[nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 52, Issue 28

Sun Feb 13 22:30:42 UTC 2011

Joe,

Well, you're an exception.  We should call you Super Blind Man, or
something!  LOL

I have more trouble with sound when I cover my head during rain.  Not
sure why, but in the winter, it is not so much a problem.  I use one of
those thermal headbands-- it coordinates with my coat!  *smile*

My mother-in-law has also mentioned these things you wear over your
shoes to help with ice.  I think you can find them at places like Bass
Pro shop, but probably Wal-mart too.

To smush snow down, you could go out and make snow angels too.  Then you
have flattened snow, and a decorative lawn!  *smile*

Bridgit

Message: 1
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 11:32:07 -0500
From: "Joe Orozco" <jsorozco at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Winter weather travel
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Bridgit,

Speak for yourself lady.  When the sun goes down and my black cape comes
out, I feel pretty damn heroic. LOL

Seriously though, people should consider buying those shoes with little
spikes on the soles.  I got a pair for Christmas a few years ago.  I
thought they were a bit goofy, but I probably look even sillier trying
to slowly walk through the ice on regular shoes.  I too have a worry
about muffling the sound by wearing a hat, but earmuffs work pretty well
at keeping your ears warm and the sound unfiltered.  These too, I
thought, didn't make me look very manly-like, but I think they have
their uses.

Someone a few years ago recommended hanging a luggage locator from your
porch to better find your house in the midst of the snow.  If you shovel
your snow like a good little citizen, this may not be necessary, but
then again, if the snow is constantly falling and shoveling is almost
pointless, it's an amusing little idea worth mulling over.  I say
"almost" because during last year's blizzard here in the District, we
quickly learned it would have been a lot easier to stay on top of the
snow and prevent the few feet of ice we had to contend with afterward.

On the subject of snow, I think it's a great opportunity to help your
neighbors shovel their sidewalks and driveways.  What better education
opportunity than to show you can pitch in to help others?  It's one of
those things for which no sight is needed to shovel and pile up.

Best,

Joe

"Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their
sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all."--Sam
Ewing 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridgit Pollpeter
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 2:45 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Winter weather travel

Marsha,

First, no one is "super" anything-- that goes for blind people too.
True, some may understand cardinal directions better, and some have an
inate ability to quickly navigate new surroundings, but we are human--
not cookie-cutter versions of one another.

If anyone caused you-- or anyone else-- to feel inferior because of
struggling in nasty, winter conditions, I would assume said person has
never independently traveled in such conditions.

Sighted and blind, we all lose our direction, and we all can become
disoriented.  The true test of good skills is when you refuse to give up
and keep truckin'.

We should work on using any skills and methods available to us.  We
should live as independently as we can-- and by this, I mean pursuing
our goals efficiently, living by our own terms and not what others
direct, and setting a positive example as a blind person, and as an
individual in general.  We strengthen our own lives as well as those
around us when following this path.

This does not mean, however, that you will not make mistakes or lose
focus at times.  Training at an NFB center, or other similar center,
does not ensure a life devoid of mistakes or challenges.  What it does
ensure is that you will be armored with the proper tools, methods,
attitudes and support to help you navigate challenges.

You mentioned an hearing impairment-- this, of course, adds another
dimension to your "skills" used for dealing with weather related issues
when traveling.  It does not mean it is impossible, but it certainly
presents a challenge, and one, I might add, you seem to have overcome.

I have mild neuropathy so Braille is not always efficient for me.  I
have spent the last 8 years being embarrassed by this, but I realized it
is out of my control.  Others can think what they want about the lack of
my Braille reading; I know the truth.  I know Braille, and I use it as
often as I can.

We all learn at different paces, and we all have strengths as well as
flaws.  Anyone implying that difficulty when traversing city streets
during winter,, or other unfriendly weather, is due to a lack of ability
with mobility skills, has their own issues to deal with.

These mindsets-- attitudes-- do not fill people with a desire to attend
a training center, or join the Federation.  They simply turn people off,
and give us rational, open-minded people, a bad name.

