey? I have to question 
that.
 They should include younger and older students to get an idea of 
when
 students gain sexual knowledge. A survey of just 18-20 year-olds 
will
 not show when students gain that sexual knowledge....

 On 1/31/11, Liz Bottner <liziswhatis at hotmail.com> wrote:
 Hi all,

 I send the following on behalf of a colleague. See below.

 Liz