[nabs-l] Training centers

Fri Feb 11 01:04:32 UTC 2011

Antonio,
I thought that was the case. Other than graduation requirements, I sensed 
there was not a curriculum at the centers.  I suppose that's good for 
flexibility though so you can learn what you need/want to learn.
What did you do after you left Colorado Antonio?  Work?

You all also say you have free time after 5:00 when classes end at these nfb 
centers.
Do you get any homework? I thought you had it in braille or technology. 
Obviously by cooking, cleaning, shopping and more you practice the home 
management skills so you don't have to have homework in that.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Antonio M. Guimaraes Jr.
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 7:50 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers

Hello Kirt and all,

I realize that a training center is an excellent way for a blind person to 
gain skills and confidence. The apartment living allows any student to live 
however they so please, leaving it wide open on whether one will learn to 
plan and make meals, shedule their time, live well, with balance and 
respect--or not.

I attended the colorado center for about 3 months in 2003, and found a 
general lack of direction, standards, and curriculum.

These were reasons why I left, but let me turn the discussion elsewhere 
since this is not the focus of your question.

The life you lead as a center student is somewhat restricted by a social 
environment where all students live in the same apartment complex. You will 
make friends in this circle, hang out with your friends, ad end up spending 
a good amount of time with your blind friends in and out of center 
activities.

The trick is to try and get out and to know the people and places in the 
city outside a blind community. This is nearly inpossible in a place like 
Denver. There are tuns of blind people who have come and stayed in Denver as 
you might observe, and you might actually have to make an effort to expand 
your horizons while at CCB.

Friends of mine at the center have been able to go out and enjoy the city 
for what it's got. They observed the cosmopolitan flavor of the place, met 
sighted friends, and participated in activities outside center territory.

Your experience wiull be what you make of it. A center philosophy of 
training and one's drive to be integrated in work and community life may be 
just what the doctor ordered. You decide.

Antonio Guimaraes

On Feb 9, 2011, at 3:37 PM, Kirt Manwaring wrote:

> Dear Beth, Tara and all,
>  Is it hard to get involved with the community outside the center?
> Let me clarify the question, as it maybe doesn't make sense.
>  I know a lot of blind people (and please keep in mind I'm not
> calling anyone out or judging), who graduated from the training
> centers and now spend their lives mostly with other blind people.
> There's nothing wrong with that, it's just not for me.  I'm probably
> not going to marry a blind person or seriously date a blind
> person...simply because most of my friends aren't blind.  So, with
> that in mind, I'm going to want to find ways to get involved in the
> community at large, at whichever center I decide is right for me.
> So...do you think I'll be discouraged or austricized if I choose to
> spend lots of my free time with church groups, volunteer programs,
> other friends I might find outside the center, etc?  Because I think
> the worst thing that could happen to me is to get caught in a "blind
> bubble" where I learn all the skills I need, hang out with center
> people all the time, and miss out on whatever other opportunities I
> might find living away from home for such a long time.  Don't get me
> wrong, I hope to make friends at the center and have a great time.
> But I don't want that to be my whole life while I'm out on my own like
> this.  Thoughts, anyone?
>  Kirt
>
> On 2/9/11, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Training centers are a good way for blind people to learn the
>> skills, but the CCB staff being blind makes it easier.  Tara, I
>> agree with you on all points.  At a center in Daytona Beach,
>> Florida, there were nurses, old creeps,, and lots of rules such
>> as the lights out rule.  Sexes were separated by wing, and there
>> was no question about dating.  At CCB, blind people are treated
>> like people.
>> Beth
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Tara Annis <TAnnis at afb.net
>> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 14:38:09 -0500
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Training centers
>>
>> I attended the Colorado Center program between semesters at
>> college.    I attended the school for the blind and also took
>> some classes at a local association of the blind, so would like
>> to provide some insight.
>> I do agree that blind people can be successful and have above
>> average skills, even though they do  not go to the NFB center,
>> but this is really rare from my observations.
>> Before I went to CCB, I did not know that blind people could walk
>> long distances using a cane, as in m five or ten miles.  I
>> thought people could only walk routes that the O&M instructor had
>> taught them, and the route would be a mile or less.  I thought
>> blind  people needed sighted  guide for any new place they
>> visited, and couldn't use the cane to follow someone.
>> I didn't know that blind people could use a charcoal grill.
>> Some observations:
>> 1. There were no nurses at CCB that had control of the medication
>> you took.  If you are supposed to be living in the real world,
>> why have someone keep track of your meds?
>>
>> 2. There were no lights out at CCB.  As long as you showed up to
>> class on time, who cares what you do at night, as long as you
>> aren't breaking the law.  You're adults, so you should be treated
>> like them.
>> Go to bed when you feel like it.
>>
>> 3. There was no hassle at CCB when you wanted to go for lunch.
>> You just  walked out the door.  You didn't need to make sure
>> people had a sighted guide before beginning.  You didn't need to
>> have a sighted person to come along to help out.
>>
>>
>> 4. Instructors were blind at CCB, and not ashamed of it. At other
>> training centers, the instructors would never be caught using a
>> cane or reading braille.  Sighted people wore dark glasses when
>> traveling with blind people, so the public couldn't look into
>> their eyes.  They did  not like being stared at by the  public.
>> Yet, they never told blind people this fact.
>>
>> 5. Colorado staff did not hide the fact that the public can
>> sometimes be cruel, and many do not understand blindness.  I have
>> witnessed at  other centers staff outright lying to blind people
>> telling them that no one can tell they are blind and that they
>> don't need a cane, since they get around  so well.  Yet, the
>> people they tell this to have disfigured eyes, and run into
>> obstacles.  The instructors do not want the blind person to feel
>> bad so that is why they make up these lies.
>>
>>
>> 6. I hate how at other centers they always assume a blind person
>> has low self  esteem, and needs counseling.
>> CCB  knew that some of their students are at an intermediate
>> level, already past the adjustment phase of blidnness, and just
>> came to CCB for advanced skills training.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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