Bridgit

Message: 28
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 20:15:52 -0500
From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Winter Weather Travel
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Great question. Last year I asked this same question, as I am new to the
northeast. And the response I got was that it must be something I am
doing wrong with my mobility. Because as a NFB person, who has just the
best mobility and orientation, I should NEVER get lost, nor never be
disorientated, and it does not matter that there was 3 or 4 feet of snow
on the ground. I should always be able to find my way. *being very
sarcastic
here* and that "if" I were getting lost, maybe I should go to a training
center, where I could get better skills. My point was I was laughed at
because I was getting lost in the snow, the ice, and the high winds. I
guess it should not matter, that I have additional disabilities, like a
hearing loss, and balance issues. Its my fault, and not the snow. I am
sorry guys, it was not my fault all my landmarks were covered up. Now
some of you might say, going to a center is important here, but I do not
fall into needing to go to a center category. I am NOT a super blind
person, nor ever will be. 

Great question. But I also find it funny how so many people are so quick
to judge others who are blind, for skills or things they can't do so
well. I will be happy to see suggestions and little tips and tricks
others have to say about this. 

This was certainly not directed at anyone. Just sayin. LOL

Marsha 

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 09:32:36 -0800 (PST)
From: William ODonnell <william.odonnell1 at yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] lions world
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Jerry, Jerry, Jerry...... Maybe we will find out on da next Morie...
LMAO...

--- On Sat, 2/12/11, Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net>
wrote:

> From: Brian Hatgelakas <brian.hatgelakas at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] lions world
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Saturday, February 12, 2011, 7:27 PM
> Some people do this if their spouse
> is away for a long period I hope she keeps her faithfulness
> to you while you are away!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Kennedy" <jkenn337 at gmail.com>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 6:29 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] lions world
> 
> 
> > hi brian,
> > 
> > in reply to what would I do if my wife met a sighted
> person in Reading or philadelphia to get her needs met, what would I 
> do? First I would forgive her for committing adultry against me. 
> Second I would point out to both her and the person she was with that 
> they are committing adultry by doing this which is a mortal sin, 
> contrary to the will of God. I would next encourage her to get out of 
> that relationship as soon as possible. I would forgive her, make
> up and move on and stay married to her. If she would do that
> to me I would not, I repeat not, divorce her. I would
> recommend marriage counseling, forgive forget stay married
> and move on. Besides all the research shows that divorce is
> bad for children. My priority is to keep my family together.
> If she makes a mistake she makes a mistake. I would dialog
> with her to find out why she did such a thing. Most people
> would divorce their wives, I would not. I don't find
> cheating on one's spouse to be a sufficient reason for
> divorce.
> > 
> > Josh
> > 
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:33:12 -0500
From: "Marsha Drenth" <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
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	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Winter Weather Travel
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Ashly, I do try to stay orientated. At least now I know am not the only
one.

Marsha 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of bookwormahb at earthlink.net
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 9:21 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Winter Weather Travel

Marsha,
When landmarks are covered its hard.
Just do the best you can.  In snow, the snow is heavier on grass. I use
that

edge as a shoreline.
I can't hear echos as well in the wind and snow.  I have vision too so
look 
for buildings; but also listen for other cues like opening doors or a
heat 
vent noise.
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Marsha Drenth
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 8:15 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Winter Weather Travel

Great question. Last year I asked this same question, as I am new to the
northeast. And the response I got was that it must be something I am
doing wrong with my mobility. Because as a NFB person, who has just the
best mobility and orientation, I should NEVER get lost, nor never be
disorientated, and it does not matter that there was 3 or 4 feet of snow
on the ground. I should always be able to find my way. *being very
sarcastic
here* and that "if" I were getting lost, maybe I should go to a training
center, where I could get better skills. My point was I was laughed at
because I was getting lost in the snow, the ice, and the high winds. I
guess it should not matter, that I have additional disabilities, like a
hearing loss, and balance issues. Its my fault, and not the snow. I am
sorry guys, it was not my fault all my landmarks were covered up. Now
some of you might say, going to a center is important here, but I do not
fall into needing to go to a center category. I am NOT a super blind
person, nor ever will be.

Great question. But I also find it funny how so many people are so quick
to judge others who are blind, for skills or things they can't do so
well. I will be happy to see suggestions and little tips and tricks
others have to say about this.

This was certainly not directed at anyone. Just sayin. LOL

Marsha

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Arielle Silverman
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:51 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Winter Weather Travel

Hi all,

I'm sure many of you are experiencing the effects of our unusually cold
and snowy winter this year, which can pose unique challenges for cane
and guide dog travel. Have you discovered any tricks you have found
helpful for staying oriented while walking in snow, ice, and/or high
winds?

Arielle

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